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Speaker 3: Right here we are back again on the Gray Armed
Speaker 3: Pagans Podcast with a new guest. I mean you, you
Speaker 3: jumped in on one that I did with with fire
Speaker 3: Fae the other day. But this is our first first
Speaker 3: one on one actually, so dude, thanks for joining. Of course,
Speaker 3: it's good to do a it's good to do one
Speaker 3: one on one. I mean we've been talking a lot
Speaker 3: in different groups, two of which now defunct.
Speaker 4: Well well yeah, well for me one just one.
Speaker 6: Wow, you're still welcome.
Speaker 4: That was my first group. Yeah, that was my first group.
Speaker 3: Oh you're still welcoming the other?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: Okay, wait which one?
Speaker 6: Both?
Speaker 5: Because I believe.
Speaker 3: Both gods on the spectrum and unchained are now.
Speaker 4: It's never on unchained you were never what okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not allowed there?
Speaker 3: Oh ship, dude, what did you do?
Speaker 4: I'm just me. No, I never got an invite and
Speaker 4: it was better off I guess you know. I was
Speaker 4: even kicked out of the church.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the unchained uncha.
Speaker 4: Well, because there was a church on Sundays. Yeah wow,
Speaker 4: So I I joined a few, like one day it
Speaker 4: was fine, and the second day it was another host
Speaker 4: and then I couldn't even join. They came with the
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt because it was towards the end
Speaker 4: of the session, right, So yeah, Yostin and were speaking like,
Speaker 4: oh maybe because we're logging off soon. Okay, But now
Speaker 4: after seeing all this okay, Yeah, it's it's just weird
Speaker 4: how people will just reject someone based on actually don't
Speaker 4: even know them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I got into those groups via ghost
Speaker 3: of course, like he seems to be the main man
Speaker 3: to like get everyone in for some reason. I guess
Speaker 3: that's you know, part of his vampire skills. But like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Gods on the Spectrum, it was cool, you know, Snake
Speaker 3: made a lot of promises and then unchained Church, Unchained, Legion,
Speaker 3: unchained something. They changed names so much and it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, that felt like like the big leagues.
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, where
Speaker 5: did what?
Speaker 3: What? What happened? Like I couldn't and the Gods on
Speaker 3: the Spectrum group anymore? My message Snake, like a bro,
Speaker 3: what happened? I'm still to this day waiting for an answer.
Speaker 4: Never go.
Speaker 3: And then it got kicked out of the Unchained as well.
Speaker 3: And it's probably because we're independent thinkers and we don't
Speaker 3: like to, you know, follow other people.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that the whole point of that group to supposedly, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna entertain how people think. No, it's
Speaker 4: not my business.
Speaker 3: No, you shouldn't and you know, you're like you're you're
Speaker 3: doing your own own thing now. I mean like we
Speaker 3: completely skipped the introduction, you know, like we just went into.
Speaker 4: It right away. But I mean I don't do interest
Speaker 4: myself because I don't want to narradate the how people
Speaker 4: should see the guests. I want the guests to reveal
Speaker 4: who they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, of course, but you know they they got
Speaker 3: to have, you know, like some idea of like who
Speaker 3: you are, what do you do? Where can the people
Speaker 3: just basically your tender bio, you know, or grinder?
Speaker 4: I don't know where that is good. I haven't. No,
Speaker 4: I haven't had a dating app since maybe maybe well
Speaker 4: maybe almost close to twenty years.
Speaker 3: Anyways, there were dating apps twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Dude, I was thirteen, Like, come on, there are dinosaurs
Speaker 4: I do exist.
Speaker 3: Don't about the mister media full of people or no
Speaker 3: else media that is even like dinosaurs who exist? Oh
Speaker 3: that's the first, ladies and gentlemen. The first one, the
Speaker 3: grand old Pagan's podcast Life Living Dinosaur.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm notes in. I'm from La. That's it. I did.
Speaker 4: My podcast Life is a dream that doesn't awakening. I know.
Speaker 4: It's a weird title. But because I have that tattooed
Speaker 4: on me, I'm on the gate cool. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: why it ended that, because you know, I was you know,
Speaker 4: I was friends with other podcasters and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: we should get these tattoos for based on a podcast,
Speaker 4: and you're not gonna do that. No one really does that.
Speaker 4: So because I have this tattoo, like wait, that's gonna
Speaker 4: be the title. It's in Spanish backwards, so it's in
Speaker 4: a mirror. Lavidas la mar. Yeah, so life is a
Speaker 4: dream that it's an awakening. I always love that and
Speaker 4: going to my spiritual journey and like, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: you have to kill something in you to come up
Speaker 4: with new ideas or kill a thought even Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Just that's that's the age old self sacrifice part.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, you see that.
Speaker 3: There's so many religions or spiritual paths. You know, it's
Speaker 3: self sacrifice. You have to sacrifice something of yourself to
Speaker 3: like kill the old to make room for the new.
Speaker 5: You know, like Voton did it.
Speaker 3: You know, he sacrificed so much and did so much
Speaker 3: little nasty shit as well, but you know, now he
Speaker 3: is the wisest and most powerful of all the gods.
Speaker 3: You know, he sacrificed himself to himself. I'm going to
Speaker 3: win swept Tree for nine days and nine nights as
Speaker 3: so too or no. Because he did that, he managed
Speaker 3: to discover the magic of the ruins, and that's, you know,
Speaker 3: a very powerful form of magic, especially here in Northern
Speaker 3: Europe as zella.
Speaker 4: Reincarnation, as you think yourself.
Speaker 3: God, big questions right away, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I never thought about like what reincarnation is or how
Speaker 3: it's works. I've heard several theories about it. The one
Speaker 3: that's I think is the most most peculiar to think
Speaker 3: about is that, you know how they say that when
Speaker 3: you die, like you see a bright light, like at
Speaker 3: the light at the end of the tunnel. There are
Speaker 3: people who say that like light that you see is
Speaker 3: you being reborn, you know, coming out of a new
Speaker 3: mother's womb, if you will, Like that is the first
Speaker 3: light you see. Which what kind of mean that, like
Speaker 3: reincarnation is instantaneous. I'm not too sure about that. I
Speaker 3: have a brother on the other side of the veil, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: and I know that he is still around. He hasn't
Speaker 3: you know, passed on if you will. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like reincarnation, A lot of people will say I believe
Speaker 3: that's more of a new age way of thinking. That
Speaker 3: you're well now, reincarnation is ancient. You know, many many
Speaker 3: religions and spiritual paths believe in the existence of reincarnation,
Speaker 3: but that our souls make a choice like that. You know,
Speaker 3: the life that you live is chosen beforehand, and that
Speaker 3: your your soul, your essence, your life energy, made the
Speaker 3: choice to live that life before reincarnating in this physical body,
Speaker 3: so that you can learn all the lessons that you
Speaker 3: are supposed to learn because you haven't learned those in
Speaker 3: a previous life or something. I don't know. There are
Speaker 3: many theories. I don't know which one is sure.
Speaker 4: I said this just now in the group. I think
Speaker 4: truth is between you and God. Everything else is speculation
Speaker 4: and philosophy. But you could think of what could be.
Speaker 4: Let's say we go in a room us two and
Speaker 4: one of us sees God. You're never gonna know. Well,
Speaker 4: let's say I do. You're not gonna know, right, You're
Speaker 4: just gonna you believe me or you don't. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: it's between me and God, and I think I'm not
Speaker 4: supposed to tell people because again, that's between me and God.
