Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Cool. I don't like that news about the Patriots. If
Speaker 2: that's true, Judah was a great is a great player.
Speaker 2: And unless there's something that they know that we don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know them. Pay them man the money he's
Speaker 2: he deserves it. My name's Dan Ray. Uh, little sports
Speaker 2: commentary there, so no problem at all. Uh. We are
Speaker 2: here not to talk about sports, but to talk about
Speaker 2: a variety of issues, a variety of issues. In the
Speaker 2: first hour, we'll be talking with four different guests tonight.
Speaker 2: Once again, we have a Dan and Rob doing double
Speaker 2: duty back in the control room. So when you call
Speaker 2: in tonight after nine o'clock. At nine o'clock, by the way,
Speaker 2: we'll be speaking with Congresswoman Laurie trahan She represents the
Speaker 2: third congressional district here in Massachusetts, and we will continue
Speaker 2: to talk about the Stewart healthcare crisis and how it's
Speaker 2: going to impact potentially three hospitals in hurt district. So
Speaker 2: we'll talk with Lori Trehanne, and then later on tonight
Speaker 2: a peace in the Boston Globe today, which is really
Speaker 2: interesting journalism in which the Boston Globe has called on
Speaker 2: the carpet Governor Healy and the Healthy administration over the
Speaker 2: lack of transparency dealing with questions about the emergency shelter
Speaker 2: situation here in Massachusetts, and really a very interesting journalistic
Speaker 2: piece by The Globe today in which they they dug
Speaker 2: deep into the into the records as far as they
Speaker 2: could go. But we'll talk about that sometime after we spoke.
Speaker 2: We speak with congress Congresswoman Laurie Trahan. Right now, we're
Speaker 2: gonna speak with John Hancock. No, not that John Hancock,
Speaker 2: another modern day John Hancock, who is the Boston Globe
Speaker 2: senior news room developer, John Hancock. I'm thrilled to speak
Speaker 2: with you because I've never actually spoken to someone who
Speaker 2: has the name John Hancock.
Speaker 3: How are you? How good? How are you?
Speaker 2: I think at one point the Red Sox had an
Speaker 2: outfielder who didn't play many years. I think his last
Speaker 2: name was Hancock. He was a left handed hitter. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes in maybe the seventies or early eighties. You
Speaker 2: don't recall that that player, do you b any chance? No?
Speaker 3: Sure don't. Unfortunately, playing with.
Speaker 2: That name playing for the Red Sox, you think it
Speaker 2: would have been a perfect match but didn't work out.
Speaker 2: But so you're the senior newsroom developer at the Boston Globe.
Speaker 2: I'm unfamiliar. What does that mean? What do you do
Speaker 2: as the senior newsroom developer if I could ask? Sure?
Speaker 3: So, I work on a lot of our digital projects,
Speaker 3: our larger projects that we do where we have some
Speaker 3: sort of special web web presence. Our newsroom development team
Speaker 3: works on building those out, and then we also work
Speaker 3: a lot on data. We do a lot of graphics
Speaker 3: for all of the all of the newsroom, and a
Speaker 3: lot of times we'll do stories based on that data.
Speaker 3: I had a piece right before the finals how this
Speaker 3: Celtics teams compared to other great Celtics teams in the past.
Speaker 3: So we'll work on we'll take data and we'll make
Speaker 3: stories out of it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great, uh, and and some I think that
Speaker 2: the graphics in the Globe have really gotten better over
Speaker 2: the last few years in terms of trying to explain something.
Speaker 2: There was a very interesting graphic on the front page
Speaker 2: of the Globe today. It's a what and then it's
Speaker 2: looked like obviously a lot of a lot of words
Speaker 2: were redacted, but when you read what the state won't
Speaker 2: say about the shelter crisis. It was a very effective
Speaker 2: top of the fold graphic. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: had anything to do with that one, but it's certainly
Speaker 2: caught my eye this morning, that's for sure. You more
Speaker 2: importantly are doing some graphics dealing with Boston potholes. I
Speaker 2: figured the pothole season here in Boston or in New
Speaker 2: England was about over, but I guess it's not.
Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, it's a year long thing. But
Speaker 3: you are you are right in that aspect in one
Speaker 3: and that for the most part, pothole season in Boston
Speaker 3: tends to be the first four months of the year.
