Speaker 1: Hi, This is Tony.
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Speaker 1: Go check him out.
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beef bullyon cubes in your freaking shower heads. Welcome to
another episode of A Crime Pays a Bond He Doesn't Podcast. Today,
my guest is the illustrious young gentleman known as the
Sacramento Food Forest on Instagram and TikTok, my buddy Jesse Dixon,
who resides out there in northern California up in Sacramento
and has been doing a good job of spreading the
message of the living world and getting people interested in
native plants, native ecosystems, native ecology, and just paying attention
to the living world around him. So I'm very excited
to have him on and here we go. All right,
Jesse dis So, what's going on? How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you man? I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2: You you've been I saw you were in the desert
lately and you were at where were you you were
at the California Native Plant Society Conference in southern California too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they invited like some like people make videos like
Golden State Naturalists, Griff Gordon, the Fantastic fascinated by fun
guy guy, he's so funny.
Speaker 1: So it was fun.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, it's great. Did they have a nice refreshment's table?
They probably had nice refreshments and merch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all expensive for the merch for the refreshment.
Speaker 3: I don't drink though, so like everyone like, they use
it as an opportunity to like drink after and talk.
Speaker 2: So I can stand guy there, Yeah, I don't drink. Yeah, yeah, no,
thank you man. No, give me like an an a
beer or some green teaen fucking you know.
Speaker 1: Give me some orange soda sun kissed.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you drink that ship with the high fruit
though sent it. Yeah, my god, fucking brutal fire. I
got my addiction's caffeine.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know when I hit when I do too much coffee,
then I move on to the green tea, which a
drink in an abundant the mounts. But but yeah, so
that was Has it been a good rain year for California?
Speaker 4: It looks like it.
Speaker 3: It's been good, but it's been super weird. Like we
got rain really early. But the good thing about the
early rain is it rained at the perfect time for
like our struggling salmon run to get the areas they've
been trying to get too can't reaps like dry Creek.
So we had salmon and dry creek, which was amazing, dude.
Speaker 1: But so we had good rain.
Speaker 3: Then it stopped and towards the end, like right now,
it's really warm, so things are blooming super early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're you know, I see all the stuff
you're doing. It's like you're retracing my steps all this
shit I was doing there fifteen years ago. It's kind
of cool.
Speaker 1: Like the salmon, dude.
Speaker 2: But the salmon run, I remember like going because we
would go to Marine when I lived in oaklah We
would drive the Marine to go like get hints in
nature and go check out the Serpentine areas. And I remember,
you know, there were signs on the creeks it said
sam would show up, but I never saw any. It
was kind of like I never even saw that. Where
do you see all the salmon?
Speaker 1: And well, Marin we actually went there last year. We went.
Is it Laguta Creek or Loukanta's or something. Yeah, we're
talking about. Yeah, there we go Logas.
Speaker 3: We went there last year and we saw only one
one Coho that area. Get to Coho and they're really struggling.
But for me, there's multiple spots. I love to go
to Dry Creek. There's an Auburn ravine and then do
you know where Nimbus Dam is? No, A Nimbus dam
is like a dam that's.
Speaker 1: Before fulsome damn.
Speaker 3: It's like flood control for ranch of Cordova Farroaks area,
and that's where the old Nimbus Hatchery fish ladder is.
Speaker 1: So if you go over there, you'll see thousands of fish.
It's so crazy, man.
Speaker 3: But it's just kind of sad too because you know,
some are like hatchery, so they're just kind of eluding
the genetics in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not what It kind of must have
been so amazing to see fucking three four hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, no, dude, it would have been mind blowing.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like everywhere in like western North America,
even where I live, you know, in South Texas, like
you know, relatively recently, like shit didn't start getting cleared
and masts down here in the borderlands till like you know,
eighteen late eighteen hundreds, nineteen nineteen hundred maybe, you know,
but just amazing. Just to see intact ecosystems must have
been incredible.
Speaker 1: Especially for California.
Speaker 3: Everything is so altered, man, So if you think about it,
it's kind of like a mind fuck. You're like, oh,
there's houses here, but maybe one hundred years ago that's
used to be a river there, but they refloated, and
so it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the death Cult still got there
much later, a few hundred years later than it did
on the East coast, so there's still stuff is still
you know, much more intact there than out east where
it's had you know, five hundred plus years of being wrecked.
But either way, but yeah, man, so that I remember
seeing salmon up on the Shasta little Shasta River, but
and I know they.
Speaker 3: Just I haven't checked. Yeah, I haven't checked that area,
but it seems beautiful.
Speaker 2: I spent so much time up there, like like the
duns duns Mere Weed, Siscu County. I mean, there's just
there's such incredible ship and it's all volcanic too, volcanic
or serpentine.
Speaker 1: So many endemics.
Speaker 3: That's how you could tell if someone actually cares about
like cool species. If you bring up serpentine and they
don't get excited, You're like, okay, you doesn't know yet,
he doesn't know yet.
Speaker 2: It's a good gauge. Yeah, I know, it's a good gauge.
It's like, oh, you gotta be we gotta get you
on this stuff. We gotta you, gotta you gotta understand
the serpentine endemism. But yeah, I felt really lucky to
learn botany in California because, like, serpentine is such a
big part of it, and it was that really rammed
home the idea of how closely geology can be tied
to plant speciation and endemism. You know, I completely agree.
Speaker 3: That's the stuff I'm starting to learn about more now
as a geology and it's so mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So where do you like when learning stuff like that?
You should just take a Have you taken any community
college courses? I say community college. That's cheaper than fucking
paining happy ass like you know some but yeah, like
just just like a community college geology course, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I should do. But I'm more like you.
I'm mostly self taught.
Speaker 3: I have a really amazing mom who vetted my addiction
to nature since I was a little kid. Instead of
like being against it, she helped me and get me
books and take me places.
Speaker 1: So I've always been interested in plants. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nature education is so important for kids, or
at least to get them to understand what it is
and not be afraid of it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like, like you can learn.
Speaker 3: So like my girlfriend, I'm my girlfriend, I'm we've been
dating for three years, so when I first met her,
she didn't know anything about plants or mushrooms, and now
she's calling out plants before me, like.
Speaker 1: Just because iinat Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: It's such a great tool. It's crazy. That's what's crazy too,
is like, yeah, I hear these like old it's mostly
like old men. But I'll hear like older men complain
that they don't like inad or what and they don't
really understand how it works. I know, like I know that,
you know, but they're like I don't like it, and
it's like what a funck nut. It's like an open
source platform. First off, you don't have to share locations.
You can obscure or privatize them. You keep your own
blog book, your own record of everything you've seen. So
if you forget a name, you can look it up,
and if you forget a location, you can look it up,
and you learn so much more about everything around you.
Like it's it's such a great fucking tool, you know.
But yeah, and you can look at taxonomy, like you know,
I always tell people whenever you're looking at a plant,
always pay attention to what family it's in. If you're
not paying attention to what family it's in, you're you're
depriving yourself with the opportunity to start recognizing the traits
of different families and then teach yourself the fact they'll
play it that identification and you can go to e
naturalist and click on a species page it's something you've observed,
and then go to the taxonomy and see what family
it's in and all this shit. You start recognizing similarities like, oh,
this is in the carrot family too. It kind of
looks like that other one I saw that was in
the Carrott family. Oh that makes sense, now I know
what the carrot family means.
Speaker 1: You know, but.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know I was like that until a
few months ago, because like on the iPhone app, it's
pretty garbage. It's fun to use, but like you don't
get all the information you get like on a computer.
Speaker 1: It's sick.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I've heard. The I use Android, I can't.
I can't stand Apple, but uh, I've heard the phone
app is kind of ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're too based for Apple.
Speaker 2: I just I remember I tried it once and I
was like, this is just it's you know, and then
I'm then you're stuck on it, you know, whereas Android
is like it's you know, you can use any different
model of phone. But but yeah, they should, you know,
they should.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, like the developers of the app
or have made it so different for Apple, but.
Speaker 1: They would get so much more use as they made
it better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know, you've also got websites like
you know, if iin ass feeling, you I mean, you
get you have cal Flora, which is that's like the
fucking gold standard of of looking up plants. They've got
the what grows here thing? You know function, and whoever selects.
The photos they use for their thumbnail picks is really
good too, like they they you know where it's like
ininad like the thumbnail for a species, the photo for
a species page might be shit, there's can't tell what
the plant is, But on calclados they really curate it well,
or cal flora they really curated.
Speaker 3: It is really nice for looking for stuff too, Like
if you're like, I can't find this one flower, you
can just look through there and it really helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, and then it ties to the jepsum
you know, or you can look for like if you
know something's in a family but you don't know what
plant it is, you can type in the family and
then set like a polygon on the map around where
you observed it. It's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Do you go to Jepson every like the jets of vertopools?
I did.
Speaker 2: I've gone there before, yeah, years ago. I mean I
moved away from California five years.
Speaker 1: Ago now, so we miss you.
Speaker 2: It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I go back.
Speaker 2: It's nice to go back. I missed the flora there.
It's so different from here, and the precipitation regime especially,
it's so different from here. But but yeah, man, I
mean I remember going to those seeing all the Downingia's
all the cool, you know, these clades of you know,
ephemerals that spend most of their time just lying in
seed form and then wait for the winds rains. So cool.
You've been you've been up on the vernal pools lately, huh.
Speaker 1: I love the verna pools, man, They're so beautiful.
Speaker 3: My favorite thing about the vernal pools is like most
of the year you'll look at them and it looks
so barren, and then you go there at the right
time and it's just all color.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts and it's like all you know, you'll
see rings of color too, where like one species needs
a certain condition, you know, and as the pool starts
to dry up from the outside in, you'll have these
different you know, different different species going off. It kind
of like segregates the different plant species which have different
color flowers. It's so fucking cool. Yeah, there was a
bunch up by Chico. I remember a friend of mine
who lived up there. Uh, John Ditties, John.
Speaker 1: Ditties, John Dittys. Have you met him? No, I know,
but that's an amazing name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's cool. He lives right on the on Uh,
I think some river up i Chico. I forget where.
He's got a really cool house. I remember he had
a bunch of pipe vine in his yard and it
was I went there once to visit him and him
and him and his wife, and it was just covered
in swell tailed butterflies.
Speaker 4: But uh but sick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but there was.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of cool vernal pools up there. Where
are the vernal pools there? It's Jepson. Where is that exactly?
That's in Vacaville.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like between Vacaville and Dixon. Like you right
when you see the I fit on eighty where Dixon is,
you get off there and then just go down into
the farm land. So it's in Solano County. Still, my
favorite personally is Mayther. I don't know if you've ever
been there, but oh my god, dude, it's right by.
Speaker 1: My house too. The cool thing about Mather too is Mayther.
Speaker 3: For me, like when I first started getting into verna pools,
Mather like opened my eyes to different management strategies. So
when you go to Jepson, you'll notice how bier verse
and beautiful it is. Obviously, but you'll notice they also
have a lot of sheep and cattle that will go
around there managing the land, whereas Nay, there they just
set it on fire.
Speaker 1: And there's so many more species.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it should be. Yeah, that's cool. Where is
where's the Coyote Creek spot that you were talking about?
I remember you put in videos up they wanted to
build some solar plant there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kaydie, do you know where Prairie City State
qual Recreational Area is? No?
Speaker 2: Is it in there? Whereas it is it?
Speaker 1: It's in County County.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in Sacramento County on the border of I
think Eldorado. And it might be a plaster act because
it's when you're on Fulsome, when you're on fifty, you're
about the hit Eldorado Hills, so it's right between Foulsome
I think. Though it's called White Rock Road, it's it's
directly adjacent to a off road state park where it
has vernal pools, but it's mainly off roaders. But it
honestly opened my eyes to I've always kind of had
an issue with off road people growing up, but they're
pretty based. Like when you get them on your side
for land management uses. Man, they are ready to fight.
They get down. But so, Prairie City is a I
believe it's the number one off road state park in
all of California. It gets over two million visitors a year,
brings it fifty million dollars in tax dollars to the
local communities. And they wanted to build a solar farm
at Kytie Creek, which is right across from it, and
Kydie Creek is a twenty seven hundred acre property as
over three thousand oak trees, mainly blue oak woodlands.
Speaker 1: It's a farmer.
Speaker 3: I can't remember his name, but he was at the
conference gas lighting so hard because he called himself I admit, sure,
I read this over you.
Speaker 1: He's a self described.
Speaker 3: Pioneer family who came to the who walked up to
the land and claimed it. He said he claimed it
when it was barren. He claimed it when it was barren.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how barren was it was a blue oak woodland.
They see it sounds like a jack So this dude's
trying to cash in.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's hardcore.
Speaker 3: This dude basically wanted to turn it into a pitt mine.
And the county said no, and so he told the
county Plan B would be a solar farm, and that's
when the Sierra Clip hit me up. They're like, we
need help because everyone is just passing it because they
were using green energy to basically greenwash the whole project
and buy local profit.
Speaker 1: Fucked.
Speaker 2: It's so fucked when one person, you know, it's my land, really,
it's your You're going to take it with you when
you die, it's your land. Like when one person has
so much control, I mean that's the default in Texas,
where everything's privately owned. It's such a it's such a drag,
you know, it's it's just the way everything is. And
so one person, you know, they're their parents might have
been cool and want and appreciated the life there and
wanted to preserve it. And then their parents die and
the kids are all spoiled turds, and you know they help,
They fight amongst each other for who's going to inherit it,
and then you know, they divide it up into little
ten ten acre rancheetahs that they're going to sell to
some knobs who you know, want want the illusion of
country living, and everything gets destroyed. There's no respect for
the land. So this dude, I mean, why doesn't he
just sell it to the county. I mean the county
or someone could probably still offer him money for it.
It's not gonna get as much as maybe if he
was gonna sell to a similar farm. But what's his deal.
Speaker 3: He turned down about thirty million dollars in climate easements.
They were gonna put uasements on the whole thing to
preserve it forever, and he said no. He's kind of
doing like the classic rich farmer like work around where
he's saying, we don't have enough money to control the farm,
but we don't want to do this. We want to
do this even at his wife go up there and
cry saying they need money. But then the Sierra Club
came up and they're like, they're talking about they don't
have money. They turned down thirty million dollars from us.
Their property is worth million.
Speaker 2: Thirty million, So what does it mean thirty million dollars
with easements, Like it's still it's his land, but it's
put into a conservation easement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically it'll be his land forever. He could
farm it, he could do whatever. He just can't develop it.
You can't build a road there there.
Speaker 1: What a fucking yeah, I know, because it destroys this
whole argument of saying he needs the money to afford
his property, because they're like, we'll give you the money
today if you say yes, and he just keeps saying no.
Speaker 2: How is thirty million bucks not enough for him?
Speaker 1: He's a pioneer family.
