1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,439 Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,719 It is thought for boking Thursday. I'm sorry, it is 3 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:11,640 Wealthy Wednesdays with Doctor P. L. De Silva, where we 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,199 will be in the world House and worldwide with pl 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,800 da Silva. Doctor de Silva has over twenty years experience 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,160 backroom diplomacy, mediation and negotiation. He has taught politics international 7 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:27,559 relations in several graduate undergraduate programs at universities in New York, 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,239 New Jersey, Long Island and Queen's University in Belfast in 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,840 Northern Ireland. Doctor de Silva's publications include post modern Insurgencies, 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,880 political Violence, Identity Formation and Peacemaking and Comparative Perspective. He 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,439 is the co founder, with Professor W. D. Lakshman, former 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,640 Vice Chancellor of the University of Colombo, of the International 13 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:52,679 War Related Trauma and Humanitarian Intervention Trust, setting up psychosocial 14 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:56,759 training programs for practitioners serving combatants non combatants during the 15 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:59,719 Sri Lanka Civil War. Doctor de Silva, Welcome forward to 16 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:02,719 the Jeff Jackson Junior Show. Very good to be on 17 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:05,640 the show, Jesse. I'm particularly honored that you are here 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,120 today and so grateful, Doctor de Silva. So much is 19 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:11,359 going on in the world, and I know that I'm 20 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:13,079 going to be bringing our guest up in just a moment, 21 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:16,040 but I want to get your initial take on what's 22 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:20,239 taking place. The Danish Prime Minister as well as the 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,239 foreign Minister of Greenland met with the President of the 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,599 United States today along with Marco Rubio around at least 25 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,359 from my perspective, the outlandish idea that the President of 26 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:34,120 the United States wants to add the green territory to 27 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:35,480 the United States of America. 28 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:42,599 Speaker 2: Your initial thoughts, Yes, it's extremely worrying and we could 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,920 actually see the dismantling of NATO if actually US troops 30 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:50,359 moved to take, you. 31 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:56,599 Speaker 3: Know, military control of Greenland. There are US troops, you know, 32 00:01:56,599 --> 00:02:00,760 a small number of troops in the US space program 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,879 in NUK, north of NUK, which is the capital of Iceland. 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:15,520 And I'm wondering because my question is who would benefit 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,719 if NATO collapses. That's the question I want to leave 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,039 our our our audience with who would who would benefit? 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,360 Who'd be happy to see NATO disappear? Because if the 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:36,719 US and European allies start squabbling over Greenland, that will 39 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:38,319 be the net outcome. 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: On in Vladimir Putin would be the beneficiary of the 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,879 collapse of the North American Treaty Organization. That's my opinion, 42 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,479 but I'm sure we'll delve into it further. Doctor de 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Silva has brought with him a very special guest, Doctor 44 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:54,199 Hania the Cock, is the head of the Policy and 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,479 Laison Unit with the United Nations Population Fund Humanitarian Office. 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Doctor de Cock provides you and f PA Country and 47 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:04,840 Regional office with advice on policy coordination and technical support 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,360 related to humanitarian preparedness, emergency response, disaster risk reduction, recovery 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,240 and resilience. Her goal and role is to advance gender equality, 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,319 to promote sexual and reproductive health and rights, including minstrel health, 51 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:23,560 mental health and psychosocial support, and to prevent and respond 52 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:27,240 to gender based violence issues in humanitarian settings and across 53 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:31,360 humanitarian development and peace nexus. Before joining the UN in 54 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:33,360 June of two thousand and four, Doctor de Cock was 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,479 the Field Director or the Director of Relief and Development 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,840 Programs with the International Medical Corps. She managed and developed 57 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:43,360 the technical aspect of service delivery programming to improve quality 58 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,479 of care within im global programs in relief and development settings. 59 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:51,960 Throughout Africa, Central Asia, Middle East, Southeast Asia. She's also 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,879 worked as Technical Advisor for the Reproductive Health and Conflict 61 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:58,240 in the Conflict Consortium, providing technical advice and training to 62 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:02,120 projects implemented in nine countries across conflict and post conflict 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,000 situations around the globe. Doctor the Clock looking forward to 64 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:08,919 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and the great Doctor Piel 65 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,639 de Silvakay. 66 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you Jesse, and thank you pl. 67 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:17,399 Speaker 5: I really enjoy having both of you and listening to 68 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:19,680 both of you because you also bring a lot of 69 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,759 good perspectives. 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,959 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for posting. 71 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Cok. I know we're going to get into some 72 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,839 more critical issues when we come forward after our break, 73 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,560 but we have about a minute and thirty seconds. I'd 74 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,000 like to post the same question to you. Your thoughts 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,120 about the United States and its idea that somehow Greenland 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,680 or Greenland is a territory that it must have as 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,040 part of our regional security. 