WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:03.000 Welcome to another episode of the Crime Pace. About any 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.280 dozen podcasts? I really, I'm gonna be honest with you. 3 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:08.759 I haven't wanted to do this, and just the thought 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:11.199 of sitting down for two hours and doing a podcast 5 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.080 has seemed so unappealing to me. I'm just fucking done 6 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.280 with it. I'm not done with I just need a break. 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.559 I got so much other shit going on, got stuff. 8 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:21.920 I got a draw I'm going to this aeroid conference 9 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.160 in uh September. They want me to draw something for them. 10 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.239 They're getting they're getting charges, of course, right, And I 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.560 was just in fucking where the fuck well, I didn't 12 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:33.719 even know where I was. I don't even know where 13 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:35.640 it was anymore. I don't know where I am. I 14 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.280 don't know where I am now. I could be in 15 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.479 my office here in South Texas while it's one hundred 16 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.280 and four degrees outside hotter, because you know, the city 17 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:47.479 I live in, they hate trees. It's part of the 18 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.439 culture down here. We'll get into that later, but uh, 19 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.280 you know, I don't even know where I am anymore. 20 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:55.240 I was in where'd I go? I was in Chicago, 21 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.520 did a show in Chicago and a show in Milwaukee. 22 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.359 Then I did. Then I came came on down the 23 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:06.200 Louisville Uh, did a show there for almost two hundred people. Fuck, 24 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:07.799 it was a lot up was it two hundred? Maybe 25 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:08.719 it was two hundred? Yeah? 26 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:09.280 Uh. 27 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.519 Then I did this is all like short notice too. 28 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.560 Then I did a show. I was at Callowe, North 29 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:16.159 Carolina for their Native Plant Conference, which I thought. I 30 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:18.120 thought they weren't gonna be fans. I thought there because 31 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.599 it could you know, you never know, right and see 32 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.200 it instead of college you see, I'm not making any judgment, 33 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.120 but they ended up loving the ship out of it. It 34 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:29.920 was good, the fun presentation show people cool plants from 35 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.760 all the world talk some shit ship ship all over 36 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:39.319 modern horticulture and uh and landscaping and and then uh yeah, 37 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:40.680 and then where'd I go from that? And then I 38 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:43.719 went to Columbia, South Carolina, which they just invited me 39 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:45.680 on a whim and it worked out. That was fun. 40 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.280 That was a nice stayed with some wonderful people there, 41 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.959 uh who put me up for two nights. Uh. And 42 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.239 then in between after Callowe, between Klowe and Colombia, I 43 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.040 got some time with Adam Black and Lily to go 44 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.640 look at some rare plants in Appalachia, went up to 45 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.799 like six thousand feet, which on the east coast is 46 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:12.560 pretty high, and saw, god, the pipeline swaltails were everywhere. 47 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.520 They were hitting these lilies on the road. Lilium's superbum 48 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:18.840 and I forget where we went what was a blue 49 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.599 Ridge park where so it was fucking beautiful. We went 50 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.400 up into the red spruce zone. They're not going to 51 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.080 be there much longer, probably another one hundred years if that. 52 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.199 Climate change is definitely gonna take those out, and they 53 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.159 can't go any higher, right, the spruces, but they can 54 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.080 go higher latitude, I guess, but I suppose there are 55 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.680 I'm not familiar with that species. There's probably a bunch 56 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.719 at higher latitudes. But it was cool to see those 57 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.520 the whole I mean the whole fucking time. We were 58 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.080 seeing incredible stuff. We went to one of those vertical bogs, 59 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:54.080 got to check out the Triantha glutenosa, which is a 60 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.199 carnivorous plant that wasn't known to be carnivorous until recently. 61 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.759 Suppose I mean Triantha occidentalis, the one that they did. 62 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.360 They did researchers did nitrogen isotope testing on to make 63 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:08.280 sure it was actually consuming via with you know, with enzymes, 64 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.919 consuming the insects that it trapped on. Its sticky pedugles, 65 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.719 sticky sticky peduncles could be are safe word know what 66 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.560 that means? Huh you filthy fuck? Just kidding, there's no 67 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:21.080 shame here. 68 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:21.800 Uh. 69 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:26.080 But but Trianthon glutinosa, and then there's another Triantha in 70 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.479 Florida I forget the name of. Then there's one in Japan. 71 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:33.479 The Japanese one may not be carnivorous, who knows, they've 72 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.240 probably been separated for a long time, but triantheic glutenosa 73 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:40.800 and Triantha accidentalis both are. I don't I don't think 74 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.000 glutenose has been confirmed with again nitrogen isotope, But for 75 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.080 fox sake, they're sticking its there, you know. I'm sure 76 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:52.400 that's inherited. I'm sure it wasn't just Triantha occidentalis that 77 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.240 evolved the capacity to digest insects. I'm sure glutenos is 78 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:57.080 doing it too. You know, you got to get some 79 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.759 guys in there with the nitrogen isotopes and stuff to 80 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.759 tell them about the knie frogeniotopes. Don't tell them about that. 81 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:04.360 Tell them what you tell them what it does, and 82 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.479 you know all that stuff, you don't explain it to 83 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.199 them like you explain it to me. Nice. I put 84 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.520 a post up on face crook and some guy was like, 85 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.879 actually the paper with the boat. Try at the octaden. 86 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:16.920 Get the fuck out of you take how you take 87 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:18.199 a hike, buddy, hah. 88 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:20.720 And uh. 89 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.600 And then so the fucking blue the Appalachian Mountains were beautiful. 90 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.439 It was fucking incredible, even though we were just like 91 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.480 doing car botany right, like driving from point to point 92 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.839 step and getting out. Got to see buffalo nuts, not 93 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.600 to be confused with buffalo scrotum, which is the name 94 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:42.399 for Callicanthus, which Callacanthus the genus is. It's a you know, 95 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.920 they make flowers that are like a deep burgundy red 96 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.519 smell like port wine. There's an East Coast species and 97 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.920 a West Coast species. The West coast species is known 98 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.519 as California spice bush. But if you call this one 99 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.879 spice bush, because of how stupid common names are to 100 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.720 begin with, people think you're talking about lindera. I think benzoin, 101 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:05.600 which is in the avocado family low race. These are 102 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.360 both more basal angiosperms, and by that I mean earlier 103 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:15.079 branching lineages. Okay, more like ancestral lineages, not very derived 104 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.079 but but but anyway, but we got to see that. 105 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:24.759 But it's funny. The fruits and Callicanthus floridas look literally 106 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.839 like a scrotum. It's very impressive, right, like a pair 107 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.639 of like nasty old man truck nuts that you might 108 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.160 see some rednecks hanging off the back of our take truck. 109 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.319 Not's still a thing the people still do that. I 110 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.480 haven't seen it in a while. A friend of mine 111 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.399 told me about some neo Nazis he saw in Phoenix 112 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.279 with a pair of truck nuts. I wonder if those 113 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.439 dudes have gotten shot yet. Possibly possibly could be. You know, 114 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.399 the rages in our society, the rages never directed where 115 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.639 it belongs. It's always just it's it's misdirected, right, it's 116 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.519 just just entropy just goes everywhere. Right, if you directed, 117 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.759 it's not as bad anyway. Good job Luigi anyway. So, 118 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.800 but as I was saying, the Calacanthus fruits really truly 119 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.160 do look like a scrotum. It's one of the most 120 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:17.079 fascinating things I've ever seen. And then buffalo nut, which 121 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.639 is oh god, I'm already forgetting the name. Let's look 122 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.879 up Santa Laci. Here's why I need ainad. It's like 123 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:26.199 an old man, old man who can't remember names of shit. 124 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.800 He has to write everything down. Pyrollaria pubera, which is 125 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:33.519 buffalo nut, which in Santa Lacey. The sandalwood family is 126 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.160 of course parasitic, but it's hemiparasitic. It's got chlorophyll in it, 127 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.360 and it's doing photosynthesis, but it's it's also got hostorial 128 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.040 roots through which it taps into host plants, and Pyrolaria 129 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.959 pubera definitely does that, and I guess it's not it's 130 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.360 not edible, though there is an edible species in India. 131 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.160 I love thinking about that, these lineages that are so 132 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.839 how fucking old do you have to be to have 133 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.959 a species in the same genus in India that uh 134 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.319 as the as the same genus as the species that 135 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:11.560 grows in the two different species same genus, but you know, 136 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.600 separated by ten thousand miles. Ones in uh North Carolina 137 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.319 one is in ones in India? What is it is that? 138 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.879 Where is that where Edgela is from? Let's you know what. 139 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:23.800 Let me look at this because I want to give 140 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.360 you a bad dopier. Let me look this up. Pyrolaria, 141 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.519 the buffalo nut. What is the Indian species? Oh shit, 142 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:35.279 not India, Bangladesh, It's into Himalayas. Damn that's wild and 143 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.439 you got you got some in unn So it's I 144 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.560 would guess it's more of a you know, that's interesting too, 145 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:48.040 because that's more of the the uh temperate Asia slash 146 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:52.560 Eastern North America. This junction, which is the thing really 147 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:59.199 fucking fascinating. Yeah, Pyrolaria edgeless only five observations on igh naturalist. 148 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:05.560 It's higher elevation Himalayan species. You know those Himalayas. They're 149 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.959 really uplift and quick. There you could see, I love it. 150 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:11.360 You could see the fucking convergent plate boundary on a 151 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.879 topographic map. You could see where India is literally ramming 152 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:17.920 into the ramming into Asia. Just pounding it hard, daddy, 153 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.480 and uh but much. But this is the thing, the 154 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:27.120 Eastern North America slash Asia disjunction. How many genera have 155 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.360 occur in both places but with different species, right, and 156 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.480 of course this is a disjunction. Asa Gray talked about 157 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.159 this was Asa Gray prick. I wonder if he was. 158 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:37.759 I bet he was a little bit of a stiff. 159 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.440 I bet he had a little I bet he sniffed 160 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.399 his own farts a little bit. Right, he was part 161 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.919 of that like aristocratic uh you know, white society back 162 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.879 then very you know, very esteemed very But but maybe 163 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.279 he was on a level too. You know, if you 164 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.360 if you could go back in time and those asa 165 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.799 gray like you could both go eat mushrooms toget are 166 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.000 in a woods or something, you know, would you have 167 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.080 whatever be them? Wud he just start freaking out? Or 168 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.200 would what would it be like? You know, or would 169 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:10.399 it be he'd be expounding on different philosophical points, he'd 170 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.360 be pontificating. I wonder you know you got because I 171 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.000 bet some of those people back in the day, if 172 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.320 you got them loose and got them to, you know, 173 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.159 kind of be aware of their own bullshit. Little bit 174 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.519 of self awareness is what psychedelics are good for. Maybe 175 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.879 they'd loosen up, they'd unclenched. They'd be fun to hang 176 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.039 out with, right, you know, maybe they would let go 177 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:32.720 of the classism and and cast ideology that they they 178 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:34.559 cling to as part of the you know, we're the 179 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.320 esteemed class, and you know, maybe they'd let go a 180 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.360 little bit of that and see that we're all connected. 181 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.519 I don't know, you know, I sure wish people where 182 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.000 I live would do that. You get the self hating 183 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.000 Mexican thing that here, Okay, we'll talk about that later. 184 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.679 Let's keep going and self hitting Mexican American thing very important. 185 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.759 They're American, They're not Mexically, They're Mexican American. They want 186 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.360 you to okay, by by day, I'm talking about the 187 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.720 dominant culture. All right, let's we'll talk about that later. 188 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:59.440 All right, So uh, and we'll talk about how that 189 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:01.639 plays into native plants and shit too, because it certainly 190 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.399 fucking does. It's very, very frustrating to work with, right 191 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.039 It's it's like a friend of mine always says, you know, 192 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.720 inability to love yourself is responsible for a lot of 193 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.240 the pain and suffering cause in the world. But before 194 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:13.960 we get into that, you know, I'm not trying to 195 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.440 get all Eastern philosophy and here, let's just talk about 196 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:21.120 the disjunctions. So the Eastern North America Asia disjunction, the 197 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.639 theory being, and I presume how this happened because those 198 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.799 places are on opposite side of the opposite sides of 199 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:33.039 the globe. Is that you know, probably during warm before 200 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:38.720 the Ice Age, warmer times, right, maybe Miocene. I think 201 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.679 it really when did it? I wonder when you know, 202 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.080 climatically the Earth really started to cool off significantly to 203 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.039 the point that you know, sixty degrees latitude north for instance, 204 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:55.279 was no longer warm and temperate, and when it started 205 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:59.919 to be uh, you know, freezing and too cold for 206 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.120 and tundra basically. But anyway, the point I'm getting to is, 207 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.799 before you know, the higher latitudes farthest away from the 208 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.200 equator started to freeze and turn into tundra, there was 209 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.519 there were forests up there there We know this. There 210 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:19.159 were Metasaquoia forests up on axel Heiberg Island in the Arctic. Antarctica, 211 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.519 of of course, wasn't always an ice box it was. 212 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.039 There's micro fossing on the South Pole. There's micro fossil 213 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.039 pollen of na though vegas and many potocarps which are 214 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:36.000 now which are tropical conifers temperate in New Zealand but 215 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:42.399 mostly tropical in other places. Tropical conifers warm warm climate conifers. 216 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.840 There's you know, the fossil record on an arcticle's abundant 217 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.200 and it's always been where it was, but it wasn't 218 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.720 always sealed off from the warmer ocean currents and the 219 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.720 rest of the world by that circumpolar current that it's 220 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.960 got now that keeps all the warm waters away and 221 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:02.679 keeps it so chilly. But anyway, back to the northern 222 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.240 hemisphere at a certain time, probably fifteen million years ago. 223 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.080 Same thing with chestnuts, right, there's Chinese chestnuts, there's American chestnuts. 224 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.919 Chinese chestnuts, of course, are resistant to blight and it's 225 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.639 only a mild pathogen, but the chestnut blight to the 226 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:26.200 north American chestnut is deadly. So anyway, so there's this junction, 227 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.240 and of course you go to sixty degrees latitude, it's 228 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.919 much less distance required to go around the entire globe, right, 229 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.679 because you're at the circumference around sixty degrees latitude at 230 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:42.480 the globe is much smaller than the circumference at the equator. 231 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.720 And so there were forests up there, and many of 232 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.480 these lineages likely were up there. And then as the 233 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.320 climate began to cool and the freezing points what became 234 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:57.559 tundra lowered in latitude, and so you know, now you 235 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:59.600 only had to get really really cold you only had 236 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.720 to go to like say, forty degrees latitude instead of 237 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.559 sixty degrees latitude. That sealed off that if essentially isolated 238 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.240 these forests from each other, right, the and the and 239 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.200 the plant lineages there, like East Asia from North America, right, 240 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:20.559 And so then they speciated into different species and so 241 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.759 with the same ancestor if you go far enough back. 242 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:28.240 So that's why there are so many different versions of species, 243 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.320 different versions of genera in the form of species between 244 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:37.919 eastern North America and Eastern Asia, which is really interesting. 245 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.639 I'm looking at another one right now, Diphilias diphilia the 246 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.279 genus d I p h y l L e i A. 247 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:51.759 It's in the Podophylum tribe of the Podophylum subfamily of 248 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.879 Berbera dec. So what is that? What is potop phylum? 249 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:56.120 Is that? 250 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.639 May apple? Is that the you know, the the Berberous family, 251 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.600 the Mahonia family. But it's let me make sure I'm 252 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.799 getting this right here, Potophylums may apple. I want you know, 253 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.080 you get people correcting common names. Oh, that's stupid, it 254 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.120 doesn't it doesn't matter with you. I know someone would 255 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.759 do that though, well, actually, pull you it's not potophilem 256 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.320 is not made apple. It's the different it is. So 257 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:23.879 I just had to check anyway. So Podophylum's uh, you 258 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:25.720 know the may apple plants which you get in the 259 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.559 the understories of woodlands in the Midwest and eastern North America. 