WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:06.360 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.679 Cool. I don't like that news about the Patriots. If 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.560 that's true, Judah was a great is a great player. 4 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:15.080 And unless there's something that they know that we don't know, 5 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.039 I don't know them. Pay them man the money he's 6 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.839 he deserves it. My name's Dan Ray. Uh, little sports 7 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:27.280 commentary there, so no problem at all. Uh. We are 8 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.679 here not to talk about sports, but to talk about 9 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:32.960 a variety of issues, a variety of issues. In the 10 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.240 first hour, we'll be talking with four different guests tonight. 11 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.560 Once again, we have a Dan and Rob doing double 12 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:43.960 duty back in the control room. So when you call 13 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.560 in tonight after nine o'clock. At nine o'clock, by the way, 14 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.799 we'll be speaking with Congresswoman Laurie trahan She represents the 15 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.840 third congressional district here in Massachusetts, and we will continue 16 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.479 to talk about the Stewart healthcare crisis and how it's 17 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.240 going to impact potentially three hospitals in hurt district. So 18 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.759 we'll talk with Lori Trehanne, and then later on tonight 19 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.760 a peace in the Boston Globe today, which is really 20 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:11.400 interesting journalism in which the Boston Globe has called on 21 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.400 the carpet Governor Healy and the Healthy administration over the 22 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.840 lack of transparency dealing with questions about the emergency shelter 23 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.280 situation here in Massachusetts, and really a very interesting journalistic 24 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.760 piece by The Globe today in which they they dug 25 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.159 deep into the into the records as far as they 26 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.840 could go. But we'll talk about that sometime after we spoke. 27 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.480 We speak with congress Congresswoman Laurie Trahan. Right now, we're 28 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.640 gonna speak with John Hancock. No, not that John Hancock, 29 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.640 another modern day John Hancock, who is the Boston Globe 30 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.640 senior news room developer, John Hancock. I'm thrilled to speak 31 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.719 with you because I've never actually spoken to someone who 32 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:56.200 has the name John Hancock. 33 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.439 How are you? How good? How are you? 34 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.560 I think at one point the Red Sox had an 35 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:04.280 outfielder who didn't play many years. I think his last 36 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.599 name was Hancock. He was a left handed hitter. I 37 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.280 think sometimes in maybe the seventies or early eighties. You 38 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.759 don't recall that that player, do you b any chance? No? 39 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.800 Sure don't. Unfortunately, playing with. 40 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.680 That name playing for the Red Sox, you think it 41 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.639 would have been a perfect match but didn't work out. 42 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:23.159 But so you're the senior newsroom developer at the Boston Globe. 43 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.199 I'm unfamiliar. What does that mean? What do you do 44 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.840 as the senior newsroom developer if I could ask? Sure? 45 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.360 So, I work on a lot of our digital projects, 46 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.439 our larger projects that we do where we have some 47 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:41.120 sort of special web web presence. Our newsroom development team 48 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:44.280 works on building those out, and then we also work 49 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:47.840 a lot on data. We do a lot of graphics 50 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.919 for all of the all of the newsroom, and a 51 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.240 lot of times we'll do stories based on that data. 52 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:00.800 I had a piece right before the finals how this 53 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.240 Celtics teams compared to other great Celtics teams in the past. 54 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.960 So we'll work on we'll take data and we'll make 55 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:07.639 stories out of it. 56 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.879 Well, that's great, uh, and and some I think that 57 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.560 the graphics in the Globe have really gotten better over 58 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.360 the last few years in terms of trying to explain something. 