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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Unfiltered
Speaker 2: Rise with Me. He love, and today I have an
Speaker 2: amazing friend of mine, Julia from the Cosmic Peach.
Speaker 4: How you doing, girl, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm excited you're here. And when I heard this episode,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I am such a lover of
Speaker 2: Marylyn and as a nurse, your points are really great
Speaker 2: because I was like, I can see it. I don't
Speaker 2: want to ruin it for anybody, so I'm not gonna tell.
Speaker 2: But when we get there, we get there, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I think Julia figured it out on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I always really loved Marylyn too, and she's
Speaker 4: so iconic for so many reasons. If you go to
Speaker 4: like any makeup store anywhere like that, there's always like
Speaker 4: a dedication to Marilyn, like Marilyn's slipstick, like the color red,
Speaker 4: or you know, eyeshadow palettes, t shirts, posters for your wall,
Speaker 4: like she's still so iconic, and it's almost as if
Speaker 4: she's more famous in death than she was in her life.
Speaker 4: And when something like that it is the case, then
Speaker 4: it's usually because they were some type of sacrificial lamb
Speaker 4: to me, like Kurt Cobain, more famous in death than
Speaker 4: in life. A lot of times when somebody dies a
Speaker 4: tragic way, they're more famous in their death than they
Speaker 4: were in their life, like twenty seven club kind of shit.
Speaker 4: And so I started looking at because on the surface level,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of conspiracies about Marylyn just because
Speaker 4: she was involved with both of the Kennedy brothers. I
Speaker 4: think everybody can agree with that. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: substantial evidence to support that she was having an affair
Speaker 4: with not only John F. Kennedy but Robert too. So
Speaker 4: there are surface level conspiracies. But then besides, even like
Speaker 4: the spiritual aspect of her death, there is so much
Speaker 4: physical evidence that any doctor, like you said nurse could
Speaker 4: look at and go, this isn't fucking adding up. This
Speaker 4: isn't fucking right. And yet we're led to believe that
Speaker 4: she was so depressed, and they love to do it
Speaker 4: on Netflix too and HBO Max and like all these
Speaker 4: movies that they put out about her, like she was
Speaker 4: insanely depressed and she was on pills and she just
Speaker 4: overdosed herself and she just couldn't do it anymore and
Speaker 4: she just killed herself. And that's one hundred percent not
Speaker 4: what happened. And I hope today that I can go
Speaker 4: over some of the inconsistencies for everyone and prove that
Speaker 4: Marilyn absolutely did not kill herself.
Speaker 2: Whatso I would I would love to comment on that
Speaker 2: and give you another case, honestly, and I'll even do
Speaker 2: it with you if you want. But the girl from Poltergeist,
Speaker 2: Heather Rourke, is another one. I'm like, that kid did
Speaker 2: not die like they said, like that is a messed up.
Speaker 4: Yes, of the they said she had a colon condition.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that make you wonder? No, she literally died of constipation,
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, well, she had a condition
Speaker 2: and it went undiagnosed. If your kid is in that
Speaker 2: much pain, And it was truly like this twisted bow
Speaker 2: conditioner or something something like don't you think you'd notice
Speaker 2: as a parent, like what kind of people are they?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Way? Yeah, that's what yeah, yeah, And that's what I've
Speaker 4: always said too, because there is that story about Heather
Speaker 4: or Roarc that she was having to perform these like
Speaker 4: John Bennet Ramsey esque like pageant shows and that they
Speaker 4: were doing stuff to her like behind the scenes. So no,
Speaker 4: I don't think she died of a fucking colon condition.
Speaker 2: They say that you creep picture yeah of Stevens. Oh
Speaker 2: is there and she's on his lap, and it will
Speaker 2: one hundred percent make you know that he's not right,
Speaker 2: Like it's oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred And I mean like they say because
Speaker 4: in Poltergeist three she was getting kind of chunky, like
Speaker 4: she looked a little bloated or swollen. That that's what
Speaker 4: it was, that she had this colon condition. And dude,
Speaker 4: if you're constipated, your whole fucking body doesn't swell up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, like your face and neck, Like when's
Speaker 4: the last you're like, oh, I know, I got a
Speaker 4: ship because my fucking neck is bloated, Like when's the
Speaker 4: last time that's happened to you?
Speaker 2: Unless she was freaking septic already. I mean I could
Speaker 2: see if she was septic, but like just the pictures alone,
Speaker 2: and I heard the same thing as you about the
Speaker 2: whole gen beneathing, and I was like, no, not not
Speaker 2: buying it. No, She's like, yeah, like that other kid way.
Speaker 4: If anything to me, not to like get too far
Speaker 4: off the topic, but if anything, to me, she looked
Speaker 4: like she was going through like a pre pubescent kind
Speaker 4: of like weight change, you know, like she might may
Speaker 4: have started yeah, like every kid around her age, no
Speaker 4: matter how skinny you become later on in life. Like
Speaker 4: look at the kid from stand by Me, you know
Speaker 4: who I'm talking about. He's a little fact kid and
Speaker 4: he turned out to be super fucking honest one, and
Speaker 4: he was real buff and like lean and trim. So like,
Speaker 4: if anything to me, she was going through like a
Speaker 4: little chubby phase. And they were like, oh, well look
Speaker 4: at her. She she got bloated and had this colon
Speaker 4: and and that's you. And then she died and it's
Speaker 4: like yeah, right, okay, well what about other stories where
Speaker 4: you guys were doing stuff to her? You know? It
Speaker 4: just yeah, But that's kind of like with Marilyn because
Speaker 4: everybody says like she's a drug addict, and she takes
Speaker 4: all these not not illegal drugs, but prescribed to her,
Speaker 4: like she was a prescription drug addict, like she was
Speaker 4: taking sleeping pills. And not to say that she wasn't
Speaker 4: taking illegal drugs, but like the ones that they like
Speaker 4: to blame on, this is prescription sleeping pills, that she
Speaker 4: was addicted to them, that she fucking you know, would
Speaker 4: just take handfuls of them. And again that is not
Speaker 4: the case because as we'll get into the episode, she
Speaker 4: didn't even have access to the amount of drugs that
Speaker 4: eventually ended up killing her. And so I want to
Speaker 4: just take it from the top. Actually, because her official
Speaker 4: cause of death was acute barbituate poisoning. That is what
Speaker 4: they say, that she took a lethal dose of sedative
Speaker 4: drugs and she was found naked in her home in California.
Speaker 4: They took pictures of her. That's how we know it's real, right,
Speaker 4: because they took pictures of her, so that it must
Speaker 4: be how they say it is because we got a picture.
Speaker 4: And then they blasted her in the newspaper. You know,
Speaker 4: Marilyn dies of pills, and it was so very tragic
Speaker 4: and for her to have lived her life as like
Speaker 4: a sex symbol and as one of the most attractive
Speaker 4: women alive. They really shamed her in her death. They
Speaker 4: by taking nude photographs of her dead. Her face was
Speaker 4: bloated and bruised, and I almost felt like it was
Speaker 4: to kind of like dehumanize her in her death. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, she's like a piece of garbage. We'll just
Speaker 4: you know, take pictures of her all bruised and naked
Speaker 4: and bloated. We'll put that in the newspaper, you know, married,
Speaker 4: maybe that.
Speaker 2: Was part of maybe that was part of a humiliation ritual.
Speaker 4: Because it it really is it really.
Speaker 2: Because the wives would have been pissed, right, like if
Speaker 2: what could you do for your wife? Like I'm not
Speaker 2: a crazy person, so I wouldn't want this, but like
Speaker 2: what would you do to make her happy? Like, look,
Speaker 2: she's ugly now, right, Like she's not even hot, no.
Speaker 4: And like everyone knew about marilynd Like she wouldn't leave
Speaker 4: to go to the fucking mailbox without looking a certain way.
Speaker 4: So to shame her like that, and her death to
Speaker 4: me speaks volumes because a lot of famous actresses have died,
Speaker 4: maybe not of overdose, but it's like why go to
Speaker 4: the degree of saying like nude body Marylyn, found in
Speaker 4: the nude Marylyn, and even the candle in the wind
Speaker 4: song Elton John wrote for her, it's like Marilyn was
Speaker 4: found in the nude and they keep repeating that, like
Speaker 4: she's naked, she's you know, bruised, and she's bloated, and
Speaker 4: she's got pills knocked over on the nightstand, and like
Speaker 4: they just really set it up to be somewhat cinematic
Speaker 4: and like theater esque type of type of way. So
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, yeah, I think it was a
Speaker 4: sales job at that point, because there were a lot
Speaker 4: of things looking back on it now that we're going
Speaker 4: to discuss today that just didn't make any type of
Speaker 4: sense whatsoever. And but I do have some notes here
Speaker 4: that I read this book. Anybody can find it. It's
Speaker 4: called Dead Wrong Show you here, and it's by Richard
Speaker 4: Belzer and David Wayne, and apparently one of them is
Speaker 4: a comedian, And you know, I think that's ironic because
Speaker 4: like most comedians, like Sam Tripoli, you know, like some
Speaker 4: shit is up, Like we make fun and we joke
Speaker 4: and laugh, but like at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: fucking like uh yup comedians and shit like that, like
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan as a podcast obviously, like they're some of
Speaker 4: the best conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, because we don't ever take life seriously, right,
Speaker 2: We're always like, sure, I could get it, I can
Speaker 2: see h. I saw the funniest quote about that the
Speaker 2: other day and said, when I was young, we didn't
Speaker 2: need Joe Rogan. My friend had a brother that was
Speaker 2: twenty seven and still lived at home and smoke pot
Speaker 2: in his room with his glow and the dark posters.
Speaker 2: He told me, the Mayans invented cell phones.
Speaker 4: Dude, That's what I'm talking about. Like the stand up
Speaker 4: comedians and ship they write books, they have to go
Speaker 4: into all this fucking research and shit. The coolest motherfucker's alive.
Speaker 4: But right, So we talked a little bit about her
Speaker 4: having a relationship with not only John F. Kennedy but
Speaker 4: also with Robert Kennedy, but she also had sexual relationships
Speaker 4: with like some of the other top dogs in the Mafia,
Speaker 4: Johnny Roselli, Frank Sinatra, Sam g and Kanna. She had
Speaker 4: sexual relationships with all of these people. So she had
Speaker 4: her hand in both sides, like she had her hand
Speaker 4: in the mafia, and she had her hand in the
Speaker 4: US government. So just looking at her body count, she
Speaker 4: was blowing through like some of the She even had
Speaker 4: connections to a Soviet spy what was his name?
Speaker 2: G and Conna is an interesting namy just out there
Speaker 2: because he's wildly unknown. But I will tell you why
Speaker 2: I know him is because he's part of the Mormon
Speaker 2: mafia connection, dude.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing she was. She was screwing that guy.
