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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Tony.

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Speaker 2: This episode of the Crime Pace But Bodany Doesn't podcast

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is sponsored by Possibility Place Nursery located in Beautiful Money, Illinois,

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down there south the Homewood in Alship. It's one of

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the best native plant nurseries in the Tri state area.

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Oh my god, I'm going to hit you over the

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head with a piece of rebar if you don't go

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visit this place sometime in the next couple months and

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purchase some plants for your home. They got all kinds

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of interesting stuff down here, and I got like six

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or seven different oak species. If you need a tree,

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you could plant some native oaks. It benefits all the caterpillars,

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which then later turn into moths, which then later turn

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into food for your birds. You like having the birds around?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: It comes me down after a shitty day. I have

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you come home and it's a bunch of nice birds

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hanging out in your yard. Who wouldn't want that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: You need some milk weeds. They got a bunch of

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milk weeds. They got rare milk weeds. They got Comptonia paregrina.

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Then you know that rare member of the mirror Casey

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the axe myrtle family. It's got the you know, can

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Toni is a real cool one. They grow you see

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in like in the sandy areas around Indiana dunes and stuff,

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but nobody grows it in the Chicago area. They got

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a Scleapias exaltatia a Sclepias hotela Asclepius incarnada a Scleapias

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purparacids soul of anthiisiiaca through Brosa Britishlona and Barritta flora.

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They got pawpause. They got a straggless canadensist. Who else

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is growing a straggless canadensist as straggleist. It's a big

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genus in a legume family. Really cool flowers. Right, but

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you know we get that native one right that most

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of them are out west. We get this native one

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and right there in the Chicago area, right they got

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they got stuffed in. Nobody else has grown, so go

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down check them out. Possibility placed nursery. It's not a

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halfway house where your cousin Nikki got sent to after

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he got out of the joint for selling broken power tools. Okay,

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but uh, but it's one of the best nurseries that

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we got in the Chicago area. Oh, they got dryopteris.

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They got Desmodium canadents Dosmanthis illinoensis, which some of the

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drug bros think has DMT in it. They got Delia candida,

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Delia purpurria. I just sent them Delia foliosa seed. They

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got all kinds of cool native prairie grasses. They got

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god damn, they got like nine different species of Helianthus.

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They got three different species and native Saint John's ward

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ilex Vertissilada, Iliama ramota, the rare kankakee, mallow jug lands,

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Siniia jug lands nigra. They got, got six different species

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of aiatrs. They got Lilium philadelphicum, our native lily, Lilium

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michigan ns. And Lilian philadelphicum. Who else is growing those?

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They got Lindara benzoin. They got a bunch of different lobilias.

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They're growing native magnolia's. They got a bunch of good ships,

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so hit them up. They're good people.

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Speaker 1: I know them.

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Speaker 2: I did a show their last summer. It's two brothers,

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wonderful staff. And they got some really good soil too.

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They got a nice soil mix, their own soil recipe.

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They showed it to me last time I was there.

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Oh they got past the floor Incarnada too, the native

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passion flower. Anyway, that's thanks to Possibility Place for sponsoring

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this episode on A Crime Pays a Botany Doesn't Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Go check him out.

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Speaker 2: If you don't go check him out, I'm gonna put

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beef bullyon cubes in your freaking shower heads. Welcome to

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another episode of A Crime Pays a Bond He Doesn't Podcast. Today,

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my guest is the illustrious young gentleman known as the

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Sacramento Food Forest on Instagram and TikTok, my buddy Jesse Dixon,

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who resides out there in northern California up in Sacramento

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and has been doing a good job of spreading the

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message of the living world and getting people interested in

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native plants, native ecosystems, native ecology, and just paying attention

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to the living world around him. So I'm very excited

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to have him on and here we go. All right,

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Jesse dis So, what's going on? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you man? I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: You you've been I saw you were in the desert

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lately and you were at where were you you were

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at the California Native Plant Society Conference in southern California too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they invited like some like people make videos like

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Golden State Naturalists, Griff Gordon, the Fantastic fascinated by fun

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guy guy, he's so funny.

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Speaker 1: So it was fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, it's great. Did they have a nice refreshment's table?

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They probably had nice refreshments and merch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all expensive for the merch for the refreshment.

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Speaker 3: I don't drink though, so like everyone like, they use

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it as an opportunity to like drink after and talk.

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Speaker 2: So I can stand guy there, Yeah, I don't drink. Yeah, yeah, no,

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thank you man. No, give me like an an a

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beer or some green teaen fucking you know.

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Speaker 1: Give me some orange soda sun kissed.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, you drink that ship with the high fruit

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though sent it. Yeah, my god, fucking brutal fire. I

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got my addiction's caffeine.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know when I hit when I do too much coffee,

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then I move on to the green tea, which a

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drink in an abundant the mounts. But but yeah, so

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that was Has it been a good rain year for California?

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Speaker 4: It looks like it.

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Speaker 3: It's been good, but it's been super weird. Like we

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got rain really early. But the good thing about the

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early rain is it rained at the perfect time for

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like our struggling salmon run to get the areas they've

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been trying to get too can't reaps like dry Creek.

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So we had salmon and dry creek, which was amazing, dude.

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Speaker 1: But so we had good rain.

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Speaker 3: Then it stopped and towards the end, like right now,

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it's really warm, so things are blooming super early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're you know, I see all the stuff

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you're doing. It's like you're retracing my steps all this

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shit I was doing there fifteen years ago. It's kind

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of cool.

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Speaker 1: Like the salmon, dude.

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Speaker 2: But the salmon run, I remember like going because we

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would go to Marine when I lived in oaklah We

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would drive the Marine to go like get hints in

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nature and go check out the Serpentine areas. And I remember,

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you know, there were signs on the creeks it said

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sam would show up, but I never saw any. It

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was kind of like I never even saw that. Where

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do you see all the salmon?

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Speaker 1: And well, Marin we actually went there last year. We went.

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Is it Laguta Creek or Loukanta's or something. Yeah, we're

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talking about. Yeah, there we go Logas.

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Speaker 3: We went there last year and we saw only one

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one Coho that area. Get to Coho and they're really struggling.

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But for me, there's multiple spots. I love to go

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to Dry Creek. There's an Auburn ravine and then do

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you know where Nimbus Dam is? No, A Nimbus dam

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is like a dam that's.

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Speaker 1: Before fulsome damn.

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Speaker 3: It's like flood control for ranch of Cordova Farroaks area,

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and that's where the old Nimbus Hatchery fish ladder is.

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Speaker 1: So if you go over there, you'll see thousands of fish.

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It's so crazy, man.

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Speaker 3: But it's just kind of sad too because you know,

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some are like hatchery, so they're just kind of eluding

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the genetics in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not what It kind of must have

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been so amazing to see fucking three four hundred years ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, no, dude, it would have been mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like everywhere in like western North America,

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even where I live, you know, in South Texas, like

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you know, relatively recently, like shit didn't start getting cleared

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and masts down here in the borderlands till like you know,

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eighteen late eighteen hundreds, nineteen nineteen hundred maybe, you know,

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but just amazing. Just to see intact ecosystems must have

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Speaker 1: Especially for California.

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Speaker 3: Everything is so altered, man, So if you think about it,

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it's kind of like a mind fuck. You're like, oh,

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there's houses here, but maybe one hundred years ago that's

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used to be a river there, but they refloated, and

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so it's so crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the death Cult still got there

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much later, a few hundred years later than it did

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on the East coast, so there's still stuff is still

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you know, much more intact there than out east where

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it's had you know, five hundred plus years of being wrecked.

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seeing salmon up on the Shasta little Shasta River, but

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and I know they.

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Speaker 3: Just I haven't checked. Yeah, I haven't checked that area,

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but it seems beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I spent so much time up there, like like the

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duns duns Mere Weed, Siscu County. I mean, there's just

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there's such incredible ship and it's all volcanic too, volcanic

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Speaker 1: So many endemics.

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Speaker 3: That's how you could tell if someone actually cares about

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like cool species. If you bring up serpentine and they

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don't get excited, You're like, okay, you doesn't know yet,

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he doesn't know yet.

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Speaker 2: It's a good gauge. Yeah, I know, it's a good gauge.

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It's like, oh, you gotta be we gotta get you

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on this stuff. We gotta you, gotta you gotta understand

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the serpentine endemism. But yeah, I felt really lucky to

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learn botany in California because, like, serpentine is such a

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big part of it, and it was that really rammed

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home the idea of how closely geology can be tied

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to plant speciation and endemism. You know, I completely agree.

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Speaker 3: That's the stuff I'm starting to learn about more now

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as a geology and it's so mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So where do you like when learning stuff like that?

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You should just take a Have you taken any community

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college courses? I say community college. That's cheaper than fucking

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paining happy ass like you know some but yeah, like

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just just like a community college geology course, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I should do. But I'm more like you.

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I'm mostly self taught.

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Speaker 3: I have a really amazing mom who vetted my addiction

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to nature since I was a little kid. Instead of

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like being against it, she helped me and get me

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books and take me places.

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Speaker 1: So I've always been interested in plants. It's amazing.

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and not be afraid of it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was like, like you can learn.

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Speaker 3: So like my girlfriend, I'm my girlfriend, I'm we've been

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dating for three years, so when I first met her,

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she didn't know anything about plants or mushrooms, and now

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she's calling out plants before me, like.

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Speaker 1: Just because iinat Yeah, that's yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's such a great tool. It's crazy. That's what's crazy too,

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is like, yeah, I hear these like old it's mostly

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like old men. But I'll hear like older men complain

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that they don't like inad or what and they don't

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really understand how it works. I know, like I know that,

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you know, but they're like I don't like it, and

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it's like what a funck nut. It's like an open

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source platform. First off, you don't have to share locations.

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blog book, your own record of everything you've seen. So

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if you forget a name, you can look it up,

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and if you forget a location, you can look it up,

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and you learn so much more about everything around you.

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Like it's it's such a great fucking tool, you know.

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always pay attention to what family it's in. If you're

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not paying attention to what family it's in, you're you're

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depriving yourself with the opportunity to start recognizing the traits

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of different families and then teach yourself the fact they'll

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play it that identification and you can go to e

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naturalist and click on a species page it's something you've observed,

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it's in and all this shit. You start recognizing similarities like, oh,

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looks like that other one I saw that was in

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the Carrott family. Oh that makes sense, now I know

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what the carrot family means.

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Speaker 1: You know, but.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know I was like that until a

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few months ago, because like on the iPhone app, it's

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pretty garbage. It's fun to use, but like you don't

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get all the information you get like on a computer.

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Speaker 1: It's sick.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I've heard. The I use Android, I can't.

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I can't stand Apple, but uh, I've heard the phone

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app is kind of ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're too based for Apple.

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Speaker 2: I just I remember I tried it once and I

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was like, this is just it's you know, and then

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I'm then you're stuck on it, you know, whereas Android

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is like it's you know, you can use any different

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model of phone. But but yeah, they should, you know,

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they should.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, like the developers of the app

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or have made it so different for Apple, but.

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Speaker 1: They would get so much more use as they made

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it better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know, you've also got websites like

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you know, if iin ass feeling, you I mean, you

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get you have cal Flora, which is that's like the

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fucking gold standard of of looking up plants. They've got

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the what grows here thing? You know function, and whoever selects.

