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Final Hour of the Week Not 10 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:36,399 really true because I hang out with pret Winnable for 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,679 the hangover for the first segment of his show, but 12 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:42,479 I am approaching the final hour of the week. News 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT. So you know 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,600 about Act Blue, right, the guys that paint themselves in 15 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:55,679 blue and then they don't talk and they do all 16 00:00:55,759 --> 00:01:00,759 sorts of crazy theatrical performances on stage. Oh I'm kidding. 17 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:08,079 Act Blue is the online fundraising organization. If you ever 18 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:14,280 make a donation to a Democrat candidate or campaign, chances 19 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,680 or even a lot of the uh the nonprofits or 20 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:22,959 political action committees and such that are in the Democrat 21 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:28,879 Party orbit, chances are it has gone through Act Blue. 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,040 The Republicans. I think there is called win red so 23 00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:41,280 and I believe they modeled theirs on Act Blue, and 24 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:47,200 it allows for the pooling of all of the money. So, 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,560 for example, if I'm a local candidate, I'm running for 26 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:54,200 state house or something, and I'm trying to fundraise, Act 27 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:57,879 blue will provide all of those fundraising you know, back 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,239 end support services for me. Right, They'll do the spam 29 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:04,920 emails that you keep getting in the text messages, right, 30 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:10,479 They'll do all of that stuff. And if I get 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,360 suckered into clicking the link, it'll take me to Act 32 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,800 blue where I make my you know, five or ten 33 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,840 dollars donation. Now I'm on their mailing list for all 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,879 of eternity, and that mailing list gets sold around to 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,240 all the different campaigns and stuff. And when I make 36 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,919 the donation, Act blue will take that money and they 37 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,159 will pass along some of it, they keep some And 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,400 this has been a point of contention in the past 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,000 over like how much money Act blue is siphoning off 40 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,840 of your donation keeping for themselves. But then they also 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,520 will redirect that money into other types of campaigns. So 42 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,120 part of the problem with Act blue has been that well, 43 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:00,719 a couple problems. Number one is that they have well 44 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,759 a little bit of an issue, shall we say, screening 45 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,280 out foreign donations, which are illegal. If you are a 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,800 foreign person or company or something, you're not allowed to 47 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:21,479 fund politicians campaigns in America. Okay, And Barack Obama got 48 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,680 into trouble doing this as well when he had his 49 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:31,840 fundraising websites set up too, But that's different, by the way. 50 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:36,599 It's different because then after he won, he cleared himself 51 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,919 of any wrongdoing, so it all worked out. So Acts 52 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:42,879 Blues little issues going on with that stuff. We've covered 53 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:47,439 this in the past. We also covered how people who 54 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:51,919 made a donation to Act Blue or to a campaign 55 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,960 in the past, maybe it was you know, ten bucks, 56 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,639 twenty bucks here or there, but when you pull the 57 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,439 reports and you find they've donated, I think the guy 58 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:07,360 there was a guy up in like the Winston Salem 59 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:13,159 area or maybe Greensboro actually, and he was listed as 60 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,959 donating like twenty six thousand dollars or something to the 61 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:24,519 Kamala Harris campaign, and when asked about whether he had 62 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,600 actually made those donations, he said, no, he hadn't. He 63 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,439 can't afford to do that. He's like maybe I donated 64 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:35,519 like one hundred dollars, but that was it. And there 65 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,560 are numerous examples of this, not just here in North Carolina, 66 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:43,480 all over the country of people that have made large 67 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:47,199 donations that say they never made them. Now they're not. 68 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:49,360 They haven't been robbed, right, they haven't had any of 69 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:54,399 their money taken and given to to these campaigns or anything. 70 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,000 That's not the that's not the allegation. The allegation is 71 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:06,920 that they're being u used as essentially straw purchasers or donors. 