Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the or over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it. Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was? Was?
Speaker 1: It was standing enough. I'm out here looking through the
Speaker 1: window now and I don't see anything. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go outside. Jesus Chraice you by hello, get somebody
Speaker 1: out here when I'm out there. I thought of a
Speaker 1: bit just about TIX fort nine. I don't know easy
Speaker 1: out there, Yeah, I'm right, okay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, This is a friend Alaska. Thanks for joining me
Speaker 2: today out here in Kinnick River Valley. I got Pine
Speaker 2: of peakup behind me. Here. We have a special guest today.
Speaker 2: I'll turn it over to him.
Speaker 3: Hello. My name is Sonny Grant. I'm from Gino, Alaska.
Speaker 3: I'm full clinket, born and raised in Juno. My family
Speaker 3: goes back thousands of years in that area. I shared
Speaker 3: two stories before. Once was on the West Glacier Trail
Speaker 3: in Minhall Glacier where I had a siding back around
Speaker 3: two thousand and three. I had a sighting when I
Speaker 3: was very young, when I was seven on Mount Gino.
Speaker 3: Also talked about Thomas Bay because I went there when
Speaker 3: I was a teenager. When I was growing up, the
Speaker 3: harry Man wasn't really talked about too much. I always
Speaker 3: heard a lot of stories about the cannibal Giant. My grandfather,
Speaker 3: Austin Hammond, would tell me those stories. As I got older,
Speaker 3: I found out that the cannibal giant stories originated in Haines,
Speaker 3: which is where I'm from. So I thought that was
Speaker 3: very interesting. When I had that sighting on Mount Gino,
Speaker 3: I was only a seven. That's when I knew about
Speaker 3: these creatures. I lived in Geno, which is pretty urban.
Speaker 3: In Haines or cake smaller villages where they knew more
Speaker 3: about these creatures, I knew they were real just because
Speaker 3: I saw it on the mountain and I saw a
Speaker 3: walk I knew it wasn't a bear because it was
Speaker 3: so big. As I grew older, I kept hearing more
Speaker 3: and more stories. We started hearing stories about the little
Speaker 3: creatures around Thomas Bay. I went to the exact location
Speaker 3: where the things happened during that interview.
Speaker 2: It was hard to make out and there's some technical
Speaker 2: issues as far as recording went. Can you just walk
Speaker 2: us through that portion again, because you guys were on
Speaker 2: a boat if I remember right, and you guys pulled
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas Bay is about a one day trip south
Speaker 3: of Gino. It's about sixty miles in the water, so
Speaker 3: it took all day to get there. In fact, we
Speaker 3: camped somewhere, so it took more than a day. I
Speaker 3: realized this was back in the early seventies. Were you
Speaker 3: guys paddling, Yeah, we were on a twenty four foot bayliner.
Speaker 3: We got the strangest story ever told, which is a
Speaker 3: book written about the encounters there about those little people.
Speaker 2: The way it was written, they were a smaller version
Speaker 2: of the harry Man, hideous, smelly with stores with a
Speaker 2: horrible stench.
Speaker 3: They're like three and a half four foot at the
Speaker 3: colust Apparently they kind of looked like they were but
Speaker 3: they only walked on their hind feet. They sometimes walked
Speaker 3: on all four.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't there an ancient village that was wiped
Speaker 2: out over that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a village on half Moon Lake. I
Speaker 3: tried finding that lake on the map, but all those
Speaker 3: lakes back there are unnamed on geological maps. We anchored
Speaker 3: in Thomas Bay. As you go into Thomas Bay, you
Speaker 3: had the south side. We anchored up there and we
Speaker 3: had a little skiff. There was like seven of us
Speaker 3: on board, and it took us two trips to get
Speaker 3: all of us ashore. I think one person was left
Speaker 3: on the boat just to watch it. We made it ashore.
Speaker 3: We started hiking right up this river, because that's where
Speaker 3: the prospectors in the story said they got ashore. Once
Speaker 3: they got along that little river, they hiked right up it.
Speaker 3: We did the same thing, and we started going up
Speaker 3: a ridge. The ridge wasn't too steep. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like this. The ridge over here is all sick spruced
Speaker 3: western amlocked red ceedar, very thick forest. It was a
Speaker 3: beautiful sunny day. We started going up. We all noticed
Speaker 3: that it was so quiet. Whenever you go anywhere in
Speaker 3: the woods anywhere in Alaska, you'll always hear birds, animals,
Speaker 3: sign We didn't hear anything. When we took breaks on
Speaker 3: our way up that ridge, we noticed there's no mosquitoes.
Speaker 3: We thought that was very strained because we had insect
Speaker 3: repellent with us, and how once did we ever have
Speaker 3: to use it. It felt I don't know if strange
Speaker 3: as a word. We had a feeling about that area,
Speaker 3: uneasy or unsettled, unsettled. I wasn't sure why we all
Speaker 3: felt that way the night before on the boat. Because
Speaker 3: we got to Thomas Bay early evening, it was too
Speaker 3: late to do anything. We just anchored, We sat up
Speaker 3: and we read that stories. Took us a couple of
Speaker 3: hours go all the way up to the top. I
Speaker 3: mean the ridge leveled off. In the distance we saw
Speaker 3: half Moon Lake. They had been like four miles away
Speaker 3: or so we knew we were in the right area.