Speaker 2: Likes like money, like actual money, not like thirty million
dollars in tax and incentives. But thirty million, cold hard dollars.
What a what a fucking douche?
Speaker 3: And these organizations have a lot of money. They're trying
to buy land right now, not buy it, but put
Smith's on it. Like you have the State Land Trust,
you have the Sierra Club, you have the Individual Land Trust.
Speaker 1: Like these people were ready to save it. They just
the property owner wasn't willing.
Speaker 2: God, man, imagine what kind of value system you have
to have if like someone's offering you thirty million dollars
and you still don't want to, you know, do something
that's going to like protect land and everything that lives
on it. That's not so what's the status now? So
that some solar company was going to buy it, but
then their main customer that was going to purchase the
electricity said we're not going to purchase this anymore.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Mud, Yeah, that's pretty cool. The Smudge backed
out of it because of the lawsuit.
Speaker 3: But the problem is that the issue is the county
gave them the permit. The county passed at five to
OZHO and the county used the same big thing you said.
The county basically said people have a right to do
whatever they want with their property. That's why they passed it.
And they agreed that. The county commissioner that had one
literally said where is Smud? Why is Smud not here?
Why is no one representative trying to make excuses why
we should do this. But we're still going to pass
it because people can do whatever they want with their lands.
Speaker 2: Properly and then right seah, just no collective responsibility. What
that's fucked man.
Speaker 1: And the big thing I also want to get across
for this project is it really opened my eyes to.
Speaker 3: How unsustainable a lot of these solar projects are. So
for Heidie Creek, It's Foothills, oak Woodlands and Vernaples. They
want to use to eight tons of dynamite every day
for two months straight and.
Speaker 1: Then they're going to use fill trucks to take all
the dirt out and then put new filled dirt in,
and then they're saying, in thirty five years the lease
is over and then they're going to return the land
to what it was. How the fuck do you do that?
How do you blow There's no way.
Speaker 2: Why do they need to blow it up to level
it out or something or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to level it out because it's foothills.
It's right where the valley hits the foot hills.
Speaker 2: It's so fucked the solar farm things. Fuck they did
that out here. I think it was British Petroleum. They
destroyed thousands of payote plants, thousands of starcac dis plants,
the only population of euphobia anti cephalitica down here, which
is actually a different it's a new species. And yeah,
it was fucked, man, but it's you know, it's it's Texas.
And they had, you know, all these shiny faces, you know,
with their fucking lip injections and the botox whatever, you know,
male and female botox. It's you know, everybody gets both
toxic smiling with the ribbon cutting ceremony. And meanwhile you've
got all these parking lots that just cook in the sun.
And you know, it's so hot here. I mean, the
sun just destroys the paint and yeah, ammobiles, all the interior,
you know, the plastic offcasting and shit. It's like, oh
my god, so fucked up here. They could have put
those solar panels above the parking lots, but they're destroying,
you know, but people don't. Most of the people that
live down here are so disconnected from the land. I
just they have no idea what's being lost, and nobody cared.
Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous. You're lucky.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about California, man, It's like it's nice
that people it's like generally more in the zeitgeist. They're like, oh, yeah,
it's nice to have plants and trees. Yeah, in native
habitat around you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they try to get the project passed.
Speaker 3: There's an organization called sack Tree. There are a nonprofit
that goes around Sacramento. They plant oak trees. They're basically
completely dedicated. They're protecting oak woodlands, oak trees and city trees.
Speaker 1: That are oaks.
Speaker 3: And what happened is the local nonprofit paid them off
and sack Tree. It was used to greenwash the whole project,
where everyone was against it at first, and then when
sack Tree showed up and basically was like, we're sack Tree,
you trust us to protect all the trees.
Speaker 1: We think they're doing a good job.
Speaker 3: So then the county just used them as the excuse
to be like, okay, zac Tree said it will be fine,
that you're gonna plant acorns, so it'll be good.
Speaker 2: That's that's so crazy. God damn. So what is it
right now? It's it's like oak kind of savannah, like
rolling green hills with blue oaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah he has cattle of course, the cattle are by
the riperian areas and the vernal pools. And then the Yeah,
it's blue oak woodland, blue oak savannah. And apparently I
haven't been able to I can't say if I am
actually so, maybe the UC Davis did a study there
and found the oldest, tallest and largest blue oaks left
in California on that property.
Speaker 2: Wow, damn, shout out the corcus the glacier. Yeah, yeah,
that's nuts, man, It's crazy. That thing is that. That's
a very heat tolerant tree too.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I've heard it's the most dronk tolerantree
in California. I don't know if that's actually true, but
I've heard it from multiple like scientists people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they you know, they get they get that
fungal sheath all over the roots that act the micro
rhizal sheath. I mean, I'm sure that helps all the
oaks out there. You know, there's tons of cool mushrooms
come up beneath it.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I was in Soco, that's what it
was all throwing me off. I was like, ah, there's
is palm trees. I missed all the oaks and the
mushrooms and the flowers, like the whole woodland.
Speaker 1: It made me realize how much I love them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about like the native palm oases or
just the palms that are planted everywhere inside of California.
Speaker 1: That well both The palm oasis was gorgeous. I loved it. Yeah,
but in the city.
Speaker 3: I was in Riverside, man, those motherfuckers are water vampires.
Speaker 1: Bro. Like across there the house there was a nursery
there that would keep their sprinkler on all night and
driving me insane. God, this not even just looking at
seeing it.
Speaker 2: It's so nuts. Yeah, it's so it's so fucking obscene.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: This see lawns and irrigation for just you know, landscaping,
like heavy irrigation, for landscaping in places where it's that hot,
like in the Southwest, or especially when you see the
sprinklers and they're just watering the sidewalk in the Oh
my god.
Speaker 1: Yes, idiots, you gotta water this cement. Bro I'll keep
it alive. It lasts longer.
Speaker 2: You need like gangs the teens to go out there
and vandalize those irrigation systems or something, you know, and
just it keeps happening until you know, the owner just
gives up. You know, if the city there's not going
to be laws against it, just get the teens, you know,
get angry things to go vandalize it.
Speaker 1: Why not. That's how I feel about honey beehives. Yeah,
that's the thing too.
Speaker 2: Someone just sent me an email for because I get
these publicists sending me emails and they're like, oh, would
you like to, you know, have me on your podcast
to talk about the bees, And it was like it
was just the tot honeybee book. It's like, I don't
want to fucking no. I don't care about honey bees.
I hate honey bees, especially where I live. They're all
fucking deadly too. They're all yeah, scooter, Yeah, yeah, man.
I have friends that have almost died from getting attacks.
One of my my one of my friends who's a
snake guy, he's a herper.
Speaker 1: He got it.
Speaker 2: He got attacked by bees. Another friend of mine got
stung like hundreds of times and somehow survived. Yeah. They're
really nasty, man. It's crazy because you'll be like fifty
feet from the hive and a couple of them start
coming at you, you know, and then once a couple
come at you, and now you're marked and you have
to leave the area immediately.
Speaker 1: Fuck. Have you seen the killer be guy on like Instagram?
He's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I had him on here like a few
months ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have to listen to that. That dude
makes me laugh so hard. I love how he he
leans into it. He talks shit, he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I know, he's totally It's like if
you don't if you've ever been to Bisbee, Arizona, but
that guy is like total bisbeeye, you know. It's just
like it's yeah, he's cool. There's old, old, old, uh
old haggard wing nut you know that I said in
a good way, and you know, as a wing myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just is like all all about.
Speaker 2: His thing and yeah, man, he's a Yeah, they're great.
I love watch some of the ship that they go through.
Just it does. It looks like the Seventh Portal of Hell.
Just these fras, you know, like a dilapidated, dilapidated, dilapidated
trailer in the middle of the desert is just filled
with it. A hive with like five million you know, like.
Speaker 1: You know, super last huge hives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, just so yeah, because they can last for years,
you know, some of those things with that it's gnarly.
I remember seeing a faral honeybee hive in the Mohave once.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I saw a bunch of bees going into some rock
crevice on a big granite boulder and I was like
thirty feet away, but I could hear them. There were
so many of them. It was nuts. I think there
was an old woman mountains I forget, but yeah, so
you were just in the desert though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was in U.
Speaker 3: I went to Antebrago, I went to Joshua Tree, the
Sultan Sea.
Speaker 1: Have you been to Sultan Sea? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah A long years the vibe Vie for a
Kopeia Mountains.
Speaker 1: Yeah are you are?
Speaker 2: You got a four wheel driver? What are you taking
out there?
Speaker 1: A two thousand call me? Yeah? Yeah, dude, it's getting
towards the end of its life. I think it needs
like a new radiator fan or something. But bro, that car.
Speaker 3: I try to tell people that cars taking me to
like every inch of California.
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, that's what I did. I had like
a eighty nine Honda Prelude. It was what I learned
to drive. Yeah, like two thousand and six. That was
what I learned to drive stick shift on. And then
I had like another Honda Civic that I remember launching
a toilet off of the hood of the car when
I was hammered once a friend. We were driving down
like old industrial corridors Oka. We had this old toilet
and maybe we were like listening to thrash metal and
you know, got up to like yeah, no one was out,
no one was going to get hurt. It's like an
industrial state. We got the car up to like sixty
miles per hour, slammed on the brakes, just launched the
toilet like you know a hundred and just trope away.
Speaker 1: That sounds fun activities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, you know, before I got sobered, it
was I'm glad I had some you know, I had
some nights like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But now that you're sober, you're calmer. Now it's
Honda's Well.
Speaker 2: The thing is to try and be crazy without booze,
you know, and you be yourself and all that went
up booze, so which, you know.
Speaker 1: That's what I had to learn to when I got
off the pills. I thought I would never be the
same to that eight years oh nice. Yeah, yeah, man,
that was a big pill head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just alcohol for me. But I tried
to try to get you know, help other people get
get off of it, because man, alcohol sucks. It's so
fucking whack. It just it just prevents self growth. It
numbs you from all the ship you need to feel.
It's just it's such a like it stunts everything, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have family from Pine Ridge, Like my family's
originally from Pine Ridge, South Dakota Reservation, and that this
is like a textbook example of what alcohol could do.
So like seeing that made me never touch I don't
like the flavor either. But like growing up and seeing that,
I was like, yeah, I'm scared of this.
Speaker 2: Oh you never drank to begin with.
Speaker 3: No, I was always I basically I did. I used
to do like muay Thai. I still do the jiu
jitsu now, but not muay Thai.
Speaker 1: And I was able to get on painkillers from fights,
and then I just started taking more and more and
it just turns into your whole life basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like the opposite. I never
got into like opiates. I just never liked them, you know.
But but yeah, but and then, but like with Booze too,
I would like I'd quit drinking for like five months.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, see, I don't have a problem.
Speaker 2: I could, I could quit, you know, but then I'd
go tear one off whenever I you know, whenever that ended,
and and it's just like, you know, it's just white
knuckles just because you can white knuckle it through five
months of quasi. Sobriety doesn't mean you're not a drunk,
you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because you don't. You got to address the reasons why
you're drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not. Yeah, you're not dealing with any of
your But I mean there's people you see that all
over the world that aren't alcoholics but still aren't dealing
with their ship. And in a way, I feel like
I was lucky, like my ship with alcohol forced me
to deal with other things about myself that were that
needed to be addressed. You know, I would just agree
came from fucked up childhood or fight with people or whatever.
But anyway, So, so you were in the desert for
a few weeks and then came up, are you gonna
have back down there or what?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted Because I wanted, I didn't get
to I mean, I had to freeze the planes. And
that ship looks like it's popping off right now. So
I might drive down there for like a weekend to
go see that. Betther than that, it's flower season in
North calis I kind of want to go to the Serpentines, like,
look at serpentine soil.
Speaker 1: There's a place Traverse Creek. I've no I don't know
if you've heard of there, but it's, oh my god,
I fucking love it. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2: You were getting into a bunch of the native lily ace,
right native.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love the fertilarious. Like last night, we
just drove up to Cash Creek and then we found
adobe lilies. It was so nice. The fertilia, they're so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Which one which.
Speaker 1: I think Flora flora or Florum point? Yeah? Yeah, And
then I want to look for Fertillaria falcata and then.
Speaker 2: Have you seen them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing is incredible. Yeah I can. I'll send
you some points, you know, just yeah, don't share, of course,
but uh, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I loved about California that was so cool,
especially getting into plants, was you know, one genus would
have so many different species in it, and you could
just see how these different forms had evolved, you know,
for different different landscapes or geologies or whatever. But still
like you know, they were like in close proximity to
each other where you could see you know, a number
of them in a day just by driving around. It
was really really you you know, a really good example
of natural selection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of those habitats, like I remember I
saw the video of you. I think you were looking
at a fritillary falcata and.
Speaker 3: It looked like you were like on fucking mars bro
The floor was like all eroded into crumbles and you're
just high up on this hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Serpentine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's just like what the plant shows that.
The flight was like this is my spot, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: San Benito County has some really good serpentine and then
there's some yeah there was. There's a bunch in like Alameda.
There's a bunch of cool serpentine Alameda County. I think
it's Alameda, Stanislas County. So it's a weird area, I mean,
but it's those It's like, you know, you could like
drive along the roads there and you see this habitat
and it just it's it just draws you in because
it's so fucking bizarre. You're like, man, what And those
the ghost pines that, oh god, I can't believe that
I forgot the species name Pina sabiniana. You know, they're
growing all scraggly, they're not straight, they're like growing all
strat scraggly and tortured and you know, no needles on
like the bottom eighty percent of this well it looks
like a twisted flagpole or something. You know, it's just
really bizarre, just the coolest show. Cool yeah, man.
Speaker 1: I just serpentine is addicting, Like the habitats are so addicting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it shows you how, you know, how a
plant can have like a quote normal relative, a normal
species in the genus you know that grows, you know,
on thicker soils that aren't too chemically stressful, and then
you see a relative on serpentine and it looks fucking insane.
It's got like glaucous more bluish shoes and it's all
you know, pigmy colored like dwarfed and yeah, just just
totally weird. There's I remember there was a there's a
you know, there's the bands of serpentine going north and
south right in the coast ranges, and then a few
in the Sierra Nevada as well, and so there was
some I forget the county. It was north of eighty though,
But there's another cool spot up there, you know, where
there was a willow species I remember seeing that grows
on serpentine that just looks not what. I forget this.
I forget where, I forget the species, but it was
like a dwarfed willow with like these fuzzy leaves and
everything that grows on those serpentine areas always tends to
have pubescents, like you know, hairs on it and like
a gloous color because the serpentine is hard for a
lot of shit to grow on, so it's more barren,
there's less shade, there's more sun exposure, and so that
kind of selects for you know, the drought tolerant traits
like you know, hairs on leaves or block color, blue coat,
toxic soil.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah man, So we were going,
what were you when you were when you.
