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Speaker 4: Dig down in a forest, Man, it gonna.

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Speaker 3: Cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 4: Man, nobody see, nobody.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to know. Man, you don't the pluck.

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Speaker 1: You followed at a little story and.

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Speaker 4: You got like like that. Man, Man, don't black a

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Speaker 3: Man, I know. All right, Arthur, welcome to the Jay

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Burton Show. How you doing that?

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Speaker 4: Doing good? Thanks for inviting me on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm glad to get you on.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You and I have been you know, kind of at

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a distance conversing for years now, right. You have a

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good substack. Highly recommend it. But it's the uh, you know,

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first time we've we've spoken face to face, I guess.

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And so you know, if you could, could you show

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my audience who you are and what you do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm a writer based out of California. I'm

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originally from Texas and retired military. Still working out here,

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as we said earlier, kind of behind enemy lines, and yeah,

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just trying to put out you know, good material, good content.

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I write on a number of things, not just politics,

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you know, things within the culture and what not just

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kind of what comes to mind from a right wing perspective.

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Of course.

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Speaker 3: Well look, I mean you wouldn't be on this show otherwise, right, Yeah, man,

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we were we were talking about just before we started

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rolling that you know, you're not you're not a native

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of California. And I'll be one hundred percent honest, I

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very rarely go out to California, and almost always when

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I do, I'm in La which I think is a godless,

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godless city for any number of reasons. But I'm curious, right,

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what sort of the benefits of you know, coming You're

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coming in as an outsider, right, imagine that lends you

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sort of a unique perspective on the state.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, you see things over here that

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are happening within you know, bureaucracy, policy and whatnot. And

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before we started, as I told you, been here for

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almost twenty years and coming from Texas from the south,

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from from a very red area, conservative area, and seeing

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these policies, and you ask kind of a native California,

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not even somebody who would consider themselves say progressive liberal,

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but just somebody you know, living day to day here

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and say why is that like that? And I still

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get kind of the stock response, even almost two decades later,

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of you know, welcome to California. It's almost a bit

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of a Stockholm syndrome for many that they've kind of

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gotten into this mindset of accepting things as they are.

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in the state that can hold an office, which you know,

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of course Knewsom and the rest of the Democrats are

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trying hard to extinguish as much as possible, but for

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many others, you almost have this mentality of getting ready

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to leave because for the most part, a lot of

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people like minded are making their plans pretty much saying

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we're moving out of here in the next few years,

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or we're going to move out after you know, the

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last kid graduates. And for a lot of people, you know,

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your producers are just leaving the state. So it's going

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to be an interesting dichotomy in the next you know,

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ten to fifteen years because people are already leaving. Of course,

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you know, we've all seen the memes and the jokes

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of U haul having to charge more for people leaving

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California because of you know, the high volume of U

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hauls being rented, and it's it's sad in a way too,

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because when you talk to you know, older Native Californias,

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your people within you know, the kind of even within

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that boomer era of remembering how the state was, how

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when it was the Golden State, and talk about how

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they could get a job, you know, on one side

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of the street and they didn't like that, they could

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just quit that and moved across the street to another job,

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and how it was affordable and it was the American

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dream and now it's it's just a lot of cope.

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you know, almost mocking the high prices, saying, well I

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pay for this, but look at that view and they

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show these these images of you know, as you said,

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you went to La I don't know if you went

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close to the beach, and yes, there are beautiful beaches,

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but that is just a tiny subset of the people

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who live in California who can just go to the

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beach every single day just to walk away or whatnot.

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it's insane. And you still have this imaginary idea of

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California as a cultural equality. And I wrote about this

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on an essay a while back about how hilarious it was.

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Times with I think Jim o'bowie, David French, our favorite

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Connie and writer, and I think Tressy Cottam, and Bowie

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was explaining how people moved to California so that, you know,

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if anything, maybe the prices are a little bit higher,

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but you have the cultural equality, people are treated equally.

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because California itself is such a balkanized state of cultural

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enclaves all over the place, you know, it's so it's

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so stratified that there is no there's not equality. You know,

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this this imaginary myth of California being this liberal kumbay

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a utopia. That's not the case at all, not at all.

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and what really struck me is one of the things

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that I didn't particularly like about it. There were several

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is I didn't really love the feeling of It's sort

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of reminded me of like, have you ever been to

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like a you know, resort in the Caribbean or something

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like that, or it's like you have, you know, the

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rich people, and then it just kind of servant class underneath.

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but it felt extremely stratified. And look, there's always that

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dynamic as at play anywhere, but you know, coming from

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the South, the gap is a little narrower, and you

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will meet people who do real jobs who are like you,

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you know, and they and they maybe you know, there's

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a little bit of a class dynamic there, but it

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feels as if you know, you know someone, you know

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you're within sort of reach of that. You know, maybe

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you know your house is a little nicer, your car's

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a little nicer, or vice versa. But there isn't this

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huge gap. And when I was in California, it's sort of,

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you know, it felt like, you know, what you see

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out of a place like Brazil. Okay, not quite as extreme,

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but very much this kind of is are you know,

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walled garden effect where there are you know, nice things

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for nice people, and then the kind of servants you know,

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skidter around the edge. And that was a dynamic I

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didn't particularly enjoy it. You know, maybe this is my

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kind of you know, liberal priors, but I don't think

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I enjoy servants all that much. And you know, you

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see that, of course, and you know these are anecdotals,

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anecdotal statements, but you see them nonetheless of you every

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time the conversation turns to immigration and you have you know, rich,

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you know, liberal women from you know, the Bay Area

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or you know, these kind of you know, extremely expensive

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cities talking about, well, who will tend to my garden?

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And that was something I wasn't quite I guess ready

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for the first time. I went, if you see what

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I'm getting at there, Arthur.

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Speaker 4: Now, I think you put it perfectly when saying different worlds,

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because you know, in the South, yes, there's people who

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are doing very well, but it's people that you would

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still possibly see, you know, at a church function or

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you know, public events, and there's a bit more mingling there.

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I mean, we talk a lot about you know, the

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aristocratic class and whatnot, but there's still they're still mingling

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there and within California that that kind of hits it

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right on the nose. The different worlds you know, the

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people of say del Mar, which is a very very

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rich area in southern California, are going to have nothing

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to do with whatsoever with someone from say Fred'sno or Stockton.

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That's just not going to be in their wheelhouse whatsoever.

