Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen. What What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 1: I welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Today's episode is
Speaker 1: very very exciting for me. Actually, I have mentioned numerous
Speaker 1: times on the show that I was very much interested
Speaker 1: in Native American and tribal stuff. And I've even had
Speaker 1: somebody in the past come on Thrash. He came on
Speaker 1: and did I think in two or three parts series.
Speaker 1: But I've been very interested in the Mickbax because of that,
Speaker 1: and I had mentioned on the show a few times.
Speaker 2: That I really wanted to cover that topic. I just
Speaker 2: wasn't really willing to spend the time to do it myself,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know anybody to really do it.
Speaker 1: So Darlene happy to be listening and happened to hit.
Speaker 2: Me up on Twitter and she was like, Oh, I
Speaker 2: could definitely come on and cover the Midmax and this
Speaker 2: and that, you know, from like experience in her own life.
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, really, So I gave us some time.
Speaker 2: She made us shit ton of slides and obviously has
Speaker 2: a ton of notes as well, and she came She's
Speaker 2: on the show today to present the slide Show for
Speaker 2: the Mickmax, so very interesting stuff in there. I was
Speaker 2: looking through some of the slides. I think for the
Speaker 2: people into the occult you'll find this is very interesting.
Speaker 2: One thing that I've said on the show before, and
Speaker 2: I think this might help, you know, solidify my idea
Speaker 2: and theory that you know, some secret societies or some
Speaker 2: brands of occultism might have borrowed Native American symbolism as
Speaker 2: well and used it. So it's just interesting to see
Speaker 2: it come back around and like how it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, a normal symbol for some people. Other people
Speaker 2: have no idea what the hell it is, and it's
Speaker 2: just weird. It's like how did that? How did that
Speaker 2: disconnect happen? But it's wild, So, uh, you're very excited
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But before I.
Speaker 2: Introduced Darlene, let me used to introduce Judith the Loon.
Speaker 1: What is going on? Judith?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, Darlene. I can't wait to
Speaker 4: see the what you've accumulated about this Native American tribe
Speaker 4: and everybody else. You could catch me on YouTube and
Speaker 4: on X as the Loon, and I'm also on Spreaker
Speaker 4: as a normal podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you nice, nice great stuff and Darlene, what is
Speaker 2: going on? How are you I guess letting you? I
Speaker 2: guess let people know whatever you want to introduce yourself with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Nick first, and hi Judith. So my name
Speaker 5: is Darlene. And although my name is Santa Paz, that's
Speaker 5: a MCMC name. I myself am not a MCMC. My
Speaker 5: ex husband was Mick Mack. So I was married and
Speaker 5: lived on the reservation for more than half my life,
Speaker 5: and so I was really immersed in the culture. I
Speaker 5: lived on the reservation, like I said, and my ex
Speaker 5: husband was a practitioner of Native spirituality, and so was
Speaker 5: his family, his father, his uncles, so they were all
Speaker 5: pipe keepers, they were lodge keepers and sun dancers, and
Speaker 5: so it was just very present in my life.
Speaker 6: These legends were present.
Speaker 5: Everything I'm going to talk about I saw with my
Speaker 5: own eyeball.
Speaker 6: You know, this was my experience.
Speaker 5: And also when my husband was chief for a while,
Speaker 5: we got to travel quite a bit and meet all
Speaker 5: kinds of other tribes and all kinds of people and
Speaker 5: see everything and museums and and so I have a
Speaker 5: very unique kind.
Speaker 6: Of experience through my lived experience.
Speaker 5: And one other thing that we had, I wanted to
Speaker 5: mention was on the Residenvation. About thirty years ago, we
Speaker 5: had a tourist destination called the Micmac Experience, and you
Speaker 5: could come and there was a museum, and there was
Speaker 5: a little restaurant and a gift shop and canoe rentals,
Speaker 5: and there.
Speaker 6: Was also an actual.
Speaker 5: Medicine man that would take you on a guided tour
Speaker 5: and talk about many of the things I want to
Speaker 5: talk about tonight. So this is kind of the basis
Speaker 5: of my knowledge and experience of the Makemac. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I want us to start with.
Speaker 1: I mean, you lived it for a long time. I
Speaker 1: lived around it.
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I've seen the ceremonies, Like even to
Speaker 5: this day, I still smudge every day.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So we can start. You can bring up the slides
Speaker 5: if you want.
Speaker 1: Yes, slides, look at this correct.
Speaker 5: Let's have questions about me.
Speaker 1: All the Micmac.
Speaker 5: Indeed, so we're gonna look at who are the Micmac,
Speaker 5: what are their beliefs, their folklore, their customs, mythologies and practices,
Speaker 5: and why they've been so important throughout history. We will
Speaker 5: find that from the Vikings the French, to the Knights, Templar,
Speaker 5: the Jesuits and even the Mormons. The Macmac nation has
Speaker 5: been woven into the many stories, histories, and the fabric
Speaker 5: of North America. So their origins go far as far
Speaker 5: back as the mound builders before them. They adapt well
Speaker 5: to newcomers and are well experienced and practiced in diplomacy.
Speaker 5: Their legacy endures, yet few know them. If we can
Speaker 5: try to imagine what history looked like from the shores
Speaker 5: of Migamagi, which is the mcmac land, who would we
Speaker 5: witness landing on the shores over the centuries. What does
Speaker 5: history look like through the lens of the Micmac, And
Speaker 5: who and where are the mcmac today. So we're gonna
Speaker 5: look at Oh, so we'll look at the slide. So
Speaker 5: the people they're known as the people of the Dawn,
Speaker 5: the keepers of the Eastern Door, and it's also been
Speaker 5: called the Eastern Gate. Now there's not a strict determination
Speaker 5: of what that means, but I have a theory of
Speaker 5: what I think it means. Because of where the mouth
Speaker 5: of the Saint Lawrence River is, which is mcmac territory,
Speaker 5: which enters right into the center of North America. It
Speaker 5: was their sort of duty to guard that portal or entry.
Speaker 5: That's my theory. And they were also called the children
Speaker 5: of the Light. They were the first men to greet
Speaker 5: grandfather's son niscom every day. They occupy the eastern provinces
Speaker 5: of Canada as well as Maine, and the territory later
Speaker 5: became known as Acadia with the arrival of the French
Speaker 5: in sixteen oh four. And at the bottom, I had
Speaker 5: an interesting note that I kept seeing. The British were
Speaker 5: known to call them the tarantines, and I'm not sure
Speaker 5: what that means or why they called him that, but
Speaker 5: I thought it was quite common. And the picture I
Speaker 5: think is really interesting. You can see he has two
Speaker 5: red crosses, so this is called Lama Cardien. And this
Speaker 5: is a depiction of actually a Mick MacMahon, and you
Speaker 5: can see us. I don't know if it's tattoos or
Speaker 5: just drawings of two red crosses, a son and two
Speaker 5: serpents on his chest.
Speaker 6: So I thought that looked pretty cool.
Speaker 5: And these are done by a guy named Jacques Grasse
Speaker 5: de Saint Sava in the late seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 6: He was a graphic designer known for producing.
Speaker 5: These hand colored engravings of North American Indians. So that's
Speaker 5: the mcmac man or Acadian man. So you can go
Speaker 5: to the next line there. So, the mcmac are the
Speaker 5: easternmost native tribe in Canada. Their traditional territory consists of
Speaker 5: the maritime provinces. There's five tribes that make up the
Speaker 5: Wabi Naki confederacy, which predates the European arrival. They're known
Speaker 5: as the people. Yeah, I read that already. So traditionally
Speaker 5: they were semi nomadic hunter gatherers, renowned for their basket
Speaker 5: making skills, their birch park canoes, as well as the
Speaker 5: art of porcupine quill crabs.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Their knowledge of medicines and plants was highly regarded and
Speaker 5: eagerly studied by early settlers, and.
Speaker 6: They were known to keep a lot of their medicine.
Speaker 5: On birch bark scrolls, which the modern medicine society still uses.
Speaker 5: So this depiction here shows the traditional dress of the Micmac.
Speaker 5: The woman is seated and wearing the traditional peaked hat,
Speaker 5: peaked cap, and traditional ribbon dress, and the gentleman is
Speaker 5: wearing what's called the captain's coat or the chief's coat.
Speaker 5: It's called the captain's coat because it seems that it
Speaker 5: was originally gifted by a French captain and adapted by
Speaker 5: all the chiefs and decorated with their traditional motifs. Interesting,
Speaker 5: you can go to the next slide. So there's a
Speaker 5: close up of the peak cap, which is it's Algonquin
Speaker 5: tribes are known to wear these cats, but the micmac
Speaker 5: one is unique and it's it's quite like.
Speaker 6: The freezing cap we see on the right.
Speaker 5: And there's the Frisian cap also at the top, and
Speaker 5: I included the bottom right, the little red cap is
Speaker 5: the French Revolution cap, so that would have been you
Speaker 5: can see kind of a lineage through Europe and France
Speaker 5: of this cap moving to the west somehow.
Speaker 6: I'll show you in the next You.
Speaker 1: Said the same thing with that Jackson, the same thing
Speaker 1: with that jack.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Interesting, I'll show the next slide, will show and
Speaker 5: there's smurfy by the way, because he wears a Frisian
Speaker 5: cap too. He's smurfing. Okay, yeah, you can go to
Speaker 5: the next So this is a closed up of a
Speaker 5: chief coat that was gifted to Captain Henry o'hallahan and
Speaker 5: was made a mcmac Honorary Chief in eighteen forty one.
Speaker 5: Traditional for Galia would have included a sash at the
Speaker 5: waist and leggings, and male headdress would consist of a
Speaker 5: headband decorated with feathers, so not like the Western Plains
Speaker 5: Indian big headdress that we think of sometimes.
Speaker 6: These are mostly.
Speaker 5: More narrow and straight up with a headband. And it
Speaker 5: said that pre European styles were such to be similar
Speaker 5: but crafted with skins. The Micmac were eager to trade
Speaker 5: furs for cloths and quickly gain mastery in decorating and
Speaker 5: embellishing them. So they were wild about cloth and they
Speaker 5: loved the ease at with which they could decorate them,
Speaker 5: and so they became very decorated.
Speaker 1: That is dope, right, that is pretty cool.
Speaker 5: So the next the bottom one there is an actual
Speaker 5: captain's coat, so you can see kind of the the
Speaker 5: original version and the Micmac version eventually. And then the
Speaker 5: top one so.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the little brown cap up there that was
Speaker 5: a French sailor's cap, which also is reminiscent of that
Speaker 5: French Revolution cap and the Friesian cap. Again we can
Speaker 5: go to the next line. So there I have a
Speaker 5: map just in case people aren't familiar with the Maritimes.
Speaker 5: So the green part is New Brunswick, that blue part
Speaker 5: is Nova Scotia, the red part is Prince Edward Island.
Speaker 5: And so there's the flag.
Speaker 6: Oh hey, Old World.
Speaker 5: So the flag at the bottom we just saw on
Speaker 5: Old World. Micmac's logo is the Micmac Grand Council Tribe.
Speaker 6: Now it is an exact mirror.
Speaker 5: All of the Templar flag. So the Templar flag, the
Speaker 5: star and the moon are inversed.
Speaker 1: That's a little that's interesting. What's that?
Speaker 6: So we can go to the next slide.
Speaker 5: Now for the next parts. I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 5: I am not fluent in Mick Mac. A lot of
Speaker 5: these words I've learned and heard throughout my life, but
Speaker 5: I'm not fluent, and my pronunciation I apologize in advance.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do my best. So these these are sacred symbols,
Speaker 5: often seen the most significant ones in Mick Mac culture.
Speaker 5: So we have the eight point at star, which we
Speaker 5: see everywhere still today like Grandma's will make blankets with
Speaker 5: the eight pointed star. A lot of decorations have the
Speaker 5: eight pointed star. And the next we have the pipe,
Speaker 5: which is it's a sacred object for sure. Next to
Speaker 5: that we have the medicine wheel with the same four
Speaker 5: sacred colors. And this is a teaching tool. This has
Speaker 5: many many lessons to teachers used for the four seasons.
Speaker 5: At the bottom, we have the four medicines. There's lots
Speaker 5: of lessons there. And so the four medicines at the
Speaker 5: bottom are sage, cedar, sweet grass, and tobacco. And so
Speaker 5: these are used for offerings like for smudging, and they're
Speaker 5: used for making prayer flags and prayer ties as well
Speaker 5: for ceremonies. Anytime you want to ask one of the
Speaker 5: nature for.
Speaker 6: Something, you give one of these as an offering.
Speaker 4: Do you know the breakdown for the colors those four
Speaker 4: sacred colors please as well?
Speaker 3: Like the different means tribe for the.
Speaker 5: Wheel or there's like a million different uh explanations, Like
Speaker 5: there's directions. Each one represents a direction, each one represents medicine,
Speaker 5: each one represents people like races, elements, and and they'll
Speaker 5: use these objects to teach any of these lessons. Does
Speaker 5: that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also basically also like the chemical colors too, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, the chemical chemical colors. Yeah, like the
Speaker 2: Albato rubato and cintronet whatever, the citrine type of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's the same colors too.
