1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpeakclendarshow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,039 your support. All Right, it's Tuesday at noon, and that 10 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:37,320 means we chat with Andrew Dunn. He is the columnist, 11 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:39,920 he's an op ed contributor over at the Charlotte Observer. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,240 He's the publisher of long Leaf Politics substack newsletter, and 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,960 you can go to the website longleafpol dot com. Andrew. 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,560 As far as I know, Andrew never been added to 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,600 a signal group message chat to see the plans to 16 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,840 bomb an American enemy. I believe that's accurate. Andrew, welcome, 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,520 How are you? Oh? 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,439 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? 19 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:01,159 Speaker 1: Good to be with you. 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: So. 21 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:05,719 Speaker 1: Never added to a signal group chat with Intel officials 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,760 or anything like that that you want to disclose? 23 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: No, not yet, not yet. 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, there's still time there's still time. We shall see, 25 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:16,799 all right. So, a couple of things that you've written 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,840 over the last few days here over at the Charlotte Observer. 27 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,879 You wrote that as governor, Roy Cooper built a reputation 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 as a steady hand in times of crisis. That image 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,480 was always more perception than reality, but he never faced 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,319 the kind of sustained scrutiny that could shatter it. So 31 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:38,359 I guess the first question I would have for you 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,280 is why did he never face sustained scrutiny in. 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Your opinion, Yeah, Well, there's a couple different reasons. I mean, 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,920 one is that Roy Cooper is a very disciplined politician, 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 and he really cultivated his image as kind of the 36 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:00,120 mister Rogers type, kind of the steady hand. And you know, 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,200 if you see him out in public or any interview 38 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:06,239 he does, he sticks to his message. He's very disciplined, 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 hard hard to catch him in an unscripted, unscripted moment. 40 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,919 But the real reason, I think is that in every 41 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:18,520 race he's run, he's had a tremendous fundraising advantage. So 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,960 he's just been able to flood the zone with his 43 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:26,120 own advertising, his own messaging, and his opponents have just 44 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:30,360 never had the money or the resources to prosecute that 45 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:34,080 case against him. But if Cooper were to run for Senate, 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,719 that would change how so well. I mean, presumably he'd 47 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:44,159 faced Tom Tillis sitting US senator, tons and tons of money. 48 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:49,759 Cooper probably would outraise Tillis a little bit, but the 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,439 discrepancy would not be nearly as large as what Cooper's 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,039 used to So Tillus would have plenty of money to 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,879 make the case against Cooper of all his failures and 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,039 disaster response. 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: And so the the Cooper war chest has, is my understanding, 54 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,280 is largely funded by essentially out of state interests. And 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,719 it seems like he he built that infrastructure with the 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,400 HB two argument against Pat McCrory and then just kind 57 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:26,360 of maintained that infrastructure. Is that Is that fair? 58 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,879 Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. You know, there's a 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,080 lot huge donor network, you know, and started with really 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,360 the Jim Hunt era, and that really built out the 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 North Carolina donor network, and I think Cooper did a 62 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:43,639 lot to expand that more nationally and bring in your 63 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,919 New York, your California donors as well. 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you say the failures that Cooper sidestepped for 65 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,360 years are catching up to him if he runs for Senate, 66 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,360 they won't be easy to ignore. Would that require a 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,840 political press corps that's willing to actually scrutinize Roy Cooper's 68 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,599 handling of Hurricane Matthew, Hurricane Florence, Hurricane Helene, and even 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,080 the COVID pandemic. 70 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,439 Speaker 2: I think that is part of it. And I think 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,199 you're going to have a National Press Corps that's a 72 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:19,600 little more willing to engage with that question than the 73 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,360 North Carolina Press Corps is. And some of that is 74 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:27,519 because you've kind of got the Biden administration and Democrats 75 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,920 on one side and Cooper on the other kind of 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,120 pointing fingers at each other on where the blame should 77 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:39,240 fall for failures in disaster response. And you know you 78 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,639 saw that in the Washington Post article that came out. 