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though we're saying a lot of mean things about California,

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there's a lot of good here too. There are a

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lot of nice, kind of rural areas, polite, friendly areas.

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not so much going to the defense for it and

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defend it fervently, but I do also point out, you know,

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especially to friends and family at home when they ask,

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you know, how can you still be out there? And

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areas that just you know, they live up to their

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stereotypes almost to the tea. But then there's other really

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nice areas. There's just friendly, polite people here. You know,

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it's so big that that is kind of another way

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of how people can cope with being here, because it's like, well,

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my little bubble here is pretty nice so far. But

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there is no there is no cutting to the truth

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that the reality is. You know, for regular people, you're

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making it or you're not. There's not a happy medium

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within there. And it's as you put, kind of you know,

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the servant class versus the elite class. And I am

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by no means as z Men used to say, you know,

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cloud people versus dirt people, by no means up in

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the cloud. But I you know, I do have a

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little bit of a bird's eye view, but that's only

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because of you know, the career and the life choices

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I made within you know, going into the military and whatnot.

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And so I mean full disclosure, I'm pretty much living

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here on about three to four incomes of what you know,

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besides what other pe can do, and that is solely

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due to my background and choices and whatnot. So if

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you're doing well here, then yeah, you can kind of

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have this truncated viewpoint of things are fine, things are good.

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that's what I really hammer on, especially about you know,

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zoomers in below, the lower generations, the younger generations of

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there's not really an opportunity here. The best example, first home,

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I bought was back in two thousand and nine, and

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I bought it for about one hundred and sixty thousand,

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four bedroom, two bath, and I live kind of in

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the central part of the state, in rural parts. And

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that's still you know, even when I bought that, I

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was telling, you know, friends at home and family, and

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they're going, that's an insane price. Well, I sold that

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home not a while back, and now on Zillo, allegedly

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a little four and two starter home that there was

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one sixty back in nine is now worth three hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars. It is not next to the beach,

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it's out of you know, a mountain retreat. It's it

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didn't have you know, twenty five to thirty five acres

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with it. How are you supposed to expect younger generations

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to get starter homes? How are they supposed to get

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you know, foreign families. And the rent's just as bad.

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Everything's gone up as well. And it's sad to see

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a state that was considered a golden state, you know,

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just a few decades ago, turning into this. I mean,

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right now, forty million people, but the estimates are twenty

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five to twenty seven percent are foreign born. So you

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have ten million people with no connection whatsoever to this state.

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along as normal into the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a couple of interesting things there, you know.

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I think of a you know, a friend of mine

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who's very, very smart and get a full ride through

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law school and got you know, one of those law

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jobs in LA right, you know, making what would be

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you know, a princely salary, especially straight out of school

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anywhere else in the nation. But you know, in order

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to be close enough to earn that he's paying I

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mean double my mortgage in rent for a studio apartment.

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are more expensive to live than others. But you know,

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I live in a very normal kind of median you know,

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American town, and it's one of those things as well,

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where you know, there was sort of a slow trade

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off where you know, as as the state got more expensive,

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well you could earn more, you know, and so it

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was sort of this balancing act. But I think the

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problem is is that for many people that's completely and

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totally out of whack. Now, you know, the additional compensation

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no longer you know, keeps up with the cost of living.

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And obviously, you know, this is not a conversation about affordability.

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young men trying to advance up the social ladder. But

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especially in a state with a massive, you know, massive

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welfare system with high taxes, right, you need ideally, you know,

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more producers than consumers. Obviously, you know, as we've seen

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with the homelessness and other things that, you know, math

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has been sort of shifted. But at a certain point,

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like if you're both making it very very difficult to

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impossible for someone to you know, enter into the economy,

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to become a pain contributing member, and also chasing away

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you know, your old older excuse me, you know, wealthy people.

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It's like, I don't understand how that book balances out.

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It seemingly is already not. But at a certain point, right,

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that system must give way to entropy.

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Speaker 4: Well exactly, And for California itself, how they talk about

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the hilarity of saying, well, we could be our own country.

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very proud, you know, It's kind of the old joke,

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how do you know if someone is from Texas, they

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tell you you don't even have to ask, And growing

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up there, there's a big sense of pride of course,

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is saying well, Texas could be its own country. Again,

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it's it's in our constitution, we have our own power grids.

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teenager asking that question of okay, and then what and

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then what happens because of the inter dependency of you know,

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economics and just how fragile Western you know, civilization in

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itself is, how is that exactly supposed to work? So

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it was kind of hilarious how they're they're bringing up

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talk again of California, could you know we could just

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break away and be our own thing? And I'm thinking, well,

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just recently, Newsom wouldn't is not even attending the governor's

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meeting with the Secretary of Interior to talk about the

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Colorado water crisis, Like he just entirely said I'm not

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going and California, I mean, just what's not said is

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how fragile things actually are, where they get their power from,

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where they get their water from. And it's I just

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don't see it as a viable thing, of course, but

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it's just troubling at times to hear so many voices

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within the public sphere. I mean Tim Waltz himself in Minnesota, Minneapolis,

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for example, saying, you know, we're about to have our

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Fort Sumter moment, and you're thinking, are you serious, really

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you're bringing on the federal power versus state power. It's

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and it's very humorous, you know, to a Southerner to

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hear these northern states say these things. But at the

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same time, it's it's like words do matter, and you

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are putting out some a troubling message.

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Speaker 3: There, oh one hundred percent, And I think that and

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this is I guess what we were supposed to be

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talking about. And look we're fifteen minutes in and barely

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mentioned it. But talking about, you know, bolkanization, because you know,

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oftentimes the sort of the medic version of it is,

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you know, the American Civil War two. You know, this

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is kind of popular in the two A space, talking

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about the boog the boogaloo, right, the joke being, you know,

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American Civil War two electric bogloo, a reference to I

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think kicking it. I'm not entirely sure on that, but

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point is right, it was sort of a joke. But nonetheless,

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you know, you hear this come out quite a bit, uh,

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people like you know, Tim Poole is constantly talking about

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a national civil war. But also you know, in the

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UK you've got Mike Bett's I always get it wrong,

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it's that's not his name, but it's somewhat like it,

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you know, talking about a kind of similar you know,

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Balkanization in England, And in my mind I sort of

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get where people are coming from. Right, it seems as

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if the social fabric is is praying. You have, on

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both the right and the left more and more disdain

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for federal power. You know, you can look at you know,

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Rohn de Santis for any of our criticisms of him

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as sort of an uh, sort of an innovator in

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that sense. Right during the you know, the Biden years.