Speaker 4: People are not gonna believe me, and then eventually it
Speaker 4: could be viral. Right ah, yeah, I talk to God.
Speaker 4: I think that loses its purpose because it's between us.
Speaker 4: It's not supposed to be between the whole world or
Speaker 4: even the third person. Okay, how will you know? All
Speaker 4: you have to do is trust me? Right, you can
Speaker 4: just go by what I'm telling you trust you know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's trust the science God. Please no, never again.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good one actually. Like, so in your like,
Speaker 5: in your view the.
Speaker 3: The divine, if you will, let's take it very broadly.
Speaker 3: The divine is a personal experience or like, would you
Speaker 3: say that you know God? I have multiple of course,
Speaker 3: but you know that God is the same God for everyone, right.
Speaker 4: The source right where everything comes from. Because going back
Speaker 4: to the light that you said, when someone has life
Speaker 4: near that experience and the I saw that light when
Speaker 4: I discovered God and not and die. I'm still here. Yeah, sure, America,
Speaker 4: that inside. But that's what's so embarrassing now. When I
Speaker 4: discovered how the flower you know, but it wasn't even that.
Speaker 4: It was the fact that I discovered the anthisicist of
Speaker 4: the truth, right, the globe model I felt for like
Speaker 4: the opposition of that which is the flat earth, and like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, can't believe this is the truth. But it
Speaker 4: wasn't even that. It's it's the between both, like the
Speaker 4: fact that I could I knew how mind control works.
Speaker 4: If they make me think that there's a globe, they
Speaker 4: can make me think anything.
Speaker 3: They can make you believe it's flat.
Speaker 4: Yes, and they did. But then again I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: why why am I falling for this an phisicists. That
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's true. It's a new discovery for me, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't make it so doesn't mean it's truth.
Speaker 4: And that's when I was started reading the Bible too,
Speaker 4: and it's like, wait, you're still telling me what you
Speaker 4: think I'm reading something and that's playing with my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's not different.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I have to be very careful
Speaker 3: when you know, reading and thinking about these these things,
Speaker 3: because there are so many people who are stuck in
Speaker 3: one particular kind of kind of belief, like one way
Speaker 3: of thinking that for them is the absolute and ultimate truth.
Speaker 5: And that may be the case for them, and it's
Speaker 5: it's something.
Speaker 3: That's something that I got in with Matt and Dean
Speaker 3: Blackwell on the live stream that we did. Yes, like
Speaker 3: there is no such thing really as absolute truth, Like
Speaker 3: there are some things that are set in stone, because
Speaker 3: like what Matt was arguing is that because of certain
Speaker 3: events that are like very bad in nature, you know,
Speaker 3: he grew because of it, so he was better off afterwards.
Speaker 3: So for him they were good, so therefore it's a
Speaker 3: good experience. And myself and Todd, I'm like, well, we
Speaker 3: try to argue that, Okay, that may be the case
Speaker 3: for you, but just because you were better off for it,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it was a good experience, Like it's
Speaker 3: still fucking bad.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, you know, but you know, subjectively
Speaker 5: personally it was good.
Speaker 3: Like what can be good for you can be bad
Speaker 3: for me and vice versa. And it's like, no, there
Speaker 3: is still such a thing.
Speaker 4: As like ultimate bad, ultimate good or by the way around,
Speaker 4: I guess I think a lot of people say things
Speaker 4: personally because it happened to me, therefore it is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for example, COVID. You know, I think we all most
Speaker 4: most of us agree that it was an agenda behind
Speaker 4: it to make money, to get rid of people. Whatever,
Speaker 4: it's not. It wasn't just the virus that was came
Speaker 4: out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: It was much much more than that it or was
Speaker 3: a virus at all.
Speaker 4: Right, So I'm still trying to wake people up from
Speaker 4: that in my circle, because there's people that are therapists
Speaker 4: around me. They just believe in the whole. They believe
Speaker 4: what they're told. Right, And because I got COVID, I
Speaker 4: almost died from COVID, I could easily say, see it
Speaker 4: is true, I almost die from it. Therefore it's true.
Speaker 4: But we have to sit back and say, look, this
Speaker 4: is I'm just like the one percent. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: could easily take it personally, make it, make it about me.
Speaker 4: See it did happen. I was a victim to it.
Speaker 4: Therefore it's true what they're telling us. No, So I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people take things personally, even communism.
Speaker 4: I still don't know much about the topic, but some again,
Speaker 4: it's always something able to kill something, right.
Speaker 3: Killed about ninety million people, So you could say it's
Speaker 3: a it's a pretty.
Speaker 4: Okay, but this they know. But I see they say
Speaker 4: the same thing about COVID and.
Speaker 3: World War Two, although the number is a bit lower.
Speaker 4: But see that that's my thing. I feel alone because
Speaker 4: like you just said, well, yeah, because they killed ninety
Speaker 4: thousand people, ninety million you said ninety mili, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: will never know.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying history repeats itself. They're doing the
Speaker 4: same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean the same thanks time.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm so discried, And that's why I don't
Speaker 4: like history. I don't know. It doesn't matter what happened,
Speaker 4: because I will never know. I'm not gonna fault for that.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing it in front of my eyes. Why am
Speaker 4: I gonna believe a boot or an article even someone
Speaker 4: said the video about a certain group of people that
Speaker 4: are evil. Okay, great presentation, but that's not If anybody
Speaker 4: could put a video together and try to push a narrative.
Speaker 3: Especially with the rise of generative AI, exactly, rings can
Speaker 3: very easily be manipulated and fabricated.
Speaker 4: Well, see, it's happening in front of our eyes, So
Speaker 4: why can't we question?
Speaker 3: Because you're not supposed to.
Speaker 6: That's and that's the whole reason.
Speaker 3: You know, it's set instant. This happened, this, this and
Speaker 3: this and that's it.
Speaker 4: You know, But even I know, But even just now
Speaker 4: you just said, well, yeah, people die being able to communism.
Speaker 3: That's the yeah, of course, o god, according.
Speaker 4: To Okay exactly yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 6: True, true.
Speaker 3: I mean, like who knows if that is the actual number.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is the number that we have been
Speaker 3: given in the history books. Then again, history is always
Speaker 3: written by the victor, you know, so it's and every
Speaker 3: history book ever has been twisted to fit some kind
Speaker 3: of narrative, whether it be like a group narrative, a
Speaker 3: personal narrative, a political narrative, the like actual history. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll agree with you, Like actual history, what actually happened.
Speaker 3: We will never know.
Speaker 5: We have accounts from different people what happened.
Speaker 3: But you know, he will say it happened this way.
Speaker 3: He will say it happened that way, and she will
Speaker 3: say no, no, no, both of them are wrong because
Speaker 3: it happened this way.
Speaker 4: What's true even in the Bible, right, the book according
Speaker 4: to John and the book according to Matthew. It's according
Speaker 4: to the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so someone else, someone else heard it and wrote
Speaker 3: it down. You know, it's like a secondhand story, if
Speaker 3: you will. I heard someone tell me this, so I
Speaker 3: decided to write it down. Mm hmm but you know,
Speaker 3: like I I still maybe I mayst remember things, maybe
Speaker 3: I heard certain things that you know, I thought were said,
Speaker 3: but it's not what was actually said. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's true.