Speaker 3: We didn't go any farther. We just wanted to see
Speaker 3: if we can see that lake. And once we saw it,
Speaker 3: mission yeah, we started on our way back down. I
Speaker 3: wish I could have camped there a couple of days,
Speaker 3: because I supposedly if you camp and hike around Thomas Bay,
Speaker 3: you'll come across sixty to eighty years worth of old
Speaker 3: campsites like Prospector type thing. Prospector. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: people that go missing in Thomas Bay. The compass's spin
Speaker 3: and Thomas Bay. Really yeah, our compass on the boat
Speaker 3: was spinning.
Speaker 2: I won't have to ask one of the lay line
Speaker 2: things they talk about, or some kind of magnetic anomaly.
Speaker 3: Supposedly there was one mountain I had a lot of
Speaker 3: high iron in it. I just knew about a lot
Speaker 3: of planes seeing things up on the ridge Gino. In
Speaker 3: the newspaper, there was a pilot on lab which is
Speaker 3: airline that's no longer there anymore. They were flying south
Speaker 3: of Gueno, probably going to Petersburg or something. They saw
Speaker 3: a creature walking. It was definitely harry Man because the
Speaker 3: pilot said it was really tall and their feet was
Speaker 3: really spaced apart as steps. Pilot circled several times. Each
Speaker 3: time he went lower, he got closer and closer to
Speaker 3: the steps the tracks. He got a photograph it's in
Speaker 3: the newspaper in the Guno Empire of these tracks.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what year that was, because I'm sure
Speaker 2: they got archives and might be able to look it up.
Speaker 3: It could have been late sixties, early seventies, around there.
Speaker 2: Because some people like to look into that stuff, not
Speaker 2: for any kind of a confirmation, but to check it
Speaker 2: out for themselves. So anyone out there that to like's
Speaker 2: looking at the old archives and digging back in the
Speaker 2: area the Juneral Empire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have to go to the city library
Speaker 3: in general to look at those because it's still on
Speaker 3: microfige that's not on digital yet.
Speaker 2: You had mentioned before hearing about the cannibal giants when
Speaker 2: he went to Haines and kick were. There's certain things
Speaker 2: family members that shared with you over the years when
Speaker 2: you're learning about it and first hearing about it.
Speaker 3: My aunt and my cousin had stories of sasquatches coming
Speaker 3: to there. We call them sasquatches in Southeast. There's a
Speaker 3: clinket name. I'm just not sure the name of it,
Speaker 3: besides cannibal giant. They came to the house and they
Speaker 3: went underneath the house. Here's like a three four foot
Speaker 3: crawl space underneath the house. I was up on pilings
Speaker 3: and I heard it screwing around underneath, and every once
Speaker 3: in a while it would hit the floor. I just
Speaker 3: would freak everyone out. Some of the guys would have
Speaker 3: to go out there and chase it away with a gun.
Speaker 3: These creatures are so fast there's no way you can
Speaker 3: catch up with them. I know my aunt said there
Speaker 3: was sightings all the time the village's cap. It's an
Speaker 3: old village, has been there about five hundred years, and
Speaker 3: the same location. They seen sasquatches around the dump. We
Speaker 3: used to go to the dump all the time just
Speaker 3: to see bears. Over the years they would see these
Speaker 3: creatures and they were really huge. I don't think they
Speaker 3: were on the island because it's on Koupernof Island. It's
Speaker 3: a kind of a nice size island where the village
Speaker 3: is on. I don't think they're on there all the time.
Speaker 3: Sasquatches are incredible swimmers. They can swim across a river
Speaker 3: at no time. I know some of my family have
Speaker 3: seen them swimming. Had another aunt up in Haynes who
Speaker 3: saw one. She was on a gillnetter. This is between
Speaker 3: Gino and Hanes. She went out on deck to have
Speaker 3: a cigare at Lynn Canal is a very deep fjord.
Speaker 3: He can go twenty feet off the beach and it's
Speaker 3: already three four hundred feet deep. It drops down to
Speaker 3: two thousand feet deep. She was very close to the
Speaker 3: shore looking at the trees. She saw branches open up
Speaker 3: and then a big face poked his head out. She
Speaker 3: just couldn't believe it, said, the creatures were looking right
Speaker 3: at her, opened a brush and a big hairy faces
Speaker 3: right there. Then it closed and it disappeared.
Speaker 2: She said.
Speaker 3: She finished her cigarette and went inside. That was her
Speaker 3: only sight. And she always knew about these creatures, and
Speaker 3: she believed them because she heard a lot of stories
Speaker 3: of seeing them, especially with the relatives out there hunting,
Speaker 3: like up in Hanes there's moose hunting. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of moose. They go up there along the Chokat River.
Speaker 3: They've seen them at some point on the hunt.
Speaker 2: Speaking of hands in the cake area, I know that
Speaker 2: I was sent some anonymous footage where it was stabilized,
Speaker 2: where this thing was reported ten foot tall, five foot wide,
Speaker 2: black skinned, blonde haired. You can see it on the video.
