Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm Stephen, and this is a.
Speaker 2: Podcast all about the weird and wonderful world of the
Speaker 2: dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and
Speaker 2: join us for the ninth degree.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, We're back again.
Speaker 2: Whoo series seven.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I know we're rattling through. We really are, over two
Speaker 2: thirds of the way through. How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay, ticking along.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Any exciting going on?
Speaker 1: Not particularly No, No, it makes it quite a boring
Speaker 1: section of the podcast. I can't think of a him
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I should make a note. That's what
Speaker 2: to talk about here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think I got anything exciting. No, just work, Yeah,
Speaker 2: same old life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's reveal our hair from the end of series six.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was one of yours.
Speaker 1: It was. It was empty orchestra, you know, Dawns always
Speaker 1: making sure that no one's glass is ever empty. Orchestra
Speaker 1: blaring out sea shanty's and juice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely done. Thanks, So just remind people that might
Speaker 2: be new to joining. We like to try and smuggle
Speaker 2: in a random episode unrelated to the one we're discussing
Speaker 2: in the same vein as Stephen Reese do with their heads.
Speaker 2: So at some point in the episode we will sneak
Speaker 2: in an episode title see if you can spy it.
Speaker 1: Some maybe harder spot than others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quality may vary, but we back this week with
Speaker 2: series seven episode one, Merrily Merrily. Lawrence has arranged a
Speaker 2: reunion with his old university chums, Callum and Darren at
Speaker 2: to a remote lake. It's not quite what they were expecting,
Speaker 2: and Darren has even brought along his new girlfriend. But
Speaker 2: a lot of water has passed under the bridge since
Speaker 2: their college days, of course, and as they strike out
Speaker 2: across the empty lake, the conversation takes them into choppy
Speaker 2: or waters. Someone was enjoying me a little.
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2: Puns there Yeah, great, immediate thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting actually, because when I revisited it for
Speaker 1: the first time the other day, I was you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I'm sorry wasn't blown away by it, but
Speaker 1: I've watched it a couple more times since then, and
Speaker 1: it's grown on me a lot. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: really actually very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think i'd agree. I think I watched it
Speaker 2: the first time earlier on today, since probably since it aired, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, that was all right, And
Speaker 2: then I rewatched it and I was like, yeah, actually
Speaker 2: I quite like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I expect it wouldn't be your normal cup
Speaker 1: of tea in that it's quite a character piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not really a lot of plot hugely to it. No, No,
Speaker 2: there's no you know, giant secret they're trying to hide
Speaker 2: as such. I had forgotten the sort of sort of
Speaker 2: twist at the end. Yes, I remember that the wife
Speaker 2: the thing, what the deal with the wife was, but
Speaker 2: that was Yes, that was all I could all I
Speaker 2: did remember.
Speaker 1: You can say, she's dead heads in the bag, she's
Speaker 1: not a guinea picker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did remember that, but I didn't remember
Speaker 2: what comes after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: That was quite a nice little sort of surprise for
Speaker 2: me in a way.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not typically the kind of episode I
Speaker 2: would normally say, I like, it's still quite funny.
Speaker 1: Yes, lots of humor in it, which is good, and
Speaker 1: it's quite it's quite a different episode for the show
Speaker 1: in general, especially for a series opener.
Speaker 2: It's quite sedate. M it's not high stakes or anything really,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the cast that's come together is just perfect.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, they're great. It's nice to finally
Speaker 2: get Mark in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's the perfect, the perfect for him. It
Speaker 1: really is so satisfying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the whole reunion and concept, and it
Speaker 2: works so well, even though they didn't intend it to
Speaker 2: be him. No, just a happy accident that it worked
Speaker 2: out that way.
Speaker 1: It's a happy accident. Yeah. And it just brings the
Speaker 1: whole extra layer to it that he really shares that
Speaker 1: history with them. Yeah that you you know, sure, people
Speaker 1: can act and that's all very well, but when you've
Speaker 1: got that real history, it's it's got an extra sort
Speaker 1: of depth to it, I think, and especially when you've
Speaker 1: you know, you might have watched them on things like
Speaker 1: The League of Gentlemen like years before that for the
Speaker 1: audience as well, Like it's it's kind of nostalgic, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it must have been nice for them as well.
Speaker 2: And plus it's it's sort of their story in a
Speaker 2: way as well, Like they did all hang out at
Speaker 2: university together, it did go down to the lake near
Speaker 2: the school exactly. Yea, all that kind of stuff. It
Speaker 2: was almost quite autobiographical in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that when they wrote about that stuff,
Speaker 1: they' obviously drawing on their own memories and experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just nice when Mark fit into it
Speaker 2: and it could be even more real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he'd he'd been wanting to be in it
Speaker 1: for ages, hadn't.
Speaker 2: He In schedules I expect. Yeah, he's a busy man.
Speaker 2: He's always doing something.
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah. I really commend his performance in this because
Speaker 1: I always enjoy him and whatever I see him in.
Speaker 1: But I do feel that sometimes often he gives quite
Speaker 1: a hammy performance.
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I felt like in this this is the
Speaker 1: most yeah, like this is the most naturalistic performance I
Speaker 1: think I've seen from him. Yeah, and it was really good.
Speaker 1: And he's very funny as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because he mainly does writing these days,
Speaker 2: Like you kind of forget how good an actor he
Speaker 2: can be. When Yeah, when he really goes for it
Speaker 2: and it's not a silly role or a joke roll.
