Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBS Costin's new.
Speaker 2: Radio Welcome back, everybody. There was a very ugly incident
Speaker 2: that took place in Newton on Washington Street yesterday evening.
Speaker 2: Most of the well, I think probably I haven't watched
Speaker 2: all the Boston television news stations, but I would say
Speaker 2: that most of the Boston television news stations are covered this.
Speaker 2: It occurred last night, and apparently there was a relatively
Speaker 2: small group of pro Israel demonstrators who were doing what
Speaker 2: I would call a standout, meaning there they're standing on
Speaker 2: a on a sidewalk with an Israeli flag. Maybe there
Speaker 2: was some signs. I'm not sure, but I have the
Speaker 2: the Globe article here, and so just just so that
Speaker 2: you realize that I'm I don't make things up. This
Speaker 2: was issue today late this afternoon piece by Dan McDonald
Speaker 2: hit some others Nick Stoika and is He Buyer's Globe
Speaker 2: staff and Globe correspondent. And so I'm relying upon the
Speaker 2: TV news stations, but I'd like to hear from some
Speaker 2: of you as to what you think about this, because
Speaker 2: this is a pretty weird story. So these folks are
Speaker 2: doing a standout, they have every right to be on
Speaker 2: a public street, sidewalk, public sidewalk, waving at cars or whatever.
Speaker 2: We see it all the time if you drive the Cape,
Speaker 2: you see people on standouts on bridges. It's what democracy
Speaker 2: is all about. It's the First Amendment. All of us
Speaker 2: have a right to free speech. We have the right
Speaker 2: to peacefully assemble. So these folks are concerned about the
Speaker 2: fate of the hostages, they're concerned about the state of Israel.
Speaker 2: Clearly amongst them, there may be people who are concerned
Speaker 2: about the deaths of innocent people in Gaza, but there
Speaker 2: with Israeli flags and all of a sudden, According to
Speaker 2: the TV reports that I saw an individual looked like
Speaker 2: a younger guy. Most of the folks who seemed to
Speaker 2: be in the standout were, you know, middle aged or older. Okay,
Speaker 2: so this younger guy apparently engaged in some sort of
Speaker 2: shouting match across Washing Street. Now, Washington Street is a
Speaker 2: pretty busy street if you're familiar with Newton, it's a
Speaker 2: main street. So at some point I looked at video
Speaker 2: on TV of this guy running across the street. He
Speaker 2: looks as he comes across the street. I have no
Speaker 2: idea how big he was. Because there was nothing to
Speaker 2: compare him. But he looks like he has the intensity
Speaker 2: of an NFL fullback, if you've seen the video, comes
Speaker 2: running across the street and apparently jumps one of the individuals.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not a witness, but it appears to
Speaker 2: me that he ends up on the ground in a
Speaker 2: wrestling match with this individual. Now I don't know what
Speaker 2: words were exchange. I wasn't there, And as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I saw the video at noontime. They had
Speaker 2: taken the audio out, which maybe there were too many
Speaker 2: bad words and they damn a chance to bleep it.
Speaker 2: So this guy comes running across the street. He obviously
Speaker 2: is not happy. He's not coming across the street to
Speaker 2: join the demonstration, the pro Israel demonstration. And next thing,
Speaker 2: he is in a brawl. There were again that looked
Speaker 2: like they might have been five or six people. I
Speaker 2: can't tell you how many in total there were. Maybe
Speaker 2: some of you were there and you could help me out.
Speaker 2: But he initiates the brawl for a couple of reasons. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know why he did it, but he's on
Speaker 2: one side of the street. He goes across the street.
Speaker 2: No one come from the Israeli group or from the
Speaker 2: the pro Israeli group. The group with the Israeli flags
Speaker 2: goes and approaches him. He comes racing across the street
Speaker 2: again looking like an NFL running back head down, plows
Speaker 2: into one or two of the people, ends up on
Speaker 2: the ground, and there's a brawl, and apparently there is
Speaker 2: a gun that discharges, and he's wounded, and apparently is
Speaker 2: pretty seriously wounded. I do not know that what his
Speaker 2: medical condition is, but at least as of tonight, he
Speaker 2: was still alive, although it was its serious condition. According
Speaker 2: to The Globe, a small group. This was a six
Speaker 2: point forty last night. A small group of pro Israeli
Speaker 2: demonstrators run one side of the street when an individual
Speaker 2: apparently completely randomly walking down the other side of the street,
Speaker 2: shouted at across the street at the demonstrators. This is
Speaker 2: according to Middlesex District Attorney Mary and Ryan told reporters
Speaker 2: Thursday night. Words were exchanged back and forth across the streets.
Speaker 2: She said at a briefing at Newton Police headquarters. At
Speaker 2: some point the man not involved in the protest cross
Speaker 2: the street. Well, he did more than across the street.