78 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 5: I think it's very difficult question at the moment because 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,319 there is some sort of how to say, our word 80 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,879 order at the moment, and this word order is collapsing. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,759 This is what it is, you know, sovereignty of States. 82 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,079 You know, all of this, the NATO issues game. Most 83 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,279 probably also Vladimir Putin will be very happy to see 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,680 NEO collapse. So I think it's very difficult to really 85 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,560 understand what is the the end game of this, you know, 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,519 what is behind all of this. In the end of 87 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:21,959 the day, we want to see prosperity for all and 88 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:25,920 it is definitely you know, I mean, the trade issues 89 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,399 are going to be very, very difficult with this type 90 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:34,480 of situation where you have one country overseeing the global. 91 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,879 Speaker 1: Order over I am. I'm profoundly struck by it. And 92 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:42,199 I see one long story that President Barack Obama was 93 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,639 obviously very concerned about and everyone who's fought against Donald Trump, 94 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,720 including the various investigations that he's been in, that something 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,800 was a foot on a scale that we couldn't imagine 96 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,560 and we may be looking at it come to fruition 97 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:55,560 as we speak today. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to 98 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:57,959 Jesse Jackson Junior Show. We have two very special guests today, 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,879 doctor pi Aldo Silva and doctor and to Kok. Will 100 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,800 be more from the Jesse Jackson Genie Show when we 101 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,759 come forward on KBLA Top fifty. Jackson to welcome you 102 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,000 word to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show worldwide with appel 103 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,480 to so I'm veras guest doctor Henniett Takak, and I 104 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,399 wanted to ask let me first at the stage. The 105 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:22,120 United Nations Relief and Workers Agency for Palestinian Refugees in 106 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:25,879 the Near East, or better known by its acronym you RWA, 107 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,519 is a UN agency established in nineteen forty nine to 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,079 provide humanitarian aid and development assistance to Palestinian refugees in 109 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,399 the Middle East, supporting millions with education, health care, and 110 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:41,839 social services in the Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon 111 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:47,040 and Syria, funded primarily by voluntary contributions from UN member states. 112 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,959 What they do They provide primary and vocational education. They 113 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,959 deliver primary health care services, offer a social safety net, 114 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:59,959 budd assistant and emergency support. They provide infrastructure by improving 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,199 camps and essential infrastructure, and micro finance by providing small 116 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,160 loans to refugees. And I want to talk with doctor 117 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,439 the COC about the practical issues facing you and RW 118 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,759 and other UN agencies when delivering humanitarian aid and assistance 119 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,480 in the Gaza. Doctor de Cock, this is our longest 120 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,000 segment about twenty minutes. Please take your time and share 121 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,720 with us your thoughts. 122 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:26,079 Speaker 4: Thank you. 123 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,519 Speaker 1: Jesse. 124 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,279 Speaker 5: I think is facing a lot of challenges, especially in 125 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,199 Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem. 126 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: So as you know. 127 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 5: Or you and Refugee Work Agency for Palestinians has been 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,040 established since nineteen forty nine and it actually services around 129 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:55,240 five point nine million refugee Palestinian refugees across the globe. 130 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,680 So it's not only that they are in West Bank, 131 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,959 Gaza and Jerusalem. They also support programs in Jordan and 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,560 in Lebanon and in Syria, and so there's so many 133 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,920 refugee camps still around the world in this until this 134 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:18,959 moment that are you know, like they were born from 135 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:23,199 refugees and they are the off offsprings of refugees. So 136 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,680 it's never going to go away, you know. It's there 137 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 is a right issue. There is a right for these 138 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:37,480 people to have support based on the UN resolution General 139 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,799 Assembly resolution in nineteen forty nine. And it is not 140 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,480 only that they do the medical services or the health services, 141 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,639 they also do food distribution and since you know, like 142 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:54,720 since January, they haven't been able to do any food 143 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,919 distribution in Gaza, for example, this just gives you an 144 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:05,720 example of the magnitude of problems that Palestinian refugees in 145 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,960 Gaza are facing. And Gaza is seventy five percent of 146 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,159 the population of Gaza is refugees. 147 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,639 Speaker 4: Also, so it's not. 148 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: Only that there are population who is indigenous to Gaza, 149 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:21,039 but there are refugees from nineteen forty eight who are 150 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,840 still in Gaza and Gaza Strip who are living there. 