1
00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,399
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willa Shure, host.

2
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,440
I'm really excited about our guest tonight. His name is

3
00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,399
Dan Carlson. Then communicating with him, I think for somewhere

4
00:00:33,399 --> 00:00:37,399
about a year or so, someone that had an interest

5
00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:39,920
in UFOs and made a lot of sense when I

6
00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,039
talked to him when we had our exchanges. Just a

7
00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,399
couple of things. First of all, if you see this

8
00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,600
beautiful painting, you can't see the whole thing, but I'll

9
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,359
bring it up here. I just wanted I wanted to

10
00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:55,159
thank some people tonight. I just feel like I time

11
00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,719
I should thank some people. And this right here is

12
00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:02,520
Palmer Murphy. I told Palmer that my favorite painting in

13
00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:08,319
the MFA in Boston Museum of Fine Arts was called

14
00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,599
Colm Morning by Frank Benson, and so one thing led

15
00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,640
to another. He made me this beautiful copy. He is

16
00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,359
a very talented artist, and you will know him from

17
00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,280
many sculptures that he's done. He's very well known for

18
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,680
sports sculptures and things like that, and what an amazing artist.

19
00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,560
But Palmer has been helping out with this show forever.

20
00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:38,480
He's been sending me, you know, updated news constantly on

21
00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:41,120
all things that are going on. I mean, I owe

22
00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,680
so much of what I know in the UFO world

23
00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,159
because of what Palmer has done, and you know, it's

24
00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,280
I'm very grateful for all he has done. And there's

25
00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:54,200
some other people to thank too. First of all, Donna

26
00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:58,599
the producer, helps out so much the great support and

27
00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,079
helps me with guests and also travels with me when

28
00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:06,439
we go places like we just came back from Nova Scotia.

29
00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,039
That was a blast up there, Shag Harbor and and

30
00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,560
you know, driving around up there is such a beautiful

31
00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,520
area and wonderful people. I also want to thank Phil

32
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,840
who's been a longtime supporter of the show, helps me

33
00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:22,319
out quite a bit. Brock helps out with over at

34
00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:26,360
Facebook posts on there all the time. Peggy was doing that,

35
00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,960
did that for about seven years and she still helps

36
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,280
in a lot of ways. Thank you, Peggy. Moderators of

37
00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,159
the show, Jan Monica bo I believe there's one or

38
00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:43,759
two others. There's Joe and Jay Call and Juan who

39
00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,680
has helped out, you know, many times with this show.

40
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,120
So our blog this week by Charles Lear. I should

41
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,199
say Charles Lear too because he definitely helps out with

42
00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,360
all the blogs and audio blogs. The blog this week

43
00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:02,800
is called UFO Tray Trace Evidence in South Africa and

44
00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,080
it has to do with a tennis court. Very interesting

45
00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,240
back in nineteen seventy three, and so check out that

46
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,759
over at Podcastsufo dot com. I do want to give

47
00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,360
a warm shout out and we're you know, it's such

48
00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:20,159
a tragedy we're having with these you know, the high

49
00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:24,439
temperatures of the ocean will give a lot of power

50
00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:29,039
to these hurricanes. One's burreling right now towards Florida. I

51
00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,360
know a lot of people listen to the show in

52
00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,960
Florida and North Carolina, parts of South Carolina and Florida

53
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:43,840
as well as Virginia, especially North Carolina was hit so bad.

54
00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,719
You know, our heart goes out to all you people there,

55
00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,680
and I'm so sorry that you have to go through

56
00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,759
all that you're going through there, and hope you get

57
00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,159
through it well. And I hope but that you know,

58
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,400
help gets to you. And I know there's a lot

59
00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:05,000
of listeners, like I say, in that whole area, and uh,

60
00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,039
you know, we're really thinking of you and hope you

61
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,120
get through okay. So uh, I guess I also want

62
00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:16,439
to thank you the listener. Of course, those who listen

63
00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:18,439
to the show and those who help out just by

64
00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,199
supporting and by passing our you know, our shows along

65
00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,680
to other people. Thank you all, and we're ready to

66
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,240
bring earn our guests. Dan welcome, Well, do you good evening?

67
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,920
Speaker 2: Thank you Martin. It's nice to be here.

68
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know. I it's funny we've been communicating

69
00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680
the next thing. You know, you're on UAP Crossfire where

70
00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,920
I used to be on that, and uh, so I go, oh,

71
00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:48,480
I didn't know you would do a show. So and

72
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,759
I was pretty impressed with your stories and all that,

73
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,399
and so you are. I'm glad you glad you had

74
00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:55,040
the time to do.

75
00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:57,079
Speaker 2: This, love to thank you for having me.

76
00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,680
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I don't know. You probably told a

77
00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,120
lot of people, tell me a lot of things. I

78
00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,000
don't remember everything. Now. You'd wrote books, but I didn't

79
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,480
realize that you had written You have two books. I

80
00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:08,360
didn't even know that.

81
00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:12,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have two in the science fiction paranormal category,

82
00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:18,639
Species Unknown and Species Unleashed. Both are available on Amazon

83
00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,959
dot Com. I've written other books, but those are the

84
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,079
two I think of subject matter that would be most

85
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,399
interesting to the audience tonight.

86
00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have quite a background. If you would,

87
00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,199
why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?

88
00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,120
Speaker 2: Okay? We born in Minneapolis Saint Paul. Spent the first

89
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,319
thirty years of my life in Minneapolis Saint Paul. I

90
00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,879
was a TV weather presenter at WCCO, which is a

91
00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,439
fairly prominent CBS affiliate in that market. I went into

92
00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,160
Christian radio in the late nineteen eighties and that drew

93
00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:52,800
me out to the Black Hills of South Dakota. I

94
00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,759
just love it out here. It's the highest mountain range

95
00:05:55,759 --> 00:06:00,720
between the Rockies and Europe, and we enjoy fairly varied

96
00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,199
weather existence out here. It can go from from blizzard

97
00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,199
to heat wave and no time flat. And so I

98
00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,480
became a weather presenter and eventually a broadcast meteorologist out here.

99
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,519
And during my time here, I invested in my outdoor love.

100
00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,319
I am an angler, I'm a hunter, I'm a hiker.

101
00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,800
I take photography outdoors. Just a great place to do

102
00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,600
that in this part of the world. And then after

103
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,720
a while I started writing some newspaper columns. Got noticed

104
00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,720
by Cabela's, the outdoor retailer, and they brought me to

105
00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,800
their headquarters in Sydney, Nebraska in the southern Nebraska Panhandle.

106
00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,079
My wife and my kids and I moved down there

107
00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,199
and we spent fourteen years down there with Cabella's. And

108
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,759
then during that time I decided to branch off. I

109
00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,079
went into ministry. I pastored a couple of churches, one

110
00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:56,040
of them part time, three of them part time. And

111
00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,519
then the call came to minister full time back up

112
00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,240
in the Black Hills where we started out. So Karen

113
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,800
and I moved back here and here I am.

114
00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,839
Speaker 1: Wow, and how long have you been back? Are you

115
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,560
back exactly where you were before?

116
00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:14,480
Speaker 2: Same little community called Bellfouche. It's on the northern part

117
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,920
of the Black Hills, and we had lived here from

118
00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,199
nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety three, and then we came

119
00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:22,959
back two years ago. So here we are and we

120
00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,879
are loving it. In fact, you had a guest, a

121
00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,800
military man who had an experience by a missile silo

122
00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,120
where he was abducted. That missile silo, of course, it's deactivated.

123
00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,079
Now that's maybe a twenty five minute drive from here. Wow,

124
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,600
Mario Wood, I want to get the exact location from

125
00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:47,000
you so I can go out and take a look

126
00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,519
at it. I thought that would be kind of fun.

127
00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mario Woods and that was the site was called

128
00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,319
November five. November five, Yeah, that's the missile silo. But

129
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,040
I don't know exactly, but I'm making easily. I'm in

130
00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:02,399
touch with Mario the time we had lunch together, not

131
00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:06,199
that long ago. But you know, I can definitely ask him,

132
00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720
you know, exactly where that is. I'm sure he has that.

133
00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:10,560
Speaker 2: Fantastic I appreciate that.

134
00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you really want to go

135
00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,439
there though. Oh that, oh my god, that whole the

136
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,160
situation is so bizarre. But you yourself have had a

137
00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,360
couple of UFO sightings.

138
00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,480
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I want to preface this by

139
00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:30,600
saying that UFO or UYP the first word is unidentified,

140
00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,159
meaning I don't know what I saw. And it's funny

141
00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,799
how we have experiences in life, especially in childhood, that

142
00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,759
seemed to stick with us for some reason. And I

143
00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,240
have no idea why these two things have stuck in

144
00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,679
my head all these years. But the first one, I

145
00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,399
was only about five years old and my dad and

146
00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,000
a friend of his were taking me phishing. And you

147
00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:53,879
know how it is when you're a little kid and

148
00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,120
dad says, I want to take you fishing, you're so

149
00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,559
excited you can't wait. And so we hopped into a

150
00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,120
vehicle that some of you may be familiar with called

151
00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:05,039
a station wagon, and then we went all the way

152
00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,840
to this lake. But on the way and this is

153
00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:09,279
very early in the morning, sun hasn't been up very long,

154
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,519
I noticed in the sky something that looked like a

155
00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,080
crescent moon. It was kind of that half dome shape,

156
00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,919
and it was moving back and forth like a pendulum

157
00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:25,919
in the sky. And I said, Dad, why is the

158
00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,759
moon moving? And he didn't look. He says, on the

159
00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,360
moon doesn't move, It's just there in the sky. But

160
00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,320
Dad looking. Eventually, my pleadings led him to look, and

161
00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,559
he stared at this thing and he said to me,

162
00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,320
don't worry, Danny, it's it's just the moon. And then

163
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,960
I heard him conversing with his friend, what do you

164
00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,840
think that is? I got no IDEA moon doesn't move,

165
00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:50,960
and look at the way that thing's moving. And what

166
00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:53,200
they finally settled on. This would have been about nineteen

167
00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:56,360
sixty five or sixty six, and that was the height

168
00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,320
of the space program, and they decided between themselves it

169
00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:03,799
must be Na conducting some kind of an experimental test

170
00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:08,000
in a remote area because at that time in central Minnesota,

171
00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,559
not far from the community of Staples, there's a lot

172
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,279
of open area even to this day, just a lot

173
00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,399
of swampy area, and you can get turned around and

174
00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,480
they're pretty quick. Well, a few years later I was

175
00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,320
attending the Covenant Pines Bible Camp near McGregor, Minnesota. McGregor

176
00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:28,159
is the crow Flies, not very far away from Staples.

177
00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,440
But I remember lying on my bunk one night in

178
00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,960
the cabins and these were beautiful A frame cabins, and

179
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,919
you know how one end of an a framed cabin

180
00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,559
can be windows from Florida ceiling. And I was lying

181
00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,840
there and it was the middle of the night. I

182
00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,320
couldn't sleep. I was so excited about the activities going

183
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,440
on during the day. I would have been about nine

184
00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,440
or ten years old at this point. And I looked

185
00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,159
out over Davis Lake. We were on the cabins that

186
00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:57,279
are on Davis Lake. This area sits on a peninsula

187
00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,919
between Round Lake and Davis Lake. And a little after

188
00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,279
midnight I saw this round object and it was perfectly round,

189
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,559
but it had little little bumps around the edges. If

190
00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,720
you can imagine the old TV weather symbol of the

191
00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,159
sun that has the little little bumps around it. It

192
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,519
was like that, and it came in low over Davis Lake.

193
00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,639
My hobby has always been aviation and airplanes, and I

194
00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,360
was saying to myself, boy, that's coming in kind of low,

195
00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,519
but I don't hear anything. And it swooped over Davis

196
00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,759
Lake and over the cabin and I'm thinking to myself, Wow,

197
00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:38,720
what was that. And there was a bridge at the

198
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,039
far end of the lake that's over a channel to

199
00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,399
the next lake. And next thing I know, I saw

200
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,080
it swoop down and pass over at very low altitude

201
00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,799
that little bridge and then zip off into the night.

202
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,799
And to this day, I have no idea what that was. Now,

203
00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:59,279
there's an air force base not far from there. It's

204
00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,639
the Duluth Air Force Base. There's an Air National Guard

205
00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:06,639
unit there, but they fly the jets that are pretty noisy.