Speaker 2: One person commented, Oh, it's just a bear doing bear things.
Speaker 2: I commented back, Oh, you must work for fishing game.
Speaker 2: That's generally the same area you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chuca Valley is really wide. It's a pretty
Speaker 3: wide river. It's not as wide as a Copper River.
Speaker 3: You get down to the delta down there, and it's massive,
Speaker 3: but it's still a big river. There's been a lot
Speaker 3: of sightings over the years in that area. I can
Speaker 3: just go over the cannibal giant story really quick. My grandfather,
Speaker 3: Austin Hammon, they would tell these stories, said the cannibal
Speaker 3: giant something that's been seen around Haynes and clockwe and
Speaker 3: they always warned the kids not to go in the woods,
Speaker 3: not to play in the woods, not to whistle. Always
Speaker 3: be wary. Adult always had to be with the kids
Speaker 3: when he got in the woods. Growing up in Haynes,
Speaker 3: being with my grandparents and some of my older relatives.
Speaker 3: When I was young, I didn't know what to think
Speaker 3: about those stories. My grandfather told me how they would
Speaker 3: capture kids. They were so fascinate'd grab one or two
Speaker 3: and you couldn't catch them. They tore up in the
Speaker 3: woods and that was the last they were ever seen.
Speaker 3: Apparently they killed them and they ate them. In my
Speaker 3: tribe a long time ago, we were real warriors. We
Speaker 3: fought the Russians, the Spanish, the French, the British, and
Speaker 3: the Americans.
Speaker 2: Battle for sitkas where they were going to make negotiations
Speaker 2: and overnight the chief was free and captain was missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of old stories about these creatures.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to the hunting thing. And
Speaker 3: Uncle I hunted with all the time on Albert Island
Speaker 3: and other islands. He also hunted down on Prince of
Speaker 3: Wales Island. He told me stories about Prince of Wales,
Speaker 3: theirs sightings down there. It would be out mostly deer hunting,
Speaker 3: a lot of deer in Prince of Wales. It's a
Speaker 3: good place where deer hunt. Every once in a while,
Speaker 3: you feel something in the air, something strange. Foreboden they
Speaker 3: come across these piles of deer bones. It was in
Speaker 3: the perfect little circular pile. When he looked at it,
Speaker 3: the bones were clean, and even the larger ones were
Speaker 3: split apart. Something ate to everything split the marrow on
Speaker 3: the bone a and it figured it was the Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: I did them, He says, one off, you see those
Speaker 3: piles of bones, be very wary, be very careful. Listen.
Speaker 3: You might not hear them, but you'll hear how nature responds,
Speaker 3: how quiet it could be. He said, he was very
Speaker 3: wary when he found two piles of bones because there's
Speaker 3: no one that does that.
Speaker 2: No scavengers scattered everywhere.
Speaker 3: People don't do that. I had a cousin and I
Speaker 3: lived on Prince of Wales Island. Once she was very young.
Speaker 3: Her and an older relative and a friend, they knew
Speaker 3: of a cave right off the highway or a little road.
Speaker 3: Supposedly it was used by Sasquatches because there were always
Speaker 3: sightings along the road right near there. They knew that
Speaker 3: cave and they were just teenagers and they wanted to
Speaker 3: go explore it. I probably would do the same thing
Speaker 3: if I was their age. They went up to the
Speaker 3: cave and they went in, and the cave went back
Speaker 3: about one hundred feet, and they had flashlights and everything.
Speaker 3: The cave had a musky order, a kind of like
Speaker 3: wet dog or something. They went back there they found
Speaker 3: a nest and the nest was about six feet diameter.
Speaker 3: There was something looked like curs on the bottom, but
Speaker 3: the branches are all around it set it looked like
Speaker 3: a really big verd and as her ego nests to.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see women. Right
Speaker 2: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: It still smelled like something was just there, so they left.
Speaker 3: She never saw them, but she always heard about it.
Speaker 3: Cheered from family would see them. That would be something
Speaker 3: to see a nest. I've never seen one.
Speaker 2: I've never seen one like that. But everyone shows these
Speaker 2: structures online of like cheepy looking things. I've never seeing that.
Speaker 2: That's usually kids doing stuff. The ones I've seen are
Speaker 2: woven in a way people don't do that. It's not
Speaker 2: just slapped together.
Speaker 3: Some of my family worked for Klukwan Inc. Kluckwant Ink
Speaker 3: because a native corporation. They ran lumber company on Prince
Speaker 3: of Wales Island. This had to have been in the
Speaker 3: late eighties early nineties when I was really in full operation.
Speaker 3: They were cutting trees in pristine wilderness. People always heard
Speaker 3: stories about sasquatches. They started coming across the nest that
Speaker 3: would get uncovered. Some of the nests look like they
Speaker 3: haven't been used in a while. They all thought it
Speaker 3: was very odd to find something like that in the
Speaker 3: middle of the woods. They kept finding the trees upside down,
Speaker 3: stuck in the dirt. Apparently you can still go to
Speaker 3: Prince of Wales Island and there's some people that can
Speaker 3: take you to those trees. They're really big they're like
Speaker 3: twelve fifteen feet tall. They're almost two foot wide, but
Speaker 3: they're just jammed in the ground really hard. When you
Speaker 3: try to move it, you can't. It's in there. Took
Speaker 3: a lot of forests to shove that into the ground.
