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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to the NP podcast. My name is more

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than Jensen, and today we have a big one for you.

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We are going to be talking Giannis Antokombo, who is

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now in Miami playing for the Heat. Well technically it'll

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be July sixth, but let's not act like that's not

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gonna happen. LaMelo ball all of a sudden, he is

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playing in Minnesota of all places. Oh, and we have

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the draft. The draft actually happened, and we have a

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couple of contracts to take care of too. Austin Brie's

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sticking in La Kobe White also is sticking with his

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team and Charlotte. Just a lot of offseason stuff. And obviously,

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you guys know where I'm going with this, because if

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we're covering the off season, it's obviously with my good

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pal Brian sap Pork. So, Brian, I'm not even gonna

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ask you how you are because we don't have time

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for it. We just need to start with Giannis, Like,

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all right, Miami Heat. Like the package was killil Whare.

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Like I'm going off memory right now, killil Whare. Haimi

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Hakas caspar As Shaq was shown as Tyler Hero and

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the thirteenth pick in the draft, which turned out to

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Natamend and then additional draft compensation like a fairly significant

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bunch of draft picks. Like, here's where I'm at before

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I throw it over to you. I still believe the

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Bucks made a big ass mistake not trading him proactively

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a year ago, because ultimately it ended up with two

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teams Miami and Boston who showed interest. Where I'm like,

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if this has been a year ago, that list would

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have been much longer. And as much as I love Killilware,

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and I really do, I don't think he's, you know,

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a guy who you can circle in future all star

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like personally, I do think he has all star upside.

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I love him, but there doesn't seem to be that

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one sure fire guy coming back at that trade. So

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where do you stand on this return? Like I feel

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as though it's like they painted themselves into a corner

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and out of that position, they got a decent haul

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for Giannis, but I'm still left like a little I

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don't know if I'm underwhelmed or overwhelmed. Maybe I'm just whilmed.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's a good way to put it.

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Like they salvaged as much as they could given when

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they traded him. Had they traded him a year ago,

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I think they get a much bigger package, like assuming

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they you know, they had the quote unquote exclusive negotiating

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window with the New York Knicks or whatever last summer

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and that did not result in anything. And I would

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go out on a limb and say, the Knicks are

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probably okay with how those negotiations correct. But yeah, I

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mean they got to a point. You know, he had

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been making it clear by all reports since last summer

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that he wanted out, he thought his time was over,

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and they were just in denial about it. And it

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was not just people inside the team. I think a

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lot of people in Milwaukee in general were in denial

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about just how far gone it had become. With that said, yeah,

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I mean like they didn't get a blue chip prospect,

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an All star, and I would like to get your

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thoughts on them picking the package from Miami over Boston,

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but they kind of just went with a like ten

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Nichols doesn't equal a dollar, but we at least have

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ten Nickels and maybe one of them turns into a quarterach,

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right than you know, just Jalen Brown and then we're

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potentially in this situation, this exact same situation with him

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next year, right, because by all accounts, he you know,

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I know there were reports about him maybe willing to

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go to Milwaukee, but Mark Spears at first said no,

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he has no interest in going there. And I was like, oh, well,

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maybe he wants his own team or whatever. But you know,

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I think they made the right choice going for Miami's

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package over Boston's. But yeah, I mean, it's this is

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It's going to be a long climb out of where

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they are, and I'm curious to see where they go

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next because you know, Tyler Hero is on an expiring

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contract right now, and you're either extending him or I

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think it makes sense to explore moves with him this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think they're done. I think

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this is the starting point. And look, if they get

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a haul for Hero, which I have questions, like I

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think he's a good player, don't get me wrong, but

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like if they if they are able to pivot him

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elsewhere and just like an additional first rounder, Okay, that

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becomes interesting, right, like if you can if you can

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swing that or maybe to new younger players as well,

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a thing, and that would change the parameters of the

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deal in my opinion, and it was the better package.

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the best player. That's that's totally correct. He's also going

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to be thirty by the time the season starts. Like,

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what's the upside even if you took like the Boston package,

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what really was the upside there of Jalen And I

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guess Sam Hauser was probably in there for salary matching

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purposes and then a modest slew of draft picks, right,

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like very modest. I just don't know where that gets you,

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Like I I don't see the logic in that. So

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to me, it always came down to Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess where do you see them going next? Now?

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Knowing that they don't have this, you know, the face

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of the France type guy, They don't have an aj Debanza,

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Darren Peterson, the camp user, Like, how you know they

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could they could keep this group together because you know,

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you have Tyler Hero, Kyle Kuzma, Miles Turner, Ryan Rollins.

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the two new guys Braden Burry's and Nate Ammett that

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you just drafted. You know, you've got the young guys

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from Miami, Like, there are some interesting pieces here, and

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I think you could feasibly say, yeah, we'll keep them

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all together. We'll win thirty or thirty five games, and

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you know, we're not going to compete for a playoff spot,

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but we were not going to necessarily tank. But I

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wrote something at Forbes the other day that I think

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they're actually uniquely positioned to tank despite this new draft lottery.

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You know, the reform basically is trying to snuff out

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all tanking, and by introducing this relegation zone, right, the

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Bucks control their picks, so the relegation zone doesn't matter

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to them. If anything, it actually behooves them to finish

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in the relegation zone, so that whichever teams have their

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picks for the next couple of years, they have lower

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odds of getting a premium pick, and those trades look,

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you know, much less damning than they would if, like

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God forbid, any of those picks end up being number one,

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number two, number three. So you know, I don't know

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that they necessarily need to go like full process sixers

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here and trade anyone with a pulse. But like I

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come back to Hero, you know, he's an obvious one.

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But if you know, if if the Lakers don't sign

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and trade Lebron for Jared Allen and don't get Jalen

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during or Walker Kessler in free agency and Luca is

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clamoring for a center, I mean, would you not move

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off of Miles Turner if they're willing to give up

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something of real value for him?

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Speaker 1: In a heartbeat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean I think they're kind of because

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they don't control their own picks, they are kind of

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uniquely positioned to tank, and they might face less competition

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from other teams. Like, if you have your own pick,

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you're going to be scared of the relegations, so you're

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not gonna want to end up there. So I think

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there will be fewer teams that are willing to do

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that type of thing, and maybe that means the Bucks

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have less competition for you know, yeah, we'll take your

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bad contracts. We don't care, you know, Like I don't

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want to wish John Morant on them, but if they

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can get a free look at John Morant for sure.

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Julius Randough for free. Like, yeah, if there are other

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teams that are, you know, I would go. I would

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pull up spot track and see which teams are close

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to the aprons and close to hard caps. Once we start,

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you know, hard capping teams and you know, start calling

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those front offices and saying, look, if you want salary relief,

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we're open for business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's it's the right play. It's definitely the

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right play. Like the lottery form, as stupid as I

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think it is overall, I don't think it's gonna necessarily

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move the needle for teams that actually want to try

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to build through the draft to a certain extent, I

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just I think they're going to be somewhat unafraid of

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trying to take that approach. It's not something where I

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think it's like, don't get me wrong, the reform is stupid.

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It's dumb. It's an overreaction based on three years of tanking,

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because like they were just great players coming to the

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draft over like a three year period, Like what can

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you do? But I just don't think teams are gonna say,

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oh no, now we can't focus on draft picks. Anymore,

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and I think wrongfully so that Miami is now too shallow,

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criticism because they relinquished so many young players. But I'm

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just like, we're still not sure what's gonna happened with

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Andrew Wiggins, with Norman Powell. Like if those guys come

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back all of a sudden, you have a pretty good

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team there, Like you still you're you're not done. You

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still have to go out and in free agency and

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find ring chasers. You still have to go out and

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get do something more. But like if you get Norman

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Powell back, especially someone who's just like built to play

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off of high volume guys, like a guy who can

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just constantly take these you know, won dribble pull ups

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off the catch and and then just you know shoot

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off the catch as well, Like he would just fit

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like a glove next to Gianni's uh in that setting.

