WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, somethings are going to happen. What's gonna happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:28.120 All right? All right, Welcome back everybody to another episode 4 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.559 of The Aesoteric Archives. Happy Happy New Year to everyone 5 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:36.880 out there. The holidays treated everyone well. Yeah, back with 6 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.759 a super special guest again. Uh we got Nick from 7 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.679 The Occult Rejects, one of my favorite podcasts here, so 8 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:45.799 really really lucky to have them on. 9 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.679 And yeah, I'll. 10 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:50.679 Toss it over to Nick for for a quick intro 11 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.000 and uh, we'll get the get the show on the road. 12 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:56.520 Thank you very much for having me on. I appreciate it. 13 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:58.920 And that's also that you listen to the show. 14 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:00.960 That's great that that's like, well, you have just been 15 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:02.479 so many shows that have had me on that I 16 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:04.000 don't even know, like what the fuck it's about. 17 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:07.480 So it's great to actually have somebody who listens to 18 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:07.840 the show. 19 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.359 So I really, I really appreciate really that you take 20 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:11.719 the time out to listen to her stuff. 21 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.359 I know it can be a lot, so I appreciate it. 22 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.480 Yeah for sure, for sure. Oh yeah, and I guess 23 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:17.000 to find the show. 24 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.920 The Occult Rejects is on old major podcasts and bit 25 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.799 Shoot Rumble and YouTube awesome. 26 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.680 Awesome, Yeah, everyone go go give give a follow, a, 27 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:27.560 like a subscribe, all that good stuff. 28 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.000 Yeah, we we wanted to have you on. 29 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:31.920 So, I mean the you know, the title of our 30 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.079 podcast is the Aesoteric Archives. 31 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.239 So is the age off of like kindada like a 32 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.000 don't you like? 33 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.560 Yeah? Yeah, and also makes us a little harder to search, So. 34 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.680 You know, I didn't really think that, but you really 35 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.879 got to be looking to find you guys, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 36 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.359 it's yeah, that's a commitment to the to the show. 37 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.719 But but yeah, no, so I mean, like the you know, 38 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.760 the the theme of our show is kind of just 39 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.879 the sort of a halt and esoteric, you know, underlying 40 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.759 persona that Canada has that kind of flies under the 41 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.360 radar a lot of the time, you know, So we've 42 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.280 actually been meaning to have have someone on that understands 43 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.840 that that world a little more and who's had some 44 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:23.240 involvement in magic and uh and these uh, these different 45 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.319 orders and stuff like that. So yeah, it's it's uh, 46 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:32.159 I guess to kick it off, maybe if you wouldn't 47 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.800 mind just sort of telling everyone a little bit about 48 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.080 your background and kind of how you got involved in 49 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.560 that and and how it brought you to to where 50 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.680 you are today. Yeah, no, yeah, not a problem. 51 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:45.960 I would still consider myself now, I guess like a 52 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.479 magician or an occultist at least. 53 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:47.879 Uh. 54 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:49.360 I still do study. 55 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:54.800 I'm big into like a uh Cabbala deimatria, planetary stuff, 56 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.280 really big into physiology, stuff with the eyes in the 57 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.840 brain and the nerve and nervous system. 58 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:04.400 I was big into you know. 59 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.919 I was a member of the Oto, which was a 60 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.879 it was an order that was originally formed by Masons 61 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.280 that eventually they handed it over to Crowley after they 62 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.800 read his Book of the Law, and then he changed 63 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.560 the order. He knocked out like you know, a bunch 64 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.039 of the initiations, brought it down to thirteen and kind 65 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:22.560 of based the order on the Book of the Law. 66 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.159 Well Dinton kind of did base the order of the 67 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:27.479 Book of the Law, and basically, you know, take took 68 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:28.199 it over and ran it. 69 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:30.520 I was in that for a while, you know, I 70 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:31.439 minute probably. 71 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.120 About six six seven years, maybe five six years, went 72 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.240 through a few initiations. 73 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.439 You had that experience, you know. 74 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.840 I guess in the beginning, you know, as a kid, 75 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.159 I was interested in I guess paranormal on UFO stuff. 76 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.319 So I guess that somehow probably led me to where 77 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.080 I got, but believe it in our conspiracies was what 78 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:53.680 led me to the occult. So eventually, uh yeah, I mean, 79 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.280 I know that's kind of like real quick saying a lot, 80 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:57.800 but yeah, I was a member of the OTO for 81 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.000 a while. I was into ceremonial magic. 82 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.000 Uh you know two rituals lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram, 83 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:04.719 hexagram invoking stuff. 84 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.560 Uh, you know, I have the whole set up and 85 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:11.000 everything on the altar. I may i'd meet talisman's invoked, 86 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.840 you know, God's, Goddess's angels. I never really fucked with demons, 87 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.800 but you know, so I do have all that experience 88 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.160 and still cover it now. You know, the part of 89 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.000 the show is pretty much to help I guess, decode 90 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.800 or demystify the occult. I did spend a decent amount 91 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:29.600 of time when I first started the show, I guess 92 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.560 pointing at the negativities of. 93 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.800 It or like like put it this way. 94 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.759 When I left the OTO and started paying attention to 95 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.600 I guess the world around me again instead of just 96 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.720 worrying about studying the occult and magic, and you know, 97 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.040 started watching the TV again and putting on the news, 98 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.560 I was like, Yo, this ship's fucking all. 99 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.759 In our face, you know, so like I guess. 100 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.160 When I first started, the show is more or less 101 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:53.879 bean like, Yo, Like the fucking world really is run 102 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.120 by this ship, and uh, you know now it's more 103 00:04:58.160 --> 00:04:59.839 of kind of gone over into like I think I've 104 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.399 done enough of that, and there's so many other podcasts 105 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:04.120 that do that anyway, Like the fuck do I need 106 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.759 to repeat the shit everybody else is talking about? I 107 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.199 try to, you know, look at the positive side, because 108 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.519 my experience in practicing magic for myself has been a 109 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.759 positive experience. Maybe parts of the OTO was not, but 110 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.600 my actual magical experience have all been beautiful, positive experiences 111 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.639 that have changed my life and I think helps make 112 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.240 me or pie help anybody become a better person. So 113 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:32.759 from my experience, there is positive stuff in magic. I 114 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:37.600 mean from a ceremonial magician's standpoint. The reason they're even 115 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:39.720 supposed to be getting into that, if you're getting into 116 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.240 it for the right reasons, is to having experience with 117 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.160 the Holy Guardian Angel and they eventually having experience with God. 118 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.120 So I mean kind of have to be a decent 119 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.279 person to have that happen, I think, yeah, yeah, you 120 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:53.360 can turn into an asshole afterwards, which is that's where 121 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.240 I think actually the problem happens. I think people might 122 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.519 be blessed with certain gifts and them realize they could 123 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.399 be a piece of with it instead of health humanity. 124 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:06.439 But yeah, so I basically spend a lot of time 125 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.920 just trying to educate people on the occults. Symbolism one 126 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:12.920 of the big things I do like to try to 127 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.000 push and I'll just like say it now because I 128 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.160 just think it's very important and it doesn't mean that 129 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:19.639 we have to get into these topics. 130 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:20.040 It's just. 131 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.160 I think it will be different than most people ever 132 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.319 hear from other occultists. My opinion, when it comes to 133 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.279 the occult and occult symbolism and the mysteries and mysteries 134 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.480 and the secrets of secrets, believe it or not, a 135 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.040 lot of it is, in my opinion, in physiology, if 136 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.040 you actually were to study the brain and the eyeballs 137 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.600 and the nervous system, you see a lot of symbolism, 138 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.399 You see a lot of art, see a lot of 139 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.600 freaky shit actually inside your body that in my opinion, 140 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:45.839 has been reduplicated in occult symbolism. 141 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.519 And I do actually think. 142 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:51.120 This might sound like a little scary, a little freaky, 143 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:52.920 or you know, I'm not trying to be like an edgeloid, 144 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.279 but I do think, you know, they always talk about 145 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.879 a death and a rebirth. My opinion, you are going 146 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.399 to have to actually be technically okay with kind of dying, 147 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.000 believe in that to have a magical experience. So I 148 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.279 do actually think that like death is a part of it, 149 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:08.319 just like the rebirth is. And I do think a 150 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.639 lot of stuff in occult symbolism, art, stuff that you'll 151 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.079 see in movies, stuff that you'll read in books that 152 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:14.920 doesn't make any sense. 153 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.759 It's because you're not looking at it from the aspect 154 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.319 of death being involved, or death already happening, or the 155 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.000 person having this experience outside of their body. But I 156 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.879 do think part of the mysteries and mysteries and secrets 157 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.399 of secrets is that you will have to kind of. 158 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:29.879 Click out the experience. 159 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.720 The physical experience that you feel when this is happening, 160 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.319 in the visions that you see when this is happening is. 161 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:38.360 All over the place as well. 162 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.920 M's my opinion, because there are some there are some 163 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.319 things I'm not saying that everybody does, but there's certain 164 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.399 things that I think people do share. Like there's certain 165 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.759 symbolism I use from my experience that I know other 166 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.199 people have noticed it because they've. 167 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:54.879 Seen the same thing, right, you know. 168 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:56.600 It's almost like a way of putting a calling card 169 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:58.439 out there and saying like, you know, if you see this, 170 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.040 obviously you're in the know, right you know. 171 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.439 So that's you know, it's been my experience. 172 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.399 So I do think it's scarier, weirdest sounds, the visions, 173 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.720 and the feelings that you have from dying is huge 174 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.959 also within symbolism and art and vehicle. 175 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.639 Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's a really interesting point 176 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.240 to make. So I when I actually, yeah, well so. 177 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:19.800 Am I gonna understand what's on the other side, and 178 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:21.399 was like, oh there, well exactly. 179 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.000 Yeah. Yeah. And if you know, from my personal experience, 180 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.600 when I kind of started diving into what all this 181 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.039 was was when I was my dad was in hospice 182 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.960 and I was spending a lot of time in hospice, 183 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.360 like all day, every day for four or five months. 184 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.279 It was so it was, you know, I was surrounded 185 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.720 by death. You could feel it that you could feel 186 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.960 the energy of it. You could feel almost like I 187 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.399 it was weird. I could know when someone had passed 188 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.200 in a room that was near him, like and I'd 189 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.919 be like, Jerry, Jerry checked out today, didn't he. It's 190 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.960 like yep, Like it's it's just that you become when 191 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.639 when when you remove the the outside distractions and stuff, 192 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:08.919 you can really feel the life force energy beyond anything else. 193 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.639 It's it's really really interesting. I saw uh instagram real. 194 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.200 I'm pretty sure it was real. I don't think it 195 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.200 was ai uh where there was a cat that's in 196 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:23.080 like a hospice that always knows right before the person's 197 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:23.519 going to die. 198 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.919 And it hasn't been wrong yet. It's been like actorate, 199 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.799 like almost one hundred times in a row, I've seen 200 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.639 that the cat will go sit with the person and 201 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.480 basically now it's like every time they do that, they. 202 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.519 Know the Unfortunately, they know the person's going to be 203 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:36.120 about to die. 204 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.399 Yeah, and wow, cats are supposed to have one foot in, 205 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:40.480 one foot out, are they not? 206 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.039 I believe that Yeah? 207 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.840 Yeah, yeah, I definitely believe that there was things that 208 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.399 happened with my cat just from magic fucking around with 209 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.480 magic that my cat saw shit that wasn't there that 210 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:52.720 I didn't see because it was reacting and actually looking 211 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.639 at things. It's hard to explain if we get into 212 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.840 it later, but yeah, my cat definitely understood it, So 213 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.120 something was going on. Yeah, to use it as a barometer, 214 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.840 you know, like maybe I should be freaked out. Maybe 215 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.000 they're actually just like fucking out there remold viewing. Maybe 216 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.919 maybe they're having a better experienced sleep and that's why 217 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:14.679 they sleep so much. Like this place is fucking boring. 218 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.639 I'm going to go, you know, fucking fly off somewhere 219 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:18.519 and go to spit. Yeah, fair enough. 220 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:25.080 You haven't a magical experience himself, hope. So I wanted to. 221 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:28.639 I want to get back into the death thing because 222 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.320 I have a few questions around that and sort of 223 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.120 how that plays into like ritual and and and initiation 224 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.279 and things like that. But you had mentioned symbolism, so 225 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.879 one of the questions I did have for you was like, obviously, 226 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.039 like you know, we see a lot of a cult 227 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.879 symbolism in Hollywood and stuff these days, and I've always 228 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.600 kind of like danced with the idea of like is 229 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:53.840 is this are are basically like are these guys just 230 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:55.679 trying to be edgy and they know that this is 231 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.960 what people are into these days, or are they actually 232 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.039 using this for like with intent, you know, because I 233 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:06.559 know there's there. I have heard of writers and stuff 234 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:10.519 and producers putting sigils into their movies to help, you know, 235 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.960 ensure that they succeed in things like that. But it 236 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.600 is sort of like you said, it's so in your 237 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:19.919 face these days and like thirty three everywhere and this thing, 238 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.720 you know what I mean, So like in your opinion 239 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.559 and having dealt with this is what amount of that 240 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.759 is actually legitimate and what amount of that is just 241 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.840 you know, edgelrd behavior. Oh, I think some of it 242 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:33.919 is edgeloged behavior. 243 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.759 But I do think sometimes I would even say sometimes 244 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.120 it's sort of thing like I was saying, just like 245 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.679 a calling car to even like let you know, like 246 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:42.759 who's behind this? You know, if you've seen thirty three 247 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.320 a lot, it might be Masonic. If youve seen ninety 248 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:48.039 three a lot, it might be the leaming uh symbolism. 249 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.960 I do believe certain sigils and some stuff hold powods 250 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.320 where I do think it could maybe start triggering stuff 251 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.960 in your head. But I mean, just to even get 252 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.120 down to basics. And this is something that I even 253 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.759 covered last week part one. I have a part two 254 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:07.399 coming out. How colors itself will just create change in yourself, 255 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.000 in your mood, in your mind. So I mean you 256 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.639 can start playing around with that in movies and do 257 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.840 all sorts of stuff to people, give them a feelings. 258 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:15.440 I mean, just think about this. 259 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.559 If we were to watch one of all, like an 260 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:21.159 old classic horror movie without music, tell me how scary, 261 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.399 we'd actually probably yeah, no affair. 262 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.879 Enough music that fucking gets us before it happens. 263 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.279 You know, if you watch a Jason or Fredni movie 264 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.600 without the fucking music, you probably be laughing at it, really, 265 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:31.879 you know. 266 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:33.679 Yeah, yeah for sure. 267 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.039 So between just sound and colors, you can manipulate people 268 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.720 a lot with that already. But I do think that 269 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.480 is huge. I actually think that, huh. I think a 270 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:48.320 lot of magic nowadays. When I say this, it's not 271 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.159 like I'm trying to get political. It's more just the 272 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:55.559 way I actually will say certain styles of magic is Nazis. 273 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.360 It's Nazi magic. I just call it Nazi magic because 274 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:02.879 I do believe that. You know, it was an occult 275 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.480 war obviously, World War two, But I do think the 276 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.679 Nazi is a form of style of magic, and I 277 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:12.519 think part of their black magic is fooling people. 278 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:13.279 With sounds and vision. 279 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.159 It sounds, yeah, sound sound and sound insight, and I 280 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.879 think a lot of that is what's going on, Like, 281 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.039 especially during like the last couple of we have a 282 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.720 lot of propaganda out there, and if you start to 283 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.120 realize some people maybe you guys don't. 284 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:31.279 Know how conspiratorlial are. 285 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.000 You'll see sometimes that like the news does it in 286 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.200 even conspiracy. I hate to say, it's probably worse in 287 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.279 the conspiracy community with the propaganda where it's like we 288 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.080 take things and kind of put it on a different 289 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.200 spin and don't really like, all right, put it this way. 290 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:46.679 Perfect example, and I'm not really a fan of the 291 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:48.399 other one of them. Let's say, if you took Proud 292 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.039 Boys and Antifa. Yeah, now, if you were to watch 293 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.639 it on Fox, you're gonna see Antifa throwing the first punch. 294 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.320 If you watch it on CNN, you're gonna see Proud Boys. 295 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:56.919 Throwing the first punch. 296 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:57.759 Yeah. 297 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.639 Yeah, it's a spin. Another perfect ex sample with the 298 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.799 Ukraine War. This is a perfect example of Nazi magic. 299 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:04.399 In my opinion. 300 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.639 The Azoff battalion. They fucking throw the Nazi I mean 301 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.919 they have the swasticker on their shit. They used they 302 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.200 used the nineteenth Division Panzer signed as well on their stuff. 303 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.200 When that war broke out and surf first started popping off, 304 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:19.799 you have people showing all this footage of what's going on. 305 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:21.879 If you were to look real, you know, most people 306 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:22.559 don't pay attention. 307 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.039 It's sometimes it's on the video itself, in fine print 308 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.559 or even underneath who it's provided by. 309 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:30.399 Almost everything that was given to us was from the 310 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:31.279 Azoff battalion. 311 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.120 So now you're telling me that I'm supposed to believe 312 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.399 what fucking Nazis are showing me is going on over it. Yeah, 313 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.080 they've got their own PR department. I won't even I 314 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:41.879 can't even I can't even say that that's truthful. I 315 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.159 have no idea you're having occult showing me what do 316 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.960 you want me to believe is going on over there? 317 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.080 I believe stuff like that where I think they will 318 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.320 manipulate news and media, they'll put certain spins on it. 319 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.919 What you're looking at maybe real, but not the context 320 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.720 they're putting it in. Yeah, and I think that is huge, 321 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:00.159 And I think that I believe it or not, is 322 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.919 a style that kind of really took a hold in. 323 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:08.039 World War Two, that one side versus another, like you're 324 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:09.039 either on one side or this. 325 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.039 And that's saying Hitler didn't do anything. 