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good too, like they they you know where it's like

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ininad like the thumbnail for a species, the photo for

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a species page might be shit, there's can't tell what

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the plant is, But on calclados they really curate it well,

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or cal flora they really curated.

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Speaker 3: It is really nice for looking for stuff too, Like

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if you're like, I can't find this one flower, you

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can just look through there and it really helps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, and then it ties to the jepsum

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you know, or you can look for like if you

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know something's in a family but you don't know what

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plant it is, you can type in the family and

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then set like a polygon on the map around where

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you observed it. It's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: Do you go to Jepson every like the jets of vertopools?

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Speaker 2: I've gone there before, yeah, years ago. I mean I

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moved away from California five years.

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Speaker 1: Ago now, so we miss you.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: I go back.

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Speaker 2: It's nice to go back. I missed the flora there.

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It's so different from here, and the precipitation regime especially,

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it's so different from here. But but yeah, man, I

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mean I remember going to those seeing all the Downingia's

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all the cool, you know, these clades of you know,

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ephemerals that spend most of their time just lying in

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seed form and then wait for the winds rains. So cool.

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You've been you've been up on the vernal pools lately, huh.

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Speaker 1: I love the verna pools, man, They're so beautiful.

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Speaker 3: My favorite thing about the vernal pools is like most

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of the year you'll look at them and it looks

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so barren, and then you go there at the right

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time and it's just all color.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts and it's like all you know, you'll

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see rings of color too, where like one species needs

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a certain condition, you know, and as the pool starts

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to dry up from the outside in, you'll have these

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different you know, different different species going off. It kind

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of like segregates the different plant species which have different

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color flowers. It's so fucking cool. Yeah, there was a

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bunch up by Chico. I remember a friend of mine

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who lived up there. Uh, John Ditties, John.

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Speaker 1: Ditties, John Dittys. Have you met him? No, I know,

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but that's an amazing name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's cool. He lives right on the on Uh,

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I think some river up i Chico. I forget where.

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He's got a really cool house. I remember he had

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a bunch of pipe vine in his yard and it

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was I went there once to visit him and him

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and him and his wife, and it was just covered

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in swell tailed butterflies.

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Speaker 4: But uh but sick.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but there was.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of cool vernal pools up there. Where

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are the vernal pools there? It's Jepson. Where is that exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like between Vacaville and Dixon. Like you right

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when you see the I fit on eighty where Dixon is,

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you get off there and then just go down into

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the farm land. So it's in Solano County. Still, my

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favorite personally is Mayther. I don't know if you've ever

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been there, but oh my god, dude, it's right by.

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Speaker 1: My house too. The cool thing about Mather too is Mayther.

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Speaker 3: For me, like when I first started getting into verna pools,

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Mather like opened my eyes to different management strategies. So

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when you go to Jepson, you'll notice how bier verse

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and beautiful it is. Obviously, but you'll notice they also

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have a lot of sheep and cattle that will go

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around there managing the land, whereas Nay, there they just

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set it on fire.

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Speaker 1: And there's so many more species.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it should be. Yeah, that's cool. Where is

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where's the Coyote Creek spot that you were talking about?

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I remember you put in videos up they wanted to

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build some solar plant there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kaydie, do you know where Prairie City State

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qual Recreational Area is? No?

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Speaker 2: Is it in there? Whereas it is it?

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Speaker 1: It's in County County.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in Sacramento County on the border of I

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think Eldorado. And it might be a plaster act because

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it's when you're on Fulsome, when you're on fifty, you're

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about the hit Eldorado Hills, so it's right between Foulsome

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I think. Though it's called White Rock Road, it's it's

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directly adjacent to a off road state park where it

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has vernal pools, but it's mainly off roaders. But it

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honestly opened my eyes to I've always kind of had

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an issue with off road people growing up, but they're

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pretty based. Like when you get them on your side

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for land management uses. Man, they are ready to fight.

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They get down. But so, Prairie City is a I

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believe it's the number one off road state park in

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all of California. It gets over two million visitors a year,

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brings it fifty million dollars in tax dollars to the

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local communities. And they wanted to build a solar farm

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at Kytie Creek, which is right across from it, and

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Kydie Creek is a twenty seven hundred acre property as

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over three thousand oak trees, mainly blue oak woodlands.

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Speaker 1: It's a farmer.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember his name, but he was at the

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conference gas lighting so hard because he called himself I admit, sure,

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I read this over you.

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Speaker 1: He's a self described.

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Speaker 3: Pioneer family who came to the who walked up to

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the land and claimed it. He said he claimed it

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when it was barren. He claimed it when it was barren.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how barren was it was a blue oak woodland.

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They see it sounds like a jack So this dude's

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trying to cash in.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's hardcore.

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Speaker 3: This dude basically wanted to turn it into a pitt mine.

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And the county said no, and so he told the

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county Plan B would be a solar farm, and that's

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when the Sierra Clip hit me up. They're like, we

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need help because everyone is just passing it because they

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were using green energy to basically greenwash the whole project

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and buy local profit.

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Speaker 1: Fucked.

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Speaker 2: It's so fucked when one person, you know, it's my land, really,

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it's your You're going to take it with you when

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you die, it's your land. Like when one person has

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so much control, I mean that's the default in Texas,

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where everything's privately owned. It's such a it's such a drag,

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you know, it's it's just the way everything is. And

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so one person, you know, they're their parents might have

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been cool and want and appreciated the life there and

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wanted to preserve it. And then their parents die and

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the kids are all spoiled turds, and you know they help,

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They fight amongst each other for who's going to inherit it,

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and then you know, they divide it up into little

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ten ten acre rancheetahs that they're going to sell to

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some knobs who you know, want want the illusion of

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country living, and everything gets destroyed. There's no respect for

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the land. So this dude, I mean, why doesn't he

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just sell it to the county. I mean the county

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or someone could probably still offer him money for it.

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It's not gonna get as much as maybe if he

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was gonna sell to a similar farm. But what's his deal.

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Speaker 3: He turned down about thirty million dollars in climate easements.

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They were gonna put uasements on the whole thing to

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preserve it forever, and he said no. He's kind of

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doing like the classic rich farmer like work around where

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he's saying, we don't have enough money to control the farm,

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but we don't want to do this. We want to

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do this even at his wife go up there and

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cry saying they need money. But then the Sierra Club

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came up and they're like, they're talking about they don't

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have money. They turned down thirty million dollars from us.

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Their property is worth million.

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Speaker 2: Thirty million, So what does it mean thirty million dollars

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with easements, Like it's still it's his land, but it's

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put into a conservation easement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically it'll be his land forever. He could

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farm it, he could do whatever. He just can't develop it.

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You can't build a road there there.

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Speaker 1: What a fucking yeah, I know, because it destroys this

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whole argument of saying he needs the money to afford

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his property, because they're like, we'll give you the money

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today if you say yes, and he just keeps saying no.

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Speaker 2: How is thirty million bucks not enough for him?

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Speaker 1: He's a pioneer family.

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Speaker 2: Likes like money, like actual money, not like thirty million

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dollars in tax and incentives. But thirty million, cold hard dollars.

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What a what a fucking douche?

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Speaker 3: And these organizations have a lot of money. They're trying

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to buy land right now, not buy it, but put

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Smith's on it. Like you have the State Land Trust,

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you have the Sierra Club, you have the Individual Land Trust.

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Speaker 1: Like these people were ready to save it. They just

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the property owner wasn't willing.

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Speaker 2: God, man, imagine what kind of value system you have

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to have if like someone's offering you thirty million dollars

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and you still don't want to, you know, do something

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that's going to like protect land and everything that lives

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on it. That's not so what's the status now? So

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that some solar company was going to buy it, but

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then their main customer that was going to purchase the

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electricity said we're not going to purchase this anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Mud, Yeah, that's pretty cool. The Smudge backed

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out of it because of the lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is that the issue is the county

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gave them the permit. The county passed at five to

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OZHO and the county used the same big thing you said.

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The county basically said people have a right to do

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whatever they want with their property. That's why they passed it.

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And they agreed that. The county commissioner that had one

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literally said where is Smud? Why is Smud not here?

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Why is no one representative trying to make excuses why

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we should do this. But we're still going to pass

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it because people can do whatever they want with their lands.

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Speaker 2: Properly and then right seah, just no collective responsibility. What

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that's fucked man.

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Speaker 1: And the big thing I also want to get across

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for this project is it really opened my eyes to.

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Speaker 3: How unsustainable a lot of these solar projects are. So

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for Heidie Creek, It's Foothills, oak Woodlands and Vernaples. They

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want to use to eight tons of dynamite every day

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for two months straight and.

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Speaker 1: Then they're going to use fill trucks to take all

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the dirt out and then put new filled dirt in,

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and then they're saying, in thirty five years the lease

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is over and then they're going to return the land

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to what it was. How the fuck do you do that?

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How do you blow There's no way.

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00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: Why do they need to blow it up to level

468
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,720
it out or something or what?

469
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to level it out because it's foothills.

470
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,720
It's right where the valley hits the foot hills.

471
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,559
Speaker 2: It's so fucked the solar farm things. Fuck they did

472
00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:20,599
that out here. I think it was British Petroleum. They

473
00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:24,720
destroyed thousands of payote plants, thousands of starcac dis plants,

474
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,000
the only population of euphobia anti cephalitica down here, which

475
00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,799
is actually a different it's a new species. And yeah,

476
00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:36,160
it was fucked, man, but it's you know, it's it's Texas.

477
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,119
And they had, you know, all these shiny faces, you know,

478
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,240
with their fucking lip injections and the botox whatever, you know,

479
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,240
male and female botox. It's you know, everybody gets both

480
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,480
toxic smiling with the ribbon cutting ceremony. And meanwhile you've

481
00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:53,559
got all these parking lots that just cook in the sun.

482
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,359
And you know, it's so hot here. I mean, the

483
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,440
sun just destroys the paint and yeah, ammobiles, all the interior,

484
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,960
you know, the plastic offcasting and shit. It's like, oh

485
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,079
my god, so fucked up here. They could have put

486
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,039
those solar panels above the parking lots, but they're destroying,

487
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:13,839
you know, but people don't. Most of the people that

488
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,279
live down here are so disconnected from the land. I

489
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880
just they have no idea what's being lost, and nobody cared.

490
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous. You're lucky.

491
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,599
Speaker 2: That's the thing about California, man, It's like it's nice

492
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:28,279
that people it's like generally more in the zeitgeist. They're like, oh, yeah,

493
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:31,799
it's nice to have plants and trees. Yeah, in native

494
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:32,799
habitat around you know.

495
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they try to get the project passed.

496
00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: There's an organization called sack Tree. There are a nonprofit

497
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,079
that goes around Sacramento. They plant oak trees. They're basically

498
00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:47,720
completely dedicated. They're protecting oak woodlands, oak trees and city trees.

499
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,079
Speaker 1: That are oaks.

500
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 3: And what happened is the local nonprofit paid them off

501
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,839
and sack Tree. It was used to greenwash the whole project,

502
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,359
where everyone was against it at first, and then when

503
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,000
sack Tree showed up and basically was like, we're sack Tree,

504
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,839
you trust us to protect all the trees.