206
00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:10,559
They had like RF four C Phantom jets and they

207
00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:13,840
would fly missions over the Bible Camp. In fact, in

208
00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,159
the dining hall we had a picture that they sent

209
00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,159
us that they'd taken of our camp. And those make

210
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,480
a lot of noise. If you've ever been underneath a

211
00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:25,480
fighter jet, you know that, Wow, they're there. This was silent,

212
00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,120
so perfectly silent, and to this day I don't know

213
00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,440
what it was. But about that time on television in

214
00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,279
America came the show called UFO. I don't know if

215
00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,159
you remember that with Jerry Anderson, and they had a

216
00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,559
submarine with a fighter plane on it that would take

217
00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,879
off and they had a moon base. And me and

218
00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:48,679
my buddy, we were totally into that program and we

219
00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:51,519
watched it every chance we got, and we really got

220
00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,759
into UFOs. And this was the early seventies now, and

221
00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:57,679
then long about I think late seventy three or early

222
00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:03,440
seventy four, a book came out. Now, I've always, as

223
00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,279
a youth been a reader far above my grade level,

224
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,440
and I had read everything of interest to me in

225
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,519
the school library, so my parents would occasionally buy me

226
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,679
a book I really wanted, and this book came out,

227
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,879
called The UFO Experience by J. Allen Heineck, and I

228
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,879
started reading that. Boy. I was so fascinated by what

229
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,480
he had to say and how that was, how he

230
00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,440
had been a part of a government program to help

231
00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,080
investigate UFOs, and he kind of became a cult hero

232
00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:41,240
of mine. But after a while I got more and

233
00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:46,639
more into paranormal things that kind of branched off from

234
00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:53,879
the UFO, and I began to feel dark, kind of

235
00:13:53,879 --> 00:13:59,480
this oppressiveness come over me, and I had to walk

236
00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:03,039
away from h I was. I was a young Christian

237
00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,879
boy at the time, and I was in church twice

238
00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,200
on Sunday once on Wednesday every week, and I just

239
00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,120
there was something off there. So I did walk away

240
00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,279
from it. But then I started listening to podcasts about

241
00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:19,639
ten years ago, and it was maybe five or six

242
00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:25,399
years ago. I stumbled across your podcast, Martin, and it

243
00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:29,480
rekindled my interest, and so I began to listen to

244
00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:34,600
you a couple others, and you know, started reading things

245
00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:38,159
here and there, started following UAP News and some of

246
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720
the other guys that are well known was a Ross

247
00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:47,600
Coulthart and Bryce's Able Yeah I need to know, Yeah

248
00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:52,919
Corbel and George Knapp and through you, I started listening

249
00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:54,399
to Mac maloney for a while.

250
00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,480
Speaker 1: And that he's a character.

251
00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,399
Speaker 2: He has got me hooked up with. The guy on

252
00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,480
there was Commander Kobra, who was out Crossfire, and so

253
00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,000
that's I kind of fell fell into this this little

254
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,799
group and I'm very happy to be here and eager

255
00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,080
to share about the subject.

256
00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, someone just put up a very

257
00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,080
similar you know, just what you were talking about right here.

258
00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,519
Mary Grace Kirby asked this question, what are some of

259
00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,840
the dance own paranormal experiences and did any of them

260
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,320
can conflict with your ministry Christian worldview?

261
00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,039
Speaker 2: Really, my ministry has been as an adult. It was

262
00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,159
as in a child that I had these paranormal experiences.

263
00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:46,240
My buddy and I began to explore remote viewing and

264
00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,480
we would try to describe the surroundings in one another's home.

265
00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:55,399
He lived across town, so we would talk on the

266
00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:57,720
phone every day, and we kind of messed with that

267
00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,120
a little bit, and then I had something occur one

268
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,559
night that absolutely scared me so badly. I was lying

269
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,279
in my bed in my room in my home, and

270
00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,000
I began to have this feeling of you know how

271
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,200
when you sense danger, your body kind of your metabolism

272
00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:20,159
increases and you start to sweat. And I couldn't figure

273
00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,200
out why. I mean, I was safe in my own home,

274
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,480
and I happened to look down. And in those days,

275
00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:27,799
we had something called shag carpeting. I don't know if

276
00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:31,279
you remember that, but it's carpet that's really thick. Oh yeah,

277
00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:35,320
that in my bedroom, and I saw footfalls in the

278
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,399
carpeting walking away from my bed. There was nobody there,

279
00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:43,799
but it was leaving footprints in the carpeting. And that's

280
00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,120
when I said, no, no, no, no no, I can't

281
00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,919
do this anymore. And I kind of prayed my way

282
00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:53,159
out of that as a youth, and now I've come

283
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,279
back into it a little bit more well armed from

284
00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,279
the spiritual perspective to deal with things that might be

285
00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,200
of a demonic nature. And I want to clarify here,

286
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,400
I'm not saying all uap UFO things are demonic or

287
00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,319
spiritual in nature. But one of the things I just

288
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,680
really loved about something you say all the time, Martin,

289
00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,000
is that more than one thing can be true at once,

290
00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,440
and I try sometimes. I know that the UFO community

291
00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:28,119
sometimes attacks each other and they get pretty pretty serious

292
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,240
in their in their conflict, but I've always been kind

293
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,279
of a mediator, kind of guy, a bridgemaker to bridge peace,

294
00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,720
and it was the reason I contacted you first. I

295
00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:40,519
don't know if you remember, was several months ago. Was

296
00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:44,240
earlier this year, you'd had a guest on your podcast

297
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,440
who said something very cruel about Christians. He said that

298
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,680
basically we didn't have something along the lines that we

299
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,039
didn't have the intelligence or believed in those silly myths

300
00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,880
to be a part of this discussion. He was dismissing

301
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,519
what some of them had had said to him. Well,

302
00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:07,359
you know, having been a meteorologist for many decades and

303
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,000
know a thing or two about earth science and still

304
00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:13,599
like to be part of this conversation, I objected to that,

305
00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,359
and you acknowledged I had a valid point, and then

306
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,640
we got to talking with one another. And I think

307
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,240
that it's important to do that, that we recognize that

308
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,839
the only way we're going to survive as a country

309
00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:30,039
is if we recognize people for who they are and

310
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,319
allow them to be that way. You know, there are

311
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,359
names I could throw up here that immediately I expect

312
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,680
blood blood pressure would go like this if I said,

313
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,000
say Mickuest. Oh, no, all of a sudden, pulses have

314
00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,319
gone up. People are beginning to turn the red, their

315
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,880
veins are popping up. But look, you have an option

316
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,200
when you listen to somebody of being let's call it

317
00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,880
triggered or not. And what I tell my congregation, I'm

318
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,640
a full time pastor now is They say, why do

319
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,759
you give someone else the power over your emotions? Because

320
00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:09,960
that's what you're doing. If somebody says something, all they've

321
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,519
done is spewed some words into the atmosphere. But if

322
00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:16,079
you allow yourself to get worked up over what they've said,

323
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,640
that's on you. So just chill and relax, eat the meat,

324
00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:23,839
spit out the bones. And if we never had any

325
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,279
contrary opinion spoken, how would we grow as individuals? Would

326
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,720
just be stuck in this echo chamber, always hearing what

327
00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:33,839
we want to hear, And that's not a way to

328
00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,279
live life. That's not a way to grow.

329
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be nice if if we

330
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,519
could be that way in so many different ways. Of course,

331
00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:44,400
you know, I'm not going to go into it, but

332
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,279
you know, there's a lot of divisiveness, and I really

333
00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,960
you know, not to get way off topic, but I

334
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:56,200
do believe you know that social media does social media

335
00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:02,240
really is the gus lean on the fire. It seems,

336
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,000
you know, where these conspiracies spread and you know, I

337
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,079
mean the mistruths and you know, no one knows what

338
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,640
to believe anymore, and that goes for UFOs and almost

339
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,319
anything else.

340
00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:16,519
Speaker 2: You know. So on the UFO topic, let me just

341
00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:19,559
point out I know that there are some things everyone

342
00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:22,079
who's interested in this subject can agree on. Let me

343
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,119
just say one, some things that are reported as UAPs

344
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,559
are man made. I think everyone would acknowledge that a fraction,

345
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,119
whatever it may be, of these things are built by humans.

346
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,359
They're experimental aircraft something like that. Yeah, some are misidentified.

347
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,720
They could easily be identified if we saw it from

348
00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:47,240
another perspective. You know, the light is shining a unique

349
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,160
way off a bird or an airplane that takes on

350
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,440
a different form because of the way the light shines

351
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,359
on it. So when you look at all of the

352
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,920
different things people say that these could be, you've got

353
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,720
man made, you've got misidentified, you've got inter dimensional, you've

354
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,359
got time travelers, you've got inter planetary. Did I miss anything? Martin? Oh,

355
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,720
here all the time? The astronaut one.

356
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,519
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, that one is. You know, that one's

357
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,519
kind of scary to me. Then when the possibility of

358
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,400
something that has been here all along, you know that,

359
00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,359
you know, that whole type of thing kind of freaks

360
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,400
me out a little bit for some reason. I don't

361
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,559
really know why. You know, you know, when they talk

362
00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:31,440
about the possibilities of being under the ocean and you know,

363
00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:35,519
something that's been here forever and and maybe perhaps a

364
00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,519
higher intelligence than us, you know, like we're not the

365
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,720
top of the food chain. Is That's what Louel Zondo said,

366
00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:44,720
there's something that what if? What did you say? And

367
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:46,440
I asked him about this last time. He was on

368
00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:49,359
you know, what if something has been here all along

369
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,680
and we find out that we're not the top of

370
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,200
the the food chain so to speak, you know, mentally,

371
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,920
you know, when our capabilities Yeah, and so yeah, I

372
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,720
mean it's it's enough to certainly fascinate anyone that wants

373
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,599
to take a look at it.

374
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,039
Speaker 2: In all these years that you've been doing this podcast,

375
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,440
which of those six things do you lean toward?

376
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: Can you say that one more time? I have the

377
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,559
volume down.

378
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 2: A little bit, sure of all all these years that

379
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,480
you've been doing podcast, uf all, Yeah, which of those

380
00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:21,559
six things do you lean toward as being the most

381
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,680
likely in your own mind?

382
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: M It kind of varies because for a while I'll think, well,

383
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,039
you know, it's it's just possible that it's exert interrestural,

384
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,480
that we're being visited by somehow they figured out, you know,

385
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,440
the physics that you know we haven't discovered yet, or

386
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,279
you know that that type of thing, and then you know,

387
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,319
I think, well, maybe there are ways to travel between dimensions,

388
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,400
and you know, so I kind of go back and

389
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,640
forth in my thoughts, but I don't really you know,

390
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,960
I'm the first one to say that I really don't know.

391
00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:02,559
I really don't know.

392
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,599
Speaker 2: That honesty of your approach is so refreshing. Right now,

393
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:11,480
I lean toward the interdimensional, and by interdimensional, I include

394
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:17,119
in that spiritual because throughout human history you may not agree,

395
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:25,359
but humankind has known about beings that seem to appear

396
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,559
out of nowhere and then disappear, and they interact with

397
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,640
humans in various ways. In the Bible, we encounter the

398
00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:40,920
term angel. Well, that word that we translate as angel

399
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,799
into English in both Hebrew and in the Greek, which

400
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,519
a good portion of our ancient texts come from, means messenger.

401
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:58,119
So these are messengers from another dimension. As a Christian,

402
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,359
I believe that there is a dimension in which there

403
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,480
is Heaven. There's a dimension in which there is Hell.

404
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,400
There's a dimension from whence beings come to us and

405
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:12,039
interact with us according to whatever spiritual assignment they have.

406
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,640
And as we investigate the UFO phenomenon, I think that

407
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,480
we should be able to accept in our mind that

408
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,279
at least some of these could be interdimensional slash spiritual

409
00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:33,640
beings in the terms of angelic or demonic. Clearly not

410
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:38,319
all are, and I'll openly admit that. But you've heard

411
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,119
people say that if the truth were to come out,

412
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,039
it would destroy religion, to which I say, how the

413
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:53,440
knowledge that people from another dimension are coming into our dimension?

414
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,000
I mean, read the Bible, that's pretty much the whole

415
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,519
book and interacting with humanity and doing very is things

416
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,400
to or with or for humanity. Yeah, kind of been there,

417
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,319
done that. And you even have some people in the

418
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,599
UFO field who are looking forward to a day that

419
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:21,440
a superior intellect, extraterrestrial intelligence comes to humanity at our

420
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:26,759
time of need and dispenses with evil and ushers in

421
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,000
a new age of peace and prosperity for all. And

422
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,480
I say, yeah, we call him Jesus, and you might

423
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,160
call him something else, you know, in what you're looking for.

