Speaker 1: Always excited when we have the opportunity to do what
Speaker 1: we're about to do for the next hour, even though
Speaker 1: it is snowy and it is cold. Doctor Chris Hill
Speaker 1: made a sojourn downtown here in our studios. Doctor Hill,
Speaker 1: did you have to shovel this morning? This was quite
Speaker 1: a snowstorm. Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: I don't know where the guy went that was supposed
Speaker 2: to help.
Speaker 1: Was like, it was heavy.
Speaker 2: So that was almost my exercise for the day for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure, But boy, not much, not much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he it wet, heavy snow. Luckily, my son
Speaker 1: is in town and so I woke up. I said, Pal,
Speaker 1: get out of bed. The shovel's right there, do your thing.
Speaker 1: So he was able to help me out, which is good.
Speaker 1: But it is wild. I mean, if you've lived in
Speaker 1: Utah for longer than a couple of years, you know
Speaker 1: March can bring a lot of different weather patterns for sure.
Speaker 1: That's fun. Good to see you, my friend. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for the time and a perfect time to have
Speaker 1: you in. Alex Jensen officially announced as the seventeenth head
Speaker 1: coach in Utah men's basketball history. I have not had
Speaker 1: a chance to discuss this with you, so what do
Speaker 1: you have to say.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wanted him to have his press
Speaker 2: conference and not talk about it as all that stuff
Speaker 2: because but it's been fun for me because I'm excited
Speaker 2: about it. And as I mentioned off air, he called me,
Speaker 2: you know, on a Saturday before and we talked for
Speaker 2: a long time. Then talked about our families and everything.
Speaker 2: That group of you know, they weren't just good in
Speaker 2: the nineties. Rick didn't travel with the team, so guys
Speaker 2: like me got to know the guys and it was
Speaker 2: really fun, you know. So we had a nice conversation
Speaker 2: about a lot of things. I was happy that he
Speaker 2: wanted the job, you know, but again, when you care
Speaker 2: about somebody, you don't want to tell him take it
Speaker 2: or do this or do that. But he was any smart,
Speaker 2: he kind of We talked about stuff he knows. I mean,
Speaker 2: the world has changed. He knows that, you know, and
Speaker 2: he's watched it from both ends now and you know,
Speaker 2: he's got to find he knows, he's got to find
Speaker 2: some guys that or a general manager, you know, that's
Speaker 2: paid well, that doesn't want to be a coach, that
Speaker 2: knows how to deal with agents and all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that person as opposed to the NBA needs to
Speaker 2: report to that coach.
Speaker 1: You know, in the NBA, I.
Speaker 2: Feel sorry for the coach here because you know, the
Speaker 2: GMS aren't helping him win games.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a secret in town or not,
Speaker 1: but they're fifteen and they're like fifteen and said it's
Speaker 1: not a secret, doctor, Oh.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh my gosh. I thought they were just having
Speaker 2: a bad luck. I streak, you know, fifteen and fifty four.
Speaker 2: I think the fan base gets.
Speaker 1: It by now. Yeah, so you do. There's an example.
Speaker 2: You want to make sure the GM goes to the
Speaker 2: head coach and you know he'll put together good staff
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean I used to say in
Speaker 2: the AD UCLA said to me, John wouldn't ain't walking
Speaker 2: through the door, and Rick Magerias ain't walking through the door.
Speaker 1: So let's get over it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Rick kind of ruined it for everybody, you know, because
Speaker 2: I mean, if you add up the wins he had
Speaker 2: in the NCA tournament, you could have like four states
Speaker 2: together and they wouldn't match up with it. I mean,
Speaker 2: he just won games. Yes it did, and so you know,
Speaker 2: and he was a savant at his time.
Speaker 1: But you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it doesn't mean you lower expectations,
Speaker 2: but you have to look well you do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't expect that to happen. You hope
Speaker 1: for it, but to expect it is just unfair to Alex. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I expect him to do well.
Speaker 2: I think they'll get kind of in the top five
Speaker 2: or six of the league and kind of that may
Speaker 2: be their birthright, you know, and they can do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I'm just excited for him, his family. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just different because he's kind of not a star
Speaker 2: in front of the media. I mean, he's a good
Speaker 2: guy and all that. He also he's a family guy.
Speaker 2: One of the things he's concerned about is, boy, you
Speaker 2: come back to Utah, you're head coach, and I want
Speaker 2: to watch my daughter play soccer. And thirty two thousand
Speaker 2: people are coming up talking to him, right, And how
Speaker 2: do I get Dallas.
Speaker 1: I got to sit there and nobody knew.
Speaker 2: But if you you know, you want to move up
Speaker 2: the food chain, that's the way it goes. But you know,
Speaker 2: I told him, you got to learn how to have
Speaker 2: polite leaving behavior. So you can say a lot of
Speaker 2: me because he's I said, Alex, you could be there
Speaker 2: all day talking to people because you're so nice.
Speaker 1: He's that nice guy out. Yeah, so you got to
Speaker 1: figure out how to be nice.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they get the message that, oh,
Speaker 2: Alex wants to watch his daughter play, right, you know,
Speaker 2: gotta have So that's an interesting thing for him. But
Speaker 2: you know, and his his mom's still here, and he
Speaker 2: said she goes to jazz games and stuff, so it
Speaker 2: would be great to see her there for sure, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's fun. I think he's really smart, he's
Speaker 2: really tough. Uh, he's today's coach. I think you know,
Speaker 2: he understands that you just can't treat kids like you
Speaker 2: did twenty five years ago. Yeah, you know they you know,
Speaker 2: a little Johnny. If he doesn't like his team, his
Speaker 2: dad just puts him on another one in you so
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, you want me to play defense,
Speaker 2: are you kidd me?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: But I think Alex will put it together. He's learned
Speaker 2: a lot from Rick. And I'm not just talking excess
Speaker 2: his nose. I learned a lot from Rick, you know
Speaker 2: about running what I did amazing. It's so there was
Speaker 2: things to apply for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean Rick was a very intelligent, conflicted, brilliant, maniacal person,
Speaker 1: you know, for better or for worse. And it was
Speaker 1: it was interesting listening to Alex talk about and Josh
Speaker 1: Grant has said this as well, that Rick ruined the
Speaker 1: game of basketball for him because and when you hear
Speaker 1: that sentence, you're like, well, that can't be a good thing.