326 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.200 I'm not saying he didn't do anything, but like I 327 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.200 do think like they definitely used shit to really stir 328 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.320 fucking feelings and fear into people. Oh one hundred yeah, 329 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.559 I mean they use yeah prior to that, if you 330 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.639 want to believe it, I mean I I I'm very 331 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.600 skeptical about it because I'm like, all right, so if 332 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.039 it's really that dangerous, we'll just build the cameras out 333 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:30.080 of whatever it's built out of. 334 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.480 But like they filmed the atomic bomb and televised it, 335 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:34.720 I don't know how you filmed it. 336 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.039 Yeah yeah, yeah, like televised that ship that ripped fear 337 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.799 in people's fucking Where we can do that. I don't 338 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.279 even know if they was sound for that. There was 339 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.240 a vision for it though, and that freaked well the 340 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.159 fuck is out? 341 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.399 Oh yeah, Like the mushroom cloud is like, oh, it's 342 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:57.279 like a symbol of destruction war yeah yeah, well yeah, 343 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.559 even you know, you were talking colors and music and stuff, 344 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.559 so I was. The last interview he did was with 345 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.240 Joe Martino, who's in media. He's founder of Collective Evolution, 346 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.639 and we were talking to him about like it had 347 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.080 been a while since I'd watched the news, and my 348 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.320 wife's parents were were over like a year ago, and 349 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.919 they threw it on and it was actually actually a 350 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.559 bunch of the Ukraine stuff and it was scored, like 351 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.159 there was music to it, like to the news segment, 352 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.080 and I was like, when the fuck did they start 353 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:31.559 doing this? Like what We're like, who and who's sitting 354 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.720 there scoring this? Like there's a guy back there, you 355 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.200 know what I mean, Like, who's god is? He went 356 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.200 to school to be a composer and now he's like 357 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.639 scoring the Ukraine Wars? Just insane to me. 358 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.360 But that's putting my down in your resume. Y, I 359 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.200 did this fucking Ukraine warup and on seeing it? 360 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.279 Yeah, yeah, so I mean, yeah, you're one hundred percent right, 361 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:51.799 you know what would be interesting to see. 362 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.519 And I've seen it come out recently and I think 363 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:55.600 I might want to cover it too, or or just 364 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:56.600 I don't know. 365 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:57.879 It was kind of contemplating it. 366 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.080 The amount of newscase is I think in the seventies 367 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.960 and eighties that we have have all been pretty much 368 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.519 like actually like come out and been dropped as being 369 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.359 ci ag Yeah. I mean a lot of their funding 370 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:14.279 comes from from that world, right, Like, I mean a 371 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.000 ton of them. It's like, yo, you're to tell any 372 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.640 of your parents these names all be like, oh my god, 373 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.279 I used to love them well and even indirectly, right, 374 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.000 like how how many news agencies are like, you know, 375 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.680 sponsored by Pfizer and Pfizers funded by DARPA and they 376 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.200 so it's all like this yeah yeah, yeah. 377 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.759 And in Canada they're all funded by the government. Yeah, 378 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.960 because all all media here is funded by the government. 379 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.880 All roads lead to Rome. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I 380 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.359 mean it's it's that's to me, is is kind of 381 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.279 crazy that but but again it plays back into that, 382 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.640 like so these are dark magic practitioners in your opinion, 383 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.720 that are running all this on the other side. 384 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:57.480 Yeah. 385 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.599 But the thing is when I'll actually say what I 386 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.119 think is probably more of it, And again I'm that. 387 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:05.519 I do think a lot of shit that we're showing 388 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.359 is possibly fake. 389 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.880 I think all you really have to do and this 390 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.160 is something that I think from having the experience of 391 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.480 crossing the abyss. My opinion, anybody that I for myself 392 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.720 or anybody that I think has actually done that, you 393 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.640 have to do like almost like a serial serious inventory 394 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.240 in like how your mind works, and you do it 395 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:25.839 like a lake old shadow work, or you do like 396 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.119 a lot of work on that. Between that and I 397 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.160 think the experiences you'll have after magic, which is hard 398 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.960 to get into, but like I think you'll start to 399 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.960 notice like the psychology of the human mind a lot better. 400 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.319 And you just have to make people believe something really 401 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:43.880 happen and show them something to make them believe that 402 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.799 to create the feelings that you want, like the movie 403 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.440 even put it this way, God forbid. If I'm wrong, 404 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.079 I'm sorry, George Floyd. I don't believe that situation was true. 405 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:53.440 We're real. 406 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.839 Look with that spurred the fuck off right Edgargre walking 407 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.759 down the street with b ONLM basically yeah, fucking insane. Yeah, 408 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.480 So if that didn't really happen, you know what I'm saying, 409 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:04.880 or if that I mean, I just find it so 410 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:05.279 fuck away. 411 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.240 Your guy's got his hand in his pocket instead of 412 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:07.680 his knee. 413 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.960 Technically that was his shint I think on his neck, 414 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:11.400 which is you know, that's a Hebrew word on a 415 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:12.240 fucking tarot card. 416 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.240 You know, who knows what was just my opinion that wasn't. 417 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.119 Real, you know, it spurred off all this shit, you know, 418 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:20.680 or even if it was real, it was pushed to 419 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.559 a certain way to get people to react, to get 420 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.279 some sort of emotions going. And a lot of times 421 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.880 I think that's what magic is, believe it or not, 422 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.200 a lot of times it's what do you think you 423 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.240 might be seeing that might be quite horrible is actually 424 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.079 probably just AI or special effects or twisting something at 425 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.000 the truth and getting people to believe that that's what 426 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:43.960 they thought they saw. It was even happened with Charlie 427 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.000 Kirk for all. I know that motherfuckers still alive somewhere. 428 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:47.839 Yeah, I was just going to say that, or that 429 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.720 that the woman on the subway who got a tack 430 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.960 from behind as well, that one seemed really weird to me. Yeah, 431 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:56.839 and it was out of time where they wanted everyone 432 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.279 bashing heads, right, It felt off. 433 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:01.960 Yeah. I would even say a lot of stuff on 434 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.240 social media that I think stirs up hate and gets 435 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.680 people to like really get like my side versus your side. 436 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:10.359 I think you have a lot of that out there 437 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.599 is actually literally produced just to stir feelings, and isn't 438 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:19.440 it's kind of like scripted yeah yeah, theater, Yeah yeah yeah. 439 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.400 Propaganda. I think a lot of memes that we had 440 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:21.759 going on. 441 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.559 I don't know how you guys feel, but like cute 442 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.079 on and all that shit, I think that all that 443 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:27.960 shit was all propaganda to fuck us in the. 444 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.279 As I agree, yeah yeah, and that's all those memes. 445 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.279 A lot of stuff that were I probably shared myself 446 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.079 was probably literally made by some fucking had off neck 447 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:36.920 beard in a basement. 448 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.880 He doesn't even realize. I think he's got on someone 449 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:41.960 want some job, or just make dumb memes, some political 450 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:42.799 shit out. 451 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:44.240 Yeah you know what I'm saying. 452 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.039 Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, man. I think, uh, well, 453 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.039 it's interesting how it's change because like obviously, like the 454 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.759 way it's approached in in America is different than it 455 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.359 is in in Canada. Right, Like even the way the 456 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.240 news is produced, you guys have of that like one side, 457 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.400 and you have that dichotomy right whereas we we don't, 458 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.599 like it's just it's all state funded news, like and 459 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:09.519 so I've been told that too. You really don't get 460 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:14.000 too many views. No, it's very centralized here, it's very 461 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.960 like controlled, and that was like you know, like as 462 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:23.599 far as spells go, like Canada is under a spell, 463 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.400 like it's the dominion spell, right like the if you 464 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.279 look at even our parliamentary system, all of its ritual, 465 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:34.079 all of it is like Rosicrucian related, you know, like 466 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:35.960 there's a ton of that we have, like the Rosy 467 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:41.359 Crown rights, what bigger the people think? 468 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.640 Yeah, yeah, I think that it's just my theory. I 469 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.759 think the OTO is technically a Rosicrucian order. Yeah, Like 470 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.519 I think they hide under different names, you know what 471 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.640 I'm saying, Like they're they're in orders, but they're not 472 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.000 as Yeah, because you even had like Rosicrucian apologists or 473 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.880 we're you know people in the six seen hundreds, No, 474 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.359 when the words and Crusion papers came out, and it's 475 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.920 just like nobody really like admitted it to being one, 476 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:10.079 but yet they existed. So it's like maybe you're just 477 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.039 kind of like hiding, not hiding, but like you weren't. 478 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.960 You're in different areas, you know what I'm getting at, 479 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:18.720 Like you don't have your own order, but you have 480 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:23.079 your ideas and own thoughts and experience and you're within 481 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:23.799 other orders. 482 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.839 Well, I think they use like a lot of the time, 483 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.279 like pomp and circumstance to sort of like as like 484 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.119 a cover for it too, right, because we view it 485 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.160 as just tradition, and we view it as like, oh, 486 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.039 this is just the Crown doing what they do. This 487 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.160 is just like you know, Canada is a Crown country. 488 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:45.559 So we stick to these, you know, and initiatory processes 489 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:47.440 when it comes to Parliament, when it comes to like 490 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.920 bringing in a new Prime Minister or Speaker of the House. 491 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:51.119 I mean if you look at the Speaker of the 492 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:56.160 House thing, it's a humiliation ritual straight up, like the 493 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.440 leader of the opposition and then the Prime Minister literally 494 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.480 drag the speaker down the aisle to his throne. That's 495 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.720 like when when they bring in a new Speaker of 496 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.480 the House, it's that he's dragged like kicking and screaming 497 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:10.599 down what. 498 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.359 Yeah, it's really weird, weird to watch. 499 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.400 Yeah, it's almost sounds like some sort of like Masonic 500 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.240 style ritual. Yeah. 501 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.279 Yeah, because like even like some of the you know, 502 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:24.000 the initiations I've been through in the OTO, you can 503 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.079 be like a little uh no, no, I haven't anything 504 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.359 that dramatic, but like they are kind of like a 505 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.880 little bit you know, something like that, And they're all 506 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.079 kind of basically based off of Freemason initiations even though 507 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.400 they're still the OTO, so they can get very theatrical 508 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:42.839 those Masons and their initiations and stuff. So it just 509 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.440 sounds like something they probably do. Yeah, well, and I 510 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.480 think the general populations, like I said, just sees it 511 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.279 as this like fun transition, right jerikuy if the population 512 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.200 put doesn't really know what the fuck a Freemason is 513 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:56.240 or the OTO is the Temple of Side right. 514 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:58.799 The same way we put up a Christmas tree every 515 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:00.480 year and no one really knows what that mean. Right. 516 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.680 It's there's like, yeah, the amount of the amount of 517 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.759 magic rituals that people are partaking in without even realizing 518 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.400 that they are, you know, it's it's yeah. Is there 519 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.000 any other others that you can like having been through, 520 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.200 like having being well versed in the ritual side of things, 521 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.400 Like what do you notice that people do that could 522 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.240 be considered ritual that that they're just like unaware of. 523 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.359 Oh oh, I mean I could get it as basically 524 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:29.759 as like if you brush your teeth when you get 525 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:35.519 up that's a ritual Yeah, but that could be like 526 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.519 a deep question. I'm not sure where to go with that. Actually, 527 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:42.519 I would probably even say, like our reactions to things 528 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.440 they want to get, you know, that's I could be 529 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.880 very ritualistic. But uh, I would probably say, and it's 530 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.799 this sounds very basic, but I guess kind of the 531 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.599 life that we've been programmed to believe in, you know, 532 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:56.960 kind of like uh, you know the sports that that's 533 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.880 very ritualistic. Yeah, yeah, I don't think people understand that too, 534 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:01.599 even baseball. 535 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.400 I've had it was my old co host when I 536 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:05.920 first thought it. 537 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.599 I think he covered it in his own separate show, 538 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.880 but I mean he decovered how that's like such a 539 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:13.880 Masonic like thing. Oh yeah, the baseball diamond alone like 540 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.359 showed some of the Masonic symbolism. But yeah, I would 541 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.759 even say, uh, stuff like that. Uh probably, I hate 542 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:24.359 to say, I don't know if the people's energy you're 543 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.720 probably being used at live events mm hmm. You know, 544 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:30.680 when when artists are performing, I do believe some of 545 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.799 them actually do understand what the fuck they're doing up 546 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:33.359 on the stage. 547 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.400 Yeah, oh the people you know paying me are doing this? 548 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.920 Now you understand it? Too. Yeah, there's a lot of 549 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.119 energy concentrated in one room, right, like pretty potent. 550 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.240 And when you say used, you know what I mean, 551 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:45.960 just like the way you would go to a concert 552 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.759 and there's energy back and forth between the performer and 553 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.200 the fans. You mean used us you. 554 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.960 Oh yeah, yeah, raised raised the energy hardest. 555 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.920 Yeah, yeah, hm. So I guess that kind of like 556 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.519 brings me if we're going we want to kind of 557 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.720 stick on the the Hollywood and like art and media 558 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.559 kind of thing. So obviously like Crowley is is like 559 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.319 kind of the figurehead. I don't I don't know your 560 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:18.759 your personal thoughts on Crowley my mind. I mean I 561 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.200 kind of view him as like as like a bit 562 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.920 of a puppet in a way, like he was the 563 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.920 one that was sort of allowed to take center stage 564 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:26.319 with it. 565 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.920 Yeah you know what I mean, tell with especially like 566 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:31.680 you know, I'm trying to I'm eventually going to cover 567 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:33.839 myself and I've had like seventy pages of notes on 568 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.799 the guy, and I mean he was so much involved 569 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.000 with intelligence on both sides. Yeah, Like who the fuck 570 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.200 even really knows what the helble's up with this dude. 571 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.000 Well, in the amount of like artists that were quote 572 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.119 unquote influenced by him or or you know, inspired by him. 573 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.880 Is just sort of like, how how did this guy 574 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.160 make it into your field of view? 575 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:53.240 You? 576 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:53.839 Right? 577 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:56.720 Yeah, well, sometimes even what do like if part of 578 00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.799 like like do we know him the way we're supposed to? 579 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.680 Right? You know, I think a lot of his stories, 580 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.440 I mean again. 581 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.319 If he wrote them, they sound very occult symbol symbolism anyway. 582 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.559 So it's just like it's just certain ones. 583 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.319 Like things that I've read or looked at of his 584 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:15.839 and it's like as I'm reading and I'm like, is 585 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.640 this really a story or you just telling another occult tale? 586 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:21.079 Like it's a symbolism in here that I'm supposed to 587 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.799 catch on to to see what you're saying. Yeah, So 588 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.559 it's like I even wonder, like what's And again, I'm 589 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.079 not saying this to say the guy was better person 590 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.880 than he is. No, I definitely think at times he 591 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.279 was a degenerate drug addict. On not puttinghim on a pedestal. 592 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.319 He even says, don't put me on a pedestal twice 593 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:39.000 in his own work. I'm not, but I don't. I 594 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.039 when it comes to some of the stories about him, 595 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:47.240 I wonder how fabricated it is, like as like this 596 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.319 bad boy image and all that, right, like everything that 597 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:54.079 my opinion, I do think some of his stuff he 598 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:58.240 is talking about physiology, and I do think he's talking 599 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.119 about the experience of death. And I think when you 600 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:06.200 were considered a drug addict, pervert and you've wroten perverted. 601 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.359 Stuff, very little people are gonna look at your work. 602 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.440 Only the people that really don't give a fuck or 603 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.559 might be a little twisted or just like I think, 604 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.599 like for me, I understand, and I do believe the 605 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:18.480 guy wasn't a perfect human being. He probably did some 606 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:20.640 fucked up shit, but I also do think he was 607 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.680 onto something. So that's why I was interested in his stuff. 608 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:27.119 M you know, so I do think, like to an extent, 609 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.279 like they'll put that image on the person so nobody 610 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:29.880 even looks. 611 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.599 At their shit as well, staying them almost. 612 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.880 Yeah, I mean there's plenty of degenerates with good ideas, right, 613 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.279 I mean, like I had a Hunter S. Thompson phase, 614 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.440 and like that guy was you know, he was fucked, 615 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.519 but he's had some brilliant writing and some really ideas 616 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.079 and stuff. You know, you kind of have to and 617 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.599 you said like you have to experience that death, you 618 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.200 gotta you gotta dance with the devil a little bit 619 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.960 to understand like what he's about, you know. 620 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.680 Yeah, yeah, I would say that. Yeah, I mean it's 621 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.160 e gonna. 622 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.680 It was definitely like even being in the OTO, it 623 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.519 was a good experience for me to even say, like 624 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:06.799 this is who I don't want to be and do 625 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:07.240 want to be. 626 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.640 So, I mean, it all had it's it helped. What 627 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.279 was it about the OTO that that you liked and 628 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.000 didn't like? Like what what initially made you want to 629 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.400 actually join a magical order versus like, you know, brought 630 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:21.880 you to leave? 631 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.839 And and what what made you leave? 632 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:24.519 Yeah? 633 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:30.200 Yeah, originally I was getting you know, I was practicing 634 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.440 magic at this point. I was doing ceremonial stuff, but 635 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.279 I was doing it out of books, and I started 636 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.039 to notice discrepancies between stuff and books, like like a 637 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.480 book maybe referring I'm almost positive it was somebody referring 638 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.240 to Crowley and one of his uh I think he 639 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.079 leab a Rush and in the book wasn't in the 640 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.119 same order that it was when Croley wrote it. 641 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.240 So I was just like, how the like you fucked 642 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:53.599 that up? 643 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:55.440 So I was like, all right, I guess, like I 644 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.480 can't even like really count on books to be incorrect. 645 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.640 So I was like, maybe I should see if there's 646 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.599 one of these fucking orders or one of these things 647 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.519 around here, and I'll just join it and see what 648 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.880 the hell's going on. And I knew a couple of now, well, 649 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.119 I knew like maybe a handful, like maybe two or 650 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:15.319 three Freemasons from being in like which or cult Facebook 651 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.359 groups shows you how long ago this was, when those 652 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.279 things are actually popular and weren't all bots. 653 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.640 It was this. So I met him. 654 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:22.880 I met a couple of people through there, and I 655 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.680 spoke to a couple of Freemasons, and one of them 656 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:26.440 was like, don't even balther. If you're gonna want to 657 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.559 get into ceremonial magic, which he was in himself, he says, 658 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.880 the Freemason is just it's gonna take forever, he says, 659 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.200 until they even acknowledge that shit's you know, real, he says, 660 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.240 But if you're better off probably with like the Golden 661 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.759 Down the Oto which he was in, or the Martinists. 662 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.359 And there was none unless it was a Golden Down 663 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.519 order that just I couldn't find. There was nothing near 664 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.279 me at all except for the OTO about twenty five 665 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.319 minutes away, which is actually like there's not too many 666 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.119 of those in the United States, so it's actually kind 667 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:02.039 of surprising, like I guess, and uh, I was like fuck, 668 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.960 I was like, all right, I guess I'll deal with 669 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.039 like fucking croy shit. 670 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:05.599 Fuck. 671 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:07.839 Totally honest with you when I say this a lot, 672 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.680 I was much more hoping for a golden doing, right, 673 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.680 which then kind of did have a little bit of 674 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.640 Crowley's you know, Crowley was in it, so I had 675 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.960 assumed that it probably had some value, you know, because 676 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.640 he kind of ripped off a lot of their shit too. 677 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.039 And uh, and it just seems to have like a 678 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.680 little bit more of an academic angle to it, or 679 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.640 didn't have like such I guess negative connotations along with it. 680 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.440 That was a little bit more you know, I guess 681 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.039 interested in that, but there wasn't one. 682 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.519 So I was like, fucking I'll go to the OTO. 683 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.799 So, you know, long story just to say all that, 684 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.599 but yeah, basically because of me wanting to, I guess, 685 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.519 go to a source and go to a place that 686 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.359 has probably like an outlined like this is what's worked, 687 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.440 you know, go by this there's still plenty in there 688 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.960 to throw in your own stuff, but some sort of 689 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.440 outline that you know you can go by that is, 690 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.440 don't to worry gonna have to worry about screwing anything 691 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.039 up or changing anything around. So that's what brought me there. 