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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so nerding out right now that a half hour

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<v Speaker 2>from now we get to talk to a veteran of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rhodesian Bush War.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having trouble staying focused. My focus is just stay

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<v Speaker 1>focused and don't shake your head.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, shut up, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that we added that on there. That's my

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<v Speaker 1>new favorite sound bite. Chris. I'm gonna text people about it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>did you get that email? Chris? From the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we'll get back to politics in a minute. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in an email and had his kid or his

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<v Speaker 2>nephew figure out how to put that. People be texting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now the text notification on his phone. Chris, Can

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<v Speaker 2>you do that for me?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? Corey? You can someone do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how to do that? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows how to do that. We need some

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<v Speaker 2>young people in this office. This is the problem. We

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<v Speaker 2>need youngk what Chris, don't I have two kids? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I worry that they're more like me. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>James could probably do it. Oh, make James do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll figure it out, all right. First of all, two

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<v Speaker 2>good things before we get back to some other stuff. Headline,

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<v Speaker 2>heg Seth, the Secretary of warptex Seth is planning a

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<v Speaker 2>huge shakeup at the top of military command. That is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly important and necessary. As we were just discussing last hour,

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<v Speaker 2>the long march through the institutions. Well, the communists didn't

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<v Speaker 2>exempt the military from that. They wanted it, they knew

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<v Speaker 2>they had to have it, and they went and got it.

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<v Speaker 2>They attacked our military. We have so many commie generals,

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<v Speaker 2>commie admirals, so many of them throughout our service academies

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<v Speaker 2>now again doing what being subversive, fighting for the revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Cleaning them out is going to be a very long,

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult process, and it is extremely necessary and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean extremely necessary. So that's a good thing, something you

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<v Speaker 2>can feel good about. Here's something else. The federal government

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<v Speaker 2>has shed two hundred and seventy one thousand jobs this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we have concerns. I know we have things

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<v Speaker 2>that we want done, things that aren't being done. I

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<v Speaker 2>get that. Then all that stuff is legitimate. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>just criticized everybody yesterday. Man, do you think we'd have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten rid of two hundred and seventy one thousand federal

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<v Speaker 2>government jobs? If Kamala Harris was president. No, we would not. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we would not. Now I have to play this bit

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<v Speaker 2>because it just makes me laugh. This is Zoran Mandhani.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the incoming mayor of New York City talking about

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<v Speaker 2>free buses center.

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<v Speaker 3>We made five bus routes free in New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>When we made those bus routes free, after a year,

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<v Speaker 3>assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine

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<v Speaker 3>percent on the bus driver. The bus drivers because unlike

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<v Speaker 3>the train, the act of fair collection on the bus

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<v Speaker 3>happens on the It's live, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They are actually going to claim that bus drivers will

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<v Speaker 2>get assaulted less when they make the bus free. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>have a little chat, shall we before we get back

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<v Speaker 2>to politics. And it's ugly to have this conversation, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I'm ugly wait on the inside. On

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<v Speaker 2>the inside, I'm ugly, So let's have it. Access Access

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<v Speaker 2>is h It's one of those things you need to

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<v Speaker 2>monitor in life. And if you ever find yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>a place that lets everybody in, you will find the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest bunch of scumbags in low lifes in your area

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<v Speaker 2>every single time. If you want to get me to

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<v Speaker 2>not go somewhere, and you know I'm cheap. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish producer Chris cheap, but I'm cheap. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to guarantee that I will not go somewhere, make it

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<v Speaker 2>free or and I've learned this lesson after forty four years,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna have to trust me. Or half price Day.

