Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Oh my name is Dan Ray and
Speaker 2: the host of Side Rob Brooks. He's back in the
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Speaker 2: You have four really interesting topics here. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about Boston's best according to the Boston Globes magazine.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about older adults missing doctors appointments,
Speaker 2: maybe because of weather. Then we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the Olympics a little bit. If you haven't gotten enough
Speaker 2: of the Olympics so far, we'll give you a little
Speaker 2: bit more. And also going to talk about the Massachusetts
Speaker 2: Museum of Contemporary Art, which has been around now for
Speaker 2: about twenty five years and big piece in the Boston Globe.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to the Boston Globes Art one of the
Speaker 2: Boston Globes arts writer arts writer Malcolm Gay. But first
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to an editor at the Boston Globe,
Speaker 2: Francis Stores. Francis, welcome to Nightside. How are you think?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So this was in last week. Was it in last
Speaker 2: week's Boston magazine?
Speaker 3: And I saw this too, so two weeks ago in
Speaker 3: the in the Globe magazine inside of the Boston Globe.
Speaker 3: It's still very current today. Let me tell you, people
Speaker 3: are still checking this out.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let let's talk about the procedure here, how
Speaker 2: the best were decided. Then we talk about what what
Speaker 2: are the best of the best? You you basically used
Speaker 2: some of the Globe folks who who who were your experts?
Speaker 3: It's a good absolutely absolutely right. That's why we figured
Speaker 3: this is such a great city at Greater Boston's an
Speaker 3: amazing place. There's so much to choose from, great food,
Speaker 3: great things to do. And we thought, if we have
Speaker 3: trouble finding the best places, what our readers must have
Speaker 3: a challenge too. Can we help them? Can we find
Speaker 3: tap our arts critics, our dining critics, our food writers,
Speaker 3: are you know, our trusted correspondent, business writers, just all
Speaker 3: these people whose job it is to know the best
Speaker 3: of the best, the newest of the new, amazing thing,
Speaker 3: so that we can offer readers great recommendations.
Speaker 2: So we have you have sixteen categories correct even more?
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? In twenty one we ended up
Speaker 3: with twenty one categories split down the middle.
Speaker 2: Some of the categories here wait yeah, yeah, so split
Speaker 2: between things to do and and places to eat, so a.
Speaker 3: Little bit something for everybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so let's let's start it off here.
Speaker 2: Oh you said, you know what, I maybe I missed this, Okay, so, uh,
Speaker 2: maybe this is twenty one I'm looking at I did
Speaker 2: the multiplications are wrong? Here you got you've got four
Speaker 2: columns of five. It is twenty one. No, so okay.
Speaker 2: Lobster rolls, breweries and tap rooms, things to do, coffee shops, burgers,
Speaker 2: rooftop bars, ice cream, pizza, things to do with kids,
Speaker 2: geap eats, seafood, breakfast, bookstores, music clubs, italian restaurants and nightlife,
Speaker 2: movie theaters, sushi, bowllying, games, boutique hotels, comedy clubs.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, two hundred, two hundred winners. Each of those
Speaker 3: lists has five to twenty winners. That's how much we
Speaker 3: have here. That's so much great stuff to offer in
Speaker 3: our local businesses. And so more than two hundred winners
Speaker 3: in this list, which is which is incredible.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's do pizza. I'm sure that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of pizza places in Boston. Who are the top
Speaker 2: ones as far as your experts?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I love pizza too, and so let me see.
Speaker 3: So we have some I think people might guess, and
Speaker 3: then some surprises along the way to so certainly Regina's,
Speaker 3: Certainly it's in Tarpio's and East Boston, Regina's in the
Speaker 3: North End. Those make that list. They've been doing it
Speaker 3: perfectly for more than one hundred years. In some cases,
Speaker 3: I'll say one of my favorite places is Galeria m
Speaker 3: Berto in the North End as well. Have you ever
Speaker 3: been there?
Speaker 2: Not that I recall, but it looks you got a
Speaker 2: great picture there of a big old pizza.
Speaker 3: Isn't it wild? So that place is amazing. If the
Speaker 3: cash only you go in. They make a certain number
Speaker 3: of pizzas on trays every day and they wait in line,
Speaker 3: and they when they sell out, they close. That's it,
Speaker 3: you know, So you gotta you gotta plan ahead a
Speaker 3: little bit. But it is so worth it, so worth
Speaker 3: the weight, so worth the the trip is just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: And then you have you have Obviously we kind of
Speaker 2: hit all twenty one here as much as I would
Speaker 2: love to, but let's hit seafood because when I seafood,
Speaker 2: I eat food.
Speaker 3: I heard you're a big Burger fan too.