Speaker 2: Were getting into like the the lilies. Where how did
that start?
Speaker 1: It started with finding like Humboldt lilies.
Speaker 3: When I go to like the foothills, I'd see like
Lilliam Humboltiy HUMBOLTI eye like the one that's made it here.
Speaker 1: And then I.
Speaker 3: Started like just noticing how cool they were because if
you look close, man, it's like they're so crazy, Like
Mariposa says, like, you walk past those if you're not
looking for because they're so small, but if you've looked
at all the fur, the colors, it's addicting. And then
my girlfriend started getting into it, and so now every
year early we're like, okay, Early springs is fertilaria time,
and then later in the year we'll look for some
super blooms and then it's gonna be maripos a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just they're just my favorite I got.
Speaker 3: We were saying back there, there's like certain things like serpentine,
calichordis fritillaria, like when people.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, you can be like, Okay, this guy's
a planner.
Speaker 2: So you got But you started off like because I
remember when you were a lot of the stuff you
used the post it was all about like old growth redwoods,
you know, stuff like that. How did you, I guess
this is this is where I want to know more about,
like your personal backgroun. How did you get into all
this stuff?
Speaker 1: Just from going up at Humble.
Speaker 3: I was going to go to school up there, and
then we just started seeing the redwoods. The first place
I ever visited when I came to California, like, was
what's that tree.
Speaker 1: Called Chandler to the chandelier tree or Chandler tree, the
one the hole in it? And I remember being a kid,
everyone was like ella and joining me and I went
to my mom, why why how is this good?
Speaker 2: Like, what's what's the shandelier. Oh like the what are
you talking about the was it a redwood or what?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, sorry, it's an old girlth redwood. It's about
three thousand years old. It's fucking mashing, dude. But it
as a hole in it, and it kind of fucked
with me as a kid, and because I thought the
tree was so amazing that my mom was like explaining
how a bunch of them got cut and how they
did this for tourism, and then it made me just
obsessed with this. Old girls forests started with redwoods and
then it turned into oaks. What I like about the
Redwood forest is it's just like an extreme example of
how amazing nature could be. You got the tallest trees,
you got, it's just everything is amazing. Oh yeah, it's
you take someone.
Speaker 2: If you take someone who grew up in like the
suburbs of fucking Dallas or Atlanta, or like grew up
in you know, New York City or something, you're taken
to the Redwoods, it'll and just leave them there without
a bunch of fucking tourists around and just be like,
just spend the day here. You know, it'll knock them
on their ass eventually, there's no way it can't to
see these things that are that fucking massive and that
old and that tall.
Speaker 1: You know, it's nice, the cleanest air ever too. Man,
when you're breathing up there, it feels like the baler
like it feels so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the species diversity in a redwood forest is
not very high, but the things are so so huge,
so enormous, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was like. It was kind of
hard in the beginning. I was filming a lot of flowers,
and I like them, but I also loved the big tree.
So like the redwood stuff was going very virale, so
I kept filming more redwoods. But like it's all about
for me, I get sad, Like when it's winter it
starts getting dark early, I start thinking about like sad things,
and so I usually will winter, I'll be like, Okay,
we're gonna go to the redwoods.
Speaker 1: We're gonna film some mushrooms and trees, and then when
stuff starts blooming again, we'll start heading back south to
like the valley, the foothills and stuff.
Speaker 2: So what you said when you when you came to California?
When did you move to California?
Speaker 1: And I think I was like, sorry, I was in
a commas. I was young.
Speaker 2: You were, yeah, you were, but you were like a
young ass kid then, so you've been most of your
life there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, basically a calculator. I love it here, man.
I don't think I could. I actually I don't.
Speaker 3: Know if I could say I could leave because there's
so many issues, but the plants, the delta, I just
don't know how I could leave that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or I mean just public land in general, like
all the public land is out west, you know, until
they come and try and take it. Until there's like
some sleeve bag politicians and the you know, the people
that are dumb en have to vote for him enable
all the public land.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Let's hope that doesn't happen. But who knows, Man, it's
not due they got you know, that guy Mike Lee,
he's got a real heart on for I mean, all
these people do, these ship bags you know, that are
just their values are fucked, you know, and they're.
Speaker 1: About Steve Pierce part of a culture.
Speaker 2: That worships money and believes in you know, all the
all the weird evangelical shit these nuts believe, Yeah, fucking nuts, man,
God just straight up death cult ship. Now, who's Steve Pierce.
Speaker 1: Oh, you haven't heard about Steve Pierce. He's like Mike
and Mike Lee's pick for the head of the Bureau
of Land Management. He's a piece of shit, dude. He's like,
I think he's worse than Mike Lee. Mike Lee.
Speaker 3: The thing about Michael is a piece of shit, but
he's kind of open about it. Steve Pierce, it's like
spent his whole career trying to sell national parks. He
was a senator in New Mexico. He has videos online
where he explains the landowners how to sue the governent
over public lands and how you want to sue over
multiple things because you could be right, he said.
Speaker 1: He clearly said you could be wrong about everything, but
if you're right about one thing, they have to pay
for it.
Speaker 2: God, I see this, Oh my god. These guys all
look the same. They all look like like walking thumbs.
You know, he's faulding in the middle and just fucking
three necks and you know, very pasty. These guys do
not spend a lot of time outside.
Speaker 4: It looks like nope.
Speaker 3: And the thing it's like Trump doesn't even hide it
He's like, he's nominating people that literally have spent their
entire career like trying to destroy the agency.
Speaker 1: They're going to be the head up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everything, Yeah, everything's just openly corrupt and incompetent
and fucked right now. Yeah that's brutal man.
Speaker 1: And now they got the distraction, right, I know, now.
Speaker 2: They're starting World War three. So it's yeah, it's uh,
you know, it's as you get what you pay for.
I guess you know, you dumbed down the populace enough
to vote for this ship, and that's what you end
up with. But but the Mica thing is nuts, I mean,
and that pissed off a bunch of I mean yeah,
like I was saying, that pissed off a bunch of
you know, hunters and outdoorsmen too. I like that across
the political divide, you know, like the same thing with
like the ATV people like I used to hate that ship.
You're you're somewhere in California and you hear there, you
know that it sounds like a lawnmower engine. I'd be like,
fuck those motherfuckers. But then now I'm like, well, let's
try and indoctrinate them into you know, attention to cool
ship and get them on our side and you know
that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Well, like with Kyte Creek, I don't think we would
have won without the off roaders, like the cal four wheel.
The lady that's ahead of there, Oh my goodness, she's
like one of those ladies you do not want to
fuck with. When she showed up there, she was talking
for like thirty minutes, just talking about violations. I was like, so, what.
Speaker 2: Happened with that? Where is that right now? Where's Coyote
Creek at right now? We didn't get to that.
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty much the SMUD left back out of
the deal after getting seed from the pressure, and they
were able to use the excuse because Kydie Creek as
the solar project. It's a New York based company from
Wall Street, so they're kind of pieces of shit, not
kind of fool the piece of shit. So they kept
asking for extensions and SMUD was able to use that
to back out.
Speaker 1: But now the company's trying to talk to PG and
E or Marine County Power, so that's like the big
thing everyone to find customers. Yep. So like we've won
in the in sense that SMUT has backed out, but
they still have the permit, so they find a they're
gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Damn, I wish, wish it's just eminent domain. How many
acres is it?
Speaker 1: Twenty seven hundred?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not that's not even that much
when it comes down to it, like they should just
eminent domain as ass Seriously, I mean seriously, I don't
give a fuck, you know, like is it it's it's
just to come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Whatever the dude is. You know, he doesn't respect the land.
That's a community asset. It's not a pioneer family. Get
the fuck out of here. The ship one hundred and
sixty years MAXI, we're here.
Speaker 1: It's not shit. I ever got to tell you. So
the landowner when he went up there, I'll never forget
this ship because I laughed out loud and got in
trouble for doing it. But I think it's the head
of the commissioner as a dick. But the landowner went
up there and he's like, we are the original land managers.
Speaker 3: And these people don't realize all these oaks are dying.
They're dying because they don't get enough fog.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, sudden oak Mediterranean oak borer. Like,
these guys are talking out of their ass. Dude, they
don't even know what that.
Speaker 2: They don't know shit, man, some dude that doesn't even
value his land, you know. And then you know, no
offense to the Rednecks, but you hear I've heard so
many goofy things from like this, the redneck land, the
Redneck school of land management, right, I mean, it just depends.
It's sometimes people know what they're talking about. Of other
times they're completely illiterate, you know, whether they're calling native
species invasive or they're just oh, yeah, there's trade, well
not really clearing them would expose a lot more land
to sun and invasive species.
Speaker 3: So and then you get the other side where like
humans are invasive and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stuff too, right, Yeah, people don't know what invasively.
They just think it means like they don't know what
it means in the field of ecology. They just think
it means aggressive. You know, like you're talking about like
an invasive tumor. It's like not, it doesn't mean that
there's actually like a specific term for it. Why don't
you go read about it? You have a fucking internet and.
Speaker 1: Your species brought it.
Speaker 3: It's all the funny, dude, those are the same people, like,
I don't know since you're not like maybe not just
in tune to like the California politics stuff. There's like
a big battle in stokel I think Ventura where basically
there there's a eucalyptus.
Speaker 1: Growth where modern butterflies over winter on and.
Speaker 3: They're trying to slowly remove the eucalyptus and replace it
with native species.
Speaker 1: And bro the locals are.
Speaker 2: That was going on the Oakland Hills too.
Speaker 1: Yup.
Speaker 2: The hippies would get really upset and then you try
to explain to them, well, no, these aren't. The eucalyptus
are cool where they're native. Here they're a real problem though,
And this this is what it could be. Instead, it
would be you know, California Bay Laurel and Madrone in
Livo instead and a lot more rich biologically that area.
Speaker 3: My friend Michael, he works with like, I mean, what's
that fire watch duty? I believe it's called, you know,
like the app for fires And he did a video
where this guy's he called the Lookout on YouTube.
Speaker 1: They drove around like.
Speaker 3: The Oakland Hills is talking about like fire danger, and
like you could.
Speaker 1: Just see the anxiety on his face because he's just like, Bro,
when this area catches on fire, these people are flogged. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the winds too. That's the main thing, is
the fire. What causes the fire danger is not just
the iridity, but it's the winds. And anybody who lives
in California knows that. But people that live and say
like Tennessee or Florida, like they don't they don't grasp
those when those Santa Ana winds especially pick up man
and they're blowing horizontally and then if something catches fire,
that fire blows horizontally instead of going up, and that's
how it spread so quick yep.
Speaker 1: And then you got all these houses built on top
of chaparral or like right in front of it.
Speaker 3: And then it's just like we'll blame everyone other than
their fucking developer. It's so annoying.
Speaker 2: So where is the where was the blue gum eucalyptus
clearing supposed to be?
Speaker 3: You said, Ventura, Yeah, Ventura County. It's it's like it's
just a small growth. I believe monarchs use it. Are
they saying monarchs or could you it's one of those
two because when I first heard about it, I still
can't believe it. One of them hit me up on Instagram,
They're like, hey, can you help us with this? And
I was just like no, hell no.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you explain to them like no, actually I don't
like you don't you don't want there?
Speaker 1: What about? Yeah? There?
Speaker 2: Instead? They were they were or what.
Speaker 1: Kind of They were still kind of like no, we
think you're wrong. But then they kind of opened up
a little bit when I.
Speaker 3: Started talking to them more about Okay, so you think
the trees are super important, so what if instead of
clear cutting them, we remove some then plant native and
continue the process.
Speaker 1: And that's where I kind of opened their minds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not just like a clear cut, you know,
it's uh yeah, even though that would be one way
to do it, it should you know, get them to
relax a little bit. I think with a lot of people,
that's all it takes. Is like they they might be
good intentions, like the crazy cat people, in the same
way they love animals well intention but they just don't
have a basic ecological education. That's not their fault. It's
our societies, right or not. Even just don't even call
it ecological education, because that sounds too highbrowd for some people.
Just call it knowing what the life around you is
that evolved there, you know, not this bullshit that just
ended up there as a mishmash after the dust settled,
after Europeans came in and fucked everything up, Just you know,
what was actually evolved there and selected for evolutionarily speaking,
by the circumstances that define that place, like in the
case of California, whether it's serpentine geology or you know,
long dry summers or whatever, you know exactly, or the
presence of certain native you know, insects that act as
antagonists as pests on a plant species. But once you
explain that to them, That's why I think it's so
fucking important to educate people. Man, it really is, you know.
And it's just getting people who may not be into
this shit, who maybe you know, are really they're more
into like playing call of duty in the basement, starting
to get them, like pull them out of that a
little bit without shitting on them, even though it's fucking
thus or whatever, without shitting even pull them out of
it a little bit and be like, look, man, look
at this. Come sniff on this. This is actually pretty cool.
The living world. You know, there's a there's a context here,
right and and other shit. There's even spirituality there. Man,
there's so much spirituality. I get so much out of
you know, knowing what the life is around me, much
more than I ever got when I was forced to
go to fucking Catholic school or whatever the ship. You know,
we used to go to Catholic school. We'd go, you know,
we'd schedule a bunch of kids, they'll go to the
bathroom at the same time that we'd you know, throw
turn the lights off and just start throwing toilet paper
wadded up toilet paper at each other. Like what watts
fucking this so fun? It was so fun.
Speaker 1: Catholic school memories. Man, CCD.
Speaker 2: You didn't You didn't get You didn't go to Catholic school,
did you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, No, I was broke. I went to like the
it was called Linebock. It's over on Mack Road in
South Zukermina.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: No, I mean we we we would do c CD
one one week and night. We were like public school.
But then there was like you know, forest and doctrination,
like every Monday night we'd have CCD. It was like
Catholic education.
Speaker 4: It was fucking oh No.
Speaker 1: We didn't have that. We had like like the Dare
stuff every week where they talk about drugs.
Speaker 2: And were you raised religious at all?
Speaker 1: My grandma is religious, but my mom is not. She
is more like spiritual, like nature. Yeah. I was lucky.
Speaker 2: My mom tried the Catholic thing and then gave up
when I turned like ten or eleven. I think she
just kind of veered away from it.
Speaker 3: So my mom was more like, Okay, Graham to her mom, Yeah,
I know you're religious, will baptize them and then it's
pretty much done after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, replace all the religious indoctrination with nature education,
you know for the kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nothing feels more spiritual than like the redwoods
taking to the tall stream in the world or yeah,
like damn, this feels spiritual. Shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And when you take people out of that and they
have no context for it, and all they know is
like the strip mall and the fucking highway and then
the could detects they live in like that, that fucks
people up. Man. Then they don't they're not aware of it,
but it fucks them up. That's all you know is
the human world. It's bleak.