Speaker 1: And then Alex unpacked it and said, every time he
Speaker 1: watches a basketball game, he watches it through the prism
Speaker 1: of how Rick used to watch.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like an you know, I learned so
Speaker 2: much from But what you're just saying is we had
Speaker 2: an expression that I would tell people that Rick was an.
Speaker 1: Interesting collection of people.
Speaker 2: Yes, and even he didn't like and he told me
Speaker 2: even I don't like myself sometimes, but I learned so
Speaker 2: much from Rick, and it, you know, like, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it was Josh. But role definition. Rick's teams in anything
Speaker 2: you do, his team's had the role definition.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes he rudely assigned the role and let him play.
Speaker 2: And people do play outside their role. They got along.
Speaker 2: It's a genius they get along. You think of a company,
Speaker 2: everybody knows what their job is. Everybody's doing that and
Speaker 2: I remember one practice one time, Josh, and I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure it was Josh.
Speaker 1: I have to ask him this.
Speaker 2: So Josh gives up a wide open shot to make
Speaker 2: it past to somebody else. Rick freaks out, Do you
Speaker 2: think you're here to play defense, You're here to shoot
Speaker 2: the ball. You are selfish?
Speaker 1: What does he thought?
Speaker 2: Drew so and so became agra set that screen for you.
Speaker 2: He give it up, bought it for you, and you're
Speaker 2: you're selfish. That's what you gotta do. And I'm thinking
Speaker 2: that said so much because he's praising the guy to
Speaker 2: set the screen. Sure, he's also saying, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be in love with his high score
Speaker 2: all time, but he's also staying a high score. This
Speaker 2: is what you're here for. Don't look anywhere else. And
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, that's what part of what I
Speaker 2: put took from it. And then all the little things,
Speaker 2: I mean, your hands have to be so I mean,
Speaker 2: he you know, was he was crazy, But that's like
Speaker 2: person I would consider a expert or something.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I didn't have. I mean, I
Speaker 1: went to Rick's camp for four or five years growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, through middle school and high school, and then
Speaker 1: had a brief experience within my freshman year at the
Speaker 1: U before I decided that. You know, when you try
Speaker 1: to guard Andre Miller and you're a five eleven white kids,
Speaker 1: you join it fraternity and figure out other things to do.
Speaker 1: But my brief interactions with him and then just listening
Speaker 1: to him talk about the game was how detailed he
Speaker 1: was about everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what you know, that's what I really
Speaker 2: you know, moving more with Alex is that's what I
Speaker 2: like about his People will get that, he'll he'll it's
Speaker 2: hard to deal with the details. I couldn't do it,
Speaker 2: you know, like you've got to defend this way. Your
Speaker 2: feet need to be here, That's how you have to
Speaker 2: do it. And now it's going to be an interesting
Speaker 2: challenge for him because kids are in detailed now. You know,
Speaker 2: they just want to play and want to shoot the ball,
Speaker 2: and some of that you do have to give up.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't coach like Rick because kids attention
Speaker 2: spans aren't that long, right, you know, and so and
Speaker 2: what they want to do is different you want them
Speaker 2: to do. And offenses are defense. Bottom line though, is
Speaker 2: you got to defend, rebound and move on. Is what
Speaker 2: we used to say in the tournament, right.
Speaker 1: I wonder and doctor Hill is with us. Doctor Chris Hill,
Speaker 1: former ad at the U, hired Rick Majaris and was
Speaker 1: you know, around for a long time making a number
Speaker 1: of great hires, not just Rick. And we'll get to
Speaker 1: some football coming up in our second segment, but you
Speaker 1: hear a lot about the relationship between Rick and Alex right.
Speaker 1: And you know Britton Johnsonho's a dear friend of mine.
Speaker 1: And Britton and I did jazz radio together for seven years,
Speaker 1: got to know his family. I mean, Britt's the sweetest
Speaker 1: guy in the world. Oh yeah, you know, I love Britt. Now.
Speaker 1: He and Josh Grant on the show kind of went
Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But it's all in good good nature. They are both legends, right.
Speaker 1: But Britton always would tell his stories because one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things, like if we're at a jazz game
Speaker 1: and the jazz was by thirty or whatever, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just have fun during post Let's tell let's tell
Speaker 1: me Jered stories. Let's talk about rec right, And almost
Speaker 1: every time we would enter the Majeris landscape of conversation,
Speaker 1: he would talk about how Rick would go at everybody
Speaker 1: sometimes in a very uncomfortable you know, uh level. That
Speaker 1: really made people feel super uncomfortable, as we all know,
Speaker 1: except for Alex, like Alex was and Audrey shit, and
Speaker 1: Audrey too because Andrea was awesome. But there every alum
Speaker 1: that I've interviewed about that team always said Rick just
Speaker 1: had this thing for Alex. And Rick is on the
Speaker 1: record saying he's the smartest player that he ever coached.
Speaker 1: Then obviously when al got in a coach and he
Speaker 1: coached with Rick, but shed some light on that relationship
Speaker 1: as you understand.
Speaker 2: It, Well, I think part of it is, you know,
Speaker 2: Alex was competitive as heck.
Speaker 1: He followed the details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he he's a detailed guy, and you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't any kind of emotion that sent a stinky
Speaker 2: eye to the coach or anything like that. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like I always tell somebody, yeah, well
Speaker 2: he favored Alex, Yeah, because Alex did what he had
Speaker 2: to do. Phil Jackson probably favored Michael Jordan. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't, but uh yeah, it just was somehow,
Speaker 2: and I think it just legend grew on top of it,
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, it's this and it's that.