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<v Speaker 2>They have this place here locally, and it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of kids paradise places. They're all over the country,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have one close to you as well that

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<v Speaker 2>has a bowling and laser tag and arcade games and pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's kids paradise. Of course, we walked in

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<v Speaker 2>that we had been there before. It took the boys there.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it was a Wednesday, I believe. We went there

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<v Speaker 2>with the boys and it was more scumbags and ghetto

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<v Speaker 2>trash than you've ever seen in your entire life. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out until we walked up to buy our

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<v Speaker 2>tickets and they said, oh, hey, it's half price Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to make the buses free in New York

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<v Speaker 2>City and it's going to be so freaking bad. It

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<v Speaker 2>just there's nothing these people cannot ruin there's absolutely nothing

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<v Speaker 2>these people cannot ruin. All right now, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>play something for you. It's ilhan Omar, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>that she's in so much pain right now. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is about by the way, this is about Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>new travel band. He added a bunch of more Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>countries to the travel band.

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<v Speaker 4>The biggest worry of the new executive order is that

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<v Speaker 4>it does separate families. It doesn't create an exception for

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<v Speaker 4>you as citizens to have their family members be able

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<v Speaker 4>to come visit and celebrate milestones with them. And so

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<v Speaker 4>this is a very cruel.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, let me clarify. We don't want your family

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<v Speaker 2>members here. We don't want them to visit. We certainly

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<v Speaker 2>don't want them to live here. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>smell a single one of ilhan Omar's family members. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>if I ever take power in this country, ilhan Omar

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<v Speaker 2>in all of her family will not just be banned

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<v Speaker 2>from this country. I'll do poor anybody they know who's

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. That's how bad it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one day. But again, the communists understand who's the bread

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<v Speaker 2>and butter of their revolution. Here's Steve Cohen.

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<v Speaker 5>They're arresting people simply for the offense of being in

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<v Speaker 5>the country illegally. It's not right, but it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>something should cause deportation when they are not committing crimes

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<v Speaker 5>and they are attributing to the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a concern we have.

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<v Speaker 2>They're arresting and deporting people for being in the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a controversial position for the modern Democrat Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he had more to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Memphis is not an immigration center of crimes from most

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<v Speaker 5>of the people that are there that are immigrants, even

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<v Speaker 5>if they did you come into the country illegally, most

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<v Speaker 5>of them are working legally and doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>important work in Memphis and construction industry, the tourism industry,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're necessary and needed.

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<v Speaker 1>They just prefer foreigners over you. It's pregernorable, frinorable.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Jesse, thanks for the outstanding Another outstanding history lesson,

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<v Speaker 2>this time about the Rhodesian Bush War. I am so

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed in the West, especially the US, for failing to

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<v Speaker 2>support Rhodesia against the black communist factions. I understand now

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<v Speaker 2>why my long education never included this disgraceful debacle of

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<v Speaker 2>a pop prosperous nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why. Look, that's why your.

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<v Speaker 2>School teachers never taught you about Rhodesia because they were

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the communist terrorists who were butchering people.

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<v Speaker 2>They were on the side they viewed them as as

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<v Speaker 2>their kinsmen, the communist terrorists who destroyed a once beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>prosperous country. I know it's hard to accept, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a good chance your history teacher wants to do the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing here and and will do anything in

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<v Speaker 2>his or her power to make that happen. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible state of affairs. But this is why this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get taught in schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about healthcare costs. I now paid twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a year for good coverage for my family.

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<v Speaker 1>Good grief.

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<v Speaker 2>My pot is simmering and about to boil. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>system seems so messed up, from the hospitals to the

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<v Speaker 2>drug companies to the insurance providers. Can this ever get fixed?

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<v Speaker 2>Are there ways to opt out of the system and

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<v Speaker 2>into something that will cover a family without paying extra

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<v Speaker 2>for abortions and trans grap and illegals. Paying for healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>is now a full time job. It is unbelievable what

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<v Speaker 2>health insurance now costs in this country. I can only

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what I've looked into, Okay, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an expert because I haven't done it right. What I've

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<v Speaker 2>looked into getting out of the insurance run medical industry,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning concierge medicine. And it sounds expensive, and it is expensive,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no question about it. But it's not that much

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive than having health insurance now. And that number

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get better as more and more people

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<v Speaker 2>chafe against the health insurance industry, which, of course the

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<v Speaker 2>government's screwed up. Remember it's not the insurance companies. It

