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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Not Metal. We're your weekly

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rock and heavy metal podcast. We are here with you

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every single Friday, and welcome here to an edition of

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Hyperblast where we hit you as fast as we can,

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as fast as a shark, and we let you know

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everything that's been going on in the world of news

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for the last week and also give you the releases

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that you're gonna want to hear about as well for

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each week. So that's what we're coming up. We got

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a nice little bit of a subject matter to dig

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our teeth into, varied across the board of you know,

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rock and even you know, slightly outside. I suppose music

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this time, and we're going to get into that. My

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name is Parenthish. My compatriot in news today, I suppose

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is Mark s Anderson.

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Speaker 2: I Mark, what is up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought I would spend some of this show

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reviewing the new Iron Maiden documentary. Yeah, that came out

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this week. It's called Burning Ambition, and it's you know,

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premiered last week and it's been out in cinemas for

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the last week or so. And I am sure that

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you know, many people, probably most of like the die

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hard Maiden, faithful will have gone out, you know, first

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week and seen this thing. But if there is anyone

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who is you know, maybe just sort of wondering like

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is it worth a what should I bother you know

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seeking it out? I went to see it, so I

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thought I would report you know, what my thoughts about

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it over here, and you may remember like when this

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was you know, announced a couple of months ago on

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this new show. My third thought was, how much more

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can we feasibly know about Iron Maiden? Like, what what

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more information that the Maiden fan base, which is famously

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one of the most you know, obsessive and knowledgeable about

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their band fan bases that exists. Really, I can talk

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to you right now. I can tell you exactly what

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members are on which albums, which guys leave at which

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points and join for other albums. I can talk to

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you in depth about every single album and what my

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thoughts are them are. I can talk to you about, like,

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you know, the the highs and lows of their live career,

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all this kind of stuff. So what more could a

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documentary put in that would like make it, you know,

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actually worth a watch for anyone who is already knowledgeable

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about Iron Maiden. I suppose and going into this that

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was my sort of you know, curiosity thought. But I thought, well,

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you know, it's a big cinematic event, or at least

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it's being pitched to such, so I'll go and check

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it out. And I enjoyed it. It's is it an

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essential watch? I would say no, But is it worth

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a watch if you like Iron Maiden? Yeah, you know,

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it's certainly. There are much worse things to do then,

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you know, whether you watch it at home or even

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if you make it out to the cinema right now,

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there are worse things to do than sit and watch. Essentially,

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are like cool archive Iron Maiden clips for a couple

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of hours, right and then you know, here's some interviews

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with the guys, and you know, various other people in

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and around them and Iron Maiden fans and all this stuff.

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It's enjoy it, but pretty straightforward in like it is

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one of those I feel like the the high water

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mark at least for like the most regularly seen like

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band documentaries in our world, I think are things like

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what the Banger TV. You know, like Banger Studios puts out.

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Top one, and I think they have a judas prese

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one coming out, Like those go really in depth on

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the you know, the highs and lows of particularly the

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musical output, you know, and actually like exploring catalogs and stuff.

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you know, fairly straightforward, you know, the Wikipedia style run

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through the career with some added narrations and you know,

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tidbits from the people who were there kind of style thing.

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But in that it is far from the worst one.

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And the fact that they have you know, access to

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these archive clips and stuff means you do just like

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you get to see some cool stuff that you might

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like a really big Maiden fan. They unearthed some you know,

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not very often seen you know clips and bits of

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behind the scenes footage and stuff like that that are

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pretty fun to see, you know. Named for a B

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side burning ambition, which I feel like I one of

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the things that again, if you are a hardcore Maden fan,

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people probably know that B sides even though like it's

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a you know, not one that your casuals would would know.

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like that and the pull is like, you know it's

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not called Iron Maiden, halle bev name or something right

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like it is pulling it very much. Pictures it as

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being like, you know, for the fans already, right, the

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people who are already in the no so, like I said,

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you're trying to get over that barrier of like knowledge

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already existing basically, But it does like a decent enough

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job off it. It has these like animated bits in it,

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not like overwhelmingly, but it has these little animated bits

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with Eddie in it which are kind of rubbish in

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the way that all CGI made and visuals are a

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bit rubbish, but in a sort of slightly endearing way

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as well, and like they don't take over the film

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too often. What it mostly is is asay archive footage

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mixed in with in views mostly of fans of Maiden.

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An outside documentarian sort of examining the phenomenon of Iron Maiden, right,

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the world, famous fans and you know, averaged sort of

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you know, you're on the street type Maiden fans. The

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former category Javier Bardem is like the the flagship guy,

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and like, honestly, he's like the Hollywood figure in it,

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and it cuts back to him so often, it's like

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every five minutes, it's like, what Doesavier Bardem have to

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say about this Fountain of Full Maiden Knowledge? But you

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know he comes across well in it. There's the standard,

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you know, rocky musicians who get interviewed for every documentary

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like this. So Lars Alric isn't it And Tom Morello

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and Gene Simmons turns up to talk about how good

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their marketing is with Eddie and I'm like, yeah, of

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course that's the bit that you want to know about.

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But then it also really interestingly, it mixes in, like

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like I don't know the rock and metal industry pecking order,

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I suppose, so alongside those people you have like Nina

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from the band Lowen, it's just randomly in it, like

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speaking a little bit, and like, you know, Don Lawson

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from MetalHammer is in it speaking as like you know,

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the music journalist perspective on it. The one that really

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in it, it comes up saying like you know, so

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for example, Nina musician, but it doesn't say Hi, I'm

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Nina from the band Lowen. It kind of leaves that

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to only if you recognize them. The one that got

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me is the Nifflheim brothers are in it, the heavy

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metal bros from the Swedish like black thrash band Nifflheim,

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who are like, you know, well renowned in their home

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metal scene, but they're not internationally massively famous in the

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way that Iron Maiden are, right, and it comes up with,

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you know, the Niflheim guys, but it doesn't label them

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as being from the band Nifflheim. It's just these two

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Nipfleheim are and they only get they get like five

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seconds of screen time each they turn up a line

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and then it comes back to Heavier Bardem with like

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his twentieth line of the documentary. But it's a real

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like again mix of faces and people and stuff in it.

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tour bus in the eighties and stuff like that, and

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some of it's quite fun. There's a great bit where

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they're playing in Poland, and there's a whole kind of

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to essentially playing in Eastern Europe like behind the Iron Curtain,

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a Polish wedding after it basically and I don't know

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if the people in this wedding knew about it, but

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Iron Maiden basically become their like wedding band. So there's

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like this amazing footage of them in the mid eighties

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with Iron Maiden rocking up on stage at this big

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Polish wedding and knocking out a deep purple cover. Well, like,

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I don't think people around them know what's going on.

