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<v Speaker 1>A dream for many people today is finding a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of land, often a beautiful, secluded place to call home,

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<v Speaker 1>to get away from the ever growing, faster pace of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Each and every one of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>share this dream have their own reasons for it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Weaver family was no different when they bought their

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<v Speaker 1>twenty acre dream property. However, as time unfolded, this dream

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<v Speaker 1>property would become a home of a nightmare shootout as

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<v Speaker 1>a group of military men slowly infiltrated their lives and

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<v Speaker 1>open fire. This is the story of Ruby Ridge.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The following.

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<v Speaker 1>More mature audience listener discretion. The holiday season is over

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<v Speaker 1>and it's officially twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild, Oh happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to like force that out of Nicole. I

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<v Speaker 1>was pointing at it for a minute. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little bit I have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a cold, and so I was just like not present.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea what the freak was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when someone says it's the new year, generally it's

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<v Speaker 1>foiled up with a happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, generally, I suppose I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was giving you that opportunity and you just like gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a sar. You guys won't know the awkwardness that

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<v Speaker 1>happened because it was so awkward and blank that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be editing it. But it was just silence

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<v Speaker 1>for like thirty seconds. Is Nicole stared at me and

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<v Speaker 1>I silently tried to give her hints to say happy new.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Okay, I should be in bed. It

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<v Speaker 2>should be clearly bear with me, please, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Should be in bed too. I've been just working my

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<v Speaker 1>ass off today non stop.

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<v Speaker 2>You have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've done good, But that's besides the point. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys don't want to hear stories of working her butts off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's no fun.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you want to hear stories of true crime and

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<v Speaker 1>stories of people being assholes to people, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Because other people, because they suck to humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>To humanity. Yeah, and some people are getting a little

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<v Speaker 1>extra of those stories. Are our patrons so over on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon this week we had Julianne I'm sorry, Julian Santos

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<v Speaker 1>and Michelle Smith both sign up. They're getting extra episodes

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, all that good stuff over around Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to sign up? Link is down below.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't, Hey, that's totally cool. You're here. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thank you so much. And do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to just drop what episode we just dropped for our patrons?

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly can. It was the murder of Kimberly Kates.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a doozy. That one's a doozy. Yeah, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode here that you're about to listen to as

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<v Speaker 1>a doozy too, but just in a whole other sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That one was just murderous and what the fuck? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one's more like conspiracy sort of situation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still trust me, this is a wild ride

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<v Speaker 1>this one today too. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have a bunch of other stuff that we

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<v Speaker 1>got to talk about, particularly some of the stuff going

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<v Speaker 1>on over in our YouTube because Wicked and Grim will

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<v Speaker 1>soon be in video form over on our YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 1>so you will be able to not only listen to

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast every Tuesday, but in the days following it,

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<v Speaker 1>we will then upload a video form of it so

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch us behind the scenes in our tiny

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<v Speaker 1>home do it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Our reactions to what is going on, Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cool but also kind of sad because, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, half the time when we're recording, I literally

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<v Speaker 2>look like I am a homeless person, so do I

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like I have to at least like

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<v Speaker 2>put a bra on and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, you're good, They're good. I don't think people care

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<v Speaker 1>what we look like. They just want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the part of being there because I know, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being honest, I think part of our podcast is like,

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<v Speaker 1>we like you guys to feel like you're sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>having a drink, talking or chatting with us. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>if we put it in video form I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to add to that experience even more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I didn't say I was gonna get all dulled up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna put up brall on.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, isn't that getting dulled up. We also

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<v Speaker 1>had some pretty cool stuff going over on YouTube. In

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<v Speaker 1>preparation for starting to post, we did a vlogness, which

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we I think we ended up getting fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>or so videos we wanted to get like the whole month,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean it was still a win because We

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<v Speaker 2>went fourteen more videos than we usually do in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Month exactly, so that's a win. Yeah, it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You should go check those videos out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is look up a Wicked Life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where we'll be uploading everything. If you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to look it up, hey, link is in the description

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast right here.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>With all of that being said, are you ready? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the Ruby Ridge Incident?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you are.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a song. I resisted every urge to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Singing, what What's what?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're ready for this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, I don't think you're ready. Fold this My

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<v Speaker 1>body too delicious, your babe? Was that the song you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? Yeah, I don't think you are ready for this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will forewarn everyone. This is a two parter.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first part to the Ruby Ridge

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<v Speaker 1>Incident because there is a whole slew if honestly, if

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<v Speaker 1>we did like a serious deep dive on this, we

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<v Speaker 1>could probably have like a five six seven part serials.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a massive thing, really, because there's allegations left,

