Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: It is thought for boking Thursday. I'm sorry, it is
Speaker 1: Wealthy Wednesdays with Doctor P. L. De Silva, where we
Speaker 1: will be in the world House and worldwide with pl
Speaker 1: da Silva. Doctor de Silva has over twenty years experience
Speaker 1: backroom diplomacy, mediation and negotiation. He has taught politics international
Speaker 1: relations in several graduate undergraduate programs at universities in New York,
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Long Island and Queen's University in Belfast in
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland. Doctor de Silva's publications include post modern Insurgencies,
Speaker 1: political Violence, Identity Formation and Peacemaking and Comparative Perspective. He
Speaker 1: is the co founder, with Professor W. D. Lakshman, former
Speaker 1: Vice Chancellor of the University of Colombo, of the International
Speaker 1: War Related Trauma and Humanitarian Intervention Trust, setting up psychosocial
Speaker 1: training programs for practitioners serving combatants non combatants during the
Speaker 1: Sri Lanka Civil War. Doctor de Silva, Welcome forward to
Speaker 1: the Jeff Jackson Junior Show. Very good to be on
Speaker 1: the show, Jesse. I'm particularly honored that you are here
Speaker 1: today and so grateful, Doctor de Silva. So much is
Speaker 1: going on in the world, and I know that I'm
Speaker 1: going to be bringing our guest up in just a moment,
Speaker 1: but I want to get your initial take on what's
Speaker 1: taking place. The Danish Prime Minister as well as the
Speaker 1: foreign Minister of Greenland met with the President of the
Speaker 1: United States today along with Marco Rubio around at least
Speaker 1: from my perspective, the outlandish idea that the President of
Speaker 1: the United States wants to add the green territory to
Speaker 1: the United States of America.
Speaker 2: Your initial thoughts, Yes, it's extremely worrying and we could
Speaker 2: actually see the dismantling of NATO if actually US troops
Speaker 2: moved to take, you.
Speaker 3: Know, military control of Greenland. There are US troops, you know,
Speaker 3: a small number of troops in the US space program
Speaker 3: in NUK, north of NUK, which is the capital of Iceland.
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering because my question is who would benefit
Speaker 3: if NATO collapses. That's the question I want to leave
Speaker 3: our our our audience with who would who would benefit?
Speaker 3: Who'd be happy to see NATO disappear? Because if the
Speaker 3: US and European allies start squabbling over Greenland, that will
Speaker 3: be the net outcome.
Speaker 1: On in Vladimir Putin would be the beneficiary of the
Speaker 1: collapse of the North American Treaty Organization. That's my opinion,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure we'll delve into it further. Doctor de
Speaker 1: Silva has brought with him a very special guest, Doctor
Speaker 1: Hania the Cock, is the head of the Policy and
Speaker 1: Laison Unit with the United Nations Population Fund Humanitarian Office.
Speaker 1: Doctor de Cock provides you and f PA Country and
Speaker 1: Regional office with advice on policy coordination and technical support
Speaker 1: related to humanitarian preparedness, emergency response, disaster risk reduction, recovery
Speaker 1: and resilience. Her goal and role is to advance gender equality,
Speaker 1: to promote sexual and reproductive health and rights, including minstrel health,
Speaker 1: mental health and psychosocial support, and to prevent and respond
Speaker 1: to gender based violence issues in humanitarian settings and across
Speaker 1: humanitarian development and peace nexus. Before joining the UN in
Speaker 1: June of two thousand and four, Doctor de Cock was
Speaker 1: the Field Director or the Director of Relief and Development
Speaker 1: Programs with the International Medical Corps. She managed and developed
Speaker 1: the technical aspect of service delivery programming to improve quality
Speaker 1: of care within im global programs in relief and development settings.
Speaker 1: Throughout Africa, Central Asia, Middle East, Southeast Asia. She's also
Speaker 1: worked as Technical Advisor for the Reproductive Health and Conflict
Speaker 1: in the Conflict Consortium, providing technical advice and training to
Speaker 1: projects implemented in nine countries across conflict and post conflict
Speaker 1: situations around the globe. Doctor the Clock looking forward to
Speaker 1: the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and the great Doctor Piel
Speaker 1: de Silvakay.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you Jesse, and thank you pl.
Speaker 5: I really enjoy having both of you and listening to
Speaker 5: both of you because you also bring a lot of
Speaker 5: good perspectives.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for posting.