Speaker 3: And apparently those were markers, not just a theory, a
Speaker 3: boundary or something. People said, that's the edge of their territory.
Speaker 3: My family that lived on Prince of Wales, that's my
Speaker 3: family on my dad's side. I went to Prince of
Speaker 3: Wales Island. I was only there for a week, but
Speaker 3: I didn't have a car. I think if I go
Speaker 3: there again, I'm gonna have a car, take the ferry
Speaker 3: over and explore because there's a lot there.
Speaker 2: I may have interrupted you when you said you're from
Speaker 2: a clan of warriors. I had spoken about the Battle
Speaker 2: for Sikh and I wasn't sure if I derailed where
Speaker 2: you were going with that portion of it or not.
Speaker 3: That was about the Cannibell giant. My tribe have historically
Speaker 3: been known as fierce warriors. And when those kids got
Speaker 3: grabbed by the cannibal giants and got taken off into
Speaker 3: the woods, ten fifteen warriors when chased them. They tracked it.
Speaker 3: They went up on the side of the hill and
Speaker 3: they went up quite a ways and they found where
Speaker 3: the cannibal giant was living inside this cave. They said
Speaker 3: they knew it was their home because they saw light
Speaker 3: coming from the cave. They had a little fire, So
Speaker 3: apparently passquatches back then can make a fire.
Speaker 2: I've heard of one report where I think it's titled
Speaker 2: stolen fire. As a matter of fact, recently, I believe
Speaker 2: it was Carl Clark in Facebook. He posted a picture
Speaker 2: him and his wife and kid and dog were out
Speaker 2: Snake Lake, which is between doing him and electnic Gig.
Speaker 2: They had situation going on. They got a picture of
Speaker 2: a twelve foot paul creepy looking. It's on Facebook under
Speaker 2: a Carl Clark if anyone wants to look that up.
Speaker 2: Like you were saying, whenever you'd go back home and
Speaker 2: you would just hear about it, there a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing for me. I'll get calls from
Speaker 2: the village and it's amazing and one forty five minute call.
Speaker 2: The amount of information shared between a couple of natives
Speaker 2: versus the outside world would boggle their mind. So was
Speaker 2: there any other family members that have had experiences.
Speaker 3: My grandfather said he saw one. He said he saw twice.
Speaker 3: When I talked to my grandfather, he was already in
Speaker 3: his eighties, so he was pretty old. This is all
Speaker 3: on Haynes. She didn't give much detail because I was
Speaker 3: asking them about it, and I told them about my
Speaker 3: sighting up on Mountain Juno. As I've gotten older, I've
Speaker 3: come to realize that these cannibal giants are harrymen or sasquatches,
Speaker 3: But in the stories and Haines, there's been sightings to
Speaker 3: them fifteen twenty foot tall, just massive. I was always
Speaker 3: wary of that. I had that in my mind when
Speaker 3: I was hiking around in Choka Valley, like the one
Speaker 3: I saw on West Glacier Trail, I estimated to be
Speaker 3: about ten twelve foot for sure, because I me and
Speaker 3: my brother went up on that trail twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 3: found the exact spot where I was standing. I saw
Speaker 3: the tree where the sasquatches behind, and I estimated how
Speaker 3: high it was. Then from there I looked at where
Speaker 3: it was on the tree and then went down to
Speaker 3: the ground because it was on a hail, so most
Speaker 3: of the sasquatches below. That's how I estimated the height
Speaker 3: and had it been twelve foot, it was huge. Same
Speaker 3: thing in the Chokav Valley. The ones I've been sighted
Speaker 3: there were just massive. It's like going way back here
Speaker 3: where there was nothing there wild, just open country, just nature,
Speaker 3: bears and whatever else is back there. It's like that
Speaker 3: in the Chokav Valley.
Speaker 2: Where we sit now. There's plenty of encounters and sightings
Speaker 2: around here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2: We creak up that way Friday Creeks. Metal Creeker has
Speaker 2: been over the years. From what I've heard, going back
Speaker 2: to the seventies in this area that's been discussed.
Speaker 3: The hunters found where they lived and drew them out.
Speaker 3: Didn't really go into detail how they did that, but
Speaker 3: the cannibal giant came out. They surrounded and started attacking
Speaker 3: this cannibal giant. Some men were hurt, but they were
Speaker 3: able to bring the cannibal giant down to the ground
Speaker 3: and they killed it. You think about when they did that.
Speaker 3: They didn't have rifles back then. They were using most
Speaker 3: likely spears. The Athabaskans are known to kill a big
Speaker 3: charging bear by letting them charge and let the bear
Speaker 3: and pale themself on a big spear.
Speaker 2: That's just my guess that takes big brass ones message.
Speaker 3: Anyway, they killed it, and according to the story, it
Speaker 3: spoke and it says I'm always going to be around.