505
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: We think they're doing a good job.

506
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: So then the county just used them as the excuse

507
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,559
to be like, okay, zac Tree said it will be fine,

508
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:11,880
that you're gonna plant acorns, so it'll be good.

509
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,839
Speaker 2: That's that's so crazy. God damn. So what is it

510
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,839
right now? It's it's like oak kind of savannah, like

511
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,920
rolling green hills with blue oaks.

512
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.

513
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he has cattle of course, the cattle are by

514
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,759
the riperian areas and the vernal pools. And then the Yeah,

515
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,440
it's blue oak woodland, blue oak savannah. And apparently I

516
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,640
haven't been able to I can't say if I am

517
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,440
actually so, maybe the UC Davis did a study there

518
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,319
and found the oldest, tallest and largest blue oaks left

519
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,839
in California on that property.

520
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:53,759
Speaker 2: Wow, damn, shout out the corcus the glacier. Yeah, yeah,

521
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,680
that's nuts, man, It's crazy. That thing is that. That's

522
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,559
a very heat tolerant tree too.

523
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,599
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I've heard it's the most dronk tolerantree

524
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:03,480
in California. I don't know if that's actually true, but

525
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,640
I've heard it from multiple like scientists people.

526
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they you know, they get they get that

527
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,480
fungal sheath all over the roots that act the micro

528
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:14,000
rhizal sheath. I mean, I'm sure that helps all the

529
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,039
oaks out there. You know, there's tons of cool mushrooms

530
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,279
come up beneath it.

531
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Ye.

532
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I was in Soco, that's what it

533
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,759
was all throwing me off. I was like, ah, there's

534
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:25,720
is palm trees. I missed all the oaks and the

535
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,160
mushrooms and the flowers, like the whole woodland.

536
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: It made me realize how much I love them. Yeah.

537
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about like the native palm oases or

538
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:36,000
just the palms that are planted everywhere inside of California.

539
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: That well both The palm oasis was gorgeous. I loved it. Yeah,

540
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,240
but in the city.

541
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: I was in Riverside, man, those motherfuckers are water vampires.

542
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: Bro. Like across there the house there was a nursery

543
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,200
there that would keep their sprinkler on all night and

544
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480
driving me insane. God, this not even just looking at

545
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:55,640
seeing it.

546
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: It's so nuts. Yeah, it's so it's so fucking obscene.

547
00:24:59,519 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: Man.

548
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: This see lawns and irrigation for just you know, landscaping,

549
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,519
like heavy irrigation, for landscaping in places where it's that hot,

550
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,559
like in the Southwest, or especially when you see the

551
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,319
sprinklers and they're just watering the sidewalk in the Oh

552
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,839
my god.

553
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,519
Speaker 1: Yes, idiots, you gotta water this cement. Bro I'll keep

554
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:18,759
it alive. It lasts longer.

555
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,839
Speaker 2: You need like gangs the teens to go out there

556
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,880
and vandalize those irrigation systems or something, you know, and

557
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400
just it keeps happening until you know, the owner just

558
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,759
gives up. You know, if the city there's not going

559
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,200
to be laws against it, just get the teens, you know,

560
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,359
get angry things to go vandalize it.

561
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: Why not. That's how I feel about honey beehives. Yeah,

562
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,839
that's the thing too.

563
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Someone just sent me an email for because I get

564
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,279
these publicists sending me emails and they're like, oh, would

565
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,240
you like to, you know, have me on your podcast

566
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,039
to talk about the bees, And it was like it

567
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,079
was just the tot honeybee book. It's like, I don't

568
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,039
want to fucking no. I don't care about honey bees.

569
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,920
I hate honey bees, especially where I live. They're all

570
00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:01,960
fucking deadly too. They're all yeah, scooter, Yeah, yeah, man.

571
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,559
I have friends that have almost died from getting attacks.

572
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:06,640
One of my my one of my friends who's a

573
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,880
snake guy, he's a herper.

574
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,279
Speaker 1: He got it.

575
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,799
Speaker 2: He got attacked by bees. Another friend of mine got

576
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,319
stung like hundreds of times and somehow survived. Yeah. They're

577
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,960
really nasty, man. It's crazy because you'll be like fifty

578
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,519
feet from the hive and a couple of them start

579
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,359
coming at you, you know, and then once a couple

580
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,519
come at you, and now you're marked and you have

581
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:26,279
to leave the area immediately.

582
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: Fuck. Have you seen the killer be guy on like Instagram?

583
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,359
He's so funny.

584
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I had him on here like a few

585
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,920
months ago.

586
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have to listen to that. That dude

587
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,559
makes me laugh so hard. I love how he he

588
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,000
leans into it. He talks shit, he's.

589
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I know, he's totally It's like if

590
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,079
you don't if you've ever been to Bisbee, Arizona, but

591
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,200
that guy is like total bisbeeye, you know. It's just

592
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,920
like it's yeah, he's cool. There's old, old, old, uh

593
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,839
old haggard wing nut you know that I said in

594
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,519
a good way, and you know, as a wing myself.

595
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just is like all all about.

596
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: His thing and yeah, man, he's a Yeah, they're great.

597
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,720
I love watch some of the ship that they go through.

598
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,079
Just it does. It looks like the Seventh Portal of Hell.

599
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:17,640
Just these fras, you know, like a dilapidated, dilapidated, dilapidated

600
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,359
trailer in the middle of the desert is just filled

601
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,279
with it. A hive with like five million you know, like.

602
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, super last huge hives.

603
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, just so yeah, because they can last for years,

604
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,400
you know, some of those things with that it's gnarly.

605
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480
I remember seeing a faral honeybee hive in the Mohave once.

606
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:39,079
Speaker 1: Uh.

607
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,039
Speaker 2: I saw a bunch of bees going into some rock

608
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:44,519
crevice on a big granite boulder and I was like

609
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,319
thirty feet away, but I could hear them. There were

610
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:48,200
so many of them. It was nuts. I think there

611
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,440
was an old woman mountains I forget, but yeah, so

612
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:53,319
you were just in the desert though, right, Yeah.

613
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: I was in U.

614
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: I went to Antebrago, I went to Joshua Tree, the

615
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:57,880
Sultan Sea.

616
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: Have you been to Sultan Sea? Yeah?

617
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah A long years the vibe Vie for a

618
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,039
Kopeia Mountains.

619
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah are you are?

620
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: You got a four wheel driver? What are you taking

621
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,279
out there?

622
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,279
Speaker 1: A two thousand call me? Yeah? Yeah, dude, it's getting

623
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:17,720
towards the end of its life. I think it needs

624
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,359
like a new radiator fan or something. But bro, that car.

625
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 3: I try to tell people that cars taking me to

626
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,559
like every inch of California.

627
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:28,519
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, that's what I did. I had like

628
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,440
a eighty nine Honda Prelude. It was what I learned

629
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,279
to drive. Yeah, like two thousand and six. That was

630
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,039
what I learned to drive stick shift on. And then

631
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,519
I had like another Honda Civic that I remember launching

632
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,119
a toilet off of the hood of the car when

633
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,079
I was hammered once a friend. We were driving down

634
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,000
like old industrial corridors Oka. We had this old toilet

635
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:50,680
and maybe we were like listening to thrash metal and

636
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,720
you know, got up to like yeah, no one was out,

637
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,000
no one was going to get hurt. It's like an

638
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,200
industrial state. We got the car up to like sixty

639
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,880
miles per hour, slammed on the brakes, just launched the

640
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,920
toilet like you know a hundred and just trope away.

641
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,519
Speaker 1: That sounds fun activities.

642
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, you know, before I got sobered, it

643
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,279
was I'm glad I had some you know, I had

644
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:11,079
some nights like that.

645
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. But now that you're sober, you're calmer. Now it's

646
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Honda's Well.

647
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: The thing is to try and be crazy without booze,

648
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,720
you know, and you be yourself and all that went

649
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,079
up booze, so which, you know.

650
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,839
Speaker 1: That's what I had to learn to when I got

651
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,480
off the pills. I thought I would never be the

652
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,039
same to that eight years oh nice. Yeah, yeah, man,

653
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,039
that was a big pill head.

654
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just alcohol for me. But I tried

655
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,960
to try to get you know, help other people get

656
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,599
get off of it, because man, alcohol sucks. It's so

657
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,359
fucking whack. It just it just prevents self growth. It

658
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,400
numbs you from all the ship you need to feel.

659
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,759
It's just it's such a like it stunts everything, you know.

660
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have family from Pine Ridge, Like my family's

661
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,039
originally from Pine Ridge, South Dakota Reservation, and that this

662
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,359
is like a textbook example of what alcohol could do.

663
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,279
So like seeing that made me never touch I don't

664
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,519
like the flavor either. But like growing up and seeing that,

665
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,440
I was like, yeah, I'm scared of this.

666
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,839
Speaker 2: Oh you never drank to begin with.

667
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,839
Speaker 3: No, I was always I basically I did. I used

668
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,519
to do like muay Thai. I still do the jiu

669
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:20,839
jitsu now, but not muay Thai.

670
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: And I was able to get on painkillers from fights,

671
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,119
and then I just started taking more and more and

672
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
it just turns into your whole life basically.

673
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like the opposite. I never

674
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,759
got into like opiates. I just never liked them, you know.

675
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,119
But but yeah, but and then, but like with Booze too,

676
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:38,960
I would like I'd quit drinking for like five months.

677
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I'd be like, see, I don't have a problem.

678
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,039
Speaker 2: I could, I could quit, you know, but then I'd

679
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:46,440
go tear one off whenever I you know, whenever that ended,

680
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,000
and and it's just like, you know, it's just white

681
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,160
knuckles just because you can white knuckle it through five

682
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,880
months of quasi. Sobriety doesn't mean you're not a drunk,

683
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,359
you know, Yeah.

684
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,279
Speaker 3: Because you don't. You got to address the reasons why

685
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:57,880
you're drinking.

686
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not. Yeah, you're not dealing with any of

687
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,640
your But I mean there's people you see that all

688
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,160
over the world that aren't alcoholics but still aren't dealing

689
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,759
with their ship. And in a way, I feel like

690
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,920
I was lucky, like my ship with alcohol forced me

691
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
to deal with other things about myself that were that

692
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,279
needed to be addressed. You know, I would just agree

693
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,359
came from fucked up childhood or fight with people or whatever.

694
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440
But anyway, So, so you were in the desert for

695
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,160
a few weeks and then came up, are you gonna

696
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,960
have back down there or what?

697
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

698
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,359
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted Because I wanted, I didn't get

699
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,200
to I mean, I had to freeze the planes. And

700
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
that ship looks like it's popping off right now. So

701
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,559
I might drive down there for like a weekend to

702
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,240
go see that. Betther than that, it's flower season in

703
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,319
North calis I kind of want to go to the Serpentines, like,

704
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:43,599
look at serpentine soil.

705
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: There's a place Traverse Creek. I've no I don't know

706
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,880
if you've heard of there, but it's, oh my god,

707
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,960
I fucking love it. Yeah, there was.

708
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,359
Speaker 2: You were getting into a bunch of the native lily ace,

709
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,240
right native.

710
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love the fertilarious. Like last night, we

711
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,200
just drove up to Cash Creek and then we found

712
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,039
adobe lilies. It was so nice. The fertilia, they're so beautiful.