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,759 I think you guys talked about that a little bit, 80 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,480 that you know, the National Press Corps doesn't want to 81 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,839 give Donald Trump any credit whatsoever for doing disaster response well, 82 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:53,360 and if the finger has to then go to Roy Cooper, 83 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:54,800 then they're willing to do that. 84 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: You rate later on in the piece that with Cooper 85 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,240 out of office, his shield is gone. His His own 86 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,519 Emergency Management director recently confirmed what many suspected. The Cooper 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,560 administration intentionally never appointed a disaster Recovery Coordinator, which is 88 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,199 the very role that FEMA recommends for every state to 89 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:16,560 ensure effective disaster response. Now, do you know why have 90 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:21,439 you come across why they decided not to appoint that position. 91 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:28,639 Speaker 2: No, I really have any idea. There's no real reason 92 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:31,920 not to. And maybe Will Ray should have been that person. 93 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:35,120 It's a little unclear, but he's saying that it was 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,959 an intentional decision not to, so I'm really not sure 95 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:40,839 what the thinking was there. 96 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: Does this present a problem for Josh Stein if he's 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,000 now you know, shifting gears. He's doing his WNC effort 98 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:53,839 separate from the agency that Roy Cooper set up, the 99 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:58,839 Encore and co R, which failed so terribly. So does 100 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,959 this kind of does this create some like like opportunity 101 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,240 for Republicans to drive a wedge between these two guys 102 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,360 and make them It's sort of like the rape kit 103 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,519 testing backlog. I like that whole issue where Cooper claimed 104 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:16,160 he cleared the backlog and then Stein comes in and 105 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:19,160 promises to clear the backlog again, and it's like well, well, 106 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,160 who's actually responsible for doing that? 107 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,399 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think it's possible. And you know, 108 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,079 I would love to know what Cooper and Stein say 109 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,199 to each other on this issue behind closed doors. That 110 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,240 would be that would be very illuminating. I would be 111 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,759 surprised if it drove a huge wedge. I think Cooper 112 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,759 is a very savvy politician and and and more ruthless 113 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,600 than people would would understand. So I think he would 114 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:50,560 get it if if Stein has to create some distance there. 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that assessment of Cooper. I think, yeah, 116 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,800 like you said, he's got this image as mister Rogers 117 00:06:55,879 --> 00:07:00,560 and he's a political animal. But that is so what's 118 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,879 your assessment then, in comparison of Josh Stein, like is 119 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,839 he the same is he cut from the same cloth? 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,319 Or You've got another piece that you write about Stein's 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,000 first budget proposal as governor and that it seems to 122 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:15,879 indicate maybe a different kind of approach. 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I mean it really seems like Stein 124 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,399 is trying to take a more collaborative approach with Republicans 125 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:27,600 and with the General Assembly. I mean you could never 126 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,120 call Roy Cooper's approach collaborative. I mean, basically he put 127 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,120 his foot in the ground and said this is you know, 128 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:38,519 and called anybody who opposed him his enemy. You're not 129 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,319 seeing that from Stein. We'll see if at last, I 130 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:43,399 mean this is the first year, and you know, there 131 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:45,879 is still somewhat of a honeymoon period with a new 132 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:49,839 governor coming into office. We'll see if Stein ends up 133 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,360 changing tax But for now, at least he's trying to 134 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:53,959 play ball. 135 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned tax policy and education policy is some 136 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,399 pretty big areas where it seems like Stein could have 137 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,800 taken sort of a left wing maximalist position like Cooper did, 138 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:06,519 but he hasn't. 139 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, if you put, you know, 140 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:13,920 the last Cooper budget right right down next to the 141 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,160 first Stein budget, you know, Cooper was definitely farther to 142 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:21,759 the left, which is kind of interesting because Stein is 143 00:08:21,879 --> 00:08:25,639 viewed as more to the left politically than Cooper is. 144 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,800 I think Stein recognizes that and knows that he's vulnerable 145 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:34,399 to that that description. So I think that's one of 146 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,159 the big reasons why he's really trying to be intentional 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 and stay to the right of his predecessor. 