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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Stephen, and this is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast all about the weird and wonderful world of the

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<v Speaker 2>dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 1>a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and

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<v Speaker 2>join us for the ninth degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, Hello, We're back again.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo series seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're rattling through. We really are, over two

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<v Speaker 2>thirds of the way through. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm okay, ticking along.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Any exciting going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Not particularly No, No, it makes it quite a boring

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<v Speaker 1>section of the podcast. I can't think of a him

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, I should make a note. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I got anything exciting. No, just work, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>same old life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's reveal our hair from the end of series six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was one of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was empty orchestra, you know, Dawns always

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that no one's glass is ever empty. Orchestra

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<v Speaker 1>blaring out sea shanty's and juice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nicely done. Thanks, So just remind people that might

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<v Speaker 2>be new to joining. We like to try and smuggle

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<v Speaker 2>in a random episode unrelated to the one we're discussing

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<v Speaker 2>in the same vein as Stephen Reese do with their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>So at some point in the episode we will sneak

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<v Speaker 2>in an episode title see if you can spy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some maybe harder spot than others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, quality may vary, but we back this week with

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<v Speaker 2>series seven episode one, Merrily Merrily. Lawrence has arranged a

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<v Speaker 2>reunion with his old university chums, Callum and Darren at

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<v Speaker 2>to a remote lake. It's not quite what they were expecting,

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<v Speaker 2>and Darren has even brought along his new girlfriend. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of water has passed under the bridge since

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<v Speaker 2>their college days, of course, and as they strike out

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<v Speaker 2>across the empty lake, the conversation takes them into choppy

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<v Speaker 2>or waters. Someone was enjoying me a little.

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<v Speaker 1>There, Yeah, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Puns there Yeah, great, immediate thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's interesting actually, because when I revisited it for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time the other day, I was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I'm sorry wasn't blown away by it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched it a couple more times since then, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's grown on me a lot. I think it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really actually very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think i'd agree. I think I watched it

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<v Speaker 2>the first time earlier on today, since probably since it aired, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, okay, that was all right, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I rewatched it and I was like, yeah, actually

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<v Speaker 2>I quite like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I expect it wouldn't be your normal cup

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<v Speaker 1>of tea in that it's quite a character piece.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's not really a lot of plot hugely to it. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no you know, giant secret they're trying to hide

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<v Speaker 2>as such. I had forgotten the sort of sort of

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<v Speaker 2>twist at the end. Yes, I remember that the wife

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, what the deal with the wife was, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was Yes, that was all I could all I

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<v Speaker 2>did remember.

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<v Speaker 1>You can say, she's dead heads in the bag, she's

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<v Speaker 1>not a guinea picker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I did remember that, but I didn't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what comes after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That was quite a nice little sort of surprise for

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<v Speaker 2>me in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's not typically the kind of episode I

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<v Speaker 2>would normally say, I like, it's still quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, lots of humor in it, which is good, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite it's quite a different episode for the show

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<v Speaker 1>in general, especially for a series opener.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite sedate. M it's not high stakes or anything really,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the cast that's come together is just perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh yeah, yeah, they're great. It's nice to finally

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<v Speaker 2>get Mark in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's the perfect, the perfect for him. It

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<v Speaker 1>really is so satisfying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the whole reunion and concept, and it

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<v Speaker 2>works so well, even though they didn't intend it to

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<v Speaker 2>be him. No, just a happy accident that it worked

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<v Speaker 2>out that way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a happy accident. Yeah. And it just brings the

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<v Speaker 1>whole extra layer to it that he really shares that

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<v Speaker 1>history with them. Yeah that you you know, sure, people

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<v Speaker 1>can act and that's all very well, but when you've

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<v Speaker 1>got that real history, it's it's got an extra sort

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<v Speaker 1>of depth to it, I think, and especially when you've

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you might have watched them on things like

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<v Speaker 1>The League of Gentlemen like years before that for the

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<v Speaker 1>audience as well, Like it's it's kind of nostalgic, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it must have been nice for them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And plus it's it's sort of their story in a

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<v Speaker 2>way as well, Like they did all hang out at

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<v Speaker 2>university together, it did go down to the lake near

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<v Speaker 2>the school exactly. Yea, all that kind of stuff. It

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<v Speaker 2>was almost quite autobiographical in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean that when they wrote about that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>they' obviously drawing on their own memories and experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's just nice when Mark fit into it

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<v Speaker 2>and it could be even more real. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd he'd been wanting to be in it

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<v Speaker 1>for ages, hadn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He In schedules I expect. Yeah, he's a busy man.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Yeah. I really commend his performance in this because

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<v Speaker 1>I always enjoy him and whatever I see him in.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel that sometimes often he gives quite

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<v Speaker 1>a hammy performance.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I felt like in this this is the

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<v Speaker 1>most yeah, like this is the most naturalistic performance I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've seen from him. Yeah, and it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's very funny as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, because he mainly does writing these days,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you kind of forget how good an actor he

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<v Speaker 2>can be. When Yeah, when he really goes for it

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not a silly role or a joke roll.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean he's very good at the cartoonish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I like there's a BBC version of Wind in

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<v Speaker 1>the Willows from about two thousand and six that I watched,

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<v Speaker 1>and he plays Rat in that, and he's so perfect

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<v Speaker 1>for that that, you know, that's sort of larger than

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<v Speaker 1>life kind of character.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lucas was Toad, right, Yeah, but seeing him in

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<v Speaker 1>something really real like this, especially with his two long

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<v Speaker 1>term friends like that. Yeah, it's just it's just very,

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<v Speaker 1>very enjoyable. It is lovely, and the Scottish accent, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it really adds to that sort of judge you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit a bit sarcastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've actually been to the lake as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>would be referencing because it's it's not far from me. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is it?

