Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
It is thought for boking Thursday. I'm sorry, it is
Wealthy Wednesdays with Doctor P. L. De Silva, where we
will be in the world House and worldwide with pl
da Silva. Doctor de Silva has over twenty years experience
backroom diplomacy, mediation and negotiation. He has taught politics international
relations in several graduate undergraduate programs at universities in New York,
New Jersey, Long Island and Queen's University in Belfast in
Northern Ireland. Doctor de Silva's publications include post modern Insurgencies,
political Violence, Identity Formation and Peacemaking and Comparative Perspective. He
is the co founder, with Professor W. D. Lakshman, former
Vice Chancellor of the University of Colombo, of the International
War Related Trauma and Humanitarian Intervention Trust, setting up psychosocial
training programs for practitioners serving combatants non combatants during the
Sri Lanka Civil War. Doctor de Silva, Welcome forward to
the Jeff Jackson Junior Show. Very good to be on
the show, Jesse. I'm particularly honored that you are here
today and so grateful, Doctor de Silva. So much is
going on in the world, and I know that I'm
going to be bringing our guest up in just a moment,
but I want to get your initial take on what's
taking place. The Danish Prime Minister as well as the
foreign Minister of Greenland met with the President of the
United States today along with Marco Rubio around at least
from my perspective, the outlandish idea that the President of
the United States wants to add the green territory to
the United States of America.
Speaker 2: Your initial thoughts, Yes, it's extremely worrying and we could
actually see the dismantling of NATO if actually US troops
moved to take, you.
Speaker 3: Know, military control of Greenland. There are US troops, you know,
a small number of troops in the US space program
in NUK, north of NUK, which is the capital of Iceland.
And I'm wondering because my question is who would benefit
if NATO collapses. That's the question I want to leave
our our our audience with who would who would benefit?
Who'd be happy to see NATO disappear? Because if the
US and European allies start squabbling over Greenland, that will
be the net outcome.
Speaker 1: On in Vladimir Putin would be the beneficiary of the
collapse of the North American Treaty Organization. That's my opinion,
but I'm sure we'll delve into it further. Doctor de
Silva has brought with him a very special guest, Doctor
Hania the Cock, is the head of the Policy and
Laison Unit with the United Nations Population Fund Humanitarian Office.
Doctor de Cock provides you and f PA Country and
Regional office with advice on policy coordination and technical support
related to humanitarian preparedness, emergency response, disaster risk reduction, recovery
and resilience. Her goal and role is to advance gender equality,
to promote sexual and reproductive health and rights, including minstrel health,
mental health and psychosocial support, and to prevent and respond
to gender based violence issues in humanitarian settings and across
humanitarian development and peace nexus. Before joining the UN in
June of two thousand and four, Doctor de Cock was
the Field Director or the Director of Relief and Development
Programs with the International Medical Corps. She managed and developed
the technical aspect of service delivery programming to improve quality
of care within im global programs in relief and development settings.
Throughout Africa, Central Asia, Middle East, Southeast Asia. She's also
worked as Technical Advisor for the Reproductive Health and Conflict
in the Conflict Consortium, providing technical advice and training to
projects implemented in nine countries across conflict and post conflict
situations around the globe. Doctor the Clock looking forward to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and the great Doctor Piel
de Silvakay.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you Jesse, and thank you pl.
Speaker 5: I really enjoy having both of you and listening to
both of you because you also bring a lot of
good perspectives.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for posting.
Speaker 1: Doctor Cok. I know we're going to get into some
more critical issues when we come forward after our break,
but we have about a minute and thirty seconds. I'd
like to post the same question to you. Your thoughts
about the United States and its idea that somehow Greenland
or Greenland is a territory that it must have as
part of our regional security.
Speaker 5: I think it's very difficult question at the moment because
there is some sort of how to say, our word
order at the moment, and this word order is collapsing.
This is what it is, you know, sovereignty of States.
You know, all of this, the NATO issues game. Most
probably also Vladimir Putin will be very happy to see
NEO collapse. So I think it's very difficult to really
understand what is the the end game of this, you know,
what is behind all of this. In the end of
the day, we want to see prosperity for all and
it is definitely you know, I mean, the trade issues
are going to be very, very difficult with this type
of situation where you have one country overseeing the global.