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extension at a lower price point, like all of a sudden,

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I don't think the depth is that bad like if

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they lose both wigs and well, they can't because they're

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there's that's a player option, I believe, Well, well they

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could because they could decline set. But if they lose both, yeah,

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then we have a shadow problem. But I mean it's

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it's kind of huge if both of those guys stick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it sounds like Norm Powell based

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on reports, it's going to be tricky to retain him.

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I'm not sure where the cap Space team is coming

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from because right now it's just Brooklyn, Chicago and Lakers

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and theory, but like it's kind of bran Winhorse calls

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it phantom cap Space, and I think that's a good

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description of it. Detroit is obviously up to something with

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the Isaiah Stewart salary dump, and they've been connected to

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Austin Reeves. They were connected to Kobe White before he

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resigned with Charlotte. They've been connected with Tyler Hero. So

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maybe Norman Powell is an option for them, whether via

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signed in trade or just a straight free agent signing.

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But yeah, I mean when they made this deal, I

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assumed they'll do kind of what the Calves are hoping

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to do with James Harden. The Heat will do that

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with Wiggins where they get him to decline the player

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option sign a longer term deal at a lower annual value.

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we'll see what else they have up their sleeves. I'd

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find the whole thing very interesting. And I'm going to

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break this rule later when we talk about Charlotte and Minnesota.

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So this is very hypocritical of me to say, and

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I'm acknowledging that right off the bat, But there's this

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like rush to judgment on this Heat team, like they

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made this trade and people are just like, you know,

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all of this for the sixth seed. It's like I

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and I understand, you know, wanting to say that now,

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but you know it's we're recording this on June twenty fifth.

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Free agency doesn't open for another few days. The off

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season is still very young. I mean, no one was

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talking about LaMelo Balls like definitely going to get traded

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this off season forty eight hours ago, and look where

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we are now, right So if nothing else did, the

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NBA off season just always has surprises up its sleeves.

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I would imagine that Miami is well aware in the

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wake of this deal. They need more shooting and more playmaking,

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and I would think that they have a pretty good

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sense of how they're going to add that, right, I

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would think they're going to be a pretty popular destination

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like for minimum contracts, because not only you know, you

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no state tax, blah blah blah, but also you get

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playing time. I mean, you know, there's going to be

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an opportunity there that that might not be on other teams.

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an incomplete for now. I want to see how they

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fill out the rest of this roster. They definitely have

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real concerns and they have real financial restraints by being

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hardcapped at the first apro and not having that much

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flexibility below it right now, But I'm not ready to say, like, oh,

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the Heat or the fourth best team of the East

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going into next season. I don't know. I just want

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to see, you know, what else they're going to do

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this offseason, and then I will render final judgment on

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like August first or something.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I agree, because then we have more data.

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We know what goes into the team, Like we know

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the structure of it all. I like, I just I

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think we're at this point, we're just judging too early.

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you said it, basically like free agency hasn't even started.

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Let's just see how things kind of materialize. But we

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are quick in this business to just rush to judgment.

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so many other teams. I will say this, I am

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kissed a little bit of one thing because so as

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you know, Dan Favalley and I record quite a bit,

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and we have said for a long while that you know,

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if this burs were to go, get like a big man,

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like a backup big man who could play like the

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four and the five, I say a store would be

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the way to go. And we were both like resigned

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to the fact that now that's just not feasible because

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Detroit won sixty games, Like, that's just not gonna happen.

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He's gonna be completely unavailable. Three seconds is what it took.

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Speaker 2: I've got a good story about our mutual friend Dan

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later once we get to the Lamello part.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I know, I know how I know his

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boner for LaMelo. I'm well aware of that. We have,

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we've had some fights, but I will still hear it.

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Speaker 2: Sir, Well, we'll get there later, we'll get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but we've seen some movement, like yeah, Detroit,

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that's interesting too, like something is bubbling there, which frankly,

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like we're recording this at like I think two p m.

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you call it? Like not

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not Eastern time, Central time. There's a non zero chance

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that by the time this podcast come out comes out,

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Detroit has done something.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It certainly feels that way, like things are moving quickly

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they have something up their sleep. I'm not

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sure what it is, and I'm not sure who they're.

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You know, they're they're targets are coming off the board

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fairly quickly. But yeah, it's clear that they're they're trying

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to do something.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm assuming it's shooting related.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I feel it feels like a fair assumption.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So to wrap up, Yiannis like I have

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to ask because people have been asking me, and I

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don't know how much stock I should put into it,

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but I just since people are asking, I think it's

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something that they're thinking about. How much stock do you

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put into the fact that you'll be thirty two during

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this season or upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a legitimate concern long term,

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especially if he's going to sign this four year, two

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hundred and seventy five million dollar extension when I'm reason

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eligible for it in January. But like Miami was going nowhere,

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like this is a move for Miami. This was basically

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the package you were offering for Dame Lollard, and you

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got a player much better than Dame Lollard. So, you know,

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I I understand why they make this swing. Like, I

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don't know if this makes him a title contender as

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currently constructed. No, you know, I think they will continue

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to add, and like I Windhorse has been saying this

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a lot since the trade, that they're gonna need like

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kind of two transaction cycles. They're going to need this

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offseason trade deadline, and then potentially by next offseason. He

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thinks they'll like you know, be a much more legitimate

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championship contender. But it sounds like he's kind of lukewarm

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on them as a title contender this year. I will say,

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I've seen a lot of like, you know, did he

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just go to Bucks South? Basically? No, I mean, ban

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Otebaio is so significantly better than anyone he played with

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in Milwaukee last year that it's not even a conversation.

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If they're able to retain Norm Powell, who made an

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All Star Game last year, he is also better than

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anyone that he played with in Milwaukee. I mean, yeah,

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Like they have limited financial flexibility and limited assets to

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improve the roster from here, for sure. But unlike Milwaukee,

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Miami is actually a free agent destination, and with Bam

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and Giannis, they would imagine they're going to be an

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even more popular free agent destination. So I just I

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don't have any issue with Miami. You know, if that's

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the price they had to pay to get Jani Santa

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to compo, absolutely pay that ten times out of ten.

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And you know you've got a pretty well renowned strength

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and conditioning staff. Like the calf injuries, you know, I

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think are a legitimate concern for Giannis moving forward. He's

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just been dealing with a bunch of that stuff in

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recent years, and you know, you've got to hope that

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doesn't continue to pop up. Is there a chance of

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this deal ages very poorly? Yes, of course, Like these

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superstar deals often, do you know, I think it's typically

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the team on the receiving end tends to fare better

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than the team that actually got the superstar. So if

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we I would not be shocked if we look back

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in three or four years and say, what the Bucks

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actually did better than the Heat here, right. This also

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just it gives the Heat something to actually play for

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for the next few seasons other than just we're gonna

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maybe struggle to make the play in. We'll hover around

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five hundred, maybe we'll win one playoff series. But like

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they were just stuck and this this gets them unstuck

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for better or worse.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that was I think that's been That's such

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a good word, unstuck, because I think that's been our criticism,

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Like if you sum it up over the past two years,

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maybe three years, like that's that's been the thing. It's

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they just felt stuck, Like when they did the whole

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Dame waven stretched last year to sign Miles Turner. I

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remember our exchanges, like you and I when we saw that,

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like they were not fit for the podcast. I can

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just tell you that much you and I we were.

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Is the kind word flabbergasted?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And like that's that's where I think it's

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fair to criticize the Bucks because I mean, that's what

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we said at the time last year, was like, if

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you better be sure that Yannis is staying here long term,

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if you are making that type of a move, you

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can't make that type of a move in the hopes

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that that will convince him to stay. It's got to

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be the exact opposite. And yeah, now they're going to

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have twenty million, a twenty million dollars dead capit on

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their books for the next four seasons, I believe, And

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you know, that's going to really hamper them moving forward.

