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Speaker 2: mine for almost twenty years. His name is Adam Dice.
Speaker 2: Adam is a decorated US Air Force veteran and educator,
Speaker 2: and now he's a published author because he has written
Speaker 2: a new book called Faithful Leadership Lessons of How and
Speaker 2: Why to Lead as a Christian. He says that this
Speaker 2: is a compelling resource for Christians seeking to understand and
Speaker 2: live out their leadership purposes with faith and integrity. And
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that's important these
Speaker 2: days to talk about. So that's part of the reason
Speaker 2: why I asked Adam to come on the show this week.
Speaker 2: And let's let's talk about his book. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: what motivated him to write this book in the first place,
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Speaker 2: few minutes and talking with Adam about this book. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: I burst off. I want to welcome you, Adam, to
Speaker 2: the Right Side Radio show. I know you've been listening
Speaker 2: pretty much as long as you and I have been friends,
Speaker 2: which is almost twenty years at this point. But this
Speaker 2: is your first appearance on the Right Side, So welcome
Speaker 2: to the Right Side.
Speaker 3: Yes it is, and you're correcting that, and it has
Speaker 3: been a long time, and it's everybody as good as
Speaker 3: they come there, Jack, I appreciate your time and having
Speaker 3: me own this that there.
Speaker 2: Well, Adam, you know I talked about when I introduced
Speaker 2: you that you're a decorated US Air Force veteran. Tell me,
Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about you know, your service
Speaker 2: to this country, you know what it meant to you,
Speaker 2: And just tell me what led you to join the military,
Speaker 2: let alone the Air Force.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair question. I did it backwards as compared to
Speaker 3: how most people probably do it. You entered right out
Speaker 3: of high school. In high school, I was involved in
Speaker 3: a JRTC program and I took a liking to it.
Speaker 3: For lack of better terms, but I accepted some scholarships elsewhere.
Speaker 3: I went on to college straight out of high school,
Speaker 3: and later in life, I got in. By that time,
Speaker 3: I already had begun my career in coaching and as
Speaker 3: an educator, and I realized I was getting a little
Speaker 3: older and I was not going to be getting any younger.
Speaker 3: So I always had that desire to serve, and I
Speaker 3: realized at that point. I believe I was twenty six
Speaker 3: years old when I decided to enter, and I entered
Speaker 3: the Mississippi Air National Guard, because if I waited much
Speaker 3: longer than that, it would have been a little harder
Speaker 3: to joint, from my perspective, but a little harder to assimilate. Marriage, children,
Speaker 3: All those things can happen, obviously, in those things are blessings,
Speaker 3: but you don't want to just go join an additional
Speaker 3: organization that's going to be very time consuming. When you
Speaker 3: have all those things, it's better to if you're going
Speaker 3: to do it, go ahead and do it. And it's
Speaker 3: it's an honor to serve. But ultimately, I just wanted
Speaker 3: to serve my country. And there were some benefits too.
Speaker 3: For example, I wanted to go back to school and
Speaker 3: continue my education. And the Montgomery GI Bill and the
Speaker 3: post nine eleven GI Bill were certainly incentives to do so,
Speaker 3: but it was a strong desire to serve which led
Speaker 3: me there initially.
Speaker 2: Adam, now you're an educator a baseball coach, so you're
Speaker 2: a high school baseball coach. You also teach your classes.
Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me what called you to education.
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in a home where both my
Speaker 3: parents were educators, and they were the first in their
Speaker 3: family to go to college. So they instilled in me
Speaker 3: the values of education and making your own path in
Speaker 3: life and working hard for what you have and coming
Speaker 3: from very humble means. They kind of showed me the
Speaker 3: ropes there, so to speak, and that's kind of what
Speaker 3: set my direction for the most part and planning to
Speaker 3: see for for the early go. But there were courses
Speaker 3: that I always found interesting that I wouldn't mind teaching
Speaker 3: that are a hobby of sorts to mine, and that
Speaker 3: and the umbrella of social studies, whether it's American history
Speaker 3: or US government or even economics. I'd rather enjoyed those
Speaker 3: pretty much my whole life, and that will be something
Speaker 3: I could take pleasure in doing for a career. And
Speaker 3: on the coaching side. I grew up playing sports. Baseball
Speaker 3: was my favorite as the one that has always been
Speaker 3: my favorite hobby anything associated with it, even if it's
Speaker 3: cutting a baseball field, or watching a baseball game or
Speaker 3: playing in a baseball game. So I thought there could
Speaker 3: be a lot of competitive energy there, and I also
Speaker 3: thought that there would be a good way to impact
Speaker 3: kids moving forward now I had looking back, there were
Speaker 3: several teacher mentors that really helped me out along the way,
Speaker 3: but anybody who played high school sports, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: some of their greatest influences were their coaches. So I
Speaker 3: understood my father was a coach. I understood that the impact,
Speaker 3: whether it's positive or negative, that a coach can have,
Speaker 3: and I thought it would be a good platform to
Speaker 3: try to bear positive impact for others, to pay it
Speaker 3: back all the incentives and the good things and the
Speaker 3: lessons I got from it. I thought that I was
Speaker 3: do that for a living as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's important too, because you're right about a
Speaker 2: coach's influence on their students, the athletes playing under them,
Speaker 2: making a asting memory. Because I can still name off
Speaker 2: several of the coaches I played for when I was younger,
Speaker 2: and some I can name off with nothing but positivity,
Speaker 2: and there some that I name off and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that one. I hoping that you're
Speaker 2: on the on the plus side when it comes to
Speaker 2: the impact you're making those kids.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, me too. And that's that's certainly the intent.
Speaker 3: And I put forth a lot of effort and very
Speaker 3: cognizant of that. And that is absolutely the reason I
Speaker 3: went into the career field. To create opportunities, positive opportunities
Speaker 3: for kids that maybe I didn't have or that maybe
Speaker 3: could have them, but maybe they can get additional opportunities
Speaker 3: or better opportunities. That was a driving factor as to
Speaker 3: why I wanted to go into it. But as you
Speaker 3: just said said, looking back on it, you can name
Speaker 3: very positive coaches. They pop in your mind. They probably
Speaker 3: popping your mind quicker than say your english or maths
Speaker 3: teacher does.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: With with a number of memories and how deeply they're
Speaker 3: seated in the air and your brain and your experiences
Speaker 3: and your recollection of the things you gained from it.
Speaker 3: Because you're so involved. When you're an athlete, you're so engaged,
Speaker 3: it matters so much to you. So those same good
Speaker 3: lessons that that English teacher can offer. It certainly bring
Speaker 3: a little louder because you're an athlete. They stick with
Speaker 3: you a little longer in my experience, But whether they
Speaker 3: were positive or negative, there's still a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: that can be beneficial to a kid. I've say back
Speaker 3: myself of positive impacts like you can that matter a lot,
Speaker 3: But I can also think back to some negative circumstances
Speaker 3: that I also learned from that I also won't forget.
Speaker 3: Both of those things, no matter the type, have given
Speaker 3: direction to my path and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2: You know, Adam, You've always been politically motivated because you're
Speaker 2: someone who's helped us on multiple campaigns for Chris McDaniel.
Speaker 2: You're someone who I know, back back at twenty years
Speaker 2: ago when we first met, would sit down and have
Speaker 2: political conversations with me. How important is it to pass
Speaker 2: along or to explain what it means to be a conservative,
Speaker 2: especially when you've got all these outside forces that are
Speaker 2: trying to tell the youth that conservatism is something that
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it is significant. The reason I am so
Speaker 3: engaged and intrigued to show interest in politics, and I
Speaker 3: have for a long time, as you just stated, is
Speaker 3: not necessarily because it is politics, but it is because
Speaker 3: I am a patriotic person by nature. I have a
Speaker 3: son of principles and ideals and beliefs, and those ideals
Speaker 3: and beliefs are upheld more so by one side than
Speaker 3: the other. So not for the sake of lobbying for
Speaker 3: this party or that party or this canad or that candidate, necessarily,
Speaker 3: not for that per se, but more so to stand
Speaker 3: up for my principles and the fabric of my country
Speaker 3: that I loved, that I swore notes to Pertatie's constitution.
Speaker 3: That is what truly matters to me. And it just
Speaker 3: so happens that politically speaking, one side tends to satisfy
Speaker 3: those internal demands I have that satisfy my expectations, and
Speaker 3: that's acide that I align with. So it is those
Speaker 3: things are the reason that politics is interesting to me,
Speaker 3: and they are. It is interesting, but not for the
Speaker 3: sake of seeing who could collect the most folks, but
Speaker 3: who's gonna who's gonna stand for the same principles high standings.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that takes time to get to vet candidates. Uh,
Speaker 2: Because again, for for some of us that it gets
Speaker 2: harder as we get older, because we become more jaded,
Speaker 2: we don't believe in the system the way that we
Speaker 2: may have when we were younger, and our trust of
Speaker 2: politicians has worn dangerously.