Speaker 2: I heard I have a big burger. I have no
Speaker 2: idea where that's inside information. I don't know how you
Speaker 2: got that, for instance, but I have a big Burger fan.
Speaker 3: Your reputation perceived you about your love of burger. So yeah, seafood, absolutely,
Speaker 3: we have so nine we have nine winners in the
Speaker 3: seafood category all across the city. That's one of the
Speaker 3: things that we feel is special about this, which is
Speaker 3: all of these places earned this title, and we spent
Speaker 3: time there, We studied that we you know, we talked
Speaker 3: to people, we did our reporting, you know, so you
Speaker 3: can trust it. But sometimes the face you know you're
Speaker 3: you're the best place is the place that's like near
Speaker 3: where you are that night, right, So we wanted to
Speaker 3: give people a wide range. So also the daily catch
Speaker 3: is extraordinary. If you've ever been a little tiny plates,
Speaker 3: they have bigger locations elsewhere. All these local businesses Legal
Speaker 3: stood Foods. Of course, even though it's been sold to
Speaker 3: a local company from the from the founders, continues to
Speaker 3: be incredible consistent. Bring family there, bring friends there, out
Speaker 3: of town guests there, you have to. You know, sometimes
Speaker 3: we take for granted some of the things I think
Speaker 3: that are that we always know.
Speaker 2: Let me go to burgers. Since you nailed me with
Speaker 2: burgers here, okay, the best burger that I ever consistently had, well,
Speaker 2: of course, mister Bartley's Burger over in Harvard Square, Yes,
Speaker 2: is clearly, clearly that's on the top shelf. But do
Speaker 2: you remember the shame fud Rockers. I loved Burgers.
Speaker 3: I do too, I do too.
Speaker 2: I know, I have no idea how they went out
Speaker 2: of business. They had great fries, great salad, help your
Speaker 2: own self to condiments. It just went the wrong way. Now.
Speaker 2: The one area that I have to agree with you
Speaker 2: one when you talk about best of the best bookstores.
Speaker 2: We all love bookstores, and Brado Bookshopping is still number one.
Speaker 2: I noticed that one right away.
Speaker 3: Isn't that plays incredible? I mean, it's just it's just
Speaker 3: a treasure trove in there, the Bridle Bookshop and then
Speaker 3: of course the booksmith. I mean, we're just we're a
Speaker 3: smart city, right and we are just people love books
Speaker 3: and we are so lucky here Porter Square Books over
Speaker 3: in Cambridge.
Speaker 2: It's just well, Ken Gloss before him, his dad George Gloss.
Speaker 2: But Ken Gloss does such a great job with the
Speaker 2: Bridle Bookshop. And I love the story about Paul Giamatti
Speaker 2: the article. Yeah, I had not heard that one. I
Speaker 2: knew that Brad always had a cameo in the film
Speaker 2: to Holdovers, but I didn't realize that Giamatti went back
Speaker 2: there and did some po.
Speaker 3: After the cameras are off. He loved it so much
Speaker 3: he came back and did some shopping on his own.
Speaker 3: That tells you that the good that the good place,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: And he's not the only Hollywood star who has been
Speaker 2: in there. According to my friend Ken Gloss, he says,
Speaker 2: amazing the people athletes and and actors in musicians who
Speaker 2: come by. I enjoyed this conversation. Francis, And I know
Speaker 2: that the Globe's book list was It was in you know,
Speaker 2: written form. The Globe's Best List was in written form
Speaker 2: a couple of Sundays ago. How can people get to
Speaker 2: the list. There must be a way that people can
Speaker 2: get to the list without having to go back to
Speaker 2: the paperboy and ask for.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: You have Sunday's Globe from two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: They should get in touch with me, but no they should.
Speaker 3: It's really easy get to you go to Globe dot
Speaker 3: com slash that, glow dot com slash best and that
Speaker 3: all our lists are there. If you're not a subscriber,
Speaker 3: I think we have a d a dollar for six
Speaker 3: months so you can see this list and you can
Speaker 3: see all the amazing things that the Globe. That the
Speaker 3: Globe does, but help people check it out. If I'm
Speaker 3: looking for something to do themselves or revisit an old
Speaker 3: favorite or find something new.
Speaker 2: Globe subscribe. But because I'm very happy that Boston is
Speaker 2: a two newspaper town and we have to keep that
Speaker 2: we are compet the Globe doesn't hurt little say hi
Speaker 2: to all my friends, both of them at the Boston Globe.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, I will do they say hi as well.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Francis. Love to have you back. You
Speaker 2: got you've got a great way about you. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate it. Thanks for the thanks for this
Speaker 3: about more.
