WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:09.000 He'll be beer, go'll be bit. Sorry, there's gonna be 2 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.720 some silence here while the music plays. They can hear 3 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.839 us now though. Hello everybody, it's the Internet. You're busy. 4 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:19.199 Let's do this just for January twenty second, twenty twenty five. Sorry, 5 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.800 I'm all discombobulated. I meant to start the show two 6 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:23.960 seconds later than I did. I hit the wrong button. 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:27.079 It's my first podcast, Alyssa. For the next hour or so, 8 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:28.879 let me help you sort through the world of gaming 9 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.760 on Game mes Mornings Live with me Jeff Grubb. Today, 10 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:34.240 it's Microsoft's turn to take the spotlight, and it might 11 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.079 have some surprises during its developer direct tomorrow. And is 12 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.560 the switch to more powerful than that Mario Kart Tease suggests, 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.000 But first, please join me and welcome you today's co 14 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.439 host to Game mess Mornings. It's a listener conte everybody. Alyssa. 15 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:48.159 How are you doing. 16 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:49.840 I'm so good? 17 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.280 How are you fantastic? I'm happy to see you, glad 18 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.560 to see you doing well. Ready to talk about some 19 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:57.960 video games, but yeah, first time? How you been? 20 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.479 You know? Last night the New York Game Awards, which 21 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.680 is great because it helps support the nonprofit the New 22 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.840 Ork Video Game Critics Circle, which is great because we 23 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.640 mentor underserved and unhouse youth in New York City and 24 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.560 help them learn more about writing and video games. Be 25 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.480 it narrative for journalism. And yeah, these kids have been 26 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.159 They're incredible to work with and it's really fulfilling. And yeah, 27 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.040 the New York Game Awards is like the Chiller Cooler, 28 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.159 you know version. Obviously it's New York baby, So it's 29 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.239 just cool. It's cool to be there. And like Todd 30 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.239 Howard was there, Troy Baker was there, a couple of 31 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:37.400 cool Sam Lake was honored. So it was a really 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.439 cool thing and for just purely a good cause, which 33 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.719 doesn't happen enough in this industry. So it was very nice. 34 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.560 And yeah, everyone dressed really nice. So thanks guys. 35 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.959 Good good. I'm glad you would be looking they knew. Yeah, 36 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.680 I saw some some pictures of it. I think I 37 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.519 think GameSpot might have streamed something from it last night. 38 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.040 I don't know I co streams it. I forget which 39 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.799 which outlet, but yeah, there is a coach dream. 40 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:05.159 I thought I saw GameSpot doing that, so shouts them. Yeah, 41 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.040 but I saw some mobe just it looked a really 42 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.280 nice it looked like everyone was having a really good time. 43 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:14.080 So yeah, it's nice to hear how you've been Otherwise, 44 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:18.240 how is there are video games treating you well? 45 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:19.520 You know, I have a lot of free time on 46 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.520 my hands right now, Jeff, in between employment, like so 47 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:26.000 many of us this industry are, and I've done virtually 48 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.400 nothing but play Bilotro and Marvel Rivals. 49 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.479 Okay, so you're spending it well then all right? 50 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.639 Yeah, clearly the lootro is becoming a problem though, because 51 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.240 it's like the one more gaming me into being up 52 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.919 too late or late to do everything or not getting 53 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.000 out of bed. But it is just I see people 54 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.599 play it on the train and we kind of have this. 55 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.759 Like you Yeah, I definitely pulled the trick on myself 56 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:51.080 where it is I did this with Uker. I don't 57 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:52.639 know why I need to bring that up, but where 58 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.879 it's like I need to stop going to my friend's 59 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.800 house and playing you Car all the time. Like's just 60 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.639 think about it, like there is one right way to 61 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.240 play the game. So really I've already solved it. I 62 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.599 can just move on, And I tell myself I've done 63 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.159 that with Bloatro, where it's like it's all just come 64 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.039 down to luck. Now I need to just get the 65 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.000 right cards. But I know the right moves if I 66 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.479 had the right cards, which is a total bullshit thing 67 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.960 to say, but it's like that is mostly how I've 68 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.599 broken it. And then pretending that I've solved