Speaker 2: But you know the reality is Alex did what he
Speaker 2: was told all the time. And there are other guys
Speaker 2: on the team that they were like Drew Hansen's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite guys that that Alex played with and
Speaker 2: they got along so well and they were very similar. Now,
Speaker 2: if Drew were as good a player as Alex, Drew
Speaker 2: might have been his favorite.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of player play. Well, he did
Speaker 2: speak about roles when he was in the game. No
Speaker 2: fast breaks job, and that's what Alex get when you
Speaker 2: need to talk to me, he says. You know, that's
Speaker 2: why you have to put together your staff. Would what
Speaker 2: roles people are going to play? You know, you got
Speaker 2: to have now pro guys, which his story the world
Speaker 2: is and that's I think it's smart. But you need
Speaker 2: some college guys that know how to get into the
Speaker 2: nil and also understand part of the college game. So
Speaker 2: I think Alex because you know, it's not saying Alex
Speaker 2: that's what we.
Speaker 1: Used to call him sometimes, but that's awesome.
Speaker 2: But you know he's going to take what he has
Speaker 2: some rick and he's a new age kind of coach
Speaker 2: and it's not Rick anymore. It's Alex, right, and that's
Speaker 2: hard for everybody because you know, Rick not only was
Speaker 2: a good coach, he was a national figure, you know,
Speaker 2: and Alex, God bless him, He's probably not gonna be
Speaker 2: a national figure.
Speaker 1: I don't see Alex getting into broadcasting. I'll just say that,
Speaker 1: like Rick took a little little bit of a time
Speaker 1: to do some draft stuff and broadcasting. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: out right, right, he was too detailed for it, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm excited about I'm excited about he's going on.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's gonna be fun to see the
Speaker 2: team grow. And I think they got a chance, you know,
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. Although you know they have been great,
Speaker 2: they're still good. But you know there's some teams that
Speaker 2: Utah's birthright can be more than and they can get
Speaker 2: there if they have the right support.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, oh sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: got you. I was gonna say. You referenced maybe top
Speaker 1: five or six in the lead. Guess what that is.
Speaker 1: That's an NCUA turn it too. You're top five or
Speaker 1: six in the Big twelve, you are dancing, and maybe
Speaker 1: even top seven or eight. But you reference filling out
Speaker 1: the staff, and you've alluded to some of the dynamics
Speaker 1: already so far in the conversation. But let's dig in
Speaker 1: a little deeper. I kind of push back at the
Speaker 1: notion that every seat next to Alex has to be
Speaker 1: filled by former units. It feels like there's some momentum
Speaker 1: that way. And let me just say this, if Andrea
Speaker 1: wants to come, you hire Andre Miller, Yeah, because right
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I'm a gen xer and I
Speaker 1: was in school during those runs. And for me, if
Speaker 1: you walk into a gym with Andrea on your bench,
Speaker 1: that's instant credibility that you can't get in very many places.
Speaker 1: But Alex has been in the pros for almost twenty
Speaker 1: years and Kevin Young own of BYU his entire staff,
Speaker 1: not just coaches, strength and conditioning, administrators, nutrition, they're all
Speaker 1: XMBA people. I think that's kind of the way to go.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a way to go. I think you
Speaker 2: still need some person or two on the staff that
Speaker 2: kind of has been in that recruiting cycle, AAU people
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and you just don't need to
Speaker 2: go next door and get somebody you know, you need
Speaker 2: to really be thoughtful about how you want to put together.
Speaker 2: You have to have a match with them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things you have to have. And
Speaker 2: of course it's going to lean towards the pro model more,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what kids want to do and everything.
Speaker 2: But you need the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh guide
Speaker 2: a team to be good, you know, that's what you
Speaker 2: need to see. You need somebody to understand that, you know.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, you need the pro model with the
Speaker 2: strength coaches and the nutritionists. And they have those folks
Speaker 2: in college, but they don't pay the ton of money,
Speaker 2: you know, in the NBA. So you got somebody that's
Speaker 2: really good as a college nutritionist, but then the other
Speaker 2: person's off the chart, you know, and you know how
Speaker 2: those bodies are you're playing and stuff. So you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's got to be that.
Speaker 2: And I'm repeating myself a little bit, but I think
Speaker 2: there's gotta be a little bit As I look at
Speaker 2: the teams and you put teams together, you got to
Speaker 2: keep some guys that are the Drew Hansson's that are
Speaker 2: going to set the screen do this and maybe more mature.
Speaker 2: They're there for three four years plus, I would help
Speaker 2: the fans more. I think, you know, we all fell
Speaker 2: in love with the guys that played for four years, yep,
Speaker 2: and that was the deal.
Speaker 1: But now, and I always wonder.
Speaker 2: How many of the one and Don's are at the
Speaker 2: Promised Land at the final four?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, how many?
Speaker 2: How many of those guys I mean, Cooper will but
Speaker 2: how many guys have brought them to the Promised.
Speaker 1: Land outside of the unicorns? You're right, Cooper Mellow Syracuse.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back and look at it,
Speaker 1: most of these teams are veteran teams that have had
Speaker 1: players there that understand the system. Your point is well taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they need those You can't win an the
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament now, guys that are either going to be
Speaker 2: pro next year or not. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't pick the ideal thing. But some guys would stay
Speaker 2: you know, some guy it's late second round or may
Speaker 2: stay in because of the nil stuff. So that's why
Speaker 2: you got to know all that general manager stuff, all
Speaker 2: those agent stuff, you know, and you got to put
Speaker 2: it together. It's a business, it is, yes, you got
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: So tell me this. We're we're a good basketball state.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of talent at the
Speaker 1: high school level. And I'm not over. I don't do
Speaker 1: a ton of high school football bat I'm busy, in fact,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to dig in all of it.
Speaker 1: But people that cover these things in a day to
Speaker 1: day in a way that I don't say that. You know,
Speaker 1: the junior and senior class in state's pretty good. And
Speaker 1: Josh Grant joined the show a few weeks ago and
Speaker 1: talked about needing somebody on the staff that understands the
Speaker 1: state and needing somebody on the staff that understands how
Speaker 1: to recruit Utah. Now I apologize once again to go
Speaker 1: back into well, Rick did this, Rick did that. But
Speaker 1: Rick was able to go get van Horn, he was
Speaker 1: able to get Andre, he was able to get Hano,
Speaker 1: he was able to get both. It was a Rick
Speaker 1: recruit that Ray coached. And to your point, more often
Speaker 1: than not, when you look at teams and not just
Speaker 1: make the NCBA Tournament, but go on runs to the
Speaker 1: final four, at least two or three NBA guys and
Speaker 1: at least one or two European guys, it's usually three
Speaker 1: or four pros. So talk about that balance. Where do
Speaker 1: you believe that Alex, who is a local kid from Umont,
Speaker 1: understands the state. Does he need to add more local
Speaker 1: flavor to the bench to recruit Utah or is this
Speaker 1: more of a priority to follow the pattern where you
Speaker 1: find an andre and Compton or you go over season
Speaker 1: and get a medal U right, I mean tell me
Speaker 1: your thoughts.