Speaker 1: That's what fucked with me. From like socaw I like
when we would drive on the froway to go to
like uh To ante Brago or Joshua Tree. It drives
through this area.
Speaker 3: I believe it was in San Diego County where they
had like the most beautiful nowas you would ever see,
and then right in front of it there's a fucking
home depot in a Walmart.
Speaker 1: It would fuck with me every time. Dude.
Speaker 2: The United States, the United States commercial landscape, like the
consumer landscape here, I think is one of the bleakest
human landscapes it's ever been created anywhere. It's just I mean,
especially just the fucking parking lot too, Like these parking
lots with dying horticultural atrocity landscaping, you know, non native bullshit.
Speaker 1: You get a lot of crape.
Speaker 2: Myrtles out there, Jesse, Oh my god, dude, really spot
with dry summers, with mediterrane in climate, with dry fucking summers,
they're planting crate myrtles everywhere. Everything put in an irrigation system.
Speaker 1: And what I hate about them is if you chop
them down.
Speaker 3: They do this weird ship and they start like bushing
out on the bottom.
Speaker 2: It's so oh yeah, they just very spray. Yeah they'll
eventually they'll die. If you go back every week and
can kill those like you eventually exhaust the food reserves
of the trunk. But that's why you need the teen vandals.
Is somebody calling the teen vand get in the teen vandals.
You need vandals. You're right, because vandalism is fun when
you're a kid. You can get away with it. But
you just got a direct directed at the correct targets, right,
crate myrtles and public landscaping exactly.
Speaker 1: And don't be so scared of spray. That's the other
lesson I learned from messing with them. It's like, yeah,
you could be scared and hate spray, but yeah, anyway,
I only use glyc estate sometimes, but also use like
that paint. I'm not sure if it's life to say,
but it's like a stump killer cho It paints at
top of the stunt. Yeah, and that shit saves my
life and it doesn't kill anything because when I come back,
there's all the ship grown.
Speaker 2: It gets absorbed, It gets absorbed by the flowing by
the vascular ring and then yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
the thing the pushback about herbicide, it's like it's one
of those things too, where it's like it's well intentioned,
it's about spraying herbicide lazily and wantonly on things that
could be removed easily, or especially spraying it on crops.
That's absolutely fucked right. Using it for invasive removal. It's like, man, okay,
well let's look at what happens when we don't do it.
You know, this ship takes over and it's brutal.
Speaker 3: All the people who are like so against it for
restoration should all be forced to like get helicopter dropped
into like a forest of privet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scotch, how bad is the what's the worst? What's
the worst invasives you see when you're when you're gallivanting
around California.
Speaker 1: Look, that's gonna be such a hard one to pick
because I want to say, I mean Malay and BlackBerry,
but there's so many others too. Yeah, that's a boat
in fair Oaks, So my area of fair Oaks along
the river, fucking privets everywhere, Prisa, Well, they take over
the ripa the river. Yeah, it's really bad.
Speaker 2: God, it's and it's it's so infuriating too to think that,
like the reason that's here is because some knob who
didn't know any better just put it in his landscaping
and you know, thinking it would be, oh, it's an
attractive bush. It's I just need it. I just need
a landscaper to come by. I need some bushes, and
that's just what you get. You just got a home
home desk, but you just got to the big box
store and that's what we have. There's no thought behind it,
there's no like, man, you're actually you're you're planting something
that's going to fuck up the entire right parian area
behind your house and and lead to the declines of
all the cool native plants that native insects and vertebrates need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I'll never understand it because, like I just like, honestly speaking,
they're ugly as fuck, So like I for any of it.
Speaker 2: It's like basic bitch landscaping. That's what I call it.
You know, It's like it's like the ship you see
planted in front of the fucking Wells Fargo. Really you
couldn't do, you know, it's planted by landscapers that don't
actually spend time in nature, they don't spend time in
the living world.
Speaker 1: They just you know, I went.
Speaker 2: To landscaping school. I'm a master gardener.
Speaker 1: Fucking man. That was like this one of my fans.
Speaker 3: I have a gorilla garden where I plant a lot
of native plants by the freeway entrance on fifty and
they were trying.
Speaker 1: To help out. I guess they planted a bunch of
lavender plants and I got kissed. That's not I mean,
it is. It's lame.
Speaker 2: It's like Hallmark, you know, greeting card diarrhea, but lavender
at least it's lavender is not invasive out there, is it.
It's just no, Yeah, it's just kind of.
Speaker 1: Like like I prefer my poppies. I had like poppies
birds eye, Gillia, blue head, yeah, popping off.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing where like, you know, this is
another thing. Before I like got I would have been
a dick about it. And I'm still kind of an asshole,
but not as much as I used to be. But
now I would be like, hey, man, you know what
you get into We have some native members of that
same family that lavender's and it's actually got a place here,
and Lavender, I know you mean, well, but this may
not this is not the best thing. And by the way,
I'm gonna rip it out anyway, but you know, but
you know how about this and then take the time
to show because a lot of people just don't know,
you know, where everybody's indoctrinated into the same bullshit in
this society, you know, worshiping money, wanting stupid shit, trying
to impress people with what you own, and that kind
of lame shit. No one, you know, so few people
are raised with any context for the living world.
Speaker 1: Around them, So it's so weird.
Speaker 2: I got more sympathy for it now than I used
to get, you know, vitriol.
Speaker 3: But I used to snap easier, but now I'm a
lot more calmer with that doing. I'm sure it's the
same with you doing like social media stuff. Like for me,
I used to get so annoyed with the comments and stuff,
and then like one day after like I did it
for like a year, I just I woke up and
I was like, I don't give a fuck anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've responded, Really, I see some of your responses
to comments, and they're they're so chill, like so much
more than I would be. And it's a commend you
for that because I think that's that's how you slowly
like turn people, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like I feel like I have a
responsibility because from talking shit about like Gavin Newsom, PG
you all these things, I've gotten like a good amount
of Republican followers that will like hit me up and
be like yeah, I don't agree, Like they'll say funny
shit like I don't like that you hate on Trump,
but I trust you because you hate Gavin Newsom and
it makes me laughed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, hey man, whatever, whatever you
need me to tell you to get you to start
paying attention to plants around you. You know, so tribal
s hyeah, it is tribal. It's fucking way. But that's
what humans do. You know, we're crazy Chimps were always tribal.
We find a way to be tribal about anything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Once the group site gets too big, the group splits
and then how they start fighting with each other. But
I just none of this ship should be political anyway,
you know. I think, like, like the climate change never
should have been pro political. It's just an issue. It's
a problem we have to try and face and fix
and yah.
Speaker 1: But the you know those looking back people.
Speaker 2: People just put propaganda, you know, the people who have
an interest in doing some make it political so that
it becomes something that Yeah, that's just easy to sway
public opinion about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could have done the climate change things so
much better, like looking back on it, like how the
whole thing would starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it shit happens.
Speaker 3: I guess we shouldn't have put all our baskets in
al Gore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just I mean, well the oil companies though,
are so they were so good that just they still Yeah,
it pumping the propaganda out there in the doubt, but
it's you know, so I don't want late now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I still wonder if there's ever you know, like there's
emails from like the seventies, I believe, I like big
oil knitting they do about climate change. I always wonder
if there's going to be like a big tobacco moment,
you know, like big Tobacco to go to Congress and
they got hell of trouble and ship Like I'm like,
where's that we already know they lie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you mean for yeah, for the oil companies. Yeah,
maybe at some point, not anytime soon, not with the administration,
but but yeah, man, have you seen him? You were
you saw the fermonodendron right the the Pine Hill one. Yep, yeah,
I remember going there and that got the guy that
lives down there was always a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I'm with the same guy. He's he's
a doctor.
Speaker 2: He's like some he's got to be old as fuck now.
But he was always and he was always upset like
that people were going to He didn't own the land.
He just was next to him. He was always upset
that people were going to go look at that plant.
And it was just like the definition of a busy body.
He's like, why do you care? Man, It doesn't affect you.
There's people, there's kids that want to learn about this
really cool thing. Why don't you like help, you know,
invite them in. You get to know him, not invite
him into your house, but like, you know, talk to
him and then go up there look at the plants
with them, and then you can feel out whether there's
someone to worry about out or not. And you know,
if they're there to look at plants, they're probably not
someone to worry about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, seriously that habitat.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you go over there because that's like one
of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Fine Hill, I love that spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy would always he and I would always
get into it and I tell them to go fuck himself,
and he'd tell me he's gonna call the sheriff and
be like, go ahead and do it. I don't give
a fuck, you know, we just fight. But that was
It's such an epic spot though. There's so much cool
ship up there. Did you go all the way to
the top or were you on the sides or what?
Speaker 3: I went to the top one time and there's I'll
send you the exact location because it's kind of hard
to described. But I found another one where it was
at there's a area by Cameron Park that you pull
over on the side of the road and you climb
up this hill and then you get to another access
point to it.
Speaker 1: And we also found a bunch of hybrids of it
was Calcortas alvis uh hybridized with the yellow Star tulips,
and I was like, what's wild. Yeah, that whole habitat
is a fucking mind fuck.
Speaker 2: It's so cool when you so, do you do you
get because you've got a lot of people that you
know when you were do you get I mean have
you do you think you've turned a lot of people
onto this stuff and paying attention.
Speaker 3: To the yeah, oh yeah, so many. And the other
cool thing about it is I get like a lot
of like younger people, Like I'll get like messages from
like people look like they're like it's seventh grade, eighth grade.
Speaker 1: They'll send me a video they're like, dude, look at
the native plants. I found this ship's gangster.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's cool, man. I think for kids, like
for younger people. When I say kids, I mean like
a twenty year old's a kid to me. But especially
for younger people, I think it's easy because you know,
this has been such a like botany and ecology have
been they've either been academia or it's been old people.
No offense to the old people. You know, that formed
a major the major demographic that was into this, and
and now it's there's more younger people getting into it.
And I don't see this so much in other countries
to the extent that I see in the United States,
but I think especially for younger people, like the world
is so fucked, like it's so undeniably fucking you know it,
And this is such a that's an antidote, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's a good way to help like climate doom too.
Like if when you talk to people.
Speaker 3: There like I feel so hopeless, I don't know what
to do. I'm like, well, if you killed your lawn
or just planning some flowers there, it will.
Speaker 1: Make you feel a lot better and you all should
be helping things. Yeah, and people want to.
Speaker 2: Help any of the native shrubs. Just I mean, you're
doing something by learning about it. If you know someone's
like I don't know what to do, it's just go
go go out into nature and ask questions and ask, well,
you know, what is this? What am I looking at?
Why does it grow here? Why does the flower look
like this? What pollinates it?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: You start piecing together these different relationships that compose the
ecosystem around you, that evolved there over millions of years.
It's really fascinating stuff. It fills the philosophical void within yourself,
and it's that's a way to you know, show respect
back to the land, you care about it, and then
you can get other people hype on it. I mean
that right, there is something to do.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: I agree, yeah, the hopeless.
Speaker 2: Because people will write me and they're like, I feel
so hopeless, and I'm like, man, you got to have
some perspective, like humanity is always humanity. He's always been
a fucking mess, right, So the history is littered with
mass graves and terrible things that happen. The granted, the
scale is much bigger now now there's eight billion of us,
but you know, things have always been dark. I mean,
this isn't as bad as the you know that dark
Day at sixty six million years ago where a comet
knocked out all of life, you know, for stuff doubt terrestrial,
you know, seventy percent of terrestrial life for a few
million years.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's just that, you know, I have
some context. I always tell them, learn the geologic timescale, right,
like the different events that happened on it. But it'll
come and go and we'll be gone at some point,
or maybe we won't. Maybe we'll learn and get better,
but who knows, man, I don't know. I mean, it's
it's it's the process of living and being here and
observing all this shit is fun. It doesn't doesn't need
to be this this hopeless feeling, you know, I don't
know it's I mean again, I don't know. I don't
know people's what their mind state is or or what
their thought train is. But uh, it doesn't need to
be as bleak as it sounds, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for like people like us too, like
where that were like hell into like addiction at a
point of time, it's really hard to feel like super
team because I always, at least for me, I'll like
think about like rock Bottom how I was, and I'm like, damn,
sh it really doesn't prove.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. Yeah, like you try,
you can help you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. It could be a lot worse,
a lot worse. You could be totally lying to yourself
and denying to take responsibility for your own actions and
addicted to some you know, lame substance and whatever.
Speaker 3: So yeah, spending your whole day looking for something so
you don't feel sick all day like shit like that,
Like I'm so over that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, So what do you what are your
plans for the next few months.
Speaker 1: Flowers. I want to go just look for a hell
of flowers. And I want to go to head Hatchy
and so I.
Speaker 3: Love that area being a serpentine there's actually like a
random serpentine outcrop on between, like right before you get
to hetch Hetchy, and it's insane. There's so many Clarkias
and serpentine sunflower.
Speaker 1: It's just insane. You know what's cool?
Speaker 2: Have you been to Ione before?
Speaker 1: I like over by Branchia Marietta. Uh, I've not.
Speaker 2: I think it's I forget what county it is, but
there's a cool Arctostaphalos that grows there. And it's another
weird soil type. There's these Uh it's ladderite soil, which
is like very iron rich. It's a fucking bizarre substrate.
There's Arctostaphlos myrdifolia there. I think that's the name of it.
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 2: It's been years. Man again my California butt and he's
a little a little rusty. But uh, but it's not
just another one of these areas. It's geologically very interesting.
And it's Sierra Nevada foothills a little ways east of
Sacramento and maybe a little bit south and there's a
bunch of rare plants there.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I've never been over there, but I think I know
exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's ghost pines everywhere, and it's you know,
the soil looks fucking rough man. It's crazy. When I
used to when I worked for the railroad and I
would get sent to Roseville, you know, for a few
days if my days off I did. It's like one
of the places I would go to is I own.
Speaker 1: I have to check that out because I've never looked
around over there, but I try past that area a lot.
I spent a lot of time.
Speaker 3: Like the road do you use over there is the
same road you used to go to, like Calveras County
and stuff, just a different direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me find it. My iis fucking up,
but U But there was a you know, it's one
of those spots, like anything you go look at for
some rare species and then there's a whole bunch of
other cool stuff there as well.
Speaker 1: Can you find some rare milkweed in the serpentine as well? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That was a Sclepias solana Juana, that's the Serpentine Valley.
That thing's fucking nuts man. That's a really bizarre The
spot I saw it at was in Napa County, but
it goes all the way up into Trinity. It's mostly
the Northern Coast Ranges. But it's like a prostrate milk weed.
It stays pretty close to the ground. It's got fuzzy
blue leaves, Like the leaves are like this beautiful aquamarine blue,
and then the flowers just look fucking insane. And I'm
surprised nobody's growing that. I don't think anybody is growing
that a scleepy as Solana wanna, Yeah.
