WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.000 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.120 on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog, 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.960 my dog. We're flying through the or over the tree. 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.640 I don't know how it did it. Okay, Damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.120 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.800 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.679 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:38.320 saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.960 are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling 10 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.960 around out here? Did you see what it was? Was? 11 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.200 It was standing enough. I'm out here looking through the 12 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.079 window now and I don't see anything. I don't want 13 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:04.400 to go outside. Jesus Chraice you by hello, get somebody 14 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.599 out here when I'm out there. I thought of a 15 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:09.519 bit just about TIX fort nine. I don't know easy 16 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.519 out there, Yeah, I'm right, okay. 17 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:14.760 Greetings, This is a friend Alaska. Thanks for joining me 18 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.000 today out here in Kinnick River Valley. I got Pine 19 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.959 of peakup behind me. Here. We have a special guest today. 20 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:22.560 I'll turn it over to him. 21 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.359 Hello. My name is Sonny Grant. I'm from Gino, Alaska. 22 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:31.359 I'm full clinket, born and raised in Juno. My family 23 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.959 goes back thousands of years in that area. I shared 24 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.519 two stories before. Once was on the West Glacier Trail 25 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.120 in Minhall Glacier where I had a siding back around 26 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.599 two thousand and three. I had a sighting when I 27 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.079 was very young, when I was seven on Mount Gino. 28 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.799 Also talked about Thomas Bay because I went there when 29 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.040 I was a teenager. When I was growing up, the 30 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.400 harry Man wasn't really talked about too much. I always 31 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.120 heard a lot of stories about the cannibal Giant. My grandfather, 32 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:08.639 Austin Hammond, would tell me those stories. As I got older, 33 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:14.639 I found out that the cannibal giant stories originated in Haines, 34 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.000 which is where I'm from. So I thought that was 35 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.319 very interesting. When I had that sighting on Mount Gino, 36 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.800 I was only a seven. That's when I knew about 37 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:28.639 these creatures. I lived in Geno, which is pretty urban. 38 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.960 In Haines or cake smaller villages where they knew more 39 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.080 about these creatures, I knew they were real just because 40 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.520 I saw it on the mountain and I saw a 41 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.240 walk I knew it wasn't a bear because it was 42 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.240 so big. As I grew older, I kept hearing more 43 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.719 and more stories. We started hearing stories about the little 44 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:56.199 creatures around Thomas Bay. I went to the exact location 45 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:59.280 where the things happened during that interview. 46 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.319 It was hard to make out and there's some technical 47 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.240 issues as far as recording went. Can you just walk 48 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.240 us through that portion again, because you guys were on 49 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.520 a boat if I remember right, and you guys pulled 50 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:11.080 in there. 51 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.520 Yeah, Thomas Bay is about a one day trip south 52 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.560 of Gino. It's about sixty miles in the water, so 53 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.360 it took all day to get there. In fact, we 54 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:26.000 camped somewhere, so it took more than a day. I 55 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.120 realized this was back in the early seventies. Were you 56 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:33.280 guys paddling, Yeah, we were on a twenty four foot bayliner. 57 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.280 We got the strangest story ever told, which is a 58 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:41.800 book written about the encounters there about those little people. 59 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.319 The way it was written, they were a smaller version 60 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.080 of the harry Man, hideous, smelly with stores with a 61 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:51.039 horrible stench. 62 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.199 They're like three and a half four foot at the 63 00:03:54.400 --> 00:04:00.639 colust Apparently they kind of looked like they were but 64 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.680 they only walked on their hind feet. They sometimes walked 65 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:04.680 on all four. 66 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.719 No, it wasn't there an ancient village that was wiped 67 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:08.520 out over that way. 68 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.680 Yeah, there was a village on half Moon Lake. I 69 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.199 tried finding that lake on the map, but all those 70 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.360 lakes back there are unnamed on geological maps. We anchored 71 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.800 in Thomas Bay. As you go into Thomas Bay, you 72 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.279 had the south side. We anchored up there and we 73 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.879 had a little skiff. There was like seven of us 74 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.160 on board, and it took us two trips to get 75 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.680 all of us ashore. I think one person was left 76 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.759 on the boat just to watch it. We made it ashore. 