Speaker 3: Then yes, that's correct. Uh. Fortunately, though one of the
Speaker 3: courses I teach in the K twelve seting currently is
Speaker 3: American government. We spend a fair amount of time of
Speaker 3: the Constitution, and I do allow for diverse thoughts. I
Speaker 3: certainly allow for that in the lectures, and I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of the Socratic method too, and I allow feedback students,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that everything I think is the
Speaker 3: only correct way necessarily, I certainly have ears to hear
Speaker 3: opposing opinions. However, it is a platform where I can
Speaker 3: teach the abcs of the government, its functions, how it works,
Speaker 3: and not necessarily a lobby for my principles. I do
Speaker 3: try to remain as neutral as I can, but my
Speaker 3: lessons are guided by those same principles. So it's a
Speaker 3: good platform by which I can appropriately make the case
Speaker 3: that the way things can sometimes be a little too
Speaker 3: far to the office side of my principles may not
Speaker 3: be correct. Let's consider the alternatives here and lay them.
Speaker 2: Out absolutely, And I think that's an important thing because
Speaker 2: no matter how deep rooted we are in our political philosophy,
Speaker 2: it's always important to know what the other side things
Speaker 2: and believes. It's not because you think you're going to
Speaker 2: be swayed by what they believe, but if you're going
Speaker 2: to have a counter argument to it, you have to
Speaker 2: know their side and their positions, or else, how do
Speaker 2: you make an argument that they're wrong or that their
Speaker 2: positions aren't going to lead us to the prosperity that
Speaker 2: we're hoping for unless you actually know them.
Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct, and you have to respect the
Speaker 3: diverse of the opposite opinion enough to actually ask the
Speaker 3: question first, hear them out, and explain your side, and
Speaker 3: if both heads are leveled. Take Charlie Kirk for example, Okay,
Speaker 3: you say this, he did such a fantastic job for
Speaker 3: the conservative movement. But what he was really really good at,
Speaker 3: one of the very many things he was phenomenal at,
Speaker 3: was he would allow he would ask the question, then
Speaker 3: he would in his segment prove me wrong, very famous segment,
Speaker 3: and then he would allow them to say whatever they
Speaker 3: wanted to, and that he would give his sight of
Speaker 3: it any retort he would have for rebuttal and typically
Speaker 3: those people who are lobbying against it. It seemed to
Speaker 3: me in many cases, if not most, they were lobbying
Speaker 3: because it's what they have heard, is what they have
Speaker 3: been indoctrinated with. It wasn't necessarily what they believe. Frankly,
Speaker 3: they didn't have a belief system at all. They were
Speaker 3: doing a making a very trendy argument, which is fine.
Speaker 3: People were entitled to make trendy arguments. They're entitled to
Speaker 3: have opinions opposite of mine. But if both sides can
Speaker 3: play on a level field, you state why you think
Speaker 3: what you think, and I state why I think what
Speaker 3: I think in neither and both of us be willing
Speaker 3: to concede if warranted. It is my opinion that the
Speaker 3: conservative way of doing things more often than that, we'll
Speaker 3: come out on top as being more logical, more foundational. Well,
Speaker 3: conservatives safer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're one hundred percent accurate. The conservative point
Speaker 2: of view is the more logical the too. A lot
Speaker 2: of liberalism is pure emotion and reaction, and we've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of times, especially those of us who have
Speaker 2: lived our own experiences, when we make choices based more
Speaker 2: on emotion. That's when we typically get ourselves in trouble,
Speaker 2: and that's that's always been a large portion of my
Speaker 2: issue when it comes to liberal ideas, because they sound
Speaker 2: good when they're trying to sell you. It's stuff like
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to feed the world. But then when
Speaker 2: you start asking questions like how are we going to
Speaker 2: pay for it, how are we going to do this,
Speaker 2: what do we do here, what do we do there,
Speaker 2: you start to understand that logically it's it's not going
Speaker 2: to work out. Plus, being somebody that's for a smaller government,
Speaker 2: a government that is not controlling, you can't side on
Speaker 2: the side of a group that's trying to say that
Speaker 2: we need to expand government to take care of folks.
Speaker 2: Because there was a time at them back in the
Speaker 2: day when the churches stepped up to help these people
Speaker 2: in need. Now it seems like everybody's just waiting for
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam to come and start giving them a handout.
Speaker 2: It's not the same as it was when I was younger.
Speaker 2: I dare say when you were younger, because and I'm
Speaker 2: not saying churches aren't involved, but they're not involved at
Speaker 2: the level that they were when I was younger.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. A couple of responses here off
Speaker 3: of what you just said, if I may, in the
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk debates, that we were just reverencing and you
Speaker 3: just use a buzzword. I believe it was three times
Speaker 3: as you were explaining all that, which I agree with
Speaker 3: all of it. But logical was the words you used
Speaker 3: when you compare that to some of these debates, and
Speaker 3: that both people are on even ground and there's a
Speaker 3: legitimate conversation on both sides willing to concede the conservatives
Speaker 3: and usually end up on top because their arguments are
Speaker 3: more logical, is my opinion. I still I still hold
Speaker 3: hold to that. I still believe that to be true. However,
Speaker 3: you do see debates on television and elsewhere out in
Speaker 3: the community, one on one with personally yourself on occasion
Speaker 3: when you're getting into such a debate and both sides
Speaker 3: aren't that way, and it's just a spewing of what
Speaker 3: they've heard or what they've been indoctrinated with or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's trendy. As I just stated, okay, there's no logic there,
Speaker 3: and you cannot speak logic to the illological. Uh if
Speaker 3: if if someone is not willing to think logically. The
Speaker 3: logical argument will not win. That that is something that
Speaker 3: I that I have noticed. But yes, I agree that
Speaker 3: the churches, uh dating back some time ago, had had
Speaker 3: a really big role and they were very, very involved.
Speaker 3: And one could argue that the church community is probably
Speaker 3: not as involved. But playing devil's advocate here, one might
Speaker 3: also argue that churches are equally as involved as they
Speaker 3: always has been per capital by percentage, but they're being
Speaker 3: overtaken by a larger percentage of people who are no
Speaker 3: longer engaged in the church.
Speaker 2: And that's fair. That's a fair point, you know. And
Speaker 2: I think part of the reason because we've seen a
Speaker 2: really a religion of government swoop in because they're even
Speaker 2: though they don't look at government as a deity or something,
Speaker 2: they still look to government to fix their problems instead
Speaker 2: of a savior. Or they are looking at a savior.
Speaker 2: The savior is whatever politician they hope to elect.
Speaker 3: Yes case endpoint. To support what you just say, years
Speaker 3: ago people would expect or look to or hope that
Speaker 3: a church community would be there in time of need.
Speaker 3: Is what the trend has been, it seems over the
Speaker 3: number of years decades is a trend away from church
Speaker 3: by government, where government can now be the big helping
Speaker 3: hand and it's become so commonplace. And the people that
Speaker 3: are being helped it does not matter whether from a
Speaker 3: church or a nonprofit organization or a government. Their issue
Speaker 3: is they need the help. Perhaps, so does it really
Speaker 3: matter to whom. However, they are going to acknowledge who
Speaker 3: it is that is trying to help them, and they
Speaker 3: just want the help, and they are willing to surrender
Speaker 3: in pockets anyway, in my opinion, they are willing to
Speaker 3: surrender those freedoms for that help. Because the bigger the
Speaker 3: government can become, the more helpful it can be to someone. Sure,
Speaker 3: the bigger the government becomes, the more power it has. Thus,
Speaker 3: the less freedom that is being helped have to help
Speaker 3: themselves is a cyclical, it's a spiral, and it's not
Speaker 3: trending in a positive direction in the case of freedom.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And before we get into talking about your book,
Speaker 2: you brought up Charlie Kirk, you know, and rest his soul.
Speaker 2: I mean, he died doing the very thing that he loved,
Speaker 2: and he died for freedom of speech. Unfortunately, because the
Speaker 2: person that shot him obviously wanted his voice silenced. And
Speaker 2: it's insane to me that we live in a time
Speaker 2: where one side that preaches tolerance but is the most
Speaker 2: untolerant group imaginable, and that's the modern American Liberal, because
Speaker 2: they're the ones, several of them, that celebrated the assassination
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk. Now I have to ask you, Adam,
Speaker 2: you know where were you when you got the news
Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk had been shot and let alone that
Speaker 2: he had lost his life, and what was your initial
Speaker 2: thoughts when you heard.
Speaker 3: I can tell you precisely where I was and exactly
Speaker 3: what I was doing, because there have been just a
Speaker 3: handful of incidences or occurrences in my lifetime, or I
Speaker 3: can do that so in my head, I suppose I've
Speaker 3: never really thought of it this way, but his assassination
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest moments in my lifetime because
Speaker 3: there are a lot of big, important things that happened.
Speaker 3: I can't remember where I was or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but I remember where I was with Katrina may Lampond.
Speaker 3: I remember what I was doing. I remember, even though
Speaker 3: I was much younger in life, exactly where I was sitting,
Speaker 3: the desk I was sitting in when nine to eleven occurred,
Speaker 3: when the first tower got struggled. I can tell you
Speaker 3: that specifically fast forward to that an event not directly
Speaker 3: related with me. I can recall no such situation where
Speaker 3: I can tell you exactly where I was, what I
Speaker 3: was doing until Charlie Kirk situation assassination. I was in
Speaker 3: the third base dugout at the school that I currently
Speaker 3: work out, trying to repair a wall, and the assistant
Speaker 3: coach approached me that says, you're not gonna believe this,
Speaker 3: and he told me the news, and he's correct. I
Speaker 3: didn't believe it. It was that evening I confirmed that
Speaker 3: it was in fact true.