151 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,720 And they are now the two million that have been 152 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:34,440 you know, bombarded NonStop for the last two years, eight 153 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:41,360 hundred and something days of bombardment and some yellow lines 154 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:44,519 and green lines here and green lines there. 155 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: They are not getting humanitarian assistance as they should be. 156 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: And then let me ask you a quick question if I mind. 157 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,600 And then just for clarity, you're saying that there are 158 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:57,480 refugees within the Gaza Strip who are Gazans, but you're 159 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:01,159 also suggesting that the global diaspora has also absorbed in 160 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:09,080 camps a Palestinian or specifically Guzens, who may outnumber the 161 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,519 actual number of Gusens who are in the Gaza Strip, 162 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,639 who are actually in refugee camps around the world. 163 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,639 Speaker 5: Yes, they do, you know. For example, let us let's 164 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:19,720 give me. Let me give you an example. There were 165 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:24,240 a lot of guzzen in Libya before the Libya crisis, 166 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:28,519 and they were stuck that nobody once wanted them, you know, 167 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,000 they were not need Egypt will not allow them in 168 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,000 and they will not be able to go to Gaza 169 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,879 because Israel will not allow them in. So they were 170 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,720 stuck in refugee camps for a long period of time. 171 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: Doctor to Silva. 172 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,879 Speaker 3: Yes, So, doctor Dukak is born and bred in Jerusalem. 173 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,279 She's from Jerusalem, She's a Palestinian. She studied her medicine 174 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:01,200 in doughnut Skin Eastern Ukraine. 175 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,519 Speaker 1: Speaks fluent Russian. 176 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:11,159 Speaker 3: She knows the humanitarian situation extremely well. And I'm very 177 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:14,639 happy that she's here as somebody who has, you know, 178 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:18,720 on the ground experience to talk about the situation of 179 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:23,000 the Palestinians. We need Palestinians to talk about Palestinian issues, 180 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:27,559 and I'm very happy to have doctor Dakak here with 181 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,159 us today. 182 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,279 Speaker 1: I think Doctor I want to add that for many 183 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,399 of us, we all witnessed obviously the events that occurred 184 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,120 on October seventh and what they represented in terms of 185 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:45,200 the war on Hamas that ensued, but the world I 186 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,559 don't believe, at least initially it may have, has not 187 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,639 turned its back on the idea of the humanitarians suffering 188 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,919 that is taking place in the Gaza for innocent civilian 189 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:59,080 women and children. Can you share with us the nature 190 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,240 of the of the crime just as it exists today 191 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,480 in the concerns that you have. 192 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 5: You know, let me just say, it's winter now in 193 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,559 that region, okay, and you are talking about seventy five 194 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:20,600 percent of buildings and public buildings and houses have been destroyed, 195 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,399 totally destroyed, totally, you know, whipped off. So people are 196 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:30,360 living outside like really under the elements of nature. So 197 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:36,759 imagine when it is raining and you have children, newborns, 198 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,600 women who are pregnant, who could be you know what 199 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,120 I mean, in this type of situation where water is 200 00:12:44,159 --> 00:12:48,679 flooding them, you know, because they are intents and water 201 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,759 is flooding the tents because they are almost on the 202 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,480 brink of the water. We are talking about two million 203 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:00,960 people living in a very very small piece of land 204 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,759 and they are on top of each other, and it's 205 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:07,919 there is no heat, there is no electricity, there is 206 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,639 no running water. You know, everything has to be bring 207 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,399 brought in, tracked in no medication. Hospitals are barely you know, functioning, 208 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,600 none of them, if like even on hospitals and clinics 209 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:27,600 only for are functioning at the moment out of like 210 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,279 maybe there were twenty seven before this crisis, or thirty 211 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,000 seven before this crisis. So you are you are talking 212 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:43,720 about people in extreme you're like food like insecurity, because 213 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,159 we all have seen it's you know, the malnutrition is skyrocketing. 214 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:53,480 We are seeing women dying in childbirths when we shouldn't 215 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,919 see any woman dying in childbirths, especially that we are 216 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,799 talking about small piece of land. But all these you know, 217 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:10,000 security lines and incursions and attacks on healthcare workers and 218 00:14:10,279 --> 00:14:12,440 on humanitarian workers. 