692 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:11.920 Uh why did I leave? That I could say before 693 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.559 I left, I knew I wasn't gonna stay too long. 694 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.920 And the OTO, Uh, I guess in between the degrees 695 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.799 sometimes there might be like, uh, things of service that 696 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.279 you could do. Sometimes as you start going higher up, 697 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.240 there might be like certain things you might have to 698 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.160 like cross off on a list, or like certain things 699 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.079 you might have to like, uh, just align with I 700 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.799 guess in order to keep going forward. Another thing with 701 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.519 the OTO, the first four degrees you're allowed to ask 702 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.279 to do. From the fifth degree on, they have to 703 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.640 ask you if you want to do. So that's like 704 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.960 you have to realize there, that's like a little it's 705 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.519 just different something. I think even at like the fourth degree, 706 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.000 you're already considered like a perfected magician, so then you know, 707 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.839 like what's past that, you know? But what I'm getting 708 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.599 at uh, yeah, I think it was after the second 709 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.440 degree when I had taken it. They were reading off 710 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.079 a list of just like certain things that could be 711 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.039 done as like service or whatever, blah blah blah in 712 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.559 between the degrees and like again, like I said, things 713 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.039 I might have to like line up. And at one 714 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.880 point they as they were going up to degrees, Uh, 715 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.839 they did mention. 716 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.720 Like whoever you were with, like I was married at 717 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.799 the time. Uh, she probably had to be a member 718 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.000 or where it started coming. 719 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.359 And I was just like, even though I've asked her 720 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.400 a comment, she's always said no. It's just like if 721 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.759 she did she showed up for a Gnostic mass, it 722 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.640 probably wouldn't went well because I mean I never told her, 723 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.480 but you know, titties come out well that ship. 724 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.079 She were like, Yo, you're getting the fuck out of 725 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.279 here and all the fucking yeah You're like, oh you've 726 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.160 been coming here that long. 727 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:53.960 Going on? 728 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.400 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah sure. But uh, I was just like, 729 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.359 all right, so that's not gonna work, okay. I my opinion, 730 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.359 I thought that's a little drastic. Yeah, oh that's just 731 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.759 fucking weird to me. It's like, what if you want 732 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.599 to break from this place like it fucking go home 733 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:09.400 and it's still there. 734 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519 You know what I'm saying, yeah, I mean uh. And 735 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:18.400 then the one thing that I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 736 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.119 I almost paused it was the eighth degree where they're like, 737 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.360 you're gonna sign over everything of your ship to the OTO. 738 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.880 Oh now it's a cult, all right, Yeah, I know 739 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.079 this at the second degree and don't go any follow 740 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.000 but I don't go too much fallow, you know what 741 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.760 I'm saying, like, this isn't uh, this isn't gonna be 742 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.760 a lifetime thing. 743 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.760 This is gonna be you know, short right. I was 744 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.440 not down with that, so that had bothered me prior. 745 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.679 You know, at that point I'd already had it in 746 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.239 my mind that I was like, this is you know again, 747 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.719 this is only going to be short lived at this point, 748 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.719 because I did find that extremely fucking weird. 749 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.159 Yeah, and then COVID. 750 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.280 Came and then this is I don't know, I feel 751 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.280 like at that point the OTO seemed to have a 752 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.639 political agenda. They closed at first, but me and a 753 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.320 couple of the members store it was a kind of silly. 754 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.079 It's just like, yo, you need to tell me Jesus 755 00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:15.400 got bigger bulls and horse right now, Like like an 756 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.639 horse is fucking scared as he hiding behind his shield, 757 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:18.320 like what the fuck? 758 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.119 Man? Like, yeah, come on. 759 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.079 Like how about Like is there's people who have balls 760 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.079 enough to go down there and open it up, and 761 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.920 there's people have balls enough to go down there and 762 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:27.480 hang out to. 763 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:28.239 Just fucking do that. 764 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.000 Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, because I know, 765 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.039 between me and other people that have been there long 766 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:34.480 enough that would have been able to do that. We 767 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.239 would have been able to go down there every fucking 768 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.320 weekend if we wanted to and actually opened something up. 769 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.400 He came out, I'm doubted, but who knows. I'm just saying, 770 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.280 were you know there whatever. I didn't agree with them 771 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:50.639 doing that. Then, like they started doing meetings on Zoom 772 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.079 and I was like, all right, you know, I hadn't 773 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.400 really gone to a meeting honestly in probably six months 774 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.199 prior to COVID, mainly because of that what we said 775 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.960 at that thing that I did after my degree. I 776 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.920 was a little balthered by that. Uh so I really 777 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.679 wasn't going back too much. And there was just there's 778 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:09.599 certain people there too that was just kind of like 779 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:10.760 just weird. 780 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.519 It was fair enough, yeah, yeah, yeah, And unfortunately it 781 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.079 was like people I kind of got close. 782 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.760 With, and I was just like, now, unfortunately, like finding 783 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.159 out you're weird or you're just like, you know, an alcoholic. 784 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.079 It's very uncomfortable. I don't know how to explain it. So, 785 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.639 uh yeah, I really wasn't going that much anymore. And 786 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.760 they started doing the zoom meetings. I'm like, you know what, 787 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.519 that's like real easy. I don't even have to show 788 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.400 my face to just have to see my name, you know. 789 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.559 I listened, I turn around, mute myself on my fucking headset, and. 790 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.320 You know, blah blah blah. 791 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.280 It looks like I showed up, you know, because I 792 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.079 still had in my head like, well, maybe I'll still 793 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.960 hang out, like maybe I'll you know, I'll do another 794 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.480 degree or two before it gets to you know, to 795 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.079 where I don't want to go anymore, you know whatever. 796 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:50.760 Might fuck myself. 797 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:56.360 And so then like one day I got an email 798 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.679 and I'm like, yo, you gotta be kidding me. They 799 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.960 had a meeting because of the George Floyd situation. I 800 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.320 was like, wait what, I'm like, this has nothing to 801 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.159 do with the magic the Book of the Law. 802 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.360 I'm like, all right, I gotta go anyway. 803 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.480 And then like it came to me like I don't 804 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.079 think it was like, I'm almost positive it came through 805 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.800 liked it to who he lodge email. That wasn't like, 806 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.079 you know, the lodge master or somebody that I was 807 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.639 cool with sent me the email through their personal email, 808 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.039 Like it came through the OTO. 809 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.000 So I was just like, really, I like, what what 810 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.280 the fuck? I was like, I gotta go check this out. 811 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.679 This's fucking bullshit. So I got there and it basically 812 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.440 like you know, they kind of went over the situation 813 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.599 and then like started going around like the room, you 814 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.480 know whatever, it's a fucking virtual rumoring. I didn't say anything. 815 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.400 This was me and like a few people skipped and. 816 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.199 People like talking about their experiences, like them experiencing racism. 817 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.079 I was like, well, first off, it's fucking weird. There's 818 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.239 only one black guy on this whole fun I was like, 819 00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:01.360 maybe should we address that first, like DICKX, let's truss that. 820 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.280 I don't know what to tell you, Like, you know, 821 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.719 I don't know the other black guy. 822 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.400 You kicked him out because he was an alcoholic, so 823 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:08.719 I mean, you have less of them. 824 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:14.159 So it was just like it was just fucking weird. 825 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.599 To start like, I was just like, what is going 826 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.400 on here? I'm like, this has nothing to. 827 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.519 Do I mean, I got cold. 828 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.239 I have white privilege for talking about this situation on 829 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.960 another which podcast, so you know, keep it on compan Yeah, 830 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.519 white privilege because I didn't understand whether fuck George Floyd's 831 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.280 being talked about in the OTO. I was like that, 832 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.079 I said, listen, what happened to that guy, if it 833 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.800 was real, was horrible. It shouldn't have happened. But that 834 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.239 had nothing to do with going against them my will whatsoever. 835 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.079 What happened to that guy, Unfortunately, if he's dead or not, 836 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:48.559 did not fucking inflict any It didn't change my world. 837 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.519 Yeah, didn't affect me. 838 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.559 So why am I going to be out in the 839 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.320 streets losing myself over that shit? 840 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.800 Yeah? You know, I just I was like, I just 841 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.719 don't agree with it. And I said, you know, the OTO. 842 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.639 Pretty much supposed to be like Alcoholics Anonymous, where we 843 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.079 have nothing to talk about except what the fuck goes 844 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.679 on in this big book, inside this room, outside of 845 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.719 these doors, have nothing to do with the fuck we're 846 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.239 talking about, just the same way as the OTO, So 847 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.440 why the fuck are we talking about George Floyd and 848 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.400 other people's experiences with racism. 849 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.119 I just found it very weird. 850 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.880 And then they started, you know, going on about oh, 851 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.320 maybe we could get protests together, and I'm like, oh, whoa, 852 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.760 Like what the fuck is going on here? Yeah? 853 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.000 I was like, Yo, this is weird. And then like 854 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.800 the one, the one black guy who was also a lawyer, 855 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:37.119 so that's running. 856 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.719 His mouth going on about like if Antifa gets deemed 857 00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.519 a terrorist, which may years later they did. 858 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:48.119 Our rights are going right out the window. We can't 859 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.239 let this happen. We'll be fucked blah blah blah blah 860 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.280 blah blah. And I was like, Yo, when did this 861 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.599 turn into? So I'm like leftist rally? Yeah, yeah that's 862 00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.599 and I was like, what the fuck happened? 863 00:39:59.599 --> 00:39:59.960 To imagine? 864 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.920 You know, like even Crawley would be like, shut the 865 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:08.079 fuck up, bitches and do magic already, you fucking we 866 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.239 probably leave that order. 867 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.320 If that guy was alive today, he'd be like, motherfuckers 868 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.719 are all bitches? Man, Like, yeah, that's super strange to me. 869 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.280 I never would have imagined that that went on. Do 870 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.920 you think it was so huge? And the George Floyd 871 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.599 thing was pretty easy to see through. I think being 872 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:27.800 not in the States as well being Canadian, Like you 873 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.039 could see when it was put out why it was 874 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.360 put out and to create more division, and it was 875 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.239 just before the election, I think too, right, yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, 876 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.239 you think that people people would see through that. 877 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.800 The COVID thing even weeded me out to where it's like, 878 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.159 all right, like this could really be coincidental, really could be. 879 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.199 But like, all right, I'm in the OTO, and like 880 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:49.920 there are people who like, if you're in the OTO, 881 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.800 you might be in the astro Argentim, or at least 882 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.800 you know of the Astronomergentim. You might eve even like 883 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.239 you know, uh, looked at the books that they suggest 884 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.760 to read or whatever, like you probably know who they are, 885 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.199 and you know that their robes are what they look like. 886 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.840 They don't have a mouthpiece on them. It's just a 887 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.119 fucking you Like it's literally like almost, I hate to say, 888 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:08.679 it almost looks like a black version. 889 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.360 Of a KKK out it. It's really weird. 890 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:12.559 And it has like the eye and the you know, 891 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.760 the thing on its forehead triangle and shit. 892 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.599 I have one, and. 893 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.639 Again like no mouthpiece and then like suggested circle size 894 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.719 is normally six feet so like when coviing came, I 895 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.400 was even like, yo, this is just like just like 896 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.239 I guess maybe because I owned one. I was like, 897 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.519 this is just so weird, Like I have my mouth's 898 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.840 covered and six feet apart, like that's what I look 899 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.440 like when I'm doing a ritual in my fucking living room. 900 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.960 Mm hmm. Wow. I don't know if that had anything 901 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:42.760 to do with it. And your eyes project out six 902 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:43.639 feet believe it or not. 903 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.280 Yeah, all that I was just like, listen, I maybe 904 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.400 from a conspiratory, you know, angle. I would still think 905 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.360 some people would be like hmm, like that seems very 906 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.760 reminiscent of like X, Y and Z. Nobody at all, 907 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.159 like not at one person I knew that was probably 908 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.440 in the OTO, and very very few people that I 909 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.880 knew were in Rich Crift and the occult community. Total, 910 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.559 you know why that I knew saw anything weird about 911 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.159 COVID Actually yeah, I was like, your motherfuckers, like, don't 912 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.480 see it. 913 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:14.239 It was kind of weird. 914 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.280 The magicians and you're getting mind fucked right now? What 915 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.840 is wrong with you? Yeah? Yeah, gives you. 916 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.559 TV fucking BLM is walking down the streets to wherever 917 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:24.679 the fuck they want right now. 918 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.840 My opinion on some of that though, was like at 919 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.039 the time, like the thing is is like these these 920 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.760 like people that do magic and stuff already sort of 921 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.320 exist out on the fringe, right, So it's like in 922 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.760 my mind, it's like there are always people that kind 923 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.559 of want to like remain in the shadows a little bit, 924 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.199 not draw attention to themselves. So my thought with all 925 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.920 of that is like, oh, these are already like organizations 926 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.920 that are probably like looked at kind of weird. So 927 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.880 they're just going lockstep just to you know, take the 928 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.800 attention off of them because you know, like I mean, 929 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.400 we saw just even Christian churches that remained open and stuff. 930 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:06.119 We're getting persecuted during that time for all that, right, 931 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.880 So I mean imagine if yeah, if the oto was like, well. 932 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.199 We're staying running ceremonies, you know, the but if it's 933 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.719 a secret society, you know what I mean, you think 934 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.639 they would at least say at the meetings, you know, 935 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.320 we're just doing this to show show face or you 936 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.119 know what I mean, to get it off a good image. 937 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.760 We don't actually met any of these things. Going to 938 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.119 what he talked about, it's crazy. 939 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.199 Another thing too, they eventually sent an email out out 940 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.239 on that, and I don't know if you know, like 941 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.559 if you ever heard them say ninety three, you know, 942 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.199 it's like a you know, the limic thing. 943 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.800 Now, I know, I would assume because they didn't ask me, 944 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.599 they didn't ask Jordan, they didn't ask Jason, they didn't 945 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.320 ask Michael, and I think there was one other person. 946 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.039 It's only I know that's only five people or whatever, 947 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.239 but there was a handful of us that I know. 948 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:50.760 We never got an email for it. 949 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.400 We got this email saying that ninety three percent of 950 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.599 the lodge is not comfortable with opening up again unless 951 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:57.320 we're vaccinated. 952 00:43:58.599 --> 00:43:59.880 Was I never got that email? 953 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.280 Wow? So where did you get this ninety three percent 954 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.280 from fucking the line? Yeah, you threw ninety three in 955 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.639 there to probably sound cute for the fucking Elemites. Oh yeah, 956 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.280 and they just fucking ran with it and accepted it. Yeah. 957 00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.199 So do you think that someone high up knew what 958 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.079 was going on and still just wanted to keep the 959 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.000 sy up going or like, that's that's crazy. 960 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.000 I don't, I'll be totally honest with you. 961 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.159 I choke. 962 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.880 No, Yeah, you wouldn't, really. 963 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:28.960 I mean, there's a lot of things with that organization 964 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.639 that I don't understand. I mean, I've even said at 965 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.840 times I think I think it's quite possible if could 966 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:35.920 be CIA. 967 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.320 I said at this point, Yeah, well, I know, like 968 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.760 so I don't know what what you know, demographic kind 969 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.679 of makes up a lot of the OTO, but I know, 970 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.280 with like Freemasons and stuff, like all the Masons I 971 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.760 know are fairly like affluent people, like they're either lawyers 972 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.159 or they're like, you know, business owners and things like that. 973 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.719 Even thing, dude, I experienced it. It was doctors, lawyers, 974 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.360 people own their own businesses. 975 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.599 People that walked in there that the way people you 976 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.639 see people walk in there like they're from the craft, 977 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.800 you know, a very cop. You know, it looks like 978 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.840 they came out from an interview with the vampire ship. 979 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.559 There's a guy who like literally like almost dress like 980 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:14.880 that was like fucking Jesus Christ. 981 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.440 Well, you'd have people from there to so many roads, 982 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.079 just like what the fuck are you doing here? 983 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.519 Yeah, you know, I think I think though, like with 984 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.559 these secret societies and stuff, they end up attracting people 985 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:27.760 like that because it's all you're already like, so if 986 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.559 you're a doctor, right, like you're already in this in 987 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.559 this world of status, like you put a lot of academics, 988 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.239 believe it or not, we're very, very interested in that ship. 989 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.880 And it makes me wonder if it's if it is 990 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.039 has more to do with the hierarchical, like, you know, 991 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.880 just being a part of something that's a step above 992 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.519 the average schmuck. You know, you know, I hear what 993 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.119 you're saying, and in that sense, it's like they're you know, 994 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.239 they're it's just their ego driving them there a lot 995 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.480 of the time. And sure, maybe you can like you 996 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.159 can still learn magic, and you can still learn about 997 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:08.440 something without understanding the the actual meaning behind it. Just 998 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:10.360 like you know, you have the Sunday Christians that are 999 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.760 go to church and they're all nice to everyone and 1000 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.880 oh yeah they have a family man, and then they're like, 1001 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.360 you know, fucking their secretary on on Monday to Friday. 1002 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.320 You know, like it's oh yeah, yeah, there was plenty 1003 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.480 of I mean, I'm pretty sure every place has that, 1004 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.679 but there's definitely like the OTO is definitely filled that 1005 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.440 type of version of people as well. In my opinion, Yeah, 1006 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.159 but my much. 1007 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:31.519 Of the work. 1008 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:33.599 But they think that they show up and do some 1009 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:37.880 psycho drama and whatever. Well exactly, and that's kind of 1010 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.039 my that's kind of my point with it is like 1011 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.159 when I was looking, I was doing some research for 1012 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.400 this and just like looking into the OTO and and 1013 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.400 different orders, and then there's you know, you get the 1014 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.280 guys that kind of fall outside of that, that are 1015 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:55.360 very against like the hierarchy of it all. What was 1016 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.559 the guy I've I've found like Phil Hines and Grant 1017 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.480 Morrison was like another guy found that. Like they're like 1018 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.440 self self proclaimed prat practitioners, but and and it with 1019 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.320 that style of magic, but they're not like they don't 1020 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.760 believe in the hierarchy. They don't believe in the order. 1021 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.119 It's sort of it's like, you know, I. 1022 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.199 Don't exactly well yeah, I I I say, like my no, 1023 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.800 well maybe myself to an extent would be like I 1024 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.960 find something there in the LIMA, but I don't align 1025 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.679 with the UTO. Yeah, Like I'm having Georgina rose On, 1026 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.000 she's not a Note to YO member, but she practices 1027 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:29.760 the LIMC magic. 