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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to the post

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game hang after the Clippers get their asses kicked by

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the LA Lakers.

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Speaker 2: I am Chuck Mockler.

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Speaker 1: William Updyke is going to join in just a few

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I just started because I am antsy and I am

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furious at how the Clippers looked tonight. This was, as

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Tyl you mentioned, the third game in a row that

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could have pissed some people off if you missed the game.

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I'm not going to tell you the score because I

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don't want to say it out loud, but just know that,

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per our friend Justin Russo, the twenty five point loss

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this evening is the largest the LA Clippers have suffered

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to the Lake since January fifteenth, twenty ten. It's the

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largest home loss to the Lakers since two thousand and eight.

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So it's a horrible performance. This was bad. It was

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bad all around, and it just happened. So yes, I'm

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a little fresh right now with rage after sitting through

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that game. But this game was horrible from the start.

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The Clippers were down forty five to twenty one after

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the first What's up, will I just started one minute ago.

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I was debriefing the crew that emotions might be a

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little raw because the game just ended.

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Speaker 2: But this was piece of shit, piece piece of shit. Yeah, God,

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this is when you pretty pretty comfortably could have turned

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off at the half after the first Yeah, it would

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have been fine. I mean, the Clippers trailed by twenty

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for basically the entirety of the game. It's the same

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troubling thing we've seen recently in a couple of losses,

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where like, defensively they start off super soft, and I

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don't know at this point, like if that's a fatigue thing.

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It certainly, you know, isn't even the most like schedule wise,

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most troubling stretch of games that they've had so far

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in the season. But whatever, maybe it's a cumulative thing.

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But you know, you see, these teams have these outlier

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offensive performances, and what's the one common denominator This team

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is starting super soft defensively, and when they aren't on defensively,

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it's really hard for them to get into their offense.

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average offense. Hopefully that'll pick up, I mean, hopefully that'll

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pick up as Kawhi continues to be integrated. But you know,

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that's a lot of how they can get things going.

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That's a lot how they can pour it on a team.

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Is defense leading to offense and just not I'm just

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not seeing this right now, Kuk Sampson. Was this really

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your first game and into it? I am so sorry.

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Speaker 1: That if you're just if you're listening to this, we're

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gonna post us on audio later. If you want to

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hang with us postgame. Usually it's more fun than this.

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Come find us at a YouTube dot com slash at

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Clippers podcast. Chunk Samson in the comments if this was

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your first game into it, I am so sorry.

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Speaker 2: So my first game, it wasn't my first game into it,

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but my first game as a fan, not as media

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I brought my parents to. Is that lost to Portland?

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Which that one is always gonna that one is always

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gonna be a thorn in my side as well.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot this isn't so I want to

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let's level set real quick. To use the marketing talk,

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this is not a bird the tape game. This is

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not an outlier game. What happened tonight, as you mentioned

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after the and as Tyler talked about after these last

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three performances, this is now a tread game. I think

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the Clippers are trending down.

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Speaker 2: Maybe defensively for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they scored ninety seven tonight.

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Speaker 2: I think we can say offensively two.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's you know, but like, yes, the schedule,

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there's been a lot of games.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: But from the jump, this game was down Chris Chris Dunn.

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Someone's talking about in the comments, what thinking duds. Yeah,

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so scam of the comments. Like I thought Dun's intensity

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would trickle down to everyone. Chris Dunn checked in one

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the first time he checked in after being out checked

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in tipped an offensive board. The Clippers got a three.

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It was awesome. There was like a Derek Jones junior dunk.

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Speaker 2: The steal and then I want to say it was

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a norm three, but the cut it to thirteen before

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the Lakers went on a seven er run and again

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just like completely uh snuffed it out. I thought, you know,

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that was another one of those one of those points.

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But the inefficiency is run. I'm seeing somebody, Uh, let

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me see if I can find a comment. Oh uh,

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Mikey is asking about featuring Big Zoo. He was super

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inefficient tonight he was just two of seven and they

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doubled him, and well and they they did double him.

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sometimes shots do not go down. But if he's not

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efficient in those opportunities, he's gonna get looked to even less.

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this is something we this is something we normally do.

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what happens? And you bring up the doubles, which is great,

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but I mean theoretically, if the worst shooter on the

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floor is being doubled, uh, there should like you know,

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better shooters open. I feel like there's you know, there's

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some set. There's several options on the floor in those

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in those types of situations.