260 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:35.320 It's in that it's in that clade Diphialaia and that 261 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.000 was another plant that we've seen in apple Atchia elephant 262 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.080 ear not very creative of a name, or was it 263 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.559 umbrella leaf? It's umbrella leaf is the common name. So 264 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.120 in Appalachia you get Diphilea d I p h y 265 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.919 l e I A. Again, I don't know to pronounce 266 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.120 how what you want. I don't know how you I 267 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.320 don't know how you pronounced it. I'm saying Diphilia diphileya whatever, 268 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:03.080 we get dif which is known as umbrella leaf. Yeah, 269 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.559 very very creative on it named. And then in the 270 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.480 East you get two other species, Diphilia gray eye from 271 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.039 Japan and Diphileas sinensis, which I believe I would assume 272 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.519 is from China. Right, But this this pattern repeata. Liquid 273 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.919 ambars you got, you know, East, you got Asian and 274 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.080 Eastern North America liquid ambar sweet gum trees right leriodendron, 275 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.879 same thing, and presumably there were these you know, Western 276 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.799 North America had many of these plants to these these lineages, 277 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:38.440 you know, fourteen to fifty million years ago. There are 278 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.000 fossils of many of them. But then of course Western 279 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.279 North America started drying out. When did Western north America 280 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.720 really start drying out ten million years ago? I think so, 281 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.000 because you know, you could find you could find coniferous forests, 282 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.840 fossil coniferous forests that are about twelve million years old 283 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.519 east of Reno, where now it's just like you know, 284 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.480 fucking mounds of barren lava with desert scrub high desert 285 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:08.480 scrub in them. Same thing with southeastern Oregon, northwestern Nevada, 286 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.200 like and massive you've seen massive Metasaquoia stumps. I saw one, God, 287 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.039 it was a photo I saw one of my photos 288 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:19.919 i'd taken, like I think it was twenty nineteen of 289 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.200 just these massive, like four foot diameter Metasaquoia trunks in 290 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:30.039 this barren area, this high desert area of northwestern Nevada. 291 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.320 That and it was beneath the cap of twelve million 292 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.679 year old basalt, like there was a little mesa with 293 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.399 the twelve million year old basalt, and that we were 294 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.519 at the base of the of the mesa and that's 295 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.960 where these massive stumps were just coming out of what 296 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.080 was basically a massive ash flow deposit. So they had 297 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.240 been permenalized some of these some of the wood hadn't 298 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.759 even been perfectly permeneralized, like it was still woody and fibers. 299 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.960 It was fucking crazy. I put photos up and someone 300 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.799 was like, that's not that's what That's not a fossil, 301 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.119 that's wood that you split. I was like, man, this 302 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.400 is at the base of a It's just like it's 303 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:09.680 thirteen million year old wood. It's at the base of 304 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.359 a of a massive trunk of metasaquoia that came out. 305 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.079 It was some of the craziest shit I've seen, Like 306 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.880 some of the wood like to be able to touch 307 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.920 thirteen million year old wood that hadn't even perfectly permineralized. 308 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.960 The cells had not filled with silica yet, and of 309 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.279 course the silica all came from the volcanic ash above. 310 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.079 It really fascinating stuff. So we got the eastern North 311 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:37.799 America and East Asia disjunction. You can tell there's these 312 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.480 species are related. They share a common ancestor. They're very 313 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.240 closely related, but they've been, you know, through ten million 314 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:47.400 years of isolation, after the higher latitudes cooled and each 315 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.480 each population got separated on its respective continent. They have 316 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.960 since gone their separate ways and become different species. Right, 317 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:57.799 which is a very important to note too, with what 318 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.200 happened with chestnut blight. Chestnut blight and Chinese chestnut evolved 319 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.480 together in an evolutionary arms race, tit for tat, you know, 320 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.599 the pathogen evolving more virulence, Chinese chestnut evolving more resistance, 321 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.720 back and forth over ten million years. And of course 322 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:20.279 in that time, Chinese chestnut gained resistance. The fungus, if 323 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.000 you want to think of it, like this basically bred 324 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.319 resistance into it. But because the fungus didn't evolve over 325 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.279 that ten million years with American chestnuts, right, you bring 326 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.319 that fungus over here, it's like that ten million years 327 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.359 never happened. Now you've got a hyper virulent fungus strain 328 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.839 which has evolved ways to get around all the defenses 329 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.440 of the host plant, the chestnut that it evolved within 330 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.640 its Chinese chestnut that evolved within its home ecosystem. It's 331 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.359 like that didn't happen here, and so now it's got 332 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:51.799 It's way more virulent than the East. You know, the 333 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:54.440 North American chestnut can tolerate, and it's the North American 334 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.880 chestnuts have no resistance, and so it basically causes a 335 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.559 functional extinction. Okay, moving right a long. So got to 336 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:03.880 see that diyphilia. That was really interesting. That was a 337 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.279 new plant for me. Saw tons of stuff I had 338 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.960 never seen before. There was also I believe it was 339 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:12.400 Euphorbia porpoia. It was like a four foot tall euphobia 340 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.559 that was growing in the understory, and it was it 341 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:21.279 was reminiscent of like euphobias that you'll see and yeah, 342 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:25.359 it was purpoia euphobias that you'll see or that I've 343 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.200 seen in higher elevation mountains of Mexico. And so that's 344 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.279 another interesting thing to think about too, is how these lineages. 345 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.480 I mean, god, it was so weird for me to 346 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:39.720 see to see a relative of that Eastern North American 347 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:46.039 shrubs Stiphilia excuse me, staphilea, not Stiphilia. Get a confused. 348 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.759 Stiphilia isn't eric Cale's. It's like a southern hemisphere member 349 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:54.440 of eric Casey, the blueberry family. This is Staphilea priningly 350 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.319 i in the order A cross as so Mautlees. That's 351 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:02.599 a fucking weird one in the family Staphele. But I saw, 352 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.119 you know, to see a STAPHILEA pringly eye and this little, 353 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:13.839 you know, refugeal canyon in south of Monterey, in Nuevo Leone, 354 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.559 in an area that's surrounded by desert, but it's hiding 355 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.519 in this much more wet, humid little canyon with a 356 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.359 bunch of oaks and other lineages of plants that you 357 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.200 might find. And it felt being there, felt like being 358 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.319 in parts of like lower elevation Appalachia. It was crazy. 359 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.559 You can definitely see the connection. And so it makes 360 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.200 you think about how these plants have moved, you know, 361 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.319 over the last however many thousands of years, millions of years, 362 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.640 et cetera. I wonder if there's an Eastern if there's 363 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:47.440 an Asian Staphilea. Ah, Indeed there is. Yes, there's seven 364 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:52.039 species in China, Staphilea japonica that looks like that's probably 365 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:56.799 used ornamentally because the the bladder nuts are red. American 366 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.720 bladder nut is the name for Stafilea trifoliata, which is 367 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.079 the one you'll get in in the east, and then 368 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.640 stapha Lea pringlii in Nuevo Lao, Mexico. And then yeah, 369 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.079 there's like seven species. Yeah, I could see the being. 370 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.720 That's why this this East Asia North America its junction 371 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.640 is also why so many species from Asia are so 372 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.440 fucking invasive in eastern North America, right, because it's such 373 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:28.799 a similar climate, Like they're so it's climatically very similar, 374 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.039 but without any of the checks and balances, you know, 375 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.720 so you'll have different There's so many you know, like 376 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:39.359 euonymous think of that one. Like, there's so many Eastern 377 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:46.160 Asian versions of genera species that we get in the air, 378 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.279 native to the east coast of North America, and those 379 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.039 are always what get planted in horticulture, which again is 380 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.680 like this weird, it's part of this God, I loved 381 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.480 attacking horticulture. It's just it's just so fucking again, they 382 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.200 were broad over because they're exotic and they're more pretty. 383 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.599 I don't know why. I don't know why you would prefer, 384 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:07.680 you know, a nine thousand miles away version of a 385 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.279 plant that you've got here of a native plant you've 386 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.079 got here, which is adapted to the ecology. Right, it 387 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:17.119 doesn't make any sense. It's fucking weird, but that happens 388 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.079 all over the world. That's just what people do when 389 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:21.759 they have when they when horticulture is done. And that's 390 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:23.200 part of the whole problem with it, is like this 391 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:28.319 tie in between just planting for beauty and the tie 392 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.799 in between like wealth and horticulture too. Got there's so 393 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.039 much fucking classism tied into all these shit. The more 394 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.240 think about it, I was at, Okay, we'll just get 395 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.799 into it now. I was at this meeting last night 396 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:42.079 in the city for the city council here to get 397 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.440 this native plant ordinance passed, and I was not going 398 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.559 to the monthly meetings they were having. My friends were. 399 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.279 I kind of I didn't bother with the city because 400 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.480 you're starting from square one and everyone. I'm just so 401 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:58.319 used to people everywhere being indoctrinated into the crape myrtle 402 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:04.559 and oleander landscaping, the horticultural atrocities, you know, the shit 403 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.400 that just to me looks gaudy and goofy and ridiculous 404 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.880 and very anti nature. And then I think, in many ways, 405 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.799 of course, indoctrinates people to hate nature, which it totally does, 406 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.480 and to think nature's messy. And that's something I've learned, 407 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.599 especially being down here in the borderlands in South Texas. 408 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.160 But the tie in between cultural shame mixed in with 409 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:28.680 native plants and kind of the self hate, which is 410 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.039 again this is like a Tejano thing, right, you get 411 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.559 a little bit of Mexico too, because of the result 412 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.759 of the Spanish, the Spanish influence, right like the and 413 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:38.920 me and my friend Carlos talked about this on the 414 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.799 podcast we did together a couple months ago, right like, 415 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.319 and especially in the north where a lot of the 416 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.799 indigenous culture was wiped out, but it was kept alive 417 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.359 in the south, right Like you go to Wajaka, they 418 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:50.279 embraced the shit out of native plants there. There's a 419 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.640 lot of room for native plants. There's there's art with 420 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.960 fucking cacti and agaves and lots of appreciation for up here. 421 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.599 Though in the north of Mexico it's very different. There's 422 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.599 a lot of more of that what I call the 423 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.559 abwe leah landscaping derisively so because it's like the Spanish abuelita, 424 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.720 like you know, the manicured gardens. Everything's got to be hedged. 425 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.119 What happens if you don't hedge it? If what if 426 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:17.880 you don't hedge it? A bush to look like a 427 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.119 fucking horse moll er? What happens to it? Does a 428 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.839 little garden a little garden troll come out and spank you? 429 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.160 You know that kind of stuff, The oleanders, the pretty flowers, 430 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.279 like rediculous stuff that looks ridiculous, like plants you would 431 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:32.519 never encounter in nature. They look gaudy, they look goofy, 432 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.200 like the same way you'd never encounter a fucking poodle 433 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.160 or a pug in nature. No offense to poodles or pugs. 434 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.640 They look fucking ridiculous though, right, You never you never 435 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.599 encounter as a nature. There are things that have been 436 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.200 bred by people with because nature's not good enough. Nature's messy, 437 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.799 you know. And so we they were my friends were 438 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.599 going to meet with these people that run the city 439 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:58.440 once a month, and you know, there's and but this 440 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:01.279 has been two years in the making, and it's the 441 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.319 progress has been made as much as you can make. 442 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.079 There's some people that are real just not they're real thick. 443 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.880 They're not going to get it. Like one guy, one 444 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.200 guy at the city council is trying to say, you know, 445 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.519 we should only limit plants to being thirty percent of 446 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.839 someone's yard. The rest needs to be turf grass. Fucking crazy, 447 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.079 just like you know. And this is the guy who's 448 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.759 responsible for a lot of decisions that get made in 449 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:25.359 the city. Like I don't know if a tree fell 450 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.680 on his cousin or something or what. He's got something personal, 451 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.119 But the guy hates plants. He hates plants, he hates trees. 452 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.400 I don't know what his deal is. It's I mean, 453 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:40.880 it's literally this insane, unthinking bias towards mode bermuda grass 454 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.200 that's half dead anyway, because it's so hot here, you know, 455 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:46.279 and even if you water, I mean, you would have 456 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.559 to have the thing on a constant drip, basically be 457 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.640 growing it hydroponically in the ground to keep it green. 458 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.200 It's just so fucking hot, right, It's one hundred and 459 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.160 five degrees for six months out of the year and 460 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.680 then it's summer for eleven months out of the year. 461 00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.160 I don't know what it is, but he wanted it 462 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.559 to be thirty percent native plants. This is the guy 463 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.920 that's responsible for why the drainage canals are always getting scraped. 464 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.680 They go in there with a back home, completely devoid 465 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.119 of any thought or practicality, not realizing that roots are 466 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.839 what prevent the soil from sloping, these really steep slopes 467 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.039 from eroding. Right, if you don't have plants there, they're 468 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:20.759 going to erode. I think it's this thought that, like, 469 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.960 we need to keep the drainage canals clean, right, But 470 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.519 they're not going in there and scooping out dead plant material. 471 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.039 They literally scoop the sides of the canal, which again, 472 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.720 every time you do it, it widens the canal and 473 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:37.000 makes the slopes steeper, and so the ground starts eroding. 474 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:42.640 You get a twelve foot tall slope that's just you know, subsiding. Basically, 475 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:45.799 it's fucking crazy, man, Like it could be. It could 476 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.359 have trees along it to shade the canal, you know, 477 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:54.359 hold the root, hold the prevent the sides from eroding. Whatever, 478 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.400 that would make too much sense. Again, it's just this 479 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:02.920 idea that the native plant are messy and bare. Concrete, 480 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:08.200 bear asphalt and mode turf grass are clean. That's really 481 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.640 all it is. It's so hard to understand if you're 482 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.319 not if you don't live down here, like if you 483 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.720 haven't experienced it, and it ties into the culture too, 484 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:21.200 because it's crazy. It's again, it's ninety eight percent Mexican American. 485 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.759 The only time you see white people down here, it's 486 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.319 almost always Mormon. I mean, there's a sprinkling of Caucasians, Caucasians, 487 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.640 there's a sprinkling of Caucasity. But anytime you see white 488 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.160 people down here, it's like anytime I see white people 489 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.119 in my neighborhood, they're fucking Mormons. It's like there's like missionaries, 490 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.240 you know, they're like the fresh faced, young pink boys 491 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:44.599 and girls coming here to spread the good word of Jesus. 492 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.319 But of course leaving out all the important class issues, 493 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.960 leaving out his hatred for the rich. He didn't hate anybody, 494 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.759 but you know what I mean, his distaste for the rich, 495 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.640 his distaste for those who wanted status in and uh 496 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.799 and to be seen as elite amongst their community and 497 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.799 hold power over others. Right, it's you're never hear'm talking 498 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.519 about anything. Okay, that's a that's a diatribe. But it's 499 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.319 really hard to imagine if you've never been down here. 500 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.880 Every other I've been in Mexican neighborhoods, Mexican adjacent neighborhoods 501 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.319 my whole life. Right, then, there's always been you know, 502 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.359 colorful murals, there's always been a strong there were brown 503 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.720 pride movements in the sixties and seventies. None of that 504 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.119 happened here. None of it happened here. And so it's 505 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.079 a really peculiar place to study this effect, which is 506 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:39.799 this weird shame that gets associated with with with I mean, 507 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.720 so many elements of the culture, but especially with having 508 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.880 like nopal or mesquite in your yard. Right, it means 509 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:51.680 like you're you're messy, you're poor, you you you didn't 510 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.799 escape the rancho like it's these severely fucking toxic ideologies, right. 511 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.319 And of course down here you get parents that don't 512 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.359 teach their kids Spanish. I mean, you get parents down here. 513 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.400 And I know this because this is the case with 514 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.839 friends of mine, parents who tell their children not to 515 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.079 go out in the sun because they will brown. Don't 516 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.119 use the natural melanin that you got. That you're you're 517 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.880 fucking gifted by inheritance, which prevents skin cancer and prevents 518 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.079 you from burning, Okay, and of course is adaptive at 519 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.920 lower latitudes, not adaptive at higher latitudes you want need 520 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.920 sixty latitudes, sixty degrees latitude. You know, you got to 521 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.960 take vitamin these supplements if you got too much melanin 522 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.680 or something right. But down here it's adaptive and there's 523 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.720 just this is just science. It's just good biology behind this, 524 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.839 how it works. It's just different ecotypes of humans essentially, 525 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.480 that's all. That's all it is. It's just melanin. But 526 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.480 the cultural baggage that's associated with all this bullshit is 527 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.559 what focks people's heads up. And so it's it, you know, 528 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.400 And of course it's I'm not a sociologist, I'm not 529 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.079 a fucking anthropologist. But my ball my ballpark is native plants. 530 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.000 And when I see people hating their natural heritage because 531 00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:59.960 of how they've been taught to hate their own fucking cult, 532 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.160 it's it makes me pissed off. It makes me sad, 533 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.000 and then it makes me mad. And so I don't know, 534 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.200 there was never there was never like a movement down 535 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.279 here that said, fuck you, you know, we're proud, fuck 536 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.079 you were Mexican. All this shit, you know that that 537 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.119 is so important and vital to other areas of the 538 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.319 United States. There was never that, you get this weird 539 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.400 and and the classism it's associated with this too, like 540 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.200 you're poor if you have the native plants, you're a bum. 541 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.599 You're not trying toward one of the guys afterwards, he 542 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.519 was a nice guy. So the really nice guy, really 543 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.119 nice to handle dude spoke up after the end and 544 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.519 he said, you know, I don't I'm obviously outnumbered here, 545 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.200 but you know, I think you know, there's a house 546 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.799 around the corner from me that's got you know, the 547 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.920 plants growing right up on on the street right, he's 548 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.079 got cactus in there. And I was the first I 549 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.920 was like, oh shit, is he talking about me? Because 550 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:56.319 it's it's like that sounds like my house. But but 551 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.519 you know, but there was a street that was that 552 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.480 that the a house that's you can't even see the house. 