424
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,000
So before you mock me for my belief that Jesus

425
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,920
came and left and is going to come again, kind

426
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,519
of run it through your own mind as to what

427
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,079
you believe, because we all have faith in something. The

428
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,119
human is meant to worship something, to look for something

429
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,920
higher or better than ourselves. And if you don't fill

430
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,599
the God shaped void with God, something else is going

431
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400
to come in there. Because the enemy of our souls, Satan,

432
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000
he has one job, and that job is to take

433
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,960
as many people to hell with him as he can.

434
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,000
He's read the end of the book. He knows the

435
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200
Bible better than I do, and all he wants to

436
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
do is mess things up in people's lives. And so

437
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,519
one of the reasons I'm involved in this now is

438
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,039
to try to dispel deception, because the Bible does say

439
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,880
that as we approach the fourth quarter and through the

440
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,680
fourth quarter, if you will, of humanity's existence, deception is

441
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,000
going to increase. And as deceptions increase, people aren't going

442
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,720
to know where to turn for truth. And I ask it, Martin,

443
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,039
you'll look at the world today, even when you look

444
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,880
at whatever news you watch, how can we know what's

445
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,079
true anymore? People need something to be able to hang

446
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,079
their hat on and count on. And as a pastor

447
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,640
and a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I

448
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,680
have a solution if people are will need to listen.

449
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast today and it was

450
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,079
a philosopher that was on there and he was talking about,

451
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,880
you know, the truths and lack of truth and he

452
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,319
said the funniest thing. He said, if it was one truth,

453
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,480
then nobody would want to pay attention to it. He said,

454
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,519
there has to be like a little has to be

455
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,960
some type of manipulation in order for the human to

456
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,599
pay attention. And you know, there has to be some

457
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,519
type of you know, like they people are not interested

458
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,279
in just the plain truth. I feel like I am,

459
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:41,880
you know, I would love to you know, know, what

460
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,960
is actually factual and truth instead of all these things

461
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,920
being spun one way or another. And you know, there

462
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,960
was some report I heard of like fifty four percent

463
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,720
of Americans do not want to follow politics because they

464
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,599
don't know what's true.

465
00:27:57,279 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sad in a country where we're supposed

466
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,880
do we elect our leaders if we don't know what's true.

467
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,240
Yesterday I was listening to a podcast as well. It

468
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,960
was Avi Lobe. I know he's been on your show

469
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,680
and he was on for I think almost three hours

470
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,119
with Sean Ryan. Very interesting discussion, and what AVI brought

471
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,720
up at one point is the moon of Jupiter called Titan.

472
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,079
I think it is that has a liquid ocean a

473
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,920
different composition than ours, and how badly he wanted to

474
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,799
go fishing there just to see what was there. But

475
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,000
also that how he wants this artificial intelligence that we're

476
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,519
now in the process of creating to be put into

477
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,119
a research drone that we can set out to these

478
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,440
various planets. And I immediately had a red flag go

479
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,759
up in that, because if we're going to program an

480
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,400
artificial intelligence and send it to a possible interaction with

481
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:04,680
an ex terrestrial race, we have to program a sense

482
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,799
of morality into it or we could be in trouble. Now,

483
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,640
what do I mean by morality. Morality is simply determining

484
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,279
what is right action and what is wrong action, and

485
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,519
choosing what is right is the moral course. So let's

486
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:25,480
say we send this robot to a distant planet or

487
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,559
even Titan, and let's say that a tight knees person

488
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:34,759
comes up to it and comes up and starts slapping

489
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:42,720
this thing. What have we programmed into that robot with

490
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:50,119
artificial intelligence concerning response to perceived aggressive behavior which is

491
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,359
more important in its programming, self preservation or no conflict

492
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,640
with an encountered species. We need to have it know

493
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
what to do. It may be that on Titan, the

494
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,680
appropriate greeting is it a handshake or a smile, it's

495
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,759
a pat on the pad on the chest, and maybe

496
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,920
it's just saying hello. If we're going to be sending

497
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,599
artificial intelligence into other worlds, boy, we have to be

498
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
careful that we get that programming right. And then how

499
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
do we decide whose morality to put into it.

500
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: That's that's all good points, all good points. I was

501
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,119
went out to lunch with some high school friends yesterday.

502
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Three other friends. I hadn't seen two of them in many,

503
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,079
many years, and I brought up the fact that, you know,

504
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:42,000
I was ready for the eye rolling. You know, they

505
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,000
know I did you know auctions and antiques, and I said, well, yeah,

506
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,039
I also I do a show on UFOs. And there

507
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:50,359
was you know, a little bit of silence, and you know,

508
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
they're all kind of contemplating the whole thing. And then

509
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,119
one of them said, well, you know, if if they

510
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:02,680
are aliens, and why would they come here, We're just

511
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,839
we're just going to shoot them out of the sky,

512
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,119
you know, and that's kind of like you know, unfortunately,

513
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,799
you know, I don't know how we'd really react to,

514
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,680
like say, a presence this country, for instance. I'm not sure,

515
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,680
you know, if if something landed, would it be more

516
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,119
like War of the World's where you know, all the

517
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440
tanks came up and ready to fire, and you know,

518
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:30,599
and or that's been in a lot of different movies.

519
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,680
You know, we probably you know, and I would have

520
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,079
to say, yeah, I could understand we should be ready

521
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960
to protect ourselves, but you know, I mean to the

522
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:43,960
first thing you do is want to shoot at it

523
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,839
or something. That would be a big mistake. I think.

524
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: I think if if they're hostile, and this is something

525
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:58,079
that goes through my mind, they're probably very smart strategists

526
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:02,079
and they're going to do things in a more subtle

527
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:08,519
way than direct confrontation. There's a hypothetical that I brought

528
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,839
up on Ui Pai Crossfire. I'd like to pose it

529
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,000
to you as well, Martin, And this is a scenario

530
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:19,720
of a first contact situation. Let us say that a

531
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,079
group of beings from an outer planet finally decides they're

532
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,720
going to make themselves known, and they come and you

533
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,119
want a saucer each lands and all the major capitals

534
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,720
of the world, and they present themselves as friendly and

535
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:38,279
they're meeting with world leaders and they say things on

536
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,240
Earth weren't going so well. So we're here to bring

537
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:47,000
you a new age of participation in an alliance or

538
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:52,559
association of planets of intelligent beings where we have here.

539
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,920
We're giving them to you now no charge cures to cancer, diabetes,

540
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,960
the five of top killers of humanity, and you know,

541
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,279
just as as as an opening gift to you, and

542
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,279
we are going to allow you to participate. But there's

543
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,920
just one thing, just one little thing we need you

544
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,440
to do. There's this group of people over here. They're

545
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,000
not a majority, so you won't miss them, but they

546
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,319
have to go. You have to get rid of them.

547
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,480
How do you think whoa most of humanity would respond

548
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:26,839
to that?

549
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:33,359
Speaker 1: I would, I would I yeah, I don't think they

550
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:34,720
would do it. I don't know.

551
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say that that group is evangelical Christians.

552
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,160
We're not very popular in some circles.

553
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: This one.

554
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or what if it's homosexuals, what if it's people

555
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,319
with red hair, what if it's you know, pick any group.

556
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't pick any group or any single anyone

557
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,720
out because you know, we're all just as important in

558
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,440
my opinion. So how would you determine I know, you know,

559
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,319
maybe save a bunch of lives, But how would you determine?

560
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,639
I mean, who would want to determine who would have

561
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,039
to go?

562
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: You know, I really admire your optimism, Martin. You know,

563
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,760
last year there was a study done and I think

564
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,320
it was somewhere between fifteen and seventeen percent of both

565
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,320
Democrats and Republicans thought that the world would be a

566
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,679
better place without the others. So right there, you got

567
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,239
more than ten percent of people want to say goodbye

568
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,159
to a large group. And I'm not all that confident that.

569
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,280
I mean, throughout history sad to say, you look at

570
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400
it's been this group against that group. And heck, if

571
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,519
it's only going to cost us, you know, five hundred

572
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,960
million out of eight billion, small price to pay for.

573
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but who decides, you know, to make that decision?

574
00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: Exactly? Who does make that decision? That's I have other

575
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,199
interesting questions I want to bounce off you here.

576
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,159
Speaker 1: If you don't, wow, I feel like this is a

577
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:10,320
really good interview that I'm being interviewed by. Oh, thank you. Okay, yeah, okay,

578
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,679
I think I'm ready. I was at fortally Yeah, but

579
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,039
I'll do it. Yeah.

580
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 2: Every civilization, for it to function, has to have a

581
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,199
moral code that guides them. They have to have their

582
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,280
own rules of right or wrong. What do we know

583
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:32,880
about these visitations from aliens? And you've interviewed so many

584
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,320
people who've had encounters or abductions? Is there any indication

585
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,960
in a message as to the moral code that guides

586
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,880
them their does and don'ts? Any idea?

587
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,519
Speaker 1: No, you know, I mean, you know, the different accounts

588
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:57,199
that I've heard. You know, I haven't spoken to anyone

589
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:03,239
directly that had a horrible situation, you know, but I

590
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,920
have heard the stories, so so I really, you know,

591
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,199
I really don't know how to answer that. I mean,

592
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,599
it seems to me that if whatever it is can

593
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,800
do whatever it wants, then for the most part, as

594
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,800
far as we know, you know, nothing tragic has happened.

595
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,079
So it seems like there's some type of code that

596
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:28,519
they have.

597
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: You know, this this might even go by species, if

598
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,840
you will, And keep in mind, I'm fairly new into this.

599
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,719
I've not immersed myself as much as as you or

600
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,599
perhaps many of our listeners have. But the Nordics seem nice.

601
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
I think they just kind of blend in and seem

602
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:52,239
to be helpful. The Reptilians, I guess, are nasty. Yeah,

603
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,480
you know.

604
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if I I hear

605
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,079
these things, and I don't even know if I have

606
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,960
an opinion whether these are you know, I've heard the

607
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,320
Reptilians and the tall the tall uh what is it

608
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,679
the tall Whites and the or they the Nordics. I

609
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,159
don't know if they're two and the same, but uh,

610
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,280
you know, the rebellions or the mantis. I had someone

611
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,400
try to tell me that they they were a mantis

612
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:24,280
and turned into a mantis on occasion, so uh, and

613
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,920
that person may be listening right now, I'm not sure.

614
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 2: Well, you had a guest on three four years ago.

615
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,960
It was talking about visits that she had her at

616
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,079
her uh at her cabin if it was in the Northwest,

617
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,480
from regular visits from bigfoot creatures and these little things

618
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:48,239
called elementals that she called elemental spirits. Well, the Bible

619
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,000
specifically says don't mess with the elemental spirits. I mean

620
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:57,039
it's right there in all the versions. They're bad news,

621
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,519
stay away from those, and it also has room for

622
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:07,039
the existence of creatures that we may not yet have studied.

623
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480
How many new species do you think we're discovered last year, Martin?

624
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,519
Speaker 1: I know there's quite a few new species discovered. There's

625
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:18,320
also a lot of species that are getting extinct every

626
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,519
year too, But I wouldn't have I wouldn't be able

627
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:23,639
to tell you a number.

628
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,079
Speaker 2: More than twenty thousand. Now. A lot of these, a

629
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,000
lot of these are smaller, but there are also I mean,

630
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,639
I've been I think there's been two new species of

631
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,679
whale discovered in the last year, and so there's a

632
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,800
lot of big stuff out there that can hide. I'm

633
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,239
kind of transitioning here into cryptid. I hope you don't

634
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,519
mind for a moment, but the I was part of

635
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,480
a TV crew that went and filmed a series for

636
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:57,639
the Rapid CITTV station in Alaska, and being an outdoorsman,

637
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,880
the idea of cryptids is always fatd me. You know,

638
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
there many times I've been alone in the deep dark

639
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,400
woods and you get that feeling that you're being watched

640
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,599
by something and you turn around and you don't know

641
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,880
what you're going to see. But I put myself five

642
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,920
feet from the cameraman and microphone and did a stand up,

643
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,760
but they call a stand up in the news business.