Speaker 1: Doctor Cok. I know we're going to get into some
Speaker 1: more critical issues when we come forward after our break,
Speaker 1: but we have about a minute and thirty seconds. I'd
Speaker 1: like to post the same question to you. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: about the United States and its idea that somehow Greenland
Speaker 1: or Greenland is a territory that it must have as
Speaker 1: part of our regional security.
Speaker 5: I think it's very difficult question at the moment because
Speaker 5: there is some sort of how to say, our word
Speaker 5: order at the moment, and this word order is collapsing.
Speaker 5: This is what it is, you know, sovereignty of States.
Speaker 5: You know, all of this, the NATO issues game. Most
Speaker 5: probably also Vladimir Putin will be very happy to see
Speaker 5: NEO collapse. So I think it's very difficult to really
Speaker 5: understand what is the the end game of this, you know,
Speaker 5: what is behind all of this. In the end of
Speaker 5: the day, we want to see prosperity for all and
Speaker 5: it is definitely you know, I mean, the trade issues
Speaker 5: are going to be very, very difficult with this type
Speaker 5: of situation where you have one country overseeing the global.
Speaker 1: Order over I am. I'm profoundly struck by it. And
Speaker 1: I see one long story that President Barack Obama was
Speaker 1: obviously very concerned about and everyone who's fought against Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: including the various investigations that he's been in, that something
Speaker 1: was a foot on a scale that we couldn't imagine
Speaker 1: and we may be looking at it come to fruition
Speaker 1: as we speak today. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior Show. We have two very special guests today,
Speaker 1: doctor pi Aldo Silva and doctor and to Kok. Will
Speaker 1: be more from the Jesse Jackson Genie Show when we
Speaker 1: come forward on KBLA Top fifty. Jackson to welcome you
Speaker 1: word to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show worldwide with appel
Speaker 1: to so I'm veras guest doctor Henniett Takak, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask let me first at the stage. The
Speaker 1: United Nations Relief and Workers Agency for Palestinian Refugees in
Speaker 1: the Near East, or better known by its acronym you RWA,
Speaker 1: is a UN agency established in nineteen forty nine to
Speaker 1: provide humanitarian aid and development assistance to Palestinian refugees in
Speaker 1: the Middle East, supporting millions with education, health care, and
Speaker 1: social services in the Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon
Speaker 1: and Syria, funded primarily by voluntary contributions from UN member states.
Speaker 1: What they do They provide primary and vocational education. They
Speaker 1: deliver primary health care services, offer a social safety net,
Speaker 1: budd assistant and emergency support. They provide infrastructure by improving
Speaker 1: camps and essential infrastructure, and micro finance by providing small
Speaker 1: loans to refugees. And I want to talk with doctor
Speaker 1: the COC about the practical issues facing you and RW
Speaker 1: and other UN agencies when delivering humanitarian aid and assistance
Speaker 1: in the Gaza. Doctor de Cock, this is our longest
Speaker 1: segment about twenty minutes. Please take your time and share
Speaker 1: with us your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Jesse.
Speaker 5: I think is facing a lot of challenges, especially in
Speaker 5: Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Speaker 4: So as you know.
Speaker 5: Or you and Refugee Work Agency for Palestinians has been
Speaker 5: established since nineteen forty nine and it actually services around
Speaker 5: five point nine million refugee Palestinian refugees across the globe.
Speaker 5: So it's not only that they are in West Bank,
Speaker 5: Gaza and Jerusalem. They also support programs in Jordan and
Speaker 5: in Lebanon and in Syria, and so there's so many
Speaker 5: refugee camps still around the world in this until this
Speaker 5: moment that are you know, like they were born from
Speaker 5: refugees and they are the off offsprings of refugees. So
Speaker 5: it's never going to go away, you know. It's there
Speaker 5: is a right issue. There is a right for these
Speaker 5: people to have support based on the UN resolution General
Speaker 5: Assembly resolution in nineteen forty nine. And it is not
Speaker 5: only that they do the medical services or the health services,
Speaker 5: they also do food distribution and since you know, like
Speaker 5: since January, they haven't been able to do any food
Speaker 5: distribution in Gaza, for example, this just gives you an
Speaker 5: example of the magnitude of problems that Palestinian refugees in
Speaker 5: Gaza are facing. And Gaza is seventy five percent of
Speaker 5: the population of Gaza is refugees.