Speaker 4: She was screwing Frank Sinatra. She was Frederick Field, that's
Speaker 4: his name. He was a Soviet spy, Frederick Field, And
Speaker 4: so she was screwing that guy. And it just makes
Speaker 4: you wonder like like, let's just say you got to
Speaker 4: Maryland's level of fame overnight, and you could have anybody
Speaker 4: you wanted to, because let's be real, everybody wanted her
Speaker 4: and you could just like have your pick of the litter.
Speaker 4: Her choices are a little suspicious just on the surface
Speaker 4: because like to me, I'd be like, oh, this actor, oh,
Speaker 4: this musician, Oh you know this this this, yeah, I
Speaker 4: get it. Frank Sinatra, he was a musician, but he's
Speaker 4: also like super mafia. And then like who knows about
Speaker 4: Sam g and Conna other than like maybe someone like you,
Speaker 4: you and I and like you have your picture maybe right,
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, John F. Kennedy was a handsome guy.
Speaker 4: Robert F. Kennedy or Robert Uh, yeah, he was okay looking.
Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't as good looking as John. But
Speaker 4: she's she's doing both of the brothers. I mean, it
Speaker 4: just seems a little weird to me. But so we
Speaker 4: have all of that, and we also have the fact
Speaker 4: that her phone is being tapped by not only the
Speaker 4: US government but by the mafia as well. So all
Speaker 4: of her phone calls are literally being double tapped by
Speaker 4: the mafia and the US government. And she's getting double
Speaker 4: tapped by both the mafia government. Yeah, I mean, let's.
Speaker 2: Be honest, Like I'm not trying to say that all
Speaker 2: women are good girls, but like, for the most part,
Speaker 2: what girl do you know that can do whatever she
Speaker 2: wants that wants to be double tapped by brothers? I
Speaker 2: don't know too many. I know a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that would have that fantasy.
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, dudes for sure, Like I'm sure the Kennedys
Speaker 4: were laughing their asses off, like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we both got Maryland but for her, it's
Speaker 4: like Jesus, She's got like guys coming in and out
Speaker 4: like every other day, just random dudes, not random, but
Speaker 4: like I said, like yeah, mafia dudes, government dudes. And
Speaker 4: so for me, I talked about this a little bit
Speaker 4: with Sean mccannon from the Wake the Dead podcast. Yeah
Speaker 4: sean'screach he he, and I talked about how she was
Speaker 4: probably a programmed like like a sex kitten thing MK,
Speaker 4: because when you look at the type of dudes that she,
Speaker 4: like I said before, the type of dudes she was
Speaker 4: sleeping with, and how frequently she was getting just tapped
Speaker 4: by all these random guys, you start to think that
Speaker 4: she is part of a program. There are also a
Speaker 4: lot of clues to suggest that she was a programmed
Speaker 4: multiple and probably had split personality disorder. They changed her name,
Speaker 4: they changed her physical appearance. They pretty much turned her
Speaker 4: into this Barbie Doll esque type of person, which to
Speaker 4: me signals that she's probably part of this program. Because
Speaker 4: one of the things that they always like to do,
Speaker 4: if you look at Eminem or whoever, they always like
Speaker 4: bleached the hair, and you know, she changed her name,
Speaker 4: she essentially became a completely different person. Overnight a lot
Speaker 4: of people and think about think about she went from
Speaker 4: a brunette norma Jean, she lived in foster cares her
Speaker 4: whole life. She was like a broken, abandoned person. Nobody
Speaker 4: would care if anything happened to her, and they'd pluck
Speaker 4: her out and put her in part of the program
Speaker 4: because it's so easy to use women who are orphans
Speaker 4: or children who are orphans for these type of programs
Speaker 4: because nobody cares what happens to them. And she also
Speaker 4: had like top secret clearance to look out Mountain Laboratory
Speaker 4: where they were filming stuff films and doing all this
Speaker 4: weird stuff. And so you just start to wonder, like,
Speaker 4: what is it about Maryland that she would have that
Speaker 4: type of access or those type of connections or clearance
Speaker 4: or unless she was part of the programs, And her
Speaker 4: death may very well tell a lot about how deeply
Speaker 4: involved she was because of the crazy cover job that
Speaker 4: they did. And so let's get into some of the
Speaker 4: inconsistencies here. They said that she had chloral hydrate and
Speaker 4: nimbutah in her system, and that she had enough chloral
Speaker 4: hydrate and nimbutah to where she would have had to
Speaker 4: have taken seventy seven to eighty eight pills. Whow So
Speaker 4: if you can imagine, so they said she would have
Speaker 4: had to take sixty to seventy nimbtah and seventeen to
Speaker 4: eighteen chloral hydrate. That's the level she had in her system.
Speaker 4: First off, she didn't even have access to that type
Speaker 4: of a prescription. None of her doctors were writing her that,
Speaker 4: and actually they were weaning her off of them. They
Speaker 4: were giving her less and less and less to try
Speaker 4: to get her to the point where she didn't need
Speaker 4: them as much. So the prescription that she had just
Speaker 4: filled like a week ago or a few days before
Speaker 4: her alleged suicide, she had like a prescription for maybe
Speaker 4: twenty tablets or something like that. But the level in
Speaker 4: her bloodstream would suggest that she had taken like seventy
Speaker 4: seven pills. And what's interesting about that is digestion stops
Speaker 4: at death, so you would expect to find her in
Speaker 4: her stomach something called refractive crystals, and that is what
Speaker 4: you will find. As medication starts breaking down in your stomach,
Speaker 4: it gets broken down into what are called refractive crystals.
Speaker 4: So you would expect to find those in the stomach
Speaker 4: and the digestive track, and you would also expect to
Speaker 4: find undigested tablets because she would have died before like
Speaker 4: they even were fully digested. And then the I want
Speaker 4: to say the chloral hydrate, but it could have been
Speaker 4: the nimbutola I don't remember now, but one of them
Speaker 4: is coded in like this super super thick yellow dye,
Speaker 4: and you would also expect to find that. And when
Speaker 4: they did the autopsy, there was absolutely no trace of
Speaker 4: refractive crystals and absolutely no trace of undigested tablets or
Speaker 4: the yellow dye that you would expect to find from
Speaker 4: someone who had overdose on sedative drugs, Like if you
Speaker 4: crack someone open who's taken seventy seven pills, you're gonna
Speaker 4: find some shred of evidence of something. But what they
Speaker 4: found is that her stomach was completely empty and her
Speaker 4: digestive track was completely empty. So how the fuck do
Speaker 4: you explain a sedative drug overdose with pills that she
Speaker 4: was supposedly prescribed? And fucking we have two red flags
Speaker 4: right off the bat. She wasn't prescribed that amount, first off,
Speaker 4: and second off, where are they? Like seventy seve.
Speaker 2: And people people will say, Okay, she's hoarding them, right,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give the other side of this. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If she's hoarding them, how is she
Speaker 2: a drug addict? Oh well, I'm glad.
Speaker 4: You brought that up though, because if you're thinking that,
Speaker 4: then the listeners are thinking that. So let me go
Speaker 4: ahead and clear that up.
Speaker 2: Hang on, you got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's ridiculous, dat right, Yeah, because and she was too.
Speaker 4: She was severely addicted to them, which is why her
Speaker 4: doctors said that they were weaning her off and engaging.
Speaker 4: And I want to bring this.
Speaker 2: I want to bring this point up is people are
Speaker 2: so quick to say she was addicted. Okay, maybe, but
Speaker 2: if they've only got a twenty pill prescription and I
Speaker 2: don't know how often she filled it, like weekly or
Speaker 2: monthly or what. But here's the thing that tells me
Speaker 2: there's a dependence there. There are many people in this
Speaker 2: world that actually need pain pills, that actually need sleeping pills,
Speaker 2: that actually need I don't know what, Okay, lots of
Speaker 2: pills in the world, but you know the only people
Speaker 2: that get demonized are the people that take narcotics. There
Speaker 2: is a dependence, Yeah, a dependent person, which is what
Speaker 2: I'm sure she became. Why because she's sleeping on the road,
Speaker 2: she's sleeping on set, she's sleeping on plane, she's sleeping
Speaker 2: on trains. Like, yeah, you're gonna probably have insomnia, and
Speaker 2: she's probably worried about all her boyfriends killing her.
Speaker 4: Imagine getting fucking like you need something to help you
Speaker 4: sleep at night. She run and train on you every
Speaker 4: other day, So sure, or she might.
Speaker 2: Well, she's got to keep in that personality. If we're
Speaker 2: talking her alter you're trying to get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna kink shame or
Speaker 4: anything like that. But like, if dudes are running train
Speaker 4: on you every other day, you got this whole secret
Speaker 4: life going on, you probably need some fucking help sleeping.
Speaker 4: Let's be real. Yeah, and she wasn't depressed. Yeah she
Speaker 4: was a person and so yeah, she she did have
Speaker 4: prescription medication available to her. But the crazy thing is
Speaker 4: in what her friend wanted to testify and say this,
Speaker 4: but she never got to t I Marilyn called her
Speaker 4: that night, the night that she killed herself, supposedly, and
Speaker 4: Marilyn was like, listen, I need you to bring me
Speaker 4: some sleeping pills because I don't have anymore or I
Speaker 4: don't have enough or whatever.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 4: She literally called her friend and said, I don't have any.
Speaker 4: Do you have some? If you do, please bring them
Speaker 4: over because I want them. And so she clearly had
Speaker 4: already ran through her prescription. So her friend also said
Speaker 4: that she was speaking very clearly, that she there was
Speaker 4: no sign of like slurred speech or let's be real
Speaker 4: if you've taken, if you've already taken seventy seven sleeping pills,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna fucking sound great when you're making this
Speaker 4: phone at all. And her friend, yeah, I mean like,
Speaker 4: and her friend is like, she sounded perfectly coherent, no
Speaker 4: slurred speech, no sign of like that she had just
Speaker 4: taken a whole bottle of pills and she said she
Speaker 4: was out of them and wanted her friend to bring
Speaker 4: her some. So there you go, right there. And her
Speaker 4: friend was never able to testify and say that because
Speaker 4: that would also bring up some red flags, you know,
Speaker 4: if she had seventy seven pills, why she calling her
Speaker 4: friend to bum some off of her, right, And they, uh,
Speaker 4: let's see here. They found when they did the autopsy
Speaker 4: that although the level of barbituates in her bloodstream was
Speaker 4: like crazy high, like ridiculously high. Like I said before,
Speaker 4: she would have had it taken like eighteen chloral hydrate
Speaker 4: and like seventy nimbutol or whatever. They found that the
Speaker 4: level in her liver was twice that or triple that,
Speaker 4: which means that they would have had to enter her
Speaker 4: body in a different way because your liver starts breaking
Speaker 4: the shit down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, The.
Speaker 4: Guy who did her autopsy actually made like a smear
Speaker 4: of her gastric contents and put it under a microscope
Speaker 4: and it was completely clear there was She hadn't eaten
Speaker 4: that day, and she hadn't drank any alcohol that day.
