Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willa Shure, host.
I'm really excited about our guest tonight. His name is
Dan Carlson. Then communicating with him, I think for somewhere
about a year or so, someone that had an interest
in UFOs and made a lot of sense when I
talked to him when we had our exchanges. Just a
couple of things. First of all, if you see this
beautiful painting, you can't see the whole thing, but I'll
bring it up here. I just wanted I wanted to
thank some people tonight. I just feel like I time
I should thank some people. And this right here is
Palmer Murphy. I told Palmer that my favorite painting in
the MFA in Boston Museum of Fine Arts was called
Colm Morning by Frank Benson, and so one thing led
to another. He made me this beautiful copy. He is
a very talented artist, and you will know him from
many sculptures that he's done. He's very well known for
sports sculptures and things like that, and what an amazing artist.
But Palmer has been helping out with this show forever.
He's been sending me, you know, updated news constantly on
all things that are going on. I mean, I owe
so much of what I know in the UFO world
because of what Palmer has done, and you know, it's
I'm very grateful for all he has done. And there's
some other people to thank too. First of all, Donna
the producer, helps out so much the great support and
helps me with guests and also travels with me when
we go places like we just came back from Nova Scotia.
That was a blast up there, Shag Harbor and and
you know, driving around up there is such a beautiful
area and wonderful people. I also want to thank Phil
who's been a longtime supporter of the show, helps me
out quite a bit. Brock helps out with over at
Facebook posts on there all the time. Peggy was doing that,
did that for about seven years and she still helps
in a lot of ways. Thank you, Peggy. Moderators of
the show, Jan Monica bo I believe there's one or
two others. There's Joe and Jay Call and Juan who
has helped out, you know, many times with this show.
So our blog this week by Charles Lear. I should
say Charles Lear too because he definitely helps out with
all the blogs and audio blogs. The blog this week
is called UFO Tray Trace Evidence in South Africa and
it has to do with a tennis court. Very interesting
back in nineteen seventy three, and so check out that
over at Podcastsufo dot com. I do want to give
a warm shout out and we're you know, it's such
a tragedy we're having with these you know, the high
temperatures of the ocean will give a lot of power
to these hurricanes. One's burreling right now towards Florida. I
know a lot of people listen to the show in
Florida and North Carolina, parts of South Carolina and Florida
as well as Virginia, especially North Carolina was hit so bad.
You know, our heart goes out to all you people there,
and I'm so sorry that you have to go through
all that you're going through there, and hope you get
through it well. And I hope but that you know,
help gets to you. And I know there's a lot
of listeners, like I say, in that whole area, and uh,
you know, we're really thinking of you and hope you
get through okay. So uh, I guess I also want
to thank you the listener. Of course, those who listen
to the show and those who help out just by
supporting and by passing our you know, our shows along
to other people. Thank you all, and we're ready to
bring earn our guests. Dan welcome, Well, do you good evening?
Speaker 2: Thank you Martin. It's nice to be here.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know. I it's funny we've been communicating
the next thing. You know, you're on UAP Crossfire where
I used to be on that, and uh, so I go, oh,
I didn't know you would do a show. So and
I was pretty impressed with your stories and all that,
and so you are. I'm glad you glad you had
the time to do.
Speaker 2: This, love to thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I don't know. You probably told a
lot of people, tell me a lot of things. I
don't remember everything. Now. You'd wrote books, but I didn't
realize that you had written You have two books. I
didn't even know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have two in the science fiction paranormal category,
Species Unknown and Species Unleashed. Both are available on Amazon
dot Com. I've written other books, but those are the
two I think of subject matter that would be most
interesting to the audience tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have quite a background. If you would,
why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: Okay? We born in Minneapolis Saint Paul. Spent the first
thirty years of my life in Minneapolis Saint Paul. I
was a TV weather presenter at WCCO, which is a
fairly prominent CBS affiliate in that market. I went into
Christian radio in the late nineteen eighties and that drew
me out to the Black Hills of South Dakota. I
just love it out here. It's the highest mountain range
between the Rockies and Europe, and we enjoy fairly varied
weather existence out here. It can go from from blizzard
to heat wave and no time flat. And so I
became a weather presenter and eventually a broadcast meteorologist out here.
And during my time here, I invested in my outdoor love.
I am an angler, I'm a hunter, I'm a hiker.
I take photography outdoors. Just a great place to do
that in this part of the world. And then after
a while I started writing some newspaper columns. Got noticed
by Cabela's, the outdoor retailer, and they brought me to
their headquarters in Sydney, Nebraska in the southern Nebraska Panhandle.
My wife and my kids and I moved down there
and we spent fourteen years down there with Cabella's. And
then during that time I decided to branch off. I
went into ministry. I pastored a couple of churches, one
of them part time, three of them part time. And
then the call came to minister full time back up
in the Black Hills where we started out. So Karen
and I moved back here and here I am.
Speaker 1: Wow, and how long have you been back? Are you
back exactly where you were before?
Speaker 2: Same little community called Bellfouche. It's on the northern part
of the Black Hills, and we had lived here from
nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety three, and then we came
back two years ago. So here we are and we
are loving it. In fact, you had a guest, a
military man who had an experience by a missile silo
where he was abducted. That missile silo, of course, it's deactivated.
Now that's maybe a twenty five minute drive from here. Wow,
Mario Wood, I want to get the exact location from
you so I can go out and take a look
at it. I thought that would be kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mario Woods and that was the site was called
November five. November five, Yeah, that's the missile silo. But
I don't know exactly, but I'm making easily. I'm in
touch with Mario the time we had lunch together, not
that long ago. But you know, I can definitely ask him,
you know, exactly where that is. I'm sure he has that.
Speaker 2: Fantastic I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you really want to go
there though. Oh that, oh my god, that whole the
situation is so bizarre. But you yourself have had a
couple of UFO sightings.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I want to preface this by
saying that UFO or UYP the first word is unidentified,
meaning I don't know what I saw. And it's funny
how we have experiences in life, especially in childhood, that
seemed to stick with us for some reason. And I
have no idea why these two things have stuck in
my head all these years. But the first one, I
was only about five years old and my dad and
a friend of his were taking me phishing. And you
know how it is when you're a little kid and
dad says, I want to take you fishing, you're so
excited you can't wait. And so we hopped into a
vehicle that some of you may be familiar with called
a station wagon, and then we went all the way
to this lake. But on the way and this is
very early in the morning, sun hasn't been up very long,
I noticed in the sky something that looked like a
crescent moon. It was kind of that half dome shape,
and it was moving back and forth like a pendulum
in the sky. And I said, Dad, why is the
moon moving? And he didn't look. He says, on the
moon doesn't move, It's just there in the sky. But
Dad looking. Eventually, my pleadings led him to look, and
he stared at this thing and he said to me,
don't worry, Danny, it's it's just the moon. And then
I heard him conversing with his friend, what do you
think that is? I got no IDEA moon doesn't move,
and look at the way that thing's moving. And what
they finally settled on. This would have been about nineteen
sixty five or sixty six, and that was the height
of the space program, and they decided between themselves it
must be Na conducting some kind of an experimental test
in a remote area because at that time in central Minnesota,
not far from the community of Staples, there's a lot
of open area even to this day, just a lot
of swampy area, and you can get turned around and
they're pretty quick. Well, a few years later I was
attending the Covenant Pines Bible Camp near McGregor, Minnesota. McGregor
is the crow Flies, not very far away from Staples.
But I remember lying on my bunk one night in
the cabins and these were beautiful A frame cabins, and
you know how one end of an a framed cabin
can be windows from Florida ceiling. And I was lying
there and it was the middle of the night. I
couldn't sleep. I was so excited about the activities going
on during the day. I would have been about nine
or ten years old at this point. And I looked
out over Davis Lake. We were on the cabins that
are on Davis Lake. This area sits on a peninsula
between Round Lake and Davis Lake. And a little after
midnight I saw this round object and it was perfectly round,
but it had little little bumps around the edges. If
you can imagine the old TV weather symbol of the
sun that has the little little bumps around it. It
was like that, and it came in low over Davis Lake.
My hobby has always been aviation and airplanes, and I
was saying to myself, boy, that's coming in kind of low,
but I don't hear anything. And it swooped over Davis
Lake and over the cabin and I'm thinking to myself, Wow,
what was that. And there was a bridge at the
far end of the lake that's over a channel to
the next lake. And next thing I know, I saw
it swoop down and pass over at very low altitude
that little bridge and then zip off into the night.
And to this day, I have no idea what that was. Now,
there's an air force base not far from there. It's
the Duluth Air Force Base. There's an Air National Guard
unit there, but they fly the jets that are pretty noisy.