219 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: Don't forget that more than. 220 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 5: Three hundred and eighty nine people were killed who are 221 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,879 uneras staff in Gaza and humanitarian worker that were targeted 222 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,240 and killed. So you are talking about you're like a 223 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:30,919 need for more services, but the people who provide the 224 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,039 services are limited. Plus nothing is coming in in the 225 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,840 amount that it should come in. You know, like Gaza 226 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,440 would need five hundred trucks every day and they are 227 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,039 not getting even one hundred truck every day, and it 228 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,519 has to go through security checks and everything has to 229 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,879 go out and then come in because everything has to 230 00:14:53,919 --> 00:14:58,000 be checked. You cannot even get an oxygen cylender for 231 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,000 a hospital to go to go. 232 00:15:02,679 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, let me share with our listeners for moments 233 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,159 I can help them understand exactly what you just said. 234 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:14,080 The example I'm going to give you, those of us 235 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,000 who are those of you who are listening to our 236 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:20,399 program today is an imperfect example. There's no doubt about it. 237 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,600 I'm not going to compare one group's pain or misery 238 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,720 over and against another person's pain or misery, but I 239 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:30,559 want to make it crystal clear what I think I 240 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:36,919 just heard doctor Decoq describe. She described the conditions in 241 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:44,240 the super Dome during Hurricane Katrina. That people are living 242 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:48,080 on top of each other in the most unsanitary and 243 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,919 unprotected of conditions, Unable to get food, unable to get 244 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,840 a cylinder for people who cannot breathe, unable to get dialysis, 245 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,879 unable to get medical care, pregnant women unable to get 246 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:13,399 maternal care, and the government not functioning, turning its back 247 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,519 on people in damp, humid, wet, and even cold in 248 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:22,960 the case of Katrina hot conditions. I wanted to bring 249 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:29,080 Ania our listeners into the description for what they've experienced 250 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,879 and their relatives experienced here in that small, isolated space 251 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,279 which I saw on a documentary just a few short 252 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,279 days ago, because I think everything that you shared with 253 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,519 me in that description, save for the fact that the 254 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:47,039 people of New Orleans were not bombed into that condition, 255 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:50,440 which is even more traumatic. Go ahead, doctor Hennia, I'm. 256 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:51,879 Speaker 4: Sorry, you know, thank you. 257 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 5: You know, we are talking about, you know, like you know, 258 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,399 a catastrophic situation. Really, every UN PERSONNAL who has gone 259 00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:06,519 international I'm not talking even about Palestinian International who gone 260 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:11,640 into Gaza, they have said this is like doomsday scenario, 261 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,400 you know, like it's like really so bad that it 262 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:20,319 is impossible for anybody to understand the magnitude of the 263 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,240 suffering that people are having to deal with. And we 264 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:29,359 are talking about civilian population mostly, you know what I mean, Like, like, 265 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,880 as you said, Hamas is a small portion of the population. 266 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,759 The population is Palestinian civilian population who are refugees. They 267 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:43,720 are not you know, freedom fighters or whatever it is 268 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:47,319 what we want to call it. They are civilian population. 269 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:55,920 They are teachers, doctors, you know, health workers, shopkeepers, whatever, 270 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:58,359 you know what I mean, whatever they have to do. 271 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:04,079 They are farmers, agricultural workers. They are all suffering. There 272 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,960 is not enough food in Gaza, for example, for sure, 273 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:08,519 you know what. 274 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: I mean, there is not enough material to build. 275 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,799 Speaker 5: Also, you know, you are talking about even getting materials 276 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:21,240 for rebuilding of Gaza, which basically was promised that they 277 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,400 will rebuild Gaza and rebuild Gaza better. There is nothing 278 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,039 coming in and the population is in dire need of everything. 279 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,880 Plus you know, the climate condition at the moment is 280 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,799 just dramatic. No sanitation, no medical care, no food enough, 281 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,480 no schools working enough, you know, because like that most 282 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:50,039 of the schools have been destroyed and Honora schools actually 283 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:54,480 have been destroyed and targeted. And on top of that, 284 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,920 even the schools that are currently available, they are hosting refugees. 285 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,440 People are trying to stay there because at least they 286 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:08,319 will be. 287 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 4: Better in this type of conditions. 288 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 5: So I really feel that we really need to focus 289 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:17,160 again on Gaza because people think, you know, because all 290 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,119 the ceasfire is happening. 291 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:20,039 Speaker 4: People are not being killed. 292 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: People are being killed on a daily basis still at 293 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,640 the moment. And at the same time, it's not only 294 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,119 they are killed in Gaza, they are also killed in 295 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,680 the West Bank. So and this is going to continue 296 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,839 because more than one thousand people were killed in the 297 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,880 West Bank just you know, in the last two years 298 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,640 since the. 299 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,519 Speaker 4: War broke between Hannas and Israel. 