WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.680 Karen, Yes, I got a good one for you. That 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:07.759 what happens when a paranormal experience, car jung and existential 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:13.199 dread walk into a bar. Everything happens, Well, you won't 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:16.679 be wrong. However, we get this week's guest on the 5 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:20.359 show right. She's an author, a youngin coach, a spiritual 6 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.199 director who went on a mind blowing journey to answer 7 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:27.559 life's ultimate questions. In this episode, she's gonna spill the 8 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.719 tea on what happens when we die, oh, how karma 9 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.159 actually works, and hint it's not about scoring points and 10 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:39.320 why shadow integration might just be the key to finding 11 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.960 your true self. If you've ever wrestled with the meaning 12 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.039 of life or just wanted to know what's on the 13 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.920 other side of the veil, this is one you do 14 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:53.280 not want to miss. Skeptic men, Position starts now. My 15 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.399 name is Will, and, unlike Boulder and Scully, believe so. 16 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:59.200 We've embarked in a journey of discovery. 17 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.840 We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and 18 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:02.719 metaphysical world. 19 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.040 We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even 20 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.519 joined a coven of witches. 21 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:09.640 And wait, you joined a coven. 22 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.519 Yep, all on the interest of finding something, anything, that 23 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.280 will prove that there's something beyond this physical. 24 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.560 Three dimensional world we all live in. 25 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:32.879 This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians there. It's Will just stepping 26 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.000 in here for a second to ask you for a favor. See, 27 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.000 the main reason we do this show is to help 28 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:42.040 others in their spiritual awakening, and nothing makes us happier 29 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:44.519 than to hear or read messages from those that are 30 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.200 resonating with the messages we're sharing on the show. 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Okay, I've kept you from the interview 43 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.479 long enough, so let's get to it. Thanks for listening. Hey, there, 44 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.840 I will and I'm Karen. And today's guest is an author, 45 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.560 a spiritual director, and Youngian coach who's been on a 46 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:39.080 mind blowing journey for answers after a life changing paranormal experience. 47 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:45.000 Brandy dove deep into contemplative spirituality in Carl Jung's teachings, 48 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:50.759 uncovering profound insights about reincarnation, karma, and the meaning of life. Now, 49 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.319 in her book Through the Veil, a Glimpse into the Afterlife, 50 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:57.919 she explores it all, and today she's here to share 51 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.639 her wisdom with us. Welcome to the show, Brandy Anderson. 52 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.759 Are you doing Hey, thank you for having me. It's 53 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:06.840 great to be here today. 54 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.439 Yeah, our studio audience is very excited about having you 55 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.639 on the show. Well, I'm excited, yeah, to get a 56 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:16.639 little red Bucks sometimes, So we got it. Just okay, 57 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.960 that's not right, all right, So, Brandy, is a pleasure 58 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.120 to meet you. Finally, I've done a lot of research 59 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.120 on you, and I'm excited where the conversation is going 60 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:29.240 to go. Karen, however, has no idea who you are 61 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:30.080 or why you're here. 62 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.000 So this sounds kind of bad. I mean that's intentional. 63 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:34.840 It is intentional. 64 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.479 No people to think I'm just a Yeah, it's a perspective. 65 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.159 It's a perspective of the audience. We do it on 66 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.479 purpose so she can bring those fresh questions to mine. 67 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.560 So I think I just want to dive right into 68 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:50.199 your experiences. What brought you down this path to explaining 69 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.080 the whole reason we're here? 70 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:53.960 Yeah. 71 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.960 So, well, I had a spiritual awakening back in twenty fourteen, 72 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.759 and that just kind of propelled me on a journey 73 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.960 of teking out ultimate truth. So I was coming from 74 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.560 a Christian context, meaning that I was raised in a 75 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.319 Christian family, although I was not practicing any form of religion. 76 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.280 I simply would have just identified as a Christian without actually, 77 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.960 you know, being a christ follower because I wasn't plugged 78 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.720 into any churches. I wasn't you know, engaged in any 79 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.279 way with my faith. And so I had this spiritual 80 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:28.079 awakening and it just it just blew my world apart. 81 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.639 And so I plugged into churches and I began just 82 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:36.079 reading and studying and just trying to lay a groundwork 83 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.399 for what had happened to me, like, have some some 84 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.879 sort of foundation to to hang what had happened to 85 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.000 me on if that makes sense a way to understand it. 86 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.000 It does. But then the very next question is one 87 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:46.800 that cares about. 88 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.439 To ask, Yes, what is it that happened that blew 89 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:50.079 your world apart? 