They had like RF four C Phantom jets and they
would fly missions over the Bible Camp. In fact, in
the dining hall we had a picture that they sent
us that they'd taken of our camp. And those make
a lot of noise. If you've ever been underneath a
fighter jet, you know that, Wow, they're there. This was silent,
so perfectly silent, and to this day I don't know
what it was. But about that time on television in
America came the show called UFO. I don't know if
you remember that with Jerry Anderson, and they had a
submarine with a fighter plane on it that would take
off and they had a moon base. And me and
my buddy, we were totally into that program and we
watched it every chance we got, and we really got
into UFOs. And this was the early seventies now, and
then long about I think late seventy three or early
seventy four, a book came out. Now, I've always, as
a youth been a reader far above my grade level,
and I had read everything of interest to me in
the school library, so my parents would occasionally buy me
a book I really wanted, and this book came out,
called The UFO Experience by J. Allen Heineck, and I
started reading that. Boy. I was so fascinated by what
he had to say and how that was, how he
had been a part of a government program to help
investigate UFOs, and he kind of became a cult hero
of mine. But after a while I got more and
more into paranormal things that kind of branched off from
the UFO, and I began to feel dark, kind of
this oppressiveness come over me, and I had to walk
away from h I was. I was a young Christian
boy at the time, and I was in church twice
on Sunday once on Wednesday every week, and I just
there was something off there. So I did walk away
from it. But then I started listening to podcasts about
ten years ago, and it was maybe five or six
years ago. I stumbled across your podcast, Martin, and it
rekindled my interest, and so I began to listen to
you a couple others, and you know, started reading things
here and there, started following UAP News and some of
the other guys that are well known was a Ross
Coulthart and Bryce's Able Yeah I need to know, Yeah
Corbel and George Knapp and through you, I started listening
to Mac maloney for a while.
Speaker 1: And that he's a character.
Speaker 2: He has got me hooked up with. The guy on
there was Commander Kobra, who was out Crossfire, and so
that's I kind of fell fell into this this little
group and I'm very happy to be here and eager
to share about the subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, someone just put up a very
similar you know, just what you were talking about right here.
Mary Grace Kirby asked this question, what are some of
the dance own paranormal experiences and did any of them
can conflict with your ministry Christian worldview?
Speaker 2: Really, my ministry has been as an adult. It was
as in a child that I had these paranormal experiences.
My buddy and I began to explore remote viewing and
we would try to describe the surroundings in one another's home.
He lived across town, so we would talk on the
phone every day, and we kind of messed with that
a little bit, and then I had something occur one
night that absolutely scared me so badly. I was lying
in my bed in my room in my home, and
I began to have this feeling of you know how
when you sense danger, your body kind of your metabolism
increases and you start to sweat. And I couldn't figure
out why. I mean, I was safe in my own home,
and I happened to look down. And in those days,
we had something called shag carpeting. I don't know if
you remember that, but it's carpet that's really thick. Oh yeah,
that in my bedroom, and I saw footfalls in the
carpeting walking away from my bed. There was nobody there,
but it was leaving footprints in the carpeting. And that's
when I said, no, no, no, no no, I can't
do this anymore. And I kind of prayed my way
out of that as a youth, and now I've come
back into it a little bit more well armed from
the spiritual perspective to deal with things that might be
of a demonic nature. And I want to clarify here,
I'm not saying all uap UFO things are demonic or
spiritual in nature. But one of the things I just
really loved about something you say all the time, Martin,
is that more than one thing can be true at once,
and I try sometimes. I know that the UFO community
sometimes attacks each other and they get pretty pretty serious
in their in their conflict, but I've always been kind
of a mediator, kind of guy, a bridgemaker to bridge peace,
and it was the reason I contacted you first. I
don't know if you remember, was several months ago. Was
earlier this year, you'd had a guest on your podcast
who said something very cruel about Christians. He said that
basically we didn't have something along the lines that we
didn't have the intelligence or believed in those silly myths
to be a part of this discussion. He was dismissing
what some of them had had said to him. Well,
you know, having been a meteorologist for many decades and
know a thing or two about earth science and still
like to be part of this conversation, I objected to that,
and you acknowledged I had a valid point, and then
we got to talking with one another. And I think
that it's important to do that, that we recognize that
the only way we're going to survive as a country
is if we recognize people for who they are and
allow them to be that way. You know, there are
names I could throw up here that immediately I expect
blood blood pressure would go like this if I said,
say Mickuest. Oh, no, all of a sudden, pulses have
gone up. People are beginning to turn the red, their
veins are popping up. But look, you have an option
when you listen to somebody of being let's call it
triggered or not. And what I tell my congregation, I'm
a full time pastor now is They say, why do
you give someone else the power over your emotions? Because
that's what you're doing. If somebody says something, all they've
done is spewed some words into the atmosphere. But if
you allow yourself to get worked up over what they've said,
that's on you. So just chill and relax, eat the meat,
spit out the bones. And if we never had any
contrary opinion spoken, how would we grow as individuals? Would
just be stuck in this echo chamber, always hearing what
we want to hear, And that's not a way to
live life. That's not a way to grow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be nice if if we
could be that way in so many different ways. Of course,
you know, I'm not going to go into it, but
you know, there's a lot of divisiveness, and I really
you know, not to get way off topic, but I
do believe you know that social media does social media
really is the gus lean on the fire. It seems,
you know, where these conspiracies spread and you know, I
mean the mistruths and you know, no one knows what
to believe anymore, and that goes for UFOs and almost
anything else.
Speaker 2: You know. So on the UFO topic, let me just
point out I know that there are some things everyone
who's interested in this subject can agree on. Let me
just say one, some things that are reported as UAPs
are man made. I think everyone would acknowledge that a fraction,
whatever it may be, of these things are built by humans.
They're experimental aircraft something like that. Yeah, some are misidentified.
They could easily be identified if we saw it from
another perspective. You know, the light is shining a unique
way off a bird or an airplane that takes on
a different form because of the way the light shines
on it. So when you look at all of the
different things people say that these could be, you've got
man made, you've got misidentified, you've got inter dimensional, you've
got time travelers, you've got inter planetary. Did I miss anything? Martin? Oh,
here all the time? The astronaut one.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, that one is. You know, that one's
kind of scary to me. Then when the possibility of
something that has been here all along, you know that,
you know, that whole type of thing kind of freaks
me out a little bit for some reason. I don't
really know why. You know, you know, when they talk
about the possibilities of being under the ocean and you know,
something that's been here forever and and maybe perhaps a
higher intelligence than us, you know, like we're not the
top of the food chain. Is That's what Louel Zondo said,
there's something that what if? What did you say? And
I asked him about this last time. He was on
you know, what if something has been here all along
and we find out that we're not the top of
the the food chain so to speak, you know, mentally,
you know, when our capabilities Yeah, and so yeah, I
mean it's it's enough to certainly fascinate anyone that wants
to take a look at it.
Speaker 2: In all these years that you've been doing this podcast,
which of those six things do you lean toward?
Speaker 1: Can you say that one more time? I have the
volume down.
Speaker 2: A little bit, sure of all all these years that
you've been doing podcast, uf all, Yeah, which of those
six things do you lean toward as being the most
likely in your own mind?
Speaker 1: M It kind of varies because for a while I'll think, well,
you know, it's it's just possible that it's exert interrestural,
that we're being visited by somehow they figured out, you know,
the physics that you know we haven't discovered yet, or
you know that that type of thing, and then you know,
I think, well, maybe there are ways to travel between dimensions,
and you know, so I kind of go back and
forth in my thoughts, but I don't really you know,
I'm the first one to say that I really don't know.
I really don't know.
Speaker 2: That honesty of your approach is so refreshing. Right now,
I lean toward the interdimensional, and by interdimensional, I include
in that spiritual because throughout human history you may not agree,
but humankind has known about beings that seem to appear
out of nowhere and then disappear, and they interact with
humans in various ways. In the Bible, we encounter the
term angel. Well, that word that we translate as angel
into English in both Hebrew and in the Greek, which
a good portion of our ancient texts come from, means messenger.
So these are messengers from another dimension. As a Christian,
I believe that there is a dimension in which there
is Heaven. There's a dimension in which there is Hell.
There's a dimension from whence beings come to us and
interact with us according to whatever spiritual assignment they have.
And as we investigate the UFO phenomenon, I think that
we should be able to accept in our mind that
at least some of these could be interdimensional slash spiritual
beings in the terms of angelic or demonic. Clearly not
all are, and I'll openly admit that. But you've heard
people say that if the truth were to come out,
it would destroy religion, to which I say, how the
knowledge that people from another dimension are coming into our dimension?