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Speaker 1: One of the options that was not there tonight, and

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Alan we're going to talk about it. One of the

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options who was not good tonight. We're gonna talk about Kawhi,

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who has a bit of an excuse I think for

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maybe having a couple bad games here and they're just

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having coming back from injury. James Harden was terrible shooting

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tonight trash. It was bad and it started bad. It

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was he went two for twelve, zero for five from like.

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Speaker 2: It was just like not making a three point game.

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in his career that that cannot be a very common occurrence.

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Speaker 1: It was brutal.

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Speaker 3: Turnovers were good though nine to one assist the turnovers

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hey died to one the only way back to the bank.

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And defensively norm or not norm not norm defensively no, sorry,

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I gotta saw James Harden.

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Speaker 2: James James Harden was This was brutal, un abominable performance.

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Speaker 1: We liked James, We liked everyone, all the emers, but

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this was like, because this has been the last three

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games of just like.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that the not taking the other opponents seriously.

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Speaker 2: You think it's a fatigue issue, because I agree with this,

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I'm not seeing and I guess that's what's even more troubling, right, Like,

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this doesn't look like the sort of laxadaisical approach that

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where it was just like, Okay, you know, we can

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kind of do whatever. If we turn it on for

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one quarter, it'll be fine. This does kind of seem

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like physically guys are a little bit at the brink,

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which is even more troubling though, because it's like that's

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not something that is you can just fix with a

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mentality adjustment, you know. And I think that I historically

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we've seen this team kind of limp into All Star breaks,

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which I was really hoping true would not be the

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case this season, just with a tight Western conference. But

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Speaker 1: And historically, if you look at the last couple of seasons,

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what has the roster been a little older, and we're

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like the five and said I was with josephry Award,

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the five and seven destroyed these guys from a just

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from a just from a stamina perspective, like and okay,

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James Harden was bad. Norm twenty points. Defensive intensity wasn't

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there from anyone tonight. Norm included zoo inefficient. We talked

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about that. Derek Jones Junior pretty good tonight. So thank

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you to Derek Jones Junior.

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Speaker 2: We had a waste of good Derek. I believe he

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was my player of the game, so.

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Speaker 1: He was uh, he had the best plus minus on

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the team at eight at zero ey Kawhi Leonard played

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twenty two minutes tonight, and I'm I have an angry

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tone just because we're so fired up from how shit

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that game was. Kawhi having a bad game during this

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part of his return doesn't make me as mad is

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the other things from this game that went poorly. It's

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just that, right, Like, I don't like that he had

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a bad game. I was. I really wanted him to

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have a really good game, obviously, but he's just a

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lot of games I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you and and for me, like Quid,

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these last games that have been less than inspiring, I

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pegged him at from from where he was when he

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returned to the lineup. Yeah, still bad tonight. I think

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the thing that is a little bit more unsettling is

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just like how three of your top performers all have

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a ship night on the same night, and it again

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in a vacuum. Not that big of a deal, but

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it's kind of like, all right, so what are we

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really doing here, guys, Like it's just I don't I

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don't know. I mean, maybe the All Star break can

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can fix it. But they got they gotta get right spiritually.

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Speaker 1: Right now, all right, showing this super chat from Sinner

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j R. An incredibly ominous nickname, Kauhi has not looked good.

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has not looked good over the last few games. Now

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it's true, Lakers made us look silly and old. Thank

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you for the super chat. You're not totally wrong. The

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Clippers looked old from the jump tonight. They were getting

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in like that was so aggressive, and the Clippers had

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Speaker 2: They were getting absolutely sliced defensively like there was there

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was just zero resistance. It could have been it could

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have been five traffic cones out there and that the

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you know, the result would have been the exact same.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we ran down the starters, and we talked

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: The defensive intensity we saw from Kawhi kind of really

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trying to keep one of these eyes on in terms.