Speaker 5: Huh. And didn't you say that the Golden Dawn. Was
Speaker 5: it the colors or just the shape?
Speaker 2: Yeah, something with the pentacle. I think it's very close
Speaker 2: to those colors.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so yeah, these are these colors are are
Speaker 5: seen in many motifs and like designs, in dresses, ribbon dresses,
Speaker 5: ceremonial items, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Just real quick, instead of the white, there would be
Speaker 2: a green and that would be the golden door pencable.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, so oh so this is.
Speaker 6: In the beginning.
Speaker 5: This is the creation story, the Micmac creation story. So
Speaker 5: there are seven levels or worlds of creation in the
Speaker 5: mcmac world, and it begins with the Creator.
Speaker 6: His name is Gizuk and he's.
Speaker 5: The giver of life. Next comes the sun Nis come
Speaker 5: he's called Grandfather, and he's the giver of shadow, which
Speaker 5: is really important, okay in Micmac culture, because your shadow
Speaker 5: accompanies you your whole life, and your shadow is your
Speaker 5: connection to the ancestors. So in a bit I'm gonna
Speaker 5: talk about the cosmology of the Micmac world, but in
Speaker 5: the shadow is your connection to all of your ancestors.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like a Peter.
Speaker 5: Pan portal in a way, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 5: It's very important. Next week get to Earth, which is Utsigamu,
Speaker 5: the place where we stand, and the drums signifies her heartbeat.
Speaker 5: Next came glues Cap. Now I don't know if everybody's
Speaker 5: familiar with him or not, but he's like the hero
Speaker 5: character of the micmac. He's a teacher, he's a leader,
Speaker 5: he's a magician, and I'm gonna talk about him a
Speaker 5: whole lot more in a bit. And he represents the
Speaker 5: East direction. Then came grandmother Nukumi. She represents wisdom. She
Speaker 5: was born of the rocks and she represents self direction.
Speaker 5: Next came nephew Nedawansen. He is strength. He's born of
Speaker 5: the sea foam and he represents West. And last came Mother.
Speaker 5: She is love. She's born of a leaf and she
Speaker 5: represents North. And so that item on the right there,
Speaker 5: that's a coin that was minted by the Royal Canadian
Speaker 5: mint that depicts the mcmac creation story, and it has
Speaker 5: the eight pointed star with seven stars around it in
Speaker 5: the center there with the moose, and there on the
Speaker 5: left we can see gluse Cap with his feather and
Speaker 5: the lightning. We can see the mother at the top
Speaker 5: with her leaf. We can see grandmother at the bottom
Speaker 5: and Nedawansen in the west.
Speaker 1: So that's great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can go to the next the ape when
Speaker 7: it's star the stars surrounding it was is each of
Speaker 7: those stars meant for each of the tribes, the different
Speaker 7: tribes in that area.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually, I think the next fly talks about the
Speaker 5: number seven. So and because the number seven is really
Speaker 5: really important. Yeah, it's the number for Macmac. So it's
Speaker 5: a sacred and significant number. You get the sacred the
Speaker 5: seven sacred directions. You have east, southwest, north, above, below,
Speaker 5: and center. You have the seven worlds of creation. You
Speaker 5: have the seven sacred teachings, which are love, respect, honesty, courage, wisdom, truth,
Speaker 5: and humility. The seven districts, the seven finest prophecy, which
Speaker 5: is an end Times prophecy.
Speaker 6: We have the seven sacred parts of the.
Speaker 5: Head, which are the two ears, the two eyes, the
Speaker 5: two nostrils, and the mouth. The seven sisters, which are
Speaker 5: the seven stars of pladies. There's lots of legends concerning those,
Speaker 5: and also the seven sparks of the Sacred fire, which
Speaker 5: again I'll get into that with the gluose cap legend.
Speaker 6: So seven is.
Speaker 5: All over the place. Oh, here we go. Here's the
Speaker 5: creatures and beasts of the Micmac world. So the world
Speaker 5: of the Micmac was inhabited by a variety of goblins, cannibals, magicians, witches, elves, fairies, dwarfs,
Speaker 5: and even mermaids.
Speaker 4: They have their own history that's similar to fairies, but most.
Speaker 5: Oh, they have all of it. Yeah, they like nature's
Speaker 5: spirits are more elementals, maybe because there's like the mermaids,
Speaker 5: for instance, those are water spirits, so they have the
Speaker 5: ability to manipulate the element if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that one of the more popular ones and
Speaker 5: scary is the Chinu. He's a giant ice cannibal with
Speaker 5: an icy heart. Well, his his heart turns to ice
Speaker 5: when he becomes chinu in the shape of a human man.
Speaker 5: And then to kill this Chinu you have to you
Speaker 5: have to make him throw up this icy heart and
Speaker 5: then throw it in a fire. They're similar to the
Speaker 5: wendigos of the Western tribes and traditions. Then we have
Speaker 5: boot a lot of moods. Those are stone dwarfs and
Speaker 5: they're Simil or two like the little gnome at the
Speaker 5: top there.
Speaker 6: They're they're kind of playful characters. They're the little people.
Speaker 5: And they live in in the forests and they have
Speaker 5: little tiny canoes and they have stories of children coming
Speaker 5: upon them and the bu Lata mood inviting them into
Speaker 5: the canoe. And so the children, of course are way bigger,
Speaker 5: and they say, we can't get in there because the
Speaker 5: whole canoe will tip, and they say, oh, get in,
Speaker 5: And as soon as that they put one foot in,
Speaker 5: they start shrinking to the size of the little people.
Speaker 5: So they have magical powers. And actually they're still very
Speaker 5: present in modern culture. Like I when I was my
Speaker 5: kids were growing up, everybody talks.
Speaker 6: About Boodhlata mooch.
Speaker 5: If something went missing in your house, you blame budd
Speaker 5: Lata mooch if it or they move it. Sometimes you
Speaker 5: look for something and then you find it somewhere else.
Speaker 5: They play tricks on you. They still talk about that.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna date myself, but it almost sounds like the
Speaker 4: sours of a little cartoon. Unless you grew up in
Speaker 4: the eighties, you don't know this. Cartoons called the Littles.
Speaker 5: Oh, I remember the littles, yes, little.
Speaker 4: So I'm wondering if this was like the you know,
Speaker 4: the prototype for them to come up with that cartoon.
Speaker 5: The Chicken or the Egg. Maybe, I'm not sure. So
Speaker 5: then we have the Guques, who is a hairy man
Speaker 5: eating ogre.
Speaker 6: He is half man, half beast.
Speaker 5: And is known to carry away children in a basket
Speaker 5: on his back. That creature at the bottom corner is Screctamo,
Speaker 5: So he's the ghost of an evil sorcerer. He's a
Speaker 5: revenant and undead and he's a vampire. He lives in
Speaker 5: ghost World, which I'm going to talk about soup. Then
Speaker 5: we have sabawel New which are the mermaids. These are
Speaker 5: nature spirits and they're called halfway people people of the water,
Speaker 5: and they're alluring and dangerous. We have Jipijum, which is
Speaker 5: the horned sea serpent. Now this is a creature that
Speaker 5: can be as small as a worm or as big
Speaker 5: as a whale.
Speaker 6: He's a shape shifter in.
Speaker 5: Size and he will show up at the end times.
Speaker 5: And then we have Wimpy who's a giant magician and
Speaker 5: enemy of gluse Cat. There's so many legends of these two,
Speaker 5: like messing around and trying to trying to off each other,
Speaker 5: and so they're like mortal enemies forever. So we can
Speaker 5: go to the next line if.
Speaker 3: You want, I do.
Speaker 4: I don't have to ask a question before you get
Speaker 4: because especially decide We're gonna have a.
Speaker 3: Lot of questions. But it.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out whether a lot of these, uh,
Speaker 4: the historical depictions were influenced by the French, because they're
Speaker 4: they're up in Canada.
Speaker 5: Correct the French are, yes, for sure?
Speaker 3: Me know this.
Speaker 4: The tribe is originally from up up there, the big Mac. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: in the so I'm trying to figure out the influence
Speaker 4: that they had. Did the French have the influence or
Speaker 4: did it? When they got together, it was like the
Speaker 4: French was sharing their.
Speaker 5: Their well, they loved each other. The French and the
Speaker 5: make Mac were very friendly for for a century and
Speaker 5: a half. They had what was known as treaties of
Speaker 5: peace and friendship. They were known to intermary uh and
Speaker 5: had a long term peaceful relationship and ship with each other.
Speaker 5: So a lot of cultural exchanges. That's why we see
Speaker 5: the clothing of the chief slowly becoming quite French appearing.
Speaker 5: Oh thanks, old girl, most yeah, I said, give me
Speaker 5: a break. Yeah, I forgot what I was saying before
Speaker 5: I was answering Judith's question, and I got distracted. I apologize.
Speaker 4: No, actually you did answer it about how they intermingled
Speaker 4: and the culture. Yeah, because I'm just while they were
Speaker 4: sharing their exchanges when they first met and everything, the
Speaker 4: relationship between the two, like they would share their tails,
Speaker 4: and I was wondering if it was a conversation that
Speaker 4: either they.
Speaker 3: Like the stories that they were being told or they were.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, your version of this this boogeyman is this
Speaker 4: for us, which actually is would be fascinating that it
Speaker 4: was a letter because they were worlds apart, oceans apart,
Speaker 4: and they come together, had no contact with each other,
Speaker 4: and they're like, we have similar boogeyman's and similar similar
Speaker 4: things like the Gnomes and the Mermaids. Well, Mermaids is
Speaker 4: known every culture that ever has mermaids, but these other
Speaker 4: similar ones, it is is astounding.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that you pick there's a Norse and times
Speaker 5: during the more I don't know how to say it,
Speaker 5: but there's a giant snake and they both show up
Speaker 5: at the end time battle. Yeah. But actually, Judith, you
Speaker 5: had a good question about the French and the micmac relations.
Speaker 5: And I have a really good interesting story that I
Speaker 5: think will depict that about a man named Chief Member two.
Speaker 5: Now him is a spectacular character. The more I read
Speaker 5: about this guy, the more I wish I could get
Speaker 5: in a time machine and go meet him. He is
Speaker 5: six foot something, broad of shoulder, and wore a full beard. Okay,
Speaker 5: this is in the fifteen hundreds, No, Mick Max were
Speaker 5: not known to have facial hair, but he was proud
Speaker 5: to wear a red beard. Red whiskers he had, and
Speaker 5: so he was the grand Chief at the time. He
Speaker 5: met Jacques Cartier in fifteen thirty four, when he was
Speaker 5: I think twenty nine years old, so he was born
Speaker 5: in fifteen eleven, I think so. By the time Port
Speaker 5: Royal was established in Nova Scotia, which is now in sixteen.
Speaker 6: Four, I think.
Speaker 5: Member two is still the chief. He's one hundred and
Speaker 5: four years old now, and he's meeting a gentleman, like
Speaker 5: a fine fancy French lad called less cat Beau I think,
Speaker 5: or no, I think I haven't written down. But anyways,
Speaker 5: he makes this upper class officer from France who absolutely
Speaker 5: adores him. So now, traditionally in French like settlements, the
Speaker 5: hierarchy was maintained, so the officers didn't eat with the
Speaker 5: lesser people.
Speaker 6: There was a strict sort of separation.
Speaker 5: But when they would invite this chief and his men over,
Speaker 5: these men could dine with anyone anywhere they wanted, with
Speaker 5: officers and whoever. But the officers were enthralled by the
Speaker 5: stories that this chief would tell. They were in song,
Speaker 5: and they were, they would become animals in front of
Speaker 5: their eyes. And so they were just like mesmerized by
Speaker 5: the stories this chief told they and they believed every word.
Speaker 5: They didn't doubt these almost absurd stories adventures he'd had.
Speaker 6: He owned a boat called I think it's a shellop.
Speaker 5: It's a big it's not a canoe, it's a big
Speaker 5: seafaring ship that he was very proud of. That he
Speaker 5: would take out to see and meet the incoming Europeans.
Speaker 5: And so when he was one hundred and four years old,
Speaker 5: he took his men on a war party to Maine
Speaker 5: to avenge the death of his nephew.
Speaker 6: I think it was at one hundred and four.
Speaker 5: So he was gone at that time for an entire winter,
Speaker 5: and the men at Port Royal were said to be
Speaker 5: so sad at their departure and longed for their safe
Speaker 5: return so they could be regaled with new tales of
Speaker 5: their adventures of this incredible man. And so when he
Speaker 5: returned there was a major feast and a real welcome back.
Speaker 5: So I think you can see the relationship there. And
Speaker 5: the letters they wrote back to France about this man
Speaker 5: is where I'm getting all these details, and it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 5: I think, how they respected each other so well.
Speaker 4: It actually puts the French, French and Indian War into.
Speaker 3: A better perspective too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were allies.
Speaker 5: Well. So the first the previous winter before Member two
Speaker 5: went on his war party had been I think the
Speaker 5: first winter at Port Royal, which was a very difficult winter,
Speaker 5: and Chief Member two and his men were said to
Speaker 5: have spied them and said, these men will not make
Speaker 5: it unless we help them. So they did and so
Speaker 5: and that started these really lifelong, respectful relationships between the men.