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<v Speaker 2>was all this Obamacare exchanges and everything else that's screwed

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<v Speaker 2>it up, that screwed up our health insurance industry. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there are doctors in doctor's offices, and there's change of

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<v Speaker 2>these things now, multiple chains across the country that do

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<v Speaker 2>concierge metis, which means no insurance. You'd pay something like

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<v Speaker 2>a monthly fee or something like that. But what I've

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<v Speaker 2>warned about repeatedly, and what you can totally see happening now,

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<v Speaker 2>is this is going to make good healthcare only something

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<v Speaker 2>rich people get and that was previously not like that

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. The last time I had to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital, I was mortified, not just by the

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<v Speaker 2>conditions by the staff. Were there some lovely nurses, of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Was there a good doctor? I don't know, none of

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<v Speaker 2>the ones I've saw. It was a bunch of dirt balls, rude, dumb, freaking, terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>bad state of affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>hop day.

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<v Speaker 1>You can email us.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com, ten minutes away from

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<v Speaker 2>our veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War. Can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him. But let me go ahead and address

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<v Speaker 2>the elephant in the room. So Dan Bongino, Deputy Director

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<v Speaker 2>of the FBI. Dan Bongino came out today. There were

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<v Speaker 2>rumors swirling already, but he came out today, made it official.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump kind of let the cat out of the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's leaving. Dan said, hey, January, I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>And a bunch of people were asking my thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>it and say no, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, Chris, if you wouldn't mind, I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what I said back in July. So here

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Do you remember what I told you about

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Bongino and the FBI. But I wake up every

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<v Speaker 2>day and I look at my phone for maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>text message or maybe just a headline dan Bongino stepping down.

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<v Speaker 2>If Dan Bongino steps down, especially if it's over the

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<v Speaker 2>next year, it can't be saved. He doesn't believe he

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<v Speaker 2>can save it, because he's not gonna sit there and

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing. If he throws his hands up and says,

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<v Speaker 2>screw it, I'm done, that'll tell you it can't be fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know all of his reasons. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he just misses being you know, on the radio

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<v Speaker 2>or wherever he's going to go back to. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a huge success wherever he goes back to.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know all his reasons. But I told you

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago that was my concern. My concern

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<v Speaker 2>is that that institution I was about to call it organization,

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<v Speaker 2>that that institution is far beyond saving. That it is

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<v Speaker 2>such a criminal institution now after years and years of

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<v Speaker 2>communist infiltration, it is such a criminal institution that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you can nibble a little on the edges here and

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<v Speaker 2>nibble a little on the edges there. And obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>can do some good things. I mean, the only reason

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<v Speaker 2>You can do some good things, but all you can

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<v Speaker 1>Because at its core it is.

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<v Speaker 2>disbanded in its entirety. It should and as I've said

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<v Speaker 2>many many times before, I believe that the FBI will

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, secession, rebellion, something in the future

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, because the communists are going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>sending FBI agents into states, into people's homes. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to keep sending SWAT teams to arrest pastors, and one

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<v Speaker 2>day some red states may actually get some guts and

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<v Speaker 2>put a state versus the federal government. And it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>We can't take half measures with communist institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to I want to do with the right

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot take half measures with communist institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Chris, what are the are these shekels

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<v Speaker 1>you put on my thing? What are these things? Is this

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<v Speaker 1>what you people call shekels? Is that what it is?

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<v Speaker 6>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Playing with the drad ol? What's a dradol? Again, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. You don't have to insult me like I

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<v Speaker 2>know everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I know my campaign manager was Jewish. I didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>over the whole Torah with him. I don't know everything

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<v Speaker 2>about everything. Okay, you know he did not well, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean no, I didn't get invited to any holidays. Definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not After the time I asked him if matzabal soup

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<v Speaker 2>had mozzarella in it. I was always under the impression

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<v Speaker 2>that it did. He was mortified. He thought, what did

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<v Speaker 2>he say? I think he said to me, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>most goy thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother loved me. She was an angel. What, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>Matza ball soup sucks. I know, oh, all your food sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sorry. And by the way, don't sell me

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<v Speaker 2>on the potato cake things. Everybody else does that too.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't claim that you people can't claim that bagels

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<v Speaker 2>are admittedly phenomenal. A good I'll make this argument, A

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<v Speaker 2>good everything bagel with bacon, egg, and cheese on it.