Speaker 2: I was right there with because I got a text
Speaker 2: from somebody and it showed video. Now the video wasn't
Speaker 2: the graphic one we'd get later, and my first thought
Speaker 2: was is this real or is this AI? Because you, sadly,
Speaker 2: with all the AI videos were getting, we have to
Speaker 2: question that. And then the close up able that I
Speaker 2: hope most people didn't have to see. I saw it,
Speaker 2: and of course that one was the graphic one, and
Speaker 2: that was also the video where you realized Charlie probably
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna make it.
Speaker 3: When I saw the same thing not long after, I
Speaker 3: learned of the news and I did not know exactly
Speaker 3: what I was about to see, but he said, you're
Speaker 3: not gonna believe it, and he was correct. I didn't
Speaker 3: believe it. And then not long after that, he said, no,
Speaker 3: it really happened. To look, and he handed me his
Speaker 3: phone and I looked. I didn't know exactly what I
Speaker 3: was gonna see. Maybe it was an article, maybe it
Speaker 3: was a report from Fox News, but it was the
Speaker 3: video footage. And when I saw the video footage, my
Speaker 3: heart sank a little bit. I was disturbed a little bit,
Speaker 3: but I was also in denial a little bit, hoping
Speaker 3: that it was Ai. Not because it was Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: but because of the tragedy of the event, it could
Speaker 3: have been someone that was not a mainstream celebrity. That
Speaker 3: is a terrible thing to witness, but also my immediate
Speaker 3: thought right after that, hoping it was a I parshally
Speaker 3: in denial. Was it If that is indeed legitimate video
Speaker 3: footage that I just witnessed, it was my dolt. I'm
Speaker 3: not a medical doctor. It was my thault that he
Speaker 3: was not going to make it, judged by the wound
Speaker 3: that I saw and the immediate reaction of the wounds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it did not look promising if it were indeed truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but of course as a Christian you believe in miracles,
Speaker 2: and that's why until you got the the unfortunate news,
Speaker 2: you had faith that he might pull through.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the magic I think of our faith
Speaker 2: that people don't think about that we can see some
Speaker 2: of the most unimaginable things and hopeless things, but still
Speaker 2: understand that if God's will is to counteract that we
Speaker 2: can we can still see a surprise at the end.
Speaker 2: And that brings me to your new book, which is
Speaker 2: Faithful Leadership Lessons of How and Why to Lead as
Speaker 2: a Christian.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know.
Speaker 2: So faith Faith obviously just from the title right there
Speaker 2: is extremely important to you.
Speaker 3: It is it is to me as well. I went
Speaker 3: with that title. It's a pretty genaric title, but I
Speaker 3: wanted I had a couple of titles in mind, but
Speaker 3: I went with that title because, uh, faithful. The word
Speaker 3: faith is very significant to me. To me, Uh, you
Speaker 3: have different categories. I suppose people who profess to be
Speaker 3: a Christian, or that believes they are a Christian, or
Speaker 3: that are a Christian uh and some people UH times
Speaker 3: might assume that the fact that they go to church
Speaker 3: makes them right with God. Some people have religion, but
Speaker 3: maybe they're lacking in the faith department. The two things
Speaker 3: are in the same family, but they're not the same thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, and Adam, tell me, tell me what
Speaker 2: drove you to because again, I've known you for a
Speaker 2: long time. I've never once until you sent me the
Speaker 2: link to your book, never once heard you even talk
Speaker 2: about considering trying to write a book. What inspired you
Speaker 2: to write this book?
Speaker 3: Well, you didn't know that about me, because it never
Speaker 3: has been my attention to write one. And I do
Speaker 3: not have any intentions of being an author by a profession.
Speaker 3: I believe that I have been blessed with a job,
Speaker 3: a career thus far that has given me a platform
Speaker 3: to a positive change, and I work hard at that
Speaker 3: every day. So this is not a replacement of that
Speaker 3: however several years ago. Now I'm one of those people
Speaker 3: I just described. I've always been an air quotes here
Speaker 3: Christian right. I grew up in the church. I am
Speaker 3: a believer, I am saved by God's grace, but like
Speaker 3: everyone else, I'm also a sinner. I'm falling. I am.
Speaker 3: My flesh overcomes me more so than my faith more times,
Speaker 3: and that's something I will work on until I die.
Speaker 3: As long as God gives me a gift of life,
Speaker 3: I'll continue to work on that. I do not believe
Speaker 3: that I could ever be perfect, nor do I believe
Speaker 3: in anyone else can be. I believe in one example
Speaker 3: of perfection, and he left a model for us to follow.
Speaker 3: Us our job to through his will and for the
Speaker 3: purposes of advancing His kingdom, which is the reason for
Speaker 3: this life and all the gifts we have in it,
Speaker 3: and everything in this life is a gift, even if
Speaker 3: it's at first, but we are to use those gifts
Speaker 3: to advance His kingdom. The book tells us that we
Speaker 3: were making it for his purpose, not ours. So several
Speaker 3: years ago, though I'd always been a Christian and still
Speaker 3: I am a Christian, I begin to mature in my faith,
Speaker 3: if I can say it that way now. I believe
Speaker 3: that people naturally mature with age and experience, and as
Speaker 3: you grow older, you become a little less childish, a
Speaker 3: little more mature. And I'm certain that my maturity over time,
Speaker 3: I'm still maturity. I hope what is attributed to natural maturity, sure,
Speaker 3: but my faith maturity has gained some ground too, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot more ground to gain. But in that
Speaker 3: process several years back, I started to understand what gifts
Speaker 3: are and what opportunities are, and I realized that everything
Speaker 3: in this life is a gift. And I am a
Speaker 3: very educated person. I do not profess to be a theologian,
Speaker 3: a Rhodes scholar of any sword. There were many classes
Speaker 3: I struggled in, but I was able to stay the
Speaker 3: course and accumulate the number of degrees, ultimately earning a
Speaker 3: terminal one some years ago. So I saw those things
Speaker 3: as gifts, not just to put me in my civilian
Speaker 3: career path or military career path for that matter, either,
Speaker 3: but as gifts of experiences. And with those experiences, with
Speaker 3: all the classes and courses I had to go through
Speaker 3: over all the years. Not that I think I'm a
Speaker 3: wonderful writer, but I did learn to write a little bit.
Speaker 3: That is a gift. I had, thoughts formed, Those are
Speaker 3: gifts I was able to study, and I'm begin to
Speaker 3: study God's word for all the time, and the understanding
Speaker 3: and the questions I had, all of those things were gifts.
Speaker 3: So I learned that it was my responsibility to use
Speaker 3: those gifts, not for me not to get a little
Speaker 3: pay raise at my job, but to apply all those
Speaker 3: gifts to advance His kingdom for his purpose. And I
Speaker 3: avoided it. I avoided. I first had thoughts of writing
Speaker 3: a book some two or three years back, and I
Speaker 3: avoided it. And I wrote about this a bit in
Speaker 3: the book. I hid it from myself and justified it
Speaker 3: falsely to myself with I'm not a writer, I'm inadequate.
Speaker 3: Who am I to write? Okay? And then I would
Speaker 3: justify with, well, I'm really busy. I don't have time,
Speaker 3: and I do keep very long hours. If I did
Speaker 3: do it because of my hours, it probably wouldn't be
Speaker 3: very good. No one would read it. All these false things.
Speaker 3: That's how I justified not doing it. I procrastinated a
Speaker 3: kid for I ran from it. And then one day
Speaker 3: I realized that those thoughts can come from one of
Speaker 3: two origins, two points of origins, one is God and
Speaker 3: one is the enemy. And those thoughts were certainly we're
Speaker 3: not from God. And I begin to think I really
Speaker 3: should do this, I need to make a point to
Speaker 3: do it. Yet I still ran and then there was
Speaker 3: a series of events throughout my life, which which are
Speaker 3: detailed in the book, and I won't disclose all of
Speaker 3: them here this evening, but there's a series of events
Speaker 3: that explained that the answer to that very question that
Speaker 3: led me to a situation where I, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden had plenty of time to do what he intended
Speaker 3: me to do, what I was supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3: I can draw from all the experience that He had
Speaker 3: allowed me to have heading up to that point, I
Speaker 3: could use those gifts. I had time to use those gifts.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, I had other experiences that created
Speaker 3: the time that I now had to use those gifts,
Speaker 3: and I could draw from those experiences and what I
Speaker 3: took from them scripturally, what lessons I learned, Biblical lessons
Speaker 3: I learned from those experiences. And that's tell those stories
Speaker 3: so that other people can learn what I had learned,
Speaker 3: and perhaps do so in a fashion that I did not,
Speaker 3: do so in a fashion where they don't have to
Speaker 3: endure what I endured. And those things are in the book. So,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden I found myself where I didn't
Speaker 3: really care about credibility. I have plenty of time and
Speaker 3: whether it was convenient or inconvenient, I was going to
Speaker 3: do what I believe I was supposed to do. I
Speaker 3: believe that all the events in the book led me
Speaker 3: to this book. This book was the reason they happened.