this game 69 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:19.759 and can just move on from it. 70 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.879 Oh that's smart. See. I think that I'm watching my 71 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.280 partner kind of do like the well, now I'm going 72 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.919 for the gold chip difficulty on this deck, and then 73 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.360 he's doing all these weird challenges where like jokers disappear 74 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.719 and some don't, and I'm like, I'm just trying to 75 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.560 get all the decks. Still, We're at a different we're 76 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.159 at a different speed doing this game. 77 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.199 In my Yeah, it's but yeah, I mean, I'm that 78 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:43.520 is going to be a game I just go back 79 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:44.039 to forever. 80 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.280 I'm too fun, too easy. I played. I flew to 81 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.439 Quebec City for Asasacree last week, and I those flights 82 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.560 are short from New York. But I realized that I 83 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.039 did nothing but play bollatro. 84 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:01.919 Okay, now can you hear me, Melissa? Yes, okay, all right, 85 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.439 can chat? Can you hear me? Now? It's a The 86 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.599 goxers started acting up again where I can't touch it 87 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.360 or it will disconnect. I had fixed that and now 88 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.080 it is a problem again. So that's a real shame. 89 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.240 I said. It's because I mentioned you'd be soft, and 90 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.879 they new to the stream because they don't want me 91 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:19.720 to break in Bargo. 92 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.800 Yeah, I mean Eves is everywhere. He's in the walls 93 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.120 for sure. All right, well, let's get the show back 94 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.319 on the road and explain what we do here most weekdays. I, 95 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.800 Jeff Greub, will help piece your gaming life back together. 96 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:33.519 That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our 97 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.600 own original reporting for all these topics at the input 98 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.959 of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. 99 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.800 If you are watching live on twitch welcome, You can 100 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.079 always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by 101 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.759 searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on 102 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.240 giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show 103 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.600 later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, 104 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:56.160 we have a lot to get into, so let's start 105 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.000 the Morning Mess with. Microsoft has a couple of surprises 106 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.399 in store for tomorrow's Xbox Developer Direct. According to rumor, 107 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.439 this is from Jonas Macki at Game Reactor. As you 108 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.519 may know, there's a dedicated Xbox event tomorrow where Microsoft 109 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.040 has promised to show off Doom, the Dark Ages, South 110 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.560 of Midnight and Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three, as well 111 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:19.600 as a secret game from a secret studio. However, we've 112 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.160 already reported that it seems that the Xbox team has 113 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.199 additional surprises in store for the event, which apparently could 114 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.199 be bigger than it sounds. The source of the time 115 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.040 was Jess Cordon, editor of Windows Central and a person 116 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:35.839 with proven insight into Microsoft. Now another very credible source 117 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.839 is joining the chorus, namely Insider Gaming. They write that 118 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.360 a few other surprises will be announced during the event 119 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.240 or in the coming days. Rumors have been swirling about 120 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:46.639 the secret game, with guesses like a comeback for Echo, 121 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.000 the Dolphin, Final Fantasy seven remake for Xbox, and a 122 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.759 new Ninja Guidan, but there has also been talk of 123 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.800 a remaster or remake of the Elder Scrolls for Oblivion. 124 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.600 Other educated guesses include new games for Game Pass and 125 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.279 a Rise launch. It was during this event that Hi 126 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.600 Fi Rush was stealth released two years ago. This is 127 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.399 happening tomorrow, Alissa. You know we could guess any which way, 128 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.600 but it does seem like they are setting expectations low 129 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.120 for this announcement event and they probably will come in 130 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.000 with a little bit more fire than they are, you know, 131 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.920 sort of suggesting you think we're going to kind of 132 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.920 get a kickoff here where there's a bunch of games 133 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.920 that are pretty exciting from both like Microsoft and Sony, 134 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.480 because Sony is certainly is going to have an event 135 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:30.480 here pretty soon as well. 136 