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You know, Greg Abbott certainly is you know, done similar things.

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But also now obviously you know, the whole birth of

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the sanctuary state, sanctuary cities, and also this kind of

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whole debacle with you know, Ice and you know, these

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anti immigration riots. But so I grant that, but at

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the same time, that question of well, now what and

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also you know what happens between now and then? I

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think is a good one. And you wrote, you know,

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a short piece, you know, connected to a podcast about

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exactly this topic, and so I'd be curious to get

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your thoughts Arthur on you know, Balkanization.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I wrote the piece, you know, pondering the

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idea of American Balkanization, because, as you pointed out Tim

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Poole as an example, you do have some big, big figures,

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big names, not only on on on kind of the

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right shere, but the left spear as well. That treated

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as if okay, we just split up, we'll just split

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it up, make this two to three different nations, and

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that'll be kind of as the meme show that that

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meme that has the you know, fix everything button, as

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if it's some silver bullet solution, and they just stop

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right there and no one ever really ponders up, well,

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what happens next. I mean, it's just as I said piece,

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it's much easier for those who yarn for a breakup

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the US to skip the inconvenient details that get in

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the way to their idea of based world or on

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the other end, of that, you know, opposite version of

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some imagined socialist utopia. And in the pod that I

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went on with the Wandering Panda, we we kind of

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delved into a lot of just the inconvenient oh by

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the ways, like hey, what about this, what about the

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interdependence of h once again economics? And one thing for

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me is how I think the reason that it's become

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more and more salient for people to want to just say, okay,

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throw your hands up, we can just we'll just split

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all this up, because it does sound easy. It does

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sound like we'll just go our own way. We'll just

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do what we want to do. Let you know, live

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our live in our areas, with our traditions, our customs,

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and this this will this will work out, just just

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easy pasy. And that is just not the case. I mean,

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you know, as I pointed out earlier when we were speaking,

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California itself forty million people, with over ten million being

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foreign born. There is not a California identity here. There

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is not there is not something that is kind of

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interconnecting everyone here on kind of a single goal or focus.

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And you could even look back to I mean the

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best example, of course, you know, the American Civil War,

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the demographics were different. Virginians were Virginians, Texans were Texans.

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Georgian by and large, I'm being very generalized here, but

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it was more, there was more more lines there of

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this is who we are and in the twenty first

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century America, especially since you know the nineteen sixty five

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Heart Cellar Act, the Reagan Amnesties. You could go on

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and on about the legislation that has made this our

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multicultural paradise. Sarcasm, but how is that actually supposed to work?

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I mean, you just look at what was that movie?

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Civil War came out what twenty twenty four, and I

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thought it comical as the way they had split it up.

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You know, you had the you had the Western Forces

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Texas and California connect together there with each other, the

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Florida Alliance was kind of the most of the Deep South.

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And then you had the New People's Army, which was

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all kind of Pacific Northwest, Montana and whatnot. But at

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the same time, when you start delving in and thinking about,

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you know, thinking it through the logic of it, I

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mean West Coast to Stans sounds great to your average

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probably liberal or whatnot, Like, yeah, we can just do

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the things we want. But do they They almost seem

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to think that, yeah, things will just keep on going

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as they go. We can still if we have to

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have a little bit of trouble, we can pause Netflix,

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go outside for a bit, you know, do some more protests.

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Somebody else will do the fighting or any of the

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the bad stuff. You know, we won't have to worry

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about that. Oh and by the way, that door Dash

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will be here in thirty minutes from you know, san deep,

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so we got to wait for him. And I just

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don't think it's a logical way to look at how

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things would actually play out. And we also do Oh sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, sorry, just a brief interjection. You ever read

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Nick Land?

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Speaker 4: Not as much as I should. I know him. I've

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read a few of the highlights.

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Speaker 3: So Dark Enlightenment. Uh, there's a great chapter in it

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called the Cracker Factory. I think it's just hilarious. But

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you know, as with a lot of Land, right, it's

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equally you know, funny and insightful. And he he makes

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this point about the kind of Anglo conflict resolution, which

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is basically, you know, you fight it out and then

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the loser just moves somewhere else and starts their own thing.

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Right once you've lost, it's like all right, well, fair enough,

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we'll do we'll do our own. And so that that

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idea of you know, secession is sort of deep deep

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inside of us, you know, And I mean you see it,

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even with the idea of you know, moving from a

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blue state to a red state, right like, all right, fine,

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you know we lost California, so we're moving to Austin.

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You know where we lost Massachusetts, so you know, we're

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moving to South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: And there's a couple of problems with that, which is one,

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it really depends on there being an entire open frontier,

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you know. It depends on there being a new world,

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a place where you actually can go out. And look,

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let's be honest, it started way earlier than that, right

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look at you know, Rhode Island, or you know, a

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couple of other early colonies. But I think that one

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that depends on, as I've said, a frontier and also

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a common cultural understanding that you know, I fine, you know,

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if you guys are over there, we'll leave you to

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your own. But I think that your conservatives radically misunderstand

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the kind of the mind of the progressive because they

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would probably be okay with you know, liberalist stand on

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the coast and you know it will just leave you

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and you can do whatever you do, you know, drag

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time brunch and all their drag queen brunch and you know,

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all that sort of stuff. But the converse is not true, right,

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this is an imperial project for the progressives, like they

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want their religion to be, you know, enacted everywhere. It

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was part of the reason why you know, you have

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these sort of activists, you know, working as you know,

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librarians and small town Alabama right putting out you know,

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the sort of books that you know parents are rightly

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angered by in you know, some tiny little community center

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and in the middle of nowhere that no one will

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ever look at. And that line that's often kind of

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you know, thrown around our circles that you know, the

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man who wants to win will always beat the man

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who wants to be let alone, I think is entirely correct.

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And if you look at different areas in the country

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where there's been talk of secession, you know, half of

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your state. But also you know this idea of Jefferson

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and the Pacific Northwest to kind of break off from

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the liberal areas. The progred establishment does not want that

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to happen, right, They will not allow it to happen,

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because they like ruling over you. They like sort of

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rubbing your face in it. And I think that that

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sort of reward mechanism is very, very strong and very

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00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,799
much encoded. And for the same reason that you know,

472
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,799
you saw this with the desecration of the Lea statue, right,

473
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,160
kind of ritually scarring its face. I think that's a

474
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,039
large motivator for that sort of politics. Is not only

475
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,119
the you know, being on the winning side, you know,

476
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,480
getting all the patronage, getting all the benefits of being

477
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,000
on the right side of history, but also I want

478
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,920
to ruin your thing.