Speaker 3: Based on data that we've looked at from pothole requests
Speaker 3: in the Boston three to one one system, more than
Speaker 3: half of all the requests that they get for pothole
Speaker 3: repairs happened in the months of January through March.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's interesting about potholes is that I
Speaker 2: believe that if you hit a pothole and you do
Speaker 2: damage to your car, and you can prove, however, you
Speaker 2: can prove that that you do damage to your car,
Speaker 2: that some cities in towns are willing to at least
Speaker 2: consider whether or not that pothole which damaged your car
Speaker 2: they should be responsible for. Are you aware of that or.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm not aware that's a policy in
Speaker 3: Boston or not. But I have heard that there are
Speaker 3: other cities that will compensate drivers, as said, if they
Speaker 3: can prove that that pothole is responsible for the damage
Speaker 3: to their car.
Speaker 2: So, what's the status of potholes in Boston. Obviously, we're
Speaker 2: in Old City. We have extremes in temperature. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: get below zero and sometimes we get above ninety. And
Speaker 2: I assumed that, and and there's a lot of big,
Speaker 2: heavy trucks that that Roma City streets. What's the status
Speaker 2: here in Boston?
Speaker 3: We Yeah, all the all of the traffic and weather
Speaker 3: are all be contributing factors to potholes so far. So
Speaker 3: we looked at data going back to twenty fourteen on
Speaker 3: a year by year basis on a number of requests
Speaker 3: that the city gets to repair those potholes in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. This year we're just under eighty eight hundred requests,
Speaker 3: which is seventy four percent of the total that twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three had, which was just short of twelve thousand,
Speaker 3: so I think in twenty twenty three was a little
Speaker 3: less than the thirteen thousand or so that the city
Speaker 3: had in twenty twenty two. My guess is that because
Speaker 3: you know, we get a majority of those potholes in
Speaker 3: the first four months of the year, that the pace
Speaker 3: will slow down as the year goes, as the rest
Speaker 3: of the year plays out, and we'll probably finish about
Speaker 3: where twenty twenty three and twenty twenty two were.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Of course, last winter correct me if I'm wrong, was
Speaker 2: a filling mile winter. We didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: big no big snowstorms that I remember. Is that a
Speaker 2: factor too? Do you think in the diminution potholes this year?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? For sure. You know a lot of times what
Speaker 3: you'll a lot of what you'll see is, you know,
Speaker 3: water gets in the cracks in the street, that water freezes,
Speaker 3: and when it freezes it expands, so it pushes that
Speaker 3: out a little bit. When it falls that the material
Speaker 3: is loosened up, and then traffic just kind of wears
Speaker 3: it away. The more of those freeze fall cycles you have,
Speaker 3: the more you know it's going to contribute to you
Speaker 3: having a greater number of potholes and then construction in
Speaker 3: the city and traffic are also contributing factors. We saw
Speaker 3: in twenty and twenty twenty one the number of pothole
Speaker 3: requests dipped below ten thousand for the first time since
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, and a lot of that had to do,
Speaker 3: we assume with COVID and they're being less traffic in
Speaker 3: those years. So as the pandemic ended in traffic picked
Speaker 3: back up, we saw those numbers climbed back up in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So my last question is, is there any indication to you
Speaker 2: in the studies that you've done that there are more
Speaker 2: potholes in one section of Boston or or or as
Speaker 2: they spread pretty evenly.
Speaker 3: So we took a look at the three one one
Speaker 3: request data for the repair has the neighborhood that it
Speaker 3: is that the pothole is appearing in. We found that
Speaker 3: Dorchester and the Austin Brighton in Downtown financial district make
Speaker 3: up a little more than a quarter of all requests
Speaker 3: for the city. Obviously, Dorchester is one of the bigger neighborhoods,
Speaker 3: as is the Austin Brighton area. Downtown has a lot
Speaker 3: of traffic, so that kind of plays out with what
Speaker 3: we would expect if there be more area and more traffic,
Speaker 3: that you're going to have more potholes. All that is
Speaker 3: to say is that, in addition to that, just because
Speaker 3: the city gets a request for pothole repair, it doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily mean that it's a pothole that they're responsible for.
Speaker 3: Sometimes those potholes are on private property and it would
Speaker 3: be the owner's responsibility to repair it. Sometimes those potholes
Speaker 3: peer around utility castings, and then in that case it's
Speaker 3: the utility company that is responsible for repairing it.