Speaker 1: Order over I am. I'm profoundly struck by it. And
I see one long story that President Barack Obama was
obviously very concerned about and everyone who's fought against Donald Trump,
including the various investigations that he's been in, that something
was a foot on a scale that we couldn't imagine
and we may be looking at it come to fruition
as we speak today. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to
Jesse Jackson Junior Show. We have two very special guests today,
doctor pi Aldo Silva and doctor and to Kok. Will
be more from the Jesse Jackson Genie Show when we
come forward on KBLA Top fifty. Jackson to welcome you
word to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show worldwide with appel
to so I'm veras guest doctor Henniett Takak, and I
wanted to ask let me first at the stage. The
United Nations Relief and Workers Agency for Palestinian Refugees in
the Near East, or better known by its acronym you RWA,
is a UN agency established in nineteen forty nine to
provide humanitarian aid and development assistance to Palestinian refugees in
the Middle East, supporting millions with education, health care, and
social services in the Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon
and Syria, funded primarily by voluntary contributions from UN member states.
What they do They provide primary and vocational education. They
deliver primary health care services, offer a social safety net,
budd assistant and emergency support. They provide infrastructure by improving
camps and essential infrastructure, and micro finance by providing small
loans to refugees. And I want to talk with doctor
the COC about the practical issues facing you and RW
and other UN agencies when delivering humanitarian aid and assistance
in the Gaza. Doctor de Cock, this is our longest
segment about twenty minutes. Please take your time and share
with us your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Jesse.
Speaker 5: I think is facing a lot of challenges, especially in
Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Speaker 4: So as you know.
Speaker 5: Or you and Refugee Work Agency for Palestinians has been
established since nineteen forty nine and it actually services around
five point nine million refugee Palestinian refugees across the globe.
So it's not only that they are in West Bank,
Gaza and Jerusalem. They also support programs in Jordan and
in Lebanon and in Syria, and so there's so many
refugee camps still around the world in this until this
moment that are you know, like they were born from
refugees and they are the off offsprings of refugees. So
it's never going to go away, you know. It's there
is a right issue. There is a right for these
people to have support based on the UN resolution General
Assembly resolution in nineteen forty nine. And it is not
only that they do the medical services or the health services,
they also do food distribution and since you know, like
since January, they haven't been able to do any food
distribution in Gaza, for example, this just gives you an
example of the magnitude of problems that Palestinian refugees in
Gaza are facing. And Gaza is seventy five percent of
the population of Gaza is refugees.
Speaker 4: Also, so it's not.
Speaker 5: Only that there are population who is indigenous to Gaza,
but there are refugees from nineteen forty eight who are
still in Gaza and Gaza Strip who are living there.
And they are now the two million that have been
you know, bombarded NonStop for the last two years, eight
hundred and something days of bombardment and some yellow lines
and green lines here and green lines there.
Speaker 4: They are not getting humanitarian assistance as they should be.
Speaker 1: And then let me ask you a quick question if I mind.
And then just for clarity, you're saying that there are
refugees within the Gaza Strip who are Gazans, but you're
also suggesting that the global diaspora has also absorbed in
camps a Palestinian or specifically Guzens, who may outnumber the
actual number of Gusens who are in the Gaza Strip,
who are actually in refugee camps around the world.
Speaker 5: Yes, they do, you know. For example, let us let's
give me. Let me give you an example. There were
a lot of guzzen in Libya before the Libya crisis,
and they were stuck that nobody once wanted them, you know,
they were not need Egypt will not allow them in
and they will not be able to go to Gaza
because Israel will not allow them in. So they were
stuck in refugee camps for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: Doctor to Silva.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, doctor Dukak is born and bred in Jerusalem.
She's from Jerusalem, She's a Palestinian. She studied her medicine
in doughnut Skin Eastern Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Speaks fluent Russian.
Speaker 3: She knows the humanitarian situation extremely well. And I'm very
happy that she's here as somebody who has, you know,
on the ground experience to talk about the situation of
the Palestinians. We need Palestinians to talk about Palestinian issues,
and I'm very happy to have doctor Dakak here with
us today.
Speaker 1: I think Doctor I want to add that for many
of us, we all witnessed obviously the events that occurred
on October seventh and what they represented in terms of
the war on Hamas that ensued, but the world I
don't believe, at least initially it may have, has not
turned its back on the idea of the humanitarians suffering
that is taking place in the Gaza for innocent civilian
women and children. Can you share with us the nature
of the of the crime just as it exists today
in the concerns that you have.