479
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,519
Speaker 4: It's part of it.

480
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,079
Speaker 3: And I think that it's something that conservatives get wrong,

481
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,319
particularly when discussing Balkanization, because sure it might be like

482
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,319
from a game theory perspective and optimal choice, right, everyone

483
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,359
gets to do what they want on one level. But

484
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,519
part of the motivation for progressive politics is I want

485
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,720
to rub your nose in it, right, I want you

486
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:45,839
to have to sit through it. And I feel like

487
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,599
that will you know, disallow that as a solution.

488
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,039
Speaker 4: Exactly, and what you just said kind of gets to

489
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,559
the heart of it, because, especially for California, all the

490
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:58,640
talk of what we could be our own country, and

491
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200
when that comes up, you have these politicians and activists

492
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,799
that pipe up in the public sphere and act all

493
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:07,720
proud about how we could do this and do that,

494
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:13,759
forgetting that. Just a few years ago, believe probably pre COVID,

495
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,599
they got enough signatures on the books to vote to

496
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,880
split the state into three states, and there was a

497
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,000
lot of energy behind it. I signed the petition because

498
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,160
the state is it's too big and you have too

499
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,400
much control, of course, coming from Sacramento and even La

500
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359
and whatnot. And it got right to the end of

501
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,960
it where magically, you know, the Supreme Court of the

502
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,880
States said no, no, unconstitutional, you can't you can't vote

503
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,319
on this at all. Sorry. So for them to come

504
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,119
back now and talk all this big ideas of we

505
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,400
can just go our own way and we can do

506
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,359
our own thing, it just it's laughable to me, because,

507
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,920
as you exactly point out, no, the progressive mind they

508
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,440
want to rule everything. That's why you see those those

509
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,480
counties and organ that want to join Idaho that's not allowed.

510
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,599
I mean, you've even seen it all throughout our history

511
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,720
that you know, kind of a soft Balkanization or at

512
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,599
least a self separating has been going on throughout American history,

513
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,039
and it gets pushed down pretty much every single time,

514
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,200
and they just they just want to rule it all.

515
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,960
That's that's kind of that is the mindset there.

516
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that for you know a lot of

517
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,440
people as well. You know, civil war is sort of

518
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,279
a cope. You hear like my buddy Endeavor talk about it,

519
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:41,359
but honestly, also funny enough, Elon Muss, because you know,

520
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,480
there's this idea that you know, society will collapse and

521
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,839
my particular you know, pet ideology will rise from the ashes.

522
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:51,920
Weirdly enough, you see this a lot in kind of

523
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960
the extreme end of the two A space, right, people

524
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,319
you know, preparing in their minds are actually for some

525
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,839
sort of armed conflict. I'm not saying that, you know,

526
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,440
preparation is bad, obviously, but I think that it functions

527
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,920
as a sort of cope where it's like the idea

528
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,119
that oh, well, things can't get so bad because you know,

529
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,440
people will stand up, they'll realize this is unacceptable and

530
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,240
you know, overthrow it, right, we'll blow up the Death

531
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,279
Star and we can go back to whatever we're going

532
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,279
back to or whatever we're going forward to. And I

533
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,640
think that it in right wing spaces can take up

534
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,880
the same it can take up the same kind of

535
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000
psychological position that the revolution does, you know, when you

536
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:38,720
talk to socialists or tankies. And I think that that

537
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,079
sort of clouds a lot of conversation about it because

538
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,640
it sort of becomes it's not a real discussion anymore.

539
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,359
It sort of becomes wish casting, if you see what

540
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,000
I'm getting at.

541
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it turns into we're going to tell stories, now,

542
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,160
this is how this will go, and they don't seem

543
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480
to kind of once again, and then what like what

544
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,720
happens you declare you're doing this and believing that it's

545
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,920
going to kind of follow the lines of our only

546
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,119
real historical example of the American Civil War of this

547
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
state will be this against this state, instead of looking

548
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,599
at it as no, this isn't going to be even

549
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,680
close to how clean you think it would be. This

550
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,880
is we're looking more at a you know, kind of

551
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,759
a Yugoslavian scenario or East to More and that for me,

552
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
I think, just on a personal level, it's a retired

553
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,359
military I have traveled the world and was involved in

554
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,440
a number of you know, kind of global hotspots here

555
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,880
and there, not even not even the Middle East stuff,

556
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
just the you know stuff like East to more and

557
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,599
within Africa, and how things when it breaks down, it

558
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,039
breaks down. It is it is not clean. Is it's messy.

559
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,240
We're talking you know, urban conflicts, guerrilla war, it's it's

560
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,119
it would be horrific. And that's not to say that

561
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,079
one day we might have to get to that point,

562
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,559
but just the kind of cheering on about how you

563
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,680
can't wait for it, the boogloo, et cetera. I just

564
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,119
find it not not quite troubling, but just a little

565
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,279
inaccurate to to present it as well. If it gets

566
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,559
down to this, as you said, we'll just do this

567
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,559
and uh, you know, hit that easy button fix it all,

568
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,279
And that's not It brings up just a whole other,

569
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,920
a whole other list of problems and things that you

570
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,200
have to solve and things that will be bad for

571
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,079
everyone for who knows how long. I mean, one thing

572
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400
I talked about on the on that other pod was

573
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,039
let's say the Southwest does their breakup. You know, we

574
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,839
have liberal stand over there? But who's to say that, uh,

575
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,039
you know certain foreign actors. I mean, you have you

576
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,759
already have a movement of the Loraza and everyone saying,

577
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,440
you know, ri on stolen land and this belongs to Mexico. Well,

578
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,000
who's to say in this hypothetical of the breakup that

579
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,279
they don't try to grab it for themselves there? If

580
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,480
you don't have a whole new foreign conflict going on

581
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,640
with that, I mean, not even just to point out,

582
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,240
what is China do? Does Russia take back Alaska because

583
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,079
they have that opportunity there because of discompopulation? Who keeps

584
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,880
running the power plants? What happens with the military bases

585
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,440
all across the US? You know which I think one

586
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,319
movie back in the late nineties Second Civil War, it

587
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,960
was played off as a dark comedy, but it started

588
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,319
off because there was a huge influx of refugees and

589
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,000
Idaho didn't like that. So Idaho, of course, fictionally in

590
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,920
the movie, they nuked part of the US over it.