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insight was that was kind of really putting across how

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insane their touring schedule was back then, because you think about,

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you know, Iron Maiden's itinery right where you particularly that

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peak eighties period where they're putting out an album like

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almost every year, if not every two years, pretty you know,

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religiously at that point in time, and obviously in between

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those albums, they don't have a massive world tour for

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that record, and you think about how famous and long

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tours like the World Slavery Tour are for Power Slave

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in the eighties, and then it's like that tour again

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and again and again for this like really extended period

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of years, and it kind of just drilled in how

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almost lucky we are that they're like they survived that,

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various troubles of some kind you know, surface along the

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way or whatever. And the fact that Iron Maiden made

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decision to leave in the early nineties kind of in

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a bit more perspective and makes it more understandable, I suppose. Interestingly,

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tension when it comes to things like, for example, around

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the time that Bruce is leaving. And the most interesting

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comes out in what the documentary shows between Bruce and Nico,

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who are like the two members that you wouldn't expect

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having beef I suppose, because I think you hear a

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lot about the you know, the big the ego personalities

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in the band of Bruce and Steve, right, that's the

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classic sort of you know, the creative dynamic, I suppose,

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relationship between Bruce and Nico and how Nicko was like

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New Well. So that's kind of I guess the most

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extensive like you know, unseen insight I suppose, like stuff

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that you wouldn't already know going in. Otherwise, there are

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some great like spinal tap style interview moments of them,

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like capturing just lines and stuff of interviews behind the scenes.

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like and they play it up too much, But there

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are lines where they just come across as quite comical.

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and they're talking about the subject matter of their songs

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and how they write about like you know, history and

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literature and all this kind of stuff compared to what

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have been, like the glam Neill scene, right, And Bruce

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says something all the lines of like, yeah, we don't

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like to write songs about like, you know, partying and

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drinking and getting drunk, because people do that all the time.

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experience very often, like death. It's just an amazing bit.

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a fan or someone you know in sort of the

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mid eighties, I suppose, and this fan brings up the

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idea of using synthesizers, and Bruce is like, no, you

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can't play heavy metal with synthesizers. You just can't do that.

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of the best metal records that including you know, synthesizing

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of the Palette time. But again just like these fundy

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little timbits that kind of they they let you the

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viewer who are in the know, pick up on, I

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suppose the humor or the irony, or the significance or

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whatever in them. Otherwise, as I said, it spends a

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you know the unique stories that they bring. So for example,

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nineties Yugoslavia breakup conflicts and stuff, and there's a great

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little bit where it talks about there was essentially like

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an underground tape trading circuit in Kosovo in the nineties

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where they're like sharing Maiden tracks with the Churdans. Like

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stories like that which are cool. You know, like there's

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there's an interviewee who is from Lebanon and talks about

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like during the Lebanese Civil War, you know, her coming

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to Maiden and all those kind of stories as well

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as obviously then you get the really big ones that

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and all the people who converged on you know that

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at that point in time, but it just it flits around.

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I suppose, like just these different subjects that are all

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you know, pretty interesting, and they have like good, you

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not spending a lot of time on the individual records

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or music of them, but more as I say, the

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the sort of pop culture phenomenon of Iron Maiden, you

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get into the you know, the present day in the

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twenty first century and obviously talks about things like you know,

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Bruce's cancer about and then you know, most recently Nicco

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stepping back from the band and stuff like that, and

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we've seen them go through all of these changes, all

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of these periods that insane you know eighties touring, like

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we have watched them, h you know, like we have

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watched them kind of you know, be vulnerable people, I suppose,

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whilst also embodying be much larger than life, larger than

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any of them. Thing that is Iron Maiden, And it's

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just such a crazily jam packed story where they like

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they drop in at the end. It's like, oh yeah, Also,

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Bruce became a qualified pilot and flew our band around

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in like a seven four to seven jet for a while.

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a small detail that would be the craziest thing in

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so many other band stories, but it's just some thing like, yeah,

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that was a thing that we did. We flame Bruce

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flow us around. So it's pretty enjoyable. Like I said,

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it's not a central I don't think it will be

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the you know, bar setter for insightful you know, change

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in the game rock documentaries or like that. But if

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essentially the question of being art here is if you

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are a Maiden fan and you already have like a

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decent knowledge base of Iron Maiden story, is it worth

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a watch? Will you enjoy it? I would say yeah, fairly,

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you know, a light recommendation, but a recommendation. So I

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made Burning Ambition pretty good, pretty fun, pretty interesting?

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Speaker 2: Ah nice, Yeah, I was interested in that. But I

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do often feel with documentaries there is sort of a like,

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like you say, it's like this is for the hardcore fans,

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but there's nothing much in a documentary that can be

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new information for a hardcore fan, like I don't know, yeah,

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how many more times I need to hear oh, Tony

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Iomi's fingers ah, the try tone in nineteen sixty that

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you know all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the equivalent is this is when they're

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talking about, you know, the creation of Eddie as the mascot,

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and then you get everyone'shy the nber like like, oh yeah,

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Eddie was like the mut you know, he was the

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face of the band, that he's the thing that you

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know on all the artworks. It was so crazy and

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it drew you to the band as I was like, yeah,

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we all know this. I know you have to include

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this because it's is such a huge part of their

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pop culture footprint. But there's no further interesting insight on

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like the creation or the like wow, look here he's

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a tree, here he's a pharaoh or whatever. But you

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know that, Yeah, that's stuff is pretty standard. But like

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little bit more into specific periods or throwing around to like,

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you know, specific fans experiences with it, I suppose obviously

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are subjective and unique comverst to person. It moves along

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like the Wikipedia top line, but it does go above

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the Wikipedia top line at least.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to see it. I love Iron Maiden.

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I love watching footage of Iron Maiden when they were young.

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I'm sure it makes me happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's all you need to, you know, feel

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pleasure from it, then definitely it delivers on that. So

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pretty good and just on that front. While he was

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all talking about Iron Maiden. Also this week, Nicko McBrain

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has announced that he has got and autobiography coming out

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if you want to hear even more about Iron Maiden.

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But you know, Nico is a not only a very

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fun character. The book is called Hello Boys and Girls,

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which is great because it's exactly what you can do,

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like hear in his voice Nico titling that book. But yeah,

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you know, I'm sure his insight from you know, the

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point where he joined the band, the you know, the

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specific point behind the kit that he brings to the band.

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I'm sure that you know, most of the Iron Maiden,

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like hardcore faifer who will buy every one of their books,

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will go out and get that, and yeah, jolly good stuff.

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While we're on the subject of movies. Ghost. It looks

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like this week there is some teasing that Ghost appear

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to be having another film that's coming out at some

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point later this year, in August. I don't have any

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concrete details right now about like title necessarily or what

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it even precisely is, but obviously, just two years ago,

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which is the main thing about this twenty twenty four,

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that was the right here, right now concert and it

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looks like in August this year also being moved out

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into Imax screens and Imax theaters, which the amount of

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bands who have had like Imax concert films is, you know,

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even smaller than the ones who've had standard concert films.

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I suppose it looks like they've got another one coming

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out right after, you know, in the scheme of things,

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right after the previous one. Did you did you see

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right here right now?