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I know the cap will go up, but that's still

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you know, even if the cap goes up to two

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hundred million, that's still ten percent of the cap for

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someone who's not playing basketball. For you, right, it's not

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a good great use of resources. And you know, we'll see,

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Like the question for them is still how do we

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get that blue chipper? And you know, maybe maybe Braden

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Burry's turns into that guy, or maybe colohe Ware or

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Yaka units uh uh Haka is like any of those guys,

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maybe they turned into them, but I don't know. I mean,

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them not having their own picks is problematic and it

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might take a couple of years for them to start

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cashing in on some of the Miami picks. And you know,

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I think it was smarter them to get like very distant.

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It was twenty with twenty thirty one and thirty three

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I believe, or two of the picks that came over.

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You know, that is smart. Gianness will be in his

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late thirties by then, if he's even still in Miami,

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so like, yeah, that's that's the time to be targeting.

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But yeah, like it's going to be a bleakue couple

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of years in Milwaukee, I think. And frankly, I mean

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this is going to sound harsh to say, but I

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would argue they only have themselves to blame for that

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sure thing is out when you know, I mean everyone

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and their mother knew what was coming.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly, I don't even think it's going

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to be that pleakue, Like, yeah, there's going to be

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like the feeling of divorce from Giannis. But I also

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think Box fans were well aware they were stuck, right,

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I mean I can't imagine otherwise, Like I feel like

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the fan base, at least on social media, were like,

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oh my God, we're going nowhere. So this at least

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kind of, as you said, got them unstuck. And now

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there's a sort of path too well I don't know what,

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but something else, and maybe that's good enough to some extent.

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All Right, so we're gonna take a quick commercial break

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that we're going to come back with Lamello trade analysis,

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because we totally geared up for that when we woke

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up this morning. All right, bright LaMelo ball is no

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longer a hornet. Surprisingly, so they cashed in after a

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solid year from him, which I think was pretty smart work.

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He's now a Minnesota timberwolf. And we'll have to join

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a backcourt of Andrew Wickens and Io Schumo, who was

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just resigned to a five year, one hundred and twelve

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million dollar contract, which means, you know, you have three

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guards now, all earning a substantial amount of money. In

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that entire process. You traded away, Julius Ramble, you traded

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away nas Reed. I'm just left with questions in regards

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to like the roster symmetry of Minnesota at this point.

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I don't know where you stand.

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Speaker 2: I am very much on that same wavelength. I I

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understand the upside here you know, you can get Aunt

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Edwards working off the battle more and he is a

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very very good catch and shoot three point shooter, so

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you know, being able to unlock that part of his

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game I think makes a ton of sense. Lamela just

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having someone else who can just shoulder more of the

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offensive load. Like you know, Aunt, it was just getting

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relentlessly double team because he was the only one who

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could create, especially after Dante DiVincenzo towards Achilles. So I mean,

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like there is dynamic offensive potential between LaMelo and Ant,

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but even you throw Io in there as well, Like

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those three guards are gonna be fantastic, and they still

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have Terrence Shannon as well. They dress drafted. Who is

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Isaiah Evans from Duke who's a good shooter? Like the

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backcourt looks phenomenal, but yes, my question is very much

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in the front court. And this is where I'm going

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to break the rule that I had from Miami, where

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I want to see how things play out. You know,

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the Wolves are now hard capped at the second apron

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because they're aggregating Randall and Reed to bring in LaMelo

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and Josh Green. I've seen varying figures, but it seems

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like they're already pretty close to the first apron and

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like ten to fifteen million ish under the second apron

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with a couple open roster spots. So regardless, they're unless

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they're able to dump Dante DiVincenzo, which John Krasinski of

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The Athletic Today said they are not planning to do that.

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They're not going to have the non tax emly. I

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guess they'll have the tax emily potentially. Is that enough

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to get a legit? I mean, yeah, you have Gobert,

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you have Jaden McDaniels, and you're a Barringer who they

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drafted last year. And other than that, like their front

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core depth chart is decimated all of a sudden, and

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I just don't I don't know how they fortify that.

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And also, I mean, I find it interesting. I'm not

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saying they're necessarily wrong for doing this, but it seems

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like a lot of other contenders in the West, in particular,

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you know, you see Victor wembin Yama and you see

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this Spurs team and you realize, there he stays healthy,

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they're going to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

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And the other teams seem like they are starting to

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double down on size, trying to add more size. The

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Wolves just went in the complete opposite direction. Yeah, which

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I just find interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's a very polite word.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, maybe it works out. I don't want to,

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you know, I don't want to say I am definitely

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right and they're definitely wrong, because again I can see

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how this works out for them, and if they much

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like Miami, maybe they have other moves up their sleeves,

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and in two weeks time, they'll have, you know, a

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much more fortified front court and I'll feel much better

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about their outlook. It's just right now, seeing the restrictions

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00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,160
that they have to work with, it is hard for

472
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,160
me to fathom how they're going to fortify the front

473
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,279
court to the extent they're going to need to to

474
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,759
contend right away with this duo or trio.

475
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: I agree, I just I can't find the path. There's

476
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,640
there are a couple of players that I've kind of

477
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,279
been looking at since this trade went down, like who

478
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,200
could they out and go out and make a play for,

479
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,440
And like one guy who came up in my mind,

480
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,480
like he hasn't been reported anywhere but on Yeko Congo,

481
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,599
Like I think he would make a bit of sense,

482
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,319
Like you think he's like, he's on such reasonable deal

483
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,160
at sixteen point one million, that should be somewhat like

484
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,559
realistic to facilitate in some capacity, I think. But at

485
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,279
the same time, like, is that the way you want

486
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:39,960
to go? Because he's proven to be more offensively inclined

487
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,480
than defensively inclined, because despite being six ten, you know

488
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,279
he's he's really focused on his offensive game, Like is

489
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:48,640
that enough? Like can he play next to Gober because

490
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,720
he's pretty much more of a center than a four.

491
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:55,119
I just think that they have questions now, and also

492
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,279
like just a little mellowfactor of it all, Like I

493
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,839
know that I'm a hater, but at the same time,

494
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,279
I don't think he's given me reason to be optimistic.

495
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,720
I just don't. I think he's erratic. I think that

496
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,640
this year we just saw was probably his best yet

497
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,079
because the pegging order was finally established and he wasn't

498
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,839
the top guy, like he had to share the wealth

499
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,480
and that was so much better. But he's just like

500
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,720
you can just see how much he takes these dumb shots.

501
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,039
He takes weird decisions, and like for once when he

502
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,559
was a little bit handcuffed, it went better, and I

503
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,799
think Charlotte was just like, oh oh, he's actually got

504
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:41,960
positive value right now now hit it like immediately, which

505
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,039
just speaks volumes to me that this guy is probably

506
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:50,319
someone Ain't is gonna want to kill in about six months.

507
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,920
Am I wrong? Am I being too harsh?

508
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I could see, like again, I

509
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000
can see it working out with Ant, I could see

510
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,720
it working out with Gobert because LaMelo is a great passer.

511
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,759
I mean, this is by far the best passer that Gobert,

512
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,480
really Gobert has ever played with. Is that fair to.

513
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, g yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it is.

514
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,759
Speaker 2: So. I mean, like I think I don't really have

515
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,759
concerns for them offensively. It's more defensively. And then just

516
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,559
with LaMelo's injury history, can he stay healthy? If not?

517
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,160
There you know, they made themselves a little bit more

518
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,200
top heavy with this. It'd be harder to kind of

519
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,240
replace forever however long he's out. So that's a potential concern.

520
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Like I hear the you know, concerns about LaMelo's just

521
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,599
like being on unseerious. I guess this is the nice

522
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:54,400
way to say it, you know, I there's nothing concrete,

523
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:57,599
and like the way the ant approaches the game is

524
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,640
not the same way as LaMelo in that regard, But

525
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,839
like I think Ant off the court had either had

526
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,480
or at least either has or at least had some

527
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,680
maturity stuff to work through as well. So like that,

528
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,240
I have some concerns about do they kind of amplify

529
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,759
each other right regard or you know, I mean they're

530
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,759
both now in their mid twenties. Aunt as a father

531
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,279
like that is a very humbling experience and teaches you

532
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,359
a lot of responsibility very quickly. So you know, maybe

533
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,519
these guys are starting to grow up and realize that

534
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,279
they need each other, and you know, like I don't

535
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,920
want to rule out the possibility of this working out

536
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,799
for them. I think it is very fair to be skeptical,

537
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,960
you know, Like the price that they paid is completely reasonable.