Speaker 2: So I've learned that there's a lot more to the
Speaker 2: pothole dilemma, the pothole problem than meets the eye. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate John Hancock. By the way, I have double
Speaker 2: checked I was right. The Red Sox did have an
Speaker 2: outfielder who had your last name. Gary Hancock played here
Speaker 2: in the late seventies and into the early eighties, here
Speaker 2: for about four seasons, and over that time he had
Speaker 2: a little bit of an impact here, did better work
Speaker 2: playing for Oakland than he did for the Red Sox.
Speaker 2: But there was indeed an alfielder who played for the
Speaker 2: Red Sox in the late seventies and eighties. His name
Speaker 2: was Gary Hancock. I don't know if he's a relation
Speaker 2: or not, but I wanted to be aware of it.
Speaker 2: I just remember the name in the back of my
Speaker 2: mind and I had to finish the play here and
Speaker 2: double check to make sure it's correct.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks much. John Hancock, not the original, but Boston Globes
Speaker 2: John Hancock. We're very happy that he joined us tonight.
Speaker 2: He's the senior newsroom developer. When we get back, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk a little music, well not really, We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Donald Trump's the music that has
Speaker 2: played at Donald Trump campaign events, and there's some controversy here.
Speaker 2: Some of the musicians are not happy that their music
Speaker 2: is being associated with the Trump campaign. We'll talk with
Speaker 2: patent professor, an attorney's been here before, John Risby about
Speaker 2: where this story may eventually go back on Nightside right
Speaker 2: after this break on a Wednesday night. It is halfway
Speaker 2: through the week.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk now about this. This
Speaker 2: is not politics, but in most political campaigns, candidates they
Speaker 2: like to identify with a popular music, songs that make
Speaker 2: people get up and dance. But sometimes those artists don't
Speaker 2: like to be associated with the candidates who have chosen
Speaker 2: their songs with us. As John Risvey, he's a lawyer,
Speaker 2: he's called the patent professor. We're really talking about copyright
Speaker 2: law here, Professor Risvey. Welcome back to Nightside, Hawaii.
Speaker 5: Yeah good, it's always a pleasure to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I guess according to the article that I read,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump uses the Village People's YMCA song a lot.
Speaker 2: He comes out and kind of dances of that. They
Speaker 2: have not raised, as I understand that a complaint, but
Speaker 2: other artists have. What's going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean surprisingly they did complain in twenty
Speaker 5: sixteen when he used it back then, but I mean
Speaker 5: this time we haven't heard anything. I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's that we haven't heard a complaint yet, but I
Speaker 5: you know, certainly that's unusual.
Speaker 2: But well, I hope the artists haven't passed on to
Speaker 2: the big YMCA in the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The fact that it's surprising to not get a complaint,
Speaker 5: it seems because there's just so many that have stepped
Speaker 5: forward this time, because when they get a complaint, typic
Speaker 5: what happens is the politicians will switch and move on
Speaker 5: to something else. But in the case of Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: he's had complaints from Phil Collins, Elton, John Guns n' Roses,
Speaker 5: Prince Tom. I mean, it's Ceylon beyond. The list just
Speaker 5: goes on and on.
Speaker 2: The state, the state. I think if I'm not mistaken
Speaker 2: of Isaac Hayes, Isaac obviously having in the state himself,
Speaker 2: has passed on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: But you know too, in all fairness, this is not
Speaker 5: something unusual just to Donald Trump. But like Bruce Springsteen,
Speaker 5: uh sent a season desist to Ronald Reagan for use
Speaker 5: of Born in the USA.
Speaker 3: Like the.
Speaker 5: George Bush has received cease and desists for Bobby mcferran's
Speaker 5: Don't Worry Be Happy. Uh, Bob Dole has received them.
Speaker 5: This is not unusual. Unfortunately, it's not. Uh, it's something
Speaker 5: that you know, it's against the law. It's not it's
Speaker 5: a violation of copyright law. And it keeps happening. And
Speaker 5: there's you know, part of the issue.