Speaker 5: You know, let me just say, it's winter now in
that region, okay, and you are talking about seventy five
percent of buildings and public buildings and houses have been destroyed,
totally destroyed, totally, you know, whipped off. So people are
living outside like really under the elements of nature. So
imagine when it is raining and you have children, newborns,
women who are pregnant, who could be you know what
I mean, in this type of situation where water is
flooding them, you know, because they are intents and water
is flooding the tents because they are almost on the
brink of the water. We are talking about two million
people living in a very very small piece of land
and they are on top of each other, and it's
there is no heat, there is no electricity, there is
no running water. You know, everything has to be bring
brought in, tracked in no medication. Hospitals are barely you know, functioning,
none of them, if like even on hospitals and clinics
only for are functioning at the moment out of like
maybe there were twenty seven before this crisis, or thirty
seven before this crisis. So you are you are talking
about people in extreme you're like food like insecurity, because
we all have seen it's you know, the malnutrition is skyrocketing.
We are seeing women dying in childbirths when we shouldn't
see any woman dying in childbirths, especially that we are
talking about small piece of land. But all these you know,
security lines and incursions and attacks on healthcare workers and
on humanitarian workers.
Speaker 4: Don't forget that more than.
Speaker 5: Three hundred and eighty nine people were killed who are
uneras staff in Gaza and humanitarian worker that were targeted
and killed. So you are talking about you're like a
need for more services, but the people who provide the
services are limited. Plus nothing is coming in in the
amount that it should come in. You know, like Gaza
would need five hundred trucks every day and they are
not getting even one hundred truck every day, and it
has to go through security checks and everything has to
go out and then come in because everything has to
be checked. You cannot even get an oxygen cylender for
a hospital to go to go.
Speaker 1: And yeah, let me share with our listeners for moments
I can help them understand exactly what you just said.
The example I'm going to give you, those of us
who are those of you who are listening to our
program today is an imperfect example. There's no doubt about it.
I'm not going to compare one group's pain or misery
over and against another person's pain or misery, but I
want to make it crystal clear what I think I
just heard doctor Decoq describe. She described the conditions in
the super Dome during Hurricane Katrina. That people are living
on top of each other in the most unsanitary and
unprotected of conditions, Unable to get food, unable to get
a cylinder for people who cannot breathe, unable to get dialysis,
unable to get medical care, pregnant women unable to get
maternal care, and the government not functioning, turning its back
on people in damp, humid, wet, and even cold in
the case of Katrina hot conditions. I wanted to bring
Ania our listeners into the description for what they've experienced
and their relatives experienced here in that small, isolated space
which I saw on a documentary just a few short
days ago, because I think everything that you shared with
me in that description, save for the fact that the
people of New Orleans were not bombed into that condition,
which is even more traumatic. Go ahead, doctor Hennia, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sorry, you know, thank you.
Speaker 5: You know, we are talking about, you know, like you know,
a catastrophic situation. Really, every UN PERSONNAL who has gone
international I'm not talking even about Palestinian International who gone
into Gaza, they have said this is like doomsday scenario,
you know, like it's like really so bad that it
is impossible for anybody to understand the magnitude of the
suffering that people are having to deal with. And we
are talking about civilian population mostly, you know what I mean, Like, like,
as you said, Hamas is a small portion of the population.
The population is Palestinian civilian population who are refugees. They
are not you know, freedom fighters or whatever it is
what we want to call it. They are civilian population.
They are teachers, doctors, you know, health workers, shopkeepers, whatever,
you know what I mean, whatever they have to do.
They are farmers, agricultural workers. They are all suffering. There
is not enough food in Gaza, for example, for sure,
you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean, there is not enough material to build.
Speaker 5: Also, you know, you are talking about even getting materials
for rebuilding of Gaza, which basically was promised that they
will rebuild Gaza and rebuild Gaza better. There is nothing
coming in and the population is in dire need of everything.
Plus you know, the climate condition at the moment is
just dramatic. No sanitation, no medical care, no food enough,
no schools working enough, you know, because like that most
of the schools have been destroyed and Honora schools actually
have been destroyed and targeted. And on top of that,
even the schools that are currently available, they are hosting refugees.
People are trying to stay there because at least they
will be.
Speaker 4: Better in this type of conditions.
Speaker 5: So I really feel that we really need to focus
again on Gaza because people think, you know, because all
the ceasfire is happening.
Speaker 4: People are not being killed.