Speaker 2: He ran across the street and he jumped on one
Speaker 2: of the demonstrators. According to the district attorney, a scuffle ensued,
Speaker 2: during which the person was shot by a member of
Speaker 2: the demonstrators group. A video or part of the incident
Speaker 2: posted on social media showed a man shouting across the
Speaker 2: street at a small group of pro Israel demonstrators, some
Speaker 2: of whom had Israeli flags. He accused the demonstrators of
Speaker 2: defending genocide. You're sick, he told them. One of the
Speaker 2: demonstrators reported that he was stupid, and this is pretty
Speaker 2: much what the TV stations reported today as well. Then
Speaker 2: all help broke loose. The man ran across the street
Speaker 2: tackled one of the demonstrators. Both men went to the ground.
Speaker 2: The other demonstrators stomped on the face and neck of
Speaker 2: the man who had rushed across the street. In the video,
Speaker 2: an on looker could be heard instructing someone else call
Speaker 2: the police, while the woman screamed as men wrestled on
Speaker 2: the ground. It was chaos. Someone on the video can
Speaker 2: be heard saying, grab my pistol. The video does not
Speaker 2: show the actual shooting. Authority said the man who was
Speaker 2: shot suffered life threatening injuries and was being treated at
Speaker 2: a local hospital. He has not been identified so amen.
Speaker 2: One of the demonstrators was arrested and he was in
Speaker 2: court today. His name is his last name is Hayes.
Speaker 2: Let me make sure that I have His name is
Speaker 2: Scott Hayes. He's not from Newton. He is from framing him.
Speaker 2: He faces charges of assault and battery with a dangerous
Speaker 2: weapon and violation of a constitutional right causing injury. Well,
Speaker 2: that charges to me a little question. Well, because I
Speaker 2: don't know what constitutional right the man who came running
Speaker 2: across the street to attack had. I think that that
Speaker 2: is a bad charge and not guilty. Plea was entered
Speaker 2: in his behalf bail set at five thousand dollars, and
Speaker 2: Hayes was ordered to stay away from the alleged victim
Speaker 2: and the city of Newton, and to abide by a
Speaker 2: curfew from seven pm at night obviously to six a m.
Speaker 2: Of the morning. Newton Police responded at six forty Thursday
Speaker 2: to this report of a disturbance at Washington and Harvard Streets,
Speaker 2: not far from the Newtonville Commuter rail stop. So this individual,
Speaker 2: Scott Hayes, he's forty seven years old. As I looked
Speaker 2: at the video of him leaving the court tonight, and
Speaker 2: I looked at the video that was shown on the
Speaker 2: scuffle and on the ground, it would appear to me
Speaker 2: that Hayes is the person that the demonstrator came across
Speaker 2: the street to attack. Now, I'm sad that anyone gets shot.
Speaker 2: I'm sad that anyone got shot, but it seems to
Speaker 2: me that the person who precipitated this, ironically is the victim.
Speaker 2: I mean, is the gun shot victim. Now, all of
Speaker 2: this unfolds against the backdrop of what is going on
Speaker 2: in Israel, and what is going on in Gossip, and
Speaker 2: what is going on in the West Bank, and what
Speaker 2: is going on in the Philadelphia Corridor, and what is
Speaker 2: going on throughout the Middle East. But the question is
Speaker 2: why is that that we as Americans can't have our
Speaker 2: rights to demonstrate peacefully as the Israeli, as the pro
Speaker 2: Israel demonstrators were demonstrating peacefully without some lunkhead running across
Speaker 2: the street and attacking them. Now, again, not happy that
Speaker 2: the man was shot, but he put himself in that situation.
Speaker 2: I assume had no idea that someone in the group
Speaker 2: had a gun. But he suffered a horrific consequence. And
Speaker 2: my suspicion is that he's going to be charged. He
Speaker 2: was the one who came across the street. He's the
Speaker 2: one who jumped mister what appeared to me to be
Speaker 2: mister Hayes. He should be charged, and I suspect he
Speaker 2: will be charged with assault, battery at a minimum, at
Speaker 2: a minimum, as well as violating the First Amendment rights
Speaker 2: of the pro Israel demonstrators. So I hope many of
Speaker 2: you have seen the story, have heard of the story.
Speaker 2: It is always a dangerous practice for a talk show
Speaker 2: host to talk about the story that is new. It
Speaker 2: was shocking when I watched it at noon, and it
Speaker 2: was equally shocking when I watched it tonight at six o'clock.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to talk about it. What is the
Speaker 2: lesson to be learned here? I think it's pretty obvious
Speaker 2: what the lesson to be learned here, and that is
Speaker 2: live and let live or live and let others demonstrate
Speaker 2: as long as they're demonstrating peacefully. Six seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty Those are the two numbers that will get you
Speaker 2: on the air. Give us a call. Whatever your point
Speaker 2: of view on this is there's a lot of facts
Speaker 2: that haven't come out. Apparently tonight, Channel five, I believe,
Speaker 2: was reporting that the gun was legally registered as not
Speaker 2: as if this guy was carrying a gun that he
Speaker 2: didn't have a right to carry. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's going to diminish that's obviously the facts of the
Speaker 2: case are going to be really important. The defense lawyers
Speaker 2: are going to have to sort this out. This is
Speaker 2: a story that's that we're going to follow for some time,
Speaker 2: no doubt. But it just seems to me that if
Speaker 2: the guy had stayed on the other side of the street,
Speaker 2: he would not in the hospital tonight, the man who
Speaker 2: allegedly shot him would not be facing some serious charges.