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<v Speaker 2>The Orra Sculpture Park. It's like a big oh right,

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<v Speaker 2>like a big gardens effectively with sculptures obviously in it, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can just sort of walk around it and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a nice walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On the edge of that is the is the Breton

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<v Speaker 2>Hole where they went to study. Yeah, it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>I assume back in the day it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>the gardens of it. Yeah, but yeah, it's really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So should we for setting the number nine itself? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this pedalo? This hired peda mobile this week? Yeah? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and also this is she should say this is the

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<v Speaker 1>first episode really, that's well, it's all outdoors. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we I mean, even in normal episodes, we very rarely

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<v Speaker 1>get any outdoor scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything more than like an establishing shot or something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really get any extended scenes outside really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's very different, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Must have been challenging, never mind the water involved.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got this very run down looking boat higher place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks a bit Scooby Doo.

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<v Speaker 1>And we keep getting this close ups on the sign

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, closed for the season, really sort of

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<v Speaker 1>saying people shouldn't be there. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did get the vibes that's something bad was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen Lake. Yeah, more so than it does.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt there was like a malicious intent going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they lead you in that direction, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's what they're trying to get you to think,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, another one of our creepy violin scores, a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like the Stakeout.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very eerie, very effective, it is. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talked all about Callum, who is a gynecologist. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>nice detail, and yeah, that he comes to meet Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and what was in a very vaguely worded invitation.

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<v Speaker 2>By all accounts, no one really knows what the hell's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in this event.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what must he have said, come to the lake,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go on a boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not seen you in twelve years or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was, and left it at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Or maybe it's just a case of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>read things properly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe maybe you told them everything and.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's reading his round robins?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they bless him? All his emails are going to spam?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you get this sense that he's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person who hasn't really moved on since UNI and

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<v Speaker 1>these other people have and he's kind of just stayed stuck. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's still wearing the scarf and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, everyone's moved on without him, which is sad

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<v Speaker 2>for him. He's just and he's obviously not coping well

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And then when the bad things have started happening,

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<v Speaker 2>all his friends that he thinks are his best friends

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<v Speaker 2>and nowhere to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, Paul Lawrence. Yeah, it's kind of tragic for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry for thinking you're going to murder all these people.

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<v Speaker 1>So then we get Darren, Oh, Steve, this this character

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<v Speaker 1>is yes, one of his standbyac very legal gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's the character from League that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the Blockbusters. Oh yeah, like him grown up a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>How many killings does it got?

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<v Speaker 2>The killings?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I love that sketch. So yeah, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a thing that happens, and he's again also

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<v Speaker 2>not read the invitation either, No, and brought along a

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<v Speaker 2>plus one yes, which Lawrence is very much not tappy about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't blame him.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, passive aggressive, with less of less and less

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly as it goes. They also mention this friend,

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<v Speaker 1>this fourth friend who can't be there, Yeah, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that was deliberate as a like reference to

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<v Speaker 1>a red herring. Well, no, as a reference to Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>you be here? What's happened? Or where is he? What's

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<v Speaker 2>going on? That was going to be a plot point

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<v Speaker 2>later on. Yeah, but yes, also.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know how much of it was

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<v Speaker 1>And this, I mean, I know people change as they

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<v Speaker 1>at UNI. Yeah, and they were studying such completely different things. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how they how they became friends.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll have just been all in the same hall and

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<v Speaker 2>they've had to be friends. Yeah, but actually none of

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<v Speaker 2>them really liked each other. None of them would ever

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<v Speaker 2>have made each other in real life and stayed friends,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were forced to be friends because of circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>might have been friends. Yeah, I can't see why either

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<v Speaker 2>of them were that friends with dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Darren is just so blessing. Yeah, Diane Morgan is just

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<v Speaker 2>I can't fault the lady. She is amazing and everything

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<v Speaker 2>she does.

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<v Speaker 1>She is amazing everything she does, and I cannot imagine

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else playing this role. It's like it was made

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<v Speaker 2>It really was. I mean, I know, I've only really

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<v Speaker 2>she does it so perfectly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>with it great. You know. Now, she is a great character,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, especially the contrast between her and someone like Callum,

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<v Speaker 1>who is you know, so sort of high brown, sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, she just comes and looks at the

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<v Speaker 1>scene and she's like, my mom's got a chair at this,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell her.