77 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.240 We started hiking right up this river, because that's where 78 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.560 the prospectors in the story said they got ashore. Once 79 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.240 they got along that little river, they hiked right up it. 80 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.360 We did the same thing, and we started going up 81 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.680 a ridge. The ridge wasn't too steep. It's kind of 82 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.920 like this. The ridge over here is all sick spruced 83 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:08.439 western amlocked red ceedar, very thick forest. It was a 84 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.639 beautiful sunny day. We started going up. We all noticed 85 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.800 that it was so quiet. Whenever you go anywhere in 86 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.959 the woods anywhere in Alaska, you'll always hear birds, animals, 87 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:26.759 sign We didn't hear anything. When we took breaks on 88 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.040 our way up that ridge, we noticed there's no mosquitoes. 89 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.959 We thought that was very strained because we had insect 90 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.199 repellent with us, and how once did we ever have 91 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.279 to use it. It felt I don't know if strange 92 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.920 as a word. We had a feeling about that area, 93 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:47.959 uneasy or unsettled, unsettled. I wasn't sure why we all 94 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.959 felt that way the night before on the boat. Because 95 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.759 we got to Thomas Bay early evening, it was too 96 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:59.040 late to do anything. We just anchored, We sat up 97 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.040 and we read that stories. Took us a couple of 98 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.480 hours go all the way up to the top. I 99 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.199 mean the ridge leveled off. In the distance we saw 100 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.480 half Moon Lake. They had been like four miles away 101 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.839 or so we knew we were in the right area. 102 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.199 We didn't go any farther. We just wanted to see 103 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.360 if we can see that lake. And once we saw it, 104 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.560 mission yeah, we started on our way back down. I 105 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.079 wish I could have camped there a couple of days, 106 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:34.319 because I supposedly if you camp and hike around Thomas Bay, 107 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.879 you'll come across sixty to eighty years worth of old 108 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:42.839 campsites like Prospector type thing. Prospector. There's a lot of 109 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.639 people that go missing in Thomas Bay. The compass's spin 110 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:51.759 and Thomas Bay. Really yeah, our compass on the boat 111 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:52.439 was spinning. 112 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:54.560 I won't have to ask one of the lay line 113 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.800 things they talk about, or some kind of magnetic anomaly. 114 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.480 Supposedly there was one mountain I had a lot of 115 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.120 high iron in it. I just knew about a lot 116 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.519 of planes seeing things up on the ridge Gino. In 117 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:11.399 the newspaper, there was a pilot on lab which is 118 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.399 airline that's no longer there anymore. They were flying south 119 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.959 of Gueno, probably going to Petersburg or something. They saw 120 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.680 a creature walking. It was definitely harry Man because the 121 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.560 pilot said it was really tall and their feet was 122 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:33.720 really spaced apart as steps. Pilot circled several times. Each 123 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.399 time he went lower, he got closer and closer to 124 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.560 the steps the tracks. He got a photograph it's in 125 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.319 the newspaper in the Guno Empire of these tracks. 126 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.519 Do you remember what year that was, because I'm sure 127 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.560 they got archives and might be able to look it up. 128 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:53.079 It could have been late sixties, early seventies, around there. 129 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.480 Because some people like to look into that stuff, not 130 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.879 for any kind of a confirmation, but to check it 131 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.439 out for themselves. So anyone out there that to like's 132 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.839 looking at the old archives and digging back in the 133 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.199 area the Juneral Empire. 