553 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:03.960 I was thinking my head, I'm like, why do you 554 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.559 want to be able to see the house? Why are 555 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.720 you obsessed with seeing the house? Why is someone gets 556 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.799 a fence in front of her yard right at which people? 557 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.279 Do they want privacy? Why do you need to see 558 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:14.720 the house? Do you need to be looking in their 559 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.480 windows or something? You're like, you want to check on 560 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.279 what people are doing. You want like, why does it matter? 561 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.680 That's weird? Number one. Number two, people don't maybe they 562 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.519 don't want to see the bleak parking lot across the street, 563 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.039 or they want, you know, they don't want the road 564 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.519 noise coming or whatever. We to forget about whether you 565 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.880 could see the house. A weird point. But that's been 566 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:34.799 that's the third or fourth time it's been brought up. 567 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.200 And so anyway, this guy, you know, nice guy, nice 568 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.480 enough guy, but just a little brainwashed and unaware that 569 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.079 he's been brainwashed, you know. But he said this thing 570 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.200 when he was talking about it, and later on too, 571 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:47.640 I asked him because I went up to talk to 572 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.240 the guy, you know, and I was really nice, because 573 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.200 I here's who I want to talk to the most, 574 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.000 Like I want to hear what he is to say 575 00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.319 so I can understand this weird, deranged ideology. But I 576 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.119 didn't say it like that. I was really nice to him, 577 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:00.960 you know, no shame, so I'm not trying to shit 578 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.480 on the guy. And and he told me the address. 579 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:04.839 Later I went and looked at it was a fucking 580 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:06.920 dope house. It was a dope yard. It looked beautiful. 581 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.079 But one thing he said after he said, you know, 582 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.519 take some pride where you live, you know, which is 583 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.880 so indicative of a problem to me that you think 584 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.240 that that mean that that person doesn't have any self 585 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.839 respect for themselves. That's how heavily you've been bamboozled. You 586 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.480 think the person that that has a really nice garden 587 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.960 that's obviously well maintained, like the edges were cut. There 588 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.319 was even three feet of mode turf grass between the 589 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.039 street and the line of plants. Like it looked good. 590 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.599 It looked better than my yard. And I saw it 591 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.119 and I was like, damn, that's a good looking house. 592 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.240 That person about whoever lives there is probably cool. But 593 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.680 they're not a knob. They're not some fucking stiff that 594 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.599 you know has been britting no offense to this guy, 595 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.279 you know what I mean, But that that site takes 596 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.599 some pride in yourself. And the whole time I'm thinking, 597 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.599 I'm like, buddy, this person evidently takes pride in themselves. 598 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.559 They take pride in the place. It's that their culture 599 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.359 has been using for thousands of years. Sounds like you 600 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.160 got to take some pride and who you are because 601 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.039 you've been taught to have all this shame and associate 602 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.720 the plants with it. And I didn't say that to him, 603 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.880 of course, because we're not on that level yet. We 604 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.599 were just talking outside a city hall afterwards, after he 605 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.359 said all this stuff, but you know, it was it 606 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.960 was weird to his name is Romeo. He said Romeo, right, 607 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.720 that anglicization, which is anohing you get done here, right, 608 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.839 Jeseus becomes jesse All. It's fucking so weird, man, it's 609 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.519 so fucking weird. I mean it's it's not weird, it's 610 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.119 we know why it happens. But I mean, there was 611 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.160 a fucking white's only section of my town, the town 612 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.920 I live in, up until you know, the sixties, right, 613 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.480 dominant populace here as Mexican American, and they got up 614 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.759 the there was a there's because there's no white people 615 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.279 here anymore. You don't see him anymore. I think they 616 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.039 all moved out. I don't know what happened. I don't 617 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.519 study the demographics of what happened here, but there was 618 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.640 a white's only section at one point. There's not anymore, 619 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.400 but the populace is forgotten that that's the way it 620 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.680 used to be, right, And yeah, you could talk about 621 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.199 you know, you hear some college kid with blue hair 622 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.079 and accept them ring. It's colonization, yeah, yeah, a little bit, 623 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.840 a little bit, But it's a little bit more than that, 624 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.639 because you see this shit in Mexico two. You see 625 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.280 it all over It's it's classism, it's a caste system. 626 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.679 You see people all over the world. This is I 627 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.760 don't know what this is tied to, what causes it, 628 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.079 but any excuse humans can have to feel superior to 629 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.039 each other and feel higher than one another. This is 630 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.440 the kind of shit that comes out, you know, the 631 00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.960 hierarchies to create the social hierarchies. See chimps doing the 632 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.599 same thing too, right, It's one thing to create hierarchies 633 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.719 of you know, someone to lead and someone whatever designate 634 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:52.039 the designate responsibilities to different members of a of a group. Right. 635 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:56.400 But but the weird caste system that I'm better than 636 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.800 you ideology, that's some fucking poison right there, and you 637 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.719 I see it all over the fucking world. It's some 638 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.480 toxic shit. So yeah, he's a colonialism, yeah a little bit, 639 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.000 there's a little bit of that, But also this is 640 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.480 just some sick shit that people do to each other. 641 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.400 What's the root cause of it? Alienation from the living world, 642 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.599 lack of humiliate. I don't know. I don't know. It's 643 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.800 all cultural shit. I don't like I said, I don't 644 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.760 study culture. I just talk shit. I don't study culture. 645 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.159 That's not what I do. I don't. To be fair, 646 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.519 I don't think sociologists really study culture too. I think 647 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:27.960 a lot of them are sniffing their own parts anthropology 648 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.559 right when you're studying it more from like a human 649 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.280 and animal behavioral way of looking at why humans behave 650 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.000 the way they do the same way animals behave the 651 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.920 way they do. Maybe I give that a little more credit, right, 652 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.239 But I don't know. I don't know. I just I know, 653 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.000 you know, some kid with blue hair and accept them 654 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.360 ring lecturing, Like lecturing this old guy on how he's 655 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.960 been colonized is not gonna work if you start talking 656 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.199 to him and you kind of get that cause I 657 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.599 feel like you could reach people like this, you can, 658 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:55.960 And that's why I want to talk to this guy. 659 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.519 I was like, hey, sir. Afterwards, I was like, can 660 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.679 you hey? 661 00:35:58.719 --> 00:35:59.039 I really? 662 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.960 I know we disagree, but like, I don't care about that. 663 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.159 I just want to hear what you like, what you feel, 664 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.840 because I see yards that are filled with the plants 665 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.559 that evolved here, and I love them. But I go 666 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:12.840 out into nature a lot, you know, And maybe that's 667 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.519 my biases. I know what nature looks like here, and 668 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.800 that's why I love this stuff so much. Maybe you 669 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.039 don't know it. I didn't want to say it that 670 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.360 way because I don't want to make the dude feel defensive, 671 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.159 you know, But maybe you know people who haven't been 672 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.719 exposed to what the nature is here, the stuff they 673 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.400 call monty, which literally just means scrub. It's like a 674 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.119 derisive term for nature. Clear the monthay right. And I've 675 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.159 never lived in a place that hates their native plants 676 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.400 more than the Rio Grand Valley does. It's crazy. I mean, 677 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.719 the way people treat the land here is fucking insane. 678 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.320 It's like a It's like they got a snuff fetish 679 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.440 for the native plants, bulldozing it, scraping it, just destroying 680 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.559 the shit out of it, scraping it just for the 681 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.800 sake of scraping it, cutting down trees even though they're 682 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:57.719 not in the way. You don't need to build anything there, 683 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.760 Scraping land even though you're not going to do anything 684 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.039 with it. You're not gonna I mean, it's it's really weird. Shit, 685 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:10.199 it's crazy. But uh, you know, I don't know, but 686 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.719 it But so I said that to him, I said, I, 687 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.559 you know, I've been studying the plants done here. They're amazing, 688 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.639 They're incredible. We got incredible stuff on here. Doesn't go 689 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.159 anywhere else the United States. Maybe it's just my bias 690 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.800 versus yours, you know, whereas like you're used to seeing 691 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.280 yards with the nicely hedged oleanders and crpe myrtles and stuff, 692 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.800 and you know, but at the end of the day, sir, 693 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.679 this is all subjective. So I just wanted to hear 694 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.039 like it doesn't matter, it's totally subjective. There's there's pragmatism 695 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.000 keeping plants out of walkways and preventing fire. Like I 696 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.159 if vegetation is dead, you have to remove it, you right, 697 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.199 Living plants don't burn unless they've got resinous oils in them, 698 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.519 like eucalyptus or you know, takaate Cyprus, both of which 699 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.800 involved with fire. But but dead plants will burn, so 700 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.840 you gotta there's you know, that's a pragmatic thing. Keep 701 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.320 the dead plants the brush out of the way, you know. So, 702 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.639 but I want to how you think about this, and 703 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.079 he he he seemed to loosen up a little bit, 704 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.599 and he just explained, you know, it just looks messy. 705 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.840 I don't like the way that it looks. It's gonna 706 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.519 drive down property values. And I said, well, that's again, 707 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.880 this is really subjective. There's no way to measure that, 708 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.880 because you know, it's one thing to just let our 709 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:24.119 yard go because you you don't care about it. When 710 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.079 we had photos of that too, we had some photos 711 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:27.960 who have people who just obviously didn't give a shit. 712 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.440 They weren't native plant gardens. They just didn't weed whack, 713 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.119 they didn't mow. They had trees that were half dead 714 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.119 in their yard with a bunch of invasive bullshit spreading 715 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.199 up on that. So we had examples to be like, look, 716 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.960 this is a obviously cared for yard. Here's one that 717 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.559 someone just let go. But you know, he seemed to 718 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.239 loosen up. He was even like, well after hearing some 719 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.280 of the stuff you guys said in there, because during 720 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.119 the meeting we talked about the heat Island. You know, 721 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.320 the guy that hates plants, the city manager didn't give 722 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.840 a fuck. He would look like he would have much 723 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.480 rather been somewhere else. Had no effect on him, just 724 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.639 totally out the launch. Doesn't care. He's not gonna there's 725 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:04.559 no way to change him. 726 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:04.719 You know. 727 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.760 Lets you throw a bag over his head, give him 728 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.920 some psilocybin mushrooms, take him to a van, you know, 729 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.079 take him out to the desert and force him to 730 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:13.800 see the beauty in it for six hours. Even then, 731 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.119 it probably won't work. He'll probably just you know, call 732 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.360 the cops and file kidnapping charges on you, which is 733 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:24.400 a totally understandable reaction. I get it. So but this guy, 734 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.000 this this old guy, got to loosen up. But again, 735 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.920 you know, when I even asked him, I was like, what, 736 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.440 oh what is your name? He told me of rome Romeo? 737 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.559 And I was like, oh Romeo. You mean Romeo right, 738 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.400 He's like yeah Romeo, Like yeah, see that's again. That's 739 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.320 how you that's you get it. That's how you get it. 740 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:41.599 You know. 741 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.400 It's weird. The two guys that that shot that the 742 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.760 two ICE agents that shot that murdered that guy in Minneapolis, 743 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.199 Uh Preddy Alex Preddy. They were from here, right, same thing, 744 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.800 Jesse Jesse not hejeseus Jesse Right, it's this weird shit man. 745 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.280 And I understand where it comes from. It's because the 746 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.840 honky doth go. Now I'm talking about culturally honky. Okay, Now, 747 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.239 this is not an anti white person thing. I'm saying 748 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.480 culturally white. You could be and as I know more 749 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.800 than anyone else, you can be Mexican and be culturally white. 750 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.440 You could be very culturally white, right, Mexican in melanin 751 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.920 content only or maybe not even. And there's a lot 752 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.800 of really obnoxious white passing Mexican Americans, many of them 753 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.360 that many of them don't like me to hang out 754 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.280 in expensive coffee shops and whatever, you know what I mean. 755 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.679 But you know, so this is I don't know. It 756 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.760 was just it was a weird thing. But I feel 757 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.880 I feel better now understanding it a lot since I 758 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.840 understand a lot better and also seeing like, man, if 759 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.400 that's all it is, all you got to do is 760 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.159 teach people how dope the plants are here and how 761 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.599 fucking cool they are, and how to take pride in 762 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:04.840 them and lightly, lightly imply that maybe they've been duped, 763 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.480 maybe they've been bamboozled a little bit. Right, then maybe 764 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.400 you can start to change things. Right, don't fucking go 765 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.719 lecture them and shit on them and oh you just 766 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.360 the colonies, but you know, you just. 767 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:20.360 Maybe this happened. 768 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.280 You know, why do you hate the nature here? Why 769 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.760 do you hate mosquites? You know, they're actually they're an 770 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.119 edible tree. They're hearty as hell and drought in full sun. 771 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.519 They're really cool plants. You go to Tucson, south south 772 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.880 southern Arizona, a lot of cities use mosquits. They embraced 773 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.559 their Look at what Brad Lancaster did in his neighborhood, right, 774 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.719 he created like a native food for it. Really cool stuff. Right. 775 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.559 Why do you hate mosquites? Well, they're invasive and they 776 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.239 suck up all the way. Well, they don't really suck 777 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:47.960 up all the water. They're free out of fight. So 778 00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.159 they send roots down really really deep, and they've got 779 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.400 some wonderful adaptations for surviving drought. They basically go drought deciduous. 780 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.039 They lose all their leaves. They also bring water up 781 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.280 from way deep and give it to their feeder roots 782 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.000 to redistribute it into the soil around their feeder roots, 783 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.960 which are shallower, more lateral roots. And then that also 784 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.599 basically brings up water to anything that's around them. And 785 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.960 so they're kind of like a water pump that can 786 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.639 benefit the plants around them. They're really wonderful trees. And 787 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.280 also yeah, they're edible. They were really important food source 788 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.800 for native people lived here in fifteen thou twenty thousand years. 789 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.920 You know, maybe the reason that people don't like them 790 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.039 is because they come so they become such an abundant 791 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.000 tree due to their resistance to being eaten by cows 792 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.280 once you've overgrazed a spot and not done rotational grazing. 793 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.960 So maybe the reason the mesquites are so abundant and 794 00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:46.440 thriving is because the cattle weren't rotated, right, same thing 795 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.360 that happens with prickly pair right. And also, mesquites lose 796 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.480 those two inch long spines when they get tall. You'll 797 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.239 never see long spines on a mature mesquite. You don't 798 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.079 see them because they're a way of energy to produce. 799 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.039 There's no point in producing something if you're already tall 800 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.119 enough and big enough that herbivores can't reach your foliage anyway, right, 801 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.800 you start laying it on the same thing like uh, 802 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.400 my friend Red would do when he was doing labor 803 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.960 organizing in Chicago, right, he would he would work with 804 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:23.360 obviously racist, obviously racist white dudes, white working class guys 805 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.639 on the South Side, And he would be going in 806 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.760 there trying to organize a fucking switchman's union or engineers 807 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.000 or whatever. And he would go in there and they'd 808 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:32.880 say some, they'd drop some, they'd say some. You know, 809 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.880 racist shit is tends to happen on South Shide of 810 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:41.039 Chicago and white neighborhoods about blacks or whatever the fuck 811 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.320 whoever they've got a beef with, probably just mostly blacks 812 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.320 and and And rather than going, oh, wow, I'm not 813 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.719 gonna wig with you, yikes, he would just you fucking 814 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.320 ignore it. He'd talk a focus on organizing them, and 815 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.199 then later on, when he got to know him a 816 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.360 little bit more, he would imply, well, you know, they 817 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.719 want the same thing that you do. They want the 818 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.880 same you do, and there actually you got a lot 819 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.480 more in common with them than you deal with the 820 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.000 people up top right, and a lot more in common 821 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.280 with your brothers and who are also working on the ground, 822 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.199 risking their lives out here and moving heavy equipment, and 823 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:14.679 a lot more in common with them than you do 824 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.400 with the people that run the company. So you know 825 00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.679 you want similar things. Man, and it would work. It 826 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:26.719 would fucking work. Holy shit, it would work amazing, right, amazing. 