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Speaker 2: No? But I listened to the live album because I'm

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more interested in that, I see, I know, the narrative stuff, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the stuff that sucked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, The actual concert film was you know, the concert

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film parts of it were enjoyable, for sure, The sort

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of narrative skip bits were the weakest and I did

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have some nitpicks with just the I suppose the editing

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and stuff to do with the actual concert film parts.

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But the performance was spectat here because it's you know,

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wasn't imperior era Ghost or whatever and into you know,

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the skeletal thing if this were to be. But it's

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mad that I suppose that they felt that was such

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a success. You know, it did the necessary bank around

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the world that they are going to immediately on the

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following album cycle, you know, steamroll into another one and

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taking it even bigger. This is just a regular thing

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now that we can see from Ghost apparently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does harken back to sort of the olden

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days where how many body live Iron Maiden albums are there? Like, yeah,

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I do quite like that I missed. I love a

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live album, and I you know, the concert film side

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of it. I'm sure I'll watch it if there's you know,

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because it'd be nice to have a document of something

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where there's no other footage because obviously this tour there's

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the no phone thing, so it would be nice to

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have this tour is sort of just like almost just

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like to document it and to have it preserved because

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the show was so good, Like, yeah, I'd probably watch

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it just to relive it. But like it's mad that

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like an album, but everyone is a little colder on

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like Skeleton. They're like, oh, no, big success, we're gonna

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do the live the live thing when there's four extra

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songs like the four Skeleton songs we had or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, true, I suppose that the question is how

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much does it double down on again the narrative elements

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or how much does it pivot into because the fact

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that it's an Imax, right, Imax is the you know,

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the film format that people like Christopher Nolan use, Right,

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you can't have your YouTube skits in Imax, Like that's ridiculous,

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you can't like putting those things on a normal movie screen.

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Enough was a bit like slightly taking the piss hiring

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out Imax screens when I don't know whatever Marvel film

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that comes out is going to be wanting to use

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those screens to to put like Papa Perpetua having his

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little TIFFs with fucking you know whatever member of the

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clergy will be fascical.

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Speaker 2: This screen is for Red Hulk, have some respect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, precisely, how much it doubles down on those elements

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or whether they feel like they have you know, can

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improve upon the template, because I enjoyed right here right

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now as a concert film. But I do feel there

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is potential in the Ghost Show to make a better

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one than what we got, and I would love to

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see that emerge, you know, and build upon the template,

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I suppose, and you know, do do bigger and better.

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But I suppose we'll see if that's what it is,

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you know, in August, when this currently unnamed ghost film

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comes out, let's talk about new music. I would first

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like to acknowledge we haven't heard it right now because

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it's coming out on Friday as this scos out. But

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Anthrax have got a new single out. It's called It's

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for the Kids, and it is going to be the

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lead single from their first record in ten years. I

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suppose we will talk about this next week when the

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song is you know, actually out for us to have

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heard it. But I have no idea what the excitement

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levels are for the first Antheats record in ten years,

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you know, like that's such a long time. But when

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you consider creatively where they were and stuff, how the

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world has moved on, Like I would just be interested

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to see how new Anthrax like at all impacts, I suppose,

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but it is notable. As you know, I said that

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longer period of time without a record, and we will

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hear finally, you know, some new Aunttheuch music tomorrow. As

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we are currently recording this, we'll talk about it next week.

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Something we can talk about right now is a new

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album announcement from Green Lung, one of the best and

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certainly in terms of their you know kind of upcoming,

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enterprising and so on, one of the most promising bands

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in the world, but certainly in the UK right now.

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They have announced their new record. It's got a brilliant

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title of Necropolitan, and it's going to be out on

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September the eleventh. It is the follow up, of course

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to This Heathen Land, which was not their first record,

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but it was their biggest breakthrough record to date. So

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certainly the most eyes on a Green Lung record this

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one will have of any prior to this. And we

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are all on this podcast big admirers of certainly what

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Green Lung managed to do with that last record. Like

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we all loved it, I know that many people in

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the audience will also feel the same there so I

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think one of the anticipated records of the second half

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of this year for sure. This Green Lung interesting concept

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pabies before we get to the new song, because Necropolitan

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the title, it's described as being basically all about the

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city of London and it's you know, quirks and corners

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as you can imagine within the Green Lung universe, which

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is exploring of course, the stranger coorders, the occult, you know,

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the folk culture, the spookier side of things, and this

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even land with this you know, kind of looking at

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like you know, old ancient Albion and going across the

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country and stuff sort of sold itself on that, you know,

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because you go into the British countryside and you can

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already think of all of the stories and again the

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folk horror and all that kind of stuff that really

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naturally goes with it. But to go urban after that

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and specific, you know, focus on a city like London

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is an interesting your sort of mind's I image doesn't

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immediately conjure up so instantaneously, but if you spend a

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lot of time in London, you know, outside of you know,

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the main central tourist areas and you go and search

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it out. I think it's a brilliant idea because if

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you ever go around you know, like Highgate Cemetery or

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the you know various like again occult buildings and stuff

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like that place is where these secret gatherings happened, or

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like even non supernatural wise, you go to places like

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Whitechapel and there's the whole the Ripper murder history and

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all this stuff. Like London is, you know, the Victoriana

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of it. London is a real hub of I think

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many cities around the world you could do similar things

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with it, just explore their you know, the natural darkness

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and you know kind of more left hand path side

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of life that exists in a city that has existed

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for you know, centuries or millennia even. But London does

476
00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:58,039
feel like immediately you can reel off things off your

477
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,759
head with it. So going from in the out in

478
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,680
the moors, as you know, one of their previous songs

479
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,839
said to centering into London but peeling back the most green,

480
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,680
lungiest elements of it, I'm excited for just the conceptual

481
00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:12,960
side of this record and what could spill out of it.

482
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting. It's you'd never imagine listening to

483
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:21,039
Green Long that they've ever seen a skyscraper like it's that.

484
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,039
But and I'm not even like a London I don't

485
00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,000
know that much about London. But even just you saying

486
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,799
those things, I'm like my brow brain is racing, like,

487
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:34,480
oh yeah, you could even like there's even like sort

488
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,119
of dark tragic, slightly more romantic things like John Keats's

489
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,160
Hams toad Teeth, Like sure, London is so massive that, yeah,

490
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,880
you could fall on the entire record with interesting little

491
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,000
things and stories. And I think, weirdly the song does

492
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:58,319
sort of reflect a more you know, urban environment.

493
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah. I just think it's just because it's

494
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,680
a hub of subculture as well. Like it is like

495
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,880
they're about to headline Desert Fest this weekend and that's

496
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,119
why they put this you know, announcement ahead of this,

497
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,359
and like scenes like that where people congregate even though

498
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,920
you know, London if you are a country you know person,

499
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,720
and you I don't know, look with skepticism upon the

500
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,279
big cities and the viewers being like you know, souls

501
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,400
or whatever. They're massive and people congregate there and people

502
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,400
bring their interest with them, and people you know, meld

503
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,400
their interest and just celebrate things. So you go to

504
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,920
any place like London or any similar city, and that's

505
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,440
where you will find record stores and you know bars

506
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:37,359
or whatever where people will hang out and share these

507
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,480
you know, again, subcultural interests so much more than in

508
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,160
most of you know, the countryside, to be honest. So

509
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,480
I think that you know, the spirit of that sort

510
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:47,960
of element of a place like them that could exist

511
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,839
in this record for sure. And you look down the

512
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,680
trap list and there's songs like Necropolitan Line, you know,

513
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,240
which that's just brilliant, Like I want to hear about that.