Speaker 4: So yes, that's why I'm just I'm like, I listened
Speaker 4: to all these podcasters. Oh you know what the but
Speaker 4: the new media, what the new form of fake news
Speaker 4: is mm hmm podcasters. Yeah, we just spread shit.
Speaker 5: It's true, that's true.
Speaker 3: And because I can't believe we're like two podcasters here
Speaker 3: shipping on podcasts.
Speaker 4: But that's why I haven't. I haven't no, because it's.
Speaker 3: I get it, like it's such a like open source
Speaker 3: of media and still so relatively new, and anyone can
Speaker 3: start a podcast. Doesn't mean that anyone should because there
Speaker 3: are podcasts out there that I'm like, really like, this
Speaker 3: is what they're gonna talk about.
Speaker 4: Okay, you do you, but they also have a purpose
Speaker 4: for a certain persons stage and their awakening or sort
Speaker 4: of speak, because people are still stuck in the flow Earth.
Speaker 4: People are still Christians, people are still and you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know much about pagan so I'm not even going.
Speaker 3: It's it's on the rise again. No, it actually is
Speaker 3: like the the old gods really have returned, and the
Speaker 3: people who going back to the roots of their ancestors
Speaker 3: are increasing and increasing well yearly.
Speaker 4: So I do like the how there's an energy between things.
Speaker 4: Like It's funny because when I was going through I
Speaker 4: feel I think, I think I send this to the
Speaker 4: to the group I need to I need to learn love.
Speaker 4: So I want to talk to the love, the god
Speaker 4: of love. It's like something that I had to understand.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are several pick one.
Speaker 4: No, but I am I don't know if I call
Speaker 4: them gods or energy.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. I mean there I I would
Speaker 3: say that the god form is created by man's so
Speaker 3: that we may better understand it that the gods have
Speaker 3: created us in their own image. Maybe the other way
Speaker 3: around as well. We kind of create have created this
Speaker 3: image of the gods as superhumans, if you will, Like
Speaker 3: they are kind of like us. They still have are
Speaker 3: like some of our flaws, but they're just like a
Speaker 3: like higher evolved version of us, a higher consciousness, a
Speaker 3: higher form of energy. And I am myself, I'm leaning
Speaker 3: more towards the young and school of thinking, like that
Speaker 3: they are archetypes, you know, who represent a certain type
Speaker 3: of being who represent a certain type of energy, a
Speaker 3: certain type of living. You know, the dragon slayer, the lover,
Speaker 3: the wise old man, if you will, like those are archetypes,
Speaker 3: those are roles, and there are certain gods that we
Speaker 3: that we have ascribed those archetypes two or the other
Speaker 3: way around. Perhaps I'm still kind of figuring that out,
Speaker 3: but I you know, because there are so many different
Speaker 3: a different kind of gods, but all of them seem
Speaker 3: to have things in common. So it makes more more
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Speaker 4: Yes, I think I like that roles because so I
Speaker 4: don't I think it's just humans. I don't believe in aliens.
Speaker 4: Is when I started reading the by what I believe,
Speaker 4: there was nettling all these things and I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: even dinosaurs are like wait, there's no dinosaurs, or there's
Speaker 4: no evolution. It's always been us. We do take different roles.
Speaker 4: For example, we create a group, we want to get
Speaker 4: different types of people that have different abilities. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: they're already in us those roles or those abilities or
Speaker 4: those powers, whatever, you want to call them. So it's
Speaker 4: not that far, Petch. I think we go to this
Speaker 4: fantasy world where we have you seen the movie Big Fish?
Speaker 4: Long we talked about this and when my cameo when
Speaker 4: I little, anyways, that's more what.
Speaker 3: Long long ago, but I I I remember it being
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 4: Is very dramatic. He blows things out of proportion, like notes,
Speaker 4: and he's that's funny. Okay, Well, let me think that
Speaker 4: I go to the gym. There's this little guy. I'm
Speaker 4: six too, This little guy, he's like a full grown man,
Speaker 4: but he's little. He was like indigenous. But wait, like
Speaker 4: to him, I'm a giant. To me, he's like a dwarf.
Speaker 4: So we already here, like.
Speaker 3: You're already mythological beings to each other.
Speaker 4: Yes, we all are, yes, exactly. And it always takes two.
Speaker 4: You can't know anything unless there's two of you. That's
Speaker 4: why he said it's between me and God or anybody
Speaker 4: in God. Okay, that's why even said in astrology, like
Speaker 4: I that's why I love a stology because I could
Speaker 4: think somebody's an asshole, but then somebody else know he's
Speaker 4: very strong minded or whatever. So it's always a it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a duality almost, but physically mentally, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think mentally like really can can vary, you know,
Speaker 3: like the mental spectrum like I am like on a
Speaker 3: day to day basis, I am not the same mentally, No,
Speaker 3: nobody is like, that's that's nature versus nurture. It's your surrounding.
Speaker 3: It's where you live, it's how you live. It's it's
Speaker 3: like so much. And yeah, there are certain factors that
Speaker 3: you can control, there are certain things that you can do,
Speaker 3: but you know, still a lot of it has to
Speaker 3: do with your immediate surrounding. That's why when I moved
Speaker 3: some moved here back in April, almost most a year ago. Actually,
Speaker 3: I believe it's a fucking full year since I moved
Speaker 3: back here. You know, this is a where I live now.
Speaker 3: It's a smaller town. I grew up in the city
Speaker 3: for the last like ten years, like since I moved out,
Speaker 3: that's twenty. I always lived in the city. At twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty three, I moved back to my hometown town where
Speaker 3: I was born. Big city, like very you know, busy
Speaker 3: and crowded and all of that. And I notice now,
Speaker 3: like in just a year that this smaller town. It
Speaker 3: is doing so much for my mental health that you know,
Speaker 3: it's quiet, it's more quiet, it's more peaceful. There is
Speaker 3: just less here. And then when I you know, go
Speaker 3: back to the city because like my hometown, I still
Speaker 3: work there for the time being, every damn time on
Speaker 3: what get me the fuck out of here? Like I
Speaker 3: love my city, but holy shit, this is pressing.
Speaker 4: Mental health. Yeah, another trigger for me because there's an
Speaker 4: agenda behind that, right.
Speaker 3: There always is with everything.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, but you can't we can't fall for it,
Speaker 4: like mental health. What there's no option as a man.
Speaker 4: You just gotta keep living and work.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that is you know, the the
Speaker 3: archetype of the man. You know, going back to the
Speaker 3: archetypes thing. You know, you're the you're the provider, you're
Speaker 3: the fighter, You're the head of the household. You know,
Speaker 3: you're the one who takes care of your wife so
Speaker 3: that she can take care of you know, of the
Speaker 3: children of the home, or you know, you're like your
Speaker 3: your partner in in your case. And you know, that's
Speaker 3: the archetype of the man. We're not supposed to like
Speaker 3: show any emotions. We're supposed to work, fight and you know,
Speaker 3: take care of everyone, work, fight, provide, that's what we
Speaker 3: are supposed to do. Emotions I have no place in
Speaker 3: that because that takes away from the focus on, you know,
Speaker 3: all the things which.
Speaker 4: I see as at a goal. Because you have to
Speaker 4: work hard to be able to be emotional. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: Easier to close yourself off emotionally than to open up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yes, but to me, that's a reward being
Speaker 4: able to be comfortable enough to be emotional. So I
Speaker 4: gotta take care of my ship first for me to
Speaker 4: be satisfied, and therefore I could express my emotions.