713
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,759
Speaker 2: Which one which.

714
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: I think Flora flora or Florum point? Yeah? Yeah, And

715
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,480
then I want to look for Fertillaria falcata and then.

716
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,319
Speaker 2: Have you seen them?

717
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: No?

718
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing is incredible. Yeah I can. I'll send

719
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,359
you some points, you know, just yeah, don't share, of course,

720
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,519
but uh, of course.

721
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

722
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: That's one thing I loved about California that was so cool,

723
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,559
especially getting into plants, was you know, one genus would

724
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,599
have so many different species in it, and you could

725
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920
just see how these different forms had evolved, you know,

726
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,319
for different different landscapes or geologies or whatever. But still

727
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,160
like you know, they were like in close proximity to

728
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,799
each other where you could see you know, a number

729
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,759
of them in a day just by driving around. It

730
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,720
was really really you you know, a really good example

731
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,680
of natural selection.

732
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of those habitats, like I remember I

733
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,640
saw the video of you. I think you were looking

734
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,559
at a fritillary falcata and.

735
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,559
Speaker 3: It looked like you were like on fucking mars bro

736
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,519
The floor was like all eroded into crumbles and you're

737
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:12,839
just high up on this hill.

738
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: Serpentine.

740
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's just like what the plant shows that.

741
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,599
The flight was like this is my spot, right, Yes.

742
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: San Benito County has some really good serpentine and then

743
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,039
there's some yeah there was. There's a bunch in like Alameda.

744
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,599
There's a bunch of cool serpentine Alameda County. I think

745
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,599
it's Alameda, Stanislas County. So it's a weird area, I mean,

746
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,279
but it's those It's like, you know, you could like

747
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,720
drive along the roads there and you see this habitat

748
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,519
and it just it's it just draws you in because

749
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,920
it's so fucking bizarre. You're like, man, what And those

750
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,039
the ghost pines that, oh god, I can't believe that

751
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,720
I forgot the species name Pina sabiniana. You know, they're

752
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,319
growing all scraggly, they're not straight, they're like growing all

753
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,960
strat scraggly and tortured and you know, no needles on

754
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
like the bottom eighty percent of this well it looks

755
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440
like a twisted flagpole or something. You know, it's just

756
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:11,199
really bizarre, just the coolest show. Cool yeah, man.

757
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: I just serpentine is addicting, Like the habitats are so addicting.

758
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it shows you how, you know, how a

759
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,800
plant can have like a quote normal relative, a normal

760
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,519
species in the genus you know that grows, you know,

761
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,599
on thicker soils that aren't too chemically stressful, and then

762
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,480
you see a relative on serpentine and it looks fucking insane.

763
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,320
It's got like glaucous more bluish shoes and it's all

764
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,639
you know, pigmy colored like dwarfed and yeah, just just

765
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,920
totally weird. There's I remember there was a there's a

766
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,199
you know, there's the bands of serpentine going north and

767
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
south right in the coast ranges, and then a few

768
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,159
in the Sierra Nevada as well, and so there was

769
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,800
some I forget the county. It was north of eighty though,

770
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,920
But there's another cool spot up there, you know, where

771
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,719
there was a willow species I remember seeing that grows

772
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,880
on serpentine that just looks not what. I forget this.

773
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,559
I forget where, I forget the species, but it was

774
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,239
like a dwarfed willow with like these fuzzy leaves and

775
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,360
everything that grows on those serpentine areas always tends to

776
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,760
have pubescents, like you know, hairs on it and like

777
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,039
a gloous color because the serpentine is hard for a

778
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,039
lot of shit to grow on, so it's more barren,

779
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,320
there's less shade, there's more sun exposure, and so that

780
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,599
kind of selects for you know, the drought tolerant traits

781
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,760
like you know, hairs on leaves or block color, blue coat,

782
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,599
toxic soil.

783
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah man, So we were going,

784
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:37,960
what were you when you were when you.

785
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: Were getting into like the the lilies. Where how did

786
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,519
that start?

787
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: It started with finding like Humboldt lilies.

788
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,039
Speaker 3: When I go to like the foothills, I'd see like

789
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,400
Lilliam Humboltiy HUMBOLTI eye like the one that's made it here.

790
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: And then I.

791
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,559
Speaker 3: Started like just noticing how cool they were because if

792
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,400
you look close, man, it's like they're so crazy, Like

793
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,519
Mariposa says, like, you walk past those if you're not

794
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,519
looking for because they're so small, but if you've looked

795
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,360
at all the fur, the colors, it's addicting. And then

796
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,320
my girlfriend started getting into it, and so now every

797
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,400
year early we're like, okay, Early springs is fertilaria time,

798
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,079
and then later in the year we'll look for some

799
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,199
super blooms and then it's gonna be maripos a time.

800
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just they're just my favorite I got.

801
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,559
Speaker 3: We were saying back there, there's like certain things like serpentine,

802
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,880
calichordis fritillaria, like when people.

803
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:28,119
Speaker 1: Talk about it, you can be like, Okay, this guy's

804
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:28,639
a planner.

805
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,119
Speaker 2: So you got But you started off like because I

806
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,719
remember when you were a lot of the stuff you

807
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
used the post it was all about like old growth redwoods,

808
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,239
you know, stuff like that. How did you, I guess

809
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,119
this is this is where I want to know more about,

810
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:43,719
like your personal backgroun. How did you get into all

811
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,199
this stuff?

812
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,639
Speaker 1: Just from going up at Humble.

813
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,199
Speaker 3: I was going to go to school up there, and

814
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,239
then we just started seeing the redwoods. The first place

815
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,559
I ever visited when I came to California, like, was

816
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
what's that tree.

817
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,679
Speaker 1: Called Chandler to the chandelier tree or Chandler tree, the

818
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,880
one the hole in it? And I remember being a kid,

819
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,039
everyone was like ella and joining me and I went

820
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,000
to my mom, why why how is this good?

821
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: Like, what's what's the shandelier. Oh like the what are

822
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,039
you talking about the was it a redwood or what?

823
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,039
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, sorry, it's an old girlth redwood. It's about

824
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,719
three thousand years old. It's fucking mashing, dude. But it

825
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,840
as a hole in it, and it kind of fucked

826
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,239
with me as a kid, and because I thought the

827
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,159
tree was so amazing that my mom was like explaining

828
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,320
how a bunch of them got cut and how they

829
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,760
did this for tourism, and then it made me just

830
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,639
obsessed with this. Old girls forests started with redwoods and

831
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:36,480
then it turned into oaks. What I like about the

832
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,119
Redwood forest is it's just like an extreme example of

833
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:42,719
how amazing nature could be. You got the tallest trees,

834
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,000
you got, it's just everything is amazing. Oh yeah, it's

835
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,480
you take someone.

836
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:49,199
Speaker 2: If you take someone who grew up in like the

837
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,199
suburbs of fucking Dallas or Atlanta, or like grew up

838
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,760
in you know, New York City or something, you're taken

839
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,320
to the Redwoods, it'll and just leave them there without

840
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,119
a bunch of fucking tourists around and just be like,

841
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,519
just spend the day here. You know, it'll knock them

842
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,480
on their ass eventually, there's no way it can't to

843
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,599
see these things that are that fucking massive and that

844
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,760
old and that tall.

845
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's nice, the cleanest air ever too. Man,

846
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,159
when you're breathing up there, it feels like the baler

847
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:17,719
like it feels so nice.

848
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the species diversity in a redwood forest is

849
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,639
not very high, but the things are so so huge,

850
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,920
so enormous, you know.

851
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was like. It was kind of

852
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,760
hard in the beginning. I was filming a lot of flowers,

853
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,199
and I like them, but I also loved the big tree.

854
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920
So like the redwood stuff was going very virale, so

855
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,159
I kept filming more redwoods. But like it's all about

856
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,480
for me, I get sad, Like when it's winter it

857
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,039
starts getting dark early, I start thinking about like sad things,

858
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,800
and so I usually will winter, I'll be like, Okay,

859
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,880
we're gonna go to the redwoods.

860
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna film some mushrooms and trees, and then when

861
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,119
stuff starts blooming again, we'll start heading back south to

862
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,039
like the valley, the foothills and stuff.

863
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: So what you said when you when you came to California?

864
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,760
When did you move to California?

865
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: And I think I was like, sorry, I was in

866
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,440
a commas. I was young.

867
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: You were, yeah, you were, but you were like a

868
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,159
young ass kid then, so you've been most of your

869
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:11,599
life there.

870
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, basically a calculator. I love it here, man.

871
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,199
I don't think I could. I actually I don't.

872
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:19,679
Speaker 3: Know if I could say I could leave because there's

873
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,679
so many issues, but the plants, the delta, I just

874
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,000
don't know how I could leave that.

875
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or I mean just public land in general, like

876
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,320
all the public land is out west, you know, until

877
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,960
they come and try and take it. Until there's like

878
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,800
some sleeve bag politicians and the you know, the people

879
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,159
that are dumb en have to vote for him enable

880
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:39,079
all the public land.

881
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: You know.

882
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 2: Let's hope that doesn't happen. But who knows, Man, it's

883
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,880
not due they got you know, that guy Mike Lee,

884
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,599
he's got a real heart on for I mean, all

885
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:49,760
these people do, these ship bags you know, that are

886
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,800
just their values are fucked, you know, and they're.

887
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,519
Speaker 1: About Steve Pierce part of a culture.

888
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,679
Speaker 2: That worships money and believes in you know, all the

889
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,400
all the weird evangelical shit these nuts believe, Yeah, fucking nuts, man,

890
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,719
God just straight up death cult ship. Now, who's Steve Pierce.

891
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: Oh, you haven't heard about Steve Pierce. He's like Mike

892
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,760
and Mike Lee's pick for the head of the Bureau

893
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,360
of Land Management. He's a piece of shit, dude. He's like,

894
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,000
I think he's worse than Mike Lee. Mike Lee.

895
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: The thing about Michael is a piece of shit, but

896
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,760
he's kind of open about it. Steve Pierce, it's like

897
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,719
spent his whole career trying to sell national parks. He

898
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,480
was a senator in New Mexico. He has videos online

899
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,440
where he explains the landowners how to sue the governent

900
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,519
over public lands and how you want to sue over

901
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,239
multiple things because you could be right, he said.

902
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: He clearly said you could be wrong about everything, but

903
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,760
if you're right about one thing, they have to pay

904
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,159
for it.

905
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,679
Speaker 2: God, I see this, Oh my god. These guys all

906
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,880
look the same. They all look like like walking thumbs.

907
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,239
You know, he's faulding in the middle and just fucking

908
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,079
three necks and you know, very pasty. These guys do

909
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:56,679
not spend a lot of time outside.

910
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: It looks like nope.

911
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: And the thing it's like Trump doesn't even hide it

912
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,239
He's like, he's nominating people that literally have spent their

913
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,719
entire career like trying to destroy the agency.

914
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: They're going to be the head up.

915
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everything, Yeah, everything's just openly corrupt and incompetent

916
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
and fucked right now. Yeah that's brutal man.

917
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,519
Speaker 1: And now they got the distraction, right, I know, now.

918
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,679
Speaker 2: They're starting World War three. So it's yeah, it's uh,

919
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
you know, it's as you get what you pay for.