I mean, read the Bible, that's pretty much the whole
book and interacting with humanity and doing very is things
to or with or for humanity. Yeah, kind of been there,
done that. And you even have some people in the
UFO field who are looking forward to a day that
a superior intellect, extraterrestrial intelligence comes to humanity at our
time of need and dispenses with evil and ushers in
a new age of peace and prosperity for all. And
I say, yeah, we call him Jesus, and you might
call him something else, you know, in what you're looking for.
So before you mock me for my belief that Jesus
came and left and is going to come again, kind
of run it through your own mind as to what
you believe, because we all have faith in something. The
human is meant to worship something, to look for something
higher or better than ourselves. And if you don't fill
the God shaped void with God, something else is going
to come in there. Because the enemy of our souls, Satan,
he has one job, and that job is to take
as many people to hell with him as he can.
He's read the end of the book. He knows the
Bible better than I do, and all he wants to
do is mess things up in people's lives. And so
one of the reasons I'm involved in this now is
to try to dispel deception, because the Bible does say
that as we approach the fourth quarter and through the
fourth quarter, if you will, of humanity's existence, deception is
going to increase. And as deceptions increase, people aren't going
to know where to turn for truth. And I ask it, Martin,
you'll look at the world today, even when you look
at whatever news you watch, how can we know what's
true anymore? People need something to be able to hang
their hat on and count on. And as a pastor
and a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I
have a solution if people are will need to listen.
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast today and it was
a philosopher that was on there and he was talking about,
you know, the truths and lack of truth and he
said the funniest thing. He said, if it was one truth,
then nobody would want to pay attention to it. He said,
there has to be like a little has to be
some type of manipulation in order for the human to
pay attention. And you know, there has to be some
type of you know, like they people are not interested
in just the plain truth. I feel like I am,
you know, I would love to you know, know, what
is actually factual and truth instead of all these things
being spun one way or another. And you know, there
was some report I heard of like fifty four percent
of Americans do not want to follow politics because they
don't know what's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sad in a country where we're supposed
do we elect our leaders if we don't know what's true.
Yesterday I was listening to a podcast as well. It
was Avi Lobe. I know he's been on your show
and he was on for I think almost three hours
with Sean Ryan. Very interesting discussion, and what AVI brought
up at one point is the moon of Jupiter called Titan.
I think it is that has a liquid ocean a
different composition than ours, and how badly he wanted to
go fishing there just to see what was there. But
also that how he wants this artificial intelligence that we're
now in the process of creating to be put into
a research drone that we can set out to these
various planets. And I immediately had a red flag go
up in that, because if we're going to program an
artificial intelligence and send it to a possible interaction with
an ex terrestrial race, we have to program a sense
of morality into it or we could be in trouble. Now,
what do I mean by morality. Morality is simply determining
what is right action and what is wrong action, and
choosing what is right is the moral course. So let's
say we send this robot to a distant planet or
even Titan, and let's say that a tight knees person
comes up to it and comes up and starts slapping
this thing. What have we programmed into that robot with
artificial intelligence concerning response to perceived aggressive behavior which is
more important in its programming, self preservation or no conflict
with an encountered species. We need to have it know
what to do. It may be that on Titan, the
appropriate greeting is it a handshake or a smile, it's
a pat on the pad on the chest, and maybe
it's just saying hello. If we're going to be sending
artificial intelligence into other worlds, boy, we have to be
careful that we get that programming right. And then how
do we decide whose morality to put into it.
Speaker 1: That's that's all good points, all good points. I was
went out to lunch with some high school friends yesterday.
Three other friends. I hadn't seen two of them in many,
many years, and I brought up the fact that, you know,
I was ready for the eye rolling. You know, they
know I did you know auctions and antiques, and I said, well, yeah,
I also I do a show on UFOs. And there
was you know, a little bit of silence, and you know,
they're all kind of contemplating the whole thing. And then
one of them said, well, you know, if if they
are aliens, and why would they come here, We're just
we're just going to shoot them out of the sky,
you know, and that's kind of like you know, unfortunately,
you know, I don't know how we'd really react to,
like say, a presence this country, for instance. I'm not sure,
you know, if if something landed, would it be more
like War of the World's where you know, all the
tanks came up and ready to fire, and you know,
and or that's been in a lot of different movies.
You know, we probably you know, and I would have
to say, yeah, I could understand we should be ready
to protect ourselves, but you know, I mean to the
first thing you do is want to shoot at it
or something. That would be a big mistake. I think.
Speaker 2: I think if if they're hostile, and this is something
that goes through my mind, they're probably very smart strategists
and they're going to do things in a more subtle
way than direct confrontation. There's a hypothetical that I brought
up on Ui Pai Crossfire. I'd like to pose it
to you as well, Martin, And this is a scenario
of a first contact situation. Let us say that a
group of beings from an outer planet finally decides they're
going to make themselves known, and they come and you
want a saucer each lands and all the major capitals
of the world, and they present themselves as friendly and
they're meeting with world leaders and they say things on
Earth weren't going so well. So we're here to bring
you a new age of participation in an alliance or
association of planets of intelligent beings where we have here.
We're giving them to you now no charge cures to cancer, diabetes,
the five of top killers of humanity, and you know,
just as as as an opening gift to you, and
we are going to allow you to participate. But there's
just one thing, just one little thing we need you
to do. There's this group of people over here. They're
not a majority, so you won't miss them, but they
have to go. You have to get rid of them.
How do you think whoa most of humanity would respond
to that?
Speaker 1: I would, I would I yeah, I don't think they
would do it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say that that group is evangelical Christians.
We're not very popular in some circles.
Speaker 1: This one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or what if it's homosexuals, what if it's people
with red hair, what if it's you know, pick any group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't pick any group or any single anyone
out because you know, we're all just as important in
my opinion. So how would you determine I know, you know,
maybe save a bunch of lives, But how would you determine?
I mean, who would want to determine who would have
to go?
Speaker 2: You know, I really admire your optimism, Martin. You know,
last year there was a study done and I think
it was somewhere between fifteen and seventeen percent of both
Democrats and Republicans thought that the world would be a
better place without the others. So right there, you got
more than ten percent of people want to say goodbye
to a large group. And I'm not all that confident that.
I mean, throughout history sad to say, you look at
it's been this group against that group. And heck, if
it's only going to cost us, you know, five hundred
million out of eight billion, small price to pay for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but who decides, you know, to make that decision?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Who does make that decision? That's I have other
interesting questions I want to bounce off you here.
Speaker 1: If you don't, wow, I feel like this is a
really good interview that I'm being interviewed by. Oh, thank you. Okay, yeah, okay,
I think I'm ready. I was at fortally Yeah, but
I'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Every civilization, for it to function, has to have a
moral code that guides them. They have to have their
own rules of right or wrong. What do we know
about these visitations from aliens? And you've interviewed so many
people who've had encounters or abductions? Is there any indication
in a message as to the moral code that guides
them their does and don'ts? Any idea?
Speaker 1: No, you know, I mean, you know, the different accounts
that I've heard. You know, I haven't spoken to anyone
directly that had a horrible situation, you know, but I
have heard the stories, so so I really, you know,
I really don't know how to answer that. I mean,
it seems to me that if whatever it is can
do whatever it wants, then for the most part, as
far as we know, you know, nothing tragic has happened.
So it seems like there's some type of code that
they have.
Speaker 2: You know, this this might even go by species, if
you will, And keep in mind, I'm fairly new into this.
I've not immersed myself as much as as you or
perhaps many of our listeners have. But the Nordics seem nice.
I think they just kind of blend in and seem
to be helpful. The Reptilians, I guess, are nasty. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if I I hear
these things, and I don't even know if I have
an opinion whether these are you know, I've heard the
Reptilians and the tall the tall uh what is it
the tall Whites and the or they the Nordics. I
don't know if they're two and the same, but uh,
you know, the rebellions or the mantis. I had someone
try to tell me that they they were a mantis
and turned into a mantis on occasion, so uh, and
that person may be listening right now, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Well, you had a guest on three four years ago.
It was talking about visits that she had her at
her uh at her cabin if it was in the Northwest,
from regular visits from bigfoot creatures and these little things
called elementals that she called elemental spirits. Well, the Bible
specifically says don't mess with the elemental spirits. I mean
it's right there in all the versions. They're bad news,
stay away from those, and it also has room for
the existence of creatures that we may not yet have studied.
How many new species do you think we're discovered last year, Martin?
Speaker 1: I know there's quite a few new species discovered. There's
also a lot of species that are getting extinct every
year too, But I wouldn't have I wouldn't be able
to tell you a number.
