WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.480 Always excited when we have the opportunity to do what 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:05.559 we're about to do for the next hour, even though 3 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:09.359 it is snowy and it is cold. Doctor Chris Hill 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.400 made a sojourn downtown here in our studios. Doctor Hill, 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:15.519 did you have to shovel this morning? This was quite 6 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:16.679 a snowstorm. Yeah I did. 7 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:18.359 I don't know where the guy went that was supposed 8 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:18.719 to help. 9 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:21.559 Was like, it was heavy. 10 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.440 So that was almost my exercise for the day for sure, 11 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.079 for sure, But boy, not much, not much. 12 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.960 Yeah, yeah, he it wet, heavy snow. Luckily, my son 13 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.200 is in town and so I woke up. I said, Pal, 14 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:37.640 get out of bed. The shovel's right there, do your thing. 15 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:39.679 So he was able to help me out, which is good. 16 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:41.520 But it is wild. I mean, if you've lived in 17 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.280 Utah for longer than a couple of years, you know 18 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.479 March can bring a lot of different weather patterns for sure. 19 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:47.759 That's fun. Good to see you, my friend. Thanks so 20 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.920 much for the time and a perfect time to have 21 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.359 you in. Alex Jensen officially announced as the seventeenth head 22 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.560 coach in Utah men's basketball history. I have not had 23 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.719 a chance to discuss this with you, so what do 24 00:00:58.719 --> 00:00:59.280 you have to say. 25 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:01.439 Well, you know, I wanted him to have his press 26 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.759 conference and not talk about it as all that stuff 27 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.959 because but it's been fun for me because I'm excited 28 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.959 about it. And as I mentioned off air, he called me, 29 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.400 you know, on a Saturday before and we talked for 30 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.280 a long time. Then talked about our families and everything. 31 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.040 That group of you know, they weren't just good in 32 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.400 the nineties. Rick didn't travel with the team, so guys 33 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.400 like me got to know the guys and it was 34 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.760 really fun, you know. So we had a nice conversation 35 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.079 about a lot of things. I was happy that he 36 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.640 wanted the job, you know, but again, when you care 37 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.120 about somebody, you don't want to tell him take it 38 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.359 or do this or do that. But he was any smart, 39 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.719 he kind of We talked about stuff he knows. I mean, 40 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.200 the world has changed. He knows that, you know, and 41 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.040 he's watched it from both ends now and you know, 42 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:48.920 he's got to find he knows, he's got to find 43 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.120 some guys that or a general manager, you know, that's 44 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.239 paid well, that doesn't want to be a coach, that 45 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.599 knows how to deal with agents and all that stuff. Yeah, 46 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.000 and that person as opposed to the NBA needs to 47 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:03.359 report to that coach. 48 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:05.319 You know, in the NBA, I. 49 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.840 Feel sorry for the coach here because you know, the 50 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.879 GMS aren't helping him win games. 51 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.199 I don't know if that's a secret in town or not, 52 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.759 but they're fifteen and they're like fifteen and said it's 53 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.319 not a secret, doctor, Oh. 54 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.199 Really, Oh my gosh. I thought they were just having 55 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.520 a bad luck. I streak, you know, fifteen and fifty four. 56 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:25.919 I think the fan base gets. 57 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:29.120 It by now. Yeah, so you do. There's an example. 58 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:31.360 You want to make sure the GM goes to the 59 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.400 head coach and you know he'll put together good staff 60 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.159 and you know, I mean I used to say in 61 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.919 the AD UCLA said to me, John wouldn't ain't walking 62 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.319 through the door, and Rick Magerias ain't walking through the door. 63 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:45.159 So let's get over it. Yeah. 64 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.759 Rick kind of ruined it for everybody, you know, because 65 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:49.520 I mean, if you add up the wins he had 66 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.280 in the NCA tournament, you could have like four states 67 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.240 together and they wouldn't match up with it. I mean, 68 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.879 he just won games. Yes it did, and so you know, 69 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:58.840 and he was a savant at his time. 70 00:02:58.960 --> 00:02:59.719 But you know. 71 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.520 I mean, I mean, it doesn't mean you lower expectations, 72 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:03.800 but you have to look well you do. 73 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.039 I mean, you can't expect that to happen. You hope 74 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.639 for it, but to expect it is just unfair to Alex. Yeah. Yeah, 75 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:12.280 I mean I expect him to do well. 76 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.879 I think they'll get kind of in the top five 77 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.479 or six of the league and kind of that may 78 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.120 be their birthright, you know, and they can do that. Yeah, 79 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.240 But I'm just excited for him, his family. You know, 80 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:29.000 it's just different because he's kind of not a star 81 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:30.759 in front of the media. I mean, he's a good 82 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.520 guy and all that. He also he's a family guy. 83 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:35.400 One of the things he's concerned about is, boy, you 84 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.319 come back to Utah, you're head coach, and I want 85 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.840 to watch my daughter play soccer. And thirty two thousand 86 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.280 people are coming up talking to him, right, And how 87 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.240 do I get Dallas. 