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<v Speaker 2>At the height of classes meeting Judge Rinda.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, strictly, strictly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not for any of his like and whatever else

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<v Speaker 2>he does. Judge, Yeah, it's all about that is on strictly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit later on, but when you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>she finally finds out that it's not a big party

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<v Speaker 1>and like Judge of Wind is not going to be here,

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<v Speaker 1>and Callum's just like doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he might just surface from the wall in

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<v Speaker 2>his wig and robes. Yeah, so that's our main main

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<v Speaker 2>cast for the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a funny little group. But then they end up

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<v Speaker 2>in a pedlo for the rest of it, which must

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<v Speaker 2>have been a nightmare for them. Oh god, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even imagine the logistics of doing that. Are you a pedicionado? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I had much experience with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been on one once, a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I must have about eight or nine. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>on holiday in France with my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>They have pedalers in France, their parents. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>of them as such a British thing. I struggle to

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<v Speaker 2>imagine them existing outside of Britain. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>They just seem so naff and tacky and British.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>The only place I can imagine them otherwise is along

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<v Speaker 2>like the Costa del Soul or somewhere by the rosen

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<v Speaker 2>Cram Pub next to the beach. I've been on a

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<v Speaker 2>few times because we used to go to Scarborough stuff

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<v Speaker 2>with my grandparents a lot, and they had them there

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<v Speaker 2>in the little little parks and things. They're just so

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<v Speaker 2>damn slow and you're just peddling and peddling, pedaling like

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<v Speaker 2>they just wanted to hurry up and waiting for someone

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<v Speaker 2>to like how you can pedal for before you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you can get someone else to swap with you,

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<v Speaker 2>before it feels earned that they might jump in. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just going and going and going, and it's like every

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<v Speaker 2>little revolution gets you half an.

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<v Speaker 1>Inch and yeah, takes forever.

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<v Speaker 2>They used to have an equivalent app the theme park.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was bikes on a rail, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was the same concept on a rail right above above

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<v Speaker 2>this like courtyard, but that meant that the rail was

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<v Speaker 2>a fixed track, so once you set off you had

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<v Speaker 2>to complete it. Oh wow to be able to get

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<v Speaker 2>back off, because it was like ten foot up, so

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<v Speaker 2>you were just there pedaling and pedaled and pedaling for

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like two hours. They seemed like a great

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<v Speaker 2>idea until you get on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. So yeah, strange all setting for the episode

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<v Speaker 1>little craft really is.

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<v Speaker 2>But a bus would be weird, but a pedler is fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's I mean in all seriousness, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not to get too wankyory, but like it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great like metaphor for the whole thing of like

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<v Speaker 1>just drifting on this lake, like's not known where you're

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<v Speaker 1>going in life and just sort of drifting to a stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, getting caught in the weeds and stuff exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with only two people in control of where you're going. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to stretch it further.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that whole thing where she's desperate to have

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<v Speaker 1>a go at peddling. Yeah, and then she has a

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<v Speaker 1>go and it's like, oh, this is our work, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>She just puts the feet up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing where you can get away with

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<v Speaker 2>pretending that you're peddling. The person doesn't. Note always find

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<v Speaker 2>it weird when they don't have a giant's one head

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<v Speaker 2>on them. The ones that are just boats are weird

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Okay, you should have head or a dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some dragon ones at Scarborough as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the difference was they were green. Half

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<v Speaker 2>of my notes are just funny lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I like the thing of Oh, Callum's going on

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<v Speaker 1>about his lovely daughters that turn out to be dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so so relatable. But dog dad of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course one's called Liza. Yes, I don't imagine million Lisa,

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<v Speaker 2>Donna and Darren met at Five Guys. Of course they

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<v Speaker 2>did borning. My favorite line of us and Callum have

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<v Speaker 2>you been in Five Guys? At least.

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<v Speaker 1>Delivered perfectly, perfectly classic joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>There So Darren was a supply pee teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing spot science, Yeah, learning about Lucas.

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<v Speaker 1>Aid Lucas Aiden test tubes.

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<v Speaker 2>No offense to anyone sitting spots science, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Not you know what sport lovers we are?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah see our sister podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Sports Team, And yeah I love that bit about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kids can be cruel and I was just like I was, bitch, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>calm down a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an interesting character, like sometimes she's really brash and

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<v Speaker 2>rough and everything, but sometimes she quite nice and exactly

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<v Speaker 2>quite eloquent at points.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she's a lot more of a three dimensional character

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<v Speaker 1>than Darren. M Yeah, well not that Darren, isn't he

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<v Speaker 1>does have his moments.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think on the whole she's quite a

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<v Speaker 2>nice person.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah she is. Yeah, and I can totally believe

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<v Speaker 1>what she says, Like I could picture her at school

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<v Speaker 1>being an absolute bitch, yeah, and then having matured a

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<v Speaker 1>bit and just chilled, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, she's a bit rough around the edges, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's uh, yeah person.

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<v Speaker 1>She's authentic, she's herself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's not putting on any front exactly front. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Callum sort of seems to warm to her

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Yeah, and quite like so by the end

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<v Speaker 2>of it, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we missed that great line about actually the cold

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<v Speaker 1>water will help if you have vaginal irritation. His name's Darren.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she ingratiates herself to them more with

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<v Speaker 1>that joke as well, Like yeah, yeah, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>she's an honorary one of the lads.