Speaker 2: More than twenty thousand. Now. A lot of these, a
lot of these are smaller, but there are also I mean,
I've been I think there's been two new species of
whale discovered in the last year, and so there's a
lot of big stuff out there that can hide. I'm
kind of transitioning here into cryptid. I hope you don't
mind for a moment, but the I was part of
a TV crew that went and filmed a series for
the Rapid CITTV station in Alaska, and being an outdoorsman,
the idea of cryptids is always fatd me. You know,
there many times I've been alone in the deep dark
woods and you get that feeling that you're being watched
by something and you turn around and you don't know
what you're going to see. But I put myself five
feet from the cameraman and microphone and did a stand up,
but they call a stand up in the news business.
And you could not tell I was there, that's how
thick the brush was. Wow. You know, I'm a pretty
decent sized guy, but you couldn't see me. So if
something has survived by being shy, sure, wide open to that.
And what if we only explored fifteen percent of the ocean.
We've got a lot of exploring on Earth to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, getting back, So let me just ask you
before we move way away from this topic. Yeah, how
are these twenty thousand? And is this kind of like
an average per year also? Or this was this last
year just exceptional?
Speaker 2: No, it's routinely in the in the you know, more
than ten thousand. Now, a lot of this is insect. Yes,
a lot of it is tiny, you know, shrews and
new kind of mouse and and you know, small reptiles
or lizards and things like that. But every once in
a while it's it's something you know, very large, and
you know, something that has been there all along, we
just didn't know. And if that's the case with animals, now,
how do we know that something's not living deep down
in our caves? Or way beneath the ocean that we
just haven't found yet.
Speaker 1: Well, why don't we take a little skip into the
Bigfoot thing? Because that to me, you know, I mean,
anytime I get into conversation with someone about Bigfoot, you know,
it comes up. Well, how come no one's ever found
a skeleton or you know, any type of remains at all,
or den or you know this or that, and so
just want to hear your opinion of that.
Speaker 2: I have spent countless hours in the woods across this country.
I've been on outdoor expeditions from the Rio Grande Valley
to Alaska, from the Pacific Northwest to the East Coast,
and in all those hours, I have never come across
the carcass of a dead bear. Now should I conclude
that bears don't exist as a result of me not
finding any physical evidence of them. I saw a television
program a number of years ago where they wanted to
see how fast things disappear that are dead in the wilderness.
And they took the carcass of a deer that had
been road killed, and they set it out and they
did a time lapse of it for as long as
it was there to see how long it took to
break down to nothing, and I think it was five days.
This was in Alabama, so it's a little more hot, hot, humid.
It was Alabama, Mississippi, somewhere down south, but that was
down to nothing. Started with the larger predators. You know,
you got your foxes and your coyods to come and
eat the meat, and in a process they dragged skins
and bones away. Then of course the bugs were there
the whole time, and they're planting eggs and they're eating
and so for But it was gone in less than
a week. And so if there's a large animal living
in the most rugged terrain around us, we may not
find it if it doesn't want to be found.
Speaker 1: Well, I understand what you're saying about the bear, but
I don't know it. Just what if you were looking
for bear remains that was your goal, you know, I mean,
would that be different? But also doesn't a skeleton unless
you said sometimes the bones are dragged around. But I've
come across like a skeleton of I think it was
the sheep one time, and on the edge of a
field scared the heckotomy. But you know, but I mean
there it was, so I would think the skeleton remains
would be around that we don't have to argue forever
about Bigfoot, and I don't know if it exists or not.
Speaker 2: Just a closing remark on that to tie into what
you said, if you see the way that the scavenger
animals behave, they'll usually take a piece and drag it away.
They want to eat a loan. They don't want to
eat it in the company of their competition. So you
may find a bone in the woods and you'll look
at and say, well, there's a bone in the woods.
You got no idea what it comes from. It really
isn't until you find, like a skull that you can
ascertain the difference between say a certain species of deer
or antelope, that you can put it into that category.
But if I just found a femur, you know, I'd
have to take it home and do some online research
to figure out, Okay, is this from a young elk
or a white tailed deer or is it something else?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would like to get also into,
you know, somewhere in this conversation as it's moving right along,
how the Christianity and all of that place into you know,
I mean, one of the things I've heard people say
to me a million times, not quite a million, maybe
half a million.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: That what if we discovered that, you know, we are
being visited, these are beings from another planet, then all
of you know, the faiths and religions would crumble, which
I don't believe. And I just wondered what you're what
do you think? Just think in your mind through all
the different types of religions that we have here in
this country, how do you think that they would be handled?
If it would be handled, if we've found out, hey,
we're being visited by you know, these beings, these beings
are from another planet, and they arrived here and we
know they're here, how do you think that would be handled?
Speaker 2: You know, I can only speak to my limited knowledge
of other religions. I certainly don't think it would affect
Buddhism or Hinduism much because they have a more cosmically
oriented faith. I think that the scientologists would be delighted.
As far as Catholics, I think that the Pope has
said that if the aliens come and want to be baptized,
they'll be happy to do it. Yeah, and you know,
from my perspective, it's not really a big deal as
far as the faith issue. But now if they come
and they start behaving in a way that is harmful
to the faith by promoting things that the Bible prohibits
as normal behavior, then I'm really going to start to
look at their origin story. Now, are they really who
they say they are? You know this this supposedly benevolent
minute visitor. We all remember the the It was a
Twilight Zone with the cookbook episode of everything's going swimmly,
swimmingly until we wind up in the soup and the Bible.
Speaker 1: That's a cookbook.
Speaker 2: Yes, how to certain how to thir Man is a cookbook.
There are repeated warnings throughout the New Testament, do not
be deceived, do not be deceived, do not let anybody
deceive you. And it says that there is coming, in
the time of the End, when the forces of Antichrist
begin to rise, a deception that will be so convincing
and so good that it would even lead the faithfull
astray if it was possible to do so. But God
has said that nothing can snatch us out of his
hand if we're following him and believe in him. So
this is going to be a very convincing act. And
it's just you know, in the last year or so,
i'd be in a wonder might UAP play a part
in this? Now correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard
rumblings from some people talking about UAP of government officials
that will create a fake alien invasion or something like
that to try to get people to, you know, fall
in line or say have you heard anything like that?
Speaker 1: No, okay, No, I haven't heard anything that sounded incredible
like that. No.
Speaker 2: I thought a guy named Stephen Greer was saying something
like that. Oh yeah, I may be wrong, I may
be grand, but no, that.
Speaker 1: Would be that would be possible that he would say
something like that. Okay, And no, common is all I
got to say.
Speaker 2: Okay, if they're if they are, if anyone in the
comments knows you know, something about a supposed alien invasion
or oh.
Speaker 1: You mean in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something something that's going to it's just around the
corner that is going to bring the whole world together
because it has to.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so well that's optimistic, I think. But yeah,
there was there was there was this do I want
to call a rumor? I'm not really sure. It was.
It was like the game of telephone. This was getting
passed around that in twenty twenty seven, something is coming
for sure, you know, and all this, and so I
try to chase that down and where I got when
I got to the source of it, and it has
to do with a former CIA and all this, you know.
So when I got right down to the bottom of it,
then it it had no legs at all. It was
nothing too even. You know, it started in a place
that was not a It started by someone that had
no idea what they were talking about. Okay, that's how
it all started.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like we were saying, how do we know
what's true? How do we know what isn't? You know?
We've got people out there making extraordinary claims about recovered
craft and bodies hidden somewhere, And you know, I always
try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until
I have reason not to. And then, of course, once
you've lied to somebody, then it's kind of hard to
get your credibility back.
Speaker 1: And I have no doubt that there.
Speaker 2: Are people being manipulated and used who think that they're
telling the truth, but they've been manipulated into that category.
I just don't know. All I know is I know
who I've believed in, and I'm persuaded that he's able
to keep everything out committed to him against that day
of judgment. So I stick to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I understand what you're saying. And there's you know,
I have thought this too. What if you know, let's
just go with David Grush. You know, he seems very authentic.
He's a very intelligent person, very very much a patriot, uh,
you know, and I he went through the whistle blowing
all the formalities of doing that exactly the right way,
you know, and he came out with these extraordinary claims
as you mentioned, and you know, one in one of
the things that he has he had claimed and mentioned
and a few other people have also, I do believe
was not a real situation, which made me think it's
possible that he has been fed you know, misinformation to
what end. I have no idea why they would even
anyone would even do that doesn't even make any sense.
But you know it's uh, he could have been used
in a way for at least part of that.
Speaker 2: Yep, it could have been he could have been you know,
the Bible to speak that as the time clock winds
down for humanity, we're going to see more UAPs. It
doesn't say U A p is is signs and wonders
in the heavens. So we're going to see some amazing
things happen in our skies just as time rolls along.