148 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll watch that as it and and the 149 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,200 other thing is that, like, it's a governor's budget and 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,279 it's the opposing party controls the legislature. So the chance 151 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,799 that Stein is going to have his budget adopted are 152 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,720 you know, slim to none, and slim just left the room, 153 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,360 So like, is it? Does it really mean much? 154 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:02,639 Speaker 2: You're exactly right. I mean, the old joke is that 155 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,879 a governor's budget is just a cheap doorstop, and there 156 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,360 is a lot of truth to that. However, you know, 157 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,200 there is not a veto proof majority in the General Assembly, 158 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,480 so presumably Stein's vito could carry some weight. I think 159 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:20,720 the General Assembly would prefer to avoid that, so I 160 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,159 think they are going to be willing to negotiate somewhat 161 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:24,679 with Stein. 162 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:27,639 Speaker 1: And before we let you go, give you a chance 163 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:32,320 here to tout your bracket. Not the basketball one, but 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,679 kind of along the same lines. It's over at long 165 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:38,360 leaf pol dot com where people are voting on all 166 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:42,320 of these different things about North Carolina and you've got 167 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,679 four regions and so now you're down to the to 168 00:09:44,759 --> 00:09:49,720 the final four, which is pitting what sa kwamvideri, which 169 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:53,279 is our slogan, right, the state slogan to be, rather 170 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,159 than to seem up against college rivalries and one bracket, 171 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,559 and then on the other side you got the John 172 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,559 Locke Foundation, which seems to be a bit of a 173 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,519 Cinderella story up against the Republican Revolution. So what is this? 174 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:08,360 What do you what's the purpose of this besides some 175 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,840 good fun, but what's the what are you hoping to determine? 176 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,279 Out of this? What do they winning? 177 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: Fine as fun as fun as the main purpose, I'm 178 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,840 calling it the Ultimate North Carolina politics showdown, and kind 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,120 of the premise is we're going to determine what or 180 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:27,159 who most embodies in North Carolina politics. So yeah, we're 181 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,320 down to the final rounds and I encourage everybody listening 182 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,759 to go to longleafpol dot com and cast their vote. 183 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,039 Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised the Possum Drop did so 184 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:40,600 poorly for all of the attention that thing got that 185 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,120 ten years. 186 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,879 Speaker 2: Have a big disappointment, but what can you do? 187 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: Well? It was seeded properly. No arguments over the fifteen 188 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:50,320 seed for the Possum Drop on that one. So Hey, 189 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,679 Andrew donn I appreciate your time. As always, people check 190 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,759 out his substack longleafpol dot com. You can also read 191 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:59,559 his work over at The Charlotte observer. Thanks again, We'll 192 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,759 talk with you you actually know. Yeah, yeah, we will 193 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:05,080 talk with you next week. I am here next Tuesday. Sorry, 194 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,919 so we'll talk to you next week. Great, thank ye 195 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,480 thanks Andrew. All right, if you're listening to this show, 196 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:12,080 you know I try to keep up with all sorts 197 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,080 of current events, and I know you do too. And 198 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. 199 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,360 Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which 200 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:24,320 is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that link 212 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,039 and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use 213 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,240 the vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature 214 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,200 your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 215 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,399 also supports ground News as they make the media landscape 216 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:16,159 more transparent. All right, so thanks again to Andrew Dunn. 217 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,399 As always, we talked with him on Tuesdays here on WBT. 218 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:26,039 He is, as I mentioned, he's a contributor over at 219 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,440 the Charlotte Observer and the Raleigh News and Observer, the 220 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,200 McClatchy papers. He writes off eds for them. I think 221 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,200 it's like once a week, maybe twice a week. But 222 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:39,399 he also runs his website, long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com. 223 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,879 And Andrew is a former reporter. He was a comms 224 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:47,480 guy for Lieutenant Governor Dan Forest, so he's been in 225 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:50,679 the political mix for quite a long time. He had 226 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,960 another piece over at his website, a piece called North 227 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,960 Carolina's Opportunity to Break Free, and he talks about a 228 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,480 couple of different things, but specifically Hurricane Helene recovery funds 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,799 and like how that whole conversation seems to focus on 230 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,440 whether Congress is going to approve another pot of money. 