Speaker 3: But that feeling of satisfaction, like, that's another goal post
Speaker 3: that you can keep pushing and pushing and pushing. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: I reached this, cool, but it'd be even better and
Speaker 3: I'd feel even greater if I had to work. If
Speaker 3: I were to reach this, and then you're there because
Speaker 3: you know, you work your butt off, as man usually do.
Speaker 3: But then you're there and you're like, this is nice.
Speaker 3: I can go further, I can do more, so I'll
Speaker 3: be like fully satisfied if I reach not.
Speaker 4: So that's that's I guess, always something new.
Speaker 3: Especially for man. It's an ever moving goalpost, like you're
Speaker 3: never satisfied. It can always be bigger. You can always
Speaker 3: be more, always be grander, always be better.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like that's that's how bodybuilders blow up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I can always be bigger.
Speaker 3: I can always be more symmetrical, you know, I can
Speaker 3: always have like more roundings, fuller, more as triation, more this,
Speaker 3: more that more. You know.
Speaker 4: What, why can't have you been to the US once? Yeah?
Speaker 4: When are you coming back? Good question?
Speaker 3: It's expensive, it's expensive as hell. Well, I do want
Speaker 3: to come back soon. I don't want to I want
Speaker 3: to be with my with my wife very much. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, for sure Colorado, but there are other places
Speaker 3: that I would like to to go as well, other
Speaker 3: people that I would like to would like to visit,
Speaker 3: so kind of like up and down the East coast.
Speaker 3: I know, I know a couple that I'd like to visit,
Speaker 3: a couple on the West coast, of course, and probably
Speaker 3: just like chill somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I was in Mission No,
Speaker 4: the whole the nonprofit and hopefully that was the whole thing,
Speaker 4: to do a retreat where people could meet you know, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be cool. I mean, I with the tribe.
Speaker 3: I have a similar thing.
Speaker 5: With the Grove of Odin.
Speaker 3: Of course, I don't really talk about it as much
Speaker 3: because I'm not as as involved as I would like
Speaker 3: to be. I should involve myself more.
Speaker 4: Again, did you create that? It was?
Speaker 3: Is my idea. Yes, but it was someone else's former
Speaker 3: moderator of mine and someone who I am kind of
Speaker 3: reconnecting with again who really got the ball rolling and
Speaker 3: filled in the paperwork.
Speaker 4: And all of that.
Speaker 3: And I'm still thinking of like kind of doing the
Speaker 3: same thing here in the in the Netherlands too, like
Speaker 3: at least have it registered and then like go go
Speaker 3: from there. But yeah, I mean that's that I want
Speaker 3: to do so much, but only so much hours in
Speaker 3: the day and I have a lot to a lot
Speaker 3: to work on, a lot to think about kids, evil acts,
Speaker 3: my wife of course, family here that I that I
Speaker 3: I want to look out for and take care of
Speaker 3: when they when.
Speaker 4: They I always I always said, if if somebody talks
Speaker 4: about about a partner, you're not saying what you did wrong.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: So it's best to just say it didn't work out.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it.
Speaker 5: Boy, I'm not going to go into that.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a different kind of podcast. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't don't feel like trauma bonding right now. Well, no,
Speaker 3: that's yeah. So boy, you know, I think it's so
Speaker 3: funny that, like in the your group the other day,
Speaker 3: like you said, like you know, I'm not as well
Speaker 3: spoken as the rest of you, but dude, you vastly
Speaker 3: underestimate yourself, like you Well.
Speaker 4: That's the aquarius, right. I don't see myself as being this.
Speaker 4: I don't see myself as other people see me.
Speaker 3: So kind of like a permanent imposter syndrome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it came to always hiding myself who
Speaker 4: I am, I want to be judged and which I'm
Speaker 4: to this day I'm being judged.
Speaker 3: You know you'll always be judged. No, yes, not always,
Speaker 3: not always openly. But like even as you know, even
Speaker 3: so much as you know you're walking down the street,
Speaker 3: people who do not know you are like complete strangers
Speaker 3: who you know, just lay eyes upon you. They don't
Speaker 3: even know you, they'll never see you again, but just
Speaker 3: you know, the way that you look, the way that
Speaker 3: you that you act, the way that you you hold yourself,
Speaker 3: they'll judge you for it. Like just based on that
Speaker 3: split second.
Speaker 4: Sure, and I have my my own I don't want
Speaker 4: to say judgments my own analysis of anybody also, but
Speaker 4: I think deep down, if you I do feel like
Speaker 4: God is disappointed of how people act. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 4: feel like it's me. It's like, man, it's like I'm
Speaker 4: the eyes of God. You know. It's like, oh man,
Speaker 4: that's why are people like this? It makes no sense.
Speaker 5: It's time for another cataclysm.
Speaker 3: Might say no, like I would be too if I
Speaker 3: were gone, And I'm just like looking down, looking, you know,
Speaker 3: down on mankind.
Speaker 5: And like, what the fuck are you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Stop it?
Speaker 5: This is not No, that's not what I created that for.
Speaker 5: What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm just like, okay, because it's time for another flood.
Speaker 6: There he goes, need to start over again. I fucked
Speaker 6: up again, apparently, Jesus. Yes, uh flo the volcano everything
Speaker 6: like it's new game.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, start from the beginning. It's always yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: Like maybe that's why I like the beginning back.
Speaker 3: To square one, make make everyone rethink everything they ever did.
Speaker 3: It's like, was it really worth it?
Speaker 6: I mean, look at where we are now.
Speaker 4: And that's what led me to the procreation thing. I
Speaker 4: don't imagine there were no humans and and it's funny
Speaker 4: because I sent this in the group chat, like I
Speaker 4: was playing a Viada game and it goes to this
Speaker 4: new world and then I look, it's so peaceful, greenery, plants,
Speaker 4: animals that oh there's no humans. So that's why I said,
Speaker 4: maybe we're not. Once our soul well relieves the body,
Speaker 4: they're happy where whatever they are.
Speaker 5: No, that's uh, I mean, that's that's uh I.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean we saw that like during during the COVID
Speaker 3: years when you know, like no cars out on the streets,
Speaker 3: everyone was working from home and whatever. Nature started to
Speaker 3: fucking flourish again because we didn't you know, fucking racket
Speaker 3: as much as we did. And now everything is back
Speaker 3: to normal whatever normal. Maybe maybe it's the new normal.
Speaker 3: Who knows. And you know, like we're slowly but surely
Speaker 3: going back to square fucking one. And it's like, guys,
Speaker 3: we're supposed to learn from events like this, you know,
Speaker 3: And that's why a whole lot of people are still
Speaker 3: working from home because they're like, well, I mean I
Speaker 3: did it for like two three years straight. Why would
Speaker 3: I go back to the office, Like clearly it's not necessary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're still working and they're not enjoying nature.
Speaker 4: Yeah no.