Speaker 1: And I mean he's very good at the cartoonish.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I like there's a BBC version of Wind in
Speaker 1: the Willows from about two thousand and six that I watched,
Speaker 1: and he plays Rat in that, and he's so perfect
Speaker 1: for that that, you know, that's sort of larger than
Speaker 1: life kind of character.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Matt Lucas was Toad, right, Yeah, but seeing him in
Speaker 1: something really real like this, especially with his two long
Speaker 1: term friends like that. Yeah, it's just it's just very,
Speaker 1: very enjoyable. It is lovely, and the Scottish accent, it's
Speaker 1: just it really adds to that sort of judge you know,
Speaker 1: a bit a bit sarcastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've actually been to the lake as well. They
Speaker 2: would be referencing because it's it's not far from me. Really.
Speaker 1: Where is it?
Speaker 2: The Orra Sculpture Park. It's like a big oh right,
Speaker 2: like a big gardens effectively with sculptures obviously in it, okay,
Speaker 2: and you can just sort of walk around it and
Speaker 2: it's just a nice walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the edge of that is the is the Breton
Speaker 2: Hole where they went to study. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: I assume back in the day it would have been
Speaker 2: the gardens of it. Yeah, but yeah, it's really nice.
Speaker 1: So should we for setting the number nine itself? Is
Speaker 1: this pedalo? This hired peda mobile this week? Yeah? Oh,
Speaker 1: and also this is she should say this is the
Speaker 1: first episode really, that's well, it's all outdoors. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we I mean, even in normal episodes, we very rarely
Speaker 1: get any outdoor scenes.
Speaker 2: Anything more than like an establishing shot or something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't really get any extended scenes outside really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's very different, which.
Speaker 2: Must have been challenging, never mind the water involved.
Speaker 1: So we've got this very run down looking boat higher place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks a bit Scooby Doo.
Speaker 1: And we keep getting this close ups on the sign
Speaker 1: of you know, closed for the season, really sort of
Speaker 1: saying people shouldn't be there. Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did get the vibes that's something bad was
Speaker 2: going to happen Lake. Yeah, more so than it does.
Speaker 2: I felt there was like a malicious intent going on.
Speaker 1: I think they lead you in that direction, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what they're trying to get you to think,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another one of our creepy violin scores, a bit
Speaker 1: like the Stakeout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very eerie, very effective, it is. So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked all about Callum, who is a gynecologist. Yes,
Speaker 1: nice detail, and yeah, that he comes to meet Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Yes, and what was in a very vaguely worded invitation.
Speaker 2: By all accounts, no one really knows what the hell's
Speaker 2: going on in this event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what must he have said, come to the lake,
Speaker 1: we'll go on a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not seen you in twelve years or whatever
Speaker 2: it was, and left it at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or maybe it's just a case of people don't
Speaker 1: read things properly.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe you told them everything and.
Speaker 1: Nobody's reading his round robins?
Speaker 2: Are they bless him? All his emails are going to spam?
Speaker 1: But yeah, you get this sense that he's the kind
Speaker 1: of person who hasn't really moved on since UNI and
Speaker 1: these other people have and he's kind of just stayed stuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's still wearing the scarf and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, everyone's moved on without him, which is sad
Speaker 2: for him. He's just and he's obviously not coping well
Speaker 2: with it. And then when the bad things have started happening,
Speaker 2: all his friends that he thinks are his best friends
Speaker 2: and nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Paul Lawrence. Yeah, it's kind of tragic for him.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for thinking you're going to murder all these people.
Speaker 1: So then we get Darren, Oh, Steve, this this character
Speaker 1: is yes, one of his standbyac very legal gentlemen.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the character from League that's in
Speaker 2: the Blockbusters. Oh yeah, like him grown up a bit.
Speaker 1: How many killings does it got?
Speaker 2: The killings?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I love that sketch. So yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a thing.
Speaker 2: He is a thing that happens, and he's again also
Speaker 2: not read the invitation either, No, and brought along a
Speaker 2: plus one yes, which Lawrence is very much not tappy about.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: No, I don't blame him.
Speaker 2: But then you get the awkward thing of well not
Speaker 2: do I do? Now I'm annoyed about it, but there's
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 1: No, and he doesn't want to be a dick. He
Speaker 1: does end up being a bit of a dick.
Speaker 2: But yeah, passive aggressive, with less of less and less
Speaker 2: of the passive.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly as it goes. They also mention this friend,
Speaker 1: this fourth friend who can't be there, Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: in Germany, which is ken Zy I think Kensy Kens. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that was deliberate as a like reference to
Speaker 1: a red herring. Well, no, as a reference to Jeremy
Speaker 1: Dyson league member.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well people that know it would be I
Speaker 2: think I thought it was like, that's going to be
Speaker 2: the thing that you need to bear in mind. Oh right, okay,
Speaker 2: you know the friend that can't be here. Why can't
Speaker 2: you be here? What's happened? Or where is he? What's
Speaker 2: going on? That was going to be a plot point
Speaker 2: later on. Yeah, but yes, also.
Speaker 1: Works very well for I think it's just a nice
Speaker 1: nod as it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know how much of it was
Speaker 2: tended as a red herring.
Speaker 1: And this, I mean, I know people change as they
Speaker 1: get older and drift and stuff, but they seem like
Speaker 1: such different people to be you really do close friends
Speaker 1: at UNI. Yeah, and they were studying such completely different things. Really,
Speaker 1: I wonder how they how they became friends.