Speaker 2: A couple of my listeners tonight called and said, I
Speaker 2: hope you'll be covering this story, this incident. Well, I
Speaker 2: am six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine three ten thirty your reaction to it
Speaker 2: coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All Right, well, the phone responsor is not overwhelming, to
Speaker 2: be really honest with you, So I'm going to assume
Speaker 2: most people haven't heard of the story, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to phrase the story as best I can to see
Speaker 2: what you think. I think all of you have heard
Speaker 2: me read the facts of the story. That a man
Speaker 2: is in very serious condition tonight at a local hospital
Speaker 2: suffering from life threatening injuries. He was in Newton last
Speaker 2: night across Washington Street, which is a thoroughfare. It's not
Speaker 2: a small road, okay, and he was exchanging insults with
Speaker 2: someone on the other side. There were a group of people,
Speaker 2: small group of people with a couple of is Israeli flags,
Speaker 2: and they were demonstrating on behalf of Israel and on
Speaker 2: behalf of the hostages. So this gentleman, we do not
Speaker 2: have his name or what his affiliation is with any organization.
Speaker 2: If so, we don't even know. He could have just
Speaker 2: been an individual walking down the street, but he made
Speaker 2: the decision to run across the street, charge at the
Speaker 2: demonstrators and tackle one of the demonstrators. And apparently the
Speaker 2: guy that he tackled allegedly had a legitimate firearm, a
Speaker 2: right to carry. Scott Hayes forty seven years old, and
Speaker 2: this individual was shot and as they say, unknown his name.
Speaker 2: He has been Oh he suffered some pretty serious injury.
Speaker 2: So let me if I can play some sound for you.
Speaker 2: This is the district attorney, Middlesex County District Attorney maryon Ryan.
Speaker 2: She's identifying the shooter, not the victim, or not the
Speaker 2: man who was shot. The shooter Cut fifty nine ROB.
Speaker 3: That individual whose name is Scott Hayes, aged forty seven,
Speaker 3: from framing him is under arrest. He right now is
Speaker 3: charged with as salt and battery with a dangerous weapon,
Speaker 3: and violation of a constitutional right causing injury. Now, it's
Speaker 3: our understanding that that was his gun and that he
Speaker 3: legally possessed that gun.
Speaker 2: So that's why is he charged with violating someone's constitutional right.
Speaker 2: If that person came over and attacked him, that would
Speaker 2: be my first question. The district attorney does acknowledge in
Speaker 2: cut number sixty ROB, Cut number sixty that the other
Speaker 2: individual initiated the assault, initiated the physical contact Cut sixty ROB.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, that individual came very rapidly across the street and
Speaker 3: tackled one of the demonstrators.
Speaker 4: There was a scuffle that.
Speaker 3: Was going on on the street, and at some point
Speaker 3: mister Hayes used a gun and fired a shot. That
Speaker 3: struck the individual who had come across the street.
Speaker 2: Allegedly Madam district attorney allegedly used a gun. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: be let's be fair and impartial. The Mayor of Newton,
Speaker 2: ruth An Fuller, I think very appropriately, expressed some gratitude
Speaker 2: that the situation wasn't worse. Cut sixty one please, Rob.
Speaker 5: I am very grateful to a Chief George McMains and
Speaker 5: the Newton Police, as well as to the Newton Fire
Speaker 5: and our ambulance service Coastal Ambulance, who were also immediately
Speaker 5: on scene.
Speaker 2: In an earlier bite which I have here, I want
Speaker 2: to play for you, the district attorney pretty clearly who
Speaker 2: indicated who initiated the assault. So again, oftentimes charges can
Speaker 2: be dropped, they can be minimized, they can be increased.
Speaker 2: But as of this moment, Scott Hayes is facing charge
Speaker 2: of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and a
Speaker 2: violation of a constitutional right. I assume of the man
Speaker 2: who he allegedly shot. This is cut number fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Rob again, d a Ryan.
Speaker 3: Words were exchanged back and forth. That individual, who was
Speaker 3: not part of the group, at some point began crossing
Speaker 3: the street, ultimately came across and jumped upon one of
Speaker 3: the demonstrators. A scuffle ensued. During that scuffle, the individual
Speaker 3: who had come across the street was shot. The individual
Speaker 3: who came across the street has sustained life threatening injuries
Speaker 3: and is being treated at a local hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, I saw the video of this guy
Speaker 2: coming across the street. I mean, he looked like a
Speaker 2: running back for the Patriots. He was intent on coming
Speaker 2: over there. He wasn't coming over to chat with someone.