134 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.240 Yeah, you might have to go to the city library 135 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:11.000 in general to look at those because it's still on 136 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.120 microfige that's not on digital yet. 137 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.000 You had mentioned before hearing about the cannibal giants when 138 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.079 he went to Haines and kick were. There's certain things 139 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.519 family members that shared with you over the years when 140 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.560 you're learning about it and first hearing about it. 141 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.439 My aunt and my cousin had stories of sasquatches coming 142 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.919 to there. We call them sasquatches in Southeast. There's a 143 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.279 clinket name. I'm just not sure the name of it, 144 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.879 besides cannibal giant. They came to the house and they 145 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.600 went underneath the house. Here's like a three four foot 146 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.240 crawl space underneath the house. I was up on pilings 147 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.080 and I heard it screwing around underneath, and every once 148 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.240 in a while it would hit the floor. I just 149 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.360 would freak everyone out. Some of the guys would have 150 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.639 to go out there and chase it away with a gun. 151 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.320 These creatures are so fast there's no way you can 152 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.159 catch up with them. I know my aunt said there 153 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.559 was sightings all the time the village's cap. It's an 154 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:15.039 old village, has been there about five hundred years, and 155 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:20.000 the same location. They seen sasquatches around the dump. We 156 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:21.759 used to go to the dump all the time just 157 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:25.320 to see bears. Over the years they would see these 158 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.559 creatures and they were really huge. I don't think they 159 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:33.240 were on the island because it's on Koupernof Island. It's 160 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:36.320 a kind of a nice size island where the village 161 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.519 is on. I don't think they're on there all the time. 162 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.480 Sasquatches are incredible swimmers. They can swim across a river 163 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.360 at no time. I know some of my family have 164 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.080 seen them swimming. Had another aunt up in Haynes who 165 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.080 saw one. She was on a gillnetter. This is between 166 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:59.559 Gino and Hanes. She went out on deck to have 167 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.720 a cigare at Lynn Canal is a very deep fjord. 168 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.679 He can go twenty feet off the beach and it's 169 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.039 already three four hundred feet deep. It drops down to 170 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.960 two thousand feet deep. She was very close to the 171 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.679 shore looking at the trees. She saw branches open up 172 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.720 and then a big face poked his head out. She 173 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.879 just couldn't believe it, said, the creatures were looking right 174 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:28.159 at her, opened a brush and a big hairy faces 175 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.679 right there. Then it closed and it disappeared. 176 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:32.240 She said. 177 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.919 She finished her cigarette and went inside. That was her 178 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.240 only sight. And she always knew about these creatures, and 179 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.639 she believed them because she heard a lot of stories 180 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:47.279 of seeing them, especially with the relatives out there hunting, 181 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.879 like up in Hanes there's moose hunting. There's a lot 182 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.480 of moose. They go up there along the Chokat River. 183 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.960 They've seen them at some point on the hunt. 184 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.879 Speaking of hands in the cake area, I know that 185 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.840 I was sent some anonymous footage where it was stabilized, 186 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.759 where this thing was reported ten foot tall, five foot wide, 187 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:12.039 black skinned, blonde haired. You can see it on the video. 188 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.120 One person commented, Oh, it's just a bear doing bear things. 189 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.159 I commented back, Oh, you must work for fishing game. 190 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.799 That's generally the same area you're talking about. 191 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.840 Yeah, the Chuca Valley is really wide. It's a pretty 192 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.799 wide river. It's not as wide as a Copper River. 193 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.919 You get down to the delta down there, and it's massive, 194 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.919 but it's still a big river. There's been a lot 195 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.879 of sightings over the years in that area. I can 196 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:40.080 just go over the cannibal giant story really quick. My grandfather, 197 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.679 Austin Hammon, they would tell these stories, said the cannibal 198 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.840 giant something that's been seen around Haynes and clockwe and 199 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:50.720 they always warned the kids not to go in the woods, 200 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.519 not to play in the woods, not to whistle. Always 201 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.080 be wary. Adult always had to be with the kids 202 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.440 when he got in the woods. Growing up in Haynes, 203 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:04.000 being with my grandparents and some of my older relatives. 