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<v Speaker 1>right and center. He said, she said this isn't true,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is like, it's wow, it is a wild

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. A lot of it is like circumstantial or

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<v Speaker 1>it's allegations and there's no real evidence for it. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just, yeah, I'm trying to stick to all the

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<v Speaker 1>facts on this one. There are some situations where we

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<v Speaker 1>have to go with like the allegation stuff for what

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<v Speaker 1>certain people claimed how it happened, because we just have

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<v Speaker 1>no other way to go, so we just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go with the most accepted route of that story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fair, but we are sticking with as much of

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<v Speaker 1>the facts as we can in this. So with all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you ready for it, I'm ready, Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start the Ruby Ridge incident.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Ridge is a place that is situated in the

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<v Speaker 1>south southernmost section of a group of ridges extending east

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bottleneck Slash Roman Nose Mountain Range towards the

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<v Speaker 1>Cootney River. Caribou Ridge lies to the north, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Creek draining the area between them. Now, the term

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Ridge was coined by the press to describe the

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<v Speaker 1>events that transpired on the property situated on Caribou Ridge

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<v Speaker 1>in the Boundary County of Idaho. This location is approximately

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes, sorry, thirty miles south of the Canadian border

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<v Speaker 1>of British Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm not gonna lie, but I thought Ruby Ridge

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<v Speaker 2>was a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Noe, Ruby Ridge is a location. Okay, yeah, most certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a location. Now, this story encompasses an individual by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Randy Weaver. Now. Randy was born in Velliska,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio in nineteen forty eight, and he had a unique

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<v Speaker 1>life journey. After graduating high school in nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>he initially enrolled in community college and met his future wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Vicki Jordison, despite successfully completing a Green Beret training, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a division of a particular badass special forces in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Military in preparation for deployment in Vietnam. So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>just to clarify, Green Berets are like some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most badass special forces like in the world. Like they

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<v Speaker 1>are badass. Like that's all I can say to describe them,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're fucking badass. Like these are the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guys that like sneak up on dudes in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night and like slice them open and keep

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<v Speaker 1>going on with like not even the thought, like the mission.

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<v Speaker 2>So really like laser focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Like their machines. So he successfully completed that Green Beret

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<v Speaker 1>training and Randy was stationed in Fort Bragg, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>and was discharged in nineteen seventy one without ever seeing combat. Okay, yeah, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in that same year as his discharge, Randy married the

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<v Speaker 1>love of his life, Vicki, and the couple settled in

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<v Speaker 1>Cedar Falls, Iowa. Due to financial constraints, Randy dropped out

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<v Speaker 1>of Northern Iowa University and the couple worked various odd

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<v Speaker 1>jobs to make ends meet, which I think is rather relatable,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in today's society and all the increase in prices

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the cost of living is outrageous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild. Now. Throughout their life, Randy and Vicki Weaver

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<v Speaker 1>maintained a close relationship with their spiritual beliefs, referring to

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<v Speaker 1>God as yahweah or yawe. I'm not sure how you

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce that exactly. I'm assuming maybe yahwe but either way,

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<v Speaker 1>and studying the Bible nightly. In the nineteen seventies, influenced

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<v Speaker 1>by the Arab Israeli War, they were beginning to become

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that a biblical doomsday and prophecies were unfolding, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon the end of the world would be coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's like terrifying, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine actually thinking, for one reason or another,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's religious beliefs or just personal beliefs, that the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the world is legitimately coming.

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<v Speaker 2>That you've convinced yourself that. I mean, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>there's enough stresses in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather live in ignorance where I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>it coming, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like over I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, at least that way I can just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss right, So yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 1>Vicki actually even shared a reoccurring dream with Randy, one

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<v Speaker 1>where she had been envisioning a mountaintop retreat where their

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<v Speaker 1>family would be safe and the impending evil of the apocalypse. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This dream and belief led the Weavers to plan for

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<v Speaker 1>their future, with Randy acquiring weapons they deemed necessary for

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<v Speaker 1>family protection during the apocalypse or armageddon. Right in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two, the Weavers welcomed their third child, Rachel, and

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<v Speaker 1>the following year they sold their possessions and home and

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<v Speaker 1>began seeking guidance from the Amish community on living without electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>They then purchased twenty acres of land on the now

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<v Speaker 1>known Ruby Ridge area of northern Idaho and built a

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<v Speaker 1>rudimentary cabin without electricity or running water. Here they began

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<v Speaker 1>their life in the wilds of the mountain, and Vicki

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<v Speaker 1>homeschooled their children, a practice that was actually a violation

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<v Speaker 1>of law in Idaho.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So that they're like going full out into the wild

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<v Speaker 1>on top of this like mountainous ridge and just they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, the thought of living without like electricity