827 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.519 That's how you organize people, that's how that's how you 828 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.199 get people. So anyway, that's the reason I was talking 829 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.239 to this guy, was like, I want to recruit you 830 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.559 over to our side because I've never I've done sixty 831 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.679 of these fucking yards for people, and I've never once 832 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.880 have I gotten someone who said, you know what, this sucks. 833 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.039 That'll I wanted to go back to turf grass lawn. 834 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.519 I want to go back to spending five hundred bucks 835 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.280 a month watering Bermuda and Saint Augustine grass so I 836 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:55.039 can have an open expanse that doesn't get used for anything, nothing, 837 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:57.800 a useless crop. I'm not eating it, nothing else is 838 00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.599 eating it. It's just out there to look pretty in 839 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.719 front of my house. So that when I passed by 840 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.960 it for twenty seconds pulling into my driveway at the 841 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.920 end of the day, it looks green. I can say 842 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.079 I have a nice lown and most importantly, most importantly, 843 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.480 what my neighbors think of me is really really important, 844 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:14.679 much more than it probably should be. And so I 845 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.159 want them to see my yard and equate that with 846 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.400 my societal status. Right. I've never had someone say I 847 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.079 want to go back to that. It's quite the opposite. 848 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.519 I get people who had no interest in plants or 849 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.079 birds or any of that shit texting me being like, man, 850 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.880 all this cool shit I saw coming out, this is incredible. 851 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.960 I saw a fucking kiskedi in my yard. I got butterflies. 852 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.760 What is this thing? What did you plant? I didn't 853 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.559 even see this when you planted it, But now it's, 854 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.400 you know, two years later, and it's large and flowering 855 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.159 and it looks incredible. Right, That's what I get. So 856 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.840 this stuff is addictive, and it's coming. Whether the city 857 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.840 likes or not, this stuff's coming. I just did tours. 858 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.519 I spoke to four hundred people in fucking Atlanta about 859 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.239 native plants, cool plants from all over the world, native plants, 860 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.760 and shitty landscaping. This shitty oleander landscaping. This stuff that 861 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.239 is the equivalent of a woman who thinks she's not 862 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.360 beautiful enough, who's got to put lip injections and fucking 863 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.280 gobs of sticky makeup and and butt implants in right, 864 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:12.440 and botox right like that. This is what that's literally 865 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.599 what this is. This is what it's like, it looks weird. 866 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.719 This landscaping shit looks weird. It looks unnatural. It looks 867 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.760 the range. Why do the bushes have to be hedged 868 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.880 into molars? Why does the fucking oleander? Why are you 869 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.760 planting oleander there? It doesn't it's from nine thousand miles away. 870 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.119 It's a dead zone. Why you know, I never see 871 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.239 dragonflies hanging out, and you never see all the cool 872 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.519 I walk to my I walk outside my front door. 873 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.960 I'm getting there's dragonflies, all kinds of cool. Butterflies chasing 874 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.360 each other trying to fuck. Wouldn't say that, end up 875 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.000 meeting with the city, but that I presume it's what 876 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.880 they're doing it. Look, look they're having a really good time. 877 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.079 Got you know, whiptail lizards chasing each other around, keeping 878 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.280 the roaches down. Got anoles? I got Carolina knowles and 879 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.199 the cuban of noles, those invasive ones. I got these 880 00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.280 Texas spiny lizards. I saw a spiny lizard the signs 881 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.599 of a hamburger the other I mean, fuck man, it's amazing. 882 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.159 Why would you not want that? Why would I don't 883 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.039 understand how you know, and you start to show people 884 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.039 this and you don't do it accusatory, and you don't 885 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.079 talk it like it's a flaw their character. You know, 886 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.000 you just show them lightly. It can change and it's happened. 887 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.519 It's happened, whether the city I live in like said 888 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.920 or not. And that's what something. That's what a lady said. 889 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.320 The lady said, it was actually pretty cool, said this yesterday. 890 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.920 She's like, people are already doing this, like this is 891 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.079 like regulations or not. People are already doing this. So 892 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:31.599 what do we do? 893 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:32.000 You know? 894 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.000 And it's like, well, here's what we have to think about. 895 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.480 But more importantly, why are we doing it? So that's 896 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.480 how we structured the presentation. If you're trying to do 897 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.840 this in your city structure, what is this and why 898 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.199 are we doing it? Why are we doing it? Well, 899 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.159 the heat island is a big thing. I had pictures 900 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:48.679 of the little temperature gun out there, a temperature of asphalt, 901 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.880 temperature of turf grass which was still one hundred and 902 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.360 twenty five degrees fairnight. Thank you Kyle Weiberger from the 903 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.800 Native Habitat Project. We I had my launch cause flooding 904 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.119 diagram out there. If you're feel free to use that 905 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.760 diagram right you can email me for it. Don't be 906 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:05.800 fucking wordy because I'm not going to respond or read it. 907 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:07.199 Just get straight to the point. I don't have then 908 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.559 to read emails anymore. I'm sorry. I'll send you the 909 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:14.920 launch cause flooding diagram. How the soil beneath the perennial 910 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.719 shrubs or prairie is like a dry sponge, and how 911 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:20.199 the soil beneath turf grass is like a brick. If 912 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.719 you pour water on both, which is gonna have a 913 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.280 puddle around it? Faster? Think about it. That dry sponge 914 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.480 is to get completely saturated before it runs off and 915 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.599 starts forming a puddle, right, exact same way that the 916 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.519 soil and the soil in the groundwork. Instead's what a 917 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.719 bioswale does, right. The only reason they need retention ponds 918 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.880 around all these hideous mini mold and mini malls and 919 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.400 suburban subdivisions that they build is because it's all turf 920 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.000 grass and asphalt, which leads to massive runoff. The water 921 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.800 literally can't make it into the fucking ground, and so 922 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.920 it runs off. You get massive flooding, and so they 923 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.880 have to just drain it away. They wouldn't have to 924 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.400 do that, and it certainly wouldn't have to do it 925 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.760 as much if they had native plants, native prairie plants, 926 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.440 lots of porosity in the soil. It's crazy, though, I mean, 927 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.880 the pragmatism behind this. It's not just feel good to 928 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.280 use it, you know, use a paper straw. The pragmatism 929 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.599 behind this is what it's all about. Because the way 930 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.679 we're doing things now is literally killing us. It's fucking ridiculous. 931 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.480 I was at my buddy Jose's three days ago. We 932 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:26.039 were planting. You know, he's got a barren front yard, 933 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:27.960 not anymore, but he did, and so we were planting 934 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.000 stuff there and just being out there. Man, the fucking heat, 935 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.400 because you know, the street in front of his house 936 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.960 is pretty wide, and then all the asphalt and the 937 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.239 driveway and there's no trees, and you could just feel 938 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:39.199 the heat coming at you. 939 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:39.440 Man. 940 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.480 It was fucking we were sweating our asses off. Right. 941 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.280 The sun's already down, it's dark out where. We're planting 942 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.599 shit by flashlight, and it is just fucking miserable. We 943 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.119 are roast thing. It feels like you're sitting on top 944 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.840 of a heat mat, which you are, right, So how 945 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:55.400 do you what do you do about that? Right, you 946 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.000 plant shade trees, plant trees along the street. It's where 947 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:00.840 they need to go. Luckily, we have all the legumes, right, 948 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.079 not oaks, because oaks put roots out laterally. The oaks 949 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.280 are great trees, they're not really native down here, and 950 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.199 they put lateral roots out that really fuck up sidewalks 951 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.360 and streets. But we've got all these you know, legumes right, 952 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.920 like Havardia, palins, paalo Verde, mesquites, ebonies that send roots 953 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.199 down super deep. Right. You can see this when you 954 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.440 grow them, they get four inches tall, the roots will 955 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.039 be three feet deep already. They're massive. I mean they 956 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.239 get these massively, extremely long, deep roots and they don't 957 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.320 really go out, and you can grow them in PVC 958 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.079 tubes and see this. So you plant those along the streets, 959 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.440 which of course you rarely see here unless it's a 960 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.199 poor neighborhood, a poorer working class neighborhood, and then that 961 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.360 those are the only places that keep their their native trees. 962 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.519 Where you can find native trees, maybe you'll find a 963 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.000 Mexican olive and a wealthier neighborhood, but mostly what you're 964 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.920 gonna find in the wealthy neighborhoods are oaks and crape 965 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.880 myrtles and hideous garbage like that. That's totally regionally inappropriate. 966 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.559 So you plant the native trees, which are so cool 967 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.920 and so embraced in places like southern Arizona, which have 968 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:07.000 you know, same genus, different species as Sonoran desert species 969 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.559 instead of a time of leaping thorn scrub version of 970 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:14.239 that genus, And you plant those and get you get shade, 971 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.320 You get a nice canopy to walk through onto the sidewalk. 972 00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.039 It's pleasant outside. When they flower, it smells really good, 973 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:22.880 and you don't have to do anything to them except 974 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.960 maybe pruna branch here and there. Whenever a storm blows 975 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.280 one down. I had to just take a branch off 976 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.400 a Tepawai. Hey, we got a killer thunderstorm here three 977 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.039 days ago. It came in like nobody's business. I was 978 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.920 in the fucking gym. I was looking outside. I'm like, yeah, 979 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.360 it's not gonna come. I'm checking the radar every fifteen minutes, 980 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.159 and suddenly it just fucking pisses and there's lightning right upside, 981 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.320 and I'm just fuck, yeah, I'm just so so excited, 982 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.199 you know, I'm like, fuck because it's so hot. I 983 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.079 mean already three days later. The soil is basically already dry. 984 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.519 It's been baked a shit, especially if there's no vegetation 985 00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.599 or covering on it otherwise, and it dries out like 986 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.119 a brick, a brick of fucking clay. But I was 987 00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.360 out there. I ran outside and I was just screaming. 988 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.000 I was, you know, I got a little too giddy. 989 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.639 I was excited screaming, and then a big lightning you know, 990 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.119 the reminder that oh this can actually still be dangerous. 991 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.559 This big lightning crash went off right above me. I 992 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.920 was like, oh shit, fuck Jesus Christ, get in the truck. 993 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.239 You know he's insulated. You're off the ground at least. 994 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.760 But uh, but yeah, it took down a couple branches 995 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.360 here and there. The winds just get intense and whatever. 996 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.239 You got a chainsaw, keep a chainsaw on you. I 997 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.760 learn how to, like, I get electric chainsauce, so you 998 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:35.840 can also use it the vandalize crape myrtles at night 999 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.679 without making a lot of noise. It's a really important thing. 1000 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.159 I hope there's kids out there doing that. I hope 1001 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:45.000 there's kids out there vandalizing crpe myrtles and nanthena and 1002 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.519 olean there, just go cut it down. Public property, private property. 1003 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.280 I'm just kidding. I would never advocate something criminal. But 1004 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.840 if I were joking around, which I certainly am, I'm 1005 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:57.760 just joking. If I were joking, I would say, go 1006 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:02.239 out there and just start vandalizing horticulture atrocities where it 1007 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.159 makes sense to do so. Right shopping Center. I got 1008 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.320 some crape myrtles. They look like shit. Anyways, they're dead. 1009 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.239 Maybe it would be a good idea to go cut 1010 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:11.360 them down if they're especially if they're like infested with 1011 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.280 crape myrtle bark scale, and then go plant something nice 1012 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.800 in the place of it. Right, don't even rely. You 1013 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.719 gotta keep the land, keep the landscapers away from the land. 1014 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.840 Don't let them work on any of that. They're they're 1015 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.039 gonna fuck it up. They're horrible. Unless they're like, you know, 1016 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.199 unless they've got you know, if they're people who spend 1017 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.440 time in nature, who have an ear for this stuff, 1018 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:36.360 I understand how it works. Right, those are okay, But 1019 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.639 nine out of ten, they're gonna they're gonna hedge things 1020 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.519 into molars, They're gonna make it look weird. They're gonna 1021 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:43.920 poodle dog tail all the tree. It's weird. The butt 1022 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.719 plug pruning on the trees. Everyone wants to have a 1023 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:48.960 kN of fur that looks like a butt plug. I 1024 00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.480 don't know why. It's more of that latent repression. Probably 1025 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.840 I would assume, I don't know. It's weird. Shit. It's 1026 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.000 not good for you. It's bad for you. It's bad 1027 00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.000 to be exposed to it's bad to have to be 1028 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:00.679 exposed to it and see it. When you go out 1029 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.679 to cash a check at a Bankwe everyone does mobile 1030 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.719 deposits now. But you know what I mean. You gotta 1031 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.320 go pick up a prescription at the drug store. You 1032 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.440 have to look at this filth, this trash, right, and 1033 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:14.559 that's what it is. It's this landscaping, horticultural atrocity. Shit 1034 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.360 is garbage. It's poison. It's poisoned for the land. There 1035 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.480 are always dead zones. Get rid of it. Okay. If 1036 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.000 an electric chainsaw is going to feel you more emboldened 1037 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:25.440 to do that because it doesn't make a lot of 1038 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.800 noise at ten o'clock eleven o'clock at night in a 1039 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:29.679 parking lot, by all means, go ahead and do it. 1040 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:34.159 But again I'm just joking. I would never, sincerely, you know, 1041 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:39.480 intend for anyone to go vandalize horticultural atrocities, cultivars of 1042 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:43.039 plants that evolved nine thousand miles away before they were 1043 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.039 bred for color by some knob in a greenhouse over 1044 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.679 the last century. I would never I would never advise 1045 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.679 someone to do that anyway. So by that was in 1046 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:55.159 our presentation, not vandalizing crpe myrtles, of course, but using 1047 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.039 street trees as infrastructure, using shrubs to help water infiltrate 1048 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.559 ground the evapple. We even explained the avappo transportive effect 1049 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:05.480 of you know when water goes from a liquid to 1050 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.440 a gas state when it leaves a store model poor 1051 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.079 opening on an under side of a leaf goes from 1052 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.079 liquid to a gas state and requires heat to do that, 1053 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:19.079 and it pulls that heat from this around the same 1054 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.039 way a swap cooler works. We explain this to them, 1055 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.280 even the city manager that looked thoroughly bored and unimpressed 1056 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.880 the whole time, and you could tell he'd already made 1057 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:30.039 up his mind before the the program even started. We'll 1058 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.360 get to him one day. We're all recruiting one day. 1059 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.960 There's there's no uh, there's no avoiding it. So and 1060 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.719 that was the other thing we explained. We're saying, look, this, 1061 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.239 this is different from what people have been told is 1062 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.360 what a yard should look like. But there's a way 1063 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.800 to do this right too, and so it's all a 1064 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.639 learning process. You guys will learn, you know, instead of 1065 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.119 mowing lawns, you just you hedge. You keep shit out 1066 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.480 of the walkways. You hedge the sides so that plants 1067 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.960 don't grow into the you know, you got to prune 1068 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.400 a branch here here there so it's not too dense 1069 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.400 or so it doesn't you know, fall over or spill 1070 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.679 into a neighbor's yard or hit the delivery truck when 1071 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.800 they come by. Just practical stuff like that. And that's 1072 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.639 stuff that you learn as you do this. But this 1073 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.119 is coming, whether you like it or not. It's already here, 1074 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.519 you know. And I told him that too. I was like, 1075 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.239 I just did a tour around the country. We were 1076 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.559 in la where I was in Atlanta. People are doing 1077 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:21.920 this everywhere. It's coming. This is what people want. People 1078 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.480 know that it doesn't make sense to have turf grass 1079 00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:28.079 and Saint Augustine grass and trees that require lots of 1080 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.840 irrigation because they evolved nine thousand miles away, especially when 1081 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.800 you live in a desert, that doesn't make sense anymore. 1082 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.360 It's this doesn't work. So it was a good turnout, 1083 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:41.639 you know, yeah, it was. It was all I think 1084 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.320 I was the only white dude there. Well, no, Allen 1085 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.159 was there too, Alan Williams. But it was you know, 1086 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.840 it was like it was regional. It was all my 1087 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.639 friends from the region. My buddy Eric was there, who 1088 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.400 looks like he dresses really nice, but he does look 1089 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.480 like he just got out of prison. He's super swollen, 1090 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.519 he's got shaved head. You know, he's like fifty, really 1091 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.559 fucking nice guy. He just got in the native plants 1092 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.440 last couple of years. He didn't know anything about it. 1093 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.199 He was just in the kind of into gardening and 1094 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.599 then realized how cool all the all the time a 1095 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.400 leaping thornscrub stuff. Was got really into it. He was there. 