Speaker 2: One, well, you know, okay, I'm being introduced as the
Speaker 2: ad as a coach in any state in the country.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go for the local kids first. I'm
Speaker 2: going to go for the local Well, you have to,
Speaker 2: you know, and if you hit the lottery on somebody
Speaker 2: that's great, like Josh or Britain, you know they're your one,
Speaker 2: two and three, right then you also have to look
Speaker 2: at the other guys that are good players. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, this place is that weird
Speaker 2: where you can't learn for sure about the community. We
Speaker 2: learn how to go in and talk to the coach
Speaker 2: out to high school or tim few. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to make it sound like
Speaker 2: Josh and I could have this discussion because I kind
Speaker 2: of agree with him, But that's not the end of
Speaker 2: the day. For me, you got somebody that's really sharp,
Speaker 2: that wants to be in this community, learns doesn't have
Speaker 2: the ego in the way you know, they can learn
Speaker 2: pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I used to say that with football,
Speaker 2: Well he's from you know, Lower East LA. And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: he's going to go into a college school. He doesn't
Speaker 2: know the people there. It's another place, right, So you don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be wishy washy about it, but
Speaker 2: I'd love to have Josh right here and have the
Speaker 2: debate with him, because you need the best players in
Speaker 2: the state period. Anybody can help get them. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I tend to agree.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I think coach Waite has
Speaker 1: talked about oftentimes wanting diversity on his staff, not just
Speaker 1: simply Utah. And there's a lot of Utah people on
Speaker 1: coach with staff, but he also has coaches that have
Speaker 1: coached in other state. It's a bigger program, so maybe
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a parallel there. What do
Speaker 1: you You've already alluded to what you think could happen
Speaker 1: next year, and this is impossible to know. I just
Speaker 1: expectations are the result of misery for sports fans all
Speaker 1: the time. Right, you've tough football this year, Vegas favorite
Speaker 1: Big twelve chant rough season. Everybody's miserable. So you've done this,
Speaker 1: You've did it for a long time. On the administrative side,
Speaker 1: when you hire a new coach, what do you expect
Speaker 1: from them right out of the gates? What's a reasonable
Speaker 1: expectation next year?
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on where your program is, but you
Speaker 2: know you want to coach first of all the expectations
Speaker 2: next year in this day and age, let's talk in September.
Speaker 1: Sure, who's on my team one hundred.
Speaker 2: Per se But when you go look at Alex's team,
Speaker 2: do they have a game plan? Can you tell is
Speaker 2: the worst shooter on the other team the one that's open?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's February and team's not doing great. But is
Speaker 2: everybody working hard?
Speaker 1: You know? Is everybody getting after? Is everybody unselfish? You know?
Speaker 2: So there's parameters that you can say after the first year,
Speaker 2: did the play team play together?
Speaker 1: Did they play hard? You know?
Speaker 2: Do they know their roles? All those things? You'll know
Speaker 2: even if the players aren't as good, and you'll know
Speaker 2: that they know what they're doing, how they when they're
Speaker 2: on the court, are they, you know, moaning about the
Speaker 2: referee or are they just getting after it? You know,
Speaker 2: all those things need to be set up and then
Speaker 2: you do what they're told. You know, they don't shrug
Speaker 2: their shoulders and that sounds like old school, but it's
Speaker 2: not all school. People want to be coached and they
Speaker 2: want to get better. And so my my thing, if
Speaker 2: I were to look at it, depending on who's on
Speaker 2: his team, I think long term, I think I know
Speaker 2: where it can be. But it just depends if you
Speaker 2: just want to a now, are they playing right? Are
Speaker 2: they playing all the things I just said? You know,
Speaker 2: are they being talked? Are they better? Now?
Speaker 1: Here's the one.
Speaker 2: Are they better in March than they were in November?
Speaker 1: Trending up? Then you know he can coach him up.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more thing here and then
Speaker 1: we'll move on and take a break, because I do
Speaker 1: have some football questions for his springball on the hill
Speaker 1: about to get going for the utes. Alex is a
Speaker 1: introspective guy. I don't know that he's an introvert per se,
Speaker 1: but he's not like he's not gonna do He's not
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear Alex do what Jim Boylan did
Speaker 1: at halftime of football games and try to, you know,
Speaker 1: motive like pump up the crowd. And Jim had a
Speaker 1: lot of energy in a way that Alex just doesn't.
Speaker 1: And Craig was a little front facing with his energetic
Speaker 1: approach in a way that Alex isn't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a good or bad thing. It's just who he is.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna have to be a little bit more
Speaker 1: willing to put himself out there in more of a
Speaker 1: front facing manner in order to recruit or just be
Speaker 1: who you are, period, end of story.
Speaker 2: He can't fake it, right, you know, because kids, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's more critical than not critical, more observant
Speaker 2: can read through you than an eighteen year old. He'll
Speaker 2: get out going enough, but he's the kind of guy
Speaker 2: that when there's five people in a room.
Speaker 1: He's outgoing, dry sense of humor, yeah, yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole bit.
Speaker 2: So when you're recruiting, you got to do that. But
Speaker 2: you know, he is who he is, and he's going
Speaker 2: to do that. And he's if I'm a parent and
Speaker 2: I sound too high on him, but you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's going to bring it together and the kid, and
Speaker 2: he's got that cachet.
Speaker 1: He does. Yeah, and if you want the front facing personality,
Speaker 1: you go to his better half. Natalie will provide that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah. She's an actress, Yes she is.
Speaker 1: And she's a delight. She's lovely. I really love them both.
Speaker 1: So Doctor Hill Live and Studio, we're going to catch
Speaker 1: a quick break. Springball Up on the Hill starts this week.