Speaker 2: They'll have just been all in the same hall and
Speaker 2: they've had to be friends. Yeah, but actually none of
Speaker 2: them really liked each other. None of them would ever
Speaker 2: have made each other in real life and stayed friends,
Speaker 2: but they were forced to be friends because of circumstance.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go, I don't know, maybe Callum Lawrence
Speaker 2: might have been friends. Yeah, I can't see why either
Speaker 2: of them were that friends with dark.
Speaker 1: Darren is just so blessing. Yeah, Diane Morgan is just
Speaker 1: a queen, isn't she.
Speaker 2: I can't fault the lady. She is amazing and everything
Speaker 2: she does.
Speaker 1: She is amazing everything she does, and I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: anybody else playing this role. It's like it was made
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: It really was. I mean, I know, I've only really
Speaker 2: seen her a lot of quite similar roles. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: she does it so perfectly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's if you find your niche and it works, then
Speaker 1: with it great. You know. Now, she is a great character,
Speaker 1: you know, especially the contrast between her and someone like Callum,
Speaker 1: who is you know, so sort of high brown, sophisticated,
Speaker 1: and you know, she just comes and looks at the
Speaker 1: scene and she's like, my mom's got a chair at this,
Speaker 1: I tell her.
Speaker 2: At the height of classes meeting Judge Rinda.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, strictly, strictly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not for any of his like and whatever else
Speaker 2: he does. Judge, Yeah, it's all about that is on strictly.
Speaker 1: It's a bit later on, but when you know, when
Speaker 1: she finally finds out that it's not a big party
Speaker 1: and like Judge of Wind is not going to be here,
Speaker 1: and Callum's just like doubt.
Speaker 2: I think he might just surface from the wall in
Speaker 2: his wig and robes. Yeah, so that's our main main
Speaker 2: cast for the episode.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's a funny little group. But then they end up
Speaker 2: in a pedlo for the rest of it, which must
Speaker 2: have been a nightmare for them. Oh god, I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine the logistics of doing that. Are you a pedicionado? Well,
Speaker 2: I had much experience with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been on one once, a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I must have about eight or nine. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: on holiday in France with my parents.
Speaker 2: They have pedalers in France, their parents. I just think
Speaker 2: of them as such a British thing. I struggle to
Speaker 2: imagine them existing outside of Britain. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: They just seem so naff and tacky and British.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: The only place I can imagine them otherwise is along
Speaker 2: like the Costa del Soul or somewhere by the rosen
Speaker 2: Cram Pub next to the beach. I've been on a
Speaker 2: few times because we used to go to Scarborough stuff
Speaker 2: with my grandparents a lot, and they had them there
Speaker 2: in the little little parks and things. They're just so
Speaker 2: damn slow and you're just peddling and peddling, pedaling like
Speaker 2: they just wanted to hurry up and waiting for someone
Speaker 2: to like how you can pedal for before you feel
Speaker 2: like you can get someone else to swap with you,
Speaker 2: before it feels earned that they might jump in. It's
Speaker 2: just going and going and going, and it's like every
Speaker 2: little revolution gets you half an.
Speaker 1: Inch and yeah, takes forever.
Speaker 2: They used to have an equivalent app the theme park.
Speaker 2: It was it was bikes on a rail, so it
Speaker 2: was the same concept on a rail right above above
Speaker 2: this like courtyard, but that meant that the rail was
Speaker 2: a fixed track, so once you set off you had
Speaker 2: to complete it. Oh wow to be able to get
Speaker 2: back off, because it was like ten foot up, so
Speaker 2: you were just there pedaling and pedaled and pedaling for
Speaker 2: it felt like two hours. They seemed like a great
Speaker 2: idea until you get on them.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So yeah, strange all setting for the episode
Speaker 1: little craft really is.
Speaker 2: But a bus would be weird, but a pedler is fine.
Speaker 1: But it's I mean in all seriousness, like you know,
Speaker 1: not to get too wankyory, but like it is. It's
Speaker 1: a great like metaphor for the whole thing of like
Speaker 1: just drifting on this lake, like's not known where you're
Speaker 1: going in life and just sort of drifting to a stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting caught in the weeds and stuff exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with only two people in control of where you're going. Yes,
Speaker 2: I want to stretch it further.
Speaker 1: I love that whole thing where she's desperate to have
Speaker 1: a go at peddling. Yeah, and then she has a
Speaker 1: go and it's like, oh, this is our work, isn't it.
Speaker 1: She just puts the feet up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing where you can get away with
Speaker 2: pretending that you're peddling. The person doesn't. Note always find
Speaker 2: it weird when they don't have a giant's one head
Speaker 2: on them. The ones that are just boats are weird
Speaker 2: to me. Okay, you should have head or a dragon.
Speaker 2: We had some dragon ones at Scarborough as well. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the difference was they were green. Half
Speaker 2: of my notes are just funny lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the thing of Oh, Callum's going on
Speaker 1: about his lovely daughters that turn out to be dogs.
Speaker 1: That's so so relatable. But dog dad of.
Speaker 2: Course one's called Liza. Yes, I don't imagine million Lisa,
Speaker 2: Donna and Darren met at Five Guys. Of course they
Speaker 2: did borning. My favorite line of us and Callum have
Speaker 2: you been in Five Guys? At least.
Speaker 1: Delivered perfectly, perfectly classic joke.
Speaker 2: Classic for a reason.
Speaker 1: There So Darren was a supply pee teacher.
Speaker 2: Doing spot science, Yeah, learning about Lucas.
Speaker 1: Aid Lucas Aiden test tubes.