300 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: Over from my side, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening 301 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,079 to Worldwide with pl the Silva are very special. Guest 302 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,319 is doctor Hennia Tacack. We have more to discuss on 303 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,200 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show regarding the condition of the 304 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,880 Palestinian It's in the Gaza Strip, and I'd like to 305 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,359 also pose the question when we come forward about any 306 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,359 reconstruction efforts doctor de Silva that might be being discussed 307 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:13,000 in terms of providing the Palestinians with some level of 308 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,400 civilized living, including but not limited to the construction or 309 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,440 the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip on the scale that 310 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:24,480 will probably require the entire world community's involvement. I'm Jesse 311 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:27,359 Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show 312 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,799 on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty more with doctor Peel 313 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,119 da Silva and doctor Aniadcock. When we come forward, I'm 314 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Jesse Junior. 315 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 4: Welcome forward. 316 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,319 Speaker 1: To the Jesse Jackson Junior show on Wealthy Wednesday is 317 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,799 our very special regular contributor, Doctor Peel da Silva is 318 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:45,920 with us and also our very special guest, doctor Henia 319 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,599 the Cock. Doctor de Cock has been doing a lot 320 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,400 of work with Palastinian She's a Palestinian doctor and when 321 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,559 we think about Palestinian refugees, particularly the most vulnerable amongst 322 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:05,440 the Palestinian refugees, women and children. There's also a role 323 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:07,680 for the United Nations in that I want to ask 324 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,039 doctor Decock about some of the practical issues that delivering 325 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:15,640 the following services are in the camps UNFPA. The United 326 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,839 Nations Population Fund is the uns sexual and reproductive health 327 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,759 agency working globally to ensure every pregnancy is wanted, every 328 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,839 childbirth is safe, and every young person's potential is fulfilled 329 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:32,200 by providing reproductive health services, promoting gender equality, and addressing 330 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,599 population issues like family planning, maternal health, and gender based violence. 331 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Established in nineteen sixty nine, it supports countries in improving 332 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,160 reproductive health, collecting population data, and empowering women and youth 333 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,720 with goals including indo provenalvinable maternal deaths and harmful practices 334 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:58,400 like FGM and child marriage. I'm wondering doctor Decc what 335 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,480 some of the practical issues use are the UNFPA needs 336 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,319 to overcome the delivery, productive and midwifery health services for 337 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,480 Palestinian one. 338 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,839 Speaker 4: Thank you Jesse. 339 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:17,039 Speaker 5: There are many elements that UNFPA provide in humanitarian setting 340 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,720 maternal services for example, making sure that women can deliver 341 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,000 safely and with no infection and being able to get 342 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,079 life saving emergence of cetric care. So we work on 343 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,000 many levels. So at the level of like let us 344 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,599 say a midwife supporting a woman in childbirth, plus you know, 345 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,440 making sure that if the woman has complicated pregnancy and 346 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,720 need to deliver urgently, then there is emergency of cefect 347 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,880 care available so that we can do a cesarean section 348 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,559 and be able to deliver the baby safely and also 349 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:06,079 save the woman's life. So for u NFPA, getting the 350 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,720 medical supplies in and having the trained personnel are very 351 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:12,680 very essential. 352 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:16,079 Speaker 4: They are really life saving in that sense. 353 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 5: So even the basics at the moment are not available 354 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:25,799 in Gaza, so it's very important that UNFPA gets all 355 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,680 these supplies inside Gaza. 356 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,039 Speaker 4: In order to basically be able to. 357 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:35,599 Speaker 5: Save lives, the woman's life and the child lives. But 358 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,240 at the same time, you know, there are maybe women 359 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:42,039 who don't want to have kids at this moment, so 360 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,680 that's at the same time, if the woman needs family 361 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,799 planning device or tablets or pills, that the pills are 362 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,279 available and it's available for them. 363 00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:58,799 Speaker 4: If we are talking. 364 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 5: About women who are you know, like exposed to sexual 365 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,000 violence or gender based violence, they have to have the 366 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,039 minimum you know, elements of making sure. 367 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: That we uh. 368 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,279 Speaker 5: Stop any infection from happening, making sure that you know, 369 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,119 we provide PROFILEXIS for HIV AIDS, you know, all of 370 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,240 these things you know that needs to be provided, plus 371 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,880 provide psychosocial support and psychological care for these women. Uh. 372 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,400 And this process is not going to be one day, 373 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,920 two days, or you know, one time. It has to 374 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,039 be continuous for a period of time in order to 375 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,440 ensure that these uh women. 