Speaker 4: Her stomach was literally completely empty. You know, you would
Speaker 4: expect to find certain things in the stomach of a
Speaker 4: dead person, and it was almost like she had been
Speaker 4: fasting or some shit that day. No pills, no refractive crystals,
Speaker 4: no food, and no alcohol. So to me, it's like
Speaker 4: if this happened late at night, I just feel like
Speaker 4: she was in distress or some shit. I mean, she
Speaker 4: hadn't even eaten that day. She must have known like
Speaker 4: this something was coming, because she hadn't even literally her
Speaker 4: housekeeper said that she usually ate breakfast and that she
Speaker 4: would drink grapefruit juice and literally gave this whole like,
Speaker 4: oh you know Marylyn and da da dah. This was
Speaker 4: her schedule and so something obviously would have had to
Speaker 4: happen that changed her routine that day. And obviously, like
Speaker 4: I said, she didn't take pills because they weren't in there.
Speaker 4: And as they're doing the autopsy, they start to put
Speaker 4: two and two together. The guy who did it, his
Speaker 4: name was doctor Nogucci. And this guy has done manyelebrity
Speaker 4: autopsies and he's never been discredited and no one's ever
Speaker 4: said that he has lied or made anything up or like.
Speaker 4: He's very highly respected. But he's hard to find information on,
Speaker 4: which makes me think they can't discredit him. But they
Speaker 4: also don't want people finding out what he's saying because
Speaker 4: he said he saw a secondary lividity markings on Marylyn.
Speaker 4: And the lividity is when your blood settles a lot
Speaker 4: of people know that, but just in case you don't,
Speaker 4: when you die in your blood settles, you get like
Speaker 4: a pinkish reddish it's they're called lividity marks. And if
Speaker 4: you look a dead body around, you can tell how
Speaker 4: they died or if they have been moved after death
Speaker 4: because Marilyn actually had secondary vidity markings and then she
Speaker 4: had tertiary lividity markings, which means she was actually moved
Speaker 4: three times after she died, which also doesn't fit the
Speaker 4: suicide story because they said that. You know, her housekeeper
Speaker 4: went to check on her in the middle of the night,
Speaker 4: saw the light on under her door. The door was locked.
Speaker 4: She called her Maryland psychiatrist to come over to the house. Uh,
Speaker 4: the psychiatrist couldn't get in the door, so he had
Speaker 4: to break the bedroom window, crawl inside her bedroom and
Speaker 4: didn't didn't. He said, he didn't touch her, even though
Speaker 4: he's a medical professional. And the first thing you would
Speaker 4: think is the roller over and do like fucking CPR
Speaker 4: some shit fuckings, some shit out of her system. No,
Speaker 4: he just saw her leg and they're dead and was like,
Speaker 4: oh fuck, she's dead.
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 4: They called her primary care physician over to the house.
Speaker 4: They called her her her studio people, they called her publicist,
Speaker 4: They called everybody but the fucking cops. They stayed at
Speaker 4: the house for like three or four hours before they
Speaker 4: ever called the cops, and then by the time the
Speaker 4: first policeman got there, everything was like bizarrely staged, you know,
Speaker 4: but this is the story, and if that is the story,
Speaker 4: and if that's what we're meant to believe, then she
Speaker 4: would not have any secondary or tertiary fucking lividity markings
Speaker 4: because they said they didn't touch the body. They said
Speaker 4: they didn't move the body in any way, so there
Speaker 4: should be no reason for her to. It would appear
Speaker 4: she died in the face down position, what they called
Speaker 4: the soldier's position, with her arms down at the sides
Speaker 4: and her legs spread straight out on the bed and
Speaker 4: her face down. That's the soldier's position. That's the way
Speaker 4: that she died. But then there are these markings that
Speaker 4: would suggest she was rolled over onto her back for
Speaker 4: a considerable period of time and then flipped back over
Speaker 4: again back into the soldier's position, which is how she
Speaker 4: was found in. So there's the first position, the second position,
Speaker 4: and then the third position. And again, if it's a
Speaker 4: suicide and nobody touched the body, that doesn't make fucking
Speaker 4: sense whatsoever. And she also had a bruised purple colon,
Speaker 4: which if she took pills, why the fuck does she
Speaker 4: have that? And she also had uh, she had something else, God,
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting now she had, Oh, she had bruises on
Speaker 4: the back of her arms, and she had bruises on
Speaker 4: the back of her legs, and she had like a
Speaker 4: huge bruise on one of her butt cheeks, like halfway
Speaker 4: on her butt cheek, halfway on her hip. Like she
Speaker 4: she looked as if based on the bruising and the
Speaker 4: corner or it wasn't the corner. The autopsy doctor Noguchi,
Speaker 4: he said that it looked like she had been held down,
Speaker 4: her legs had been held down, her arms had been
Speaker 4: held down, and that somebody probably took a knee or
Speaker 4: something and fucking held her her, you know, butt down,
Speaker 4: because there was a huge bruise there, like a huge
Speaker 4: round bruise, and then there were like smaller bruises on
Speaker 4: the backs of her arms, in her legs, and then
Speaker 4: she had a bruised, swollen purple colon, and no fucking
Speaker 4: pills in the stomach. So I'm gonna just stop for
Speaker 4: a second and ask you, as a medical professional, if
Speaker 4: I told if you didn't know this was Marylyn, and
Speaker 4: I told you somebody was found like this, what would
Speaker 4: your honest opinion be at this point A fucking a
Speaker 4: fucking pill overdose, Is that what you're going with. I
Speaker 4: don't fucking think so.
Speaker 2: No, something nefarious for sure, yep, especially with tertiary marks,
Speaker 2: because the fact remains is like, that's just weird that
Speaker 2: you would move a person flip flip flip, like almost
Speaker 2: like they were either enjoying the body why it was
Speaker 2: still warm or taking photos is a guess, you know.
Speaker 4: And also when the first police police officer arrived on
Speaker 4: the scene, he noted some really peculiar things like the
Speaker 4: fact that if we're to believe this story, that Marilyn's
Speaker 4: house keeper saw the light under her bedroom door and
Speaker 4: couldn't get in and called her psychiatrist, and the psychiatrists
Speaker 4: couldn't get in, so he had to go break her
Speaker 4: bedroom window to crawl in to get in there to
Speaker 4: unlock the door from the inside. Why then, was all
Speaker 4: of the glass on the outside of the window in
Speaker 4: the yard. That doesn't make any fucking sense. And the
Speaker 4: housekeeper the police officer his name was Sergeant Jack Clemens,
Speaker 4: and he said he spoke with the u housekeeper and
Speaker 4: she had been busying herself on her fucking third load
Speaker 4: of laundry in the time that she found out Marilyn
Speaker 4: was dead. In the time that the police officer arrived,
Speaker 4: she was on her third load of laundry, and who's
Speaker 4: the fuck is she doing laundry for when her fucking
Speaker 4: employer is in the other room dead as But she
Speaker 4: also was very fidgety and very nervous and was sweating.
Speaker 4: And he said that her story sounded rehearsed. And after
Speaker 4: all this went down, she fucked off Europe for like
Speaker 4: three years and she didn't testify. She didn't and so
Speaker 4: that's interesting. She also, it later came out she hated Marylyn,
Speaker 4: and Marylyn treated her like dogshit. So I'm not surprised
Speaker 4: that she was complicit in all of this, But.
Speaker 2: Just the fact maybe they said we're gonna kill you girl,
Speaker 2: Like maybe they were like, you saw what happened.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred and so the housekeeper
Speaker 4: thing was suspicious. The glass on the outside of the
Speaker 4: window is suspicious. The fact that they waited four hours
Speaker 4: to call the police suspicious. He also the police officer
Speaker 4: also noted that there was no sign of regurgitation anywhere
Speaker 4: in Maryland's bedroom, and that's one of the first signs
Speaker 4: that someone has overdosed. On pills, whatever pills they are,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. Your body goes into a freakout mode
Speaker 4: when you've taken a huge overdose of medication like that
Speaker 4: and you involuntarily start regurgitating half of the pills. So
Speaker 4: at any barbituate or otherwise overdose overdose death crime scene,
Speaker 4: you're gonna find some type of regurgitated material somewhere, and
Speaker 4: it's usually, according to the police officer, it's usually either
Speaker 4: in the bed or in the bathroom or wherever like
Speaker 4: nearby where the body is. So that was also highly
Speaker 4: suspicious because, as we said at the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 4: if you're going to take seventy seven pills, you're going
Speaker 4: to have some type recurgitated materials somewhere. You're also going
Speaker 4: to find some evidence of that in the stomach, which
Speaker 4: they did not. The other curious thing is when the
Speaker 4: police officer arrived.
Speaker 2: He.
Speaker 4: Was asking where if she took all these pills, where
Speaker 4: they would be. The doctors were stumped. They were like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I don't know. Like, obviously, you know
Speaker 4: she was on these barbituates, and that's she must have
Speaker 4: taken the whole bottle, and we just found her like
Speaker 4: this and of course, they're like trying to sell the
Speaker 4: police officer their innocence, you know, like we just found
Speaker 4: her like this, We didn't touch her, we didn't, you know.
Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, well, where are the pills? And
Speaker 4: also if she took seventy seven pills, where is like
Speaker 4: how Like there's no glass of water, there's no juice,
Speaker 4: there's no milk, there's no nothing. And so he starts
Speaker 4: looking around in the house and in Marylyn's bathroom, and
Speaker 4: he finds out that it would be damn near impossible
Speaker 4: since we know, based on the autopsy, she didn't eat
Speaker 4: that day or drink anything besides water. She drank no alcohol,
Speaker 4: she drank no grapefruit juice or whatever her housekeeper said
Speaker 4: she liked to drink. She literally had no evidence of
Speaker 4: that at all. So if she was to take all
Speaker 4: these pills, where's the water glass or like, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: So he starts looking around the house and he realizes
Speaker 4: she's been remodeling the house and the fucking water is
Speaker 4: shut off and there's no way to even get water.
Speaker 4: So again, how preposterous is it she dry swallowed those bitches?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: She was a gagger?
Speaker 4: I heard she heard was a gagger.
Speaker 2: Marilyn was a gagger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, there's no woman out there, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Even Marylynd those bad guys destroying, but she's no.
Speaker 4: And actually one of her friends, the same one who
Speaker 4: said that Marylyn called her begging for pills, she was
Speaker 4: like Marylyn had a hard time swallowing a pill, you know,
Speaker 4: like she like she didn't want to swallow a pill,
Speaker 4: let alone dry swallow seventy seven of those bitches. So
Speaker 4: he's the police officer is talking to her psychiatrists and
Speaker 4: her primary care physician, and they're like, well, let's look around.