72 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:13,439 Straw donors. In other words, if you want to donate 73 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:18,360 twenty dollars, I want to donate a million, but I 74 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:22,560 have limits on how much I can donate, or I'm 75 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,560 not an American citizen so I'm not allowed to donate, 76 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,319 so they will take my donation and distribute it to you. 77 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,439 And this has occurred. They've got evidence of this all 78 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:37,319 over the country, multiple races and stuff. What prompted the 79 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,879 Congress to start looking into Act Blue and their practices, 80 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,480 which also then prompted Act Blue to lock down some 81 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:48,759 security measures which they had been warned about but refused 82 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,040 to lock down, but then eventually lock them down. After 83 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:56,600 Congress started looking into them. Well, we got some more 84 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:02,079 problems over at Act Blue Blue. According to the New 85 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:08,279 York Times headline faces internal chaos. Dare I call it disarray? 86 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Act Blue, the online fundraising organization that powers Democratic candidates, 87 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,839 has plunged into turmoil, with at least seven senior officials 88 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,839 resigning late last month and a remaining lawyer suggesting that 89 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,480 he has faced internal retaliation. The departures from Act Blue, 90 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,040 which helps raise money for Democrats running for office at 91 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,319 all levels of government, come as the group is under 92 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:41,920 investigation by congressional Republicans. They have advanced legislation that some 93 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,199 Democrats warn could be used to debilitate what is the 94 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:51,680 party's leading fundraising operation. The exodus has set off deep 95 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:58,720 concerns about Act Blue's future. Last week, two unions representing 96 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:03,160 the group's workers sent a blistering letter to Act blues 97 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,319 board of directors that listed the seven officials who had left. 98 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,600 The letter described, quote an alarming pattern of departures that 99 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:16,759 was eroding our confidence in the stability of the organization. 100 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,279 What prompted so many longtime Act Blue officials to leave 101 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:27,160 don't know? It is not clear, according to the New 102 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,879 York Times, because none of the former officials agreed to 103 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:37,120 be interviewed on the record. A spokeswoman for Act Blue 104 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,959 named Megan Hughes said, quote, like many organizations, as we 105 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,639 undergo some transition heading into this new election cycle, we 106 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,680 are focused on ensuring we have a strong team in place. See. 107 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,959 Here's the thing, though, they did not have a problem 108 00:07:55,079 --> 00:08:00,399 raising money, right, especially after they got rid of Joe, right, 109 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,920 that was used, right, the fundraising, threat of it drying 110 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,240 up was used in order to push Joe Biden out 111 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,879 in the Democrat coup. But when Harris came in, you 112 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,079 remember all of the stories, right within the first week, 113 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,279 we heard all these stories about how, you know, the 114 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:23,560 fundraising was going gangbusters now that Joe was out. We 115 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,519 made the right decision, you know, by not allowing our 116 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,480 voters to pick our nominee for democracy purposes, We made 117 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,879 the right call. Look at all the money that's coming in. Right, 118 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,039 So it doesn't seem like the fundraising was the problem 119 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,639 for Democrats last cycle, and in fact, after they lost 120 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,639 so badly, what did they say? They said it was, well, 121 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:47,840 they always say this. It was that we couldn't get 122 00:08:47,879 --> 00:08:50,320 our message out right, which is not what Act Blue 123 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,279 was supposed to do their fundraising platform, right, the messaging 124 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,399 side that's up to that's up to the party and 125 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,440 the campaigns and stuff. So I'm not sure why a 126 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,360 new election cycle would prompt so many people to be 127 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,440 leaving Act Blue, as if it's you know, some sort 128 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,679 of a normal cycle of events. You're putting in a 129 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:15,159 strong team. Are you saying the last team wasn't strong, 130 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,799 because again, you guys said fundraising was really strong. That's 131 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,039 what Act blue does, So why you are all these 132 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:30,000 people leaving? Senior staff departures began on February twenty first. 133 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,840 That day, Act Blues Customer Service Director and Partnerships Director, 134 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:41,320 who had both worked at the group for more than 135 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,639 a decade. Both of them left on the same day. 136 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:50,159 That's unusual, right, that would be unusual, these two top 137 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,840 people leaving on the same day. The next week, several 138 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,759 other senior officials left, including the Associate General Counsel's, a 139 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:04,279 litlawyer who was the highest ranking legal officer at Act Blue. 140 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:11,279 Also leaving the Assistant research director, a human resources official, 141 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,080 and the chief revenue officer, as well as an engineer 142 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,320 who had spent sixteen years building and maintaining the electronic 143 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,279 pipes through which the group's donations flow. So like an 144 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:29,080 it guy sounds like like when I heard engineer, I thought, 145 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,879 why are you having an engineer? Is he drawing up 146 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:37,480 plans or no? Say he maintained the network stuff. Why 147 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,759 are they all leaving? Do they know something? 