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I did not mean that thumbs up in terms of

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like how he's doing, you know what I mean, because

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that wasn't again the offense getting there, that's one thing,

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but the defense tonight was something that I think so

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a lot of people are concerned about. I don't think

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I'm like super concerned about it yet, but it's something

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now that I'm like, Okay, here's a little bit of

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a bugaboo in my brain watching Kawhi going forward. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's absolutely fair because that was the

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side of the court where it was clear that he

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was unable to keep some sort of governor on, you

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know what I mean, Like he was still playing at

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full intensity there totally even when it was pretty clear

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that he was kind of pulling punches offensively in terms

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of you know, how much what percentage he was willing

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which has ramped up, but like you know, he's not

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fully cleared yet. So to see, you know, a step

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backwards is troubling even given what I said earlier, thinking

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that you know, he was further ahead in this return

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than I had initially thought when he first returned to

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the lineup. Another thing is just I have more questions

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna I have to talk about the badge.

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I do want to answer one quick question. Oh yeah,

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Carlos Acido saying, mister Barker, where did you get your hat?

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This was an incredibly under the radar collaboration between Tie

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Dollaside and the Clippers a couple of seasons ago. Yeah,

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the same. So here's a crazy thing. The same day

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that the Tie dollar signe stuff went on sale was

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comments remember that when we showed up the staples and

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it was like they were trying to get about the

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free shirts and stuff. Anyway, I don't know if you

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can find this. I you can probably find on eBay.

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Speaker 2: It's such a.

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Speaker 1: Stupid piece of LA Member Belie to have. Okay, so

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we need to talk about the bench because the bench

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is an issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean bench is an issue. I feel like

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we just came off of giving Kevin for Junior some flowers. Offensively,

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he was kind of dogshit tonight. I guess the more

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troubling thing is like he was dogs Is it time

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for Terrence to be gone at this deadline? Yes, because

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he is not a part of this rotation. He played

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twelve minutes tonight. Six minutes of that was absolute garbage.

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I was gonna say like half of it was garbage time.

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So what are we doing here? He's clearly no longer

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a part of this rotation or long term plans. Let's

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make a consolidation move. Let's do something.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, send him away, and I'm not saying that

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in a disrespectful way to Terrence. Send him to a

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team that's gonna play him. Terrence Man started this year

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really rough, he got hurt. It's been a really difficult

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season for him this year. I'm fully aware of what's

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half with Terrence Man this year. Holistically, Terrence Man is

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an above average NBA player. He's not a great NBA player.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy who can slide. He's a guy who

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could slide in. And I think basically every rotation as

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to what like like efficiency and helpfulness, that depends on fit.

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But yeah, he's a rotator.

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Speaker 1: He's an NBA player. He's someone who should be in

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a rotation. Maybe he's not a starter. That's fine, he's

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not a starter. Sure people are talking about u Katsuya Baller,

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wonderful name. He said, Terrence is somehow.

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Speaker 2: Regressing over the years.

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Speaker 1: At some point we need to look at a player's

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role and what he's being told to do in this role.

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Because there were times when Terrence Man was playing three

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different positions in the same week. Like and I'm not like,

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anything like that, but like you mentioned, if he's getting

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five minutes of real, actual meaningful minutes, get him off

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the roster because you're just making the rotations harder to

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figure out because now we have this weird thing where like, oh,

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Terrence is gonna get five Dune, Like that's not a

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playoff strategy, right like cut and.

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Speaker 2: We gotta and we gotta figure out. I mean, this

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is this was an issue tonight, It's gonna be an

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issue moving forward. But like, we have too many guards

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that are sort of like one dimensional, and I think

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Terrence is an interesting piece. And then I do think

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you need to ship another guard either KPGA or Done,

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take your pick. They're not going anywhere, and do a

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consolidation move. I know, but I just think, like, what,

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you know, where do those guys really fit into it,

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like a consistent level on a rotation Done, I'm willing

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to give a little bit more of the benefit of

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the doubt just because I feel like the floor is

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a little bit higher for what you can do because

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of what he does defensively, but offensively, he has been

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such a black hole that it's, uh, I mean, we

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talk about this all the time. It's like, you could

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be the best defense in the world, doesn't matter, you're

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not stopping everything. So when you you know, like when

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you're a complete black hole. On the opposite end of

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the floor. It's not not good. What do you You

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ran me down the stag. He's like one for twenty

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one of his last twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the mo heartless problem the Clippers had, where

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you have a guy who's which.

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Speaker 2: Set us back, which was unfortunate because I really like

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my heartless.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not like contract whise, you know, not like But

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and this goes into the main point of like Tie

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has hitched his wagon to KPJ as the backup guard

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or Chris Dunn. But Chris Dunn also like cannot initiate

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an offense in any way, which is very difficult when you're.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much like he kind of lagged his.