Speaker 4: You know, there's got to be a drinking glass somewhere,
Speaker 4: There's got to be a pill bottle somewhere, and and
Speaker 4: there was nothing to be found. Well, the police officer
Speaker 4: kind of takes a break from the crime scene. He's
Speaker 4: making his notes. The rest of the the crew shows up,
Speaker 4: you know, like the coroner and like they come to
Speaker 4: get the body, and the coming to take pictures and shit,
Speaker 4: and like the slew of you know, other police officers
Speaker 4: whatever the fuck they all show up. And it's just
Speaker 4: interesting to me because like the newspaper with the picture
Speaker 4: they took of for oh Marylyn died of pills. Oh
Speaker 4: Marylyn found in the nude Marylyn just in time for
Speaker 4: them to break out the camera. Fucking there goes a
Speaker 4: knocked over bottle of pills on the nightstand, and there
Speaker 4: goes a fucking drinking glass that wasn't there five minutes ago.
Speaker 4: So it's, like I said before, the entire thing is
Speaker 4: completely staged. Sergeant Clemens wrote in his notebook that there
Speaker 4: was no pill bottle and that there was no drinking
Speaker 4: glass of any kind. And then, oh, right before the
Speaker 4: fucking reporters show up, there goes the fucking pill bottle
Speaker 4: knocked over with a few little pills scattered, and there
Speaker 4: goes the fucking drinking glass. So everything about the crime
Speaker 4: scene was staged. And the fact that she had been
Speaker 4: rolled over a bunch of times after she died, and
Speaker 4: they said, oh, we didn't touch her, Oh we didn't.
Speaker 4: The housekeepers acting retarded like she just had to fucking
Speaker 4: do laundry and shit, and he was like, so he
Speaker 4: asked the housekeeper keeper. He was like, so you've been
Speaker 4: doing laundry, but you know, obviously that's that doesn't take
Speaker 4: three hours, and you must have been doing something in
Speaker 4: the meantime until I got here, Like what were you doing?
Speaker 4: And she's like, well, you know, I was trying to
Speaker 4: find a window repair man, and I was trying like
Speaker 4: why would that be necessary, Like the bitch is dead.
Speaker 4: She doesn't care if there's a cool breeze coming through
Speaker 4: the window. She doesn't care about the fucking laundry you're
Speaker 4: doing audit. That doesn't make sense at all. And the
Speaker 4: doctors didn't have a good story either as to why
Speaker 4: it was taken them so long to call the police, like, oh,
Speaker 4: we had to call like her publicist and we had
Speaker 4: to call like da da, da, da da. It just
Speaker 4: didn't make sense whatsoever. And fucking the police officer didn't
Speaker 4: even get a chance to testify. Nobody wanted to hear
Speaker 4: from him because he was reporting the facts, right, He
Speaker 4: was reporting what actually fucking happened, and nobody wanted to
Speaker 4: hear about that shit. So he got buried. And doctor
Speaker 4: Nogucci called in a professional to observe his fucking findings
Speaker 4: and came to the same conclusion that for that amount
Speaker 4: of for that level of drugs to be found in
Speaker 4: her system, and two times that amount to be found
Speaker 4: in her liver and with the bruising and the swollen
Speaker 4: purpose bull colwon. Uh that she must have been given
Speaker 4: a deadly enema and so right up the ass. And
Speaker 4: she also had oh HEIGHTI remind me, when you die
Speaker 4: really fast and you turn blue, what is it called? Uh?
Speaker 2: You mean riga martis.
Speaker 4: No, It's like if you take a deadly injection of something,
Speaker 4: or you drowned or you get suffocated and all the
Speaker 4: blood vessels burst in your eyes and you turn Yes,
Speaker 4: she had that, and she also had all fucked me,
Speaker 4: hang on, she had something else.
Speaker 2: You're good. She had uh petikia I are really indicative
Speaker 2: of strangulation.
Speaker 4: Right, or a quick death where the oxygen is cut
Speaker 4: off extremely quickly, which also was inconsistent with a drug overdose,
Speaker 4: because you're not gonna have bursted blood vessels in your
Speaker 4: fucking eyeballs and you're also not going to turn blue.
Speaker 2: I can't be that much pressure.
Speaker 4: Cyanosis, Oh oh, I forgot. Yeah. So she had cyinosis
Speaker 4: and she had the fucking lividity marking. So those two
Speaker 4: things were also inconsistent with what the fuck they were
Speaker 4: trying to say.
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's crazy that they well, and I can't imagine
Speaker 2: of all the people that they bought off, they really
Speaker 2: just completely blew it on this one, Like why send
Speaker 2: it to that guy? If if they're going to do that, right,
Speaker 2: Like why send it to this famous autopsy person?
Speaker 4: Right one hundred and So we get to look in
Speaker 4: at the physical evidence, which isn't matching up at all.
Speaker 4: The story for her psychiatrist and her primary care doctor
Speaker 4: is not matching up at all. Her housekeeper focks off
Speaker 4: to Europe, and her story doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 4: There's no evidence of pills in the stomach, there's all
Speaker 4: this other shit, And then we start to think that
Speaker 4: she didn't even have access to the drugs in the
Speaker 4: amount that killed her. And with the way that her
Speaker 4: colon was bruised in purple, and the bruises on the
Speaker 4: back of her arms and legs and the big one
Speaker 4: on her butt, it would suggest that someone someone held
Speaker 4: her down and administered a deadly enema, a liquid like
Speaker 4: a liquid fucking shot up the ass, and it killed
Speaker 4: her so quickly that she had so.
Speaker 2: Much quicker in the re recdum like people that unfortunately
Speaker 2: do illegal substances know this because a lot of times
Speaker 2: they get problems this way. It's a nice thing to
Speaker 2: know if you're sick and can't take a medication, orally
Speaker 2: if you're vomiting your head off, you can do that.
Speaker 2: Just be aware these things have problems sometimes that come
Speaker 2: with them if you don't know the correct dosage, because
Speaker 2: it's completely different in the rectum.
Speaker 4: Right, and it's just the fastest entry into the bloodstream.
Speaker 4: So if we can agree that the evidence has brought
Speaker 4: us this far, the only question now is who would
Speaker 4: have done that?
Speaker 2: And now the flu people.
Speaker 4: Right, that's where it starts to get controversial because there
Speaker 4: are so many theories. If we can at least agree
Speaker 4: on the death part and the fact that she didn't
Speaker 4: kill herself, the only question that we have left is
Speaker 4: who could have done this? And so we have the Kennedys,
Speaker 4: and we also have the Mafia, and there are two
Speaker 4: really good theories. When I first covered this in my
Speaker 4: two part series, when I did it in like a
Speaker 4: solo show on my show, I said that I think
Speaker 4: it was probably the Mafia, and they framed it to
Speaker 4: look like it was the Kennedys. But the more I
Speaker 4: look into it, it would appear to be probably the
Speaker 4: Kennedy's if I'm just being honest with you, because she was.
Speaker 2: She really, yeah, she really pissed off his wife at
Speaker 2: the happy birthday, mister President.
Speaker 4: That shit got her killed because there was a scrap
Speaker 4: of paper that was found in her bed with like
Speaker 4: the private phone number to the White House, like JFK's
Speaker 4: office or something, and she had that phone number scribbled
Speaker 4: down on a piece of paper that was found in
Speaker 4: her bed that later disappeared from the evidence. Also, all
Speaker 4: of the autopsy reports disappeared and all of the uh so,
Speaker 4: this is really interesting. Doctor Negucci takes all of the
Speaker 4: information that he gathered about his autopsy findings and like
Speaker 4: they want to retest everything because they're like, oh damn,
Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense, right, because she's died of a
Speaker 4: pill overdose. Let's pretest this. They go to retest everything, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're like they're gonna find something different on the second time.
Speaker 4: But they go to like retest the organ samples, and
Speaker 4: they find out that all of our fucking organs are missing.
Speaker 4: So if it if we're meant to believe like the
Speaker 4: story that they give us, what what the fuck happened
Speaker 4: to the liver? Like who the fuck took that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see. Honestly, people are so
Speaker 2: weird and creepy.
Speaker 4: They left the tits but took the liver. Does that
Speaker 4: make sense to you?
Speaker 2: I mean it was.
Speaker 4: Hollowed out and then all of the autopsy records were
Speaker 4: missing liver, all internal organs in the autopsy report fucking
Speaker 4: went missing.
Speaker 2: That's so creepy. I could see some gross guys selling him. Actually,
Speaker 2: I know this sounds perverse and disgusting, but like it
Speaker 2: could go three ways. It could be a cleanup for
Speaker 2: the mob, a cleanup for the president, or it could
Speaker 2: be some sicko at the morgue that's like, guess what
Speaker 2: I got? You want to eat her liver? Like, dude,
Speaker 2: are dude?
Speaker 4: Dude? Her body went missing that night for three hours?
Speaker 4: My gosh. So, I mean, there's just so many ways
Speaker 4: to look at this as like it's just it can't
Speaker 4: be what they say that it was. And so back
Speaker 4: to the question though, like who did it? I mean,
Speaker 4: does it does matter? But at the same time, does
Speaker 4: it matter because like, obviously we know this is a lie,
Speaker 4: and obviously we know that her connections were interesting to
Speaker 4: say the least, and so could it have been the
Speaker 4: mob that kind of set it up to frame the Kennedys,
Speaker 4: because both of the Kennedys. No, I take that back.
Speaker 4: It was just Robert. Robert was there that morning. People
Speaker 4: saw him. The neighbors fucking saw him. And the neighbors
Speaker 4: say that they were having a scuffle that morning. Robert
Speaker 4: was at her house, they had a scoffle, And so
Speaker 4: it could be one of two things. Like I said,
Speaker 4: the mob were pissed off at the Kennedys because of
Speaker 4: something like they helped they helped racketeering. Yeah, helped him
Speaker 4: get in and then he like he like stabbed him
Speaker 4: in the back, stabbed him in the back essentially, So
Speaker 4: they were pissed off and wanted some shit like this
Speaker 4: to happen. Anyways, But was that why she died. I
Speaker 4: feel like that's a little extreme if we're just talking
Speaker 4: about revenge, right, But there's the whole birthday party thing
Speaker 4: with the dress, and you know, Kim Kay wore that
Speaker 4: dress like a couple of years ago, and you know
Speaker 4: they say that she didn't alter it at all to
Speaker 4: fit inside her dress. Let's be real, I actually have
Speaker 4: it in my notes. I've made a cute little note
Speaker 4: about that when I was reading this book. They say
Speaker 4: that she didn't alter Marylynd's dress whatsoever, that she just
Speaker 4: fit in it perfectly. My ass, because uh.
Speaker 2: Hoops were not that big number one, no, number two, there,
Speaker 2: no no. And Marylyn well, they say she destroyed Kim
Speaker 2: destroyed that dress, that it's destroyed.