Speaker 5: But the see, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: When you're working from home in your own space, like
Speaker 3: you can truly do whatever you want, Like it saves
Speaker 3: you hours on the commute, you know. Like for example,
Speaker 3: the job that I have now delivering groceries, I'll be
Speaker 3: you know, doing security again by the end of this month,
Speaker 3: somebody in the march. But you know, it's like an
Speaker 3: hour and a half commute like to and back. So
Speaker 3: if I could like just do this, you know, like podcasting,
Speaker 3: writing and whatever, have a creative job that I can
Speaker 3: do from this very desk, that already would save me
Speaker 3: three hours in a day for just the commute, okay,
Speaker 3: and those three hours, I mean I could in for
Speaker 3: another three hours. I could go to the gym for
Speaker 3: those three hours, I could take a walk, I could
Speaker 3: take a stroll just through town and like still have
Speaker 3: an hour and a half two hours left. So it
Speaker 3: would save me money on the commute because I'm still
Speaker 3: paying for it, you know. Taking public transport it's pretty
Speaker 3: good here in the Netherlands, not fantastic, but you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm into trans different kind of public tea public transportation.
Speaker 4: I take public transportation like I take a bout myself.
Speaker 4: I think public transportation. So yeah, I enjoy and I
Speaker 4: enjoy trans.
Speaker 6: Okay, cab it okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But like say me on money, it saves
Speaker 3: me on time, you know, it is money every week
Speaker 3: every day that I am able to save. It is
Speaker 3: time every day that I am able to save. So like,
Speaker 3: if there are so many people who you know, like
Speaker 3: can work from home, like just do zoom meetings and
Speaker 3: filing papers and reports and from them whatever, just shit
Speaker 3: that you can do from your computer, why would you
Speaker 3: go back to the office. Why would you sit in
Speaker 3: traffic for two fucking hours too? And back pay for gas?
Speaker 3: Pay for this, pay for that, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's why I don't drive. Why we have
Speaker 4: a car, but I don't drive it because I'm like,
Speaker 4: why am I paying like four hundred bucks a month
Speaker 4: for the stupid for this car spending gas insurance, which
Speaker 4: that when I discovered how the world runs, like this
Speaker 4: is a big ass scam. Yeah, paying monthly for a
Speaker 4: car that if I do get to an accident, if
Speaker 4: I choose to go through the insurance route, it's going
Speaker 4: to go up in premium, so might as well put
Speaker 4: out of pocket, which is like the pizza purpose of
Speaker 4: paying for insurance. Yeah, so even then I'm like, actually,
Speaker 4: I'm like I was, I was even thinking of creating
Speaker 4: my insurance company and be look, it's not going to
Speaker 4: cover much. But because you have to have insurance, pay
Speaker 4: like twenty twenty five bucks a month, but it doesn't
Speaker 4: cover you, you're on your own, like be transparrent with people.
Speaker 4: That's when I was like, this is how you connect
Speaker 4: with people through good deeds, I think.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the best that you can do. Like
Speaker 3: your mindset's reading the right mindset, Like the whole fucking
Speaker 3: system is corrupt. Okay, I'll do it myself. Yes, And
Speaker 3: that's what so many other people are doing. What's what
Speaker 3: so many other people are thinking, Like they have a
Speaker 3: nine to five mind nubbing, soul killing job, and you
Speaker 3: know they have like a psyche like this for example,
Speaker 3: you know, YouTube content creation, whatever it is. I've seen
Speaker 3: many video creators. The most recent one that I can
Speaker 3: think of is Jess up the Shire. She does like
Speaker 3: a lot of Luther Rings themed stuff, like her whole
Speaker 3: channel is based on North Rings and some Real again
Speaker 3: and jrr jr rt Holkien and she had a she
Speaker 3: had a job like aside from like her channel, and
Speaker 3: then she I don't know, like she got sick or
Speaker 3: like she took like a couple of weeks of work
Speaker 3: or something and decided to like focus a full time
Speaker 3: on her channel. And she blew up, you know, like
Speaker 3: she's now at Oh god, I think like one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand, I don't know some subscribers. You know,
Speaker 3: she's getting regular sponsorship deals and whatever. So hey, I
Speaker 3: do think.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but you know, looking.
Speaker 3: At the out of content that she is putting out now,
Speaker 3: I think she made it.
Speaker 5: Into her full time job, which is still a.
Speaker 3: Lot of work, you know. Like, yes, I have often
Speaker 3: said more recently so that you know, podcasting is my
Speaker 3: unpaid full time job, Like I may not always be recording,
Speaker 3: but I am so often doing.
Speaker 5: Something, you know, looking for guests, look for guests.
Speaker 3: Doing promo swaps, editing, uploading, you know, promoting, looking for sponsors.
Speaker 3: It's a whole lot of fucking work, and I am
Speaker 3: not getting paid for it in the slightest.
Speaker 4: Why did you start podcasting from the beginning and what
Speaker 4: was it the purpose.
Speaker 3: I've always needed a creative outlet, something that, especially something
Speaker 3: that I have control over, because I don't do well
Speaker 3: working for others, strong minded, strong willed, So like whenever
Speaker 3: I see things that I'm like, this could be better,
Speaker 3: I'll tell them. It's also the Dutch directness on the
Speaker 3: work of my favor. Not always it's like, hey, have
Speaker 3: you considered doing it that way?
Speaker 5: And it all started.
Speaker 3: It's funny, like as with so many things, it started
Speaker 3: during the COVID years, Like I lost my job. I
Speaker 3: was a I was a freelance cook. All restaurants closed,
Speaker 3: so I was out of a job, out of a
Speaker 3: salary because you know, freelance, no no work, no pay.
Speaker 3: And I started doing deliveries because you know, like everything
Speaker 3: started to be delivery based. And at a certain point,
Speaker 3: like I heard, I listened to the same playlist, like
Speaker 3: music playlists every day, and at a certain point, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, I've heard my whole playlist like ten
Speaker 3: times today. Already I need something else. And like radio,
Speaker 3: it really was my thing I knew of, so like
Speaker 3: I kind of started listening to some some podcasts. I
Speaker 3: found out that there were podcasts to do with, you know,
Speaker 3: Heathen Ree and the occults. It really started for me
Speaker 3: with my Third Eye and the occult rejects, and it's
Speaker 3: funny like now I can kind of count myself among
Speaker 3: those same circles, which is still weird to me. And
Speaker 3: I had my first guest spot on my Third Eye
Speaker 3: about Tartaria, like the whole Tartaria thing that's always been
Speaker 3: like one of my favorite rabbit holes. I had like
Speaker 3: my laptop that you see in the background, no headphones,
Speaker 3: no mic, so just laptop mike horrendous of course, laptop
Speaker 3: cam horrendous, of course.
Speaker 5: Humble beginnings.
Speaker 4: And I liked that.
Speaker 3: I liked I liked doing that, so you know, I
Speaker 3: came on for a second time and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: this is fun. I'm gonna do this myself because why not.
Speaker 3: You know, I have food control over it. It's creative endeavor.
Speaker 3: I can talk about shit that I like. So I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna do it. And I've been doing it now
Speaker 3: for I want to say, two coming up on three years,
Speaker 3: and I am fucking dedicated. You know, it's sometimes too dedicated,
Speaker 3: doing six shows in a weekend.
Speaker 4: No it shows. I could I see that right away.
Speaker 4: You're a hard worker, you could tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean I actually enjoy I actually enjoy this.
Speaker 5: I actually enjoy this.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep grinding until like I get I
Speaker 3: get paid, and then I'm just gonna keep grinding till
Speaker 3: it pays enough.
Speaker 5: And then I'll, you know, I'll brunch.