Speaker 4: Also, so it's not.
Speaker 5: Only that there are population who is indigenous to Gaza,
Speaker 5: but there are refugees from nineteen forty eight who are
Speaker 5: still in Gaza and Gaza Strip who are living there.
Speaker 5: And they are now the two million that have been
Speaker 5: you know, bombarded NonStop for the last two years, eight
Speaker 5: hundred and something days of bombardment and some yellow lines
Speaker 5: and green lines here and green lines there.
Speaker 4: They are not getting humanitarian assistance as they should be.
Speaker 1: And then let me ask you a quick question if I mind.
Speaker 1: And then just for clarity, you're saying that there are
Speaker 1: refugees within the Gaza Strip who are Gazans, but you're
Speaker 1: also suggesting that the global diaspora has also absorbed in
Speaker 1: camps a Palestinian or specifically Guzens, who may outnumber the
Speaker 1: actual number of Gusens who are in the Gaza Strip,
Speaker 1: who are actually in refugee camps around the world.
Speaker 5: Yes, they do, you know. For example, let us let's
Speaker 5: give me. Let me give you an example. There were
Speaker 5: a lot of guzzen in Libya before the Libya crisis,
Speaker 5: and they were stuck that nobody once wanted them, you know,
Speaker 5: they were not need Egypt will not allow them in
Speaker 5: and they will not be able to go to Gaza
Speaker 5: because Israel will not allow them in. So they were
Speaker 5: stuck in refugee camps for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: Doctor to Silva.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, doctor Dukak is born and bred in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3: She's from Jerusalem, She's a Palestinian. She studied her medicine
Speaker 3: in doughnut Skin Eastern Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Speaks fluent Russian.
Speaker 3: She knows the humanitarian situation extremely well. And I'm very
Speaker 3: happy that she's here as somebody who has, you know,
Speaker 3: on the ground experience to talk about the situation of
Speaker 3: the Palestinians. We need Palestinians to talk about Palestinian issues,
Speaker 3: and I'm very happy to have doctor Dakak here with
Speaker 3: us today.
Speaker 1: I think Doctor I want to add that for many
Speaker 1: of us, we all witnessed obviously the events that occurred
Speaker 1: on October seventh and what they represented in terms of
Speaker 1: the war on Hamas that ensued, but the world I
Speaker 1: don't believe, at least initially it may have, has not
Speaker 1: turned its back on the idea of the humanitarians suffering
Speaker 1: that is taking place in the Gaza for innocent civilian
Speaker 1: women and children. Can you share with us the nature
Speaker 1: of the of the crime just as it exists today
Speaker 1: in the concerns that you have.
Speaker 5: You know, let me just say, it's winter now in
Speaker 5: that region, okay, and you are talking about seventy five
Speaker 5: percent of buildings and public buildings and houses have been destroyed,
Speaker 5: totally destroyed, totally, you know, whipped off. So people are
Speaker 5: living outside like really under the elements of nature. So
Speaker 5: imagine when it is raining and you have children, newborns,
Speaker 5: women who are pregnant, who could be you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, in this type of situation where water is
Speaker 5: flooding them, you know, because they are intents and water
Speaker 5: is flooding the tents because they are almost on the
Speaker 5: brink of the water. We are talking about two million
Speaker 5: people living in a very very small piece of land
Speaker 5: and they are on top of each other, and it's
Speaker 5: there is no heat, there is no electricity, there is
Speaker 5: no running water. You know, everything has to be bring
Speaker 5: brought in, tracked in no medication. Hospitals are barely you know, functioning,
Speaker 5: none of them, if like even on hospitals and clinics
Speaker 5: only for are functioning at the moment out of like
Speaker 5: maybe there were twenty seven before this crisis, or thirty
Speaker 5: seven before this crisis. So you are you are talking
Speaker 5: about people in extreme you're like food like insecurity, because
Speaker 5: we all have seen it's you know, the malnutrition is skyrocketing.
Speaker 5: We are seeing women dying in childbirths when we shouldn't
Speaker 5: see any woman dying in childbirths, especially that we are
Speaker 5: talking about small piece of land. But all these you know,
Speaker 5: security lines and incursions and attacks on healthcare workers and
Speaker 5: on humanitarian workers.
Speaker 4: Don't forget that more than.