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<v Speaker 1>What, Chris, Oh yeah, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't eat some of that and a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of mayo or miracle whip if you want to class

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<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit. That is the best breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>on the planet. It's better than biscuits and gravy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>better than waffles. It's better than anything else you can

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<v Speaker 2>come up with. A good It's better than steak and eggs, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>A good, A good bacon, egg and cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't know because you're from Texas, buddy, And I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're Jewish, but the Jewish food sucks here. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you do make good bagels. I take that back, so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you would know. Now you don't know much about bacon,

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<v Speaker 2>egg and cheese, not like I do. But maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>can have like goat, egg and cheese.

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<v Speaker 6>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Goat's not bad, Chris, It's really not bad anyway. Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>food's terrible, Buddy. It's just dreadful, dreadful. That great comedian

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Maniscalo has He's obviously Italian, has a hilarious stand

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<v Speaker 2>up routine about that, making it basically bragging about Italian

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<v Speaker 2>food and making fun of Jewish food. I think his name,

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<v Speaker 2>you've never heard of him, Sebastian Maniscalo. He's got eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand TV specials out there. He's really really funny. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea why I'm talking about this right now. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of the shekels you put here that say

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Hanukkah on them, and apparently there's chocolate in here

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. But thanks for the shekels, Chris. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go talk to a veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War.

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<v Speaker 1>Next it is the Jesse Kelly Show. Chris Buddy picked

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<v Speaker 1>his song. I like this guy. It's freaking awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously, as we've been discussing over the past week,

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<v Speaker 2>I did a multi part thing on the Rhodesian Bush War.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just a dumb American from Ohio. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>white trash kid from Ohio. What do I know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Rhodesian Bush War? Just what I read?

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blessed enough that we had someone reach out to

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<v Speaker 2>the show who knew someone who was there, a veteran

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rhodesian Bush War, who will's probably forgotten much

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<v Speaker 2>more about it than I will ever know, And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would just be a wonderful perspective. So now

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<v Speaker 2>allow me to introduce Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian

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<v Speaker 2>Bush War. Buddy, but before we get into the war

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, tell me about your family.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I grew up on a farm. Okay, I was

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<v Speaker 6>the original gomer pile. They've done a dairy farm. Never

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<v Speaker 6>went anywhere until I went to Paras Island.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? Now, out you're a farm boy, you

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<v Speaker 2>go to Paris Island, then you end up in Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, I went. I went into Marines. I did

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<v Speaker 6>my four years. I liked it. I like the Marines.

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<v Speaker 6>I had a good time. Uh faught of the twenty

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<v Speaker 6>six Marines and Quaison. I went back, UH flew helicopters

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<v Speaker 6>when HTMM won sixty one. It's a gunner. That was

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<v Speaker 6>quite a change from being a ground founder and division.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we can't just fast forward past being a freaking

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about Kaison.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you ever go up there? It's beautiful? I don't uh.

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<v Speaker 6>When I landed there August sixty seven, when I got

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<v Speaker 6>off the plane, I looked around and for those that

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<v Speaker 6>are listening and events, it's been there. It was dark,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of foggy, but it's beautiful, right on the the

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<v Speaker 6>ocean border. And I was there almost seven months, and

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<v Speaker 6>I was lucky enough to have been all gone all

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<v Speaker 6>Forces camp that got overrun during the fight, and it

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<v Speaker 6>was just beautiful territory. I mean, that's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The fight itself, it's hard for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me to explain to people what it's like when an

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<v Speaker 2>artillery round of any kind lands close to you. I

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<v Speaker 2>have attempted to explain it had happened to me in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone at que San would know far more about

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<v Speaker 2>it than I would tell people about what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>to be under artillery.