Speaker 4: Out do other things, Sonny, while you were talking, because
Speaker 4: I've learned to trust my mind, what thoughts come to
Speaker 4: my mind. I think that's how religion started, right, that's
Speaker 4: we're one. But then there's no let's let me do
Speaker 4: it my way like a pot like even me. That's
Speaker 4: how I created my podcast and like these people replating
Speaker 4: the same thing, I'm having different thoughts. Let me do
Speaker 4: my own. And now there's so many podcasts. There's so
Speaker 4: many podcasts. Yeah, like with them may think of religion,
Speaker 4: there's different branches. Yeah, okay, so I think we have
Speaker 4: to refocus and oh, there you go. That's what evolution is,
Speaker 4: the real evolution, your evolution. You're your thought right, your
Speaker 4: thought process. Because I'm getting maybe you're you just want
Speaker 4: to do your own because that's how I started my own.
Speaker 4: I wanted to. It was like a journal for me
Speaker 4: for my growth. Yeah, just talking. That's so I don't
Speaker 4: have thirty four thirty five episodes. I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm taking a pause, right because and actually you're no,
Speaker 4: you're the second one I've done since probably in one.
Speaker 4: But yeah, anyways, I think that's what was it going. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think maybe that's for so many religions, so many
Speaker 4: branches even now, I mean, doing a nonprofit and like
Speaker 4: when there's so many already, why can't join them? But
Speaker 4: because is it a trust thing? Or well, because you
Speaker 4: want to create your own group you trust.
Speaker 3: And be and like be in control of it. Because
Speaker 3: I think that is especially in these more modern times,
Speaker 3: let's say the last I want to say, like the
Speaker 3: last fifteen twenty years or so, like we've really seen that,
Speaker 3: you know, the people who are in power or you know,
Speaker 3: with perceived power at least can't trust them or you know,
Speaker 3: like they say they're they're.
Speaker 5: Doing one thing because oh, you know, like bad people there.
Speaker 3: But then it's like no, they were actually doing it
Speaker 3: for a whole other reason and they just they needed escapegoat,
Speaker 3: so they made escapegoat. So I'm just gonna do it myself.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's also why I started the drive
Speaker 3: of the Ground Pagans. I've been in so many like
Speaker 3: pagan groups, pagan focused groups, Heathen Viking whatever, and you know,
Speaker 3: always been well received, but it always went down the
Speaker 3: drink for some reason, especially when ego came into play,
Speaker 3: you know, when it stopped being about the group and
Speaker 3: started being about one person or you know.
Speaker 5: Like a couple of people in particular.
Speaker 3: Every time the downfall, and I was sick and tired
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, I'll find a new group, I guess,
Speaker 3: and I hope that they don't fucking falter. I got
Speaker 3: so tired of it together with you know, with my wife,
Speaker 3: because wherever I go, she goes as well.
Speaker 5: She is mean ship.
Speaker 3: She may be four foot eleven, my god, damn, she's
Speaker 3: a spitfire. Well I got so fucking tired of that
Speaker 3: that I was just like, like, just like with the podcast,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'll fucking do it myself.
Speaker 3: So I started the tribe with the Grand Pagans. We've
Speaker 3: had her ups and downs. It hasn't always been easy,
Speaker 3: you know, We've had many many forms, if you will,
Speaker 3: but it's always been about the same thing. It's always
Speaker 3: been about coming together connecting with each other, learning from
Speaker 3: each other, having you know, as many different archetypes characterists,
Speaker 3: people from different spiritual paths and beliefs in one place
Speaker 3: so that we may learn. That's what the tribe was about.
Speaker 3: I wanted to create a open space for everyone to
Speaker 3: just come together and like just have two basic basic rules,
Speaker 3: like there are no taboos aside from the you know,
Speaker 3: like actual horrendous stuff, you know, like the pddy kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, you know, the things that those upper echelon
Speaker 3: people do.
Speaker 5: But the sexual war bar and stuff, that's a no
Speaker 5: fucking go.
Speaker 3: You don't know that's happening, you don't know, not openly
Speaker 3: in the tribe. Let's let's just put it whatever you
Speaker 3: do in your private life, I see, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't want to know, Like, don't tell me, do you.
Speaker 5: That's fine, Just.
Speaker 3: Don't bring it into the tribe. That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 3: And just be respectful to each other. So respect no
Speaker 3: sexual deviant ship, that's all I ask.
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're a I don't know, national socialist,
Speaker 3: of paying in, a Christian, A a somewhere in between,
Speaker 3: a nothing at all. I don't care, You're most welcome
Speaker 3: to join. You know, have an open discussion, have just
Speaker 3: just have chat.
Speaker 5: I don't really care.
Speaker 3: Just have a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, don't get offended, don't take a person all,
Speaker 4: but don't be an asshole exactly.
Speaker 3: And you know, if there are you know, if you
Speaker 3: have a personal beef with someone, then you know, do
Speaker 3: it in person exactly. It should be that hard, so
Speaker 3: she said, dude, she likes your hard Actually, uh.
Speaker 4: Nice, Okay, here we go. Yet, when was the last
Speaker 4: time you I saw each other?
Speaker 3: During the COVID years, I managed to get myself across
Speaker 3: the border. Being a pure blood still I never had
Speaker 3: any inoculations. Still managed to get myself across the border.
Speaker 3: I had to have a certain shot, a certain prick
Speaker 3: to be able to travel.
Speaker 5: I see, I managed to do it without.
Speaker 4: Oh right, you just got a thoughts or just signed
Speaker 4: the form or somewhere. Maybe good for you. I bought
Speaker 4: a card telegram, yeah, the Mexican way.
Speaker 6: Yeah pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, and yeah so that was that was a
Speaker 5: while ago.
Speaker 3: But it's it's just so expensive. I mean, luckily, like
Speaker 3: I have my driver's license now, so that saves a
Speaker 3: whole lot of problems. I'm just having to uber everywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so annoying.
Speaker 4: You mean the state.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm I'm I'm Dutch. I'm used to
Speaker 3: like just cycling everywhere or walking everywhere.
Speaker 5: Nothing is walking.
Speaker 3: Distance the city.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, like I was.
Speaker 3: I I was staying at Airbnb, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I like, i need to do some
Speaker 3: groceries for myself. I'm just gonna walk like to to Walmart.
Speaker 3: See what that's about.
Speaker 5: It was a forty five minute walk two and back.
Speaker 3: And I was like, holy fucking should mine? I mean,
Speaker 3: I can do it, like I'm fit enough. But you know,
Speaker 3: I was also like in Colorado, so you know, the
Speaker 3: air is very very different there, Like it's a lot
Speaker 3: higher up like the Netherlands were, you know, below sea level.
Speaker 5: It's thanks to a couple of good dykes and some.
Speaker 3: Pretty well engineer, pretty good engineers that we haven't sunk yet. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you can stick your finger in those two
Speaker 3: yeah or two. But then to like be you know,
Speaker 3: be higher up, be in a mountainous area. And she
Speaker 3: was working at a like gym spat thing, like all
Speaker 3: wellness thing.
Speaker 5: Back then.
Speaker 3: So I had you know, access to U two gym equipment.
Speaker 3: I've always been like, especially since my twenties, I've been
Speaker 3: you know, a bit of a gym rat. So I
Speaker 3: was like, hell, yeah, you know, fucking bench, put lots
Speaker 3: of plates on, and I'm like, why is this so
Speaker 3: much heavier all of a sudden because there's a less
Speaker 3: oxygen in the air, and I was like, oh fuck.