Speaker 5: Three hundred and eighty nine people were killed who are
Speaker 5: uneras staff in Gaza and humanitarian worker that were targeted
Speaker 5: and killed. So you are talking about you're like a
Speaker 5: need for more services, but the people who provide the
Speaker 5: services are limited. Plus nothing is coming in in the
Speaker 5: amount that it should come in. You know, like Gaza
Speaker 5: would need five hundred trucks every day and they are
Speaker 5: not getting even one hundred truck every day, and it
Speaker 5: has to go through security checks and everything has to
Speaker 5: go out and then come in because everything has to
Speaker 5: be checked. You cannot even get an oxygen cylender for
Speaker 5: a hospital to go to go.
Speaker 1: And yeah, let me share with our listeners for moments
Speaker 1: I can help them understand exactly what you just said.
Speaker 1: The example I'm going to give you, those of us
Speaker 1: who are those of you who are listening to our
Speaker 1: program today is an imperfect example. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to compare one group's pain or misery
Speaker 1: over and against another person's pain or misery, but I
Speaker 1: want to make it crystal clear what I think I
Speaker 1: just heard doctor Decoq describe. She described the conditions in
Speaker 1: the super Dome during Hurricane Katrina. That people are living
Speaker 1: on top of each other in the most unsanitary and
Speaker 1: unprotected of conditions, Unable to get food, unable to get
Speaker 1: a cylinder for people who cannot breathe, unable to get dialysis,
Speaker 1: unable to get medical care, pregnant women unable to get
Speaker 1: maternal care, and the government not functioning, turning its back
Speaker 1: on people in damp, humid, wet, and even cold in
Speaker 1: the case of Katrina hot conditions. I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: Ania our listeners into the description for what they've experienced
Speaker 1: and their relatives experienced here in that small, isolated space
Speaker 1: which I saw on a documentary just a few short
Speaker 1: days ago, because I think everything that you shared with
Speaker 1: me in that description, save for the fact that the
Speaker 1: people of New Orleans were not bombed into that condition,
Speaker 1: which is even more traumatic. Go ahead, doctor Hennia, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sorry, you know, thank you.
Speaker 5: You know, we are talking about, you know, like you know,
Speaker 5: a catastrophic situation. Really, every UN PERSONNAL who has gone
Speaker 5: international I'm not talking even about Palestinian International who gone
Speaker 5: into Gaza, they have said this is like doomsday scenario,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's like really so bad that it
Speaker 5: is impossible for anybody to understand the magnitude of the
Speaker 5: suffering that people are having to deal with. And we
Speaker 5: are talking about civilian population mostly, you know what I mean, Like, like,
Speaker 5: as you said, Hamas is a small portion of the population.
Speaker 5: The population is Palestinian civilian population who are refugees. They
Speaker 5: are not you know, freedom fighters or whatever it is
Speaker 5: what we want to call it. They are civilian population.
Speaker 5: They are teachers, doctors, you know, health workers, shopkeepers, whatever,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, whatever they have to do.
Speaker 5: They are farmers, agricultural workers. They are all suffering. There
Speaker 5: is not enough food in Gaza, for example, for sure,
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean, there is not enough material to build.
Speaker 5: Also, you know, you are talking about even getting materials
Speaker 5: for rebuilding of Gaza, which basically was promised that they
Speaker 5: will rebuild Gaza and rebuild Gaza better. There is nothing
Speaker 5: coming in and the population is in dire need of everything.
Speaker 5: Plus you know, the climate condition at the moment is
Speaker 5: just dramatic. No sanitation, no medical care, no food enough,
Speaker 5: no schools working enough, you know, because like that most
Speaker 5: of the schools have been destroyed and Honora schools actually
Speaker 5: have been destroyed and targeted. And on top of that,
Speaker 5: even the schools that are currently available, they are hosting refugees.
Speaker 5: People are trying to stay there because at least they
Speaker 5: will be.
Speaker 4: Better in this type of conditions.
Speaker 5: So I really feel that we really need to focus
Speaker 5: again on Gaza because people think, you know, because all
Speaker 5: the ceasfire is happening.
Speaker 4: People are not being killed.
Speaker 5: People are being killed on a daily basis still at
Speaker 5: the moment. And at the same time, it's not only
Speaker 5: they are killed in Gaza, they are also killed in
Speaker 5: the West Bank. So and this is going to continue
Speaker 5: because more than one thousand people were killed in the
Speaker 5: West Bank just you know, in the last two years
Speaker 5: since the.