So it's really no surprise to me that, you know,
as we've become more adept in our sensor equipment and
with our telescopic year and with the lenses that we have,
that we're seeing more things because we were told a
couple thousand years ago that we would see more things.
As to what they are, that's the big question, And
you know it's something that you and I have tossed
around here a couple of times back and forth in
our conversation tonight about there being one thing or more
than one thing. But I do think that there's something
I would just want everybody to consider for a moment.
One thing that I keep hearing is if we're not alone,
then why you know that surely the universe must contain
tens of thousands or billions of other beings, and that
you know the universe is full of life. So let
me just ask you kind of a dour philosophical question.
What if it isn't I mean, really, what if we
are all that is, as far as flesh and bone life. Now,
some people might be frightened but that idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but think of.
Speaker 2: How wonderful it could be if just for a moment
or a few minutes we thought about that. If this
is all we have, why should we be at war
with each other? Why should we be at polluting this
planet and destroying it? Shouldn't we all because we would
be so unique and so special. Shouldn't that be an
idea that we could get behind and treat each other
the way that we want to be treated, and treat
our planet the way that God wants us to treat
our planet. I think that. Yeah, Yeah, there's that Clark
Clark quote, isn't it both are equally terrifying? That's that's
I love that quote. That's a good one. Thanks for
bringing that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, you know, either way, you know, whether
we're this is that or not. You know, it's it's
just really too bad that we're a warring species. You know,
it's a it's a shame, and you know everything is
you know, you know, we're so driven financially to be
in war, you know, to the war machine, like Eisenhower
warned us of the industrial military industrial complex all that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's this interest that these beings seem to
have in our nuclear weapons. I mentioned this the other
night on Up Crossfire. What if their reason for their
interest in nuclear weapons is because they're afraid of them,
that they're the only weapon we have that poses a
threat to them. You know, I don't know. Ye, yes,
nuclear weapons bad. Nobody wants to see mushroom clouds. As
a meteorologists, that's one cloud I don't ever want to see.
But what if that's all we've got in a war
of the world's situation? I mean, there is the possibility
they could be hostile. I talked to three guys in
the last week who were in the last two weeks
who are really into the subject, have been into it
for many, many years, and they all have come to
the conclusion that they're malevolent.
Speaker 1: And did you say malevolent?
Speaker 2: Malevolent? They do not mean us good?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if that was the case, I think
we'd probably know by now, you know, because people have
been citing things for so long, it seemed what are
they waiting for?
Speaker 2: Did you know that four million people go missing every year?
Speaker 1: I know, well I think of that every once in
a while too. The David Paulaidies for one one. You know,
all these people missing mysteriously. You know, a lot of
them are found or a lot of some do not
want to be found, you know, I mean, some want
to escape whatever situation they're in or whatever. But there
is that there is a number of people that do
just plane go missing.
Speaker 2: And in the United States that number annually averages five
hundred thousand that are never heard from again they go missing.
That's a lot of people to suddenly disappear. Yeah, and
the actual number of disappearances is more than that. But
as you pointed out, those are either people who voluntarily
wanted to disappear, or people who've been taken by a
relative or something like that.
Speaker 1: Now, and just ask you real quickly, do you have
some type of messenger that's going off. I keep hearing
like a buzzing sound, like a vibration buzzing sound. It's
not I know, it's not on my end, so it's uh,
but I'm not sure where it would be coming from.
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Speaker 2: So I have some more questions.
Speaker 1: I know we were going to be hanging out and
we have some questions also in the in the chat true,
So yeah, what would you like to do? Would you
like to continue on with that conversation or do you
want to take.
Speaker 2: Some questions from listeners. They've been patiently waiting, all right.
Speaker 1: So people who are posing questions please put them in
all caps. As doctor Richard did. Do you believe as
JS did, that the forces of cultural evolution will create
a moral populace? If so, would that happen to aliens
as well?
Speaker 2: Well? What you have to answer when you're when you're
asking that question is whose morality does the populace follow?
And does one group's morality allow its coexistence with another
group's morality. I mean, there's still very few, very far
between and remote. But there's an island in the Indian Ocean.
I believe that it is still off limits to everybody.
You can't go there because if you go there, they
kill you and eat you. In their culture, that's a
perfectly acceptable way of life.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the most five hundred thousand people go.
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're in somebody's pantry. Oh God forbid. Okay,
So does someone else have a question that you saw there? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that that's basically yeah. So I'm just
looking for the ones and caps right now. Now again,
if you and I know there's another one. I just
saw it.
Speaker 2: Someone says he found three bears, and I say, how
many of those did you shoot? That we're dead?
Speaker 1: And what do you think of the group that says
the visitors are all love and light.
Speaker 2: When I read the accounts of people who have been
abducted and what some of them have endured, the things
that have been done to them that some Mufan people
have told me that they had done to them, that's
not love and that's not light. That is assault, sexual assault,
violation of individuals. There is a group they call themselves
Close Encounters of the Fourth Fourth Kind or CE four,
and they say that they have more than three hundred
documented cases in which people who have been abducted have
invoked the name of Jesus and the experience has ended.
I believe didn't Betty Hill in her testimony say that
during her experience she recited the Lord's prayer or a
hum or something and that's when they finally let them go.
Speaker 1: So that's possible. I'm gonna just send a text to
someone that knows that story pretty well.
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, I'd like to know the truth of that. Again,
we're trying to get to the bottom of things. But
I do think that some of these are demonic, And
by demonic, I mean they are the enemies of humanity,
and they desire to hurt, to kill, to discourage, to dissuade,
to do anything they can to destroy humanity. And so
in those cases where you feel their demonic. And I
was talking to one investigator about the experiences where they
come into your room at night. Well, this idea of
things coming into your room at night goes all the
way back in human history. They used to be called
the incubus and the succubists back in the Middle Ages,
of these beings that would come into the room at
night and either mentally or physically somehow prey on the
victims as they lay in their beds. If you are
experiencing that and a terror comes over, you call them
the name of Jesus. What have you got to lose?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: I mean, just and let me know how that works
for you. I'd love to be able to add one
in the Jesus winds column. But there's this group that
says they have more than three hundred documented cases where
that's been and I've read some of them and they're
pretty convincing. So that's just an element of that would
be a part where they messed the darkness, tried to
mess with the light and the light one another question.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, here's a well, this is a statement. Why
would they be afraid of nukes if they could just
turn them off? How do they know?
Speaker 2: How do they know they can turn them as all off?
Speaker 1: They did it right, they have on it in the past.
And the person just answered me and Betty Barney Hill
and was unaware of any praying in particular. But you
know that's something it could be easily looked into.
Speaker 2: Okay, with the missile thing, you know, if they were
working on a way to disable the nukes, would they
want to test it. Well, they still had the advantage
in their flight characteristics and the ability to outgun or
outrun us.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll Well, here's another thing. If if they really
wanted the nukes to be gone, and they were as
advanced as they possibly are, then nukes wouldn't exist. You know,
they would all be deactivated and not be able to
be recreated, you know, and the event, which would be
fine with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a nuclear word. They could deactivate them in flight
if they're so concerned about them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, there is this there is this section
of people that think, they really think that the aliens
are going to come in and save us from ourselves.
But I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 2: If they could have done that a long time ago. Yeah,
if that's if that was their plan, they could have
done a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Here's another question here. Do you think the Vatican knows
more than us?
Speaker 2: I think they know more than they tell they'll tell us.
Do they know all? Nope?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And let's see, here's another question here. Do
you think that all these abductions are because the aliens
are extracting human DNA for hybridization experiments?
Speaker 2: The idea of let's call it alien human hybrids, it's
been around since the Book of Genesis, where you have
fallen angels intermingling with female humans and creating an ancient group.
What's the nephelim? I think it is referred to. And
there are some people who believe that these beings were
of incredible size and they did a lot of damage
back in their day. This is part of the whole
what came before the flood section, and the Bible's pretty
sparse on that, but it does allow for the room
of these things. But are they looking to get human
DNA for hybridization purposes? There are many ways to get
human DNA these days. They can get it off a
drinking glass, you know, if you know, or if you
leave a follicle of hair somewhere, they can get it.
They don't need to be dragging you out of your
room at night and throw you out a table and
violating you to get DNA.
Speaker 1: Right, this is just a point. Well, I don't know
what type of science. We've been doing some type of
science for probably more than four hundred years, but just
different types of different types of science. I would say
maybe the modern science is four hundred years old. Here's
another one from this one's from Old Gaffer. I like
your name, Old Gaffer. Are any Bible Scott Sky sightings UFOs?