Speaker 2: He was coming over to, in my opinion, confront and
Speaker 2: apparently he just came over and jumped. Wbz's Penny commit Actually,
Speaker 2: I saw her story, which was very well done today
Speaker 2: by the way. She young reporter at WBZTV in Boston,
Speaker 2: and this is her reported new time cut fifty six.
Speaker 6: Rob It all started yesterday on Washington Street, the Middle
Speaker 6: Sexdya says a small group of pro Israel protesters were
Speaker 6: holding a peaceful demonstration. Then a seemingly random man confronted
Speaker 6: the group, yelling from across the street.
Speaker 4: They were saying that you've killed two hundred thousand people,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, repeating lies. And honestly, the story
Speaker 4: here should be blaming the perpetrator of those lies.
Speaker 6: Police say the man then tackled one of the protesters.
Speaker 6: A scuffle ensued before police say the man who charged
Speaker 6: at the group was shot and seriously hurt. Investigators believe
Speaker 6: forty seven year old Scott Hayes of Framingham pulled the trigger.
Speaker 2: So that was report of Penny commits report this morning,
Speaker 2: which has stood the test of time. She's right on
Speaker 2: the money, very accurate. And then we have one final report,
Speaker 2: part of a report that she filed, and then we'll
Speaker 2: go to phone calls cut fifty seven.
Speaker 6: Hay's had dozens of supporters inside the courtroom today, including
Speaker 6: friend and fellow Jewish community member Elite Schultz, who believes
Speaker 6: yesterday's incident was ignited by anti Semitism.
Speaker 4: The notion that I have to be afraid stand on
Speaker 4: a street corner with an Israeli flag or stand next
Speaker 4: to somebody with an Israeli flag, is you know, terrifying.
Speaker 6: The DA said that it's too soon to know if
Speaker 6: the person that charged at that protest was acting because
Speaker 6: they were anti Israel, but regardless, the Newton Police says
Speaker 6: that today there will be extra officers at all places
Speaker 6: of worship.
Speaker 2: And Jenny five was reporting tonight that there was a
Speaker 2: stepped up security at Jewish houses of worship, temples and
Speaker 2: synagogues on this obviously Sabbath, the evening before the Sabbath
Speaker 2: Friday night, which is a holy night of too many
Speaker 2: members of the Jewish community. So we're gonna do We're
Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break. I'm going to invite you
Speaker 2: to call. The only lines that are left open are
Speaker 2: the six, one, seven, nine three line. Again, I watched
Speaker 2: this today. I'm not happy that someone got shot at all. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking any joy or solace in the fact
Speaker 2: that someone got shot. But I can tell you if
Speaker 2: this victim had stayed on the other side of the street,
Speaker 2: continued to engage in his conversation or his insults back
Speaker 2: and forth, he wouldn't have been shot. If it was
Speaker 2: he that chose to run aro and not stroll across,
Speaker 2: not walk across, but run across the street looking like
Speaker 2: a full back for the Patriots, and jumped an individual
Speaker 2: who I guess apparently had a legal permit for a gun.
Speaker 2: I think that he has a potential self defense claim.
Speaker 2: I don't know the circumstances that gun might have gone
Speaker 2: off accidentally. I don't know if he took the gun
Speaker 2: and pulled the trigger or there was a scuffle on
Speaker 2: the ground. So we'll leave that to court. But the
Speaker 2: bottom line is, why do you have why do you
Speaker 2: have to go after somebody physically and try to interrupt
Speaker 2: their demonstration just because you disagree with them? Is that
Speaker 2: where we are in this country? I hope to God
Speaker 2: not Back on nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: By the way, some late word on this story. Scott Susa,
Speaker 2: who's a reporter for The Patch, which is the local
Speaker 2: newspaper that works in many communities, said does great work.
Speaker 2: By the way, Middlesex DA maryon Ye Mary and Ryan
Speaker 2: said Friday afternoon that the men who charged pro Israeli
Speaker 2: demonstrators will be charged with assault and battery. Well, that's true.
Speaker 2: He's a thirty one year old Newton man who was
Speaker 2: shot when he charged and tackled a framing him man
Speaker 2: and a protest demonstration on Washington Street. Is now expected
Speaker 2: to survive his gunshot wound. He will also be charged
Speaker 2: with assault and battery. Middlesex County District Attorney Mary Maryon.
Speaker 2: Ryan said Friday afternoon that quote. As a result of
Speaker 2: the continuing investigation into this matter, Newton Police of Friday
Speaker 2: applied for a criminal complaint against the man, who was
Speaker 2: not identified by name. Let's get his name out there, okay,
Speaker 2: Ryan said, Massachusetts state law requires a summons be issued.
Speaker 2: An assault and battery that does not occur in the
Speaker 2: presence of a police officer is not arrestable. It's not
Speaker 2: an arrestable offense. Well, assault batteries of the dangerous weapon
Speaker 2: I guess is, Ryan said, masters requires that a summons
Speaker 2: be issued the person charges that entitled to a hearing
Speaker 2: people with the clerk magistrate to determine whether probable cause exists.