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Maybe so that might 175 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,919 be part of the reason. So as all of the 176 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,279 people started leaving February twenty, first two people quit. These 177 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,799 are like high ranking people. Then a week later a 178 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:34,799 bunch of other people quit as they left. The last 179 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:39,720 remaining lawyer in the Act blew General Counsel's office, a 180 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:44,559 guy by the name of Zane Ahmad wrote in an 181 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:51,279 internal message board called slack right the internal messaging system. 182 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:55,440 You know these slack chats that people talk in. On 183 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,360 February twenty sixth, he wrote in a Slack message that 184 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,159 his acts to email and other internal platforms had been 185 00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:08,840 cut off, and that other messages he had posted in 186 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:15,320 slack had been deleted. What was I think something dies 187 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:19,080 in darkness? Is that the Democrat Party dies in darkness? 188 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:27,360 Never mind, mister Amd is now on leave from Act Blue. 189 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,200 A mod wrote, please be advised, we have anti retaliation 190 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,080 and whistleblower policies for a reason. That's what he wrote. 191 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:40,799 And apparently either that one was that was deleted he 192 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,559 had his access cut off. So it sounds like Zay Ahmad, 193 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:52,240 one of the lawyers in Act Blue was a whistleblower 194 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,720 or defending a whistle blower or something. Right, something's going on. 195 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:02,679 A bunch of people are quitting over something that nobody 196 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,519 wants to talk about. And one lawyer who said, hey, 197 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:11,720 we have anti retaliation policies and whistleblower policies for a reason, 198 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,159 and then they put them on a leave of absence. 199 00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:19,519 They kicked him out and don't have a reason for it, 200 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,240 the union's letter that it's sent to the or they 201 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,039 sent to I guess there's multiple unions. They sent to 202 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,840 the Board of directors at Act Blue called a mod's 203 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:40,080 assertions on the slack platform quote unsettling and disturbing and 204 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,279 part of a growing pattern of volatility and toxicity stemming 205 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:51,480 from current leadership. The unions asked the board to hire 206 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:56,840 an outside council to take investigatory actions to quote better 207 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,279 understand the current state of the organization and devaluate if 208 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:05,679 our CEO is doing her job in an appropriate, competent 209 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:13,840 and responsible manner. The chief Executive, Regina Wallace Jones, did 210 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:22,679 not respond to requests for comment. If Act Blue were 211 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:25,759 to become severely diminished, according to this New York Times article, 212 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,399 democrats running for office at all levels of government could 213 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,279 face setbacks in their efforts to raise money. Candidates for 214 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:36,840 office ranging from school boards and city councils to the 215 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:43,080 presidency rely on this platform for their online fundraising. While 216 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,879 Republicans have spent years trying to catch up, and while 217 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:51,799 there are some alternative platforms, none have the scale or 218 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:59,240 the reach of Act Blue. Democrats for years have credited 219 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:03,279 Act Blue with giving them the edge over Republicans by 220 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,000 creating a universal and trusted platform for donating, which makes 221 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:12,879 sense because it's centralization and the Left is all about 222 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:20,879 centralizing this stuff. Act Blue, is based in Massachusetts, says 223 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,519 it has raised more than sixteen billion dollars for Democrat 224 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,600 candidates and causes since it was founded in two thousand 225 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:35,840 and four. In recent weeks, congressional Republicans have demanded answers 226 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,440 from Act Blue about its security and fraud prevention measures, 227 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:44,960 as well as how the group prevents certain foreign donors 228 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:49,159 from illegally contributing to candidates. This is what I went 229 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,279 over to start the hour. These issues have been going 230 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,679 on for a while. The similar thing happened I mentioned 231 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,640 also with Barack Obama, who built like he built the infrastructure. 