204 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:06.639 When I was young, I didn't know what to think 205 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:10.000 about those stories. My grandfather told me how they would 206 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.320 capture kids. They were so fascinate'd grab one or two 207 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.679 and you couldn't catch them. They tore up in the 208 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:21.039 woods and that was the last they were ever seen. 209 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.799 Apparently they killed them and they ate them. In my 210 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:29.919 tribe a long time ago, we were real warriors. We 211 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:34.879 fought the Russians, the Spanish, the French, the British, and 212 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:36.399 the Americans. 213 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.200 Battle for sitkas where they were going to make negotiations 214 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.559 and overnight the chief was free and captain was missing. 215 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.320 Yeah, there's a lot of old stories about these creatures. 216 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.919 I want to go back to the hunting thing. And 217 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.440 Uncle I hunted with all the time on Albert Island 218 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.879 and other islands. He also hunted down on Prince of 219 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.080 Wales Island. He told me stories about Prince of Wales, 220 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:03.480 theirs sightings down there. It would be out mostly deer hunting, 221 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.519 a lot of deer in Prince of Wales. It's a 222 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.480 good place where deer hunt. Every once in a while, 223 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:15.320 you feel something in the air, something strange. Foreboden they 224 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.000 come across these piles of deer bones. It was in 225 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.960 the perfect little circular pile. When he looked at it, 226 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.320 the bones were clean, and even the larger ones were 227 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.039 split apart. Something ate to everything split the marrow on 228 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:33.159 the bone a and it figured it was the Sasquatch. 229 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.919 I did them, He says, one off, you see those 230 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:41.440 piles of bones, be very wary, be very careful. Listen. 231 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:46.559 You might not hear them, but you'll hear how nature responds, 232 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.440 how quiet it could be. He said, he was very 233 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:53.279 wary when he found two piles of bones because there's 234 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.039 no one that does that. 235 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.720 No scavengers scattered everywhere. 236 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.320 People don't do that. I had a cousin and I 237 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.159 lived on Prince of Wales Island. Once she was very young. 238 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:10.840 Her and an older relative and a friend, they knew 239 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:15.200 of a cave right off the highway or a little road. 240 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:20.440 Supposedly it was used by Sasquatches because there were always 241 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.279 sightings along the road right near there. They knew that 242 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.600 cave and they were just teenagers and they wanted to 243 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.399 go explore it. I probably would do the same thing 244 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.360 if I was their age. They went up to the 245 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.440 cave and they went in, and the cave went back 246 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.440 about one hundred feet, and they had flashlights and everything. 247 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.720 The cave had a musky order, a kind of like 248 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.399 wet dog or something. They went back there they found 249 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:51.200 a nest and the nest was about six feet diameter. 250 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.480 There was something looked like curs on the bottom, but 251 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.279 the branches are all around it set it looked like 252 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:02.200 a really big verd and as her ego nests to. 253 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.360 Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see women. Right 254 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.399 back after these messages. 255 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:16.320 It still smelled like something was just there, so they left. 256 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.360 She never saw them, but she always heard about it. 257 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.919 Cheered from family would see them. That would be something 258 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.240 to see a nest. I've never seen one. 259 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.840 I've never seen one like that. But everyone shows these 260 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.639 structures online of like cheepy looking things. I've never seeing that. 261 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:33.360 That's usually kids doing stuff. The ones I've seen are 262 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.039 woven in a way people don't do that. It's not 263 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.320 just slapped together. 264 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:42.000 Some of my family worked for Klukwan Inc. Kluckwant Ink 265 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:46.639 because a native corporation. They ran lumber company on Prince 266 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.080 of Wales Island. This had to have been in the 267 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:55.159 late eighties early nineties when I was really in full operation. 