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Speaker 1: Ball Beverly, the further we get from like like what

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Pat Bev was able to do.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we loved Pat Bev, but like as a second

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unit guy he would be kind of perfect. He wasn't

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the starting point guard, and it certainly wasn't for the two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like I'm not saying, like, bring Pat Bav back,

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but like if Chris Dunn could initiate an offense even

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just eighty percent of the way that KPJ can, which

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is a huge reason why he is getting time. He

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would be such an incredibly valuable player, but like we're

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stuck with we're still figuring out, we're treating this guard

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rotation like it's like week two. Yeah, you know what

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I mean, Like, well, and that full display the bite

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because that is the unpredictability.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean part of that though, is the unpredictability, right,

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Like what what are you getting out of Kevin Porter

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Junior on a knight to night basis? It's it's kind

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of really unclear, like we know the style of play

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that he's gonna have, which he has improved from where

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he started in the season. He is looking to get

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teammates involved more. He is one of the only true

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ball handlers on the second unit, maybe the only so

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I get it, but it's still the outcome is like

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there's a wild variance in what you're getting night.

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Speaker 1: To night there.

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Speaker 2: And then Christine, I mean, he has just returned to

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the lineup, so I should probably you know, be giving

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him a little bit more of the benefit. But he

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kind of picked back up though where he left off,

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which is a little difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we don't know, you know, Drew you Bay,

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you know, like our bet Drew Banks.

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Speaker 4: We're talking Drew Banks now and Niko but tu we

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love Niko, but two rough season shooting wise from Nico.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just and I'm saying this, this is a

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bit of a nostalgia play. I'll say that if you're

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just joining, welcome to the the clips and dip post

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game hang. But there used to be a consistency vibe

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with Nico, you know what I mean, And now that

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isn't there as much.

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Speaker 2: I think some of that comes, though, like I'm saying,

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with the unpredictability of some of these lineups as to

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like where he's going to be getting the ball, how

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that's all gonna look. I think on a night like

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this where it's like one of three, it's kind of like,

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I don't know that. To me, I'm not that I'm

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not that bummed about that. He was. He was a

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team's second worst, I believe, minus nineteen. But I don't

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think that's actually reflective of agree of his specific output

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on the court. But I do agree.

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Speaker 1: But if he's the back, it's a center for the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that just can't be this in there.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're at.

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Speaker 2: I hear, that's not where we're gonna be at I

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don't think that's where we're at Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You think, okay, we'll talk about and a fan saying

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why aren't they playing team an more? The simple answer

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for when you're at a dinner party, and of course

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the Clippers bench rotation comes up, as it does, you know,

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if you're at the dinner parties, you know, good dinner parties.

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It's because Kevin Porter Junior can initiate in the offense,

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so Tyler values that, and Chris Dunn is better at defense.

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So that's why. And Terrence begets lost in the shuffle

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and it's unfortunate. And he also hasn't had a very

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good season between injury and the start, Like we're not

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saying he's been playing great and not deserving these minutes, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, two extended absences from the lineup due to

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injury combined with you know, going from being a starter

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to not. You know, I think there's a lot in

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lux there. And again, you know, we make a lot

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of concessions for Terrence, which I think is fair because

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he has been asked to do a lot. But I

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don't know, I just we're halfway through the season. Uh,

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he's not. You know, he's not getting any sort of

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consistent rotation minutes. I think I think it might be

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time to move on, which which I don't want. Which

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I don't want, but it's like, you know, he's not playing,

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what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: I agree, And that's what I'm saying, Like, if he's

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not going to.

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Speaker 3: Play stop Charles and this stop Charles and this Patom slander.

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Speaker 1: I'm about saying, it's it's just tough. But like.

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Speaker 2: Somebody you're saying that KBJ has also slipped defensively, which

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I agree.

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Speaker 1: And his defense is also like he wasn't a turnstile.

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KPJ's defense was like better than fine. You know what

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I'm saying, Like, if that's slipping, it's just that it's

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not ideal. I was going too hot on Nick Patum.

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Nick Batub's great. I just wish he was better because

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we need him to be. I get like, and that's

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not a knock on Batom, Like, it's just tough that

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this is our So let's take a quick because I

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think we're gonna put this out for audio, and we

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are gonna put some ads in the audio. S take

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a quick ad break, and then we'll we should talk

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about trade stuff because people are clamoring for it. Trade

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stuff coming up.