Speaker 4: War broke between Hannas and Israel.
Speaker 1: Over from my side, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Worldwide with pl the Silva are very special. Guest
Speaker 1: is doctor Hennia Tacack. We have more to discuss on
Speaker 1: the Jesse Jackson Junior Show regarding the condition of the
Speaker 1: Palestinian It's in the Gaza Strip, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: also pose the question when we come forward about any
Speaker 1: reconstruction efforts doctor de Silva that might be being discussed
Speaker 1: in terms of providing the Palestinians with some level of
Speaker 1: civilized living, including but not limited to the construction or
Speaker 1: the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip on the scale that
Speaker 1: will probably require the entire world community's involvement. I'm Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show
Speaker 1: on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty more with doctor Peel
Speaker 1: da Silva and doctor Aniadcock. When we come forward, I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Junior.
Speaker 4: Welcome forward.
Speaker 1: To the Jesse Jackson Junior show on Wealthy Wednesday is
Speaker 1: our very special regular contributor, Doctor Peel da Silva is
Speaker 1: with us and also our very special guest, doctor Henia
Speaker 1: the Cock. Doctor de Cock has been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of work with Palastinian She's a Palestinian doctor and when
Speaker 1: we think about Palestinian refugees, particularly the most vulnerable amongst
Speaker 1: the Palestinian refugees, women and children. There's also a role
Speaker 1: for the United Nations in that I want to ask
Speaker 1: doctor Decock about some of the practical issues that delivering
Speaker 1: the following services are in the camps UNFPA. The United
Speaker 1: Nations Population Fund is the uns sexual and reproductive health
Speaker 1: agency working globally to ensure every pregnancy is wanted, every
Speaker 1: childbirth is safe, and every young person's potential is fulfilled
Speaker 1: by providing reproductive health services, promoting gender equality, and addressing
Speaker 1: population issues like family planning, maternal health, and gender based violence.
Speaker 1: Established in nineteen sixty nine, it supports countries in improving
Speaker 1: reproductive health, collecting population data, and empowering women and youth
Speaker 1: with goals including indo provenalvinable maternal deaths and harmful practices
Speaker 1: like FGM and child marriage. I'm wondering doctor Decc what
Speaker 1: some of the practical issues use are the UNFPA needs
Speaker 1: to overcome the delivery, productive and midwifery health services for
Speaker 1: Palestinian one.
Speaker 4: Thank you Jesse.
Speaker 5: There are many elements that UNFPA provide in humanitarian setting
Speaker 5: maternal services for example, making sure that women can deliver
Speaker 5: safely and with no infection and being able to get
Speaker 5: life saving emergence of cetric care. So we work on
Speaker 5: many levels. So at the level of like let us
Speaker 5: say a midwife supporting a woman in childbirth, plus you know,
Speaker 5: making sure that if the woman has complicated pregnancy and
Speaker 5: need to deliver urgently, then there is emergency of cefect
Speaker 5: care available so that we can do a cesarean section
Speaker 5: and be able to deliver the baby safely and also
Speaker 5: save the woman's life. So for u NFPA, getting the
Speaker 5: medical supplies in and having the trained personnel are very
Speaker 5: very essential.
Speaker 4: They are really life saving in that sense.
Speaker 5: So even the basics at the moment are not available
Speaker 5: in Gaza, so it's very important that UNFPA gets all
Speaker 5: these supplies inside Gaza.
Speaker 4: In order to basically be able to.
Speaker 5: Save lives, the woman's life and the child lives. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, you know, there are maybe women
Speaker 5: who don't want to have kids at this moment, so
Speaker 5: that's at the same time, if the woman needs family
Speaker 5: planning device or tablets or pills, that the pills are
Speaker 5: available and it's available for them.
Speaker 4: If we are talking.
Speaker 5: About women who are you know, like exposed to sexual
Speaker 5: violence or gender based violence, they have to have the
Speaker 5: minimum you know, elements of making sure.
Speaker 4: That we uh.
Speaker 5: Stop any infection from happening, making sure that you know,
Speaker 5: we provide PROFILEXIS for HIV AIDS, you know, all of
Speaker 5: these things you know that needs to be provided, plus
Speaker 5: provide psychosocial support and psychological care for these women. Uh.