Speaker 2: The Newton man's injuries described as light threatening on Thursday night,
Speaker 2: but Ryan said on Friday he has now expected to
Speaker 2: survive his injuries. So he is a Newton man thirty
Speaker 2: one years old, but not identified as yet by the authorities.
Speaker 2: So the plot dickens. Let's go to the phone, so
Speaker 2: we go to Chris up In Jempson. Chris, appreciate your patience,
Speaker 2: Thanks for holding on your thoughts on what we're talking about.
Speaker 7: Man, I just can't believe what's going on.
Speaker 8: What Randy King said anything in the nineties.
Speaker 7: Why can we get along the goal?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, a great, a great philosopher, Rodney King.
Speaker 2: I mean it's true, it's true. Why did this guy
Speaker 2: have to run across the street in charge of charge
Speaker 2: at and attack an individual who was with it was
Speaker 2: a small group of people. He was going to go
Speaker 2: over there and just start a fight. He got the worst.
Speaker 7: Exactly.
Speaker 8: Now you mentioned assault and barry.
Speaker 7: They didn't. The prison didn't do the battery, right.
Speaker 2: No, but assault and battery, let me explain to you
Speaker 2: what it means. Is assault is when you put someone
Speaker 2: in fear of being touched. So if I come up
Speaker 2: to you in the street and I say, Chris, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna knock your head off. I really don't like it,
Speaker 2: even though I never touch you physically and scare you,
Speaker 2: that's called assault. Okay. Assault and battery is involved when
Speaker 2: I come up to you and I and I and
Speaker 2: I threaten you and then I touch you. A battery
Speaker 2: in the law is what's called an unwonted touching. Now,
Speaker 2: let's assume that you're walking down the street and I
Speaker 2: bump into we bump into each other. Okay, I bump
Speaker 2: into you, You bump into me. What happens? I say,
Speaker 2: oh gee, I'm sorry. You said to me, Oh, excuse me,
Speaker 2: my fault. And we walk in a different directions. But
Speaker 2: in this situation, this guy runs across the street. Obviously
Speaker 2: at that point the demonstrators are thinking this, this guy
Speaker 2: is going to jump us. He does jump them. So
Speaker 2: that's assaulted battery.
Speaker 7: Okay, so listen does not mean used in a battery.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's got nothing to do with a battery,
Speaker 2: either either a battery ram or a battery that you
Speaker 2: put in your your flashlight. No, no, it's exactly. A
Speaker 2: battery is called a battery in the law. Is what's
Speaker 2: called an unwanted touching and assault and battery when you
Speaker 2: put someone in apprehension in fear of being touched, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, in an unwonted way, and then they follow through.
Speaker 2: And most of the time it is when someone you know,
Speaker 2: punches somebody or jumps on him. Now, the other individual,
Speaker 2: Scott Hayes, he's being sure charged with assault and battery
Speaker 2: with a dangerous weapon to wit a gun. There were
Speaker 2: some people there who also looked like they were kicking
Speaker 2: this guy in the head. They could be charged pretty
Speaker 2: easily with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon to win.
Speaker 2: A shod foot a lot of assault and case.
Speaker 7: Which is their foot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's called the shod foot meaning a foot a
Speaker 2: shoe on it? If you kick someone, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: if you kick someone with your foot and it's your
Speaker 2: bare foot, Uh, it's a it has to be a
Speaker 2: shod foot, meaning it has to have a shoe on it,
Speaker 2: because that obviously you're going to get a lot going
Speaker 2: to get hurt a lot more if someone's wearing a foot,
Speaker 2: a shoe or a boot than you are if they
Speaker 2: just kick with kick in the head with their foot.
Speaker 2: All right, christ this was a good little law school
Speaker 2: class for us.
Speaker 9: I just went to the news, Thank you, and I.
Speaker 2: Learned something new every night, Chris. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I know something, Sometimes I learned Something's as simple
Speaker 2: as that. I really appreciate your calls and your friendship,
Speaker 2: my friend. Talk to you soon. Have a great All right,
Speaker 2: let me go to Justin in Marlborough. Hi, Justin, welcome back,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 8: Hi? Thank you for taking my call. I'm thinking that
Speaker 8: your news report might be prerecorded.
Speaker 2: I think you absolutely right. Because as I I understand it,
Speaker 2: the state Police. Are you referring to the state police recruit?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 8: Is that awful news?
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently he passed away.
Speaker 8: But uh, yes, I just wanted to I didn't know
Speaker 8: if you heard that on the newscas.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you caught it as well. Some of our
Speaker 2: news reports at night are prerecorded and justin you're a
Speaker 2: you're a keen listener of Nightside and I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you loyalty. What do you think about this story from yesterday?
Speaker 2: What's what's your thought on this?
Speaker 8: They're awful, many awful things, but this the sad thing
Speaker 8: especially is that there's a Malejuana store right at that corner,
Speaker 8: and there's always been for almost for a couple of years.