1028 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:31.960 M hm. So I don't know if that's what you're 1029 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.280 kind of getting at, like somebody who Yeah, well, I 1030 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:36.679 just I'm I I guess I was just kind of 1031 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.639 getting at like, it doesn't surprise me that there's a 1032 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.199 good chunk of there's a lot of people that do 1033 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.440 do that. Yeah, that are just you know, in it 1034 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.920 for the status of it, not in it for Oh okay, 1035 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:48.840 yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, I was even 1036 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:49.320 gonna say this. 1037 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.000 I guess what I'm trying to get as even a 1038 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.880 lot of people out there who don't align with these 1039 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.719 orders but still practice the magic solidarity too. 1040 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:57.840 Oh okay, that's a big thing as well, believe it 1041 00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:58.039 or not. 1042 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.760 Huh, there's probably more people practicing with the Limke Magic 1043 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.239 at home than there is in the order, right, I mean, 1044 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:06.840 I'll keep it real and it's like I kind of 1045 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.719 bragging it not but like I have more people that listen. 1046 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.840 To my podcast and there is members of the OTO 1047 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:12.400 at this point. 1048 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.119 M okay, yeah, do you think there's a danger in 1049 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.119 people doing it? Maybe not a danger is the right word, 1050 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.280 Like full disclosure. I think I've went over this on 1051 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.840 a few of our other podcasts. This stuff scares me 1052 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.159 a little bit, not scares me like in the world sense, 1053 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:28.880 just if it was something I had to go through. 1054 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.159 Crossing that threshold is something that would even the thought 1055 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.239 of it scares me. And can things come about from 1056 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:41.880 people just practicing it at home? From right? Can things 1057 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.280 be open? Can things be people? 1058 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.599 The oto would have said said it, I would say 1059 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.119 almost ninety nine percent of everybody in there that was 1060 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.800 worth listening to all would say the same thing. 1061 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.559 The magic happens at home when you doing it yourself. 1062 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.920 You come here, Yes, you're doing things collectively, and maybe 1063 00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:59.440 there might be a little bit of you know, something 1064 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.199 going on, but it really is magic is a personal 1065 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.079 Like if I'm saying what I think it is for myself, 1066 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.599 have any experience with God that is extremely personal? 1067 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.000 You know that's not happening when you're out with your friends. 1068 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.159 That's happening when you're home, like like at your altar, 1069 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.320 crying to God for something to change, you know, shit 1070 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.960 like that is when that will happen. That that then 1071 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:26.400 mm hmm. And that so like to Mike's point though, 1072 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:27.159 then is there like. 1073 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.000 There's a lot of benefits to it? I think on 1074 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:30.440 your own? 1075 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.599 Yeah, is there like malproducts it is. Let's say, if. 1076 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.000 You're gonna say, you know what, I'm gonna get into 1077 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:37.800 ceremonial magic, and I'll tell you the first thing you 1078 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.000 should do is get into meditation, and then I can 1079 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.039 list ten other things. If you just get to meditation 1080 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.360 and never even go past that, you fucking got. 1081 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.920 It all right. You're doing good because, believe it or not, 1082 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:48.360 I don't think you once. 1083 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.760 For me, once I had a magical experience. All I 1084 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.679 need to do after that is meditate to do it 1085 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.480 over again. I got to do no ritual. I'm gonna 1086 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.719 call down, call down this, X, Y and Z all 1087 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.199 that bullshit. I close my eyes and I know way 1088 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:06.280 to go right right. You've built the pathway there already. Yeah, yes, 1089 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.079 I mean that's a I think as a personal if 1090 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:15.119 you really my my from my experience, I do think 1091 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.039 on your own you can literally have an experience with God. Yeah, 1092 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.000 I do think he will. He will give you that chance. 1093 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:23.840 You just have to go to him. He's not coming 1094 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:25.639 to you. So I'm saying, you gonna be calling God 1095 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.119 into your fucking living room. You are gonna have to 1096 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.320 go to the other side. And in order to do that, why, 1097 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.880 I think another reason death is part of it. You're 1098 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:41.239 going you have to give up every fucking thing, everything. 1099 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.519 It is the ultimate sacrifice if you want to fucking 1100 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.880 actually talk to God. You're gonna have to give up 1101 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.440 all this shit you've fallen in love with before him, It's. 1102 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.119 All gotta go. You gotta leave the flesh. That's my opinion. 1103 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.280 That's the the whole ego death thing, right, like part 1104 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:56.440 of it. 1105 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:57.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1106 00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.679 And in that experience when you are, when I feel 1107 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.840 my self coming out of it, it literally feels like 1108 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.559 that's what's melting off of me, fear, anxiety, and hate, all. 1109 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:06.559 The ship my ego was. 1110 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.320 Is you literally like you feel like you're becoming weightless. 1111 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.800 Yeah, all those emotions just fucking dissipate and all you 1112 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:14.960 feel is love and that's it. 1113 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.960 M Like I can say, but like I've I've never 1114 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.239 done like magical practice, but I've I've messed around with 1115 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:26.760 psychedelics enough to have kind of been in that in 1116 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.199 that space before you know it? Is it the same thing? 1117 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.159 Is it like that when you're in that like heroic 1118 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.599 like heroes dose mushroom trip and you're like, you know, 1119 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.159 you die because I've had that happen where it's like 1120 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.079 I'm like, yeah, I'm dead, like this is this is 1121 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.360 where I am now? Is Is it comparable or are 1122 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:44.960 you talking about as different. 1123 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:45.719 It's interesting. 1124 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.320 I've done a lot of like hallucinogenics, a lot of 1125 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.400 acids and shroops. I never did d MT, though I've 1126 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.440 done Mescalona for you a few times. Any experiences I've 1127 00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.079 had with that, I not really. But the weird thing is, 1128 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.360 though what I could attribute it to and this this 1129 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.840 might get a little weird. Every time I've ever had 1130 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.079 a magical experience, that experience itself. 1131 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.159 Has always been beautiful. There's nothing ever been negative about it. 1132 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.239 Coming back and opening up my eyes just my opinion, 1133 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:16.800 You're gonna have. 1134 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.559 To realize your world's going to. 1135 00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.159 Change every time that happens, because there's gonna be new 1136 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.679 truths that you've experienced or sore or just things that 1137 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.280 make sense now that is probably going to fracture beliefs 1138 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.480 that you've had since you can remember. That's can sometimes 1139 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:36.440 be rough, and I would say times when I've it's 1140 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.679 gonna sound crazy because A're going to raise Sometimes i'd 1141 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.280 smoke PCP you get dippies, And there's been a few 1142 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.880 times when I've smoked that shit to where it made 1143 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.760 me feel like I was like like literally like one 1144 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.880 questioning if I've actually like lost my mind and that 1145 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.920 actually like felt very much the same when I came back, 1146 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.960 like the actual real like almost terror, like a terror. 1147 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.320 Within yourself, like fuck, did I really snap? 1148 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.039 You know, worrying about that like it's real that or 1149 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.320 then the whole Like there's been times on it when 1150 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:11.840 I really felt like my head was removed from my 1151 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.760 body and I was just like kind of witnessing. 1152 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.000 That I felt on PCP. 1153 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.440 That's a little bit like kind of experience I've. 1154 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.559 Had with magic, but never I've had plenty of people 1155 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.159 we've even told me my experience sounds very close to 1156 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.880 their follocentogenic trips like you're talking about. 1157 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:28.480 But I don't. 1158 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.960 I've never seen a connection too much. I mean I 1159 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.079 may not have, you know, I always kind of stuck 1160 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.000 to like, you know, splitting an eighth with the friends 1161 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.159 of Shrooms quarter, so maybe you know, maybe I don't know. 1162 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:46.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're the similarities between what you saw 1163 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:47.039 and what they saw. 1164 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.679 Like a lot of times when I talk about, uh, 1165 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.679 some people they are that eclipse were kind of like. 1166 00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:01.360 Spirals of like colors or geometric symbols stuff like that. 1167 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.679 I've had people say that they've they've seen. 1168 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:04.039 That or. 1169 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.719 Again it sometimes there's a lot of things that I 1170 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:12.559 can't even really describe, yeah, because there isn't just like 1171 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.000 it almost like it doesn't exist in this. 1172 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.039 World to have words for. 1173 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.320 But the colors can get very different, almost like almost 1174 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.599 like like you're looking at like a thermal camera type 1175 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:28.880 of color. I've had some people that I have thought 1176 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:30.760 that the way I've tried to describe the way things 1177 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.239 looked in the color and the texture, even the texture 1178 00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.719 at times looked a little different. People seem to have 1179 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.400 said that they've seen that on a DMT lit mushrooms. 1180 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.000 Yeah. I've had people tell me, well, it's not like yeah, 1181 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.360 to me, it sounds a lot just like like frequency perception, right, 1182 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.199 like you know, there's the whole thing that we can 1183 00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.119 only see what is it, like thirteen percent of the 1184 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.000 actual whole color spectrum. 1185 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.400 And oh yeah, things like that real quick. 1186 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.519 I'm talking about the eyeballs and how important they are 1187 00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.480 in a cult symbolism. Well, that's one of the reasons 1188 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.559 that if you start looking, if. 1189 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.760 You look up animals, insects or whatever that all have 1190 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:05.840 like better eyes than us or can see more of 1191 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.000 this spectrum. You'll be like, oh wow, okay, yeah, that 1192 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.599 i've seen in a cold symbolism that I've seen in 1193 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.599 a cold symbolism that I've seen it cold, just not 1194 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.800 seeing similarities like something special. 1195 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.880 To do with the others. Just wanted to throw that out. Yeah, 1196 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.199 well well no and then that's yeah, that was kind 1197 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.039 of my point was like it sounds to me like 1198 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.760 what's Yeah, what's happening is like you're opening up. It's like, 1199 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.519 you know, the the eyes of perception, like you're you're 1200 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.559 just like expanding that that lens that you're able to 1201 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:32.280 see things through. 1202 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.960 Right, So yo, the whole shell of a scorpion is 1203 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.320 a written Really that's insane. 1204 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.039 Huh. 1205 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.119 Do you know about cat eyes? The only other animals 1206 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.719 of eyes like a cat or reptiles they have reptilian yeah, 1207 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.480 house cats they don't. Like big cats don't have the 1208 00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:53.280 same eyes as house cats. Yeah, maybe that's what they 1209 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:53.920 can see everything. 1210 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.559 Yeah anyway, Yeah, well I mean this. 1211 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.440 Yeah, actually you're faster than snakes too when it comes 1212 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.159 to reaction time. Really, oh yeah, they actually are. 1213 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:08.039 Yeah. Yeah, a cat will just that'll smack the shit 1214 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.039 out of a fucking sneak all. 1215 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.039 Day for the most Yeah, you're even go look it 1216 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:13.880 up in reaction times you'd be like, holy shit, a 1217 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:15.079 cat is actually fastive? 1218 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.320 Huh that's cool. Yeah, yeah, I don't know it was. 1219 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.639 I don't know why the fuck I know this shit? 1220 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.440 Yeah? 1221 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.199 Funny the stuff I remember? Yeah yeah yeah, yeah right, 1222 00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.039 especially when it comes to animals. 1223 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, another thing. 1224 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:32.840 I've been really interested in them lately. 1225 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:34.159 I don't know if it's because I just didn't pay 1226 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.960 attention to them enough in like the last twenty or 1227 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.800 thirty years, but like, I feel like the animals are 1228 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.960 even certain pet scene laser. It's kind of getting a 1229 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.599 little bit more like I'm not human but like self aware. 1230 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.639 And I've been wondering, like, yo, like if there is 1231 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.119 like people want to talk about this whole like it's 1232 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:53.360 nice to think of some hole like I guess leveling 1233 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.920 up consciously, you know what I'm saying. But if there 1234 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.199 is something along those terms, where did that go with 1235 00:56:58.400 --> 00:56:59.239 everything alive? 1236 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:00.679 Yeah? 1237 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:01.159 Why not? 1238 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:02.679 Just why only humans? You know? 1239 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:03.599 Could that be for everything? 1240 00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:05.280 So that means like what, you know, could my cat 1241 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.880 actually start getting a little bit more intelligent? Yeah? 1242 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.199 Well, I mean or could we like not telepathically, but 1243 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:12.840 could we actually read each other just better? 1244 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.440 Yeah? Well, there's that that whole that whole topic now 1245 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.480 where like the Earth's magnetic field is weakening, right, so 1246 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.480 we're getting these we're getting light codes or whatever. You know, 1247 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:24.440 if you're into the whole New age thing, people think 1248 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.039 that you're getting we're upgrading basically. 1249 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:32.760 And they're not fighting it. Humans would fight it start right, 1250 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:34.880 Like a lot of people would fight getting an upgrade. 1251 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.599 They wouldn't want it or wouldn't even know what it was, 1252 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.039 you know what I mean, whereas an animal is just 1253 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:39.679 going to take it in. 1254 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.119 Yeah, I think it's something crazy when it comes to 1255 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.119 the eyeballs, uh, and it called symbolism and just stuff 1256 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.159 that I think is weird. If you want to look 1257 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.760 at like basically our eyes pick up life from the sun. 1258 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.360 It goes inside our eyeballs, you know, bounces around off 1259 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:56.719 the lens and does all this other shit. 1260 00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.079 But then that's something light. 1261 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.960 When it hits your optic nerve gets trans gets turned 1262 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.559 into the like electricity, the electric pulse that the rest 1263 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.760 of your body runs on. So I mean we're basically 1264 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.800 being powered technically from the sun through our eyes and 1265 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.039 there's code in there that our brain is also decoding, 1266 00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.639 and it turns like I said, then turns into electricity 1267 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.719 and then sends it down into your nerves. Yeah, so 1268 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.480 we even think of like when you're looking at something 1269 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:26.639 that fucking bothers you, when you feel that go through 1270 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:30.159 your body, that's I mean, think that's the relationship from 1271 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.519 your sight, from your eye, and now how your brain's 1272 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:33.119 gonna perceive it. 1273 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.280 And now your nerves go flood with that of a 1274 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.800 fucking feeling you you have to well, yeah, and to 1275 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.880 take it into a conspiratorial angle, right, Like it makes 1276 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:43.599 sense then why they're trying to block out the sun, 1277 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.519 makes sense, why they're spraying all the ship in the 1278 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.639 sky to make it gray all the time? Right, Like, No, 1279 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.960 that's all that sun is is fucking code man. Yeah, yeah, 1280 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:52.840 for surely. 1281 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.079 I mean if you even think about like the way 1282 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.920 you don't just look at the way our fucking internet works, 1283 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.039 I mean it's anything Asy's Kirtry even said this back 1284 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:03.400 in like the fifteen to sixteen hundreds. 1285 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.519 He detart He said he's a Jesuit priest, but in 1286 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.079 occultas said that in the future, with light in crystals, 1287 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.159 I think we'll be able to transport spirits and demons. 1288 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.320 And if you think about the way our screens work 1289 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.159 and our phones work, and the way the Internet work 1290 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.360 with optical is just basically light flashing down a fucking 1291 00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:22.159 tube of wire until it gets put into Wi Fi 1292 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.159 or whatever. That's just light and code and light and 1293 00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.519 then crystals on our screens to see what it's saying. 1294 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.119 That motherfucking nailed it. 1295 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.679 Yeah well so yeah, well, I mean like quantum computing. 1296 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.079 We we just did an episode on on quantum computing 1297 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.800 and the way the like architects of that view it 1298 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:43.480 is is actually like jumping into parallel universes. It's not 1299 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.840 it's not a computing thing to them. This is interdimensional like. 1300 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.039 Shoe it is if you really start looking at the 1301 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:50.960 shit of how this stuff works, so it can get 1302 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.119 really like, what are we really doing with this technology? 1303 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:54.719 Yeah? 1304 00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.320 Yeah, well, I mean we listen, we're slaves to it ourselves. 1305 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.280 This is how we do our show. But you're not 1306 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:01.000 thinking about You're like. 1307 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:01.519 What the fuck? 1308 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:03.239 Yeah, I don't know. 1309 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:05.559 Yeah, I mean. 1310 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:08.760 This it's a little weird if you think about it. 1311 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.320 And I mean, on one hand, it all just exists, 1312 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.920 and it's how it hads it like magic, right, it's 1313 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.840 how you use it that determines the impact that it 1314 01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:20.800 has on the world. So I mean it's like, yeah, 1315 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.119 this technology exists, and there's a bunch of people trying 1316 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:24.719 to use it to control people, and then there's a 1317 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.400 bunch of people trying to like plant seeds and open 1318 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.960 people's minds with it. You know, you know, your wings 1319 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.400 are the same bird doing the same thing. You know. 1320 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.320 Another thing I find that like weirds me out too. 1321 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:39.000 With like all this technology, it always and if it's 1322 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.280 just if this sounds or sight or or whatever anything 1323 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.960 like that involved, everything always has a fucking magnet. 1324 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.599 M you can't do it without a magnet. Our speakers 1325 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.039 all need a fucking magnet. Ye, these hard rize and magnets. 1326 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:56.760 Like wait, what the fuck is up with that? Man? 1327 01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.440 Like this is like the monolith and two thousand and 1328 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.000 one space, I say, like what the fuck? 1329 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:02.840 I don't know, it's just weird when you saw I thinking, 1330 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.519 you know, and how you know, magnetism is huge. 1331 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.719 I think in the occult, you know, electricity and magnetism 1332 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.199 I think could really boil everything down. But like I 1333 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.000 don't know, just even like for an occult is like 1334 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.599 if they never really started looking at things like that, 1335 01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.199 Like that's fucking weird. 1336 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.559 M hm. Why do you always need a magnet in 1337 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.519 order to create sounds? And it's all about polarity, Well, 1338 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:28.760 if you want to project it from somewhere else, yeah yeah. 1339 01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:32.760 Yeah, it's uh and then travels like an electric pulse 1340 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:34.800 like our fucking sun does to our life. 1341 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:39.079 I mean, magnetism was considered magic when it was first 1342 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.880 brought to the fort, like people who just assumed it 1343 01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.239 was magic. You know, you can create, you can displace 1344 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:49.079 objects and create space between objects using magnets, right, so 1345 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.519 like on a large scale, think of that, right, like. 1346 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.719 Yeah, or even like yeah, like your cassette tech in 1347 01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.079 your old car, like and then it's running wires which 1348 01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.119 are like our veins down to the fucking speakers that 1349 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:00.920 have a magnet the pump about the sound that's coming 1350 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:01.800 from that cassette. 1351 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.400 Yeah, but even I mean I'm saying like on a 1352 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.360 on a large scale, like we have to talk about 1353 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.199 other planets and stuff and the other dimensions, Like is 1354 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.559 it just like opposing magnets, you know what I mean? 1355 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.199 Like that space or. 1356 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.519 That's what I think even happens with the polar shifts, 1357 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:23.480 the magnetic shift changes. Yeah, you know unfortunately. You know, 1358 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:27.840 I think if I'm correct, like two or three planets 1359 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.400 in succession have done it now. Yeah, so like the 1360 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:32.119 next Toms. 1361 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.639 I hate to say, like, that's probably what's going calm 1362 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:35.320 down the line. 1363 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.880 Yeah yeah, I mean there's to be glow about it. 1364 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:42.880 If you get another one or two planets that flip, 1365 01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.239 I'd be like, fuck, this doesn't look good coming down 1366 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:50.920 the road. Yeah, we might just get warm, warm winters. 1367 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:53.119 You know, you guys will be like, oh, it's like 1368 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:54.679 Florida now exactly. 1369 01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.920 There's a lot you guys, probably the craziest fertile ground 1370 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:02.599 that ship throws out the show Man. 1371 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.880 The ship you guys could grow would be fucking no kidding. 