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.639 What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I think we 137 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.439 kind of have to have that, I think. And I 138 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.600 think also the managing expectations thing is probably clever. Like 139 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:39.920 we've how many times have we gotten gassed up for 140 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:41.839 a direct of any sort and just been let down? 141 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.759 So I think appy to Yeah, I think every game 142 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:49.839 company now is like definitely tempering expectations, probably over tempering them, 143 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.720 but that we can be pleasantly surprised. But I think 144 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:57.160 Xbox needs a big developer direct here. I think, you know, 145 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.160 the way that it's been shifting itself from like a 146 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.160 publisher as much as we're like a whole cloud based 147 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.040 thing where you can play your game anywhere and it 148 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:07.720 doesn't really matter. This is an Xbox and that's an 149 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:09.600 Xbox and we don't care about selling the console, but 150 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:11.600 you know, you could just play this with game Pass 151 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.680 and it's cool. That stuff is like hitting really strange, 152 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.600 and you know, a lot of people are pointing out that, 153 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.120 like where is the marketing for something like a vowed. 154 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.879 You know, it's just been a really weirdly quiet, like 155 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.639 six to eight months for Xbox, even a year, I 156 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.439 would say, so, I think it's got to be bigger 157 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.600 than they're gonna let it up, like they're gonna make 158 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.839 it seem at first. I think it has to be 159 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.079 because Xbox has just felt like it's in this weird 160 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:41.240 identity crisis, and I think getting back to publishing really 161 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.160 good games from both their in house studios and elsewhere 162 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:44.959 is huge. 163 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.399 Yeah, And I think it's you're right, you kind of 164 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.480 come in with the faint and then you surprise people. 165 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.800 That's always a good move. It's classic, it works, and 166 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.639 you're just right about the timing. We should like, Yes, 167 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.560 they are coming off of Indiana Jones that is clearly 168 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.759 has been success critically and with fans, seems to be 169 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.120 doing pretty well commercially as well. It's like there's some 170 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.040 momentum there. But you know, there that was the one 171 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:12.879 time it wasn't a false start with one of these 172 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.600 releases recently where they released one of their big games, 173 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.319 and in the past couple of years before that, it 174 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.199 was like maybe not a misstep, but not the step 175 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.439 that Xbox was looking for. Indiana Jones does seem to 176 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.120 mostly be that, And now you've got to carry it 177 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.920 forward because you can't kind of go back to that law. 178 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.759 You can't go back to missus miss after miss So 179 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.120 the way you do that is you start gassing up 180 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.360 the games that are coming soon and maybe you even 181 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.919 like start juicing up some games that are a little 182 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:42.919 bit further off and build up a narrative of that 183 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.919 you could tell people like why now is the right 184 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:50.200 time to get very excited about the Xbox ecosystem. So yeah, 185 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.240 I mean, it's it's a weird place because what is 186 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.159 the Xbox ecosystem. It's changing constantly and it's you know, 187 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.799 less emphasis on the console and things like that, but 188 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.240 it definitely is still something that they are concerned about 189 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.080 because they need to make money while they figure out 190 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:06.960 what that transition looks like. If it is like, hey, 191 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.840 we're gonna have everything's going to be an Xbox. They 192 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:12.600 keep saying that, but not everyone treats every device like 193 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.080 an Xbox. So I will actually have a story about 194 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.919 that here in a little bit about Resident Evil on iPhones. 195 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.120 And so it's like, yeah, they need to keep like 196 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.279 this traditional audience pretty happy and spending as much money 197 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.279 as possible, and that means some cool games. And you know, 198 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.559 Doom the Dark Ages is going to be something that's 199 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.919 going to be a real crowd pleaser. And if they 200 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.200 do have like Elder Scrolls for Oblivion remake ready to go, 201 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.320 people will eat that up. It's like okay, and then okay, 202 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.480 is this South of Midnight? Is this gonna hit? I hope? 203 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.120 So looks very interesting if some of these games can 204 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.879 kind of come, you know, make a statement, and then 205 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.960 they can build up a long term timeline of games 206 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.440 starting with this event, I think people will actually begin 207 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.679 changing what they think about Xbox, which has been a 208 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.480 long time coming and something they've sort of missed the 209 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.080 boat on accomplishing several times now, right. 