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<v Speaker 2>and water. I mean I get electricity in a sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but water, like, gosh, that seems so difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can last probably twice as long without

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so you're sure about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe eighteen sixteen somewhere in there. I need the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>I love me some memes, you sure do. Plus, how

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, over time, the Weavers integrated themselves into the

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<v Speaker 1>local community as well, it's in the surrounding area, even

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<v Speaker 1>taking in a troubled teenager into their home by the

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Life in their home was mostly smooth for the Weavers,

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<v Speaker 1>but perfection took a hit in nineteen eighty four when

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Weaver and his neighbor Terry Kinnison found themselves in

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<v Speaker 1>a dispute over three thousand, eight three thousand dollars land deal. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>after losing the subsequent lawsuit, Terry was ordered to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the Weavers an additional twenty one hundred dollars in court

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<v Speaker 1>costs and damages, which of course soured the relationship at

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I guess, especially back then, that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this is eighty four. Yeah, so we're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>He owed them a total of five thousand, one hundred dollars. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that's probably somewhere in the vicinity of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that that's significant for sure. Now, in the

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<v Speaker 1>aftermath of this math of this dispute, Terry allegedly took

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<v Speaker 1>revenge on writing letters to the FBC or the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>the Secret Service, and the county sheriff accusing Randy Weaver

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<v Speaker 1>of threatening to kill Pope John Paul the Second, oh

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<v Speaker 1>President Ronald Reagan, and Idaho Governor John V.

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<v Speaker 2>Evans seriously just making up this shit allegedly, Okay, okay, allegedly,

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<v Speaker 2>but still that's some that's some allegations right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, and these are serious allegations that would prompt some

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Now this led to an investigation launched by the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI and the Secret Service in January of nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five into the claims of threats against these officials. So

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<v Speaker 1>launching an investigation into the claims of these threats. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>these claims and threats existed, Yeah, for one reason or another, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they existed. These claims that he was threatening these individuals

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, gosh, I mean, it's not really something

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<v Speaker 2>they can let go, I suppose. But then also that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of scary that someone can just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, slander only goes so far too right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we see that today on the internet cancel culture

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. There's people out there who like

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<v Speaker 1>try to cancel in individuals who it's like they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually do anything. You need some fucking evidence to do

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<v Speaker 1>some shit, totally. It's a matter of if you jump

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<v Speaker 1>on the bandwagon and make the assumptions, you need the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what the FBI and Secret Services were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were looking in to see if there was some

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<v Speaker 1>Now, on February twelfth that same year, Randy and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife underwent interviews with two FBI agents, two Secret Service agents,

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<v Speaker 1>and a Boundary County sheriff and his chief investigator. The

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service had been informed that Randy was also associated

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<v Speaker 1>with Aryan Nations, which was a white supremacist terrorist organization

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<v Speaker 1>and had substantial weapons cached at a residents and or property.

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<v Speaker 1>Randy denied these allegations and no charges were filed by

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<v Speaker 1>the government. Now, while the investigation was going on, it

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<v Speaker 1>was revealed that the Weavers had in fact actually attended

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<v Speaker 1>the Aryan Nations meeting at Hate Lake. Randy clarified this

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<v Speaker 1>though he clarified that he and his associate, Frank Kumnik,

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<v Speaker 1>were not members, but acknowledged that Frank had an affiliation

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<v Speaker 1>with other reported similar groups like the Covenant, the Sword

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<v Speaker 1>and the Arm and the Lord. So he's associated with

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<v Speaker 1>these groups by proxy sort of thing, not actually being

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<v Speaker 1>within them, okay, but he did in fact attend meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's got some friends and associates within these groups. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in a proactive move, the Weavers actually filed a legal

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<v Speaker 1>affid David with the County Courtroom on February twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>alleging that their personal enemies were plotting to incite the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI into attacking and killing their family. Basically, what that

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<v Speaker 1>means is they went to the court and filed a

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<v Speaker 1>legal document with these statements saying that these people have

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<v Speaker 1>the these people trying to do this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's kind of on record, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Recorded, documented, can be used in court evidence if something occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a legal thing that is filed away. So right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have to have reason who I can't

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly do it. But right now, if I go

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<v Speaker 1>to the court and say my wife is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>And then a week or a month later, I die

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<v Speaker 1>mysteriously and they think it's you. They can use that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's evidence against you in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean that's good that they did this.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, oh definitely yeah. Now, later on May sixth, the

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<v Speaker 1>Weavers also sent a letter a letter to President Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that their adversaries might have sent him a threatening

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<v Speaker 1>letter under a forged signature, although no evidence of such