Speaker 3: Not because the book's great, but because the messages in
Speaker 3: this book, if they find their hands to one person
Speaker 3: who can gain impact from that, and a ceed be
Speaker 3: planted and they can move to Christ, it has served
Speaker 3: as purpose, even for only one person. I believe everything
Speaker 3: leading up to this point in my life, whether there
Speaker 3: was education, learning how to write a little bit, negative experience,
Speaker 3: I went through, positive experiences I learned from were all
Speaker 3: for a purpose, and the purpose was to advance His kingdom.
Speaker 3: And this was my way to use my gifts that
Speaker 3: He gave me to advances kingdom to fulfill that purpose.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And of course, if I counted correctly, and you
Speaker 2: can tell me if I didn't, you had. You have
Speaker 2: nine chapters in this book.
Speaker 3: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2: You start off with the gift of leadership. Tell us
Speaker 2: a little bit about what people can expect in that
Speaker 2: first chapter.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, the first three or four chapter percent a
Speaker 3: book are gonna be a bit short. There is some
Speaker 3: brevity there. They are fairly clinical and might seem a
Speaker 3: little dry, but this is not a how to book,
Speaker 3: and as a book on poles, it starts to get
Speaker 3: into some personal stories and the lessons I took from them,
Speaker 3: but I had to send the table to bring the
Speaker 3: correct impact for the personal stories later. So I went
Speaker 3: over some concepts in the first couple of chapters, the
Speaker 3: first one being primarily about defining what leadership is and
Speaker 3: the one of the big take there. There is a
Speaker 3: personal story in there too that happened between a player
Speaker 3: and I some years ago. Uh and it's there was
Speaker 3: a moral to be to be learned there, and it
Speaker 3: was around the eerly burguson worm story, the old adage
Speaker 3: that everybody probably knows and about it. It's about perception.
Speaker 3: So the moral of the eerly Burgus worm, I asked
Speaker 3: the player one time, so went about the early bird
Speaker 3: getting the worm. I was talking to him about leadership,
Speaker 3: and he was a leader on the team. He did
Speaker 3: not necessarily want to be the leader because he as
Speaker 3: actually was a couple of players over time that I
Speaker 3: could bind into one character. He but it was the
Speaker 3: same story. He was just wanting to be one of
Speaker 3: the guys. He was one of our better players. He
Speaker 3: had a natural following. Everybody did as he did. But
Speaker 3: he just wanted to play. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: But I pointed out to him one day that we
Speaker 3: need to work on his leadership skills as coach. I
Speaker 3: don't want to be the team captain because to him,
Speaker 3: team captain is a title that would incur more responsibility.
Speaker 3: It would take away from his ability to just play
Speaker 3: the game. The game he played so well, and that's
Speaker 3: what he wanted to do. And I wanted to play
Speaker 3: the game well too. Frankly, we were better if he did.
Speaker 3: But I trusted him to be a leader, and he
Speaker 3: didn't really trust himself, or he didn't want to be
Speaker 3: bothered with responsibility for probably a litany of reasons. So
Speaker 3: he was in denial about that. And I asked him
Speaker 3: if he had ever heard the early bird getting the
Speaker 3: Worm story. He said he had. I asked him to
Speaker 3: explain what he meant what it meant. He said something
Speaker 3: to the effect of go and rise a day, get
Speaker 3: to the ball park early a conquer the day, reap
Speaker 3: its rewards. I said, yep, well, there is an assumption
Speaker 3: in your understanding of that moral. I said, that moral
Speaker 3: is probably correct. I said, but there's always two sides
Speaker 3: to every coin. I said, things in life are a
Speaker 3: matter of perception. They looked at me with a confused
Speaker 3: look about him. He said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: What is that story has to do with me being
Speaker 3: a leader? I said, what if you're the worm, the
Speaker 3: early worm gets eaten, Maybe the early bird gets the worm.
Speaker 3: The moral is not that you're the bird. You assume
Speaker 3: you're the bird. And who are you to dictate which
Speaker 3: you are the bird or the worm? Sometimes we can't.
Speaker 3: We're not in a position to accept our gifts. You
Speaker 3: have a gift to naturally lead. You don't get to
Speaker 3: choose whether you're the bird or the worm. The reason
Speaker 3: you are the leader, whether you realize it or not,
Speaker 3: whether you want to be or not, because whatever you do,
Speaker 3: whatever demeanor you have, how you carry up, how you
Speaker 3: carry yourself in a practice or a game, you have
Speaker 3: a following. Whether you wanted to follow you or not,
Speaker 3: Whether you realize or follow you or not is irrelevant.
Speaker 3: You can't always pick which one you are, So alter
Speaker 3: your perspective here a little bit. Acknowledge you have a following.
Speaker 3: He did and he embraced that, and we have one
Speaker 3: of the better seasons across my entire coaching career that
Speaker 3: season because they were going to follow him. And that's
Speaker 3: the scary thing about leadership. That's the underlying point of
Speaker 3: that chapter. The scary thing about leadership is you're following
Speaker 3: your masses are going to follow someone. If that's someone
Speaker 3: is a toxic leader, a negative leader, not very good, apathetic, selfish,
Speaker 3: any of those negative things, the team will surely follow.
Speaker 3: But if he is made aware that he has a
Speaker 3: following and he cares about his teammates, then he will
Speaker 3: try to fulfill that role. Well. He will try to
Speaker 3: even if just having a bad day at school or
Speaker 3: he's not feeling well, He's going to do the things
Speaker 3: necessary to make himself a bitter ballplayer. Everybody else is
Speaker 3: gonna follow suit. So that's the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 3: chapter one, and that kind of set the table to
Speaker 3: open up the book, just addressing the concept of leadership
Speaker 3: and talking about the scary side and the risk of
Speaker 3: who the leader might be.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and you pretty much go through a lot of
Speaker 2: that in the first three chapters, because the second chapter
Speaker 2: is lead Yourself, and then the next chapter after that
Speaker 2: is build your leadership structure. So you take pretty much
Speaker 2: those first three chapters to talk about not just you know,
Speaker 2: being a leader, but how to develop yourself as a leader.
Speaker 3: Correct that, that's correct, that that is the foundational theme,
Speaker 3: just to begin the book before we get into the
Speaker 3: personal stories. That was intended to give them as as
Speaker 3: much impact as they can once they got there. So
Speaker 3: that was me laying the foundation. Now Chapter two and
Speaker 3: chapter three are a little different in their own right, obviously,
Speaker 3: or they would have been loved in there with chapter one.
Speaker 3: But in chapter two, lead Yourself, there's an example of
Speaker 3: an airline stewardess and all the safety devices, and I'll
Speaker 3: let I'll let readers who feel like reading it read
Speaker 3: the story and get the examples. And so for the
Speaker 3: sake of brevity, I make the point in chapter two
Speaker 3: that you cannot give someone something you do not first have.
Speaker 3: So before you can lead anyone to Christ, you yourself
Speaker 3: must first must first have Christ. You must know who
Speaker 3: Christ is. You must be engaged with him, you must
Speaker 3: have a relationship with Him before you can consistently and
Speaker 3: effectively lead to others to Him. Just like on flight,
Speaker 3: you got to put your ostia mask on first before
Speaker 3: you render aid to anyone else in need. If you
Speaker 3: don't and you pass out and low oustin, you're useless.
Speaker 3: You cannot give someone something that you don't first have.
Speaker 3: That's the point of chapter two. Chapter three. The underlying
Speaker 3: point goes into surrounding yourself with leadership structure. And I
Speaker 3: use biblicals exactly in every chapter of multiple in every chapter.
Speaker 3: But one I used here was Jesus assembling his leadership structure,
Speaker 3: and that serves as a model for us that sometimes
Speaker 3: I address it. Sometimes it makes sense for us to
Speaker 3: hire our second in command or our lieutenants first, and
Speaker 3: then we go seek the subordinate leaders of the lower
Speaker 3: tier leaders that will help us move an organization forward.
Speaker 3: Whether it's a company, a congregation, a high school baseball team,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, is irrelevant, or whether it was the disciples.
Speaker 3: Jesus did not do it that way. He first assembled
Speaker 3: the twelve, and from the twelve organically he allowed them
Speaker 3: three of them the cream to rise, so to speak,
Speaker 3: and three of those became as close as confidence. So
Speaker 3: I go into that a little bit in chapter three,
Speaker 3: and I also put a non biblical example in there
Speaker 3: of the football dynasty of University of Alabama. Now, I
Speaker 3: myself and not necessarily an Alabama fan, but I respect
Speaker 3: what I Bama's football has been for the past couple
Speaker 3: of decades and the job that Coach Saban had done.
Speaker 3: He surrounded himself with the appropriate personnel, and those appropriate
Speaker 3: very good at what they did. Assistant coaches and coordinators
Speaker 3: would leave there was a caresel. It's not because things
Speaker 3: were bad, but they were so good while working under
Speaker 3: Coach Saban and Alabama that it created other opportunities for them.