538
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
I love Nasrid. I know every Minnesota fan loves nas reading.

539
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we forgot that. My apologies. Let's let's just

540
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,799
list that we have it here. So Lameto goes to

541
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,000
the Hornets for oh and Josh Green goes to the

542
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,440
So yeah, LaMelo and Josh Green goes to Minnesota for

543
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,160
nas Reed A twenty thirty three unprotected first three first

544
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,599
round pick swaps in twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty and

545
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,279
three second rounders. By the way, this is fun, Like

546
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,640
we're beginning to see the inclusion of second round picks

547
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400
in star trades. Like that's not been a thing before.

548
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:23,680
Now we're starting to see it.

549
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, the second rounders are like or not

550
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,319
the second round. The pick swaps are weird. One of

551
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:31,880
them is unprotected and two of them were already tied

552
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,119
up in other swaps. Yeah, so they could be fairly meaningless. Yes,

553
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:42,880
so it's effectively nas one pick, one pick swap and

554
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,119
some fodder. But like it's right, not a huge price

555
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,480
to pay for a player of Lamello's caliber. I mean,

556
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,279
like de Jonte Murray arguably fetched more in both of

557
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,680
his trades in recent years. Yeah, so, I mean this

558
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,799
could also be kind of a sign of the times

559
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:03,880
with like how you know, a how teams are valuing

560
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,839
just max contracts in general, and be how they're valuing

561
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,759
draft picks, and you know what they're willing to give

562
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,279
up or not give up. I know, Minnesota already had

563
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,279
traded away a lot of stuff, so they didn't really

564
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,279
have a ton of options here. But you know it,

565
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,599
I think, especially in the wake of this new lottery reform,

566
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,920
the more deals that we see for superstars, the more

567
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,720
we'll start to get a sense of, like what is

568
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,000
the actual asking price for these types of players moving forward?

569
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,039
Because you know, I don't think I would imagine Hornets

570
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,000
fans saw that trade and I'm like, that's.

571
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:48,039
Speaker 1: It, right, yeah, Like, I mean, look, they safeguarded themselves.

572
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,599
Kobe White came back what three years seventy four? He

573
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,200
also got Christian Anderson. Oh, by the way, I John

574
00:32:56,279 --> 00:33:00,960
Hollinger deserves credit for this, but I saw, Yeah, that

575
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,920
was that was amazing, and I just need this to

576
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,039
become a thing. Hannas Christian Anderson, are you kidding me?

577
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,640
Are you kidding me? That's great? That is that is

578
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,960
just fantastic work.

579
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:16,039
Speaker 2: It really is.

580
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,839
Speaker 1: But like Christian Anderson coming off the bench, Kobe White

581
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,039
is there, Like I just I don't think the loss

582
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,799
of LaMelo is going to be that substantial. Sorry, Like,

583
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,720
like Kobe White, I did you see his per thirty

584
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,279
six numbers after getting traded to the Hornets. He was

585
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,079
damn near thirty points per game.

586
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: He was a monster.

587
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not saying He's going to duplicate that

588
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,440
over the course of a full season, obviously, But what

589
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920
I'm saying is I trust him to a certain extent

590
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,160
more than LaMelo in certain situation, also trust his health more.

591
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,359
And then you have Christian Anderson coming in, also a gunner,

592
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,759
also a floor spacer. I don't know. This just felt

593
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,440
smart to me overall, Like I gave them in my

594
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,039
trade grades over at Jahoo. I gave the Hornets an

595
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:08,000
A and I gave the Wolves A. See, I am

596
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,599
not loving it for Minnesota, and I'm like, but I

597
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,239
can be wrong, Like hell, we're all wrong occasionally, so

598
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,119
I will see. I'm open to being wrong on this one.

599
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,000
But I just I love the symmetry here for the Hornets,

600
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,559
especially when you also consider they got Honess at the

601
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Hanna Steinbach in the draft. It just feels like they

602
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,079
have such a well rounded offensive team, Like nobody plays defense.

603
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,880
That doesn't matter. They're just like gunning for one fifty

604
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,880
every single game. I'll take it.

605
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. I think the Hornets

606
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,280
will be fine. They also now create I guess we'll see.

607
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Maybe they turn this into like a sixteen team trade

608
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,679
by the end of this, but as of now, they

609
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,320
would create a forty million dollar trade exception, which is

610
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,840
the largest I believe in NBA history by a significant margin.

611
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,840
Like that's that's big enough that you can absorb some

612
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,599
pretty substantial players to that. Not quite Max guys, but yeah,

613
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,360
like a Julius Randall type could go into an exception

614
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,079
that big. So that's another option for them. And yeah,

615
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:14,360
I mean if they think that Kobe White can provide

616
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,079
eighty percent of the potential of LaMelo at fifty percent

617
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:26,280
of the price, right, No, And also, I mean this

618
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,880
goes I haven't seen much reporting from the Charlotte side

619
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,679
of things lately since this trade went down. I've seen

620
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,599
much more from the Minnesota side. Yeah, but it seemed

621
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,119
like Charles Lee just did not like LaMelo all that much.

622
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,840
I mean, especially early in the year, Like he was

623
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,440
pulling LaMelo in fourth quarters, and yeah, you know, he

624
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,480
got LaMelo. It seemed like he and LaMelo got more

625
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,960
of the same page as the year went on, and

626
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,639
like obviously they had a very strong second half of

627
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,079
the season. But you know, I don't know, I think

628
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:59,880
that would be the thing I'd be worth most were

629
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:06,039
about from a Minnesota standpoint, It's like, why did coming

630
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:07,639
off of the season that he just had where he

631
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,400
stayed healthy and you know, they finished above five hundred,

632
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,960
They looked really good those last couple of months, why

633
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,159
were they willing to move him at the price that

634
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:23,239
they did. Yeah, Like that's a fairly big red flag

635
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,519
to me.

636
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, agreed, And that is why I think that

637
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,719
was what they saw, Like they saw public opinion kind

638
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,480
of sway based on their finished last season or this season,

639
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,840
because technically next season is starting on what June.

640
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Thirtieth, I think so, like right, yeah, yep.

641
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and they just basically said, like I said before, oh,

642
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
like we we can feel that we can get something

643
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,360
for him now. We did not feel that that was

644
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,480
the case before, which again rech F, Yeah, they just

645
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,880
seized the moment. Yeah yeah, it's so where do you

646
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,880
leave on this? Like we're when you saw this news,

647
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,920
were like, what was your instant reaction? Was it, oh,

648
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,159
why did they trade ball? Or were they were you like,

649
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,519
oh they traded ball, good idea? Like what was your

650
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:18,159
gut reaction?

651
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: I My gut was more surprised from Minnesota's side than anything,

652
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,840
or just trying to figure it out from Minnesota's side, Charlotte.

653
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
I mean, you know, last night they ended the draft

654
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,480
basically saying the Lamello is being shopped. It could happen

655
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,559
in the next twenty four to forty eight hours, and

656
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Minnesota and torontover the two teams after him. And I'm

657
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,360
you know, I'm surprised that they did it at the

658
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,719
price they did it for. I would have expected them

659
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,440
to want more for him. So I'm just trying to

660
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:59,159
grapple with what that means about know, was it his injuries,

661
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,760
was it being you know, having not really never played

662
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,599
in the playoffs before, being considered unseerious, Was it like

663
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:10,039
some of the off court concerns, like why were they

664
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,960
willing to sell at the price they did? Yes, and

665
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,719
this was my kind of gut reaction. But no, I mean,

666
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,480
like they they've got a good thing going with Konk Nipple,

667
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,920
Brandon Miller, you know, I like the kids that they

668
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
drafted this year, Like they've got a very interesting young

669
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,159
core and now add nas Read to it. I don't

670
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,440
know that they're going to be you know, they need

671
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,800
uh like LaMelo was key to their offense. I think

672
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,679
they are going to take a step back this year.