231 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,080 And then there is the dismantling of the US Department 232 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:25,000 of Education, and he says, Helene shows the problem. The 233 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,240 dismantling of the Department of Education shows the path forward, 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,200 and the path forward is actually hang I actually do 235 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,919 have a drum roll, Yeah, here it is. It's much 236 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:51,919 better block grants. Block grants, take the money, give it 237 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:56,679 to the state, right, rather than you know, hoping that 238 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:00,759 Congress is able to you know, do a specify thing 239 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,600 for a certain amount of money and whatever whatever, like 240 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,919 block grants rather than using FEMA, rather than using the 241 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,159 Department of Education. He said the General Assembly could push 242 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:17,360 the Trump administration to keep shrinking federal agencies and shift 243 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:20,720 funding to the states in the form of block grants, 244 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:26,519 just like the plan is for education, no more micromanagement 245 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,519 and minimal strings attached. He says, we won't cut ties 246 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:36,080 with Washington overnight, but we can start laying the groundwork now. 247 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,759 It's about rebuilding a muscle that we have let atrophy. 248 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,519 The federal government is bloated and stretched thin, and the 249 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,000 more we can handle here at home, the stronger we become. 250 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:53,159 He talked about how Weatherman's campaign for lieutenant governor. He 251 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:57,399 lost to Rachel Hunt, but he talked about being more 252 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,519 self reliant, self sufficient as a state and that is 253 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:05,879 something that we should work towards. I agree with that, right. 254 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,639 The federal government is a creation of the states, and 255 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,639 so we shouldn't have to send tax payer money up 256 00:15:14,679 --> 00:15:17,559 to DC have it washed through the bureaucracy and then 257 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:23,000 doled out through NGOs and programs and all these strings 258 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,720 attached to stuff, because all of that is a process 259 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:31,720 that is far removed from where we live. And so 260 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,320 block grants will help streamline that and make the states 261 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,519 more self sufficient and build this kind of infrastructure at 262 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:41,720 the state level so we can chart our own course. 263 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:45,000 Here's a great idea. 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Remember that period. 289 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,799 It was like I don't know about two or three 290 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,079 years probably I don't know about a decade ago, maybe 291 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,720 twelve years ago, and everything was referred to as super 292 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:30,440 smart or a smart take. He had a really smart take. Anyway, 293 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,680 he along with Matthew Iglesias and somebody else. I think 294 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:40,039 they started vox and this was the quote explanatory journalism 295 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,960 where they would just give you like two sentences and 296 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:48,279 explain it to you in a super smart way. Of course, 297 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:53,279 so as reclined, he's still around and he chatted with 298 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:57,720 Derek Thompson. I guess this was on a podcast or 299 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,680 maybe on a website or something, but they chatted in 300 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:06,359 what is I guess could be considered an interview. But 301 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,160 they also wrote a book together, and so they were 302 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,000 talking about it and they made the case for a 303 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:19,200 new approach to progressive politics. This is no no way, 304 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:23,039 no no, it's a new approach. So lying is still 305 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,960 on the table because that's the old way, that's always 306 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,519 been the way with progressivism. But there's a new approach 307 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,599 inside of under the umbrella of lying. So the new 308 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:40,200 approach they are calling it, Yeah, they're calling it abundance, 309 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,960 which I guess when it comes to collectivism, there are 310 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:54,680 things that I guess do become abundant, like misery, poverty, authoritarianism, 311 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,799 fear right. I guess there is an abundance of those things, 312 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:04,039 so