1372 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:10.280 Yeah, I'm thinking weed and fucking I'm thinking weed and 1373 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.280 coffee beans right away. 1374 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:17.920 That's that's probably all I grow. That's Toto's an egg plant. 1375 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:28.400 So I've italian self right on. Yeah, we've kind of 1376 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.239 we've kind of jumped all over the place a little bit. 1377 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.840 I got I got a whole bunch of questions. I 1378 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.280 wanted to kind of get back to you. So you 1379 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:37.320 know you were you were saying, uh, with with the 1380 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.119 rituals and and and bringing your wife at the time 1381 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.679 and then the titties coming out. This was one of 1382 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.559 one of my main questions about it, and with gnosticism 1383 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.000 and all that stuff, is I feel like one of 1384 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.920 the like main attractors too sort of you know, is 1385 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:55.079 the sex magic side of it. And it's you know 1386 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:57.920 what I mean, And it just becomes this like focal 1387 01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.800 point of it when I think, like, and everything I've 1388 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:02.920 read about it is you don't even actually get to 1389 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.400 like really partake in that part of it until you're 1390 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.000 way way higher up in the order, right, Like, it's 1391 01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:13.000 like sex magic is sort of there for the well initiated, 1392 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.480 it's not you know, it's like you're just joining the 1393 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.280 OTO and jumping into a Friday night orgy kind of thing. 1394 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:22.119 But oh yeah, uh all right real quick, if your 1395 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:27.000 orgy every two years, the OTO does notokon. And that's 1396 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.239 like the conference now you probably I've heard I've never 1397 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:32.920 gone to one. I've heard that if you go when 1398 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:35.719 you're in nerval or a first degree No, I think 1399 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:37.519 you have to be first degree. In my bed, if 1400 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:40.000 you go, probably won't happen if you're a nerval but 1401 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.360 first degree if you get tapped on the shoulder, and 1402 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.360 ask to come back to somebody's room. It's probably because 1403 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:46.280 I haven't an orgy or they're letting their wife like 1404 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.199 get you know, fucking just have a train run them out. 1405 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.679 Believe it. I'm sweat to god, sweater god. I knew 1406 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.079 people who did that shit that personally, Like I knew 1407 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.719 them through the internet through like felemic fucking groups on. 1408 01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:00.079 Facebook that that did that shit, and so like that. 1409 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.119 I actually say that that is real that if you 1410 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:04.599 go to one of those things, that that might actually 1411 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:07.360 be going on in a hotel room somewhere that wherever 1412 01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:08.360 that convention is happening. 1413 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:13.719 But in the order itself, there's been things. 1414 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.920 Higher up that I will say, like I don't know 1415 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.760 if I could you know that much, I could probably 1416 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:22.760 really defend that does seem like it is possibly sex magic. 1417 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.199 I it was still very questionable on. 1418 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.440 That if it's actual sex. 1419 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.480 But uh, I yeah, that would if anything like that 1420 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.360 from the things that I have heard claims about with 1421 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.000 certain degrees going high up, Yeah, that's not gonna happen 1422 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:38.880 until like you're up. 1423 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:39.360 There up there. 1424 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:43.000 Yeah, I feel like there was another question. 1425 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.480 Well I sort of just like that, like I just 1426 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.440 my it was kind of an open ended question, But 1427 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.000 I just sort of think, like I I kind of 1428 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.360 seem to notice that it's what attracts a lot of like, yes. 1429 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.239 That's going to go on with that, I was gonna 1430 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:02.960 go on unfortunately unfortunate. You are very correct on that, though. Yeah, 1431 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.239 I will say for some reason, I'm just gonna keep 1432 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:06.599 it real. 1433 01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:09.800 Selemac magic and chaos magic seem. 1434 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.519 To have very much that kind of like a sex 1435 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:14.840 sexualized connotation with it. 1436 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.159 You know. That's because like when it comes to chaos magic, 1437 01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:23.000 there's like a few ideas or ways people will charge 1438 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:26.519 their sigils to do their cigal work, mantras, a. 1439 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:32.480 Few other things in masturbating is one of them. So 1440 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.199 there's a lot of people who I think or you know, 1441 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.239 kind of get into it, probably just looking for a 1442 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:40.000 friend to freak off with. 1443 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.000 Le'll be totally honest with you. 1444 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.000 I think, like what you're getting at, that's an edge 1445 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.719 for them, and they're probably just looking to find somebody. 1446 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:54.280 Or they're finding it as a they're probably sexually sick. 1447 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:55.760 Was put it that way. 1448 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.559 You know, they're probably looking for a place to keep 1449 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:02.320 to keep some sort of thing going that they're into. 1450 01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:04.280 You know this might work out if I want to 1451 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.800 be a sexual debate getting into chaos magic. I'm interested 1452 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:10.000 in magic. I'm interested in chaos magic. I'm interested in magic, 1453 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.360 and I'm I want to find some you know, easy 1454 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:13.400 people to freak off with. 1455 01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.719 I know the oto has a sexual connotation to it, 1456 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.039 Fuck it, I'm just fu going there. 1457 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.280 Yeah, unfortunately, I know people were probably into this shit. 1458 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.880 Don't want to hear it, but it's fucking true. 1459 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.599 Well yeah, real when it comes to the occult, that's 1460 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.239 a hot bed of mental health to begin with. 1461 01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:31.199 Yeah, yeah, let's just keep it real. You know that's 1462 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:33.119 saying I was fucking perfect. I'm fucking I know I'm 1463 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:33.519 weird too. 1464 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.679 Oh yeah, I know that. Yeah I'm not. Yeah, I'm 1465 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:37.719 no pillar of mental health. 1466 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.639 Yeah yeah, I'm just not that weird. 1467 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:42.559 Like if I think someone's weird at that point, it's 1468 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.800 probably bad because I believe it or not. I am 1469 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.239 pretty you know, open to like whatever you want your 1470 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.960 own home. I don't give a shit really, yeah for sure. 1471 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:52.840 Yeah, I just feel like I kind of stay like 1472 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.480 I And again I'm not I'm not judging. I don't care. 1473 01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:58.480 Whatever you want to let your freak flag fly. 1474 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.679 I don't really care, but but yeah, but it's just 1475 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:03.599 like I feel like it almost like there's all these 1476 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:07.199 things that kind of like put the stain on practicing magic, 1477 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:12.039 whereas it's like, you know, and that's separated from sort 1478 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:13.159 of mainstream religion. 1479 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.159 And I've never really seen the difference, like when I've 1480 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:18.359 been to Catholic I have Catholic family, and I've been 1481 01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:21.159 to Catholic masses, and I'm like, how is this not magic? 1482 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.000 Like people are fucking crazy if you think that this 1483 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:27.800 is not magic, Like you're performing a ritual, there's a 1484 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.640 ceremony going on, Like how is this a uh, you know, 1485 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.680 a moral version of magic? And yet like you know, 1486 01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:39.640 individualized practice magic is the devil, Like I just you 1487 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:44.800 know what I mean. So yeah, I don't know that 1488 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.920 that was really that was my point with it. It's 1489 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.520 just sort of there's like it it's I feel like 1490 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.239 people focus on that side of it as a way 1491 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:57.479 to disparage actually like you know, looking into what the 1492 01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:58.800 stuff actually means. 1493 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.720 And oh yeah, people are actually trying to accomplished even 1494 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.680 when you look into it, like a Nochian magic like that. 1495 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:06.880 Because this is something that I had to learn about 1496 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.399 over the last month. I didn't know very much about it, 1497 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.359 and I had to research and research, but it seems 1498 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:15.159 like in every turn there's wife swapping. The first thing 1499 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.840 when you read about the OTO or try to that 1500 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.680 the way you, at least me, I ended up going 1501 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:24.760 was the Babylon Working and that you know what I mean, 1502 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.439 that sex magic one hundred percent and that's and today's 1503 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:31.840 the eightieth anniversary of the first first day. 1504 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.880 Of that, by the way, Synchronicity. 1505 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.399 What are your thoughts on on the Babylon Babylon Working? 1506 01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:43.399 Is there any thoughts at all? Just just kind of 1507 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.399 what we were talking about to kind of disparage the 1508 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.000 OTO and give it a bad name. 1509 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:50.720 Culmination of a bunch of things. I think they're probably 1510 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:56.119 were They're fucking around doing something. But uh I I 1511 01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.840 because of I'm trying to think a way to word it. 1512 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:06.119 I think Hubbard's I don't know how much about Parsons 1513 01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.479 by Parsons, Yeah, Unfortunately, with Lockeed Martin and Crowley, I 1514 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.000 think we're involved in the government a lot more than 1515 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.880 more people think. I think they actually had something to 1516 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:21.760 do with MK Ultro as well, or some Crowley did, 1517 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:24.880 at least by far and I think part of Hubbard 1518 01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:28.800 did as well, that a long story short is that 1519 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.119 we also got to give you some story and some 1520 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.680 bullshit story about why they're paling around then what they 1521 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:36.560 were really doing. 1522 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.079 So why not why not just say they're all butt 1523 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:40.760 fucking each other? 1524 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:42.680 Yeah, fair enough. 1525 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:45.399 I mean they probably weren't too, you know. 1526 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:50.000 Yeah, It's just I do think that there's just times 1527 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:52.439 Crowley came to New York, went to mon talk. There's 1528 01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:55.039 certain things that that guy's done, certain doctors that he's 1529 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:59.399 come across him. The thing with him too, when Parsons, 1530 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.560 you look at the chicks therewith at certain times. 1531 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.760 Follow their last names. These motherfuckers were hooked up with 1532 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:06.560 Lockheed Martin. 1533 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.640 Bitches man that I was gonna say. So the Babylon, 1534 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.560 the Babylon working woman was at Marjorie Cameron like so 1535 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:17.600 when you look into her life, she was I lived 1536 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.840 somewhere in the Midwest, I think Iowa or something like that. 1537 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.039 Then during the war, worked for the Navy, worked at 1538 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:23.720 the White House. 1539 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:26.920 Yeah, if you were to look at stan right the 1540 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.560 females around with, you'll see you'll see a little bit 1541 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.680 more of a connection of what you can really find 1542 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:34.640 out about you know them, you know crole. 1543 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:41.680 Or the exactly too much of their story. Yeah, and 1544 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.439 that was the old Cohos came across. They were looking 1545 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.039 at the women and they were like, Yo, this ship 1546 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.680 is shady. Yeah. 1547 01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:54.159 And then Jack Parsons died and she joined like the 1548 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.800 beatnik kind of group, almost like she was infiltrating that group. 1549 01:11:57.840 --> 01:11:59.640 And then she went to San Francisco and then she 1550 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:01.520 went to La and the whole time she was in 1551 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.239 all these weird a cult adjacent kind of groups, you 1552 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.720 know what I mean. Well, it's always she's very odd. 1553 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:09.239 And the only picture you find of her from the 1554 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:11.000 forties she's in a navy outfit. 1555 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.279 It's funny how it's Yeah, it's funny how that always 1556 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.319 seems to work that way because even like to jump 1557 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.199 back to you know, the Charlie Kirk stuff, like the 1558 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:22.479 whole Erica Kirk thing, like she she's kind of kind 1559 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:23.960 of looks like she's a bit of a handler, you 1560 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.199 know what I mean, Like that's that sha looks insane. 1561 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:27.640 It was like, Yo, was she like a spy? 1562 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:31.159 Well yeah, yeah, right, like really weird dude. 1563 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.640 Yeah, yeah, you could dig into you can dig into 1564 01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:38.520 anyone that's been kind of like I look at Yoko Ono, 1565 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.359 I mean right, like John Lennon was onto something Yoko 1566 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:47.640 Ona made him look crazy and broke up the Beatles. 1567 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.560 I mean people, I know people argue that, but let's 1568 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.560 face it, she did and you. 1569 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:54.640 Know, go off and regardless, you know what I'm saying. 1570 01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:58.359 Well yeah, yeah, but but you know, like where does 1571 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.720 she come from? Well, she comes from the like the 1572 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.520 fine art world, like the high like where you know that. 1573 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.760 You know, some some fucking plants we did well yeah, yeah, 1574 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:12.439 New York artist is like a very It's it's a 1575 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:16.039 blanket term for I worked for the CIA, yeah. 1576 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.000 Yeah, and like yeah that was even like other things too. 1577 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:20.359 It's like I don't know if it was it was 1578 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:23.319 it Crawley, Yeah, I think that somebody there was, Like 1579 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:25.439 I think him and other people have been known to 1580 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.439 like their spots in the city have been known to 1581 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:30.840 like the CIA has used them to put other people 1582 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.000 in these places as well. Mm hmm. 1583 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.600 So it's like, come on, like this is just a 1584 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.359 known like spot toed Age. 1585 01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:43.600 It's just working out them now really famous people actually, yeah, so. 1586 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.640 As justin Epstein kind of thing long long, long ago, 1587 01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.840 the Golden Order their Hamta Don same thing. There's a 1588 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.359 few people from that who are like, we're spies in 1589 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:56.279 World War two mm and well known that algann On 1590 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.600 Blackwood guy was one for sure. Yeah, so it makes 1591 01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:02.600 sense intelligent intelligence gathering. 1592 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:04.840 Yeah. Oh, I think a real occult is like a 1593 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:08.239 real magician. I think they would actually be very, very 1594 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:13.119 valuable to the CIA es. Like if they're huge into 1595 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.000 like jamatri and shit, you already got a fucking code breaker, 1596 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:17.520 I mean, or a person who can write the shit 1597 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:19.960 and code now, yeah, you know. 1598 01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:22.279 Which I do think Croley did that. 1599 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:24.319 I actually wonder in some of his stuff if he's 1600 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.880 actually putting out shit he wasn't supposed to. 1601 01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.680 M Well, like you said earlier yourself, like when you 1602 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.840 start getting into this stuff, you start to understand human 1603 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:39.920 psychology better, right, So the whole parapsycholic parasp psychology realm 1604 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.439 that these guys work in, Like, yeah, it would make 1605 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.720 sense that they'd be well versed in that to truly 1606 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:50.399 understand how to manipulate the human psyche. And you know, 1607 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.079 plant seeds and plant ideas and even like think about 1608 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:58.840 Jack Parsons him again, I don't know what you guys 1609 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.279 believe I I think NASA's bullshit. I think it's actually 1610 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:04.880 quite as well. It started the year Crowley died as well. 1611 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.199 I do think actually Roly Parsons and Hubver might all 1612 01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:11.199 have actually indirectly had something to do or directly with NASA. 1613 01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:12.760 That's the mine. 1614 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.520 But Jack Parsons, if he, I could be wrong, but 1615 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:20.479 I think I'm onto something here. And in this way 1616 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:23.720 of thinking, if he technically didn't come up with the 1617 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:28.439 type of rockets that he did, space travel never would. 1618 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.119 Have vieve it have been possible. Mm hmm. 1619 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.119 So it's like you have to follow that whole line. 1620 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:37.920 It's starting from an ocultist Jack Parsons, That whole lot, 1621 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.159 whole brings us to the moon in a sense, how 1622 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.199 much nazis, how much of this is real? And again, 1623 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.239 what did I say? I think Nazi magic is is 1624 01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:48.239 by giving you images and making you think you're seeing 1625 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:49.119 something that's not real. 1626 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:51.239 That's my opinion of landing on the moon. 1627 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.159 M Sorry, I was just gonna say, And who did 1628 01:15:55.159 --> 01:16:00.720 they use to to fut like, to further Jackpart's ideas, 1629 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.960 they use the Nazis right from Operation Paper Club. 1630 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:07.840 Yeah, yeah, that's it just gets interesting. Yeah, so that 1631 01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:12.319 is your opinion even on the whole like disclosure thing, UFOs, aliens, 1632 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:13.199 all that bullshit. 1633 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:14.520 Yeah, I don't. 1634 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:20.039 Only unfortunately, just due to having magical experiences myself, I 1635 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:23.800 have even like I was way open to aliens. 1636 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:26.199 And stuff like that, my idea of that is less now. 1637 01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:28.079 I really question most of it. 1638 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.359 I think sometimes some of the stuff in the sky's 1639 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.079 we're seeing is just like high tech, or it's as 1640 01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:37.399 crazy as it is side effects of magic things entering 1641 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:37.920 or leaving. 1642 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.359 Right, It's amazing how something like that. It's happened for 1643 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:43.199 me as well. Over the last couple of years, as 1644 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:45.319 I've learned more and more, I've believed in all that 1645 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.239 stuff less and Lessah, it's a portal, or it's what 1646 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:50.880 I want to see, or but it's not actually what 1647 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:51.439 I'm seeing. 1648 01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:51.840 You know. 1649 01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:55.840 Another reason why I believe that too is that, you know, 1650 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:58.039 unfortunately it may sound corny, but for me a lot 1651 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.279 of times when I've had magical experiences, when I'm like 1652 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.439 not here anymore and I'm somewhere else, and it's like 1653 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.640 it's like I don't have a body, I'm just like 1654 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.960 visualizing a scene, like I'm just a part of it. 1655 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.479 A lot of it looks like shit that NASA would 1656 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:12.079 be saying like, oh, this is like out of space. 1657 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.680 M hm. So I wonder, like, you know, they already 1658 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.640 have the idea from visuals that people. 1659 01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:22.880 Have seen Alistair Crowley saw the first gray right like 1660 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:26.720 that Lamb when he saw Lamb. That's that's what every 1661 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:31.000 gray and every alien and everyone's brain looks like that. 1662 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.880 It's even like Whitney Streams whatever, I'm screwing his name up. 1663 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.640 When I looked at his ship after the fact, I 1664 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:40.880 was like, Yo, my opinion, this guy just told in 1665 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:42.920 a cult story and threw an alien in there. 1666 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:44.079 Yeah. 1667 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.359 Like if I was to look at his ship from 1668 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:49.520 a cult lens and a cult symbolism, I see someone 1669 01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:50.479 crossing the abyss. 1670 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.359 Well, So his newest book, uh, he straight up says 1671 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:58.680 like he didn't write his his dead wife wrote it. 1672 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.720 He channeled her to write that whole book. So there 1673 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:04.279 you go. Yeah, yeah, it's very I mean that's what 1674 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.039 did Crowley do. Yeah, he channeled that shit. He channeled 1675 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:10.359 the Book of the Law to his girlfriend Rose. 1676 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:12.640 And that's like another thing too, just real quick for 1677 01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:14.359 some people, why I'm going on about his ship being 1678 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:17.800 ciphered not me. But Lisa, who's only a cult rejects, 1679 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.600 she went down to when she lived in Austin. There 1680 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.359 is a library in Austin that has the Vision and 1681 01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.439 the Voice written by Crowley in his like handnotes before 1682 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:28.960 it got published. You even see him telling the editor 1683 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.640 to do certain things and don't change this. He would 1684 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:33.279 do a lot of uppercase letters in the middle of 1685 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:35.600 a sentence for a reason, because. 1686 01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.560 He would even note in there leave it like that. 1687 01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:38.319 That's not a mistake. 1688 01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:41.520 You see him writing rose and putting like the math 1689 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.079 to it and then fitting it into the paragraphs. He's 1690 01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:45.720 not talking about his fucking girlfriend anymore. 1691 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.239 Who's doing that? This guy is ciphering shit. 1692 01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:50.920 If people have the chance to go and look at 1693 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.479 that stuff, you will see how much Jamatri is actually 1694 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.760 in what he's writing to You got to wonder, what 1695 01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:58.840 the fuck am I really reading? Yeah, yeah, and again 1696 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.479 I'm not trying to say like whatever, I don't know 1697 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.119 where it could be fucking worse shit in there for 1698 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:03.680 all I know. 1699 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:05.760 But I'm just saying there's a little bit more to that. 1700 01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.439 Guy is right, people are what are kind of the 1701 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:13.159 rules with that? Though? Because so like, can someone be 1702 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.479 invoking something without knowing they're invoking it, like you know 1703 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.319 what I mean, Like if I'm not aware of these 1704 01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.399 these method this methodology and I'm just reading it, Yes, 1705 01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:23.800 does that still have the same effect. 