Speaker 2: No offense to anyone sitting spots science, of course.
Speaker 1: Not you know what sport lovers we are?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah see our sister podcast.
Speaker 3: Sports Team, And yeah I love that bit about you know,
Speaker 3: kids can be cruel and I was just like I was, bitch, Yeah,
Speaker 3: calm down a lot.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: She's an interesting character, like sometimes she's really brash and
Speaker 2: rough and everything, but sometimes she quite nice and exactly
Speaker 2: quite eloquent at points.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's a lot more of a three dimensional character
Speaker 1: than Darren. M Yeah, well not that Darren, isn't he
Speaker 1: does have his moments.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think on the whole she's quite a
Speaker 2: nice person.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah she is. Yeah, and I can totally believe
Speaker 1: what she says, Like I could picture her at school
Speaker 1: being an absolute bitch, yeah, and then having matured a
Speaker 1: bit and just chilled, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she's a bit rough around the edges, but
Speaker 2: she's uh, yeah person.
Speaker 1: She's authentic, she's herself. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not putting on any front exactly front. And
Speaker 2: I think Callum sort of seems to warm to her
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, and quite like so by the end
Speaker 2: of it, I think.
Speaker 1: Yes, we missed that great line about actually the cold
Speaker 1: water will help if you have vaginal irritation. His name's Darren.
Speaker 1: I feel like she ingratiates herself to them more with
Speaker 1: that joke as well, Like yeah, yeah, it's almost like
Speaker 1: she's an honorary one of the lads.
Speaker 2: She's put him down. Yeah, because she must be bricking
Speaker 2: it as well, because she didn't know any of these people.
Speaker 2: Well half the boat she doesn't know.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: I must feel like quite an outsider. Mm hmmm. The
Speaker 2: fact that she thinks there's some giant yacht or somewhere Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that around the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what makes me die is just
Speaker 1: every time she says something about, you know, will they
Speaker 1: be changing rooms on the yacht and then yah, Callum's
Speaker 1: face when he just looks around at Darren, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what he gets the popcorn out.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. Interesting. But here as well about
Speaker 1: how Darren has had a change of direction in life
Speaker 1: and he is attempting to become a children's all. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he says he is a children's author. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: not to put too fine upon it, but yeah, can
Speaker 1: you call yourself an author unless you've had something published?
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least like submitted to a publisher like Yeah.
Speaker 2: At this point, it seems to be a vague idea of.
Speaker 1: A vague idea of a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's written on the back of a nap Kim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and bless him, Like obviously it means a lot
Speaker 1: to him, as we find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean Donna's read it twice and she's cried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be good. It must be damn good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Although the second time I watched it, I put the
Speaker 2: subtitles on in case I missed anything. I thought he
Speaker 2: kept saying that there was a bull as in a
Speaker 2: male cow on the on the page. Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what it was. But I very much read.
Speaker 1: Here it you thought he's saying ball, Yeah.
Speaker 2: What is a bull and a boy doing? Like, surely
Speaker 2: this kid's going to get gord, like, yeah, where's this
Speaker 2: book going?
Speaker 1: Okay? No, I never I never thought.
Speaker 2: That ball makes much more sense.
Speaker 1: More sense, yes, but yeah, now okay. On the one hand,
Speaker 1: I know that Callum comes across a bit of a
Speaker 1: dick in this scene, but I can relate to him
Speaker 1: so much because we're all thinking it. We're all, well,
Speaker 1: this is baby's first words. It's not an author's book.
Speaker 2: There are literally hundreds of this book.
Speaker 1: It's not going to make you the next JK ruling.
Speaker 2: Elbow deep in fannies all day. Yeah, my gay doctor
Speaker 2: friend is also well worked for a while in obs
Speaker 2: and coiny and things, and he's just like, yep, so
Speaker 2: loads of funnies today. O lovely good for you, Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I fully agree with where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he is. He does come across a bit rude,
Speaker 1: but it's also that thing of sometimes when you have
Speaker 1: that relationship with someone and it's like it becomes second
Speaker 1: nature to just kind of belittle them a bit, like
Speaker 1: people have that relationship and actually you don't take a
Speaker 1: step back and think, actually, it's not very nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do it fair so well with those
Speaker 2: The voice in the back of my head's going, he's
Speaker 2: telling the truth. He's not just saying it as a
Speaker 2: joke too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, poor Darren.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Darren, but it isn't an original idea.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's just that's just his version of the
Speaker 1: story that they're all in, which is that they're all
Speaker 1: kind of stuck in their lives and unsatisfied.
Speaker 2: At least he's trying something else.
Speaker 1: He's trying, Yeah, and donnad's being supportive and.
Speaker 2: They probably work quite well together.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, they do. Actually, we also just remember talking
Speaker 1: about books. We missed that out great line about psychotherapy
Speaker 1: and oh I saw that was stabbed in the shower.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they've made a book of it.
Speaker 2: Terrible joke. So good.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that Kunk is coming back? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: someone told me very exciting.
Speaker 2: Oh what was it something on music or something was it?
Speaker 1: Or cinema?
Speaker 2: Cinema? That was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's exciting.
Speaker 2: That should be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a little while.
Speaker 2: The experts will be shaking in the boots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of kunk. All right, kunk. What happens?
Speaker 1: So plot development, we get a bit of plot. Now
Speaker 1: the pedler gets tangled up in some weeds.
Speaker 2: Oh no, what we're going to do? No one seems
Speaker 2: all that fussed, really, No, I think I think people
Speaker 2: should be a little bit more concerned than that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because they've got no signal.