59 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.000 There was a very interesting graphic on the front page 60 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.520 of the Globe today. It's a what and then it's 61 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.759 looked like obviously a lot of a lot of words 62 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:31.080 were redacted, but when you read what the state won't 63 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.080 say about the shelter crisis. It was a very effective 64 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.599 top of the fold graphic. I don't know if you 65 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.800 had anything to do with that one, but it's certainly 66 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.759 caught my eye this morning, that's for sure. You more 67 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:46.479 importantly are doing some graphics dealing with Boston potholes. I 68 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:52.879 figured the pothole season here in Boston or in New 69 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.520 England was about over, but I guess it's not. 70 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:58.960 Well, it's you know, it's a year long thing. But 71 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.960 you are you are right in that aspect in one 72 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.360 and that for the most part, pothole season in Boston 73 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.319 tends to be the first four months of the year. 74 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.599 Based on data that we've looked at from pothole requests 75 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.240 in the Boston three to one one system, more than 76 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.160 half of all the requests that they get for pothole 77 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.079 repairs happened in the months of January through March. 78 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.560 Well, you know what's interesting about potholes is that I 79 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.240 believe that if you hit a pothole and you do 80 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:33.959 damage to your car, and you can prove, however, you 81 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.720 can prove that that you do damage to your car, 82 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.519 that some cities in towns are willing to at least 83 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.319 consider whether or not that pothole which damaged your car 84 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.480 they should be responsible for. Are you aware of that or. 85 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.839 No, I'm just I'm not aware that's a policy in 86 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.240 Boston or not. But I have heard that there are 87 00:04:55.319 --> 00:05:00.600 other cities that will compensate drivers, as said, if they 88 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.720 can prove that that pothole is responsible for the damage 89 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:04.120 to their car. 90 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.079 So, what's the status of potholes in Boston. Obviously, we're 91 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.600 in Old City. We have extremes in temperature. Sometimes we 92 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.800 get below zero and sometimes we get above ninety. And 93 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.839 I assumed that, and and there's a lot of big, 94 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:26.560 heavy trucks that that Roma City streets. What's the status 95 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:27.759 here in Boston? 96 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.160 We Yeah, all the all of the traffic and weather 97 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.639 are all be contributing factors to potholes so far. So 98 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.160 we looked at data going back to twenty fourteen on 99 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.600 a year by year basis on a number of requests 100 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.720 that the city gets to repair those potholes in twenty 101 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.519 twenty four. This year we're just under eighty eight hundred requests, 102 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:53.040 which is seventy four percent of the total that twenty 103 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.199 twenty three had, which was just short of twelve thousand, 104 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.399 so I think in twenty twenty three was a little 105 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.519 less than the thirteen thousand or so that the city 106 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.959 had in twenty twenty two. My guess is that because 107 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:10.360 you know, we get a majority of those potholes in 108 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.120 the first four months of the year, that the pace 109 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.000 will slow down as the year goes, as the rest 110 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.680 of the year plays out, and we'll probably finish about 111 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:19.759 where twenty twenty three and twenty twenty two were. 112 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:20.680 Well. 113 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.600 Of course, last winter correct me if I'm wrong, was 114 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.360 a filling mile winter. We didn't have a lot of 115 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.199 big no big snowstorms that I remember. Is that a 116 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.240 factor too? Do you think in the diminution potholes this year? 117 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.319 Absolutely? For sure. You know a lot of times what 118 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.920 you'll a lot of what you'll see is, you know, 119 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.439 water gets in the cracks in the street, that water freezes, 120 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.639 and when it freezes it expands, so it pushes that 121 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.000 out a little bit. When it falls that the material 122 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.000 is loosened up, and then traffic just kind of wears 123 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.879 it away. The more of those freeze fall cycles you have, 124 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.759 the more you know it's going to contribute to you 125 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:05.480 having a greater number of potholes and then construction in 126 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:10.399 the city and traffic are also contributing factors. We saw 127 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.879 in twenty and twenty twenty one the number of pothole 128 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:18.279 requests dipped below ten thousand for the first time since 129 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:20.839 twenty sixteen, and a lot of that had to do, 130 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.480 we assume with COVID and they're being less traffic in 131 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.160 those years. So as the pandemic ended in traffic picked 132 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.040 back up, we saw those numbers climbed back up in 133 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:32.839 twenty twenty two. 134 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.879 So my last question is, is there any indication to you 135 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.000 in the studies that you've done that there are more 136 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.879 potholes in one section of Boston or or or as 137 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.160 they spread pretty evenly. 