Speaker 5: And this process is not going to be one day,
Speaker 5: two days, or you know, one time. It has to
Speaker 5: be continuous for a period of time in order to
Speaker 5: ensure that these uh women.
Speaker 4: Have the care they need.
Speaker 5: So definitely we support medical doctors, health professionals, personnel, midwives,
Speaker 5: nurses in order to do their work. We support mobile
Speaker 5: health teams. At the moment, as you know, all the
Speaker 5: health facilities have been destroyed or you know, totally and
Speaker 5: functioning at the moment, so we are doing mobile teams
Speaker 5: that goes out and support the women and really provide
Speaker 5: maternal health and newborn health because also you don't forget
Speaker 5: that a lot of the newborns need attention also because
Speaker 5: otherwise they will die from currently because of the weather,
Speaker 5: they will die from hypothermia, you know, from something which
Speaker 5: basically should not happen in this time and age that
Speaker 5: we have children dying from hypothermia or because they got
Speaker 5: an infection and they have.
Speaker 4: Tetanos or something like that.
Speaker 5: So we need to make sure that these supplies are available,
Speaker 5: and so UNFA provide emergency reproductive health kids which are prepositioned,
Speaker 5: you know, they are proposed. So they are big kits.
Speaker 5: They are not small things that you carry on. They
Speaker 5: are really.
Speaker 4: One ton type of like big supplies.
Speaker 5: Everything that you need for a c section, everything that
Speaker 5: you need to resuscitate the baby, incubators, ultra sounds, all
Speaker 5: of this type of things that you would enable a
Speaker 5: medical personnel to provide the support, ivy fluids, all of this,
Speaker 5: antibiotics for dealing with any infections. All of this needs
Speaker 5: to be provided for women in this type of situation.
Speaker 5: So it's very important that we deal with all of
Speaker 5: this at the same time we prevent sexual violence and
Speaker 5: gender based violence from happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I want to answer the question that you
Speaker 3: asked me in the previous segment. So, Gaza's reconstruction is
Speaker 3: a monumental, decades long challenge, and it's facing immense rubble,
Speaker 3: you know, the clearing of rubble. There's more than fifty
Speaker 3: million tons of rubble which are laced with explosives that
Speaker 3: has to be cleared. Okay, that's going to take a
Speaker 3: long time. You can't snap your fingers in the White
Speaker 3: House and think that it's going to get done. No,
Speaker 3: it's going to take a long long time. Can you
Speaker 3: imagine more than fifty million tons. Then there's a massive
Speaker 3: funding need. The estimation is more than seventy billion dollars
Speaker 3: is needed. And because of the severe infrastructure damage right
Speaker 3: and the restricted aid access which doctor Henna was talking about,
Speaker 3: and the political instability caused by the Israelis with urgent
Speaker 3: need as she said, for shelter, food, water, sanitation, and
Speaker 3: medical care. So these are the hurdles that need to
Speaker 3: be overcome. Also, security concerns for Palestinians who are getting
Speaker 3: killed every day, you know, despite the so called ceasefire
Speaker 3: and governance issues. You know, who's going to take over
Speaker 3: and run Gaza. These are critical issues that need to
Speaker 3: be taken into account and we have to start, you know,
Speaker 3: initially the massive debris removal and the temporary housing that's needed, Okay,
Speaker 3: and these are the immediate focus, and then the long
Speaker 3: term rebuilding faces major roadblocks and debates put forward by
Speaker 3: the Israelis and an unhelpful Trump administration. So if you
Speaker 3: look at the housing crisis, over sixty percent of housing
Speaker 3: is destroyed and beyond repair. It had, Yeah, it displaced
Speaker 3: nearly two million people into inadequate tents and shelters. And
Speaker 3: this is according to a RAND report, the IRC International
Speaker 3: Rescue Committee and doctor Henry Dukka, who has been on
Speaker 3: the ground. The rebel, as I said, is millions of
Speaker 3: tons of debris laced with unexploded ordnance. It must be cleared,
Speaker 3: a process that alone could take years, and that is
Speaker 3: said by the Brookings Institute and un sources. Right, and
Speaker 3: the infrastructure collapsed, the critical systems for water, sanitation, electricity,
Speaker 3: healthcare and education that needs to be rebuilt. Er, it's
Speaker 3: just terrible, it's horrendous what the Palestinians have been subjected.