Speaker 1: We don't need serpentine to grow home or can you
grow it?
Speaker 2: Just like can kind of a lot of that serpentine
stuff doesn't need serpentine. It just it's evolved tolerance to serpentine.
I think it is the way it works with a
lot of endemic you know, uh edaphic endemics, like plants
that are specialized on certain geologies, like whether it's sand
or gypsum or whatever, like, they can just tolerate it
and other plants can't, and so they're able to grow there.
But then what they end up not being able to
tolerate is competition, like getting shaded or crowded out from
other plants, and so yeah.
Speaker 3: And they don't have to worry about that on the
serpentine at least, So it's chilling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could just take because you know, you're
growing on serpentine, you're not going to get very big.
That's why serpentine plants, even the ones that can tolerate it,
always look kind of fucked up in scraggly and dwarfed,
you know. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not I thought I
had I thought I had photos from maybe I never
made Oh you know what, I wasn't using I neat
back then when I saw you weps. No, So I
didn't put a record up.
Speaker 1: Bummer you should, man, because I think it's probably rare,
isn't it rare? Shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super rare. And they were getting fucked up
by some introduced pathogen. I think it was a Pytoptera species,
another Fytoptera, you know, and algae that became parasitic. Let
me see if I pipe in, I oon. Yeah, it
was such a cool spot. There used to be this
website called biohere dot org that yeah, there it is okay.
February sixth, twenty eighteen. It was really the last time
I was there. It was called biohere dot org, and
it was a list of all these incredible spots in
northern California. There was one right off I think it
was near Vacaville, right, because you think of thatall you
think of like car dealerships and billboards and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, but there was this old.
Speaker 2: Travertine spring on the north side of A eight in Vacaville,
And you said, biohere, yeah dot Oregon. I think it's
long gone, but it had a list of all these
spots and interesting things about them. I wonder if it's
on if it's on archive dot PhH, that would be
fucking sor. Yeah, there was this travertine spring man and
it was you could you were totally trespassing going there.
But there was like this pit in the ground and
there was an old, like nineteen fifties Chevy pickup truck
with a fucking uh live oak growing up through the
center of it and like popping out of the windshield
and the whole thing was rusted. It was the coolest
fucking area. It's probably gone now. Someone probably bought it
and turned into something whack. But yeah, but damn it
was so fucking Let me see if I can find it. Yeah,
it went offline one day biohere dot org and it
had and I had descriptions of all the species that
could be found there, plant and animal, and yeah, it
was a really cool resource. Man, let me see where
the fuck this is. I can't find it, but yeah,
that area has got some cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That whole area I used to get called there for
railroad japs, like between Sacramento and uh Ballejo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that area. I actually go like, have you been
to Rockville Hills Park over there?
Speaker 2: No, where's that it?
Speaker 3: It's I think it's considered Fairfield. It's basically like Vacaville
in between both of them. It's like this random ass
like city park that has biodiversity for fucking days. Dude,
has like old lava caps and crazy geology and so
you get like vernal pools, fritillaria, Calicoria's blue dicks.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, god man, there was. Have you have you spent
any time in reading There's some really cool That's.
Speaker 1: The one area I haven't I want to though so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should go up to Redding and in the
Dun's mirror weed area and all that, there's there's cool
go go check out like Baker Cyprus, a timbered crater
that's a fucking you could take a civic out there.
I took a civic out there fifteen years.
Speaker 1: All day.
Speaker 2: It's all lava and there's there's lava caves everywhere, and
you can see areas where, like the Lot, you could
tell the ground you're standing on was like molten at
one point and then just cracked and like cooled in
this like bans you know, and kind of caved in.
But it still looks like you're standing on caved in putty.
Speaker 4: It's fucking weird, insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bio here is long gone, but there's my photos
from Ion.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: God, it's such a dope habitat. Yeah. Yeah, this man's
the need. It gets like two feet tall and grows
on this fucked up soil, like really iron rich, bizarre soil.
Speaker 1: But that's insane. I would have never thought of Ion
having like such epic plant communities, So I'm definitely gonna
have to check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well this, you know, California's got so much
public land, thank god, cause you find Yeah, I remember
my dogs we got locked There was this spot we
used to go to access it and I got locked
in there one day because I think it was a
mine nearby or something or some sort of quarry. And
so that after that, that's when I learned to keep
bolt cutters in my truck. You know, Yes, that's I
learn you got locked in some places before?
Speaker 1: What Yeah, I won't say an exact trail, but it's
over by Fulesome, like there's a there's some chopper all
over there. I got locked in before.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 4: It's such a dick.
Speaker 2: I want to to lock those doors. Like if someone's
trying to be a dick too, because they got to
know your cars, they're just being well, fuck you, but
they got an angle grinder in the truck, so you're fucked.
Speaker 1: It's just funny because like you can't get a ticket
because I'm not doing anything like truly illegal, but they
still lock you in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're just trying to be a dick.
You know, call to get your way out. Yeah, man,
are you gonna go to the desert. There's a bunch
of there's a bunch of stuff going off in uh
my hobby right now.
Speaker 3: I know I should have went to Death Valley. That
was the one spot I didn't check out. It looks
like it's going off right now. You gotta go see funeral.
Speaker 2: Funeral Mountain stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to see, didn't Sheriff Wood. He was
just looking at the Which one was the Death Valley?
Is that the one you're talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So a few nar Yeah, but it grows down into
the the uh like Bristol Mountains too, and like the
where else what's the other could couldiz area and ship
there's you know, there's like random patches of limestone where
there's disjunct populations. But it's such a that's such a
cool plant man, And he was he I think he
discovered some new species of buck of true but yeah, yeah,
something that like evolved perfect crypsis because that's a wooly
like a white wooly ass sage. You know, it's a
really that's one of the cool so.
Speaker 1: Many hairs and tri combes and so yeah, it's so
cool looking.
Speaker 2: And this bug just blends in perfectly and then parasitizes
the thing too, like it feeds on on this selvia.
So and he couldn't find any. He finds crazy stuff
all the time. He just he just he just described
the new plant speech. He's a new Xylo riza that
he found in the panaments. I think it's Xylo Risa
PanAm intensis.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got Bruce Baldwin to help him describe it,
and it's fucking nuts, new spec But he just goes.
He goes everywhere that people don't. I mean, he's you know,
he's spent the last fifteen years of his life doing
these long distance hikes in the middle of nowhere. He
just did the Bibbum Yep track in Western Australia. And
so he'll go in Death Valley and he'll I mean
he'll literally look at an eye naturalist map of observations
of where stuff's been recorded and see, oh, while no
one's no one's been there, there's a blank area, there's
there's no high naturalist observations from that area. I'm gonna
go there and he'll just go hike over and see
what's there. He's found so much wild ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's two other monkey flower species he found
that weren't described yet, that were new to science. Yeah,
really nice humble guy too. Really have you re met
him before?
Speaker 1: No? No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really sometimes yeah, No, he's yeah, he's cool,
he's a Yeah. We went to Chile together, and where
the fuck else? Have we been to? A few places?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tasmania?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I want to Tasmania is so bad.
Speaker 2: He's fun to travel with. Yeah, Tasmania is nuts. It's
i mean, just a tree, just old old plant lineages
in temperate rainforest, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it look it feels like a humble two point zero,
like the trees with all the fog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and some of those some of the plants there,
I mean there's there's fossil pollen of them on you know,
Antarctica from when Tasmanian Antarctica and you know a few
other condents were all connected. It's it's just crazy to
think about. Yeah, you really feel like you're at the
end the edge of the world down there, you know,
like remnants of Gondwana.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love it. I've never been. I need
to start traveling. You're lucky that you go like outside
of America and look at shit, that's where I wanted
to so bad.
Speaker 2: I had this fucking hunger for it, Like you know,
I've had a hunger for that forever. Like that's what.
I just want to see everything. I want to see
what's out there and learn, you know, Like I don't
care about traveling to see culture and cities and all
that shit. I don't care. I'll go to some museums
and stuff whatever, but like, you know, I want to
see the plants. That's fuck the people. I want to
see the plants the most, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because so many people do the opposite,
and I'll never understand that mindset and the way I
look at it.
Speaker 2: The plants have been there a lot longer, and that's
what's really interesting to me. There's just so much more
context for like the wild plants, you know how they've
they've literally been built and shaped by the landscape that
grow in be a natural selection.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I always get people asking me like, well,
don't you want to grow them all that?
Speaker 1: Don't you want to grow all the deadly is don't
you want to do this? I'm like, not, bitch, I
want to go see him in the wild. Yeah, that's
what I want to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like yeah, man, I'm not going to
try to grow something that's like I'll post I'll post
stuff like cool native plants that grow in South Texas
and someone hits me up from southern California. They're like,
would that grow out here? And I'm like, I don't know, maybe,
probably not. It's not hot enough out there and it's
a little more humid here. But you've got your own
cast of cool natives that are related to this thing
that are out there. You know, you should get into those,
you know. And then they're kind of like, oh, yeah,
I never thought about that, you know. And then maybe
I'll hear from them like a year or two later
and they're like, man, I got into all this, you know,
it's so cool, like all this shit that I I
am learning about now. So yeah, but that's what, you know,
I blame that's what. That's what like modern horticulture teaches us, right,
like just grow plants whatever's interesting to you, and like, yeah, okay, cool,
But like also what about like having understanding for your
own ecosystem, right and wanting to know what grows there?
And like why try to get a square peg to
fit in around hole? Why try to get a plant
from South Texas to grow in uh, Southern California. If
it's like if it's like a cool cactus species here
in do I get it? But like, you know, I
don't know, man, It's just there's they're trying to get
people to appreciate where they are, but that can be
hard when all the habitat has been cleared and there's
just strip malls and bullshit around. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the worst. I'll never understand it.
Speaker 3: Like like people that get into horticulture to be like, yo,
I just want to make a different color.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like show garden shit. You know, it's like
the showgarden stuff. I was fucking I had a you know,
you see you go to Botanic Gardens and you see that,
you know, you see Berkeley is fucking amazing because it's
the complete opposite. Like you go everything separated by different
gat you know where it's from geographically. Yeah, But then
you go to like, god, I went to some like
Botanic Gardens and Lumbus, Ohio and all and I were
on tour and I was like, this is fucking brutal, man,
this is like Hallmark Garden. You know, yeah, like look
at the color. It's everything's planted in a line and
it's so pretty.
Speaker 1: Shit, it's so weird. Have you been to the one
in Mendicino, No, what's it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It's a Mendocino coast when they have some cool.
Speaker 3: Data plants, but since it's hard to grow stuff, they
have something as well, like weird shit like that. But
what's cool about them is like it's mainly it's people
go there for mushrooms. So like if you go there
during mushroom season, we'll find like fifty different kinds of
mushrooms at the botanical garden.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Oh yeah, just just loving all the leaf
litter and love.
Speaker 3: It's really cool. Like it's almost like a mycology garden.
Speaker 2: What do you doing the summer there in the valley
because it gets hot as balls, right and everything's dry.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I usually will just go to the mountains, Like there's
really like Kiper's area, like over the Sierras. There's some
really high elevation places over there that get to like
I think gets almost eight thousand feet And we'll go
over there in like August and it'll still be popping off.
Speaker 1: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like high elevations are just waking up July
and August.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice. But so besides hibiscus, that pretty
much once it gets to like July, I'm not really
looking for much stuff in the valley. It's just so
fucking hot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were amped. I forgot that you were
amped in that hibiscus species for a while. Yeah. I
love that.
Speaker 1: I love that thing.
Speaker 3: You're the only person I've ever talked to that looks
for that plant too.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It's such a fucking cool plant.
Speaker 2: Have you been growing that at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have like thirty at my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1: What do you what are you grow them in?
Speaker 2: Do you need to grow them in a like a
tub or something once you've got them poted up, or
what do you doing?
Speaker 3: They're in the ground. They're in the ground. So I
have I have them like in two different sections. One
is next to the big air conditioners, so like water trips,
and then the other one is in the shaded.
Speaker 1: Area by the house where I just water it every
other day and it does fine. But they actually don't
need to like in the wild obviously want more water.
But in the ground, I've never really had one die
from not enough water. Yeah, they don't bloom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried to grow on in Oakland
on Mendela Parkway, and it like it was not well,
you know, but then you see them where they grow,
It's like, oh, yeah, their feet are wet. They got
wet feet. But yeah, I wonder how that thing. I
wonder how that thing made it out there though, because
it's it's so disjunk like the rest of the populations
and you know, like a thousand miles east, Like how
did that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird.
Speaker 3: And it's all I'm already like like we've said before,
like in DMS, like it's already like disappearing because all
the agriculture and stuff, and somehow it's still fighting through.
Like we found like I believe thirty, no, thirty probably
actually like twenty.
Speaker 1: I'll have to look on in at populate random populations
with them and elk grow Jesus, I swear really like
we were just yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I was looking for them. My friend Cliff, I think
you know him close to the burder he was driving
on I believe it's eighty or it's five over by
alcro Any messaging is like, dude, all the Frauda's side
of the freeway, it's by.
Speaker 1: The wildlife area for like the birds.
Speaker 3: I just saw high biscuits. You need to drive over here,
and I wasn't able to get to it. So we
pulled to the side of the road where a creek
was and then I found some and then we saw
like a water treatment area and we looked over there
we found even more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is like the fucking flowers are like
the diameter of a football. Man, It's it's crazy, yes,
but they're getting choked. No, what's the invasives that are
choking them out?
Speaker 3: I forget it's the water, primrose, the handling and BlackBerry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the blackberries. You go to the delta,
A lot of the delta's fucked up. That must have
been a BlackBerry that must have been an incredible ecosystem
five hundred years ago. Holy fuck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the delta.
Speaker 1: And looking for him.
Speaker 3: You get fucked up by the blackberries when you're looking
for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hate those things, man. I mean the fruit's good whatever,
but there it's one of the most vicious plants. I
think it's it's I don't even I think that's a hybrid, right,
I don't even think that BlackBerry is native anywhere. I
think it was created by people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think uh, lucid per Bank, right, Luthiber Bank
made it.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I should look this up. I forget.
I just remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean they they're fucking brutal, man, They're like uh
like and they're all over the like track side areas too,
in northern California.
Speaker 4: That black lay dude.
Speaker 2: God, it's fucking brutal.
Speaker 4: It's horrible.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: My gram's property, she has a property that we live
on now. She died, so we're sold right now. It's
like fixing things and it's on almost an acre and
there's no bud now by any water, not by anything
that she didn't water. She had Alzheimer's, you know what
I mean, she had sprinklers and there's still blackberries everywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck are they surflying? Yeah, that's
that's the plant.
Speaker 2: That's that's like another plant where like you need her beside, right,
you cut it and then apply all side to this
stem and uh yeah, I didn't even know to cut it,
Like how would you need like fucking industrial hedgeres or
something and something with a metal blade like a a
weed whack one of like the more heavy duty weed whackers.