Speaker 8: Whatever I drive by that I work in that area,
Speaker 8: there's always a police officer there. But I guess they
Speaker 8: may have stopped that. There used to always be a
Speaker 8: police officer right outside the Mayl Juanna store that's right
Speaker 8: where that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whether or not a h and
Speaker 2: I they I don't know why they were demonstrating there
Speaker 2: as opposed to a block closer to the courthouse or
Speaker 2: another block Washington street's along street, and I don't think
Speaker 2: it had anything to do with the marijuana store. And
Speaker 2: I do think you're right that I remember when marijuana
Speaker 2: stores first opened a couple of years ago. I mean people,
Speaker 2: there were lines of people outside these stores, and the
Speaker 2: police were there to keep order me primarily to keep people,
Speaker 2: you know, not jumping the line. And now maybe as
Speaker 2: the novelty of legalized marijuana at different times during the
Speaker 2: day has.
Speaker 8: Worn off, maybe that makes sense. Yeah, I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, if the police officers there, he might have
Speaker 2: interrupted it. The question is the guy ran across the street.
Speaker 2: I mean, if he hadn't run across the street, and would.
Speaker 8: Yeah with you with your point. To emphasize your point,
Speaker 8: Neilby twenty nine Craft Street is the congressman office? Is
Speaker 8: Jake Auchencross's office. Yeah, and they have they have people
Speaker 8: protesting every day. Is real and it's ready to across
Speaker 8: some whole foods and they're there every day and not
Speaker 8: people wave and some like. It's very peaceful. And I
Speaker 8: do the killing read sometimes I go out for the
Speaker 8: stand up protests, yep. And you sometimes give us the
Speaker 8: finger and tell us to biologically we produce ourselves, but very.
Speaker 2: Well said, I refer to they tell you you're number one.
Speaker 8: Yes, but but it's usually me smile and it's kind
Speaker 8: of a we never thought it was going to be
Speaker 8: in fear, but yeah, that's awful.
Speaker 2: Well, you never know, and you never know who this
Speaker 2: day and age, what nut job might have a gun
Speaker 2: and fire And this guy comes running across the street.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the video on TV. It's it's if
Speaker 2: you were there, you'd be scared. You'd be trying to
Speaker 2: brace yourself because this guy is doing pretty fast. He
Speaker 2: looks like he's playing football, you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I look in that area, so it's
Speaker 8: I know there. And I wanted to thank you for
Speaker 8: letting me plug my eventor it's happening Saturday, So thank
Speaker 8: you for you and Lightning for letting me be on before.
Speaker 2: Very nice time justin you know, the best of luck tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks very much. Thanks, talk to you soon. All right,
Speaker 2: let me go to Craig in Ohio. Craig in Ohio.
Speaker 2: This probably this story probably hasn't hit Ohio yet, but
Speaker 2: it's really interesting that it's an interesting story. Back here, buddy,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 7: And uh, it hasn't hit Ohio yet. But you'r they've
Speaker 7: done some great reporting up there. It sounds like getting Boston.
Speaker 7: But uh yeah, I think this is just the beginning.
Speaker 7: Damn you know what you get to states where they
Speaker 7: have a lot of concealed carries in the stand your
Speaker 7: ground law. Unfortunately, I you know, I think it's just
Speaker 7: gonna end up getting worse. You know, you know, people
Speaker 7: are going to start fighting back in one form or another.
Speaker 2: I think this group yesterday, I mean, they didn't have
Speaker 2: a choice. This guy was the one who initiated the
Speaker 2: the confrontation, and then he initiated the assault in the fight. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the evidence will show, whether this
Speaker 2: individual intentionally shot him or or the gun went off accidentally.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Let the facts comes seventy And if the guy came
Speaker 7: across the street and knocked me on the ground and
Speaker 7: was swinging, I would pull the trigger also, No.
Speaker 2: I just say, but again, I just want to make
Speaker 2: it I just want to make it clear that we
Speaker 2: don't know for sure, and you have forensics here, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure the police will be able to do. They
Speaker 2: were called, they may have talked to eye witnesses. I
Speaker 2: don't know, for Allallly, no police could have been driving by.
Speaker 2: So this guy's facing a very serious charge assault and
Speaker 2: battery with a dangerous weapon. And he was held on
Speaker 2: what we call fifty thousand dollars bail, but it's five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars cash bail, so it sounds worse than it is.
Speaker 2: And I think that they said that there was a
Speaker 2: gold fundbee stage. You know what, this story reminds me
Speaker 2: of a little bit. It reminds me a little bit
Speaker 2: of the story in New York. Remember with the guy
Speaker 2: the young guy was threatening people on and a marine
Speaker 2: got up and put him in a headlock, and the
Speaker 2: guy and the marine. Now I was facing homicide chargers,
Speaker 2: and that case hasn't been tried yet, so this might
Speaker 2: be one of those similar cases. Was what were people
Speaker 2: to do? I mean this, this guy must have been
Speaker 2: pretty He must have thought he was pretty tough. Because
Speaker 2: it was one guy taken on. It looked like five
Speaker 2: or six people. I don't know how many of them
Speaker 2: were men, how many of them were women. I don't
Speaker 2: know what age they all were, But I'm sure the
Speaker 2: police have all of those all that information and that
Speaker 2: will work into their decision as to who.