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<v Speaker 2>She's put him down. Yeah, because she must be bricking

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<v Speaker 2>it as well, because she didn't know any of these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well half the boat she doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>I must feel like quite an outsider. Mm hmmm. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she thinks there's some giant yacht or somewhere Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you know what makes me die is just

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<v Speaker 1>every time she says something about, you know, will they

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<v Speaker 1>be changing rooms on the yacht and then yah, Callum's

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<v Speaker 1>face when he just looks around at Darren, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see what he gets the popcorn out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's so good. Interesting. But here as well about

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<v Speaker 1>how Darren has had a change of direction in life

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<v Speaker 1>and he is attempting to become a children's all. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he says he is a children's author. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not to put too fine upon it, but yeah, can

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<v Speaker 1>you call yourself an author unless you've had something published?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or at least like submitted to a publisher like Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, it seems to be a vague idea of.

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<v Speaker 1>A vague idea of a story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he's written on the back of a nap Kim.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and bless him, Like obviously it means a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to him, as we find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean Donna's read it twice and she's cried.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it must be good. It must be damn good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the second time I watched it, I put the

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<v Speaker 2>subtitles on in case I missed anything. I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>kept saying that there was a bull as in a

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<v Speaker 2>male cow on the on the page. Yeah, well yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it was. But I very much read.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it you thought he's saying ball, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What is a bull and a boy doing? Like, surely

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<v Speaker 2>this kid's going to get gord, like, yeah, where's this

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<v Speaker 2>book going?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? No, I never I never thought.

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<v Speaker 2>That ball makes much more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>More sense, yes, but yeah, now okay. On the one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that Callum comes across a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>dick in this scene, but I can relate to him

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<v Speaker 1>so much because we're all thinking it. We're all, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is baby's first words. It's not an author's book.

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<v Speaker 2>There are literally hundreds of this book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to make you the next JK ruling.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Elbow deep in fannies all day. Yeah, my gay doctor

430
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.640
<v Speaker 2>friend is also well worked for a while in obs

431
00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and coiny and things, and he's just like, yep, so

432
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.880
<v Speaker 2>loads of funnies today. O lovely good for you, Dan.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I fully agree with where he's coming from.

434
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he is. He does come across a bit rude,

435
00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's also that thing of sometimes when you have

436
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<v Speaker 1>that relationship with someone and it's like it becomes second

437
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.119
<v Speaker 1>nature to just kind of belittle them a bit, like

438
00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.599
<v Speaker 1>people have that relationship and actually you don't take a

439
00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.119
<v Speaker 1>step back and think, actually, it's not very nice.

440
00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I do it fair so well with those

441
00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:26.119
<v Speaker 2>The voice in the back of my head's going, he's

442
00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:27.680
<v Speaker 2>telling the truth. He's not just saying it as a

443
00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.440
<v Speaker 2>joke too much.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, poor Darren.

445
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Darren, but it isn't an original idea.

446
00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he's just that's just his version of the

447
00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:42.559
<v Speaker 1>story that they're all in, which is that they're all

448
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuck in their lives and unsatisfied.

449
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.039
<v Speaker 2>At least he's trying something else.

450
00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:53.039
<v Speaker 1>He's trying, Yeah, and donnad's being supportive and.

451
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.359
<v Speaker 2>They probably work quite well together.

452
00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, they do. Actually, we also just remember talking

453
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<v Speaker 1>about books. We missed that out great line about psychotherapy

454
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and oh I saw that was stabbed in the shower.

455
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know they've made a book of it.

456
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Terrible joke. So good.

457
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen that Kunk is coming back? Yes, yes,

458
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.240
<v Speaker 1>someone told me very exciting.

459
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh what was it something on music or something was it?

460
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Or cinema?

461
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Cinema? That was it?

462
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's exciting.

463
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>That should be good.

464
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been a little while.

465
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.920
<v Speaker 2>The experts will be shaking in the boots.

466
00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little bit of kunk. All right, kunk. What happens?

467
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:43.160
<v Speaker 1>So plot development, we get a bit of plot. Now

468
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the pedler gets tangled up in some weeds.

469
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, what we're going to do? No one seems

470
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.559
<v Speaker 2>all that fussed, really, No, I think I think people

471
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>should be a little bit more concerned than that.

472
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, because they've got no signal.

473
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<v Speaker 2>They're in the middle of the lake that's freezing in winter.

474
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 1>This is the thing, Like, there's a reason why that

475
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>sign is there and why you're not supposed to be

476
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>going on the lake at this time. Yeah, I know

477
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.079
<v Speaker 1>he you know, he knows the person who runs it,

478
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and they've let him have it or whatever. But it's

479
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 1>it's dangerous, you know.

480
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Really irresponsible. Yeah. I don't know what though, because they

481
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.640
<v Speaker 2>sit there for a long time before anyone does anything.

482
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 2>M are you just I know, I know they mentioned

483
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence mentions having seen someone and they might get help,

484
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>but for all you know that person that was the

485
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.160
<v Speaker 2>last time they were there, and they wanted to all

486
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 2>they've gone and then it's getting dark, and I'm like, okay,

487
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.279
<v Speaker 2>we're going to sleep here. Like hm, I'd have at

488
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>least been trying to climb over the what do you

489
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>call not the bonnet of the pedalow but whatever, the

490
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.519
<v Speaker 2>front bit of the pedlo is and try to see

491
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.839
<v Speaker 2>whether I could reach under and yeah, yeah, dislodge it.

492
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<v Speaker 2>But now they all seem very happy to accept the

493
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 2>fate and die on this lake.