Speaker 2: Than welcome you welcome. That was fun. I like that. Okay,
Speaker 2: We're going to get maybe a little bit more serious
Speaker 2: when we when we get back, and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about older adults missing doctor's appointments. If you're an
Speaker 2: older adult or if your parent is an old adult,
Speaker 2: you want to listen to this. We will talk about
Speaker 2: this on the night side. My name is Dan Ray.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is interesting. Older adults are missing to their
Speaker 2: doctor's appointments in some cases due to high temperatures. With us,
Speaker 2: as doctor Lakeland Eichenberger, she's a PhD. She's a gerontologist
Speaker 2: and caregiving advocate at home instead. This was a study
Speaker 2: that went on for a number of years with the
Speaker 2: American Journal of Preventative Preventive Medicine. This study went from
Speaker 2: what twenty ten to twenty twenty one or some I mean,
Speaker 2: it was like a decade long study. Give us just
Speaker 2: a sense this, doctor Eigenburger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Dan, this while
Speaker 4: I wasn't part of this research study. It really is
Speaker 4: intriguing to me as a gerontologist because what they found
Speaker 4: was over ninety degree heat, for every degree increase in temperature,
Speaker 4: there was an increase in the odds that an older
Speaker 4: adult might miss a doctor's appointment, a primary care appointment.
Speaker 4: And then they looked also at cold weather. I know
Speaker 4: we're in the heat of summer and probably don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about cold weather, but they found a similar
Speaker 4: effect every degree below thirty nine degrees fahrenheit, So anything
Speaker 4: above ninety degrees or anything below thirty nine degrees, those
Speaker 4: temperatures were going to impact whether or not an older
Speaker 4: adult was going to get out for that primary care appointment.
Speaker 4: And we just know how vital and important primary care
Speaker 4: appointments are for older adults, just to help kind of
Speaker 4: stay on top of all the healthcare and health conditions
Speaker 4: that they're managing.
Speaker 2: With you, with you on all of this. And when
Speaker 2: I read this, which I did today, it was it
Speaker 2: was basically there were over one million appointments studied, over
Speaker 2: ninety thousand patients age eighteen and over in this and
Speaker 2: it was in Philadelphia, I guess, at outpatient clinics in
Speaker 2: Philadelphia from two thousand and nine to twenty and nineteen.
Speaker 2: That was off by the years a little bit. I
Speaker 2: got to be honest with you, it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 2: that colder temperatures or hotter temperatures would have a greater
Speaker 2: impact on older people and they might miss and reschedule
Speaker 2: an appointment. Did they really have to do a study
Speaker 2: to find this out? I guess is what I'm asking,
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be cynical, but sometimes I am.
Speaker 4: Well, and you're right. It didn't surprise me either, because
Speaker 4: you know, as you get older, you are managing more
Speaker 4: chronic conditions, and it can be harder to get out
Speaker 4: and about two appointments, you know, especially if you have
Speaker 4: mobility issues, if you have complex medical needs, or if
Speaker 4: you experiencing any sort of cognitive impairment. It just sometimes
Speaker 4: takes extra efforts. So when it's really really warm out
Speaker 4: or really cold, it's no surprise that older adults aren't
Speaker 4: getting out and about like they would in more of
Speaker 4: those mild temperatures. But I think it's really important if
Speaker 4: you're caring for someone, or if you yourself have an
Speaker 4: underlying health condition, or if you're taking certain medications that
Speaker 4: really impact your body's ability to regulate temperature. Then it
Speaker 4: is important to think of ways that you can make yourself,
Speaker 4: you know, safe when you go out into those extreme
Speaker 4: weather conditions. Perhaps it's scheduling your appointment, you know, earlier
Speaker 4: in the morning, before the heat of the day, or
Speaker 4: if it's in the winter, you know, in the afternoon,
Speaker 4: so that you don't slip and fall on the early
Speaker 4: morning I see sidewalks. So just putting a little more
Speaker 4: thought maybe into when you're scheduling the appointment, making sure
Speaker 4: that you're dressed appropriately, and maybe even having some extra support.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a family member that comes over to help
Speaker 4: you get ready and you know, cool down the car
Speaker 4: or heat up the car depending on the season, and
Speaker 4: make sure that you get there safe and that way
Speaker 4: you still get to that appointment and not miss out
Speaker 4: on the critical care, but you do so in a
Speaker 4: way that is safe.
Speaker 2: Did they do any sort of a follow up on
Speaker 2: that in terms of what percentage of the missed appointments
Speaker 2: were made up within a certain period.