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<v Speaker 1>a letter ever emerged. Now to worse than the view

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<v Speaker 1>of the Weavers on the public and the government view.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen eighties, media coverage began highlighting militia

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<v Speaker 1>groups in the Northwest. The stories often featured footage of

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<v Speaker 1>families and camouflage engaging in military style drills with weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>and the media portrayed these groups as radical right wing

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<v Speaker 1>extremists seeking to overthrow the government, eliciting fear and anger

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<v Speaker 1>from the public and prompting calls for congressional action. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not true, whether anyone believed it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly would have planted a bit of a seed

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<v Speaker 1>in the mind of some and could have played a

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<v Speaker 2>H Okay, this I think you said mentioned this case

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<v Speaker 2>is quite different. It makes you really they have to

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<v Speaker 2>use your nogain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the rabbit holes after rabbit after rabbit holes on

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<v Speaker 1>this and you can go for days on it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a major sort of conspiracy type thing with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, my gears are turning. Just listen in here.

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<v Speaker 1>So where is your head right now in this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I don't even know if you can ask

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough, I mean, well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, I think we need I need to hear

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more once.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at the end of this episode. Then maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk on our thoughts and positions and see

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<v Speaker 1>where we are. So the next up, the involvement of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also known and

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<v Speaker 1>how it referred to him from here on out ATF

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<v Speaker 1>marked a crucial phase in this narrative. So the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>and the ATF initiated operations to infiltrate militia groups, assess

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<v Speaker 1>potential threats, and apprehend individuals engaged in illegal activities. So

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<v Speaker 1>groups such as what Randy had mentioned earlier, groups that

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<v Speaker 1>he had ties to groups that they suspected him to

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<v Speaker 1>be involved in. Right now, Agent Herb Burley, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is how you say his name. Agent Herb Burley,

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<v Speaker 1>operating as underco as Keith Fadely, established contact with Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Weaver and cultivated a friendship under his new guys. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite Randy not being a member of the targeted groups,

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<v Speaker 1>the agent singled him out due to his respected the

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<v Speaker 1>respect he commanded within his lifestyle and his connections. So

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<v Speaker 1>over time, Randy actually developed trust with his undercover we'll

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<v Speaker 1>call him Kenneth, viewing him as a friend and someone

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<v Speaker 1>he could actually trust, to say the least. The agent

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly doing his job well and seeing the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>he finally asked if Randy could sell him some shotguns

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<v Speaker 1>with illegal modifications. He wanted two sought off shotguns to

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<v Speaker 1>be specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So this is all he's baiting them as.

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<v Speaker 2>What he's doing. It's kind of sad really, because here

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks he's a new little bestie and really it's

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<v Speaker 2>not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't. I think it's bullshit. How authorities

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they have a relationship, and like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the friend is probably being like telling him why he

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna want to help his friend. That's what you do,

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<v Speaker 2>you help your friends out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I think there's a moral thing going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, I just don't think it's fair

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<v Speaker 1>that authorities do that. And I'm going to read a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more here before I really delve into why

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<v Speaker 1>I think that. But anyways, Randy initially resisted and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to sell anything like that to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Randy eventually succumbed to the persistent requests from his friend,

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<v Speaker 1>who claimed to be in dire need of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently he sold him the two sought off shotguns.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So Randy didn't want to sell them to.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he didn't at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He needed money, Yeah, his friend needed money. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not too sure exactly what the situation he's saying is

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<v Speaker 1>going to do. Maybe rob a bank, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But Randy went has these two very legal shotguns and

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<v Speaker 1>sawed them off because his friend wanted him that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and then sold them to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes. So I think that's almost just setting someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Off that is. I think that's baiting totally. I think

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<v Speaker 1>an individual who's undercovered like that could be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of something. Maybe he's trying to get this guy for

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<v Speaker 1>selling illegal guns. If he can get him to legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>sell a legal firearm to someone else and be there

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<v Speaker 1>for it or have evidence of it, I totally think

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean he had to like be very persuasive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe Randy would never have sold any illegal firearms

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<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't for the officer in the first place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. Maybe the officer is what enlisted him

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<v Speaker 1>to do an illegal activity in the first place, and

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<v Speaker 1>he never had otherwise. We don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Jesus, which love that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I think is greasy. I think it's baiting, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think should be illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyways, as a result, criminal charges were filed against

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Weaver eight months after the gun transaction in October

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty nine. However, Randy was presented with a

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<v Speaker 1>these groups, the charges would be dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, you almost wonder if that was just their

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<v Speaker 1>Then, Oh, I guarantee it was. They're essentially blackmail. Yeah,

428
00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're doing.

429
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this just seems so dirty.