It's got like a cable instead of a because those
stems are care.
Speaker 1: Fucking woody, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got worth.
Speaker 1: Jean, I'm worth thick jeans because they fight back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was going out into northern California
when I was really getting into first getting into body,
and this was like two thousand and seven, maybe after
it because I got my first current two thousand and
six and it was a Honda prelude. Then I was like, fuck,
I can go anywhere. And when I was first going out,
I remember I was so terrified at ticks. I was
just terrified. Oh my god, no, no, you know, I
wouldn't go into bushes because I was worried i'd get
a tick. You know, it's just like fucking go in
there and just just check yourself after. But I was
too Yeah, it took me a few years to get
over it. But uh, our show was so funny, man,
I don't know, I forgot that used to be a thing.
I used to have, like this fear of ticks. You know,
first time ever got fit was on my nuts and
then I found like another one on my arm and
I would just be ah because I was all freaked out.
I'm gonna get lime disease, you know. But yeah, man,
I don't know. Now it's just like just pull them
off just.
Speaker 1: To get in my chests. Yeah, that's that's what I hate.
That's an armpit area ches. Yeah, that's where I always
find them. I think, like rub my chest and like,
oh shit.
Speaker 2: I think the ticks get really bad too because of
fire suppression. I know that's the case out east. I
mean that's why ticks are so bad on the East
Coast because fire has been surpressed, like your fire when
you get sixty inches of rainy year as opposed to
you know, a long dry summer. You know, like the
fire intervals out east need to be in a lot
of the wild lands out there need to be like
between two and five years, like Florida, Like a lot
of fire dependent habitat in Florida, like on a Lake
Wales ridge, and there were fire returning intervals like one
to three years, whereas out west it's like every twenty
to fifty years, depending on where it is. But I
mean you see out of the plants in California fire
that dude, like the man's the needst exactly won't germinate
with a fire, you know. And when you suppress all that, yeah,
then you get fuels build up and you get catastrophic fires.
But then you also get the fucking ticks rid.
Speaker 3: Yes, and right here also, you know how like we
had the drought for so long here we had no
like mega fires obviously, but we had the drought and
now we've had like four years in a row with
some good rain.
Speaker 1: The chinks are fucking everywhere. Dude, it's so bad this year.
Speaker 3: That's like I find him on my legs every time
I get down to like take a picture of a flower.
Speaker 1: There's so many.
Speaker 2: Does anybody control burns in California? Yeah, Northern California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend's scorch does it on properties. And uh
there's a guy named Zeke his channels called the Lookout
on YouTube. He does controlled burns and he works with
an organization called the Bute County Prescribed Burn Association. And
what they do is they get landowners to do it
and they teach them how to do and they do
like group burns.
Speaker 2: Burns or when I guess, if you're not burning in
the lake winter, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, winter and like anything after May is a no.
Speaker 1: Usually, that's how I usually see it. Yeah, before May good.
Speaker 3: After May they say no, and then May their CalFire
does it? The verna pools, May cal fire burns.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, I mean out there you have to
because otherwise the fuels build up and the only other
option is I mean it's insane to think you can
just go in there with a bunch of people cutting shit.
I mean that's I guess you could, but it's so
it's so intensive and it would require so much mandpower
and time. Yeah, it's fucking nuts man, just burning at
the right time of year, you know, like it was
exactly thousands.
Speaker 1: Of years and it's nothing's going to go. Like, there's mistakes,
but it's worth it. Like you remember the moon Have
you heard about the moon fire? Yeah? Where was it?
I can't remember what county it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was over by Chico, so it was
probably Butte County or Tama And it was started by SPI.
Speaker 1: The ser Pacific Industries fucked them.
Speaker 3: They were doing a cleanup burn, you know, like they
clear clotted everything and did a cleanup burn, and it
got it got out of control, and so the government
charged them. I don't want to give the wrong number.
I believe it's like one hundred million dollars. It's what
they had to pay. And the effects from that is
now a lot of these private lumber people and even
private like homeowners, they don't want to do because they're scared.
And so when you do a controlled burn in California
sometimes most of the time you have to have cal
fire there, but CalFire won't start the fire.
Speaker 1: You have to start the fire, and then they help
because they don't want any legal liability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun, well, because they can just get so
fucking it's so gnarly there because it's just so much fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a lot of people houses and ship.
Speaker 2: When you have this summer, when you got the summer
being the dry the hottest time of year being the
driest time of year, that's it's it's fucking brutal man.
I mean, it's just the risk is so high. And
I had friends and friends that lived in Weed that
were doing they and they bought the friend of mine
and bought like forty acres turn into like a nonprofit.
They were doing a lot of restoration and planting native
and stuff. It was really cool, but it was an
old It was an old pine plantation. So everything was
planted and all the pines were planted in uniform lines
and they kept growing, but they hadn't been limbed up,
so all the branches down below die as the pine
grows up, especially when the pines are planted close to
each other and the lower branches aren't getting light anymore,
the tree just abbs scizis them and says fuck it,
you know. And so it was just you get these
ladder fires. And it took them a few years of
going in there, limbing everything up and then having and
then setting it in a burn pile and then letting
it sit there till winter when it was safe to burn.
And then oh yeah, and there was there was. Percy
had tried in Tata and Arctostaphelos, the manzanita and the
antelope brush in the understory, and that it all died
once they got the private light. And those are like
four or five foot tall shrubs that are just cages
of these you know, poky branches that would then dry
as fucking just like total tinder box man.
Speaker 3: So Mantanita burns hot like I didn't really fully realize
until I saw it once when my friend was doing
the RX burn.
Speaker 1: The what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, and it's it's a yeah. It's like
a lot of species are they need fire, Like their
seeds won't germinate without it. They won't you know, they've
got those big ass burrows. Yeah, that will re sprout
after a fire.
Speaker 1: The fire stuff is tope. Man, it's so interesting.
Speaker 3: My friend Scorch what he does is he goes to
light in Nevada County and he convinces hoa communities that
like build like hellscapes where they shouldn't in like the
middle of the forest.
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 3: And he does RX burns around their prop like around
the entire community and he's he's ship, I'll.
Speaker 1: Send you his stuff. That man is to go. He's
so cool. Yes, he hates cow he hates cal fire though,
how come just because they deny him permits all the time,
And they tried to get him in trouble before for
doing a burn, so they like showed up and tried
to get him in trouble and then the DA dropped it.
So it's just like he's sick of the drama.
Speaker 3: Like one time, they denied him a fire permit because
they said it was too hot, and then they changed
their mind and they were driving over and it started raining,
and apparently instead of giving him a permit, they stopped
and started fighting people that were trying to do burns. So,
like the bad of count he's crazy. It's just a
crazy area of California.
Speaker 2: Oh is that where it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's valley area. Damn.
Speaker 2: I found a fucking I found the naturalized population of
cranberry's there, you know, because really yeah, because they're that's
an East Coast species. But uh, the ground there was
so acidified because it was all tailings from hydraulic mining
from the the forty nine ers. The ground was so
acidified that, yeah, I guess cranberries had naturalized in this
bog and it was like a low lying boggy area.
It was wild, man, there was a bunch of it
was a highly crazy, highly ascetic soil. Yeah, and then
vaccinian vaccini and macrocarpon growing there. It's just pleasant memories
of living out there. I miss it, man. I just
it's so fucking expensive, you know, I think, Yeah, I
know I can see what you get people like, you know,
living under bridges and over there.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my family's like a calm, a calm that sounds bad,
but like it's like my sister's my mom and they're fit,
like we all have to pay together.
Speaker 1: It's expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's nuts. It's a fucking you know,
I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, just like gas here is so expensive right now,
it's like almost six.
Speaker 2: Dollars since since since Trump started.
Speaker 1: It's heartburn. God, what is it?
Speaker 2: It's like seven bucks a gawn?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: It's six it's five point fifty five at some places,
and then once you get on like away from like
the inner city, then it's a towards six.
Speaker 1: It's so bad.
Speaker 2: Then you're well you're forced to drive everywhere by the
the infrastructure too, if you don't live in a city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's especially Sacramento. The public transit Sacramento is like hilarious.
It's so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I know they got those little those
like dinky little street cars, but uh I remember that,
but I mean it's like it's just shitty buses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just like stops right when you get
out of like downtown. They extended it to like towards
folsome area because that's like they wanted to go in
the richer areas. But like and considering like the size
of the socker probably covers like thirty percent of this
the metro area.
Speaker 4: Damn, that's fucking brutal.
Speaker 2: What so wait, but going back into when you started
doing this, So what did you How did you get
the name Sacramento food forest because that's like a.
Speaker 1: Permontrol people the way I know, control people control people.
You don't know?
Speaker 2: Were you, like, did you start off originally into like
permaculture stuff and then only got more into like ecology
or what I would a little bit.
Speaker 3: I guess for me more, it was like I was
just like grocery stuff. I always like the native plants,
and then I started growing like bananas and different fruits
with it.
Speaker 1: And then I started like watching videos on it.
Speaker 3: I started noticing this permaculture dude just talk out of
their fucking ass, and like it would just bother me
how they promotevasive species.
Speaker 1: Like I can go on for hours about this too.
There's so many things about the permaculture movement that dry.
Speaker 2: So the name Sack food Forest was a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to stroll them because I have a food forest,
but it's for the animals, for native ecology.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing, right, I should.
I should next time some permaculture guy, no offense to
them comes up through Oh have you heard of a
food for you? I got a food forest, but it's
for the native animals and insects that live you, not me.
I want to get some broccoli or some ship. I
go to the grocery store. I'm not going to learn
how to breathe like a heat tolerant, you know, pheno
type of broccoli buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, But I mean it's that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's just a whole other skill set. I think being
able to grow your own food is cool, but that's
not ecology. You know, there's ways to do it ecologically
where you grow mixed natives in there or whatever. It's
just not for me. It's not my interest. But I'm
not knocking people that do it. When I do knock them,
it's when they don't have any They're interested in just
growing human food, but they don't have any interesting awareness
of the impacts that might have. If you're say, planting
invasive bullshit, you know, and you're only planting the invasive
bullshit because uh, it's it's edible or blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: What about its repercussions? Right, like view yourself as part
of this living web and do it that. I say,
I don't know, but most crops tend not to be
too invasive, but.
Speaker 3: The way they justify invasive species is fucking crazy. Like
the whole did I send you a picture of the book?
I gotta find it that one of the like one
of these permic culture people who didn't realize, like I
don't give a five what they think, walked up to
me and gave me this book because you're trying to
get me to like start caring about using evasive species.
And it's literally called evasive species, like how it will
save the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fucking it. Stuff like that as fuck,
Like permaculture doesn't have to have those connotations. It's just
unfortunately it does. Like you, you know, you there's some
people that are really into like they get it. They're
into like the native they're into permaculture and they're but
they also understand native plant ecology. But then there's this
huge segment. I mean, anytime I read a book by
some fucking new age you know, person from Oregon. Uh,
it just happens to be, right. It's always they're always
like a permaculture that's denying invasive species. It's always it's
always someone associated with permaculture.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you're given perma culture a bad name, you know,
and they're.
Speaker 1: So snobby, they're so snobby about it. If you try
to talk to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna tell you how you're wrong and all
the data that, all the all the ship you've read,
all this wrong too, right, Yeah, it's well, they'll anthropomorphize
it and compare it to human xenophobia, which is like
ultimate shit for brain, like just lowest common denominator analogy.
It's just something a ten year old would say, you know,
like when.
Speaker 3: The humans are invasive, that's then they're the ones who always.
Speaker 1: Well, humans are invasive, aren't they humans? They're not.
Speaker 2: Humans are invasive.
Speaker 1: Humans create the invasive species by moving them, you fucking idiot.
Is so hard not to get mad when they say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just tired talking points. I just
you know, politely tell them that's not really what the
word means. It's a little bit more complicated than that.
It's got an actual definition, and you know it's not
the same as like the Miriam Webster definition. It's the
definition you know, in the field of ecology. So and
it has to do with right, Yeah, it has to
do with a plant evolving for millions of years in
a place as a member of a certain ecosystem with
its own checks and balances that don't exist. Those checks
and bounces don't exist when that species gets to a
new continent. So yeah, it's fucking but I think I
see more, I see more awareness around that and things
slowly starting to change. That's the best you could do. Yeah,
tell people kindly, unless there being a huge twat kind
of they tell me what's up, Like, no, man, it
doesn't work like that, Like it doesn't. I'm just gonna
tell you what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Jeff Lawton who's like one of
the top permaculture people that says.
Speaker 1: A lot of bullshit.
Speaker 3: Like one of my biggest dreams is to see like
someone like me or someone like you debate him like
an Ashal debate.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it would be so entertaining. I mean,
it would be so entertaining.
Speaker 2: There's someone not knowing's fine, but it's that's when I
with any argument right, no matter what it is. Someone
not knowing is fine because I'll say stupid shit sometimes
I don't know about but that'll also like, you know,
I don't know. I don't know about this, I don't
know enough right, or if I'm if I'm given data
that shows that I'm wrong, I'm like, oh, yeah, I
fucked up. Okay, I stank correctly. But when someone just
doesn't want to give it up, it's just the ego,
won't you know. That's when it's like, well, fuck you, man,
I'm just not going to waste time with you. You
want to believe that the sky is orange, and I'm
not gonna there's debating you anymore. Man, they tell you.
Speaker 1: They get upset. They feel like you're going after their grift,
so they get upset.
Speaker 2: I think the man a lot of it is important,
especially but like the when the whole New age, like
in the field of New age, uh, you know healers
or grifters or whatever. Yeah, it's a whole there's a
whole grifter selling there really is, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whether it's.
Speaker 2: Simple supplements or buy my book or or you know,
I'm doing classes on whatever the fuck I think there's
there is a whole grift. So it's.
Speaker 3: There's a hell of funny video on TikTok where someone's
talking about like like the Carnivore Diary, and it's all
that energy. It's like, I've shipped my pants three times
this day, but I feel great.
Speaker 2: Us Christ yeah, so fucking high high blood pressure cholesterol.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, it's crazy to me. I don't understand
how that thing.
Speaker 2: So where are you gonna go? So where are you
gonna go next? You're gonna basically you're gonna be in
the mountains this summer. And then what are your Like,
I guess what else are you? What else are you
interested in highlighting in the next few months?
Speaker 3: For this month, For the rest of this month, it's
gonna be mainly probably just like fritillarious occasional like early
bloom and Califortis. Then when it gets towards like April,
that's when I like to go to like ver Yes,
Napa County, to show like for me, I at first
I'd like to just show like the rare plants, but
then I realized sometimes it doesn't do it was good.