88 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.759 I got to sit there and nobody knew. 89 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:51.199 But if you you know, you want to move up 90 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.560 the food chain, that's the way it goes. But you know, 91 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.280 I told him, you got to learn how to have 92 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.879 polite leaving behavior. So you can say a lot of 93 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.680 me because he's I said, Alex, you could be there 94 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:04.319 all day talking to people because you're so nice. 95 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.000 He's that nice guy out. Yeah, so you got to 96 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.000 figure out how to be nice. 97 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.039 But at the same time, they get the message that, oh, 98 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.319 Alex wants to watch his daughter play, right, you know, 99 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.039 gotta have So that's an interesting thing for him. But 100 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.000 you know, and his his mom's still here, and he 101 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:19.759 said she goes to jazz games and stuff, so it 102 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:21.759 would be great to see her there for sure, you know. 103 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.720 So it's it's fun. I think he's really smart, he's 104 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.639 really tough. Uh, he's today's coach. I think you know, 105 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:32.720 he understands that you just can't treat kids like you 106 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:36.160 did twenty five years ago. Yeah, you know they you know, 107 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.399 a little Johnny. If he doesn't like his team, his 108 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.680 dad just puts him on another one in you so 109 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:42.879 you know, it's like, you want me to play defense, 110 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:43.560 are you kidd me? 111 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:44.519 So? 112 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.399 But I think Alex will put it together. He's learned 113 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.839 a lot from Rick. And I'm not just talking excess 114 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.160 his nose. I learned a lot from Rick, you know 115 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:57.040 about running what I did amazing. It's so there was 116 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:58.800 things to apply for sure. 117 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:07.000 I mean Rick was a very intelligent, conflicted, brilliant, maniacal person, 118 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.160 you know, for better or for worse. And it was 119 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.360 it was interesting listening to Alex talk about and Josh 120 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.319 Grant has said this as well, that Rick ruined the 121 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.879 game of basketball for him because and when you hear 122 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.199 that sentence, you're like, well, that can't be a good thing. 123 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.360 And then Alex unpacked it and said, every time he 124 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.879 watches a basketball game, he watches it through the prism 125 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.240 of how Rick used to watch. 126 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.519 Well, it's just like an you know, I learned so 127 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.000 much from But what you're just saying is we had 128 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.240 an expression that I would tell people that Rick was an. 129 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:37.759 Interesting collection of people. 130 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.240 Yes, and even he didn't like and he told me 131 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.639 even I don't like myself sometimes, but I learned so 132 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.279 much from Rick, and it, you know, like, I'm sure 133 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:52.120 it was Josh. But role definition. Rick's teams in anything 134 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.920 you do, his team's had the role definition. 135 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:55.360 Great. 136 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.839 Yeah, sometimes he rudely assigned the role and let him play. 137 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.079 And people do play outside their role. They got along. 138 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.600 It's a genius they get along. You think of a company, 139 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:08.040 everybody knows what their job is. Everybody's doing that and 140 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.560 I remember one practice one time, Josh, and I'm pretty 141 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:13.279 sure it was Josh. 142 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:14.160 I have to ask him this. 143 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.519 So Josh gives up a wide open shot to make 144 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.959 it past to somebody else. Rick freaks out, Do you 145 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:22.959 think you're here to play defense, You're here to shoot 146 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:25.240 the ball. You are selfish? 147 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:26.279 What does he thought? 148 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.720 Drew so and so became agra set that screen for you. 149 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.120 He give it up, bought it for you, and you're 150 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.480 you're selfish. That's what you gotta do. And I'm thinking 151 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.399 that said so much because he's praising the guy to 152 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.319 set the screen. Sure, he's also saying, you know, I'm 153 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:42.879 not going to be in love with his high score 154 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.040 all time, but he's also staying a high score. This 155 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:48.759 is what you're here for. Don't look anywhere else. And 156 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.160 I thought, you know, that's what part of what I 157 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.600 put took from it. And then all the little things, 158 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.519 I mean, your hands have to be so I mean, 159 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.800 he you know, was he was crazy, But that's like 160 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.800 person I would consider a expert or something. 