Speaker 3: He was a good football coach, one might argue, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, one might argue one of the greatest of
Speaker 3: all times, an argument worth happing, certainly. But was Alabama
Speaker 3: such a good football team because he was a good
Speaker 3: football coach? Or was it because he was so well
Speaker 3: versed and surrounding himself with the correct type of people,
Speaker 3: with building the leadership structure which one made the football
Speaker 3: team year in and year out consistently and good. So
Speaker 3: that's the point of chapter three.
Speaker 2: Your next chapter, you get into the non negotiables, you know,
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit and I don't Again, I
Speaker 2: don't want you to give away the book because we
Speaker 2: want people to buy it, but tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about what the non negotiables are and what they
Speaker 2: mean in order for you to develop yourself into this
Speaker 2: type of leader.
Speaker 3: Okay, so non negotiables. The punchlines of that chapter is
Speaker 3: that if you are a person of principles, your principles,
Speaker 3: and you are a Christian, your principles are likely derived
Speaker 3: from your faith. Okay, you are a person of faith
Speaker 3: and you are a person that has principles, that's probably
Speaker 3: where they came from. And throughout the Bible there's a
Speaker 3: lot of biblical examples there where people were challenged, whether
Speaker 3: it was Rahab or Daniel, to obey the law of
Speaker 3: the land, or their president or their governor, or their
Speaker 3: balls at work, whatever the case may be, in such
Speaker 3: a way that would vile their principal and sincerely held
Speaker 3: religious beliefs, their faith. Okay. So the Bible tells us
Speaker 3: through some examples throughout that chapter that there are certain
Speaker 3: things that should be non negotiable, and those things are
Speaker 3: based on principle, which is based on faith. God's will
Speaker 3: is non negotiable. All other things can be negotiated, but
Speaker 3: not that. So that actually tells a personal story that
Speaker 3: is centered and I won't give it away, but it's
Speaker 3: centered around my time in the military and the mandate
Speaker 3: for the COVID nineteen vaccination. But that is one of
Speaker 3: the big stories in that chapter that I experienced personally
Speaker 3: and I made a decision and it turned out in
Speaker 3: a certain way, and all that people read about that
Speaker 3: they care too. But no matter how the decision, no
Speaker 3: matter which decision I made, and no matter how it
Speaker 3: did turn out, there were valuable lessons that I took
Speaker 3: from it. I wrote about all those lessons because it's
Speaker 3: not the story of the COVID vaccine, military mandate or
Speaker 3: what side of the fence I stood on. That that's
Speaker 3: not the point of the book, none of the stories
Speaker 3: of the point. The book is not a storybook to
Speaker 3: tell you about my life. I just use some examples
Speaker 3: of life experience that I had to drive a bigger,
Speaker 3: more important point. And those are the points that I
Speaker 3: believe that I am supposed to demonstrate to others. I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to point out to others that will advance God's kingdom.
Speaker 3: So what I took from them spiritually, I wrote.
Speaker 2: About absolutely, you know, And I think that personal experiences
Speaker 2: the best writers you know, and since I've gotten back
Speaker 2: into writing, as I've changed careers into journalism, the best
Speaker 2: columns that myself or any of my co workers that
Speaker 2: I've read that I've written usually come from a personal experience.
Speaker 2: They just seem to be more engaging. Maybe it's because
Speaker 2: we care a little bit more when we're sharing our
Speaker 2: own personal account. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 2: it seems like whether it's myself, Jim Sigelski, Josh Gurray Nichols,
Speaker 2: Kevin Lindsey, whichever one of us is writing the column,
Speaker 2: the ones that dive a little bit into that personal
Speaker 2: story just they seem to hit a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's you're on the right track.
Speaker 2: It's not a vanity thing like some might would crink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you whole heartily. It goes back
Speaker 3: to our very beginning of this conversation about the difference
Speaker 3: and the impact a teacher getting wield and a coach.
Speaker 3: If you're an athlete, you have more skin of the game.
Speaker 3: It matters personally to you how well you perform, perhaps
Speaker 3: not saying is right or wrong, perhaps more so than
Speaker 3: how well you do on a daily assignment. It matters
Speaker 3: to it sticks with you longer. So yes, those personal
Speaker 3: experiences they cut deeper sometimes or they're more rewarding at times.
Speaker 3: But no matter positive or negative, the more personal, the
Speaker 3: more engaged you are. That's human nature.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Your next chapter you get into you are what
Speaker 2: you constantly do, which, without without having read the chapter,
Speaker 2: that speaks to me because that's one hundredercent accurate that
Speaker 2: if you're constantly doing negative things, it's going to lead
Speaker 2: you down a negative path. By the opposite point, if
Speaker 2: you're constantly doing positive things, it's going to lead you
Speaker 2: towards a positive path. And I think that that's that's
Speaker 2: an important message to tell me a little bit about
Speaker 2: this chapter.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a number of little stories and there
Speaker 3: too illustrates this point. But the point b you are
Speaker 3: what you consistently do. An example that I did give
Speaker 3: throughout the chapter was that if a studio who fails
Speaker 3: a tiss it's called a failure. That wouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 3: true because that student failed a single test. There could
Speaker 3: be a number of reasons why that occurred. Maybe they
Speaker 3: were unprepared, maybe it was a pop quiz, maybe they
Speaker 3: didn't study, maybe their house burned down, the night before.
Speaker 3: Maybe they are issues within the home, maybe something else
Speaker 3: more important to that test that's said on that given day.
Speaker 3: But you could be an otherwise good student and fell
Speaker 3: a test. Just because you failed something doesn't make you
Speaker 3: a failure. It does not. Baseball, if you're a guy
Speaker 3: that gets to play a role off the bench and
Speaker 3: you've had I don't know ten abs and you've only
Speaker 3: been able to manage one base hit, does that the
Speaker 3: fact that you got a hit make you a hitter.
Speaker 3: It does not. It means you got a number of
Speaker 3: abs and you got a base hit. So there are
Speaker 3: occurrences in life that cannot define us. People will make mistakes,
Speaker 3: but if you consistently make the same mistake, then you're
Speaker 3: beginning to define yourself. If you consistently show up late
Speaker 3: to word call in sick and you're really not sick,
Speaker 3: leave early, are low performing it word, then over a
Speaker 3: period of time you could incur the title of being lazy,
Speaker 3: and that will be accurate description. But just because you
Speaker 3: show up late once on occasion, does it mean you're lazy? No,
Speaker 3: it does not. There could be a number of variables there,
Speaker 3: and there's a parallel to the spiritual side of that too.
Speaker 3: If you go to church on occasion, does it make
Speaker 3: you a Christian? You can call yourself that, But what
Speaker 3: is your faith like? Not your religion? I bring that
Speaker 3: into question. If you are actively seeking and engaging God,
Speaker 3: but you only do it occasionally, does it mean you
Speaker 3: have a wonderful relationship with Him? Not necessarily. But if
Speaker 3: you do it consistently behave like a child of his,
Speaker 3: then you you are his child. That is the overall
Speaker 3: point of that chapter.
Speaker 2: Next next chapter is titled those you are? Explain that
Speaker 2: one to us? Whose you are? I'm sorry I looked
Speaker 2: at it wrong.
Speaker 3: Whose you are? Yeah? Okay, So people spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time and I was certainly guilty of this and
Speaker 3: still am to a large degree, trying to establish myself
Speaker 3: as who I am. I'm this guy, I have a
Speaker 3: nice car, I'm very materialistic. I'm gonna work because I
Speaker 3: believe that that gives me value. Okay. The point of
Speaker 3: that chapter is it really doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 3: It only matters whose you are. That's the underlying point
Speaker 3: I believe that chapter points out, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people examples there, that all other things are folly.
Speaker 3: This life is temporary, everything in it must be temporary.
Speaker 3: We assume that winning a state championship in baseball is
Speaker 3: the ultimate prize, and it is because this is the
Speaker 3: terminal thing that you can do in a season. I
Speaker 3: get that. I'm not taking away from that at all.
Speaker 3: If you're a high school baseball coach like myself, that
Speaker 3: is what you're striving for. If you're just showing up
Speaker 3: to have fun or win some games or win as
Speaker 3: many as you can, you're not striving hard enough. You're
Speaker 3: not doing what I believe you should be doing. You
Speaker 3: should be trying to reach and win the state championship.
Speaker 3: But everything in this life is is not the ultimate reward. Now,
Speaker 3: we assume that that's the ultimate reward because to do
Speaker 3: that you have to put in so much work, as
Speaker 3: so much time and develop your skills. You pay a
Speaker 3: very high price to do that, and we associate price
Speaker 3: with value. We assume that one hundred thousand dollars car
Speaker 3: is more valuable as a motor transportation than a twenty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars car. It may cost more money, have more
Speaker 3: monetary value, but what is its objective from point A
Speaker 3: to point B? So is it really more valuable as
Speaker 3: a temporary commodity. There is no commodity on this side
Speaker 3: of death that outweighs eternity. So who you are, what
Speaker 3: you have, the price you will want to pay to
Speaker 3: achieve something is irrelevant. It's reckless. We should invest more
Speaker 3: time in whose we are. That should be our primary concern.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well said, and again I'm sure it's even better
Speaker 2: explained in the actual book too. Your next chapter, feed
Speaker 2: his Sheep, So that one just from a title of
Speaker 2: a chapter that you know that can go multiple directions,
Speaker 2: tell us, tell us what that chapter is. So that
Speaker 2: way are our listeners who are curious about the book
Speaker 2: get another teaser of another chapter.