Speaker 5: So we can go to the next.
Speaker 6: Light, Nick if you want.
Speaker 5: So. There's tons and tons of petroglyphs out here. These
Speaker 5: are mostly all found in Nova Scotia. The first one
Speaker 5: there is, of course, the eight pointed Star. This is
Speaker 5: found in Bedford Baron's Nova Scotia. Notice that there's some
Speaker 5: do Dad, they're up in the right corner. Now rarely
Speaker 5: is this shown as an entire photo. Usually you see
Speaker 5: the eight pointed star, but not the little jigger at
Speaker 5: the top, and that's said to be something to do
Speaker 5: with the phases of the moon.
Speaker 6: So I thought that was a cool one to add there.
Speaker 5: The second one is a picture depicting well, a giant ship,
Speaker 5: a tall ship, and what seems to be some shape
Speaker 5: shifting creatures. It seemed to be met half men, half
Speaker 5: trees or antlers, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: And that is.
Speaker 5: Also a nova Scotia. The next one is a strange one.
Speaker 5: This is a etching of one of the petroglyphs, but
Speaker 5: it shows a six pointed star with a letter in
Speaker 5: the center, and I thought, well, that's strange, and some.
Speaker 6: Sort of a sailboat.
Speaker 5: What's that?
Speaker 3: Is it a g.
Speaker 5: What do you see? Yeah, I'm not sure what the
Speaker 5: significance is, but I thought it's interesting. It's a lot
Speaker 5: of stars. The one next to it is actually still
Speaker 5: used today. This isn't etching as well. This is still
Speaker 5: used by this h the Grand Council. This is an
Speaker 5: ancient symbol still used today. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: can really make out the bottom one too. Well, this
Speaker 5: is a wild scene. At the bottom there's a little
Speaker 5: Davy Crockett looking guy, looks like he's got like raccoon
Speaker 5: hat or something. And then there's the giant moose, and
Speaker 5: there's a man on a horse and a couple of priests. Maybe,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. A lot going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see the Davy crock.
Speaker 3: You see.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if that symbolized like maybe a hunt and
Speaker 4: during the time of this drum do you know if
Speaker 4: the French settlers were there by then?
Speaker 5: It looks like priests or Jesuits maybe because they're they're
Speaker 5: the ones on the left there there looked like they're
Speaker 5: wearing robes and holding across to me.
Speaker 6: But I could be.
Speaker 1: Wrong, definitely does I'm not sure both both the tribe
Speaker 1: and some sort of white people together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what any of them mean. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I just know there. I don't even know when they
Speaker 5: were were scratched the well, the one next to it,
Speaker 5: the number six there. This is actually a much much
Speaker 5: bigger petroglyph. It actually shows I think three surps a
Speaker 5: sun and what I think is a woman, but I'm
Speaker 5: not sure what the significance is there either it could
Speaker 5: be a legend. And then the last one at the
Speaker 5: bottom is them showing a whale hunt, which they did
Speaker 5: on a canoe. Yeah, you can go to the next
Speaker 5: side if you sure. So. Now we're going to get
Speaker 5: into the cosmology what the world looks like. So they
Speaker 5: call North America Turtle Island. That's the name traditionally given.
Speaker 5: They followed a thirteen month lunar calendar. So if you
Speaker 5: see at the back of the turtle there the turtle
Speaker 5: shell that's used as a lunar calendar. So the inner
Speaker 5: thirteen scales represent thirteen months and then the outer twenty
Speaker 5: eight scales represent the day's twenty eight dies. The night
Speaker 5: sky was called the cavern of darkness holding the stars.
Speaker 5: It's similar to the Egyptian nut. The Milky Way was
Speaker 5: known as the Milky River, and it's the way that
Speaker 5: which guides the world above the sky, which we're going
Speaker 5: to get to in a minute. This is where the
Speaker 5: spirits go.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 6: The way, the way.
Speaker 5: It takes a whole year once you pass to travel
Speaker 5: the Milky Way back to the stars and so the
Speaker 5: the Mickmac, well, I guess there's six parallel worlds. So
Speaker 5: we'll get to the next slide.
Speaker 1: You know, I did.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: It could have been in some sort of tribe. Well,
Speaker 2: when I did cover Jamatra and Cypher's it was like
Speaker 2: a two or three part series that did with Lisa.
Speaker 2: I did mention how they showed how they did use
Speaker 2: the shell of a turtle is like a way to
Speaker 2: make some sort of like sigil. I think it might
Speaker 2: have been a four by four square on the back
Speaker 2: of a turtle or something. So I even showed how
Speaker 2: that the back of a turtle is used in a
Speaker 2: different way with numerology.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that interesting. Well, each each month represents a different animal,
Speaker 5: a different like occurrence in nature. It has a name.
Speaker 5: M hmm, but I don't know. I wouldn't try to
Speaker 5: pronounce them.
Speaker 1: We got newe April April eighth, New Week.
Speaker 6: Coming soon April eighth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the first writing of the Book of the Law,
Speaker 2: the first book, the first part of the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighth, nice and tenth that was written.
Speaker 5: So in the mcmac world, there's six parallel worlds. Okay,
Speaker 5: So the word the first world is the world.
Speaker 6: Above the sky.
Speaker 5: So this is the Milky Way, the spirit world, the
Speaker 5: path to the land of the dead. It's where the
Speaker 5: ancestors dwell. It's the realm of the masters. It's the
Speaker 5: domain of spirit beings. And it's where the stars and
Speaker 5: celestial objects.
Speaker 6: Are used for navigation.
Speaker 5: So the stars are fixed, but the planets obviously move,
Speaker 5: so they would refer to those as the traveling stars.
Speaker 6: So it kind of works like a giant clock where.
Speaker 5: The star the fixed stars are like the numbers on
Speaker 5: the clock, and the planets moving are like the marker
Speaker 5: of time, if that makes any sense. So that's the
Speaker 5: world above the sky. Next is the world above the earth,
Speaker 5: so this is sky world. So it's the realm all
Speaker 5: of the birds. It's there's a giant man eating bird
Speaker 5: also that lives in this realm, and it's it's what's
Speaker 5: referred to as the bird's eye view for the shaman.
Speaker 5: So a shaman would we'd learn it's kind of like
Speaker 5: the three eyed raven maybe on the Game of Thrones.
Speaker 5: They have to learn to embody the spirit of an
Speaker 5: animal in order to gain the vision. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: So they would be able to gain a bird's eye view.
Speaker 5: So the third one is the Earth world. So that's
Speaker 5: the material realm where we live. It's the physical world,
Speaker 5: but it is a temporary realm. It's the world of decay, seasons, change,
Speaker 5: and it's very transient. Next comes the world, the World
Speaker 5: beneath the Water. This is where Jipi gung limbs, the whales,
Speaker 5: the mermaids, sabawell news.
Speaker 6: And it is affected by Grandmother Moon.
Speaker 5: This world, the water world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense tides.
Speaker 5: Then we have the world beneath the Earth, and this
Speaker 5: one is kind of interesting. It's accessible. It's an accessible realm.
Speaker 5: You can get there through secret tunnels, mountains.
Speaker 6: It's not an underworld.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have like undead creatures, but it's another realm
Speaker 5: inhabited by unique dwellers. And any any Bowin who's a
Speaker 5: magician or a medicine man has to travel through this
Speaker 5: world to gain power and knowledge and wisdom.
Speaker 1: HM.
Speaker 5: So and then all around it you see what is
Speaker 5: known as ghost World. So ghost world's the world between worlds.
Speaker 5: It's a spirit world, a land of lost souls like
Speaker 5: the schaechtamok Undid witch doctor. It's a dangerous realm. It
Speaker 5: can be tricky or distorted. It's full of dangers for
Speaker 5: the uninitiated. But a shaman could travel there for for
Speaker 5: a medicine. Even shamans are are have access to all
Speaker 5: of the worlds.
Speaker 6: It's like layers of density.
Speaker 5: If you think about it, the one the top one
Speaker 5: is lighter than air. Then you have air and earth,
Speaker 5: and then more more and more dense the more you go. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so we can get to the next one.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Sounds really interesting. Actually, I even think actually.
Speaker 5: Some of this stuff is not even common to to
Speaker 5: modern Mickmax. This is like really rooted in the in
Speaker 5: the tradition, So if someone is living a very sort
Speaker 5: of modern life, they may not always know all of
Speaker 5: these either.
Speaker 4: I like to bring up a comment I guess al
Speaker 4: Ali Gregory made about you could spot a few of
Speaker 4: these within the literature and different cultures of the different tribes.
Speaker 3: Within at least through North America or the creatures.
Speaker 4: Well, the this sixth world level, the sixth world concept
Speaker 4: that you just went over.
Speaker 3: Oh, because most most of the time, if you take
Speaker 3: a deep yeah, oh you.
Speaker 1: Say this one actually says the show the show?
Speaker 5: Maybe what does it say?
Speaker 3: Oh he was referring the turtles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: Actually, here's a fun fact, Santa Paz my name is
Speaker 5: known as Turtle clan. Oh, and the turtle clan each
Speaker 5: each of the seven or there's there's seven try or
Speaker 5: clans associated with like a totemorn animal, and so turtle
Speaker 5: is responsible for they're wisdom keepers because they're they're ancient,
Speaker 5: they're old, they're slow, and their long lives so they
Speaker 5: carry wisdom for a long time. So anybody whose turtle clan,
Speaker 5: that's that's their their duty.
Speaker 1: I guess she's got Ala Gregory or whatever you call yourself.
Speaker 2: You've got a grateful data logo. What do you think
Speaker 2: about Terrapin Station and the turtle on that. I've always
Speaker 2: thought that their turtle symbolism was actually a cult, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you the truth.
Speaker 6: A band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're very spiritual.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, they put from a lot of differences.
Speaker 5: You know, if you look at the old any old
Speaker 5: album covers, there's a lot of wild stuff out there,
Speaker 5: like from the seventies and eighties, like all the Journey
Speaker 5: covers is all Egyptian stuff, and so we can go
Speaker 5: to the glose cap Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 6: So there's Gluose Cap.
Speaker 5: So this is an actual statue not far from here.
Speaker 5: It's it's really tall. I can't It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: forty feet tall, and it's gotta be tall. It's huge.
Speaker 5: And he's holding a torch. He carries the fire. So
Speaker 5: gluse Cap is a benevolent Prometheane figure. He's similar to Quetta,
Speaker 5: Quattle or Veracocha figures. He was created from lightning. He's
Speaker 5: created from three bolts of lightning, and so the first
Speaker 5: bolt of lightning gives him form the form of a man,
Speaker 5: but he's still bound to the earth and has no senses.
Speaker 5: And so the second bolt of lightning gives him the
Speaker 5: five sacred parts of the head. So now he has senses.
Speaker 5: He can see and hear and taste and speak, but
Speaker 5: he's still bound to the earth. And then comes this
Speaker 5: third bolt of lightning, which frees him from the ground
Speaker 5: and makes him.
Speaker 6: Free to roam. So that's how he is born.
Speaker 5: He's the creator of mankind. Now there's a couple. There's
Speaker 5: two variations of how he goes about to create mankind.
Speaker 5: The first one we mentioned earlier, which is the seventh
Speaker 5: Sacred sparks of the Sacred Fire. So it says that
Speaker 5: once glues Cap and his grandmother made the sacred the
Speaker 5: first sacred fire, seven sparks flew out, and then another
Speaker 5: seven sparks, creating the first seven men and seven women
Speaker 5: of the Seven Tricks. The other variation speaks of glues
Speaker 5: Cap using his arrow to shoot at the ash tree
Speaker 5: and created man from ash tree. Yeah, he's also a
Speaker 5: shape shifter. He's a magician. He wears a magical belt.
Speaker 5: He's responsible for naming all the animals, all.
Speaker 6: The plants, and the stars.
Speaker 5: He's always accompanied by two dogs or sometimes they're wolves.
Speaker 5: And also he's also accompanied by two messengers which are loons.
Speaker 5: Hey Loon. He has an evil twin called Malsam. Now
Speaker 5: Malson is called the Wolf also, and he is kind
Speaker 5: of a trickster, and he likes to go around on
Speaker 5: doing things that glues Cap has done. Or he'll create
Speaker 5: twins likedine. He'll create what is a medicine. He will
Speaker 5: make it a poison, but they look identical, you know.
Speaker 5: He just goes around messing things up. So gluse Cap
Speaker 5: he departs but promises to return his coming in the
Speaker 5: last day, so his departure also has two variations. One
Speaker 5: says that he went west, saying to the people, I
Speaker 5: go away now, but I shall return again. When you
Speaker 5: hear the ground tremble, know that it is I. And
Speaker 5: the other variation says that he traveled the great Milky
Speaker 5: Way on his canoe to the stars and became the
Speaker 5: constellation Orion, the great Hunter, with his two dogs, Ursa
Speaker 5: Major and Ursa Minor. Now also Sirius is called the
Speaker 5: dog star, which is star found in Ursa Minor. I think,
Speaker 5: and he says, when the earth begins to tremble, it
Speaker 5: will be time for the great battle gluse Cap versus
Speaker 5: Malsam and all the beasts of old in time when
Speaker 5: gloose Cap wins and ushers in a great age of peace.