1706 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.279 I think we get a lot of that in social media, 1707 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.439 a lot of memes and a lot let's go Brandon 1708 01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.039 something like that. My opinion was actually just taking the 1709 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.920 energetic value of something else and repeating it because like 1710 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:39.199 if you were, if people were like I don't know, 1711 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:41.880 if people happen to remember, if something happens and it's 1712 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.439 just like constantly being repeated online, go put that into 1713 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:48.600 like the matrix and see what pops up with it, 1714 01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:51.319 and you'll probably be like, holy shit, these things are 1715 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.760 going on right now too, to where it's like you're 1716 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:57.960 almost wondering, like is this all just like this energy? 1717 01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.880 Since it's being talked about repeated, put it on the 1718 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.439 screen over and over again, that's what's actually fucking getting 1719 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:04.680 to going and keeping it going. 1720 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:08.840 Like feeding it. Yeah. Yeah, Like there's so many times 1721 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.399 when like things would be going on and like Mara 1722 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:12.640 a Lago would fucking match and it's like, well Trump 1723 01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:14.359 fucking mar A Lago just got raded too. 1724 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:16.760 Yeah, very weird, especially with Trump. 1725 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:18.640 A lot of shit, like a lot of phrases he 1726 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.760 says and stuff about him fucking throw that shit in there. 1727 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:24.000 It seems like there's always something that matches what the 1728 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.520 fuck's going on, right, all like cavify shit and yeah, yeah, 1729 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.239 oh yeah, weird dude. It's almost to where it's like, 1730 01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:31.199 you know, even it. 1731 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:31.840 Uh. 1732 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.439 Bramovich even said he's a fucking magus. She says he's 1733 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.159 one of the best magicians out there. She's you know, 1734 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:40.920 she that guy is not stupid when it comes to 1735 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:41.640 that shit. I don't think. 1736 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.720 Doesn't his name equal ninety three? And Ja Mantria as well. 1737 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:49.399 Oh, Mike, I know, Uh Erica Kirk and Nicki Minaj. 1738 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.079 Both do mm hmm. Well even like that myself both. 1739 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.760 Equally ninety three and Nicki Minaj is now on Donald 1740 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:57.600 like she's all over Donald Trump stuff. 1741 01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:57.840 Right. 1742 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.000 Oh yeah, she's a mega a mega. 1743 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.000 Yeah, that was what he is saying, though, now, you know, 1744 01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:05.199 I would like to go with probably the occult angle. 1745 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:07.520 But somebody I was watching them, I think some I 1746 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.920 don't know, some black comedian was saying, like, the funny 1747 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:12.920 thing is though it's like her Man's in jail right now, 1748 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:16.000 and I think he's got to you know, still got 1749 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:17.800 like I think, like seventy years less to do. They're like, 1750 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:19.800 she just doing this to try to get the motherfucker 1751 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:20.199 a pardon. 1752 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:22.279 Yeah, you like to you know. 1753 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:23.800 I think they were trying to make like, you shoot, 1754 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:25.600 really that type of a bad bitch. She's going to 1755 01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:26.920 do this to get her a man out of jail. 1756 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:28.960 I mean, I don't know, she's probably being selfish, but 1757 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.359 you never know, that'd be interesting to fight out like 1758 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:32.359 in a few months. 1759 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.039 Like all of a sudden, like she's with a boyfriend again. 1760 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:38.960 Okay, yeah, and he certainly has no problem partning anyone. 1761 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.680 So yeah, no present really. 1762 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.800 Yeah, I've seen I've seen it a lot. So I 1763 01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:48.479 was like that most recent was a Jake. It's Jake 1764 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:50.600 Paul right that that fought that guy that came out 1765 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:53.159 of retirement, that whole thing, and then the guy got 1766 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:54.119 in a car accident. 1767 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:54.600 Yo. 1768 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.000 That is crazy, yo, And I'm telling you right now. 1769 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:01.600 I when I heard that ship, I remember I was 1770 01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.159 telling people on the show and telling my friend Thereesa. 1771 01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:07.520 I was like, Yo, the way he said, if you 1772 01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.399 listen to what he says, he wanted. 1773 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:10.439 To do to him. 1774 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:12.520 I was like, I'm telling you right now, that motherfucker 1775 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.279 is gonna cult this because he knows what's going on. 1776 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.760 He said, I want to see his soul leave his body. 1777 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:20.680 Mm hmm. He says, he says, that's what bocking is about. 1778 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:22.920 Yeah, yeah, that's it. 1779 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.640 I'm telling you those motherfuckers that guy. 1780 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:28.000 That's what the guy who fought Jake Paul said, or 1781 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:28.520 that's what Jake. 1782 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.039 Yeah, he was saying that. I'm like, uh, he knows 1783 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:31.720 what it's about. 1784 01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:35.199 Yeah, yeah, feeling I feel like he had a choice. 1785 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:36.960 It was either because he's like he came out of 1786 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.119 retirement for that too, right, So I feel like it. 1787 01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:41.359 Might have actually been one motherfucker with bulls and said 1788 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.840 fuck you, I'm gonna knocked this cocky fucker out anyway. 1789 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.960 Oh so well, that was That's what I was gonna say, 1790 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.439 is that it was either like humiliation ritual or you 1791 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:54.640 let this like fucking Disney Channel twerp like win, or 1792 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:57.640 or you know, the sacrifice. And both of his trainers 1793 01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.840 died in that car accident, and so I was the 1794 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:03.479 thing I wanted to say about the coding with it 1795 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.359 that's interesting is so if you look up. Like like, 1796 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:09.840 whenever there's like a fatal car accident, it's usually motor 1797 01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:13.640 vehicle acts, usually described as motor vehicle accident, car accent, whatever. 1798 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:15.800 But in every article with this it was car crash, 1799 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:20.680 car crash, CC three three, right, Like, yeah, it's kind 1800 01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:21.840 of kind of trippy, but. 1801 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:23.039 Well you know what we cover. 1802 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:25.439 That equaled a lot of li mix shit like comes 1803 01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:27.399 of stuff too out of the Book of Lies from Crowley. 1804 01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:29.520 And it was the weirdest thing because at the time 1805 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.960 this was another example of was matching so much shit 1806 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:35.279 about Elon Muskin Trump was when the Gilgo Beach maurtys 1807 01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:35.920 popped up again. 1808 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.600 I don't know if you remember that, No, I don't know. 1809 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.079 Yeah, probably because like for me, it was in New 1810 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:43.600 York and Long Island, so I guess. But I mean 1811 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:46.960 it did kind of get known across the country again 1812 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:48.239 maybe because you guys are in Canada. 1813 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:49.159 Yeah. 1814 01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:51.159 Unfortunately, it was like this is this guy who like 1815 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.279 was killing prostitutes and them burying them at the Gilgo Beach. 1816 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.960 Oh in Long Island, yeah yeah, long. 1817 01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:59.239 Ago, okay, Yeah, And that it was just a lot 1818 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:00.920 of stuff when you be sort of run into the 1819 01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.359 numbers and like the victims and certain things. It was 1820 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:06.520 like matching shit, like straight from like Curley's Book of Lives. 1821 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:09.119 It was just really weird. It was even stories in 1822 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:10.840 there where it was just like certain things started to 1823 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:12.680 match up as well. It was just like even parts 1824 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:16.159 of the story of places that stuff happened that this 1825 01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:19.159 is weird. But again it's just like it's something like 1826 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.159 that so meticulous. I'm like, believe it or not. I've 1827 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:24.880 actually wondered like is there because it's another thing I've 1828 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:26.960 noticed with true crime you get a lot of the 1829 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:30.159 same numbers. Not to wonder, am I actually like kind 1830 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.960 of just looking at the numerical code to sick shit happening? 1831 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:38.119 Right? Yeah, Well and it sounds like fucking bugged out weird, 1832 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:40.960 but like no, you got a lot of the same 1833 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:43.760 matching numbers over and over again. Well, and it seems 1834 01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.880 so yeah, because it seems so intentional. But then you 1835 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:48.159 start having that conversation with yourself where it's like, so what, 1836 01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:50.920 there's like this fucking team of people there just sitting 1837 01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.399 and like in a writer's room constantly writing. 1838 01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:56.079 This shit, where like maybe it would be possible or 1839 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.359 is it just like that's just the energetic value of 1840 01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:59.560 shit happen, right. 1841 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:02.640 Thematical value of evil. 1842 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:04.319 Yeah, you know what I mean, it's the code that 1843 01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.079 this realm runs on sort of thing. 1844 01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:09.680 Yeah, have those murders been solved? You know what, I 1845 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:11.880 still think that case is ongoing. Like I don't think 1846 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:13.439 they've actually convicted him yet. 1847 01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:15.720 Also they've they've, they've. 1848 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.560 And like even even like the whole way they arrested 1849 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:22.680 him was just so cheesy with the type of DNA 1850 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:26.760 they used, and it's just I don't know my opinion, 1851 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.279 it's I think like the families involved more, and the 1852 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:34.279 family does have ties to like magic and witchcraft. So 1853 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:36.760 I mean that is an angle to where it's like 1854 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:38.640 you do sought to have to wonder like how much 1855 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:42.159 I don't know, have to explain how much is real, 1856 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:44.880 how much is fabricated? You know a lot of things 1857 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:48.119 with the true crime you know that. I've even noticed 1858 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.840 ones that I think might be literally that just might 1859 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:53.279 sound crazy. Some of them I do think. 1860 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.279 Are partially are fully fabricated just for TV and people 1861 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.279 running this, you know, be running the scenes behind the scenes. 1862 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.800 We still getting a lot of golfundbes hobby to make 1863 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.640 money off of the case. Yeah, especially from like the 1864 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.720 victims and stuff. I just uh, like with the. 1865 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.600 Go Go Beach, the Happy Face Killer lady. 1866 01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:16.239 Somehow, I guess, you know, felt for the wife of 1867 01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:21.239 the rex Hiroman and open up a GoFundMe for and 1868 01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:22.960 I was like, yeah, I find that little fucking shitty. 1869 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:23.239 I don't know. 1870 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:25.479 For some reason, I found that weird. And uh, I 1871 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.159 think I signed up for like itelics like a week 1872 01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.640 week free and that's kind of those like a serious 1873 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:33.199 background search, so it's illegal, you know, but it's just 1874 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.439 you know, we'll do crazy background search for whatever. You know, 1875 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:38.279 it's illegally can show you that lady's been busted for 1876 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:42.079 financial crimes already, like scams. Like so it's like, all right, 1877 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:43.399 like what the fuck's really going on here? 1878 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:43.960 M h. 1879 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:47.039 It's just very weird. You know, a lot of shit 1880 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:48.840 was going on with that with the Idaho four case. 1881 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:51.960 That that case is really weird. 1882 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:55.159 It's like everybody got fucking cremated and then they knocked 1883 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:58.680 the house down before the fucking trial was even over. Yeah, 1884 01:26:58.840 --> 01:26:59.800 there's no proof the. 1885 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:00.840 Fucking bodies at all. 1886 01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:03.159 I don't they harbably even showed I think they were 1887 01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:05.279 having problems even showing the bodies about all of them 1888 01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:08.079 coming out of the house. Like it was just very weird, 1889 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:10.880 a very weird situation, and like that had like tons 1890 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:12.399 of a cult symbolism around it too. 1891 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:13.800 It was just very weird. 1892 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:17.000 And like a lot of their ship matched the same numbers. 1893 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:18.359 It was just fucking bizarre. 1894 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.079 And then those numbers, like I was saying before, match 1895 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.920 a lot of Trump and Elaunch ship, which is sucking 1896 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:28.920 really weird. And Back to the Future for some reason, 1897 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:30.760 Back to the Future pops up a lot was popular. 1898 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:31.319 That is weird. 1899 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:33.600 I've seen a there's a guy used to fall into 1900 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:37.680 a Biff, Biff Tannon's dual timeline who his whole thing 1901 01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:40.680 was that Biff from Back to the Future is Donald Trump? 1902 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:42.079 That was this whole. 1903 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:43.800 Oh, I've seen that. I've seen that. 1904 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:45.800 It was really interesting. He has a lot of he 1905 01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:49.960 has like hundreds of posts showing his reasons for why 1906 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:51.359 he thinks it's so, and I think he is. He 1907 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:54.720 goes on the same assumption that Trump's a master magician 1908 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.119 and is able to go in and out of time 1909 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:58.399 somehow or anyway. 1910 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:02.359 Yeah, well, no, there's that whole like the Baron Trump 1911 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:07.239 stuff with the time traveling yea, yeah, that point too. 1912 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:08.760 That's that one's crazy. 1913 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:09.399 Yeah. 1914 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:12.479 The Elon there's the right, there's a book about a 1915 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.239 boy named Elon from the fifties who makes it to Mars. 1916 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.359 There's a lot of that stuff. Yeah, it's so. 1917 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.399 Is there anything in the in the magical like magical 1918 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:25.520 practice that that like would tie into time travel, Like, 1919 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:27.399 is there any of that stuff where you can like 1920 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:28.960 jump timelines or. 1921 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.279 Well, I do think in a sense that's kind of 1922 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:35.239 like what a magical experience might actually be, right, I think, 1923 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:37.960 I think I do think a Nocchio magic you might 1924 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.800 start getting it more in detail of like where you 1925 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:45.800 want to send yourself. But I think in a sense, yeah, sybolically, 1926 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.239 the way it could be looked at is that you're 1927 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.399 going back to the form before you ended up into 1928 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:53.800 the flesh. 1929 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:55.359 So technically, if I'm going back. 1930 01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:57.520 To the spirit world, I'm kind of going back in 1931 01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:01.359 time right before I can aim here, and then when 1932 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.920 I come back, I guess i'd bean technically, you know, 1933 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.800 when the magician returns, I technically went from the past 1934 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:07.319 to the future. 1935 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.760 Now back used to be back from the future, you 1936 01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:10.239 know whatever. 1937 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:12.880 So I even think like that whole thing, it was 1938 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:16.000 very weird. You gotta go eighty eight miles per hour. Yeah, 1939 01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.399 you know, I think like that thing and you know, 1940 01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:20.000 electricity as you needed. 1941 01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:20.760 Uh. 1942 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:23.159 I do think, you know, Lightning the first one too. 1943 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:25.560 I do think it's just actually believed or not. 1944 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:27.520 I think crossing the Abyss as a magician, when they 1945 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.600 cross the Abyss and come back, I technically think that 1946 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.079 that's what happened. Mm hmmm hmm. 1947 01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:34.760 You know, I think like he's on the Heroes, he's 1948 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:36.000 on the Hero's journey Martin. 1949 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:40.319 Yeh, Marty, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just kind of. 1950 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:41.880 I mean, he even has even like I would say 1951 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:43.800 I always say, I think that's like kind of you 1952 01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:46.239 getting the cabalistic trait of life. You know, I think 1953 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.520 the Hero's journey's kind of like Toth and he starts 1954 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:52.960 on the sphere eight He has an orange sphere in 1955 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:55.520 that movie. The kid's got a fucking orange life jacker out. 1956 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:58.000 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1957 01:29:58.119 --> 01:29:59.840 You know, if if you go, if you go look, 1958 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:01.319 if you go and look at the time when he's 1959 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:03.199 like walking across the street, you know how like the 1960 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.199 towns will have up like the little like white picket 1961 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:08.439 type fence with all these like little fucking signs on 1962 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:11.119 it that showing you things in the town, almost all 1963 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.520 of them, all of them or associated with or was 1964 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:15.800 started by Mason's. 1965 01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:19.399 Mhmm, go look at all those signs that are on 1966 01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:20.359 that fucking thing too. 1967 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:21.239 Yeah. 1968 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:24.239 Very weirdy, Yeah, that's crazy. 1969 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:26.039 And I was just we covered that, we could we 1970 01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:26.520 covered that. 1971 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.600 Uh, that ship even I think the date then they 1972 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.840 jump is like Ellis Ashmole's like birthday. 1973 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:34.479 It was very weird. There's like even Freemason's and occultest 1974 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.239 like dates of their birthdays that match up with like 1975 01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:38.600 the ship that they did in that movie. 1976 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:42.560 So you said Eli s Ashmole, Yeah, Elis Ashmole. 1977 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:44.560 Not super. 1978 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:49.319 Yeah, but that that's who brought John D's workings to 1979 01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:52.199 the Hermetic Golden Order, isn't it. That's how Yeah, that's 1980 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:53.560 who had John D's work. 1981 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:55.680 Yeah. 1982 01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:58.479 So who did you when you guys did that? Did 1983 01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:00.640 you look into like, I I don't even know who 1984 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.640 wrote Back to the Future. I've seen it a bunch 1985 01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:05.279 of times. But did you get into that at all 1986 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:07.960 or just into the symbolisms? 1987 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:09.720 There was something to do with the dates are do 1988 01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:10.840 you know what? I think it might have been with 1989 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:12.279 the Elliott Ashmole. I could be wrong. 1990 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:14.880 It was Uh. I think the date on doc on 1991 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.239 Doc's house not to date his address. 1992 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:18.439 It was. 1993 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.359 It was something weird where like, yeah, there was a 1994 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:22.119 there was a lot of shit with him too, that's 1995 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:24.439 very Uh. Could you know a lot of cold symbolism 1996 01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:26.319 around him. 1997 01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:28.159 Oh, are you looking it up now? I was seeing 1998 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:33.359 who wrote it? Uh, Robert ze Mechus and Bob Gail. Yeah, 1999 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:34.760 that would have been a good idea to actually look 2000 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.399 at the people who wrote it. I'd never even thought 2001 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:41.560 of that, Yeah, both of both Bob's Yeah. Interesting. 2002 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.640 Yeah. And so that's like things like because it's the 2003 01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:47.079 more I we look into this, the more you see 2004 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:48.840 it kind of everywhere, and once you start seeing it, 2005 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:50.520 you see it more and more and more. So is 2006 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:54.720 this something where you think it was intentionally written or 2007 01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:58.279 somehow something was speaking through the person writing it. 2008 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:01.079 No, I think that actually that whole movie was just 2009 01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:03.239 like this is the way I'm gonna put I think 2010 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:04.840 a lot of movies like this are actually done a 2011 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:07.600 lot of like things on TV. It's just a way 2012 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:12.279 of me, Uh, I guess making an imitation for art 2013 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:18.279 out of my experience. Yeah, it's as came back. I'm 2014 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.399 gonna make some fucking drawn out movie about it now. 2015 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:24.399 Yeah, well that's a pair like like so Salvador Dolly 2016 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:28.199 said that all of his paintings were were just images 2017 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:30.680 that so he would like portal jump and when he 2018 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.119 went through the portals, that's what he saw, and when 2019 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:35.920 he came back, the only way to like anchor himself 2020 01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:38.680 back in this world was to paint what he saw, 2021 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:43.319 otherwise he'd be forever trapped in that world. Yeah, so 2022 01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.039 there could be a bit of that right where it's 2023 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:46.840 like you have to put it out, you don't really 2024 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:48.520 have a choice. Oh that's what yo, That's why I 2025 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:50.840 showed my podcast. I was gonna have to start doing 2026 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:52.880 something after my experiences to get out of my head. 2027 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:55.760 Huh what I was? I was, and this was just 2028 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:57.920 the outlet I chose. I really can't row pain. So 2029 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.920 I was fucked on this so like I could run 2030 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:01.760 my mouth real good. 2031 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:06.079 I need to take a quick, quick two minute break, okay, alright, better, 2032 01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:13.439 yeah much better, Sorry about that, hold it any longer. 2033 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:14.920 I'm lucky at it. 2034 01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:16.359 When I have a bunch of people on the show, 2035 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:17.840 I could do that and I have to do anything. 2036 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:19.560 I just shut my shirt off, go piss and come back. 2037 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:21.600 It doesn't matter if somebody else just talking. That's why 2038 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.199 I got swivel chairs, man, you just swivel through swivel. 2039 01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.520 I was trying for a bit and the hock to 2040 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:30.000 quick hack to quick button while I was taking a piss, 2041 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:31.800 So yeah, there you go. 2042 01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:36.840 Yeah, well I while you were out, we were kind 2043 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:40.560 of just talking about uh, Aleister Crowley being sort of 2044 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:43.000 like a gatekeeper for all of it and and not 2045 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:47.000 really like yeah, and like Nick was saying basically like 2046 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.720 there should be more not as much should be kept secret, right, 2047 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:52.239 that's basically what. 2048 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.760 Ye a little bit more disclosure of like what magic 2049 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.680 might be, or a little bit more of a warning 2050 01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.560 if it is what I think it is from my experience. Yeah, 2051 01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:01.880 I think, like, you know, at least like maybe start 2052 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.560 telling people like really better make sure you're mentally fit. 2053 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:06.840 For this, know something like that. 2054 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:08.520 I don't know, just like you should have a little 2055 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:10.600 bit more of like take it a little bit more serious, 2056 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:13.359 so I really have you know, they think that, you know, 2057 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:17.119 I don't know, they get a fucking raise at their job, 2058 01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:17.960 like that's magic. 