673
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,599
But I don't know that this really meaningfully changes their

674
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,079
trajectory either way. Like I don't think they were going

675
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,000
to win a championship with LaMelo being paid what he

676
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,079
was and being kind of the focal point of that team.

677
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,320
And also I mean he was he's coming up for

678
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840
another deal soon. I think they were basically eyeing that

679
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,679
and saying, like, we don't want to pay this, so

680
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,119
we're just going to get out now before this really

681
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,159
comes to a head.

682
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I'm also skeptical of the Wolves

683
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,000
leaning into this because if those same issues materialized there,

684
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,199
you've basically just relinquished a team that made two conference

685
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,440
finals this in in a row and they made it

686
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,639
to the second round, right this year? Was that? Was it?

687
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Not the second round?

688
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

689
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Like that's that's yeah. Yeah, so that's all right, you

690
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,639
know what, I know how to how to sum it up.

691
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,159
This is just a risk, and I don't necessarily mind

692
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,840
risk taking. This just feels like such a huge risk

693
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,480
for the tuls. I'm I'm fascinating. I'm absolutely I'm not fascinating.

694
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:52,800
I'm fascinating dud by the outlook of this, right because

695
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,840
I feel as though this could go in a million

696
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,599
different directions.

697
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really could. It could be a landslide

698
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,960
win for either team, or it could just be like

699
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840
a giant kind of shrug.

700
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,039
Speaker 1: Like, oh this is where things it was wrong.

701
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this happened. I guess, fine, it doesn't really

702
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,840
change anything for either team.

703
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,639
Speaker 1: Right right?

704
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: I guess My concern from Minnesota standpoint is that if

705
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,079
this goes badly, they are more or less out of

706
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,199
chips to play. Yeah, so what does that mean? You know?

707
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,159
I think Wendy reported the other day that vultures were

708
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,400
already starting to circle over Minnesota and wonder when Ant

709
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,119
would want out, And you know, I think this pushes

710
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:48,639
that back, but that would be My concern is that

711
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,480
if this goes bad, does this start the process of

712
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,440
realizing we're out of you know, basically them being where

713
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,000
the bucks we're with? You honest, it's like we're out

714
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,679
of chips to play. I don't know what else we

715
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:04,239
can do here.

716
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I do see some similarities actually between

717
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:17,239
Milwaukee and Minnesota in that regard. I will say for

718
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,320
for Charlotte though, like I'm low key loving just the

719
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,519
flexibility they acquired here because Kobe White for three seventy four.

720
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,440
Like that's just below twenty five million a year. That's

721
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,599
such a steal. I think like they still they still

722
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:38,079
have Ca Nipple on a rookie deal for another three years,

723
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920
Brandon Miller for one more year than he has to

724
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:45,039
be extended or will He could be extended this summer,

725
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,400
but I don't think he'n's necessarily going to get one,

726
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,360
and if he is, it could be pretty cheap because

727
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,679
of the injury concerns. Like, I just don't think that

728
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,840
they are in a situation where they will be you know,

729
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,000
big big spenders necessarily, like I think their salary flexibility also,

730
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,199
So wasn't there something about them having now the second

731
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,920
most first round ers at their disposal something along those lines,

732
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,599
like they are beginning to have like their cupboards filled,

733
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,360
like the Hornets actually doing the NBA right they do?

734
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 2: Roster Man, what a world we live in? If so,

735
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,559
that's Rild, that's wild.

736
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna take one more commercial break and then we're

737
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,159
gonna be back with the draft. Just covering the basis

738
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:35,159
on that one. All right, Brian, the draft is over.

739
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:43,519
It's it wasn't a draft with lots of surprises at

740
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,320
least not at the top. Everything kind of went to form.

741
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:50,679
Like over at Yahoo, I was like on call during

742
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:56,599
the first round, and I remember telling my editor like

743
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,440
in the middle of the first round, like I need

744
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,719
something to react to because everything kind of like shaked

745
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,719
out like I wanted to or everyone kind of foresaw it,

746
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,519
which I think was interesting because usually within the first

747
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,079
five or six picks you have something going oh nothing,

748
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Everything was just kind of like like smooth. When when

749
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,760
according to plan, do you think any anyone in like

750
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
the top five or six made a big blunder? Do

751
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,880
you did you see someone where you went odd? They

752
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,800
should have gone in a different direction, like I have

753
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,920
some later in the first round, but not something that's

754
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,440
like totally creechous.

755
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,159
Speaker 2: No, it was an extremely chalky draft, like unusually chalky draft.

756
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,360
I would say, I think we knew the top four

757
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,039
and we had a good sense of what order the

758
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,360
top four we're going to be in. But even like

759
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,920
five through eight and a lot of mock drafts, knew

760
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,599
exactly Keaton Wagler five, Michael Brown six, like knew exactly

761
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,480
how they would all slot. I would say more as

762
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:59,559
Johnson at nine was arguably the first even like minor surprise.

763
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: I loved it.

764
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean they just hired his former head

765
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,039
coach in Dusty May, so you can understand why they

766
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,199
would go that route. I No, I don't think there

767
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,239
were any major missteps really from from any team, which

768
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,559
was impressive. I wish the Pelicans. We need the Pelicans

769
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:20,480
in every draft to really spice things up. We missed

770
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,000
them this year.

771
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think Kevin O'Connor over a yeah, who

772
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:28,440
had some draft rates and I remember reading them and

773
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,840
it was just like A A A A plus AAC

774
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,480
like and and and like that. I actually felt it

775
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,559
was kind of representative of the draft, Like there were

776
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,280
few where I was like, oh, okay, that's a little weird,

777
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,159
Like I thought Marrow would go higher, Like the fact

778
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:48,239
that you just fail down to like, okay, see his

779
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,800
laps at twelve was just like they didn't even have

780
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,960
to work for it. Bride. I thought I thought he'd

781
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,599
be gone at eight to Atlanta. I was kind of

782
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,559
weird out that they didn't go that route with him,

783
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,880
but like, all right, it is what it is. So

784
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,159
but but that's where I'm at, Like it's minor things

785
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,679
like oh, Mara went four picks too late.

786
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: Man, right right, Yeah, I mean like credit to you know,

787
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,480
the mock draft community and the people who are you know,

788
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:24,119
talking to scouts and teams, like, seems like teams were

789
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,039
much more honest this year, scouts or whoever, We're much

790
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,679
more honest this year about where guys, you know, we

791
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,239
got their projected ranges right. There was no Young Hanson

792
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,000
jumping you know, twenty spots like we saw last year. Yeah,

793
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,400
I mean Derek Queen obviously was the trade is what

794
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,400
made that so outrageous, although Dan did point out that

795
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,920
you know, you now look at the sum total of

796
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,360
that trade, Derek Queen for US and Newell and Kingston

797
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Flemings like still a win for the Hawks, but not

798
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:03,480
the landslide like they might get Cambooser or Ajdabansa from

799
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,800
this right, Pelicans dodged a bullet there.

800
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: And I will also say, by the way, the Grizzlies,

801
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,119
oh my god, the Grizzlies like to me the big winners.

802
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,039
And I'm not gonna split this into winter solutions. I'm

803
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,599
just gonna say they definitely like they had the sixteen selection,

804
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,320
they traded down to twenty first and they picked up

805
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,760
five second rounders and then they spent three of them

806
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,599
on Isia Stewart. So basically, yeah.

807
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: What's wild is that they I believe this is correct.

808
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,280
So they traded from sixteen to seventeen, got two second

809
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,840
rounders that was the okay see, and then seventeen to

810
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,679
twenty one was three second rounders that was from Detroit,

811
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,079
and I believe they just sent back the same three

812
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,320
second rounders to Detroit to get Isaiah Stewart. So they

813
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,599
effectively got Isaiah Stewart from moving down four spots in

814
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:03,159
the draft. Yeah yeah, and like from seventeen to twenty one,

815
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,000
not from you know one to five or six to

816
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,159
ten or whatever this is outside the lottery, moved down

817
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,000
four spots and get a center who is really just

818
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:18,440
a great fit for just their ethos, their organizational ethos.