920
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,960
I guess you know, you dumbed down the populace enough

921
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,760
to vote for this ship, and that's what you end

922
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,880
up with. But but the Mica thing is nuts, I mean,

923
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,519
and that pissed off a bunch of I mean yeah,

924
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,119
like I was saying, that pissed off a bunch of

925
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:41,679
you know, hunters and outdoorsmen too. I like that across

926
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,679
the political divide, you know, like the same thing with

927
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960
like the ATV people like I used to hate that ship.

928
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,199
You're you're somewhere in California and you hear there, you

929
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360
know that it sounds like a lawnmower engine. I'd be like,

930
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,559
fuck those motherfuckers. But then now I'm like, well, let's

931
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,800
try and indoctrinate them into you know, attention to cool

932
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,320
ship and get them on our side and you know

933
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,119
that kind of thing.

934
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Well, like with Kyte Creek, I don't think we would

935
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,559
have won without the off roaders, like the cal four wheel.

936
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,639
The lady that's ahead of there, Oh my goodness, she's

937
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,039
like one of those ladies you do not want to

938
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,199
fuck with. When she showed up there, she was talking

939
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,480
for like thirty minutes, just talking about violations. I was like, so, what.

940
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,199
Speaker 2: Happened with that? Where is that right now? Where's Coyote

941
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:23,519
Creek at right now? We didn't get to that.

942
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty much the SMUD left back out of

943
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,079
the deal after getting seed from the pressure, and they

944
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,480
were able to use the excuse because Kydie Creek as

945
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,400
the solar project. It's a New York based company from

946
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,800
Wall Street, so they're kind of pieces of shit, not

947
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,440
kind of fool the piece of shit. So they kept

948
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,199
asking for extensions and SMUD was able to use that

949
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:44,880
to back out.

950
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 1: But now the company's trying to talk to PG and

951
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,559
E or Marine County Power, so that's like the big

952
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,599
thing everyone to find customers. Yep. So like we've won

953
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,440
in the in sense that SMUT has backed out, but

954
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,480
they still have the permit, so they find a they're

955
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,119
gonna do it.

956
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,119
Speaker 2: Damn, I wish, wish it's just eminent domain. How many

957
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:05,599
acres is it?

958
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: Twenty seven hundred?

959
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not that's not even that much

960
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,480
when it comes down to it, like they should just

961
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,760
eminent domain as ass Seriously, I mean seriously, I don't

962
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,000
give a fuck, you know, like is it it's it's

963
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:18,679
just to come.

964
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.

965
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Whatever the dude is. You know, he doesn't respect the land.

966
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,119
That's a community asset. It's not a pioneer family. Get

967
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:29,480
the fuck out of here. The ship one hundred and

968
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,039
sixty years MAXI, we're here.

969
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: It's not shit. I ever got to tell you. So

970
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,320
the landowner when he went up there, I'll never forget

971
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,239
this ship because I laughed out loud and got in

972
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,880
trouble for doing it. But I think it's the head

973
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,920
of the commissioner as a dick. But the landowner went

974
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,599
up there and he's like, we are the original land managers.

975
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: And these people don't realize all these oaks are dying.

976
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,119
They're dying because they don't get enough fog.

977
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: And then I was like, sudden oak Mediterranean oak borer. Like,

978
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,159
these guys are talking out of their ass. Dude, they

979
00:43:59,159 --> 00:43:59,880
don't even know what that.

980
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: They don't know shit, man, some dude that doesn't even

981
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:04,519
value his land, you know. And then you know, no

982
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:06,920
offense to the Rednecks, but you hear I've heard so

983
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,199
many goofy things from like this, the redneck land, the

984
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,880
Redneck school of land management, right, I mean, it just depends.

985
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,480
It's sometimes people know what they're talking about. Of other

986
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:22,159
times they're completely illiterate, you know, whether they're calling native

987
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:26,760
species invasive or they're just oh, yeah, there's trade, well

988
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,519
not really clearing them would expose a lot more land

989
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,320
to sun and invasive species.

990
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: So and then you get the other side where like

991
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,719
humans are invasive and I'm like.

992
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stuff too, right, Yeah, people don't know what invasively.

993
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:42,719
They just think it means like they don't know what

994
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,440
it means in the field of ecology. They just think

995
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,920
it means aggressive. You know, like you're talking about like

996
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,559
an invasive tumor. It's like not, it doesn't mean that

997
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,719
there's actually like a specific term for it. Why don't

998
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,400
you go read about it? You have a fucking internet and.

999
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: Your species brought it.

1000
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,079
Speaker 3: It's all the funny, dude, those are the same people, like,

1001
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,360
I don't know since you're not like maybe not just

1002
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,159
in tune to like the California politics stuff. There's like

1003
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,239
a big battle in stokel I think Ventura where basically

1004
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,599
there there's a eucalyptus.

1005
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Growth where modern butterflies over winter on and.

1006
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: They're trying to slowly remove the eucalyptus and replace it

1007
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,440
with native species.

1008
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: And bro the locals are.

1009
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: That was going on the Oakland Hills too.

1010
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: Yup.

1011
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: The hippies would get really upset and then you try

1012
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,880
to explain to them, well, no, these aren't. The eucalyptus

1013
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,400
are cool where they're native. Here they're a real problem though,

1014
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,239
And this this is what it could be. Instead, it

1015
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,920
would be you know, California Bay Laurel and Madrone in

1016
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:46,280
Livo instead and a lot more rich biologically that area.

1017
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: My friend Michael, he works with like, I mean, what's

1018
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,159
that fire watch duty? I believe it's called, you know,

1019
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,400
like the app for fires And he did a video

1020
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,519
where this guy's he called the Lookout on YouTube.

1021
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: They drove around like.

1022
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: The Oakland Hills is talking about like fire danger, and

1023
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,440
like you could.

1024
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: Just see the anxiety on his face because he's just like, Bro,

1025
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,199
when this area catches on fire, these people are flogged. Yeah.

1026
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the winds too. That's the main thing, is

1027
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,079
the fire. What causes the fire danger is not just

1028
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,519
the iridity, but it's the winds. And anybody who lives

1029
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,119
in California knows that. But people that live and say

1030
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,440
like Tennessee or Florida, like they don't they don't grasp

1031
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:26,960
those when those Santa Ana winds especially pick up man

1032
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,199
and they're blowing horizontally and then if something catches fire,

1033
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,840
that fire blows horizontally instead of going up, and that's

1034
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,320
how it spread so quick yep.

1035
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,679
Speaker 1: And then you got all these houses built on top

1036
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,559
of chaparral or like right in front of it.

1037
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: And then it's just like we'll blame everyone other than

1038
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,079
their fucking developer. It's so annoying.

1039
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,679
Speaker 2: So where is the where was the blue gum eucalyptus

1040
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,639
clearing supposed to be?

1041
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:55,519
Speaker 3: You said, Ventura, Yeah, Ventura County. It's it's like it's

1042
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,400
just a small growth. I believe monarchs use it. Are

1043
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,840
they saying monarchs or could you it's one of those

1044
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,800
two because when I first heard about it, I still

1045
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,920
can't believe it. One of them hit me up on Instagram,

1046
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,440
They're like, hey, can you help us with this? And

1047
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,400
I was just like no, hell no.

1048
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1049
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 2: Did you explain to them like no, actually I don't

1050
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,159
like you don't you don't want there?

1051
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 1: What about? Yeah? There?

1052
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: Instead? They were they were or what.

1053
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Kind of They were still kind of like no, we

1054
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,360
think you're wrong. But then they kind of opened up

1055
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,239
a little bit when I.

1056
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: Started talking to them more about Okay, so you think

1057
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,880
the trees are super important, so what if instead of

1058
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,320
clear cutting them, we remove some then plant native and

1059
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,360
continue the process.

1060
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: And that's where I kind of opened their minds.

1061
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not just like a clear cut, you know,

1062
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:43,199
it's uh yeah, even though that would be one way

1063
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:46,360
to do it, it should you know, get them to

1064
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,519
relax a little bit. I think with a lot of people,

1065
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,880
that's all it takes. Is like they they might be

1066
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,039
good intentions, like the crazy cat people, in the same

1067
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,119
way they love animals well intention but they just don't

1068
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,000
have a basic ecological education. That's not their fault. It's

1069
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,639
our societies, right or not. Even just don't even call

1070
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,679
it ecological education, because that sounds too highbrowd for some people.

1071
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,760
Just call it knowing what the life around you is

1072
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,320
that evolved there, you know, not this bullshit that just

1073
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,599
ended up there as a mishmash after the dust settled,

1074
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:18,239
after Europeans came in and fucked everything up, Just you know,

1075
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,159
what was actually evolved there and selected for evolutionarily speaking,

1076
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,280
by the circumstances that define that place, like in the

1077
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,840
case of California, whether it's serpentine geology or you know,

1078
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,639
long dry summers or whatever, you know exactly, or the

1079
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:37,360
presence of certain native you know, insects that act as

1080
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,800
antagonists as pests on a plant species. But once you

1081
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,800
explain that to them, That's why I think it's so

1082
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,440
fucking important to educate people. Man, it really is, you know.

1083
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,360
And it's just getting people who may not be into

1084
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,239
this shit, who maybe you know, are really they're more

1085
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,519
into like playing call of duty in the basement, starting

1086
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,119
to get them, like pull them out of that a

1087
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,599
little bit without shitting on them, even though it's fucking

1088
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,840
thus or whatever, without shitting even pull them out of

1089
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,159
it a little bit and be like, look, man, look

1090
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,320
at this. Come sniff on this. This is actually pretty cool.

1091
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,840
The living world. You know, there's a there's a context here,

1092
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,480
right and and other shit. There's even spirituality there. Man,

1093
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,639
there's so much spirituality. I get so much out of

1094
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,800
you know, knowing what the life is around me, much

1095
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,400
more than I ever got when I was forced to

1096
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,719
go to fucking Catholic school or whatever the ship. You know,

1097
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,239
we used to go to Catholic school. We'd go, you know,

1098
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,000
we'd schedule a bunch of kids, they'll go to the

1099
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,119
bathroom at the same time that we'd you know, throw

1100
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,719
turn the lights off and just start throwing toilet paper

1101
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239
wadded up toilet paper at each other. Like what watts

1102
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,199
fucking this so fun? It was so fun.

1103
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Catholic school memories. Man, CCD.

1104
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: You didn't You didn't get You didn't go to Catholic school,

1105
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,440
did you?

1106
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: No?

1107
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: No, No, I was broke. I went to like the

1108
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,840
it was called Linebock. It's over on Mack Road in

1109
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,639
South Zukermina.

1110
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,079
Speaker 1: What was that?

1111
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: No, I mean we we we would do c CD

1112
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,480
one one week and night. We were like public school.

1113
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,760
But then there was like you know, forest and doctrination,

1114
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,320
like every Monday night we'd have CCD. It was like

1115
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,400
Catholic education.

1116
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,559
Speaker 4: It was fucking oh No.

1117
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: We didn't have that. We had like like the Dare

1118
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,119
stuff every week where they talk about drugs.

1119
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: And were you raised religious at all?

1120
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,559
Speaker 1: My grandma is religious, but my mom is not. She

1121
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:21,800
is more like spiritual, like nature. Yeah. I was lucky.