1096 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.119 He's got a really big, deep voice. So it was 1097 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.000 you know, it's good. Maybe it'll get some of the 1098 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:20.880 the people that have been in the mostly men. It 1099 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.039 was most the people that spoke out against this that 1100 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.840 didn't like it. It was mostly men. I was surprised 1101 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.920 it wasn't It wasn't a women. It was mostly it 1102 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.920 wasn't surprised. But there's I know, there's one lady in 1103 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.199 a city hall who really hates my yard. Maybe she 1104 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:37.320 loosened up a little bit. She wasn't there, but anyway, 1105 00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.639 the mayor told me she watches my videos. That was 1106 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.079 kind of funny. I was like, oh shit, Like gosh, 1107 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.239 she's like, I watched your videos. Go christ you're a fan. 1108 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.119 No tell me that you're gonna make me self conscious 1109 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.039 about what I say. No more dildo jokes for for 1110 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:56.159 me anyway, But uh, I don't think of me. You know, 1111 00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:01.239 I've I've kept the recent videos pretty pretty PG but 1112 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.639 proud of myself. Right, it's a I've made it for 1113 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.079 a more appropriate audience, trying to reach a more appropriate, 1114 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.440 more a broader audience. But yeah, but most of the 1115 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.320 resistance came from like these dudes, Like there's like like 1116 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.159 two or three, like thee Hano dudes like Dine in 1117 00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.760 the wall. You know, probably if I were to go 1118 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.400 out on a limb and guess people's ideology, I would say, 1119 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:28.280 maybe they associate plants and native plants some of them 1120 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.119 maybe maybe you know, with something like being gay. Who knows, 1121 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.360 which of course is fucking fine. But you know, in 1122 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:39.719 a heavily machismo culture, it's it's looked down upon. I 1123 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.920 don't know, I don't know, the weird cultural associations people make. 1124 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.239 But all that starts to vanish when you realize you've 1125 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.159 been bamboozled and you realize how cool the living world 1126 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.360 around you is. All that shit starts to taper off 1127 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.320 and you realize how ephemeral and goofy it is, and 1128 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.199 you'd start seeing what's real. So you know, I don't 1129 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.719 I don't fucking know, but it's it's weird, man, it's weird. 1130 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.559 You just meet these people who just are again and 1131 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.880 you can see him grasping its straws to find any 1132 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:13.440 reason that they can just mental gymnastics, reaching for anything, 1133 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.559 to find any reason, just to hate any reasoning, just 1134 00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:21.480 to hate, hate on and try to limit the native 1135 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.480 plant thing, you know, because it's messy. It's messy, and 1136 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.159 the concrete's clean, and this is a status thing. If 1137 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:32.599 you've got you know, nepals and mesquites in your yard, 1138 00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.519 you're poor and you don't take pride and where you live, 1139 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.679 don't you want to hedge it into a butt plug 1140 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.760 shape or maybe a molar shape and make it look clean, right, 1141 00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:46.119 it's fucking weird stuff. It's like Spanish colonial gardening style. 1142 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.760 It's fucking weird right down here. It's a Spanish colonial style. 1143 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.199 People aren't really going for the Victorian England look. Well 1144 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:53.639 maybe a little bit. Maybe, you know, they're trying to 1145 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.920 do some of that that shit you might see up 1146 00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.599 in Virginia. You know, I've seen some really hideous shit 1147 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:01.639 I've been on the road. I would have filmed more. 1148 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.719 When I was in South Carolina. I saw some wonderful examples. 1149 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.039 I almost wanted to do another episode of Spiritually Depraved 1150 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.440 the misery inducing Landscapes, but I didn't have the time. 1151 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:12.599 I've been really stretched for time. Time is one thing 1152 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.119 I have not had. And also it takes me three 1153 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:18.360 times as long to do anything, probably because it add 1154 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.679 the unmedicated add I haven't been taking my meedge lately, 1155 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.039 been trying to avoid it because it, you know, foxed 1156 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:26.519 with me for sleeping at night, makes it harder to 1157 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:29.840 sleep at night. So instead I just medicate with coffee 1158 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.440 and green tea and the occasional cigar. But yeah, that man, 1159 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.079 South Carolina had they did some real They're doing some 1160 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.400 real good work out there in terms of creating bleak 1161 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:46.920 artificial horticulture, it's incredible stuff. Saw so many crpe myrtles, 1162 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.760 Bradford pears surrounded by asphalt parking lots, just you know, 1163 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:56.840 dead on the inside landscape, nothing to live for. Its 1164 01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:01.960 just cultural pain spirit but you will pain and suffering, 1165 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:06.400 all right. Anyway, the little change up on subject matter. 1166 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.079 I finally got to see Echinaesia tennessee ensis, which is 1167 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.079 that endemic ecinaceous species. There are so many endemic species 1168 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:19.079 in Tennessee. It's it's wild man. Ariagonum harparai is another one, 1169 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.039 which that's a monocarpic buckwheat lives for like four to 1170 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.559 five years, flowers at the end, kind of like the 1171 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.719 genus phrase zero, which is unrelated, can get six feet tall. 1172 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.760 Once a flowers, it dies, That's what being monocarpic means. 1173 01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:37.519 And it grows on these I guess limestone rocky areas 1174 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.599 along some of the rivers there, And I got a 1175 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.239 couple points from friends. I mean, you could probably find 1176 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:46.760 if you knew what county was in you looked at 1177 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:50.440 a satellite map, you could look for areas where, you know, 1178 01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.960 just look for the bedrock at the surface but you know, 1179 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.199 all the orbarium specimens, all the locations are obscured, which 1180 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.119 is fucking stupid. Man. No one's gonna go poach a 1181 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.960 fucking buckwheat. Man, They're not right. No one's gonna go 1182 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:04.920 try to rip a buckwheet. Why were you gonna Why 1183 01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.800 are you gonna gatekeep that? It's kind of silly. It's 1184 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.280 not like an orchid or some cactus or something of 1185 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.639 the transports easily. Oh well, you'd beat spri I don't know, 1186 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.639 or like a carnivorous plant. People will definitely post a 1187 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.079 shit out of carnivorous plants. But no one's gonna go 1188 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:25.119 post a six foot tall monocarpic buckwheat. But I guess 1189 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.840 it's in the Ariagonum launge of folium complex and I 1190 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:32.000 I only became aware of its existence after Adam Black 1191 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:36.000 texted me after I had already passed. It grows like 1192 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.400 between Nashville and Knoxville. I was like, really, you told 1193 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.079 you know, you could have told me this a day ago. 1194 01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:43.519 I drove right by the fucking thing on a highway 1195 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.440 but didn't stop because I didn't know it was there, 1196 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:49.159 you know. But I was also really excited to see 1197 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.880 conrad Den ever tissilata, which is a scrub mint. The 1198 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.239 rest of the genus is in Florida has a really 1199 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.360 cool ecology. Fire dependent scrub is what the rest of 1200 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:04.280 the genus, and Florida grows in really cool bilaterally symmetrical flowers. 1201 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.880 It is in the mint family lamy ace soo zygomorphic flowers. 1202 01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:11.760 But this is a species that conray Dena vertissolada grows 1203 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:18.519 on these rivers in northeastern Tennessee where I guess there's 1204 01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:23.400 a relict population a Thuia occidentalis, you know, to eastern 1205 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.039 arbor vity which that is fucking wild. That's weird because 1206 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.679 that plant grows on like the shores of Wisconsin. You know, 1207 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.599 it's it's not something you would associate with the Cumberland Plateau. 1208 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.199 But Cumberland Plateau is kind of high in the elevation 1209 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.920 there was like eighteen hundred feet two thousand feet, So 1210 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:42.320 I can see how there would be an ice age 1211 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.159 relict that got stuck there, landlocked there and these little 1212 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:48.800 river canyons. But that's fucking wild to me. Arbor vite 1213 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.559 thuya or thujia if you if you prefer to pronounce 1214 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:58.400 the jay, not silently, but anyway, so conra a Deena Vertissolada. 1215 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.239 I was going to look for it, and there's it's 1216 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.480 on either side of this river. The side I drove 1217 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.320 to is the harder to access side. I had to 1218 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.000 basically ford my truck across two feet of water, which 1219 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:12.880 I wasn't sure was going to make it, but it did. 1220 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:14.159 So. 1221 01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:18.039 Knee height at least on me is about what you 1222 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:23.000 can drive a Toyota Tacoma through. And that's pushing it. 1223 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:24.800 You know, that's like you don't want to be in 1224 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:26.960 there long. You want to drive into it fast enough 1225 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.039 to get out, with enough momentum to get out. But 1226 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.119 it was harry for a second versus like on the 1227 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:34.639 other side of the creek that you can reach, and 1228 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.480 the creek is the bridge is destroyed. You can walk 1229 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.480 across it, but you can't. You certainly can't drive across it. 1230 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:45.599 It's fucking out. And so I guess what the ecology 1231 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.960 of this cool Conradina, this scrub mint, is that it 1232 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.639 grows in these river canyons and it grows on these 1233 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.119 these floods scoured every time it floods. That's the disturbance 1234 01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:59.000 necessary to create the clearing and eliminate any tall, super 1235 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:04.039 tall growing vegetar that might otherwise shade this plant out. 1236 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:06.719 So I made a video on it. I don't like. 1237 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.840 It's not a very it's not gonna be very good video, 1238 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:10.840 but there's some cool footage in it. At least it's 1239 01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.760 like a forty minute maybe it's twenty minute, thirty minute. 1240 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.239 And I was walking through poison ivy. I didn't get 1241 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.039 any I don't know how, me and Louis both. She 1242 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.400 was being very good, just sweating my ass off. It 1243 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:23.599 wasn't even that hot. But I'm in this river, gorgeous, 1244 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.039 humid as a nutst just oh my god. I was 1245 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.519 dripping sweat, just crawling through. We got a couple of 1246 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:33.000 ticks crawling on me walking through the brush. Really cool 1247 01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:38.960 habitat selliatris. What is it? Micro god? I forget the name, 1248 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.039 Thank God for iat because I forget the species names. 1249 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.079 It's a good way, you know, if if you have 1250 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:45.800 in at, it's like writing them down so you can 1251 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:47.679 study them. What did I see? What was that liatris? 1252 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:49.480 I saw on such and such, So it's mostly what 1253 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:56.920 I use ininet for. But microcephala, yeah, micro head. So 1254 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:58.639 I got that there was that every There were some 1255 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.719 fucking cool plants. There are tons solid aggos. I stopped 1256 01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.519 in a beautiful savannah before that, which I still need 1257 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.880 to make a video on that beautiful Tennessee savannah. Just 1258 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:13.199 fucking gorgeous, man, just I mean a true savannah, like 1259 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:18.039 three foot tall four foot tall scrub with oaks scattered intermittently. 1260 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.760 Just a beautiful fucking sight. And I saw this die 1261 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:25.360 ernold sphinx moth out hitting all these plants. Fuck, it 1262 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.400 was so cool. Let me look up the species name 1263 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:29.519 so I can give it to you if you want 1264 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.199 to look it up that you know that savannah was 1265 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.760 a hold on, let me put up. God. Moths are 1266 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.559 so fucking dope. They're so cool. God damn it. Harvest 1267 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.800 durance through that's a separate conversation. But if you don't 1268 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:42.880 like harvesturance, you're an asshole. I've been going around to 1269 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:46.960 different fire ant mounds and killing them either with boiling 1270 01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:50.119 water or with this poison that they supposedly sequester into 1271 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.280 their nest. I think boiling water is the best way 1272 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.599 to go, though. Go heat up. I got a one 1273 01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:59.039 gallon thermos. I'll fill it up with with boiling water 1274 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:00.599 and then go pour it on the nest. I hate 1275 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.039 those fuckers fire ants. Plus they kill the harvest dants. 1276 01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:05.599 Harvest dants are cool. They're big, they're red. They're scary, 1277 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.760 the Texas harvester rant. But unless you're standing on a nest, 1278 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.440 they're not gonna bite you or sting you. Rather right, 1279 01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.159 they'll just totally ignore you, and they're they're just cool. 1280 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.920 I fucking love ants, and they're important food source for 1281 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.719 many of the lizards, especially the horned lizards. But you know, 1282 01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:24.039 the invasive fire ants fuck all that up. You can 1283 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:25.880 also tell what's a fire ant. The fire ants are 1284 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:28.079 very small, they're red. I don't need to tell anybody 1285 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.440 in the Southeast at of course they're familiar with fire 1286 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.599 ants that gets stung by them. But you know, you 1287 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.320 can tell a fire by the kind of nest that 1288 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:39.679 makes just like these, like these mounds, like you know, 1289 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.719 mounds of soil versus the harvester ants just create those 1290 01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.079 little crater holes and then they clear everything around them. 1291 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.360 I don't know what happened to the leaf cut I 1292 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:50.360 had leaf cutter ants. I think my neighbor killed them. 1293 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:55.119 She was I met her when she moved in. She's 1294 01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:56.800 an old lady. I don't speak a word of English, 1295 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.559 and she was, you know, she was telling me. She's like, 1296 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.159 what do you do? And she's like, I'm killing the 1297 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.960 ants and like, but these, she's like, they're coming inside. 1298 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:05.679 I'm like, those those are leafcutter ants. Man, They're not 1299 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:07.760 coming inside your house. There's no reason for There's nothing 1300 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.239 for them in there, right, there's there's that's like, uh, 1301 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.000 it's like catching like a daddy bear going into like 1302 01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.719 a straight porno shopper. So there's no there's nothing for 1303 01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:17.359 him in there. Well maybe I don't know. I guess 1304 01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.279 you could be great whatever. Anyway, the point is, the 1305 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:22.800 point is the leaf cutter ants aren't going in your house. 1306 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:24.960 And so but then she's like, okay, well you want 1307 01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:26.840 some you want some of this poison to kill you. 1308 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.079 I just like no. And then after that, these magnificent 1309 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.520 colonies of leaf cutter ants, which I liked, just disappeared. 1310 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:36.760 I didn't see him anymore. So, uh, hopefully there's still 1311 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:38.760 a lot, you know, I imagine they're still alive. They 1312 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:43.880 they maybe they're just dormant, dormant feeding their fungus. They're Uh, 1313 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.640 I'd love to see that fungus fruit. I wonder what 1314 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:48.920 species of fungus. Okay, I'm getting distracted here. Let's go 1315 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.920 back to this. The diurnal sphinx moth in the oaks 1316 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.119 Savannah was himarus thisby fifby? What is it? What's the 1317 01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:59.560 common and kind? What a beautiful fucking moth. It's like 1318 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:06.359 bay beige, uh, top half of the body with reddish 1319 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.319 kind of translucent wings. Really cool. I had no idea 1320 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.640 what this was. It looks and it looks like a hummingbird. 1321 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.560 It's got a little beak. I wonder if that prevents 1322 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.760 it from getting eaten. Maybe I don't know, but it was. 1323 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.359 It sure was love on att mo Narta. How many 1324 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:26.399 different Pygnanthemum species did I see? How many different Pygnanthemum 1325 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:27.600 species did I see? 1326 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:28.680 Uh? 1327 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.800 In the East coast, let's see did I during this again? 1328 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:35.880 Louisville down to North Carolina, South Carolina, eastern Tennessee. There's 1329 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.119 Pygnathumum everywhere. They all are fucking I had no idea 1330 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.279 that was such a species rich genus. Oh my god. Okay. 1331 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:49.600 Three species in Tennessee Orticellatum, tenuifolium and Lumythia loomis Loomis. 1332 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:54.479 It's the street in Chicago. I also saw some uh, 1333 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:59.479 some good stuff in oak Ridge. I went and visited 1334 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:04.159 my friend Jacob, who teaches at Knoxville. He's the let's botanize, 1335 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.319 Let's botanize that guy. He does the Let's botanize page. 1336 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.840 Really nice guy. Him and his friend whose name I forget. 1337 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:12.720 I'm really sorry. Fuck, I feel like a dick now. 1338 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.960 But I went and visited him at the school that 1339 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:23.439 he teaches at. Saw his amazing moss or his amazing 1340 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:28.079 fern poster alternation of generations fern poster. He's got his 1341 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:30.119 own office and shit, man, it's real nice up there. 1342 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:33.920 I mean, I'm telling you. He's a Czechoslovakian interior designer. Okay, sorry, 1343 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:40.000 Sopranos Reverend. He's His bookshelf is fantastic. So I didn't 1344 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:42.640 get I didn't get anywhere near enough time to google 1345 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.359 the books that he had. But we went down to 1346 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:47.920 the lab. Showed me some of the work. He's doing 1347 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:53.520 cross sections of fern stems for you know, doing looking 1348 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.520 at vasculature around him, met all the kids in his lab. 1349 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.359 It was cool, it was cool, it was a nice 1350 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.600 nice I didn't have enough time. I only had like 1351 01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:03.199 an hour to stop in because I had to be 1352 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:06.520 where the fuck was I going. Was I doing Louisville 1353 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.880 that night? No, I had to be in Kulowie. Louisville 1354 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:10.039 is on the other side of the state. I had 1355 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:15.560 to be in Kulowe the next day. So, and Kulowe 1356 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:17.760 is always nice, but they're there. It's like the Native 1357 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:19.920 Plant Conference, but they're doing it in someplace. To say, 1358 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:21.880 Oh God, you know where I was? I forgot that much. 1359 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.199 I was in Chattanooga too. I did a show in Chattanooga, Tennessee, 1360 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.880 which is such a fucking wonderful town. You know. The 1361 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.479 first time I ever blew into Chattanooga was on a 1362 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:34.880 freight train around two thousand and three. Used to be 1363 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:36.560 a big punk scene there. I think there still is, 1364 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.840 maybe punkin or whatever. Anyway, and so I hung out 1365 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.800 there and it's got a really nice vibe, really like 1366 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:53.720 old school, you know, buildings, kind people, pretty fucking chill. Yeah, man, 1367 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:58.560 it's Chantanooga's nice. I forgot about that. Yeah. So anyway, 1368 01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:02.600 so Chattanooga Memphis on the way back, hung out with 1369 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.079 habitat Harry. I don't know if you know him, really 1370 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:08.520 fun guy, kind of looks like a young hazel Ankins. 