819
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,639
So yeah, thin Grizzlies, really any of these team, I mean,

820
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,480
the Knicks did it too. They picked up a bunch

821
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,960
of second round picks to move, you know, ultimately completely

822
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,360
out of the first rounds. But it sounds like there

823
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,960
were you know, the top twenty to twenty five teams

824
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,880
felt pretty good about and then after that it was

825
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,239
a total crapshoot. And if there was not a significant difference,

826
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,719
you know in the eyes of scouts from good number

827
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,360
twenty five to number thirty five or number forty, then yeah,

828
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,760
hell yeah, pick up a couple extra chips that you

829
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,320
can use. You just got Jose Alvarado for two picks

830
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,280
two seconds at the trade deadline, and Jose Alvarado helped

831
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,280
to close out a finals game, Like especially for the

832
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,360
next team that's sweating the second apron and you know

833
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,320
it doesn't might be losing some key contributors from their

834
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,480
championship squad. Like, I thought that was really really smart

835
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,039
management from them. Yes, Grizzlies to like, kudos are any

836
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,519
team that pulled that kind of thing off. Less kudos

837
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,719
to your Chicago Bulls for selling draft picks. And you

838
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
were not the only ones who did it, but I

839
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:26,719
believe you're the only ones who did it twice.

840
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate you for keeping the shifting alive. I

841
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,960
really do, I really really do. No, but everyone sold

842
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,519
draft picks, right, I'm not even sure what so I

843
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,920
fell asleep during the second round. I'm not gonna lie

844
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:48,239
to you. I just did. It was incredibly uninteresting, Like,

845
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,360
did they even like the Bulls actually traded both of them.

846
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Right, They sold what the fifty six six the Lakers,

847
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,840
and then the Lakers sold that to the Mavericks, which right, uh?

848
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,079
And then yeah, they traded thirty eight for Cam Jones.

849
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,039
Who it sounds like they're playing on waving right. I

850
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,000
forget what else, but yeah, effectively, it seems like they

851
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,920
sold it without technically selling it.

852
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,679
Speaker 1: Right right, Oh, that was such an ownership move. But

853
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,039
I like, I do think that it seemed like the

854
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,320
Bulls actually did well in the first round. I think

855
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,000
the Spurs did well in the first round too. Yes, yeah,

856
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,559
Like I know a lot of people were like, why

857
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:38,559
two centers? Like did you see how much they struggled

858
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:41,159
grabbing a bucket out in the postseason?

859
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean why two centers? Because they Luke Cornett's

860
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,960
only under contract for one more year. And I mean

861
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,840
it sounds like the kid they got at number twenty

862
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,199
came out after and said he's still feeling pain in

863
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,840
his knee, needs another knee procedure, is going to miss it.

864
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,239
He's part of this season, so you know he's not

865
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960
He's like a long term he is a long term

866
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,280
home run swing that an organization like the Spurs in

867
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:16,320
particular are so uniquely equipped to exploit that. Like, man,

868
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,800
you know, there's a real chance that he busts, that

869
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,519
the injury just ruined him, and like he's never gonna

870
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,079
live up to the potential that he had. But from

871
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:27,639
my understanding, that kid was a lottery pick if he

872
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,280
stayed healthy, correct, And you know, you get that kid

873
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,960
to twenty, you pair him with Wemby if he's healthy,

874
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,440
Holy hell, you know, he's He's the type of guy

875
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,559
that you know, if if he stays healthy, we look

876
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:42,400
back in five years and I'm like, how the hell

877
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,719
did he follow the number twenty?

878
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:47,519
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, yeah, no, he's he's that dude. He's really

879
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,679
really good if healthy. But I also don't think you

880
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:54,239
should sleep on Charles Reed or Tarish Reed because like

881
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,480
I know that he wasn't a highly like perceived prospect

882
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,039
at you know, Yukon necessarily, but that dude is just

883
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:09,400
so large. Like when they, or rather when Okasee drafted

884
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,960
mara At, who's like seven three seven four, that was

885
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,239
sort of a response to Wemby, right, and the Spurs

886
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,880
basically said, oh, okay, we're fighting size with size. Now, cool,

887
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,760
let's get the six to eleven guy who's also like

888
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,519
two sixty two seventy, who's not gonna give up ground

889
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,719
because could you just imagine like chars Reid against chet

890
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,760
Holmgren two, Like Homers is not gonna o him. It's like,

891
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,719
I just I love like the chess match of it all,

892
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:43,400
and like, yeah, the Spurs still need a wing. They

893
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,679
still need like a real power forward. They can solve

894
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,480
that in free agency, like perhaps they pivot off Daron Fox,

895
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,000
who knows it's probably not gonna.

896
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: Happen, but well they got who had Malik Brown too?

897
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,039
Speaker 1: And the second they got yes they did, But I

898
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,480
you know when you're like, was that how late? Was

899
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:07,960
that right? It was pretty late for forty yeah, forty four. Yeah,

900
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,599
Like I just don't think you can look at Leak

901
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,599
Brown and go, oh yeah, the number forty fourth pick

902
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,119
is going to help us, But then again it's the Spurs.

903
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I mean you're not you're not banking

904
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,320
on him as like a key rotation player next season.

905
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,360
But he's just that's more size and more of like

906
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:29,320
forward rather than you know, I don't think I mean

907
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,639
terrorist Reed is just obviously a center and it's not

908
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,079
going to play much more will four. But you know

909
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,119
it also just begs the question of like do they

910
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,960
see is wemby heading down the Anthony Davis road of

911
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,360
you know, he's he's a five who wants to play

912
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,960
the four, right, But you know, maybe like Lord knows

913
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,599
he could shoot the three well enough to do it.

914
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,239
You know, maybe that is a good role for him offensively,

915
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,320
and then you figure it out defensively. But I mean,

916
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:03,920
man him. If those guys stay healthy, it's you know,

917
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,400
I think after I think after the read pick, I

918
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,880
tweeted or not tweeted whatever blue skide a gift of

919
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Godzilla versus King Kong, and I said, this is the

920
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,599
Western Conference finals next year. Yeah, this is gonna be

921
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,880
like a bunch of behemoths. I mean, now, okay, see

922
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,119
you have to keep Isaiah Harten's side. If you had

923
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,480
any concerns about doing that before, it should be gone

924
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,880
because now the Spurs are just even bigger than they

925
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,400
were when you face them this year. Yeah, it goes

926
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,039
back to the Minnesota thing earlier. It's like, I no,

927
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:49,079
even like Denver added what's his name, Trevon Brazil at

928
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,599
thirty five, he's six thirty. I mean Houston's got a

929
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:57,280
ton of size with Shengun Steven Adams Clincopella, like all

930
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,639
of these Western Conference contenders are so oh big that

931
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,360
it's gonna be really interesting. It's it's interesting to see,

932
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,199
you know, we went ten years ago the Warriors forced

933
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:11,280
everyone in the downsize, and now whether it's Wemby or

934
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,880
the Thunder or whoever, Like, yeah, it feels like we're

935
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,360
having the exact reverse trend happening now, right.

936
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I think I still think

937
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,360
the Bucks are in a better position after they pivoted off.

938
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Be honest, I did not cut their draft. I thought

939
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,199
you could go in better ways than what they did

940
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,119
at ten and thirteen. Like Berry, I like him, fine,

941
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,199
I just don't think. I just think you could have

942
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,800
gone in a different direction in ten Like I would

943
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,159
probably have gone Mara Mara over him, for sure. I

944
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:49,840
probably would also gotten Steinbach over him. But I'm also

945
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,800
a big stook, like I'm not. Like it's not that

946
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,320
I'm not a Braden Burry's guy, but I wonder if

947
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960
he's just a guy. If you catch my drift, like

948
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,280
I hope I'm wrong, like you know me, I'm I

949
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,559
always hope I'm wrong on prospects that I'm not crazy

950
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,079
about because the league is so much better when everyone hits.