Speaker 2: Not in the sense that we're thinking of them. You know,
people point to Ezekiel, Well, Ezekiel said that he had
a vision of Lord, so I mean to him that
that was his interpretation of what he saw. It's a
pretty bizarre thing that he describes, and if you try
to look at some artists renditions of it, it's kind
of amazing. But we don't have any indication of UAP
or UFOs being described as such or anything other than
appearances of interdimensional beings. Now, the Star of Bethlehem is
an interesting thing because scripture tells us that this light
in the sky actually moved, you know, it led the
wise men the magi to one location and then it
led them to another location. So whatever that was, it
was not a star in the sense of the word.
It was something supernatural in that instance, and you know,
they refer to it as a star. If we have
to remember when we read the Bible, in ancient texts
or even history a couple hundred years old, that people
will describe things according to the knowledge that they have,
and they will interpret things based on only that which
they are aware of. And so sometimes we see these
written descriptions of things that seem bizarre to us. But
we have to kind of give them some slack. And
I think a mistake that we make is when we
think of people who lived many years ago as not
as bright as we are. No, that's not correct mistake. Yeah,
they were as bright as they could be within the
limits of the knowledge that they had. And I'm sure
that if you were to sit them down in a
classroom today they would be and learn our ways and things.
They would be as just as intelligent as you and
I are.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure there were Einstein's in the past. Yeah,
you know, I mean people that were like that. Here's
another question here from Mary Grace Kirby. Do you think
they're interested in our souls? Perhaps that's why DNA is taken.
Speaker 2: It's really really interesting. In fact, I talked about part
of this in my sermon last Sunday. I showed this
up on the screen. Scripture is clear that God imparts
his soul to a human being while that person is
still in the womb. There's something going around on the internet.
I believe it was taken at Northwestern University, and it
is a video of a human egg in a woman
and what happens the moment that a sperm cell enters
the egg and it shows a flash of light, And
we believe that's because of a chemical reaction that takes
place involving I forget it was zinc or potassium, one
of those, but there's actually a visible flash of light
at the moment that that now becomes a zygote or
a fertilized egg, and there's something miraculous that occurs at
that moment. So DNA, I don't think lives. I don't
think our soul lives in our DNA, and I don't
think that anyone can create a soul. So that would
be my answer to that question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do a lot of thinking, I can tell.
So one of the things, you know, you passed me
some notes, you know, and I thought there was a
couple of really interesting things that you have thought about
and looked into and all that you know a lot
of times when well most of the time, I would
say ninety percent of the time people claim that they
see some type of being, it never has any type
of breathing apparatus or any type of thing like that.
And that was one of the questions when I was
up in Shag Harbor, Shelburne. I happened back in nineteen
there was, you know, an exercise that was done off
the coast of Shellbourne, Nova Scotia, where they were doing
underwater recovery exercises and they saw too, This is between
Canada and US, and they were in seven fathoms about
forty seven feet of water, and they clearly clearly saw
these two discs and like there were these beings working
outside on one of these discs. And I asked, did
the divers actually say they had breathing apparatus, And the
answer was no, there was no breathing apparatus, which makes
you think about all kinds of things. But still, you know,
one of the things you think about when people see
all these beings without any type of mask or anything
like that. You know, we all watched War of the
Worlds when they they and we know about when you know,
the missions went to different islands in different places that
all these people died with European diseases because you know,
they weren't ready for them, they did not have them
in their system and immunity to them. So why do
you think people are reporting that these beings are without
any How can they breathe the atmosphere? And how come
they're not wearing anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I'm going to put my science hat
on again from my meteorology days and look at this,
and I am confused as to how a being could
exist potentially on another world and that atmosphere, and unless
that atmosphere is nearly identical to ours, come here and
breathe with you know, impunity, and then also breathe underwater. Now,
unless there's a guill mechanism that we're not seeing, I
don't know how that could happen. What I would ask
those who saw these beings under the water would be
were there any bubbles coming up from them at all?
Any sign of Because when we breathe, we take in,
you know, the oxygen, we breathe out the carbon dioxide.
What do they breathe out? And that would make if
it you know, they have to be gaseous unless they
had gills, then there would be bubbles.
Speaker 1: Or they use their epidural they use their skin, somehow.
Speaker 2: Use their skin. There would have to be a biological
adaptation that allows.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't need oxygen. Maybe there's they exist some
other way, you know. I mean, it's just where we're
always put our things and what we know. We really
don't know anything.
Speaker 2: Right, But then there's still the pressure, remember, because you know,
you go down forty seven feet. I don't know about you,
but if I go diving down to the bottom of
a twelve foot pool, you know, I can feel the
pressure on my ears and the you know, yeah, pushingian
on it. And here on Earth you don't realize it,
and I don't realize it because they're completely adapted to
do it. But your you and I right now have
several tons of pressure on our body, right and if
you and I were to suddenly be thrust into the
fringes of space, we would start to inflate like a balloon.
Speaker 1: And that could happen.
Speaker 2: It would be very yeah, very yeah. I'd do that
at a buffet. But anyway, you know, you start to
see this expansion and there was a movie starring Sean
Connery many years ago called Outlander, and he was on
this He was like a cop on on some distant
moon mining operation and many people got, you know, out
the air lock with him, and you'd see them blow
up and pop like a balloon. So here's this creature
that is so adaptable to do this, I really question.
But again, all I have is my own framework, my
own mindset. Yeah, that'd be a pretty cool ability to have, right,
I mean, if I could breathe underwater, I'd be out
at the reservoir looking for the biggest muskies and where
they live. And I'd be out there tomorrow in a boat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or I'd be treasure hunting. Here's another question here.
If official disclosure happens, how will that affect Christianity and
our fundation Christianity and our fundamental biblical beliefs.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to point paint, you know, a
completely rosy picture here. There will be some will be
very upset and fall away. But those whose faith is strong,
we'll look at that and say, Huh, that's something I
didn't know yesterday. Uh, And you know it. I think,
what's what is of more concern to the Christian community,
What do they want with us?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And what how is it going to affect us in
terms of what's going to change in terms of being
able to get along with these beings? And that goes
back to the hypothetical opposed earlier.
Speaker 1: Right, And yeah, I think everyone would not That wouldn't
be just Christian, that would be you know about everyone
would like to know how are we going to get
along with them? And what do they want? That's you know,
the one of the three questions. Who are they? Why
are they here? What do they want? You know that that.
Speaker 2: Is so important Martin, And I'm glad you brought that
up because what is the primary drive of any species?
It's a cybele preservation, self preservation and pass on genetic code. Ye,
so that the next generation is a little bit somehow better.
What do we have that their interaction with us would
make them think that they will be better and their
species will be advanced by interacting with us. They come
here because they want something, I'm firmly.
Speaker 1: There, you know, I or they're just curious, you know,
I mean it's hard to when you say this type
of thing or ask this type of question, you're kind
of thinking in human terms. But we have no idea
what an alien species thinks, or what their motives could be,
how they you know, how they approach things. We have
not a single clue because right, you know, we have
no idea how they think.
Speaker 2: Right, But if you believe as I do, that there
are two forces in the world, moving now into the
metaphysical philosophical that there is good and evil, and they
are going to have to be aligned somewhere on that
spectrum of predominantly benevolent or predominantly not and the kinds
of questions that we need to ask, like, you know,
they say, I've heard some encounters where they say that,
you know, when you get to a certain point, we'll
consider you to be part of the space community or
federation or whatever it's called. Well, what are the rules
that govern that alliance or that federation? What what what
are you know, what's the charter? Say? I've heard other
people's say that, well, this group is at war with
this group of aliens, and you know, we're kind of
in the middle, and there's this tug of war going. Okay,
what are they fighting over? What, what are the purposes
of the conflict, and why are we in the middle
of it. Is it a space realitate state thing. I
don't think so, because there's plenty of space. You know,
you don't need to fight over territory in space, I
would think. But yeah, there's there's there has to be
a motive. That's where you're you know, what do they want? Question?
Is oh so important? Yeah, show UFO. I watched years
ago that what they wanted was our organs. Remember that
they were transplanting us into themselves.
Speaker 1: Oh god, well, no, that wouldn't be good. Here's another
So the question does revelations mention what could be UFOs?
Speaker 2: A revelation is a book that has a whole lot
going on. I'll tell you what. There are all kinds
of signs in the heavens and visions of strange creatures,
and and you know, you have angels flying through the
sky making proclamations. You have a dragon, you have a
duel with the dragon, you have a pregnant woman, and
all these things are appearing in the heavens, and so
you know, I'm not going to say that they're UAP
or alien, but there's a whole lot going on in
the sky. The Bible doesn't really tell us anything in
terms of you know, a silver disc will fly over
a place called New York City. You know, it doesn't,
that's not the way it works. And there's also a
lot of metaphor and a lot of symbolism in there.