Speaker 2: With Professor I'm seeing a pattern here. I think you
Speaker 2: said Bruce Springsteen was upset with Ronald Reagan. Others were
Speaker 2: upset with George Bush, Bob Dole, Donald Trump, have any
Speaker 2: of the Democratic presidential campaigns have had a complain about
Speaker 2: I mean, Bill Clinton used to use the song, you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, keep thinking about tomorrow. I remember every
Speaker 2: time I was at a Clinton event back in the
Speaker 2: nineties that that that's that was a Stevie Nick song,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean, in fairness, though I guess I
Speaker 5: may have. I gave a lot of examples that were
Speaker 5: Republican candidates, but Obama was received deceased and assist from
Speaker 5: Sam Moore for hold On, I'm coming. So it's not
Speaker 5: exclusively Republican candidates. But but artists in general are are
Speaker 5: leaning towards the Democratic ticket, right, so that there's going
Speaker 5: to be, you know, there are going to be I
Speaker 5: guess some party lines regarding music in copyright in frenchmen
Speaker 5: who complains and when? But it hasn't been exclusively Republicans,
Speaker 5: but I will give you you you're right, it's been
Speaker 5: pretty you know, certainly in favor of Republican candidates getting
Speaker 5: being under the tail end of eating.
Speaker 2: The opposition to it might be the way to think
Speaker 2: about it. It's really interesting. Remember I think it was
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan when he was asked about not endorsing some
Speaker 2: Republican candidate who was running for office, or endorse I
Speaker 2: should say a Democratic candidate over Republican, he said something like, well,
Speaker 2: Republicans by sneakers too. So if you would think that,
Speaker 2: you know, some of these artists might be delighted that
Speaker 2: their songs are being resurrected some basis. I mean, YMCA
Speaker 2: has to put out a record in a long time.
Speaker 2: If that group, the village people haven't put out a record,
Speaker 2: I don't think in a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't. It's and that's I think you
Speaker 5: hit the nail on the head. It's not just an
Speaker 5: economic concern because even if the you know, the politicians
Speaker 5: would pay licensing fees, the licensing fees are our pennies
Speaker 5: in the grand scheme of things, compared to the costs
Speaker 5: of their campaign. So it's not that they're not asking
Speaker 5: permission because they don't want to pay the licensing fees.
Speaker 5: That's not it. Part of it is if you you
Speaker 5: know the the old adage that it's easier to ask forgiveness,
Speaker 5: uh than permission if you ask permission, and they pretty
Speaker 5: much know the answer is going to be No, then
Speaker 5: then you really look bad if you go ahead and
Speaker 5: do it anyway. So I think they've taken the route
Speaker 5: of let's not ask permission, let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5: If we receive a cease and desist, we will, uh
Speaker 5: in some cases switch to a different artist. But unfortunately
Speaker 5: in other cases they just they just continue anyway. And uh,
Speaker 5: that's that's what's concerning to me as a intellectual property
Speaker 5: attorney I do patent, trademark and copyright law. Is that
Speaker 5: that it's just it's just blatant infringement. In a lot
Speaker 5: of cases, this isn't fair use. This isn't a situation
Speaker 5: where uh, they're they're making political statements using the music.
Speaker 5: That's actually using the music which should be licensed, and
Speaker 5: they're not licensing the rights. They're not paying, uh, but
Speaker 5: they're not asking permission either.
Speaker 2: So let's let's assume that Donald Trump is an example.
Speaker 2: He's pretty litigious. Let's assume that he said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pay whatever the the nominal fee is
Speaker 2: to be able to use Bruce Brings. Would the artist
Speaker 2: then be basically foreclosed from from any sort of legal
Speaker 2: action or over that.
Speaker 5: No, No, because it's not just uh, yes, you do
Speaker 5: have to pay the fee, but it's not just the fee.
Speaker 5: You have to get permission. And for some of these artists,
Speaker 5: they don't really care about the licensing fee so much
Speaker 5: as alienating their fans, because certainly, if their music is
Speaker 5: played at a Trump campaign, a lot of fans are
Speaker 5: going to assume, oh that, you know, the Bruce Spring
Speaker 5: springten is a is a Trump fan or whatnot. They're
Speaker 5: going to assume an affiliation, and the loss of their
Speaker 5: fan base could be substantially more than the pitdly small
Speaker 5: amount of licensing fees they might get for playing the
Speaker 5: song at a at a campaign. And remember it's all
Speaker 5: these are not long term licensing, uh you know, a
Speaker 5: money stream that's going to continue for years. In November,
Speaker 5: it's all over. So it's not something that oh, you
Speaker 5: know what, let's go ahead and give them permission because
Speaker 5: we're going to have a steady stream of income for
Speaker 5: the next several years. No, it's just a really short blip,
Speaker 5: but their lost stand base might be forever sure, and
Speaker 5: it might quarter be associated with a politician they don't
Speaker 5: want to have anything.