591
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,519
I don't see that happening exactly, but you just you

592
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:39,960
have so many unknown unknowns and veritables there that just

593
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,480
would spin out of control before you even had a

594
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,039
chance to get a hold of anything there.

595
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think the other the other feature and you

596
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,559
know this is true in both in the conversation in

597
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:58,279
the UK and here is who would lead such a

598
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:02,000
conflict because you look at the American Civil War and

599
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,960
it's like, well, really that's just sort of the government

600
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,160
splitting in half. In almost everyone involved a confederacy was

601
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:13,279
you know, a general or a government official, right, And

602
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,559
you know, I certainly have my critiques of you know,

603
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,799
both you know, Greg Gabbott and Ron De Santis for example,

604
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,359
as well as Gavin Newsom and Tim Walls for fairly

605
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,400
obvious reasons. But I mean, okay, sure you've got Walls

606
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,480
kind of rattling his saber about potentially, you know, calling

607
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,000
in the National Guard to fight off Ice, but like

608
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:39,000
it didn't happen. And especially, as you've said, in a

609
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,079
country that really doesn't have a unified culture anymore, not

610
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,799
even regionally, but also within those states, it's like, okay,

611
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:53,680
like California is one quarter foreign boorn. You know, Texas

612
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,000
is becoming more and more that way. Many other states

613
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,640
are as well, and it's like, well, what does that

614
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,839
look like because it's not like you have you know,

615
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,680
a solid culture of people you know who have similar

616
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,680
values or you feel aggrieved in a certain way with

617
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:12,200
a sort of existing leadership apparatus, And in my mind,

618
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,599
I just without that, I don't see it happening at all. Now,

619
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680
that's not to say that there won't be increased political violence,

620
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,799
right kind of. I think that low level political violence,

621
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,359
and let's be honest, less and less low level is

622
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,960
in the cards. You know, if if you look at

623
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,079
the kind of trantephotypes, but also just the you know,

624
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,359
the reaction to you know, ice and others like that

625
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,480
is most certainly you know, going to become more and

626
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,119
more of a feature of American life. But you know,

627
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,079
the idea of some kind of you know, rank and

628
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,839
file in a military conflict in that way, I see

629
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,519
as just completely and totally unrealistic.

630
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:55,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, I just continue to

631
00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,200
see kind of a semi soft balkanization against the laws.

632
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,759
And that'll continue on. I mean we're already there. You

633
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:06,480
have the quote unquote sanctuary cities not only in California

634
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:10,960
but Colorado of Minneapolis, where they practically disregard you know,

635
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,199
the federal laws entirely in the state I'm in now,

636
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,280
I believe the last estimate, we were going to spend

637
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,320
twelve to fourteen billion dollars this year on healthcare for

638
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,039
documented immigrants illegals. That is entirely against the law, Yet

639
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:34,519
it happens the driver's license, and it's almost Someone pointed

640
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:39,360
out how the issue of immigration legal and illegal is

641
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,639
kind of our twenty first century issue of slavery. You know,

642
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,280
there is no there's no compromise to it anymore. There's

643
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,880
been so many compromises historically throughout the years, you know,

644
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,599
the joke of well, they just need to pass the legislation.

645
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,320
You know, there's just not been comprehensive immigration reform. And

646
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,199
as a student of history, especially being kind of you

647
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,599
know the political junk, yeah, been for forever. You look

648
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,840
through just from nineteen twenty four till now, there's pretty

649
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,519
much been some form of immigration legislation done every single year.

650
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,000
There's over one hundred plus bills that have gone through,

651
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,840
you know, just not even just the high the big

652
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,079
ones that we know of, like you know, Reagan Amnesty

653
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,079
of eighty six. There was you know, the Immigration Law

654
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:23,400
of nineteen ninety. There was immigration laws passed in the

655
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,119
two thousands all to continue bringing more and more people

656
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:31,079
in to make this the you know, multicultural utopia that

657
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,679
we see now, and I don't know, I mean, just

658
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,159
as you point out specifically with there's not that true

659
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:41,840
American identity. I've written on this before several times on

660
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,920
how you go in you know, say you go into

661
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
your gas station, you buy your monster, you buy some zen,

662
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,400
and the bluetooth American behind the counter talking to his homeland.

663
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,880
He has no connections to the community whatsoever. He's here

664
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,119
because it's better. That's pretty much it. It's a better situation.

665
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,480
And so this idea of a full on American Balkanization,

666
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,679
different separate states and nations, that that brings up wild

667
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,719
cards all over the place. Because of course we're not

668
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,800
going to have the federal large s of e b T.

669
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:12,920
You're not going to be you're not going to have

670
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,760
people getting their their their their money for Section eight.

671
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,519
All those things would have to stop, they would not

672
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,079
continue rolling along, and you know, that just brings up

673
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,480
even more scenarios of you know, potential violence. People aren't

674
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,960
just going to politely protest in front of their city

675
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960
hall because their money card doesn't work anymore and they

676
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,599
can't get groceries, and so it just it brings you

677
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:39,400
into all these other avenue areas of how bad it

678
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,119
would truly be. Now, many, of course, I believe, would

679
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,440
would just go home because a lot of it is

680
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,159
simply because it's here and it's available. But many others

681
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,800
would would have such a feel of feeling of entitlement

682
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,880
to it that no, you owe this to us, that

683
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,239
it just it would spiral into more of violence.

684
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that really is it the

685
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:08,000
core of you know, many of our questions, which is

686
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,440
quite simply like what is America?

687
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: Right?

688
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,199
Speaker 3: Like what what are we doing here? Because you know,

689
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,239
if it simply is this kind of like global strip

690
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,880
mall where you know, you you go to, you know,

691
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:23,760
apply your goods and services, you know, leave, you know,

692
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,000
with kind of a net contribution you know, to your family,

693
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,159
to you know, your bank account or whatever's that's a

694
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,800
very different thing than actually, you know, being a country.

695
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,639
And again I think one of the problems of this

696
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,599
whole Civil War narrative is that like even the nominal

697
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,159
right in America, like sure, they may disagree with certain

698
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,039
aspects of you know, mass migration, although you know, as

699
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,480
we've seen in Texas, Uh, maybe not to the degree

700
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,559
we'd hope the problem is ultimately, right, like they they

701
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,639
share the same grain grand vision as the progressive left.