Speaker 5: So if you go to the next slide, I'm going
Speaker 5: to read you a poem trembles Igdrasil's ash yet standing
Speaker 5: groans the aged tree, and the wolf runs. The monsters
Speaker 5: Kin goes all with the wolf. The stony hills are
Speaker 5: dashed together, the giantesses tottered. Then arises Helene's second grief,
Speaker 5: when Odin goes with the wolf to fight. Now, this
Speaker 5: is a quote from the volume spot stands as forty seven.
Speaker 5: This is a Norse story of Ragnarok. So to me
Speaker 5: that was very similar to the end story between the
Speaker 5: war between Malsam and blues Cap, with all the beasts,
Speaker 5: all the creatures and the serpents.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So all this is from the Aida, which are thirteenth
Speaker 5: century Icelandic poems and tales of Odin have many similarities
Speaker 5: to mick mac Laura and mythology.
Speaker 4: That comment made me. I was talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: the exchange of information with the French earlier, but that
Speaker 4: and you're linking the Norse history with a lot of
Speaker 4: the similarities with their and it almost proves that the
Speaker 4: Vikings may have gotten there before the French and may
Speaker 4: have shared before and shared their co.
Speaker 5: We know for sure that since around one thousand AG
Speaker 5: there's settlements in Lonso Meadows, Newfoundland, Viking settlements. These were
Speaker 5: not like temporary fishing settlements, these were long term villages.
Speaker 5: And so this is.
Speaker 6: Way before the French showed up.
Speaker 5: And I have begun to see a lot of similarities
Speaker 5: in the and mythology and the folklore and the traditions
Speaker 5: between the North and the Micmac. Actually there's also a
Speaker 5: lot of archaeological evidence linking the Vikings to lots of
Speaker 5: places in North America, including all the way to Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's the what is it called the Kensington Stone in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: And there's the Yarmic Runic Stone. Yarmouth Runic Stone, which
Speaker 5: is in Nova Scotia is possibly a really left by
Speaker 5: Leif Ericson in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 4: And I was about to say something in Mark popped
Speaker 4: up in the chat as well.
Speaker 3: The red headed Indians.
Speaker 4: As well, the fact that the chief that you spoke
Speaker 4: of earlier had a red beard. I was a little
Speaker 4: surprised by that.
Speaker 5: I was like, and he was proud of it.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you something funny.
Speaker 5: My ex husband had black hair, but when he grew
Speaker 5: a beard, he had red whiskers.
Speaker 1: There was some noise, dude knocked up some Mick mac chick,
Speaker 1: no doubt.
Speaker 5: Actually there's Nick mad Blood in Iceland.
Speaker 6: There's a story.
Speaker 5: Where is that story? I think it's in another part,
Speaker 5: but there's definitely a story where in the saga of
Speaker 5: Eric the Red, which is a Norse saga, it talks
Speaker 5: about how the it wasn't Mick Max, sorry, it was
Speaker 5: I think definitely native but I'm not sure if it
Speaker 5: was Mick mac. They took these two children to Iceland
Speaker 5: native children taught them the Lane language, and and now
Speaker 5: there's direct DNA tracing lineage in Iceland back to North America.
Speaker 5: So there was a criss crossing between the cultures, I believe.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I totally think so.
Speaker 3: Most most definitely there was don't know what this is there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's more. Actually, I have a few more
Speaker 5: slides that that gets into that a little bit. I
Speaker 5: think the next one shows the similarities between blues Cap
Speaker 5: and Odin. Oh, and you can notice the tree there,
Speaker 5: that's the the Idrisil tree of life. There. Oh, there
Speaker 5: you go.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: It's not uncommon to see red whiskers on mcmcmahon.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 5: So we can go to the next line. There we go. Okay,
Speaker 5: so here's judas as you were saying, similarities between the
Speaker 5: care of Odin and glues Cap. Each of them is
Speaker 5: said to create man from ash tree and the ada
Speaker 5: is Odin creates a woman out of elm. I think
Speaker 5: they were without senses until they were endowed by the creator.
Speaker 5: Odin has two ravens as messengers glues Cap has two loons,
Speaker 5: Odin has two wolves as companions. Glues Cap has two dogs.
Speaker 5: Odin is present at the final battle of Ragnarok, and
Speaker 5: glues Cap based final at the last battle with Malsum.
Speaker 5: They each created the dwarves and all the creatures, and
Speaker 5: at the end they are accompanied by the giant sea
Speaker 5: serpent at the final battle. And you can see similarities
Speaker 5: in the symbols as well. So the center one is
Speaker 5: the solar cross for the Norse, and on the right
Speaker 5: side we have in the center the medicine wheel. Bottom
Speaker 5: is each depiction of the eight pointed star, kind of
Speaker 5: a variation of the Norse one.
Speaker 6: And at the top left is the what do you
Speaker 6: call them? The ruins, So this is how.
Speaker 5: They show. You get the ruins from the eight pointed star,
Speaker 5: which is a mack mac symbol. So the Norse ruins
Speaker 5: come from the eight pointed star. Kind of no, I
Speaker 5: don't do you.
Speaker 3: You did mentioned earlier that they might sometimes there were wolves.
Speaker 5: In some the legends they call they call them wolves,
Speaker 5: so there's a lot of wolf the symbology to which
Speaker 5: I think is very Viking. They're the sons of Wolf, right,
Speaker 5: the sons of the wolf, and so Malsam is known
Speaker 5: as the wolf.
Speaker 6: He has sometimes two wolves at his side.
Speaker 5: It's I find it convincing an interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you also have to like sometimes like this
Speaker 2: is how I would put it into context, like, uh,
Speaker 2: maybe a little loans I'm just taking a guess might
Speaker 2: have been more common to see than ravens. So they
Speaker 2: just attributed to whatever was around them that they could
Speaker 2: use and see.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So sometimes I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's even the difference.
Speaker 2: It is just they are recapping it, but they're just
Speaker 2: going to use things that you know, they're equivalent.
Speaker 5: We find well, I mean the solar symbol is is
Speaker 5: and it goes back as far as as time. So
Speaker 5: I think every culture has a solo cross or or
Speaker 5: that you know that symbol the circle and the cross.
Speaker 4: And we did find out yesterday that the Canadians do
Speaker 4: love the loans is. It is a popular It's not
Speaker 4: popular as popular down here, uh in the US, but
Speaker 4: I know it's popular in Canada as well.
Speaker 1: This is another reason the Yeah, it's another reason why
Speaker 1: I even thought, I'm like, well, the loon is probably
Speaker 1: more normal to see over there than ravens.
Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, yeah, Ravens.
Speaker 5: Well, there are some, but they're most more of a
Speaker 5: western bird, like a western coast, but you do see
Speaker 5: them occasionally.
Speaker 1: So very interesting.
Speaker 5: M So we can go to the next slide. Oh,
Speaker 5: this is just a side by side of the cosmology.
Speaker 5: So the left one is you see in the center
Speaker 5: as mid guard you see the axis access in the
Speaker 5: poles is the one on the right is the mickmax.
Speaker 6: So they're they're quite similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just.
Speaker 5: Thought that was interesting. Another another parallel for sure. I
Speaker 5: thought i'd just throw that in there. You can go
Speaker 5: to the next So this shows. So the reason I
Speaker 5: included this chariot card is because I do terot, and
Speaker 5: so when I was doing the symbols for glues Cap,
Speaker 5: I thought, where have I seen all of this before?
Speaker 5: So I took out my tarot cards and I was like, huh, well,
Speaker 5: there's two sphinxes. Oh, and his dogs are usually a
Speaker 5: black and a white glues caps. So when I saw
Speaker 5: the chariot card with the black and white sphinx on
Speaker 5: his chest, he has an eight pointed star, he wears
Speaker 5: a crown of stars, and he's a canopy of stars
Speaker 5: above his head. He holds a magic wand and he
Speaker 5: has a belt, so glues Cap also has a magic belt.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you're familiar with the Crowley
Speaker 5: deck the Thoat deck, so that's the one in the
Speaker 5: middle there, and he's usually shown depicting in this one
Speaker 5: what's referred to as the Holy Grail, and that kind
Speaker 5: of gets into the later part of the presentation. But
Speaker 5: I thought that was interesting that the archetypes are kind
Speaker 5: of the same. You see the same symbols appear over
Speaker 5: and over again. So that's why I put that there.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it means anything. I'm just saying I
Speaker 5: noticed a lot of symbols. So yeah, we can go
Speaker 5: to the next line. So the north from the vikings
Speaker 5: in America is becoming I think a more widely accepted theory.
Speaker 5: I think archaeology maybe mainstream is losing its grip on
Speaker 5: the narrative hopefully, so we're looking at also greenland settlements
Speaker 5: and like I said, as far back as Minnesota, there's
Speaker 5: a Kensington runestone and have a pretty big I think
Speaker 5: heritage from Scandinavia. I'm not sure which country is exactly,
Speaker 5: but you.
Speaker 1: Know what I wanted to mention real quick.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it earlier, and now when you just said
Speaker 2: it again, the Kensington ronstone. This is really interesting because
Speaker 2: I think did you mention Knights Templars earlier? Yeah, Scott
Speaker 2: Walter from the Knights Templars supposedly, and I saw him
Speaker 2: say this live in front of my face. They deciphered
Speaker 2: this tablet and supposedly have found the bones of Mary
Speaker 2: Jesus and one of the arcs. I saw that that
Speaker 2: he's a Knights Templar.
Speaker 1: He's open about that.
Speaker 5: I know. Well, actually a lot of this Kensington rohnestone
Speaker 5: is attached to Scott Walter, like he's probably the if
Speaker 5: you look up these kind of things, you're going to
Speaker 5: come across Cart Walter. He's probably the biggest supporter of
Speaker 5: this theory. And he's a he's an actual like forensic geologist.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: Something.
Speaker 2: Actually I met that guy and walked to Mount Pilot
Speaker 2: with him. Oh yeah, yeah, in North Carolina.
Speaker 5: You have him on your show.
Speaker 1: I've actually tried to.
Speaker 2: I mean, he said he would, but then the guy
Speaker 2: never answered me even followed me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I should hit him up again. Maybe, actually, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: There's always something new coming out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well that's another thing too.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's filming shit, so he's pretty busy,
Speaker 2: and I'll just keep it real like on a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to go on a bigger show
Speaker 1: than Morning.
Speaker 5: See. So yeah, the Vikings were called, I said earlier,
Speaker 5: the sons of Wolf or the Wolves of the Seas. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and the show is that the map there just shows
Speaker 5: their their trajectories. They were well well known to sail
Speaker 5: those seas, often in their classic serpent ships.
Speaker 4: It would be, uh, it would be fitting for them
Speaker 4: to be called wolves of the sea because till this day,
Speaker 4: those those routes are not the kindest.
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be the roughest seas. So the fact
Speaker 3: that they.
Speaker 6: There is the what do you call that?
Speaker 5: The way the do you just follow the currents? There's
Speaker 5: there's some way to follow some currents, I think, But
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Do the Do the Macawic have like stories of the
Speaker 4: actual vikings of like them in the past and how
Speaker 4: they interacted in the meeting and the exchanges between the two.
Speaker 5: Not not from my knowledge. No, I haven't heard any
Speaker 5: like like legends and stories about the No, I haven't
Speaker 5: m hmm. I'm not saying there isn't. I'm just saying
Speaker 5: I'm not aware of any.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they regardless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be interesting to look into the DNA because
Speaker 5: I know, like I know, there's trade there's DNA in
Speaker 5: in Europe from mcmac people that were brought over like uh,
Speaker 5: they were intermarried and and went to Europe and some
Speaker 5: were presented to court and all kinds of things. So
Speaker 5: there's lots of stories of micmacs going to Europe. And
Speaker 5: I'd like to see, like where's the blood found, because
Speaker 5: we know the Mormons claim mcmac blood, So I'd like
Speaker 5: to see where where that has spread to. I wonder
Speaker 5: if there's a comprehensive study going on.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, that was another reason why I was
Speaker 2: very interested in the macmac And you did say that
Speaker 2: at the beginning, and I should have mentioned I totally
Speaker 2: for guys the whole Mormon thing too.
Speaker 1: I find that very interesting how they tell you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that blew my mind because I like the mcmac
Speaker 5: stuff is I know, my whole life, but this part
Speaker 5: of the presentation I didn't know anything about, and the
Speaker 5: Mormon stuff I didn't know anything about until I had
Speaker 5: heard Heidi Love talking about it, and when she started
Speaker 5: talking about the language and the bloodlines, and I was like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, what is she talking about? How does
Speaker 5: that even happen? I'd never heard of it. So we're
Speaker 5: going to talk about.
Speaker 6: That a little later.
Speaker 1: Maybe nice, So we can go to.
Speaker 5: The next slide. Now we get to Acadia. The Acadians.
Speaker 5: They're the seventeenth century French settlers from western France known
Speaker 5: as Bretagne. The Acadian flag there freatures the French flag
Speaker 5: with the addition of the yellow star, also a five
Speaker 5: pointed star. The name of the flag is the Star
Speaker 5: of the Sea.
Speaker 6: It's called Stella Maurice.