Speaker 6: To do with.
Speaker 2: Well, of course with Donald Top he will always have
Speaker 2: kid Rock. Hey, Professor Risby, thank you so much. Always
Speaker 2: great to talk to you though, always an enjoyable experience.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much, it is I love it. Thank you
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 2: You bet you have a great night. All right. When
Speaker 2: we get back here on Night's Side, right after the
Speaker 2: news break at the bottom of the hour, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about a little bit of maybe of a
Speaker 2: more serious issue, and that is how to stop second
Speaker 2: guessing yourself. Going to talk with doctor Judith Orloff. She
Speaker 2: has a new book out which she's going to talk about,
Speaker 2: did you Genius of Empathy? Practical Skills to heal your
Speaker 2: sensitive self? Back on nights Side six one, seven, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty is the number, but don't dial that until
Speaker 2: after nine o'clock. My name's Dan Ray. It's a Wednesday night,
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, August fourteenth. We are coming to the middle
Speaker 2: of August. Ladies and gentlemen, of the summer is slowly
Speaker 2: but surely starting to slide by. That is not a
Speaker 2: good feeling for us here in New England. Back on
Speaker 2: Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Our next guest is doctor Judith Orloff. She has written
Speaker 2: a new book, The Genius of Empathy. She's a leading
Speaker 2: psychiatrist in the field of empathy and a member of
Speaker 2: the UCLA Psychiatric Clinical Staff. Doctor Orloff, Welcome back to Nightside.
Speaker 2: But I understand that the forward of your new book,
Speaker 2: The Genius of Empathy was written by the Dali Lama.
Speaker 2: How'd you get to Dali Lama to write a forward?
Speaker 2: Are you in the Ai Lama buddies? And what's the deal?
Speaker 6: Well, one of the really most important and sentences that
Speaker 6: Dali Lama has is increasing empathy and compassion. That's you know,
Speaker 6: his mission and that's what's important to him. So I
Speaker 6: just submitted the book and he read it and he
Speaker 6: said I want to do the forward to it. So
Speaker 6: it was, you know, big honor, and it really emphasizes,
Speaker 6: you know the importance of a life that is based
Speaker 6: on empathy and intuition, which is which is his and
Speaker 6: it's you know, he's a role model for me. And
Speaker 6: so I'm just really happy to have gotten that forward.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure the Dalai Lama has never second gainst
Speaker 2: the second guest himself, but most of us second guests
Speaker 2: ourselves in many different ways. We look at our GPS,
Speaker 2: Am I am I taking the right GPS? If I have,
Speaker 2: I put the right address in here. Sometimes even you
Speaker 2: go back and you lock the door when you leave
Speaker 2: the Did I really lock that? I mean? Is that
Speaker 2: the sort of second guessing you're talking about? Are you
Speaker 2: talking about the more serious second guessing? When I don't know,
Speaker 2: you either leave a job or you take a job
Speaker 2: buyer's regret tell us. But when you say second guessing,
Speaker 2: exactly what you mean.
Speaker 6: Second guessing refers to everything you just said. It could
Speaker 6: be a more minor incident, or it can be really,
Speaker 6: you know, a huge one in terms of you doubting
Speaker 6: yourself and the decisions that you make. And that's why
Speaker 6: it's important to trust your intuition, which is the still
Speaker 6: small voice inside that will tell you the truth about things,
Speaker 6: and not to second guess yourself and not to wave
Speaker 6: even if other people have different opinions, Because people have
Speaker 6: lots of opinions, they have a lot of unsolicited advice
Speaker 6: that they give. And it's important in terms of empathy
Speaker 6: to trust yourself, to have empathy with yourself and trust
Speaker 6: that little voice inside that's saying, don't get into that
Speaker 6: business deal. This is not going to turn out well,
Speaker 6: and then your mind by say, oh, but you're getting
Speaker 6: so much money from it, but your intuition is saying no,
Speaker 6: don't go there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there, okay. So how do you distinguish intuition
Speaker 2: and mind. It sounds to me like unless what you're
Speaker 2: saying is unless you're really confident in certain because I
Speaker 2: got to assume every big decision we make in life,
Speaker 2: whether it's getting married, ivan children, picking a college to
Speaker 2: go to, whatever it is, you have to have those
Speaker 2: moments of self doubt. Isn't that what's normal for most people?