2059 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.319 It's like, I don't know, I just mean the ideas 2060 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:23.119 of what magic is and like what happens if you 2061 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:25.119 just happen to have that experience when they're just gonna 2062 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:28.119 be like, holy fuck, what the fuck was that? Yeah, yeah, 2063 01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:29.319 there's a difference between that and. 2064 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.279 It was magic was so fucking minimal. 2065 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.600 Yeah, well the whole It's trendy right now to like 2066 01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:37.479 manifest shit right Like it's like, oh, I manifested my 2067 01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:39.800 new house, So I manifested this, and it's like, well, 2068 01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.039 very well, you know you could have, but you also 2069 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.960 like worked your job and saved a hundred grand. 2070 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:45.680 Yeah. 2071 01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:48.119 It's like even for me when I had that experience, 2072 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:50.680 I was like, this is not what I thought I 2073 01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:53.039 was signed up for. Yeah, you know, it didn't even 2074 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:55.119 weird me the fuck out freaked me out at times, 2075 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:57.560 you know, I mean I was okay, Like again, when 2076 01:34:57.560 --> 01:34:59.520 I had these experiences, they were beautiful, but just like 2077 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.119 opening up my eyes and trying to comprehend what happened 2078 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:04.800 and like something I might have left out And it 2079 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.399 sounds crazy, very much matrix like, but every time I 2080 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:11.079 open up my eyes, I understand something I didn't previously understand. 2081 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:13.680 It's almost start taking these ideas with these thoughts that 2082 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:16.119 were previously in my head, they get twisted and put 2083 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:17.840 together in a puzzle. I'm like, oh, that's how that 2084 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:19.560 makes sense with that how that connects. 2085 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:22.560 As crazy as it sounds, that happens every time, So 2086 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:26.000 not even have like voice even telling you things or 2087 01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:28.560 like it's like a visions of like stuff coming together 2088 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.760 and making sense, and it's like it could be hard 2089 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:32.359 on somebody. 2090 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:36.359 So what's your process for like integrating this after Like 2091 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:39.680 do you do you journal it after and then review 2092 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:43.000 it in a different headspace or like how do what's 2093 01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:46.239 your tips for kind of making sense of all of it? 2094 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:49.680 Yeah, I guess yeah, I journaling I think could help 2095 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:53.479 maybe even like I see this is so interesting, and 2096 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:55.159 I'm just like because I've thought of, like, oh, is 2097 01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:58.199 this where the channeling comes into. Because there's a good 2098 01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:00.199 chance that like even after this, you may not be 2099 01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:03.319 able to even write fast as you're fucking as as 2100 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:04.880 fast as your as you're thinking. 2101 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:08.119 Sometimes people might have that problem just texting. You know 2102 01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:10.680 what I'm saying, You start skipping letters because you're texting 2103 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:16.680 whatever as a voice recorder or somebody else there to 2104 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.079 hear what you have to say and can you know, 2105 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:23.119 write it down? Or whatever somehow record it that might 2106 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:26.039 be interesting, which again is something that we've just said before, 2107 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:30.399 was with what Whitley Streeber and fucking Crowley. Yeah, you know, 2108 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.520 it's a very interesting like again, like Crowley had these 2109 01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:36.039 experiences when he was supposedly with the Book of the Law, 2110 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.279 you know, within these three days, and he dictated to 2111 01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:40.640 Rose his experience. 2112 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:42.399 One thing that I find is interesting. 2113 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.199 I've always seen Roses in my images before I crossed 2114 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.880 the Abyss, So I questioned the whole roase thing anyway 2115 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:48.840 to a certain extent. 2116 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:51.720 But I mean, you know, again, he's. 2117 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:54.960 I don't know, I think he could have possibly have 2118 01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:58.600 had a magical experience. It was just telling her the 2119 01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:02.279 images that he had when they happened. Yeah, she wrote 2120 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:07.800 that with your personal experience, like you said that most 2121 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:09.399 of your well all of you see, I think you 2122 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:14.119 said all of yours were positive. Was there any anything 2123 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:16.600 ever that was like not negative? But that was just 2124 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:19.039 like too much where you're just like, yeah, not fucking yet, 2125 01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:21.840 not yet. Yeah, it was a time, And I don't 2126 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:23.760 know if I consider it negative. Just to me, I 2127 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:25.640 felt like that might be negative and I don't want 2128 01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:30.439 to play with it. There's always a time, like there's 2129 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:31.199 certain things that. 2130 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:35.479 Happened a lot when the when when the thing starts up, 2131 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:37.960 there's just a certain series of things that happens. And 2132 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:40.920 right before I get to the end, at one point, 2133 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:43.920 like I'll and there's always this eclipse that's like there. 2134 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:45.880 That's why it's in my art and my logo stuff 2135 01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:48.279 all the time. This eclipse is there and it looks 2136 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:51.199 very much like the the one big logo that I have, 2137 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:53.159 like my YouTube and ship where you have like the 2138 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:56.720 movie reels coming out of the eclipse that's I had. 2139 01:37:57.079 --> 01:37:59.880 I had Mario from Symbolic Studies kind of like duplicate 2140 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:01.439 a vision that I had, but like. 2141 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:02.520 Stylized it like that. 2142 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.319 Those normally wouldn't be like movie reels, but I would 2143 01:38:05.359 --> 01:38:06.880 look like I have an eclipse. It will look like 2144 01:38:06.920 --> 01:38:10.239 those those cells of like you know on the movie 2145 01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:12.479 reels would be just like windows in the blackness that 2146 01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:15.119 you would see kind of coming out. It's like as 2147 01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:18.439 if you were standing down the middle of or a 2148 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:23.119 subway platform or a train station and you had two 2149 01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:26.479 cars coming past you but going really slow, those windows 2150 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.119 would just be there like passing me by, and I 2151 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:32.479 normally wouldn't pay attention to them too much, but it 2152 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:34.520 always looked like they had like some kind of different 2153 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.079 scene going on. I was always more focused at the 2154 01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:38.199 eclipse and what it was doing. 2155 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.239 And it starts to change after that, and I would 2156 01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:42.920 just normally go with that and follow that. 2157 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:45.199 But one time I was just like, I don't know 2158 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.840 what it was. I just had this thought of, like, well, 2159 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:50.880 what's in these things? And like even when I thought that, 2160 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.319 my vision of the way I was looking at the 2161 01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:54.359 situation even changed. 2162 01:38:54.399 --> 01:38:57.520 It's almost like I turned sideways. Now my body's not there, 2163 01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:00.680 it's just my way I'm looking at things. And I 2164 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.479 looked into one and to me, it was like, you know, 2165 01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.760 either that's like Arizona or that's like post nuclear fallout, 2166 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:08.239 and I was like I don't want to find out 2167 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:11.399 either one. Mm oh, like I'm good on that. And 2168 01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:13.439 as soon as and this is another thing, is soon 2169 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:16.720 when I have these experiences, as soon as I start 2170 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:19.479 thinking of self, it ends, which I'm assuming is because 2171 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:22.079 I disconnected myself from the old because I'm thinking of 2172 01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.239 self as soon as I start thinking like oh where 2173 01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:27.560 am I? What am I doing? So yeah, you know, 2174 01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:32.159 yourself back into the monkey brain. And after earth. Yeah, yeah, 2175 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:33.039 it ends right after that. 2176 01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:36.760 Huh, once you're no longer part of all the connectedness 2177 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:39.560 and it's just a micro thing, not a macro thing. 2178 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:41.720 Yeah, yeah, that's what I believe. 2179 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.920 Yeah, yeah, you separate yourself as soon as you think 2180 01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:44.359 of self. 2181 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:47.159 That totally makes sense. 2182 01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:51.119 Yeah, it's it's just interesting because it's not something, like 2183 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:53.720 I said, outside of psychedelics. It's not something I've ever 2184 01:39:54.359 --> 01:40:00.319 like intentionally done, even like meditation. I'm it's I've alway 2185 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:03.680 kind of struggled with it, just like staying in that 2186 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:08.000 space for any lengthy period of time. But like I'm 2187 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.319 a musician and when I if I sit and just 2188 01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:13.720 play guitar for an hour, I can get there. Like 2189 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:15.920 that's like it's there's a trance state that comes up. 2190 01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:19.720 Yeah yeah, yeah that I can't seem to get, you know, 2191 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:24.399 and otherwise, but it's, yeah, do you find because I know, 2192 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:27.239 like so I smoke weed and obviously I know you 2193 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:30.920 smoke weed too, does that affect your ability to get there? 2194 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:33.560 Because I know, like I don't dream very much because 2195 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:39.800 I smoke a lot and was kind. 2196 01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:44.159 When I first had these experiences, it was like right 2197 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:48.720 prior to COVID and I had probably stopped smoking weed 2198 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.079 for about fifteen years, and when COVID came. 2199 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:52.720 I was like, yo, for me to deal with society 2200 01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:55.079 and people right now, I gotta straight. 2201 01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:56.039 I know this sounds crazy. 2202 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.399 I started smoking we because of COVID to deal with society, 2203 01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:01.840 so I had already had these experiences. Now, since I've 2204 01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:05.359 had those experiences and started the podcast, I have brought 2205 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.079 myself again. Like I said, there'll be like a series 2206 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.319 of visions and things that happen. I can bring myself 2207 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:14.800 very close to the edge before it blasts off and 2208 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:17.279 kind of just hang out there, and I do feel 2209 01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:20.840 I get some benefit from that. I've never really blasted 2210 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:22.920 off and crushed over in a few years. 2211 01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:25.319 But uh. 2212 01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.439 So, basically what I'm saying is that, like I really 2213 01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:32.399 haven't had the experience with using drugs per se, like 2214 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.159 I've smoked weed now, but I haven't taken myself that far. 2215 01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:38.600 I could say from the first time it ever happened 2216 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:40.760 to me, it's always been very easy to get myself 2217 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.079 back into that visual space with the eclipse and everything 2218 01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:43.479 going on. 2219 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.960 So I can't even say like the drugs is gonna. 2220 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.199 Help it go any faster, because it's it's already sped 2221 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:51.640 up since the tough to explain, but it's already a 2222 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:53.239 very easy thing for me to get to. I don't 2223 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.079 know if I'm want or whatever, but. 2224 01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.239 I don't know if the drugs can help. There are 2225 01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:04.520 times I actually this is interesting. There has been times 2226 01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:07.000 that I forgot about this. There has been times just 2227 01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:08.079 on Indiga. 2228 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:09.199 I don't know. 2229 01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:11.119 Some people sometimes they'll say if they smoke too much 2230 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:13.239 of that they feel like they're dying, or like like 2231 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:14.000 are to die. 2232 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.000 That is very close to a feeling. 2233 01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:19.439 There was a feeling that when I'm having right before 2234 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:23.079 I blast off, I even think like you still have 2235 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:25.520 this moment of fear because it is an uncomfortable feeling 2236 01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.000 that you could look like it like I can see 2237 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:31.560 now like it's very close to the same feeling. 2238 01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:34.720 But for some reason it just never really affected me. 2239 01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.600 It was just I don't know, but like I have 2240 01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:40.920 noticed since now having a magical experience and that feeling 2241 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.359 that happens like right before you go. And there was 2242 01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:47.279 times one time after the last time I did it, 2243 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:50.640 I didn't feel right and I kept on feeling like 2244 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:51.760 I was actually. 2245 01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:53.319 Like going back out without warning to. 2246 01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.560 Like I was feeling the same feelings that would happen 2247 01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:58.600 when I was leaving my body. The first time, it 2248 01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:00.720 felt like it was happening when I'm trying not to 2249 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.119 and that feeling from smoking too much indigo was very close. 2250 01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:07.159 To that where you're like stuck in the head and 2251 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:08.960 you're like, oh fuck, am I like broken or my 2252 01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:09.720 fucking dawning. 2253 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:13.880 It was almost very I was like, fuck, man, I 2254 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:15.880 was like, oh, it was almost a magical fucking experience 2255 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:20.439 right there. It did bring back like I was like, oh, fuck, 2256 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:26.520 this is almost a familiar feeling. Yeah, yeah, that's because 2257 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:29.680 that is one feeling. I will say that feeling that 2258 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:31.560 there's another thing that I do think, like what I'm 2259 01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:34.920 saying is possibly real. Is that those feelings that I've 2260 01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:37.479 had when I do think I possibly might be leaving 2261 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:40.560 my body having a magical experience. I have never felt 2262 01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:44.279 those feelings again unless I do that. So I even like, 2263 01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:46.760 that's another feeling from something else that I might be confused. 2264 01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:49.920 No, it is. It is. I could even say, like 2265 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:53.520 one of the reasons why I stopped is I'll be honest, 2266 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:57.840 it was fucking addictive. I never felt so alive before 2267 01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:02.680 in my life. I think I died because you feel 2268 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:06.560 throughout your whole body and it's just like whoa, Yeah, 2269 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:08.600 it's definitely a feeling I've never felt before, so I'm 2270 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:13.199 not getting confused with something else. That's when yeah, yeah, 2271 01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:14.199 all right, cool. 2272 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:15.880 So like when the we kind of got me close 2273 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:17.760 to that, I was like, whoa, like that quote. My 2274 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:22.199 attention was close to a familiar feeling. Yeah, yeah, note 2275 01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:22.960 the strain. 2276 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.039 And you know, you know what the crazy thing is. 2277 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:26.920 It's like you kind of like and after knowing that, 2278 01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:28.600 it's like I kind of almost want to push myself 2279 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:31.039 to because that feeling is addictive because I know it'll 2280 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:32.880 be all right, you know what I'm saying, But in 2281 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:34.319 that moment, you're like, fuck, why did. 2282 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:34.600 I do that? 2283 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:35.239 It smoked too? 2284 01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:39.960 Yeah? Not for sure, for sure. Yeah, No, I just 2285 01:44:40.039 --> 01:44:44.000 always like because I've been toying around with the idea 2286 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:46.960 of like I have books on on sigil magic, and 2287 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:49.039 I have books on on the stuff. 2288 01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:52.319 And I read I never yourself believe it or not. 2289 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.840 I think if you said sigil magic the right way, 2290 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.520 I honestly think you're just reprogramming your own brain. 2291 01:44:58.279 --> 01:44:58.479 Right. 2292 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:01.199 It's almost like I really think the sigil magic is 2293 01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:03.439 more for the user on you to themselves, and then 2294 01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:06.960 trying to contact and do things to other people. Yeah, 2295 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.000 and so my job doesn't like me, so you know, 2296 01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:10.760 I wanted to piss razor blades next week. 2297 01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:14.640 But if anything, that sigil is probably like an image 2298 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:16.960 of hate that you just burnt into your head for 2299 01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:20.239 another person. You really shouldn't have any power you. Yeah, 2300 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:22.039 that's a lot of the things with black magic. I 2301 01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:22.680 hate to say it is. 2302 01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:26.640 I actually think the practitioner is fucking themselves more so 2303 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:28.479 you're doing is feeding hate. 2304 01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:30.640 Yeah, getting caught that loop. 2305 01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:32.880 Think about it that you spent this whole time to 2306 01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:35.680 do a ritual on a motherfucker's rented space in your 2307 01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:40.840 head over something. Who's a real magician now, who's got 2308 01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:42.199 free fucking space. 2309 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:45.079 Being rented in the head? You, Well, I forgot. It's 2310 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:46.800 got you fucking this right now. 2311 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.760 Yeah, that plays into the whole, like the TDS ship, right, 2312 01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:53.960 like the Trump derangement syndrome stuff like he's just living 2313 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.399 rent free and so many people's heads the rain yo, yo, 2314 01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.399 the people that hate him and the people that love them. 2315 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.119 Yeah, both exactly. Both are spells. 2316 01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:05.359 That's even another thing I say too, And I really 2317 01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:07.520 do mean this, And I always use Kanye West as 2318 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:09.479 kind of an example where I'm Trump nails it too, 2319 01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:12.119 you know, but Kanye West, I think, is a better example. 2320 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:15.279 You just gotta be no, it doesn't matter what the 2321 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:17.159 fuck comes out of him mouth sometimes, Like I think 2322 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:19.840 Kanye West has the bulls to embarrass himself or maybe 2323 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:23.000 say something of somewhat value, But I think he's cool 2324 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:25.159 with just looking like a fucking retat to make sure 2325 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:28.319 his name stays in everybody's head. He just has to 2326 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:31.880 stay relevant. Yeah, I think another big example, and I'm 2327 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.279 not knocking the guy. He's a piece of shit. He's 2328 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:40.199 done horrible things, I'm sure. But Michael Aquino, first off, 2329 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:41.520 a lot of his work that. 2330 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.640 We have that we know that he did came from 2331 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:46.399 the government, you know, fucking SCI files. 2332 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:49.560 So it's interesting how we don't trust the government until 2333 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:51.359 they drop a CIA files that we can cover on 2334 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:52.680 our podcast to get clicks. 2335 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:55.600 Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking weird on that because I even 2336 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.239 at one point stop covering shit from the CIA files 2337 01:46:58.239 --> 01:46:59.680 because I'm like, how do I know they don't want 2338 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:02.840 me to this? Yeah, So I believe even more when 2339 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:07.359 they start hosting podcasts right, which Sean Ryan and those Well, 2340 01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:09.720 what I'm what I'm getting at too, is that because. 2341 01:47:09.439 --> 01:47:11.199 I'm gonna keep it straight and we're gonna keep it 2342 01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.800 real because of the supposed things that we now know 2343 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:18.880 of that that guy did, end podcasters, he will always 2344 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:22.840 remain a god anyway because people are gonna repeat his 2345 01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:27.560 name over and over and over and over. So I 2346 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:30.960 mean the same thing with Croley. Because of people repeating 2347 01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:34.359 his name so much, he'll remain No. Stop saying his 2348 01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:35.520 fucking name, nobody will remember. 2349 01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:40.239 Yeah, stop talking about Mail and Moloch, and maybe things 2350 01:47:40.279 --> 01:47:42.760 won't hold any more power. The only hold power if 2351 01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:45.680 you know who the fuck they are. Put it this way, 2352 01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:48.800 somebody can't pick as some weird sexual agenda unless somebody 2353 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:53.520 gives them the fucking idea to choose it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2354 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:55.920 I know for sure. Yeah, I mean it breaks down 2355 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.239 even it doesn't like outside of a magical sense, just 2356 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:04.199 in a psychological exactly. There's people talking, you know, like 2357 01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:06.239 how everyone's in therapy now, and it's like, well, why 2358 01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:08.039 is everyone depressed? Because all you're talking about is your 2359 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:11.239 problems all the time. But like, of course you're stuck 2360 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:14.239 in that, you know, So yeah, it makes it makes 2361 01:48:14.279 --> 01:48:15.199 total sense. 2362 01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:18.680 While you're still coming here because you were told that 2363 01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:20.560 if you don't, you'll fuck up, and you believe it. 2364 01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:22.760 Yeah. Yeah. 2365 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:25.640 And the the anger thing I think you get it 2366 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:30.800 rewires your brain too, if you're constantly getting a disease. 2367 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:32.359 Yeah, yeah, it. 2368 01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:34.279 Rewires your brain and then you create it more. 2369 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:38.680 And yeah, yo, think about that, like I could know. 2370 01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:41.720 I'll say for myself, anger and fear. There were times 2371 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:44.680 when I feel that, like when I'm angry or fearful, 2372 01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:47.520 like if it's really bad, I literally feel. 2373 01:48:47.399 --> 01:48:48.720 An emotion run through my body. 2374 01:48:49.319 --> 01:48:53.159 Mmhm, that's serious. That should like I don't know if 2375 01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:55.359 we as humans normally look at that. I add, and 2376 01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:58.279 I'm like, as a magician, I'm like, what's going on? Then, 2377 01:48:59.439 --> 01:49:02.640 like that feeling is creating, is roborating something throughout my 2378 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:03.239 whole body. 2379 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:04.520 I just take a look at that. 2380 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:08.399 Well, yeah, it gets your heart going right, gets your. 2381 01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:13.359 Changes, you start sweating people, you know, just all these 2382 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:14.359 changes within a. 2383 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:20.119 Body that by thinking, yeah, there's a total physiological yeah exactly, 2384 01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:23.079 do it right, a total response to it. 2385 01:49:23.079 --> 01:49:25.960 It's it's it's interesting too how that stuff manifests in 2386 01:49:26.079 --> 01:49:29.359 like different shockers as well, like We've had this conversation 2387 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:31.399 before where it's like, if you feel if you're stuck 2388 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:34.760 in survival mode and you're feeling like scared and anxious 2389 01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:38.000 all the time, from a survival standpoint, like you're gonna 2390 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:40.800 have like hip issues, you're gonna have leg issues, You're 2391 01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:43.520 gonna have shit like that. If you're feeling like you 2392 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.479 you know, you're biting your tongue. I say, you're like, 2393 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:48.119 you know your boss is a dick and you're not 2394 01:49:48.159 --> 01:49:50.479 allowed to like you have no actual agency at work, 2395 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:52.479 and you're just whatever, you're not allowed to say anything. 