494
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, Yeah, that's a good suggestion, trying to

495
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 1>get your hand under him, try and sort it out. Yeah,

496
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a big fan of open water.

497
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 2>All that nothing.

498
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of unsettling.

499
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

500
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So a big argument ensues. Turns out there is

501
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>no party. No, she's missing Jemmas n night for this an.

502
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Old stripper helicopter in she's losing out on.

503
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel your pain.

504
00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 2>It's nice that her. She she's more interested in Jude

505
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Rinda than the than the strippers, so she's got some

506
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>small amount of class.

507
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>If you want to spin it that way.

508
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okayrinda rates slightly higher than strippers for her, so

509
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I suppose.

510
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yeah, I struggle to choose whether my favorite

511
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>character is is Donna or Callum they're both so good,

512
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know that that that awkward pause after after

513
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 1>the argument and callams just like so, I think that's

514
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone fallen out with everyone else. Reunion one of one.

515
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Everyone wants to murder each other. Tick. Yeah, I can't

516
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 2>wait through this again in twelve years.

517
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's such a good part. And yeah, so so

518
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>glad they got Mark.

519
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>He really takes it and runs with it.

520
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So they're completely stuck, can't do anything, and it's getting dark.

521
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's winter and it's cold, and Donald's already seated

522
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that she's freezing it. It's off right from the beginning,

523
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>as she says.

524
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So they have that awkward bit where they start singing

525
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>row your.

526
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Boat, just to get the episode title in.

527
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then Lawrence stops them, and I'm glad he

528
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 1>does because it was a bit cringey.

529
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>You've got to sing before when you know you're about

530
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>to die.

531
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I suppose. Yeah, And so we find out a little

532
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 1>bit more about Lawrence's situation being stuck. You know that

533
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>he'd stayed in the area after UNI, and then he

534
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.119
<v Speaker 1>says he continued teaching athletes. So I didn't find that

535
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>very realistic that he said he got a PGC, and

536
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>then he was suddenly a UNI lecturer. I think you'd

537
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 1>need like a PhD or something to do that.

538
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>But I assume so, yeah, maybe they couldn't find someone.

539
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we really need some once to teach this class.

540
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 2>You'll do.

541
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the idea being that he just he's not

542
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>not moved on at all.

543
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Just teaching the class that he's already learned, still got

544
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 2>his notes.

545
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel that there's a few references in this episode

546
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to previous episodes, and the first one that I've got

547
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>here is the Game of Thrones, Yes, ruined the ending.

548
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which, funnily enough, I'm not sure if you're aware

549
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Mark Gatters was in.

550
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So that's it's nice the little shot on his

551
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>face of he can't really say anything, but yeah.

552
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Although he was in it, I think in the early

553
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 2>years I remember.

554
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Rightly, So, yeah, so the ending wasn't his fault.

555
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't only wasn't his fault.

556
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 1>In any way. And when they say about ruining the ending,

557
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence says, well, I'm not going to do that, which

558
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit foreboding.

559
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Ye. Also, we missed the line earlier of I think

560
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>it's Callum says you haven't lured me here under false pretenses,

561
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>have you?

562
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

563
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is another hint to is Laurence going to

564
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 2>go on a murdipery mm hmmm. I fully expected, did you? Yeah?

565
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if I did, I don't know.

566
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I was just expect Teresa's character to be a bit

567
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 2>unhinged in some way. Yeah, and that the bag was

568
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a bomb in it or oh yeah, something.

569
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>So he reveals at this point Matt his wife body. Yeah,

570
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>he kept saying that she was going to be with them. Yes,

571
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it turns out she is with them because her she's

572
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>dead and her ashes are in the bag.

573
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, said was what they call technically true.

574
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and this is the one year anniversary of her

575
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 1>death as well, So that's very sad.

576
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not doing well.

577
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 1>No, And they ask him, so you wanted us to

578
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 1>be here to scatter her ashes and he says sort

579
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, and then immediately dives.

580
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>In mm hm out of the blue, go into the blue.

581
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Into the murky gray.

582
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've already seeded that you'll die if you

583
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>do that. Well, yeah, but what can they do? You

584
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>can't really stop him, No, you can't jump in after

585
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>him no, watch him swim off. And then they all

586
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 2>start to get a bit come to their senses and

587
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>realize what's going on. Like now they've not been the

588
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>best people. Lawrence has been trying to reach out, especially

589
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to Callum, and Callum be ignoring him. Yeah, and then

590
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>it actually gets properly dark by this point.

591
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>This was the moment where you know, we were saying

592
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 1>the depth that Donna has. She's you know, she's quite

593
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>profound in her own way. When you know, they're talking

594
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>about dealing with ship and she's like, his wife's died.

595
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't just scoop that up in a little blue

596
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 1>bag and hang out for a tree which is in it,

597
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>she decides to say a funny way of putting it,

598
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's quite a good point, and that.

599
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>She's quite happy with her life like they've they're all

600
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>saying all the sad stuff that's happened to them, and

601
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm quite happy. I've got my nice little

602
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>job and got friends and she's quite content her. Yeah,

603
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>which is lovely but all you can really.

604
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Hope for exactly. And yeah, the other the other reference

605
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of shitting in a painting, Yeah.