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Speaker 2: And three, all right, welcome back in to clips and

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did look we just talked a very uninspiring Clippers performance

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against the Lakers, dropping that game. Now, I mean we're

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at this point less than forty eight hours away from

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the trade deadline. Really like thirty six hours.

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Speaker 1: A KD trade might happened, dur.

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Speaker 2: Truly, anything can happen the way the way that things

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have been leading up into this. But Charles, I'll kick

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it over to you. Like we've talked a lot this

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season about sort of the Clippers prospects, sort of what

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they're thinking future wise, still doesn't really seem to align

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with a big move mid season this year. Where are

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you at? Are you still there? Do you think they should?

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Do you think they with the changed landscape now of

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the West, do they need to make a move? Where

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are you at? Have the last sort of what has

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it been seventy two hours or whatever? And if they

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changed your mind at.

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Speaker 1: All somehow, like the last seventy two hours have felt

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like weeks for everybody who's an NBA fan, if you've

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been living in California with what has been happening in January.

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Speaker 2: The start of the year has felt incredibly low.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of comments in the stream, which if

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you want to check out a stream after the game,

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check us out at YouTube dot com Slush That Clippers podcast.

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Thanks for listening to the audio form of course later on,

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But there's a lot of comments in the chat about

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calling Sexton can the Clippers can call the Sexton the Clippers.

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Here's what teams are prioritizing with trades future draft, especially

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a team like the Jazz.

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Speaker 2: Well, it just depends on who you're looking to make

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a deal with, obviously, but like a team, like a

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team like a Jazz, like the Jazz, they're yeah, they're

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not really even looking for an asset. They're they're they're

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looking to sort of stockpile.

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Speaker 1: They want picks, like when it when the Valanchounis news

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came up, Like, oh, it's gonna be two second round picks.

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The Clippers can kind of barely do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now it's changed though, I think I've heard of first.

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Speaker 1: Float, no ship, Like, it's just not in the cards

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for the Clippers. They're not able to make a big trade.

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They're valuing the new cap rules they're under the luxury tax,

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all this stuff, like the books are still closed until

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the end of next year, I think, and I don't think.

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I don't. Laurence Frank isn't the type to make a

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a knee jerk reaction trade, and Balmer is not. You know,

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he's not he doesn't meddle in the things how they go.

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But I think he wants to make a bigger splash

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later than a medium splash now because whatever trade is

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out there now, like does Colin Sexton make this team

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some juggernaut right? Like how much better the Clippers' chances

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get of winning a title?

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Speaker 2: I just don't really get where you're visiting. So Norm,

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I guess, is out and you have calling Sexton in.

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Speaker 1: I don't to me, that's Norm's not going anywhere because

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the locker, well.

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Speaker 2: But he has this deal. I think Colin's at like eight,

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00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,079
like he's like sub twenty, but he's like, you know,

472
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,960
around that eighteen nineteen number.

473
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, like or you like it just doesn't. I know,

474
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,400
there's like mathematical ways that it works. I understand that,

475
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,319
but there's not realistic NBA trade waste that it works.

476
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,599
And I'm sure in two minutes where you get a

477
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,839
woj bob or something that they make the trade, but

478
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,240
like it's I don't know, Like what do you think,

479
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,640
Like people are, Okay, here's one bouchet, uh would be

480
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,319
a good trade.

481
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on what the ask is. But you know,

482
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,359
at this point, you really need a backup center. So

483
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,160
I think it's worth I think it's worth investigating.

484
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, what is a backup center? Sorry I'm not

485
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,480
gonnalight over, I'm so upset, but like, is a backup

486
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,240
setter putting this team over the top for what they

487
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,720
would have to give up? Like I guess that's where

488
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:14,559
I'm kind of I guess I just don't out. Yeah,

489
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,599
like does he make the Clippers favorite?

490
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 5: No, he's he's absolutely a floor racer, and like you know,

491
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,799
we we trade, then the bench gets even thinner.

492
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,559
Speaker 1: But that might actually be a good thing. So then

493
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,519
rotations get.