644
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,280
And you could not tell I was there, that's how

645
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,039
thick the brush was. Wow. You know, I'm a pretty

646
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,679
decent sized guy, but you couldn't see me. So if

647
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:34,239
something has survived by being shy, sure, wide open to that.

648
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,880
And what if we only explored fifteen percent of the ocean.

649
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,079
We've got a lot of exploring on Earth to do.

650
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, getting back, So let me just ask you

651
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,519
before we move way away from this topic. Yeah, how

652
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:56,280
are these twenty thousand? And is this kind of like

653
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,239
an average per year also? Or this was this last

654
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,679
year just exceptional?

655
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:07,559
Speaker 2: No, it's routinely in the in the you know, more

656
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,039
than ten thousand. Now, a lot of this is insect. Yes,

657
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,760
a lot of it is tiny, you know, shrews and

658
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360
new kind of mouse and and you know, small reptiles

659
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,480
or lizards and things like that. But every once in

660
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,599
a while it's it's something you know, very large, and

661
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,719
you know, something that has been there all along, we

662
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,920
just didn't know. And if that's the case with animals, now,

663
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,239
how do we know that something's not living deep down

664
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,599
in our caves? Or way beneath the ocean that we

665
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,679
just haven't found yet.

666
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,519
Speaker 1: Well, why don't we take a little skip into the

667
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,280
Bigfoot thing? Because that to me, you know, I mean,

668
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,239
anytime I get into conversation with someone about Bigfoot, you know,

669
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
it comes up. Well, how come no one's ever found

670
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,480
a skeleton or you know, any type of remains at all,

671
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,760
or den or you know this or that, and so

672
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,360
just want to hear your opinion of that.

673
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: I have spent countless hours in the woods across this country.

674
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,840
I've been on outdoor expeditions from the Rio Grande Valley

675
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:18,280
to Alaska, from the Pacific Northwest to the East Coast,

676
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:22,960
and in all those hours, I have never come across

677
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,280
the carcass of a dead bear. Now should I conclude

678
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,320
that bears don't exist as a result of me not

679
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:36,960
finding any physical evidence of them. I saw a television

680
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,159
program a number of years ago where they wanted to

681
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:44,639
see how fast things disappear that are dead in the wilderness.

682
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,400
And they took the carcass of a deer that had

683
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,360
been road killed, and they set it out and they

684
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,280
did a time lapse of it for as long as

685
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,800
it was there to see how long it took to

686
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,760
break down to nothing, and I think it was five days.

687
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,599
This was in Alabama, so it's a little more hot, hot, humid.

688
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,480
It was Alabama, Mississippi, somewhere down south, but that was

689
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:09,000
down to nothing. Started with the larger predators. You know,

690
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:10,840
you got your foxes and your coyods to come and

691
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,199
eat the meat, and in a process they dragged skins

692
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,119
and bones away. Then of course the bugs were there

693
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,960
the whole time, and they're planting eggs and they're eating

694
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,599
and so for But it was gone in less than

695
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,599
a week. And so if there's a large animal living

696
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:34,079
in the most rugged terrain around us, we may not

697
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,199
find it if it doesn't want to be found.

698
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: Well, I understand what you're saying about the bear, but

699
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,920
I don't know it. Just what if you were looking

700
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,760
for bear remains that was your goal, you know, I mean,

701
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,440
would that be different? But also doesn't a skeleton unless

702
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,880
you said sometimes the bones are dragged around. But I've

703
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,840
come across like a skeleton of I think it was

704
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,320
the sheep one time, and on the edge of a

705
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,079
field scared the heckotomy. But you know, but I mean

706
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,519
there it was, so I would think the skeleton remains

707
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,199
would be around that we don't have to argue forever

708
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,280
about Bigfoot, and I don't know if it exists or not.

709
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Just a closing remark on that to tie into what

710
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,679
you said, if you see the way that the scavenger

711
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,360
animals behave, they'll usually take a piece and drag it away.

712
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,119
They want to eat a loan. They don't want to

713
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,079
eat it in the company of their competition. So you

714
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,519
may find a bone in the woods and you'll look

715
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,199
at and say, well, there's a bone in the woods.

716
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,400
You got no idea what it comes from. It really

717
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,559
isn't until you find, like a skull that you can

718
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,039
ascertain the difference between say a certain species of deer

719
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,880
or antelope, that you can put it into that category.

720
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
But if I just found a femur, you know, I'd

721
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,760
have to take it home and do some online research

722
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,519
to figure out, Okay, is this from a young elk

723
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,639
or a white tailed deer or is it something else?

724
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would like to get also into,

725
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,559
you know, somewhere in this conversation as it's moving right along,

726
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:27,079
how the Christianity and all of that place into you know,

727
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,039
I mean, one of the things I've heard people say

728
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,719
to me a million times, not quite a million, maybe

729
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,320
half a million.

730
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

731
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:38,079
Speaker 1: That what if we discovered that, you know, we are

732
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,400
being visited, these are beings from another planet, then all

733
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,800
of you know, the faiths and religions would crumble, which

734
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,519
I don't believe. And I just wondered what you're what

735
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,199
do you think? Just think in your mind through all

736
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,360
the different types of religions that we have here in

737
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,119
this country, how do you think that they would be handled?

738
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,079
If it would be handled, if we've found out, hey,

739
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,440
we're being visited by you know, these beings, these beings

740
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,480
are from another planet, and they arrived here and we

741
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,039
know they're here, how do you think that would be handled?

742
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: You know, I can only speak to my limited knowledge

743
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,000
of other religions. I certainly don't think it would affect

744
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:27,239
Buddhism or Hinduism much because they have a more cosmically

745
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,920
oriented faith. I think that the scientologists would be delighted.

746
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,920
As far as Catholics, I think that the Pope has

747
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,480
said that if the aliens come and want to be baptized,

748
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,679
they'll be happy to do it. Yeah, and you know,

749
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,920
from my perspective, it's not really a big deal as

750
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,519
far as the faith issue. But now if they come

751
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,840
and they start behaving in a way that is harmful

752
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,199
to the faith by promoting things that the Bible prohibits

753
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,079
as normal behavior, then I'm really going to start to

754
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,800
look at their origin story. Now, are they really who

755
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,920
they say they are? You know this this supposedly benevolent

756
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:25,559
minute visitor. We all remember the the It was a

757
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:30,280
Twilight Zone with the cookbook episode of everything's going swimmly,

758
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,559
swimmingly until we wind up in the soup and the Bible.

759
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: That's a cookbook.

760
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: Yes, how to certain how to thir Man is a cookbook.

761
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,119
There are repeated warnings throughout the New Testament, do not

762
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,639
be deceived, do not be deceived, do not let anybody

763
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,800
deceive you. And it says that there is coming, in

764
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,199
the time of the End, when the forces of Antichrist

765
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,880
begin to rise, a deception that will be so convincing

766
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,840
and so good that it would even lead the faithfull

767
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,159
astray if it was possible to do so. But God

768
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,079
has said that nothing can snatch us out of his

769
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,199
hand if we're following him and believe in him. So

770
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,599
this is going to be a very convincing act. And

771
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:17,159
it's just you know, in the last year or so,

772
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,039
i'd be in a wonder might UAP play a part

773
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,159
in this? Now correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard

774
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,800
rumblings from some people talking about UAP of government officials

775
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,480
that will create a fake alien invasion or something like

776
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,880
that to try to get people to, you know, fall

777
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,719
in line or say have you heard anything like that?

778
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: No, okay, No, I haven't heard anything that sounded incredible

779
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:43,960
like that. No.

780
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: I thought a guy named Stephen Greer was saying something

781
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:50,320
like that. Oh yeah, I may be wrong, I may

782
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,239
be grand, but no, that.

783
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,599
Speaker 1: Would be that would be possible that he would say

784
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,440
something like that. Okay, And no, common is all I

785
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,000
got to say.

786
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,159
Speaker 2: Okay, if they're if they are, if anyone in the

787
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:06,800
comments knows you know, something about a supposed alien invasion

788
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,199
or oh.

789
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,199
Speaker 1: You mean in twenty twenty seven.

790
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, something something that's going to it's just around the

791
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,000
corner that is going to bring the whole world together

792
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:16,880
because it has to.

793
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, so well that's optimistic, I think. But yeah,

794
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,079
there was there was there was this do I want

795
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,400
to call a rumor? I'm not really sure. It was.

796
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,199
It was like the game of telephone. This was getting

797
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,559
passed around that in twenty twenty seven, something is coming

798
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,000
for sure, you know, and all this, and so I

799
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:44,559
try to chase that down and where I got when

800
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,679
I got to the source of it, and it has

801
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,039
to do with a former CIA and all this, you know.

802
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,840
So when I got right down to the bottom of it,

803
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,760
then it it had no legs at all. It was

804
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,639
nothing too even. You know, it started in a place

805
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,440
that was not a It started by someone that had

806
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:07,719
no idea what they were talking about. Okay, that's how

807
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,400
it all started.

808
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,559
Speaker 2: Well, it's like we were saying, how do we know

809
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,639
what's true? How do we know what isn't? You know?

810
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,920
We've got people out there making extraordinary claims about recovered

811
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,000
craft and bodies hidden somewhere, And you know, I always

812
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,760
try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until

813
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,559
I have reason not to. And then, of course, once

814
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:27,480
you've lied to somebody, then it's kind of hard to

815
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,800
get your credibility back.

816
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: And I have no doubt that there.

817
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: Are people being manipulated and used who think that they're

818
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,239
telling the truth, but they've been manipulated into that category.

819
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,079
I just don't know. All I know is I know

820
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,320
who I've believed in, and I'm persuaded that he's able

821
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,480
to keep everything out committed to him against that day

822
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,960
of judgment. So I stick to that.

823
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I understand what you're saying. And there's you know,

824
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,280
I have thought this too. What if you know, let's

825
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,280
just go with David Grush. You know, he seems very authentic.

826
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,840
He's a very intelligent person, very very much a patriot, uh,

827
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,719
you know, and I he went through the whistle blowing

828
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,480
all the formalities of doing that exactly the right way,

829
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,760
you know, and he came out with these extraordinary claims

830
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:22,840
as you mentioned, and you know, one in one of

831
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,800
the things that he has he had claimed and mentioned

832
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,840
and a few other people have also, I do believe

833
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,000
was not a real situation, which made me think it's

834
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:38,400
possible that he has been fed you know, misinformation to

835
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,519
what end. I have no idea why they would even

836
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,480
anyone would even do that doesn't even make any sense.

837
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,679
But you know it's uh, he could have been used

838
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,559
in a way for at least part of that.

839
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,679
Speaker 2: Yep, it could have been he could have been you know,

840
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,440
the Bible to speak that as the time clock winds

841
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,119
down for humanity, we're going to see more UAPs. It

842
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,719
doesn't say U A p is is signs and wonders

843
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,880
in the heavens. So we're going to see some amazing

844
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,639
things happen in our skies just as time rolls along.

845
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,320
So it's really no surprise to me that, you know,

846
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,079
as we've become more adept in our sensor equipment and

847
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:20,119
with our telescopic year and with the lenses that we have,

848
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,000
that we're seeing more things because we were told a

849
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,840
couple thousand years ago that we would see more things.

850
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,960
As to what they are, that's the big question, And

851
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,480
you know it's something that you and I have tossed

852
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,159
around here a couple of times back and forth in

853
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:36,920
our conversation tonight about there being one thing or more

854
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,960
than one thing. But I do think that there's something

855
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:43,159
I would just want everybody to consider for a moment.

856
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,320
One thing that I keep hearing is if we're not alone,

857
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:53,360
then why you know that surely the universe must contain

858
00:51:54,119 --> 00:52:00,440
tens of thousands or billions of other beings, and that

859
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,360
you know the universe is full of life. So let

860
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,920
me just ask you kind of a dour philosophical question.

861
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,519
What if it isn't I mean, really, what if we

862
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,440
are all that is, as far as flesh and bone life. Now,

863
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,360
some people might be frightened but that idea.

864
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but think of.

865
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,599
Speaker 2: How wonderful it could be if just for a moment

866
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,440
or a few minutes we thought about that. If this

867
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,679
is all we have, why should we be at war

868
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,119
with each other? Why should we be at polluting this

869
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,000
planet and destroying it? Shouldn't we all because we would

870
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:40,119
be so unique and so special. Shouldn't that be an

871
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:44,239
idea that we could get behind and treat each other

872
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,079
the way that we want to be treated, and treat

873
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:50,320
our planet the way that God wants us to treat

874
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,800
our planet. I think that. Yeah, Yeah, there's that Clark

875
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:58,480
Clark quote, isn't it both are equally terrifying? That's that's

876
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,320
I love that quote. That's a good one. Thanks for

877
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,000
bringing that up.