514
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,839
And you know, the video for the song they put

515
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,440
out the references and stuff that you can making it

516
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,599
like I was thinking about things like the Stone tape

517
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,519
and stuff like that that's coming out through you know,

518
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,559
just the video for songs like this. Yeah, the track.

519
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,240
So the song is called Evil in the House. It

520
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,240
is about a particular you know, reportedly haunted building in London.

521
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,119
What do you make of the song then, because you

522
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,400
were alluding to it there a little bit, and as

523
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,519
so we're all such fans of the previous album.

524
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,079
Speaker 2: I think it's cool. It's a weird choice as like

525
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,400
a lead single because it is more doomy, it's less

526
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,759
you know, the first song from the last record was

527
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,880
it Mountain Thrown, which is big. It's got this big

528
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,039
hard rock riff that anyone could get on board with.

529
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:45,240
This one that's more slower tempo. It's leaning back into

530
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,920
the doom a bit more. But in that that is

531
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480
sort of cool that they have the confidence to be like, yeah,

532
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:56,039
this doom track is our lead single while we're on

533
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,279
the cusp of really breaking through. I think the solo

534
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,599
in it is really sick, as they always are. It

535
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,079
took a while to grow on me, but I do

536
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,240
really like it as a song.

537
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I'm not wowed by it. Yeah,

538
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,759
it's like a lead single. I think it's decent. I'm

539
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,519
hoping that again it has time to grow me because

540
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,640
I do. I like the vibe. It's very retro sounding

541
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:21,160
in that it doesn't feel like when the last record

542
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,000
they adjusted themselves to kind of feel you know, bigger

543
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:26,559
for one of the better word basically, like, you know,

544
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,319
there's a real opulence about that last record if you

545
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,480
compared it to the earlier Green Lung stuff. There's a

546
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:35,920
real grandeur about how those songs carry on big stage

547
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,519
and stuff, and even you know, when you think about

548
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,000
the doomy moments on that record, so you know one

549
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:43,039
for Sorrow or like the Forest Church, right, they do

550
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,240
have that just swell to them again, that grandeur where

551
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:48,559
this feels a little more dingy, and maybe it is

552
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,599
because it's like, you know, we're inside like a spooky

553
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,599
haunted house rather than you know, speaking to the congregation

554
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:59,039
on the Forest Church. But it has, you know, it

555
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,519
ticks the boxes of It's got a really you know,

556
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240
charismatic sort of doom saying vocal line, some great geezery

557
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,240
bass playing. You talk about the solo, the synth solo

558
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,000
that comes in is the absolute business. So there are

559
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,359
these moments here that like really do like jump out

560
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,319
and you go, wow, that's awesome. And that's why I

561
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,079
still have, you know, lots of hope for the record.

562
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680
And you know, nice little lyrical references to like you know,

563
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720
in the there's the Haunting of Hillhouse reference here with

564
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,599
the whoever walks here walks alone, and I can imagine

565
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,680
again all these sort of the literate side of Greenlang,

566
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,440
which is something I really admire about them because that's

567
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,279
something that I like to you know, connect with in

568
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,000
heavy metal. I suppose, and I think that they are

569
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,599
keeping that flame very much alive. I like that that

570
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,640
again continue to live in here. I think it's essentially

571
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,519
what people largely want from them, Like if you are

572
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:44,359
a Green Lung fan and you like their you know,

573
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,839
retro classic doomy heavy metal type sound. This certainly is

574
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,519
a departure. It maybe just is a little, as I say,

575
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,039
more you know, interior rather than like absolutely walloping to

576
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,119
the masses the way that if you ever saw them

577
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,920
playing any of the last record songs on a festival

578
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,079
stage outdoors, they properly carried and this it maybe almost

579
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,400
sounds like a step backwards in that regard, But I'm

580
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,319
very curious about what the in the rest of the

581
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,599
record has to offer there, and you know, hopefully if

582
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,839
there's a similar variety across this record as there was

583
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,240
on the previous one. They've described it as there's less

584
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,440
of the folk stuff on this, which I guess makes

585
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,400
sense because again, the kind of the real folk horror,

586
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
you know, song of the Stones kind of stuff that's

587
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:31,200
on the last record is more right for that world.

588
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,720
But I'm curious what other things that are right for

589
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,640
this world. I suppose they bring into you know, this

590
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,279
record specifically and yeah, I like the track. It doesn't

591
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,519
strike me as the most immediately single out of what

592
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,839
they have kind of offered, but still very curious. September

593
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,440
the eleventh, the new Green Lung record, Necropolitan, coming out.

594
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:52,599
And I suppose, while we're on singles that we do

595
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,880
have if you listen to our award show last year

596
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,960
and you heard us talking about the project Lizzie in

597
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:04,039
the QT Pies is one dance super Campbell along with

598
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,559
like a class of school children. Basically, I don't want

599
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,039
to spend much time on this because obviously it's not

600
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,160
actually rock music, and also fundamentally it's a nice idea,

601
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,400
and I don't want to, you know, spend too much

602
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,119
time ragging on essentially a nice man writing a song

603
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,079
for school children. Hooray getting an interest in music. Bravo.

604
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Cluck clap, But you heard Elliott's you know, fury over that.

605
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Just the fact that there was a second song in

606
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,759
this guys, it seems to be a yearly occurrence. Now,

607
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160
I thought some people might be curious to know that.

608
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160
I suppose it might be interested. And if you are wondering,

609
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,039
does Dan super Campbell still sound absolutely distraught still here

610
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,559
now at the time on the subject of dogs in

611
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:47,720
space eating cheese on the moon. Yes he does.

612
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 2: I'm standing on the ledge just thinking about it. I'm

613
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:56,799
gonna jump this thing because obviously Elliott had his worst

614
00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,960
song of the year, Like I don't hate it's cute,

615
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,839
like you say, there's no reason to ever think about this,

616
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,079
but it's just so funny that he sounds.

617
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,759
Speaker 1: Like like he just can't adjust his voice at all.

618
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:11,960
It's still the same.

619
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,119
Speaker 2: I just checked out this song of curiosity to see

620
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,240
if it was any less suicidal. And the first thing

621
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,559
he does is this horrible voice crack, like is that

622
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,680
a funeral? There's gonna be kids singing in a second?

623
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Why are you going like they're reading Cheese on the Moon? Yeah,

624
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,039
there you go. And I I guess that this is

625
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,559
a topic of you know, some interest being you know,

626
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920
one of the biggest, most critically acclaimed arists in the

627
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,559
world of the last you know, handful of years really,

628
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,680
but certainly the last like you know, two years, but

629
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:53,319
planting herself vaguely in our vicinity. Charlie XCX released a

630
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:59,559
track this week called rock Music, and I don't know

631
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,960
even going into it, I wasn't sure how much actual relevance.