268 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:01.720 They were cutting trees in pristine wilderness. People always heard 269 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:06.320 stories about sasquatches. They started coming across the nest that 270 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.559 would get uncovered. Some of the nests look like they 271 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.679 haven't been used in a while. They all thought it 272 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.639 was very odd to find something like that in the 273 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.840 middle of the woods. They kept finding the trees upside down, 274 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.600 stuck in the dirt. Apparently you can still go to 275 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.840 Prince of Wales Island and there's some people that can 276 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.440 take you to those trees. They're really big they're like 277 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:35.759 twelve fifteen feet tall. They're almost two foot wide, but 278 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.399 they're just jammed in the ground really hard. When you 279 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.879 try to move it, you can't. It's in there. Took 280 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.000 a lot of forests to shove that into the ground. 281 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:50.039 And apparently those were markers, not just a theory, a 282 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.879 boundary or something. People said, that's the edge of their territory. 283 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.600 My family that lived on Prince of Wales, that's my 284 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.440 family on my dad's side. I went to Prince of 285 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.720 Wales Island. I was only there for a week, but 286 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.119 I didn't have a car. I think if I go 287 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.480 there again, I'm gonna have a car, take the ferry 288 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.440 over and explore because there's a lot there. 289 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.799 I may have interrupted you when you said you're from 290 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:15.759 a clan of warriors. I had spoken about the Battle 291 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.799 for Sikh and I wasn't sure if I derailed where 292 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.559 you were going with that portion of it or not. 293 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:25.559 That was about the Cannibell giant. My tribe have historically 294 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:30.240 been known as fierce warriors. And when those kids got 295 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.000 grabbed by the cannibal giants and got taken off into 296 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:39.920 the woods, ten fifteen warriors when chased them. They tracked it. 297 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.119 They went up on the side of the hill and 298 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:45.640 they went up quite a ways and they found where 299 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:50.079 the cannibal giant was living inside this cave. They said 300 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.599 they knew it was their home because they saw light 301 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.559 coming from the cave. They had a little fire, So 302 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.960 apparently passquatches back then can make a fire. 303 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.799 I've heard of one report where I think it's titled 304 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.799 stolen fire. As a matter of fact, recently, I believe 305 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.279 it was Carl Clark in Facebook. He posted a picture 306 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.599 him and his wife and kid and dog were out 307 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.720 Snake Lake, which is between doing him and electnic Gig. 308 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.119 They had situation going on. They got a picture of 309 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.279 a twelve foot paul creepy looking. It's on Facebook under 310 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:25.400 a Carl Clark if anyone wants to look that up. 311 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.359 Like you were saying, whenever you'd go back home and 312 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.200 you would just hear about it, there a whole bunch. 313 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.759 It's the same thing for me. I'll get calls from 314 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.440 the village and it's amazing and one forty five minute call. 315 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.839 The amount of information shared between a couple of natives 316 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.200 versus the outside world would boggle their mind. So was 317 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:45.920 there any other family members that have had experiences. 318 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.799 My grandfather said he saw one. He said he saw twice. 319 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.200 When I talked to my grandfather, he was already in 320 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.480 his eighties, so he was pretty old. This is all 321 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.720 on Haynes. She didn't give much detail because I was 322 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.119 asking them about it, and I told them about my 323 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:09.039 sighting up on Mountain Juno. As I've gotten older, I've 324 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:14.680 come to realize that these cannibal giants are harrymen or sasquatches, 325 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:19.200 But in the stories and Haines, there's been sightings to 326 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:24.240 them fifteen twenty foot tall, just massive. I was always 327 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.640 wary of that. I had that in my mind when 328 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.680 I was hiking around in Choka Valley, like the one 329 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.839 I saw on West Glacier Trail, I estimated to be 330 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.480 about ten twelve foot for sure, because I me and 331 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:43.000 my brother went up on that trail twenty eighteen. I 332 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.599 found the exact spot where I was standing. I saw 333 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:52.680 the tree where the sasquatches behind, and I estimated how 334 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.599 high it was. Then from there I looked at where 335 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.519 it was on the tree and then went down to 336 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.000 the ground because it was on a hail, so most 337 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.839 of the sasquatches below. That's how I estimated the height 338 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.599 and had it been twelve foot, it was huge. Same 339 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.039 thing in the Chokav Valley. The ones I've been sighted 340 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:19.119 there were just massive. It's like going way back here 341 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:24.640 where there was nothing there wild, just open country, just nature, 342 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.559 bears and whatever else is back there. It's like that 343 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:30.319 in the Chokav Valley. 