Speaker 4: So I have it right here in the book and
Speaker 4: I have a post it note on there because I
Speaker 4: looked it up. Marilyn was a size six. Everybody wants
Speaker 4: to say how Marilyn was so curvy and like volumptuous,
Speaker 4: And I don't know where the fuck they're getting that from,
Speaker 4: because on my best day, I'm not a size six,
Speaker 4: and I'm a pretty slender person, you know. Like Kim's
Speaker 4: hips don't lie, all right, Oh it's not a size
Speaker 4: fucking six. Kim is a sixteen for those hips. If
Speaker 4: she isn't everywhere her hips and ass are her hips
Speaker 4: and ass aren't fitting into Marylyn's fucking shoe. Okay, Like,
Speaker 4: there is no way you're telling me any piece of
Speaker 4: Kim is fitting into any piece of anything that Marilyn
Speaker 4: ever owned. Her case, if.
Speaker 2: If it had a free waist, if it had a
Speaker 2: free waist and it wasn't fitted, I'll give it to her,
Speaker 2: but no.
Speaker 4: No, it was fitted. It was fitted. It was actually
Speaker 4: for Maryland.
Speaker 2: If the dress had a free waist and it wasn't.
Speaker 4: You're talking about like a like a a line or
Speaker 4: something like that. Yeah, so the dress was actually designed
Speaker 4: for Maryland. And just to give you an example of
Speaker 4: how much she probably paid to wear the dress, because
Speaker 4: she probably would have had to buy it because she
Speaker 4: ruined it. So you know, if you break it, you
Speaker 4: buy it. In nineteen ninety nine, this dress that Marylyn
Speaker 4: wore to the Happy Birthday celebration, they sold it at
Speaker 4: an auction at Christie's in New York for one million,
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty thousand dollars, okay, in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 4: So how much do you think it would be worth now?
Speaker 4: And she put her big fat ass in it and
Speaker 4: fucking destroyed it.
Speaker 2: I mean I heard she she ruined it. I did
Speaker 2: hear she ruined it. That it's all.
Speaker 4: But this idea that Marylyn was curvy, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like in comparison.
Speaker 2: To what maybe I think maybe she was, Like if
Speaker 2: you look at her old pictures, like when you look
Speaker 2: at her old, old pictures, Like when she first came
Speaker 2: on the scene, she had a lot more going on.
Speaker 2: Then she got really thin, then she got kind of
Speaker 2: heavier again because she'd had all those miscarriages. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: at what point were you measuring after her worst miss
Speaker 2: carriage ever?
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 2: Measurements, you know, the poor lady can't get a break, Like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: she really couldn't.
Speaker 4: But the thing is just like I think Kim, or
Speaker 4: at least they want us to think, like Kim kind
Speaker 4: of took over this uh like sex symbol for our generation,
Speaker 4: kind of as if Maryland, you know she was Maryland
Speaker 4: was was getting you know, trains ran on her, but
Speaker 4: she was still real classy and like elegant. Kim is
Speaker 4: a fucking sloppy ass witch bitch, and I just don't
Speaker 4: see the comparison between the two of them. But it's
Speaker 4: almost like.
Speaker 2: Just the train, just the trains, girl, just the trains.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they want us to think that that
Speaker 4: Kim is is like this, it's it's ritual is in
Speaker 4: some way kind of yeah.
Speaker 2: And she I don't know that because a size sixteen,
Speaker 2: even in the fifties was only a size twelve.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's saying that this dress right here
Speaker 4: of Maryland's was a six because.
Speaker 2: The twelve was probably when she first came out or
Speaker 2: had that miscarriage. How much you want to be well one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so she was not invited to that birthday party.
Speaker 4: She invited herself.
Speaker 2: I know this is this is why you did.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm for you. I have to say it
Speaker 4: played a major part in it because they uninvited her,
Speaker 4: and she was like, I'm Marilyn Monroe. If I want
Speaker 4: to go, I'm gonna go. They even threatened to like
Speaker 4: destroy her contract over it. They were like, we're gonna
Speaker 4: we're gonna fucking shred your fucking contract if you show
Speaker 4: up at this part anyway.
Speaker 2: For her, though, good on you girl. You know what
Speaker 2: if you get treated like that and you're and you're
Speaker 2: the you know, the the other girl, the side hoe,
Speaker 2: and you get treated wrong and you want to make
Speaker 2: a scene, I guess make that scene. Guys, keep it
Speaker 2: in your pants. Don't have a side shiet.
Speaker 4: Think of Think of the clout that she had to
Speaker 4: not only show up uninvited, but be like, I'm also
Speaker 4: gonna perform. How about that up?
Speaker 2: She pulled that I'm gonna show you what you're gonna
Speaker 2: miss cards she did, ye, Yeah, I'm just Jackie. She
Speaker 2: looks like she could be a scary bitch sometimes, you
Speaker 2: know what, Jackie Kennedy don't like you want to mess
Speaker 2: with her. And I'm not talking about boxing, like Marilyn
Speaker 2: would have won a boxing match because she's from the streets,
Speaker 2: but like not Jackie. She's that girl that poisoned your
Speaker 2: coffee as.
Speaker 4: She gave it to you with oh yeah, oh deadly, deadly.
Speaker 4: And she's French too, Jacqueline.
Speaker 2: I don't trust her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't trust the French. I wouldn't trust a
Speaker 4: fucking said dirty. That's all they played dirty.
Speaker 2: Hey, I will say this for the French. I went
Speaker 2: to France and I went to Paris, and I have
Speaker 2: never felt like a more desired woman in my entire life.
Speaker 2: In fact, we couldn't leave there. I was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that it's so rapey there. I didn't show we yes,
Speaker 2: it's so bad. We we could.
Speaker 4: Not go in the streets.
Speaker 2: And all I had on was a sweater flare dress,
Speaker 2: so nothing, no fitted, none, none of that, just a
Speaker 2: flare dress and it was a sweater one, clear down,
Speaker 2: clear down turtleneck the whole nine yards. But it like
Speaker 2: fit me. It was a sweater, you know, sweater type.
Speaker 2: We had to go to the bathroom and change. We
Speaker 2: did not leave that airport. M m m m. We
Speaker 2: did not wear any clothes like that.
Speaker 4: They wanted to. They wanted to their French bagget something.
Speaker 2: I was terrified. I then understood, like I look around
Speaker 2: the streets and I was like, these women do not
Speaker 2: have their shit together. They all got a bun and
Speaker 2: their hairs like flipped, messy bun. They got the scarf on,
Speaker 2: like extra scarfs, and I'm like, now I know why
Speaker 2: they all have four scarfs and the Mormons, yes, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to hide everything. But then after I walked
Speaker 2: down the street, I was like, no, I know why. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got you. Yeah, I need I need to get scrape.
Speaker 4: On a Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's why I say the French they probably small. If
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be honest, I imagine.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. They will walk straight up
Speaker 2: to your face and tell you some crazy stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can smell your breath, bro, like that is.
Speaker 4: Way, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like get back. I will knock you into next month. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not nice, I'm not I am approachable if you
Speaker 2: know me, But if you don't know me, you best
Speaker 2: not be able to get your breath by me.
Speaker 4: I don't think that. Yeah, and you know what, No,
Speaker 4: this is a side tangent. But since you brought it
Speaker 4: up the the place that I worked before, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I ever told you this, but we like
Speaker 4: pulled people's teeth out because they had like perio and shit,
Speaker 4: and like once you smell that, you'll never fucking get it.
Speaker 4: A dead body smell. And like, I know what smell
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: I know that smell. I smelled it and wound.
Speaker 4: And like, yeah, it's like dead body mixed with like
Speaker 4: fishy puss and steak.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, if they walked into the room, you could
Speaker 4: smell them before you saw them kind of thing. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, that's just an unpleasant I
Speaker 4: just imagine this is so probably mean of.
Speaker 2: Me to We'll check this part out.
Speaker 4: We'll check this part out. I just imagine, like the
Speaker 4: type of dudes you're talking about, like having fucking pario breath,
Speaker 4: let's just be disgusting.
Speaker 2: I am so funny that way because I grew up
Speaker 2: a little hard around the edges.
Speaker 4: So I am not the girl.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: Don't bring the fucking pario mouth over me. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And I'm married alive myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I wear my ring. You better step back
Speaker 2: away from me. But they do not have any blonde
Speaker 2: haired like white blonde haired women, and they have no
Speaker 2: women with short hair. They have no short haired women.
Speaker 2: So I stuck out. There was no BLI it was
Speaker 2: not and they were all five ft six. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh lord, I'm four inches above every person here.
Speaker 5: And also now I do not fit in clearly. I
Speaker 5: am not from Oh. But it's like like like, oh,
Speaker 5: they hate Americans over there. I'm like, well, they loved me.
Speaker 4: So I was gonna say it's because that one lady
Speaker 4: that came on your show, uh and said that you
Speaker 4: were in Nephelom.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. They know.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, pay homage. I'm like, that's right.
Speaker 4: You draw them in with your fucking magic.
Speaker 2: The magic. Yeah. And I was with my older my
Speaker 2: oldest daughter, who also looks just like me. You've seen
Speaker 2: a picture of her, and we were looks like twins. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's five foot eight and five foot nine. She has
Speaker 2: blue eyes. I have green eyes. That's the only difference.
Speaker 2: But I tell you, I was in a freaking club
Speaker 2: getting just a drink, like it's like a bar, not
Speaker 2: like a club, just a drink, and some guy walked
Speaker 2: straight in my face. He was from our hotel, and
Speaker 2: he's like, you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in my entire life.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, so awkward.
Speaker 2: You're just like you're embarrassed for them, like I just
Speaker 2: and and my daughter was like really he was so
Speaker 2: mad because she thought he was cute. And I was like, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't want nothing to do with no crazy French man.
Speaker 2: So if you want to talk to him, knock yourself out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was nice and everything, but they're
Speaker 2: just like really brazen. I mean, it's a way to
Speaker 2: go French guys. I mean, I guess, like, way to
Speaker 2: go you, But I was, yeah, no, we don't do
Speaker 2: it like that.
Speaker 4: Isn't that where did you see taken with Liam Neeson?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Is that where she went on a trip or ship
Speaker 4: like that?
Speaker 2: I think it was Paris maybe, so I think everybody's
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer. You already know walking down I'm walking down
Speaker 2: the street like.
Speaker 4: Me too, me too. I have a horrible like so
Speaker 4: another side, and then I promise I'm being back to Maryland.
Speaker 2: And to our fans. We love you. But like there's reasons,
Speaker 2: there are reasons.