Speaker 3: Sure, okay, it actually does go a couple of different directions.
Speaker 3: I open the chair with explaining the shepherd, his job
Speaker 3: and his tool of the trade, the iconic the symbolic
Speaker 3: staff with a hooked end on one end right, and
Speaker 3: I explained his applications. It could be used to balance
Speaker 3: them through travel terrain, to so as a weapon to
Speaker 3: defend off against predators that are trying to maybe take
Speaker 3: one of the sheep. So it can be used in
Speaker 3: a very positive light, but it can also be a
Speaker 3: tool when necessary to do the job in a more
Speaker 3: uncomfortable way. Case in point, to keep sheep in line
Speaker 3: and traveling in the correct the region that the shepherd
Speaker 3: would have him travel. He could take the pointed end
Speaker 3: and point. He could take the hooked in and save
Speaker 3: them from a ravine or a crack they have fought
Speaker 3: into a ravine they otherwise might drown in. He could
Speaker 3: pull them out of danger. He can poke them and
Speaker 3: inflict pain to get them to behave obey and follow him.
Speaker 3: So their symbolism there was with the shepherd being God. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's our job, and we are the sheep. It's our
Speaker 3: job to follow God. But I then pivot and go
Speaker 3: a different direction. And there's a lot more detail to
Speaker 3: it in the boot, and I'll leave that to the readers,
Speaker 3: but it ultimately pivots and I point out who the
Speaker 3: sheep are. Jesus in the Bible said three times feed
Speaker 3: my sheep. In a single conversation, a question, an answer,
Speaker 3: and then Jesus said, in response to the answer to
Speaker 3: his question, feed my sheep. Asked another question, asked the
Speaker 3: question if you ask the second question, got a second answer,
Speaker 3: then gave a second command, feed my sheep. That happened
Speaker 3: three times, and it was due. You love me, was
Speaker 3: the question. The answer was, Lord, you know I love you.
Speaker 3: He said, we'll feed my sheep. In other words, if
Speaker 3: you love me, feed my sheep, lead my flock, tend
Speaker 3: my flock. The shepherds job is to lead the sheep.
Speaker 3: It's the job of the sheep to follow. But it's
Speaker 3: also in leading the sheep, protecting the sheep, feeding the sheep,
Speaker 3: giving the sheep everything they actually do need. And that
Speaker 3: is the safety of Christ as mortals, as shepherds ourselves.
Speaker 3: Each of us could be a shepherd, and each of
Speaker 3: us are a sheep. I do make that point. But
Speaker 3: notice when Jesus get the command to feed my sheep.
Speaker 3: This is one of the points I make of the chapter.
Speaker 3: There was no argument from the mortal shepherd. Wait a minute,
Speaker 3: these are my sheep. No, no, no, it was yes, yes, yes, God.
Speaker 3: There was no argument, even though he was a shepherd,
Speaker 3: even though he was in their charge. Say it, say
Speaker 3: the shepherd's a high school baseball coach and the players
Speaker 3: of the sheep, well, that's his team, right, the coaches
Speaker 3: team to a degree, yes, But it's much bigger than that.
Speaker 3: There's an internal factor here. They're not really that coach
Speaker 3: of sheep, So perhaps he should invest some time in
Speaker 3: doing what matters eternally and feed his sheep. They're not
Speaker 3: just baseball players, they're children of God.
Speaker 2: Your next chapter is use your hook again. That's another
Speaker 2: one that when you read it you're like, Okay, where
Speaker 2: are we going here? So give us kind of an
Speaker 2: overview of this chapter.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the previous chapter I illustrated about the staff,
Speaker 3: the shepherd's staff, and the hooked in the next chapter
Speaker 3: goes a little bit more in detail into the applications
Speaker 3: of your tool, that example, the shepherd's staff. The book
Speaker 3: is a book on leadership based leadership. So you've got
Speaker 3: to figure out as a leader what your hook is. Now,
Speaker 3: it's easy. I gave an example as a high school
Speaker 3: baseball coach. Is easy. The game itself can be your hook. Okay,
Speaker 3: you can use it for positive reinforcement, neative reinforcement. Case
Speaker 3: in point, if you have an issue you have to
Speaker 3: deal with the coach. Will's authority like the shepherd to
Speaker 3: use his hook the game, and he could ben you
Speaker 3: a player to get the proper response out of the player.
Speaker 3: He could give a player a non start. He can
Speaker 3: put punitive running before the player, and the player will
Speaker 3: comply because ultimately, what the player really wants, no matter
Speaker 3: what the issue was, is to play ball. Otherwise he
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a baseball player. Otherwise he wouldn't put for
Speaker 3: so much energy, effort in time. That's what he truly wants.
Speaker 3: And the coaches and as that authority, he can use
Speaker 3: his hook as a shepherd would use a staff. So
Speaker 3: if you're leading a company, their incentives you can use
Speaker 3: on the company level that you can use to affect change.
Speaker 3: Now that was an example from baseball, but we as Christians,
Speaker 3: there are many things in our lives, these gifts that
Speaker 3: God has given us that we can leverage to advance
Speaker 3: His kingdom. And that's ultimately the hook.
Speaker 2: I'm referring to your last chapter, the humility of His
Speaker 2: will not yours.
Speaker 3: That one.
Speaker 2: I think you can you can kind of get a
Speaker 2: feel for where you're going with that one from the title.
Speaker 2: So give us give us your final overview of this
Speaker 2: final chapter.
Speaker 3: Yes, so, humility is a hard lesson to learn, and
Speaker 3: I gave a true story of an experience that I
Speaker 3: had in which I learned that. And there's this I
Speaker 3: don't go into too much detail on to that story itself,
Speaker 3: because the book is not about that story. It's not
Speaker 3: about anything that happened. But I had to tell the
Speaker 3: story so that I can make the larger point. God's
Speaker 3: servants are to be humble, and you will be humble
Speaker 3: if you're one of his children. And there's a variety
Speaker 3: of ways you can learn that. It could be hard sometimes,
Speaker 3: but it's required, it's necessary, Okay. So it is wise
Speaker 3: to humble yourself before God and authentically and sincerely seek
Speaker 3: his will. Try to discern what that is, and try
Speaker 3: to advance his kingdom, because if you're a sheep astray,
Speaker 3: he has ways of humbling you and bringing you back
Speaker 3: into the fold. That's a very dense chapter, and the
Speaker 3: everything in the book leads to that chapter. So I
Speaker 3: don't want to speak on too much detail of that chapter.
Speaker 2: You want to get to the chapter. You want him
Speaker 2: to build to the the climax as it will, I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, how hard was it, Adam to to find
Speaker 2: a publisher? You know, after after you go through everything,
Speaker 2: you get this written, how hard was it to find
Speaker 2: a publisher? And tell us about the Christian Faith publishing
Speaker 2: company that you you got to publish the book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that kind of goes back to, uh, taking
Speaker 3: a leap of faith and something I was avoid in doing,
Speaker 3: and all the lies I told myself to avoid doing
Speaker 3: it ultimately led to trying to write this book, putting
Speaker 3: forth my best effort, and that kind of rolls into
Speaker 3: I'm going to find out this is God's will or not,
Speaker 3: you know. So I put forth a lot of time
Speaker 3: and effort, and I wrote a manuscript, and I sought
Speaker 3: the advice of my pastor actually who's written a number
Speaker 3: of books and his experience with how that goes. But
Speaker 3: I am no theologian. The first two sentences in the
Speaker 3: book is I am no saint. I am a sinner.
Speaker 3: Got that right out of the way. I am not
Speaker 3: a man of cloth, so to speak. I do not
Speaker 3: have a degree in theology. I was fearful, and this
Speaker 3: is one of the lies I told myself. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say anything that's biblically incorrect. I was fearful
Speaker 3: of doing that. I sincerely was. So I looped him,
Speaker 3: my pastor, and asked him those questions about how can
Speaker 3: I put this out for a polishing company to consider it?
Speaker 3: And he kind of told me how it wins, and
Speaker 3: I didn't reach out to him initially for that purpose.
Speaker 3: I reached out to him to ensure that everything I
Speaker 3: was writing was doctrinally accurate, because I do not even
Speaker 3: inadvertally want to mislead anybody. So he came back to
Speaker 3: me said that it was sound. In fact, he even
Speaker 3: wrote the forward for the book, and for that I
Speaker 3: am very grateful. I do not name any of the
Speaker 3: characters in the book in my personal stories, not one,
Speaker 3: because I don't want the book to be about those stories,
Speaker 3: or those characters, or even myself. But the stories were
Speaker 3: necessary to drive home the bigger point, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to make sure that spirit and scripturally all was accurate
Speaker 3: and not miss league anyone. I looped him in and
Speaker 3: he was able to give me some pointers of what
Speaker 3: step I need to do next if it's going to
Speaker 3: be considered, and sure enough, I went online. I put
Speaker 3: it out there, followed his destructions. Long story short, and
Speaker 3: the first company that came back to me almost immediately
Speaker 3: was Christian Faith Publishing. They were excited to publish it,
Speaker 3: and I was excited to partner with them, So I'm
Speaker 3: grateful for that. Yet another blessing from God.