632
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,799
I suppose this would have to our corner, but I

633
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,799
guess just that it's called that and it does have

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,240
some you know, rock elements in it means that maybe

635
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,920
people who are not so always plugged into Charlie, into

636
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,519
our you know, from our world, might have taken notice

637
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,440
and suppose, like what she doing with this one, So

638
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,440
it might be on people's minds. Is I guess what

639
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,359
I'm getting at here, So it might be worth a

640
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,440
little bit of a discussion here. Charliete c X I

641
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,839
am a big fan of when it comes to the

642
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,480
you know, the the really current you know pop artists

643
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,119
out there. She has been one of my favorites for

644
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920
quite a while, like from around the time of the

645
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Room Room EP about ten years ago, really up into

646
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,480
the twenty nineteen album Charlie. It's my favorite of hers.

647
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,920
I love that record always during that period a you know,

648
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,880
like recognizable popular but on the more experimental, slightly avant

649
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,200
card end of what you know, mainStreet pop music was

650
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,119
I suppose, and then Brat happened obviously, and that's a

651
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,599
record that kind of deals with a lot of the

652
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,720
subject matter. Is like being almost like a mid tier

653
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880
pop star of being you know, famous and well known,

654
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160
but not being like world conquering, and ironically that's the

655
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,920
record that she then conquered the world with. And this

656
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,039
like you know, again sort of mid tier pop star

657
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:20,559
went absolutely super nova. So there is like this real pressure,

658
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,599
I suppose, and like this, look at you know, eyes

659
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,559
on what Charlie might do next. And she's had you know,

660
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,079
songs out like the the tracks for the Watering Heights

661
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,160
soundtrack and stuff, which were also quite experimental in strange ways,

662
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,480
more like goth influenced, like strain stuff going on. But

663
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,519
after all of that, the Brat cycle winding down and

664
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,480
then going back being like this is a song. We're

665
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,279
making rock music now, Like I said, people might be

666
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,319
curious as to what's going on, Mark, what are your

667
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,640
thoughts on, uh, you know, Charlie overall, I suppose, but

668
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,640
then into specifically the track.

669
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been aware of miss x X for

670
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400
like you say, since the Room Room era. I did

671
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,480
not like from Room.

672
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: I always struggles.

673
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: But Brat, you know, you can't deny Brat. I loved

674
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,759
Brat and really the only reason that people you know

675
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,720
in the rock world would even care about her releasing

676
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,799
a song called rock music is because of Brat. Like

677
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:23,400
if this came out before, I don't think anyone would. No,

678
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,559
you're tweeting it as if it's a rock song because

679
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,000
it's not. But yeah, I like Charlie x X. I

680
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,039
was very excited to see whatever she was going to

681
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:38,440
do next. Ah and this, I don't know, the song

682
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,559
was fine, Like, yeah, I think there is this.

683
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I think this phenomenon that's been going on for the

684
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,680
past several years where lots of you know, musicians coming

685
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,960
from the pop world dabble and include elements of rock

686
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:56,759
music in what they do. But it feels like this

687
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,839
kind of you know, this this unique sort of I'm

688
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,079
trying to think of a word that isn't varstallization, because

689
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:04,559
I don't mean it in a negative sense. I do

690
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:06,119
just mean it in a neutral sense of like it's

691
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,199
not really one thing or another, but this kind of

692
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,639
unique cross pollination that isn't really actually fully being rock music. Right. So,

693
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,320
for example, someone like Rina Sawayama several years ago, who

694
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,800
you know, rock people would be into and rock magazines

695
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,599
would cover her at times because she covered corn and

696
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,679
had some new metal riffs, but the records were still

697
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,960
basically pop records, like I don't think she made rock records.

698
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,760
She made pop records that had occasional rock rifts in

699
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:31,760
is what was going on there. And then the same

700
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,440
thing could be said for whether it's like Willow Smith

701
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,360
or you know, fucking Machine Gun Kelly or whatever, and

702
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,679
that sort of strange like in between taking bits from

703
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,119
rock music but not really being and being part of

704
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,119
rock music. I think maybe the strongest case of someone

705
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,159
doing that and actually, like you know, I suppose inserting

706
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,239
themselves into our culture has been someone like Poppy for example,

707
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,840
who was you know, in her own straight little corner

708
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
are pops in and then like basically fully transitioned into

709
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,360
being a metal artist and now that's where she lives,

710
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,599
right and she plays like festivals. That's never what someone

711
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,400
like Charlie XCX is going to be doing that particular

712
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,440
brand of like rock pop cross pollination. I don't know. Again,

713
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,119
some people really like some of those things. I am

714
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,960
not sure where how particularly interesting from our point of view,

715
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960
any of those examples have to been like you know,

716
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,639
influential and game changing on our side of things. It's

717
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:20,800
what I'm kind of getting at there.

718
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,119
Speaker 2: It would sort of be like EDM people being like, oh,

719
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,119
there's this band Electric Coalboy. The album is called Techno.

720
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh is this part of our work?

721
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

722
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: And hearing this song, that's kind of what it is, right.

723
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,360
It is a using pieces of rock music but not

724
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,519
fully being rock music. And that is ultimately what Charlie

725
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:46,519
is trying to be, I think, because I don't think

726
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,159
her you know, reinventing herself and suddenly just doing like

727
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,559
a grunge era or something that's not very her. It's

728
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,880
going to be this again, cross pollination and cherry picking

729
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,119
bits of what she's into. And Charlie, who I said like,

730
00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,800
I really like, and I really I think she's a

731
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,440
very interesting artist. I think she is in her personal

732
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,159
outlook and things does often make for example, all of

733
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,719
the lyrical content of Bratt a lot at the time,

734
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,559
like there is she makes them interesting. But she also

735
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,920
comes across as quite I don't know, maybe neurotic at

736
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,599
times and sort of she has a very like self,

737
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440
very self concerned with how she kind of almost where

738
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,719
she fits in the world between like the mainstream in

739
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,960
the underground and stuff. And this track, which is by

740
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,400
the way, it's like one minute fifty five long or something,

741
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,679
I think this comes across me more her trying to

742
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,599
almost clean out shop before doing something like it's shedding

743
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:45,239
the trappings of suddenly being as popular as she was

744
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,519
with Bratt where she has been on the I say,

745
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,119
the sort of the forefront of like pushing pop music

746
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,119
into some experimental directions throughout periods like the twenty tens

747
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,760
and when she was working with PC Music and all

748
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,079
that kind of stuff, to suddenly be, you know, what

749
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,800
they might call a main pop girl around the time

750
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,519
of Bratton, you know, being so huge. I wonder how

751
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,800
much that might I don't know way on her, I suppose,

752
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,400
And this sort of has the feel of like I'm

753
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,480
not gonna put full stocking this because I don't think

754
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,079
it's like a I don't know, some people might call

755
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,679
it a bad on purpose track or something like that,

756
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,519
which I don't think it is. But there is something

757
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,480
almost like throwing a grenade into the midst of her

758
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,000
now much larger fan base about it, Like, you know,

759
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,400
when she says, you know, the dance floor is dead

760
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,119
and now we're making rock music. I don't think she

761
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,280
believes that, you know, I think she's just trying to

762
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,039
almost reinvent and shake something off for the sake of

763
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,480
it really, and because it is such a as I say,

764
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,199
the sort of strange you know, move the pieces around

765
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,280
in a dramatic way. There's a lot of takes, maybe

766
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,760
again from people on our side of the fence who

767
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,800
see a track called rock music and go what is this?