1371 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:12.319 And we went out to this Arkansas prairie. Afterwards, I 1372 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.439 was just sweating my balls off. God, it was fucking 1373 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.119 brutal there, man, it was so hot. I got to 1374 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.760 see a lot of cool stuff though in this prairie, 1375 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:27.920 this well maintained prairie that's burned, became I became much 1376 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:32.880 more in the last month, much more solidified in my fire, 1377 01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.319 my respect and admiration for how important fire is to 1378 01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:43.079 the ecology of the Midwest and East Coast. Absolutely imperative 1379 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.399 that these places burn at a reasonable interval, you know, 1380 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.479 and that people study the fire ecology there and how 1381 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:54.760 important it is. It was because before you know, I think, 1382 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:58.039 before Native Americans started burning, which they did for a 1383 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.359 long time, you know, megafauna and storms were of course 1384 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:08.720 the big disturbance event that these landscapes got right. And 1385 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:13.560 so that's what I mean, disturbance is what keeps these 1386 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.960 spaces alive, right, just like the Conrad Dean of Urtisslada 1387 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:22.600 growing and the river is in northeastern Tennessee, beautiful Morgan County, Tennessee. 1388 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:24.960 What river was this too? It was in the Catosa 1389 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.119 Wildlife Management Area. Just like they need disturbance in the 1390 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:32.880 form of floods. All those plants need disturbance, mostly in 1391 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.760 the form of fire. Oh yeah, it was on Daddy's creek. 1392 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:41.239 I forgot Daddy's creek. Come on down the Daddy's creek. 1393 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:43.319 That was weird too. I know this is all over 1394 01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:46.000 the place. I apologize for the disjointed nature of this rent. 1395 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.359 The subject matter is scattered throughout, just shotgun throughout this 1396 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:53.720 last thirty minutes of the podcast, like ping pong balls. 1397 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.119 But what was said was I was on that creek. 1398 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:01.560 I was on Daddy's Creek in Morgan, Tennessee, northeastern Tennessee, 1399 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:05.479 on the Cumberland Plateau looking for conrad deina vertissolada, this disjunct, 1400 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:09.279 this Florida disjunct right or disjunct of a Florida genus, 1401 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:15.399 and I only found Holy hell, I think like four 1402 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:20.439 plants maybe right opposite leaves. It looks like a It 1403 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:24.399 looks like a member of astracy, a purple flowered, a 1404 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.439 purple ray flowered member of astracy that grows in the 1405 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.159 same habitat. But of course Conradina, being in the min 1406 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.640 family lamy Ace has opposite leaves, not alternate leaves. Yeah, 1407 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.600 that Conradina grows with Ionactis Linaria folia, it's and it's 1408 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:43.079 which has again arochoid leaves, which arochoid again after the 1409 01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:47.199 genus Erica, which is in South Africa, or with this 1410 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:52.199 this morphological general shape came from, uh, you know, narrow, 1411 01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.680 thin leaves, reducing surface area, obviously in adaptation to more 1412 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.680 sun exposure, uh, dealing with temporary drought, et cetera. That 1413 01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:03.960 ionactus was wild, though I thought it was a cynthio 1414 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:08.199 tricum or something. I did not have ionactus on my 1415 01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:14.199 fucking Bingo carden. So yeah, so that was but so 1416 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:17.079 and they it's you could see that they have a 1417 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.880 similar shape, probably because they grow on these rocky areas 1418 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:26.039 in floods, scoured areas of the river. And again you're 1419 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.119 in this like deep. I think it's metamorphic rock, this 1420 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.800 deep canyon. What is the range on this ionactus? By 1421 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.439 the way, God, it was a fucking cool one. I 1422 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:39.279 bet it's small, is it not? It says it's scattered throughout, 1423 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.920 scattered throughout the east dud suppose Eader someone Wisconsin. I 1424 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.520 bet the habitat is always the same though like somewhat 1425 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:52.039 rocky sun exposed Applealachia. Suppose so you get some in 1426 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:54.039 New York. It's a great fucking species. It'd be a 1427 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:56.279 great species to go up against the sidewalking like a 1428 01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:01.319 native plant garden in Pennsylvania, Delaware, North Carolina. Shit, great, 1429 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.640 great plant. From what I know about, it doesn't get 1430 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.520 that tall, tops out of eighteen inches, which is about 1431 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.159 what Conradina tops out at. But I only saw four 1432 01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:13.680 or five Conradinas despite searching for them for two hours. 1433 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.640 One was growing in shade. There's a lot of other 1434 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:21.560 cool stuff though. And again there's like boulders scattered throughout 1435 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:25.159 this habitat. So it's a it's a river, but there's 1436 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:29.800 boulders scattered throughout the sandy banks. There was yucca growing 1437 01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:35.119 on the sandy banks. It's it's a fucking cool it's 1438 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:38.640 a cool place. Daddy's Creek. Come on down to Daddy's Creek, 1439 01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:42.840 come on down to the Morgan County Daddy bear party 1440 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.239 here down here on Daddy's Creek. I don't know, whatever 1441 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:48.159 the fuck you know, that's what that's where my imagination goes. 1442 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:54.159 So God, but uh oh, there was a weird white 1443 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.920 flowered u trochium. I saw two. It didn't identify that 1444 01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:03.479 Helianthus hersutis pas anonyma. I suppose is that what that is? 1445 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:04.279 Is that correct? 1446 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:06.600 Yeah? 1447 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:11.239 I guess so, yeah, pakra ananima sylphiusterecus. But yeah, but 1448 01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:14.920 oak Ridge was dope. There was and Jacob pointed those 1449 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:18.479 spots out to me. In oak Ridge, Tennessee, which is 1450 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.000 kind of close to Knoxville, and he's like forty five 1451 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:26.439 minutes away. There was some prairie areas or they were glades, 1452 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.359 and I saw a massive blooming of man fraid of Virginica, 1453 01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:31.079 which was fucking great to see. 1454 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:31.279 Man. 1455 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:35.359 I mean, as you've got this you know, herbaceous agave basically, 1456 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.520 so it's got a bull that can dive back to 1457 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:40.199 the leaves are succulent and juicy, but don't have the 1458 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.039 sharp spines, and they're not caraceous and stiff like a 1459 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:46.039 gave leaves are. But the flower is basically the same. 1460 01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.520 They get these four or five foot tall inflorescences with 1461 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.840 these really ornate or they're not ornate, but large moth 1462 01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:00.720 pollinated flowers on them. Bees will hit it too. I saw, 1463 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:02.640 you know, bumblebees hitting it. But you could tell this 1464 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.079 thing evolved with moths, but probably stays open during the 1465 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:08.560 day to ensure it gets hit. And so they were 1466 01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.840 like god, fifty or sixty of them going out in 1467 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:13.720 this little glade area near a junior high But man, 1468 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.239 it was there was not much left, you know, there 1469 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.840 was not much of this land left, of this habitat left. 1470 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:21.800 Most of it had been developed or due to fire suppression, 1471 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:25.640 had been overgrown. So and you can really see that again. 1472 01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.199 That's another thing you see. You could see throughout the 1473 01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:32.159 East Coast and even the Midwest. You suppress fire and 1474 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.479 things just get smothered out. They get light starved, They 1475 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:39.119 gets too dense. It turns into a fucking mess. You 1476 01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:43.399 get the shitty woods and prairies disappear, they get woody encroachment. 1477 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:48.560 I mean this stuff Kyle Ibarger showed me in Alabama, 1478 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:52.720 you know, beneath the power line, but beneath some massive 1479 01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:57.119 high voltage power lines where it's the power line. The 1480 01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.920 power line company comes and clears it mechanically, which is disturbance. 1481 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.039 It's not as good as fire, but it's still disturbance. 1482 01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.359 There's still all these cool plants, pedio mealiums, prickly pairs 1483 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:10.199 in Alabama. But then I'm growing on top of this 1484 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:12.800 thin soiled carstick limestone. But then on either side of 1485 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:15.119 the power line is meant. The only thing that changes 1486 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.199 is you're not but you're not beneath the power lines 1487 01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:19.479 meant anymore. In the power line companies no longer mowing 1488 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:24.279 and mechanically removing the woody encroachment, and the junipers on 1489 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:26.640 the sides of that where they're not doing anymore, you 1490 01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:30.680 get junipers just springing up, and it becomes thick quote cedar, 1491 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.000 because it's not really seedar, they're junipers, but they call 1492 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:36.479 it cedar woodland. And so everything gets light starved, and 1493 01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.680 the diversity just disappears, and it looks like shit, and 1494 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.399 it's super dense and looks like shit, and you gotta 1495 01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:43.560 get tons of ticks, so you got to burn it. 1496 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:48.239 The how resistant some people are to the idea that 1497 01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:51.079 fire is important to the psychology, I will never get 1498 01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.760 over right. I mean, I do understand it. These are 1499 01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.960 ecologically illiterate people. They just need to become literate. They 1500 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.319 just need to understand the landscapes some more time nature 1501 01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.359 and think about it. Huh, why is it different? Why 1502 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:07.720 is it so different here? Versus here. It's a it's 1503 01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:11.600 not this way. What's changing. What's the one element that's changing? Okay, 1504 01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:19.119 mechanical removal or control burning? Huh, all right, shout out 1505 01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:23.680 to Dave. Shut out to Dave Coulton in Ah. What 1506 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.439 is the name Woodfield where I forget the name of 1507 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.520 his town, suburb of Chicago. He's been burning his yard. 1508 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:33.239 He's got beds of prairie plants separated by what are 1509 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:38.079 efficiently effectively fire breaks of mode turf grass paths that 1510 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:42.720 he just still mows. And uh, but he just has 1511 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:44.920 the turf grass only in places where there's a path 1512 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.359 separating these beds, which again acts as an effective fire break, 1513 01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:51.399 and then he lights the beds on fire in spring. 1514 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.319 He does it in spring. Jerry Wilhelm doesn't in fall. 1515 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:56.720 Also living in a suburban neighborhood at the end of 1516 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.039 a cul de sac where your neighbors might call the 1517 01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.319 cops on you, which they did, But he still burns. 1518 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:06.359 He's been doing it thirty years now. So Jerry's been 1519 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:08.600 burning forty years. You can see the video I just 1520 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:15.439 put out two days ago on August third. So but yeah, 1521 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:18.319 but so Dave burns these beds the fire takes five 1522 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:20.399 minutes to burn all the brush down. There's no woody 1523 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.760 material because these are all arebaceous perennials. These are native 1524 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.479 prairie plants, so it's not dense wood that's burning. It 1525 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:30.439 burns pretty quickly, and he was using an actual drip torch, 1526 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.880 which means you can burn even when it's still pretty 1527 01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.560 wet out, or you can at least get the fire going, 1528 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.760 which is probably safer. But Jerry doesn't use the drip torch. 1529 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.520 He just lights it with a match. So yeah, really 1530 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.359 cool stuff. Anyway, So back to Tennessee. So I was 1531 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.720 looking for this Conradina only found four or five plants. 1532 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:52.159 Really cool habitat, saw a bunch of other cool shit. Regardless, 1533 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.159 none of the conra deenas were flowering. I don't know 1534 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.439 when they do. I would assume maybe it's in spring, 1535 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.479 maybe fall, I don't know, but yeah, but it was 1536 01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:05.760 a really fascinating habitat Oakridge, Tennessee. Lots of cool stuff. 1537 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:10.920 Two prairies there. One is kind of next to some 1538 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:13.920 old train tracks. I think it's some old railroad bed, 1539 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:16.640 but I'm sure if you go to if you're in Oakridge, 1540 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.640 you could look at the I naturalist app and just 1541 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:22.439 see where all the plant observations are, and you'll see 1542 01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:24.159 it a lot of cool stuff there in both of 1543 01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:28.359 those sites in Oakridge, Tennessee. Then the Nashville Glades. I 1544 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:32.239 think I went to Couchville Cedar Glade. Dope spot well maintained. 1545 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:34.760 You can tell they do seasonal burning too. There was 1546 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.159 a roos Aromatica air that I could have sworn was 1547 01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:42.239 poison ivy. Looked just like it, but of course poison ivy. 1548 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:47.000 That distal leaf, the furthest most leaf on a branch, 1549 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:50.039 has a petiole on it. But damn, that was a 1550 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.640 I mean, russ Aromatica has so many different ecotypes. I 1551 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.000 don't know if it's considered a species complex or what, 1552 01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:59.840 but it's there's ecotypes all over it. Six thousand feet 1553 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:04.279 in the Sierra Mandre of Nuevo Leon to uh, you know, 1554 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:10.840 ecotypes I've seen in Mohave County, Arizona, to this weird 1555 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:15.479 one I saw east of Nashville at the Couchville Cedar Glades. 1556 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.720 It's there's so many different variations on it species and 1557 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.000 I don't really understand it. It's like, why isn't it 1558 01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:23.920 just evolving through a different species. I don't know. I 1559 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.039 don't know what the constraints are on it genetically, but 1560 01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:30.439 it looks different. I mean, the flowers still look the same, 1561 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:33.680 but the leaf shape, the different populations just have such 1562 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.079 a drastically different leaf shape that it'll fool you into 1563 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:39.680 thinking it's a different plant. But those Coulchville Cedar Glades 1564 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:43.880 was Echinasia, Tennessee Census, some really cool limestone. There was 1565 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:51.199 a there was a seedum there, the seedum pulchellum, a 1566 01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:55.720 lot of really interesting stuff and aglinis little blue stems 1567 01:23:55.720 --> 01:24:00.199 sky Zachrum scoparium, as well as a lineum species, a 1568 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.439 flax species growing on those thin soils. You forba corolatta too, 1569 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:07.840 And it looks like in places the ground's literally been 1570 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:11.439 paved with limestone. It's a really really cool site. If 1571 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:14.039 you live in Nashville. First off, I'm sorry to hear 1572 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.439 that in my regards, but second, you got to get 1573 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:18.600 out to Couchville Cedar Glades or any of the other 1574 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:22.600 limestone glades east of Nashville to look at some of 1575 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:24.720 the cool shit that's growing there, because it is fucking dope. 1576 01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:27.239 Does manthis Illinois insist, which is that plant suppose he 1577 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:29.880 has DMPTY in it. You know, that's a good way 1578 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:31.840 to get the drug, bros In. Get people who just 1579 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.600 are into like growing psychoactive plants at first, get him 1580 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:37.039 interested in the colgy, tell them something's got d empty 1581 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:41.079 in it. Just start making it up, eh, psychoactive. Yeah, 1582 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:42.680 you know, you could use the roots or something to 1583 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:44.800 make sure it's not a poisonous plant. But you know, 1584 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.840 just to get them excited about it. It makes them 1585 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.199 maybe they'll start looking at other stuff in that habitat too. 1586 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:55.399 All right, anyway, I fuh making it through this podcast slowly. 1587 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.960 I'm doing shows in Albuquerque. Got a show coming up 1588 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:03.479 in Albuquerque, New Mexico on August twelfth. I'm doing a 1589 01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:06.359 show at Denver Botanic Gardens. You can buy tickets at 1590 01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:12.520 their website just typing Denver Botanic Gardens Joey Santori. I guess, 1591 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:14.319 I guess it's how you would look for it. That 1592 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:18.479 seems reasonable. And then I'm doing another one at High Dive, 1593 01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:21.159 which is a bar or a brewery, one of those 1594 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:26.239 two in Denver on August eighteenth. And then I'm head 1595 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:28.199 of the fuck home and I'm gonna relax for like 1596 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:32.199 a month, or try to. I've also got I got 1597 01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:36.520 a third book coming out next year that we're finishing 1598 01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:40.039 up right now, a lot of interesting plants from all 1599 01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:41.560 over the world. It's going to be a photo book. 1600 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.720 It's like a nice coffee table book. And that should 1601 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:49.239 be let's see, that should be out. I'm not sure 1602 01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.279 when it's coming out. I think next spring or fall. 1603 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.119 I think next fall. And then I've got these little 1604 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.239 mini photo books that I just put together myself. Limited run, 1605 01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:00.439 only a few hundred copies. You could buy those from 1606 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:05.199 me on tour, or I might do mail order. I 1607 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:07.039 might have think I might get like one more run 1608 01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:10.800 printed and do them on mail order. They're only eighty pages, 1609 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:12.520 they're not that long, but they got a lot of 1610 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.720 cool shitting. I'm just a little six inch by six 1611 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:21.199 inch square, cool plants, cool photos, and uh descriptions of habitat. 1612 01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:26.000 And I'm really proud of the captions, very very educational captions, 1613 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:29.359 jam packed with information. So I got that going on, 1614 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.119 and then uh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm going to Bolivia 1615 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:37.000 in late September, and I think we're planning a Peru 1616 01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:43.760 trip in November. Me and Allen souh. Yeah, we'll be 1617 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:47.760 selling tickets to that too. Come come join us in Peru. 1618 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.880 We're gonna go look at Trico Sirius and Habitat and 1619 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:52.479 then go to the We're gonna be in the dry 1620 01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:54.760 side of the Andes. We're gonna go look at the 1621 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.640 Puya Rimandi I and then we're gonna go to some 1622 01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:02.119 of the wet areas of the Andes as well to 1623 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:04.000 go look at cool mushrooms. So it should be a 1624 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:10.000 good time. Yeah, and so yeah, come join us. I'll 1625 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.039 be posting that on social media as in promoting it 1626 01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:17.760 as I get as I put start putting together. But 1627 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:22.399 it's gonna be I think November eighteenth, for like past Thanksgiving. 