Speaker 7: Will be charged if he wasn't come across the street
Speaker 7: to give him a high five.
Speaker 2: No, it's pretty clear in that No, they had exchanged
Speaker 2: They had exchanged some words, let's put it like that.
Speaker 2: And they were not pleasant words, I'm sure, and there
Speaker 2: were plenty of witnesses to that. Hey, Craig, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from you in a while. Man. It's
Speaker 2: I always worry about you folks who you know who
Speaker 2: are regular listeners and regular callers, And when I don't
Speaker 2: hear them, always sometimes I think, see what's going on
Speaker 2: with Craig. Everything okay out there?
Speaker 7: Everything you're good, been doing a lot of camping and cushy.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you enjoy and we'll look forward to hearing
Speaker 2: from you more often.
Speaker 7: And I always enjoyed listen to.
Speaker 8: BZ and night Side.
Speaker 7: Thanks Greg, night side, I mean, okay, not.
Speaker 2: The America's back porch. Thanks Greg. Talk to you soon, Okay,
Speaker 2: bye bye. I take a very quick break. I got
Speaker 2: Bob in California coming up. Mike and Newton, Brian and Dutchbury.
Speaker 2: You got a little bit of room for you if
Speaker 2: you want to try to get in. I do intend
Speaker 2: to change topics at nine o'clock. But my audience plays
Speaker 2: a big role, and we if we change, we'll be
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back we go, gonna go to Bob in California. Hey, Bob,
Speaker 2: welcome back to Nightside. Always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: What's your thought on this, Bob from three thousand miles away?
Speaker 10: Likewise standard good eating. Well, just to remind you and
Speaker 10: the listeners, I'm originally from Boston. I know Newton very well.
Speaker 10: I have three comments. First of all, these anti Israel protesters,
Speaker 10: let's call them what they are starting now. They are
Speaker 10: pro protesters.
Speaker 9: That's what they are.
Speaker 10: Okay, they're pro.
Speaker 8: We lost you you mean pro Hamas protesters?
Speaker 2: Right? But again, just you you've dropped out of me
Speaker 2: twice there, Bob. Let mean when you say pro what
Speaker 2: what is what is the word after pro pro terrorists?
Speaker 10: They are pro terrorists?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, gotcha? Okay, fine, Well that's even worse than
Speaker 2: pro homase. Well I guess maybe maybe it's a synonymous. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, well.
Speaker 8: This guy, but that's what the protesters here were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the protesters who were attacked were supporting Israel and
Speaker 2: supporting the.
Speaker 10: Real my s my second. Okay, but I want to
Speaker 10: establish that everybody listening stop calling them pro palace things.
Speaker 10: They are pro terrorists, protest right, that's.
Speaker 1: What they are.
Speaker 10: Okay. Yeah. Number two, Scott, thank you. And Scott Hayes
Speaker 10: was his alleged actions absolutely self defense. Okay, he was
Speaker 10: in fair for his life, self defense, right period. That's
Speaker 10: that's it, right. And the third comment I want to
Speaker 10: make call here. You have to understand that Newton DA
Speaker 10: who spoke the one who charged Gott and you got
Speaker 10: to realize I've heard Dan. She's in a training program
Speaker 10: to be a DA out here in California where they
Speaker 10: support the agitators and the troublemakers all the time. That's
Speaker 10: what the das do here. So she's in a special
Speaker 10: training program to come out here and be a DA
Speaker 10: in California. We're still do a great job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that I think you might be uh,
Speaker 2: you're you're you're speaking a little sarcastically there, but I
Speaker 2: understand the points you're making. Those are three great points, Rob.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Thank you much, thank you, good night,
Speaker 2: next too, We're gonna go. Let's go home, back to Newton. Mike.
Speaker 2: Is a Newton Mike your reaction to what happened in
Speaker 2: your city last night?
Speaker 11: Yes, Hi, Dan, it's unfortunately. I really think that that
Speaker 11: guy is in deep do do this is in Massachusetts?
Speaker 11: Is not a and your ground law. You have the
Speaker 11: duty to retreat. He had all these people around him.
Speaker 11: Did the guy show a weapon when he came at him,
Speaker 11: a knife or anything?
Speaker 7: He didn't.
Speaker 11: He had the duty to retreat. You have to be
Speaker 11: in a corner, a hallway or something you cannot get
Speaker 11: out of there, and then you can shoot somebody. I
Speaker 11: have a feeling that it's going to come down to that.
Speaker 2: Well, you might be right, but I will tell you this,
Speaker 2: the circumstances and the facts of the case, or really
Speaker 2: what matter. This guy standing on a street corner with
Speaker 2: you know, a few other people supporting Israel, and I
Speaker 2: guess probably the signage that they might have, if they
Speaker 2: had signs, was in sympathy with the hostages. Have you
Speaker 2: seen the video of this guy coming across the street?