702
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,920
You know, you see this every time they who holler

703
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,400
about the democrats of the real racists or any number

704
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,039
of these things. Like, ultimately they have the same vision.

705
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,800
They simply view their role as you know, Buckley said

706
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,960
to you know, stand destride the train of progress and

707
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:17,920
y'll stop. And not only is that wrong, right, that

708
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,159
that's not a correct view of things, but is that

709
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,079
really enough to motivate people to fight, right, to motivate

710
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,800
people to put their life on the line for what?

711
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,360
And look, man, you know you have more experience in

712
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,599
this than I do. And I'm not going to pretend

713
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,039
that you know, every guy who's you know, sitting in

714
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,159
Iraq and five is there for you know, some great

715
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,119
patriotic reason or you know, having this kind of grand

716
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,920
view of politics. But I think we already see, you know,

717
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,880
how cowardly in the conservatives are, right, how unwilling they

718
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,440
are to do things that would result even in a

719
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,480
financial or social hit. Right, just look at how much

720
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,519
they freak out about being called you know, any one

721
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,159
of the you know, the kind of great progressive slurs,

722
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,039
and so I don't see those people as being willing

723
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,039
to put their life on the line, right, because you've

724
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,639
shown me in the little things. I think about this

725
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,360
a lot. And I've told this anecdote before about kind

726
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,639
of growing up during the you know, global War on

727
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Terror in you know, kind of a conservative evangelical setting

728
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920
where you know, Islam was the big, big bad and

729
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,719
you know, people telling kind of horror stories about you know,

730
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,199
Muslims coming in and you know, gunning down people in

731
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
church or a second nine to eleven, and there were

732
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,199
you know, there's a lot of bravado around like, oh,

733
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,360
you know, you may be forced to be martyred for

734
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
your faith, right, they might cut your head off with

735
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:44,679
a you know, rusty machete, and sure, that may happen.

736
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,920
But when someone and many of the same people say that,

737
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,760
you know like, oh, I would go to my death

738
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,840
rather than you know, compromise my morals, and then ten

739
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,440
years later, you know they're they're absolutely terrified of you know,

740
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,920
violating COVID restrictions or doing something you know, relatively minor,

741
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440
right like no one got their head chopped off, or

742
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,280
refusing to wear a mask but it is an indication like, Okay,

743
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,320
you actually don't believe that that much, right, you think

744
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,119
that you are making an idol boast. You don't think

745
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,880
you're ever going to be called on it. And so

746
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,079
when you see that sort of behavior, it's like, okay, well,

747
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:21,000
like where's the Civil War guys going to come from? Right?

748
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:22,960
Like where are the guys who get you know, turned

749
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,599
into you know, chef boyardy, you know, like because I

750
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,199
don't see those guys and I'm sure they exist, right,

751
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,280
you know, I'm not trying to, you know, insult America.

752
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,480
It's the country I love, but like many of the

753
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,760
people talking about the Civil War to me seem to

754
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,320
be very that to be blunt beat, very soft.

755
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 4: Well, it's like what you said earlier about let's say

756
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,400
in hypothetical that this is going to kick off who leads.

757
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,679
I mean, dude, it's not going to be a Newsome

758
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,440
or Tim Waltz. It's going to be leading the progressive charge.

759
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,880
I mean, I made a postal all back about after

760
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,000
Waltz did is Fort Sunder thing like people going, all right,

761
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,559
we're fighting, where's General Waltz? What do you mean he's

762
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,960
in China? I mean you would have people fleeing away

763
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,599
from this stuff, and the same thing on the right,

764
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,079
we're not going to have, you know, for all, for

765
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,400
all the things about Donald Trump and what's going on. Now,

766
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:21,519
my viewpoint is when he does things I like, I'm happy.

767
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,320
When he does things I don't like, I'm not happy.

768
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,039
But I'm under no illusions that Trump is you know,

769
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,360
we won. Everything is winning now, this this, this is,

770
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,519
this is generational. This is going to take a while

771
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,280
to fix to get to where we want to be.

772
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,960
But Trump winning. I was happy that he won, you know,

773
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,199
Trump two point zero, but really it really just kind

774
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,280
of put us at halftime in this game. You know,

775
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,920
you got time to go to the concession stand, you

776
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,079
have time, you have time to prepare for more, and

777
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,159
it doesn't put us into the fourth quarter scenario. But

778
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,360
I think too many thought like, okay, well we went

779
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,840
to the ballot box, we voted, and now we just

780
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,159
sit back and wait for the wins. Yet at the

781
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:02,400
same time, when things start getting done that our side wants,

782
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,199
all it takes is a couple of unfortunate incidents to happen,

783
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,079
and it seems many just just lose lose all of

784
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,679
their well lose all their their their fortitude for it.

785
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,599
You know, it really feels more of a platitude versus convictions,

786
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,079
Like did you really think that things such as you know,

787
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000
mass deportations, it was going to be pretty Did you

788
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,719
think the New York Times was going to be writing

789
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,239
nice little ride ups and diet tribes about you know,

790
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,079
the will of the voters is happening. No, it's it's

791
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,840
going to be ugly. And we're still utilizing the processes

792
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,440
and systems of democracy that we have, that the institutions,

793
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,079
And if you can't stand for that, I really find

794
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,119
it doubtful when they start talking about, well, we'll just

795
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,239
we'll just fight for our own little spot here and

796
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,960
live how we want it, Like, well, you can't even

797
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,960
stand up for what's going on now to try to

798
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,400
fix things, but you think the extreme fix is what

799
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,000
you're going to do, Like, how does that work out?

800
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,400
I've never kind of you can't really understand what then

801
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,400
they can't explain how you think the maximum option will

802
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,519
work versus all of these things are aready being done

803
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,119
now that you're queasy about.

804
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: Now, I will say one of the things that I

805
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,679
will be kind of interested to watch is what we were

806
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,639
talking about earlier, which is the kind of soft secession. Right,

807
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,480
so for instance, you know we've talked about you know,

808
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,840
sanctuary cities where they just decide, you know, their rules

809
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,039
do not apply to us. I mean, it is technically

810
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,960
possible for that situation to be rectified. Island will it.

811
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,239
I'm skeptical we will see that anytime soon. But also

812
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,519
right like you know, during the Biden had men, there

813
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,639
were certain moves made by you know, aspiring Republican governors.