Speaker 3: In fact, that was the origin of the mosquitoes because
Speaker 3: they burned them. They didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 3: They cut it up and they put it in the
Speaker 3: fire and they burned it. It's just really curious about
Speaker 3: all those other stories that talks about them doing the
Speaker 3: same thing. They didn't know how to dispose of this
Speaker 3: creature because it's so big.
Speaker 2: I promised the elder. When he was talking about the
Speaker 2: one they burned up Copper River Valley somewhere, he said
Speaker 2: that it was intact when they were burning it, and
Speaker 2: as it heated up, there was noises being made with
Speaker 2: the lungs and the heat. The way he described it,
Speaker 2: though I think he was mostly clinking in part, heida,
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. He since passed away, but he
Speaker 2: was ninety four when he shared those experiences. Wow, it
Speaker 2: was really hard to interview them because he's from that
Speaker 2: old school where you'd be quiet and listen, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's hard to question anything because that
Speaker 2: old school kind of. Oh yeah, but yeah, very interesting guy.
Speaker 2: The way he talked about that thing making the noises
Speaker 2: when they burned it, Oh good god, I could only imagine.
Speaker 2: You said, that's where the mosquitoes came from.
Speaker 3: They burned it and the ashes that flirted up in
Speaker 3: the air turned into mosquitoes. That's a very old story.
Speaker 3: No one knows how old this is. This story was
Speaker 3: first recorded, probably eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: When it was first recorded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it was Asian Orthodox priest.
Speaker 3: It was a priest of some sort who wrote down the.
Speaker 2: Stories, kind of like the old school missionaries.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But the person who told the stories back
Speaker 3: then said, these stories are very old. My grandfather told
Speaker 3: me other cannibal giant stories were they were able to
Speaker 3: kill them. I think they remember who the bad people are.
Speaker 3: They cause harm to a hairy man. The other hairy
Speaker 3: man know about it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of curious, and they don't have meetings, will
Speaker 2: be like, oh that's some bit Fred shot earl up
Speaker 2: on the New York KUK.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of makes you wonder. But then again, there's
Speaker 2: that study with the wolves up in Dennalei where a
Speaker 2: lesser pack and a larger pack. They were collared in
Speaker 2: each of the groups, and the larger group was sixty
Speaker 2: miles from its boundary areas territorial area sixty miles away,
Speaker 2: and the lesser pack crossed that boundary and within two minutes,
Speaker 2: according to radio tracking caller, that larger pack was on
Speaker 2: its way back to Interceeds. And that amazing from sixty
Speaker 2: miles away. Wow, kind of makes you wonder how they
Speaker 2: read the energy or how that comes about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking back to the sighting I had
Speaker 3: on a west glacier trail and Gino where those two
Speaker 3: there was running up the hail towards me and it
Speaker 3: surrounded me. Had a little light on my sony camp quarter.
Speaker 3: I already was filming for a couple hours on a glacier,
Speaker 3: so my lamp was very dim. I was thinking maybe
Speaker 3: those sasquatches saw me, notice that I was clinking. Leave
Speaker 3: this guy alone.
Speaker 2: They're probably telling stories about your drive around their campfire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because apparently they caught several up in the Haynes area.
Speaker 3: You know where the cannibal giant story originated. Because those
Speaker 3: cannibal giants they were all captured and killed. I know
Speaker 3: there's been sightings of them on the Haines Highway. You're
Speaker 3: going up and you go through the border and you're
Speaker 3: in Bridge, Columbia. But just above, near the top is
Speaker 3: the summit of the road. It's thirty five hundred feet
Speaker 3: up and then it slowly starts going downhill a little
Speaker 3: bit as you go towards Ane's Junction. There's been a
Speaker 3: lot of sightings along that route. People would pull over.
Speaker 3: There's a turnout like this one siding I have heard of.
Speaker 3: There's a guy he took a break and was drinking
Speaker 3: coffee or something. He noticed those three creatures up on
Speaker 3: the ridge, the ridge above the highway. It's not that high,
Speaker 3: it's only forty feet. It's pretty open, and Barren went swept.
Speaker 3: It was this little ridge and he saw three figures
Speaker 3: walking and they walked down and one came closer and
Speaker 3: he realized what it was because at first he was
Speaker 3: thinking in my seeing things, But when it got close
Speaker 3: he realized it was a hairy man. It was a sasquatch,
Speaker 3: something that he's always heard of, but he never seen one.
Speaker 3: It just stay there for fifteen minutes. He doesn't know
Speaker 3: what it was doing. He didn't want to leave. He
Speaker 3: was in this truck. He felt safe if he had
Speaker 3: a firearm or rifle in the truck with him. He
Speaker 3: just wanted to watch it. Alaskans, we can carry firearms
Speaker 3: only transit through Canada, as long as you get all
Speaker 3: the paperwork. If you're going to go ont in the
Speaker 3: interior and you leave from Haynes and you go through Canada,
Speaker 3: you have to have your bulk somewhere else, your rifle
Speaker 3: somewhere else, and your ammal somewhere else, not.
Speaker 2: All together and not all together. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are recent sightings, probably the last ten years
Speaker 3: that I've heard of people seeing things up there. I
Speaker 3: have a family. It's half clinket in half I think
Speaker 3: Northern tishone. I'm not sure it's one of those groups
Speaker 3: up in the Yukon.