Speaker 4: Oh you just have to hear this ship. So you
Speaker 4: know how my mind works anyways, Like I always feel
Speaker 4: like everyone's out to get me. And so Colby and
Speaker 4: I on our way here, stopped at this gas station,
Speaker 4: truck stop whatever, and I always make sure I have
Speaker 4: my phone on me just in case I get abducted,
Speaker 4: and so like, at least you can find where my
Speaker 4: carcasses later, as long as they well they could like
Speaker 4: discard my phone somewhere, but at least you'll know like
Speaker 4: the general vicinity of where my carcass is. But so
Speaker 4: we go to this like truck stop and they're working
Speaker 4: on the women's bathroom and they're like putting new toilets
Speaker 4: in there or something. So I had to go in
Speaker 4: this shower room to use the bathroom. And it was
Speaker 4: like an Indian guy and he was not creepy or anything,
Speaker 4: but he's like, hey, go in the shower room, and
Speaker 4: so I went in there and this other guy started
Speaker 4: banging on the door, like multiple times, banging on the
Speaker 4: door to get in there. And I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: most vulnerable position you can be in a in a
Speaker 4: shower room with your pants down and some dude banging
Speaker 4: on the door. I have no ever pushed piss out
Speaker 4: harder or faster in my life. And I was like,
Speaker 4: this is it. This is it. This is the part
Speaker 4: where he's here and he rapes me to death, like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh. And then I opened the door really
Speaker 4: quick to get out of there, and he was just
Speaker 4: like fucking standing there in the doorway, and I was like,
Speaker 4: this is it. I'm gonna get raped and murdered and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna die, and fucking why am like this? I
Speaker 4: see the light at the end of the tunnel, but
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know you're real.
Speaker 2: Because it's really desolate, you guys if you never.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in the middle of nowhere. But so
Speaker 4: that's why I always say, like, I always think that
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get raped and murdered. It's probably because it is, though,
Speaker 4: because I've watched true crime stuff with my mom since
Speaker 4: I was a little kid, and you know, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff is psyops a little bit
Speaker 4: like the way they sensationalized murder and rape the way
Speaker 4: they sensationalize serial killers. And I'm starting to find that out,
Speaker 4: like as I move along in my conspiracy theory journey,
Speaker 4: but as a kid watching that stuff and until just recently,
Speaker 4: really the the idea of like a lone nut psychopath raping,
Speaker 4: murdering person that's just like out there and you don't
Speaker 4: know where they are, and that they could be like
Speaker 4: extremely good looking and like you'd never know, or you know,
Speaker 4: like Jeff Don worked out a fucking chocolate factory or
Speaker 4: like whatever he did. Yeah, if they're just like hidden
Speaker 4: in plain sight. Like the thought of that it terrified
Speaker 4: me as a kid, and it yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 4: feel like it has definitely followed me into my adult
Speaker 4: life a little bit because I'm always so weary of
Speaker 4: being alone places. But the whole uh serial killer thing,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've gotten a chance to listen
Speaker 4: to my uh and I guess shameless plug my new
Speaker 4: program to kill a series, but it's yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I think there are some some interesting uh you would
Speaker 4: like it let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But.
Speaker 4: The more you look into it, you kind of see,
Speaker 4: like the whole serial killer thing is probably like unfortunately
Speaker 4: a bunch of people who have been programmed and home
Speaker 4: grown from our own secret military operations, like Henry Lee Lucas.
Speaker 4: He said that, David Berger, you know, they they say
Speaker 4: shit like that. Ted Bundy was even involved in politics
Speaker 4: to some degree, you know, so, but I don't trust him.
Speaker 4: I don't trust any of them. But see, getting back
Speaker 4: to Maryland, though, it is like it sucks to think
Speaker 4: that it was probably the Kennedy's. Like I know a
Speaker 4: lot of people want to say, like, oh, it was
Speaker 4: the CIA, or it was the mob, or it was whoever.
Speaker 4: But after the birthday party, shit started to go fucking
Speaker 4: downhill fast, and I'm more and more leaning towards the
Speaker 4: idea that this was an inside job. You know this, Well,
Speaker 4: she definitely didn't kill herself, So those are options.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think you want to violently
Speaker 2: hold yourself down and cause butt bruises. Why you exterminate
Speaker 2: yourself through the anus, especially knowing how vain she was
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry she was, but like I get it, girl,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to my mailbox some kind of
Speaker 2: way either, So you know, like she wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: die like that, Like what if she craped? What if
Speaker 2: she crapped herself? Like and ps, what the hell was
Speaker 2: the little miss?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: I'm cleaning everything? While was it? She? I'm just curious, That's.
Speaker 4: What I said too, because there had to have been
Speaker 4: some type of a mess that needed to be cleaned up.
Speaker 2: She can tell, she needs to tell if we take.
Speaker 4: Into consideration how vain of a person she was. And
Speaker 4: let's just say that I'm also in you know, most
Speaker 4: women are in some way a little vain. If you're
Speaker 4: gonna kill yourself and you are Marilyn Monroe, you telling
Speaker 4: me that's the way she decided to.
Speaker 2: Go out like you make on Yeah, yeah dress.
Speaker 4: No suicide note, no suicide note. She was like an
Speaker 4: extremely dramatic person, and she journaled every single day. She
Speaker 4: had a stash of journals and that's the thing. They
Speaker 4: she kept her journals in her guest house, which tell
Speaker 4: me why this makes sense if she killed herself. The
Speaker 4: night that her body was found, her guest house was
Speaker 4: broken into and all of her journals and shit were missing.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Okay, Yeah, she didn't leave a suicide note.
Speaker 4: She didn't have any makeup on, she didn't have her
Speaker 4: hair done, and actually she had just placed the call
Speaker 4: right before her hour of death, as they would later
Speaker 4: come to find, like, moments before her hour of death,
Speaker 4: she placed the call to her hairdresser confirming her appointment
Speaker 4: for the next morning. These are just things a suicidal
Speaker 4: person on the brink of death would not be doing.
Speaker 4: And again, the bear dresser did not say that she
Speaker 4: had any indication of thinking this person was on pills
Speaker 4: or overdosed in anyway. She was coherent, she didn't have
Speaker 4: any slurds, each nothing. She confirmed her hair appointment for
Speaker 4: the next morning. She also, like a few days prior
Speaker 4: to this, had a session with her psychiatrist, and her
Speaker 4: psychiatrists was saying, like in what good spirits she was,
Speaker 4: that she had a bunch of projects coming up that
Speaker 4: she was really looking forward to, that she felt like
Speaker 4: she had turned her life around and things were looking up,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, she just kills herself.
Speaker 4: And Netflix and HBO Max loved to portray her as
Speaker 4: this depressed, suicidal maniac that was just you know, at
Speaker 4: her wits end. And couldn't take it anymore and just
Speaker 4: murdered herself. But that is not the story, Like, that's
Speaker 4: just not the case. A lot of people talked about
Speaker 4: how she was on the upswing, how her doctors were
Speaker 4: wean her off of medication. You know, she called and
Speaker 4: confirmed a hair appointment. She talked to her friend on
Speaker 4: the phone, like these are just things. You know, Robert
Speaker 4: Kennedy was seen at her house earlier that day, like
Speaker 4: the birthday party. You start adding up all of this
Speaker 4: shit together, and it to me points more in the
Speaker 4: direction of, uh, you know, what did she know? Who
Speaker 4: was she about to tell?
Speaker 2: Uh? Because he made him He made a threat. She
Speaker 2: made a threat like if you do this to me
Speaker 2: and you embarrass me, I'm gonna sing like the bitch
Speaker 2: that I am. Because she comes off you know she's
Speaker 2: a bitch. I mean she shows up at a party
Speaker 2: and his wife is there. You know that's bitchy shit.
Speaker 4: You know she already definitely and if she was a
Speaker 4: programmed multiple, which I think that she was, you have
Speaker 4: to wonder what all she you and what information she
Speaker 4: had gathered that she could have started, you know, singing about.
Speaker 4: And there was an aspect of her probably one of
Speaker 4: her personalities that was a great business woman. She made
Speaker 4: great business decisions, and she made really great career decisions actually,
Speaker 4: And so that's why I say when you look at
Speaker 4: her and there's actually a poster of her where they
Speaker 4: put like a big monarch butterfly over her face, and
Speaker 4: to me, again, that just seems like they're telling you
Speaker 4: without telling you. But she was probably a programmed multiple
Speaker 4: and like one of her personalities was really smart about shit.
Speaker 4: And there was like probably her alpha personality that was
Speaker 4: like Norma Jean, like the broken person that grew up
Speaker 4: in an orphanage and was like wanting love and all
Speaker 4: the things. And she, like you said, she had a
Speaker 4: bunch of miscarriages, and I'm sure that in some ways
Speaker 4: she was a depressed person. I think maybe her alpha
Speaker 4: personality was a depressed person. And then like her her
Speaker 4: programmed personality was like a devious, bitch, crazy path like yeah,
Speaker 4: like catch me outside type shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's from the streets, right, you don't grow up
Speaker 2: in orphanages and foster homes and you don't know how
Speaker 2: to fight.
Speaker 4: She knows how the night or yeah, that night after
Speaker 4: the birthday party, because she was all over the Kennedys,
Speaker 4: both of them, just flaunting her shit left and right.
Speaker 4: And that night, the CIA showed up at the hotel
Speaker 4: rooms of all these reporters who were taking pictures of
Speaker 4: Maryland with the Kennedy brothers, and they confiscated all of
Speaker 4: their shit. They confiscated all the photos. They even confiscated
Speaker 4: some of the cameras, and like they're well there, and
Speaker 4: they were like, you are not to write anything about
Speaker 4: Marilyn and the Kennedy brothers. You are not to write anything.
Speaker 4: So you know already this cover up had begun, and
Speaker 4: Jackie was fucking pissed off. I'm sure pissed off.
Speaker 2: I would be pissed because you know, she already gave
Speaker 2: up one of her kids for him to get into office.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's true, like they had a really bad
Speaker 2: death of one of their kids. Like if you've done
Speaker 2: all this sacrifice and then this girl shows up, like,
Speaker 2: I'd be pissed.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that you bring that up because I covered
Speaker 4: in another episode in Don't Get Me to Lie, and
Speaker 4: I can't remember which one it was, but I talked
Speaker 4: about Martha Moxley because her death was super fucking suspicious
Speaker 4: and it turned out that it was one of Ethel's.
Speaker 2: Nephews. Oh nephew okay, murdered her with a golf club. Wow.
Speaker 4: And they covered that whole ship up, Like.
Speaker 2: I think I heard that episode. She was at a
Speaker 2: birthday party or something, and then they they tried to
Speaker 2: cover they were rich or something. Yes, because I remember this, yep,
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be the first time that they right, it
Speaker 4: would be the first time, like they fucked around and
Speaker 4: killed somebody and then the fucking the whole thing gets
Speaker 4: covered up just because he's a Kennedy y so.
Speaker 2: Well, and maybe that was he was given the line
Speaker 2: like you're cleaning up your sloppy, fucking mess because look
Speaker 2: at this, you're creating an embarrassment not only for yourself,
Speaker 2: but now for the nation because that happened at a
Speaker 2: birthday party for the president, Like I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: or she could be a spy, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, Ethel was was kind of unfortunately looking. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you ever no, I know, but I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying Ethel though, if you were gonna get jealous,
Speaker 4: I mean, she's not the one, because like she already
Speaker 4: is unfortunate looking. She's already it's like, look at all
Speaker 4: this ship I've done for you, and like you're just
Speaker 4: gonna launch yourself around with you know. It was just
Speaker 4: like that one with that and then Jack supposed to
Speaker 4: like she she had a trip plan to go to
Speaker 4: like France or some ship like that, and then heard
Speaker 4: that Marilyn was going to be at the party and
Speaker 4: canceled all of her plans so she could be there
Speaker 4: or something. I don't know, but the thing is.