1122
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: My mom tried the Catholic thing and then gave up

1123
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,400
when I turned like ten or eleven. I think she

1124
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:27,719
just kind of veered away from it.

1125
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,079
Speaker 3: So my mom was more like, Okay, Graham to her mom, Yeah,

1126
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,000
I know you're religious, will baptize them and then it's

1127
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,039
pretty much done after that.

1128
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:36,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1129
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, replace all the religious indoctrination with nature education,

1130
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,920
you know for the kids.

1131
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nothing feels more spiritual than like the redwoods

1132
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,320
taking to the tall stream in the world or yeah,

1133
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,920
like damn, this feels spiritual. Shit. Yeah.

1134
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,679
Speaker 2: And when you take people out of that and they

1135
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,559
have no context for it, and all they know is

1136
00:50:56,639 --> 00:51:01,079
like the strip mall and the fucking highway and then

1137
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,559
the could detects they live in like that, that fucks

1138
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,960
people up. Man. Then they don't they're not aware of it,

1139
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,840
but it fucks them up. That's all you know is

1140
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,119
the human world. It's bleak.

1141
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: That's what fucked with me. From like socaw I like

1142
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,800
when we would drive on the froway to go to

1143
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:18,840
like uh To ante Brago or Joshua Tree. It drives

1144
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,360
through this area.

1145
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: I believe it was in San Diego County where they

1146
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,800
had like the most beautiful nowas you would ever see,

1147
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,840
and then right in front of it there's a fucking

1148
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,280
home depot in a Walmart.

1149
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,119
Speaker 1: It would fuck with me every time. Dude.

1150
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,519
Speaker 2: The United States, the United States commercial landscape, like the

1151
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,760
consumer landscape here, I think is one of the bleakest

1152
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:44,800
human landscapes it's ever been created anywhere. It's just I mean,

1153
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,400
especially just the fucking parking lot too, Like these parking

1154
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,639
lots with dying horticultural atrocity landscaping, you know, non native bullshit.

1155
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: You get a lot of crape.

1156
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:58,039
Speaker 2: Myrtles out there, Jesse, Oh my god, dude, really spot

1157
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,840
with dry summers, with mediterrane in climate, with dry fucking summers,

1158
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:09,320
they're planting crate myrtles everywhere. Everything put in an irrigation system.

1159
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,679
Speaker 1: And what I hate about them is if you chop

1160
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,199
them down.

1161
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: They do this weird ship and they start like bushing

1162
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,599
out on the bottom.

1163
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: It's so oh yeah, they just very spray. Yeah they'll

1164
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,360
eventually they'll die. If you go back every week and

1165
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,480
can kill those like you eventually exhaust the food reserves

1166
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,760
of the trunk. But that's why you need the teen vandals.

1167
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,719
Is somebody calling the teen vand get in the teen vandals.

1168
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,960
You need vandals. You're right, because vandalism is fun when

1169
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,880
you're a kid. You can get away with it. But

1170
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,400
you just got a direct directed at the correct targets, right,

1171
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,400
crate myrtles and public landscaping exactly.

1172
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: And don't be so scared of spray. That's the other

1173
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,280
lesson I learned from messing with them. It's like, yeah,

1174
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,880
you could be scared and hate spray, but yeah, anyway,

1175
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,760
I only use glyc estate sometimes, but also use like

1176
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,639
that paint. I'm not sure if it's life to say,

1177
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,679
but it's like a stump killer cho It paints at

1178
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,639
top of the stunt. Yeah, and that shit saves my

1179
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:05,639
life and it doesn't kill anything because when I come back,

1180
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:06,440
there's all the ship grown.

1181
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: It gets absorbed, It gets absorbed by the flowing by

1182
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,599
the vascular ring and then yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

1183
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,320
the thing the pushback about herbicide, it's like it's one

1184
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,000
of those things too, where it's like it's well intentioned,

1185
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:21,360
it's about spraying herbicide lazily and wantonly on things that

1186
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,199
could be removed easily, or especially spraying it on crops.

1187
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:31,599
That's absolutely fucked right. Using it for invasive removal. It's like, man, okay,

1188
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,280
well let's look at what happens when we don't do it.

1189
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,280
You know, this ship takes over and it's brutal.

1190
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 3: All the people who are like so against it for

1191
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,760
restoration should all be forced to like get helicopter dropped

1192
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,159
into like a forest of privet.

1193
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scotch, how bad is the what's the worst? What's

1194
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,440
the worst invasives you see when you're when you're gallivanting

1195
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,400
around California.

1196
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: Look, that's gonna be such a hard one to pick

1197
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,599
because I want to say, I mean Malay and BlackBerry,

1198
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:03,679
but there's so many others too. Yeah, that's a boat

1199
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,320
in fair Oaks, So my area of fair Oaks along

1200
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:16,800
the river, fucking privets everywhere, Prisa, Well, they take over

1201
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,679
the ripa the river. Yeah, it's really bad.

1202
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: God, it's and it's it's so infuriating too to think that,

1203
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,000
like the reason that's here is because some knob who

1204
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,280
didn't know any better just put it in his landscaping

1205
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,960
and you know, thinking it would be, oh, it's an

1206
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,960
attractive bush. It's I just need it. I just need

1207
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,920
a landscaper to come by. I need some bushes, and

1208
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,639
that's just what you get. You just got a home

1209
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,079
home desk, but you just got to the big box

1210
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,280
store and that's what we have. There's no thought behind it,

1211
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,280
there's no like, man, you're actually you're you're planting something

1212
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,119
that's going to fuck up the entire right parian area

1213
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:49,119
behind your house and and lead to the declines of

1214
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,800
all the cool native plants that native insects and vertebrates need.

1215
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just ridiculous.

1216
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: I'll never understand it because, like I just like, honestly speaking,

1217
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,800
they're ugly as fuck, So like I for any of it.

1218
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,199
Speaker 2: It's like basic bitch landscaping. That's what I call it.

1219
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,960
You know, It's like it's like the ship you see

1220
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,880
planted in front of the fucking Wells Fargo. Really you

1221
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,800
couldn't do, you know, it's planted by landscapers that don't

1222
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,679
actually spend time in nature, they don't spend time in

1223
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,400
the living world.

1224
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: They just you know, I went.

1225
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,599
Speaker 2: To landscaping school. I'm a master gardener.

1226
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Fucking man. That was like this one of my fans.

1227
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: I have a gorilla garden where I plant a lot

1228
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,800
of native plants by the freeway entrance on fifty and

1229
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,679
they were trying.

1230
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,079
Speaker 1: To help out. I guess they planted a bunch of

1231
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:37,280
lavender plants and I got kissed. That's not I mean,

1232
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,599
it is. It's lame.

1233
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: It's like Hallmark, you know, greeting card diarrhea, but lavender

1234
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
at least it's lavender is not invasive out there, is it.

1235
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,599
It's just no, Yeah, it's just kind of.

1236
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: Like like I prefer my poppies. I had like poppies

1237
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:55,519
birds eye, Gillia, blue head, yeah, popping off.

1238
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1239
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 2: See that's the thing where like, you know, this is

1240
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,880
another thing. Before I like got I would have been

1241
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,679
a dick about it. And I'm still kind of an asshole,

1242
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,360
but not as much as I used to be. But

1243
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:05,960
now I would be like, hey, man, you know what

1244
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,360
you get into We have some native members of that

1245
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,280
same family that lavender's and it's actually got a place here,

1246
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,920
and Lavender, I know you mean, well, but this may

1247
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,280
not this is not the best thing. And by the way,

1248
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,480
I'm gonna rip it out anyway, but you know, but

1249
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,440
you know how about this and then take the time

1250
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,039
to show because a lot of people just don't know,

1251
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:25,960
you know, where everybody's indoctrinated into the same bullshit in

1252
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,360
this society, you know, worshiping money, wanting stupid shit, trying

1253
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,960
to impress people with what you own, and that kind

1254
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,559
of lame shit. No one, you know, so few people

1255
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,760
are raised with any context for the living world.

1256
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: Around them, So it's so weird.

1257
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: I got more sympathy for it now than I used

1258
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,760
to get, you know, vitriol.

1259
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 3: But I used to snap easier, but now I'm a

1260
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,079
lot more calmer with that doing. I'm sure it's the

1261
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,480
same with you doing like social media stuff. Like for me,

1262
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,880
I used to get so annoyed with the comments and stuff,

1263
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,960
and then like one day after like I did it

1264
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,599
for like a year, I just I woke up and

1265
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:01,880
I was like, I don't give a fuck anymore.

1266
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.

1267
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've responded, Really, I see some of your responses

1268
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,239
to comments, and they're they're so chill, like so much

1269
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,239
more than I would be. And it's a commend you

1270
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,280
for that because I think that's that's how you slowly

1271
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,760
like turn people, you know.

1272
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like I feel like I have a

1273
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,599
responsibility because from talking shit about like Gavin Newsom, PG

1274
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,480
you all these things, I've gotten like a good amount

1275
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,840
of Republican followers that will like hit me up and

1276
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,559
be like yeah, I don't agree, Like they'll say funny

1277
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,119
shit like I don't like that you hate on Trump,

1278
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:32,519
but I trust you because you hate Gavin Newsom and

1279
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:34,119
it makes me laughed.

1280
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, hey man, whatever, whatever you

1281
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,559
need me to tell you to get you to start

1282
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,599
paying attention to plants around you. You know, so tribal

1283
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,960
s hyeah, it is tribal. It's fucking way. But that's

1284
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,599
what humans do. You know, we're crazy Chimps were always tribal.

1285
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,760
We find a way to be tribal about anything.

1286
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1287
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: Once the group site gets too big, the group splits

1288
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,440
and then how they start fighting with each other. But

1289
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:57,719
I just none of this ship should be political anyway,

1290
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,760
you know. I think, like, like the climate change never

1291
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,039
should have been pro political. It's just an issue. It's

1292
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,280
a problem we have to try and face and fix

1293
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,199
and yah.

1294
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,119
Speaker 1: But the you know those looking back people.

1295
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: People just put propaganda, you know, the people who have

1296
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,119
an interest in doing some make it political so that

1297
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:18,159
it becomes something that Yeah, that's just easy to sway

1298
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:19,280
public opinion about.

1299
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could have done the climate change things so

1300
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,880
much better, like looking back on it, like how the

1301
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,039
whole thing would starts.

1302
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it shit happens.

1303
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,119
Speaker 3: I guess we shouldn't have put all our baskets in

1304
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:31,719
al Gore.

1305
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just I mean, well the oil companies though,

1306
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,119
are so they were so good that just they still Yeah,

1307
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:43,880
it pumping the propaganda out there in the doubt, but

1308
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,079
it's you know, so I don't want late now.

1309
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1310
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: I still wonder if there's ever you know, like there's

1311
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,880
emails from like the seventies, I believe, I like big

1312
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,960
oil knitting they do about climate change. I always wonder

1313
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,920
if there's going to be like a big tobacco moment,

1314
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,079
you know, like big Tobacco to go to Congress and

1315
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:01,639
they got hell of trouble and ship Like I'm like,

1316
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:03,519
where's that we already know they lie.