494
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is on the bench. So I think that

495
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,960
that makes sense. I think that that makes sense. I

496
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,160
don't know. I I think like it just depends how

497
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680
heavily does the last last seventy two hours, Like does

498
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,359
that like you said, they're not going to do a

499
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,079
knee jerk reaction trade, but like looking at the West,

500
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,039
your competition amping up, and it's like that's the thing

501
00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:59,920
you got to consider too, is like it's not just

502
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,119
this year. Like the Lakers I think are probably less

503
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480
worrisome that this year, depending on what else they do

504
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,880
with the trade headline than like you're if you're thinking

505
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480
about the future and once they get integrated and you know,

506
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,680
they figure out their center rotation and everything like that

507
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,720
you're talking about, you know, they've they've added at least

508
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,440
six years probably to to like a title contentionship window.

509
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,960
And then the Spurs. I mean that's you know, that's

510
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,920
maybe a decade. I mean, well, who knows. We haven't

511
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,720
seen it on the court, you know, but like theoretically

512
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,960
if things work out, you know, I think so you

513
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,960
got to think about you know, there's two avenues of thought.

514
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,759
I guess it's just is there a move out there

515
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,200
that can push you over the top for like this

516
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,559
last year where things are like a little bit more

517
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,000
in flex blocks. Thunder are still very young, you know,

518
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,799
the Rockets, who knows like what they're going to look

519
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,960
like as talented as they are in a playoff scenario.

520
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,440
Grizzlies have had their struggles in the postseason, you know,

521
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,440
do you on that do you try to make a

522
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,440
big move knowing like knowing what the future is, knowing

523
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,880
that and knowing not only that the future is very strong,

524
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,000
but like youthful. You know, you look at a team

525
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,160
like the Sons, who have a lot of veteran talent,

526
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,680
it is not it has shut down and now you know,

527
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,359
like long term there they they put in a lot

528
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
on a win now move and that is going to

529
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,640
that's gonna jam them up for a while.

530
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,759
Speaker 1: Jab Doup is just such a funny churt. You're not wrong,

531
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:40,640
And yeah, I'm just like this game was such a fight.

532
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Someone's asking what are the odds that we don't make

533
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,799
a trade? And I still, like I said, I think

534
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,559
I'm still I still don't think they make any sort

535
00:29:53,599 --> 00:30:00,720
of like highlight or headline sort of breaking trade. Do

536
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,440
you think they do the like, uh, the I think

537
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,640
they I think they do something like that. They have

538
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
to address an obvious hole in the roster. I see

539
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,119
no point, no disrespect to the to the I just

540
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,559
like I see no point in let like, let's hope

541
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,559
the Kauhi has a healthy postseason this year. Why would

542
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,319
you go into a postseason with with Kawhi, and you

543
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,319
know you have limited years with him left with such

544
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,240
a glaring hole in your roster that you haven't. It'd

545
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,200
be one thing if it was like the small ball

546
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,759
had worked, or you know, because we've seen past seasons

547
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,119
where it's like, okay, well, like the backup center rotation

548
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,079
has been garbage, but you know we can kind of

549
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,920
mitigate it with this lineup or with this rotation. We

550
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,880
haven't really found that this year. Uh. And in games

551
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:48,400
where you know, especially in the playoffs, if Zoom is

552
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,559
getting doubled, uh, and that and that's really like reducing

553
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:55,079
his efficiency. That's that's gonna it's gonna stall this offense.

554
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

555
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,839
Speaker 2: And they're gonna need some other options. They're gonna need

556
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,039
some counters to throw out there. So something they gotta

557
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:03,480
figure out.

558
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,839
Speaker 1: Ryan Rojas bringing up a spicy tweet for Ralph Lawler,

559
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,240
who maybe should get off of Twitter just for his

560
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:15,119
own mental health.

561
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:17,319
Speaker 2: I love Ralph Laller.

562
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,759
Speaker 1: Their team is kind of trying to erase the fact

563
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,640
that he was everything announcer for forty years, which I

564
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,640
don't like. Ralph Lahler said, tweeted about swapping Kawhi for

565
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:34,240
k D I don't know it wouldn't. I think it's

566
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,599
a I think it's it's kind of a lateral move.

567
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when well someone in the chat is bringing

568
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440
him go back to the defense first mentality. The way

569
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,039
this team is currently constructed, I do think they might

570
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,519
be worse off with Kevin Durant just because of you know,

571
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,400
how they've built this team, how they've schemed this team, UH,

572
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,759
this roster all year long. I think replacing that piece

573
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:07,960
with kd it is maybe less conducive to UH success

574
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,759
given the current constraints of constraints of the roster. Not

575
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,880
that I think that Kat is worse or anything by

576
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960
any margin. I just think, like if they you know,

577
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,279
they have this thing that they they've been trying to

578
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:19,640
figure out, but poof.