376 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,039 Speaker 4: Have the care they need. 377 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 5: So definitely we support medical doctors, health professionals, personnel, midwives, 378 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:58,400 nurses in order to do their work. We support mobile 379 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,319 health teams. At the moment, as you know, all the 380 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,200 health facilities have been destroyed or you know, totally and 381 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240 functioning at the moment, so we are doing mobile teams 382 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:17,359 that goes out and support the women and really provide 383 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,680 maternal health and newborn health because also you don't forget 384 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,079 that a lot of the newborns need attention also because 385 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,759 otherwise they will die from currently because of the weather, 386 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,039 they will die from hypothermia, you know, from something which 387 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,960 basically should not happen in this time and age that 388 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,640 we have children dying from hypothermia or because they got 389 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,319 an infection and they have. 390 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: Tetanos or something like that. 391 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 5: So we need to make sure that these supplies are available, 392 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:58,759 and so UNFA provide emergency reproductive health kids which are prepositioned, 393 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,440 you know, they are proposed. So they are big kits. 394 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,559 They are not small things that you carry on. They 395 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:05,720 are really. 396 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:10,599 Speaker 4: One ton type of like big supplies. 397 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: Everything that you need for a c section, everything that 398 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:19,880 you need to resuscitate the baby, incubators, ultra sounds, all 399 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,839 of this type of things that you would enable a 400 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,359 medical personnel to provide the support, ivy fluids, all of this, 401 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:35,759 antibiotics for dealing with any infections. All of this needs 402 00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,359 to be provided for women in this type of situation. 403 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,279 So it's very important that we deal with all of 404 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:47,119 this at the same time we prevent sexual violence and 405 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,880 gender based violence from happening. 406 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 407 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,559 Speaker 3: Yes, So I want to answer the question that you 408 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:58,839 asked me in the previous segment. So, Gaza's reconstruction is 409 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:07,559 a monumental, decades long challenge, and it's facing immense rubble, 410 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,119 you know, the clearing of rubble. There's more than fifty 411 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,480 million tons of rubble which are laced with explosives that 412 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,319 has to be cleared. Okay, that's going to take a 413 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,079 long time. You can't snap your fingers in the White 414 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,759 House and think that it's going to get done. No, 415 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,200 it's going to take a long long time. Can you 416 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,200 imagine more than fifty million tons. Then there's a massive 417 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,160 funding need. The estimation is more than seventy billion dollars 418 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:40,599 is needed. And because of the severe infrastructure damage right 419 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,480 and the restricted aid access which doctor Henna was talking about, 420 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,319 and the political instability caused by the Israelis with urgent 421 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,440 need as she said, for shelter, food, water, sanitation, and 422 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:01,400 medical care. So these are the hurdles that need to 423 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,079 be overcome. Also, security concerns for Palestinians who are getting 424 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,799 killed every day, you know, despite the so called ceasefire 425 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,880 and governance issues. You know, who's going to take over 426 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,240 and run Gaza. These are critical issues that need to 427 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,160 be taken into account and we have to start, you know, 428 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:28,079 initially the massive debris removal and the temporary housing that's needed, Okay, 429 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,359 and these are the immediate focus, and then the long 430 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:37,960 term rebuilding faces major roadblocks and debates put forward by 431 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,279 the Israelis and an unhelpful Trump administration. So if you 432 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:47,039 look at the housing crisis, over sixty percent of housing 433 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,440 is destroyed and beyond repair. It had, Yeah, it displaced 434 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,920 nearly two million people into inadequate tents and shelters. And 435 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,359 this is according to a RAND report, the IRC International 436 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,160 Rescue Committee and doctor Henry Dukka, who has been on 437 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,079 the ground. The rebel, as I said, is millions of 438 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,240 tons of debris laced with unexploded ordnance. It must be cleared, 439 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,160 a process that alone could take years, and that is 440 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,519 said by the Brookings Institute and un sources. Right, and 441 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:27,000 the infrastructure collapsed, the critical systems for water, sanitation, electricity, 442 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:32,079 healthcare and education that needs to be rebuilt. Er, it's 443 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,960 just terrible, it's horrendous what the Palestinians have been subjected. 444 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:37,759 Speaker 1: We're going to pick back up on this when we 445 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,839 come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse 446 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,079 Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more. Will 447 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:48,759 we come forward on KBLA Sport to Jesse Jackson Show, 448 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,519 KPL Talk fifteen eighty. This is worldwide with Peel the Silver. 