Speaker 3: Went on the assault bike, you know, and it's a
Speaker 3: good warmup, like go.
Speaker 4: Go, go go.
Speaker 3: I was blowing the fuck up afterwards, and I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this is doing a number on me. My lungs were
Speaker 3: burning and what And I was like, holy shit, I
Speaker 3: have never felt this before.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: A good month. Okay, Yeah, stayed a lot longer than
Speaker 3: I was supposed to. I was fucking broke afterwards, but
Speaker 3: I just I didn't want to leave bug. You know,
Speaker 3: still responsibilities here. Got two kids, so you know, and
Speaker 3: they do like it when when daddy's home, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, there was it was.
Speaker 5: It was a good time.
Speaker 3: I but I wish I I could have stayed longer.
Speaker 3: But she is making her way over here to Europe,
Speaker 3: you know, filling in all the all the necessary papers,
Speaker 3: doing all the necessary things because she really wants to
Speaker 3: leave the US.
Speaker 4: And I do not blame her, that's all you make
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess anywhere you go, sure, but like
Speaker 3: in her position, in her situation, it's better to it's
Speaker 3: better to be here. It's better to be here, and
Speaker 3: you're better to be here in the Netherlands. It's it's
Speaker 3: not just you know, because her husband me actually lives
Speaker 3: here in young entire family in law and everyone who
Speaker 3: loves her, but also like from a medical standpoint, like
Speaker 3: care and just you know, job wise and health wise
Speaker 3: and everything. And you know, her son, he is on
Speaker 3: the the autism spectrum. He's a good kid. He's a
Speaker 3: bright kid, for sure, but you know, he would just
Speaker 3: be so much better off here than in the States.
Speaker 3: And like that's just from a healthcare perspective, because with
Speaker 3: the whole like insurance and health insurance stuff, Like my
Speaker 3: wife can only work like a max of twenty hours
Speaker 3: a week because otherwise, you know, they're taking her health
Speaker 3: care away and she needs, you know, a little.
Speaker 5: Little extra because of her son.
Speaker 3: And she's still like she's working. She is on what
Speaker 3: is it Medicaid and food stamps and still struggling, so
Speaker 3: you know, like welcome to America everyone, So yeah for
Speaker 3: her there, So there are a lot of valid reasons
Speaker 3: to to move out, and she and her mother as
Speaker 3: well would be much better off here, or at the
Speaker 3: very least here in Europe.
Speaker 4: One thing about autism, to correlate that with planets because
Speaker 4: they're from a different planet, right, but you have to
Speaker 4: go to their world to understand them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: That is how it's often described, like they you know,
Speaker 3: they live in their own, their own world, and.
Speaker 4: I think people should understand it that way, like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is what an alien is. You know.
Speaker 5: People should do a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's okay. That was my purpose of the podcast too,
Speaker 4: Like I want people to I've said it before, to
Speaker 4: be the word don't be an example for you what
Speaker 4: you're saying. Don't just say that I don't, especially religious people,
Speaker 4: and you have to tell people that you want to, yeah,
Speaker 4: practice what you preach and you want people to follow
Speaker 4: you or follow the word of Christ or whatever it be.
Speaker 5: The word exactly.
Speaker 4: You're saying. It doesn't make it so don't you have
Speaker 4: to attract people to ask you what are you doing? Then?
Speaker 4: Why are you so happy. Why are you so calmed
Speaker 4: when that happens. You are God, you know, you are
Speaker 4: the example. You are the Jesus whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call yourself. Don't tell me, and don't tell me judge me,
Speaker 4: don't tell me what I should be.
Speaker 3: Doing, right, I mean, as someone who follows the pagan path,
Speaker 3: follows the old gods, I've heard so many times like
Speaker 3: your gods are demons, your gods are false gods. You know, like,
Speaker 3: convert now and no embrace Jesus or you'll burn in hell.
Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, that'll do it, you know, tell
Speaker 3: me basically tell me the the ah old convert or die.
Speaker 4: Fine, I guess I'll die like the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just you know, telling me what will
Speaker 3: happen if I don't convert. It's not going to do
Speaker 3: it for me, you know, like you're not gonna. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm not one of those pagans that you can scare
Speaker 3: into conversion. You know, show me the benefits, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, you know you'll receive this and that and
Speaker 3: you know your life will just be so much grander. Okay,
Speaker 3: show me, no, no, no, believe me, bro, trust me, Bro,
Speaker 3: you know trust God.
Speaker 4: Why show me?
Speaker 5: Why don't tell me?
Speaker 3: Why show me why?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's between you and God. If
Speaker 4: somebody needs to tell you they're not with God.
Speaker 3: No, exactly, if you have to explain it to someone, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you have to explain why it's so good, then.
Speaker 4: You know people are not seeing it exactly.
Speaker 3: Friends from a moment.
Speaker 5: But we're good.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I need to I need to get a
Speaker 5: new computer. It's expensive anyway.
Speaker 3: It's it's good that you're you're actually thinking the way
Speaker 3: you should talk to. One of my moderators even know,
Speaker 3: I forget her name. That's so bad. Yeah, I'm so bad.
Speaker 4: They're the worst.
Speaker 5: No, but no, why can I think of her freaking name?
Speaker 3: She is Soriyah.
Speaker 4: Okay, Soraya she is.
Speaker 3: She's amazing, and she is like another one of those,
Speaker 3: another one of those. They seem to be very limited
Speaker 3: in number, but a Christian that doesn't judge, you know,
Speaker 3: and like she she lets people be whoever they want
Speaker 3: to be, you know, she follows the truth. Like, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: they're so like they're very few far between, unfortunately, And
Speaker 3: the great thing is that she's like she's moderator of
Speaker 3: a freaking pagan tribe, of a pagan group, and she's
Speaker 3: a Christian herself. But that's because you know, she she
Speaker 3: sees the like the value for us.
Speaker 5: It's not a path for her.
Speaker 3: And yes, of course she would much prefer we were Christian,
Speaker 3: you know, but you know, she won't condemn us for
Speaker 3: being pagan. She doesn't think less of us because we're
Speaker 3: not Christian. It's like, yeah, I mean, I prefer it,
Speaker 3: but you know you're good people, so sure, And I
Speaker 3: know I mean Todd Dean Blackwell, he's he's the saying like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he'd prefer it if I were Christian, but
Speaker 3: you know he sees, you know, he sees I'm a
Speaker 3: good guy. So you know, he'll come on and talk
Speaker 3: about things and all of that. He'll converse with me
Speaker 3: and not try to convert me.
Speaker 5: And I've had like another one on.
Speaker 3: The podcast who was more at hardcore, like Pamela Walk.
Speaker 3: She has a very interesting story. But she was so
Speaker 3: confused because I said to her, like, I see the
Speaker 3: value in the teachings. I acknowledge the teachings. I acknowledge
Speaker 3: that in the Bible there is truth to be found.
Speaker 3: At the very least, you know, I'm very open to that.
Speaker 3: I've learned a lot over the years.
Speaker 5: And she was kind of like I could see her thinking.
Speaker 3: Then, why aren't you Christian? I was like, well, because
Speaker 3: that's not the path for me. That's not what I
Speaker 3: resonate with. I resonate with the old gods of Europe.