606
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Yeah, I don't remember, but I feel like there

607
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 2>must be some sort of reference, something that happened to

608
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 2>them to have brought it up twice. Yeah, this must

609
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 2>be a real story that happened to someone.

610
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

611
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Presumably it wasn't them specifically.

612
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 1>But yes, I hope not.

613
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I imagining one of them found it in somewhere.

614
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they heard from someone else. I just yeah, I

615
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>think that this is an episode with a lot to

616
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>say about, you know, the paths that we take, and

617
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 1>how whatever path you take, it's easy to feel like

618
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.559
<v Speaker 1>the grass is greener on the other side.

619
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you.

620
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Know, we've all we've all got regrets of like could

621
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>have done this, should have done that, Yeah it's too

622
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>late now, sort of thing.

623
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 2>And even did you get to the top of very

624
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>top of your field doesn't mean that you're going to

625
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 2>be happy.

626
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>With it exactly, which is lovely and depressing.

627
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we get more to Darren's story, so he reveals

628
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that he's dyslexic, with the great line of if life

629
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>gives you malons, you're probably dyslexic.

630
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's a good one.

631
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's why he's why he's so keen on

632
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 2>writing this book to help other people that might be

633
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 2>like him. Yeah, because he's probably struggled at school, which

634
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 2>is quite sweet, even if it still as a non

635
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 2>original idea.

636
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the thought that counts. I love how that

637
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>they temper the serious stuff with comedy still, you know. Yeah,

638
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Donnas sort of anti climax of I've got to think

639
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>of something bad that's happened to me now. Actually wrote

640
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>down the word bathos, and then I thought it was

641
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a bit wonky to say that.

642
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what that word means.

643
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like humorous anti climax, undercutting something. Yeah,

644
00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember it from school.

645
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>No one asked knew that word. So Lawrence, Lawrence has survived.

646
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>He is on this island, his little torch going.

647
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>He has a little shrine.

648
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do we reckon he's built this then? Or is

649
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>this maybe a place they used to come to a

650
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>lot and they've built it before or possibly because was

651
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff in his little bag?

652
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Was it all in his bag?

653
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Seems like quite a lot of stuff. I'm assuming that

654
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 2>the fireworks must have already been there.

655
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because a lot of fireworks go.

656
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>On, quite a lot of fireworks and they're not exactly

657
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>small and they've had a long the like big tubular

658
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>things to be rockety ones.

659
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he must have had a lot of preparation. He

660
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 1>must have done to this before the actual episode.

661
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which makes me wonder what actually is in

662
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the bag then, what he needed that he hadn't already

663
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>brought but hmm, Yeah, he's got this little shrine set up,

664
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.319
<v Speaker 2>and we get the presumption that this is where him

665
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and Bonnie got where he proposed to Bonnie originally, not

666
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the Caribbean, this island. Yeah. And he gets really sad

667
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>that he's missing her a lot and the anniversary and

668
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>he's not known how to say goodbye properly. Yeah, and

669
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>wants to send her off with a.

670
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Bang and notably he's shivering obviously, Yes, and.

671
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Again with the serious to funny of So this is

672
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the point where they discover there's a box from Ashes

673
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>to Flashes in his stuff, which is the most it's

674
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>so depressing.

675
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you think I don't.

676
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the concept is okay. I think the

677
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>concept is quite nice in a way.

678
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>You just think that, okay, yes, you can understand that

679
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>really sad.

680
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 2>No, I do think it's almost a nice idea in

681
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a way. Yeah.

682
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we get to see this memorial far work display,

683
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>which is a really lovely moment. It's sweet and where

684
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Donna's really like, you know, she says, oh, I'm going

685
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to cry, and she's just really genuine.

686
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're really sweet how they hug each other,

687
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>and she's just like we do genuinely seem like a

688
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>nice little couple.

689
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a very sad episode.

690
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>We didn't really get any better from.

691
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, because I mean the next thing is Lawrence

692
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>just lying down next to the shrine, lying down to die.

693
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I do, well, maybe we'll save that for the end,

694
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>but I have questions over what his intentions were. Yeah,

695
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he lies down, and then Callum and Darren

696
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>start to fight over whether it's a good idea to

697
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 1>go swim over to him or not.

698
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Especially Callum's going to know that this isn't he won't

699
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>be in a good fit state, like you know what

700
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>hypothermia will be doing to him. So yeah, but what

701
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 2>what what realistically are they going to do.

702
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous, isn't it.

703
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>They're just going to be in not anymore in the

704
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 2>same boat.

705
00:34:53.719 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Like nice one planned but nice all the same. Yeah,

706
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>And so they you know, they're they're standing up on

707
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 1>the boat and fighting and you know, all this drama,

708
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 1>and then we cut to black Ye possibly did they

709
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>fall in, didn't they? We don't know. I don't know

710
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 1>at that point.

711
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>No, and then it's next day and somehow Lawrence is in.

712
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>A boat, Yeah, little boat, a little.

713
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Boat, and he's quite confused. What's going on? Where are

714
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.400
<v Speaker 2>his friends? He just gets told they're on the other side.

715
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's he's been rowed by this mysterious fisherman that

716
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 1>he saw yessly with his hood ob scaring his face.

717
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I couldn't. I did not remember any of this

718
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>at all.

719
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>No.