Speaker 1: The spring game, the Forever twenty two game is still
Speaker 1: on the schedule. How long will that last? We'll talk
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Speaker 1: up with doctor Chris Hill Liven Studio on a Tuesday
Speaker 1: right here on ESPN seven hundred, Doctor Chris Hill Live
Speaker 1: in studio for another big segment on this snowy, cold
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. You guys thought you were out of it,
Speaker 1: didn't you. You thought spring was here, didn't you. Well,
Speaker 1: marching Utah if you're new around these parts, oftentimes will
Speaker 1: bring exactly what it brought over the past twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: and then it's going to be seventy next week. That's
Speaker 1: just how we roll, all right. Last segment, a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation about Alex Jensen officially announced as the seventeenth
Speaker 1: head coach in Utah men's basketball history. Spring football yeah,
Speaker 1: doctor Hill from the spring Yeah, go ahead, right, I
Speaker 1: look outside, Spring is here from an athletic director's standpoint,
Speaker 1: spring football spin the beanie at all gets you excited?
Speaker 1: It all like, ultimately, what what are the boxes you
Speaker 1: want check during springball?
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of the spring game, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean if spring is to find out
Speaker 2: who your players are and this and that, and you
Speaker 2: kind of feel like, well you need to. You feel
Speaker 2: like you need to give the fans something, you know,
Speaker 2: to keep them interested. But it's different now. Football is
Speaker 2: interesting all year long. And I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: blame any coaches if they you know, they don't play
Speaker 2: anybody there. It's you know, it's not like you leave
Speaker 2: the games that o'minta by season tickets now that I've right,
Speaker 2: right right, you know. So it's kind of like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's just not something excites me.
Speaker 1: Never did. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 2: For me, I hear around the country and I'm starting
Speaker 2: to think, yeah, maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean selfishly, because we all just want to
Speaker 1: do what's best for our own day to day existence.
Speaker 1: Springball has always just been kind of a fun content thing. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you know for us self serving media, right right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where we are. You know, ultimately, we want something
Speaker 1: fun to talk about on air, and I think for
Speaker 1: fans it's kind of fun because there are so many
Speaker 1: people and probably more people in our market more than ever,
Speaker 1: that just love college football so much that they just
Speaker 1: want that little fix to remind them, hey, just wait,
Speaker 1: it's on its way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I put on my hat
Speaker 2: of being you know, more business and thinking about it
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, you realize, yeah, fans like it.
Speaker 2: You got to respond to the fans. You can't just
Speaker 2: do that. And I think for fans, I've seen people
Speaker 2: tailgate now and they do all those things, and that makes.
Speaker 1: A big time football program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of makes you in flect your muscles
Speaker 2: and say, hey, yeah, we've got a lot of people
Speaker 2: are spring game and da da da dah.
Speaker 1: But I also feel, you know, like it. It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough, but fans like it, so why not? I
Speaker 1: guess yeah. And you know, I'm looking at this real
Speaker 1: quick because a topic just kind of turn on in
Speaker 1: my brain that I wanted to talk to about that
Speaker 1: I forgod, because we're obviously in the midst of March
Speaker 1: madness in college basketball, and alex announced yesterday, and Utah
Speaker 1: has clearly moved into a space where for a long
Speaker 1: time it has been labeled as a football school. Right,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to be one of the other
Speaker 1: Doctor Hill Right. So number one overall seed in the
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament is Offurn, Okay, Tennessee is two seed, Florida
Speaker 1: is a one seed. They might go win the entire thing.
Speaker 1: I could keep going. Bama has a great program this year.
Speaker 1: Georgia has a top ten seed. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a grip of schools that have been able to capture both,
Speaker 1: which of course should be the goal. What are the
Speaker 1: challenges from an administration standpoint? You don't want to label
Speaker 1: yourself one of the other you no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: And we had it for a while off and that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had pretty good years. We both did well, for sure.
Speaker 2: I Mean the classic is bo getting alex Man number
Speaker 2: one picks. Yeah, but you know you need to have
Speaker 2: them both. You can do them both, but there are
Speaker 2: some that can't. I mean, I think they just get there.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the things about the job here
Speaker 2: is when somebody takes the basketball job. They go, well,
Speaker 2: they've done it before, so maybe we can do it again.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to be one of the other.
Speaker 2: What's funny better ad if if you have a basketball background,
Speaker 2: the football coach can always say yeah, but he's a
Speaker 2: basketball guy, right right right, and that's like their card
Speaker 2: that they can stick it to you, and the same
Speaker 2: the other way around. Basketball guy, he's a football guy.
Speaker 2: You don't understand, you want to say, you're wait.
Speaker 1: I understand that a full stadium makes me a lot smarter.
Speaker 2: I'm a self serving standpoint.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna want that program to do well. But you
Speaker 1: can be both. You don't have to be where.
Speaker 2: There's no reason. There's no reason why you can't. We've
Speaker 2: been there before, We'll be there again. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean that's just the way it is. And it's
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm bullish on you know, the university's potential
Speaker 2: where we live only going to get better, you know,
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't see why we can.
Speaker 1: You know, we have.
Speaker 2: You know, we for a while with football was like
Speaker 2: nobody invested, you know, nobody did that. But now our
Speaker 2: high school football is really good. It is, it's it
Speaker 2: wasn't that way, you know, nineteen ninety ninety five it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But now it's it's really good. Yeah, and basketball has
Speaker 2: always got some and you only need a few from
Speaker 2: the state, right and then you build like we just
Speaker 2: talked a half hour ago, you know, so I think
Speaker 2: Utah can be good at both certain questions.
Speaker 1: A couple couple of things here on the basketball side
Speaker 1: before we get back to a spring football question that
Speaker 1: I have because news came down about two weeks ago
Speaker 1: that it looks like the John M. Huntsman Center is
Speaker 1: going to get a little facelift, and your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's it's kind of needed
Speaker 1: and has been for a little while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's needed, it's needed, and you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I've read about the plan and talk to
Speaker 2: some people and maybe you know, they're going to build
Speaker 2: things there that could actually provide a profit to maybe
Speaker 2: help pay for something you know, you really became. You know,
Speaker 2: I think the legislature would like that if they put
Speaker 2: things in there that would you know, help pay for it.