1317
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you mean for yeah, for the oil companies. Yeah,

1318
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:11,360
maybe at some point, not anytime soon, not with the administration,

1319
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:15,800
but but yeah, man, have you seen him? You were

1320
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,360
you saw the fermonodendron right the the Pine Hill one. Yep, yeah,

1321
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,079
I remember going there and that got the guy that

1322
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:24,880
lives down there was always a pain in the ass.

1323
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I'm with the same guy. He's he's

1324
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:29,440
a doctor.

1325
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:31,639
Speaker 2: He's like some he's got to be old as fuck now.

1326
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,159
But he was always and he was always upset like

1327
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,320
that people were going to He didn't own the land.

1328
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,199
He just was next to him. He was always upset

1329
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,800
that people were going to go look at that plant.

1330
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,320
And it was just like the definition of a busy body.

1331
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,840
He's like, why do you care? Man, It doesn't affect you.

1332
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,800
There's people, there's kids that want to learn about this

1333
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,159
really cool thing. Why don't you like help, you know,

1334
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,440
invite them in. You get to know him, not invite

1335
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,400
him into your house, but like, you know, talk to

1336
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,039
him and then go up there look at the plants

1337
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,239
with them, and then you can feel out whether there's

1338
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,280
someone to worry about out or not. And you know,

1339
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,000
if they're there to look at plants, they're probably not

1340
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:03,880
someone to worry about.

1341
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, seriously that habitat.

1342
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: I'm glad you go over there because that's like one

1343
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,480
of my favorites.

1344
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: Fine Hill, I love that spot.

1345
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy would always he and I would always

1346
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,920
get into it and I tell them to go fuck himself,

1347
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,400
and he'd tell me he's gonna call the sheriff and

1348
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:17,800
be like, go ahead and do it. I don't give

1349
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,440
a fuck, you know, we just fight. But that was

1350
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,760
It's such an epic spot though. There's so much cool

1351
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,199
ship up there. Did you go all the way to

1352
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:25,840
the top or were you on the sides or what?

1353
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:28,559
Speaker 3: I went to the top one time and there's I'll

1354
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,440
send you the exact location because it's kind of hard

1355
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,679
to described. But I found another one where it was

1356
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,679
at there's a area by Cameron Park that you pull

1357
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,719
over on the side of the road and you climb

1358
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,039
up this hill and then you get to another access

1359
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:40,599
point to it.

1360
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: And we also found a bunch of hybrids of it

1361
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,079
was Calcortas alvis uh hybridized with the yellow Star tulips,

1362
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:53,440
and I was like, what's wild. Yeah, that whole habitat

1363
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,039
is a fucking mind fuck.

1364
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: It's so cool when you so, do you do you

1365
01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:00,239
get because you've got a lot of people that you

1366
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,119
know when you were do you get I mean have

1367
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:03,840
you do you think you've turned a lot of people

1368
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,840
onto this stuff and paying attention.

1369
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: To the yeah, oh yeah, so many. And the other

1370
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,000
cool thing about it is I get like a lot

1371
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,159
of like younger people, Like I'll get like messages from

1372
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:16,719
like people look like they're like it's seventh grade, eighth grade.

1373
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,639
Speaker 1: They'll send me a video they're like, dude, look at

1374
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,039
the native plants. I found this ship's gangster.

1375
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's cool, man. I think for kids, like

1376
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,280
for younger people. When I say kids, I mean like

1377
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,559
a twenty year old's a kid to me. But especially

1378
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,400
for younger people, I think it's easy because you know,

1379
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,159
this has been such a like botany and ecology have

1380
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,000
been they've either been academia or it's been old people.

1381
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:40,480
No offense to the old people. You know, that formed

1382
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,480
a major the major demographic that was into this, and

1383
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,039
and now it's there's more younger people getting into it.

1384
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,039
And I don't see this so much in other countries

1385
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,880
to the extent that I see in the United States,

1386
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,400
but I think especially for younger people, like the world

1387
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,719
is so fucked, like it's so undeniably fucking you know it,

1388
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,280
And this is such a that's an antidote, you know.

1389
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,519
Speaker 1: And it's a good way to help like climate doom too.

1390
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:05,960
Like if when you talk to people.

1391
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,599
Speaker 3: There like I feel so hopeless, I don't know what

1392
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,119
to do. I'm like, well, if you killed your lawn

1393
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:12,079
or just planning some flowers there, it will.

1394
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: Make you feel a lot better and you all should

1395
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,639
be helping things. Yeah, and people want to.

1396
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: Help any of the native shrubs. Just I mean, you're

1397
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,480
doing something by learning about it. If you know someone's

1398
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,039
like I don't know what to do, it's just go

1399
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,599
go go out into nature and ask questions and ask, well,

1400
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:27,320
you know, what is this? What am I looking at?

1401
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,239
Why does it grow here? Why does the flower look

1402
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,440
like this? What pollinates it?

1403
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: What is it?

1404
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,039
Speaker 2: You start piecing together these different relationships that compose the

1405
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,119
ecosystem around you, that evolved there over millions of years.

1406
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:41,239
It's really fascinating stuff. It fills the philosophical void within yourself,

1407
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,960
and it's that's a way to you know, show respect

1408
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,119
back to the land, you care about it, and then

1409
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:47,639
you can get other people hype on it. I mean

1410
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:49,079
that right, there is something to do.

1411
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:50,159
Speaker 1: Yep.

1412
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: I agree, yeah, the hopeless.

1413
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,239
Speaker 2: Because people will write me and they're like, I feel

1414
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:56,880
so hopeless, and I'm like, man, you got to have

1415
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,800
some perspective, like humanity is always humanity. He's always been

1416
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,360
a fucking mess, right, So the history is littered with

1417
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,599
mass graves and terrible things that happen. The granted, the

1418
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,000
scale is much bigger now now there's eight billion of us,

1419
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,480
but you know, things have always been dark. I mean,

1420
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:14,800
this isn't as bad as the you know that dark

1421
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,519
Day at sixty six million years ago where a comet

1422
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,559
knocked out all of life, you know, for stuff doubt terrestrial,

1423
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,119
you know, seventy percent of terrestrial life for a few

1424
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:25,800
million years.

1425
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1426
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's just that, you know, I have

1427
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,360
some context. I always tell them, learn the geologic timescale, right,

1428
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,920
like the different events that happened on it. But it'll

1429
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,639
come and go and we'll be gone at some point,

1430
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,199
or maybe we won't. Maybe we'll learn and get better,

1431
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,639
but who knows, man, I don't know. I mean, it's

1432
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,400
it's it's the process of living and being here and

1433
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,599
observing all this shit is fun. It doesn't doesn't need

1434
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,679
to be this this hopeless feeling, you know, I don't

1435
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:54,639
know it's I mean again, I don't know. I don't

1436
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:58,599
know people's what their mind state is or or what

1437
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,840
their thought train is. But uh, it doesn't need to

1438
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,320
be as bleak as it sounds, you know.

1439
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for like people like us too, like

1440
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,039
where that were like hell into like addiction at a

1441
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,079
point of time, it's really hard to feel like super

1442
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,440
team because I always, at least for me, I'll like

1443
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:14,880
think about like rock Bottom how I was, and I'm like, damn,

1444
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,199
sh it really doesn't prove.

1445
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. Yeah, like you try,

1446
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:19,320
you can help you.

1447
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. It could be a lot worse,

1448
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,960
a lot worse. You could be totally lying to yourself

1449
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,599
and denying to take responsibility for your own actions and

1450
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:32,320
addicted to some you know, lame substance and whatever.

1451
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, spending your whole day looking for something so

1452
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,880
you don't feel sick all day like shit like that,

1453
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:38,239
Like I'm so over that.

1454
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, So what do you what are your

1455
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:42,880
plans for the next few months.

1456
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: Flowers. I want to go just look for a hell

1457
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,440
of flowers. And I want to go to head Hatchy

1458
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:49,480
and so I.

1459
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,079
Speaker 3: Love that area being a serpentine there's actually like a

1460
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:55,480
random serpentine outcrop on between, like right before you get

1461
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,480
to hetch Hetchy, and it's insane. There's so many Clarkias

1462
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:01,239
and serpentine sunflower.

1463
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: It's just insane. You know what's cool?

1464
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,119
Speaker 2: Have you been to Ione before?

1465
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I like over by Branchia Marietta. Uh, I've not.

1466
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,679
Speaker 2: I think it's I forget what county it is, but

1467
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,320
there's a cool Arctostaphalos that grows there. And it's another

1468
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,400
weird soil type. There's these Uh it's ladderite soil, which

1469
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,039
is like very iron rich. It's a fucking bizarre substrate.

1470
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,559
There's Arctostaphlos myrdifolia there. I think that's the name of it.

1471
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 4: I haven't.

1472
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,679
Speaker 2: It's been years. Man again my California butt and he's

1473
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:36,440
a little a little rusty. But uh, but it's not

1474
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,159
just another one of these areas. It's geologically very interesting.

1475
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:45,039
And it's Sierra Nevada foothills a little ways east of

1476
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:47,440
Sacramento and maybe a little bit south and there's a

1477
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,760
bunch of rare plants there.

1478
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about.

1479
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:52,559
Speaker 4: Now.

1480
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: I've never been over there, but I think I know

1481
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:55,119
exactly what you're talking about.

1482
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's ghost pines everywhere, and it's you know,

1483
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,559
the soil looks fucking rough man. It's crazy. When I

1484
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:01,840
used to when I worked for the railroad and I

1485
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,519
would get sent to Roseville, you know, for a few

1486
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,719
days if my days off I did. It's like one

1487
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,480
of the places I would go to is I own.

1488
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: I have to check that out because I've never looked

1489
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,119
around over there, but I try past that area a lot.

1490
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,159
I spent a lot of time.

1491
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: Like the road do you use over there is the

1492
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,239
same road you used to go to, like Calveras County

1493
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,719
and stuff, just a different direction.

1494
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me find it. My iis fucking up,

1495
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:29,840
but U But there was a you know, it's one

1496
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,719
of those spots, like anything you go look at for

1497
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,079
some rare species and then there's a whole bunch of

1498
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,840
other cool stuff there as well.

1499
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,159
Speaker 1: Can you find some rare milkweed in the serpentine as well? Yeah?

1500
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: That was a Sclepias solana Juana, that's the Serpentine Valley.

1501
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,239
That thing's fucking nuts man. That's a really bizarre The

1502
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,239
spot I saw it at was in Napa County, but

1503
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,400
it goes all the way up into Trinity. It's mostly

1504
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,280
the Northern Coast Ranges. But it's like a prostrate milk weed.

1505
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,320
It stays pretty close to the ground. It's got fuzzy

1506
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,639
blue leaves, Like the leaves are like this beautiful aquamarine blue,

1507
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,000
and then the flowers just look fucking insane. And I'm

1508
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:12,039
surprised nobody's growing that. I don't think anybody is growing

1509
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:15,320
that a scleepy as Solana wanna, Yeah.

1510
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: We don't need serpentine to grow home or can you

1511
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:17,119
grow it?

1512
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:20,239
Speaker 2: Just like can kind of a lot of that serpentine

1513
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:24,880
stuff doesn't need serpentine. It just it's evolved tolerance to serpentine.