Speaker 2: I mean? Or is it people supposed to say, I
Speaker 2: know what I want to buy. I want to buy
Speaker 2: that car. That's the only type. There are people like that,
Speaker 2: But I think most of us say, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: like that car, but I kind of like that car too.
Speaker 2: Is that not just part of being human to do
Speaker 2: always sort of second guess yourself or am I way
Speaker 2: on face?
Speaker 6: Well, it's being human doubting yourself, you know. And part
Speaker 6: of what I'm trying to teach people in the book
Speaker 6: is how to get more of a clarity about what
Speaker 6: they want and to have more faith in themselves. In
Speaker 6: terms of listening to your intuition, because I tell you
Speaker 6: when I haven't listened. Let's say I've gone ahead with
Speaker 6: something in my life. Maybe it was a relationship, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe it was something else, and I didn't listen to
Speaker 6: that voice saying don't do this. Now, this isn't going
Speaker 6: to be good for you. And the voice in me
Speaker 6: that says I want to do it, I want this
Speaker 6: to happen, it never turned out well, and so people
Speaker 6: cannot listen. But it won't turn out well. And if
Speaker 6: you want a life that's based more on self confidence,
Speaker 6: we're never always confident. Of course, you're making a good point,
Speaker 6: but we can try to get to the point where
Speaker 6: if we get a gut feeling about something and it
Speaker 6: says don't go there, we at least think about it,
Speaker 6: you know, as opposed to just walking into the lions den.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this. There's a concept
Speaker 2: called analysis paralysis where certain people can never make a
Speaker 2: decision even at a restaurant, you know, do they want
Speaker 2: the big scollops or do they want the pasta carbon whatever?
Speaker 2: And some people you can ask people, what do you
Speaker 2: want to have for dinner? I don't know. Is this
Speaker 2: the is this the opposite of this analysis paralysis, the
Speaker 2: opposite of people who you know who don't follow their
Speaker 2: instinct or is this actually a form of analysis paralysis?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well in the book I talk about the importance
Speaker 6: of not overthinking because people can really.
Speaker 2: Analysis which is which is analysis paralysis?
Speaker 6: I guess absolutely absolutely, where you just overthink something and
Speaker 6: then you never know what you even feels right to
Speaker 6: you anymore. But what I want to emphasize, and the
Speaker 6: genius of empathy is to let's say you don't know
Speaker 6: what feels right. Let's say you're lost. Let's say you
Speaker 6: are you have analysis paralysis. What do you begin listening
Speaker 6: to if you want to start in the beginning of
Speaker 6: trusting yourself. Now, trust your gut feeling that the feeling
Speaker 6: that comes up that will you know, tell you the
Speaker 6: truth about things, because I'm sure you've been in situations
Speaker 6: and you can feel something inside saying this is fantastic
Speaker 6: or this you know doesn't it's not on the app
Speaker 6: and up, I have a feeling about this that they
Speaker 6: aren't telling the truth. Most people have that sense, but
Speaker 6: you have to trust it. A second. Guessing yourself means
Speaker 6: that you don't trust it and it's the process of
Speaker 6: wanting to get more self confident regardless of what other
Speaker 6: people will says. If you're dependent on other people's opinions
Speaker 6: all the time, it's going to drive you crazy. You
Speaker 6: have to know what feels right to you and follow
Speaker 6: that as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my last question, and let me go back
Speaker 2: to the Dalai Lama. Obviously he's a manual and great morality,
Speaker 2: so I'll bring it all the way round. Are we
Speaker 2: talking about here a little bit of moral conscience as well?
Speaker 6: Or absolutely well. I believe that making a life that
Speaker 6: is based on empathy rather than hatred and polarization and
Speaker 6: bitterness is a sense of morality. It's like saying, I'm
Speaker 6: going to take the higher path, the higher good, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to believe in it, and I'm going to
Speaker 6: believe that it's a good thing. I believe in compassion,
Speaker 6: I believe in empathy. I believe in trying to find
Speaker 6: it even when it seems impossible.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm suggesting, is to really decide where you're
Speaker 6: coming from and who you want to be and begin
Speaker 6: to develop that more.