Speaker 2: They're in the middle of the lake that's freezing in winter.
Speaker 1: This is the thing, Like, there's a reason why that
Speaker 1: sign is there and why you're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: going on the lake at this time. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: he you know, he knows the person who runs it,
Speaker 1: and they've let him have it or whatever. But it's
Speaker 1: it's dangerous, you know.
Speaker 2: Really irresponsible. Yeah. I don't know what though, because they
Speaker 2: sit there for a long time before anyone does anything.
Speaker 2: M are you just I know, I know they mentioned
Speaker 2: Lawrence mentions having seen someone and they might get help,
Speaker 2: but for all you know that person that was the
Speaker 2: last time they were there, and they wanted to all
Speaker 2: they've gone and then it's getting dark, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to sleep here. Like hm, I'd have at
Speaker 2: least been trying to climb over the what do you
Speaker 2: call not the bonnet of the pedalow but whatever, the
Speaker 2: front bit of the pedlo is and try to see
Speaker 2: whether I could reach under and yeah, yeah, dislodge it.
Speaker 2: But now they all seem very happy to accept the
Speaker 2: fate and die on this lake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Yeah, that's a good suggestion, trying to
Speaker 1: get your hand under him, try and sort it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of open water.
Speaker 2: All that nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of unsettling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a big argument ensues. Turns out there is
Speaker 1: no party. No, she's missing Jemmas n night for this an.
Speaker 2: Old stripper helicopter in she's losing out on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel your pain.
Speaker 2: It's nice that her. She she's more interested in Jude
Speaker 2: Rinda than the than the strippers, so she's got some
Speaker 2: small amount of class.
Speaker 1: If you want to spin it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okayrinda rates slightly higher than strippers for her, so
Speaker 2: I suppose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I struggle to choose whether my favorite
Speaker 1: character is is Donna or Callum they're both so good,
Speaker 1: and you know that that that awkward pause after after
Speaker 1: the argument and callams just like so, I think that's
Speaker 1: everyone fallen out with everyone else. Reunion one of one.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to murder each other. Tick. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 2: wait through this again in twelve years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good part. And yeah, so so
Speaker 1: glad they got Mark.
Speaker 2: He really takes it and runs with it.
Speaker 1: So they're completely stuck, can't do anything, and it's getting dark.
Speaker 2: And it's winter and it's cold, and Donald's already seated
Speaker 2: that she's freezing it. It's off right from the beginning,
Speaker 2: as she says.
Speaker 1: So they have that awkward bit where they start singing
Speaker 1: row your.
Speaker 2: Boat, just to get the episode title in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Lawrence stops them, and I'm glad he
Speaker 1: does because it was a bit cringey.
Speaker 2: You've got to sing before when you know you're about
Speaker 2: to die.
Speaker 1: I suppose. Yeah, And so we find out a little
Speaker 1: bit more about Lawrence's situation being stuck. You know that
Speaker 1: he'd stayed in the area after UNI, and then he
Speaker 1: says he continued teaching athletes. So I didn't find that
Speaker 1: very realistic that he said he got a PGC, and
Speaker 1: then he was suddenly a UNI lecturer. I think you'd
Speaker 1: need like a PhD or something to do that.
Speaker 2: But I assume so, yeah, maybe they couldn't find someone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we really need some once to teach this class.
Speaker 2: You'll do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the idea being that he just he's not
Speaker 1: not moved on at all.
Speaker 2: Just teaching the class that he's already learned, still got
Speaker 2: his notes.
Speaker 1: I feel that there's a few references in this episode
Speaker 1: to previous episodes, and the first one that I've got
Speaker 1: here is the Game of Thrones, Yes, ruined the ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, funnily enough, I'm not sure if you're aware
Speaker 2: Mark Gatters was in.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's it's nice the little shot on his
Speaker 1: face of he can't really say anything, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Although he was in it, I think in the early
Speaker 2: years I remember.
Speaker 1: Rightly, So, yeah, so the ending wasn't his fault.
Speaker 2: It wasn't only wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1: In any way. And when they say about ruining the ending,
Speaker 1: Lawrence says, well, I'm not going to do that, which
Speaker 1: is a little bit foreboding.
Speaker 2: Ye. Also, we missed the line earlier of I think
Speaker 2: it's Callum says you haven't lured me here under false pretenses,
Speaker 2: have you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another hint to is Laurence going to
Speaker 2: go on a murdipery mm hmmm. I fully expected, did you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I did, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just expect Teresa's character to be a bit
Speaker 2: unhinged in some way. Yeah, and that the bag was
Speaker 2: gonna have a bomb in it or oh yeah, something.
Speaker 1: So he reveals at this point Matt his wife body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he kept saying that she was going to be with them. Yes,
Speaker 1: it turns out she is with them because her she's
Speaker 1: dead and her ashes are in the bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, said was what they call technically true.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is the one year anniversary of her
Speaker 1: death as well, So that's very sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not doing well.
Speaker 1: No, And they ask him, so you wanted us to
Speaker 1: be here to scatter her ashes and he says sort
Speaker 1: of yeah, and then immediately dives.
Speaker 2: In mm hm out of the blue, go into the blue.
Speaker 1: Into the murky gray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've already seeded that you'll die if you
Speaker 2: do that. Well, yeah, but what can they do? You
Speaker 2: can't really stop him, No, you can't jump in after
Speaker 2: him no, watch him swim off. And then they all
Speaker 2: start to get a bit come to their senses and
Speaker 2: realize what's going on. Like now they've not been the
Speaker 2: best people. Lawrence has been trying to reach out, especially
Speaker 2: to Callum, and Callum be ignoring him. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: it actually gets properly dark by this point.