So now I like to show like everything, like all
the plants growing in a community, certain plants if they're
rare and cool, but mainly just like filming what I see,
like the different habitats. Yeah, I think I'm going to
spend it like a lot of time in Cash Creek
Wilderness area.
Speaker 1: I fucking love it over there. Is it?
Speaker 2: What county is it in?
Speaker 3: That's in It's technically Lake County, but it's also Napa.
Speaker 1: It's a it's like a weird are right in there.
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, that's yeah, there's uh, there's
should be the sleepy at Solanajana there should right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you use Nationalist do store stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing about heat is I have a
lot of like follower people that like look for I
could tell they're like trying to find for a plant.
So I move a lot of locations.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I obscure everything, obscure, obscure or just privatize it,
you know, because it's you you want it to be.
I mean, you want to keep the location for yourself too.
Other people don't need to see where it is, you.
Speaker 3: Know exactly there's like I won't say any names, but
there's like a certain group of people like when I
post their ship, they always like confirm it within like
an hour.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you boys are sleuthing right now.
Speaker 2: Man Herpers the Snake, the Snake and reptile people do
that ship. They're mad about it. It's nuts. They're always
trying to There's some guy that's just uh, he's like
a well night, like a million followers and shit, I
guess he just blew through Texas. And one of my friends,
a buddy of mine, close friend of I was like, yeah,
he just he you know, he had a picture of
this all this flipped over ten and ship and he's
like he named it Hurricane, you know, such and such
the dude's name. He's like, yeah, he just comes through town.
He films some some ship for his for the Gram,
for the content and fox up all the habitat, all
the stacks of tin that we've put out there, and
and that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: If it's just it's fucking it's just jerking off. It's
like if you're if you're putting stuff out there to
educate people and actually you know, hope people up with info.
That's cool if you're just doing it for likes, and
what the fuck is the point? Like I guess, I guess,
but you're not You're not contributing to the greater good.
You're not helping anything.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to even do it like that, Like,
if you're going to be in nature films and ship,
you shouldn't want to actually not make it worse than.
Speaker 2: A well yeah, and also there's there's just so much
cool ship out there that people don't know about that
you have the opportunity to show them, you know, and
then that makes the world you live in better because
now people know about this ship and have an interest
in it. And you know, Alan Rockefeller used to that
you got me thinking about it could always be like
because I would try to gate keep certain things when
I was younger, and he would be like, well, it's
good to have more people interested in nature because then
you have more people that want to, you know, stand
up for it when ship bag developers or you know,
the more wealth worshiping members of our species come for it.
And uh, I think it's good and it's just it
feels good for people obviously to have a connection to
the living world. It's a nice antidote to all the
bleak shit out there, you know, when you've got to
drive a concrete consumer healthscape filled with billboards and car dealerships,
you know, it's nice to be able to look at
some fucking trees afterwards and be like, yeah, Okay, I
forgot this whole other world is here.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like so many people if they didn't have
to like drive through that every day would be so
much happier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's horrible, man, it's terir. Hey did you ever
get into the cypresses, any of them, like McNabb Cypress
or Baker Cypress or those cools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been learning about them. You message about him,
and that's the guy that was on my list for
this year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got into them because I was using them as
as street trees, you know, and uh.
Speaker 1: That's sick.
Speaker 2: You can get you can collect the cones at any
time of year since they need fire to open, so
they just stay closed on the tree for the.
Speaker 1: Whole the whole U sack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, McNab cypress will yeah totally. Yeah sure, and then
but then it's their stuff, the ones that grow near
the coast are a little different because the different closer
to the coast, like the ones in Oakland, like I
had to use Santa Cruz cypress and Sergeant cypress and
you know, but there's like ten native species in California. Man,
they're all fucking dope. They're all really cool.
Speaker 3: Can you find like some really crazy rare Santa Cruz
cypress or something once?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but cypress. Yeah, it's it's got like it's more blue,
the foliage is more bluish, and it grows on that's
a really fucking wild spot where it grows. It's like
this this uh redwood, this slope of redwood and tanook
that faces the Pacific, and then there's just this little
opening that was a real cool eye opener for me too. Ecologically,
there's this little opening where the substrate just becomes sandstone
and all the soil's gone, and so the redwoods and
the tanuks can't grow on this bare rock, but the
cypresses can. The seeds fall into the cracks in the rock,
the divots and shit, and then they can hang in there.
And and yeah, this is like it's like, you know,
it's it's related to Santa cruz cypress, but it's disjunk
by like forty miles and I think it was originally
discovered in like the early nineteen hundreds, then it was lost.
No one could find it for like forty five years,
and then they found it while doing like aerial surveys
or something, because it's like a football field sized patch
of just open sandstone on this slope, like forty five
degree slope in the Redwood forest. You know, it's such
a fucking cool spot, but it's like a fifteen it's
like a ten mile hike to get there one way,
oh then ten miles out. Yeah, you'll be out there
the whole day. It's cool. I could. I can give
you the point later if you want to go check
it out. But you're walking past massive fucking tan oaks
and redwoods. It's a cool forest, you know, it's a
really cool forest.
Speaker 3: That must be a mindfug especially since like with the
red Woods, it can get so dark and then you
find this open patch.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh shit, oh yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 2: And then there's other shit growing on that barren patch too,
like fromanodendron, like Fermano dendron needs hot, dry sun, right,
what's it doing in a redwood forest? Well, it's found
the only place to grow on this barren patch of sandstone,
and that's where it pops up.
Speaker 1: But you know they just.
Speaker 2: Had a fire there. That would actually should actually go there,
Like I would like it if you went there, because
I'm curious how everything recovered after the fire, because there
were a fire burned through and decimated it. But it's
a fire adapted landscape. Yeah, fire adapted tree. The cones
literally don't open unless they get fire. And I remember
the last time I was there before it burned, I
was like, this spot needs a fire anyway, Man, this
is fucked, Like.
Speaker 3: This is just it wasn't crazy how many times that happens,
where you walk through a spot you're like, this place
needs a burn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fuel, the fuels build up, the fuel builds up,
and there's dead branches everywhere, and I mean, you know
when you're in that kind of landscape and you're like, man,
this has been fire suppressed for decades and it's you
can see how the fires get out of control because
there's so much fuels build up. You know, this shit
is building up faster than it can decay.
Speaker 3: That's something you could teach like people who aren't super
into nature too. I have a bunch of friends that
are like musicians and stuff, and so many of them
will like send me pictures like, bro, I want to
hide with my girlfriend. Look at the shit forest. It's
ready to burn.
Speaker 1: And I start laughing. Yeah, Like you could pick up
on that pretty easily.
Speaker 3: Once you explained them, like, oh, look how close the
streets are, Look at the ladder fuel. Look at all
that shit on the ground, you know, like it lets
you know? Yeah, with that the same fire as a
big basin.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. It was maybe five or six years ago.
I think I actually went back there right after it burned.
But none of the cyper seeds that germinated yet, but
there's probably a few going right now.
Speaker 1: I bet either is for sure.
Speaker 2: Buttano Yeah, but what does bhutano mean? I don't even
know what that means. It was named after a Putano creek.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a type of cheese. What is ite?
Speaker 2: It just means butane in Spanish.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fire that means. It's good?
Speaker 2: Oh wait wait now it was in Portuguese. The fuck
it's not. Why isn't picking up. The Spanish probably means
the same thing. Yeah, it just means butane. Yeah, that's weird.
I don't know that's anyway. Yeah, I don't know some
of those.
Speaker 1: Maybe it smells like just smell like gas or smell good.
Speaker 2: It smells good, it smells like lemon, like a lot
of the coast range cypresses, Like along along the coast
you got Monterey cypress, which is planted everywhere, in invasive
overseas and some similar climates. And then but it's like
rare where it's native, just like monterey pine, which is
also invasive in like New Zealand and ChIL And then
you get Hespero cyprus pigmya pygmy cypress up north Mendocino
and Kupressus or Hespero cipprus now Goveniana going cypress, Santa
Cruz cypress, which is a bramsyana like all those will
grow in like the coastal California climate. And then inland
where it's hot as balls and dry in the summer,
you've got Payute cypress, which is southern Sierra Nevada Mcnabs cypress,
which is you know, Chico area, grows on serpentine and
then yeah, Baker cypress up in uh like Ciscu. Baker
cypress smells the best. It's just it's got these glands
in it. Yeah, it's fucking smells incredible, like these little
white dots on the scales that like contained this really
pleasant smelling resin. And it's got bark that kind of
looks like a madrome like smooth and red. They grow
in Chicago. I got I planted one of my mass
yard in Chicago. They're super cold tolerant, yeah, because it
gets fucking cold in Plumus County and Ciscu and they
grow on this like timbered crater and this mountain call
Goose Nest Mountain because it's it looks like a goose nest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's an old volcanic cinder cone and sisky. There's so many,
it's so much good ship up there there.
Speaker 1: You got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all that cool volcanics. Man, you got to
go check it. Check that area out. Iamna Iliamna Baker eye.
That cool mallow. It's like a native hollyhock, another fire
dependent plant. Seeds will lay in the seed bank for
eighty years until the fire comes through, and then they'll
they'll germinate. It's like a four foot tall shrub with
big pink flowers. Yeah, there's so much good ship up there, man.
Speaker 3: You need to come down here for like like four
weeks when it's the season for like the Sierras.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to take my daughter because she needs to
see that stuff.
Speaker 4: She's five.
Speaker 2: You know, you see a tree when you're fucking when
you're like, I can imagine because I saw when I
was nineteen for the first time. When you're like five
years old and you see a tree that's the size,
like especially you know, the Sierra Redwoods, because they're bigger
than the Coast Redwoods, you know, at least at the base.
You see that when you're that's gotta be fucking mind blowing, man.
Speaker 1: To see a tree that made me pick nature, my
mom showing me that it's a kids. It's you're completely right,
mind blowing.
Speaker 2: To see a tree that's, you know, as big as
a fire truck around. I mean, that's fucking nuts, man.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be I prefer this year, if to be honest,
Like the Sequoias, I like them more, even though I
film in the red Woods a lot.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I like those more too. Yeah, they're just
it's a I mean, they're both beautiful trees, but that
one is like that with that bright red bark, and
it's got a cooler form I think. And they're just
fucking bigger too.
Speaker 3: And always growing in a mixed conifer for it. So
there's like more varieties of big ash sugar pines and stuff.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when you plant those in full sun and
you give madequate water and they're in the right you
know habitat where it cools off enough at night, they
fucking take off. You can get you know, eight feet
a year out of those things. The same thing with
coast red wood eight ten ft a year out of
coast redwood trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got to send you a picture of my grandma
as a coast redwood in her front yard that broke
the water main and she had all summer's in it
now and it's the largest redwood in Sacramon County.
Speaker 2: Bro it's a ball what they do about the water
and they have to move it or something.
Speaker 1: We had to fix it, so we cut a tree
that was by it and then paid the victo was
so expensive. Oh, just moved it around like yeah, yeah,
to the side because yeah, because the city had to
help pay for it too, because it was their waterman
and they made that decision. They're like, probably that's fucking brutal.
Speaker 2: That's cool. They didn't cut the tree though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would have been pissed because dude, it's
so big, and I hate planning, like plants in our
native to your region.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, it's amazing to wake up every
morning and just have like a humble size of redwood in.
Speaker 2: Front of region. But it's native to the state, I mean, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people get real about that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, if it's not a restoration site or inhabitat,
who gives a fun you know.
Speaker 1: Like exactly one hundred percent agree?
Speaker 2: Well, actually all locally sourced within fifty miles of this thing. Yeah,
Shadow cares the fuck Like we're in a six mass extinction.
Don't worry, but just get in the ground and provide
some habitat.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, those people are insane.
Speaker 3: When I did that video where I planted the end
danger hibiscus seats, I remember like like some page was
like he has a good following.
Speaker 1: I think like fifty thousand followers. The dude was just
trying to lecture me. I just want to be like, Bro,
I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're
completely wrong.
Speaker 2: Right now about what he was actually about what.
Speaker 3: He was like, you need to stop planning hybiscus seat
and not tell people to grow high biscuits at their
house if they're in California. I'm like why, he's like,
because you're messing up the local eco type, Like you're
gonna mess.
Speaker 1: Up the wild seed. Like, bro, there's none in the
fucking wild. I found them all in my.
Speaker 2: But you're you're planting thing. You're planting a plant that's
native to California. What was this issue that it was
one hundred miles away?
Speaker 1: He says, I was encouraging.
Speaker 3: He was trying to act like it's bad to encourage
people to grow where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it was occasion, I take it, right. Yeah,
Caucasians in California you probably, oh, yeah, those are well.
There was another thing too, like a lot of like
the Caucasians, the Caucasian California syndrome, like the Caucasian liberal California.
Speaker 1: That's what they do.
Speaker 2: They need a reason to lecture and you know, finger
waged people, and it's just it's just a compulsion. They
think they're like changing the world by doing it and
just being cunty, and it pisses people off. And it's
you know, it's like it's it's a common thing. It's
just now it doesn't bother me anymore because I I
have identified it, like, oh yeah, that's just that's what
Like people in Berkeley do I get it now? It's okay,
the rich kids from northern California, it's that they need.
It's they don't even know they're doing it, probably right,
they're just like finger wagging and it's but yeah, it's
it's fucking insufferable, man. It's it's uh, you know, it's
it's and it's predictable.
Speaker 1: So always predictable.
Speaker 2: I agree, But that's that's it turns people off too.
Speaker 1: Man. I don't know all about it.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's like learn some fucking people skills,
you know, where if you existed in your own social
bubble for so long, you forgot how to like, you know, uh,
attract people to your cause. You know, actually actually you
should be doing it this way.
Speaker 1: But that's nuts.
Speaker 2: What that hibiscus that hibiscus is native. That's a native species.
You know, what's he.
Speaker 1: Want to Yeah, what does he want?
Speaker 2: He wants to be like ten miles away from you
instead of fucking one hundred and fifty Like who gives
a shit?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I was just getting so confused off at his points
because I didn't like tell him, but I'm like, dude,
these are seats I collected from a while playing a
few years ago in my area that I grew them,
that took seats from my house, like I'm keeping the
g the local eco tags. I don't know what the
fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Just so you knew, just so you knew, they always say,
like just so you knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't stand trying to be rude, but
I think I should tell you this. Yeah, oh god yeah.
Speaker 2: And they're always fucking quiet too, And it was, you know,
those are the people like whatever, man, don't get me started.
It's like those are the people I have. I fucking
have fun fucking with those people, you know, because they're
so reserved and quiet, and I'm just like, you know,
they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: They're like a.
Speaker 2: Violence not even like you shout at those people. They
tell you're being violent, right, and then they're gonna lecture you.
They're gonna lecture you about whatever. Yeah, whatever, And they're
not even worth pantings.
Speaker 3: And they always respond like, why are you responding so
angrily even if you're not being angry trying to explain
it full to them?