Speaker 2: Never and then they got to cross that line between
Speaker 2: are your charity or not? But you know, hard for
Speaker 2: me hard for people that you know, I've walked through
Speaker 2: that door into my office a lot more even before that.
Speaker 2: But it's really nice when you sit inside. But the
Speaker 2: rest is, we always thought we need to do something.
Speaker 2: We felt we needed to just take all the athletic offices,
Speaker 2: build an athletic office complex. Wouldn't have to be big
Speaker 2: for all the other coaches and all the ministries off
Speaker 2: and it has got the thing and get the concourses whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's too big. It's too big. I don't care
Speaker 1: what people say.
Speaker 2: It's too big, right, yeah, and there there there Why
Speaker 2: use a different story, for sure, the different story for sure.
Speaker 1: And I never worked there the way you did. But
Speaker 1: yesterday I did my show there prior to the presser.
Speaker 1: And even when I walk in that billary, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this place is really cool.
Speaker 2: Oh there's so much history there. Oh it's it's so
Speaker 2: much history. It's a beautiful place. Locations great, and it
Speaker 2: just there's a lot of history there. And I have
Speaker 2: a lot of good memories, you know, of games that
Speaker 2: were there, and Joshua is one of them, one of
Speaker 2: the plays I remember the most. But he there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun memories. It's it's got a lot of
Speaker 2: great history. I'm repeating myself, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: life goes on. You know, you want to do it's
Speaker 2: best for the programming, you want to do it's best
Speaker 2: for the fans, and it needs either a big time
Speaker 2: remodel or whatever needs to be built all over again,
Speaker 2: you know, which is seems like a be a little
Speaker 2: waist down the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and well obviously a lot of steps still
Speaker 1: need to be taken before there's a shovel in the dirt.
Speaker 1: But we'll see how it transfers, you know, to kind
Speaker 1: of unfold. Let me let me ask you this, and
Speaker 1: I've asked a lot of my guests this over the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. I'm I'm not a huge like
Speaker 1: you've got to win the day guy, Like you got
Speaker 1: to win the press conference guy. When you hire a coach,
Speaker 1: Like if you have not seen Nick Sirianni's introductory press
Speaker 1: conference when he was hired as the coach of the Eagles,
Speaker 1: go watch it. And when I saw him, like, can
Speaker 1: this dude even formulate a sentence? And they just won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, right, But I felt like with Alex
Speaker 1: it was a win the press conference dynamic and a
Speaker 1: needed one at that after the new came down that
Speaker 1: they were moving on from Craig and a team that
Speaker 1: was actually better than people expected them to be this year,
Speaker 1: which is kind of lost in the narrative. But I
Speaker 1: wonder if, because for me, wherever you're at in the ecosystem,
Speaker 1: if you're a former athletic director like doctor Chris Hill,
Speaker 1: if you're a former player like Josh Granta Britton Johnson,
Speaker 1: if you're in the current administration, or if you cover
Speaker 1: the team like I do, I feel like this hire
Speaker 1: of Alex has just been consistently applauded by everybody. Yes,
Speaker 1: is that kind of the feel you get? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's you know if yeah, sure, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's just the way he's some buzz and it's
Speaker 2: attracting the buzz and you know he uh and it
Speaker 2: wasn't a press conference it would do it. It's just
Speaker 2: who he is and what you do and sure know
Speaker 2: who knows. But so yeah, it's it helps the buzz,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Now, you got to play, right, right,
Speaker 2: that's the greatest marketer going.
Speaker 1: Who's kid new? You got to play? But we need
Speaker 1: people in those seats. I mean I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that Kyle has Coach Wit has in his
Speaker 1: back pocket is on a Saturday night. Well, I was
Speaker 1: about to say, when USC is in town, Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cry. But on a Saturday night, when Kansas State
Speaker 1: is in town or whatever, not the same. But on
Speaker 1: a Saturday night, let's say b Yu's in town. It's
Speaker 1: a rival game in Slake. You're a high school player,
Speaker 1: you're a running back at East time, and Coach Wit says,
Speaker 1: come here, stand on the sideline. Look at that crowd,
Speaker 1: look at the musk, look at this. Don't you want
Speaker 1: to play here? It's hard to say no, because rice
Speaker 1: ecles these days. For the past number of years has
Speaker 1: been a tremendous environment, and it's been a while since
Speaker 1: the Huntsman felt the way it did when he was ticking.
Speaker 1: So how do we get people in the stands in
Speaker 1: order to help Alex recruit players players want to play
Speaker 1: in front of in front of fans, doctoril they just yeah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: First of all, Lavelle Edwards, one of his things he said,
Speaker 2: is one of the great best things I did is
Speaker 2: I made Saturdays important in Provo, and you know called
Speaker 2: me that I left as a pretty smart guy. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be too cynical, but I will
Speaker 2: be because you know that's the deal. Rose Post didn't
Speaker 2: hurt for sure, Urban didn't hurt for sure, Rick didn't hurt, right,
Speaker 2: and you know you got to win, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I mean the marketing we started to spend
Speaker 2: hardly any money on football when I left marketing, didn't
Speaker 2: have to do a thing, you know, And yeah you can't.
Speaker 1: Not everybody can win.
Speaker 2: Buts like went to a meeting one time on a
Speaker 2: Sunday with some presidents universities are running. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: it's Saturday in football every because against The problem is
Speaker 2: half of you lost and half of you won, and
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of you were supposed to win, you know.
Speaker 2: So I mean they can do things, they can get
Speaker 2: it excited. But you know, did you see Oklahoma state
Speaker 2: stands this year?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Nobody there, yep, five years ago, no fact. And I
Speaker 2: don't I don't want it to Well, that's you asked
Speaker 2: me a question. Here's what I think. Okay, I think
Speaker 2: if you win, yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you don't win, you know, they're not fair
Speaker 2: weather fans. That's everybody for She don't want to go
Speaker 2: to the game and not be able to say that's
Speaker 2: my team and look how well we did.