Speaker 1: This was the moment where you know, we were saying
Speaker 1: the depth that Donna has. She's you know, she's quite
Speaker 1: profound in her own way. When you know, they're talking
Speaker 1: about dealing with ship and she's like, his wife's died.
Speaker 1: You can't just scoop that up in a little blue
Speaker 1: bag and hang out for a tree which is in it,
Speaker 1: she decides to say a funny way of putting it,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's quite a good point, and that.
Speaker 2: She's quite happy with her life like they've they're all
Speaker 2: saying all the sad stuff that's happened to them, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm quite happy. I've got my nice little
Speaker 2: job and got friends and she's quite content her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is lovely but all you can really.
Speaker 1: Hope for exactly. And yeah, the other the other reference
Speaker 1: of shitting in a painting, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I don't remember, but I feel like there
Speaker 2: must be some sort of reference, something that happened to
Speaker 2: them to have brought it up twice. Yeah, this must
Speaker 2: be a real story that happened to someone.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Presumably it wasn't them specifically.
Speaker 1: But yes, I hope not.
Speaker 2: I imagining one of them found it in somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they heard from someone else. I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that this is an episode with a lot to
Speaker 1: say about, you know, the paths that we take, and
Speaker 1: how whatever path you take, it's easy to feel like
Speaker 1: the grass is greener on the other side.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we've all we've all got regrets of like could
Speaker 1: have done this, should have done that, Yeah it's too
Speaker 1: late now, sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And even did you get to the top of very
Speaker 2: top of your field doesn't mean that you're going to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: With it exactly, which is lovely and depressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get more to Darren's story, so he reveals
Speaker 2: that he's dyslexic, with the great line of if life
Speaker 2: gives you malons, you're probably dyslexic.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why he's why he's so keen on
Speaker 2: writing this book to help other people that might be
Speaker 2: like him. Yeah, because he's probably struggled at school, which
Speaker 2: is quite sweet, even if it still as a non
Speaker 2: original idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thought that counts. I love how that
Speaker 1: they temper the serious stuff with comedy still, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Donnas sort of anti climax of I've got to think
Speaker 1: of something bad that's happened to me now. Actually wrote
Speaker 1: down the word bathos, and then I thought it was
Speaker 1: a bit wonky to say that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what that word means.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like humorous anti climax, undercutting something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember it from school.
Speaker 2: No one asked knew that word. So Lawrence, Lawrence has survived.
Speaker 2: He is on this island, his little torch going.
Speaker 1: He has a little shrine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do we reckon he's built this then? Or is
Speaker 2: this maybe a place they used to come to a
Speaker 2: lot and they've built it before or possibly because was
Speaker 2: all this stuff in his little bag?
Speaker 1: Was it all in his bag?
Speaker 2: Seems like quite a lot of stuff. I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: the fireworks must have already been there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because a lot of fireworks go.
Speaker 2: On, quite a lot of fireworks and they're not exactly
Speaker 2: small and they've had a long the like big tubular
Speaker 2: things to be rockety ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he must have had a lot of preparation. He
Speaker 1: must have done to this before the actual episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which makes me wonder what actually is in
Speaker 2: the bag then, what he needed that he hadn't already
Speaker 2: brought but hmm, Yeah, he's got this little shrine set up,
Speaker 2: and we get the presumption that this is where him
Speaker 2: and Bonnie got where he proposed to Bonnie originally, not
Speaker 2: the Caribbean, this island. Yeah. And he gets really sad
Speaker 2: that he's missing her a lot and the anniversary and
Speaker 2: he's not known how to say goodbye properly. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: wants to send her off with a.
Speaker 1: Bang and notably he's shivering obviously, Yes, and.
Speaker 2: Again with the serious to funny of So this is
Speaker 2: the point where they discover there's a box from Ashes
Speaker 2: to Flashes in his stuff, which is the most it's
Speaker 2: so depressing.
Speaker 1: Do you think I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think the concept is okay. I think the
Speaker 2: concept is quite nice in a way.
Speaker 1: You just think that, okay, yes, you can understand that
Speaker 1: really sad.
Speaker 2: No, I do think it's almost a nice idea in
Speaker 2: a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we get to see this memorial far work display,
Speaker 1: which is a really lovely moment. It's sweet and where
Speaker 1: Donna's really like, you know, she says, oh, I'm going
Speaker 1: to cry, and she's just really genuine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're really sweet how they hug each other,
Speaker 2: and she's just like we do genuinely seem like a
Speaker 2: nice little couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very sad episode.
Speaker 2: We didn't really get any better from.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, because I mean the next thing is Lawrence
Speaker 1: just lying down next to the shrine, lying down to die.
Speaker 1: I do, well, maybe we'll save that for the end,
Speaker 1: but I have questions over what his intentions were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he lies down, and then Callum and Darren
Speaker 1: start to fight over whether it's a good idea to
Speaker 1: go swim over to him or not.
Speaker 2: Especially Callum's going to know that this isn't he won't
Speaker 2: be in a good fit state, like you know what
Speaker 2: hypothermia will be doing to him. So yeah, but what
Speaker 2: what what realistically are they going to do.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, isn't it.
Speaker 2: They're just going to be in not anymore in the
Speaker 2: same boat.