720
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking when when the fireworks went off, and

721
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 2>we've not seen the guy that was wandering around again,

722
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, we're just going to forget about him. Yeah,

723
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.320
<v Speaker 2>what was his point? What was the pot?

724
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Was he?

725
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Here? Is he? I remember thinking, is he setting off

726
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the fireworks? Like because they seem to be coming from

727
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 2>further away from Lawrence than they should be.

728
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a bit weird, very elaborated.

729
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe he was just hired to set off the fireworks. Yeah,

730
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>totally forgot about everything else.

731
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So this this I'll continue to call him the fisherman.

732
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>He says, the friends are fine, they're on the other side. Yeah,

733
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>And he says that he's been watching Lawrence for some

734
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 1>time sometime. Yeah.

735
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence kind of just goes along with it, Yes, and

736
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>eventually might get to a little dock and get off

737
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 2>the boat. Yeah, at which point the fisherman wants holds

738
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 2>out a hand for payment.

739
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've written in my notes. Lawrence coughs up, literally.

740
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>And he starts to realize at this point Lawrence maybe

741
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>hasn't made it. Maybe Lawrence, maybe Lawrence has died, bless him. Yeah.

742
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>So at this point we realize the fisherman is Karen,

743
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 2>the ferryman of the dead, cross the river sticks and

744
00:36:59.599 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>all that.

745
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you say, we realize it relies on the audience

746
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 1>now in their Greek mythology.

747
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's like the thing of

748
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you would put a penny in the dead's mouth to

749
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 2>pay for passage in the afterlife and all this sort

750
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>of stuff.

751
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Because that's the thing is that even if you don't

752
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>know the depths and ins and outs of it, like,

753
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it's still fairly obvious.

754
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.519
<v Speaker 2>I think something weird's going on. If he's coughing up

755
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a giant penny.

756
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, also, especially the way that they present

757
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 1>him as this hooded figure like it's also crossing into

758
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the grim reaper kind of thing as well.

759
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the weird voice.

760
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>So it's all the imagery, is there.

761
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

762
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we've all got this, you know, concept of

763
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a sort of final journey to the afterlife sort of thing.

764
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I did expect, I don't know, the

765
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 2>jetty to be a little bit more elaborate, but yeah, yeah,

766
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and he seems quite a piece at this point. M

767
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence has kind of figured figured out what's going on,

768
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he hears his name being called, yeah by

769
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>what we have to as se is Bonnie.

770
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they hold on that final shot of him like

771
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 1>he's about to sort of say Bonnie, Like they hold

772
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>on it for like a long time. It looks like

773
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>twice he tries to speak but can't quite say it. Yeah,

774
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 1>it's a nice moment.

775
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And obviously the fact that that fisherman's saying they're on

776
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the other side implies, since we now know Lawrence has died,

777
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that the rest must have survived. Well, yeah, they're on

778
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the other side. Is still alive.

779
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 1>That's that's one interpretation. Oh, I was. I was a

780
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 1>bit confused because it could mean Matt or it could

781
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>also mean, you know, because he's still in transit at

782
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that point when he asked that question, they have already gone,

783
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 1>are they on the other side, So they may already

784
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>be So I think you can interpret it either way, really, yeah,

785
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 1>because it's interesting how he looks back at the pedolo

786
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and the Pedlo's still there in the place that it was,

787
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>but they've gone.

788
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I took it as like we've crossed

789
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 2>over and that this is like the shadow version of

790
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the world.

791
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is not Yes, that makes sense.

792
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>There's no people there, like, yeah, just the inanimate objects.

793
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I guess if Callum and Darren Forton fell in, Yeah,

794
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get couldn't get to land, they would struggle

795
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>get hypothermia quicker because they'd be constantly in water. They

796
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>might they'd have died, yeah quickly. Dono Matter tried to

797
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>save them and something else badly happened to her, Yeah,

798
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 2>whereas Lawrence just slowly slipped away over the few hours.

799
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's kind of there's kind of two ways

800
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of looking at that. I'm not, yeah, because he does

801
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>say don't worry about them, because again that could mean

802
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about them, they're still alive, or it could

803
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>mean don't worry about them, they're at peace, their souls

804
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>are okay, sort of thing.

805
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>You'll see him in twenty minutes. Yeah, yeah, so yeah.

806
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. So that was one of my questions, was what

807
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 1>happened to the others. But my other question was was

808
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 1>it always Lawrence's plan to die or was it a

809
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.760
<v Speaker 1>case of, you know, he found himself in that situation

810
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was what it was sort of thing. I

811
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>think the latter, Yeah, I think the latter.

812
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the original would have been. He'd have rode

813
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.159
<v Speaker 2>up to the island. They have all got off, he'd

814
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>have lit the fireworks and they've all stood together and

815
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>watched them. Yes, but they got tangled up and he

816
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>thought fuck it.

817
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing. Once he was once he made

818
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>that decision to dive in, I think he knew he

819
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>was going.

820
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>To die, or at least he didn't care anymore exactly. Yeah,

821
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't If he makes it out, fine, if he doesn't,

822
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't matter.

823
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>As long as he could do that. What he'd set

824
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>out to do with the fireworks and the memorial. Yeah,

825
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that was the important bit, didn't matter what happened to him.