Speaker 5: People are being killed on a daily basis still at
the moment. And at the same time, it's not only
they are killed in Gaza, they are also killed in
the West Bank. So and this is going to continue
because more than one thousand people were killed in the
West Bank just you know, in the last two years
since the.
Speaker 4: War broke between Hannas and Israel.
Speaker 1: Over from my side, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening
to Worldwide with pl the Silva are very special. Guest
is doctor Hennia Tacack. We have more to discuss on
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show regarding the condition of the
Palestinian It's in the Gaza Strip, and I'd like to
also pose the question when we come forward about any
reconstruction efforts doctor de Silva that might be being discussed
in terms of providing the Palestinians with some level of
civilized living, including but not limited to the construction or
the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip on the scale that
will probably require the entire world community's involvement. I'm Jesse
Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show
on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty more with doctor Peel
da Silva and doctor Aniadcock. When we come forward, I'm
Jesse Junior.
Speaker 4: Welcome forward.
Speaker 1: To the Jesse Jackson Junior show on Wealthy Wednesday is
our very special regular contributor, Doctor Peel da Silva is
with us and also our very special guest, doctor Henia
the Cock. Doctor de Cock has been doing a lot
of work with Palastinian She's a Palestinian doctor and when
we think about Palestinian refugees, particularly the most vulnerable amongst
the Palestinian refugees, women and children. There's also a role
for the United Nations in that I want to ask
doctor Decock about some of the practical issues that delivering
the following services are in the camps UNFPA. The United
Nations Population Fund is the uns sexual and reproductive health
agency working globally to ensure every pregnancy is wanted, every
childbirth is safe, and every young person's potential is fulfilled
by providing reproductive health services, promoting gender equality, and addressing
population issues like family planning, maternal health, and gender based violence.
Established in nineteen sixty nine, it supports countries in improving
reproductive health, collecting population data, and empowering women and youth
with goals including indo provenalvinable maternal deaths and harmful practices
like FGM and child marriage. I'm wondering doctor Decc what
some of the practical issues use are the UNFPA needs
to overcome the delivery, productive and midwifery health services for
Palestinian one.
Speaker 4: Thank you Jesse.
Speaker 5: There are many elements that UNFPA provide in humanitarian setting
maternal services for example, making sure that women can deliver
safely and with no infection and being able to get
life saving emergence of cetric care. So we work on
many levels. So at the level of like let us
say a midwife supporting a woman in childbirth, plus you know,
making sure that if the woman has complicated pregnancy and
need to deliver urgently, then there is emergency of cefect
care available so that we can do a cesarean section
and be able to deliver the baby safely and also
save the woman's life. So for u NFPA, getting the
medical supplies in and having the trained personnel are very
very essential.
Speaker 4: They are really life saving in that sense.
Speaker 5: So even the basics at the moment are not available
in Gaza, so it's very important that UNFPA gets all
these supplies inside Gaza.
Speaker 4: In order to basically be able to.
Speaker 5: Save lives, the woman's life and the child lives. But
at the same time, you know, there are maybe women
who don't want to have kids at this moment, so
that's at the same time, if the woman needs family
planning device or tablets or pills, that the pills are
available and it's available for them.
Speaker 4: If we are talking.
Speaker 5: About women who are you know, like exposed to sexual
violence or gender based violence, they have to have the
minimum you know, elements of making sure.
Speaker 4: That we uh.
Speaker 5: Stop any infection from happening, making sure that you know,
we provide PROFILEXIS for HIV AIDS, you know, all of
these things you know that needs to be provided, plus
provide psychosocial support and psychological care for these women. Uh.
And this process is not going to be one day,
two days, or you know, one time. It has to
be continuous for a period of time in order to
ensure that these uh women.
Speaker 4: Have the care they need.
Speaker 5: So definitely we support medical doctors, health professionals, personnel, midwives,
nurses in order to do their work. We support mobile
health teams. At the moment, as you know, all the
health facilities have been destroyed or you know, totally and
functioning at the moment, so we are doing mobile teams
that goes out and support the women and really provide
maternal health and newborn health because also you don't forget
that a lot of the newborns need attention also because
otherwise they will die from currently because of the weather,
they will die from hypothermia, you know, from something which
basically should not happen in this time and age that
we have children dying from hypothermia or because they got
an infection and they have.
Speaker 4: Tetanos or something like that.
Speaker 5: So we need to make sure that these supplies are available,
and so UNFA provide emergency reproductive health kids which are prepositioned,
you know, they are proposed. So they are big kits.