232 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,279 Really it really was amazing. I remember talking about he 233 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,319 hired a bunch of these tech experts I forget from 234 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,480 which companies, like founders of various tech companies, and they 235 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,880 came in and built him this you know, internet digital 236 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:26,519 machine to hit people with the fundraising appeals five dollars here, 237 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,519 ten dollars like now, we just take it for granted 238 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:31,880 that were spammed all the time asking for five bucks. 239 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,359 But before Obama came along that that was not normal. 240 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,200 And he used this new machine to tear down the 241 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:45,480 Clinton machine that was the you know, the ruler of 242 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,400 the roost in the Democrat Party. That's what made it 243 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,960 so surprising that he built this whole thing, took over 244 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,240 the party, right, but they did not enact basic controls. 245 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:02,039 It was literally a toggle switch, like you click the checkbox, 246 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,480 you know, to say don't allow foreign donations, and they 247 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:07,880 didn't click it. And even when they were told, hey, 248 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,400 you should click that thing because you're otherwise you could 249 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,920 be taking in all these foreign donations, and they were like, yeah, no, 250 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,240 that's all right. And then when they were investigated for 251 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:19,440 it by the FEC and then he wins and then 252 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,799 the fec' is like no problem because he won. Oh 253 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:26,559 and by the way, he did that at the same 254 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:32,039 time as not taking the federal financing right after promising 255 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:35,680 he would, and John McCain promised he would, and then 256 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:40,039 John McCain did, and then Barack Obama said, no, you 257 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,720 know what, I'm going to break that promise and that 258 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:46,759 allowed him to raise like a billion dollars and McCain 259 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,160 had to run with like two hundred million. Yeah, all right. 260 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,960 If you're listening to this show, you know I try 261 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,759 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 262 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:55,880 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 263 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,359 say get your news from multiple sources. 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News Talk eleven, 284 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:16,720 ten ninety nine, three WBT axios reporting that House Democrat 285 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,359 leadership is privately confronting members that disrupted President Trump's speech 286 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:31,920 to Congress. It's it's not they're not getting yelled at right, 287 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:38,039 this is a safe space. But it has been described 288 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:42,839 as a come to Jesus meeting. I know, I don't know. 289 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,039 Jeff Jackson would not have he would not have been there. 290 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,400 He's not in Congress anymore. Many progressives defied the House 291 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:59,279 Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffrey's request to avoid making themselves the story. Now, 292 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,440 if that's what he told them, he said, don't make 293 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,240 yourselves the story. If that's what he actually told them, yeah, 294 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:11,279 they they absolutely failed. Okay, they failed in that endeavor. 295 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,279 Jeffries wrote a Dear Colleague letter before the speech urging 296 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:23,559 a quote strong, determined and dignified democratic presence in the chamber. 297 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:31,359 Trump's speech was instead rocked by constant heckling. Democrats held 298 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,440 up signs and other props, and then you know al 299 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,759 Green Democrat from Texas got ejected in meetings and discussions 300 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:44,880 with leadership this week. Democrats who heckled, walked out in protest, 301 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:53,240 or were otherwise disruptive were given a talking to. Leadership 302 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:57,000 is very unhappy with those who went beyond traditional protest 303 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:04,480 tactics like outfit coordination and refusal to clap. So those 304 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,279 were the traditional protest tactics. We don't, I mean that's 305 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:09,839 always been the case, Like they're not going to clap 306 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:11,759 for stuff they don't like, right obviously, And then they 307 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:13,960 did that, remember when they all wore white and some 308 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:17,359 of them wore white last time this pastime, some of 309 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,799 the more pink and then some of the more black. 