161 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.160 You know, you know I didn't have. I mean, I 162 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.519 went to Rick's camp for four or five years growing up, 163 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.439 you know, through middle school and high school, and then 164 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.120 had a brief experience within my freshman year at the 165 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.839 U before I decided that. You know, when you try 166 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:19.959 to guard Andre Miller and you're a five eleven white kids, 167 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.120 you join it fraternity and figure out other things to do. 168 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:25.040 But my brief interactions with him and then just listening 169 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.120 to him talk about the game was how detailed he 170 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:28.040 was about everything. 171 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.560 Yeah, and that's what you know, that's what I really 172 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.319 you know, moving more with Alex is that's what I 173 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.240 like about his People will get that, he'll he'll it's 174 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.639 hard to deal with the details. I couldn't do it, 175 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.199 you know, like you've got to defend this way. Your 176 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:45.839 feet need to be here, That's how you have to 177 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.879 do it. And now it's going to be an interesting 178 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.959 challenge for him because kids are in detailed now. You know, 179 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:54.920 they just want to play and want to shoot the ball, 180 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.480 and some of that you do have to give up. 181 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.439 You know, you can't coach like Rick because kids attention 182 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.279 spans aren't that long, right, you know, and so and 183 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.839 what they want to do is different you want them 184 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.160 to do. And offenses are defense. Bottom line though, is 185 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.839 you got to defend, rebound and move on. Is what 186 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:15.560 we used to say in the tournament, right. 187 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.560 I wonder and doctor Hill is with us. Doctor Chris Hill, 188 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.120 former ad at the U, hired Rick Majaris and was 189 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.360 you know, around for a long time making a number 190 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.040 of great hires, not just Rick. And we'll get to 191 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.920 some football coming up in our second segment, but you 192 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:34.240 hear a lot about the relationship between Rick and Alex right. 193 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.240 And you know Britton Johnsonho's a dear friend of mine. 194 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.879 And Britton and I did jazz radio together for seven years, 195 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.240 got to know his family. I mean, Britt's the sweetest 196 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.799 guy in the world. Oh yeah, you know, I love Britt. Now. 197 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.320 He and Josh Grant on the show kind of went 198 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.320 back and forth a little bit the past couple of weeks. 199 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.879 But it's all in good good nature. They are both legends, right. 200 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.039 But Britton always would tell his stories because one of 201 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.240 my favorite things, like if we're at a jazz game 202 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:01.799 and the jazz was by thirty or whatever, I'm like, hey, 203 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:03.960 let's just have fun during post Let's tell let's tell 204 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.279 me Jered stories. Let's talk about rec right, And almost 205 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:12.879 every time we would enter the Majeris landscape of conversation, 206 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.039 he would talk about how Rick would go at everybody 207 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.679 sometimes in a very uncomfortable you know, uh level. That 208 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.200 really made people feel super uncomfortable, as we all know, 209 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.360 except for Alex, like Alex was and Audrey shit, and 210 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:32.120 Audrey too because Andrea was awesome. But there every alum 211 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.960 that I've interviewed about that team always said Rick just 212 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.600 had this thing for Alex. And Rick is on the 213 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.360 record saying he's the smartest player that he ever coached. 214 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.120 Then obviously when al got in a coach and he 215 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:46.200 coached with Rick, but shed some light on that relationship 216 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:47.360 as you understand. 217 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:48.919 It, Well, I think part of it is, you know, 218 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.679 Alex was competitive as heck. 219 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.279 He followed the details. 220 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.679 Yeah, you know, he he's a detailed guy, and you know, 221 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.840 he wasn't any kind of emotion that sent a stinky 222 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.279 eye to the coach or anything like that. So you know, 223 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.840 it's kind of like I always tell somebody, yeah, well 224 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.960 he favored Alex, Yeah, because Alex did what he had 225 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:11.120 to do. Phil Jackson probably favored Michael Jordan. I don't know, 226 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.440 maybe he didn't, but uh yeah, it just was somehow, 227 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.879 and I think it just legend grew on top of it, 228 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.480 you know, all of a sudden, it's this and it's that. 229 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.720 But you know the reality is Alex did what he 230 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.720 was told all the time. And there are other guys 231 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:26.840 on the team that they were like Drew Hansen's one 232 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.639 of my favorite guys that that Alex played with and 233 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:34.200 they got along so well and they were very similar. Now, 234 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.159 if Drew were as good a player as Alex, Drew 235 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.000 might have been his favorite. 