814
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,079
And look again, like I don't love the Republican Party,

815
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:50,960
I'm just using that as a stand in. But one

816
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,639
of the things that I have genuinely thought about before,

817
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,440
which is that that same sort of you know, financial

818
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,280
entropy we were talking about in California, it ect the

819
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,159
nation as a whole. And you know, effectively, if you're

820
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,599
you know, you're on the periphery. You know, you're you're

821
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:11,400
part of America, you're a governor, you're someone powerful. What

822
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,480
does the calculus look like for you if the government

823
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,920
goons aren't getting paid, they're not getting paid regularly, so like, yeah,

824
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440
sure you're still part of America, but you're there's a

825
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,960
possibility to be a de facto sovereign in a way

826
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,079
you can't currently be in the in the system. And

827
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,039
so I almost wonder if we're going to get this

828
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,000
sort of you know, like de facto federalism where you know,

829
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,159
as this thing sort of starts to fray more and

830
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:41,039
more at the edges, you know, you will have people saying, oh,

831
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,960
of course, you know, I'm I'm you know, an American governor,

832
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,440
I'm a you know, a leader of x y Z.

833
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:49,760
But if the enforcement isn't there to make it, to

834
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,440
make it actual, to to really enforce to you know,

835
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,559
bring people into line, it seems that the incentives will

836
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,880
lead one way, and especially as and I've been kind

837
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,719
of disappointed by this. So this may be, you know,

838
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,440
a faulty premise, but as it becomes more as politics

839
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,599
becomes more and more existential, right where you know, if

840
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,000
you are you know, the leader of x y Z state,

841
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,599
you know, if if you comply with the demands of

842
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,519
the federal government, you won't get to be you know,

843
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,440
a rich, powerful, corrupt politician anymore. But if you you know,

844
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,760
set yourself up in such a way that you can

845
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,400
basically tell them to go pound sand or say, of course,

846
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,440
I'm doing whatever you want and just not do it.

847
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,519
I'm interested to see how that develops as sort of

848
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:35,760
the empire comes into decline. A little bit vague there, Arthur,

849
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,920
But do you think there's anything to that?

850
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at the end of the day, for

851
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,800
buying and large, for the most part, politicians are just politicians.

852
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,360
You know, they're playing their roles. One thing that always

853
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,119
strikes me as kind of funny is after, you know,

854
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Kamala Harris, Peace be upon her, after she after she

855
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,760
lost this last time around, there was a group call

856
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,800
at kind of one of the main campaign centers, like

857
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,639
kind of the the brains of the operation there, and

858
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,559
there was a ton of interns and really you know,

859
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,679
young women there and a lot of people that worked

860
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,800
on the campaign, and they were ready to listen to her,

861
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,000
and she said, how you know, too bad. I mean,

862
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,000
we'll get them next time. Better luck next time. And

863
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,119
these people they were crushed because they're going, well, wait

864
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,360
a minute, wait a minute, we were fighting against fascism.

865
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,320
We just lost. Fascism is going to take over America.

866
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,400
The curtain has fallen. And they couldn't understand, at least

867
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,679
in my opinion, that she's a politician. She was propped

868
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,800
up there, and a lot of these things that were

869
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,000
set up on the on the pedestals, within the debates.

870
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,800
This is all political, k Fae, you really took this seriously.

871
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,880
You thought that you were, you know, fighting this almost

872
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,960
you know, Star Wars version of politics. You were fighting

873
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,320
against the evil empire. This is politics. This is what's

874
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,719
going on. And so what I see is that, you know,

875
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,320
you have a lot of these and rising stars that

876
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,639
they don't seem to realize at times that their words

877
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,599
are taken seriously by a lot of people. I mean,

878
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,159
look at Minneapolis right now, Los Angeles for the most part.

879
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,559
You know Karen Bass, you know, in an empty suit there,

880
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,719
but you know, she say two things and people take

881
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,840
it as gospel, when in actuality, they're all just trying

882
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,639
to you know, protect their little fifdoms, their little political fiftoms,

883
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,320
their their schemes and whatnot. And not to go in

884
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,800
a tangent on Minneapolis, but I really think the reason

885
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,719
we're seeing such a response there to just immigration enforcement

886
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:41,199
is due to the democratic money machine there, the grift

887
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,639
going on. Because I'm under no illusions that Somalians were

888
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,000
the masterminds behind a lot of these schemes, you know,

889
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,119
the quality leering centers and whatnot. Now that that money

890
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,840
is getting funneled back to Act Blue and other democratic

891
00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,440
organizations and financial instruments. So that's why there's a push

892
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,440
back there because to the Democratic Party this you know,

893
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,159
it's this whole thing of immigration. It does come down

894
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,800
to their political lives. So the rhetoric I think will

895
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,079
continue to be upped, It'll continue to be over the

896
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,599
top a bit, but you know, at the end of

897
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:17,880
the day, it's it's politics and power. I don't see

898
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,679
them as really wanting to lead the charge to say, okay,

899
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,360
now we're making the new as you said earlier, the

900
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,679
you know, liberals stand here. It's it's a lot of

901
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,840
dangerous rhetoric, but still rhetoric.

902
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,079
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, Well and also it's like why would they They're winning,

903
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,719
you know, like that they're winning the game, so why

904
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,000
would they feel the need to you know, take that

905
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,320
that path of the defeat, right to go start their

906
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,559
own Like they are in charge of the most powerful

907
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:55,000
empire in the world. Why not you know, there's no

908
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,880
incentive for them to do that. And you know, you

909
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,719
hear the kind of federalism invoked by the left any

910
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,920
time a Republican is in office, and that's very cynical

911
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,360
and very tactical, you know. Obviously, I don't believe it

912
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,599
in much the same way that you know, every libtard

913
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,519
in the world was a big fan of the Second Amendment,

914
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,960
uh the moment that that Alex pretty guy got shot,

915
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,360
and then you know, four days later, every single one

916
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960
of those people is you know, celebrating you know, gun

917
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,199
control bills in you know, state like Virginia, And I

918
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,079
think that that's you know, important as well when we

919
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,679
talk about this that so much of this is just

920
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,599
pure you know, rhetoric and posturing. But on that point

921
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,639
of you know, politicians not necessarily realizing you know, how

922
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,559
people you know take their words, I think there's some

923
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,320
of it. I think also there's another part where they

924
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,960
entirely realize how people are going to take their words,

925
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,320
you know, and want that to happen.

926
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: You know.