951
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:15,000
But like I have some questions and Nata mend or

952
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,920
amend I mean not even short like the pronunciation of

953
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,440
that last name, because ESPN announcers just kept switching. But

954
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,440
I don't I don't like to be mean Brian, but

955
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,760
I'm still trying to figure out what he does well

956
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,000
on a.

957
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,599
Speaker 2: Basketball that does seem fairly problematic for a lottery pick.

958
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,039
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, six' ten almost six, eleven failed to

959
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,639
even shoot forty percent from the, three and LIKE, i

960
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,400
a lot of it was a bunch of dumb. Shots

961
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,519
some of it, was you, know by design that they

962
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,440
just threw him into the deep, end and because he

963
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,239
had to, CONTRIBUTE i get, it but he just he

964
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,719
just reeks up bad, habits which makes me nervous because

965
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,480
you sually bad habits with young players at that. LEVEL

966
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,559
i don't, know it's it's it's not necessarily. GREAT i

967
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,320
THINK i think they could have gone in better directions

968
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,559
with both those. Picks BUT i, mean at least they

969
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,440
got two bites at the, apple so it's it's easier

970
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,480
to at least try. Something as long as they don't

971
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:26,280
go over, five that's the nest That. Yeah, yeah and,

972
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,840
you by the, way, congratulations You're philadelphia seventy six. Ers

973
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,559
you got Your jared McCain, replacement which means that you're

974
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:38,519
going to trade him while his value is at an

975
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:40,119
all time high in two. Years.

976
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Uh, well the good news is he's one million dollars

977
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,800
cheaper Than jared McCain this. Year so this is, chess

978
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,880
Not checkers from The sixers respect, it but it's it

979
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,800
is very funny that they, went you, know traded an

980
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,760
undersized guard and then ended up picking another undersized guard

981
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,239
who might not be able to play With Tyres.

982
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 1: Maxy, Right, god what do you? Like is there any

983
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,840
other takeaway from the first, round second, round just the

984
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,480
entire draft where you were like, this we need to

985
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:14,159
talk about, this.

986
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,599
Speaker 2: Just the volume of picks, Traded LIKE i don't think

987
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:23,480
the second round in. PARTICULAR i there might have been

988
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:25,880
one pick that did not change hands at some. POINT

989
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,280
i Think toronto at number fifty IF i remember, correctly

990
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,320
BECAUSE i. Would, YES i was helping Edit Bleacher reports live,

991
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,960
grades and part of that was checking which team had

992
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
the pick and then which team it originated from and

993
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,559
then all of the other trades that preceded, it AND

994
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,280
i wanted to shoot myself in the face by the

995
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,239
time we got halfway through the second. Round that one of,

996
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,079
THEM i think it was pick, yeah pick fifty eight

997
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,440
go went to The, PELIKANS i Believe Eve. Yeah And

998
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,320
i'm looking at this on ESPN's draft tracker From detroit

999
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:12,719
via The, Knicks, Nets, Sons magic And. Clippers just get

1000
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,719
rid of the, pick just Like Adam silver should just

1001
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,599
take it if you traded that many. Times no one

1002
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,320
wants to fifty. Eight so, YEAH i mean just the

1003
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,639
overall volume of picks being. MOVED i mean it speaks

1004
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:27,000
to just you, know second round picks have become valuable.

1005
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,719
Currency we, see, yeah in a lot of. TRAIT i mean,

1006
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,280
again like how was The alvarado went for two? Seconds

1007
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,360
like two to three. Seconds seems to be the asking

1008
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,719
price for you, know rotation guys on expiring. Deals So

1009
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,320
i'm not. Surprised i'm guessing this will be a trend that.

1010
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,119
Continues and you, KNOW i will say that as much

1011
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:53,239
as you fell asleep during the second, round and you,

1012
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:55,760
know none of these names necessarily stand out as like oh,

1013
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,000
yeah this guy's going to make a huge difference for this.

1014
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:02,880
Team but the reigning FINALS mvp was the second round.

1015
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Pick oh, yeah three TIMES Mvp Nicola jokis was a

1016
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,199
second round. Pick, like we don't know which of these

1017
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,639
guys is gonna, pop but the odds are that someone

1018
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,639
does someone, yeah. Yeah AND i guess one we should

1019
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:20,480
talk about Is Henry vsar WHO i, mean he was

1020
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,800
supposed to be a late first early second round, guy

1021
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,159
and it sounds like that was some agent, manipulation WHICH

1022
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,559
i don't know how much you can speak to, this

1023
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,480
but it might be, worth you, know kind of explaining

1024
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,599
to the folks how, agents especially once you get to

1025
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:41,559
the second, round and try to manipulate the draft process

1026
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:41,920
for their.

1027
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Clients, OH i actually Have, Yeah SO i actually have

1028
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,400
a good example of this because there was A dane

1029
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:54,599
in the draft this, Year Tobias, jensen and from WHAT i,

1030
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,920
HEARD i haven't gotten it confirmed with his family WHO i,

1031
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
know SO i perhaps should just reach. Out but What

1032
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,599
i've heard was that they ASKED nba teams to not

1033
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,039
draft him if they weren't planning on playing, him basically

1034
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,599
like they didn't want to get. Stashed AND i Think

1035
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,400
that makes sense because that just Means tobias can choose

1036
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,440
his own team if he eventually develops further and becomes

1037
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:25,239
AN nba, interesting then his draft rights are not held like,

1038
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,239
hostage so he can just kind of. Choose of, course

1039
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,400
there's also this parameter of it, all WHICH i think

1040
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,360
is interesting that seems actually have to offer a guy

1041
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,519
a contract every single year to retain his, rights which

1042
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,559
that's something THAT i think more prospects definitely need to

1043
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,800
be aware of to because, frankly you could just say,

1044
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,519
yes they'll just wave your. Ass but then it's fine

1045
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,760
because then you're just you're going to be an undrestricted free,

1046
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,159
agent which will be anyway. Regardless so lots of different

1047
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:59,079
ways to slice that. Pie but, yes agents will love

1048
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,639
to get their fingers involved in these processes so they

1049
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,239
can get their guide to a certain. Place it'll be smoke,

1050
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,800
screens it'll be, threats it'll BE i have other, clients

1051
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:15,239
WHICH i technically also is a. THREAT i am a

1052
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,320
big proponent when it comes to the draft of teams

1053
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:25,559
just basically saying fu. TO i think agents serve a

1054
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:28,599
much larger purpose in free agency because that's where the

1055
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:32,920
real money are made AND i don't like billionaire squeezing.

1056
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:39,880
MILLIONAIRES i, LIKE i don't like either. Concept but you

1057
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,320
know WHAT i mean, though and so so, There i'm, like,

1058
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,960
cool go nuts, Agents but agents in the draft like

1059
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,760
trying to finaggle guys to a certain. Place i'm just, like,

1060
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,119
no you know, What teams should just take guys and

1061
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:57,719
say we dare you to make a, fuss, like, yeah

1062
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,199
we double dare you because that word is going to

1063
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:04,519
come out quick that you're not someone who takes this.

1064
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:11,639
Seriously so, yeah but like fifty, two he'll be a.

1065
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:13,559
PLAYER i think he's going to be in the league

1066
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,199
for a. While he's. Good you can shoot the three can,

1067
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,440
like he's a smart, player like he he can reap

1068
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,840
out at a certain. LEVEL i think he's pretty. Good M.

1069
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:29,159
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean it seemed seems like that was not

1070
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,519
a THE nba is sour on. You he just really

1071
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,000
wanted to go To. Atlanta AND i THINK i made

1072
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,280
great value For atlanta to get a guy who was

1073
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,800
projected to be a late first early second. Rounder yeah,

1074
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,920
yeah yeah at that, spot especially BECAUSE i know they

1075
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,639
went With zubie The Saint john's kid at twenty.

1076
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Three, yeah ittu four that was.