138 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.000 So we took a look at the three one one 139 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.240 request data for the repair has the neighborhood that it 140 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.240 is that the pothole is appearing in. We found that 141 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.000 Dorchester and the Austin Brighton in Downtown financial district make 142 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.079 up a little more than a quarter of all requests 143 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.959 for the city. Obviously, Dorchester is one of the bigger neighborhoods, 144 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.399 as is the Austin Brighton area. Downtown has a lot 145 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.120 of traffic, so that kind of plays out with what 146 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.079 we would expect if there be more area and more traffic, 147 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.639 that you're going to have more potholes. All that is 148 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.079 to say is that, in addition to that, just because 149 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.160 the city gets a request for pothole repair, it doesn't 150 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:33.000 necessarily mean that it's a pothole that they're responsible for. 151 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.960 Sometimes those potholes are on private property and it would 152 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.159 be the owner's responsibility to repair it. Sometimes those potholes 153 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.840 peer around utility castings, and then in that case it's 154 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.720 the utility company that is responsible for repairing it. 155 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.039 So I've learned that there's a lot more to the 156 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.320 pothole dilemma, the pothole problem than meets the eye. And 157 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.240 I appreciate John Hancock. By the way, I have double 158 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.120 checked I was right. The Red Sox did have an 159 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.679 outfielder who had your last name. Gary Hancock played here 160 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.200 in the late seventies and into the early eighties, here 161 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.799 for about four seasons, and over that time he had 162 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.840 a little bit of an impact here, did better work 163 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.320 playing for Oakland than he did for the Red Sox. 164 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.320 But there was indeed an alfielder who played for the 165 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.559 Red Sox in the late seventies and eighties. His name 166 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.879 was Gary Hancock. I don't know if he's a relation 167 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:23.600 or not, but I wanted to be aware of it. 168 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.960 I just remember the name in the back of my 169 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.440 mind and I had to finish the play here and 170 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.559 double check to make sure it's correct. 171 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.000 Okay, thank you. 172 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.240 Thanks much. John Hancock, not the original, but Boston Globes 173 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.879 John Hancock. We're very happy that he joined us tonight. 174 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.720 He's the senior newsroom developer. When we get back, we're 175 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.240 going to talk a little music, well not really, We're 176 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.960 going to talk about Donald Trump's the music that has 177 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:53.720 played at Donald Trump campaign events, and there's some controversy here. 178 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.720 Some of the musicians are not happy that their music 179 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.440 is being associated with the Trump campaign. We'll talk with 180 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:04.039 patent professor, an attorney's been here before, John Risby about 181 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:09.080 where this story may eventually go back on Nightside right 182 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.159 after this break on a Wednesday night. It is halfway 183 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:12.759 through the week. 184 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.320 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 185 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.519 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 186 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:26.759 All right, I want to talk now about this. This 187 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:33.840 is not politics, but in most political campaigns, candidates they 188 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:40.039 like to identify with a popular music, songs that make 189 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:45.200 people get up and dance. But sometimes those artists don't 190 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.240 like to be associated with the candidates who have chosen 191 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.360 their songs with us. As John Risvey, he's a lawyer, 192 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.320 he's called the patent professor. We're really talking about copyright 193 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:59.919 law here, Professor Risvey. Welcome back to Nightside, Hawaii. 194 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.879 Yeah good, it's always a pleasure to be here. Thank you. 195 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.039 It's interesting, I guess according to the article that I read, 196 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:14.000 Donald Trump uses the Village People's YMCA song a lot. 197 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.080 He comes out and kind of dances of that. They 198 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.919 have not raised, as I understand that a complaint, but 199 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.000 other artists have. What's going on? 200 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:29.840 Yeah, so, I mean surprisingly they did complain in twenty 201 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.039 sixteen when he used it back then, but I mean 202 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.720 this time we haven't heard anything. I don't know if 203 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.360 it's that we haven't heard a complaint yet, but I 204 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.519 you know, certainly that's unusual. 