Speaker 5: The patron saint of Acadians is Our Lady of Assumption,
Speaker 5: the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the national anthem is Ave Maria.
Speaker 5: Stella's Marian him notice a pattern. So they were deported
Speaker 5: in seventeen fifty five, eventually landing in Louisiana. They weren't
Speaker 5: deported to Louisiana, but they eventually made their way there
Speaker 5: and became the Cajuns. So, hey, cousins. I wanted to
Speaker 5: mention a few things about this. This Acadian flag and
Speaker 5: the word so stella marius, it means the star of
Speaker 5: the c. In French. The French word for c is
Speaker 5: map m e r. The French word for mother is
Speaker 5: also map m e r e, So if you were
Speaker 5: to say it, it sounds the same, but there's spelled different.
Speaker 5: So it could also be the star of the Mother.
Speaker 5: And then you might think, I would think like ish
Speaker 5: star or the holy Mother or the divine feminine. So
Speaker 5: I had thought perhaps maybe there's some reason the Acadians
Speaker 5: came to the New World. Maybe they were hiding a
Speaker 5: secret to or there were some whispers that they might
Speaker 5: be left over Cathars, which is a whole nother rabbit hole. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I just thought they were They were fun, little
Speaker 5: little facts. Oh and I wanted to mention.
Speaker 6: Some called the fi duvois.
Speaker 5: So there were about eight hundred girls that were sent
Speaker 5: to New France by King Louis the fourteenth with a
Speaker 5: dowry paid by him to marry all the French men
Speaker 5: that had been settling here without any lady friendship. So
Speaker 5: they were usually poor, uneducated women, each twelve to twenty five,
Speaker 5: and modern day descendants of these girls include Hillary Clinton, Madonna,
Speaker 5: and Angelina Jolie. So that's just a fun fair.
Speaker 8: Another rabbit hole to go down, right, Yeah, Well, it
Speaker 8: seems like it's so strange how connected France is to everything,
Speaker 8: whether you're looking at Cathars or Templars, or Acadians, or
Speaker 8: even the origin of like, for instance, the Sainclair clan.
Speaker 6: The talk about that a little later.
Speaker 5: So it's it's so central to everything that's happening throughout
Speaker 5: history here.
Speaker 6: It affects everything that happens here.
Speaker 5: I somehow have.
Speaker 1: More of an influence than people realize.
Speaker 5: I agree, and I think Quebec here in Canada still
Speaker 5: sends boat loads and money to France all the time.
Speaker 6: That's their arrangement.
Speaker 4: That's why they remember that it wasn't just the British
Speaker 4: that colonized the North America. The French was side by
Speaker 4: side with them, yes, and had just as much territory
Speaker 4: act if not more than the original British.
Speaker 5: Well what happened here in Acadia too is because of
Speaker 5: these long term relationships between the Akkadian and the Micmac.
Speaker 5: They were allies, that was a team against the British.
Speaker 5: They could not they could not defeat the Micmac if
Speaker 5: they were They're going to fight for each other. So
Speaker 5: the British deported the French and weakened the micmac and
Speaker 5: one mm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want I don't want to like jump
Speaker 2: too far with like a stretch. But even thinking of
Speaker 2: New Wheat earlier, I mean that would be another female
Speaker 2: deity associated with stars.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, the first thing that came to
Speaker 5: mind when I was doing this wordplay with the star
Speaker 5: and the sea and the Mother was Ishar. Kept coming
Speaker 5: to my mind because the star of Ishtar the star
Speaker 5: of the mother. Anyways, that's just my association, but it's
Speaker 5: very it's very sort of divine, feminine, you know.
Speaker 6: Marian blessed Virgin.
Speaker 5: It's very there's a thief, you know, but they're very Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Judith, Now, isn't the it's not like a secret thing.
Speaker 2: I mean I think you can even find it online.
Speaker 2: The inside temple like the oto, it has like the
Speaker 2: five pointed star on the ceiling and then like the
Speaker 2: dark black purple ceiling with it, right, Like, isn't that
Speaker 2: how it's depicted?
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 3: I'm an old lady, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I'm even bringing that up is that
Speaker 2: when I noticed when I went to the Sistine Chapel
Speaker 2: before they painted, he painted that whole ceiling thing. That's
Speaker 2: what it looked like as well before he painted over.
Speaker 2: So it just is, uh, you know, it's like kind
Speaker 2: of a dark blue thing. So like I'm just wondering,
Speaker 2: like is there even a connection with like so like
Speaker 2: even like I kind of Virgin Mary or this type
Speaker 2: of shit with the ceiling inside the oto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very weird.
Speaker 2: I mean because you know, Crowley does even say that
Speaker 2: he based the mass off of uh Russian Orthodox Catholicism.
Speaker 5: Isn't it also the sign for Venus the five pointed.
Speaker 2: Store or no, I think it would be seven, but
Speaker 2: I might be five. Okay, five would well have to explain.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into it. But you know
Speaker 2: the seventh sphere, which would be Venus where does have
Speaker 2: a relationship with the fifths.
Speaker 1: Here in the tree?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry about that whole rant. We're trying to
Speaker 1: get some kind of point out of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're good.
Speaker 4: Well, well I think you were trying to put the
Speaker 4: sum in larities together.
Speaker 1: Like that. Yeah, it is kind of like that.
Speaker 4: It is through it's throughout the North America and Europe.
Speaker 4: Basically we basically we share that history, and I think
Speaker 4: it's more surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, old old world. Mick Mac says, the star is
Speaker 2: the Mac hieroglyph for heaven.
Speaker 3: I think it has.
Speaker 5: Dome on top.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 5: I think I have slides of this coming up too,
Speaker 5: showing that the heaven. Yeah, the hieroglyphs. So next comes
Speaker 5: secret society, the Grand Medicine Society called the madea Win
Speaker 5: so the maday Win or an organization of traditional spiritualists
Speaker 5: and healers, practitioners of magic, keepers of sacred knowledge. They
Speaker 5: perform ceremonies in the lodges, they create their medicine bags,
Speaker 5: They learn dances in the use of water drum. It's
Speaker 5: a structured society with learning including degrees and initiations. Initiates
Speaker 5: and pledges are guided by the Midday which are the leaders.
Speaker 5: And teachings are still kept on birth bark scrolls like
Speaker 5: I said earlier, and also stones teaching stones.
Speaker 6: The Meigas shell, which is that Cawie shell.
Speaker 5: Is a sacred item used in initiationiations and ceremonies. And
Speaker 5: this is a shell that and initiate will be shot
Speaker 5: with and it has to pierce the skin. It has
Speaker 5: to pierce the flesh to be yeah. So yeah, and
Speaker 5: then so they also participate in sweat launches and vision quests.
Speaker 5: It may include like fasting and seasonal ceremonies. Yeah, they're
Speaker 5: still around for real.
Speaker 1: We can go.
Speaker 5: We have mounds. We have a mount. So in New
Speaker 5: Brunswick there's a discovery was made in the area known
Speaker 5: as Metapanakia. Near the Oxbow bend of the Merrimachie River
Speaker 5: is found what is known as the Augustine Mount discovered
Speaker 5: in the late seventies by a local elder who was
Speaker 5: reading an article in the National Geographic about an ancient
Speaker 5: burial mound in Arizona. When he remembered the local mount.
Speaker 5: He began to dig and immediately found artifacts like copper
Speaker 5: beads and arrowheads. He also discovered a settlement a village
Speaker 5: where the people had lived at the ox Boast site
Speaker 5: dated at twenty five hundred years old. It's described as
Speaker 5: an a Dina style mound from the Ohio River Valley.
Speaker 5: It was excavated in the eighties and items found include
Speaker 5: many copper beads and scrolls said to be from Lake Superior,
Speaker 5: Ohio fireclay pipes, distinctive Adena type stone tools. Also of
Speaker 5: note in the mound were numerous flakes of quartz crystal
Speaker 5: Michigan copper, which is called float copper, has a unique
Speaker 5: composition and is easily identified. Michigan copper has been found
Speaker 5: as far as Manoa and on Phoenician coins. The amount
Speaker 5: of ancient copper mind from the Great Lakes region is
Speaker 5: still largely unaccounted for. It's designated a ceremonial burial mound
Speaker 5: with objects found buried in the fetal position or subject
Speaker 5: excuse me, found buried in the fetal position facing east
Speaker 5: and wrapped in birch bark. They were surrounded with items
Speaker 5: of significance such as pipes, tools, feathers.
Speaker 6: And pelts.
Speaker 5: And up to the nineties there used to be like
Speaker 5: a tourist center.
Speaker 6: Talking about the mound.
Speaker 5: But I guess it's no longer no longer available, So yeah,
Speaker 5: I thought that was.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool the close.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I think I think that's according to the website,
Speaker 5: it's no longer in operation. I'm trying to see if
Speaker 5: I can make a connection here or there to go
Speaker 5: see it myself, because I've never been there, even though
Speaker 5: it's like practically in my own backyard.
Speaker 3: Hopefully someone will here see this and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll send you an invite.
Speaker 5: Come on, oder, Yeah, why not.
Speaker 6: They can go to the next slide.
Speaker 5: Nick, if you want.
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 5: So then we get to the Phoenician trail. So the
Speaker 5: Phoenician link cannot be ignored here. It's widely speculated that
Speaker 5: the Phoenicians travel to North America in ancient times. They
Speaker 5: were well known seafarers and navigators, and in particular to
Speaker 5: the Great Lakes region to mine copper. Higher glyphs known
Speaker 5: as the Dighton Rock in Massachusetts of unknown origin have
Speaker 5: been said to possibly originate from the Phoenician or possibly Norse.
Speaker 5: Modern DNA studies through genetic tracing in haplo groups contra,
Speaker 5: you should claim that the Cherokee people are descendants of
Speaker 5: the Phoenicians. Linguistic associations can also be made between the groups.
Speaker 5: So those photographs, they're the one on the left is
Speaker 5: called Hanukia Mound or a Menora mound in Ohio. So
Speaker 5: this is looks like a menora or an oil lamp.
Speaker 5: This no longer exists. This has been plowed over and
Speaker 5: it's gone, but it's it's obviously Hebrew or Phoenician relic
Speaker 5: or object. Then you get the bat Creek Stone, which
Speaker 5: is a tablet found in this in Tennessee in a
Speaker 5: Hopewell mound. At first thought to be Cherokee script, it
Speaker 5: was later claimed to be Paleo Hebrew dismissed as a hoax,
Speaker 5: but it's still held by the Smithsonian. And yeah, the
Speaker 5: whole site is also now underwater. The one at the
Speaker 5: top right is called the Diton Rock, so a glacial
Speaker 5: boulder found in Berkeley, Massachusetts. It's referenced in sixteen ninety
Speaker 5: by Cauthern Cotton Mathers of the Salem Witch Trials. Uh
Speaker 5: in seventeen No, it doesn't matter. So, yeah, this is
Speaker 5: another one of those Paleo Hebrew and Hebrew stones. At
Speaker 5: the bottom is what's called the Cherokee syllabary, and it
Speaker 5: showcases similarities between Paleo Hebrew and this Cherokee. And then
Speaker 5: I showed a Phoenician boat because those are a lot
Speaker 5: like the Viking boats a little bit. H So, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've got like notes on tons of stones. I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna skip them.
Speaker 6: But there's like literally like buckets.
Speaker 5: There's the what are they called the Michigan relics. If
Speaker 5: you guys want to look into that, check out the
Speaker 5: Michigan Relics.
Speaker 6: There's about thirty thousand artifacts.
Speaker 5: They depict biblical scenes.
Speaker 6: Uh, they're tablets of.
Speaker 5: Slate and copper, and they referenced Noah and King Sulomon
Speaker 5: and stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you know how far back the.
Speaker 5: Dating? Yes, I think I think they said, I want
Speaker 5: to say, three hundred eighty.
Speaker 3: What don't quote me? H, that's that's very significant.
Speaker 5: You might you might want to fact check me on that,
Speaker 5: but that's what I think I saw. Yeah, that one
Speaker 5: is a really significant one. And there's there's like literally
Speaker 5: like tons. I have four pages of notes on all
Speaker 5: kinds of stones and stuff. But yeah, any questions, okay.
Speaker 5: So here it says, go to the jew of whom
Speaker 5: the Lamanites or a remnant, that they may believe the
Speaker 5: Gospel and look not for a messiah to come who
Speaker 5: has already come. So this is from Book of Mormon.
Speaker 2: I was gonna interrupt you and be like, don't the
Speaker 2: Mormons believe in the Lamanites before I read the rest
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, I don't know any fight from a Lamanite, Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do each other.
Speaker 5: I think I do know they believe that the ancient
Speaker 5: or the native tribes or remnants of the tribes of Israel.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because here in in uh, New Brunswick,
Speaker 5: I have often heard it's kind of like a whisper
Speaker 5: and a half joke, but they throw it out there.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like, you know, we're one of the
Speaker 5: lost tribes or you know, you know they say we're
Speaker 5: one of the lost tribes of Israel. So it's it's
Speaker 5: not necessarily that they believe it. What it's there's an
Speaker 5: awareness that in the collective somehow, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is a I know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff about the whole morning. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, even the whole thing with
Speaker 1: Joseph Smith being uh, which the church admits on YouTube.