Speaker 1: We're going to pick back up on this when we
Speaker 1: come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more. Will
Speaker 1: we come forward on KBLA Sport to Jesse Jackson Show,
Speaker 1: KPL Talk fifteen eighty. This is worldwide with Peel the Silver.
Speaker 1: Doctor Peel the Silver is a scholar, a operative within
Speaker 1: very backroom diplomatic relationships across the entire globe, resolving conflict,
Speaker 1: bringing people together and doing the necessary leg work that
Speaker 1: oftentimes people don't get credit for. I'm particularly honored on
Speaker 1: this particular session of our show, the doctor Hania de Cock,
Speaker 1: one of his close and dear friends, is with us
Speaker 1: on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Doctor Desilver and doctor
Speaker 1: de Cock, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Jesse, Thank you, Jesse.
Speaker 3: I'd like to say something.
Speaker 1: You were saying something about reconstruction.
Speaker 3: You were finishing your right, so I wanted to give
Speaker 3: you a sense of the time frame. Right experts in
Speaker 3: reconstruction predicting that it could take over eighty years in total,
Speaker 3: so between sixteen to eighty years. That's the time frame
Speaker 3: for reconstruction, eighty years. You and I will be dead
Speaker 3: and gone by then. Sixteen to eighty years.
Speaker 1: I plan to be here, Pl, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: That's how long it's going to go. And if you
Speaker 3: look at the costs, it's suggesting that it's seventy billion,
Speaker 3: and fifteen billion is just for housing, and the immediate
Speaker 3: stuff that needs to do is to remove the debris. Okay,
Speaker 3: give cash for work for people, right because they have
Speaker 3: no money and established temporary housing and they require stability
Speaker 3: and cooperation. The long term vision is, as I said,
Speaker 3: sixteen to eighty years, and that is the scenario that
Speaker 3: we have faced. That's the terrible cruelty that has been
Speaker 3: done to the Palestinian people, the original people in Palestine.
Speaker 1: You know, in this moment, I'm thinking that that given
Speaker 1: what Jared Kushner has said and what the President has
Speaker 1: spoken to on occasion, it's clear increasingly PL that this
Speaker 1: was deliberate, that the destruction of infrastructure for the Palestinian
Speaker 1: people was to essentially ad next to Gaza into the
Speaker 1: state of Israel, yes, and relocate the Palestinians altogether. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that extreme.
Speaker 3: Example, they want to create an exodus, but an exodus
Speaker 3: of the Palestinians out of their original homeland Palestine. And
Speaker 3: that's what has happened since nineteen forty eight. We've had
Speaker 3: various episodic issues of violence against the Palestinian to depopulate Palestine.
Speaker 3: Because if you give the same right of return that
Speaker 3: Israelis have to come back to Israel, if you give
Speaker 3: that to the Palestinians, the Palestinians would be by and
Speaker 3: large the majority of the people who return. They have
Speaker 3: oh family. But the Israelis don't give Palestinians the right
Speaker 3: of return, and this is part of the problem. These
Speaker 3: are huge structural problems, and the Israelis are not respecting
Speaker 3: international law or the United Nations, and the United States
Speaker 3: has been aiding and abetting them, together with their European allies,
Speaker 3: ever since Israel was established. Why should the Palestinians pay
Speaker 3: for the guilt of the Europeans for the Holocaust. The
Speaker 3: Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust, or the
Speaker 3: Nazis or the terrible things that were done to Jews
Speaker 3: in Europe.
Speaker 1: I am I am completely struck just by the length
Speaker 1: of time that is required in order to reconstruct what
Speaker 1: has what has taken place systematically in the Gaza. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to reflect on it for quite some time.
Speaker 1: Doctor the Cock, Is there anything else that you want
Speaker 1: to add that our listeners should understand about the nature
Speaker 1: of the crisis.
Speaker 5: I think at the moment, people really should watch what's
Speaker 5: happening in Gaza currently and continue supporting people to really
Speaker 5: uh be able to reconstruct and rebuild Gaza.
Speaker 4: Gaza is one.
Speaker 5: Of the like all the ancient ancient cities in the world,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, it's uh it has Christian,
Speaker 5: Muslim and Jews, you know, people who live there for centuries.
Speaker 5: And it's very important that like a cultural city like
Speaker 5: Gaza should go to ruins the way we have seen it.