768
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:47,639
Where people have then come out and be like, oh

769
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,119
my god, this is like the worst song of the year,

770
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,320
like this is awful. My take is quite mild, like

771
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,280
the glitchy hook is kind of daft, and you know,

772
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,519
it's not great and I can't understand why that was

773
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,320
great on people. But the song around it, I think

774
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,360
is actually quite inoffensive. You know. I think that that

775
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,599
particular element being so jarring. It kind of goes back

776
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,119
to you know, when Vroom Room came out, a lot

777
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,199
of people hating it and that whole like you know,

778
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,199
hyper pop, when it was more underground, still basically PC

779
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,840
music type thing. People would listen to that and be like,

780
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
this is fucking unlistenable, what the hell's going on? And

781
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,639
now Vroom Room is like a fucking classic And I'm

782
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,320
not gonna say that's what gonna happen to this song.

783
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,559
But she has for a long time made songs and

784
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,280
you know, records that are quite jarring immediately to the

785
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,920
average person's ear, I suppose, and that has a bit

786
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,280
of that you know again compared to what Bratt was,

787
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,320
which was actually very listenable a lot of the time.

788
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:45,119
But then the rock music elements of this, I suppose,

789
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,079
because it's not fully embodying being rock. They do feel

790
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,960
quite cheaply put together. Like the guitar and the drums,

791
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,760
they do feel quite sort of stock and nath I suppose.

792
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,239
But like I said, I'm not convinced it's meant to

793
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,880
actually be music as much as that is the title

794
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,039
of it or feels a bit glib, and the fact

795
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,360
that it is like less than two minutes long, it

796
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,519
feels like it's something to get out there and sort

797
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,519
of shake the bushes up a bit before maybe going

798
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:12,000
and doing something else.

799
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, come at the song on its own terms. One

800
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,480
problem I do have with it is the drums, and

801
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,280
not even like, oh, they should have got Trey Cool

802
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,119
on it, because the drums are so far back in

803
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,519
the mix and they're so quiet and so basic and

804
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,280
nothing make that a beat that should be a dance beat.

805
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,760
Like That's my problem with it, like the drums completely

806
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,920
just make it sound so hollow, and yeah, it is

807
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,239
interesting sort of she's been placed alongside the Taylor Swifts

808
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,320
and whoever where. Nowadays there's such a focus on like

809
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,800
the era the next step are, Yeah, Taylor Swift's in

810
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,239
her Showgirl era or whatever. So there is this new

811
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,960
expectation on Charlie XX. And she's not an artist who's

812
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,840
ever moved like that. She's always thrown out a random

813
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
remix or thrown out a roundom ep like she just

814
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,760
does what she wants. She's not so much like And

815
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,679
now the random veiling of you know, it's brat.

816
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: Very much became that that's kind of her moment where

817
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,199
because it was such an anointed moment, it had that

818
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:20,920
sort of expectation on it, you know, and so she

819
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,480
had to announce like this is when it ended, like

820
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,760
I'm going to do something else now.

821
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think there is almost a golden element

822
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,760
of this song. It does sound like it's like not

823
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,159
like a piss take, but like it's it's trying to

824
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:39,199
be gaarish and it's trying to be annoying ruffle feathers. Yeah, yeah,

825
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,119
and that's fine whatever, like good for her. I'm sure

826
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,679
I'm not going to be less interested in whatever she

827
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,360
does next.

828
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, my thoughts on the song and

829
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,599
its quality are very mild for how extreme some of

830
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,400
the takes have been here. We are coming at this

831
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:00,239
from the perspective of like, yeah, we're both and to

832
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,480
at least you know, some areas of Charlie's music. But

833
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,360
we're speaking here on a rock podcast and sort of

834
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,840
going like, Okay, rock fans, how much if you've never

835
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,159
cared about Charlie ESX before, how much do you have

836
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,800
to care about this? And I would say not really,

837
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,000
not at all. Like the fact that it's called rock

838
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:17,840
music and it has like a bit of guitar in

839
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,159
it makes good headlines for rock publications basically because it's

840
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:23,920
one of the most talked about artists the last half

841
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,400
of years, you know, doing something that has, at least

842
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,440
on the surface, seemed to position itself in our vicinity.

843
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
But I don't think that's actually really the case. I

844
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,360
just think it's a strange quirk of an artist to

845
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,760
herself flits around a lot, and ultimately, you know, as

846
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,199
a fan of Charlie at CX, I think the theorizing

847
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,400
and the statement of this is more interesting than actually

848
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,280
listening to the song, which is, like I said, just

849
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,880
fine and occasionally a bit annoying, but you know, not

850
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,599
too much to get upset about really, But there you go.

851
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,800
Charlie ATCX rock Music. If the next record actually has

852
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,199
a pig destroyer feature on it, then we'll be back

853
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,320
and we will talk to you about it a little bit.

854
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,280
More tour news. Billy Corgan is doing a orchestral and

855
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,079
operatic tour of the Smashing Pumpkins album Melancholy of the

856
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,760
Infinite Sadness for its thirtieth anniversary, and it's gonna be

857
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,679
playing in London, Antwerp, Paris and Madrid later in this year.

858
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,400
You are a big Smashing Pumpkins fan. Do you have

859
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,320
any interest in watching Billy Corgan perform a orchestral version?

860
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,280
The fact that it's billed as Billy Corgan, it's not

861
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,880
the Smashing Pumpkins, it's Billy Corgan and an orchestra, I suppose,

862
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:28,840
I guess.

863
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,159
Speaker 2: I guess I would be. I just see the headline

864
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,440
and I think, yep, that's something Billy Corgan would do.

865
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,079
Speaker 1: Like that was my thought exactly as well. Yeah, very

866
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,679
very neutral on the whole enterprise, but it seems in character.

867
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it would be interested, Like he's a

868
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:51,840
he's an interesting bloke, it's very polite. Yeah, I'm sure.

869
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,480
I'm sure it'd be interesting, like the fact that it's

870
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,440
operatic as well as like is he doing operatic stuff

871
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:02,840
or is he just like conductor? Like how much involvement

872
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,639
vocally is he gonna have in this? That's what's interesting

873
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:07,119
about it.

874
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: I would imagine he will be singing his own vocal

875
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,239
lines on the record, but then there will also be

876
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,400
like perhaps a female lot per singer, you know, bouncing

877
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,000
off of it, which itself, the idea of let's be

878
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:22,400
real pretty shit singer Billy Corgan harmonizing with like some

879
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,360
incredible trained op pro singer on nineteen seventy nine sounds

880
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,760
like a mad idea, doesn't it.