430
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, despite facing the prospect of imprisonment, Randy refused

431
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>to betray someone that he considered a friend and flat

432
00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:40.839
<v Speaker 1>out declined the offer.

433
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Huh that's uh, that's interesting.

434
00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Hey, to me, that shows Randy has better morals than

435
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:49.519
<v Speaker 1>the FBI.

436
00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.279
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, It really shows as true colors and this character.

437
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, I'm not saying that Randy's a perfect individual,

438
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong. I mean, he has affiliates with

439
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:04.319
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic groups. It's questionable at best, But at least

440
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>he's willing to stick up for a friend.

441
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he totally is.

442
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Even went his own necks on the.

443
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Line, and even when he was portrayed by a so

444
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>called friend. Right.

445
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, six months pass before a warrant was issued

446
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 1>for Randy's arrest on the gun charges, but federal agents

447
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>hesitated to apprehend him at his home, deeming he was

448
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.720
<v Speaker 1>too risky due to the families perceived readiness to resist.

449
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.400
<v Speaker 1>And I mean he had firearms apparently, as far as

450
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the FBI knew, on his property. Because he's selling legal

451
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 1>firearms and saw off shotguns. Remember right now, I mean

452
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to be fair, he does have firearms at his property.

453
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that doesn't mean that he's going to just

454
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>like start shooting people.

455
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, they instead began to try and get creative

456
00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>as means to once again ensnare Randy. So what they

457
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 1>did they had agents pose as stranded motorists and when

458
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 1>they set up a bait on the side of the

459
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.559
<v Speaker 1>road where Randy would be driving by, they had him

460
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 1>stop and try and assist them because they're stranded motorists, right,

461
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>they're stranded, their vehicles broke down sort of thing. When

462
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 1>he stopped, they arrested them.

463
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:19.160
<v Speaker 2>That seems so bizarre. I don't know, this just seems

464
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>so weirdless that one.

465
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>To me doesn't seem like entrapment, because it's it's like, hey,

466
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>you're wanted. This is just a means to get you. Yeah,

467
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I have no problem with that one person.

468
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I don't necessarily a problem with it, but

469
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 2>it just seems like it's so weird like that they're

470
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.279
<v Speaker 2>just like it's like they're afraid of him, you know.

471
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they definitely are. They're afraid of what could happen.

472
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, not only because of what he could do,

473
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>but they he's got kids and stuff too, right at

474
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>his home. So I mean, if they're going to open fire,

475
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>he opened fire. Maybe he's one as a hostage, or

476
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.799
<v Speaker 1>who knows what happens, maybe they mistake him for one

477
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 1>of his kids and shoot a kid. Like there could

478
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>be innocent lives that play here. Yeah, so I can

479
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>totally understand that. So Randy went and appeared before a

480
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>judge who found probable cause for a trial and released

481
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 1>him on a few conditions you know, parole right, including

482
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 1>returning to court for the trial. However, the judge misled

483
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Randy by threatening false claims that he would have to

484
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 1>surrender his home, land en truck if he was convicted

485
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in court. So it's like, yeah, you got to come

486
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>back for your trial, and just so you know, if

487
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you're convicted, you're losing your property, everything's gone.

488
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>So then his family is just like fuck fucked.

489
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

490
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

491
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>The trial was initially set for February nineteenth, on nineteen

492
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, but Randy's parole officer mistakenly told him the

493
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.559
<v Speaker 1>trial instead was scheduled for March twentieth of nineteen ninety one.

494
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.519
<v Speaker 1>As a result, Randy Weaver failed to appear on the

495
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>appointed court date, marking him as a fugitive in the

496
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>eye of the United States Marshall Service or USMS, who

497
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>was now responsible for arresting in him in now Yes,

498
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 1>he's a fugitive who did not show up for his

499
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 1>court date when he was told otherwise.

500
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Does I feel like this guy has like the worst

501
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>of luck?

502
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, I think so too, definitely. So, I mean

503
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the situation he's in, unfortunately, but he's.

504
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 2>To live his life.

505
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's just like, I'm going to buy twenty acres

506
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere and just do my own

507
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 1>business and then people are like, we're your business now, bitch,

508
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like just sticking their nose in that.

509
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

510
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>So, despite being considered a fugitive, Randy now remain hold

511
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>up in his remote home, adamantly declaring his intent to

512
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>resist any attempt for them to apprehend him or remove him. Forcibly, see,

513
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Randy was known for his intense distrust in the government,

514
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure we can understand why, especially at this point,

515
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>and the suspicions were compounding over time. This may have

516
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.039
<v Speaker 1>played a role in his reluctance to appear for another

517
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 1>trial as he grew increasingly suspicious of the government and

518
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>his lawyer and any other law enforcement that was involved

519
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in this whatsoever. He's basically thinking that they're trying to

520
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.799
<v Speaker 1>conspire against him, which I mean, he has every right

521
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to think. So he was set up by them originally.