Speaker 1: Why are you typing so much if you're not angry,
Why are you typing so much? Pitch, I'm trying to
teach you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, man, they're they're just they're they're
fucking oh god, it's so gross. It's just so fucking
they they got to be plants, you know, they're like
CIA plants to their cause or something exact. Especially when
you get them in like anything political. They're just so
and they have no class consciousness. They're all fucking up
each other's asses. They're all like rich kids who went
to school for too long, and they're all up each other.
Speaker 1: See, I'm getting heated right now.
Speaker 2: I gott to tone it down, Like I'm gonna go
fucking find dried dog shit and put it in these
kids mailboxes or these people. Yeah, grind it into a
fine powder and a and a coffee grinder, and then
you know, make it into some sort of powdered form
and just like with a blowgun it but.
Speaker 1: In Oakland, so you got to deal with way more
the me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was those are the people that ruined my neighborhood.
They move in, they think they're they think they're they're legit,
and okay, because they put a sign in the window,
we're allies now. Like now you're still like a rich
twat that you know is making it hotter for everyone
else here. He just wants to live in peace. Shut up.
But but with with that hibiscus though, that hibiscus species
was God. I was so fucking into it for a while.
I remember we got a kayak, me and my my
friend Raquel, we got a kayak and we I forget
where we put into the Delta, but we we we
launched out there and we were looking for this hibiscus
species and we fucking found it. We found like one
plant after paddling around for like three hours and just
seeing invasive bullshit in the arundo and that BlackBerry, and
we found one plant like two or three feet tall,
and it was on this little island in the Delta,
and we put the the kayak there. It was like
a floatable sit on top kayak. And then we were
we were like messing around on the on the little
island looking for stuff. And we came back and I
hadn't tied the kayak up enough and it had floated away.
It was like one hundred and fifty feet out into
the delta.
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, fuck.
Speaker 2: I fucking took my pants off and just jumped in
the water and went and pedaled out to it. And
I guess when I was out there, you know, because
there's sea lions out there, they'll come further up the delta.
And she's like, yeah, yeah, she was like, this sea
lion popped its head up when you were out there,
and I was worried. It was because they can fuck
you up if you get too close, the sea lion
will fuck you up. But anyway, but I went and
got this thing, and yeah, it was good, you know
because that gid like I get a little phobic around uh,
you know, dark water that you can't see the bottom end,
you know, and y it was fucking especially when there's
plant life around and ship. But yeah, yeah it was funny.
But yeah, we found that one. We found that one
or two hibiscus, you know what else is cool out
there is that? Have you seen that evening primrose? That
Antioch Dunes evening primrose? It grows all throughout like the
shores of the Delta wherever they're sin. Have you seen
that thing before?
Speaker 1: No, I have it. I know what you're talking about.
I haven't seen it, and I haven't seen the sweet
peas either, the rare sweet peas.
Speaker 2: You should get seed Annie's annuals, the nursery in Richmond.
I don't know if they still do. I think it's
changed the ownership, but they used to sell that evening primrose.
You know, it's a fucking dope big white flower smells
like jazmine, opens at night, it's pollinated by moths, and
they would sell that because they're easy as fuck to
grow from seed. There's no reason it should be endangered.
But the reason yeah, but yeah, and we get big
as fuck. I grew them on my illegal garden at
Mandela Parkway for a while. The can get like three
feet wide by like eighteen inches tall, and just you know,
fifty white flowers the size of baseballs that open at night.
And there's no reason it should be in danger because
it's so easy to grow and every flower produces you know,
a little follicle fruit that's got you know, fucking however,
many seeds and thousands of seeds. But the habitat is
you know, the invasive species and then just agriculture of
just fuck the habitat and so, but there's still spots
where you can find it. Like after a rain throughout
the delta, there was one spot right over I think
it was near Benizia. I forget where it was. But
these sandy areas, you know, where the sand that's accumulated
from the Sierra Nevada is weathering down one hundred and
fifty miles to the east, has washed up and accumulated
right there at the delta, and so that's created the
substrate for this really cool.
Speaker 1: That's such a mind fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh not, there's a species. Yeah, you should go find it. Man,
it's dope, and you collect seeds like it's super easy
to grow. So I'm so they don't need sand. They
grow in sand, but they don't need sand. They were
I was growing the ones on Mendela Parkway and like
shitty old landfill, you know, decomposing concrete and glace.
Speaker 1: Huh, whoa, that's sick.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna try to grow that then, because I
don't know, I love collecting seats. That's the other thing
that my girlfriend loves you now too, is collecting seat
It's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, growing sh it's fun, man. And then especially when
you you can put it in the ground and watch
this like habitackt create and all this cool shit show up,
like cool fucking insects and birds and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My neighbors always asking me like why, They're like, you
garden so much. I always see your planets, so they're like,
why do you.
Speaker 1: Like this so much?
Speaker 3: I'm like, I grew up in Elkgrove, California, where I
couldn't even plant a lettuce in my backyard without getting
right to get kicked out, you know what I mean,
from the hure ways, and because we were renting. So
once we moved here with land, I'm like, bitch, I'm
growing anything I could grow.
Speaker 1: It's freeing.
Speaker 2: Well, so because it's fucking great. I remember I was
a bike messenger in San Francisco like twenty years ago,
and I worked with this cholo dude who it just
got out of prison. I remember talking to him once
and he was like he was telling me about when
when he went to jail, and she never told me
what it was for, but he was like fifty at
the time, and he was like, man, I just want
to I don't even want to work this job. I
hate this job. I just want to go, like, you know,
you know, work in my garden, man. That's all I want.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He was like this big tough dude with the you know,
fucking neck tattoos, and he's like, I just want to
go work in my garden man. And and I was.
I remember thinking about it. I was like, yeah, like,
what the fuck. That's a fucking cool Like I wish
more people, you know, obviously this dude's been through some shit.
And I think the reason that it was so I mean,
the same reason it's so rejuvenating for so many people is,
you know, it was like he'd he'd had a fucked
up life, he'd been through a lot of crazy shit,
he'd spent a lot of time in the can, and
then it was it just made him feel good to
be around growing things and being you know, it was
like as close to nature as he was able to
get since he didn't live he lived in the city. Yeah,
that's a human compulsion. That's a human compulsion. That's what
we've been been that for you know, a million years
or more ever since we've been a species. Right, It's
like it's yeah, it's within us. You take people out
of that and they don't have any access that anymore,
starts to fuck them up. They may not know it,
but it starts to fuck them up. Take away the nature,
it starts to fuck people up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I think there's so many issues
from us just being in concrete. We all were all
just in boxes all day. A house, a car, abuilding,
They're all just little boxes everywhere.
Speaker 1: It is brutal.
Speaker 3: I've been like there's so many people like and say,
like you're a rich person in the Bay Area or something.
You see like these tribal people in the Amazon or Africa,
they get like, oh my god, I feel so bad
for them.
Speaker 1: They're probably happier than you, bro in my opinion, at
least living their life.
Speaker 3: Like if your whole life is just you know, hunting
and sporing, nature survival.
Speaker 2: And everything they need is supplied there, you know, the
hambitat hasn't been fucked up.
Speaker 1: Or no jobs, nothing you trade Like that sounds way more,
what are you grow?
Speaker 2: So you're growing a bunch of stuff in your yard?
I remember you were sending me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I grow a lot of stuff in my yard,
like plant native plants.
Speaker 1: I got like some fruit trees and bananas in too.
But I like my lawn last year. I like my
wildflower A long.
Speaker 3: We have fifty eight different species and this year we're
gonna try to give the seventy.
Speaker 1: It's fun, dude. Well, like I said, my grand got
a property like that. It was like an acre when
she was like a long time agoes is that property
is still cheap and it's not in a rich area,
and it's on it's just like land. I guess I
don't know. You know, three cornered garlic. You know what
that is?
Speaker 2: No, what's it?
Speaker 1: It's an invasive onion species. Her whole backyard is basically
invasive onions that I've been ripping out for like the
last eight years. But the good think about onions, though,
is once you get the ball bout, you know what
I mean, it's not going to come back other than
the seeds, and you can give rid of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But so I there's areas in Lawana that's all high
biscus and then I have a bunch of lilies, a
bunch of cal cortis. It's fund and I also because
my long fun Yeah, it's like, as I always tell
people that plan a fucking state park or national park
in your yard, like all these people saying they that
all these people going to like super booms and laying
on them and fucking everything up, And I'm like.
Speaker 1: You, like.
Speaker 2: California influencer with the yeah, the heavy face filter and
the fucking wide brand of hat, going to lay down
in some flowers. And it's such a Yeah, that's such
a thing.
Speaker 1: Man. There's there's a Hall of Funny Vice article about
it that you should watch. I did superlo man.
Speaker 2: The last time I did acid or the main I
think it was the last. I can't remember when I
last did it. No, that's not true. One of the
first times I really did acid, though, was that Carrizo
plane in a massive wildflower. Oh fuck. It was life changing.
And we had found this spot on like up in
the on the other side of the hills where nobody
else showed up the whole day. We dropped acid like
ten in the morning, uh till and we didn't come
down to like eight, you know, and it was just
looking out at like I think it was monolopia, and
I forget what the species were. I'd have to look,
but they were a fucking there to be five million
flowers on these undulating hills in front of us, with
these incredible clouds. It was just this beautiful spring day.
This was my friend Ivy and my friend Tara. Yeah,
it was fucking nuts, man. And I just remember and
like looking at the cause it's all these uplifted marine
sediments from like the last few million years. They're not
that old. I remember looking at these road cuts and
just being you know, it was like hitting me, like wow,
this shit I'm looking at was like out in the
ocean five million years ago, like in a near shore environment,
and got uplifted by thousands of earthquakes, and now it's
here with all these like you know, millions of flowers
that are just going off and they're all going to
be gone in three months, you know, because they're annuals.
And it was so fucking cool because it's you go
to Corrizo Plane when it's not blooming and it's just
it looks quote like a barren wasteland, right and yea
with one of someone from the Square community might call
a barren wasteland. But then all those seeds, all those
plants are still alive. They're just in seed form, laying
in the in the sediments.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Right there, it's just waving.
Speaker 2: Have you you've been there before?
Speaker 1: Right? No? I haven't. I want to go so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's so cool. You might have trouble getting to
some of the higher spots than the civic, but but yeah,
I don't know, there's still plenty. I have a Takoma now,
but I mean I need to I don't. I tried
to not get a truck for so long because I
was I just was, you know, cheap with the gas.
I was like, I want to fucking pay because you
only need the four wheel drive in high clearance when
you're out in the spot, when you're on the freeway,
you're just it's pointless, you know. But but yeah, I mean,
I I like get vehicles and I just beat the
ship out of them for six or seven years until
they fail and then I resell them or whatever and
then have to get a new one. I don't understand
there's people to get these trucks and like are afraid
to scratch it, and it's kind of fucking you fucking
know all right, Princess, Yeah, you get a truck to
you know, it's like that. It's it's like you know,
your own piece of art. You get a blank canvas
when it's new, and then you slowly painted with scratches,
dings and dents for the next how many years you
personalize it.
Speaker 1: I hell, I need to get a truck or something eventually.
Speaker 3: I like having the gas stuff, but there's so many
places like in like Plumus County, Lasson County areas where
like I can't get without like parking on the side
of the road at hiking for like five hours to
get somewhere where I could park if I had a truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I did for years until I
finally got one. And I before I got a truck,
I was like, I'll just get a CRV because it's
a Hanna so it's still good on gas. And then
I just would I was taking a thing where it
wasn't meant to go, and I just I fucked up
a couple of vehicles. Like yeah, but uh yeah, man,
it's you've taken your your civic into some gnarly places
though and gotten away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, Like I think I told you this before,
but they found like a in my oil plant before,
like dent it.
Speaker 2: In Jesus, so like it like javelin through the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't leaking too bad. Yeah, it wasn't leaking
too bad though, Like it was like a slow leak.
And then I went to get an oil change at
like the local place and humble and he's like, hey,
you know you have a hole in a dent in
your oil pan.
Speaker 1: I was like, what what they do? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you do to fix that?
Speaker 1: They put like this putty ship, a bunch of putty
stuff in it. It looked like seal. And then when
I got home I fixed it. Yep.
Speaker 3: But when I got home, I just fixed it myself.
Just got like it went to pick and pole took
one off. It's good thing about the civic. So if
you got a pick and pole, there's like fifty of them,
so you just take the oil pan off, putting on
the new.
Speaker 1: Two thousand ship the best year, the best year?
Speaker 2: Man. How do you listen to music? You got like
a Bluetooth story or some ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Damn that ship doesn't get jacked.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's it's a piece of ship.
Speaker 3: Well, like I love it, but like, yeah, I don't
think it's worth it when you see the car, Like
if I was like a robber person, I.
Speaker 1: Like, there's probably like the crack.
Speaker 3: Pipe in there and a bunch of cans.
Speaker 2: Somebody stole my prelude when I had it, I was
living in Oakland, and I think they just used it
to commit a felony. And then I found it parked
around the black like a week later. All right, oh
my god, I just needed to borrow it, okay, whatever,
you know. And then but then I had to call
the cops because I reported it stolen. But then I
had to call the cops before I could drive it again. Actually,
I think I drove for a while before, because you know,
if you're in it when it's stolen, if they see
a plate, they run the plates, and it's a stolen vehicle,
they automatically pull you over at gunpoint, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm gonna get pulled over in
my own car by the fucking you know.
Speaker 3: That would be hilarious though, the dad lord telling your
kid about that when she's older.
Speaker 1: We tell you. At the time I was driving my
own stolen car.
Speaker 2: I got so many crazy stories to tell her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait, but unlimited.
Speaker 2: Well man, yeah, check out I own and check out
the timbered Crater and all that, and keep educating to
zoomers about plants to please.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's really nice to see more people getting
into this stuff. And I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you do too.
Speaker 2: Really, we'll hang out when I'm next time I come
out there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll try to head out that way sometime too,
because I would really love to go see Texas.
Speaker 1: At Alabama with like Kyle. Kyle makes Alabama.
Speaker 2: Look, there's some really cool stuff out there. Yeah, there's
some really cool shit out there. You should definitely check
it out. And then yeah, if you come out here, yeah,
hit me up. I mean, I'm I go back and
forth between South and West Texas, so perfect, all right, brother,
all right, we the take care and uh yeah, man,
I don't know if there's anything else. I guess people
can always just check you out on uh TikTok and
Insta sham and whatever else.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just remember fuck permaculture.
Speaker 2: It's well intentioned, it gets people in the door, you know,
it's I got a couple of ideological flaws in it
as it existed, but yeah.
Speaker 4: All right, all right.
Speaker 2: Takes a lot of sacked food, forced everybody, all right,
go funk
Speaker 1: Up by man hit my bite.