So no, I don't think that in our discussion of
UAP apart from the angel demon side, that some of
them could be that there's any mention of say spacecraft
or underwater craft in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Now, you said earlier you had some questions for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've kind of woven them into our conversations
a bit here or there, and like about what kind
of government do they have if they're at war? Why
are they at war? And do we know anything? Do
they have a perception of religion or an afterlife? Do
they ever talk about a god or a superior being or.
Speaker 1: So that's really interesting. You know you mentioned earlier that
there's a drive to have, you know, like a power
greater than ourselves. And I remember I was in high
school and Time magazine on the front cover had a
picture of a brain and it said it was Time
or one of those magazines I can't remember, and it said,
if there is no God, our brains are wired to
invent one title of it. Yeah, and it was like
brain research they've done yet, And yeah, I mean that
is very helpful to people to have some type of outside. Now,
if it comes to aliens, I don't know would that
work for them? Is that somehow or do they know something,
you know, greater than we could ever know about what
is actually what it's actually all about?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean there's this great clip I played on this
channel somewhere where Jack Jack Wiener, one of the two brothers,
twin brothers, that was in the allegash incon In in Maine
in the nineteen seventies, seventy eight or something like that,
and he claims that, you know, he had like an
experience with the being and the being said showed like
the star binary system and said, this is where the
highest intelligence live in this particular I think, you know,
our I'm trying to think our galaxy, I believe, And
and he says they got there and then it sounds
really bizarre, and he said it was hard for him
to say it, but they got that way because of
unconditional love.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: I thought that was quite quite a statement.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you really think about if you
think hard about that one statement. It sounds crazy, but
can you imagine if we had unconditional love for each
other how different the world would be?
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I can't imagine it, because it's
prophesied in scripture that there's going to come a day,
you know, when evil will be vanquished and we will
live united, enjoy and in peace with the devil and
his demons. They're gone, They're in Hell forever, and those
of us who have embraced God's gift to us will
live with eternity, live for eternity, not going to be
sitting on a cloud with a little halo and little harp,
you know, playing like that. No, there's a whole universe
out there, and I'm sure that God has some great
and wonderful plans. In fact, it says in the Bible,
I has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it
entered into the mind of anyone what God has in
store for those who love him. So that's what I'm
looking forward to. And if this is truly a race
of beings that has gotten to the place where everything
is love, then that tells us a lot about them,
and they would be perfectly aligned with what the Bible says.
It says God is love and so that is light
and him is no darkness at all. So that is
something that should be embraced. I'd like to meet those aliens.
I'd like to hang out with them for a while.
Speaker 1: See see what. I'll send you the clip of him
talking about that'd be great. Yeah, so you know, I
mean it really, you know, it makes you think about,
you know, this whole thing. But how you know, we've
developed and I think we're kind of in a rough
spot right now. But let me ask you. I've never
asked anyone that has your type of beliefs this question before,
but what do you think about when people talk about
past lives and reincarnation and all that.
Speaker 2: I do not believe in reincarnation. I believe that what
the Bible says, it is appointed unto men wance to die,
and then the judgment that this is the life that
we are given from God. I do know of instances
where the past life thing has been a demonic deception
for people. But you know, one of the things that
I struggle with is if we just have to keep
doing the same doing life over and over and over
and over again until we get it right. That's upsetting
to me because you know I right now, you know,
my knees hurt, my prostates bothering me. I don't necessarily
want to go through all of this all over again.
I hope maybe I might get to the next level,
But what's the next level after human? Uh, you know,
enlightened human? And you know, if I'm to be absorbed
into a global or I'm sorry, universal consciousness, then I
lose my individuality at that point. And if I lose
my individual individuality, how will I know I've gotten there?
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a couple more. This is
the way off the UFO topic. I hope my listeners
are okay with it, but so let me just ask
you this. How about the people that are born and
they're here for a week and they're gone. I mean,
what was the purpose of that had an hour or
then that had some severe mental issues that could not
you know, even though they're alive type of thing, and
you know, and survive and you know what I mean
for a while, and then they're gone. You know, I mean,
what is the purpose of that? And I don't know
if you ever watched I forget the name of the movie,
but they had this this guy. All these things were happening,
like the fish were all dyeing, the sea turned red
and all this, and it had to do with a
I think he called it the gull was out of souls,
no more souls left. I think there's you know, I mean,
do you think about these things that are a certain
amount of souls that are available or they're endless? And
you know, if you think all these you know, I
think it was. I forget how many billions I have
looked into it before, people that have existed since mankind,
and I forget it's something like, I forget five hundred
billion or something like that. I don't even know. But
I mean, you think there's a place for everybody?
Speaker 2: I do. I mean when God placed Adam and even
the garden of Eden, and he give him two instructions.
He said, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth
and subdue it. But that word subdue sometimes translate have
dominion of When you look at it, it's a custodial term.
He's saying, manage it, well, take good care of what
I've given you. He gave us earth. What a wonderful
planet we have. If we could just stop with all
the negativity. I just want to side note, put a
pin here, go over here. If you haven't gotten out
into nature lately, it's a wonderful time to do it.
Go and see the northeast and here into black hills
or someplace where the fall colors are in effect. It's
absolutely gorgeous and just the Bible says, what can be
known about God, His individual attributes are evident in the
things that he has made. So he's speaking to us
through creation. Now, coming back to what question you asked,
is there a limit? He said, you know, take care
of this and then be fruitful and multiply and fill
the earth. He didn't put a number on it, didn't
say but we're going to limit each of you to
three kids or you know, something like that. Just said,
be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Because one
of the things we do know is Earth is incredibly resilient.
It really is to have handled all of the different
catastrophes that it suffered throughout its history. You know, we
think of, you know, the greenhouse gases that we're putting out,
and I'm not going to go into that side of
the thing, but how volcanoes spew such a massive amount
of that stuff in a single eruption at the Earth heals.
Very early in my meteorology career, Mounting Helen's erupted. Oh yeah,
And I remember watching that ash plume on the satellite
pictures overspreading areas and they were saying that life will
not be possible in a slow hopes of my Mount
Saint Hello's for one hundred years. Well within ten years
we had trees coming up, the elk coming back Spirit Lake.
There is recovering. So Earth is incredibly resilient. That's not
an excuse for us to abuse it at all. We
need to take good care of it. But I would
say to you that no, there is no limit to
the number of souls, and we should people should have
as many children as they're capable of supporting.
Speaker 1: And you know, I I always you know, the Bible's
written by men. You know it was man made. So
how how do we rely on that so strongly? I
know this is a getting way off the UFO topic,
But how why is that taken so strongly? And I
you know, just that question may offend some people that
are really into this. I don't know, but I'm not
trying to be offensive in any type of way. I'm
just I just think of, well, you know, that's you know,
quite a thing, but it's still written by man. And
then King George, our King, King James, King James, thank you.
King James came to the Wong, changed changed some things again,
you know, interference with man, and it's over the years,
you know, reprinted and printed, and then you know there's
other books and you know, from other different types of religions,
and you know, why should one be better than the
other or make more difference than the other.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a whole podcast right there. The Bible
is truly a unique and interesting piece. It's sixty six books,
or in some denominations a few more called the apocrypha,
but the canon of Scripture, that which is considered the
word of God, is sixty six books. These books, the
earliest one is the Book of Job and that was
written sometime between fifteen hundred and two thousand. The oldest
was written near the end of the first century. So
you've got a period there about twenty one hundred years
written by more than forty different men from different backgrounds,
different education levels, and throughout that period, referenced itself more
than sixty three thousand times. There's a graphic you can
find on the Internet. It's created by Chris Harrison, Associate
Professor of Human Computer Interaction at Carnegie Mellon University. Jordan Peterson.
I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's
used this in some of his lectures about the Bible.
The Bible is the world's first, oldest, most extensive hyper
linked document because more than sixty three thousand times you
have verses that refer to either a future or a
past verse from forty different authors. We had no idea
what the other guy was writing, and yet they carry
through this consistent message. God calls out a people for him. First,
God creates man, Man rebels God wipes out the earth
in a flood. There are more than two hundred and
thirty cultures across the globe, from South America to the
Middle East to China that speak about a global flood
blood great flood, and there's some interesting theories as to
what happened during that. There's one I could share with,
but right now let's focus where we are here. After
the flood, God says, I'm going to call out a
people unto myself, and I'm going to show how I
interact with people through how I'm going to interact with this.