They are not small things that you carry on. They
are really.
Speaker 4: One ton type of like big supplies.
Speaker 5: Everything that you need for a c section, everything that
you need to resuscitate the baby, incubators, ultra sounds, all
of this type of things that you would enable a
medical personnel to provide the support, ivy fluids, all of this,
antibiotics for dealing with any infections. All of this needs
to be provided for women in this type of situation.
So it's very important that we deal with all of
this at the same time we prevent sexual violence and
gender based violence from happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I want to answer the question that you
asked me in the previous segment. So, Gaza's reconstruction is
a monumental, decades long challenge, and it's facing immense rubble,
you know, the clearing of rubble. There's more than fifty
million tons of rubble which are laced with explosives that
has to be cleared. Okay, that's going to take a
long time. You can't snap your fingers in the White
House and think that it's going to get done. No,
it's going to take a long long time. Can you
imagine more than fifty million tons. Then there's a massive
funding need. The estimation is more than seventy billion dollars
is needed. And because of the severe infrastructure damage right
and the restricted aid access which doctor Henna was talking about,
and the political instability caused by the Israelis with urgent
need as she said, for shelter, food, water, sanitation, and
medical care. So these are the hurdles that need to
be overcome. Also, security concerns for Palestinians who are getting
killed every day, you know, despite the so called ceasefire
and governance issues. You know, who's going to take over
and run Gaza. These are critical issues that need to
be taken into account and we have to start, you know,
initially the massive debris removal and the temporary housing that's needed, Okay,
and these are the immediate focus, and then the long
term rebuilding faces major roadblocks and debates put forward by
the Israelis and an unhelpful Trump administration. So if you
look at the housing crisis, over sixty percent of housing
is destroyed and beyond repair. It had, Yeah, it displaced
nearly two million people into inadequate tents and shelters. And
this is according to a RAND report, the IRC International
Rescue Committee and doctor Henry Dukka, who has been on
the ground. The rebel, as I said, is millions of
tons of debris laced with unexploded ordnance. It must be cleared,
a process that alone could take years, and that is
said by the Brookings Institute and un sources. Right, and
the infrastructure collapsed, the critical systems for water, sanitation, electricity,
healthcare and education that needs to be rebuilt. Er, it's
just terrible, it's horrendous what the Palestinians have been subjected.
Speaker 1: We're going to pick back up on this when we
come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more. Will
we come forward on KBLA Sport to Jesse Jackson Show,
KPL Talk fifteen eighty. This is worldwide with Peel the Silver.
Doctor Peel the Silver is a scholar, a operative within
very backroom diplomatic relationships across the entire globe, resolving conflict,
bringing people together and doing the necessary leg work that
oftentimes people don't get credit for. I'm particularly honored on
this particular session of our show, the doctor Hania de Cock,
one of his close and dear friends, is with us
on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Doctor Desilver and doctor
de Cock, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Thank you, Thank you, Jesse, Thank you, Jesse.
Speaker 3: I'd like to say something.
Speaker 1: You were saying something about reconstruction.
Speaker 3: You were finishing your right, so I wanted to give
you a sense of the time frame. Right experts in
reconstruction predicting that it could take over eighty years in total,
so between sixteen to eighty years. That's the time frame
for reconstruction, eighty years. You and I will be dead
and gone by then. Sixteen to eighty years.
Speaker 1: I plan to be here, Pl, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: That's how long it's going to go. And if you
look at the costs, it's suggesting that it's seventy billion,
and fifteen billion is just for housing, and the immediate
stuff that needs to do is to remove the debris. Okay,
give cash for work for people, right because they have
no money and established temporary housing and they require stability
and cooperation. The long term vision is, as I said,
sixteen to eighty years, and that is the scenario that
we have faced. That's the terrible cruelty that has been
done to the Palestinian people, the original people in Palestine.
Speaker 1: You know, in this moment, I'm thinking that that given
what Jared Kushner has said and what the President has
spoken to on occasion, it's clear increasingly PL that this
was deliberate, that the destruction of infrastructure for the Palestinian
people was to essentially ad next to Gaza into the
state of Israel, yes, and relocate the Palestinians altogether. Your
thoughts on that extreme.
Speaker 3: Example, they want to create an exodus, but an exodus
of the Palestinians out of their original homeland Palestine. And
that's what has happened since nineteen forty eight. We've had
various episodic issues of violence against the Palestinian to depopulate Palestine.