90 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:50.560 Exactly? 91 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.199 Yeah? 92 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.240 Okay, so well, I had been experiencing a season of depression, 93 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.360 and looking back, I see now it wasn't a clinical depression. 94 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:05.000 It was existential depression, philosophical depression. But you know, at 95 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.240 the time, I didn't really know what had come over me. 96 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.720 It was just this heaviness that would not relent, and 97 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.319 so day after day I would just push forward, thinking, ah, 98 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.920 you know, this is just a season, it'll pass. Because 99 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.319 I had never been given to depression or episodes of 100 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.680 you know, like clinical depression or anything like that, so 101 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.279 I anticipated that it was just you know, a seasonal 102 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.040 gloominess that would that would shift. And when it did not, 103 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.720 it just it became so much that I felt I 104 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.040 just can't take this anymore. And one morning I woke 105 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.639 up and just under this cloud of palpable heaviness, I 106 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.319 cried out to God. And it was not a pious 107 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:42.480 prayer by any means. It was more of a if 108 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.000 you were there kind of prayer where I just started 109 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:49.160 unleashing all of my frustrations and just hoping that something 110 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.040 might shift. I just I just wanted some relief. And 111 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.360 in the midst of all of that turmoil, I heard 112 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.480 a voice as loud and clear as anything I've ever 113 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.920 heard in my life, and it just simply said be still. 114 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.079 It was loud, but it was internal to be sure, 115 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.959 it wasn't an external voice, but it was so loud 116 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.480 it just shook me to my core. An instant peace 117 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.920 washed over me in that moment, and I remember thinking, you. 118 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:11.920 Know, this is God. 119 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:16.680 That was my thought, but I had no context for it. Like, 120 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.560 like I said, I was not plugged into the church. 121 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.439 I was not like really practicing any form of religion, 122 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.920 so I didn't I didn't have a context for what 123 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.480 had happened to me. And so that that compelled me 124 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.480 to plug into some churches and start trying to make 125 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.120 sense of what I had experienced. And all of that 126 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:40.759 searching and seeking and reading and studying led me into 127 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:44.319 a more contemplative space. I found that mainstream Christian answers 128 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.279 to life's most important questions were just less than satisfying. 129 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.000 But I found a lot of peace and refreshment in 130 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.240 that contemplative space, which is just a more mystical Christianity, 131 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:00.720 more exponential, less conceptual, if you will. And so, as 132 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.120 I was in that space, a very mystical contemplative type space, 133 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.560 my grandmother, who was ninety five years old at the time, 134 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:11.759 was coming to the end of her life. 135 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:13.759 And as she. 136 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.920 Approached the end, she really had an aversion to death. 137 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.120 She did not want to die. She was afraid to die. 138 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.759 And she was a lady who was very plugged into 139 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.040 the church her entire life, Methodists in church every Sunday, 140 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.519 all of the you know, the Bible studies, the Sunday School, 141 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:30.560 the whole nine. You know. 142 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.639 She and so, but as she. 143 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:34.800 Approached the end of her life, she really had no 144 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.439 I guess, reassurance. I mean not at a deep level, 145 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.000 because she was afraid. And I should back up a 146 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.040 little and just say that when people come to the 147 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.800 end of their physical lives, the veil between the spiritual 148 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.959 and the physical becomes thin. And this is why a 149 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.560 lot of people on their deathbeds report to having seen 150 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.639 loved ones who have already crossed, you know, people that 151 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.639 that other people don't see in the room time. So 152 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.759 and at the moment of death, this still this veil 153 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.560 that is already thin, opens entirely and the spirit just 154 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.079 slips from the physical into the spiritual realm. And it's 155 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.199 usually an instantaneous phenomenon. But my grandmother had an aversion 156 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:21.000 to death, and she was resisting vehemently in her crossing, and. 157 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.600 So as she as she crossed, she sort of. 158 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:27.240 Became stuck between the spiritual and the physical, and her 159 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:31.000 portal remained open because of that, because she she remained 160 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.679 in you know, stuck in that in that in that 161 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.960 space between which some people would call an earth balanced spirit. 162 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.960 But pretty quickly she was no longer stuck. She didn't 163 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.960 stay stuck long at all, and she gained perspective about 164 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.080 her situation that she you know, that she had crossed 165 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.639 and that you know. 166 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.360 She could move on if she wanted. 