236 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:37.559 Sure. 237 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.080 Yeah, so it's kind of player play. Well, he did 238 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:44.320 speak about roles when he was in the game. No 239 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:48.279 fast breaks job, and that's what Alex get when you 240 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.320 need to talk to me, he says. You know, that's 241 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.519 why you have to put together your staff. Would what 242 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:55.639 roles people are going to play? You know, you got 243 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.440 to have now pro guys, which his story the world 244 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.080 is and that's I think it's smart. But you need 245 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.039 some college guys that know how to get into the 246 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.240 nil and also understand part of the college game. So 247 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.279 I think Alex because you know, it's not saying Alex 248 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:09.759 that's what we. 249 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:14.080 Used to call him sometimes, but that's awesome. 250 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.679 But you know he's going to take what he has 251 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.159 some rick and he's a new age kind of coach 252 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.919 and it's not Rick anymore. It's Alex, right, and that's 253 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.879 hard for everybody because you know, Rick not only was 254 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.759 a good coach, he was a national figure, you know, 255 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.360 and Alex, God bless him, He's probably not gonna be 256 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:32.080 a national figure. 257 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.159 I don't see Alex getting into broadcasting. I'll just say that, 258 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.159 like Rick took a little little bit of a time 259 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.639 to do some draft stuff and broadcasting. Yeah, he was 260 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.200 out right, right, he was too detailed for it, right, right, right, 261 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.120 But anyway, I'm excited about I'm excited about he's going on. 262 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.879 It's kind of it's gonna be fun to see the 263 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:51.679 team grow. And I think they got a chance, you know, 264 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.440 the Big Twelve. Although you know they have been great, 265 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.879 they're still good. But you know there's some teams that 266 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.440 Utah's birthright can be more than and they can get 267 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:01.919 there if they have the right support. 268 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.600 Well yeah, yeah, oh sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, I 269 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:06.720 got you. I was gonna say. You referenced maybe top 270 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.279 five or six in the lead. Guess what that is. 271 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.759 That's an NCUA turn it too. You're top five or 272 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.799 six in the Big twelve, you are dancing, and maybe 273 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:15.960 even top seven or eight. But you reference filling out 274 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.320 the staff, and you've alluded to some of the dynamics 275 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.480 already so far in the conversation. But let's dig in 276 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:25.320 a little deeper. I kind of push back at the 277 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.480 notion that every seat next to Alex has to be 278 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.879 filled by former units. It feels like there's some momentum 279 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.919 that way. And let me just say this, if Andrea 280 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.759 wants to come, you hire Andre Miller, Yeah, because right 281 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:39.919 for sure. I mean I'm a gen xer and I 282 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.399 was in school during those runs. And for me, if 283 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.240 you walk into a gym with Andrea on your bench, 284 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.080 that's instant credibility that you can't get in very many places. 285 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:49.399 But Alex has been in the pros for almost twenty 286 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:53.679 years and Kevin Young own of BYU his entire staff, 287 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:58.320 not just coaches, strength and conditioning, administrators, nutrition, they're all 288 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.519 XMBA people. I think that's kind of the way to go. 289 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:02.679 Tell me what you think. 290 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.240 I think it's a way to go. I think you 291 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.159 still need some person or two on the staff that 292 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:13.519 kind of has been in that recruiting cycle, AAU people 293 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.360 that kind of stuff, and you just don't need to 294 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.279 go next door and get somebody you know, you need 295 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.320 to really be thoughtful about how you want to put together. 296 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:23.600 You have to have a match with them. 297 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:24.200 You know. 298 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:25.840 There's a lot of things you have to have. And 299 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.960 of course it's going to lean towards the pro model more, 300 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.240 you know, and that's what kids want to do and everything. 301 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.960 But you need the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh guide 302 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.320 a team to be good, you know, that's what you 303 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.440 need to see. You need somebody to understand that, you know. 304 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.840 And so yeah, you need the pro model with the 305 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.679 strength coaches and the nutritionists. And they have those folks 306 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.919 in college, but they don't pay the ton of money, 307 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:53.679 you know, in the NBA. So you got somebody that's 308 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.600 really good as a college nutritionist, but then the other 309 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.279 person's off the chart, you know, and you know how 310 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.440 those bodies are you're playing and stuff. So you know, 311 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:04.440 I mean, I think it's it's got to be that. 312 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.360 And I'm repeating myself a little bit, but I think 313 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.320 there's gotta be a little bit As I look at 314 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.000 the teams and you put teams together, you got to 315 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.600 keep some guys that are the Drew Hansson's that are 316 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.159 going to set the screen do this and maybe more mature. 317 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.840 They're there for three four years plus, I would help 318 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.720 the fans more. I think, you know, we all fell 319 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.080 in love with the guys that played for four years, yep, 320 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:27.200 and that was the deal. 321 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.159 But now, and I always wonder. 