Speaker 3: You know, those are the gods of my ancestors. That's
Speaker 3: the culture of my ancestors.
Speaker 4: So that's and maybe she should make the effort to
Speaker 4: get to know your I mean, she.
Speaker 3: Did ask about it, you know, she tried to. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if she tried to understand it, but
Speaker 3: at the very least, you know, she she asked about it,
Speaker 3: like she was like, okay, but then like, what do
Speaker 3: you believe? What are your gods? What is your Bible? Well,
Speaker 3: we don't have a Bible. What do you mean, well,
Speaker 3: we don't have any religious texts? Then who tells you
Speaker 3: what you should and shouldn't do?
Speaker 4: I wrote it like Christians, what are Christians allowed to think?
Speaker 4: Because they just go based on those texts. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's that's weird. Yeah. So that's when I was reading
Speaker 4: the Bible I compared it to the government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, telling you what you can't and what
Speaker 3: you can and can do, what you can and can't think,
Speaker 3: how you're supposed to think, how you're supposed to.
Speaker 4: Act, and how about God brought plagues and all these
Speaker 4: things in the way. This is COVID again. It's been
Speaker 4: happening since the Bible and Salon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, i'm's cyclical. It's not it's not a
Speaker 3: trade line. It's cyclical. You know.
Speaker 4: You know Josh Monday, he's a Christian. He's a Christian
Speaker 4: podcast and conspiracy podcasts. He lives not too part from me.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna come next week. But yeah, he's
Speaker 4: like a he's a true Christian and I love him.
Speaker 4: He's you know, he doesn't of course he be first
Speaker 4: if I were a Christian, but you know, my lifestyle
Speaker 4: whatever I am, doesn't allow me. But we're you know,
Speaker 4: we're friends, and I'm like, yeah, this is a Christian.
Speaker 4: He he loves people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's he is practice. He is being the word.
Speaker 4: He's he has a nice energy about him. Anybody loves him.
Speaker 4: He has a nice smile. He's he's a piece.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, that makes it a lot easier
Speaker 3: to like, first of all, talk to people if they're
Speaker 3: just nice and you know, i'd say especially for for
Speaker 3: the seekers and those who are you know, maybe still
Speaker 3: a bit lost. It makes it a lot easier for
Speaker 3: them to be like hey, you know, like as you said, like, hey,
Speaker 3: he's a nice guy. He has a good energy around him,
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's vibing in all the right ways.
Speaker 3: How what like, what's what's his story? What's his deal?
Speaker 6: You know, CHRISTI amony and love and this and that.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, that sounds good. I would like to
Speaker 3: be that too, you know, if I can then like
Speaker 3: Crow to be like you yeah exactly, you know, like
Speaker 3: be the example. Don't just tell people like, oh you
Speaker 3: should do this, Okay, cool, I should do a lot
Speaker 3: of things and I shouldn't do a lot of things
Speaker 3: that I still do. So fucking what.
Speaker 5: Yeah, only God can judge me, but I will too.
Speaker 3: Oh so that makes you God? Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not God. But I thought only God could judge me.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but you know, there we.
Speaker 4: Go, and you know how they say, where our worst critic,
Speaker 4: we're judging ourselves. Therefore, we are God.
Speaker 3: Okay, nice, Yeah, I mean that's kind of you know,
Speaker 3: like the whole going back to the like diy thing
Speaker 3: like I'll do with myself because of like different experiences.
Speaker 3: I mean that that capsulates like pretty much everything. Like
Speaker 3: that's what a lot of people say, like we are sores.
Speaker 3: We are God experiencing itself. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a diamond, and we're all the different facets of
Speaker 3: source of God. You know, he is not just like yeah,
Speaker 3: it's for us at least, it's the human experience. We're
Speaker 3: both human. I appreciate more or less, yes, but you know,
Speaker 3: like you live a whole different life than I do,
Speaker 3: so your experiences are a lot different than mine. You know,
Speaker 3: we think about the same things a lot. We have
Speaker 3: opinions that maybe are the same or overlap or thoughts
Speaker 3: that we you know, we both think. We're still two
Speaker 3: very very different people, so we have different experiences, learn
Speaker 3: different things from that, and you know, for example, by
Speaker 3: the medium of podcasting, we can share those experiences, learn
Speaker 3: from each other so that we you know, may understand
Speaker 3: what you're going through. You understand kind of what I'm
Speaker 3: you know, what I'm doing, what I'm going through, which
Speaker 3: is yes, it's a it's a beautiful it's a beautiful connection.
Speaker 4: And the process could be different, but the result is
Speaker 4: the same. It's the same results. Well, we have different
Speaker 4: thought to metas to that conclusion. So I don't think
Speaker 4: it's it's even like a homeless person could teach me something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, I'm gonna and again that's God putting these
Speaker 4: things on me, like I was meant to see this. Okay,
Speaker 4: thank you. So be more aware of your surroundings, more
Speaker 4: aware of the signs signed.
Speaker 3: Yes, you've got to working, have to go, man, gotta
Speaker 3: pluck in, do your job, go home.
Speaker 4: It's Friday, though, so oh I'm gonna to go shoot
Speaker 4: some guns after work.
Speaker 3: That's typical American of course. Good.
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I've never done it, so really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, have fun after work, and good
Speaker 3: luck with you know, getting getting through the day. Just
Speaker 3: keep in mind guns after work, release after work, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe shoot your gun after work.
Speaker 4: I did it before.
Speaker 6: I mean, you're you're you're a viral man.
Speaker 5: You can like you you're not that old. Yeah you
Speaker 5: can still do it twice a day?
Speaker 4: Yeah nice? Yeah, Okay, On that note, okay, thank you
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no problem, man, real quick work. And where
Speaker 3: can the people find you?
Speaker 1: Know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but your stuff?
Speaker 4: I'm in Spotify Life is a Dream that that's an
Speaker 4: awakening podcast. You could even attach my email if you'll
Speaker 4: want to reach me. Nobody has actually, which is I
Speaker 4: don't sign but yeah, that's where you can find me
Speaker 4: on Spotify.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3: How can you register yourself? Miltonious Aurelius.
Speaker 4: I was given that name, so I'm like, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: use it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's your actual name?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm saying someone else.
Speaker 6: I'd say.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's pretty fun.
Speaker 3: That's pretty fucking epic. If that works, be your actual name.
Speaker 5: That was really cool.
Speaker 4: Oh but my last name, oh compo. My it was
Speaker 4: just accompole without the apostrophe. My English teacher put the apostrophe,
Speaker 4: so she made me Irish. That's cool.
Speaker 3: If you're on the ary Irish. Yes, nice, nice, Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for coming on. Man. I'll make
Speaker 3: sure you, you know, put all your your links in
Speaker 3: the description box down below. Of course, I'll make sure
Speaker 3: that on both the audio and video platforms they are there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, thanks everyone for watching. Thanks everyone for listening.
Speaker 3: This has been pretty free flowing, you know, like kind
Speaker 3: of you know, we went off the deep ends pretty
Speaker 3: pretty quick actually, you know, as as we do.
Speaker 5: You know, no, no shallow, go deep or just don't
Speaker 5: don't do it.
Speaker 3: That's what she said. And that's actually not what she said.
Speaker 4: It's gotta get you too, and that just me.
Speaker 3: She already did today. She already broke me. But you
Speaker 3: know that's that's that's fine. I still love her.
Speaker 4: H Yeah.
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