579
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean as you know, as a skinny guy.

580
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,279
I respect what he does for for the skinny guy culture,

581
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,000
but like it's just not people saying Kawhi is better

582
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,759
than or Kat is better than Kawhi. Right now, Kawhi

583
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:39,839
is returning from an injury, So I don't think.

584
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: That's excuse me, well, like and in a vacuum, I mean, offensively,

585
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960
look at the talent that KT is arounding at him

586
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,319
and tell me where the Suns are at right now

587
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,480
in the standings, so like like in a vacuum. Sure, Like, yeah,

588
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,279
he's scoring more points than Kawhi Leonard like, I what

589
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,880
are we doing here? Yeah?

590
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: And with another great take. I'm so confused. I thought

591
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,480
we were second in defense. We were, but they just

592
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:11,400
they looked real tired tonight.

593
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've looked a little. It looks soft on that.

594
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,279
Speaker 1: End and they're not blowing it up. So the people

595
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,079
who were commenting like trade.

596
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:20,359
Speaker 2: We don't have picks.

597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,559
Speaker 1: That's not happening, and I don't it's just not gonna happen.

598
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,680
Anthony Hunt saying Kawhi just said the second group has

599
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:32,359
to get better.

600
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not the starters though, we're like particularly inspiring tonight,

601
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,240
so it's not.

602
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,319
Speaker 1: Maybe not yeah, but also the benches, the bench has

603
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:55,720
been bad. I don't know, it's difficult, man, game Like

604
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:56,160
this just.

605
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,759
Speaker 2: Really highlights everything too that's kind of been going wrong.

606
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,279
It's like it's really hard to hyper focus on everything bad.

607
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're running hot, that's how it goes.

608
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

609
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 1: And now kind of going into what's gonna happen on

610
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,880
Thursday the Clippers now get a Pacers team that just

611
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:21,760
lost to the Blazers, a Pacers team that has been

612
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,519
incredibly hot over the last five games, one hundred and

613
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,880
twenty offensive rating, putting up like one hundred and twenty

614
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,079
five points a game. Siakam and Halliburt and ron A Tear,

615
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,360
how do we feel kind of about this game on Thursday?

616
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Because I don't feel great great?

617
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: But who knows? I mean the trade deadline games, but

618
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,400
the games the day of the trade deadline are always

619
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,920
kind of weird.

620
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: That is a good call. There could be, I mean,

621
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,559
I guess as evidence by the the Pacers kind of

622
00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:01,199
losing tonight. Also, Okay, there's like a trade Kawhi contingent

623
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,880
in the chat and that that just like that's that.

624
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,519
Don't hang your hat on that happening on what that's

625
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:11,199
not gonna happen on Kaid.

626
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. So we'll see. I mean, who's

627
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,760
coming through with the Godfather offer? Because it's not what

628
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,440
I'm saying, like if you get three first three three

629
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,880
three first and and rote like not even not anyone

630
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,880
who's even sniffing an All Star game, but rotation player

631
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,280
salary match. I think you're probably taking it.

632
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you're taking that. That would be a

633
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:48,000
worse trade, Thane. No, but he's not going anywhere.

634
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: And again.

635
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,039
Speaker 1: New arena just opened up. Barbers not sacrificing star power. Yes,

636
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:59,000
the Clippers are close to last and average attendance, but

637
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,400
the stadium is small, more than pretty much every other

638
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,559
stadium I think, other than like ten of them. Like,

639
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,719
he's just not getting worse than that, you know what

640
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:15,079
I'm saying. Like, he's not gonna He's not gonna do that. Yeah,

641
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,559
I don't know, Man, is Thursday, I must win for

642
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:19,960
your own sanity?

643
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: Is Thursday? Unless they make some sort of trade that

644
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,760
makes me feel wildly different about this tame.

645
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what trade

646
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:37,599
is out there. Yeah, I don't feel I don't feel

647
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,440
great right now.

648
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,519
Speaker 2: You know what make me feel different? Ben Simmons on

649
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:45,880
a buyout, Baby.