205 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.679 But well, I hope the artists haven't passed on to 206 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.759 the big YMCA in the sky. 207 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:48.519 Yeah. 208 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.519 The fact that it's surprising to not get a complaint, 209 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.960 it seems because there's just so many that have stepped 210 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.919 forward this time, because when they get a complaint, typic 211 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.960 what happens is the politicians will switch and move on 212 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.799 to something else. But in the case of Donald Trump, 213 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:10.159 he's had complaints from Phil Collins, Elton, John Guns n' Roses, 214 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.279 Prince Tom. I mean, it's Ceylon beyond. The list just 215 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:15.559 goes on and on. 216 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.360 The state, the state. I think if I'm not mistaken 217 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.279 of Isaac Hayes, Isaac obviously having in the state himself, 218 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:22.879 has passed on. 219 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.480 Yeah, yep, exactly. 220 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:25.799 Uh. 221 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.679 But you know too, in all fairness, this is not 222 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.759 something unusual just to Donald Trump. But like Bruce Springsteen, 223 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.039 uh sent a season desist to Ronald Reagan for use 224 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.720 of Born in the USA. 225 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:41.440 Like the. 226 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:48.720 George Bush has received cease and desists for Bobby mcferran's 227 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.720 Don't Worry Be Happy. Uh, Bob Dole has received them. 228 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:58.759 This is not unusual. Unfortunately, it's not. Uh, it's something 229 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.840 that you know, it's against the law. It's not it's 230 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:06.159 a violation of copyright law. And it keeps happening. And 231 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.840 there's you know, part of the issue. 232 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:12.799 With Professor I'm seeing a pattern here. I think you 233 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:17.480 said Bruce Springsteen was upset with Ronald Reagan. Others were 234 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.399 upset with George Bush, Bob Dole, Donald Trump, have any 235 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.279 of the Democratic presidential campaigns have had a complain about 236 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:30.240 I mean, Bill Clinton used to use the song, you know, 237 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.720 but you know, keep thinking about tomorrow. I remember every 238 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.559 time I was at a Clinton event back in the 239 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.879 nineties that that that's that was a Stevie Nick song, 240 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:39.879 if I'm not mistaken. 241 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.519 Yeah, So I mean, in fairness, though I guess I 242 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.720 may have. I gave a lot of examples that were 243 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.639 Republican candidates, but Obama was received deceased and assist from 244 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.879 Sam Moore for hold On, I'm coming. So it's not 245 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.240 exclusively Republican candidates. But but artists in general are are 246 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.799 leaning towards the Democratic ticket, right, so that there's going 247 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.480 to be, you know, there are going to be I 248 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:12.159 guess some party lines regarding music in copyright in frenchmen 249 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.879 who complains and when? But it hasn't been exclusively Republicans, 250 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.960 but I will give you you you're right, it's been 251 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:25.440 pretty you know, certainly in favor of Republican candidates getting 252 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.639 being under the tail end of eating. 253 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.720 The opposition to it might be the way to think 254 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.120 about it. It's really interesting. Remember I think it was 255 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.320 Michael Jordan when he was asked about not endorsing some 256 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:47.000 Republican candidate who was running for office, or endorse I 257 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.639 should say a Democratic candidate over Republican, he said something like, well, 258 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.799 Republicans by sneakers too. So if you would think that, 259 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.240 you know, some of these artists might be delighted that 260 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.879 their songs are being resurrected some basis. I mean, YMCA 261 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.039 has to put out a record in a long time. 262 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.200 If that group, the village people haven't put out a record, 263 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.559 I don't think in a long time. 264 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.519 Yeah, so I don't. It's and that's I think you 265 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.000 hit the nail on the head. It's not just an 266 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:23.399 economic concern because even if the you know, the politicians 267 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:27.879 would pay licensing fees, the licensing fees are our pennies 268 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.639 in the grand scheme of