2396 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.720 Those people tend to end up with like throat issues, 2397 01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:57.039 like you know. 2398 01:49:57.079 --> 01:50:00.119 Things like that sore. Next, then people who have had eggs. 2399 01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:03.680 Because of stress. Yep, yeah, yeah, no, for sure, there's 2400 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.399 a I don't know if you've literally there's a total 2401 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:09.920 fucking skin response. If you looked into German new medicine 2402 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.279 at all, yo, that shit seems to be popping out 2403 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:13.359 with some crazy stuff lately. 2404 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:16.720 Yeah, crazy, like like real, like wow, like that's interesting. 2405 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:19.520 My wife's big into researching that right now. 2406 01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:22.000 And every time I'm like, oh, on a headache or 2407 01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:24.479 all my fucking back hurt, She's like, well, it's probably 2408 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:26.600 because of this and to heal your inner child. 2409 01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:29.840 All right, a new fucking pillow. 2410 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.800 But what goes on with like relationships or just like 2411 01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:35.119 certain things with people, how much they affect each other? 2412 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:37.560 Yeah, too, with certain studies they've been doing. 2413 01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:39.520 Yeah, you gotta find it out. 2414 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:41.159 Like a lot of times, you know, women will take 2415 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.319 all the guy fell asleep on me. It's because there's 2416 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:47.000 nervous systems, like I'm safe, I can relax now. It's 2417 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:48.920 really like that. You know, it may not be the 2418 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:49.520 guy's distiny. 2419 01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:51.880 He's just actually so comfortable they fell asleep. 2420 01:50:51.880 --> 01:50:53.319 Same thing with a girlfriend, you know. 2421 01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:55.239 It's like, I don't know, it's just there's a study 2422 01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:58.520 I noticed though, butau I found very interesting. Yeah yeah, man, 2423 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:02.239 it's uh, I mean like we're we're magical beings, right, 2424 01:51:02.319 --> 01:51:04.600 Like there's there's so much more to it than influence. 2425 01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:06.840 That's why another thing. I just find that so crazy 2426 01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:10.359 that the influence of another person mm hmm can just 2427 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:12.520 have that effect on someone. I mean it's it could 2428 01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:14.439 be a great thing, or a beautiful thing, or a 2429 01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:15.000 horrible thing. 2430 01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:20.079 Mm hmmmm. Well that yeah, I mean back to the 2431 01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:22.079 pet thing, right, Like it's it's like hard to be 2432 01:51:22.119 --> 01:51:24.119 in a bad mood around a dog, right, Like it's 2433 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:28.079 it's an energetic thing, right, Yeah, yeah, it's an it's 2434 01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:30.800 a total energetic well love you forever, right, you know 2435 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:32.920 what I'm saying. So it's like that's another reason so 2436 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:34.520 loyalty that you think about you. 2437 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:39.479 And you're close to them, you know. Yeah, I can 2438 01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:42.000 literally feel what my dog like, I know what my 2439 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:45.439 dog deeds or wants just from feel offers. 2440 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:46.520 Oh yeah, is that wild? 2441 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:48.720 Just the relationship between humans and dogs, how well, Like 2442 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:50.079 you could just understand each other. 2443 01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:52.920 Just by looking at me. I know exactly what it 2444 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:54.239 is she wants. 2445 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:57.199 And then they exactly what the you're risking. Yeah, fucking bizarre. 2446 01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.920 She usually knows my mood before I know my mood. 2447 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.319 I'm not the best morning person. Wake up in the 2448 01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:04.760 morning and someone's fifty to fifty and she'll look at 2449 01:52:04.760 --> 01:52:06.359 me and I almost know I'm going to be it's 2450 01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:08.319 going to be a good day from how she is. 2451 01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:08.720 Yeah. 2452 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:11.079 Yeah, they're quite amazing animals. 2453 01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:14.640 That's like again, like all the more reason to like 2454 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:19.000 practice this stuff and like like tune it in a 2455 01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:22.279 little more, right, because it's it's a defense mechanism too. 2456 01:52:22.319 --> 01:52:24.439 You walk into a room with shady people, and if 2457 01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:26.760 you're tuned into that and you can feel it, you 2458 01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:29.079 know to get the fuck out right. Like, I can't 2459 01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:32.279 tell you how many situations I've gotten out of that 2460 01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:35.239 would have turned really really bad. And a couple cases 2461 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:38.800 like not gone to parties where like people have died 2462 01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:40.079 and things like that, like. 2463 01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:43.760 More not worried about so much other shit. You'll pick 2464 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:44.680 up on stuff like that. 2465 01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:49.640 Yeah, the biggest, the most relevant example I can think 2466 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:53.000 of is that when my band was on tour one time, 2467 01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:55.880 we were played the show with this other band and 2468 01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:58.319 they were like, oh, yeah, there's this big party afterwards, 2469 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:01.800 come to the party whatever we're humming haunt about him. 2470 01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:03.920 We usually would go, and there are a couple of 2471 01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:06.399 us that were just like some feels off, man, Like, 2472 01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:08.920 I don't know, we should let's just like go to 2473 01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:11.319 the hotel or whatever instead, Let's just take it easy tonight. 2474 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.760 And we did. And Yeah, a guy like had like 2475 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.520 a basically like a what I would describe as like 2476 01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:22.560 a demonic possession that night, just this skuy snapped, grabbed 2477 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:25.119 a knife in the kitchen and started stabbing people and 2478 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:26.359 ended up killing a guy. 2479 01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:29.239 And it like yeah, oh good ship. 2480 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.319 Yeah, and need a mental It was a mental birth too, 2481 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:32.760 wasn't it. 2482 01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.760 Yeah, yeah, caused it. He just snapped and yeah we 2483 01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.520 were we were supposed to be at that party and 2484 01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:40.239 the guy that the guy that ended up dying was 2485 01:53:40.279 --> 01:53:42.319 the guy that invited us to the party. 2486 01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:45.000 So crazy crazy Yeah. 2487 01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:48.039 Yeah, So I mean that's a that's a dark spin 2488 01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:50.840 on it, but I mean it works both watching them, 2489 01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:54.640 like what, that's fucking nuts. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So 2490 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:57.359 I think I think it's good to be in tune 2491 01:53:57.399 --> 01:53:59.800 with those forces, you know, and. 2492 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:02.520 You definitely notice all the synchronicities a lot more when you. 2493 01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:06.039 Are Yeah yeah, Chris no Oles talks about that a 2494 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:08.800 lot too, where it's like you start, when you start 2495 01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:12.119 noticing synchronicities, they just pop up more and more and more. 2496 01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.840 Oh yeah, you know. It's yeah, you know, I've not 2497 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:17.680 I hate that it happens, and I'm not even fucking 2498 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:19.680 trying to grift over it. It's so fucking cheesy. But 2499 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:21.479 like other people have even noticed it too. I know, 2500 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:24.760 I get ninety three constantly, and my shit, it's like 2501 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:28.039 start a ball to me too much, like what the fuck? 2502 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:31.960 Yeah, like especially like you know, traveling come that in 2503 01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:37.000 the number seventeen constant really yeah, just kind of. 2504 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:41.199 Weird something something those two numbers. I thought those are 2505 01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:45.279 my hockey numbers really, nine seventeen and ninety three seventeen 2506 01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:47.319 for most of my most of my life and then 2507 01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:48.840 ninety three the last little bit. 2508 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:49.880 I've always got. 2509 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:53.079 Okay, I'm not chosen by me either of them. 2510 01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:54.359 Yeah, I didn't think. 2511 01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:59.359 So I've gotten thirty three like before and before I 2512 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:02.199 knew any of this stuff all the time, and like 2513 01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:07.239 I've been like there's always there's always been like Freemasons 2514 01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:10.600 in my inner circle kind of thing, so like just 2515 01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:13.239 between family and stuff too. So it's like it's just odd, 2516 01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:18.279 that's right. Yeah, see that's even just like I don't 2517 01:55:18.279 --> 01:55:19.199 know sometimes like. 2518 01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:22.239 So I don't know if you guys believe in like 2519 01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:25.800 you know, reincarnation or whatever. Like sometimes I even wonder, like, 2520 01:55:27.159 --> 01:55:29.119 all right, let's say you're not a Mason, but somehow, 2521 01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:32.239 like that thirty three needed to get thrown on you somehow, 2522 01:55:33.479 --> 01:55:34.359 like I don't know, you know. 2523 01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:34.720 What I'm saying. 2524 01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:36.640 With a good story being retold but just in a 2525 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:40.600 different way, yeah, or someone redoing it over again but 2526 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:42.680 just a different timeline or you know, I don't know, 2527 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:44.880 I look at it like that. Sometimes I wonder, Yeah, 2528 01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:47.560 it's weird, yeah, like that like. 2529 01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:49.800 You know, I don't know, or a code to like 2530 01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:52.840 lead you down a certain path or like something right, 2531 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.119 like not necessarily to become a freemason. 2532 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:55.880 But maybe it's just the. 2533 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:59.119 Research because like all right to thirty three, regardless that 2534 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:02.960 freemason's high jacked, it probably has an overall meeting that any. 2535 01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:05.880 Occults would understand. Yeah, I'm saying that's another thing too. 2536 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.640 Sometimes certain orders, there are things I think are kind 2537 01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:12.880 of just blanket, blanket statements that they just stylized in 2538 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:14.520 that way, and a lot of people to take them 2539 01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:17.079 like so personal or it's just like no, they're all 2540 01:56:17.119 --> 01:56:19.079 saying the same shit just in a different way. 2541 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.560 Yeah, I do think that happens a lot for sure. 2542 01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:23.600 For sure. 2543 01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:28.079 Yeah, the the number things really freaked me out, Like 2544 01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:29.760 all the Charlie Kurk I know, not trying to bring 2545 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:32.479 up the Charlie Kirk thing again purposely, but all the 2546 01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:36.439 Charlie Kirk numerology with that Snake Eyes movie and like 2547 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:39.199 that stuff makes me not want to look at any 2548 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:40.319 of this for a while. 2549 01:56:40.640 --> 01:56:41.600 It just it just does. 2550 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:45.159 That's my initial reaction where I'm like, this is too weird, Like. 2551 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:47.279 Yeah, I think as you saw, wondering, like what the 2552 01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:49.960 fuck's really going on here again, like is it all 2553 01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:53.119 really orchestrated or is there some weird numerical fucking trail 2554 01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:56.600 with just again shit happening. So it's like you almost 2555 01:56:56.600 --> 01:56:59.000 don't want to kind of find both to be true 2556 01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:00.319 or either one you know what I'm saying, one of 2557 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.399 those well, yeah, yeah, because either one of those is 2558 01:57:03.399 --> 01:57:04.640 just fucking bizarre and weird. 2559 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:07.560 Yeah yeah, or or we just live in a computer 2560 01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:10.119 simulation too. Yeah. 2561 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:14.880 Yeah, No matter what, it's kind of a shitty fucking ending. Yeah, yeah, 2562 01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:15.319 for sure. 2563 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:18.560 Huh Yeah. I don't know, man, though it's it's it's 2564 01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:23.560 a weird, weird world certainly is I don't know if 2565 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:28.359 it's gonna Like do you think with people becoming more 2566 01:57:28.359 --> 01:57:30.800 aware of the stuff that they're that their spells are 2567 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.199 having a harder time, Like are they having a harder 2568 01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:35.640 time being successful with them? 2569 01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:38.359 Well, I think more people sort to understand magic, and 2570 01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:42.239 I think that will be a problem. That'll be a problem, yeah, 2571 01:57:42.279 --> 01:57:44.000 because there'll be more people I think that are going 2572 01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:47.119 to use it for better than moors m you know, 2573 01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:50.800 the people, more people who understand the the better side 2574 01:57:50.800 --> 01:57:52.560 of it, I think will start to be more. You know, 2575 01:57:52.600 --> 01:57:54.479 I think we'll catch I think, honestly, I think there's 2576 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:58.079 a possibility of us almost going into like another renaissance 2577 01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:00.640 that yeah, it's the cult is And I do actually 2578 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:04.560 think I might my brain, it might be kind of 2579 01:58:04.600 --> 01:58:07.800 like a saving grace, believe it or not. And I 2580 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:10.880 want to hear that of a you know, kind of 2581 01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:15.399 trying to restore you know, the goodness or whatever. 2582 01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:19.560 Yeah, you know, the truth. Yeah, because there are a 2583 01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:21.840 lot of occultists out there that don't think what's going 2584 01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:24.560 on is great. You know, myself excluded, but there's plenty 2585 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:26.720 of people that are like actually out there like that. 2586 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:30.119 I even know what podcasts that are talking about things 2587 01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:32.800 because they want to educate people don't want to be 2588 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:36.159 dumbed down, you know, they want them to know the truth. 2589 01:58:37.119 --> 01:58:39.960 Yeah, she wanted shit isn't old just Dixon demons. There's 2590 01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:40.720 some real deep shit. 2591 01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:45.399 Yeah. Yeah, well it's it's it's a potency game too, right, 2592 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:47.640 So it's like it's almost like, you know, the bad 2593 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:51.159 guys don't the reason they keep it secret is because 2594 01:58:51.800 --> 01:58:54.520 they don't want people doing good with it, right, So 2595 01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:56.920 if if there's more people doing good and it catches on, 2596 01:58:57.079 --> 01:59:00.760 that technically should increase the potency of the good magic, 2597 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:03.800 that would then counter the dark magic. 2598 01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:06.640 Right, Because if everybody had a magical experience, I would 2599 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:08.800 think probably about ninety five percent of those people are 2600 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:10.800 going to also open up their eyes with some sort 2601 01:59:10.840 --> 01:59:14.800 of gift that they now have and something that I 2602 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:16.800 think they can actually be helpful. 2603 01:59:16.399 --> 01:59:17.279 To the human race. 2604 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:21.319 Yeah, yeah, you know, they could actually like create with 2605 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:22.680 their hands. 2606 01:59:23.079 --> 01:59:23.439 Yeah. 2607 01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:25.760 I just say because I just think it's you know, 2608 01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:27.279 I would even say that to like a lot of 2609 01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.039 the musicians. Why they're so good at what they do 2610 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:31.279 is because they fuck with magic. 2611 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:36.239 Just yeah, they just explore their gifts instead of hide 2612 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:40.760 them away. Yeah, or they found them through that, you know. 2613 01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:43.039 Or again, like I was like saying before, like why 2614 01:59:43.039 --> 01:59:46.359 I start podcasting, they get out of my own head, motherfucker. 2615 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:48.439 Picked up the guitar and stayed playing if for so long. 2616 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:53.439 That's became amazing, you know what I'm It could be 2617 01:59:53.439 --> 01:59:56.439 a mixture of a lot of different things. Yeah, but 2618 01:59:56.520 --> 01:59:59.720 I do think magic is very huge on I mean, 2619 02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:01.359 all these Renaissance artists. 2620 02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:04.920 Those are all people I think I had those experiences. Yeah, 2621 02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:07.039 that's why they painted those beautiful things. That's why they 2622 02:00:07.039 --> 02:00:08.319 sculpted those beautiful things. 2623 02:00:08.439 --> 02:00:11.239 They're obsessed with the experience that they had and they 2624 02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:15.119 want to show it somehow, the beauty of it m 2625 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:16.039 express it somehow. 2626 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:20.720 Yeah, I think that's. Yeah, that's awesome. That's I'm in 2627 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.479 agreeance with that. It's a nice positive way to look 2628 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:24.039 at it too. 2629 02:00:24.560 --> 02:00:28.359 I'm unfortunately, I think I'm a little too negative sometimes 2630 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:30.520 in my first way of thinking would be that too 2631 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:33.239 many people would use it for bad. But it's nice 2632 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:36.439 to hear, Oh you two at least think that it 2633 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:38.880 it would be used. I would want it to be 2634 02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:41.359 used for good. I think I'm just too pessimistic sometimes 2635 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:45.039 about the state of the world too, and just people 2636 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:47.640 that I know and whatever, right to think that some people, 2637 02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:50.199 I don't know, it's good. It's nice to know that 2638 02:00:50.199 --> 02:00:52.039 that some people think it would be used for good. 2639 02:00:52.279 --> 02:00:56.279 Oh yeah, no, I definitely think so. I definitely thin And. 2640 02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:58.920 You think it would because it would be because people's 2641 02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:01.840 eyes would be opened up to their true calling, right 2642 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:02.359 if they. 2643 02:01:02.720 --> 02:01:06.880 Know is their will. Until they have that experience. Yeah. 2644 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:09.359 Yeah, and I guarantee you part of their will is 2645 02:01:09.399 --> 02:01:13.239 going to be somewhat associated with spreading God's word, as 2646 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:16.079 cheesy as that sounds, or your experience with God is 2647 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:17.600 probably somewhere going to be in there. 2648 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:20.840 With what your will is. This is my opinion, because 2649 02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:22.840 because you're going to be like I was blessed with this, 2650 02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:24.720 I must tell others about it and then they can 2651 02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:27.239 have this experience. If you're a good hunted person, yeah, 2652 02:01:27.479 --> 02:01:29.199 it's going to be part of your message. It's like, yo, 2653 02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:32.920 you got to check this out boy, you know. 2654 02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:37.359 And the whole thing is is that during for this experience. 2655 02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:41.159 It has made my idea of God ten times more 2656 02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:46.359 beautiful and personal than it never was before. Yeah, so 2657 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.439 it has actually made me a much more spiritual person. 2658 02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:52.039 And yeah, crazy to say it. I would never think, 2659 02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:53.800 like fifteen years ago, I would be like, you know, 2660 02:01:54.520 --> 02:01:57.960 my experience with God or having another experience with God 2661 02:01:58.039 --> 02:01:59.680 is like what I think about eighty percent of the day. 2662 02:02:00.199 --> 02:02:04.319 It's fucking nuts. I mean, if you're a magician, that's 2663 02:02:04.479 --> 02:02:06.319 what a lot of your thoughts should be about. 2664 02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:11.680 Yeah. Cool, Yeah, no, that's awesome, man. I think, uh, 2665 02:02:11.720 --> 02:02:14.600 I think maybe that's a nice positive way to wrap 2666 02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:18.439 it up kind of thing. If yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2667 02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:21.800 well yeah, man, I really appreciate you jumping on to 2668 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:23.159 this episode. It was a lot of fun. 2669 02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:24.680 No, thanks so much, man. 2670 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:26.680 No, I had a great time with you guys, and 2671 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:28.399 we definitely got to get you on for the removing 2672 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:31.600 So yeah, yeah for sure. Hey, but before, I was 2673 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:33.720 listening to an episode a little while ago, and you 2674 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:36.239 had one of the guys on the Incult Rejects was 2675 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:41.880 from Edmonton, Alberta. Did you do you remember TJ? 2676 02:02:42.319 --> 02:02:43.279 Yeah, it might have been TJ. 2677 02:02:43.439 --> 02:02:44.319 It sounds familiar. 2678 02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:46.159 Okay, your Gin might have been Gin. 2679 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:50.640 I don't know, okay, and either way, yeah, it's super important. 2680 02:02:50.680 --> 02:02:52.399 I just I grew up in Edmonton, So I was like, 2681 02:02:52.439 --> 02:02:54.520 and you don't hear you know. I was like, oh shit, 2682 02:02:54.640 --> 02:02:57.039 what are the chances that someone from my hometown is on? 2683 02:02:57.239 --> 02:02:59.720 Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah, that that that had 2684 02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:01.720 to oh ship, you know, that had to have been TJ. 2685 02:03:01.880 --> 02:03:02.239 Yeah. 2686 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:05.439 Jin is an hour ahead of me, okay, yeah, and 2687 02:03:05.479 --> 02:03:07.680 the other TJ is on that's right, he was three 2688 02:03:07.680 --> 02:03:10.960 hours behind me, so he's got to be over by you. Yeah, 2689 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:12.880 that's wild. Yeah, he's a Jamatri dude though we used 2690 02:03:12.880 --> 02:03:14.880 to have on the show a lot. Oh nice you 2691 02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:19.039 Contemporary Problems is his name, that's his podcast too, Okay, yeah, 2692 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:23.880 look check him out. Yeah yeah, all contact from you 2693 02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:24.800 and reach out. 2694 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:26.199 Oh yo, great to have on your show. 2695 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:27.920 If you're into that ship, that tad will blow your 2696 02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:29.960 mind with fucking numbers and stuff. We love. 2697 02:03:29.960 --> 02:03:31.600 I'd love to do a Jabatry episode. 2698 02:03:31.680 --> 02:03:33.920 Yeah, me too. Confuses the ship out of me. 2699 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:34.720 But yeah, but. 2700 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:41.319 With it all the time cool man. Well yeah, no, 2701 02:03:41.439 --> 02:03:43.199 thanks again, this was a lot of fun. Well we'll 2702 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.600 we'll definitely do it again. And uh happy to be 2703 02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:49.920 part of this podcast community that we've we've jumped into. 2704 02:03:50.119 --> 02:03:54.640 Everyone's been awesome so far, so good. Yeah yeah, I 2705 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:57.960 give give the people one last ear full of where 2706 02:03:57.960 --> 02:03:58.319 they can. 2707 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:00.840 Find you and closing thoughts. 2708 02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:04.079 Yeah, I guess like I said before, when it comes 2709 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:07.119 to magic, my my, my experience, it's a little bit 2710 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:08.479 more than what people think it is. 2711 02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.920 Uh again, I want to focus on the whole eyeball. 2712 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:14.000 It just just because people don't really don't talk about this, 2713 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:16.840 the whole eyeball and brain symbolism and the experience of 2714 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:19.279 death when it comes, you know, to magic symbolism and 2715 02:04:19.279 --> 02:04:22.840 a cult symbolism. And for the podcast, it's on bit shoot, 2716 02:04:22.840 --> 02:04:25.319 Brumble YouTube, all major podcasts, and we do have I 2717 02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:29.159 totally forgot before a cult research institute dot org. 2718 02:04:29.720 --> 02:04:32.840 That's our website. It has tons if you're into reading, 2719 02:04:33.600 --> 02:04:36.199 tons and tons of stuff to read, like there's some 2720 02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:39.399 shows that have been put to you know form where 2721 02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:41.560 you could read it on the on the site, So 2722 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:42.840 definitely check that out. 2723 02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:44.760 It's all free, so and it's got a bunch of 2724 02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:46.520 people from the show and people who aren't on the 2725 02:04:46.560 --> 02:04:50.439 show that have added or contributed to certain topics. So yeah, 2726 02:04:50.560 --> 02:04:52.920 check that out. Thank you, Thank you, guys. I actually 2727 02:04:53.079 --> 02:04:54.840 that was a blast. It was really great questions and 2728 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:55.760 I had a really good. 2729 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:56.680 Time right on. 2730 02:04:57.159 --> 02:04:57.560 Awesome. 2731 02:04:57.800 --> 02:05:01.119 Yeah, that's that's good. That's what we like to hear. Yeah. Yeah, 2732 02:05:01.239 --> 02:05:04.279 everyone out there, go same thing. Subscribe, like we're on 2733 02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:07.840 all the stuff. I just begrudgingly put everything up on YouTube. 2734 02:05:07.880 --> 02:05:09.600 I didn't want to do that, but here we are, 2735 02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:11.560 so I go for it. 2736 02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:14.119 You know, there's people people watch it, you know what 2737 02:05:14.119 --> 02:05:14.479 I'm saying. 2738 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:17.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, Mike do your thing. 2739 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:18.359 Do they think? 2740 02:05:18.359 --> 02:05:18.479 All? 2741 02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:18.760 Right? 2742 02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:21.039 From the Land of the high season, the tall trees. 2743 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.800 I'm Mike, I'm Andrew. Have a great night. Catch you 2744 02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:24.199 next time.