Speaker 2: But she she was. She was completely opposite of Marylyn.
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna be jealous of somebody like you'd
Speaker 2: be like, why didn't you sleep with somebody like me?
Speaker 2: Like this chick looks Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Like the ultimate, the ultimate, isn't it? You cheated on
Speaker 4: someone who looks nothing like me? But I don't think
Speaker 4: that he he discriminated. I think that woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about his counting the boy who they were
Speaker 2: just hooking up left and right like show. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna die as a kid, So he's
Speaker 2: living it up now because he was real sick when
Speaker 2: he was young and that's why. Yeah, yeah he was bedridden, but.
Speaker 4: So so wasn't Joseph Smith.
Speaker 6: But yes, yes, I it's a full circle moment telling you.
Speaker 4: But if you want to believe it was the Kennedy's fine,
Speaker 4: If you want to believe it was the mob to
Speaker 4: frame the Kennedy's fine. If you want to believe that
Speaker 4: the CIA had some part to do with it, fine.
Speaker 4: But at least you can agree that she didn't kill herself.
Speaker 4: Who you want to to attribute it to, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think is up for speculation because none of us
Speaker 4: really can know for sure. We can kind of like
Speaker 4: put the pieces together of like who she was fucking
Speaker 4: with and like her connections and kind of go from there.
Speaker 4: But I almost kind of like leave it. Yeah, well
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I kind of like to leave
Speaker 4: it as to choose your own adventure, kind of because
Speaker 4: it gives the listener an opportunity to look into it
Speaker 4: for themselves and see who they think they want to
Speaker 4: blame it on. But if I were to just say
Speaker 4: one hundred percent one way or the other who I
Speaker 4: thought it was, I really I really don't know and
Speaker 4: could be wrong. So I hate to say for sure,
Speaker 4: but I'm leaning more towards the Kennedys. And every time
Speaker 4: I do this presentation, I start to lean even more
Speaker 4: towards them, because it just the birthday party really was
Speaker 4: like the nail and the coffin for her especially, and
Speaker 4: they found that like piece of paper in her bed
Speaker 4: with like the office phone number on it, and that
Speaker 4: disappeared out of evidence and stuff, and it just.
Speaker 2: Well, didn't you find it completely okay? Either two things
Speaker 2: are at play on this next little piece. Either JFK
Speaker 2: Junior saw some shit because he conveniently disappeared right with
Speaker 2: his wife. Or I always wondered about that when he
Speaker 2: disappeared on his little airplane, like did he know something
Speaker 2: and he was gonna be like, I'm gonna tell some
Speaker 2: stories here, and or his mom made some karmic bad
Speaker 2: decisions like something over on that, you know, like, well,
Speaker 2: in that family's cursed.
Speaker 4: That family, they're all cursed. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: they say that lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place,
Speaker 4: But what are the odds that RFK Junior and his
Speaker 4: sister both sound like they have fucking turettes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. And then on top of it, you know,
Speaker 2: there was another brother that died. John F. Kennedy's brother
Speaker 2: I think died before because he wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 2: the one because he was sickly. I think there was
Speaker 2: another one. I can't remember for sure for sure, but.
Speaker 4: It's like all the the QAnon stuff with like JFK.
Speaker 4: Junior that was back and but like there are so
Speaker 4: many that he's not the only one. But I have
Speaker 4: spoken about on other episodes how sacrificial it is to
Speaker 4: die in an airplane accident, because like Buddy Hawley, I
Speaker 4: talked about with the Laurel Canyon stuff, how his death
Speaker 4: ushered in the counterculture movement and they all died in
Speaker 4: that airplane. John Denver died in an airplane. Aliyah died
Speaker 4: in an airplane. This one guy that was researching Big
Speaker 4: Bopper a Big Bobber and Richie Valence. But the there
Speaker 4: was this guy who was researching the Franklin scandal with
Speaker 4: all those boys that were getting molested and raped, and
Speaker 4: he died in an airport plane. Kobe died in an airplane.
Speaker 4: It's just like if you if you really look at it,
Speaker 4: a lot of these are super super super uh suspicious
Speaker 4: And JFK. Junior is just one of many who got
Speaker 4: the old Kobe. Well, he came before Kobe, So I
Speaker 4: can't really say he got yobed.
Speaker 2: But well, uh, you know that's a lot of them
Speaker 2: because she lost like another kid before that, she lost him.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's something on that family. Man, it
Speaker 2: is scary. And I'm not saying RFK currently like but
Speaker 2: I'm talking about his bloodline. We're talking about bloodlines here right,
Speaker 2: Like it's bad and scary, but like, who knows. I
Speaker 2: know his dad made some really big deals with the
Speaker 2: devil to get those boys in.
Speaker 4: So and it's just like I said before, Uh, it's
Speaker 4: all to do with the Kennedys and how sacrificial this
Speaker 4: whole thing is because after Maryland, it wasn't very long
Speaker 4: after that John F. Kennedy got the axe, and then Roberts.
Speaker 2: And then and then his son, How's Arry, you know.
Speaker 4: So I think it was like, what was it like
Speaker 4: maybe a couple months or a few uh six months
Speaker 4: or something. August for nineteen sixty two is when Marilyn
Speaker 4: got it. In November nineteen sixty three is when John
Speaker 4: got it, so literally a year a year, Heidi. So
Speaker 4: that makes me think, like this is just all a
Speaker 4: domino effect kind of, and if we're gonna go with
Speaker 4: that that Marilyn got it and then a year later
Speaker 4: John got it. Maybe it wasn't the Kennedys that killed
Speaker 4: Marylyn because they got killed too, So maybe there was
Speaker 4: a CIA. Maybe there is. That's why I say it's
Speaker 4: to choose your own adventure. But I do want the
Speaker 4: listeners to know that she didn't kill herself.
Speaker 2: No, she did not. I don't. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: I do want to mention Jacqueline Kennedy on Nassas. She
Speaker 2: had four children. One was a stillborn and that was
Speaker 2: their first child was a miscarriage, and then Patrick Bouvie
Speaker 2: A Kennedy died two days after birth from a serious
Speaker 2: lung ailment. And then John F. Kennedy Junior died in
Speaker 2: a plane. And the only surviving child is a girl,
Speaker 2: Carolyn Booby a Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: And actually they totally did. And there is a letter
Speaker 6: my mom told me about this. There is a letter
Speaker 6: that Jackie wrote to Caroline that or maybe she'd no,
Speaker 6: it's a letter that Jackie wrote that can't be opened
Speaker 6: until Caroline dies. So whatever is in that, I mean,
Speaker 6: we'll see. But she robs and she said.
Speaker 4: This cannot be open or read until Carolyn has died.
Speaker 2: Would you would you leave that alone? Because there's no way.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting a day. I'm waiting a day and I'm
Speaker 2: opening Oh wait, hang on, mom mhm. But thinks that
Speaker 2: I'm waiting a day. I'm waiting a day and I'm
Speaker 2: opening the letter I'm.
Speaker 4: Sorry, letter one hundred because whatever is in it is
Speaker 4: obviously so significant that she doesn't want it read in
Speaker 4: front of her. But it's probably to do with and
Speaker 4: you know what, I've been kind of looking into the
Speaker 4: JFK thing a little bit more, and I'm starting to think, heiiti,
Speaker 4: just hear me out. The whole Zapruder film, in the
Speaker 4: whole bad bang is staged, and that's all fake footage.
Speaker 2: I totally don't you know who was there? Don't you
Speaker 2: you know who was there? Was Papa Bush. Papa Bush
Speaker 2: was there that day. You look into Papa Bush and
Speaker 2: you'll find your answers. He was telling you he was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 4: That's another one that's in this book that I feel
Speaker 4: like everybody should read again. It's called dead wrong. But
Speaker 4: the circumstances surrounding everybody knows like John F. Kennedy was
Speaker 4: not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. But the Portruiter film, Dude,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm almost a hundred that that is all fake.
Speaker 4: And I'm you know, the doctors at Parkland pretty much
Speaker 4: said that his head was exploded. You know, there was,
Speaker 4: and so it's just it's just I don't know, girl,
Speaker 4: like the blatant obvious lies that we're meant to believe,
Speaker 4: you know, regarding Maryland, regarding jfk Uh. You know, it's
Speaker 4: just for me if I guarded people Aliyah for sure,
Speaker 4: and like how the whole Beyonce jay Z thing and
Speaker 4: it's such a part of our culture that we are
Speaker 4: just you know, some people are waking up to it.
Speaker 4: I think that they do throw some people at us
Speaker 4: just to distract us, like like the Diddy parties and
Speaker 4: all this, and Tom Hanks. I think that they throw
Speaker 4: those out there as like sacrificial lambs to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's give them a little bit of of the truth
Speaker 4: and distract them while we do all this other fucked
Speaker 4: up shit. So, I mean, I'm I'm glad that people
Speaker 4: are waking up to the idea that we're living a
Speaker 4: lie and that a lot of this stuff is just
Speaker 4: blatant lies. And you know it's like, who cares Marilyn
Speaker 4: died so long ago. Well, she's still idolized, she's still
Speaker 4: very much a part of pop culture. They're still making
Speaker 4: documentaries about her, they're still feeding us this lie that
Speaker 4: she killed herself. Because if people start waking up to
Speaker 4: the reality that if back in the sixties and even
Speaker 4: before that, they were able to so easily, you know,
Speaker 4: it goes all the way back to like the fake
Speaker 4: moon landing, the fake this like everything that we've we've
Speaker 4: come to know as fact and as part of our
Speaker 4: life and as part of our culture has just turned
Speaker 4: out to be a huge fucking lie. Mm Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, convenient, Yeah, it's convenient because it's
Speaker 2: all well, and it all means something like these are
Speaker 2: magical things done in a specific, very specific way, just
Speaker 2: like I'm older than you and the Challenger, the Space
Speaker 2: Shuttle Challenger accident that didn't really happen. You can look
Speaker 2: these people up and they're still freaking alive. Like now, you.
Speaker 4: Got's a great example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was meant to torture us and nine
Speaker 2: to eleven for you know, your generation, like it's meant
Speaker 2: to torture. People like to see this thing happen on
Speaker 2: TV and they're like, ooh, sorry about it. But somehow
Speaker 2: that was the one time, you know, they put all
Speaker 2: the kids that put it on every TV in the
Speaker 2: freaking school.