Speaker 1: Like nice one planned but nice all the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so they you know, they're they're standing up on
Speaker 1: the boat and fighting and you know, all this drama,
Speaker 1: and then we cut to black Ye possibly did they
Speaker 1: fall in, didn't they? We don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: No, and then it's next day and somehow Lawrence is in.
Speaker 1: A boat, Yeah, little boat, a little.
Speaker 2: Boat, and he's quite confused. What's going on? Where are
Speaker 2: his friends? He just gets told they're on the other side.
Speaker 1: Well, he's he's been rowed by this mysterious fisherman that
Speaker 1: he saw yessly with his hood ob scaring his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. I did not remember any of this
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking when when the fireworks went off, and
Speaker 2: we've not seen the guy that was wandering around again,
Speaker 2: and I was like, we're just going to forget about him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what was his point? What was the pot?
Speaker 1: Was he?
Speaker 2: Here? Is he? I remember thinking, is he setting off
Speaker 2: the fireworks? Like because they seem to be coming from
Speaker 2: further away from Lawrence than they should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bit weird, very elaborated.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he was just hired to set off the fireworks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally forgot about everything else.
Speaker 1: So this this I'll continue to call him the fisherman.
Speaker 1: He says, the friends are fine, they're on the other side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he says that he's been watching Lawrence for some
Speaker 1: time sometime. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lawrence kind of just goes along with it, Yes, and
Speaker 2: eventually might get to a little dock and get off
Speaker 2: the boat. Yeah, at which point the fisherman wants holds
Speaker 2: out a hand for payment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've written in my notes. Lawrence coughs up, literally.
Speaker 2: And he starts to realize at this point Lawrence maybe
Speaker 2: hasn't made it. Maybe Lawrence, maybe Lawrence has died, bless him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at this point we realize the fisherman is Karen,
Speaker 2: the ferryman of the dead, cross the river sticks and
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, you say, we realize it relies on the audience
Speaker 1: now in their Greek mythology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's like the thing of
Speaker 2: you would put a penny in the dead's mouth to
Speaker 2: pay for passage in the afterlife and all this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing is that even if you don't
Speaker 1: know the depths and ins and outs of it, like,
Speaker 1: it's still fairly obvious.
Speaker 2: I think something weird's going on. If he's coughing up
Speaker 2: a giant penny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, also, especially the way that they present
Speaker 1: him as this hooded figure like it's also crossing into
Speaker 1: the grim reaper kind of thing as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the weird voice.
Speaker 1: So it's all the imagery, is there.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've all got this, you know, concept of
Speaker 1: a sort of final journey to the afterlife sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I did expect, I don't know, the
Speaker 2: jetty to be a little bit more elaborate, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he seems quite a piece at this point. M
Speaker 2: Lawrence has kind of figured figured out what's going on,
Speaker 2: and then he hears his name being called, yeah by
Speaker 2: what we have to as se is Bonnie.
Speaker 1: Yes, they hold on that final shot of him like
Speaker 1: he's about to sort of say Bonnie, Like they hold
Speaker 1: on it for like a long time. It looks like
Speaker 1: twice he tries to speak but can't quite say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a nice moment.
Speaker 2: And obviously the fact that that fisherman's saying they're on
Speaker 2: the other side implies, since we now know Lawrence has died,
Speaker 2: that the rest must have survived. Well, yeah, they're on
Speaker 2: the other side. Is still alive.
Speaker 1: That's that's one interpretation. Oh, I was. I was a
Speaker 1: bit confused because it could mean Matt or it could
Speaker 1: also mean, you know, because he's still in transit at
Speaker 1: that point when he asked that question, they have already gone,
Speaker 1: are they on the other side, So they may already
Speaker 1: be So I think you can interpret it either way, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's interesting how he looks back at the pedolo
Speaker 1: and the Pedlo's still there in the place that it was,
Speaker 1: but they've gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I took it as like we've crossed
Speaker 2: over and that this is like the shadow version of
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: There's no people there, like, yeah, just the inanimate objects.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess if Callum and Darren Forton fell in, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't get couldn't get to land, they would struggle
Speaker 2: get hypothermia quicker because they'd be constantly in water. They
Speaker 2: might they'd have died, yeah quickly. Dono Matter tried to
Speaker 2: save them and something else badly happened to her, Yeah,
Speaker 2: whereas Lawrence just slowly slipped away over the few hours.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's kind of there's kind of two ways
Speaker 1: of looking at that. I'm not, yeah, because he does
Speaker 1: say don't worry about them, because again that could mean
Speaker 1: don't worry about them, they're still alive, or it could
Speaker 1: mean don't worry about them, they're at peace, their souls
Speaker 1: are okay, sort of thing.
Speaker 2: You'll see him in twenty minutes. Yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So that was one of my questions, was what
Speaker 1: happened to the others. But my other question was was
Speaker 1: it always Lawrence's plan to die or was it a
Speaker 1: case of, you know, he found himself in that situation
Speaker 1: and it was what it was sort of thing. I
Speaker 1: think the latter, Yeah, I think the latter.
Speaker 2: I think the original would have been. He'd have rode
Speaker 2: up to the island. They have all got off, he'd
Speaker 2: have lit the fireworks and they've all stood together and
Speaker 2: watched them. Yes, but they got tangled up and he
Speaker 2: thought fuck it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Once he was once he made
Speaker 1: that decision to dive in, I think he knew he
Speaker 1: was going.