878
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, you know, either way, you know, whether

879
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,960
we're this is that or not. You know, it's it's

880
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,360
just really too bad that we're a warring species. You know,

881
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,119
it's a it's a shame, and you know everything is

882
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,079
you know, you know, we're so driven financially to be

883
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:29,280
in war, you know, to the war machine, like Eisenhower

884
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,599
warned us of the industrial military industrial complex all that.

885
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:38,159
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's this interest that these beings seem to

886
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,079
have in our nuclear weapons. I mentioned this the other

887
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:49,440
night on Up Crossfire. What if their reason for their

888
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,599
interest in nuclear weapons is because they're afraid of them,

889
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,960
that they're the only weapon we have that poses a

890
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,719
threat to them. You know, I don't know. Ye, yes,

891
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,639
nuclear weapons bad. Nobody wants to see mushroom clouds. As

892
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,559
a meteorologists, that's one cloud I don't ever want to see.

893
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:14,280
But what if that's all we've got in a war

894
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,880
of the world's situation? I mean, there is the possibility

895
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,039
they could be hostile. I talked to three guys in

896
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,280
the last week who were in the last two weeks

897
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:26,840
who are really into the subject, have been into it

898
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,239
for many, many years, and they all have come to

899
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,639
the conclusion that they're malevolent.

900
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,079
Speaker 1: And did you say malevolent?

901
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,559
Speaker 2: Malevolent? They do not mean us good?

902
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,119
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if that was the case, I think

903
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:50,519
we'd probably know by now, you know, because people have

904
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,360
been citing things for so long, it seemed what are

905
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,119
they waiting for?

906
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: Did you know that four million people go missing every year?

907
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: I know, well I think of that every once in

908
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,039
a while too. The David Paulaidies for one one. You know,

909
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:09,599
all these people missing mysteriously. You know, a lot of

910
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,079
them are found or a lot of some do not

911
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,320
want to be found, you know, I mean, some want

912
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,480
to escape whatever situation they're in or whatever. But there

913
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,599
is that there is a number of people that do

914
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,719
just plane go missing.

915
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,159
Speaker 2: And in the United States that number annually averages five

916
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,599
hundred thousand that are never heard from again they go missing.

917
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,440
That's a lot of people to suddenly disappear. Yeah, and

918
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,599
the actual number of disappearances is more than that. But

919
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:42,239
as you pointed out, those are either people who voluntarily

920
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,559
wanted to disappear, or people who've been taken by a

921
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,000
relative or something like that.

922
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: Now, and just ask you real quickly, do you have

923
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,840
some type of messenger that's going off. I keep hearing

924
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,000
like a buzzing sound, like a vibration buzzing sound. It's

925
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,679
not I know, it's not on my end, so it's uh,

926
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,760
but I'm not sure where it would be coming from.

927
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,880
But anyway, we are about ready to go off the air.

928
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,119
Over at kg r A Radio, and I just want

929
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:10,480
to say goodbye to everyone over there and thank you

930
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:13,400
for listening, and we'll be back next week. And I'm

931
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,199
just having a change of guests right now, so I'm

932
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,639
not sure who that will be. Anyone can sign up

933
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:22,599
on our newsletter which is over at podcastufo dot com

934
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:24,800
and you can get our It goes out once a

935
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,360
week with who the guest is. So thank you over

936
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,840
there at kg r A Radio, and we'll be back

937
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,599
next Tuesday.

938
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,559
Speaker 2: So I have some more questions.

939
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: I know we were going to be hanging out and

940
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,159
we have some questions also in the in the chat true,

941
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,280
So yeah, what would you like to do? Would you

942
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,400
like to continue on with that conversation or do you

943
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,960
want to take.

944
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,079
Speaker 2: Some questions from listeners. They've been patiently waiting, all right.

945
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: So people who are posing questions please put them in

946
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,920
all caps. As doctor Richard did. Do you believe as

947
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,719
JS did, that the forces of cultural evolution will create

948
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,599
a moral populace? If so, would that happen to aliens

949
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:09,039
as well?

950
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: Well? What you have to answer when you're when you're

951
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,800
asking that question is whose morality does the populace follow?

952
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:26,199
And does one group's morality allow its coexistence with another

953
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,039
group's morality. I mean, there's still very few, very far

954
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,920
between and remote. But there's an island in the Indian Ocean.

955
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,400
I believe that it is still off limits to everybody.

956
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,280
You can't go there because if you go there, they

957
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,760
kill you and eat you. In their culture, that's a

958
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,199
perfectly acceptable way of life.

959
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the most five hundred thousand people go.

960
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're in somebody's pantry. Oh God forbid. Okay,

961
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:56,000
So does someone else have a question that you saw there? Oh?

962
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that that's basically yeah. So I'm just

963
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,679
looking for the ones and caps right now. Now again,

964
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,280
if you and I know there's another one. I just

965
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,599
saw it.

966
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,639
Speaker 2: Someone says he found three bears, and I say, how

967
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,840
many of those did you shoot? That we're dead?

968
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: And what do you think of the group that says

969
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,079
the visitors are all love and light.

970
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:24,199
Speaker 2: When I read the accounts of people who have been

971
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:28,760
abducted and what some of them have endured, the things

972
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
that have been done to them that some Mufan people

973
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,840
have told me that they had done to them, that's

974
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,000
not love and that's not light. That is assault, sexual assault,

975
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:48,599
violation of individuals. There is a group they call themselves

976
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,719
Close Encounters of the Fourth Fourth Kind or CE four,

977
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,480
and they say that they have more than three hundred

978
00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:00,159
documented cases in which people who have been abducted have

979
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,400
invoked the name of Jesus and the experience has ended.

980
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,679
I believe didn't Betty Hill in her testimony say that

981
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,039
during her experience she recited the Lord's prayer or a

982
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:16,280
hum or something and that's when they finally let them go.

983
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: So that's possible. I'm gonna just send a text to

984
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,559
someone that knows that story pretty well.

985
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,559
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, I'd like to know the truth of that. Again,

986
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:29,760
we're trying to get to the bottom of things. But

987
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:33,320
I do think that some of these are demonic, And

988
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,079
by demonic, I mean they are the enemies of humanity,

989
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:40,800
and they desire to hurt, to kill, to discourage, to dissuade,

990
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,280
to do anything they can to destroy humanity. And so

991
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:48,880
in those cases where you feel their demonic. And I

992
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,239
was talking to one investigator about the experiences where they

993
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,880
come into your room at night. Well, this idea of

994
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,840
things coming into your room at night goes all the

995
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,840
way back in human history. They used to be called

996
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,519
the incubus and the succubists back in the Middle Ages,

997
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:05,320
of these beings that would come into the room at

998
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,400
night and either mentally or physically somehow prey on the

999
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,599
victims as they lay in their beds. If you are

1000
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:19,280
experiencing that and a terror comes over, you call them

1001
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
the name of Jesus. What have you got to lose?

1002
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:21,679
Speaker 1: Huh?

1003
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,159
Speaker 2: I mean, just and let me know how that works

1004
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:27,239
for you. I'd love to be able to add one

1005
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,800
in the Jesus winds column. But there's this group that

1006
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,119
says they have more than three hundred documented cases where

1007
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:35,280
that's been and I've read some of them and they're

1008
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,679
pretty convincing. So that's just an element of that would

1009
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,079
be a part where they messed the darkness, tried to

1010
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:46,360
mess with the light and the light one another question.

1011
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, here's a well, this is a statement. Why

1012
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,840
would they be afraid of nukes if they could just

1013
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,159
turn them off? How do they know?

1014
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: How do they know they can turn them as all off?

1015
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: They did it right, they have on it in the past.

1016
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,199
And the person just answered me and Betty Barney Hill

1017
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:07,320
and was unaware of any praying in particular. But you

1018
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,480
know that's something it could be easily looked into.

1019
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: Okay, with the missile thing, you know, if they were

1020
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,320
working on a way to disable the nukes, would they

1021
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,719
want to test it. Well, they still had the advantage

1022
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,800
in their flight characteristics and the ability to outgun or

1023
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:24,400
outrun us.

1024
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll Well, here's another thing. If if they really

1025
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,559
wanted the nukes to be gone, and they were as

1026
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,519
advanced as they possibly are, then nukes wouldn't exist. You know,

1027
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,599
they would all be deactivated and not be able to

1028
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:42,320
be recreated, you know, and the event, which would be

1029
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:42,880
fine with me.

1030
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, a nuclear word. They could deactivate them in flight

1031
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:48,440
if they're so concerned about them. Yeah.

1032
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: And you know, there is this there is this section

1033
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,519
of people that think, they really think that the aliens

1034
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,440
are going to come in and save us from ourselves.

1035
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,239
But I'm not so sure about that.

1036
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: If they could have done that a long time ago. Yeah,

1037
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,719
if that's if that was their plan, they could have

1038
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:03,519
done a long time ago.

1039
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:08,239
Speaker 1: Here's another question here. Do you think the Vatican knows

1040
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,679
more than us?

1041
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,679
Speaker 2: I think they know more than they tell they'll tell us.

1042
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:14,880
Do they know all? Nope?

1043
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And let's see, here's another question here. Do

1044
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:26,639
you think that all these abductions are because the aliens

1045
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:32,239
are extracting human DNA for hybridization experiments?

1046
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 2: The idea of let's call it alien human hybrids, it's

1047
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,000
been around since the Book of Genesis, where you have

1048
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:48,719
fallen angels intermingling with female humans and creating an ancient group.

1049
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:54,679
What's the nephelim? I think it is referred to. And

1050
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:58,199
there are some people who believe that these beings were

1051
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,440
of incredible size and they did a lot of damage

1052
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,880
back in their day. This is part of the whole

1053
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,000
what came before the flood section, and the Bible's pretty

1054
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,920
sparse on that, but it does allow for the room

1055
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,719
of these things. But are they looking to get human

1056
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:19,079
DNA for hybridization purposes? There are many ways to get

1057
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:21,440
human DNA these days. They can get it off a

1058
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,320
drinking glass, you know, if you know, or if you

1059
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,840
leave a follicle of hair somewhere, they can get it.

1060
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,519
They don't need to be dragging you out of your

1061
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,360
room at night and throw you out a table and

1062
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,840
violating you to get DNA.

1063
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: Right, this is just a point. Well, I don't know

1064
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:42,960
what type of science. We've been doing some type of

1065
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,800
science for probably more than four hundred years, but just

1066
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,320
different types of different types of science. I would say

1067
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,159
maybe the modern science is four hundred years old. Here's

1068
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:56,880
another one from this one's from Old Gaffer. I like

1069
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:02,360
your name, Old Gaffer. Are any Bible Scott Sky sightings UFOs?

1070
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: Not in the sense that we're thinking of them. You know,

1071
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,760
people point to Ezekiel, Well, Ezekiel said that he had

1072
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,719
a vision of Lord, so I mean to him that

1073
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,960
that was his interpretation of what he saw. It's a

1074
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,719
pretty bizarre thing that he describes, and if you try

1075
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:22,119
to look at some artists renditions of it, it's kind

1076
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:28,599
of amazing. But we don't have any indication of UAP

1077
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:34,159
or UFOs being described as such or anything other than

1078
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:39,559
appearances of interdimensional beings. Now, the Star of Bethlehem is

1079
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,480
an interesting thing because scripture tells us that this light

1080
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:46,840
in the sky actually moved, you know, it led the

1081
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:49,840
wise men the magi to one location and then it

1082
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,320
led them to another location. So whatever that was, it

1083
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,840
was not a star in the sense of the word.

1084
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:02,440
It was something supernatural in that instance, and you know,

1085
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,840
they refer to it as a star. If we have

1086
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,960
to remember when we read the Bible, in ancient texts

1087
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:11,000
or even history a couple hundred years old, that people

1088
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,559
will describe things according to the knowledge that they have,

1089
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,280
and they will interpret things based on only that which

1090
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,039
they are aware of. And so sometimes we see these

1091
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:27,000
written descriptions of things that seem bizarre to us. But

1092
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,519
we have to kind of give them some slack. And

1093
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,000
I think a mistake that we make is when we

1094
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,599
think of people who lived many years ago as not

1095
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:39,639
as bright as we are. No, that's not correct mistake. Yeah,

1096
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:43,159
they were as bright as they could be within the

1097
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,559
limits of the knowledge that they had. And I'm sure

1098
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:48,679
that if you were to sit them down in a

1099
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:53,559
classroom today they would be and learn our ways and things.