Speaker 4: Of time, You know, I didn't see that that was
Speaker 4: mentioned in the study, But I think what is interesting
Speaker 4: if you think about if you miss a primary care
Speaker 4: appointment and you have some sort of underlying medical condition
Speaker 4: that might trigger a little bit down the road the
Speaker 4: need to go to an emergency room or to an
Speaker 4: urgent care to get treatment. And so again those are
Speaker 4: things that we really want to avoid because those can
Speaker 4: be very costly events. And so that's why I think
Speaker 4: that they did this study is really to show the
Speaker 4: importance of making being conscious about those medical appointments and
Speaker 4: making sure that you get there and keep on top
Speaker 4: of any of the health conditions that you're managing as
Speaker 4: you as you age.
Speaker 2: The other thought that I haven't and again I'm not
Speaker 2: being cynically, I'm just being I'm trying to be conscientious
Speaker 2: and thorough. I'm wondering if as people do get older
Speaker 2: that one advantage they have is wisdom, they pick up
Speaker 2: some wisdom along the way, and certainly difent times, you know,
Speaker 2: they might say, hey, you know, with with temperature extremes
Speaker 2: come oftentimes you know, bad weather, and particularly in the wintertime,
Speaker 2: and I'm just wondering. I guess they didn't factor that
Speaker 2: in from what I could read in the in this analysis,
Speaker 2: but it would just seem to me that there would
Speaker 2: be you know, some people who might say, Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: it's going to snow later, it's going to sleep later today,
Speaker 2: And I just I'm surprised that, frankly, that older patients
Speaker 2: made as many appointments as they did on time. To
Speaker 2: be honestly, and I'm again I'm not being I'm not
Speaker 2: being overly cynical here. You know you you were, you
Speaker 2: were in an amazing field gerontology, because obviously, as all
Speaker 2: of us age, our problems do not diminish. They by
Speaker 2: necessity multiply and sometimes some feed upon, you know, some
Speaker 2: feed upon others. Do you feel that the fact that
Speaker 2: that the American public is aging more now I don't
Speaker 2: get a chance to talk to someone in your area.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the fact that people are living longer,
Speaker 2: that that this is also impacting what what you're concerned about,
Speaker 2: and that is, you know, getting people to doctor's appointments
Speaker 2: one time, which is very important. Is just our increase
Speaker 2: in age of a factor here?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know you're right, we are living longer,
Speaker 4: and as we age, we do have more medical needs. Actually,
Speaker 4: the highest healthcare spending happens in the later part of
Speaker 4: our lives, and so we are seeing more use of
Speaker 4: our medical system. And I was actually reading an interesting
Speaker 4: article today about this shortage of geriatric doctors, of medical
Speaker 4: professionals with geriatric training and background. You know, in medical
Speaker 4: school you have to do around in pediatrics and even
Speaker 4: in labor and delivery, but the time spent studying the
Speaker 4: older population is actually in a lot of medical schools,
Speaker 4: you know. In my opinion, and again I'm a little
Speaker 4: biased as a gerontologist, but it's really not sufficient to
Speaker 4: meet this growing need. But I do think that as
Speaker 4: a healthcare system, we are seeing some innovation happening things telemedicine,
Speaker 4: and especially during the pandemic, we saw that there is
Speaker 4: benefits to using that type of technology to make sure
Speaker 4: that you know, even if they can't get to the doctor,
Speaker 4: you know, telemedicine could be the next best option. And
Speaker 4: for some medical treatment or diagnosis or appointments, telemedicine can
Speaker 4: work great. And then there's some of course that you
Speaker 4: do need to be in person for. So I think
Speaker 4: that we definitely need more people working in this field.
Speaker 4: And there's the number of older adults is growing and
Speaker 4: and so yes, in my industry, it's very interesting. I
Speaker 4: love what I get to do, and uh, in my organization.
Speaker 4: We provide home care and we help people, you know,
Speaker 4: stay at home as long as possible, and we also
Speaker 4: can take them to the use doctor's appointments and make
Speaker 4: sure that they're getting their medical care.
Speaker 2: You know, when you talk about telemedicine, that's something that
Speaker 2: a lot of older people are less comfortable with, ironically
Speaker 2: than younger people. I mean, the fact of the matter
Speaker 2: is that I would assume be of a person over
Speaker 2: the age of eighty is going to benefit much more
Speaker 2: from telemedicine than someone under the age of thirty, ironically,
Speaker 2: because they're just not familiar with with how to work
Speaker 2: the computer. Let's see if someone there has helped her
Speaker 2: or if they're the exception to the rule. The other
Speaker 2: thing too, which I think is very important, least here
Speaker 2: in the Boston area. Many of my friends who are,
Speaker 2: as I say, on the wrong side of fifty complain
Speaker 2: to me that when the doctor retires, how difficult it
Speaker 2: is to find a primary physician in the city of Boston.