522
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 1>He was then blackmailed by them and turned them down.

523
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Then he went to court and was threatened by the judge,

524
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and then also his court date was told to him wrong,

525
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 1>and then he was a fugitive because he didn't show

526
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 1>up to the court date that he was told was

527
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 1>a different date. Yeah, sounds like a conspiracy to me. Yeah,

528
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 1>And it's really easy to look at that and think

529
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a conspiracy.

530
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You would really be questioning a lot of things, like

531
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't blame that.

532
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he was convinced that attending the trial would

533
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>guarantee him we're not sorry, guarantee fair judgment. Specifically, he

534
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>was now under the impression for the judge like, hey,

535
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>losing his property, his wife can be homeless, kids might

536
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.759
<v Speaker 1>be taken away, whatever. And despite eighteen months passing with

537
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Randy still sitting in his home without government intervention. The

538
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 1>ATF had initiated surveillance shortly after his court missed date.

539
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 1>So what this meant They had employed video cameras, aerial photography,

540
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and even sophisticated audio system throughout Weaver's property, including speakers

541
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.839
<v Speaker 1>under his kitchen floor, to spy on him at all

542
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>times and whenever they wanted. How how what do you mean? Hell?

543
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>How do they do this?

544
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It's the government? Okay, I'm pretty sure they got bugs

545
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 1>in everything right now. They track us in our phones

546
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and stuff at all times. You can't tell me that

547
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 1>we're not tracked on our phones. Google tracks us. How

548
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>can the government not be? If they want to know

549
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 1>where we are, they can pay us in an instant. Cool, Sorry,

550
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I told you this whole conspiracy stuff here. No shit,

551
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sitting here saying that the FBI is watching

552
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>us every second of the day. But if they want

553
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to know where we are and what they're doing, I

554
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>guarantee they can fucking know. Probably yep, Alexa will spill

555
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>her guts and heartbeats.

556
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I know. Hey.

557
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's basically what they had. They had, like cameras,

558
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>audio equipment, all this surveilling his property available to them

559
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>whenever they needed. The marshals contemplated and discarded several plans

560
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to try and arrest Randy Weaver. They have all this

561
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>equipment watching them, listening, and they're trying to use it

562
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>to their advantage to figure out how they can get them. Now,

563
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of their ideas range from cutting the water

564
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>line that they had because hey, as we already talked, yeah,

565
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>water's pretty important, right.

566
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Is this legal? May I just ask? Or doesn't matter?

567
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>It's the government.

568
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, it's the government. But also that's a

569
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 1>lot of the reasons why they're not doing some of

570
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>these things. One of the reasons that they one of

571
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the things they wanted to do they wanted to capture

572
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 1>his daughter, Sarah. Yeah, so listen to this, Sarah, the

573
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>eldest daughter. Their plan was during her menstrual cycle because

574
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 1>they had a designated quote birthing shed. Now, this is

575
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a whole other thing. I'm not going to get too

576
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>into it, but this is where one of the family

577
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 1>members who when they were experiencing their period, would go

578
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 1>to the shed during the course of the period. Basically

579
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>because of extreme beliefs. It wasn't meant as a form

580
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>of punishment as far as I can read, it was

581
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 1>more just for isolation purposes. But that's besides the point.

582
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Let's just leave it at that. When they had their

583
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>period the time of the month, they would go in

584
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>this shed for the duration, then come back in the

585
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>house afterwards. So when she was on her when she

586
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>was menstruating, they're like, she's going to be in the shed,

587
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 1>and the objective is to apprehend one of the children.

588
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>When they were bringing Sarah some food, compelling Randy to

589
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 1>finally surrender, right, This was the grand plan. However, they

590
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>don't have an arrest warrant for Sarah. That's just straight

591
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>up kidnapping, no kidding, which is yea, that crime is

592
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>harsher than selling an illegal firearm. No kidding, you're kidnapping

593
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a human.

594
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 2>A kid, Yeah, away from the family.

595
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I think it's pretty clear why they didn't

596
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 1>go through with that plan. But eventually the ATF formulated

597
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 1>a reconnaissance mission plan with agents dressing in full combat

598
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>gear to close in on the Weaver's property. Now, I

599
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 1>feel it's important to mention that all the authorities were

600
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>aware of something here. The marshals observed that Randy and

601
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 1>his family responded to vehicles and other visitors by taking

602
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>up armed positions with guns around the cabin until the

603
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>visitors were recognized and the situation was deemed safe.