Because if you give the same right of return that
Israelis have to come back to Israel, if you give
that to the Palestinians, the Palestinians would be by and
large the majority of the people who return. They have
oh family. But the Israelis don't give Palestinians the right
of return, and this is part of the problem. These
are huge structural problems, and the Israelis are not respecting
international law or the United Nations, and the United States
has been aiding and abetting them, together with their European allies,
ever since Israel was established. Why should the Palestinians pay
for the guilt of the Europeans for the Holocaust. The
Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust, or the
Nazis or the terrible things that were done to Jews
in Europe.
Speaker 1: I am I am completely struck just by the length
of time that is required in order to reconstruct what
has what has taken place systematically in the Gaza. I'm
gonna have to reflect on it for quite some time.
Doctor the Cock, Is there anything else that you want
to add that our listeners should understand about the nature
of the crisis.
Speaker 5: I think at the moment, people really should watch what's
happening in Gaza currently and continue supporting people to really
uh be able to reconstruct and rebuild Gaza.
Speaker 4: Gaza is one.
Speaker 5: Of the like all the ancient ancient cities in the world,
you know what I mean, it's uh it has Christian,
Muslim and Jews, you know, people who live there for centuries.
And it's very important that like a cultural city like
Gaza should go to ruins the way we have seen it.
And I think what we need is hope, hope for peace,
hope for reconstruction, people being able to build, to live
safely and rebuild because at the moment, there is no
place is safe in Gaza. There is no place is safe,
you know. I you know, you have drones over there
people's head on a daily basis. People could not sleep
during you know, the attacks because of the drones.
Speaker 4: So imagine you know, it's a technological war.
Speaker 5: It's not only a war because of you know, like
the bombs, and it's a technological you know, like they
could target any person now through the cell phone, through
no messages, all of that. It's very very difficult for
people to live unless they feel some sort of safety.
And at the same time, people don't want to leave Gaza.
They really want to remain. They want to be rebuilt
and they want to live in peace and safely, and
we cannot do that if.
Speaker 4: This is going to continue being you know, like there is.
Speaker 5: A yellow line and you don't know where's that yellow
lines like ends or start because nobody can see it.
Speaker 4: You know, there is no lines.
Speaker 5: It's just it's a line that is drawn on a
daily basis based on different intelligence. And it's really becoming
very very difficult for people.
Speaker 4: And I want people to not forget. There is also
the West Bank. It's not the annexation of Gaza.
Speaker 5: It's what's happening in the West Bank at the moment,
and what's happening even in Jerusalem. So recently a clinic
that is supported by it's an CLINICU and clinic actually
was shut down in Jerusalem and you know, was not
being able to like to to to support the refugees
who are living in the surrounding of Jerusalem area. So
this is just to give you an example of the
daily struggles that people are living. There is like like
a check points everywhere. People cannot move from one place
to another. People have been like pushed out different times.
They have like people are pushed out from Ginea and
refugee camp, from two Kent refugee camps. So it's not
about you know, only Gaza. I think people need to
really open their eyes and see what's happening to the
Palestinia across Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza.
Speaker 1: Including the settlements. I do want to ask this question.
I know that we have about three minutes before we
come forward, and I think I think pl or maybe
even Ania will be with us for just another moment
or so. In the next segment, what about the security
security concerns on the ground. Now that much of the conflict,
at least as I understand it is over and it
seems to be some movement towards peace. Are we talking
about a UN presence? Are we talking about an international
presence to provide security for the Palestinians. We have about
about a little more than a minute. In forty five seconds,
what are we talking about in terms of security for
the people while eighty or fifty million tons of concrete,
greebar and mortar is moved. Either one of you please.
Speaker 4: Maybe p l will start and then I will finish Piel.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the thing is this security. You know, the Israelis
always talk about security. They are the aggressors, but they
have this victim victimhood mentality saying no, no, no, we
are the victims. We're killing the Palestinis, but we are
the victims. And that's the kind of security scenario that
we are saying. And nobody from the noble United States
or the Western countries, apart from say, Spain and a
few others, are saying anything to call this into question.
Where is the safety and the security? The United Nations
was built on the ashes of World War Two to
provide peace and security for peoples across the world, so
that we will not go into a situation that we
saw during World War Two where people were simply slaughtered
by the Nazis and the fascists in Italy. So that
is that is the fulcrum of all of this. Who
is going to guarantee peace, safety and security for the
Palestinian peoples.
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