Speaker 2: There's what the Tashoni are in Glitchin, right, there's another one.
Speaker 3: They're different from Gwitchin, but they're very similar. I made
Speaker 3: that mistake because oh, you're pert Gucchin. Oh No. I
Speaker 3: had a friend who saw one sheep mount up near
Speaker 3: Kilwawnee Lake. There was a real distant relative. I think
Speaker 3: we had one relative and common so I knew he
Speaker 3: was a very distant relative. He told me a story
Speaker 3: that he was operating a Greater up in the Yukon.
Speaker 3: We used to make fun of the Canadians how long
Speaker 3: it took them to do any kind of road construction,
Speaker 3: because we passed many times going to Anchorage from.
Speaker 2: Haines, Sa.
Speaker 3: Man. They've been working on this stretcher road for ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a half mile stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like six seven miles when they were done.
Speaker 3: It was the finest road you would ever see. None
Speaker 3: of us could match how beautiful the road was. He
Speaker 3: was operating a Greater. Sheep Mountains, a pretty big mountain.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what the elevation is, but it's definitely
Speaker 3: at least two thousand feet above. And it's called Sheep
Speaker 3: Mountain because myself, I've seen as many as forty to
Speaker 3: fifty mountain goats up there. When I was passing through
Speaker 3: there a week and a half ago, I didn't see
Speaker 3: any mountain goats up on the mountain. He was operating
Speaker 3: a grater and he upened a glance up on the
Speaker 3: mountain and saw all these white specs running down the mountain.
Speaker 3: He had a sliding window right in his cab and
Speaker 3: he stuck his head out to get a better look.
Speaker 3: It was mountain goats running down the mountain. Then he
Speaker 3: noticed a black speck right behind it, and I said
Speaker 3: it was pretty big. He knew what it was. It
Speaker 3: was a hairy man running down after these mountain goats.
Speaker 3: It caught up to one mountain goat and grabbed it
Speaker 3: and did something. He's a good mile away, but he
Speaker 3: obviously killed the mountain goat, which is really quick. It
Speaker 3: was chasing another mountain goat while he's still carrying his
Speaker 3: wand mountain goat, and he caught it, probably snapped his
Speaker 3: neck when he had two of them. Then a stopper.
Speaker 3: I just started walking to the left carrying two bound goats.
Speaker 3: That would have been something to see. I have a
Speaker 3: good friend named Ben. We went deer hunting a lot
Speaker 3: on Almalty Island, which is a big, huge coastal brown bears.
Speaker 3: It's a very thick brush and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: I turned around and there's a massive bear was ahead,
Speaker 3: this big. We're just looking at each other and we
Speaker 3: just turned around and the left. It just reminds me
Speaker 3: of that area. Those bears are really huge. Stewart and
Speaker 3: Hyder which is under border British Columbia and Alaska. There's
Speaker 3: a well known story that happened there. I haven't been there,
Speaker 3: but apparently there's a walkway that goes along this little
Speaker 3: creek that's full of salmon. When you walk there in
Speaker 3: the late summer, you'll see bears down there eating salmon.
Speaker 3: This one time, it was a big brown bear eating salmon,
Speaker 3: and a sasquatch came out, grabbed one of the the
Speaker 3: brown bears, snapped his neck and carried the bear into
Speaker 3: the woods. You know, big brown bears.
Speaker 2: Are coastal brownies eating salmon, getting massive. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: massive to snap his neck and just toted it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the place I want to stop at
Speaker 3: on my way down south real soon. I'm going to
Speaker 3: go to the same place.
Speaker 2: They give any reference on where it happened or was
Speaker 2: this somewhere along that path there.
Speaker 3: That happened right along the boardwalks. Have you been there?
Speaker 2: I haven't, but they got similar stuff around yeah over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shouldn't be too hard to find. Other than that,
Speaker 3: there's a family that heard them screaming in the woods.
Speaker 3: While they're a gill netting, because a lot of the
Speaker 3: sightings I know from my family were gillnetters. Do you
Speaker 3: make a set, your net is a good five six
Speaker 3: hundred feet long, and you go out. You let a
Speaker 3: float for four hours. Some people would let a float
Speaker 3: for five six hours. Even if you see a lot
Speaker 3: of action out there, if parts of your corks are
Speaker 3: bobbing up and down, you got some If you see
Speaker 3: that happen a lot, you've got some salmon. And you
Speaker 3: haul the net and gillnetter's fish all hours, NonStop. Many
Speaker 3: times in Southeast they'll be anchored somewhere. I would hear
Speaker 3: some yelling going on from shore. You're very close to
Speaker 3: the beach. You hear something roaring. I said, man, that's
Speaker 3: no bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get your attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the news something was out there. They all knew
Speaker 3: most likely it was a sasquatch. Is at the length
Speaker 3: of the roar and how loud it was, they knew
Speaker 3: it wasn't a bear or a wolf.
Speaker 2: You had mentioned the canoe building. When you're down southeast,
Speaker 2: you mind us speaking a little bit about that part
Speaker 2: of your culture.