650
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Okay, what's funny is that we're doing live stream and

651
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,280
not a single person in the chat has brought up

652
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,199
Ben Simmons, uh so chat sound off.

653
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: If you wants what's on the team on a buyout

654
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,639
where you literally give up nothing other than the money,

655
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,920
who cares dignity.

656
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:18,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't hurt. You know Chris g saying Thursday is

657
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,960
definitely a must win. One thing I've concerned about with Thursday.

658
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:26,960
You know who has a pretty good bench MHM Pacers.

659
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:32,280
The Pacers have Obi Toppin and TJ McConnell on their

660
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,400
bench who are annoying to play against. Which is the

661
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,280
mark of a great bench player in the NBA, is

662
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,079
that you're annoying as hell to play against. Will your

663
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,800
Simmons take is getting surprisingly no love, which I am.

664
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,519
I'm gonna be honest, I'm genuinely surprised about. I'm not

665
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:56,159
mad at it. On a buyout for a million dollars, Okay,

666
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,679
Jonathan Ang on your side.

667
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: Let's go on a buyout. I'm just I have to

668
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,920
be honest. It's a risk nothing deal. It's a risk

669
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:06,480
nothing deal for a guy who's still still athletic, still

670
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,800
a solid defender, a really solid passer, and he just

671
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,880
wouldn't need to do any of the stuff that he's

672
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,239
bad at on this team.

673
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: The athletic thing, I think is a pertinent point because

674
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,760
it feels like every year we talk about how the

675
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,760
Clippers need to have more athleticism and they got that

676
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,159
this season, but the last three games have just been

677
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:37,119
so disappointing that I think, like, yeah, Katsu Ball are saying,

678
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,239
we don't need more any more. Nod, Yeah, that's fair, guys.

679
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,519
But the defense hasn't looked great. It's stithing bad, and

680
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,280
Nico needs a rest. Because Nico is going to play

681
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,239
a bunch of time in the playoffs as the center,

682
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,559
he needs rest during the regular season.

683
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,039
Speaker 2: I think I was.

684
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,159
Speaker 1: Going too hot on him earlier. I understand that. I

685
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,559
don't know, do we have any final thoughts before we

686
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:04,800
head out and try and cool off before we have to.

687
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,119
Speaker 2: Let's just kind of flush this one from our memories

688
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:13,360
and onwards and upwards. I guess this does. This game

689
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,159
shouldn't because again it is just one game. It is

690
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,559
terrible loss. But it does make me feel like if

691
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:24,440
this doesn't put it at the forefront of the front

692
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,360
office's mind, like they have to do something. And I'm

693
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360
still like, I'm not even saying like a huge like

694
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,039
a huge swing, but they gotta do something. They got

695
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,079
to do a consolidation move, they have to figure out

696
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,000
the second unit, and everybody has to be better.

697
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think this portfolio comment is

698
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,880
very funny. We need three point shooters, just smoking crack.

699
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,719
If we have Bet Simmons, that's a funny bit.

700
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: Fair quill.

701
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Will actually is doing that. Okay, I like this.

702
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Let's get Kyrie for.

703
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:03,039
Speaker 2: Ap from the best. He's like a fair trade catuller.

704
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Katsuya Baller has figured it out. Nico Harrison would take that.

705
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,559
We throw in a couple of in and out coupons

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because Waterberger sucks, and we'll be good to go. Okay, uh, Will,

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real quick, your player of the game for Thursday against.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get a win.

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Speaker 1: I don't fucking care. I'm gonna go. I know we

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can't pick him, but I'm saying zoo because he's going

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against Miles Turner. He's played well against him before. He's

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gonna want to bounce back. Let's go clips. All right,

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We're gonna do an episode maybe Friday. I don't know.

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We'll figure it out. Thank you for hanging out. Will.

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Where can these people find us and tell their coworkers listen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can listen to wherever you get your podcasts.

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If you have been listen over on Apple Podcasts, Spotify

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with this little ring interview and help us out. If

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you're watching this, you're probably tuning in post game. We

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do these streams over on YouTube dot com. That's at

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Clippers Podcast. Best place to check us out. Go ahead, subscribe,

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hit the little bell or whatever so you know when

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we come out with new shit. But however you consume

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the show, just know we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We very much do. We'll be back at some point.

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Here's to a little on Thursday. Here's a good rest

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of your week. It's only Tuesday, but whatever, have a

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very rest