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<v Speaker 6>Fire from my own personal perspective. To your pardon my language,

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<v Speaker 6>the pucker factor goes up. That was not the first

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<v Speaker 6>time I had been under artillery the rocket fire. Been

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<v Speaker 6>there a couple of times up and dog huh really

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<v Speaker 6>caught it up there. I fought but when they started

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<v Speaker 6>hitting using case on which would have been January twenty first,

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<v Speaker 6>they were so accurate they was scary. The base is

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<v Speaker 6>not very big. You can go online and look at it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not a big base. And what you listen for

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<v Speaker 6>is your guys shooting back. That gives you a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit of satisfaction because when you're down there in the

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<v Speaker 6>hole and there's nothing you can do, but when your

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<v Speaker 6>guns go off, and that would be the thirteenth Marines

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<v Speaker 6>when they started returning fire, it really felt good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels good to give it back to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know it's kind of a dumb question, but

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<v Speaker 2>how does one even sleep when you are surrounded by

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<v Speaker 2>the enemy. You know, you're surrounded, things are exploding all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. How do you even get any shut high?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it's I'm sure there's other guys that have been

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<v Speaker 6>the same situation. But you get to the point you're tired,

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<v Speaker 6>and I would I had an M sixty, and I

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<v Speaker 6>of the runway, and I would pull a poncho over

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<v Speaker 6>me in the M sixty and sit on the two

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<v Speaker 6>cases of ramo and bring the gun up close to me,

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<v Speaker 6>and when the pancho had the top tied off, it's

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<v Speaker 6>the fog would miss just like being in Rain. And

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sleep like a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot what it was like to be that's freaking tired.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, for the reason you're joining us again, we're speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the Vietnam War as well. Buddy, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>end up in Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 6>I do not want to sound too corny, but I

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<v Speaker 6>think one thing I missed was the camaraderie of the military.

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<v Speaker 6>And after I got to reading about it what was

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<v Speaker 6>going on, said crap, you know this is a real thing.

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<v Speaker 6>It's bad guys over there. And I said, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>gonna do this. Let's do it now. I had missed

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<v Speaker 6>the seventy three war in Israel because it didn't last

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<v Speaker 6>very long. And I've been so used to traveling with

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<v Speaker 6>without a passport because I worked for the sand Well,

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<v Speaker 6>the first thing I did after the Israeli war was

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<v Speaker 6>get a passport, duh. And I just one day woke

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<v Speaker 6>up and said, okay, that's it. I said, I'm out

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<v Speaker 6>of here. I should have gone. About a year and

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<v Speaker 6>a half earlier, my dad had passed away and I

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<v Speaker 6>had responsibilities here, and by then everything was good, had

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<v Speaker 6>my mom taken care of my bills were all Tata

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<v Speaker 6>didn't know nothing anymore and just wanted to get over

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<v Speaker 6>there and get into it all right. So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>sound too goofy.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound goofy at all. I just had them meet

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<v Speaker 2>up with my marine buddies last year because I missed

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<v Speaker 2>the camaraderie. It's nothing goofy about at all. Anybody who's

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<v Speaker 2>been in that knows exactly what you're talking about. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try to walk through this step by step overview wise. First,

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<v Speaker 2>what is Rhodesia? What is the state of the war

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<v Speaker 2>when Buddy Lily gets there?

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<v Speaker 6>Not good?

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<v Speaker 1>What year is this?

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<v Speaker 6>Pardon sir?

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<v Speaker 1>What year is this?