Speaker 4: No, you did that on purpose, you know. And you know, Heidi,
Speaker 4: I covered a whole episode on John Denver because I
Speaker 4: do think that he had something going on that he
Speaker 4: wasn't really like. People don't remember him for this. They
Speaker 4: remember him as being like a foulk country singer. But
Speaker 4: he was involved in NASA. He was involved in a
Speaker 4: lot of these weird governmental things. He was friends with
Speaker 4: two presidents, and he was supposed to be on the
Speaker 4: Challenger that day. He had his fucking suit ready to go,
Speaker 4: He had his fucking they they were gonna announce it
Speaker 4: to everyone that John Denver was gonna be on the Challenger,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden something came up and
Speaker 4: he couldn't be on it.
Speaker 2: Of course not.
Speaker 4: And then he like the people song about it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he wrote a song about it that was like you
Speaker 4: you they were flying for me, Like basically they were
Speaker 4: flying in his place and they died and he didn't.
Speaker 4: And then you find out they didn't die either, and
Speaker 4: it's just like, oh, come, But then he did supposedly
Speaker 4: die in a plane accident later on, and they couldn't
Speaker 4: never explain really what went wrong with his air his
Speaker 4: jet that it would have crashed that way. And he's
Speaker 4: one of the ones that a lot of people think
Speaker 4: could possibly still be alive.
Speaker 2: Ah makes you wonder, you know, strangely thing you know
Speaker 2: what happened, and stranger things have happened. And we only
Speaker 2: have jet rocket propulsion because Jack Parsons was out masturbating
Speaker 2: in the desert, So man, you can fact chuck me.
Speaker 2: People like these things. We only have supercomputers because some
Speaker 2: guy was digging under his house talking to gnomes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. That's what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying though, is like people are so like I don't
Speaker 4: want to say that they're ignorant or anything, but they
Speaker 4: are just it's just so much easier to believe whatever
Speaker 4: they give us as the explanation than to look into
Speaker 4: doing all this mess, because like you get to a
Speaker 4: point where you're you get kind of like bummed out
Speaker 4: almost that, Yeah, you get a little bummed because these
Speaker 4: things and like how many people out there, like we
Speaker 4: were saying at the beginning of the episode. Have always
Speaker 4: kind of idolized Marilyn and have have been felt so
Speaker 4: sorry for her that she felt like she needed to
Speaker 4: end her life, and the reality is actually so much
Speaker 4: sadder that she was held down and literally and literally
Speaker 4: sodomized with a fucking deadly injection up the ass, Like
Speaker 4: it's just you.
Speaker 2: Know, did they mention anything about what Joe DiMaggio might
Speaker 2: think about this, because I know he was a key
Speaker 2: player in her life and actually after her death, he.
Speaker 4: Was very close with her. Well. He had said that
Speaker 4: she called him a few days before this all happened
Speaker 4: and she was upset about relationship issues. And then it's
Speaker 4: like I said before, they saw Robert at her house
Speaker 4: that day, which they say plays a part in why
Speaker 4: if it was the mob and they had her phones
Speaker 4: tapped and they knew Robert was coming over that morning,
Speaker 4: why they might have chosen to do it that day
Speaker 4: to again frame it to look like it was the Kennedys,
Speaker 4: And because they did eventually end up killing John and Robert.
Speaker 4: I'm still kind of on the fence as to whether
Speaker 4: it could have been the mob framing the Kennedys, or
Speaker 4: because Jay Edgar Hoover got involved in the cleanup after
Speaker 4: Marylyn was murdered. That the CIA could have played a
Speaker 4: little part to doing it as well. But maybe Jackie
Speaker 4: ran that bitch.
Speaker 2: Maybe Jackie ran that clean up crew, and she's like
Speaker 2: off with all their heads.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because there was even gosh, I'm blanking on
Speaker 4: his name, but the brother in law of one of
Speaker 4: the Kennedys had like this beach house that Marylyn would
Speaker 4: go to all the time with the Kennedys, and they
Speaker 4: had that house tapped too, So no matter where she was,
Speaker 4: she was always under surveillance. She was becoming emotionally sexually
Speaker 4: involved with these people, and then you know it's like
Speaker 4: the woman scorned thing, and you know, God only knows
Speaker 4: what all.
Speaker 2: You know, could could she's an international with her being
Speaker 2: an international asset, you know, it makes me wonder, especially
Speaker 2: with that letter, like maybe that letter is about her
Speaker 2: and and she's some big spy and she freaking took
Speaker 2: them all out, Like maybe that was the whole plan.
Speaker 2: Who knows. You know, she made sure that bloodline, if so,
Speaker 2: they made sure that bloodline didn't proceed as far as
Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy's bloodline himself. They're all dead, all the boys,
Speaker 2: they're all.
Speaker 4: Dead, and which makes you think again, like it probably
Speaker 4: wasn't the Kennedy sent So that's why I always say
Speaker 4: it's it's just like a choose your own adventure. You
Speaker 4: can go one of three ways. Really, if there's a
Speaker 4: fourth possibility, you know, out there, I'd love to hear it,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody has a fourth option. But for me,
Speaker 4: I've narrowed it down to the three that it was
Speaker 4: either the Kennedys, the CIA, or the mob, because those
Speaker 4: were the three people, the three entities that could have
Speaker 4: stood to gain the most from her death. And when
Speaker 4: something like this happens, you always have to ask why
Speaker 4: and who benefits from it, And those three entities stood
Speaker 4: to gain the most from her death. And so that's
Speaker 4: who I've whittled it down to. But especially with them,
Speaker 4: like I said, John Elton, John wrote the song talking
Speaker 4: about her being nude, and the newspapers talking about her
Speaker 4: being nude, and the pills and the staged glass of
Speaker 4: water with the staged knocked over pill bottle that wouldn't
Speaker 4: have even been enough to kill her. It's just all theater.
Speaker 4: And I do feel sorry for her I do think
Speaker 4: she had a horribly tough life and it ended in
Speaker 4: an even more horribly tough way. And I just think
Speaker 4: it's such an insult to her for them to keep
Speaker 4: propagating the idea in all of these documentaries that she
Speaker 4: was so depressed that she did this to herself, because
Speaker 4: there's just absolutely no physical way for her to have
Speaker 4: done this to herself. And also, how many dead bodies
Speaker 4: do you know, roll around fucking after they're dead?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 4: Like it just you know, Heidi, it's just not and
Speaker 4: too it's almost like to shame her naked, no makeup on, hair,
Speaker 4: messed up, face all bloated, and you know, taking pictures
Speaker 4: of her, and then to say she did that to herself,
Speaker 4: it's just well.
Speaker 2: And then when they brought her kind of when when
Speaker 2: they brought her out on the gurney when she was
Speaker 2: passed away, the weird thing that I thought that they
Speaker 2: did is they only placed like a cheese cloth on
Speaker 2: her face like it was kind of see through, instead
Speaker 2: of putting her in a body bag. Why didn't they
Speaker 2: put her in a body bags?
Speaker 4: And then and then her body goes missing, then they
Speaker 4: can't find her organs, Then they can't find the autopsy
Speaker 4: reports later on, then the housekeeper focks off to Europe,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, the timeline doesn't add up. They
Speaker 4: bury this this police officer, uh, Sergeant Jack Clemens. They
Speaker 4: buried his ass. They all but threatened his job because
Speaker 4: he kept saying he wanted to testify and they kept
Speaker 4: saying no. And so I mean, it's just like, even
Speaker 4: if you want to go on the very bare basics
Speaker 4: of what we know to be true about uh pill
Speaker 4: overdoses with like the the throw up in the regurgitated material,
Speaker 4: why wasn't that at the crime scene if that's what happened?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, the whole thing doesn't make sense. The
Speaker 2: whole thing seems super sketchy. And I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't buy it for sure. Oh there, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm with you. I'm not sure who.
Speaker 4: But Heidi, I think you need to refresh again. It's
Speaker 4: all glitched out.
Speaker 2: Uh oh uh oh, all right, well with the with
Speaker 2: that will end because it's being a pain, and also
Speaker 2: because she's laid it all out for you guys, She's
Speaker 2: told you where to find the information. I think it's
Speaker 2: really uh definitely laid out on the table that she
Speaker 2: did not kill herself, and I don't believe Kurt Cobain
Speaker 2: did either. For that matter, there's a bunch of them
Speaker 2: that I don't think did, and so you know, we
Speaker 2: can we can look into it and people can say
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, but it does matter because his bloodline
Speaker 2: just got into office via Donald Trump, so sort of
Speaker 2: does matter in the long end of things, you know,
Speaker 2: with that, Julia, any final.
Speaker 4: Words, Well, thank you so much for having me. I
Speaker 4: always love discussing this topic because I feel like it's
Speaker 4: one that a lot of people like. It hits home
Speaker 4: for them because they have like such a fondness for her,
Speaker 4: and they're it's someone that's easily recognizable, you know. It's
Speaker 4: it's not like I'm talking about some obscure person who
Speaker 4: the CIA fucking stage the death of or everybody knows
Speaker 4: who Marilyn is and it's so fucking sad. I can
Speaker 4: get people on board with this cover up, it'll be
Speaker 4: easier for them to digest all the other cover ups. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but no, Yeah, thank you so much for having me,
Speaker 4: and I hope I hope the listeners learned a thing
Speaker 4: or two today.
Speaker 2: Awesome, and let people know where they can find you
Speaker 2: in about your new series that you mentioned. Heidi there, yep,
Speaker 2: I'm here. It's being really weird. I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Okay, it's glitching out on me, but okay, if you want,
Speaker 4: I just plugged my stuff real quick, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah. Let people know where
Speaker 2: they can find your new series and where to find you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I have a three new series out right now.
Speaker 4: I have The Pedaphocracy, Uncle Sam Wants Your Children, and
Speaker 4: Program to Kill. They're all available right now. If you
Speaker 4: want early access to all of those episodes and bonus content,
Speaker 4: you can find me on Patreon Cosmic Peach podcast. The
Speaker 4: patreon is called Room two three seven, and you can
Speaker 4: check in there get early access to all of my
Speaker 4: episodes and the bonus content. You can also find me
Speaker 4: if you just google it. I'm on Spotify or Apple
Speaker 4: or wherever you listen to podcasts, and I'm always down
Speaker 4: to bring some new listeners over to the show and
Speaker 4: blow blow your mind with some interesting shit.
Speaker 2: There you go. Well, I'm glad we got through all
Speaker 2: this and taught the listeners a thing or two. I
Speaker 2: always adored Marilyn and I thought she got the raw end,
Speaker 2: so I definitely wanted to do something. After I saw
Speaker 2: your show, I thought it was great. So thank you again,
Speaker 2: my sweet friend, for coming on and letting everybody know.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, great show. Welles look so bad
Speaker 3: about why want?
Speaker 2: Say you.
Speaker 3: Want some of them?
Speaker 2: Won't they give you some of them?
Speaker 6: Some of them want?
Speaker 3: Tell me