okay, But anyway, they're calling it abundance. That's the 313 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:09,359 title of their upcoming book, but according to John Sexton 314 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,920 at hot air dot com, it could be called other things, 315 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:19,319 including basic competence. Basic competence okay, because what has been 316 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,119 from the very beginning of progressivism go back, you know, 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,920 one hundred years Woodrow Wilson and the rise of the 318 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,119 the whole progressive movement, you know, eugenics and all of 319 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,440 that stuff, Margaret Sanger, planned parenthood, like all of these 320 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:40,000 things were predicated on what I mean, yes, racism, but 321 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:44,640 still besides that, like a from an operational standpoint, the 322 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,000 belief here was that they would have super smart experts 323 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:57,079 that would be able to properly and most efficiently manage 324 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,759 all the things from the economy all the way down 325 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:06,680 to healthcare and everything in between. Like they could manage 326 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,000 all of these things because they're the experts. It's this 327 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,039 technocratic class, right that was sort of the foundation of 328 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,400 the progressive movement, that they would they would be able 329 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,440 to govern us all due to their big brains. So 330 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:28,359 what has happened, though, what do they have to show 331 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,920 for it? After a century of progressivism. What do they 332 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,440 have to show for it in its modern form, which 333 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,200 is the Democrat Party. Well, in places that are controlled 334 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:47,079 exclusively by Democrats, are they being run, Well, that is 335 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,119 where you should see the proof. No, you should see 336 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,680 the proof that they're cities that they have under their 337 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,000 control and have for you know, three generations, four generations 338 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:07,119 now that these cities should be virtually utopian. No, Derek Thompson, 339 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,200 he said in talking about this book Abundance, He said 340 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,039 that the progressives have lost track of what the goal 341 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,960 should have been, which, as John Sexton called it, basic competence. 342 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,319 And Thompson offers up the example of the apartment building. 343 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,599 The apartment building, it's been around for a very very 344 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:35,240 very very very very long time. Like there are apartment 345 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,079 buildings going back thousands of years. This is not a 346 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,359 new technology, okay, But somehow they can't seem to build 347 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,119 them anymore in San Francisco, Los Angeles and many other 348 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,799 Democrat run cities. Did they just forget No, they just 349 00:21:54,039 --> 00:22:02,680 got overloaded with regulations and NIMBYs not in my backyard, Nimby, 350 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,640 not in my backyard. Thompson said, I think we went 351 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,440 from a world where liberalism was a liberalism of building. 352 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:15,200 Between the thirties and the sixties, we saw this type 353 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,200 of building right, and then there was a turn in 354 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,319 the nineteen sixties and seventies. And for the last half century, 355 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:28,960 liberalism has too often meant a liberalism of blocking, blocking things, 356 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,079 preventing things from occurring. John Sexton then highlights a fellow 357 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,559 by the name of Rui to Shera, And if that 358 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 name rings a belle, it's because he was the guy 359 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,160 that told Democrats that demographics is destiny. Right. He to 360 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Shera is a Democrat who long time ago wrote a 361 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,000 book predicting that demographics meant Democrats had the future firmly 362 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:57,319 in hand. As the country became less white, it would 363 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:01,440 also become less republican. But in the past few years 364 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,920 he has now been warning his party that demography is 365 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:08,519 not destiny and that the party was setting themselves up 366 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:13,000 to lose by moving too far left on too many issues. 367 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,279 And so to Share a looks at this at this 368 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:26,440 book abundance, and he acknowledges that the authors has reclined 369 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,519 and Derek Thompson that they may be onto something, but 370 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:34,880 to Share is not convinced Democrats are willing to change 371 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:40,559 to become the Party of abundance. Again, Democrats are not 372 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,440 willing to change. Which is that don brand right? Blocking? 