449 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,319 Doctor Peel the Silver is a scholar, a operative within 450 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:05,960 very backroom diplomatic relationships across the entire globe, resolving conflict, 451 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,400 bringing people together and doing the necessary leg work that 452 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,960 oftentimes people don't get credit for. I'm particularly honored on 453 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,440 this particular session of our show, the doctor Hania de Cock, 454 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,400 one of his close and dear friends, is with us 455 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,799 on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Doctor Desilver and doctor 456 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,920 de Cock, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 457 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,920 Thank you, Thank you, Jesse, Thank you, Jesse. 458 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: I'd like to say something. 459 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,039 Speaker 1: You were saying something about reconstruction. 460 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,799 Speaker 3: You were finishing your right, so I wanted to give 461 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:38,680 you a sense of the time frame. Right experts in 462 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:44,720 reconstruction predicting that it could take over eighty years in total, 463 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,680 so between sixteen to eighty years. That's the time frame 464 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,839 for reconstruction, eighty years. You and I will be dead 465 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,799 and gone by then. Sixteen to eighty years. 466 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,319 Speaker 1: I plan to be here, Pl, I'm telling you. 467 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: That's how long it's going to go. And if you 468 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,720 look at the costs, it's suggesting that it's seventy billion, 469 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,640 and fifteen billion is just for housing, and the immediate 470 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,000 stuff that needs to do is to remove the debris. Okay, 471 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440 give cash for work for people, right because they have 472 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:28,839 no money and established temporary housing and they require stability 473 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,039 and cooperation. The long term vision is, as I said, 474 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,000 sixteen to eighty years, and that is the scenario that 475 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,440 we have faced. That's the terrible cruelty that has been 476 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,720 done to the Palestinian people, the original people in Palestine. 477 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, in this moment, I'm thinking that that given 478 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,759 what Jared Kushner has said and what the President has 479 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,759 spoken to on occasion, it's clear increasingly PL that this 480 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,920 was deliberate, that the destruction of infrastructure for the Palestinian 481 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,160 people was to essentially ad next to Gaza into the 482 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:15,759 state of Israel, yes, and relocate the Palestinians altogether. Your 483 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,960 thoughts on that extreme. 484 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: Example, they want to create an exodus, but an exodus 485 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:28,039 of the Palestinians out of their original homeland Palestine. And 486 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:32,160 that's what has happened since nineteen forty eight. We've had 487 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:41,759 various episodic issues of violence against the Palestinian to depopulate Palestine. 488 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,000 Because if you give the same right of return that 489 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,119 Israelis have to come back to Israel, if you give 490 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,279 that to the Palestinians, the Palestinians would be by and 491 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,720 large the majority of the people who return. They have 492 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,960 oh family. But the Israelis don't give Palestinians the right 493 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:10,640 of return, and this is part of the problem. These 494 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,839 are huge structural problems, and the Israelis are not respecting 495 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,519 international law or the United Nations, and the United States 496 00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:22,359 has been aiding and abetting them, together with their European allies, 497 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,160 ever since Israel was established. Why should the Palestinians pay 498 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,279 for the guilt of the Europeans for the Holocaust. The 499 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,200 Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust, or the 500 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,279 Nazis or the terrible things that were done to Jews 501 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,480 in Europe. 502 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,039 Speaker 1: I am I am completely struck just by the length 503 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,000 of time that is required in order to reconstruct what 504 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,519 has what has taken place systematically in the Gaza. I'm 505 00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,160 gonna have to reflect on it for quite some time. 506 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,119 Doctor the Cock, Is there anything else that you want 507 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,759 to add that our listeners should understand about the nature 508 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:06,680 of the crisis. 509 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 5: I think at the moment, people really should watch what's 510 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,519 happening in Gaza currently and continue supporting people to really 511 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,480 uh be able to reconstruct and rebuild Gaza. 512 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 4: Gaza is one. 513 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 5: Of the like all the ancient ancient cities in the world, 514 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,440 you know what I mean, it's uh it has Christian, 515 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:38,679 Muslim and Jews, you know, people who live there for centuries. 516 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,039 And it's very important that like a cultural city like 517 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,199 Gaza should go to ruins the way we have seen it. 518 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,159 And I think what we need is hope, hope for peace, 519 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,719 hope for reconstruction, people being able to build, to live 520 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,599 safely and rebuild because at the moment, there is no 521 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,199 place is safe in Gaza. There is no place is safe, 522 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,440 you know. I you know, you have drones over there 523 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,199 people's head on a daily basis. People could not sleep 524 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,239 during you know, the attacks because of the drones. 