Speaker 2: And if you have in trouble finding PCPs in the
Speaker 2: city of Boston, what do you think it's like in Butte,
Speaker 2: Montana or Biloxi, Mississippi. Mean, yeah, so yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you and I could do an hour on this maybe. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: tell me again. How can folks get in touch with
Speaker 2: your company if they're looking for some caregiving assistance?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you can visit our website home instead dot com
Speaker 4: and you can do a zip code search for wherever
Speaker 4: care is needed and we'll get you connected to the
Speaker 4: local office.
Speaker 2: All right, great, thank you very much. I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: the conversation, doctor Eichenberger. I don't know how many your
Speaker 2: talk show hosts who you might talk to, actually try
Speaker 2: to read these reports and figure out what the hell
Speaker 2: they're all about ahead of time. But I'm a little
Speaker 2: quirky that way. Sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh, thanks for having me. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: D write back at you. Thanks so much. When we
Speaker 2: come back right after the news at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the are we're going to talk about the Olympic Games.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of them. They're going on at
Speaker 2: one of the major capitals in Europe. I think it's Paris,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. But we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: someone about some of the fun facts and what people
Speaker 2: are looking for on Google and elsewhere. We'll be back
Speaker 2: on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Now, some of you who don't listen to Nightside every
Speaker 2: night of the week for four or full hours might
Speaker 2: not be aware, might be aware of the Olympics that
Speaker 2: are going on. So we're going to talk with Mollie mcute.
Speaker 2: She's a Google trend expert. Mollie, how do you become
Speaker 2: a Google trend expert? Do you have to go to
Speaker 2: school for that?
Speaker 5: Or no?
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2: You didn't expect that question first out of the box.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'm only having fun with you. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: I guess you just spend enough time at Google looking
Speaker 6: over these trends in search and they promote you up
Speaker 6: to expert. But no, I do a lot of writing
Speaker 6: with the trends team, and so I'm looking at all
Speaker 6: these different staffs all day and it's really fun. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of interesting things that come in. And yeah,
Speaker 6: right now we have been focusing on the Olympics.
Speaker 2: So when I have trouble with my Google account, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be able to call you. Because by the
Speaker 2: end of this this segment, I hope we're going to
Speaker 2: be you know, b BFFs. Okay, Oh we kidding, of course, Oh, kitty,
Speaker 2: tell me what are you learning? Not what you are learning,
Speaker 2: but what we are learning about our country's appetite for
Speaker 2: information trivia or statistics about all of these summer Olympic sports.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's been some really interesting data that's coming in.
Speaker 6: And some of the stuff that I thought was kind
Speaker 6: of fun was just sort of related to like the
Speaker 6: sand fare around the beginning of the Olympics. People were
Speaker 6: super interested in the opening performances, so lean beyond Olympic
Speaker 6: performance that searched specifically increased almost five thousand percent. It
Speaker 6: was like four seven hundred and fifty percent, and people
Speaker 6: were interested in what song she was singing. And we
Speaker 6: also saw people searching for things around Lady Gaga. They
Speaker 6: wanted to know if she was French, which I thought
Speaker 6: was really funny. And then we also saw some people
Speaker 6: looking at I'm not sure if you saw the opening ceremonies,
Speaker 6: but there was so very.
Speaker 2: Talk about the.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, well, people were searching for heavy metal after
Speaker 6: the opening performances as well, which I suppose you know
Speaker 6: something about after having watched that.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that struck me interest that it was interesting.
Speaker 2: I was trying to I worked Monday through Friday, eight
Speaker 2: to midnight. I do this talk show, and so of
Speaker 2: course I'm not watching the Olympics while I'm doing my
Speaker 2: talk show. I'm focusing on doing my.
Speaker 3: Talk Shure and anywhere.
Speaker 2: Make a long story short, I never saw this opening act.
Speaker 2: I read it. I read it about age, I read
Speaker 2: about the response and all of that, but it looked
Speaker 2: to me I couldn't find it yesterday. I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as you are on comparison, sure,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty good for a guy who's in the
Speaker 2: wrong age of fifty, I generally can find what I wanted. Yeah, Sure,
Speaker 2: it looked to me like NBC locked it up and
Speaker 2: put it into Oh my.
Speaker 5: Gosh, Am I right or wrong on that?
Speaker 6: I honestly have absolutely no idea. I was watching it live,
Speaker 6: so I definitely got to, you know. But it was
Speaker 6: just very funny and kind of interesting to see people
Speaker 6: just like so wrapped up in this opening performance. But
Speaker 6: what I really liked is all of the interests in
Speaker 6: Celen Dion, because I just like remember being a kid
Speaker 6: and hearing Celindion in my house all the time. So well,
Speaker 6: I'm with you that I personally have.