373 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,079 It just blocking. This is why we joke like progressivism 374 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,200 is not progressive. It's not. I mean, all it is 375 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,839 is progressive control. That's it. It's it. But when you 376 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,759 talk about advancing a society, it actually does not do that. 377 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,720 Very regressive. As a matter of fact, it would mean 378 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,599 like if the Democrats were to try to shift their 379 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,799 thinking into and their focus into becoming the party of abundance, 380 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,000 it would mean that you would have to basically take 381 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:21,599 a sledgehammer to the party's current foundation. All right, So 382 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,119 spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. You've 383 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,920 got graduations, weddings, anniversaries, and the special days for mom 384 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,119 and dad. Your family's making memories that are going to 385 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,799 last a lifetime. 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I should say he was telling that two Democrats, 405 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,200 but he is not convinced Democrats are willing to change 406 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:46,559 to become the Party of Abundance, as as Reclined and 407 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Derek Thompson are recommending, because that would mean uprooting much 408 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:57,240 of their party's current foundation. The NGOs and activist groups 409 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,720 that are anti development and anti capitalism. That's the problem 410 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:07,079 the Democrat party has, he says. To Shri says, the 411 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,640 culprit is a democratic party that puts ideology and special 412 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,720 interests ahead of good governance. It is committed to ensuring 413 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,519 that development is not socially harmful in any way and 414 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:27,559 does not transgress the interests of any quote unquote stakeholders. 415 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:31,839 In reality, that amounts to a promise that nothing will 416 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,559 get done, and the result is endless paperwork and litigation 417 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:43,160 by those very stakeholders or more accurately, interest groups, interest 418 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,839 groups that claim to represent the stakeholders. This includes countless 419 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,839 environmental and social justice NGOs, non government organizations or nonprofits 420 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:59,720 if you will. It includes local nimbi groups, and of course, 421 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,200 the the army of lawyers who make their living from 422 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,240 this sort of thing. Costs balloon and projects are delayed. 423 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,160 They're realizing this. I mean a lot of people already 424 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,799 have out in California as they're trying to rebuild from 425 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,440 their wildfires. Right, and what a progressives have to say 426 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:29,279 about fixing this issue, that's right, nothing their ideology, the groups, 427 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:35,559 the nonprofit industrial complex, and the priorities of liberal educated 428 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,799 voters to whom so many Democrat politicians are beholden all 429 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,880 make it close to impossible for the party to tackle 430 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,920 this kind of a problem or to even make an 431 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,920 effort at embracing parts of this so called abundance agenda. Right, 432 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,279 the environmental roadblocks to building things are a core of 433 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,519 the Democrat Party. Now. I heard it today. They were 434 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,000 at this Senate Intelligence Committee hearing where they were going 435 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:12,400 over the Signal Group chat that Jeffrey Goldberg was in 436 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680 on and before the bombing of the Huties and all that. 437 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,559 One of the Democrat senators I forget who it was, 438 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,680 maybe Bennett from Colorado. He's like, they put out your 439 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,000 annual assessment of threats, and climate change wasn't on there 440 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,440 for the first time in eleven years, and what's up 441 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,519 with that? Did you order that removed? Who ordered the removal? 442 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,440 Who ordered the code red? And Gabbard's like, we did 443 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,559 an assessment on the most pressing threats to the American 444 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,920 people and the country. That was our threat assessment, and 445 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,559 it did not include climate change. But this is such 446 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:54,240 a part of the Democrat Party. Now they've raised now 447 00:28:54,279 --> 00:29:01,640 what two generations predicting imminent death of everybody, and the 448 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,759 fact that we are all still alive even after net neutrality, 449 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,640 right when everybody died. But the fact that we're all 450 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,400 still alive doesn't prove that their hypothesis is incorrect. For 451 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,119 some reason, this does nothing to dissuade people about the 452 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,720 catastrophism that they are in the grips of. To share. 