210 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.120 One hundred percent. I mean, I don't think people have 211 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.440 looked at Xbox and their in house studios and what 212 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.799 they make the same since Halo Infinite. Unfortunately, like I think, 213 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:09.879 you know, if you're going to talk about the tent 214 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.320 pole franchise for Xbox is Halo, and uh to drop 215 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.440 the ball on that launch, like pick it up and 216 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.519 drop it again, and then I mean, I love like, 217 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.799 I love Halo Infinite. I played a lot of it, 218 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.039 but it just it didn't seem like this promise of 219 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.279 this open world campaign. It had this insinuation that there 220 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.240 would be more added to it, that we would get 221 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.919 a lot of stuff tacked on, it would grow, it 222 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.919 would expand. But I just played through that campaign and 223 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:38.519 then I played a bunch of multiplayer and then I 224 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:40.759 fell off, and it's just that's not how any Halo 225 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:42.879 game has ever been for me. So I think they're 226 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.080 they're still trying to claw back from that. And I 227 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.200 think it's really interesting that you know, they've they've hoovered 228 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.440 up all these game studios and then sort of done 229 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.679 this one eighty of like, well, it's about where you 230 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.879 can play these games that maybe we publish, maybe we don't, 231 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.559 but you subscribe to game Pass so you can play 232 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.879 games anywhere, and that's what we're really It's just like 233 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.720 what about the games, like show us some really really 234 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.960 cool games and yeah, I think bring that good will back. 235 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.600 I mean, it's a hard fight to bring back goodwill 236 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.840 in this industry, but I think it's strong. Showing tomorrow 237 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.840 would definitely do it. 238 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.080 Yeah. I think at the end of the day, if 239 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:17.200 you're putting out interesting games that people want to play, 240 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.639 usually they'll just like go buy those things. They'll just 241 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.960 go do that. You know. There's definitely times where there's 242 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.799 such headwinds, like what is happening with ub Soft right now, 243 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.320 where it's like, you know, the game's mediocre to good, 244 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.559 and it's like, yeah, but it's Ubisoft. Get that out 245 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.080 of my face, Like that clearly does happen, So you're right, 246 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.519 Building up that goodwill again is tough. I think that 247 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.759 people are like they want to give that good will 248 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.440 to Xbox. I think mostly they do, especially especially as 249 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.200 they do with deemphasize the console. They're like, Okay, we 250 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.240 kind of just want you to figure your shit out 251 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.840 so we can all just feel good about what you're 252 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.120 doing again, and we'll happily keep playing on our PlayStations, 253 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.039 our switches and PCs, and then if you keep releasing 254 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.559 your games on PC, which you're gonna, we'll play them there. 255 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:02.000 So yeah, I think people just kind of want to 256 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.039 have a good showing from Xbox. Hopefully all those people 257 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.080 that do get acquired in that big corporation are making 258 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.759 games they want to make and that you know, will succeed, 259 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.919 and that's what most people I think want want to see. Yeah, 260 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.360 speaking of like PlayStation though, we do we are still 261 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.759 waiting for them to like, hey, here's what our timeline 262 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.399 is for releases coming up. And really it's been a 263 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.679 waiting game for quite some time with them as well. 264 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.200 There's been you know, little spots here or there, or 265 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:34.000 big games release, you know, Astrobot, and then they or 266 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.840 they announced something like a Ghost to Yota, something along 267 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.799 those lines. So they have broken silence or released something 268 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.480 very big in the last year or so. But it's 