167 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.639 However, she had this open portal, and so it allowed 168 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.480 her to be able to manipulate the physic go realm 169 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.519 in ways that she would not have been able to 170 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:04.159 if her portal was not open. 171 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:06.840 And so I got to ask the question, how do 172 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:07.679 you know all this. 173 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.639 So uh in retros at the time, I didn't know, 174 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:14.960 like my grandmother just died, you know, we would have 175 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.360 just said that that our grandmother had had crossed. But 176 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.039 because I am able, because she did find a way 177 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.679 to communicate with us, because she was able through her 178 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.320 portal to type words to us on electronic devices, and 179 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:28.720 it again with the television. 180 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.919 Yes, I told you I was going to get interesting. Yeah. 181 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.360 No, oh my gosh. 182 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.720 So and I've been able to ask her these questions 183 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.559 and that's so these are the answers that according to her, 184 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.679 you know, you know, how she she got stuck, her 185 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.360 portal remained open, and how she was able to reach out. 186 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:48.279 Right. 187 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:52.200 So there's so many questions that come to mind. But 188 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:57.879 you are talking. I mean, you're rooted in Christianity, your 189 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.559 your blee systems, you took, you mentioned several times you 190 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.519 tapped into churches and things like that. There are a 191 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:08.799 lot a lot of folks in the religious mindset who 192 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.159 would say that may not be your grandmother at all, 193 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.919 but rather malignant spirits. How do you know for sure 194 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.320 this is your grandmother, not the devil coming through? 195 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.679 Yeah, that's a great question. When my grandmother first came through. 196 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.360 That was the primary concern that my family, who lives 197 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.039 in the house, which I do not live in the 198 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.279 house where she crossed where the portal is located, and 199 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.279 where she began communicating, my family lives there, And yeah, 200 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:38.799 that was their initial concern, to be sure. In fact, 201 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.120 the first time that she reached out, what happened. The 202 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:46.919 television was off and it came on by itself, navigated 203 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.039 to the search It's a Roku smart television, so it 204 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.879 navigated to the search bar and the word hello appeared 205 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:57.240 in the search. Yeah. My family, Yeah, my family ran 206 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.639 screaming out of the house in fright, and they called 207 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.399 me and they were they were in tears, they were horrified. 208 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:08.159 So I suggested that they, you know, maybe cleanse, pray, 209 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.600 pray and sage or just cleanse the house. 210 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.080 But I really thought it might be a hacker. 211 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:18.720 That's what iological Yeah, my rational yeah, my rational mind 212 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.960 went straight to, this is a hacker. Someone has hacked 213 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.759 your system. They're playing a distasteful prank. Something electronic, you know, 214 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.120 is going on. Electronically is happening here. Uh So, anyway, 215 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.960 time as time passed, well, as soon as they were afraid, 216 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.639 the television shut off immediately, and and and nothing else 217 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.919 happened for a couple of days, and then it happened again. Uh, 218 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.279 this would just continue, you know, they would be afraid. 219 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.879 They would begin to pray and command whatever to leave. 220 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.399 They had checked the parameter the cameras to see if 221 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.720 anyone had, you know, like maybe hacked in or somebody 222 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.000 was like outside the window with a remote or. 223 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:57.759 Was it the same message? Was it always hello? Or 224 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.240 they're different messages second time? 225 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.519 Second time it was a little bit little more TREPI 226 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.200 she was more like hey. 227 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.879 The next time it was it was love. The word 228 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.279 love appeared. But it didn't matter. My family they were 229 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:10.480 like they were not having it. 230 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:11.360 Horrified. 231 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:12.960 I thought it was a nice hacker. 232 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:19.559 Yeah. So you know, this persisted, and so finally my 233 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:21.679 aunt even moved out to give you an idea, she 234 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.039 was so afraid. She called her son and she said, 235 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.519 just I'm coming to stay with you because it was 236 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:27.559 so unnerving to her. 237 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:29.480 I mean I probably be unnerved myself. 238 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.799 Is your family is your the rest of your family? 239 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:32.559 Are they Christians? 240 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:32.679 Like? 241 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.480 Could they have brought in a priestood exercise? 