Speaker 1: And yeay me, yeah, you know, no, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: not wrong. I hear you. All right, let's shift back
Speaker 1: to a couple of more football things for us that
Speaker 1: you lose. So I referenced the Forever twenty two game,
Speaker 1: the Utah spring game. It's coming up. You can get
Speaker 1: tickets online, check it out for sure, but at last check,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to get all of them right,
Speaker 1: but USC, Nebraska, Florida State, like some of the biggest
Speaker 1: big dogs in college football are just like, we're not
Speaker 1: doing the spring game anymore. As you referenced earlier, the
Speaker 1: last I don't know, six seven or eight years or whatever.
Speaker 1: Most of the ones and the twos don't get a
Speaker 1: lot of run. Some of them do, but mostly these
Speaker 1: are walk on young players just to kind of show
Speaker 1: the fans, hey, we're here. This is fun. But we
Speaker 1: can't have our starting quarterback, as we've learned in Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: so let's put them on ice. Before I get to
Speaker 1: Dion's idea, which I think is actually pretty good. Do
Speaker 1: you think this trend of spring ball, not spring ball
Speaker 1: going away, But do you think the trend of the
Speaker 1: spring game going away is something that could permeate throughout
Speaker 1: the entire country.
Speaker 2: There's a good possibility. I mean, you know, think about
Speaker 2: what we talked a while ago. There is the fan factor,
Speaker 2: you know, saying, hey, I have a responsibility as the
Speaker 2: athletic director and the people they love football to give
Speaker 2: them something to you know, have a group hug in
Speaker 2: the spring. And you know that's important from a very
Speaker 2: practical standpoint. There's really no upside from the actual coaching
Speaker 2: of the game. They'd rather have a regular practice if
Speaker 2: you're just worried about the coach of the game.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how many are going to keep
Speaker 2: doing it. They got to do something in spring. But
Speaker 2: what it would become the spring games, it's going to
Speaker 2: an event that's exciting is what the fans want. They're
Speaker 2: not going to the game anymore than you know, fans
Speaker 2: that really know, you know, what's that new guy like
Speaker 2: and what's just like? They really just want to have
Speaker 2: get together and watch football. Yeah yeah, yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I should reference the forever twenty two game will be
Speaker 1: on April the nineteenth at one o'clock PM, and tickets
Speaker 1: can be found at Utah tickets dot com. Ten bucks
Speaker 1: for a bleacher seat, twenty two for a chair back,
Speaker 1: and fifty bucks for a premium seat. Utah will have
Speaker 1: fifteen spring practices and that gets rolling this week. So
Speaker 1: let's let's move over here for a minute, because look,
Speaker 1: it's not a reality now, but I do think at
Speaker 1: some point over the next I don't know, three to
Speaker 1: five years, the FCSFBS games will go away. The smaller
Speaker 1: schools who come up here for the paycheck and the
Speaker 1: kids get their heads kicked in before they go back
Speaker 1: down to Southern Utah or whatever. Those things are going
Speaker 1: to go away once college football settles into the landscape
Speaker 1: of whatever it's going to be. Right. We talk a
Speaker 1: lot about the NFL mob with afcnc IS at SEC
Speaker 1: Big ten. They're already holding meetings without everybody else, right,
Speaker 1: and so we're moving in that direction. Dion's idea for
Speaker 1: Colorado spring game is to kind of do what they
Speaker 1: do in the NFL when you have like the two
Speaker 1: a day practices with the Patriots and the Jets or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then they scrimmage at the end of the two
Speaker 1: a day practices after like three or four games. And
Speaker 1: his idea is to supplement the financial needs of some
Speaker 1: of these smaller schools, to have them come to Boulder
Speaker 1: practice against Colorado, and then have a game where fans
Speaker 1: can attend, where you scrimmage those teams. I actually think
Speaker 1: there's something here. I think it's kind of a decent
Speaker 1: idea from Dian. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yea, this is the first I've heard of it, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me flip a coin and tell you what
Speaker 2: I feel. No, I think that there's, like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm repeating, there's some attitude towards that. I'm really glad
Speaker 2: that he that they would pay those schools because that
Speaker 2: they need that money for sure, and it's only fair,
Speaker 2: and well who cares about fairness now, I guess. But
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of like the thought of that
Speaker 2: because it's different, and you don't have to play your
Speaker 2: top line players either, but it kind of gives you
Speaker 2: a little shot at it. And and because what you're
Speaker 2: saying is the f C yes are not going to
Speaker 2: be playing big time schools for paychecks.
Speaker 1: You's thinking to fall anymore? I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think once this new super league actually comes into reality,
Speaker 1: they're just going to play each other. It's going to
Speaker 1: be like the NFL. Yeah, it's going to be like
Speaker 1: the NFL.
Speaker 2: And college are a little different because it you know,
Speaker 2: good old State U you used to be intended to
Speaker 2: right and you know six and six six.
Speaker 1: And six could get you into the playoffs and go
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl in the NFL with six losses. Though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think, doctor Hill, this is just
Speaker 1: my opinion. College football is starting to be run like
Speaker 1: a hedge fund. It's starting to be run by private
Speaker 1: act like private equity businesses, where the bottom line is
Speaker 1: the bottom line, and powerful TV executives are saying to them,
Speaker 1: no more Alabama mercer. Okay, I want brand names every
Speaker 1: single weekend. And therefore the Utah against Southern Utah dynamic
Speaker 1: I think is going to go away.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I used to say to his staff
Speaker 2: when something came up like that, I you know, say
Speaker 2: something that would be so obvious, nothing personal.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I would say, I have a great grasp the obvious spence,
Speaker 2: you have a great grassy obvious.
Speaker 1: It's going to be it's a pro deal. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't go that way, I'll be shocked, right,
Speaker 2: And that's the way, you know, that's the way it's
Speaker 2: going to go, and you just have to accept it
Speaker 2: and plan from there, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so what's the deal? What are we going to do
Speaker 2: with this type of thing? And I think that's just
Speaker 2: thinking about it. I think that's probably a pretty good
Speaker 2: idea to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean live TV rights or that's what is
Speaker 1: bank rolling sports now. Yeah, you know the TV contracts.