269 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.759 not like I think what people were used to or 270 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.559 maybe expecting, especially coming out of a PS four generation, 271 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.840 where there were years where you were looking forward to 272 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.919 Final Fantasy seven remake and things like that. So we 273 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.879 are due for some kind of state of play and 274 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.519 then maybe eventually a PlayStation show case, one of their 275 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.200 bigger shows that's more akin to an E three, but 276 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.360 probably a state of play first. And again there are 277 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:08.320 rumors out there and maybe once happen in February. I 278 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.759 have not heard that personally, but there's rumors out there 279 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:14.559 for that, And you know, do you think this could 280 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.279 be a much bigger one or we should We still 281 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.559 kind of be setting our expectations for Sony at a 282 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.039 level of it's a state of play. It's not going 283 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:23.120 to be not going to be much. 284 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.919 I mean, I think they both. It has to be, 285 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:27.399 it has to be big. Like I know that we 286 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.960 should probably temper expectations. But if we're thinking about how 287 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.960 long we are into this console cycle, you know, it's 288 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.559 been six years, five years, you know, like it's four 289 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.519 and a half, four in change. We're getting into the 290 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.039 fifth year that it launched, and you know November will 291 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.639 be five, and it's what do we have to show 292 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.759 for it? That kind of is showcasing all of these 293 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.639 incredible features that were promised when we bought you know, 294 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.960 new Gen or Current and consoles. I think we're getting 295 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.159 up on the end of it being like technically the 296 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:56.600 end of a console cycle in terms of how often 297 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.399 these things released. So it's like you need to give 298 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.399 us something big, and there has to have been things 299 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.399 in the can that you were working on for this big, 300 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.879 huge new console that are probably towards the tail end 301 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.559 of development, and if they're not, then what were we 302 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.120 doing this whole time? Is really the kind of question 303 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.759 that I have, and I do think PlayStation has to 304 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.360 they both have to to deliver, and you know, I 305 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.799 think we'll probably get something shorter and a little bit 306 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.600 teasier in the late winter early spring, and then yeah, 307 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:32.919 everyone goes big for Summer game Fest, which is replaced three, 308 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.600 and so I think the summer will probably show us 309 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.440 a lot too. But in terms of the summer, like 310 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.759 how many things are we going to see there that 311 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.519 would release within the next six months realistically? You know, 312 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:47.840 So I think some game coming out this year that's 313 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.720 big and important that we know about in the next 314 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.559 few months I think could really turn the tide for 315 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.200 both companies. 316 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.960 So yeah, we'll see. Yeah, you know, we know they 317 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.080 have Intergalactic from Insomniac. I mean, at some point that 318 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.679 was like one of the few things at the Kiley 319 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.159 Show that didn't have a year at least attached to it, 320 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.600 like twenty twenty five. So we don't think it's coming 321 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:13.720 this year. It probably not. Yeah, And then okay, so 322 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.399 Venom is something that had been rumored a you know, 323 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.120 the Insomniac is or not Insomniac, I'm sorry, Or is 324 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.639 that is that Insomniac and somebody Venom, and then they're 325 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.879 also making the X Men games eventually, and before that 326 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.159 they are gonna have Wolverine something that is possibly going 327 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.039 to come out this year. Still feels like maybe that 328 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.879 gets announced and comes out early next year or something 329 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:42.360 like that, But we're still talking about Insomniac where it's 330 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.000 like that's that's the studio that has been carrying PlayStation 331 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.279 through a lot of this part of the generation. With 332 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.320 with multiple Spider Man games kind of just selling more 333 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.200 than anything else by far, They've got to have maybe 334 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:58.200 a couple other surprises and surprising returns right to go 335 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:58.759 along with that. 336 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.559 