927
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,199
Speaker 3: I think all that this is very much I think

928
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,199
it's Mahler's point that or maybe it's Woes I can't

929
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:53,639
remember which. You know, that the dosing is effectively like

930
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,599
a violation of the fifth comment fifth Commandment because you

931
00:49:56,639 --> 00:50:00,559
were you know, incentivizing someone to you know, or this guy.

932
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,119
But I think that you know, and this is what

933
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,400
we've seen with a lot of like the anti ice violence,

934
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:07,960
you know, as well as the kind of you know,

935
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960
failed Trump assassins, the you know, the guy who who

936
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,559
shot Charlie Kirk, And just by saying that, I know

937
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,920
I've sent one particular guy in particular into a sputtering,

938
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,800
apopleptic rage, but I will keep doing it. The guy

939
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,559
who shot Charlie Kirk exactly as CNN said it happened.

940
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
But in all seriousness, right, in each one of those instances,

941
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,920
you see someone who has basically sort of od eat

942
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,400
on the internet. You know, they're they're you know, maybe

943
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,199
naturally little unstable. There's drugs, their social isolation, weird you know,

944
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,960
sex stuff, and then also this like insane pressure cooker

945
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,719
and you know, you you tell your liberal at like, oh,

946
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,360
democracy is in danger, and she you know might get

947
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,559
a little you know, worried about it, but you know

948
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,199
she's unlikely to you know, pick up you know, Papa's

949
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,800
hunting rifle and you know, decide to make a statement,

950
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,960
but like like some benzo addicted loser, you know, gooning

951
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,400
to you know fur reporn on the internet, you know,

952
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,519
with this trans girlfriend who's you know, in some kind

953
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,840
of small micro internet community where that's all he does

954
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,559
all day, you know, is listen to people say like, oh,

955
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,199
they're going to genocide us, they're going to put us

956
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:13,199
in train cars, they're going to you know, do all

957
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,239
of that stuff, especially when it's coming from you know,

958
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,039
large politicians, right, you know, Joe Biden, Barack Obama saying

959
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,880
things about you know, get out in the streets, protest, protest, protest.

960
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,079
It's like, well, where do you think that's going to go.

961
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,840
And I think that that is a solution, not a

962
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,840
problem from any of these politicians, because again, you know,

963
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,400
they are in charge, and so in these sort of

964
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,920
extra judicial violences is useful for them in a way

965
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,159
that you know, what happened on January sixth, or you know,

966
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,760
you know ranchest like Bundy whatever, are not And I

967
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,559
think that's a relevant relevant factors well in this analysis, Arthur.

968
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, were in clarification. I'm not saying that every politician,

969
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,000
but when they're talking that, they're just like the innocent

970
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,440
babes in the wilderness, not understanding their words. So there's

971
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,440
definitely you know, stochastic political rhetoric being put out there

972
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,320
because they know that as you want out that one

973
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880
guy in his basement is gonna sit, you know, sit

974
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,280
there and say he's talking to me, he wants me

975
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,320
to do something. I mean then, but they know that

976
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,559
people are listening to that, they're fully understood on that.

977
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,920
That's h and we have plenty of ins and it's

978
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,559
showing how things are going because even though just the

979
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:25,559
ones that make it into the news, there's others that

980
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,719
don't make it into the news. You know, the guy

981
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239
picked up with this that and the other booked in

982
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,239
a jail, but he doesn't make it onto If it

983
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,480
doesn't make it onto the magical TV for you know,

984
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,199
ABC News, well then it doesn't happen, you know, kind

985
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,559
of that that boomer vision of well I didn't see

986
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,679
this on NBC tonight, so it didn't happen. And you're like, well, no,

987
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,199
maybe you didn't see it, but you're kind of forgetting

988
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,079
the cardinal rule that the greatest power of the media

989
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,559
is the power to ignore. There are things going on

990
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,519
that you do not see or they don't want you

991
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,719
to see. At the same time, but I don't you know,

992
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960
I don't have the crystal ball. I don't exactly see

993
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,519
where this goes. I can only follow it way too

994
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,840
closely as many of us do, and kind of see

995
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,000
the calculations on what could happen here or there. But it's, uh,

996
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:12,920
it's it's going to get worse before it gets better.

997
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,559
I mean, that's that's an easy thing to say, for sure.

998
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: So Arthur, we're fast coming up on time. This is

999
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,519
a fun discussion. But where can people find you and

1000
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:23,960
where can they read your work?

1001
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,519
Speaker 4: Ah? Yes, I have a substack account's Arthur and Kelly's thoughts.

1002
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,199
I write on a number of things, mostly politics, but

1003
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,840
also I do some reviews and introspection on movies and

1004
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,880
culture and everything else. I try to keep it varied.

1005
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,519
And then I'm also on x at Arthur Returns with

1006
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,960
two s's where I post way too much on this stuff.

1007
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,559
Speaker 3: But thank you again for invite me on. It's a

1008
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,400
great conversation, a ton of fun. We'll have you back

1009
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,800
on some time. Your your steps Stack is criminally underread.

1010
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,199
I don't spend a ton of time on the platform,

1011
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,039
highly addictive, but I try to catch your articles when

1012
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:09,119
they come out. I think they're worth everyone's time, so

1013
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,239
I'll be sure to link that. As far as my stuff,

1014
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,199
The Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen

1015
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,039
to podcasts. If you want to support me, you will

1016
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:19,320
get the episodes early in ad free for five bucks

1017
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400
a month on Patreon, Substack or gum Road. Look, I

1018
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,360
know it's annoying, but I need to put ads on

1019
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:32,159
these or else I don't get to eat, and so yeah, sorry,

1020
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,559
it's really the best excuse I've got. You can also

1021
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check out our sponsor, Axius Remote Fitness Coaching. The South

1022
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is blanketed in ice. I haven't been to the gym

1023
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,960
in a week. I haven't really gone really much past

1024
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,159
walking distance, and I'm going insane. And part of that

1025
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,320
is because JD's workouts are very good and I missed them.

1026
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,280
He has wormed his way into my life, become a

1027
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,079
part of my daily routine. So I don't know if

1028
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:58,719
that's a great endorsement, but.

1029
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 4: Go there.

1030
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:03,199
Speaker 3: It's probably the best I got again. Arthur is a

1031
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,960
ton of fun. Man, appreciate it. Thank you everyone at home,

1032
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:08,639
keep your head up. I can't last forever.

1033
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: Good night, Hm,