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<v Speaker 6>This would be September of seventy nine. Okay, they were

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<v Speaker 6>still fighting and they were still winning. The sas and

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<v Speaker 6>a light infantry would doing a lot of raids over

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<v Speaker 6>in mozam Beak, which I would tell the readers that

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<v Speaker 6>are interested to they can find some books on it

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<v Speaker 6>to read on it. These guys were really good of

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<v Speaker 6>what they did on the incursions in the Mozam Beak,

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<v Speaker 6>but they were still hitting when I got there, because

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<v Speaker 6>we had a safe house where we kept our gear

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<v Speaker 6>at and I was walking in there one day and

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<v Speaker 6>two aircraft came over so low, and this nice lady

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<v Speaker 6>it was there, noticed, Oh, they're going to Mosam Beach,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, just like that. Looked like it was no

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<v Speaker 6>big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So buddy, if you don't mind, if I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>so grateful you're giving us your time before I start

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<v Speaker 2>to dig into you, the training, when you got there,

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<v Speaker 2>everything else. I have to go to a commercial break

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll come back and we'll talk some more

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<v Speaker 2>about this if you have time.

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<v Speaker 1>You had some more time for me.

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<v Speaker 6>Buddy, Yes, sir, I'm here as long as you want me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Man Simper five, Buddy, Lily veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War,

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come break some more of it down for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I scannot believe how much this topic has taken off

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<v Speaker 2>with you. So look I love it too. I'm geeking

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<v Speaker 2>out over here. I told Jewish producer Chris before the

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<v Speaker 2>show even started.

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<v Speaker 1>I told him I'm just gonna nerd out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe we have an actual veteran of the

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<v Speaker 2>war here to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a magnet magnificent Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>a hunt Day, and we are still joined by Buddy Lilly,

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<v Speaker 2>veteran of the Rhodesian Bushwar and Vietnam the United States Marine.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Buddy, we kind of fast forwarded through something

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<v Speaker 2>that actually I'm curious about. You wanted the camaraderie, you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go fight the bad guys in Rhodesia. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would venture to guess you didn't just buy a

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<v Speaker 2>plane ticket and show up and knock knock on someone's

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<v Speaker 2>door over there.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work? Do you? How does it work

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<v Speaker 1>to even get recruited? How did you get signed up?

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<v Speaker 6>Jesse? You don't know how close you just came. I

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<v Speaker 6>had been in touch with the recruiter from the Light

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<v Speaker 6>Infantry sometime before that. But when I decided to go,

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<v Speaker 6>I went and bought a ticket, loaded my bags up,

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<v Speaker 6>went on over and when I landed there, I said, well,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm here, Now what am I gonna do? And you

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<v Speaker 6>hit it just about on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>You So, whose door did you knock on? Buddy.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me sell you this on a serious, serious note.

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<v Speaker 6>The Rhodesian people are the most polite you'll ever meet.

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<v Speaker 6>On the plane, I was, well, I flew from just

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<v Speaker 6>for information, not to be born you, but from New York.

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<v Speaker 6>He had to fly into Yoberg and then they would

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<v Speaker 6>push you on air Rhodesia. And when I got to Yoberg,

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<v Speaker 6>gentlemen came over to me and I said, oh, this

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<v Speaker 6>is not good. He said, we've got your bag, sir.

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<v Speaker 6>They're a little heavy, but we're gonna load them for you.

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<v Speaker 6>Go right ahead. I kid you not, sir, And he

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<v Speaker 6>said they're head and I said they're tools. He said,

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<v Speaker 6>I understand. And I got on a plane. I sat

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<v Speaker 6>next to the Rhodesian gentleman who was coming back from Canada,

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<v Speaker 6>and we had a wonderful talk. He filled me in

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<v Speaker 6>on things and offered me his home to stay at,

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<v Speaker 6>gave me his telephone number when we got to when

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<v Speaker 6>we landed in Salisbury. When we landed there, he took

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<v Speaker 6>me to a hotel. He said, if you don't like this,

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<v Speaker 6>please call me. And I was just I just said, gee,

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<v Speaker 6>this is it's like being in the country in the USA.

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<v Speaker 6>These people are some friendly and polite. The other first

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<v Speaker 6>person I met was the customs guy with a big

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<v Speaker 6>grin says, you want to join the army? And I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I just got here. Can you give me a break?

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<v Speaker 6>And I really was like that. Everybody was just helpful.