242 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:36.120 Yeah? 243 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:36.919 Yeah? 244 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.320 And that that was my aunt actually had called a 245 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.440 chaplain that she that was involved, like that she had 246 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:45.879 known from when my grandmother was crossing, and you know, 247 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.840 and he suggested just you know, pray and command whatever 248 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:50.159 to leave or whatever. 249 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:51.480 And they did all the things. 250 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.480 But like I said, this activity persisted, not in a 251 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.480 frightening way, just like it would it would subside as 252 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.639 they were frightened. And then you know, in the course 253 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.000 of a days, like the TV would pop on, go 254 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:03.879 to the search and a word would come into the 255 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:09.799 search bar. And finally I suggested that let's not run 256 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:11.759 out screaming in fright Let's try to get to the 257 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.720 bottom of this because it's not stopping. And we in 258 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.039 my mind I thought it was really something someone in the. 259 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.480 Physical realm who was hacking into the system in some capacity. 260 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.279 So, as a TV producer, are going to ask the question, 261 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.679 any video of this in existence? Have you said? You? 262 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.480 Did you think to capture it so the people look 263 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:32.679 you got it? 264 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.120 Yeah, in the beginning, we did take a lot of video, 265 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:38.960 although it doesn't conclusively prove that it's anything from the 266 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.759 other side. It's just words coming into the search bar 267 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.120 in response to our questions. And I mean, you know, 268 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.799 someone could say, well, someone is manipulating the television. 269 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:47.799 Someone is typing that. 270 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.679 With a certain app or something, but the search bar 271 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.120 actually comes up on the screen on the television when 272 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:54.240 you do that, so you would see someone actually did 273 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.840 searching for the letters on the search bar. That was 274 00:13:57.879 --> 00:13:59.759 the case weld you not you. 275 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.279 Could unless they were using an app, and then you wouldn't. 276 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.960 So there is a way. Yeah, And so that's the yah, 277 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:08.279 right I did. 278 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.399 Because one thing also is the words could sometimes have 279 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.240 capital letters or punctuation, and that's not available, like if 280 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:17.879 you're on your television, there are no there's no way 281 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.799 to make a capital letter, and there's no way. 282 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.159 To put punctuation, although these were coming into the search bar. 283 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.519 So I did download the Roku app to see and 284 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.759 you can do that with the app. So that's still 285 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.159 not conclusive evidence that it's coming from the other side. 286 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.879 But the thing that the way that we determined, the 287 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.039 way that I was convinced that it was not a hacker, 288 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.679 someone in the physical realm at all, is because whoever 289 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.360 it was could read our thoughts. When we finally did 290 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:46.559 engage with whoever it was, it rocked us when they 291 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.679 were able to tell us things that no one knew 292 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:51.919 things that we were thinking in the moment, like in 293 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.399 real time, respond to those thoughts in the moment. 294 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:57.279 Also, they knew things that we had never. 295 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:02.279 Shared with another soul were getting it, and so we were, 296 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.200 I mean, at that point we were like, this is 297 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.279 definitely something spiritual, but is it Granny? You know, we 298 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.240 were still had our reservations about that. But I know 299 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.120 after the first communication, I was at home alone, and 300 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:15.320 like I said, I don't live there. 301 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.320 I was at home in my own house. 302 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.759 And one of the first things that my grandmother said 303 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.320 to me on that first interaction, when when she was 304 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.759 reading our thoughts and everything, she told me that my 305 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.799 dog Luke, who had already crossed, was with me, always 306 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:32.080 with me, that he was sending his love that kind 307 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:35.440 of that was very comforting, very sweet, you know. But 308 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:38.320 I still had my reservations about is this my grandmother? 309 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.480 And so I was at home alone and about to 310 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.519 go back to my grandmother's on another day to try 311 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.639 to communicate again and see just determined just try to 312 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.840 just make sure is this my grandmother or is it 313 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:51.759 something malevolent? 314 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:53.840 And I said in. 315 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:57.200 My head to my dog who has already crossed, I 316 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.879 was like, Luke, if you're really with me, and that 317 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.679 is really Granny. Have her mentioned my necklace because I 318 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.559 wear a memorial pendit with Luke's ashes, and so I 319 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:09.720 was thinking, you know, just give me some validation that 320 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.720 this is really you, it's really her. And then so 321 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:16.639 we went to my grandmother's later that day and we 322 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.279 were just she was communicating with us and kind of everyone. 