Speaker 2: Okay, very interesting conversation. I enjoyed this conversation. I hope
Speaker 2: my question didn't drive you totally crazy, but thank you
Speaker 2: so much too. The book is the genius of empathy,
Speaker 2: practical skills to heal your sensitive self. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: this book must be available everywhere.
Speaker 6: Yes, and it's on my website, which is Dr Judith
Speaker 6: Orloff R l O s F dot com.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Thank you so much, Doctor Orloff. Enjoyed. We have
Speaker 2: a great night. Good night.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now when we get back in just a minute or two,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this sort of a back
Speaker 2: to school issue. Can the classroom make students sick? Go
Speaker 2: to talk with David Steinmann, who's a consumer advocate, investigative
Speaker 2: journalist who focuses on environmental health. Stay with us. This
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by David Steinman. He's a consumer advocate,
Speaker 2: investigative journalist who focus who focuses on environment and health.
Speaker 2: And we're talking today about tonight about the idea of
Speaker 2: kids getting back to school, and we'd like to think
Speaker 2: that kids are in safe environments. But David Steinman has
Speaker 2: a new book entitled Raising Healthy Kids Protecting Your Children
Speaker 2: from Hidden chemical Toxins, and I guess some of this
Speaker 2: might be involved with heading back to school. Can you
Speaker 2: pull this to get this concept together for us? David?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 4: Oh? Sure, good evening. It's great to be on your
Speaker 4: show tonight. But that chapter is called the New School
Speaker 4: Rules because the fact is that you do have to
Speaker 4: be really aware of the environmental hazards at your school,
Speaker 4: and particularly in Massachusetts. You know, I was just doing
Speaker 4: some research, for example, on the lead in drinking water,
Speaker 4: and what Boston Public Health Public School says is that
Speaker 4: all parents were notified if their school water samples were
Speaker 4: above fifteen parts per billion, and then they say, quote,
Speaker 4: if you are not notified by a child's school, no
Speaker 4: action is needed. And that's just not true because if
Speaker 4: the water has thirteen, fourteen, even ten or five parts
Speaker 4: per billion of lead, you, as a parent do need
Speaker 4: to take action?
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me stop you for a second, let
Speaker 2: me ask you. Okay, So I assume they didn't pick
Speaker 2: fifteen parts per billion out of the air. I assume
Speaker 2: they're they're relying upon some government guideline.
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, that's true, the e p A.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Okay, And we think about the e
Speaker 2: p A. So if if the would you saying here
Speaker 2: is that the the city of Boston, the Public School Department,
Speaker 2: has an obligation to go beyond what the e p
Speaker 2: A considers if not safe, at least tolerable circumstances or standards.
Speaker 2: Is that what I'm hearing you say?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they that the better way. Now.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, if your child is in a DPS school, you
Speaker 4: can get the water testing results for your school, and
Speaker 4: you should request them. What I'm saying is a consumer
Speaker 4: advocate and someone who is dealing strictly with health and
Speaker 4: most EPA standards are really compromises, you know, they're really compromises,
Speaker 4: Like we have forever chemicals in our drinking water at
Speaker 4: schools too, and they're very dangerous. And EPA has never
Speaker 4: banned any of them, though they have limits on how
Speaker 4: much is safe. But these limits are just based on
Speaker 4: the practicality that there's going to be some in the water. Now,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you have to accept it as a parent,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you have to accept.
Speaker 2: What's going to have it. So let's assume, hypothetically, using
Speaker 2: this example, that you get a letter from the school
Speaker 2: and they say, all the water is safe. We've tested it.
Speaker 2: It's you know, they're fewer than fifteen parts per billion, Okay.
Speaker 2: And let's assume that a parent says, well, send us
Speaker 2: what the study is, and they send us study and
Speaker 2: they come up with some figure of let's say six
Speaker 2: or seven parts per billion. What options do the parents
Speaker 2: have at that Joine at that.