310 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:23,839 So they like they like segregated themselves, which is very 311 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:30,240 on brand for Democrats. Roughly a dozen Democrat disruptors were 312 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:34,119 called into the Come to Jesus meeting on Thursday morning, 313 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:39,000 according to a senior Democrat who talked to Axios on 314 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,640 condition of anonymity. A source familiar with the matter, don't 315 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480 know what that means, stressed that these lawmakers are not 316 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:54,200 getting yelled at. Quote, it's a consultative process. We understand 317 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,720 the pressure they are under. What pressure, Oh, from the 318 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,000 act activist crowd, from the base, from the people from 319 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:09,400 the theater kid base that wants to see some demonstrative protests, right, 320 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,039 rather than just don't go, they want you to make 321 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:17,960 a show out of it. So this person said, they're 322 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,279 not being talked to like their children. We are helping 323 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,640 them understand. Well, you're kind of talking to them like 324 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,920 children right now in this comment, Like we're helping them 325 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:34,000 understand why their strategy is a bad idea. See, it's 326 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,079 not it's not you. It's just what you're doing. See, 327 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,000 your strategy is a bad idea. Yes, as evidence by 328 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:49,960 the mountains of coverage that you received that was not good. 329 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,799 The party is in a rut, according to Axios, stumbling 330 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,519 on finding the most effective counter attack to Trump's full 331 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,920 boar assault on the federal bureaucracy. That struggle played out 332 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,720 on primetime television on Tuesday night. This sets up a 333 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:14,079 potential clash between party traditionalists and it's more combative anti 334 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,519 Trump wing. Did you know this is this is like, uh, 335 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:23,279 this is like Hamas is in the military wing of 336 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,319 Hamas or whatever, Like oh no, no, no, no, that's not 337 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,839 the same organization or anything. Not the same people. It's 338 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,079 totally separate. Right, The anti Trump wing is different than 339 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,799 the quote traditionalist wing or something. I'm not buying that 340 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,079 they're all anti Trump, every single one of them in 341 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,279 the Democrat Party. Come on, that's just silly. But you 342 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,519 know me, I am all about solutions, and so I 343 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:54,440 have an idea. I have an idea because the Democrats are, 344 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,920 as it says, in a rut, right stumbling to find 345 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,799 the most effective counter attack. And part of this is 346 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:01,799 due the fact that they really don't have a leader, 347 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,000 not you Chuck Schumer right now now, who is going 348 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,799 to come forward? I have an idea, and this person 349 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,039 is in need of some sort of an on ramp 350 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,880 again because they have fallen out of favor. And so 351 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,880 it's it to me, this looks like a win win, 352 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,680 and I'm gonna go over this with my next guest. 353 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,640 Alrighty News Talk eleven ten ninety nine to three WBT 354 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 seven oh four five seven zero eleven ten. Email is 355 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,960 Pete at the Pete calendershow dot com. I would like 356 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,000 to welcome to the show the special guest for pregaming 357 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,000 with Brett winter Bowl. 358 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: Hello, Brett, Hello, it's good to be with you. Pete. 359 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: I just realized that, not just realized. Actually, it's probably 360 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,079 last week when I first floated this idea to you, 361 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,400 that that I have been on your show because you 362 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,119 graciously invited me to work longer and stick around for 363 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000 the hangover segment on Fridays. Yes, sir, and I will 364 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,960 still do that today. I do it every Friday with 365 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,319 you on your show. But I was never exposing my 366 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,799 audience to you. And so I said, how can I 367 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,440 get Brett on? I mean, not too much, because I 368 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240 didn't want you to dominate my show, because you're colonizing 369 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,799 everyone's shows. This as a stated mission. 370 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,559 Speaker 3: You've figured you figured, yes, you've you've picked up what 371 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:32,559 I've dropped. 372 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,839 Speaker 1: Right, So I figured, well, if I do the hangover, yes, 373 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,319 I feel like we should pregame. Yeah, and so we're 374 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,400 calling this pregaming with Brett for now. 375 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: I don't know. I like that. 376 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: It's a good slogan. 