Speaker 1: Like I think the NBA has a massive issue with
Speaker 1: their star players not wanting to play basketball, which is
Speaker 1: their job description. But they're about to enter a new
Speaker 1: seventy to billion dollar TV deal, so they'll say to me,
Speaker 1: what's the problem. What problem do I have? Exactly? Oh,
Speaker 1: you're mad that Luca didn't play tonight. Guess what, we
Speaker 1: just signed a seventy two billion dollar TV deal, and
Speaker 1: I feel like college sports is moving to that reality.
Speaker 1: Oh you're mad that Southern Utah isn't coming up for
Speaker 1: their paycheck. Okay, we'll look at this TV deal we
Speaker 1: just signed because we don't have to televise that game anymore, right,
Speaker 1: which sucks. I'm with you, like I guess what's fair
Speaker 1: anymore is out the window. But part of me has
Speaker 1: always loved working in sports because there is an altruism
Speaker 1: to it where you don't want to just be in
Speaker 1: an ecosystem that's motivated only by the almighty dollar. There
Speaker 1: are plenty of jobs that only do that, doctor Hill.
Speaker 1: It's why I wanted to do this, you know, not
Speaker 1: to be in that kind of existence day to day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I agree that it's going to be like
Speaker 2: the pro model. It's going to be more and more exciting,
Speaker 2: you know, college good Bye to Alex. Alex told me
Speaker 2: so I understand the deal now that football is the
Speaker 2: big deal, sure, you know. And just so college can
Speaker 2: grow and grow and grow within just an infrastructure of
Speaker 2: thirty or forty school TV contracts will be bigger, yep.
Speaker 2: And they'll be shared with fewer people and maybe everybody
Speaker 2: else will run maybe what they heart says they used
Speaker 2: to do, you know. And so I fully agree that
Speaker 2: it's going to be the big time is going to
Speaker 2: be narrowed down, big time.
Speaker 1: Last thing that I'll set you loose so you can
Speaker 1: get back out. Oh my gosh, it's snowing again, nuts sticking,
Speaker 1: So drive safe out there. I have not spoken with you,
Speaker 1: and I didn't cover the whole like is Kyle coming
Speaker 1: back or is he not? Intensely, because Kyle's under contract
Speaker 1: and he's just a coach that is still currently employed,
Speaker 1: and I just figured he'd come back. But it was
Speaker 1: enough of a story that they did release a statement.
Speaker 1: This is essentially saying coach Wait is back for another year.
Speaker 1: So I haven't talked to you since that announcement. I
Speaker 1: just wonder what your reaction was.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, not surprised, And you know, I feel
Speaker 2: for a little sympathy towards coaches are at that situation
Speaker 2: where you know, how you're not going to ask that question, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was in that position, and I
Speaker 2: first thing I'd say is I understand you have to
Speaker 2: ask that question, but I'm not ready to give you
Speaker 2: an answer, you know. And so Kyle wasn't being cute.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: If he knew he'd do it, that's who he is, sure,
Speaker 2: you know. So if he knew he wanted to leave,
Speaker 2: he'd leave. He knew his day. But it's confusing, and
Speaker 2: you know, and it's you know, college sports is a drug.
Speaker 2: You know, you love it and you get addicted to it.
Speaker 2: And you know for him, you know, now everybody said, oh,
Speaker 2: he's done, next.
Speaker 1: Year's done next year.
Speaker 2: I don't know who knows, right, he has the right
Speaker 2: to do it what he wants to do. And you
Speaker 2: know somebody has a theory. Well, he wanted to end
Speaker 2: with a good, winning season. He wanted to you know
Speaker 2: who knows he knows? I always doctor Hill. I always
Speaker 2: go back to Greg Popovich who said in two thousand
Speaker 2: and ten.
Speaker 1: Or something, he pointed at Tim Duncan because somebody asked
Speaker 1: him during the practice, Hey, how long are you to
Speaker 1: do this? He pointed Duncan and he said, when he's done,
Speaker 1: I'm done. Then Duncan retired, and that offseason he signed
Speaker 1: a new five year extension. Right, and then during pre
Speaker 1: season media they said, you told us that you were
Speaker 1: done when Tim was gonna retire, and Tim is retired,
Speaker 1: but you signed a new extension. And he said, they
Speaker 1: pay me pretty well, and I still enjoy doing this,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna keep doing it. End of story, right,
Speaker 1: It is that simple, end of story. Well, just coach
Speaker 1: as long as you can coach and tell somebody.
Speaker 2: Like anybody else. Your enthusiastic about what you do, you
Speaker 2: like what you show. You come here. It's not work right,
Speaker 2: and you know why not if you feel it. That's
Speaker 2: the thing. If you can add up the whole yellow notepad,
Speaker 2: pluses and minus and pluses, and at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, it's the biggest decision you'll make except family things.
Speaker 1: And you didn't get America.
Speaker 2: Your wife had a you know, health test, or she
Speaker 2: has good teeth, she's healthy, or this and that you
Speaker 2: fell in love. Well, a job like that. You know
Speaker 2: they're passionate and you can't add it up plus or minus.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to put it like Papavitch. That's a
Speaker 2: great example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. Yeah, they takes me a lot
Speaker 1: of money. What did I tell you? How am I
Speaker 1: going to make ten million year doing something? Okay, you
Speaker 1: do your thing. Man, Hey, always great to see you.
Speaker 1: That's good to see you. Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. And drive safe out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not a good driver.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm wondering a few guys that admits they're not
Speaker 2: a good driver. Okay, well, so yeah it is, uh
Speaker 2: it is. Harry we thought we were out of out
Speaker 2: of the snow, and Utah reminded us.
Speaker 1: Great to see us so careful. Thank you doctor Chris Hill.
Speaker 1: Always great to see him live in studio for an
Speaker 1: hour before we catch a break. Let's welcome our guy
Speaker 1: dug in from Farmer and Chemist on a snowy Tuesday afternoon. Doug,
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, sir, how are you Spence?
Speaker 3: Happy Tuesday to you as well, Happy snowy Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, I gotta say I woke up
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Speaker 1: How can we do that at Farmer and Chemist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Farmer and Chemist's problem solved is a topical kind
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Speaker 1: All right, Doug, before I set you loose, let's help
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Speaker 1: Doug, thank you sir for the time. Be safe out
Speaker 1: there and we'll chat soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Have a great day, all right.
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