Speaker 1: They even have like a three minute video that they
Speaker 1: do admit he was a Freemason. You know.
Speaker 2: I even had Cal Crusher on the show who got
Speaker 2: married in in a you know, Mormon temple and he
Speaker 2: saw the plane his day. Masonic symbolism as you start
Speaker 2: getting father into the thing where you gotta start shaking
Speaker 2: hands through fucking you know ship and he said literally yeahymbols, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He says it's so wild. He says, if you didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about it, you wouldn't you know. But it's
Speaker 2: like right there in your face, that there's actually a
Speaker 2: legiti Masonic symbolism in your face during your wedding.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well they say that Joseph Smith stole the Masonic
Speaker 5: rituals and made the Mormon. I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 5: a Mormon.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Then the thing is too, it's like what you showed earlier,
Speaker 2: even when you were showing some of the stuff, there
Speaker 2: was a g in.
Speaker 1: Then like well, I mean fucking what.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that to ask you about that picture? Yeah,
Speaker 5: what does it mean? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, yeah, doc, you know, a lot of crossover
Speaker 1: like all over the place.
Speaker 5: Yes, but it's all late.
Speaker 1: You see.
Speaker 5: We have Mick Max and Norse and and Phoenicians and
Speaker 5: they're they're not disconnected.
Speaker 6: And the French always the French, you know.
Speaker 2: Even Crowley I think had high regards for Joseph Smith.
Speaker 2: And then there was a Lamanites and he did talking
Speaker 2: lamb yeas a lot of weird share with that because
Speaker 2: even uh, I think even the guy who scribed for
Speaker 2: Joseph Smith was like Crowderm instead of Crowley.
Speaker 1: It was like like one two letters. Oh yeah, so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And then then even the Metal massacre, there was the
Speaker 2: Mountain Metal Massacre that the Mormons and some Indian tribes
Speaker 2: had that that landed on between September ninth to the eleventh.
Speaker 2: It's like so fucking weird something like these dates and stories,
Speaker 2: Matts Math.
Speaker 5: You know more about the dates since because it's.
Speaker 1: So fucking weird.
Speaker 5: I think it's all connected. That's what I think. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, nobody's got to believe what I believe. What
Speaker 5: I believe, what I'm putting out here is connected. I
Speaker 5: can't necessarily like show all the links, but I'm putting
Speaker 5: the pieces together, and they all there's nodal points that
Speaker 5: they all connect to m seven number seven. Again.
Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, a good point.
Speaker 5: All right. Here we go with the Mormons again, so
Speaker 5: the white.
Speaker 2: You know, when some Mormons do believe quatsa Cootal and
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ are the same thing. Sorry to go off again,
Speaker 2: but there was even a time when we were covering
Speaker 2: somehow when we covered Skinwalker ranch. We all of a
Speaker 2: sudden we realized this is a long time ago when
Speaker 2: I was podcasting with Looks that there was just Mormons.
Speaker 1: All over the scene here with this whole Skinwalker ranch thing.
Speaker 2: They really are you know when it comes to and ship,
Speaker 2: They're fucking all over that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's very weird.
Speaker 6: They pop up everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was looking into it because all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was like, oh, what's how this is
Speaker 2: the moment. So I really started looking into that shit,
Speaker 2: and I even found it was like, you know how
Speaker 2: like you call up like Liberty Travel to like you know,
Speaker 2: like set up a kind of like a vacation for you.
Speaker 2: There was like groups like that that were from Mormons
Speaker 2: to go to Quatzicota, Uh, to go walk that.
Speaker 1: Pyramid in chits Andita. Yeah, there was Mormans that would
Speaker 1: go to that pyramid and go there because of quats
Speaker 1: Cola and Gesus connection.
Speaker 5: They're still linked to We'll take quite quattal today. I know,
Speaker 5: it's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really weird and connected and twisted and.
Speaker 6: The white gods all right.
Speaker 5: So throughout all the Americas endured the claims that the
Speaker 5: Native Americans were visited by white gods bearded, usually influencing
Speaker 5: religions and culture. In the Emerald Tablets of Tho the Atlantean,
Speaker 5: he described sending Atlanta and emissaries all over the world
Speaker 5: to teach humanity and rebuild civilization. So the Mormons have
Speaker 5: a particular affinity for the Mexican serpent god Catsaquatdal who's uh. Actually,
Speaker 5: when Cortes arrived, they thought him the reincarnation of cts
Speaker 5: Aquattle too, because of his his whiteness and his beardness uh.
Speaker 5: And also glues Cap or Sinclair rather, which I'll talk
Speaker 5: about in a bit, was also thought to be there
Speaker 5: the return of the blues Cap. They're often bearded and
Speaker 5: blue eyed tall men. There's Viracocha in the Incan tradition,
Speaker 5: is called the Old Man of the Sky, the ancient One,
Speaker 5: the bearded.
Speaker 6: And white teacher of Creator.
Speaker 5: So pretze Quatto is associated with Venus, the morning star, Lucifer,
Speaker 5: divine feminine uh on merchants and knowledge, and the sun.
Speaker 5: So among the beliefs of the Mormon is that the
Speaker 5: god cats a Quattle was Jesus, like Nick said, quote
Speaker 5: the story of the life of the Mexican divinity Keats
Speaker 5: a Quattle closely resembles that of the Savior, so closely indeed,
Speaker 5: that we can come to no other conclusion that the
Speaker 5: quetz Quattle and Christ are the same being. That's from
Speaker 5: the Church of Latter day Saints Church President.
Speaker 1: Very interesting connections and just.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it turns out maybe the Mormons have the
Speaker 5: truest version of history in America's after all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can go to the next life.
Speaker 5: So here we're getting into the language. And so this
Speaker 5: is what Joseph Smith is said to have used to
Speaker 5: decipher the tablets or the plates. That yellow piece of
Speaker 5: paper there on the top right is uh. It's called
Speaker 5: uh uh Reformed Egyptian. And so if you look at
Speaker 5: the on the left, it shows a reformed Egyptian and
Speaker 5: the mickmac and they're very very similar. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of identical symbols. They call it knee fighte here, but
Speaker 5: it's known as uh. Yeah. There it is so and
Speaker 5: the bottom picture is Joseph Smith scrying in his hat
Speaker 5: with I guess that would be cow cowdry cowgary.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it sounds so much like somebody else.
Speaker 5: Well, I just thought it was really interesting that the
Speaker 5: same letters, it's the same yeah, similarities are.
Speaker 1: You know where the.
Speaker 2: Smith put a lien on the church for like Egyptian
Speaker 2: artifacts at one point too, he was so bigger than
Speaker 2: the artifacts, he put a lien on the own in
Speaker 2: his own church.
Speaker 5: You know what's wild was the mummies too, wasn't wasn't
Speaker 5: he buying mummies and all these papyrus and all all
Speaker 5: about the Egyptian stuff.
Speaker 2: And Oh, you know what's really interesting for people that
Speaker 2: might be hearing us, like talking about the moments like
Speaker 2: the first time we didn't know that we've covered him
Speaker 2: in the past. Something that's like really interesting. That just
Speaker 2: really confirms the whole craziness with all this shit going on.
Speaker 2: There was a guy we had on Justin I don't
Speaker 2: know if you ever saw it. It was a long
Speaker 2: time ago. It was me, Justin and and Lisa had
Speaker 2: We had him on he showed I mean it was.
Speaker 5: Without it with the Rotary Club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how he connected them to the Mormons, Mormon Church
Speaker 2: throughout the Rotary Club.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The crazy thing, yeah, is that I had told him
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, for some reason, there was something
Speaker 2: where I found like the Rotary Club was like kind
Speaker 2: of shady with like my opinion, some of the Smiley Faith.
Speaker 2: He's killings in Austin and something to do with Gilgo.
Speaker 2: It just seems like it's too convenient that they happen
Speaker 2: to pop up and they have boats, you know. So
Speaker 2: somehow I something like with a Morning connection. I thought
Speaker 2: there might have been, and I told him I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: look into the Rotary Club. I have a feeling there's
Speaker 2: something weird that yo. And he was like, dude, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? He was blown away. I guess I was.
Speaker 2: I was on something there, and he ended up coming
Speaker 2: on the show showing how there's a total fucking CIA connection.
Speaker 2: They pulled the church that I got a bankruptcy. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's fucking insane. So I mean there's I mean, something's
Speaker 2: already weird with them to begin with.
Speaker 5: Now they're everywhere throughout history too. Though. The next line,
Speaker 5: all right, and this is on the left. Oh you
Speaker 5: can't really see it. Uh Old World was talking about
Speaker 5: the world the word for heaven, and it's on it
Speaker 5: shows it on one of those.
Speaker 6: Those boxes, but it's too small to see.
Speaker 5: So that's just another sheet from the Mormons showing the
Speaker 5: papyri and the alphabet, and this tablet on the left
Speaker 5: is one of these Michigan stones, Michigan relics, and so
Speaker 5: it depicts. So you see at the top left there's
Speaker 5: it looks like three letters. It's like a kune form.
Speaker 5: It looks like I H and a wonky I. Above
Speaker 5: the actual symbol of the eye, there's three symbols called
Speaker 5: the mystic symbol, and it's said to be a kune
Speaker 5: form version of yodey VAP. So yeah, and these all
Speaker 5: the symbols are. They're a combination of Egyptian and Hebrew
Speaker 5: and Greek even and they have images of biblical scenes
Speaker 5: usually thirty thousand relics. So yeah, you can go to
Speaker 5: the next one. All right.
Speaker 6: So the Micmac language is.
Speaker 5: Illustrated by higher glyphs, petroglyphs, and mnemonic devices. So like
Speaker 5: the turtle shell we talked about earlier, it would be
Speaker 5: one of those. The wampom belts is another one. So
Speaker 5: there's stories woven into the wampom so they when they
Speaker 5: recount the stories or the legends, they use the object
Speaker 5: to tell the story. There are striking similarities between the
Speaker 5: Micmac language and what is known as Reformed Egyptian, which
Speaker 5: is also the language used by the founder of the
Speaker 5: Church of Jesus Christ and Latter day Saints while he
Speaker 5: was translating the Golden Plates and was sent that the
Speaker 5: language he used by the ancient inhabitants he called the Nephites.
Speaker 5: Early settlers and explorers soon began to study and translate
Speaker 5: the language. French, Jesuit missionaries and Catholic priests were interested
Speaker 5: in recording and translating the language, especially prayers. They developed
Speaker 5: a system of symbols to represent the Micmac language, allegedly
Speaker 5: refining and adapting already existing hieroglyphs. The Jesuits wrote many
Speaker 5: journals and records chronicling daily life of Micmac and culture
Speaker 5: through the massive Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents collection, and
Speaker 5: they're largely the source of early post contact. So oh
Speaker 5: there it is, okay. So the one on the left
Speaker 5: is just random symbols. I don't have a translation for it,
Speaker 5: and they're the ancient Egyptian and Micmac simbol. There's the
Speaker 5: for Heaven like Old World was saying. The next one
Speaker 5: is the Loure's prayer in MCMC higher glyphs, and the
Speaker 5: the last image is the cover of what's called the
Speaker 5: Cowder Bible and it's all translated in mcmc higher glyphs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That even has the upside down pentagram in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, see the heaven for them, the ancient Egyptian has,
Speaker 5: like I don't know, a dome or something on top. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: So there's a.
Speaker 1: Some we don't touch on that last one. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Yeah, go ahead, you did.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of curious. Okay, I could get the noise crossover,
Speaker 4: I can get the French crossover. How did they get
Speaker 4: the Egyptian crossover, because that's crossed over.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're here, well, you know, that could even go
Speaker 1: through the Freemason Yeah, because and then I would even
Speaker 1: probably attribute to the French because there was a lot
Speaker 1: of them who came over that like that formed the
Speaker 1: Order of Cincinnatis in the United States. Yes, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Yes, and that's that's associated to France.
Speaker 1: Too, and there were free men, a lot of them
Speaker 1: are Freemasons, the French ending.
Speaker 5: Yeah, huh, that does have a French chapter, if I'm right.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it does.
Speaker 6: Napoleon Napoleon's General, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing that I had thought about looking
Speaker 1: into at one point. Because yeah, like we've covered it
Speaker 1: on the show, I think a few times, but like
Speaker 1: I had stuff one of the times to even go
Speaker 1: into the French part, but I just know it did.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting how there's a just a French
Speaker 1: friendship part of it doesn't seem to really get talked
Speaker 1: about too much.
Speaker 5: Well, don't forget too that if you believe in the
Speaker 5: Holy Blood, Holy Grail lore that Jesus and Mary and
Speaker 5: Mackalene were said to have gone where the south of France.
Speaker 5: So all of this this, for me, it's another link
Speaker 5: because you get all of this secrecy around around something
Speaker 5: and it's it's very sort of divine, feminine.
Speaker 6: We get all this mother symbology.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's curious, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I'm going to get into the templars next.