Speaker 5: And I think what we need is hope, hope for peace,
Speaker 5: hope for reconstruction, people being able to build, to live
Speaker 5: safely and rebuild because at the moment, there is no
Speaker 5: place is safe in Gaza. There is no place is safe,
Speaker 5: you know. I you know, you have drones over there
Speaker 5: people's head on a daily basis. People could not sleep
Speaker 5: during you know, the attacks because of the drones.
Speaker 4: So imagine you know, it's a technological war.
Speaker 5: It's not only a war because of you know, like
Speaker 5: the bombs, and it's a technological you know, like they
Speaker 5: could target any person now through the cell phone, through
Speaker 5: no messages, all of that. It's very very difficult for
Speaker 5: people to live unless they feel some sort of safety.
Speaker 5: And at the same time, people don't want to leave Gaza.
Speaker 5: They really want to remain. They want to be rebuilt
Speaker 5: and they want to live in peace and safely, and
Speaker 5: we cannot do that if.
Speaker 4: This is going to continue being you know, like there is.
Speaker 5: A yellow line and you don't know where's that yellow
Speaker 5: lines like ends or start because nobody can see it.
Speaker 4: You know, there is no lines.
Speaker 5: It's just it's a line that is drawn on a
Speaker 5: daily basis based on different intelligence. And it's really becoming
Speaker 5: very very difficult for people.
Speaker 4: And I want people to not forget. There is also
Speaker 4: the West Bank. It's not the annexation of Gaza.
Speaker 5: It's what's happening in the West Bank at the moment,
Speaker 5: and what's happening even in Jerusalem. So recently a clinic
Speaker 5: that is supported by it's an CLINICU and clinic actually
Speaker 5: was shut down in Jerusalem and you know, was not
Speaker 5: being able to like to to to support the refugees
Speaker 5: who are living in the surrounding of Jerusalem area. So
Speaker 5: this is just to give you an example of the
Speaker 5: daily struggles that people are living. There is like like
Speaker 5: a check points everywhere. People cannot move from one place
Speaker 5: to another. People have been like pushed out different times.
Speaker 5: They have like people are pushed out from Ginea and
Speaker 5: refugee camp, from two Kent refugee camps. So it's not
Speaker 5: about you know, only Gaza. I think people need to
Speaker 5: really open their eyes and see what's happening to the
Speaker 5: Palestinia across Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza.
Speaker 1: Including the settlements. I do want to ask this question.
Speaker 1: I know that we have about three minutes before we
Speaker 1: come forward, and I think I think pl or maybe
Speaker 1: even Ania will be with us for just another moment
Speaker 1: or so. In the next segment, what about the security
Speaker 1: security concerns on the ground. Now that much of the conflict,
Speaker 1: at least as I understand it is over and it
Speaker 1: seems to be some movement towards peace. Are we talking
Speaker 1: about a UN presence? Are we talking about an international
Speaker 1: presence to provide security for the Palestinians. We have about
Speaker 1: about a little more than a minute. In forty five seconds,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about in terms of security for
Speaker 1: the people while eighty or fifty million tons of concrete,
Speaker 1: greebar and mortar is moved. Either one of you please.
Speaker 4: Maybe p l will start and then I will finish Piel.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the thing is this security. You know, the Israelis
Speaker 3: always talk about security. They are the aggressors, but they
Speaker 3: have this victim victimhood mentality saying no, no, no, we
Speaker 3: are the victims. We're killing the Palestinis, but we are
Speaker 3: the victims. And that's the kind of security scenario that
Speaker 3: we are saying. And nobody from the noble United States
Speaker 3: or the Western countries, apart from say, Spain and a
Speaker 3: few others, are saying anything to call this into question.
Speaker 3: Where is the safety and the security? The United Nations
Speaker 3: was built on the ashes of World War Two to
Speaker 3: provide peace and security for peoples across the world, so
Speaker 3: that we will not go into a situation that we
Speaker 3: saw during World War Two where people were simply slaughtered
Speaker 3: by the Nazis and the fascists in Italy. So that
Speaker 3: is that is the fulcrum of all of this. Who
Speaker 3: is going to guarantee peace, safety and security for the
Speaker 3: Palestinian peoples.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Doctor Ania Tacac and doctor Pild
Speaker 1: de Silva are going to join me for another segment
Speaker 1: or two in the next hour. I'm particularly grateful that
Speaker 1: they're here today. On KBLA Talk fifteen eighty More We
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