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<v Speaker 6>That's all I can tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you get yourself checked in at the Rhodesian

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<v Speaker 2>Best Western or whatever hotel you were checked in.

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<v Speaker 6>At, and not quite close.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you go?

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you go have a night or two out on

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<v Speaker 2>the town chasing down Rhodesian women?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you what's next?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the gentleman from the customs gave me his number

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<v Speaker 6>and asked me to give him a call. As it was,

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<v Speaker 6>they only lived about six or eight blocks from the

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<v Speaker 6>hotel I was at, which was not a flea bag.

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<v Speaker 6>It was okay, but it was not the Monomatapa, which

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<v Speaker 6>I could see across town, which I couldn't afford, thank you,

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<v Speaker 6>but it was nice. So I called this gentleman up

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<v Speaker 6>walk to their house and you got to imagine, now

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<v Speaker 6>this is downtown Salt, very beautiful town was and I'm

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<v Speaker 6>carrying ar in my back. Nobody except at fact it's

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<v Speaker 6>an ar, and they don't see art fifteen. They don't

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<v Speaker 6>see too many of them. But I looked around and said, gee,

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<v Speaker 6>everybody's carrying guns around here. I mean, seriously, I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>exaggerating a whole lot. And anyway, I got to this

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<v Speaker 6>gentleman's house and his girlfriend worked for the courts, the

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<v Speaker 6>Criminal Investigation Division, so she sent me over to see

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<v Speaker 6>one of the supervisors the next day who want to

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<v Speaker 6>scale one to ten? Was about an eight and a half.

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<v Speaker 6>But she sent me to a couple places for interviews.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm on my second day there. This is

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<v Speaker 6>how fast things were moving. And I was offered a

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<v Speaker 6>couple jobs and I did not feel comfortable taking a

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<v Speaker 6>cup of them because I I didn't know the AO,

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know all the customs. The responsibility I would

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<v Speaker 6>have had did not line up with my knowledge of

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<v Speaker 6>the country if you know where I'm coming from. So

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<v Speaker 6>I ended up going to work for Well. I had

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<v Speaker 6>an interview with Anglo American, which was a pretty big corporation,

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<v Speaker 6>and went to work for the Forest Management Service. The

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<v Speaker 6>gentleman in charge, the big boss, took me to his

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<v Speaker 6>house for lunch. I was just flabbergasted. I know it

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<v Speaker 6>sounds crazy, but gave me a long talk, took me down,

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<v Speaker 6>made sure my driver's license would be okay in Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 6>Said be at the office at one o'clock. You're going

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<v Speaker 6>out on a convoy. And next thing I knew, I

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<v Speaker 6>was hired.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna pause before we get to the convoy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something actually I did not tell everyone. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was discussing the Rhodesian Bush War. You brought it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the pictures of it. That women would walk

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<v Speaker 2>around with weapons. It was it was such a dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>place that just everybody was armed.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you see that, Yes, sir, I mean you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>always do it, but it wasn't unusual to pass somebody

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<v Speaker 6>with a you know, with an fal on their back.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody over there had to be a citizen soldier, male

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<v Speaker 6>or female. You did not know when or if mcgoby's

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<v Speaker 6>boys were gonna pop in there and do something. They

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<v Speaker 6>weren't as bad as the terrorist star nowadays. They didn't

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<v Speaker 6>hit the big cities much, but you had to be

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<v Speaker 6>prepared anyway, and those people were prepared some of the

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<v Speaker 6>later on one of the hotels and I'm where I

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<v Speaker 6>worked out of Oh I forgot to tell you that much. Uh,

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<v Speaker 6>I forgot something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, It's okay, buddy. It's because we're about to

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<v Speaker 2>take a break. And then when we get back, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna tell us everything, because I'm just gonna continue to

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<v Speaker 2>bore you with questions because I'm so fascinating right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy, Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian bush War as promised,

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<v Speaker 2>is here giving us is time killing it. By the way, Buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>cannot tell you how much I appreciate this. So we

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna take a little quick break. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is the next hour. Buddy, Lily's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give us some more wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on,