1100
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,920
They would be as just as intelligent as you and

1101
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,239
I are.

1102
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure there were Einstein's in the past. Yeah,

1103
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,920
you know, I mean people that were like that. Here's

1104
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,840
another question here from Mary Grace Kirby. Do you think

1105
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:09,840
they're interested in our souls? Perhaps that's why DNA is taken.

1106
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: It's really really interesting. In fact, I talked about part

1107
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,480
of this in my sermon last Sunday. I showed this

1108
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:23,079
up on the screen. Scripture is clear that God imparts

1109
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,480
his soul to a human being while that person is

1110
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:30,119
still in the womb. There's something going around on the internet.

1111
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,920
I believe it was taken at Northwestern University, and it

1112
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:39,280
is a video of a human egg in a woman

1113
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:45,199
and what happens the moment that a sperm cell enters

1114
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:49,920
the egg and it shows a flash of light, And

1115
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:55,440
we believe that's because of a chemical reaction that takes

1116
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,360
place involving I forget it was zinc or potassium, one

1117
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,400
of those, but there's actually a visible flash of light

1118
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:08,639
at the moment that that now becomes a zygote or

1119
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,480
a fertilized egg, and there's something miraculous that occurs at

1120
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:17,400
that moment. So DNA, I don't think lives. I don't

1121
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,559
think our soul lives in our DNA, and I don't

1122
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:24,760
think that anyone can create a soul. So that would

1123
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,880
be my answer to that question.

1124
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do a lot of thinking, I can tell.

1125
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:34,280
So one of the things, you know, you passed me

1126
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,480
some notes, you know, and I thought there was a

1127
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,320
couple of really interesting things that you have thought about

1128
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,800
and looked into and all that you know a lot

1129
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,480
of times when well most of the time, I would

1130
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,719
say ninety percent of the time people claim that they

1131
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,679
see some type of being, it never has any type

1132
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,360
of breathing apparatus or any type of thing like that.

1133
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:55,559
And that was one of the questions when I was

1134
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:59,719
up in Shag Harbor, Shelburne. I happened back in nineteen

1135
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,920
there was, you know, an exercise that was done off

1136
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,880
the coast of Shellbourne, Nova Scotia, where they were doing

1137
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,760
underwater recovery exercises and they saw too, This is between

1138
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,399
Canada and US, and they were in seven fathoms about

1139
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,800
forty seven feet of water, and they clearly clearly saw

1140
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,640
these two discs and like there were these beings working

1141
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,640
outside on one of these discs. And I asked, did

1142
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,239
the divers actually say they had breathing apparatus, And the

1143
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:38,880
answer was no, there was no breathing apparatus, which makes

1144
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,640
you think about all kinds of things. But still, you know,

1145
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,760
one of the things you think about when people see

1146
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,439
all these beings without any type of mask or anything

1147
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,720
like that. You know, we all watched War of the

1148
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,399
Worlds when they they and we know about when you know,

1149
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,960
the missions went to different islands in different places that

1150
01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:00,600
all these people died with European diseases because you know,

1151
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,600
they weren't ready for them, they did not have them

1152
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,720
in their system and immunity to them. So why do

1153
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,680
you think people are reporting that these beings are without

1154
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,159
any How can they breathe the atmosphere? And how come

1155
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:17,119
they're not wearing anything?

1156
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I'm going to put my science hat

1157
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,680
on again from my meteorology days and look at this,

1158
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:28,159
and I am confused as to how a being could

1159
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:32,800
exist potentially on another world and that atmosphere, and unless

1160
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,840
that atmosphere is nearly identical to ours, come here and

1161
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,880
breathe with you know, impunity, and then also breathe underwater. Now,

1162
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,880
unless there's a guill mechanism that we're not seeing, I

1163
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,479
don't know how that could happen. What I would ask

1164
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,039
those who saw these beings under the water would be

1165
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:55,399
were there any bubbles coming up from them at all?

1166
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,800
Any sign of Because when we breathe, we take in,

1167
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,640
you know, the oxygen, we breathe out the carbon dioxide.

1168
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,600
What do they breathe out? And that would make if

1169
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,119
it you know, they have to be gaseous unless they

1170
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,920
had gills, then there would be bubbles.

1171
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: Or they use their epidural they use their skin, somehow.

1172
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: Use their skin. There would have to be a biological

1173
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,079
adaptation that allows.

1174
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't need oxygen. Maybe there's they exist some

1175
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,079
other way, you know. I mean, it's just where we're

1176
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:28,640
always put our things and what we know. We really

1177
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:29,880
don't know anything.

1178
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 2: Right, But then there's still the pressure, remember, because you know,

1179
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,000
you go down forty seven feet. I don't know about you,

1180
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:37,880
but if I go diving down to the bottom of

1181
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,079
a twelve foot pool, you know, I can feel the

1182
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:42,840
pressure on my ears and the you know, yeah, pushingian

1183
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,800
on it. And here on Earth you don't realize it,

1184
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,960
and I don't realize it because they're completely adapted to

1185
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,319
do it. But your you and I right now have

1186
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:52,359
several tons of pressure on our body, right and if

1187
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:55,880
you and I were to suddenly be thrust into the

1188
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,199
fringes of space, we would start to inflate like a balloon.

1189
01:10:59,279 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: And that could happen.

1190
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: It would be very yeah, very yeah. I'd do that

1191
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,680
at a buffet. But anyway, you know, you start to

1192
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,199
see this expansion and there was a movie starring Sean

1193
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:10,960
Connery many years ago called Outlander, and he was on

1194
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,640
this He was like a cop on on some distant

1195
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,920
moon mining operation and many people got, you know, out

1196
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,600
the air lock with him, and you'd see them blow

1197
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,039
up and pop like a balloon. So here's this creature

1198
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:29,520
that is so adaptable to do this, I really question.

1199
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,800
But again, all I have is my own framework, my

1200
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:39,439
own mindset. Yeah, that'd be a pretty cool ability to have, right,

1201
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,520
I mean, if I could breathe underwater, I'd be out

1202
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,960
at the reservoir looking for the biggest muskies and where

1203
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,840
they live. And I'd be out there tomorrow in a boat.

1204
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or I'd be treasure hunting. Here's another question here.

1205
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:55,760
If official disclosure happens, how will that affect Christianity and

1206
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,920
our fundation Christianity and our fundamental biblical beliefs.

1207
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to point paint, you know, a

1208
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,319
completely rosy picture here. There will be some will be

1209
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,079
very upset and fall away. But those whose faith is strong,

1210
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,279
we'll look at that and say, Huh, that's something I

1211
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:17,640
didn't know yesterday. Uh, And you know it. I think,

1212
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,279
what's what is of more concern to the Christian community,

1213
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,279
What do they want with us?

1214
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1215
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,079
Speaker 2: And what how is it going to affect us in

1216
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,399
terms of what's going to change in terms of being

1217
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,600
able to get along with these beings? And that goes

1218
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,199
back to the hypothetical opposed earlier.

1219
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: Right, And yeah, I think everyone would not That wouldn't

1220
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,279
be just Christian, that would be you know about everyone

1221
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:49,920
would like to know how are we going to get

1222
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,720
along with them? And what do they want? That's you know,

1223
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,479
the one of the three questions. Who are they? Why

1224
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,039
are they here? What do they want? You know that that.

1225
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: Is so important Martin, And I'm glad you brought that

1226
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:05,199
up because what is the primary drive of any species?

1227
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,600
It's a cybele preservation, self preservation and pass on genetic code. Ye,

1228
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:15,399
so that the next generation is a little bit somehow better.

1229
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:24,039
What do we have that their interaction with us would

1230
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:27,840
make them think that they will be better and their

1231
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:33,439
species will be advanced by interacting with us. They come

1232
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,560
here because they want something, I'm firmly.

1233
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: There, you know, I or they're just curious, you know,

1234
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,800
I mean it's hard to when you say this type

1235
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:53,079
of thing or ask this type of question, you're kind

1236
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:55,680
of thinking in human terms. But we have no idea

1237
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:59,760
what an alien species thinks, or what their motives could be,

1238
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,880
how they you know, how they approach things. We have

1239
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,520
not a single clue because right, you know, we have

1240
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,920
no idea how they think.

1241
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 2: Right, But if you believe as I do, that there

1242
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,479
are two forces in the world, moving now into the

1243
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:23,319
metaphysical philosophical that there is good and evil, and they

1244
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:27,720
are going to have to be aligned somewhere on that

1245
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:35,600
spectrum of predominantly benevolent or predominantly not and the kinds

1246
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,439
of questions that we need to ask, like, you know,

1247
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:42,479
they say, I've heard some encounters where they say that,

1248
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,720
you know, when you get to a certain point, we'll

1249
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,159
consider you to be part of the space community or

1250
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:51,239
federation or whatever it's called. Well, what are the rules

1251
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:56,239
that govern that alliance or that federation? What what what

1252
01:14:56,359 --> 01:14:59,600
are you know, what's the charter? Say? I've heard other

1253
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,159
people's say that, well, this group is at war with

1254
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:04,720
this group of aliens, and you know, we're kind of

1255
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,800
in the middle, and there's this tug of war going. Okay,

1256
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,680
what are they fighting over? What, what are the purposes

1257
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,840
of the conflict, and why are we in the middle

1258
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,760
of it. Is it a space realitate state thing. I

1259
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,199
don't think so, because there's plenty of space. You know,

1260
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,319
you don't need to fight over territory in space, I

1261
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:25,239
would think. But yeah, there's there's there has to be

1262
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:29,079
a motive. That's where you're you know, what do they want? Question?

1263
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:33,199
Is oh so important? Yeah, show UFO. I watched years

1264
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,800
ago that what they wanted was our organs. Remember that

1265
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,760
they were transplanting us into themselves.

1266
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,079
Speaker 1: Oh god, well, no, that wouldn't be good. Here's another

1267
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,199
So the question does revelations mention what could be UFOs?

1268
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: A revelation is a book that has a whole lot

1269
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,399
going on. I'll tell you what. There are all kinds

1270
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,479
of signs in the heavens and visions of strange creatures,

1271
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,279
and and you know, you have angels flying through the

1272
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:06,920
sky making proclamations. You have a dragon, you have a

1273
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:11,319
duel with the dragon, you have a pregnant woman, and

1274
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,319
all these things are appearing in the heavens, and so

1275
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:19,880
you know, I'm not going to say that they're UAP

1276
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:22,079
or alien, but there's a whole lot going on in

1277
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:26,960
the sky. The Bible doesn't really tell us anything in

1278
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:31,680
terms of you know, a silver disc will fly over

1279
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:34,399
a place called New York City. You know, it doesn't,

1280
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,800
that's not the way it works. And there's also a

1281
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,640
lot of metaphor and a lot of symbolism in there.

1282
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,159
So no, I don't think that in our discussion of

1283
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:47,920
UAP apart from the angel demon side, that some of

1284
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,319
them could be that there's any mention of say spacecraft

1285
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,720
or underwater craft in the Bible.

1286
01:16:57,119 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: Now, you said earlier you had some questions for me.

1287
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've kind of woven them into our conversations

1288
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,399
a bit here or there, and like about what kind

1289
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,159
of government do they have if they're at war? Why

1290
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,800
are they at war? And do we know anything? Do

1291
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,680
they have a perception of religion or an afterlife? Do

1292
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:26,680
they ever talk about a god or a superior being or.

1293
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 1: So that's really interesting. You know you mentioned earlier that

1294
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:36,600
there's a drive to have, you know, like a power

1295
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,520
greater than ourselves. And I remember I was in high

1296
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,640
school and Time magazine on the front cover had a

1297
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,079
picture of a brain and it said it was Time

1298
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:50,159
or one of those magazines I can't remember, and it said,

1299
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,760
if there is no God, our brains are wired to

1300
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,760
invent one title of it. Yeah, and it was like

1301
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,000
brain research they've done yet, And yeah, I mean that

1302
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:08,800
is very helpful to people to have some type of outside. Now,

1303
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:12,439
if it comes to aliens, I don't know would that

1304
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,880
work for them? Is that somehow or do they know something,

1305
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:21,039
you know, greater than we could ever know about what

1306
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,000
is actually what it's actually all about?