322 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.000 How many of the one and Don's are at the 323 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:33.480 Promised Land at the final four? 324 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.600 Yeah, you know, how many? 325 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.360 How many of those guys I mean, Cooper will but 326 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.679 how many guys have brought them to the Promised. 327 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.720 Land outside of the unicorns? You're right, Cooper Mellow Syracuse. 328 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.639 I mean, if you go back and look at it, 329 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.639 most of these teams are veteran teams that have had 330 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.639 players there that understand the system. Your point is well taken. 331 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:56.919 Yeah, but they need those You can't win an the 332 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.720 NCAA tournament now, guys that are either going to be 333 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.399 pro next year or not. I mean, you know, you 334 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.320 can't pick the ideal thing. But some guys would stay 335 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.279 you know, some guy it's late second round or may 336 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.200 stay in because of the nil stuff. So that's why 337 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.480 you got to know all that general manager stuff, all 338 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:16.679 those agent stuff, you know, and you got to put 339 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.480 it together. It's a business, it is, yes, you got 340 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:19.840 to do it. 341 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.759 So tell me this. We're we're a good basketball state. 342 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:25.360 You know, we have a lot of talent at the 343 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.480 high school level. And I'm not over. I don't do 344 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.960 a ton of high school football bat I'm busy, in fact, 345 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:32.519 I don't have time to dig in all of it. 346 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.600 But people that cover these things in a day to 347 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.399 day in a way that I don't say that. You know, 348 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.240 the junior and senior class in state's pretty good. And 349 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.279 Josh Grant joined the show a few weeks ago and 350 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.440 talked about needing somebody on the staff that understands the 351 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.200 state and needing somebody on the staff that understands how 352 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.799 to recruit Utah. Now I apologize once again to go 353 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.080 back into well, Rick did this, Rick did that. But 354 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.720 Rick was able to go get van Horn, he was 355 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.840 able to get Andre, he was able to get Hano, 356 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.679 he was able to get both. It was a Rick 357 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.279 recruit that Ray coached. And to your point, more often 358 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.159 than not, when you look at teams and not just 359 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.360 make the NCBA Tournament, but go on runs to the 360 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.399 final four, at least two or three NBA guys and 361 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.679 at least one or two European guys, it's usually three 362 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.679 or four pros. So talk about that balance. Where do 363 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.039 you believe that Alex, who is a local kid from Umont, 364 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.320 understands the state. Does he need to add more local 365 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.840 flavor to the bench to recruit Utah or is this 366 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.720 more of a priority to follow the pattern where you 367 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.159 find an andre and Compton or you go over season 368 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:31.840 and get a medal U right, I mean tell me 369 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:32.279 your thoughts. 370 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.080 One, well, you know, okay, I'm being introduced as the 371 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.480 ad as a coach in any state in the country. 372 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.799 I'm going to go for the local kids first. I'm 373 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.480 going to go for the local Well, you have to, 374 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:45.360 you know, and if you hit the lottery on somebody 375 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.960 that's great, like Josh or Britain, you know they're your one, 376 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.919 two and three, right then you also have to look 377 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.759 at the other guys that are good players. But at 378 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.000 the end of the day, this place is that weird 379 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.120 where you can't learn for sure about the community. We 380 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:03.759 learn how to go in and talk to the coach 381 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.119 out to high school or tim few. I mean, you know, 382 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.519 I mean, I don't want to make it sound like 383 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:12.319 Josh and I could have this discussion because I kind 384 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.200 of agree with him, But that's not the end of 385 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.680 the day. For me, you got somebody that's really sharp, 386 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.440 that wants to be in this community, learns doesn't have 387 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.519 the ego in the way you know, they can learn 388 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:25.079 pretty quick. 389 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:25.839 Yeah, you know. 390 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.119 And you know, and I used to say that with football, 391 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.880 Well he's from you know, Lower East LA. And I thought, well, 392 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.440 he's going to go into a college school. He doesn't 393 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.119 know the people there. It's another place, right, So you don't. 394 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.559 I don't want to be wishy washy about it, but 395 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.319 I'd love to have Josh right here and have the 396 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.079 debate with him, because you need the best players in 397 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.240 the state period. Anybody can help get them. Yeah, No, 398 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:50.680 I tend to agree. 399 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.160 I think, you know, and I think coach Waite has 400 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.759 talked about oftentimes wanting diversity on his staff, not just 401 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.480