344 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.720 Where we sit now. There's plenty of encounters and sightings 345 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:34.319 around here. 346 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.119 Yeah, I was thinking about that. 347 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.839 We creak up that way Friday Creeks. Metal Creeker has 348 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.720 been over the years. From what I've heard, going back 349 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:46.079 to the seventies in this area that's been discussed. 350 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.720 The hunters found where they lived and drew them out. 351 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.039 Didn't really go into detail how they did that, but 352 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.960 the cannibal giant came out. They surrounded and started attacking 353 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:03.119 this cannibal giant. Some men were hurt, but they were 354 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.599 able to bring the cannibal giant down to the ground 355 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.440 and they killed it. You think about when they did that. 356 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.720 They didn't have rifles back then. They were using most 357 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:18.000 likely spears. The Athabaskans are known to kill a big 358 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:23.000 charging bear by letting them charge and let the bear 359 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.440 and pale themself on a big spear. 360 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.000 That's just my guess that takes big brass ones message. 361 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.880 Anyway, they killed it, and according to the story, it 362 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.599 spoke and it says I'm always going to be around. 363 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:40.599 In fact, that was the origin of the mosquitoes because 364 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.680 they burned them. They didn't know what to do with it. 365 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.480 They cut it up and they put it in the 366 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.359 fire and they burned it. It's just really curious about 367 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.759 all those other stories that talks about them doing the 368 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.559 same thing. They didn't know how to dispose of this 369 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:59.559 creature because it's so big. 370 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.680 I promised the elder. When he was talking about the 371 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.480 one they burned up Copper River Valley somewhere, he said 372 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.440 that it was intact when they were burning it, and 373 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.279 as it heated up, there was noises being made with 374 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.759 the lungs and the heat. The way he described it, 375 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.519 though I think he was mostly clinking in part, heida, 376 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.519 if I remember correctly. He since passed away, but he 377 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.759 was ninety four when he shared those experiences. Wow, it 378 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:25.119 was really hard to interview them because he's from that 379 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:28.680 old school where you'd be quiet and listen, you know 380 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.759 what I mean. It's hard to question anything because that 381 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.160 old school kind of. Oh yeah, but yeah, very interesting guy. 382 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.319 The way he talked about that thing making the noises 383 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.920 when they burned it, Oh good god, I could only imagine. 384 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:41.720 You said, that's where the mosquitoes came from. 385 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:44.480 They burned it and the ashes that flirted up in 386 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:49.039 the air turned into mosquitoes. That's a very old story. 387 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.200 No one knows how old this is. This story was 388 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:57.160 first recorded, probably eighteen hundreds. 389 00:22:57.279 --> 00:22:58.480 When it was first recorded. 390 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:01.359 Yeah, I don't know if it was Asian Orthodox priest. 391 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.000 It was a priest of some sort who wrote down the. 392 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.480 Stories, kind of like the old school missionaries. 393 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.559 Yeah. Yeah, But the person who told the stories back 394 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:15.000 then said, these stories are very old. My grandfather told 395 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:19.039 me other cannibal giant stories were they were able to 396 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:23.039 kill them. I think they remember who the bad people are. 397 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.519 They cause harm to a hairy man. The other hairy 398 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:28.200 man know about it. 399 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.200 It's kind of curious, and they don't have meetings, will 400 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.160 be like, oh that's some bit Fred shot earl up 401 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:32.880