377 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: I like it. Okay, so before before I brought you in, yes, sir, 378 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,359 and by the way, Brett is on three to was 379 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,599 it like midnight or something you're doing now? Okay? Three seven, 380 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,720 and you should listen. You can get the BBT app 381 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,680 listen live or download the podcast on any of your 382 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:09,079 podcasting platforms. But so Democrats are in a bit of 383 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,319 a rut, as the Axios report talked about. And they 384 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,799 had this meeting where they were like, hey, all you 385 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,359 people that disrupted the president's speech. Bad strategy. They didn't 386 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,160 want to. They were not yelling at them, but it 387 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680 was a come to Jesus meeting or something. So it 388 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,240 seems like they need a leader and not Chuck Schumer, 389 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,240 right right. I think I heard you talk about that 390 00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,880 a couple of days ago, like, Chuck is not it? No, 391 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:34,480 So I have an idea. Okay, it's my solution. I'm 392 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,799 going to run this past you like this. Does he 393 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,160 need some work? Okay, he's fallen on some tough times. 394 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,880 Oh gosh, Hunter Biden. Wow, because he says he is 395 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,319 now millions of dollars in debt. He and for some 396 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,359 reason that he cannot figure out, nobody is buying his 397 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:00,599 art anymore. Yeah. I don't look he should lead the 398 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:01,440 Democrat Party. 399 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:07,279 Speaker 3: I mean trying to be diplomatic and and decorum here. 400 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: Okay. 401 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 3: Uh, you know he did put all of himself into 402 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,680 that art and some Yeah, so you would think no. 403 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: No, these are the paintings, not the digital art. 404 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,279 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the paintings. 405 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: He he utilized every bit of Hunter Okay, in those. 406 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,559 Speaker 1: I heard it, I heard it compared to hotel lobby art. 407 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,279 Speaker 2: That's that's what It's not bad. I mean I could 408 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,519 see that. But he now he's in California. 409 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: He lives in California now, which means he can get 410 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,640 elected in any. 411 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: Place of his choice. 412 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,519 Speaker 1: He's pardoned of course, right, so. 413 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: He's got nothing, nothing but but blue skies, right, and 414 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,839 so I would say he would be phenomenal to replace 415 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:53,559 Nancy Pelosi. 416 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: Mm, Nancy Pelosi. I'm look, what better way to make it. 417 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,119 Speaker 1: Up to Joe Biden for real? Really? Right? And I 418 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440 mean she blew him up, right, put Hunter in, helped 419 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,920 push him out San Francisco. 420 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,559 Speaker 2: You can't get in trouble in San Francisco too much. 421 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think. So it's a good district 422 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:17,440 for him to represent, sure, Yeah, shares a lot with 423 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,960 a lot of the behaviors of the constituents there. 424 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,319 Speaker 2: Has experienced a lot of them, right, without a doubt. 425 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. So also also I think it might increase the 426 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,839 value of the paintings. Yes, right, he could, Yes, he 427 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,880 wins Congress, and then now all of a sudden, his 428 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,519 paintings are going to be worth a lot more money 429 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,400 for some reason that we can't we don't know. We 430 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,519 don't know that. We don't know why somebody would just 431 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680 now want to spend tens of thousands of dollars on 432 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:41,519 hotel art. 433 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,039 Speaker 2: I feel like that's an insult to the hotel art. 434 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:45,519 Speaker 1: I do too. 435 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: I feel like the hotel art was done in a nice. 436 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,039 Speaker 1: It's catching strays. That's my bed. I'm sorry catching catching 437 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:58,319 strays there, I wasn't. Yeah, no, it's no offense intended 438 00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:03,079 to the hotel artistry industry, so he said, though in 439 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,200 some court filings, get this in the this timeline's very 440 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,119 suspicious to me. But in the two to three years 441 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,960 prior to December twenty twenty three, yes, sir, so two 442 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:19,000 to three years before the end of twenty three. Okay, 443 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,200 all right, so you got the time frame down hazy, 444 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,519 but yes, okay, he says. I sold twenty seven pieces 445 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,680 of what art of art Brett yep at an average 446 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:35,200 price of fifty four thousand dollars plus per per that's 447 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:40,519 the average fifty four K per piece, twenty seven pieces. 448 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: Twenty seven pieces. 449 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but since then, since December of twenty three, he 450 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,359 has only been able to sell one piece of art. 451 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:55,480 Who would for thirty six thousand dollars? Okay, that's not bad. 452 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: No, I was thirty six k. I mean that's gonna 453 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,240 get you, right. 