453 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,599 It goes on to say Democrats cannot achieve electoral dominance 454 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:31,720 as long as they remain crippled by a fetish for 455 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,960 putting coalition management over a real desire for power. Democrats 456 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,839 remain stuck trying to please all of their interest groups 457 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,119 while watching voters of all races desert them over the 458 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200 very stances that these groups impose on the party. What 459 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,079 is he saying there? He's saying what I've been saying, 460 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,240 which is I think I say it better, but I 461 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:59,559 am a professional communicator, so that tracks. All he's saying 462 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:04,799 is that the party has been captured by leftists and 463 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:09,240 it can't get itself back towards the center. It just 464 00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:14,960 can't do it because the party is captured. Achieving a 465 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,359 super majority means declaring independence from liberal and progressive interest 466 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,680 groups that prevent Democrats from thinking clearly about how to 467 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:30,599 win he says, collectively, these groups impose the rigid mores 468 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:37,279 and vocabulary of college educated elites, cisgender, or anyone place 469 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:42,759 that puts a hard ceiling on Democrats appeal and fatally 470 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,079 wounds them in the places they need to win, not 471 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,319 just to take back the White House, but to even 472 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,799 have a prayer in the US Senate. Again, they're captured 473 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,599 by the most radical leftists in their coalition. Soon over 474 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,880 at hot air dot com, he says, you have a 475 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,880 lack of competence and woke extremism, which are both driving 476 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,279 people out of the Democrat Party, and the party seems 477 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,640 unable to do anything about it. Case in point Chuck Schumer. Right, 478 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,039 we just saw it happen with Chuck Schumer. He refused 479 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,039 to shut down the government in what would have been 480 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,519 a pointless act of defiance. So what was he essentially 481 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:38,400 choosing competency over posturing? And now he's being attacked inside 482 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,279 his own party, which you really hate to say it. Meanwhile, 483 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,960 you got Bernie Sanders and AOC barn storming the country 484 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:53,440 speaking to adoring crowds. The far left cost Democrats the 485 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,720 last election, and now they're presenting themselves as the only 486 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,519 path forward change. They're doubling down on stupid, which is 487 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:08,160 a bold strategy. Cotton. We'll see if it works for them. 488 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,079 Along those same lines, this story out of the Washington 489 00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:16,640 Free Beacon. Remember this guy, Makamud Khalil, Columbia University protest leader, 490 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,000 got picked up by Ice. They're trying to deport him. 491 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,279 I think back to Syria. He apparently lied on his 492 00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:31,240 visa application. He hid his work for the United Nations 493 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:36,319 Relief and d Works Agency for Palestine Refugees or UNWAH. 494 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,039 When he applied for his green card. He didn't tell 495 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,519 them that he worked for UNWA Unrah whatever. Khalil worked 496 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,400 for the terror tied agency at the very time of 497 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,799 the October seventh massacre in Israel. He concealed the job 498 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:57,079 while applying for permanent residency last March. That alone justifies 499 00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,680 his deportation, say prosecutors. A Department of Home Land Security 500 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,759 document that was filed in court states that Khalil, a 501 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,799 Columbia graduate student and a spokesman for the notorious anti 502 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,880 submitted group Columbia University Apartheid divest Quote, failed to disclose 503 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,559 his positions as a UNRWA political affairs officer. He also 504 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,319 admitted omitted a second position with the Syria Office at 505 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,960 the British Embassy in Beirut. Oh don't I forget those things? 506 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,480 Oh sorry, it just completely slipped my mind. He's a 507 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,839 Syrian native, but he's an Algerian national. He married an 508 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,160 American citizen, and he's been challenging his impending deportation, saying 509 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,359 that it's a violation of his First Amendment right to 510 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,079 free speech. However, when applying for a green card, if 511 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:58,759 you conceal group memberships that would threaten their residency status, 512 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,920 then you are considered to be guilty of fraud. But 513 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,920 for the leftists who have captured the Democrat Party, none 514 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,519 of that matters. The only thing that matters is his 515 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:18,440 ability to activate the shock troops. That's his benefit to 516 00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,159 the party and so he must be protected. All right, 517 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,519 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 518 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,599 for listening. I could not do the show without your 519 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,400 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 520 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,239 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 521 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960 and tell them you heard it here. 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