Speaker 11: I did, and I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 11: You know you probably do the same thing.
Speaker 2: And it looked as if the guy that he jumped
Speaker 2: was the guy who was arraigned today, So it looks
Speaker 2: as if it wasn't like he uh somebody standing by
Speaker 2: who interceded and shot again, assuming that he shot intentionally,
Speaker 2: I don't know that he had the ability to retreat
Speaker 2: because once he gets jumped there on the ground.
Speaker 11: Uh, that's something that that it's gonna have to play out.
Speaker 2: But I understand that's what that's what you say. I
Speaker 2: understand the point you're making that we are not a
Speaker 2: standard ground the state. I understand that. But it's a
Speaker 2: difference then if somebody walked across the street and was
Speaker 2: having an argument with him, uh and uh, and there
Speaker 2: was no assault in battery or no jumping on him,
Speaker 2: and then he pulled the gun out and shot the guy.
Speaker 2: In with your thousand percent, but once this guy comes
Speaker 2: on top of him and has him down on a street,
Speaker 2: you don't know what that person might be able to do. Drive,
Speaker 2: you know, drive an elbow into his head while his
Speaker 2: head is un cemented.
Speaker 11: No, I agree. I totally agree with you, but we'll
Speaker 11: just have to see how it plays.
Speaker 2: I put my defense your hat on there for a second.
Speaker 2: But you're a great call. Thanks thanks Mike, Thank you,
Speaker 2: I thank you. Talk to you soon. Going next Brian
Speaker 2: in Duxbury. Brian's gonna get you one more in here.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 9: All right, yeah, let me preface my remarks. First of all,
Speaker 9: you know, I believe in the second manment write of
Speaker 9: the Constitution is the right to play arounds to protect
Speaker 9: against tyranny. And uh, I wonder why I am a
Speaker 9: situation like this, Uh, this guy would do your gun
Speaker 9: to something like this.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess, I guess the guy has a right
Speaker 2: to carry, right, Well, yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but a certain but yeah, he has the right
Speaker 9: to carry. But when all the time.
Speaker 2: The right to carry is the right to carry.
Speaker 8: You could you could take.
Speaker 2: The gun wow with you to the to the store.
Speaker 2: You could take the gun with you. You know, you
Speaker 2: can't take it on the plane. You can't take it
Speaker 2: inside Fenway Park, you can't take it onto a school ground,
Speaker 2: you can't take it into a federal building. But he's
Speaker 2: under street corner.
Speaker 9: There's a time, and there's a time in the place.
Speaker 4: Uh, the.
Speaker 9: Guy run the guy running across the street. I couldn't
Speaker 9: play a little middle linebacker for the Patriots. And there's
Speaker 9: rays to stop guys like that. His momentum is forward.
Speaker 9: Just step aside and pull him down instead of shooting him.
Speaker 9: I think this guy that shot him is in big trouble.
Speaker 9: He was not. It wasn't deadly for he wasn't afraid
Speaker 9: for his life.
Speaker 2: You never once, once he's on the ground, he might
Speaker 2: be again. The video that I have you seen the video? Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: the video that I saw was the guy who runs
Speaker 2: across the street. He jumps on this guy and they
Speaker 2: both hit the ground.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fact that he didn't do some sort
Speaker 2: of judicial or karate move to step out of his
Speaker 2: way like a matador and pull him down. And I
Speaker 2: understand that move because.
Speaker 9: Not a not a not a matador karate. It's a
Speaker 9: basic uh you know, if you're in the service, the
Speaker 9: Marine Corps. I was in the let's say, you know,
Speaker 9: it's something that you learn.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's a it's a matter door move.
Speaker 2: You know that as well as I do, because I've
Speaker 2: done it and you've done it. You know exactly what
Speaker 2: you step aside.
Speaker 12: This DNA and this DNA every single day on the news,
Speaker 12: not the changes, but every single day it's another shooting
Speaker 12: of somebody. And I just came from Ado. I just
Speaker 12: came from a duty football game, and I and I
Speaker 12: felt good because all the kids from the school were
Speaker 12: they they were cheering the team and and they were
Speaker 12: all wearing red, white and blue flags and whatever, and
Speaker 12: it gave my heart good. I said, Jesus, there is
Speaker 12: a chance.
Speaker 2: I would I would have been right there with you.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I would have been right there
Speaker 2: with you, Brian, Brian, I got to run because I
Speaker 2: got the news coming after. So let me let me
Speaker 2: let you go for now. Thanks so much for calling,
Speaker 2: and I really appreciate it. Okay, okay, by Honey is
Speaker 2: your wife, I'm your friend. We'll be back. Never been
Speaker 2: called honey in the radio before. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: ever been called honey in the radio anyway. He was excited.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come right back on Night's that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take at least a couple of more
Speaker 2: callers in this II. Leen and Jack, you're both late,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to accommodate you. Right after the ten
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