525 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 4: So imagine you know, it's a technological war. 526 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 5: It's not only a war because of you know, like 527 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,519 the bombs, and it's a technological you know, like they 528 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,239 could target any person now through the cell phone, through 529 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:35,360 no messages, all of that. It's very very difficult for 530 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,800 people to live unless they feel some sort of safety. 531 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,119 And at the same time, people don't want to leave Gaza. 532 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,719 They really want to remain. They want to be rebuilt 533 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,880 and they want to live in peace and safely, and 534 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,719 we cannot do that if. 535 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,119 Speaker 4: This is going to continue being you know, like there is. 536 00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 5: A yellow line and you don't know where's that yellow 537 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:05,760 lines like ends or start because nobody can see it. 538 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,599 Speaker 4: You know, there is no lines. 539 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,119 Speaker 5: It's just it's a line that is drawn on a 540 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:16,760 daily basis based on different intelligence. And it's really becoming 541 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,400 very very difficult for people. 542 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,079 Speaker 4: And I want people to not forget. There is also 543 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,920 the West Bank. It's not the annexation of Gaza. 544 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 5: It's what's happening in the West Bank at the moment, 545 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:33,800 and what's happening even in Jerusalem. So recently a clinic 546 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:40,079 that is supported by it's an CLINICU and clinic actually 547 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,320 was shut down in Jerusalem and you know, was not 548 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,599 being able to like to to to support the refugees 549 00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,639 who are living in the surrounding of Jerusalem area. So 550 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000 this is just to give you an example of the 551 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,280 daily struggles that people are living. There is like like 552 00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:03,039 a check points everywhere. People cannot move from one place 553 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:08,960 to another. People have been like pushed out different times. 554 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,599 They have like people are pushed out from Ginea and 555 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,840 refugee camp, from two Kent refugee camps. So it's not 556 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,840 about you know, only Gaza. I think people need to 557 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,719 really open their eyes and see what's happening to the 558 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,440 Palestinia across Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza. 559 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,519 Speaker 1: Including the settlements. I do want to ask this question. 560 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,159 I know that we have about three minutes before we 561 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,440 come forward, and I think I think pl or maybe 562 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880 even Ania will be with us for just another moment 563 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,760 or so. In the next segment, what about the security 564 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,519 security concerns on the ground. Now that much of the conflict, 565 00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:48,360 at least as I understand it is over and it 566 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,119 seems to be some movement towards peace. Are we talking 567 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,760 about a UN presence? Are we talking about an international 568 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,039 presence to provide security for the Palestinians. We have about 569 00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,400 about a little more than a minute. In forty five seconds, 570 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,280 what are we talking about in terms of security for 571 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,800 the people while eighty or fifty million tons of concrete, 572 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,159 greebar and mortar is moved. Either one of you please. 573 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 4: Maybe p l will start and then I will finish Piel. 574 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: Right. 575 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 3: So the thing is this security. You know, the Israelis 576 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:28,960 always talk about security. They are the aggressors, but they 577 00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,719 have this victim victimhood mentality saying no, no, no, we 578 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,719 are the victims. We're killing the Palestinis, but we are 579 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,239 the victims. And that's the kind of security scenario that 580 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:46,039 we are saying. And nobody from the noble United States 581 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:51,400 or the Western countries, apart from say, Spain and a 582 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,880 few others, are saying anything to call this into question. 583 00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:00,000 Where is the safety and the security? The United Nations 584 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,639 was built on the ashes of World War Two to 585 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,320 provide peace and security for peoples across the world, so 586 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,719 that we will not go into a situation that we 587 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,920 saw during World War Two where people were simply slaughtered 588 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,920 by the Nazis and the fascists in Italy. So that 589 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,559 is that is the fulcrum of all of this. Who 590 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:32,320 is going to guarantee peace, safety and security for the 591 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,320 Palestinian peoples. 592 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,039 Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Doctor Ania Tacac and doctor Pild 593 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,440 de Silva are going to join me for another segment 594 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,320 or two in the next hour. I'm particularly grateful that 595 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,000 they're here today. On KBLA Talk fifteen eighty More We 596 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,519 Come Forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. It's Wealthy Wednesdays on 597 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,760 The Jesse Jackson Junior Show. More on KBLA Talk fifteen 598 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:53,880 eight