Yes, yeah, I think I think Insomniac can only shoulder 337 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.279 the burden for so long. But it is also like 338 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.559 I think we will see a lot of this Wolverine, Venom, 339 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.879 x Men stuff because if anybody is paying attention and 340 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.399 seeing how popular Marvel Rivals is, they're probably turning the 341 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.120 dial up on whatever they're doing in development for Marvel 342 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:20.840 and superhero stuff. And I mean, this is just what 343 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.840 the industry does, right, You see something start to do 344 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.159 well and then a bunch of people chase it. And 345 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.240 so I think if these things are already in development 346 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.679 and they're seeing how popular something like Rivals is and 347 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.360 how people are engaging with Marvel stuff, not in the 348 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.120 same way that they were when the MCU is at 349 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.440 his peak, but you know, people are getting super into it. 350 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.279 I think they might be pushing to get Wolverine out 351 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.279 sooner rather than later. But again, yeah, it's just insomniac, 352 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.120 So what about everybody else? And even like you think 353 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.960 Astrobot's incredible, but you know, the Astrobot just to me 354 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.919 feels like the most like in house PlayStation PlayStation game 355 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.720 that was you know, probably planned from the moment they 356 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.600 released the little demo with the you know, and what 357 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.080 about these these these tent poles things that aren't just 358 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.240 you know, Sony stickered up, you know, like tagged with 359 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.480 PlayStation everywhere. What's going to give us you know, a 360 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.039 big open world that's like Ghost of Yota I'm super 361 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.880 excited about, but that's pretty far down the line. And 362 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.759 it just does feel like there's this strange gap right now, 363 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.400 and something's got. 364 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.279 To fill it, yep, And we know kind of what 365 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.680 part of the problem is is PlayStation was not like 366 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.480 taking investment away from the kinds of games that people 367 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.559 are talking about when they talk about PlayStation, but definitely 368 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.680 distracting from that investment by going hard on live service games. 369 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.960 And that is something they've canceled a bunch of those. 370 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.920 So that's something that just didn't pan out, so that 371 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.720 those gaps might like persist going forward for quite some 372 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.640 time and it will be kind of noticeable, I think, 373 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.279 But I think they can also maybe find some ways 374 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.200 to pay that over, even if they just kind of 375 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.119 make some announcements for stuff that won't come out till 376 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:00.200 like late twenty twenty six, and then they do you 377 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.039 follow through with the latest rumor that they are going 378 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.640 to work with some of these studios that they already 379 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.599 have in some partner studios to make smaller games based 380 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.240 on some of their more deep cut ip games that 381 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.319 they can maybe get done in two to three years. 382 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:16.359 It's like, okay, yeah, that could begin to make things 383 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.240 feel significantly different over there, but that also is still 384 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:23.880 going to take some time. Speaking of Insomniac breaking news, 385 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.480 Insomniac Games CEO Ted Price is going to exit the company. 386 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:33.279 Ryan Schneider, Chad Dezern, and Jen Huang set as new 387 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.920 co chiefs at the PlayStation Studio. Sorry, this is just breaking. 388 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.759 I'm reading this from right now. This is from Jennifer 389 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:44.079 Moss at Variety. Insomniac Games founder and CEO Ted Price 390 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:46.519 is stepping down from his role atop the Sony Interactive 391 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.480 Entertainment owned studio after more than twenty years running the 392 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.279 company behind PlayStations or PlayStation's Ratchet and Claying franchise and 393 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.480 Marvel's Spider Man games. Taking over for Price will be 394 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.599 who will be staying with PlayStation Studio through March. Are 395 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.839 a tree of Insomniac vets who will serve as co 396 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.400 heads upon his retirement, and that's Ryan Schneider, Chad Desern, 397 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.720 and Jen Hwang. Each of the Insomniac co studio heads 398 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.680 will have a different purview, era and arenas which they 399 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:18.480 have already been settling into over the past twelve months. Yeah. 400 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:20.880 Ted Price has been there for for a long time, 401 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.039