things, compared to the costs 269 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:34.360 of their campaign. So it's not that they're not asking 270 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.840 permission because they don't want to pay the licensing fees. 271 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.039 That's not it. Part of it is if you you 272 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:44.120 know the the old adage that it's easier to ask forgiveness, 273 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.399 uh than permission if you ask permission, and they pretty 274 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.240 much know the answer is going to be No, then 275 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.559 then you really look bad if you go ahead and 276 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:57.600 do it anyway. So I think they've taken the route 277 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.000 of let's not ask permission, let's go ahead and do it. 278 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.279 If we receive a cease and desist, we will, uh 279 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.320 in some cases switch to a different artist. But unfortunately 280 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.799 in other cases they just they just continue anyway. And uh, 281 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.399 that's that's what's concerning to me as a intellectual property 282 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:21.159 attorney I do patent, trademark and copyright law. Is that 283 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.639 that it's just it's just blatant infringement. In a lot 284 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.039 of cases, this isn't fair use. This isn't a situation 285 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:33.240 where uh, they're they're making political statements using the music. 286 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.120 That's actually using the music which should be licensed, and 287 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.639 they're not licensing the rights. They're not paying, uh, but 288 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.360 they're not asking permission either. 289 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:47.840 So let's let's assume that Donald Trump is an example. 290 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.480 He's pretty litigious. Let's assume that he said, well, you know, 291 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.399 I'm going to pay whatever the the nominal fee is 292 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:02.080 to be able to use Bruce Brings. Would the artist 293 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.279 then be basically foreclosed from from any sort of legal 294 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:08.599 action or over that. 295 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.839 No, No, because it's not just uh, yes, you do 296 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.160 have to pay the fee, but it's not just the fee. 297 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:19.119 You have to get permission. And for some of these artists, 298 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:24.640 they don't really care about the licensing fee so much 299 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:30.200 as alienating their fans, because certainly, if their music is 300 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.400 played at a Trump campaign, a lot of fans are 301 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.960 going to assume, oh that, you know, the Bruce Spring 302 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.599 springten is a is a Trump fan or whatnot. They're 303 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.440 going to assume an affiliation, and the loss of their 304 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:49.319 fan base could be substantially more than the pitdly small 305 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.880 amount of licensing fees they might get for playing the 306 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.200 song at a at a campaign. And remember it's all 307 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:01.319 these are not long term licensing, uh you know, a 308 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.839 money stream that's going to continue for years. In November, 309 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.119 it's all over. So it's not something that oh, you 310 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.000 know what, let's go ahead and give them permission because 311 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.079 we're going to have a steady stream of income for 312 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:16.000 the next several years. No, it's just a really short blip, 313 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.680 but their lost stand base might be forever sure, and 314 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.680 it might quarter be associated with a politician they don't 315 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.039 want to have anything. 316 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:24.119 To do with. 317 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.160 Well, of course with Donald Top he will always have 318 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:33.480 kid Rock. Hey, Professor Risby, thank you so much. Always 319 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:36.000 great to talk to you though, always an enjoyable experience. 320 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.000 Thanks so much, it is I love it. Thank you 321 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:39.400 so much. 322 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.720 You bet you have a great night. All right. When 323 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.279 we get back here on Night's Side, right after the 324 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:47.799 news break at the bottom of the hour, we're going 325 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.640 to talk about a little bit of maybe of a 326 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.359 more serious issue, and that is how to stop second 327 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.599 guessing yourself. Going to talk with doctor Judith Orloff. She 328 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.680 has a new book out which she's going to talk about, 329 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.799 did you Genius of Empathy? Practical Skills to heal your 330 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.319 sensitive self? Back on nights Side six one, seven, four, 331 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.519 ten thirty is the number, but don't dial that until 332 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:12.160 after nine o'clock. My name's Dan Ray. It's a Wednesday night, 333 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.160 Wednesday night, August fourteenth. We are coming to the middle 334 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.440 of August. Ladies and gentlemen, of the summer is slowly 335 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.079 but surely starting to slide by. That is not a 336 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.200 good feeling for us here in New England. Back on 337 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.359 Nightside right after this. 338 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:30.480 It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 339 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.359 Our next guest is doctor Judith Orloff. She has written 340 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.440 a new book, The Genius of Empathy. She's a leading 341 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.240 psychiatrist in the field of empathy and a member of 342 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:46.359 the UCLA Psychiatric Clinical Staff. Doctor Orloff, Welcome back to Nightside. 