1077
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,639
Speaker 2: Weird, YEAH i, know Some hawks fans were a little you,

1078
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:00,960
know like they Took Kingston flamings at. Eight makes, sense

1079
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:04,719
you need a guard after Trading Trey. Young, great he

1080
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,639
can be your next point, guard the future. WHATEVER a

1081
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:12,000
big was their other main need coming into the. Draft And,

1082
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:16,679
zoobie you, know plays really, hard but it's six ninety,

1083
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,760
five not a traditional, big not really helping.

1084
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: Eight man like six six, eight, yeah six eight to forty,

1085
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,559
Five like he's really, good but, yeah he's he's so,

1086
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:29,559
small the little.

1087
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,559
Speaker 2: Guy yeah, yeah so, yeah it doesn't really you, know

1088
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,559
A congo is also small for a traditional, center so

1089
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,199
it didn't really address their needs in that. Regard so

1090
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,159
to get you, know a legit seven footer fifty two

1091
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:52,159
like The hawks, ARE i am very tempted BECAUSE i

1092
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:57,159
think they're like plus eighteen hundred right now to win The. East, Oh.

1093
01:03:58,559 --> 01:03:58,679
Speaker 1: I'm.

1094
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: Tempted tempted BECAUSE I I i, mean This Jalen brown

1095
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,079
stuff is still floating, Around Like windy is pretty resolute

1096
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:11,039
that he is getting traded this. OFFSEASON i think you

1097
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,199
can make a case That atlanta makes a lot of

1098
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,119
sense for A Jalen brown landing. Spot, heck maybe even

1099
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,400
Throw zoobie Or visa in into that. TRADE i, mean

1100
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,400
that's already a valuable. Asset you just got a guy

1101
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,400
twenty spots later than he was supposed to, go, right,

1102
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,320
RIGHT i Don't, yeah they even if they even if

1103
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,440
they just stand pat like they were already pretty good

1104
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:39,639
last year after the trade. TRADE i, mean, hell they

1105
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,760
won more games against The knicks in the playoffs than

1106
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,360
any other team, did including The.

1107
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: Spurs, yeah, true, True, NO i HAVE i have The

1108
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,639
hawks pretty high currently on my my seven League pass

1109
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:54,400
rankings for. Sure.

1110
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1111
01:04:56,039 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah oh by the, way LIKE i just hope he

1112
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:06,400
doesn't get The kings or, Sorry kang's staying on. Him

1113
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:09,639
m a cup itself at. SEVEN i love this. DUDE

1114
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:13,239
i know defensively he's a terrain wreck at this, point but,

1115
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:18,159
offensively like this dude might be you know HE i

1116
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:22,840
think he and And boucher could actually duke it out for.

1117
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: He did.

1118
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: IT i APPRECIATE i did for for A rookie of The.

1119
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,159
YEAR i think he's that good, offensively M.

1120
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:41,719
Speaker 2: I i can see. IT i, mean, yeah they're The

1121
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,519
lord knows they need the. Help they need.

1122
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,039
Speaker 1: Help they just need something, new and they finally have

1123
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,360
like a blue ship prospect like last or this. Season

1124
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,760
remember when at one point you AND i looked at

1125
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,679
the roster were, like did they have anyone under like twenty?

1126
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:02,800
Four they were just so old across the, Board like

1127
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,000
finally they have one guy who can, actually you, know

1128
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:10,280
become an offensive. Engine And Maurice johnson at, Nine LIKE

1129
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,360
i know a lot of people, say, oh that's. HIGH

1130
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,360
i loved, It like he's one of my favorite players

1131
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:15,519
in the.

1132
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,639
Speaker 2: Draft you gotta talk to your Boy hollinger about that.

1133
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:20,239
One he was pretty lukewarm on.

1134
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,159
Speaker 1: It H, WELL i, Mean john AND i don't always

1135
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:27,440
see eyd eye on on things. More i'm actually. Kidding

1136
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:33,639
we very often do rare courages that we. DON'T i

1137
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:37,840
just don't think he has any particular. Weakness really.

1138
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: Seems like a good player to pair With Cooper flag then.

1139
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah but like WHAT i mean is he's not necessarily

1140
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:49,920
someone who's elite at you, know playmaking or shooting or,

1141
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,000
something but he can't do it and then the big

1142
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,960
man stuff he just. Does like to, ME i always

1143
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,760
have this it's sort of like a cheat cheat sheet

1144
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,559
where IF i see a prospect who is, physical like

1145
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:05,960
he's built strong and he uses his wide body to

1146
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,639
like get himself an. ADVANTAGE i am absolutely in BECAUSE

1147
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,719
i don't like the hesitant guys who are like scared

1148
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:20,960
of contact and, like but the guys who just like

1149
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:26,679
what's the phrasing, here impost their, will impose their, physicality

1150
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,239
they always seem to just go places in the. League

1151
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,039
one of the prime EXAMPLES i have was going dating

1152
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:36,119
back to like the early two, thousands WHERE i Remember

1153
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:38,360
bulls fans at the, time AND i was included BECAUSE

1154
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,039
i was A bulls fan at the, time and it was, like,

1155
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:43,639
Oh Tyson, Chandler Eddie, curry that's, cool but both of

1156
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:47,119
them were so reluctant to be. Physical and then they

1157
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:50,239
had a game against The suns With Amari stotdemeyer And

1158
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,440
stoudemyer just ate them both, up like completely because he

1159
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:56,159
was so physical and he was just not afraid of.

1160
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:59,079
Contact and that was WHEN i, Realized, oh, yeah that's

1161
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,760
that's where the difference. Is, like if you are physical

1162
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,840
and you're willing to apply that, physicality good things are

1163
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,760
going to. Happen, well Res johnson on both ends of

1164
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:09,599
the floor does.

1165
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:20,159
Speaker 2: That so what you're saying is that you like prospects with, size, length, athleticism.

1166
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: Physicality, OH i know what you're trying to, do. Sir

1167
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i'm not fighting on that. One not you're such an asshole.

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Speaker 2: Flap, yeah the new acronym take THE nba by storm who? Knews?

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Speaker 1: Yeah oh, boy oh. Boy well on that, Note, brian

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can you let the good, look let the good people

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know where they can find your work starting what you're working?

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On oh?

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Speaker 2: Boy what AM i? Working who? Knows the whole week's

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been a Blaur uh you can find. Me I'm Blue

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sky AT B T O P O R. E find

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GENERAL nba Content Forbes sports and fan sided uh sixer

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stuff At Liberty, Ballers lakers at Silver screen And. ROLL

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i had the piece up today about The Minnesota lamello,

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trade UH, I, lakers The Austin. Reeves oh we didn't

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even talk About Austin.

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Speaker 1: Reeves yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah SO i broke down kind of what his contract

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means for them heading into free agency spoiler, alert nothing

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other than it might impact what mid level exception they.

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Have Uh and then, YEAH i WROTE i just returned

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To Liberty ballers like a week, ago two weeks, ago

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AND i already got to write About jared. McCain so

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that's how you know. Where PLUS i wrote About filon.

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Trade The filon pick actually might help redeem The jared McCain,

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trade because you, know you can make an argument that

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those those two guys are roughly. Equivalent and then the

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six who's also got three second round picks that they

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can use to tax dump, one if not two. Players,

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yeah next, Year, stine very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Stuff all, Right, well thank You brian for joining the

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show again and to talk about. Offseason i'm pretty sure

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we'll link up in the coming month or.

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Speaker 2: So something tells ME i will. Say i'm on vacation next.

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Week so if THE nba wants to just go on

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pause until About july, SIXTH i would be very. Happy,

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YEAH i think that's going to.

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Speaker 1: Happen, YEAH i don't. SO i don't think. SO i

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don't think they're going to cater to your, schedule, Stir

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even THOUGH i, WOULD i would appreciate it as.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah deeply. Disappointing all, right well we will we

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will slum it until. Then.

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Speaker 1: Yep indeed for one listening, in thank you for doing.

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So until we talk, again have a good one and

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stay safe. Everyone