Speaker 2: Where can my listeners want to pick up a copy
Speaker 2: of this book? Tell them the different places that they
Speaker 2: can purchase a copy.
Speaker 3: Okay, it can be picked up on Christian Faith Publishing
Speaker 3: dot com as the polishing company that has the rights
Speaker 3: to it, of course, but also it's available with Barnes
Speaker 3: and Noble. There are some Bricking Motor stores that will
Speaker 3: be carrying it now. It was recently published though, so
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what the row outdates on that would
Speaker 3: be in the Brick and Moor stores. But it is
Speaker 3: available with Barnesannoble dot com. It's available on Amazon dot com.
Speaker 3: It's available on Google Play and a variety of other
Speaker 3: sources online.
Speaker 2: It's available on Apple as well, because I saw that
Speaker 2: early today. So, yeah, you've gotten an iPhone and you've
Speaker 2: got the Apple store right there, it's really easy for
Speaker 2: you to go and grab it. If you've got a
Speaker 2: Google based phone, as he said, you can go grab
Speaker 2: it from there. So is there an audiobook version or
Speaker 2: has that been discussed in the future.
Speaker 3: There have been discussions about it, but at this time though, sir,
Speaker 3: the book is available in two formats. It's available on
Speaker 3: ebook and it's only nine ninety nine on e book,
Speaker 3: so you can get that right there on your device,
Speaker 3: or you can actually get the physical paperback copy, and
Speaker 3: that's fourteen ninety five, I believe is a asking price
Speaker 3: on all the retailers online right now. And the book
Speaker 3: is a it's a thin book, but it's a deep book,
Speaker 3: if I can say it that way, in a number
Speaker 3: of ways. But it is what I would say, a
Speaker 3: quick read. I would encourage anybody who's thinking about reading
Speaker 3: it though it's a thin book one hundred pages or less. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a quick read, but don't rush through it, don't
Speaker 3: rifle through it. It was written for a purpose. Give
Speaker 3: yourself a little time. It's not going to take long
Speaker 3: if you're interested reading it. It's a thin book, but
Speaker 3: don't miss the depth For the lack of thickness. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff in there that can be
Speaker 3: a ceed being planned, which is the purpose of the
Speaker 3: book for someone out there, Or it could be maybe
Speaker 3: someone who has who can experience a little more growth
Speaker 3: in their faith in what they currently have, or maybe
Speaker 3: they're struggling with something, or maybe they're going through something
Speaker 3: very similar to one of the many stories in those pages,
Speaker 3: and they can have a reference points and they can
Speaker 3: see where I found the answers, that I found the
Speaker 3: direction with the Bible through God's word itself. All those
Speaker 3: things are pointed out as a roadmap.
Speaker 2: This sounds like the intent behind the book is not
Speaker 2: to be a one and done read. This is a
Speaker 2: book that you're hoping that people can once they've read
Speaker 2: through it, they can go back to. Like you said,
Speaker 2: if they have an experience similar to one of the
Speaker 2: ones you write about about, they'll be able to go
Speaker 2: back in the book and read how you dealt with
Speaker 2: it and maybe find some guidance. So this is not
Speaker 2: intended to be a one and done book.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, This book is not intended for entertainment. This
Speaker 3: book is intended as a reference point to help help
Speaker 3: not being me or my opinions. But where I found it,
Speaker 3: how I handle the situation is a word you just used. Yes,
Speaker 3: sure that's in there, but how I mishandled situations is
Speaker 3: in there too, And no matter if positive or negative,
Speaker 3: there are things that I gained from it scripturally, that
Speaker 3: I learned from that that I got to experience growth
Speaker 3: in and perhaps other people can experience that same growth.
Speaker 3: At the end, at the end of the day. It
Speaker 3: was written strictly to advance God's kingdom, to help people
Speaker 3: in their plight, to strengthen people, even if they're in
Speaker 3: a good situation right now. But yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: intended to be something of a reference, not intended to
Speaker 3: be entertaining necessarily, though there are parts of it that
Speaker 3: I would argue are quite entertaining. This is a book politics.
Speaker 3: We talked about politics earlier. Okay, Everything political is on pendulum,
Speaker 3: and some years we we swing very conservative as a nation,
Speaker 3: and some years we swing back towards being more liberal.
Speaker 3: But we tend to operate somewhere in the middle. Your
Speaker 3: spiritual life is the same way. There are times when
Speaker 3: one might feel or at least within me. I know
Speaker 3: there are seasons in life where I feel very close
Speaker 3: to God. I'm engaged, I'm connected, and there are other
Speaker 3: seasons where I am drifting away from Him. Not because
Speaker 3: I'm necessarily misbehaving, I'm just not as connected. The pendulum
Speaker 3: will continue to swing, and I challenge anyone that if
Speaker 3: you buy this book and you read it, put it,
Speaker 3: put it away for a while, and when as that
Speaker 3: pendulum swings, when you're feeling very close to God. Go
Speaker 3: through it again. See if you don't experience a little
Speaker 3: more gross, a little more connectivity, and you're in. You're in.
Speaker 3: You're a good season of life. Or put it down
Speaker 3: and when that pendulum swings the opposite direction and you're
Speaker 3: going through some struggles and adversities, go through the book
Speaker 3: again and see what there is to gain from that
Speaker 3: side of the coin. Because just like the Early Bird
Speaker 3: and the Worm story of the book, everything is a
Speaker 3: matter of perspective, and there's always more way to learn
Speaker 3: the same lesson more than one way.
Speaker 2: Adam, do you think that the country needs a spiritual revival,
Speaker 2: because I know I do, and I've talked about it
Speaker 2: multiple times that a lot of this division that we see,
Speaker 2: we can maybe find something better if this nation, at
Speaker 2: its core went back to Christ.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. The Bible is pretty clear about this. He is
Speaker 3: the beginning and the end. The nation, like our lives,
Speaker 3: is temporary. At some point, this will all be over.
Speaker 3: God is going to return, He's going to come back.
Speaker 3: All nations will fall. So yeah, it's temporary. So why
Speaker 3: waste our time on temporary things when we as a
Speaker 3: nation should be more focused on eternal things. Like Christ,
Speaker 3: like a saving relationship with the Messiah. Focus on the
Speaker 3: Son of Man and all these temporary things, it is
Speaker 3: my opinion, will take care of themselves. I've never seen
Speaker 3: a family broken up while praying at the altar. I've
Speaker 3: never seen someone murdered while praying at the altar, nor
Speaker 3: have I heard of it. Yes, evil exists, Yes, things
Speaker 3: that sure could happen, but if they do, that's God's will.
Speaker 3: Figure out. We need to spend more time figuring out
Speaker 3: what his will is, what is intent is, and what
Speaker 3: things can we do on an individual level, as at
Speaker 3: a small community level, at a national and even a
Speaker 3: global level. What things should we be doing to try
Speaker 3: to understand with our limited capabilities, what exactly is this will?
Speaker 3: What should I do? What is it that you require
Speaker 3: of me God, and pursue it. Yeah, just like back
Speaker 3: to government, we're entitled to these enabled rights, life, liberty,
Speaker 3: and the pursuit of happiness. You're not entitled to happiness,
Speaker 3: You're not entitled necessarily understand this will, but you're entitled
Speaker 3: to pursue it. And I believe that if we do,
Speaker 3: we focus on the bigger things, the eternal, eternal things,
Speaker 3: than these moral temporary things will fall into place.
Speaker 2: I really do, absolutely, And to your point at a
Speaker 2: definitely not saying don't pay attention to politics, because he
Speaker 2: himself understands how important it is to be engaged in
Speaker 2: the political process. But all you're saying is is if
Speaker 2: we're rooted in Christ, even when the bad happens, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be Okay, Yes.
Speaker 3: Take it revisiting Charlie Kirk a tragedy, and yes I
Speaker 3: do believe in miracles. And yes I did pray in
Speaker 3: the wake of that, almost immediately after, as soon as
Speaker 3: I learned that it was in fact true, I did
Speaker 3: go to the Lord in prayer in private automatically. I
Speaker 3: did not pray for a miracle, though I do believe
Speaker 3: in miracles. But I also believe that God's will is
Speaker 3: being done. If it is his will that that would
Speaker 3: be a horrible example that he would miraculously recover from.
Speaker 3: Then it had a point. If it was his will
Speaker 3: that Charlie Kirk would be with him in heaven that day,
Speaker 3: there was a point. Yes, it was a mortal tragedy.
Speaker 3: Yes it was evil, no question about it. But evil exists. Yes,
Speaker 3: but God conquers all. He's the only one that has
Speaker 3: conquered death. The Bible tells us not to worry about things,
Speaker 3: all these things in the world of temporary their minor,
Speaker 3: not even to worry about death, because he's meant to
Speaker 3: the world, He's conquered the world, and he's even conquered death.