So we called out the Hebrews today we called them
the Jews. And then out of their lineage comes a
man who says, now I'm going to show I've showed
you how God interacts with his people. I'm going to
give a gift for you, the individual, and that's the
individual gift of South. And so he becomes incarnate, offers
himself on a cross for the sacrifice of mankind, for
the sins of mankind, and then he says, in the future,
I'm going to come again, but there are two things
I really want you to do. Jesus said, all the
commandments of the Bible can be wrapped up into two things.
Love God. How do we love God? Bible tells us
by doing what he wants us to do, and love
your neighbor as yourself. It's not hard. So we do that.
And you were saying, Martin, what a wonderful planet we
would have if everybody just followed that, If everybody just
loved others as they love themselves and then acknowledged God's
gift to us. That's all he asks of us. The
Bible is his message to us. It says, in the
beginning was the word. The word was with God, the
word was God. That word became incarnate in Jesus Christ.
So he took the word of God into himself and
came here and then showed us how to live of
a perfect life. And we killed him for it. So,
I mean, you got to understand, we're kind of hostile
to this sort of message, and people just don't want
to follow that. But when they stop and think about
it and they realize all the good things that God
has done and all the things he wants to do
for us, it's something that can be embraced. I cannot
speak to the other texts, Martin, because I haven't read
I haven't read them. I can't read Hindu, I can't
you know, read Chinese. So I just have to go
with what Jesus said. He said, I am the Way,
the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the
Father but by me. And he was one of three things. Okay,
you can't say he was just a good moral teacher
because he called himself God. People said, now, Jesus never
said he was God. Sure he did many times now
and you can look at am. I and the Father
are one. It doesn't get much more straightforward than that.
Or you know, I adjure you in the day the
Living God. Are you the Messiah? He says, yes, I am.
And anyway, so here he is this perfect being who
came and showed us how to live, and then he
surrendered that perfect life for us. And all we have
to do is receive that gift. And his call goes
out to everybody, to everybody watching and listening. And I
would just say, concerning the Bible, don't knock it, don't
mock it, don't say bad things about Christians. Until you've
read it cover to cover, Go and get one. I
don't care what version you get. Read it. As to
the amendments over time, that comes from largely archaeological stuff.
It's interesting. In nineteen forty seven, a shepherd boy walking
through what is now Israel near the Dead Sea, through
a rock into a cave and he heard break dead
Sea scrolls, dead Sea scrolls exactly, and inside one of
the scrolls was an almost complete Book of Isaiah. So
they took that Book of Isaiah and they compared its
text to the text of the Bible. And the Book
of Isaiah we have today, and it was word for
word except for a couple of little punctuation things here
or there. And that tells you the diligence with which
the copyists did that down over the ages. That's a
miraculous thing. And as we discover more parchments, and I
love archaeology, we discover these things. You know, we're always
discovering things that seem to validate what the Bible says.
Whether it's a coin that says someone was an emperor
of a region at this point in time and that's
mentioned in Luke, or we find something in an Ethiopia
that testifies to a certain governor over a region and
that's mentioned in another book of the Bible. This all
just kind of points to that as something we probably
better read.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we thank you for going on that off topic.
So as far as as far as aliens go and
other planets says, there's planets in a trillion planets out
there and hundreds of billions of them have intelligent life.
Let's just go that.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's sit there.
Speaker 1: Is there one being that's overlooking all the creation and
all the souls.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe there is. And there was a song
back in the seventies by a folk rock artist named
Larry Norman, and he wrote this during a flap of
UFO sightings in the early seventies, I think, And he
said the song is called Ufo and it says, if
there's life on other planets that I'm sure that God
must know, and He's been there once already in his
to save their souls. What we have, what we have
knowledge of, is how he's interacted with us. I don't
know how he's interacted with the Nordics or the Grays
or the Reptilians or you know, whoever's coming here from wherever.
But I do know that He is fair and just
in whatever system that He has designed for them has
helped them get to where they are because they can
zip through space or not or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's see, here's another question here. I'm just
I'm just replying to my producer, Okay, So this question
is why do religious concepts and stories in ancient Egypt
predate similar idea ideas found in the Bible, and why
do they date back thousands of years before the emergence
of Christianity or even Judaism. So I don't know if
this is all factual. I'm just reading the question.
Speaker 2: That is a conversation in and of itself. There are
similarities in other beliefs, but there are severe distinctions when
you look in it. When you take these things like
the ancient Mesopotamian religions for example, that predate all of this,
they have a similar you know, virgin birth, death, resurrection thing.
But when you look at all of that's going on
around that and what happens too and involves the characters
that are doing that, it's a different story. But it
is interesting, isn't it that all around the world God
is speaking and he's telling people what he's going to do.
He's telling people what he's done, and he's inviting them
to come to him. So that would be my answer
to that.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, I don't know if there's anything else you said,
you were you probably out of questions.
Speaker 2: Well I had, is this something? Has anyone ever seen
one of these things eat or drink? And what do
they eat or drink?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a there's a lot of uh
talk about when people have seen let's say the Grays.
You know, people talk about the grays and they'll say
they have a little teeny slip for a mouth, or
maybe you know, not even anything existent as a mouth,
you know, maybe they eat some other way or they
they every everything that we know of haves to have
get energy somehow. Maybe they get their energy in another
fashion or something.
Speaker 2: But wasn't there a guy who said they made him
pancakes once?
Speaker 1: Oh? That guy, that's quite a story. Yeah, that's a story. Uh,
they made him pancakes and the pancake that he submitted
to get tested was actually a pancake, you know, was
a you know, with regular you know. So I don't
know about that particular story, but that was a Yeah,
that's an interesting one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I had this just another couple questions
here concerning their physiology. Do they appear to be right
or left handed? Or responsive to particular sounds or or lights?
Speaker 1: Wow, those are all great questions that I would love
to ask someone that says they experience these there they
you know, from what people have talked about, either they're
sort of like almost like a work or be like
a drone, you know, type of maybe there's some other
intelligence they're working with or something like that. You know,
that's kind of what people have commented, they're very there's
no like empathetic, h you know, notations or anything. It's
just very you know, job done type of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then finally, you know, I I do
not know anyone personally who's currently a move on an investigator,
but I'm wondering, and maybe you could answer to smart
and in their UAP reporting, how detailed do they get
in reporting the meteorological conditions at the time, such as
tamp wind due posts.
Speaker 1: They're very good at that. Yeah, they're very good at that.
Are the ones that I've talked to about that. They
want to know everything about when this whatever happened, what
was above and satellites and you know, you name it,
the ISS anything like that. They want to know all
that information. And weather conditions is always definitely part of that.
Speaker 2: Because you know, barometric pressure has a profound impact on
us physiologically. And I was wondering, you know, for example,
if we could learn that these appearances only to take
place within a certain parameter of meteorology. Has there ever
been an alien abduction or encounter in a blizzard or rain?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've asked that question about rain before
because there was some type of situation where it was
at least very cloudy, maybe rainy or something where someone
talked about one but a blizzard. That's a really good
you know, are they out shoveling too, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Or do all of these take place when the barometric
pressure is between this level and this level? Yeah, because
that might indicate a point of tolerance or intolerance for them.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a really good, a really good question.
And you know, I had a guest on I don't
know a couple of years ago and then he was
I think he was in Unsolved Mysteries or something like that,
and he was a weather He worked at a weather
station and saw these things on radar and was reporting them.
You know, he would be someone to get involved with
as far as that question goes, I think.
Speaker 2: Right, because if they are cellular beings like we are,
where they're composed of cells, and if those cells are
fluid filled, they're going to be sensitive to barometric pressure. See,
you and I have these little sacks of water that
we're made out of or fluid, and as the pressure falls,
they expand, as it rises, they contract. This is why
people who've had an injury or surgery tend to know
when a change in the weather is coming. Yeah, because
when a cell heals from surgery or an injury on
football knee injury or something, the membrane around the cell
is a little less elastic than the surrounding area. So
you get this differential pressure expansion and falling with weather changes.
And that's why people ache or hurt when there's a
sharp barometric pressure change. If we could learn, for instance,
that they're only appearing in this range of barometric pressure,
there might be a reason for that, something for us
to investigate.
Speaker 1: Wow. Fascinating. Well, you've certainly been a wonderful guest. Thank
you so much, and we have your books are linked
below in the text messages, and all also put a
couple of other things in the show notes for everybody
to see. But thank you so much. And I do
not know who my guest is next week, but there
will be a guest and there will be a show
next Tuesday, same time. And again, thank you so much.
It's been a real pleasure.
Speaker 2: And thank you everybody for your patience and listening to me.
I had somebody say he's proselytizing. That's my full time job.
But I want to thank you for letting me back
some other subjects as well.
Speaker 1: Good night, Yeah, and thank you all in the chat
and people watching live for all your great questions. All right,
you take care and everyone remember to keep your eyes
to the sky.