Speaker 3: I have a couple uncles who were well known carvers.
Speaker 3: One was Leo Jacobs. He was my great uncle. He
Speaker 3: was a very well known totem pole carver. He did
Speaker 3: a lot of really big project He did a couple
Speaker 3: of the totems around the Seattle Center. He sometimes will
Speaker 3: see those totems, like during a Seahawks game. If it's
Speaker 3: a well known game like Monday Night Football or something,
Speaker 3: they might show a scene of the totem pole and
Speaker 3: then right behind it you'll see the space needle all
Speaker 3: that up. So I always see it on TV all
Speaker 3: the time, and I knew my uncle Leo did that.
Speaker 3: I have another uncle. He's related to my grandfather, Austin Hammond.
Speaker 3: He's the same clan, Sokkei clan. His name is Nathan Jackson,
Speaker 3: and he's probably the top well known wood carver that's
Speaker 3: alive today. There's a lot of carvers in Southeast who
Speaker 3: are well known now, but a lot of them have
Speaker 3: apprenticed under Nathan. He has to be in his nineties.
Speaker 3: He's still carving, still carving. Yeah. I'm an artist too,
Speaker 3: and I'll carve until I croak.
Speaker 2: That's what they'll find you at your work table.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had just one artist who I apprentice under
Speaker 3: he had been in his early eighties, and this is
Speaker 3: quite a few years ago. He was still doing the
Speaker 3: most beautiful work he ever seen. I have a friend
Speaker 3: named Doug Child, and he started carving canoes. We started
Speaker 3: a canoe society in Juno because we would have canoe races,
Speaker 3: and these are hand carved canoes. A lot of the
Speaker 3: canoes are like twenty twenty five foot long and carved
Speaker 3: out of red ceedar. In our tribe, Doug was always
Speaker 3: able to secure a log for us. He just had
Speaker 3: a way of talking to the elders and see Alaska
Speaker 3: or something, and next thing we know, we had a
Speaker 3: log and we started carving canoes for our canoe society.
Speaker 3: Doug Chiltern was the president of the canoe society. We
Speaker 3: went down south to Haida and all the way down
Speaker 3: to Vancouver Island. We met other tribes. Our canoe group,
Speaker 3: we were all clinket. We went all the way down
Speaker 3: there and we started hearing stories about Sasquatches, which really
Speaker 3: interest us. Every night when we got ashore and after dinner,
Speaker 3: we'd be sitting around the campfire. Some groups around the
Speaker 3: camp there's many campfires because there's four or five canoe
Speaker 3: groups so there might be eight canoes. So there's many
Speaker 3: little campfires on shore. I was always on around the
Speaker 3: campfire where we were talking about Sasquatch. Right, there's other
Speaker 3: drumming groups here and there and other people, but I
Speaker 3: was always with the Sasquatch group talking about our encounters.
Speaker 3: They all told us they don't allow children or women
Speaker 3: to go into the woods by themselves. I remember thinking
Speaker 3: that's very interesting. It's similar with how it is in
Speaker 3: southeast Alaska.
Speaker 2: Where I'm from. We're always told they'll scary and ichi.
Speaker 3: Every night we heard different stories. And as we went
Speaker 3: down south from Port Hardy on the east coast of
Speaker 3: Vancouver Island all the way to Victoria, we kept hearing
Speaker 3: more and more Sasquatch stories because our group was getting big.
Speaker 3: When we first left Port Hardy, it was only four canoes,
Speaker 3: but by the time we got to a midway down
Speaker 3: there was about twenty of us. Twenty canoes, same style
Speaker 3: of canoes, yeah, all hand carved. Some canoes were really large.
Speaker 3: Our group became really good friends with Frank Nelson, who
Speaker 3: is considered the father of tribal journeys. He's passed on,
Speaker 3: but his canoe is a Juni disease. I know, I'm
Speaker 3: probably not pronouncing it fully correctly. It's a female Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: It's named after. He told me a lot of stories
Speaker 3: on his end, which is very similar to what I had.
Speaker 3: We had similar rules about when you're in the woods.
Speaker 3: In fact, some of the native dancers would wear a
Speaker 3: Sasquatch mask. The mask were all handcarved. They would dance.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was called junic disease, because
Speaker 3: I don't know their language as well. Just at the
Speaker 3: canoe we were on with Junior Cazise, which is a
Speaker 3: female Sasquatch. We just thought that was really amazing. We
Speaker 3: got to the Hand area, which is in the southern
Speaker 3: part of Vancouver Island, and by this time there had
Speaker 3: been about seventy canoes, about three thousand paddlers from all
Speaker 3: over Oregon, Washington, all over British Columbia and the Yukon,
Speaker 3: and some from even further east, some of the real
Speaker 3: inland people. My friend Doug children told me of an
Speaker 3: encounter that happened. They went to a smokehouse, they had
Speaker 3: a ceremony where they went back there. They said they
Speaker 3: were getting ready to do a sweat lodge, a sweat
Speaker 3: lodge is very sacred. I've made a few sweat lodges
Speaker 3: myself over the years. As they were getting ready to
Speaker 3: go into the sweat lodge, they kept looking up in
Speaker 3: the woods and by this time it's dark, so they
Speaker 3: had a big fire. There was a couple of fires
Speaker 3: going on. The fireman was heating up the rocks with
Speaker 3: the sweat lodge and kept looking up in the woods
Speaker 3: and said, felt like something was watching them. The fireman
Speaker 3: looked up and noticed us looking up there. He says, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just that sasquatch.