Speaker 1: Actually, all right, did you go on the next leg?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Actually, I have the wampum belts. I'll just show that
Speaker 5: one real quick, because I don't know if everybody knows
Speaker 5: what that is. So these are our ancient records. Original
Speaker 5: treaties were made on wampum belts too, And so if
Speaker 5: you see on the bottom there that shell, that's what
Speaker 5: they make. That the beads out of and there's a
Speaker 5: really intense purple color that comes from that shell, and
Speaker 5: it's a really hard shell. So there's stories told through these,
Speaker 5: there's genealogy, there's all kinds of information kept on these
Speaker 5: wampum records. So I just thought it'd be fun to
Speaker 5: show examples of those.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty cool. All right, here we go the templates.
Speaker 5: Uh, here we go, all right. Templar is abroad. So
Speaker 5: the original Order of the Knights Templar was formerly known
Speaker 5: as the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple
Speaker 5: of Solomon, and was founded by Hudepoian, the first Grand Master,
Speaker 5: and nine other French knights. They perform major excavations in Jerusalem.
Speaker 5: They made a vow to promise chastity, obedience, and poverty,
Speaker 5: and were known to hold all property in common. Among
Speaker 5: the men who marched into Jerusalem alongside you, Payan was
Speaker 5: Ari Saint Clair, married Henry Saint Clair's niece and was
Speaker 5: given land in Scotland as a dowry. So there we
Speaker 5: see the symbol, of course of the Tamplars, which is
Speaker 5: that red cross. Yeah, so this gets into the Holy Blood,
Speaker 5: Holy Grail mythology, and I know, not everybody kind of
Speaker 5: follows that. But I started when I read, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously the the Dan Brown books, and then I got
Speaker 5: into all the other books, and I'm not it's not
Speaker 5: a no for me because there's a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of evidence that supports that they have.
Speaker 6: They came here for something.
Speaker 1: Oh there's there was. I mean I think at this
Speaker 1: point it might maybe it's not. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like kind of like taken as like historically true that
Speaker 1: there is a there's like buildings, the things that were
Speaker 1: built here before Columbus that has their keystone and their
Speaker 1: fucking ship right on it, like well that snature, the
Speaker 1: signatures are on the stone.
Speaker 6: What is that tower the I have? I have a
Speaker 6: flight of it coming up.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but there's the tower we're talking about. Maybe
Speaker 5: not it's a building.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's a lighthouse, I think, didn't it is it
Speaker 4: supposed to be a lighthouse?
Speaker 3: Of course, I'm not.
Speaker 5: Certain what what it was. I don't have a circular,
Speaker 5: circular building and to build these circle churches, so yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll get into that. I have a slide for that
Speaker 5: coming up to. Yeah, you can go to the next slie.
Speaker 5: So of course this is associated with roseland Chapel, so
Speaker 5: that was made famous by the books such as the
Speaker 5: Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood. Holy Grail. Near Edinburgh
Speaker 5: is the village of Rosslyn where we find Rosslyn Chapel,
Speaker 5: built between fourteen forty.
Speaker 6: And fourteen ninety by William Sinclair. It's a structure rich
Speaker 6: in templar Masonic symbols.
Speaker 5: And said to be a copy of the Temple of Solomon.
Speaker 5: There appear carvings in stone depicting a Masonic initiation, as
Speaker 5: well as the pillars of Boaz and Yaquin, as well
Speaker 5: as ears of Corn, thought to be unknown in Europe
Speaker 5: at the time. The name Sinclair, Saint Clair, Santo Claro
Speaker 5: or Sanctis Clarus means Holy Liked and originated in Normandy, France. Again.
Speaker 5: William Sinclair became the first Earl of Cathnics, Baron of
Speaker 5: Rosslyn and Earl of Orkney. Henry Sinclair, a Scottish Norwegian nobleman,
Speaker 5: was grandfather of William Sinclair and builder of Rosslyn Chapel.
Speaker 6: William was the.
Speaker 5: Earl of Orkney, which is a title given under the
Speaker 5: King of Norway Norse.
Speaker 6: Through his first marriage to.
Speaker 5: A great granddaughter of the King magnus of Sweden and Norway.
Speaker 5: So these are just some of the symbols that are
Speaker 5: found in Rosslyn. So the little sketching on the bottom
Speaker 5: there that shows what is believed to be a Masonic
Speaker 5: initiation with the little buddy there. He's got a blindfold
Speaker 5: on and he's got a rope around his neck and.
Speaker 6: Whatever else is going on there.
Speaker 5: There's some depictions of some knights and yeah. Interesting, have
Speaker 5: you guys ever been there anybody place?
Speaker 1: Just that one picture right there, that detail is like insane.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the symbols in that place. Well, you see
Speaker 5: they have that green man too. There's common finding the columns. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and they found something in one of the columns too,
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 6: And there's the rose windows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a lot of that ship.
Speaker 2: I wonder like if it's to change the frequencies and shipping,
Speaker 2: because I do cover that.
Speaker 5: You just make a video about that?
Speaker 2: Well no, no, Well it's kind of like one of
Speaker 2: the things I have coming up that I think next
Speaker 2: week that drops gets more into like the whole sound
Speaker 2: reverberation and all this, you know, neuro architecture, it's considered
Speaker 2: now it's actual science. How it affects like your neurosystem
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I'm just I'm wondering about it, like
Speaker 2: this place just from the way it's built, which is
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 4: I think after what they I don't know, if you
Speaker 4: heard about what they found out about Stonehenge, that that
Speaker 4: that the vibration there is meant to, for lack of
Speaker 4: a better word, make you somewhat anxious. That's what that's
Speaker 4: the latest reports. So I don't know if they're going
Speaker 4: to revisit these places to see if they are the same,
Speaker 4: if they have the same effects of people, because on people,
Speaker 4: because if you do recall for a good chunk outside
Speaker 4: of the hostility, for a good time there.
Speaker 3: They weren't letting people near the pyramids either.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know people that have gotten to pyramids
Speaker 5: in different locations, not just the Egyptian ones, and had
Speaker 5: weird trippy experiences.
Speaker 6: So the frequency is is different.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it fluctuates or if it's always
Speaker 5: the same or how it's affected, but there is a difference.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I do have a question for someone.
Speaker 9: Mentioned it in the in the chat about a tale,
Speaker 9: which where is it there goes the magic flight, the
Speaker 9: Milwauk story of the Magic Flight they said it.
Speaker 4: It's from sub sub eliminated node. I'm sorry if i
Speaker 4: I'm butchering your name. Uh, it's the Milwaukee story of
Speaker 4: the Magic Flight. Uh, they says indigenous retelling of the
Speaker 4: Lake Flora and Flores myth and ties directly to the
Speaker 4: Grail myth, as told by Sherton de Troy's.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: I'm not familiar with that, but I'm going to look
Speaker 5: into that.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware the other tribes had. Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't know anything about it, but I'm
Speaker 5: happy to learn about it. I'm gonna check that out.
Speaker 1: M hm. The loon coming in? Ah, all right, next
Speaker 1: to you? Still got I'm just I'm I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where we were.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're almost there.
Speaker 5: Home stretch. So the book The Knights Templar in the
Speaker 5: New World by William E. Mann, who is a templar,
Speaker 5: traces the transatlantic voyage of Henry Sinclair to Nova Scotia
Speaker 5: one hundred years before Columbus. He was in possession of
Speaker 5: maps detailing the roots taken by the North Sailors, probably
Speaker 5: through his marriage, and became acquainted with the renowned sailors
Speaker 5: Niccolo and Antonio Zeno, who were Venetian noble nobility, he
Speaker 5: who accompanied him and his thirteen ships to the New World.
Speaker 5: The book Tracy's Connections to Oak Island fabled to hold
Speaker 5: the buried treasure New Ross Nova Scotia, which is named
Speaker 5: after Rossland in Scotland, and the micmac may have thought
Speaker 5: Sinclair to be the return of blues cap Nova Scotia
Speaker 5: means New Scotland. New Ross is located on major lay
Speaker 5: lines in Nova Scotia. And I thought a fun fact
Speaker 5: also was that Scotland was named after Princess Scota, the
Speaker 5: daughter of a pharaoh, Egyptian pharaoh who was reputed to
Speaker 5: have red hair and could be the origins of red
Speaker 5: hair gene in Scotland and Ireland, so Scota. Also there's
Speaker 5: the Pharaoh Islands in Scotland. There they're spelled f A
Speaker 5: R O E, but pronounced the same as the Egyptian pharaoh.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if that means anything, but the
Speaker 5: fun fact. At the bottom there is the overtin stone.
Speaker 5: This is found I think in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, and
Speaker 5: it shows a templar cross and a crisscross feathers and
Speaker 5: a moon, a crescent moon. This is carved on a
Speaker 5: stone and it's thought to have is believed to be
Speaker 5: a covenant perhaps between the Micmac and the Templars. So
Speaker 5: is there a slide after this? Oh? Yeah, Oh so
Speaker 5: here's the more Templars. This is the Westford Night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing that's new.
Speaker 5: That's a Newport tower. Is that the one you were
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, there's some solar.
Speaker 6: Alignment with that as well.
Speaker 5: I think I don't know if it's the solstice or whatever,
Speaker 5: but there's some solar alignment and there's some interesting calculations
Speaker 5: in the tower as well. So that's just a more
Speaker 5: evidence of the Templars in America. I just wanted to talk.
Speaker 6: About the Overtonstone a little bit.
Speaker 5: More tales speak of a covenant or treaty between the
Speaker 5: Macmac and the Templars at this time. The story goes
Speaker 5: that the Templars were looking to hide the Holy Grail,
Speaker 5: the blood of Christ in the New World. The leaders
Speaker 5: in the Holy Blood Holy Grail lore maintain that the
Speaker 5: Templars brought the bloodline of Jesus Christ to the New
Speaker 5: World and married into some mcmac families, a secret oath perhaps,
Speaker 5: or perhaps that's the real hidden treasure they're talking about. Also,
Speaker 5: it might explain why Joseph Smith was interested in the
Speaker 5: micmac and the bloodline. Being a Mason might have given
Speaker 5: him a lead on where to find the blood. I
Speaker 5: don't know how it works, but he had he had
Speaker 5: a direct interest in Micmacott.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 5: So yeah, And I wanted to say about my name.
Speaker 5: So my name is Santa Paz. Okay. Now, traditionally mickmc
Speaker 5: names have we're given by Jesuits and priests. So you
Speaker 5: have you have Peters and Paul and Simon and Augustine.
Speaker 5: But then you have a name like Santapaz, which is
Speaker 5: not uh generated from Christianity, and it's pronounced sunny bus zunnypus,
Speaker 5: So it's a B. It's a B sound, not a P.
Speaker 5: And it's only supposed to be having one S at
Speaker 5: the end, which means it has seven letters. And the
Speaker 5: the legend says that it's an anagram for the first
Speaker 5: letter of the last name of each family.
Speaker 6: That holds the blood of Pregsy. So I don't say
Speaker 6: I believe it or not.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that's one of the.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty gangster story for the last name that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think is that the last one? Oh? Oh,
Speaker 5: the stars Okay, I just showed a bunch of different
Speaker 5: variations of the eight point at star here and the
Speaker 5: I don't know if everyone's familiar with the Satyr square
Speaker 5: or it's also called the Templar square, and that's if
Speaker 5: if you find all the a's and o's and join
Speaker 5: at the center, you get the eight point at star.
Speaker 5: Now the A and the O is also probably the
Speaker 5: alpha and the omega maybe, And if you look at
Speaker 5: the petroglyph eight point at star there at the bottom,
Speaker 5: it kind of reminds me of the Satyr square with
Speaker 5: because it keeps circling back to the center and it
Speaker 5: has seven or sorry eight xes on the outside and
Speaker 5: if you count the s's and t's on the outer box,
Speaker 5: there's also eight boxes. So I just thought there's more
Speaker 5: connections to the Templar and the mcmac star. And also
Speaker 5: the one with the skull is said to be the
Speaker 5: oath skull of the templar, so when you took your oath,
Speaker 5: you put your hand on that skull. And there's also
Speaker 5: the star of each star, so there's there's again the
Speaker 5: eight pointed star is like a ubiquitous symbol across all history. Really,
Speaker 5: you see it across different variations and forms.
Speaker 2: The Sadus square has also been considered sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: they could be uh doesn't mean this is true. Maybe
Speaker 2: it could be a specific type of Christian. But there
Speaker 2: was houses that supposedly were found that we kind of
Speaker 2: have those like on on it somewhere, and they claimed
Speaker 2: that that was also a way of Christians letting other
Speaker 2: Christians know that, you know, I'm a Christian, but it
Speaker 2: was not safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that was like.
Speaker 5: Definitely a Christian symbol around Christian symbology.
Speaker 2: The same time, that supposedly like if you met a
Speaker 2: Christian in the street, I guess somewhere where, like and
Speaker 2: if you had to stick on you you draw like
Speaker 2: one slice one part of the fish and then they
Speaker 2: would draw the other part on the ground to finish
Speaker 2: it off, and.
Speaker 1: That would be a way of you both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were Christians supposedly, so it was like around
Speaker 2: that time where they were supposedly doing things like that
Speaker 2: to let other people know what's up.
Speaker 1: I don't know how true that is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the sad square, like if you really work
Speaker 5: with you can get to like magic squares like.