Speaker 2: Like my wife and I went to a Celindion concert
Speaker 2: here outside of Boston in what was called Great Woods.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's kind of like an open
Speaker 2: air it's a beautiful summer. It was a summer. Theaters
Speaker 2: is now under a different name. And I remember I
Speaker 2: got tickets to go see Celindian. I was working in
Speaker 2: television at the time. Free tickets. I had no idea
Speaker 2: who sold it, right, this is nine.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She was unbelievable. And I am not a music expert.
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert in much. But I said to.
Speaker 6: My wife career, you were right, you nailed it.
Speaker 2: She was just unbelievable, unbelievable. And of course what she's
Speaker 2: been going through with this frozen body syndrome or whatever
Speaker 2: the hell right dealing with you know, one in a million,
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's just amazing. I couldn't find her
Speaker 2: her song. Also, I think that NBC, when I say
Speaker 2: locked it up, I think that they made it difficult
Speaker 2: for people to find because obviously they o people they
Speaker 2: want to drive pep as the performance is live and
Speaker 2: not listen to night side.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I know, so I obviously have been watching
Speaker 6: a lot of it on Google TV and YouTube. Personally,
Speaker 6: that's probably very obvious. But what I have been doing
Speaker 6: is on YouTube, we have the multiview feature, so you
Speaker 6: can like kind of watch two things at once. That's
Speaker 6: what I've been kind of like.
Speaker 2: One thing at once.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, totally. Well, I was going to say a
Speaker 6: couple other things from over the weekend that people really enjoyed,
Speaker 6: and we're searching for a lot. This one I thought
Speaker 6: was also very fun.
Speaker 2: Is uh.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you're aware, but break dancing is
Speaker 6: a new sport at the Olympics this year, the first
Speaker 6: time ever, and so I'm.
Speaker 2: Aware of that. I think that's kind of a joke.
Speaker 2: I think Jim Thorpe is rolling over in his grave.
Speaker 2: But go ahead.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Well we saw break dancing Olympics twenty
Speaker 6: twenty fourteen USA increased more than four thousand percent over
Speaker 6: the weekend, so it appears to be incredibly popular. That
Speaker 6: is for sure. As far as other kind of like
Speaker 6: over the weekend searches that we saw a lot of gymnastics,
Speaker 6: the vault schedule in particular, that one increased and then
Speaker 6: swimming and soccer were both super popular.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask this. Were there any people
Speaker 2: searching for the Olympic pickleball competitions?
Speaker 6: You know what? I'm certain there were because it seems possible,
Speaker 6: but it didn't. It didn't hit our trends on to
Speaker 6: it didn get that stata there.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a traditionalist on the Olympic sports, and
Speaker 2: I was very upset when they eliminated baseball a few
Speaker 2: years ago. But I guess that bringing it back for Tokyo.
Speaker 2: We talked about that last night. No, but I just
Speaker 2: I mean some of the you know, some of some
Speaker 2: of the I don't think breakdancing is a sport. I'm
Speaker 2: not a breakdancer, nor do I follow you know.
Speaker 6: I'll confess I haven't watched any of the breakdancing, and
Speaker 6: I haven't. I haven't tuned into that yet. I am
Speaker 6: definitely more of a like gymnastics fan. I just feel
Speaker 6: like I it is so burned into my memory, the
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety six gymnastics, and I like will never forget it.
Speaker 6: So that's what I.
Speaker 2: Was. That Mary lou Written's.
Speaker 6: Year, I both know I think that was so that
Speaker 6: was his Lanta and I want to say, I really
Speaker 6: hope if I get fact checked on this, I completely
Speaker 6: deserve it. But I thought that was the year that
Speaker 6: the Carrie drug. I don't know if that's critter name,
Speaker 6: but she hurt herself and then came back and won
Speaker 6: on the vault anyway, and I just like, I think
Speaker 6: I was like nine years old or something. But this year,
Speaker 6: I mean, it will probably not be surprising that Simone
Speaker 6: Biles is just absolutely crushing it in friends like she
Speaker 6: she is the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: Simone has gone gone through a lot with the anxiety. Molly,
Speaker 2: your phone's busting up on me just a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I thank you for spending some time with us
Speaker 2: tonight because I caught I've caught myself up on a
Speaker 2: lot of the Olympic stuff that I've already missed, So
Speaker 2: you know, I can't wait. I'll tell you my favorite
Speaker 2: sport is in the Winter Olympics curling. I've become a
Speaker 2: big fan of curl. Yeah, so I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: fun to mind that who I used to laugh at curling,
Speaker 2: But I've become a big fan of curling. The precision
Speaker 2: and I don't think that breakdancing is ever going to
Speaker 2: drag me away from being a curling fan.
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't think i'd love curling, so like, maybe
Speaker 6: check back in a few years and you'll be a
Speaker 6: huge breakdancing fan.