454 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,519 Speaker 1: They also point out in this filing, which by the way, 455 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,559 he's filing this in a lawsuit that he filed and 456 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,279 now he wants dropped. He wants to drop that's raw 457 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,200 because the guy was, yes, was besmirching him right well 458 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,519 published well publishing the laptop contents. So he sued the 459 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,319 guy and now he wants to stop suing in because 460 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,400 he doesn't have any money anymore. So wow, no, Hunter 461 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,400 doesn't have any money. 462 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,759 Speaker 3: I'm saying so like if we did something wrong, and 463 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,680 if I just say I don't have any money? 464 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,079 Speaker 1: Right. 465 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: I remember the episode of Seinfeld where you're gonna have 466 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,039 to be his butler? 467 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: Remember you have to be their butler. 468 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: That's like every Brady Bunch contest too. Yes, it was, 469 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,920 it was, so, he says. Also his memoir, yeah, from 470 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,119 twenty twenty one called Beautiful Things. 471 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: Does he remember what the memoir was? 472 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think the passages that got highlighted in the 473 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640 uh in the trial, Yeah, right, when they used it 474 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,680 against him to prosecute him for the buying a gun 475 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,720 while you're hooked on drugs. He remembers that part I think, 476 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680 I mean because it was in the legal briefs. But 477 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:16,599 beautiful things that the sales for this memoir also have declined, wow, 478 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,359 really going from thirty two hundred copies sold over a 479 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,960 six month period that would be mid twenty twenty three, 480 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,559 and then it dropped to just eleven hundred copies in 481 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,680 the next six months. And so he doesn't really understand 482 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:40,480 why the interest in his work has evaporated. It's it's 483 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,039 a difference. 484 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: But it's a different world now, right, It's a different 485 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,519 world now. 486 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,759 Speaker 1: So like after nine to eleven everything changed. 487 00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:53,759 Speaker 3: Technically, yes, okay, I mean specifically yes, correct about that. Look, 488 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,559 painting is so passe at this stage of the game. 489 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,519 There's all only one medium that he two mediums that 490 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,319 he could that he could probably profit very well. OnlyFans 491 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:13,640 absolutely Number one, number two MSNBC. 492 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah. 493 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 3: They could give him a show, yeah, and he could 494 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,200 do interviews and he could like kind of clean up 495 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,880 a little bit, make some money. They got money. I mean, 496 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,119 why not put him I mean, why not put him 497 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,519 on there? Would you not just watch it for the 498 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:28,640 curiosity factor? 499 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: I think he would do very well initially. Yes, I 500 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,000 mean he's a lawyer, right, he's a gas energy expert, 501 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,759 very much speaks Romanian, right. I think lots of contacts 502 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:42,279 in Iran. 503 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,599 Speaker 3: He could go remote in a lot of places, right, Iran, right, China, China, Ukraine. 504 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when's the last time he went over there? 505 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's maybe why Zelenski's so cranky. That's 506 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,599 true too, that's the last time. Hasn't had any parties 507 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,359 at that hotel? Yea Thompson man. 508 00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,519 Speaker 2: No. 509 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: So I I think if the Democrats play their cards 510 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,799 right here, I think they could actually get Hunter into 511 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,840 an office. Yes, it solves Hunter's problems of you know, 512 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,480 now not being able to you know, trade on the 513 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,679 family name. Now he will be the family name, so 514 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,599 he'll be able to profit off of that, and then 515 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,400 his family can also continue profiting. 516 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:18,679 Speaker 2: Yep. 517 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,639 Speaker 1: And the Democrats get a leader. 518 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,679 Speaker 3: He could get they could get a leader, and and look, 519 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,320 he could become an honorary. 520 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: Kennedy Savage Savage all right, that's Brett Wernable. We're calling 521 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,679 it pregaming with Brett Winnerable, Pregaming with Winterble the pre game. Okay, 522 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,119 Winnable's coming up next stick around. 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