Speaker 6: The Myers square and Saturn square and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So it's really like it's full of secrets really when
Speaker 5: you think about it. So I just thought it was
Speaker 5: interesting to show it next to the it's it's a
Speaker 5: neighbor and micmac country there. So we can go to
Speaker 5: the next one and that shows more eight point stars
Speaker 5: and squares, but the top one I want to show
Speaker 5: because the first image is a pyramid, and if you
Speaker 5: open the pyramid and flatten it, you get the eight
Speaker 5: pointed star, which is also the third image is a
Speaker 5: photo of a photon, so this is like a microscopic
Speaker 5: image of a photon, which is the same image.
Speaker 6: So it feels like science is confirming.
Speaker 5: Or finding some in hidden in in the microscopic.
Speaker 2: When I was at a cosmic summit twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: it was it was whatever that's cosmic summit. There was
Speaker 2: a guy Bob green Fields something like that, Bob green something,
Speaker 2: and he was he I don't know him himself, but
Speaker 2: he was talking about I know at one point he
Speaker 2: was mentioned I think his father or his grandfather was
Speaker 2: a mason and he had all these relics left over,
Speaker 2: you know, somehow this guy, I guess, got interested in
Speaker 2: it and started showing how like some of their symbolism.
Speaker 2: Literally it was like going back to like weird shit,
Speaker 2: like what you're showing here, I was like actually going
Speaker 2: back to like science, and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: Well, modern science is finding all these images in the
Speaker 5: microscopic that are like the Yin and yang symbol or
Speaker 5: this this templar cross or like things that that I
Speaker 5: don't know, they find their way back somehow because it's
Speaker 5: that wasn't the origin. Obviously, they weren't looking at microscopes
Speaker 5: and seeing these images, and you.
Speaker 1: Know what the thing is there?
Speaker 2: If we I mean, because it's not a known like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think that possibly that the science
Speaker 2: that we have, Like we've gone through this multiple times,
Speaker 2: and if you take that as a possibility, all this
Speaker 2: starts to make sense that it's actually just a culted
Speaker 2: fucking science.
Speaker 1: Sometimes.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, maybe they could go back to I don't
Speaker 10: want to do this, and I know so I know
Speaker 10: one person who's gonna smile when I say this, But
Speaker 10: it could actually support the whole in a Knaki situation, too.
Speaker 3: Hidden in plain sight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would explain a lot of things like
Speaker 2: how well this ship was built that we can't do now,
Speaker 2: it would make sense because they had just back then
Speaker 2: they may a little bit more advanced than we are now.
Speaker 2: And then yeah well yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like, who knows how far advanced
Speaker 2: some people are.
Speaker 1: We just don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's also like, if we think of North America as
Speaker 5: the New World, we think before Columbus arrived, this was
Speaker 5: nothing but like empty space. But there's obviously been civilization
Speaker 5: after civilization time, like since the beginning of time, So
Speaker 5: can we stop pretending that isn't there.
Speaker 2: There's even been a few of the things that I've
Speaker 2: covered on the show, for like their architecture, or if
Speaker 2: it was like some sort of solar or like lunar place.
Speaker 2: There was a few of them where they the whatever
Speaker 2: native tribes that were there that are even known to
Speaker 2: be the earliest ones associated with it.
Speaker 1: They even say it was here already.
Speaker 2: There's one's out there that they don't even say who
Speaker 2: they know who built it because there is no answer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the hope, I think believe that they're in
Speaker 5: the fifth world right now. So every other worlds, including
Speaker 5: the sun associated with that world was destroyed and everything
Speaker 5: is reborn from It's kind of like Planet of the Apes.
Speaker 5: It's just an endless cycle of recycling and time doesn't
Speaker 5: really matter.
Speaker 2: There's even been things that like that to start getting
Speaker 2: into like conspiracy world again.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess we're already there with this stuff.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's even like certain things like with certain buildings, like
Speaker 2: even the Empire State I think it was the Empire
Speaker 2: State building supposedly was constructed in two years. Long story short,
Speaker 2: there's certain things that you see that are supposedly were
Speaker 2: like not known, Like I guess, like all right, put
Speaker 2: it this way. It's like if if we didn't have
Speaker 2: the technology we have now where we know something exists
Speaker 2: somewhere that we haven't been too yet. You understand what
Speaker 2: I'm getting at, Like if I've like if you want
Speaker 2: to go back like one hundred and fifty years, you
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck anything looks like anyway because
Speaker 2: you don't have it. You know, have fucking TV of
Speaker 2: fucking internet.
Speaker 1: You don't got somebody send any videos of what they're
Speaker 1: doing in Nigeria, you know what I'm saying, Like on Instagram.
Speaker 2: So like I do wonder if there was like certain times,
Speaker 2: there was things that might have pre existed. And once
Speaker 2: I guess society started getting like a little bit more
Speaker 2: like connected, you got to start coming up and saying, oh,
Speaker 2: like yeah, we just built this now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, I mean the whole like like as
Speaker 5: they call it, tartaria. But all of those buildings don't
Speaker 5: belong in this in this timeline.
Speaker 6: We can't make any of them.
Speaker 5: We don't remember building any of them. Where does this
Speaker 5: come from? So it's kind of like the Adena Mones
Speaker 5: are from another time. Those buildings are from another time.
Speaker 5: Nothing makes sense in history. We got to figure this
Speaker 5: shit out on our own.
Speaker 1: I think, Yo, if.
Speaker 2: You already even look at someone like the old pictures
Speaker 2: from like New York, you're gonna see like a lot
Speaker 2: of black and Native American people and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: who built those fucking Like if you still go back
Speaker 2: to that and look like you got dudes with like,
Speaker 2: you know, like little rifles. But like if you start
Speaker 2: looking at some of the buildings in the architecture and
Speaker 2: those pictures, you got to start wondering, like.
Speaker 1: They've built that. Yeah, it still doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: I've seen some pictures of that online and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: that is a pretty fucking insane building that those Native Americans,
Speaker 2: supposedly in the New York area are standing against.
Speaker 5: Right now, I think we need to be asking more
Speaker 5: questions about everything, even if we don't get the answers.
Speaker 5: We just got to ask more questions because this ship
Speaker 5: don't make sense when I don't have answers. I just
Speaker 5: asked more questions.
Speaker 1: Off the topic.
Speaker 4: Those questions actually leads to more questions, but they also
Speaker 4: connect a lot of dots exactly, and rounding it back
Speaker 4: up to the memo, is that.
Speaker 5: Sorry, yeah, I have a part of that. There's a
Speaker 5: million ways to pronounce it.
Speaker 4: If you look at their culture, the lineage, they have
Speaker 4: every aspect of culture throughout the entire world and that
Speaker 4: we are aware of right now. I was waiting for
Speaker 4: you to connect them to Australia, to the indigenous people
Speaker 4: in Australia and New Zealand, because.
Speaker 5: I think everything's connected in ways that we just can't
Speaker 5: see it, Like everything seems so far apart through history,
Speaker 5: like so dispirit and distanced, but also we think, oh,
Speaker 5: Europe is so far away across the ocean. We could
Speaker 5: never get there. But really we got to start shrinking things,
Speaker 5: even the timeline. We got to look at it, and
Speaker 5: now we can see everything starts to fit, maybe because
Speaker 5: we're not thinking everything so far apart. So once you
Speaker 5: start shrinking it, you can start connecting the dots maybe
Speaker 5: a little more. That's how I feel about how I
Speaker 5: see the world.
Speaker 4: And if it wasn't for the ginger part of it,
Speaker 4: I can't get over that. That's that's too much of
Speaker 4: a coincidence. No such thing, you ow. It's almost like
Speaker 4: a shared collective consciousness throughout the world at that time,
Speaker 4: which would be real easy if you think about it,
Speaker 4: because there's no interference.
Speaker 3: Like Nick said, the.
Speaker 5: World was less populated too, so the world was smaller,
Speaker 5: more like community more more you're actually talking to people,
Speaker 5: You're meeting people, you're telling stories, doom scrolling and watching tiktoks.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, actually with the internet is easier to have those conversations.
Speaker 3: But what we were believed to be uh the world
Speaker 3: that the Native Americans lived, we believed they lived, and
Speaker 3: for them to have so much the Egyptian part, that's
Speaker 3: what really has blown me away. Them knowing hieroglyphs, the
Speaker 3: connection with the Vikings, the connection with the French to Europeans, and.
Speaker 4: Then you go down several miles later into Louisiana mm hm,
Speaker 4: which I think is a nice little interesting deep dive too,
Speaker 4: because I don't think that tribe was the only tribe
Speaker 4: that accumulated there either.
Speaker 5: That'd be fun to find out too.
Speaker 3: What what was that, Nick.
Speaker 1: Both French influenced there too, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think France has so much more influence over
Speaker 5: the entire history of the world than we give it
Speaker 5: credit for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, yeah, I even think that was like even
Speaker 2: the part of the whole crap going on at the Olympics,
Speaker 2: you know, I do think that's why there was a
Speaker 2: big cerem real type thing going on, because I do
Speaker 2: think France one, yeah, yeah, I think that's why that
Speaker 2: was once, in my opinion, was very occult.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because like, oh yeah, they're making us.
Speaker 5: You know, they have smurfs too, well, they have this guy.
Speaker 11: Like I didn't get that France.
Speaker 6: And Smurfs, we tied it all in.
Speaker 5: Actually, Nick, if you want to hit the button, there's
Speaker 5: one more slide. I think. All right, well, well, we'll
Speaker 5: finish it up with this one. So this is the
Speaker 5: side by side I was telling you about earlier with
Speaker 5: the Templar and the Mickmac where they're just mirrored of
Speaker 5: each other and just some examples of the Maltese flag
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. So that is the end, my friend.
Speaker 3: Though, that is the in for now. There's two to
Speaker 3: look at into this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been fun though. It's been a lot of
Speaker 5: fun putting this together and researching.
Speaker 1: Yeah you Nick, no, thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 2: That was fucking awesome. I had a blessed definitely some
Speaker 2: weird ship in there.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, you don't got to believe everything, but
Speaker 5: you know, if it's fun, it's fun.
Speaker 4: It's not the belief part is you were able to
Speaker 4: connect the dots.
Speaker 3: That's how I see.
Speaker 6: Well, for me, it's all connected.
Speaker 2: Like I was saying at the beginning of in my
Speaker 2: opinion that I do think, you know, cult orders or
Speaker 2: cult minded people have swapped symbolism.
Speaker 6: And the Macmac world was magicians. Also, it's a very
Speaker 6: magical world.
Speaker 1: I think that's all.
Speaker 2: No, I think like all those like the shaman and
Speaker 2: that those people that went underwent like all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I do think that was their own way of them
Speaker 2: having their own magical experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 5: Well, there's also I didn't tell you about it, but
Speaker 5: there's ceremonies that that they're kind of like resurrection ceremonies
Speaker 5: I guess, so yeah, yeah makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean look at like, uh, how some orders will
Speaker 2: make it look like you're getting buried.
Speaker 1: I mean skull and bones. You know, they always talk
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 5: You know, I think I'm not familiar with all Secret society. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I think they all have some death and resurrection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you hear that a lot with like certain yeah,
Speaker 1: tribal initiations. Yeah, a lot of similarities I think for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Don't lean again. That was I
Speaker 1: thought that was banging pleasure, right. That was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a good sight show in a long
Speaker 1: time like that. Yeah, you have a you ever get
Speaker 1: an itch to cover something else? Pa, just let me know.
Speaker 5: Definitely, I've been all right for a while. Don't tell
Speaker 5: me because you never know.
Speaker 1: Uh, was there anything that you wanted to promote?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you don't really have anything right
Speaker 2: unless you want to be you know, I got nothing nobody.
Speaker 3: She just put together future research paper though.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually, you know what I was thinking about doing
Speaker 5: this summer is going to see some of these places.
Speaker 5: I'm right here, right, I'm in the Maritimes, So I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about going to see and revisit some of these
Speaker 5: places with new eyes.
Speaker 1: Nice person to actually go see the police.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the mound especially, I'd like to go see that.
Speaker 1: Make it happen. All right, Judith, you want to let
Speaker 1: everybody know what's up with you.
Speaker 3: Uh, first, this was this was a blast. Thank you,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't have enough rabbit holes to go down,
Speaker 3: but thank you for giving me more. And uh for
Speaker 3: everybody else.
Speaker 4: Uh you can find me at YouTube and on x
Speaker 4: as alone, and you can find me on speaker for
Speaker 4: my podcast.
Speaker 3: And thank you again, No.
Speaker 2: Thank you Judith. That was fun. I had a bless man.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and again Dolane, thank you very much again,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. That was an amazing slide show.
Speaker 1: That was a lot that that was really interesting. Ship.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to like go back to this actually
Speaker 1: and probably like take notes.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I was worried it might be too much
Speaker 5: a lot to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's a perfect show for that, so don't
Speaker 2: worry about it. But and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 2: chat too. Man great questions. If we missed any, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry there was. As you can say, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on. But uh yeah, Judith, thank
Speaker 2: you for helping me with the questions and everything. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah again people, if you ever got them,
Speaker 1: throw them up on this throw them up and we'll
Speaker 1: try to get to them. And uh that's the end
Speaker 1: of another Rejects and until the next one, everybody be
Speaker 1: well later