Speaker 2: You never know, you never know, don't bet on it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Molly Love Love the interview. You're a lot of
Speaker 2: fun in good sport. Thanks Molly thoughts. All right, coming
Speaker 2: up on the other side, going to get a little
Speaker 2: serious talk with Malcolm Gay. He is a Boston Globe
Speaker 2: arts writer and talking about the Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary
Speaker 2: Art out in North Adams. And there's a lot of
Speaker 2: pluses and there's some I guess, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you want to call them minuses, but maybe below expectations.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about this with Malcolm Gay right after the
Speaker 2: break here on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I have not yet ventured out to North Adams
Speaker 2: to visit the Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art, but Malcolm
Speaker 2: Gay from the Boston Globe has and Malcolm is an
Speaker 2: arts writer. Malcolm, how big an art staff is there
Speaker 2: at the Globe. If you are the arts writer, I
Speaker 2: want to be able to say the arts writer as
Speaker 2: opposed to be.
Speaker 5: And I will say we got a lot of several critics.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of art stuff that's got to be covered. I get that.
Speaker 2: I get that. So so what attracted I guess the
Speaker 2: Matthews Museum of Contemporary are a huge building in North
Speaker 2: Adams just turned. I mean the Red Sox could play
Speaker 2: some exhibition games out there. It looks to me like
Speaker 2: the size of it, and it looks to me this
Speaker 2: is the twenty fifth birthday. It was opened up in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. And you raised some really interesting points
Speaker 2: in the article. I read the article. There's some pluses
Speaker 2: and there's some minuses, but they kind of get they
Speaker 2: kind of took a pretty big hit when COVID came,
Speaker 2: and that's no fault of theirs, but they were really
Speaker 2: heavy on ticket sales, right well, how else could have they?
Speaker 2: What other revenue screams streams did they fail to develop?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: So, mas Miolk is interesting because it has something like six,
Speaker 5: well more than sixty million dollars in state funds to
Speaker 5: get the ground and that all came from Joe Thompson,
Speaker 5: who was the founding director and this guy bootstrapped the
Speaker 5: museum into existence. I mean, it's it's really a marvel
Speaker 5: that this is as large as it is and as
Speaker 5: successful as it is, and they basically built it from
Speaker 5: out of nothing in truth, and so that's I mean,
Speaker 5: it's a huge it's a huge achievement for starters. What
Speaker 5: they weren't able to do or have been are continued
Speaker 5: to work to be able to do, are develop other
Speaker 5: revenue streams. So most nonprofits like museums have three main
Speaker 5: areas of revenue. There's the endowment. There's earned revenue, which
Speaker 5: is ticket sales and events and things like that, and
Speaker 5: then there's philanthropic giving. And they were pretty strong on
Speaker 5: film tropic giving, particularly from the board, and they were
Speaker 5: very strong on earned revenue. But their endowment is extremely
Speaker 5: small by most standards. I mean, it's it's a fraction
Speaker 5: of saying what the BSO has or the nearby Clark
Speaker 5: Museum has. Liam's call it. It's not even it couldn't
Speaker 5: even be the tip on ad of meal at Lilliam's College.
Speaker 2: Now correct me if I'm wrong. But late nineties, Jane
Speaker 2: Swift became was the lieutenant governor, became the acting governor,
Speaker 2: before mid Romney swept into town in two thousand and
Speaker 2: four after the Utah Olympics. So was this a project
Speaker 2: that the Jane Swift had an interest in because I
Speaker 2: assume because of the fact that we don't often have
Speaker 2: lieutenant governors and acting governors from North Adams, she must
Speaker 2: have had her fingerprints on this.
Speaker 5: Well, the first, the first governor to really take an
Speaker 5: interest in, the first person to actually write it into
Speaker 5: the budget with Decacus actual way back. Yeah, so he
Speaker 5: was extremely interested in it. It stayed in limbo. People were,
Speaker 5: you know, people various. They were trying to figure out
Speaker 5: the right place for it. They were trying to write
Speaker 5: up other funding, they needed to get other private funding
Speaker 5: to match government dollars. They had all of these various things.