881
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, I'm trying. I do want to see it.

882
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Curious over into twenty twenty seven, the fact that

883
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,960
we're getting twenty twenty seven tours and now it throws

884
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,320
me every time now because I'm like, that's like two

885
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,760
years away, but it's not. It's not two years away.

886
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,159
In January and February, a Morphis are going to be

887
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,599
doing a headline tour for their record Boardland that came

888
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,280
out like towards the end of last year. Support bill

889
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,679
for it is the Finnish melodic death metal band Insomnium,

890
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,679
so very in their wheelhouse again but also unto others

891
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:04,000
opening it, which unto others, are so like malleable in

892
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,000
who they tour with. It's incredible, like they'll they're a

893
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:11,280
gothic heavy metal band with almost no extreme elements I suppose,

894
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,519
but they will open for Behemoth and then they'll you know,

895
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:16,400
go and tour with Green Lung, which is maybe a

896
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,119
bit more of a sensible fit. And now they're back

897
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:20,400
with a MorphOS I think. I mean they're playing in

898
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,920
the UK. They're playing London and Manchester, and it's the

899
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,559
Forum in London and the Rits in Manchester, and the

900
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:29,880
fact that that was a venue that you know, the Rits,

901
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,519
and that might have been the Forum in London as well,

902
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,960
but certainly the Rits was like that's where they they

903
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,760
main supported when they were with Green Lung and now

904
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,199
they're back down to opening it for a MorphOS is

905
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,079
like a really like I just think, unto others, deserve

906
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,239
so much fucking better, you know what I mean, Like,

907
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,880
what have unto Ether's got to do to at least

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,679
fucking get back to main support in the Rits and

909
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,840
the Forum, if not headlining them, which they fucking should

910
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,880
be doing. But it's a good bill. I definitely I'll

911
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,840
be interested in, you know, hopefully seeing if I can

912
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,119
get out to it, because it is a good bill.

913
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,440
I haven't seen a MorphOS in ages, like over ten years,

914
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,239
I think, and I love a Morphis, but any tour

915
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,840
and to us has come around, and I will definitely

916
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,079
be like trying to make sure I can get there.

917
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not last the Morphous record is great. I'd be

918
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,199
really interested in going to this. Do you think it's

919
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,440
more of a case of not so much Unto Others

920
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:25,000
being bottom of the bill material rather than Insomnium have

921
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:28,840
to be main supported to Amorphous because that's obviously the

922
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,480
better fit.

923
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly. I think if it was a if it

924
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,559
were banned who are more closely aligned with unto Others

925
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,719
in the scenes that they run in, then yeah, I

926
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,320
imagine Ontwethers would be higher on the bill. It does

927
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,760
feel like a I mean, good on onto others like

928
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,559
the grind Right like they will go out and they

929
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,679
will support for and open for fucking anyone, and it

930
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,039
gives you access to see them, I suppose, which I

931
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,119
am annoyed at how little we've had headline access to

932
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,519
them over here. Basically it's almost always opening slots, and

933
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,639
I want to see you do more than eight songs,

934
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,559
you know what I mean, because they have a million

935
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:07,280
great ones, but yeah, really bizarre fit but ultimately a

936
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,280
good night, So you know January February that I'll be

937
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239
rolling around. If you are more of the hard core persuasion,

938
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,840
you're like a morphist. Who the fuck are they? Then?

939
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Guilt Trip, the you know upcoming hardcore band. They have

940
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,400
also got a quite large UK and European run and

941
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239
they are bringing a support bill with them that features

942
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,920
a judiciary Justice for the Damned, which is the name

943
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,440
I haven't heard in a little while, and then a

944
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,519
more recent name Long Goodbye, who are one of those

945
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,239
you can tell from their logo they're one of those

946
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,480
like you know, late nineties Circle the millennium metalcore revival

947
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,559
type bands, but they're pretty good at that. So it's

948
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,119
a moshy bill for sure, Like I see Judiciary kind

949
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,480
of coming back as over as well, So if you

950
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,000
want to go and swing your fists, then that's the

951
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,519
place to do it. And if you are American and

952
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,400
you're like, oh my god, I can't believe Bringing the

953
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,760
Horizon will be playing Count Your Blessings in the country

954
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,559
that they are from rather than over here, then you

955
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,360
have a date as well. Furnace Fest twenty six, which

956
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,800
has announced a whole load a band onto its lineup,

957
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,639
all of the metalcore and metallic hardcore post article sort

958
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,280
of persuasion, but one of those dates is going to

959
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,679
be headlined by Bringing the Horizon performing another Count Your

960
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,159
Blessings date. The outbreak thing is mad enough, but Bring

961
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,960
the Horizon headlining a US festival playing the record with

962
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,559
I used to make Up with Meduca on it is

963
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,639
fucking daft. What a stupid world we're living in.

964
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: Not that many of you can like that album that much.

965
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,199
I'm sorry.

966
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,119
Speaker 1: We spoke all about an album club and we made

967
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,000
maybe the case for why it does have a place

968
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:41,239
in history, but not that many people certainly over there

969
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,559
going to be into it. But there you go. That

970
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:48,280
is the news over on the live department. Speaking of

971
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,480
the album Club pac that is one of the more

972
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,159
recent things that we have over on the that's not

973
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,559
a Patreon right now. That Patreon is the best way

974
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,320
to support us. If you enjoy what we do here

975
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,480
every week and you want to know how to help

976
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:03,920
keep us afloat, then the absolute best way of doing

977
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840
so is to go over and subscribe to the Patreon,

978
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,920
which we don't ask for for nothing because in return

979
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
we give you hours and hours and hours of extra

980
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,920
and in depth content. The album Club Pack featuring Count

981
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Your Blessings. It also featured Kaladan Brood. It featured Rollo

982
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,079
to Massy Future, Municipal Waste with a lot of fun

983
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,320
to do. Our next thing that we are going to

984
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,360
be working on over the next week is the second

985
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,400
part of our Corn in Depth Band Special, where we

986
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,760
are currently in the midst of going through and reviewing

987
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,679
essentially every single Corn record that has ever been made

988
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,320
and giving an overview of their career. The first part

989
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,840
we covered obviously their origins and the birth of the

990
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,880
new metal movement. The next part that we are going

991
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,079
to moving to next week is going to be about

992
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,280
the peak of the mainstream success of the new metal

993
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,840
movement overall, but of course Korn's place as part. That's

994
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,679
all well, be looking to records like Follow the Leader

995
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,559
and Issues and Untouchables, and it's going to be a

996
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,960
pretty good time, I think so. Patron dot com slash

997
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,880
That's Not Metal is the place to hear that. Otherwise,

998
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,320
if you want to help us out, it means other

999
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,599
than just financial support over the Patreon. It would be

1000
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,960
lovely as well if you could go and leave us

1001
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,719
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1002
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1003
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,039
whatever that might be, because that does help worm our

1004
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:22,920
way into the algorithms I suppose and get put in

1005
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,639
front of more people. So thank you very much to

1006
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,400
everybody who chooses to do so. Let us end today

1007
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,480
with the releases for the fifteenth of May twenty twenty six.