343 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.039 But I understand that the forward of your new book, 344 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.880 The Genius of Empathy was written by the Dali Lama. 345 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:58.960 How'd you get to Dali Lama to write a forward? 346 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.720 Are you in the Ai Lama buddies? And what's the deal? 347 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.359 Well, one of the really most important and sentences that 348 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:10.519 Dali Lama has is increasing empathy and compassion. That's you know, 349 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.599 his mission and that's what's important to him. So I 350 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:17.160 just submitted the book and he read it and he 351 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.319 said I want to do the forward to it. So 352 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:23.519 it was, you know, big honor, and it really emphasizes, 353 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:26.799 you know the importance of a life that is based 354 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.160 on empathy and intuition, which is which is his and 355 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.319 it's you know, he's a role model for me. And 356 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.839 so I'm just really happy to have gotten that forward. 357 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.119 Okay, I'm sure the Dalai Lama has never second gainst 358 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.880 the second guest himself, but most of us second guests 359 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:48.680 ourselves in many different ways. We look at our GPS, 360 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.000 Am I am I taking the right GPS? If I have, 361 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:56.359 I put the right address in here. Sometimes even you 362 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:58.319 go back and you lock the door when you leave 363 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.079 the Did I really lock that? I mean? Is that 364 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.480 the sort of second guessing you're talking about? Are you 365 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.400 talking about the more serious second guessing? When I don't know, 366 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.640 you either leave a job or you take a job 367 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.880 buyer's regret tell us. But when you say second guessing, 368 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:14.920 exactly what you mean. 369 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:20.200 Second guessing refers to everything you just said. It could 370 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.119 be a more minor incident, or it can be really, 371 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.720 you know, a huge one in terms of you doubting 372 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:29.519 yourself and the decisions that you make. And that's why 373 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:33.519 it's important to trust your intuition, which is the still 374 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.000 small voice inside that will tell you the truth about things, 375 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.079 and not to second guess yourself and not to wave 376 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.880 even if other people have different opinions, Because people have 377 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.359 lots of opinions, they have a lot of unsolicited advice 378 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:51.799 that they give. And it's important in terms of empathy 379 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:57.160 to trust yourself, to have empathy with yourself and trust 380 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.039 that little voice inside that's saying, don't get into that 381 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.519 business deal. This is not going to turn out well, 382 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.039 and then your mind by say, oh, but you're getting 383 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:09.240 so much money from it, but your intuition is saying no, 384 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:10.480 don't go there. 385 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:15.240 Okay, so there, okay. So how do you distinguish intuition 386 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.079 and mind. It sounds to me like unless what you're 387 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:23.799 saying is unless you're really confident in certain because I 388 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:27.319 got to assume every big decision we make in life, 389 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.160 whether it's getting married, ivan children, picking a college to 390 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:35.039 go to, whatever it is, you have to have those 391 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:39.039 moments of self doubt. Isn't that what's normal for most people? 392 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.880 I mean? Or is it people supposed to say, I 393 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.440 know what I want to buy. I want to buy 394 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.079 that car. That's the only type. There are people like that, 395 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:48.759 But I think most of us say, well, yeah, I 396 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.000 like that car, but I kind of like that car too. 397 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.319 Is that not just part of being human to do 398 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.799 always sort of second guess yourself or am I way 399 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:00.400 on face? 400 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:07.440 Well, it's being human doubting yourself, you know. And part 401 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:09.759