Speaker 4: Point, Well, the first thing is to be informed, and
Speaker 4: you know, and each individual can make decisions about if
Speaker 4: they think ten pbb is safe based on the evidence,
Speaker 4: working as a consumer advocate and in the legal field,
Speaker 4: that much water and that high level of what is
Speaker 4: really not safe if you're for your child whose brain
Speaker 4: is really developing. You know, this is preschool, early the
Speaker 4: early years, when the brain is really in its most
Speaker 4: active state of cognitive development. So but if what I
Speaker 4: suggest in the book is parents should form a Green
Speaker 4: Team for their classroom or for their middle school for
Speaker 4: their children, and look at the school holistically. It's not
Speaker 4: just water. But in the case of water, if their
Speaker 4: child's water supply does have lead, you can use your
Speaker 4: own filtered water from your home, which you can produce
Speaker 4: much more, it's inexpensively than bottled and have your child
Speaker 4: take kid take their own bottled water to school from
Speaker 4: a stainless still flask, and that's a much safer alternative.
Speaker 2: What are some of the other dangers in school? Obviously
Speaker 2: we've talked a lot about water. Are there other dangers
Speaker 2: in school in terms of I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: the inks that are used to print products, the crayons
Speaker 2: or the pencils that are distributed. I mean, you really
Speaker 2: have to be an environmental hawk when you think about
Speaker 2: the number of items that are going to come into
Speaker 2: your son or daughter's possession while they're in school.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Actually, there's probably about nine big, big things
Speaker 4: to know about school. But I'll just give you a second.
Speaker 4: A lot of parents send their kids to school in uniforms, yes,
Speaker 4: and most of those school uniforms will say they're stain
Speaker 4: or water resistant, which means they're loaded with us forever
Speaker 4: chemicals which are absorbed through the skin and cause kidney
Speaker 4: cancer and infertility. So, as a parent who's sending their
Speaker 4: kids to school or maybe wearing a school uniform, maybe
Speaker 4: it's an athletic uniform, you know, as a parent, you
Speaker 4: really don't want them wearing that kind of stuff and
Speaker 4: you should demand of the school that alternatives are provided
Speaker 4: that are stain and water resistant, free from stain and
Speaker 4: water resistant chemicals like the forever chemicals that are so
Speaker 4: to interust our kids. And those are being sold now
Speaker 4: because people are becoming more aware. So you know, that
Speaker 4: would be another one, another thing to but but there
Speaker 4: are other things too. For example, what parents might not
Speaker 4: think a lot about is the kind of turf that
Speaker 4: their kids play their athletics on. You know, we've replaced
Speaker 4: so much grasples synthetic turf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, boy, I'll tell you You've got to have
Speaker 2: a lot of gumption as a parent to to to
Speaker 2: assert the concerns that legitimate concerns that you've identified, because
Speaker 2: I think that in most instances, the school we're going
Speaker 2: to look at that individual parent and say, you know,
Speaker 2: what do you what do you want us to do?
Speaker 2: We're not gonna We're not going to change the football field.
Speaker 2: It's September. And if if your kid doesn't want to
Speaker 2: play football, then don't have him played football. I mean
Speaker 2: that that's going to be a difficult spot for a
Speaker 2: parent too, in the in their in their efforts to
Speaker 2: protect their child, to assert a claim. Is are there
Speaker 2: any tips in your book which can guide people as
Speaker 2: to how to handle that sort of situation.
Speaker 4: Well, that you bring out such a great point. You
Speaker 4: can't move some things overnight. Fortunately, because more people are
Speaker 4: becoming aware of its, schools are becoming less reluctant to
Speaker 4: go to artificial turf. But honestly, there are some sports
Speaker 4: like soccer where the rate of cancer among goalies who
Speaker 4: are on the ground all the time on artificial turf
Speaker 4: are quite high. And I'd get my kid out of that,
Speaker 4: I really would. I kept them to take up another sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I mean, obviously parents can make those decisions.
Speaker 2: But the kid really wants to be a soccer goalie,
Speaker 2: that's going to be it's going to be a bit
Speaker 2: of a fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to be.
Speaker 4: You have to organize a green team at the school
Speaker 4: and work with the administration to make these changes right,
Speaker 4: because you're right, some of them are institutionalized.
Speaker 2: So raising healthy kids, protecting your children from hidden chemical toxins.
Speaker 2: That's available, I'm sure of bookstores and also on Amazon. Correct,
Speaker 2: it is all right, David, Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Interesting conversation. I enjoyed it very much.
Speaker 4: Have a great night, thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: When we come back to be talking with Massachusetts congress
Speaker 2: Woman Laurie Trehan about the Steward healthcare crisis and how
Speaker 2: it's impacting her communities as well. Coming back on Nightside
Speaker 2: right after this