604
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean, for some reason, when you just announced that,

605
00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I visualized us doing something like that, which is really wow.

606
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because we will think that people are

607
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 2>just crazy from doing this podcast. Right, So I'm oh,

608
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>someone's coming down the driveway, get my gun. Well, I

609
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>mean I've always been one of those people. Though. If

610
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if someone's coming, they knock on the door,

611
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't open the fucking door.

612
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>There's no way I can respect that. Though. There's a

613
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of messed up shit going on in this world,

614
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and if someone figures out that you're home alone or

615
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a situation like that, you can get taken advantage of

616
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a heartbeat.

617
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean people lots of times like there's people

618
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that pose to the other individuals. He's even like law enforcement, right,

619
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, so it's just scary. Yeah, but that is

620
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>next level.

621
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>It definitely is. But and the authorities were aware of this, Okay,

622
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 1>they witnessed it firsthand. I'm sure that this happened to

623
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>them as they're coming up to the property to discuss things,

624
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 1>because I guarantee like this, there was certain situations where

625
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 1>they're coming up and they're talking verbally like they're trying

626
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to work things out. I guarantee it. Time and time again.

627
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 1>They're like, hey, you what you have a warned out

628
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>your free rest? Can you come with us? It's like, no,

629
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not fucking leaving the cabin right, Okay, we're gonna go.

630
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 1>You've got to come in. No, I'm not leaving. So

631
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and then they're trying to figure out ways still talking

632
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 1>to them. I mean, like a lot of times going by. Yeah,

633
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.159
<v Speaker 1>there's certainly going to be conversations one way or another.

634
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 2>You have to wonder how many guests they ended up

635
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 2>having over friends and stuff, you know. Jeez, Yeah, I

636
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>don't think I would ever go visit the Weavers, no kidding.

637
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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, they knew that they acted this way. They

638
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<v Speaker 1>knew the Weavers were armed and they were willing to

639
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<v Speaker 1>defend themselves. This was not new information. Now. In August

640
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty first, nineteen ninety two, six marshals were sent to

641
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<v Speaker 1>scout the area to determine suitable places away from the

642
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 1>cabin to try and apprehend and arrest Randy. The marshals

643
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>were dressed in full military camouflage gilly suits. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what gilly suit is? I do, actually, Okay, So

645
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<v Speaker 1>if anyone out there doesn't know what a gilly suit is,

646
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<v Speaker 1>it's when those guys addressed head to toe in like

647
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<v Speaker 1>that Chewbacca looking like forest gear. They look like they're

648
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<v Speaker 1>a bush just sitting there. That's what they were wearing,

649
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 1>these full gilly suits. They were equipped with night vision

650
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 1>goggles and M sixteen rifles, full fledged military gear.

651
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>They meant business.

652
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<v Speaker 1>They meant business. They were prepped. Now, at one point,

653
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<v Speaker 1>one of the marshals, as they were encroaching in the cabin,

654
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<v Speaker 1>threw two rocks at the cabin to test the dog's

655
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the family dog's reaction. Now, the action actually provoked the dog.

656
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<v Speaker 1>It also got Kevin Harris and the fourteen year old son,

657
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<v Speaker 1>Samuel or Sammy to emerge and follow the dog, whose

658
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<v Speaker 1>name was Striker. Now the dog was Striker and was

659
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<v Speaker 1>a yellow Labrador retriever. So they followed the dog to

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00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>investigate what's going on. Now, each boy had a rifle

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00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>in hand, and they were hoping that the dog had

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<v Speaker 1>noticed a game animal outside and that they intended to

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<v Speaker 1>do a bit of hunting. This is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rural area with living off the land type family and property.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that's what they do, is they hunt

666
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of food. Right, So that's what they're doing,

667
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>going outside, gonna do a bit of hunting. However, what

668
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>waited outside their home was not an animal, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ensuing moments all hell would break loose and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we're ending today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye're serious, I'm serious? Okay, who the fuck was going outside?

672
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<v Speaker 2>Two kids? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? So the one the one troubled kid who was

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<v Speaker 1>taken in by the family. Okay, so Kevin Harris was

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<v Speaker 1>that one? And the fourteen year old son Sammy aka

676
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>or sorry Samuel aka Sammy and their dog and their dog, Striker,

677
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>who is a yellow Labrador retriever.

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00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Huh Okay, I cannot envision this ending.

679
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, how do you think it's gonna add? What's

680
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 1>your whole thought process on this so far?

681
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<v Speaker 2>Well? One question I have is like, was were these

682
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what we're calling it, but these people

683
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 2>in gilly suits were at that moment? Were they were

684
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>they just testing or were they literally ready to go,

685
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.159
<v Speaker 2>like they were ready to go.