1628 01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.119 It's gonna be like nine or ten days. But you'll 1629 01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:28.319 miss Thanksgiving with your family if you come on this trip. 1630 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.600 Maybe it's not a good idea, but you know a 1631 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:32.920 lot of people they got shitty families or they don't 1632 01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.640 do anything for Thanksgiving anyway, So those are the that's 1633 01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:40.479 the target audience. Yeah. So anyway, another cool spot I 1634 01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:42.800 was at that I want to talk about was South 1635 01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:48.079 Carolina and some really cool oaks savannahs. Fire maintained oak 1636 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:53.119 savannahs also dominated by what I think was a like 1637 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:58.119 a metamorphous sandstone. I think it was quartzitic maybe quartzitic 1638 01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.600 sandstone or it was just like a thick, but it was. 1639 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:05.319 It was outside of Columbia. What what where was this exect? Oh? Yeah, 1640 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:09.720 that's it peach tree Rock, which has really interesting geology 1641 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:13.039 on it. And they they had just done a burn 1642 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:19.520 and all these arochoids like Vaccinium staminium were coming up, 1643 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.800 were re sprouting, just robust as hell, you know. And 1644 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:25.560 that's when you can really see like when this, especially 1645 01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:28.479 the aircacious stuff, after a burn, it comes back so 1646 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.800 robust and vibrant because it's got these massive root systems. 1647 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.840 It's resprouting from all the competition has been cleared, it's 1648 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.159 gotten some rain, and it just takes off. It's really 1649 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.520 really interesting to see. But it was a long leaf 1650 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.880 pine savannah and they they burn it. There was galasacci 1651 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.279 A demosa as well, another member of eric case Lyatrius 1652 01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:54.600 tenuifolia wasn't blooming yet, but really really narrow spiriform like 1653 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:59.880 a spire three to four foot tall. Iatrius species uh 1654 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.000 Pitiopsis aspera, which is the grass leave. It's a it's 1655 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:06.319 I forget the name of it. It's like it's basically 1656 01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:10.119 like a daisy relative that has very linear leaves, narrow 1657 01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:15.560 leaves the whole genus Pitiopsis. This was Petiopsis, aspra Casmanthium laxum, 1658 01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:23.439 cool grass species, sea oats inland sea oats, tons of hypericombs, 1659 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:30.479 pence them. In Australis Tafrozia virginiana Nitis skullus stimulosis was there, 1660 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:32.039 so you get a little bit of this element from 1661 01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:36.560 like the Florida sand sand scrub growing there as well. 1662 01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:39.439 There was man afraid of Virginica. Of course. I was 1663 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:44.000 hoping to see some timber rattlers but did not come across. 1664 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:47.520 Some Cleatoria was there. Everybody loves cleatoria, of course, how 1665 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.239 could you not with a name like that around an 1666 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:56.279 area tecta bamboo relative Tragia urines and then Cyrilla rasima flora, 1667 01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.760 which was growing like out of bare rock. Tell me 1668 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:03.680 a box of folio was there too. Kalmia one of 1669 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.640 the the other plant known as mountain laurel that doesn't 1670 01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:08.960 grow in the mountains and has no relationship to laurel. 1671 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:12.960 Just the ridiculousness of common names, right, contrary to what 1672 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.800 is known in Texas as Mount Laurel, which is Dermatophylum 1673 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:22.159 secunda florum from a completely unrelated family. So uh. Anyway, 1674 01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:25.760 but it was growing with cyrilla like at this rocky area, 1675 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.199 and I guess Peachtree Rock it was called because there 1676 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:31.199 was the way that this rock eroded. It looked like 1677 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:34.119 a peach tree. It was like a you know, a 1678 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:37.079 trunk with a canopy above it. It had that kind 1679 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:40.720 of shape, and I guess some jackass knocked it down. 1680 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.239 You always people are wont to do just mindless performative destruction. 1681 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:48.560 But there was a lot of good stuff there, and 1682 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.159 it was hot as balls, but we were in the 1683 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:51.800 we were in the shade the whole time. It was 1684 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.680 like ninety five degrees nine ninety degrees maybe a little 1685 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.880 bit more, but with really high humidity. But we were 1686 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.920 in the shade the whole time, so it was it 1687 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:03.520 was pleasant, it was cool, you know, and of course 1688 01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:08.600 you got that burned understory. Yeah, there was a lot 1689 01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:09.359 of good stuff there. 1690 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:09.760 Uh. 1691 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:13.800 Clethra tomentosa do you know the clethras? Do you know? 1692 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:18.640 You know Clethra order eraic Hayley's They're common in the tropics. Oh, 1693 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.399 and there was Tipularya discolor there too. That is a 1694 01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:27.479 it's an orchid that I think has chlorophyll in it. Yeah, 1695 01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:28.880 I think it just breaks up flowering. I don't think 1696 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.880 it's a micoheterotroph, but it's micro rhyzell for sure. What 1697 01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:37.399 is the common name of Tipularia, this scullar, the crane 1698 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:41.840 fly orchid. Yeah, the leaves were not out, really interesting 1699 01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:43.560 leaves on it. The leaves weren't out, but it was 1700 01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.840 flowering like two feet tall in the shade dope spot 1701 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:51.439 and just yeah, man, just seeing all the burn and 1702 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:53.800 then there was that they had that like cort cidic 1703 01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:56.520 sand too, that sugar sand where it's white, you know, 1704 01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:02.399 which was really interesting, really interesting. Bright white habitat reflects 1705 01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:06.119 a lot of ultraviolet back up, like eighty percent eighty 1706 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:09.760 five percent reflectance of ultraviolet light back up at you. 1707 01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.680 So that obviously creates a more stressful environment for plants, 1708 01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:18.680 which creates more selection pressures determining what can grow there 1709 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:21.439 and what evolves there and et cetera. It's really really 1710 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:25.880 really cool stuff. Sylpium composite them sylphium with pendant flowers 1711 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:31.359 Vernonia angustafolia and iron weed and gustafolia than leaves. It's 1712 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:35.880 what a gustafolia means. And then there was another spot 1713 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.359 in South Carolina I went to that I don't want 1714 01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:40.159 to name because someone's going to try to poach the 1715 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.000 picture plants that grow there. But it was Saracenia jonesy eye, 1716 01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:48.239 which is a rare granite bald. It grows on granite knobs. 1717 01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:52.600 Saracenia species pictuer plant that grows on these these basically 1718 01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:56.359 these seeps on these massive granite domes. And that was 1719 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.720 a really cool spot. That was a dope spot had 1720 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:06.359 some rare Pacara is on at Pakara millifolium. It was 1721 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:09.319 Crowton michoe i, which, of course you're gonna encounter anywhere 1722 01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:13.479 there's sand, uh you know, sander or a dryer habitat. 1723 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:17.880 Krowton machoey I always likes it like that sla Janella tortapyla, 1724 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:22.319 which you know is a desiccation tolerant spike moss looks 1725 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.680 like someone threw out a shag carpeting and it's like 1726 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:29.119 an old shag carpeting when it's uh dry, when it's 1727 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:30.960 dry and dormant and you get some water on it, 1728 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:34.680 comes back to quote comes back to life unquote within 1729 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.319 you know, thirty minutes to an hour, starts photosynthesizing and 1730 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:43.119 metaboli and metabolizing again. These granitebald habitats are really fucking cool. 1731 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:47.119 I saw another one in Georgia, in eastern Georgia that 1732 01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.640 we stopped at. It was a Heggi's Rock, which is 1733 01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:55.039 a nature conservancy site, and uh, this gentleman, Malcolm, took 1734 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.039 me out there. Shout out to Malcolm, thank you, sir, 1735 01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:01.560 And uh, that was a really fucking dope spot with 1736 01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:05.199 this rare isohetes, which is a relative of Silaganella. You 1737 01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:10.000 know they're in the their lycopods, but Isohetes, of course 1738 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.000 is known as the quill warts. And you know there's 1739 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.359 isohetes in Costa Rica. I just saw one up in 1740 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:17.880 the Paramau at ten thousand feet, you know, always growing 1741 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:23.640 in either shallow shallow pools or ephemeral pools. And that's 1742 01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:28.199 what Isoetes ta geeda foremans was growing in, which is 1743 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:31.119 a really narrow local andemic only grows in like six 1744 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:35.239 spots in Georgia. And they're all on top of these 1745 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.359 granite balds, right, and they can tolerate you know, ephemeral 1746 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.239 drying out, like drying out for a little bit, but 1747 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:42.520 it can't go for like a year or two without 1748 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.800 those ponds filling up with water. And one of the 1749 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.760 sites I guess was destroyed for a quarry. And so 1750 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:51.680 when it was destroyed for a quarry, they moved the 1751 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:56.960 population in onto the other granite bald and I guess 1752 01:34:57.000 --> 01:34:58.720 they but they did it by like they had to 1753 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.520 create these little pools top of the bald, so they 1754 01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:03.279 had to like chisel out rock. I don't know how 1755 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:04.920 they did it. They chiseled out like a six by 1756 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.720 six inch little you know, three inch deep pool for 1757 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.520 water to pool up in. And it works, but it, 1758 01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.920 you know, it looks square. It looks it's super square 1759 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:16.800 because the way they had to cut it looks kind 1760 01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.640 of weird. But it's cool that they did it, but 1761 01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:21.399 it's nuts that it was even able to happen in 1762 01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:24.039 the first place. Like, really, they just just the Corey granite. 1763 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.279 There's not like a less impactful way to do it 1764 01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:30.399 that they're not gonna destroy this rare plant or that 1765 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:33.560 you know, whatever private entity there was. There's no protection 1766 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:35.600 for this stuff. There should be protections, right now, what 1767 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:38.000 they're doing for Big Bend. I mean, it's all just 1768 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:41.199 you know, part of Trump, the Trump agenda, the performative cruelty. 1769 01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:46.199 I mean, they're destroying all this shit in Big Bend 1770 01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.560 to put up a fucking border wall when the landscape 1771 01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:50.960 itself is the border wall. It's such a harsh desert. 1772 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:54.600 No one's crossing there. Man. By the time Trump's done 1773 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:56.039 with a country, no one's gonna want to come in 1774 01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.039 here anyway. The fence is gonna be meant to keep 1775 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:04.319 people in. I still can't believe people got suckering into 1776 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:07.359 voting for this con man, especially here. There was a 1777 01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:12.000 big Latino mega contingent down here in the Rio Grand Valley, 1778 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:14.800 right goes right in with all that that shame and 1779 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:19.720 that weird cultural disassociation and wanting to be you know, 1780 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:23.840 wanting to emulate like the lamest aspects of quote white 1781 01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:26.520 culture or whatever that even is, Texan white culture. You 1782 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.479 know whatever. We don't have to agree it. You're listening 1783 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.479 to this, you're offended. I mean by all means, it's 1784 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:34.720 totally fine. Actually, if you're a friend, I don't really 1785 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:36.840 give a shit, but just disagree. You don't need to 1786 01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.600 agree with me. But you know, goddamn is it just 1787 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.720 it's it's the bamboozle element is so and you get 1788 01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.800 people to vote against their own interests like that. I 1789 01:36:47.840 --> 01:36:49.920 don't know, and I know how the left got so 1790 01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:54.079 fucking annoying still are in many cases, but at least 1791 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:59.000 in the US, identity politics was a sy up. So 1792 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:01.399 uh anyway, alright, so back to this. So this uh, 1793 01:37:01.720 --> 01:37:03.840 this ice o wheaties was really cool. This and this 1794 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:06.760 granite bald. It was The interesting thing too, was the 1795 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:10.239 granite is pink, but the whole bald is black from 1796 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.920 all of the biofilm on it, from all the living 1797 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:17.079 material that's on growing on this rock. So you know, 1798 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:18.399 if you were to like chip it and chip that 1799 01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:22.319 stuff away, the rock would be whitish or red. But 1800 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:27.279 that black material, obviously heats causes the service of that granite. 1801 01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:32.720 The heat up immensely. It's amazing that all the different God, 1802 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:36.520 there were so many different liking species too. Malcolm the gentleman, 1803 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:38.920 I went out there with studies liking. He was just 1804 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:41.760 dropping names on all these different likings and shit, really cool. 1805 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:44.640 There's so you've got these liking communities and these moss 1806 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:49.640 communities and crust communities. It's probably just cyanobacteria and algae's 1807 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:53.720 and stuff that grow on these uh, these balds, and 1808 01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:56.399 then there's little ephemeral pools where you get some plant life. 1809 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:01.279 And then there's like rocks there. There's like true small trees, 1810 01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:05.800 dwarfed trees, et cetera, accumulating in the rocks around there. 1811 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:07.920 It's the same stuff you see if you go to 1812 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:13.319 h Stone Mountain in you know, east of Atlanta. Is 1813 01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:15.159 it east of Atlanta? I think it's east of Atlanta. 1814 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:19.680 But really cool shit to see. Man, shout out to Atlanta. 1815 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:22.279 What a dope city. I fucking love that city. It's 1816 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.399 a car slum in much of it, but in areas 1817 01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:27.640 where it's not, you know, like that belt line project 1818 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:29.119 they have that was really cool to see. It's an 1819 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:31.359 old railroad belt that they turned into a bikeway. It's 1820 01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:35.520 got native plants all over it. Some somebody recreated behind 1821 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.840 this u Tacorea there. It's Tacorea is an old warehouse 1822 01:38:38.880 --> 01:38:43.119 somebody created like a car, a Saracenia bog and long 1823 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:45.600 leaf pine forest. I put a video on that that 1824 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.560 was really cool to see, really wonderful to seas. It's 1825 01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:51.399 just just such a pleasant there's so much good shit 1826 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:53.199 to see there. And then I was hanging out with 1827 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:57.680 my friend hippie Josh. He's he's all in a forging 1828 01:38:57.720 --> 01:38:59.960 and stuff. So we were you walking around his neighborhood 1829 01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:04.399 looking at he's got to lives in a really nice neighborhood, 1830 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:09.199 like just not like fancy wealthy, but but just Nice's 1831 01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:11.439 got trees in it, and it's just feels like a 1832 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:14.720 pleasant place to live. There's shade, so even though it's 1833 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:17.560 superhumid and hot out, you know, you can still find shade. 1834 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:20.239 It doesn't doesn't hurt to be outside, not like where 1835 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:23.880 I live. I have to like be exposed to one 1836 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:26.920 hundred and forty five degrees surface temperatures, and I feel 1837 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:28.640 like I'm walking on a heat mat because there's no 1838 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:33.399 shade anywhere. Because you know, the city hates trees. This 1839 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:38.520 one guided city manager. Man, Ah, he's gonna change one 1840 01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.199 day I got home. There's no he's not gonna always 1841 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:44.399 be like this. You know, through a process of therapy, 1842 01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:49.319 guided meditation, and self exploration, maybe he'll stop hating plants, 1843 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:53.159 or at least try to understand why he does. It 1844 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:56.439 doesn't make any sense at all, like the whole. He's like, 1845 01:39:56.520 --> 01:40:00.159 the complete opposite of the plants is infrastructure theory. It 1846 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.840 just doesn't land with him at all. He doesn't understand it. 1847 01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:06.039 He doesn't understand that urban he on probably doesn't care either, 1848 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:08.880 because don't go outside. Nobody goes outside. I mean, I 1849 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:11.119 live in one of the fattest counties in the United States, 1850 01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:16.399 so you know, but there's hope, there's hope. It's just 1851 01:40:16.479 --> 01:40:19.079 a slow process. And if you keep your fucking mouth shut, 1852 01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:22.199 there's not gonna be hope. Right, be nice, be polite, 1853 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:25.039 but know that you're fucking right, and be loud about 1854 01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:28.840 this stuff. Right, it's this is insane. You're right and 1855 01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:30.720 they're wrong. I hate to just put it as simple 1856 01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:34.000 as that, but that's that's what the case is. You 1857 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:37.239 can't live in a place of horticultural atrocities and turf 1858 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:40.760 grass stuff that didn't evolve here. You create these dead zones, 1859 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:44.359 these dead gardens, the shit gardens. I've ranted about this enough, 1860 01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:49.560 so uh and then where else did I stop? Yah? 1861 01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:51.399 So the one of the last plays I stopped that 1862 01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:55.279 was this Arkansas Prairie with with my friend Habitat Harry 1863 01:40:56.239 --> 01:41:00.239 and god damn, there was a rubus species that was 1864 01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.039 just tearing us up, just with these cat claw like 1865 01:41:03.159 --> 01:41:05.159 thorns that had on it. And we were out there 1866 01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:08.680 just sweating balls. So humid, probably really pleasant in the 1867 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:10.720 fall once it cools off. I don't know when that is, 1868 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:15.239 late October, early November. But it was beautiful. But we 1869 01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.640 had to go through all this agriculture to get out there, 1870 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.119 like toxic agriculture to get out there, you know, driving 1871 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:26.399 along these little agricultural roads, dirt at one lane agricultural 1872 01:41:26.479 --> 01:41:29.600 roads to get out there and see this stuff. And 1873 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.079 it was totally worth it though. You know. The prairie 1874 01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:34.800 we went to, let me see if I can find 1875 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:37.359 the name of it. Yeah, it was near Hazen, Arkansas. 1876 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:42.239 It's in between Little Rock and Memphis. There's a lot 1877 01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:45.560 of cool shit along those agricultural roads too. Man, I 1878 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:49.640 saw what was it, campsus radic cans. I always get 1879 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:54.000 these too confused. Okay, First off, the prairie was Connectne 1880 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:59.439 Prairie ko n E c n Y Prairie Natural Area. 1881 01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:00.680 Uh. 1882 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:04.239 And it's like, you know, it's big bluestem and lots 1883 01:42:04.279 --> 01:42:11.279 of big bluestem. There was Cynthio trichum arachodes there as well. Uh, 1884 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:16.479 I don't know what that rubus was, Hypericum labocarpum Saint 1885 01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:20.439 John's Ward, one of you know, many species tried and strictest, 1886 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.640 really important grass out there. A Upatorium capital of foium 1887 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:32.359 ilex decid you, a Upatorium scabritum. Uh, let's see Ludwigia. 1888 01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:38.720 Oh and Rebeccia elismuth folia. Uh was another cool one. Uh, 1889 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.239 there was a Rexia there too. Have never seen arexia 1890 01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:43.079 out in the open prairie before. I guess it was 1891 01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:48.800 just Mariana uh i Brosia biden tata oh Tefrosia ano bracoids. 1892 01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:53.039 That's a cool one. White flowered Tephrosia, golden, pubescent sand 1893 01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:58.079 the leaves. Hopefully somebody's growing that. And you know for 1894 01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:01.359 native plant the propagation purposes, because that's a dope plant. 