1307
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1308
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's this great clip I played on this

1309
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:35,199
channel somewhere where Jack Jack Wiener, one of the two brothers,

1310
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,279
twin brothers, that was in the allegash incon In in Maine

1311
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:41,600
in the nineteen seventies, seventy eight or something like that,

1312
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,279
and he claims that, you know, he had like an

1313
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:49,840
experience with the being and the being said showed like

1314
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,760
the star binary system and said, this is where the

1315
01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:00,680
highest intelligence live in this particular I think, you know,

1316
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,600
our I'm trying to think our galaxy, I believe, And

1317
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,439
and he says they got there and then it sounds

1318
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,720
really bizarre, and he said it was hard for him

1319
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,000
to say it, but they got that way because of

1320
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:15,159
unconditional love.

1321
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.

1322
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was quite quite a statement.

1323
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

1324
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: And you know, if you really think about if you

1325
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,359
think hard about that one statement. It sounds crazy, but

1326
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,960
can you imagine if we had unconditional love for each

1327
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,600
other how different the world would be?

1328
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I can't imagine it, because it's

1329
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,880
prophesied in scripture that there's going to come a day,

1330
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:45,199
you know, when evil will be vanquished and we will

1331
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:50,720
live united, enjoy and in peace with the devil and

1332
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,640
his demons. They're gone, They're in Hell forever, and those

1333
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,079
of us who have embraced God's gift to us will

1334
01:19:57,119 --> 01:20:00,720
live with eternity, live for eternity, not going to be

1335
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,319
sitting on a cloud with a little halo and little harp,

1336
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:07,399
you know, playing like that. No, there's a whole universe

1337
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,600
out there, and I'm sure that God has some great

1338
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,000
and wonderful plans. In fact, it says in the Bible,

1339
01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:16,920
I has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it

1340
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:20,640
entered into the mind of anyone what God has in

1341
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,119
store for those who love him. So that's what I'm

1342
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:25,720
looking forward to. And if this is truly a race

1343
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,199
of beings that has gotten to the place where everything

1344
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,000
is love, then that tells us a lot about them,

1345
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:36,840
and they would be perfectly aligned with what the Bible says.

1346
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,600
It says God is love and so that is light

1347
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,399
and him is no darkness at all. So that is

1348
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,399
something that should be embraced. I'd like to meet those aliens.

1349
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,199
I'd like to hang out with them for a while.

1350
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 1: See see what. I'll send you the clip of him

1351
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,159
talking about that'd be great. Yeah, so you know, I

1352
01:20:55,159 --> 01:21:01,199
mean it really, you know, it makes you think about,

1353
01:21:01,319 --> 01:21:05,880
you know, this whole thing. But how you know, we've

1354
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,000
developed and I think we're kind of in a rough

1355
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:12,159
spot right now. But let me ask you. I've never

1356
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:15,600
asked anyone that has your type of beliefs this question before,

1357
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,119
but what do you think about when people talk about

1358
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:22,119
past lives and reincarnation and all that.

1359
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,079
Speaker 2: I do not believe in reincarnation. I believe that what

1360
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,000
the Bible says, it is appointed unto men wance to die,

1361
01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:32,600
and then the judgment that this is the life that

1362
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,880
we are given from God. I do know of instances

1363
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,640
where the past life thing has been a demonic deception

1364
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:44,479
for people. But you know, one of the things that

1365
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,600
I struggle with is if we just have to keep

1366
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,239
doing the same doing life over and over and over

1367
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:56,680
and over again until we get it right. That's upsetting

1368
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,880
to me because you know I right now, you know,

1369
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:05,960
my knees hurt, my prostates bothering me. I don't necessarily

1370
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:08,800
want to go through all of this all over again.

1371
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,479
I hope maybe I might get to the next level,

1372
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,840
But what's the next level after human? Uh, you know,

1373
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,079
enlightened human? And you know, if I'm to be absorbed

1374
01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:25,640
into a global or I'm sorry, universal consciousness, then I

1375
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,640
lose my individuality at that point. And if I lose

1376
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,640
my individual individuality, how will I know I've gotten there?

1377
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a couple more. This is

1378
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,560
the way off the UFO topic. I hope my listeners

1379
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,239
are okay with it, but so let me just ask

1380
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:44,600
you this. How about the people that are born and

1381
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,399
they're here for a week and they're gone. I mean,

1382
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,359
what was the purpose of that had an hour or

1383
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:55,800
then that had some severe mental issues that could not

1384
01:22:57,239 --> 01:23:00,159
you know, even though they're alive type of thing, and

1385
01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:03,079
you know, and survive and you know what I mean

1386
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,560
for a while, and then they're gone. You know, I mean,

1387
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,840
what is the purpose of that? And I don't know

1388
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,159
if you ever watched I forget the name of the movie,

1389
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:15,880
but they had this this guy. All these things were happening,

1390
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,199
like the fish were all dyeing, the sea turned red

1391
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:20,079
and all this, and it had to do with a

1392
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,119
I think he called it the gull was out of souls,

1393
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,439
no more souls left. I think there's you know, I mean,

1394
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,199
do you think about these things that are a certain

1395
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:35,319
amount of souls that are available or they're endless? And

1396
01:23:36,039 --> 01:23:38,239
you know, if you think all these you know, I

1397
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,960
think it was. I forget how many billions I have

1398
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:45,600
looked into it before, people that have existed since mankind,

1399
01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:51,520
and I forget it's something like, I forget five hundred

1400
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,399
billion or something like that. I don't even know. But

1401
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,119
I mean, you think there's a place for everybody?

1402
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: I do. I mean when God placed Adam and even

1403
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,279
the garden of Eden, and he give him two instructions.

1404
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,319
He said, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth

1405
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,199
and subdue it. But that word subdue sometimes translate have

1406
01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:13,399
dominion of When you look at it, it's a custodial term.

1407
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:18,199
He's saying, manage it, well, take good care of what

1408
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:21,039
I've given you. He gave us earth. What a wonderful

1409
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:26,359
planet we have. If we could just stop with all

1410
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:30,159
the negativity. I just want to side note, put a

1411
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:33,000
pin here, go over here. If you haven't gotten out

1412
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:36,439
into nature lately, it's a wonderful time to do it.

1413
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,840
Go and see the northeast and here into black hills

1414
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,640
or someplace where the fall colors are in effect. It's

1415
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,640
absolutely gorgeous and just the Bible says, what can be

1416
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,479
known about God, His individual attributes are evident in the

1417
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,239
things that he has made. So he's speaking to us

1418
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,560
through creation. Now, coming back to what question you asked,

1419
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,079
is there a limit? He said, you know, take care

1420
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:05,520
of this and then be fruitful and multiply and fill

1421
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,399
the earth. He didn't put a number on it, didn't

1422
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:10,359
say but we're going to limit each of you to

1423
01:25:10,399 --> 01:25:14,399
three kids or you know, something like that. Just said,

1424
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:17,079
be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Because one

1425
01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:20,720
of the things we do know is Earth is incredibly resilient.

1426
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:24,479
It really is to have handled all of the different

1427
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,439
catastrophes that it suffered throughout its history. You know, we

1428
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,000
think of, you know, the greenhouse gases that we're putting out,

1429
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,520
and I'm not going to go into that side of

1430
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:40,680
the thing, but how volcanoes spew such a massive amount

1431
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,119
of that stuff in a single eruption at the Earth heals.

1432
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:50,479
Very early in my meteorology career, Mounting Helen's erupted. Oh yeah,

1433
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,439
And I remember watching that ash plume on the satellite

1434
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,720
pictures overspreading areas and they were saying that life will

1435
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,880
not be possible in a slow hopes of my Mount

1436
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,439
Saint Hello's for one hundred years. Well within ten years

1437
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:08,399
we had trees coming up, the elk coming back Spirit Lake.

1438
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:13,720
There is recovering. So Earth is incredibly resilient. That's not

1439
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,720
an excuse for us to abuse it at all. We

1440
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,439
need to take good care of it. But I would

1441
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,439
say to you that no, there is no limit to

1442
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,960
the number of souls, and we should people should have

1443
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,279
as many children as they're capable of supporting.

1444
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I I always you know, the Bible's

1445
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:37,239
written by men. You know it was man made. So

1446
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:42,439
how how do we rely on that so strongly? I

1447
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,399
know this is a getting way off the UFO topic,

1448
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:50,000
But how why is that taken so strongly? And I

1449
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:52,520
you know, just that question may offend some people that

1450
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,960
are really into this. I don't know, but I'm not

1451
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,880
trying to be offensive in any type of way. I'm

1452
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,680
just I just think of, well, you know, that's you know,

1453
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,520
quite a thing, but it's still written by man. And

1454
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:08,239
then King George, our King, King James, King James, thank you.

1455
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:11,840
King James came to the Wong, changed changed some things again,

1456
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,800
you know, interference with man, and it's over the years,

1457
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:17,760
you know, reprinted and printed, and then you know there's

1458
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,399
other books and you know, from other different types of religions,

1459
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,199
and you know, why should one be better than the

1460
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:27,319
other or make more difference than the other.

1461
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:35,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a whole podcast right there. The Bible

1462
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:42,560
is truly a unique and interesting piece. It's sixty six books,

1463
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,960
or in some denominations a few more called the apocrypha,

1464
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,319
but the canon of Scripture, that which is considered the

1465
01:27:50,359 --> 01:27:54,560
word of God, is sixty six books. These books, the

1466
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,800
earliest one is the Book of Job and that was

1467
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,800
written sometime between fifteen hundred and two thousand. The oldest

1468
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,319
was written near the end of the first century. So

1469
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:08,239
you've got a period there about twenty one hundred years

1470
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,399
written by more than forty different men from different backgrounds,

1471
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:23,079
different education levels, and throughout that period, referenced itself more

1472
01:28:23,079 --> 01:28:26,159
than sixty three thousand times. There's a graphic you can

1473
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:31,399
find on the Internet. It's created by Chris Harrison, Associate

1474
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:38,119
Professor of Human Computer Interaction at Carnegie Mellon University. Jordan Peterson.

1475
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:39,479
I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's

1476
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,279
used this in some of his lectures about the Bible.

1477
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:48,840
The Bible is the world's first, oldest, most extensive hyper

1478
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,479
linked document because more than sixty three thousand times you

1479
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,760
have verses that refer to either a future or a

1480
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,720
past verse from forty different authors. We had no idea

1481
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,800
what the other guy was writing, and yet they carry

1482
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:10,000
through this consistent message. God calls out a people for him. First,

1483
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,119
God creates man, Man rebels God wipes out the earth

1484
01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:15,239
in a flood. There are more than two hundred and

1485
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:19,600
thirty cultures across the globe, from South America to the

1486
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,640
Middle East to China that speak about a global flood

1487
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,840
blood great flood, and there's some interesting theories as to

1488
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,520
what happened during that. There's one I could share with,

1489
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,039
but right now let's focus where we are here. After

1490
01:29:32,079 --> 01:29:35,439
the flood, God says, I'm going to call out a

1491
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:39,039
people unto myself, and I'm going to show how I

1492
01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:42,479
interact with people through how I'm going to interact with this.

1493
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,680
So we called out the Hebrews today we called them

1494
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,680
the Jews. And then out of their lineage comes a

1495
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,880
man who says, now I'm going to show I've showed

1496
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,960
you how God interacts with his people. I'm going to

1497
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,760
give a gift for you, the individual, and that's the

1498
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:03,119
individual gift of South. And so he becomes incarnate, offers

1499
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,439
himself on a cross for the sacrifice of mankind, for

1500
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,319
the sins of mankind, and then he says, in the future,

1501
01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:12,680
I'm going to come again, but there are two things

1502
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,840
I really want you to do. Jesus said, all the

1503
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,640
commandments of the Bible can be wrapped up into two things.

1504
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:22,439
Love God. How do we love God? Bible tells us

1505
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,880
by doing what he wants us to do, and love

1506
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,920
your neighbor as yourself. It's not hard. So we do that.

1507
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:33,359
And you were saying, Martin, what a wonderful planet we

1508
01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:36,800
would have if everybody just followed that, If everybody just

1509
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:41,640
loved others as they love themselves and then acknowledged God's

1510
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,560
gift to us. That's all he asks of us. The

1511
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,479
Bible is his message to us. It says, in the

1512
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,720
beginning was the word. The word was with God, the

1513
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,039
word was God. That word became incarnate in Jesus Christ.