826
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And I took from the the Fisherman saying,

827
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>been watching you for some time? Yeah, maybe maybe Lawrence

828
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>has been suicidal.

829
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for a while. Yes. The other potential thing is

830
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 1>just to throw a complete curve ball out there, like,

831
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe none of this happened. Maybe this is all some

832
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of afterlife sort of dream. Maybe Lawrence dies and

833
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 1>then in his imagination he gets he gets his friends

834
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>back together, maybe and they sort of you know.

835
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>He's not seen them for twelve years. He wants to, yeah,

836
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>reconnect or whatever.

837
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>And Donna just comes along for the right. Yeah.

838
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how she fits in. But it's also

839
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>quite sad to think that Lawrence had kids, Like these

840
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 2>kids have lost both their parents within a year. Shows

841
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that Lawrence isn't really thinking properly. No, it's really really

842
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>hit him. Obviously it would, but you've got the kids,

843
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd think you just you just have to deal with it.

844
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Like, Yeah, it's a very depressing episode for what.

845
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Is the most of it quite a funny episode.

846
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that just again sums up the show. Doesn't it?

847
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Why do we do this to ourselves? It's an i'd

848
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:44.599
<v Speaker 2>want to pick as an opening episode.

849
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 1>It is.

850
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It's very different, especially considering how depressing it is. I

851
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know which one of the series had a put first, but.

852
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess at this point, you know they've got their

853
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 1>dedicated true Yeah, yeah, do something a bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a far cry from like Zanzibar and Wuthering Heist,

856
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<v Speaker 1>like as a season opener.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're ranking, yes, please, Oh you want me to

858
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<v Speaker 2>go first? Okay, I really like it, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorites by any stretch. I like it

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<v Speaker 2>for what it tries to do, but I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to go with six.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, mine is a seven. Yeah, I think it's good.

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00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I think the cast really elevates it, and so many

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00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>things like that just came together to make this so

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<v Speaker 1>good so good as well. So yeah, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>rate it at seven.

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<v Speaker 2>If it hadn't been Mark, I don't think it would

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00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 2>have worked as well by any stretch. Obviously, Dian Morgan's great,

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<v Speaker 2>but if specifically Mark Katis, yeah, yeah, good one. This

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<v Speaker 2>being a good series, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because is this where you say you've only seen them once, probably,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. Yeah, so that'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>From memory, I remember most of them being good.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, nice big question.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you spot the hair right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm so tentative now because I'm got so excited

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<v Speaker 1>previously when I thought I'd spotted it and it turned

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00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 1>out I hadn't, go on, be brave, I did. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I spotted it. Yeah, it's to the left of

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<v Speaker 1>the shrine. It is, Thank God for that.

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00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why the hell it's in the shrine,

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00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>but yes it is.

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00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I guess it's some special thing that she loved

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00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah.

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00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>When he pulled out the picture of her, I was thinking,

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00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be in the photo. It's got to be.

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00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I was looking. I was looking at the picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs, thinking, O, is it somewhere behind the dogs

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00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>or something. No, it was to the left of the shrine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw it and I thought that's definitely I

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00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>paused it and I was like, that is it? Isn't it?

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00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.679
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's definitely it because.

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00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>You can just see the ears in a silhouette for

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00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a while and then you do see it properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yes, thank God for that.

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<v Speaker 2>The listener, did you spot a hair? It will be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere hiding in the episode. We will tell you next

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00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 2>week where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>We will. It's that time of the podcast. It's message corner.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of little comments this week. First one comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Holly on TikTok. The time of recording our series

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<v Speaker 1>six has just started going out, and Holly commented and said,

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<v Speaker 1>my Tuesdays are so much better now. As soon as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm awake, I do a happy dance knowing what I

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00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>get to listen to as I get ready for work. Ah,

906
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>that's so sweet, lovely Holly, Thank you, Holly. And then

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<v Speaker 1>similarly for our coming back for series six, from Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>who commented on Spotify and said, great to have you back.

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00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I got the hair this time. That last one was devious.

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00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to look back to see what that was now.

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00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.079
<v Speaker 2>To haven't told, I'm guessing I was quite proud of

912
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you did do very well in that one.

914
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Took a few takes.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet Alex continues and says, because this is our

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<v Speaker 1>wathering hist episode, he says the problem with this show

917
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<v Speaker 1>is that episodes can be tarnished by what comes before

918
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<v Speaker 1>and after it, especially if one binge them like I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Yant, I felt this episode was a bit meh,

920
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 1>but after a rewatch, I fell in love. It's ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>and so much fun and this is the best pit,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes. I'd happily write more, but Spotify only allows

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<v Speaker 1>me five hundred characters to comment with very sat.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that's what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brilliant. I like your work, Alex, Yes, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, thanks for that. I hope you are excited

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<v Speaker 1>to cover the rest of series seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be good. Next week's a really good one

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<v Speaker 2>as well from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, so we're back next week with mister King indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>But until then, I think it's time to close the

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<v Speaker 1>door on number nine.

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<v Speaker 2>You never really leave, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the ninth. If you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch, you can find us on Instagram, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>and TikTok at ninth Degree Pod, or email us at

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<v Speaker 1>ninth Degree Pod at gmail dot com. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>leave us a rating or a review wherever you get

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<v Speaker 1>your podcasts.