1895 01:43:01.640 --> 01:43:05.720 Ludwigia all turn a folio. It was a really cool prairie. 1896 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.239 The big blue stem there was fucking beautiful too. It 1897 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:10.920 was big blue stem and vernonia. I think it was 1898 01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:15.079 just missurika massive vernonia though, like fields of vernonia, and 1899 01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:18.840 they were all flowering. It looked incredible. And then uh, 1900 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.239 but the way there, I mean we went to another 1901 01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:24.239 prairie too, God, it was fucking hot. Went to another 1902 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:28.199 prairie too where there was where there was a lot 1903 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:33.279 more let me see this. What else was here another 1904 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:35.680 prairie where there was a lot more diversity as well. 1905 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.680 And then just I mean just driving along the roads 1906 01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:39.479 there it was cool. There was there was a lot 1907 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:45.560 of good ship. Yeah, panicom vorgadim switchgrass. Uh oh yeah. 1908 01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:50.600 In Hydrolia ovada, which was which is an aquatic plant 1909 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:54.239 with bright purple flowers. It's in uh I think the 1910 01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:58.680 family is hydroleac, which is in the night shade order, 1911 01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:01.239 but it was vic man and it was filling up 1912 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:03.560 this this little ditch on the side of the highway. 1913 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:06.399 Yeah. 1914 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:10.199 Yeah, it's an aquatic relative of night shades order Solinales, 1915 01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:13.119 and we get one and they got spines on them too, 1916 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:16.880 but like vivid, five pedaled purple flowers, maybe the size 1917 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:19.960 of a golf all maybe a little bit smaller. Great 1918 01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:22.399 aquatic plant though, So if you got a wet area 1919 01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:30.640 with full sun. And then there was a Usalidago rigidi uscula, uh, 1920 01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:36.880 Desmodium sessifolium. Oh yeah, that was a white flower Desmodium 1921 01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:41.319 that got like five feet tall. Helianthus molus was going 1922 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:45.399 off everywhere too, like in the in the little in 1923 01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:50.159 the prairie and that Connectne Prairie. Definitely if you're if 1924 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:54.720 you're near Hazen, Arkansas, check it out. Oh and I 1925 01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:58.159 saw matt again growing in the uh in these like 1926 01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:01.119 wet areas because it's it's really wet there. This almost 1927 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.359 be really wet. Uh So there's these ditches all over 1928 01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:08.399 there is alligator flag, Thalia dilbata with you know, it's 1929 01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:11.880 purple flowers. That's a really cool monocot, gets like six 1930 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:17.560 feet tall and really interesting flowers as well. I think 1931 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.960 it's in the order of gingers. Yeah, yeah, Marin Tasi 1932 01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:24.560 and Zingibareles. So it's got that kind of you know 1933 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:28.439 staminodes thing. One stamen and then a bunch of staminodes, 1934 01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:31.000 like a bunch of the bunch of the stamens have 1935 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:34.279 become infertile. They're now staminodes and they've been just turned 1936 01:45:34.359 --> 01:45:38.159 used as attractants as petals, alligator flags the thing, Yeah, 1937 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:41.920 powdery alligator flag or hardy kenna. But it's not in 1938 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.720 kan As. It's in Marin Tacy, which is unique. It's 1939 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:51.479 weird because most of the families in that order, zingibareles 1940 01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:54.640 the ginger order. Most of them are tropical, like bananas 1941 01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:57.960 are in that order. For instance, Marin Tacy costs a 1942 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.680 sy saw a bunch of those and whatever. So it's 1943 01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:03.439 cool to see this one that you know thrives in 1944 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:07.960 a temperate lineage trips Sakum. Back to Loidy's that grass, 1945 01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:12.199 epic grass. It's kind of doing a little mais thing, 1946 01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:16.600 a little corn thing with its flowers. Got some really 1947 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:20.720 nice images of that flowering. Common name is gamma grass, 1948 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:24.279 Eastern gamma grass, or Pacahatchie grass, but that was coming up. 1949 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:26.760 It's like a six foot tall grass. It's beautiful. I 1950 01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.640 think it likes it wet. And then yeah, campsas radic cans. 1951 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:34.479 I always get that confused with crossvine with Bignonia caprio lotta. 1952 01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:37.359 They're both in the same family. They got the red 1953 01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:41.800 hummingbird pollinated flowers. I wonder which one is more heat tolerant. 1954 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:45.239 I know Michael Easton was growing one in Alpine. I 1955 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.159 think it was cross fine. I think it was Bignonia 1956 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:50.880 caprio lotta, or not more heat toler but more more 1957 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:55.680 tolerant of arid aridity and then there was sassafras coming 1958 01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:58.920 up on the side of the road too, along with 1959 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:01.279 backriss helmetful, which I don't know they went. I think, 1960 01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:03.680 you know, always associated backerss helm Atfolia with like more 1961 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.680 Gulf coastal bend soup. But I guess you know, we're 1962 01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:11.119 not too far from it. In you know, central Arkansas, 1963 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:14.960 it's still hot and humid as balls. And so there 1964 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:18.359 was backriss Helmafolia. And then the sassafras was growing out 1965 01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:21.479 in the open and didn't have that tri lobed, that 1966 01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:24.439 three lobed you know, spade shaped leaf. It had just 1967 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:30.840 had like a simple leaf with no lobes, this simple margin, 1968 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:32.760 and it was an entire leaf. Was wild to see. 1969 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:34.600 Threw me off at first, but then I was like, ah, 1970 01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:36.359 what the fuck is this? Just a couple of the 1971 01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:40.039 more shady leaves looked like actual sassafras leaves, and I 1972 01:47:40.119 --> 01:47:41.760 crunched them up and smelled them, like, damn, this is 1973 01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:44.840 just sassafras. It's just sassafras. I'll buy it. I'm wild, 1974 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:48.119 but Arkansas. Who knew a lot of cool shit in Arkansas? 1975 01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:50.840 But this is all These were all like wet, pretty 1976 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:54.000 wet sites except for that prairie. I think the well 1977 01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:55.880 the prairie was pretty wet too. I think it's maybe 1978 01:47:55.920 --> 01:48:02.039 it's more upland Pittiopsis tenuefolia. There was some really cool 1979 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:06.880 I didn't make any observations in that Liatris bummer. Yeah, 1980 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.159 there was Lyatris picno stacia everywhere, which you could tell 1981 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.560 from Lyatris speccata if you look at the fileries the 1982 01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:15.239 little roofing shingle bracts on the side of the flower. 1983 01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:19.399 On Pychnostacia, they've got a point that like we're curves right, 1984 01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:21.720 so it looks kind of spiky, whereas on the on 1985 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:25.439 spiccata the points are just the fieries are just oppressed. 1986 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:29.079 So a lot of cool shit to see in Arkansas. 1987 01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:31.520 I didn't get a chance to go see Vernonia letter mannii, 1988 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:36.840 that novaculate endemic that grows in flood disturbed areas on 1989 01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:39.920 the what river was there was that Arkansas River? I forget, 1990 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:41.439 I don't know. I saw it two years ago, two 1991 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.399 years ago or a year ago. Really cool. It grows 1992 01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:48.640 with that really unique amsonia too on really hot rocks, 1993 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:51.680 and the rocks, the rocky outcrops are cleared by floods. 1994 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:54.600 So it's got a really cool ecological story too. Vernonia 1995 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:59.039 letter Mannii. Yeah, am Sonia who bricked the eye that 1996 01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:07.640 it grows and patrically with Vernonia lettermannii, really really unique. 1997 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:10.439 I have it that west of Little Rock kind of 1998 01:49:10.479 --> 01:49:16.720 near Malvern on what river is it? Quatchetah, the Wacheedah River, 1999 01:49:18.119 --> 01:49:20.239 right where thirty goes over the Wacheedah River. You go 2000 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:23.279 south of there, hit Tanner Street, go east Tanner Street 2001 01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:27.119 in the Wachita River near Melvern or beautiful Melvern, what 2002 01:49:27.239 --> 01:49:32.880 happens in Melvern. But that's a dope site to see 2003 01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:34.880 that stuff. You go into the bridge tons of poison 2004 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:37.239 IVY might as well. It looks like it's a bridge 2005 01:49:37.239 --> 01:49:39.760 where there'd be a hobo fire, except there's no railroad tracks, 2006 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:42.800 but definitely hobo fire under the bridge vibes I like that. 2007 01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:45.520 You may not, but I do. And then all this 2008 01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.640 novaculate rock, which is like a biogenic silica rock, and 2009 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:53.880 that Amsonia and the Vernonia are just growing right out 2010 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:56.479 of the rocks there, like in the more dry, hotter 2011 01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:59.720 what would be presumably more stressful sites, And that's why 2012 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:02.560 they have those narrow narrow leaves, so I am. Some 2013 01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:06.960 of you, of course think moth pollination, butterfly pollination, Aposta 2014 01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:11.239 and ac the oleander and milkweed family, but those two flowers. Anyway, 2015 01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:13.760 that's an hour and fifty minutes, probably more if you 2016 01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:16.439 are listening to ads and not on the Patreon. You can, 2017 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:20.239 of course listen to the podcast ad free on the 2018 01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.199 Patreon before you fucking complain it. So I read one 2019 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:25.279 of the comments. I shouldn't even read the comments, but 2020 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:27.920 I read in the comments someone was complaining about the 2021 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.600 ads on the podcast, like, oh, should I just do 2022 01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:33.279 this for free? Like I bust my balls. I'm just 2023 01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:35.359 supposed to, like do all this shit for free. The 2024 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:37.319 ads are how I make some revenue I don't. And 2025 01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:40.119 they were like, I can't believe Joey would advertise some 2026 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:42.439 of this stuff, like as if I'm going through in 2027 01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:44.920 hand picking the air, I have no choice over to ads. 2028 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:47.439 Blame your own algorithm, right, If you're getting ads for 2029 01:50:47.479 --> 01:50:49.840 stupid casinos and shit, well maybe you need to stop 2030 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.079 gambling so much. I don't know you got a gambling problem. 2031 01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:54.640 Why are you getting ads for casinos? If you're getting 2032 01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:57.199 ads for long care, maybe you need to stop, you know, 2033 01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:01.399 huffing petrochemicals off your own turf. Goof. Don't play me 2034 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.279 for it, that's your fault. I'm not picking the ads here. 2035 01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:06.840 I just trying to get paid so I can, uh, 2036 01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:09.199 because I don't have any time left to myself anymore. 2037 01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:11.680 I need to go on sabbatical or some shit. Is 2038 01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:13.399 that what they call when you go when you just 2039 01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:16.079 you just tap out for a while. I don't respond 2040 01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:18.319 to text anymore. I don't respect. I got friends getting 2041 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:20.640 mad at me because I don't stay in touch with them. 2042 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.680 They think I'm being negligent. You know, it's wild. I'm 2043 01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:27.640 gonna get myself in trouble here. I'm just I'm a workaholic. 2044 01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.279 Maybe should start smoking crack or something, you know, ass, 2045 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.079 I don't know, Maybe that'll get me off off the 2046 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:41.000 rails real quick. Uh what else? Oh? Yeah? Possibility Place nursery. 2047 01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:44.439 If you're in Illinois, if you're in beautiful Chicago. Got 2048 01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:46.520 Chicago felt so good this last time I was there. 2049 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:49.720 And you're looking for a spot to get some get 2050 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:53.319 some nice plants and stuff, go to go to Possibility 2051 01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:57.039 Place nursery and money? Have you ever been to money? 2052 01:51:57.199 --> 01:51:59.039 If not, I think you should go. I think it'd 2053 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:00.960 be a real nice for you to go. Get in 2054 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:04.119 your car and shut up quick whining about it. Take 2055 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.079 a nice trip down to Monee, stop at a Casey's 2056 01:52:07.159 --> 01:52:10.319 General Store, get a couple of little sugar free urinal 2057 01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:13.920 mint flavored energy drinks, and go hit up Possibility Place 2058 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:16.159 and leave a bunch of room in your car to 2059 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:17.840 pick up a bunch of good shit. You got a 2060 01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:20.840 month or two left in the growing season in the Midwest, 2061 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:25.159 plant some wonderful, rare shit. They're growing stuff nobody else grows. Right, 2062 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:29.720 it's Possibility Place, and it's Pizzo Nursery, which I think 2063 01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:33.279 only does wholesale. Maybe Pizso does individual sales. Now those 2064 01:52:33.319 --> 01:52:35.520 are the two best nurseries in Chicago area. There's a 2065 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:37.920 lot of good nurseries in the Chicago area. You got 2066 01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:40.840 Lady Allison up in Evanston who's selling stuff out of 2067 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:46.800 her backyard. She does great stuff. There's native nurseries. Getsemini 2068 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.359 Garden Center on the north Side is selling a lot 2069 01:52:49.399 --> 01:52:51.680 of natives. I worked there twenty years ago when I 2070 01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:54.039 needed a job for a month. I think I got shit, 2071 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.199 candor I quit. I can't remember. I don't know I 2072 01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:59.800 was nowhere near as ambitious as I am now. But 2073 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:03.920 uh yeah, so hit up Possibility Place. Possibility Place does 2074 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:07.119 mail order too. They sent my mom some real nice 2075 01:53:07.279 --> 01:53:11.800 uh lead plant. They got lead plant and some Dahlia's 2076 01:53:12.039 --> 01:53:15.960 Delia purpoia, so uh, you know, and they arrived the 2077 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:18.359 next day. Everyone are like two days later. They did 2078 01:53:18.399 --> 01:53:20.600 it by the mail. So you got to get in 2079 01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.000 there order some you don't want to drive the Monee 2080 01:53:23.039 --> 01:53:25.079 you live, like up in Rockford or some shit, it's 2081 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:27.840 gonna be a two hour drive one way. They can 2082 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:31.800 ship order mail do a mail order Possibility Place nursery 2083 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:35.319 and money and also if you're in Central Texas, hit 2084 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:39.279 up Green Sleeves Nursery in Flugerville, Texas. It's my friend 2085 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:44.439 Willie's nursery. He's a good guy. He's real, real solid dude. 2086 01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:47.359 Grows a ton of good ship, grows a ton of 2087 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:49.560 seeds that I've sent them of rare stuff. 2088 01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:50.560 Uh. 2089 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:53.000 He sent me a list of some of the stuff 2090 01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:57.640 they've got that I should actually look at because they 2091 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:00.720 got some they're growing shit no one else carries. I mean, 2092 01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:03.960 they got some really really cool stuff. Holy shit they 2093 01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:06.560 got They got all kinds of Dahlia species I. Theyk 2094 01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:10.159 got four different Dahlia species desmanthis Illinois. Its just for 2095 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:12.399 the drug bros who really like the plants with the 2096 01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:16.960 DMPT and the roots. They got Ringium, Yakafoium, rattlesnake master 2097 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:21.560 Erythrostemin cardatas Ooh, that's from me man. That's a rare 2098 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:25.479 South Texas sandsheet species goes really good up against the sidewalk. 2099 01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:27.960 Doesn't get that tall tops out of like eighteen inches. 2100 01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:34.039 The Some of the native, like these small native harmless wasps, 2101 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.880 were hanging out on that collecting oils off the leaves 2102 01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:40.000 because it smells really funky. The leaves have some weird 2103 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:42.760 chemical in them that apparently these insects us. It's a 2104 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:46.920 beautiful plant, two really cool flowers, really heat tolerant. You 2105 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:49.800 find it growing with the sleepiest prostrata in Star County. 2106 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:51.960 That thing needs to be in cultivation more. And you 2107 01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:54.119 get one or two plants, then you get the seeds 2108 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:56.079 are easy to germinate two so you can keep growing them. 2109 01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:59.119 That tura righty eye, he's selling that turre over there 2110 01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:04.760 at Green Sleeves in Flugerville. Melampodium penstemen. God, he's got 2111 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:08.560 twelve different species of Salvia I might recommend Darcii. I 2112 01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:11.960 like that Salvia darcii, Salvia Azuria, fair and aco i, 2113 01:55:12.039 --> 01:55:15.600 Roda fici, and alys pensteam an Nooides cineloensis. Where do 2114 01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:21.199 he gets Salvia cineloensis? Oh, Texana too? Uh, he's got 2115 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:26.800 silphium's Sylphium simpsonia. I don't even know that one, Simzia calva. 2116 01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:31.399 I think that ce is from me Vernonia lindheimuri. That 2117 01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.239 no one's people are not planting that enough. That's a 2118 01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:37.960 that's a central Texas endemic. Loves limestone would go really 2119 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:40.760 good up against the sidewalk where you want something to 2120 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:45.880 stay low, not get too big. That's a fucking dope 2121 01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:49.960 plant yet. Sea Platystigia endemic Texas bract spike is the 2122 01:55:50.039 --> 01:55:57.800 common name. He's got everything. He's got amazing shit. Uh chaitelpa, 2123 01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:03.640 oh chatel. It's like a hybrid. He's got eisenhardi at Texeina. 2124 01:56:04.640 --> 01:56:07.199 I could keep going on. Quirkus, Buckley eye, Camby eye 2125 01:56:07.239 --> 01:56:10.199 quickes Cambia is a dope oak. Damn he's got I 2126 01:56:10.239 --> 01:56:12.600 didn't even see this stuff. He's got guahiotos. That's the 2127 01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:16.239 seed for me, sapandue soapberry. Kind of a boring tree 2128 01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:18.119 until you see it flower and you see it covered 2129 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:20.479 in all kinds of cool pollinators, all kinds of cool shit. 2130 01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:24.199 So anyway, yeah, Green Sleeves Nursery in Flugerville. He got 2131 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:27.800 fucked because Flugerville put in water restrictions due to the 2132 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:30.439 fact that their reservoir had been leaking for like eight 2133 01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:34.479 months and the detector for it with the text leaks, 2134 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:37.960 the detector was not calibrated right supposedly, so it was 2135 01:56:38.039 --> 01:56:40.880 just incompetence. It wasn't even drought, and so they put 2136 01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:43.520 water restrictions into Willy was having the truck water to 2137 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:47.439 his nursery, which set him back, you know, a few 2138 01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:50.079 dozen grand I think one hundred or two hundred, I 2139 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:52.119 don't know. So he was he got fucked by this 2140 01:56:52.359 --> 01:56:54.840 by the city of Flugerville, and then I think he 2141 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:56.920 was threatening to sue them, and then they started fucking 2142 01:56:56.960 --> 01:56:59.439 with him for fines and stuff. Really corrupt you know, 2143 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:05.399 corrupt ship. So anyway, uh oh, he's gotten a Lena 2144 01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:08.479 big ALOVII, too, which is that rare Mexican one that's 2145 01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:12.520 from seed I collected in Marathon, Texas. So anyway, all right, 2146 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:15.079 well those are some nurseries to hit up. Thanks for listening. 2147 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:17.840 Come see me in Albuquerque, Come see me in Denver. 2148 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:18.760 Uh. 2149 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.640 And then I might be playing on East Coast tour, 2150 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:23.600 going to Philly, New York, maybe Detroit, et cetera. In 2151 01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:26.039 late October. That's all I gotta have. Agress. They go 2152 01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:26.760 fuck you up by. 2153 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:43.199 But I woke up today in the side of the que. 2154 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:48.600 My ego, and I haven't done me no good, no hat. 2155 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:53.600 Going back to the last off to the bound. 2156 01:57:54.800 --> 01:58:04.359 In the pairs of barrow way from you're in taking 2157 01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:06.640 a part of that seven. 2158 01:58:06.359 --> 01:58:07.640 That vacation. 2159 01:58:09.279 --> 01:58:16.479 Reality, no one else in between your parent's miry to 2160 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:23.800 my destinsion Barbie on time men, I need third nod. 2161 01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:28.680 That my dream. 2162 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:31.279 Have I dive. 2163 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:34.720 Either way, I don't. 2164 01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:41.640 Mind aff here in so good, just can't help crying. 2165 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.920 O you have two let go? So you so. 2166 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:47.960 Mad? 2167 01:58:48.159 --> 01:59:18.600 Fo am I tamer Am I die either, I don't mind. 2168 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:27.239 No, I'm being so just a cant five. I have 2169 01:59:27.680 --> 01:59:29.199 to so