Speaker 2: He's here, just nonchalant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 2: He's just up there. Yeah, nothing to see here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem to get friendly down there, the sasquatches.
Speaker 3: Further south you go, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I've always heard that too. And it's the further
Speaker 2: north you get, obviously, the more extremely environment. And I
Speaker 2: think that has something to do with it, because so
Speaker 2: many of the encounters a resource gathering areas. I think
Speaker 2: maybe we shot at them more. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: that has anything to do with it that or not,
Speaker 2: but it's like the further north you go, the more
Speaker 2: aggressive it becomes. Very patches hunting grounds, fishing, whatever it
Speaker 2: may be, it seems to have at least play a
Speaker 2: role in it because of the extreme environments in the
Speaker 2: short season. I think it has something to do with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hearing stories of the encounters down south, and man,
Speaker 3: it sounds like they are up here, except they seem
Speaker 3: to be more friendly or down there. Like up in
Speaker 3: paines Chuka Valley. We knew there weren't friendly. There's something
Speaker 3: we had to always be careful of. I'm always careful
Speaker 3: when I go in the woods. I'm always listening. I'm
Speaker 3: a deer hunter, so I'm always scouting the surroundings looking
Speaker 3: for any kind of movement, just to be wary of
Speaker 3: any kind of animals that could be around. Mostly worried
Speaker 3: about moose or bear. In my tribe, I am Cagwantan,
Speaker 3: which is a wolf. I belong to the wolf clan.
Speaker 3: Tribal house is a good Chit, which is a wolf
Speaker 3: house in Klukwan. One time I was in the woods
Speaker 3: and I got surrounded by a pack of wolves. And
Speaker 3: these wolves are pretty big. They all ran around me,
Speaker 3: but they left me alone. I tried speaking to him,
Speaker 3: how are you doing? Gucca's wolf and clinket. They would
Speaker 3: leave me alone, so I never felt threatened by a wolf.
Speaker 3: But if they were an attack, of course I would
Speaker 3: defend myself. If they were successful in killing me, I'm
Speaker 3: going to make sure I take a few of them
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 2: If you don't mind masking. How old are you, Sonny,
Speaker 2: I'm sixty eight. I'm sure we're going to wonder.
Speaker 3: I've been out in the woods since I was very young.
Speaker 3: I was like four years old. I used to go
Speaker 3: with my dad deer hunt. The earliest memory I have
Speaker 3: is I was near the gear bag with extra gear,
Speaker 3: extra rifle. He'd be out there hunting, and I would
Speaker 3: wait there and he'd come back with the deer. And
Speaker 3: there's many times I go when we were fishing. He'd
Speaker 3: go shore on the small island I think it was
Speaker 3: Pleasant Island near Glacier Bay and hearing three gunshots, So
Speaker 3: I started preparing for three deer.
Speaker 2: Usually three gunshots is a signal for help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just knew because they weren't right in a row.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, Yeah, I heard one shot, so you
Speaker 3: got a deer. And I was getting that ready, and
Speaker 3: I heard another gun shot and got another one, and
Speaker 3: then the third one, and sure enough, my dad would
Speaker 3: come in dragon three deer. You would hang it off
Speaker 3: the boat and just let the blood drip into the water.
Speaker 3: My dad was always very good at hunting. And you
Speaker 3: tell me hunting around Geno, there's thirty thousand people are
Speaker 3: living Geno. You go off into the woods to hunting.
Speaker 3: Pressure is really great, especially during deer season, Like right now,
Speaker 3: people go out in the woods, they don't get in anything.
Speaker 3: And this says you didn't go high enough. My dad says,
Speaker 3: if you want to get a deer right now, you
Speaker 3: have to go all the way to the top of
Speaker 3: that mountain and then drop down. That's the only way
Speaker 3: to get them because they're a pig. Just because there's
Speaker 3: so many hunters out there. That's how I learned, was
Speaker 3: going up really high and then dropping down.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you were raised one shot, one kill
Speaker 2: as well. I was always taught you wanted to drop
Speaker 2: where it's at immediately. For one, out of respect for it.
Speaker 2: You don't want it to suffer. And two, if it
Speaker 2: runs off, it adrenalizes and gets real gamy and tough,
Speaker 2: cook it for twelve and chew it for eight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's no fun. Yeah, that doesn't taste good. Hey, it's
Speaker 2: getting a little chillier out here. The longer we shit,
Speaker 2: We'll go ahead and bring this to a close. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Sonny for joining us today and being willing to come forward.
Speaker 2: Be who you are, share who you are, some of
Speaker 2: your culture, and some of the experiences. I sincerely appreciate
Speaker 2: you going through the effort being able to meet up.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you for joining us, and we
Speaker 2: will catch you. Guys on the next one.
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