686
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they're ready to go. They're ready to go if

687
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 1>they need to.

688
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Were they intending at that moment not really to go

689
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.559
<v Speaker 2>to be arresting Randy though.

690
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 1>No, the entire purpose of this was it was a reconnaissance.

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<v Speaker 2>Mission, Okay, because I'm just curious if they thought that

692
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>through with the whole rock thing and stuff like this.

693
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know this, I just can't. This isn't good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So, the entire idea is they're surveilling the property,

695
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 1>both with video audio and aerial photography and stuff. Right now,

696
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.079
<v Speaker 1>they're putting guys in the ground, They're going around the property.

697
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 1>They're surveilling, trying to get information on not only the property,

698
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 1>but the cabin itself, the family itself. What they're they're doing,

699
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get anything they can to say, Hey,

700
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 1>here's an opportunity for us to actually arrest this guy.

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00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>So while they're on the property, one of the reconnaissance

702
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<v Speaker 1>thing that this guy's doing is like, hey, what's the

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00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>dog's reactions.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, Well, I think that the dog is easily

705
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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to sniff them out. And then

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<v Speaker 2>these kids who are seemingly living a pretty sheltered life really,

707
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and have you know they're the way of their dad

708
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of ingrained grained on them. It's so shit like eh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as I said, all hell does break loose, and yeah,

710
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a recipe for disaster in this moment,

711
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<v Speaker 1>especially with all the things that have built up to this,

712
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm pretty sure, like you said, their dad's wig

713
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 1>is ingrained in them. Not only is their dad's way

714
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>ingrained in them, but they're witnessing first hand these military

715
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>men probably as far as they're absuming, harassing their family,

716
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 1>harassing their dad. Like I said, I guarantee these guys

717
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>are driving up to the front door at least have conversations, right.

718
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And now they're there. Yeah, I mean anyone would be

719
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<v Speaker 2>really alarmed over that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or even put it this way, take that all

721
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<v Speaker 1>out of perspective, put yourself in the shoes of these kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You know nothing of the military, You know nothing of

723
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 1>your dad's perspective of life, you know nothing, Nothing on

724
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>him is ingrained in you. It's just you on your

725
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 1>property outside to go, I don't know, shoot a rabbit

726
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 1>for dinner with your dog, and you see military men

727
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 1>crawling through the bush on your property. How do you

728
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's going to go?

729
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, and you're not even certain that it

730
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<v Speaker 2>could be military.

731
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 1>You don't, You don't know. You just see camouflage, dudes,

732
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>rifles crawling through your property.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I don't even know what I would do,

734
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But as of this point, though these kids do not

736
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<v Speaker 1>see them, the dog does not see them. They however,

737
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 1>do see these kids and the dog, and they are

738
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>very well aware. And you will cover the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>what happens in the next episode in part two next time.

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<v Speaker 1>So Nichole is in shock and I here, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I am my brain. Like I said, it's it's

742
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>going a mile a minute right now. This is a

743
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<v Speaker 2>very fact that I have to wait a week is

744
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>such a piss off.

745
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>R Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry. That's how it goes sometimes.

746
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<v Speaker 2>It's the name of the game.

747
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>It is the name of the game. Sorry for making

748
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<v Speaker 1>you guys wait a week if you are one of

749
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 1>those people, because I know some of you out there

750
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>actually wait a week to listen to this episode, so

751
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 1>you can listen to both episodes back to back. You're

752
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 1>not waiting a week. The episode's already out and you're

753
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.039
<v Speaker 1>listening to it in about thirty seconds time. If you

754
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>are waiting a week, I'm sorry, but trust me, it's

755
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>worth the wait. Thank you for being here. If you

756
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<v Speaker 1>want to check out any of our links below, like

757
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>our YouTube where you will be able to soon watch

758
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim actually on video behind the scenes link

759
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 1>is for our YouTube down below. We do some blog

760
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.199
<v Speaker 1>stuff there as well. We have Facebook, we have Instagram,

761
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>we have our Patreon. You can sign up get x

762
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 1>your content there too. If you want to just stay

763
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>here and chill with us, we're happy with that as well.

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00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 2>The YouTube thing is going to be cool because I mean,

765
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.039
<v Speaker 2>what you'll know if I'm quiet, it's because my jaw

766
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>is literally on the ground.

767
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Seeing the reactions is something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You will see Nicole either her mouth is wide open

770
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>because she's just like in shock and awe, or her

771
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 1>hand is covering her mouth and usually I am doing

772
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>frantic hand motions.

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00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 2>And jes you are actually yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, Well, thank you guys so much for being here,

775
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>and until next

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<v Speaker 2>Time, stay Wicked,