1514
01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:57,239
So he took the word of God into himself and

1515
01:30:57,319 --> 01:31:00,199
came here and then showed us how to live of

1516
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:03,880
a perfect life. And we killed him for it. So,

1517
01:31:04,119 --> 01:31:07,000
I mean, you got to understand, we're kind of hostile

1518
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:09,159
to this sort of message, and people just don't want

1519
01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:11,560
to follow that. But when they stop and think about

1520
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,479
it and they realize all the good things that God

1521
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:14,800
has done and all the things he wants to do

1522
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,439
for us, it's something that can be embraced. I cannot

1523
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,640
speak to the other texts, Martin, because I haven't read

1524
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:25,920
I haven't read them. I can't read Hindu, I can't

1525
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:30,439
you know, read Chinese. So I just have to go

1526
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,319
with what Jesus said. He said, I am the Way,

1527
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:34,479
the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the

1528
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:41,800
Father but by me. And he was one of three things. Okay,

1529
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,680
you can't say he was just a good moral teacher

1530
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,760
because he called himself God. People said, now, Jesus never

1531
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,479
said he was God. Sure he did many times now

1532
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,600
and you can look at am. I and the Father

1533
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,479
are one. It doesn't get much more straightforward than that.

1534
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,199
Or you know, I adjure you in the day the

1535
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:03,319
Living God. Are you the Messiah? He says, yes, I am.

1536
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:08,279
And anyway, so here he is this perfect being who

1537
01:32:08,359 --> 01:32:10,760
came and showed us how to live, and then he

1538
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,359
surrendered that perfect life for us. And all we have

1539
01:32:14,399 --> 01:32:18,239
to do is receive that gift. And his call goes

1540
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:21,680
out to everybody, to everybody watching and listening. And I

1541
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,960
would just say, concerning the Bible, don't knock it, don't

1542
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:29,279
mock it, don't say bad things about Christians. Until you've

1543
01:32:29,279 --> 01:32:31,800
read it cover to cover, Go and get one. I

1544
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,279
don't care what version you get. Read it. As to

1545
01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:41,359
the amendments over time, that comes from largely archaeological stuff.

1546
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,520
It's interesting. In nineteen forty seven, a shepherd boy walking

1547
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,680
through what is now Israel near the Dead Sea, through

1548
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,840
a rock into a cave and he heard break dead

1549
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,800
Sea scrolls, dead Sea scrolls exactly, and inside one of

1550
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:59,239
the scrolls was an almost complete Book of Isaiah. So

1551
01:32:59,279 --> 01:33:02,920
they took that Book of Isaiah and they compared its

1552
01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:05,720
text to the text of the Bible. And the Book

1553
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,439
of Isaiah we have today, and it was word for

1554
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,359
word except for a couple of little punctuation things here

1555
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,640
or there. And that tells you the diligence with which

1556
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:21,600
the copyists did that down over the ages. That's a

1557
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:26,119
miraculous thing. And as we discover more parchments, and I

1558
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:29,760
love archaeology, we discover these things. You know, we're always

1559
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,079
discovering things that seem to validate what the Bible says.

1560
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:35,960
Whether it's a coin that says someone was an emperor

1561
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,920
of a region at this point in time and that's

1562
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:42,600
mentioned in Luke, or we find something in an Ethiopia

1563
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,560
that testifies to a certain governor over a region and

1564
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,800
that's mentioned in another book of the Bible. This all

1565
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,560
just kind of points to that as something we probably

1566
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:53,239
better read.

1567
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we thank you for going on that off topic.

1568
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:06,520
So as far as as far as aliens go and

1569
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:14,239
other planets says, there's planets in a trillion planets out

1570
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:20,880
there and hundreds of billions of them have intelligent life.

1571
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:22,199
Let's just go that.

1572
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Okay, let's sit there.

1573
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 1: Is there one being that's overlooking all the creation and

1574
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:32,560
all the souls.

1575
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:37,520
Speaker 2: Well, I believe there is. And there was a song

1576
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,760
back in the seventies by a folk rock artist named

1577
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,000
Larry Norman, and he wrote this during a flap of

1578
01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:49,479
UFO sightings in the early seventies, I think, And he

1579
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:54,680
said the song is called Ufo and it says, if

1580
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,319
there's life on other planets that I'm sure that God

1581
01:34:57,399 --> 01:34:59,880
must know, and He's been there once already in his

1582
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:04,439
to save their souls. What we have, what we have

1583
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,760
knowledge of, is how he's interacted with us. I don't

1584
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,680
know how he's interacted with the Nordics or the Grays

1585
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,159
or the Reptilians or you know, whoever's coming here from wherever.

1586
01:35:15,039 --> 01:35:16,720
But I do know that He is fair and just

1587
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,119
in whatever system that He has designed for them has

1588
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:22,319
helped them get to where they are because they can

1589
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:26,520
zip through space or not or not.

1590
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's see, here's another question here. I'm just

1591
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:44,079
I'm just replying to my producer, Okay, So this question

1592
01:35:44,199 --> 01:35:47,600
is why do religious concepts and stories in ancient Egypt

1593
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:52,000
predate similar idea ideas found in the Bible, and why

1594
01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:55,199
do they date back thousands of years before the emergence

1595
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:59,520
of Christianity or even Judaism. So I don't know if

1596
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,880
this is all factual. I'm just reading the question.

1597
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 2: That is a conversation in and of itself. There are

1598
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:14,880
similarities in other beliefs, but there are severe distinctions when

1599
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,880
you look in it. When you take these things like

1600
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:22,279
the ancient Mesopotamian religions for example, that predate all of this,

1601
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:30,840
they have a similar you know, virgin birth, death, resurrection thing.

1602
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,760
But when you look at all of that's going on

1603
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:36,760
around that and what happens too and involves the characters

1604
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,680
that are doing that, it's a different story. But it

1605
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:43,960
is interesting, isn't it that all around the world God

1606
01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:46,880
is speaking and he's telling people what he's going to do.

1607
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,800
He's telling people what he's done, and he's inviting them

1608
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:53,520
to come to him. So that would be my answer

1609
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:53,800
to that.

1610
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:59,199
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, I don't know if there's anything else you said,

1611
01:36:59,239 --> 01:37:01,760
you were you probably out of questions.

1612
01:37:02,199 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: Well I had, is this something? Has anyone ever seen

1613
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,359
one of these things eat or drink? And what do

1614
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:09,119
they eat or drink?

1615
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a there's a lot of uh

1616
01:37:13,279 --> 01:37:16,159
talk about when people have seen let's say the Grays.

1617
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:18,560
You know, people talk about the grays and they'll say

1618
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,800
they have a little teeny slip for a mouth, or

1619
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,359
maybe you know, not even anything existent as a mouth,

1620
01:37:26,119 --> 01:37:28,479
you know, maybe they eat some other way or they

1621
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,159
they every everything that we know of haves to have

1622
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:35,960
get energy somehow. Maybe they get their energy in another

1623
01:37:36,319 --> 01:37:37,840
fashion or something.

1624
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,079
Speaker 2: But wasn't there a guy who said they made him

1625
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:42,399
pancakes once?

1626
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,560
Speaker 1: Oh? That guy, that's quite a story. Yeah, that's a story. Uh,

1627
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,960
they made him pancakes and the pancake that he submitted

1628
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:53,600
to get tested was actually a pancake, you know, was

1629
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,319
a you know, with regular you know. So I don't

1630
01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:58,720
know about that particular story, but that was a Yeah,

1631
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:00,039
that's an interesting one.

1632
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I had this just another couple questions

1633
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:10,920
here concerning their physiology. Do they appear to be right

1634
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:17,800
or left handed? Or responsive to particular sounds or or lights?

1635
01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:21,119
Speaker 1: Wow, those are all great questions that I would love

1636
01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:25,600
to ask someone that says they experience these there they

1637
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,479
you know, from what people have talked about, either they're

1638
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,600
sort of like almost like a work or be like

1639
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,159
a drone, you know, type of maybe there's some other

1640
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:36,039
intelligence they're working with or something like that. You know,

1641
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:40,760
that's kind of what people have commented, they're very there's

1642
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,960
no like empathetic, h you know, notations or anything. It's

1643
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,920
just very you know, job done type of thing.

1644
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:53,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then finally, you know, I I do

1645
01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:57,760
not know anyone personally who's currently a move on an investigator,

1646
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,880
but I'm wondering, and maybe you could answer to smart

1647
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,239
and in their UAP reporting, how detailed do they get

1648
01:39:04,279 --> 01:39:08,039
in reporting the meteorological conditions at the time, such as

1649
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:10,399
tamp wind due posts.

1650
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: They're very good at that. Yeah, they're very good at that.

1651
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:15,319
Are the ones that I've talked to about that. They

1652
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,479
want to know everything about when this whatever happened, what

1653
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,079
was above and satellites and you know, you name it,

1654
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,039
the ISS anything like that. They want to know all

1655
01:39:26,079 --> 01:39:30,399
that information. And weather conditions is always definitely part of that.

1656
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 2: Because you know, barometric pressure has a profound impact on

1657
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,000
us physiologically. And I was wondering, you know, for example,

1658
01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:42,640
if we could learn that these appearances only to take

1659
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:48,640
place within a certain parameter of meteorology. Has there ever

1660
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:53,199
been an alien abduction or encounter in a blizzard or rain?

1661
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've asked that question about rain before

1662
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,119
because there was some type of situation where it was

1663
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:03,680
at least very cloudy, maybe rainy or something where someone

1664
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,920
talked about one but a blizzard. That's a really good

1665
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,880
you know, are they out shoveling too, I don't know.

1666
01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:11,239
Speaker 2: Or do all of these take place when the barometric

1667
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:14,399
pressure is between this level and this level? Yeah, because

1668
01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:17,439
that might indicate a point of tolerance or intolerance for them.

1669
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: You know, that's a really good, a really good question.

1670
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,560
And you know, I had a guest on I don't

1671
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,279
know a couple of years ago and then he was

1672
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:30,680
I think he was in Unsolved Mysteries or something like that,

1673
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,680
and he was a weather He worked at a weather

1674
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:37,960
station and saw these things on radar and was reporting them.

1675
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,640
You know, he would be someone to get involved with

1676
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,600
as far as that question goes, I think.

1677
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:47,359
Speaker 2: Right, because if they are cellular beings like we are,

1678
01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:53,000
where they're composed of cells, and if those cells are

1679
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:58,359
fluid filled, they're going to be sensitive to barometric pressure. See,

1680
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:00,199
you and I have these little sacks of water that

1681
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:04,239
we're made out of or fluid, and as the pressure falls,

1682
01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:09,520
they expand, as it rises, they contract. This is why

1683
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,239
people who've had an injury or surgery tend to know

1684
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:16,880
when a change in the weather is coming. Yeah, because

1685
01:41:17,159 --> 01:41:20,439
when a cell heals from surgery or an injury on

1686
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:25,279
football knee injury or something, the membrane around the cell

1687
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,800
is a little less elastic than the surrounding area. So

1688
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:35,039
you get this differential pressure expansion and falling with weather changes.

1689
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:38,600
And that's why people ache or hurt when there's a

1690
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,159
sharp barometric pressure change. If we could learn, for instance,

1691
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:46,640
that they're only appearing in this range of barometric pressure,

1692
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,479
there might be a reason for that, something for us

1693
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:50,319
to investigate.

1694
01:41:51,079 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Wow. Fascinating. Well, you've certainly been a wonderful guest. Thank

1695
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:57,640
you so much, and we have your books are linked

1696
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,760
below in the text messages, and all also put a

1697
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,479
couple of other things in the show notes for everybody

1698
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,760
to see. But thank you so much. And I do

1699
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,359
not know who my guest is next week, but there

1700
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:11,199
will be a guest and there will be a show

1701
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:14,600
next Tuesday, same time. And again, thank you so much.

1702
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:15,560
It's been a real pleasure.

1703
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,319
Speaker 2: And thank you everybody for your patience and listening to me.

1704
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:21,840
I had somebody say he's proselytizing. That's my full time job.

1705
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,640
But I want to thank you for letting me back

1706
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:24,880
some other subjects as well.

1707
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Good night, Yeah, and thank you all in the chat

1708
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,960
and people watching live for all your great questions. All right,

1709
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:34,000
you take care and everyone remember to keep your eyes

1710
01:42:34,039 --> 01:43:00,399
to the sky.