Speaker 5: Various administrations were supportive. Most administrations were supportive until Bill
Speaker 5: Weld came and Bill Weld Joe Thompson told a very
Speaker 5: funny story about Bill Well telling him not to cash
Speaker 5: that check and that he was he was there in
Speaker 5: the middle of a recession and they he was dead
Speaker 5: set on reducing the massmocu's budget. He came out there,
Speaker 5: Joe Thompson drought him out there and David Byrne was
Speaker 5: working on something of the Talking Heads, and who knew,
Speaker 5: but Bill Well was a huge fan of Talking It
Speaker 5: saw this and kind of saw the vision of what
Speaker 5: mass Local could be and move the thing out. It's
Speaker 5: it's kind of an I mean, and the whole the
Speaker 5: whole history of the place. I mean, one reason why
Speaker 5: I mentioned in the in the piece how little people
Speaker 5: are paid there or were paid there. And one thing
Speaker 5: about that place is it just brings a tremendous amount
Speaker 5: of loyalty among the staff. People understand the vision, people
Speaker 5: get behind the vision, and people have a real personal
Speaker 5: relationship to this, to this museum, which is unlike any
Speaker 5: other museum in the state.
Speaker 2: I'd say, what's interesting something from the Grateful Dead? Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe Well would have given him more money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: only joking. Okay, So then, so it didn't hurt that
Speaker 2: James Swift was here. I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: suggest that her absence has hurt. What do they need
Speaker 2: to do now? Tell us what is the what is
Speaker 2: their future? And how can how can they find their future?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, I think so, I mean, one reason, you know,
Speaker 5: it's twenty five year anniversary of the museum and One
Speaker 5: of the things that's extremely interesting about it is that
Speaker 5: this is in twenty twenty one, Christy Edmunds came on
Speaker 5: and she became the second director of math Mocha other
Speaker 5: than Joe, than Joe Thompson. And yeah, so that's it
Speaker 5: really has been kind of Thompson's. His fingerprints are all
Speaker 5: over it. And so there's this you know, changing of
Speaker 5: the guard, but there's also coming out of the pandemic
Speaker 5: realizing just how fragile the economics the place are. And
Speaker 5: what Edmunds is really interested in doing is finally delivering
Speaker 5: on the economic promise that is mass Mocha. And it
Speaker 5: was brought into I think, I say, and the piece.
Speaker 5: They had this twofold promise it would bring world class
Speaker 5: art to the Berkshires and would also lift up the
Speaker 5: city of North Adams. And and it's undeniably delivered on
Speaker 5: the art. I mean, it's got James drell Or Anderson
Speaker 5: and Louis Boutois, I mean, has real heavy hitters in
Speaker 5: the you know, modern contemporary art scene. What has been
Speaker 5: less successful at is you know, lifting up North Adams
Speaker 5: the way that I think the founders had hoped it would.
Speaker 5: And so Christy wants to really double down on that,
Speaker 5: and UH that has to do with you know, all
Speaker 5: sorts of projects, including infrastructure projects that would uh or
Speaker 5: you know, they're they're working on plans that that would
Speaker 5: address say the route to overpast the Veterrick's Memorial Bridge,
Speaker 5: the floodshoots that divert the Houstic River around the around
Speaker 5: the museum. But really I think what they're trying to
Speaker 5: do is integrate the museum into this city of North
Speaker 5: Adams in a more holistic way that you know that
Speaker 5: it can actually downtown in Main Street can actually benefit
Speaker 5: from the one hundred and sixty two hundred thousand people
Speaker 5: that come through town each here because right now they.
Speaker 2: Don't Malcolm here. Here's the thought, and that is that
Speaker 2: you know, for people in eastern Massachusetts to get out there,
Speaker 2: you got to kind of head north by northwest. The
Speaker 2: Baseball Hall of Fame has been very successful in Cooperstown,
Speaker 2: which is even further away than than Mocha the mess
Speaker 2: Music Museum of Contemporary Art. Maybe they need to partnership
Speaker 2: with some of these other museums and come up with
Speaker 2: programs where you get reduced admission if you hit two
Speaker 2: or three of the museums make a kind of a
Speaker 2: weekend road trip out of it. Just a thought, just
Speaker 2: a thought.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's a great idea. I mean there's a ton
Speaker 5: of there's a ton of cultural offerings out there. I
Speaker 5: mean there's the Clark that's right there, there's the Leantown Theater,
Speaker 5: fest Wood. There's a lot to do out there.
Speaker 2: All great, all great ideas. Malcolm. This first time you
Speaker 2: do on the show. I really enjoyed the conversation. We
Speaker 2: hope to have you back so you can keep us
Speaker 2: a little bit more up to date on the art scene.
Speaker 2: And I mean that honestly. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll have you back. Thanks. When we get back, we
Speaker 2: are going to go to our regular conversation. We're going
Speaker 2: to be talking with Bob anton Ellis. He is a
Speaker 2: Republican who is running for the Republican nomination to run
Speaker 2: against Elizabeth Warrent. We'll talk with him. We've talked with
Speaker 2: John Deeton and Ian Kin previously, the other two Republicans
Speaker 2: on the ballot, and we'll talk to Bob anton Ellis
Speaker 2: during the nine o'clock hours. Stay with us, everybody,