323 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.039 It was like five of us in the room, and 324 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.600 so someone would ask a question, she would answer, or 325 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.000 maybe she would type something and someone would respond, and 326 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:31.320 it was just also surreal, really, and I was just 327 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.360 caught up in the moment, not even thinking about what 328 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.799 I had said in my head before I went at all. 329 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:36.840 I was just in the moment. 330 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.120 And then she typed my name Brandy, and I said yes, 331 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.080 And then she typed the word Luke, and I'm like, 332 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.080 what about Luke? And she said he's having me mention 333 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.679 your necklace, and I almost fell out of my seat. God, 334 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.679 oh my gosh, and everybody just looked at me like, oh, 335 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.240 that's sweet. I'm like, you don't have any idea. I mean, 336 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.080 you know, they didn't know that I had, you know, 337 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.200 said that, Yeah. 338 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:04.039 Why are you not like on Fox News or CNN 339 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.599 or something. Just talking about this stuff like this is 340 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.400 pure proof that this stuff is real, right, I mean, 341 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.799 there's no way to explain this thing on the STI yeah, I. 342 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.640 Tried to explain it away. Yeah, I mean I did. 343 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.200 I tried to explain it away. 344 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:17.920 I really. 345 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.079 I was like, this has to be there's a natural, 346 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.359 reasonable explanation for this, and uh, yeah, I know. And 347 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:25.839 then in the way that we know that it is 348 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.759 my grandmother is that as we did tentatively engage with 349 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.519 with whoever it was, her love and devotion for her 350 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.119 family comes through so loud and clear. It's the reason 351 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.000 she stayed really is because of her love and devotion 352 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.720 for particular family members. She could see how certain people 353 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.640 were struggling with mental health issues. 354 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:45.400 Other people had like. 355 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.240 Destructive patterns in their lives that she was able to 356 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.079 speak into in a way that brought a lot of 357 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:51.160 healing and restoration. 358 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.039 I would say she saved lives, like literally, So that 359 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.359 was her point in staying. 360 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.599 Now, I am on this spiritual journey and I'm loaded 361 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:05.079 with philosophical theological questions, so I took the opportunity to 362 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.599 talk to her about those things and have those conversations 363 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.799 but that's not why she stayed, and she didn't offer 364 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:15.000 that information up voluntarily, I asked, right, and so. 365 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:16.759 You have to sit her down and give her nuggies 366 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.200 and say you got to give me the answer. So 367 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.400 you did. You got a lot of answers about what's 368 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:23.799 on the other side, and I want to go dive 369 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.519 into those, but I also want to talk with the 370 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.759 fact that her portal was open. So the answers that 371 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:33.480 you're getting are probably I mean, I don't know for sure, 372 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.279 but it would seem to me that it would be 373 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:39.880 answers about what she's experiencing in this time as an 374 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.599 earth bound spirit not necessarily having crossed over. How did 375 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:45.039 you discern between the two? 376 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.480 Yeah, so she's not I mean earth bound spirit. I 377 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.599 think implies stuck, you know, a level of stuckness, and 378 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.720 she is not at all stuck. So I should you know, 379 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.960 make that clear right off. She is very aware of 380 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:59.759 her you know, her situation. 381 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:01.559 She is choosing to. 382 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.880 I guess I should stay at the portal. What that 383 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.799 means is she's on the astral plane. The spirit realm 384 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.559 is highly stratified and complex, and it's out of my 385 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.799 pay grade to really understand what that is, like I 386 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.319 think we have to experience to fully understand it, you know. 387 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.519 And there are times when I ask questions and she 388 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.240 will say no, say, and that usually means that there 389 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.680 are no words. It's ineffable, and there are no words 390 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:32.200 to communicate to my finite brain what she would need 391 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:35.759 to say for me to understand. And the beyond is 392 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.960 one of those things that is it's too ineffable. But 393 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:45.039 she's not stuck, and she's able to because in spirit 394 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:50.039 we're not limited to one particular in space, time, one 395 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.000 particular location like we are in our physical bodies, and 396 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.839 so she can be with myself and like other family 397 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.759 members simultaneously like she could, you know, she can look 398 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.960 into things all over the world, if you will, and 399 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.680 see into the heart of situations and circumstances. So she's 400 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.000 not limited in the way, you know, to you know, 401 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.960