1008
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,159
First up on the release roundup Periphery back with an

1009
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,639
album called A Pale White Dot Mark. How are you

1010
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,840
on the most recent periphery material?

1011
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: I love Hailstan from twenty nineteen whatever. The follow up

1012
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,599
was from twenty twenty three. I like a bit less,

1013
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,119
but I still really like it. I had no idea

1014
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,360
this was coming out, and I'm like of people on

1015
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,559
this podcast. The biggest periphery firm. It's just completely not

1016
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,320
that I'm the most plugged in guy, I guess, but

1017
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,760
I don't know. It's weird that it's just snuck by

1018
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,440
under my radar. I'm excited to listen to it, like

1019
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,840
I love Periphery, but there seems to be no chatter

1020
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,360
around this.

1021
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, genuine This week I was thinking the releases. I

1022
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,840
was like, what's coming out? Just jungle rock, right, just

1023
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,519
jungle Rot of all the bands, jungle rock. But then

1024
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,360
saying Periphery was like, oh fuck, like actually, like you

1025
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,199
know really bit of course, you know, tech metal trendset

1026
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,679
of type bands. I had a brief flirtation with being

1027
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,320
into Periphery around the three album, and then I quite

1028
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,960
quickly realized that I wasn't actually that into And I

1029
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,400
remember the last album, which we reviewed, being slightly exhausting.

1030
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,199
But maybe this one will be a little bit more

1031
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,119
to the point, perhaps a pale white dot by Periphery

1032
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,280
into the pop punk world. The All American Rejects are

1033
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,719
back with an album called Sandbox. Same question mark, how

1034
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,760
are you on the modern day goings on of the

1035
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,840
All American Rejects?

1036
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Well, there is not. This is the first record since

1037
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,679
twenty twelve.

1038
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 1: This is the big comeback.

1039
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: Parent, you're not absolutely pump in your fist, well, I'll

1040
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:12,440
leave that to you. I mean, you know, there's a

1041
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:14,920
pop punk band in the modern day. How excited could

1042
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,960
you possibly be? But I did hear a song from

1043
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
this a couple of weeks ago and it was horrid.

1044
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,800
So that's exciting, all right?

1045
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,679
Speaker 1: Good If you are maybe a little bit more up

1046
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,719
to date in your pop punk interests, then you know

1047
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,920
newer bands. There's a band called Super Sometimes with an

1048
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,199
album called Show the World What's Underneath. That's that on

1049
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,840
Pure Noise, which is where a lot of the modern

1050
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,840
you know, kind of hypie pop punk stuff emerges from,

1051
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,719
so sure there'll be some interest there. Then there is

1052
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,960
a band called Held with an album called Gray. This

1053
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,639
is a post hardcore band. It features Josh Eppard from

1054
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,480
Cohiedon Cambria is one of the members of this, So

1055
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,559
you know, go forth and investigate there if that sounds

1056
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,599
like that's your area. Von Groove, which I had to

1057
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,199
include just because they're a band called Von Groove. This

1058
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,519
is also a long awaited come back like twenty years

1059
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,960
or something, you know, sort of a nineties two thousand's

1060
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:05,920
radio rock band, I suppose, but Von Groove with their

1061
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,840
album Born to Rock is the name of it. Big

1062
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,000
words there, But there you go. Pro Pane, who are

1063
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,400
a long going sort of you know, hardcore and crossover

1064
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,039
thrash band. They have got an album out called Stone

1065
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,519
Cold Anger Mark you and nodding are you a Propane fan?

1066
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: There was a pay ten years ago. I can't remember

1067
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,320
the name of it anything about it. I just remember

1068
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,480
listening to a pro Pain album a few times and

1069
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:33,119
being like, this is fucking sick.

1070
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Ye fair enough. They do seem like one of those

1071
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,719
you know, does what says in the ten fairly likable

1072
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,920
type bands in the vein of you know, perhaps Buyer

1073
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,800
Hazard and that kind of world of things. There you go.

1074
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:48,280
Then the eighties UK thrash metal band Acid Rain are

1075
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,880
back with days of the Week spelt as in oh

1076
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,199
I'm in a daze because there they're punny guys. I

1077
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
remember their last album, The Age of Entitlement, had one

1078
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,000
of the most horrid album covers I've ever seen in

1079
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,480
my life, Like It Lives in My Me is one

1080
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,440
of the very worst album covers and title combos. I

1081
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,880
suppose that you can imagine this one. I suppose is

1082
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,920
at least better than that. So there you go the

1083
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,280
massive record of the week. Of course, as I'm saying,

1084
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,760
Jungle Rots, a very reliable, decent, very long running US

1085
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,320
death metal band, you know, groovy kind of Meat and Potatoes,

1086
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,320
does what it saysn't it in but you know, satisfying.

1087
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,440
Their album Cruel Face of War is out. If you

1088
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,360
want death metal of a slightly more underground stripe, then

1089
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,760
there is a band at a Norway called a ned

1090
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,840
Gravd or the day album called Ascension, And this is

1091
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,199
like really like old school a cult Norwegian death metal,

1092
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,280
by which I mean it kind of sounds like the

1093
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,519
stuff that was coming out of Norway before the black

1094
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:45,000
metal scene took over, so as big like Thou Shalt Suffer,

1095
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,000
which is the like pre Emperor death metal band, or

1096
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,480
like the earliest Dark Throne demos. Like if you're that

1097
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,320
kind of goblin into like early you know, turn of

1098
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,760
the nineties Norwegian death metal, then this, you know, newer

1099
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,760
band of youngsters might be floating your boat with Ascension

1100
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,400
then into the doom metal world very much like gothic

1101
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,840
doom metal of in the Vein of My Dying Bride

1102
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,840
and Your abands at Traconi and stuff like that. There's

1103
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,840
a band called akem Mana with Threnedes and then finally

1104
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,639
from Scotland, there is the band Tyrannus with a record

1105
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,360
called Mornhold who are like a kind of your black

1106
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,199
metal tinges of black thrash. That type of thing features

1107
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Alistair Dunn from Ashenspire on the drums on this record.

1108
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,360
That's the vibe. I'll be checking that one out Tyrannus

1109
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,880
with Mornhold out today. That is a lot. Thank you

1110
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,920
very much for joining us and being with us here.

1111
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,639
If you saw the Iron Maiden documentary Burning Ambition, what

1112
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,360
with your take on it? Do you have any thoughts

1113
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,840
beyond what we said about it earlier and those singles

1114
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,199
that we discussed from Green Lung to Charlie CX. Of course,

1115
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,719
what's your take? We will return next week. Between now

1116
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,840
and then we will return with the second part of

1117
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,599
the Corn Special running down all of their records over

1118
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,480
on the Patreon. So join us there if you are

1119
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,840
so inclined, and we will. Yeah, we'll see you around.

1120
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:58,360
By everyone.