Speaker 3: Let's pay more attention to that. Let's embrace that it
Speaker 3: is His will be done. Whether we like it or not,
Speaker 3: just like in my final chapter, whether we understand it
Speaker 3: or not, whether we think we're deserving of these things
Speaker 3: or not, completely irrelevant. They're all temporary, but they're all
Speaker 3: happy for a reason, whether it's Charlie Kirk or the
Speaker 3: events in my last chapter in my book, there is
Speaker 3: a reason there. Don't let these things occur and fail
Speaker 3: to gain the reason, or at least fail to pursue
Speaker 3: what you can understand from God's reasoning, it's about the
Speaker 3: pursuit of God's will, just as it is the pursuit
Speaker 3: of our happiness as Americans. You know, to understand those
Speaker 3: things ryan and titled to be purely happy, but we're
Speaker 3: certainly entitled and expected to pursue them.
Speaker 2: You know, you you brought up Charlie Kirk again, and
Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect example of where a tragedy
Speaker 2: has sparked something good. Because I'm sure you've read the
Speaker 2: reports of an uptick in folks searching out Christianity. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've read the reports of an uptick of college
Speaker 2: campuses starting Turning Point USA organizations, high schools starting organization,
Speaker 2: starting groups with the organization that Charlie founded. So we're
Speaker 2: seeing a true horrible action lead us towards a positive path.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's yeah, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's clear that was.
Speaker 3: The reason it happened. To me that if it happened,
Speaker 3: it happened for a Reason's got a reason and is
Speaker 3: in control. So if he would allow such a tragedy
Speaker 3: to happen, albeit tragic, sad, and I wish it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: I wish, I wish that weren't the event that led
Speaker 3: to this, But it did happen. Now what is the result?
Speaker 3: You have his will being done in the aftermath of that,
Speaker 3: we needed to turn back towards him. We are straying
Speaker 3: sheep as a nation. And the shepherd will use his staff,
Speaker 3: sometimes in a loving, carrying, kind, gentle way. Other times
Speaker 3: he can use it more forcibly and unpleasant ways. Perhaps
Speaker 3: this was an unpleasant example that led to a redirection
Speaker 3: of the flock.
Speaker 2: You know, Adam, your you know last question here? You
Speaker 2: know you're married with three children. Yes, tell me what
Speaker 2: you hope one day when your kids are old enough
Speaker 2: to open up this book, what do you hope they find?
Speaker 3: Well? I tried to leave a nice little segment for
Speaker 3: them in the acknowledgments the book, as well as my wife.
Speaker 3: And if they open that book and they read it
Speaker 3: later in life and maybe when I'm gone from this
Speaker 3: world and onto the next, they will have my opinions
Speaker 3: on things. They will have my thoughts on things. But
Speaker 3: they'll also be able to see my belief and my
Speaker 3: fate and the little lessons I took from it like
Speaker 3: any other person who might read it. I hope that's
Speaker 3: something that they can gain from it and benefit from. Certainly,
Speaker 3: they'll always know what Dad thought, no matter if I'm
Speaker 3: here or not. But I give them a little direction
Speaker 3: in the acknowledgments. I thank God for each of them.
Speaker 3: I tell them that I count myself blessed for having
Speaker 3: the opportunity to be the husband of my wife and
Speaker 3: the father of my three children that I've been so
Speaker 3: blessed with, and I tell them also in the very
Speaker 3: next sense I believe it is that as long as
Speaker 3: their mother and I are on this earth, they can
Speaker 3: always seek us out, whether we're at odds or not.
Speaker 3: For God, that's help, assistance, whether there's a prodigal son
Speaker 3: situation or not. We're always going to be here so
Speaker 3: long as we are here. But the ultimate point is
Speaker 3: we're not gonna be here forever. We two are temporary,
Speaker 3: but what is everlasting is God. So sure, there's no
Speaker 3: problem with seeking us out. But the big point that
Speaker 3: I want them to take away is we're not the answer.
Speaker 3: There is an answer, and I'm telling you who it is.
Speaker 3: Seek him more so than you seek me.
Speaker 2: Amen, brother, Look how old are your kids now?
Speaker 3: My daughter is eleven, my son is eight, and we
Speaker 3: were blessed with a new born not very long ago.
Speaker 3: She's about to be seven months old.
Speaker 2: That's probably why I thought you only had two till
Speaker 2: I read the press release. Congratulations, Adam, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: y'all had had the third one.
Speaker 3: Here's a little mechanism of faith right here. As I
Speaker 3: wrote this book, the beginning stages, the publishing process takes
Speaker 3: months and months and months. It did not take me
Speaker 3: that long to write the book. But as I was
Speaker 3: writing it, our third child, Olivia had not yet into
Speaker 3: this world. We were expecting her on the way, and
Speaker 3: as a leap of faith, I went on the head
Speaker 3: and wrote her name in the book, hoping prayerfully that
Speaker 3: God would allow her to make it here safely and
Speaker 3: and be healthy. And he certainly did. That was a
Speaker 3: little bit of a God wink, a little bit of
Speaker 3: a prayer request written in a publication to God, if
Speaker 3: you will, uh that let's let's pretty please, it's my
Speaker 3: prayers you allowed us to continue to happen. Thank you
Speaker 3: for the blessing thus far. If not, your will is
Speaker 3: being done. But that was me basically asking, can this
Speaker 3: the rest of this pregnancy go well? You know, can
Speaker 3: we have a good birth and everything be okay? Because
Speaker 3: there wasn't. There was a time in our in our
Speaker 3: lives where we went through several miscarriages, We had a
Speaker 3: hard time. We were told weren't gonna have kids, and
Speaker 3: that was God's will. We both had a lot of
Speaker 3: learning and growing to do in that in that season,
Speaker 3: and uh, the maturity thing over time, and in our faith,
Speaker 3: we both experience that now we have kids, we were
Speaker 3: blessing that way. God knows better than we know. Maybe
Speaker 3: we weren't prepared earlier in life, and maybe we're a
Speaker 3: little more equipped now. But whether we're very well equipped
Speaker 3: or not well equipped, we know who is equipped and
Speaker 3: we could point them to him. We're at that place
Speaker 3: in our lives now, and now that we are, I
Speaker 3: believe our reward is we're being blessed in this way.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's a miracle in itself. Being told
Speaker 2: that you're not going to have kids and then fast
Speaker 2: forward you've got three kids. That's that's that's a miracle
Speaker 2: in itself. And it just shows you something right there, Adam, Uh,
Speaker 2: it does. Of course I look forward to I think
Speaker 2: we need to have you back on again real soon,
Speaker 2: and next time I'll get you good and fired up
Speaker 2: about politics instead. But I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 2: tonight and sharing the story behind the book and giving
Speaker 2: our listeners kind of a preview before they go out
Speaker 2: and purchase the book. Before I let you go, remind
Speaker 2: our listeners again where they can buy this book.
Speaker 3: It's available online at Barnes Andnoble dot com. It can
Speaker 3: be balled on Google Play, Amazon dot com. It's available
Speaker 3: also through Apple, and I certainly appreciate the opportunity to
Speaker 3: speak with you today. A big fan of the Right
Speaker 3: Side Show, I've been listening to it for a long time,
Speaker 3: as you stated earlier in the conversation, So thank you
Speaker 3: so much for the opportunity, and to anyone who might
Speaker 3: be looking for something along these lines in the book,
Speaker 3: please consider picking it up. I did not write this
Speaker 3: book for money. I wrote it for the reasons illustrated
Speaker 3: in the book and discussed a little bit here this evening,
Speaker 3: And in fact, I don't really make a whole lot
Speaker 3: of money off of this at all. In fact, I
Speaker 3: declined making a significant investment that would give me significant
Speaker 3: exposure through some of these companies, these firms that push
Speaker 3: books out to all the retailers nationwide and around the globe.
Speaker 3: I declined that it is my belief. I'm not in
Speaker 3: it for money. I'm not in it so my name
Speaker 3: can be out there. It was written with a righteous intent,
Speaker 3: and I hope that Gods will someone can benefit from
Speaker 3: it and his kingdom can be advanced. And I don't
Speaker 3: need to make a lot of money off of that.
Speaker 3: But if you're willing to buy one, that's great. Do
Speaker 3: so not to help me out, but do so to
Speaker 3: maybe help yourself out, or recommend it to someone else
Speaker 3: after you read it that they could be helped out.
Speaker 3: And if you think it can be helpful, if it
Speaker 3: helps you, I would encourage and request that any potential
Speaker 3: readers who end up reading this book and find it
Speaker 3: to be as I just described it, I would I
Speaker 3: would appreciate a grassroots situation. If you like it, posted
Speaker 3: about it on social media, let people know about it.
Speaker 3: I am not seeking fame for this at all, and
Speaker 3: I am not going through a major firm, So if
Speaker 3: you like it, spread it. I do believe that God's
Speaker 3: gonna put it in the hands of who needs to
Speaker 3: have it, but maybe you could be a tool that
Speaker 3: amplifies that, So consider doing that if you like it absolutely.
Speaker 2: Adam, thank you again for being on the show this week.
Speaker 2: We look forward to having you back on it here
Speaker 2: it will.
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