Speaker 2: To die, or at least he didn't care anymore exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't If he makes it out, fine, if he doesn't,
Speaker 2: he doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: As long as he could do that. What he'd set
Speaker 1: out to do with the fireworks and the memorial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the important bit, didn't matter what happened to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I took from the the Fisherman saying,
Speaker 2: been watching you for some time? Yeah, maybe maybe Lawrence
Speaker 2: has been suicidal.
Speaker 1: Yeah for a while. Yes. The other potential thing is
Speaker 1: just to throw a complete curve ball out there, like,
Speaker 1: maybe none of this happened. Maybe this is all some
Speaker 1: sort of afterlife sort of dream. Maybe Lawrence dies and
Speaker 1: then in his imagination he gets he gets his friends
Speaker 1: back together, maybe and they sort of you know.
Speaker 2: He's not seen them for twelve years. He wants to, yeah,
Speaker 2: reconnect or whatever.
Speaker 1: And Donna just comes along for the right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know how she fits in. But it's also
Speaker 2: quite sad to think that Lawrence had kids, Like these
Speaker 2: kids have lost both their parents within a year. Shows
Speaker 2: that Lawrence isn't really thinking properly. No, it's really really
Speaker 2: hit him. Obviously it would, but you've got the kids,
Speaker 2: you'd think you just you just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it's a very depressing episode for what.
Speaker 2: Is the most of it quite a funny episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that just again sums up the show. Doesn't it?
Speaker 2: Why do we do this to ourselves? It's an i'd
Speaker 2: want to pick as an opening episode.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's very different, especially considering how depressing it is. I
Speaker 2: don't know which one of the series had a put first, but.
Speaker 1: I guess at this point, you know they've got their
Speaker 1: dedicated true Yeah, yeah, do something a bit different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a far cry from like Zanzibar and Wuthering Heist,
Speaker 1: like as a season opener.
Speaker 2: So we're ranking, yes, please, Oh you want me to
Speaker 2: go first? Okay, I really like it, but it's not
Speaker 2: one of my favorites by any stretch. I like it
Speaker 2: for what it tries to do, but I think I
Speaker 2: think I'm going to go with six.
Speaker 1: Okay, mine is a seven. Yeah, I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I think the cast really elevates it, and so many
Speaker 1: things like that just came together to make this so
Speaker 1: good so good as well. So yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: rate it at seven.
Speaker 2: If it hadn't been Mark, I don't think it would
Speaker 2: have worked as well by any stretch. Obviously, Dian Morgan's great,
Speaker 2: but if specifically Mark Katis, yeah, yeah, good one. This
Speaker 2: being a good series, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because is this where you say you've only seen them once, probably,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, so that'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: From memory, I remember most of them being good.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, nice big question.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the hair right?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so tentative now because I'm got so excited
Speaker 1: previously when I thought I'd spotted it and it turned
Speaker 1: out I hadn't, go on, be brave, I did. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I spotted it. Yeah, it's to the left of
Speaker 1: the shrine. It is, Thank God for that.
Speaker 2: I don't know why the hell it's in the shrine,
Speaker 2: but yes it is.
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess it's some special thing that she loved
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When he pulled out the picture of her, I was thinking,
Speaker 2: it's going to be in the photo. It's got to be.
Speaker 1: I was looking. I was looking at the picture of
Speaker 1: the dogs, thinking, O, is it somewhere behind the dogs
Speaker 1: or something. No, it was to the left of the shrine,
Speaker 1: and I saw it and I thought that's definitely I
Speaker 1: paused it and I was like, that is it? Isn't it?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's definitely it because.
Speaker 2: You can just see the ears in a silhouette for
Speaker 2: a while and then you do see it properly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, thank God for that.
Speaker 2: The listener, did you spot a hair? It will be
Speaker 2: somewhere hiding in the episode. We will tell you next
Speaker 2: week where it was.
Speaker 1: We will. It's that time of the podcast. It's message corner.
Speaker 1: A couple of little comments this week. First one comes
Speaker 1: from Holly on TikTok. The time of recording our series
Speaker 1: six has just started going out, and Holly commented and said,
Speaker 1: my Tuesdays are so much better now. As soon as
Speaker 1: I'm awake, I do a happy dance knowing what I
Speaker 1: get to listen to as I get ready for work. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's so sweet, lovely Holly, Thank you, Holly. And then
Speaker 1: similarly for our coming back for series six, from Alex,
Speaker 1: who commented on Spotify and said, great to have you back.
Speaker 1: I got the hair this time. That last one was devious.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look back to see what that was now.
Speaker 2: To haven't told, I'm guessing I was quite proud of
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: Yes, you did do very well in that one.
Speaker 2: Took a few takes.
Speaker 1: And yet Alex continues and says, because this is our
Speaker 1: wathering hist episode, he says the problem with this show
Speaker 1: is that episodes can be tarnished by what comes before
Speaker 1: and after it, especially if one binge them like I did.
Speaker 1: Like Yant, I felt this episode was a bit meh,
Speaker 1: but after a rewatch, I fell in love. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: and so much fun and this is the best pit,
Speaker 1: he goes. I'd happily write more, but Spotify only allows
Speaker 1: me five hundred characters to comment with very sat.
Speaker 2: I hope that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant. I like your work, Alex, Yes, well done.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for that. I hope you are excited
Speaker 1: to cover the rest of series seven.
Speaker 2: It should be good. Next week's a really good one
Speaker 2: as well from memory.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so we're back next week with mister King indeed.
Speaker 1: But until then, I think it's time to close the
Speaker 1: door on number nine.
Speaker 2: You never really leave, do you.
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