1514
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:26,320
I think it is the way it works with a

1515
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,119
lot of endemic you know, uh edaphic endemics, like plants

1516
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:34,440
that are specialized on certain geologies, like whether it's sand

1517
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:37,519
or gypsum or whatever, like, they can just tolerate it

1518
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:41,079
and other plants can't, and so they're able to grow there.

1519
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,000
But then what they end up not being able to

1520
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,920
tolerate is competition, like getting shaded or crowded out from

1521
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,679
other plants, and so yeah.

1522
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:51,119
Speaker 3: And they don't have to worry about that on the

1523
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:52,840
serpentine at least, So it's chilling.

1524
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could just take because you know, you're

1525
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,320
growing on serpentine, you're not going to get very big.

1526
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,880
That's why serpentine plants, even the ones that can tolerate it,

1527
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,199
always look kind of fucked up in scraggly and dwarfed,

1528
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,719
you know. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not I thought I

1529
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,920
had I thought I had photos from maybe I never

1530
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,679
made Oh you know what, I wasn't using I neat

1531
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,599
back then when I saw you weps. No, So I

1532
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:14,079
didn't put a record up.

1533
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,119
Speaker 1: Bummer you should, man, because I think it's probably rare,

1534
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:18,159
isn't it rare? Shit?

1535
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super rare. And they were getting fucked up

1536
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:26,079
by some introduced pathogen. I think it was a Pytoptera species,

1537
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,439
another Fytoptera, you know, and algae that became parasitic. Let

1538
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,600
me see if I pipe in, I oon. Yeah, it

1539
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,039
was such a cool spot. There used to be this

1540
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:44,119
website called biohere dot org that yeah, there it is okay.

1541
01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:46,520
February sixth, twenty eighteen. It was really the last time

1542
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,479
I was there. It was called biohere dot org, and

1543
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,199
it was a list of all these incredible spots in

1544
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,199
northern California. There was one right off I think it

1545
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,359
was near Vacaville, right, because you think of thatall you

1546
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,640
think of like car dealerships and billboards and shit.

1547
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, but there was this old.

1548
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,359
Speaker 2: Travertine spring on the north side of A eight in Vacaville,

1549
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:14,920
And you said, biohere, yeah dot Oregon. I think it's

1550
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,119
long gone, but it had a list of all these

1551
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,359
spots and interesting things about them. I wonder if it's

1552
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:23,680
on if it's on archive dot PhH, that would be

1553
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,039
fucking sor. Yeah, there was this travertine spring man and

1554
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:30,640
it was you could you were totally trespassing going there.

1555
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,039
But there was like this pit in the ground and

1556
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:36,399
there was an old, like nineteen fifties Chevy pickup truck

1557
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,920
with a fucking uh live oak growing up through the

1558
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,359
center of it and like popping out of the windshield

1559
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,359
and the whole thing was rusted. It was the coolest

1560
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,039
fucking area. It's probably gone now. Someone probably bought it

1561
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:52,600
and turned into something whack. But yeah, but damn it

1562
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,520
was so fucking Let me see if I can find it. Yeah,

1563
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,119
it went offline one day biohere dot org and it

1564
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,119
had and I had descriptions of all the species that

1565
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:06,199
could be found there, plant and animal, and yeah, it

1566
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,159
was a really cool resource. Man, let me see where

1567
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:13,199
the fuck this is. I can't find it, but yeah,

1568
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:14,720
that area has got some cool stuff.

1569
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: Man.

1570
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,039
Speaker 2: That whole area I used to get called there for

1571
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:21,640
railroad japs, like between Sacramento and uh Ballejo.

1572
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that area. I actually go like, have you been

1573
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,439
to Rockville Hills Park over there?

1574
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,399
Speaker 2: No, where's that it?

1575
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:34,039
Speaker 3: It's I think it's considered Fairfield. It's basically like Vacaville

1576
01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:37,079
in between both of them. It's like this random ass

1577
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:41,119
like city park that has biodiversity for fucking days. Dude,

1578
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:45,560
has like old lava caps and crazy geology and so

1579
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,800
you get like vernal pools, fritillaria, Calicoria's blue dicks.

1580
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff.

1581
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, god man, there was. Have you have you spent

1582
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,119
any time in reading There's some really cool That's.

1583
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,399
Speaker 1: The one area I haven't I want to though so bad.

1584
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should go up to Redding and in the

1585
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,359
Dun's mirror weed area and all that, there's there's cool

1586
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:08,399
go go check out like Baker Cyprus, a timbered crater

1587
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,359
that's a fucking you could take a civic out there.

1588
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:12,079
I took a civic out there fifteen years.

1589
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,399
Speaker 1: All day.

1590
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,239
Speaker 2: It's all lava and there's there's lava caves everywhere, and

1591
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,279
you can see areas where, like the Lot, you could

1592
01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,960
tell the ground you're standing on was like molten at

1593
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,359
one point and then just cracked and like cooled in

1594
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:26,520
this like bans you know, and kind of caved in.

1595
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,079
But it still looks like you're standing on caved in putty.

1596
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:32,079
Speaker 4: It's fucking weird, insane.

1597
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, bio here is long gone, but there's my photos

1598
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:36,279
from Ion.

1599
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1600
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: God, it's such a dope habitat. Yeah. Yeah, this man's

1601
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,199
the need. It gets like two feet tall and grows

1602
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:45,880
on this fucked up soil, like really iron rich, bizarre soil.

1603
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,239
Speaker 1: But that's insane. I would have never thought of Ion

1604
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:52,760
having like such epic plant communities, So I'm definitely gonna

1605
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,520
have to check that out.

1606
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well this, you know, California's got so much

1607
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,239
public land, thank god, cause you find Yeah, I remember

1608
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,439
my dogs we got locked There was this spot we

1609
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,279
used to go to access it and I got locked

1610
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,199
in there one day because I think it was a

1611
01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:11,039
mine nearby or something or some sort of quarry. And

1612
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:13,439
so that after that, that's when I learned to keep

1613
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,880
bolt cutters in my truck. You know, Yes, that's I

1614
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,520
learn you got locked in some places before?

1615
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: What Yeah, I won't say an exact trail, but it's

1616
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,680
over by Fulesome, like there's a there's some chopper all

1617
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,159
over there. I got locked in before.

1618
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:29,399
Speaker 2: Damn.

1619
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: It's such a dick.

1620
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,359
Speaker 2: I want to to lock those doors. Like if someone's

1621
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:34,800
trying to be a dick too, because they got to

1622
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,439
know your cars, they're just being well, fuck you, but

1623
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,720
they got an angle grinder in the truck, so you're fucked.

1624
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,520
Speaker 1: It's just funny because like you can't get a ticket

1625
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,920
because I'm not doing anything like truly illegal, but they

1626
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,520
still lock you in there. Yeah.

1627
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're just trying to be a dick.

1628
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:59,680
You know, call to get your way out. Yeah, man,

1629
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:01,920
are you gonna go to the desert. There's a bunch

1630
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,720
of there's a bunch of stuff going off in uh

1631
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:05,039
my hobby right now.

1632
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: I know I should have went to Death Valley. That

1633
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:10,199
was the one spot I didn't check out. It looks

1634
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:15,000
like it's going off right now. You gotta go see funeral.

1635
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 2: Funeral Mountain stage.

1636
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to see, didn't Sheriff Wood. He was

1637
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,399
just looking at the Which one was the Death Valley?

1638
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:24,439
Is that the one you're talking about?

1639
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1640
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: So a few nar Yeah, but it grows down into

1641
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,159
the the uh like Bristol Mountains too, and like the

1642
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,000
where else what's the other could couldiz area and ship

1643
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,920
there's you know, there's like random patches of limestone where

1644
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,840
there's disjunct populations. But it's such a that's such a

1645
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,399
cool plant man, And he was he I think he

1646
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:50,560
discovered some new species of buck of true but yeah, yeah,

1647
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,880
something that like evolved perfect crypsis because that's a wooly

1648
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:56,760
like a white wooly ass sage. You know, it's a

1649
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,000
really that's one of the cool so.

1650
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: Many hairs and tri combes and so yeah, it's so

1651
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:01,680
cool looking.

1652
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: And this bug just blends in perfectly and then parasitizes

1653
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,600
the thing too, like it feeds on on this selvia.

1654
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,159
So and he couldn't find any. He finds crazy stuff

1655
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,560
all the time. He just he just he just described

1656
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,840
the new plant speech. He's a new Xylo riza that

1657
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,119
he found in the panaments. I think it's Xylo Risa

1658
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:22,079
PanAm intensis.

1659
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

1660
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got Bruce Baldwin to help him describe it,

1661
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,039
and it's fucking nuts, new spec But he just goes.

1662
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:33,960
He goes everywhere that people don't. I mean, he's you know,

1663
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,239
he's spent the last fifteen years of his life doing

1664
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:38,479
these long distance hikes in the middle of nowhere. He

1665
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,399
just did the Bibbum Yep track in Western Australia. And

1666
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,359
so he'll go in Death Valley and he'll I mean

1667
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:48,119
he'll literally look at an eye naturalist map of observations

1668
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,000
of where stuff's been recorded and see, oh, while no

1669
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:53,840
one's no one's been there, there's a blank area, there's

1670
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,239
there's no high naturalist observations from that area. I'm gonna

1671
01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:58,560
go there and he'll just go hike over and see

1672
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,199
what's there. He's found so much wild ship.

1673
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1674
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,119
Speaker 2: I think there's two other monkey flower species he found

1675
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,159
that weren't described yet, that were new to science. Yeah,

1676
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,800
really nice humble guy too. Really have you re met

1677
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:12,279
him before?

1678
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: No? No?

1679
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really sometimes yeah, No, he's yeah, he's cool,

1680
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,520
he's a Yeah. We went to Chile together, and where

1681
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,399
the fuck else? Have we been to? A few places?

1682
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: Oh?

1683
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tasmania?

1684
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I want to Tasmania is so bad.

1685
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:32,199
Speaker 2: He's fun to travel with. Yeah, Tasmania is nuts. It's

1686
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:36,640
i mean, just a tree, just old old plant lineages

1687
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,920
in temperate rainforest, you know.

1688
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it look it feels like a humble two point zero,

1689
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,399
like the trees with all the fog.

1690
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and some of those some of the plants there,

1691
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:50,800
I mean there's there's fossil pollen of them on you know,

1692
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,920
Antarctica from when Tasmanian Antarctica and you know a few

1693
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,800
other condents were all connected. It's it's just crazy to

1694
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,600
think about. Yeah, you really feel like you're at the

1695
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,000
end the edge of the world down there, you know,

1696
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:06,720
like remnants of Gondwana.

1697
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love it. I've never been. I need

1698
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,560
to start traveling. You're lucky that you go like outside

1699
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,479
of America and look at shit, that's where I wanted

1700
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,039
to so bad.

1701
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: I had this fucking hunger for it, Like you know,

1702
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:22,119
I've had a hunger for that forever. Like that's what.

1703
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:24,319
I just want to see everything. I want to see

1704
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:27,359
what's out there and learn, you know, Like I don't

1705
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,640
care about traveling to see culture and cities and all

1706
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,840
that shit. I don't care. I'll go to some museums

1707
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,399
and stuff whatever, but like, you know, I want to

1708
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,880
see the plants. That's fuck the people. I want to

1709
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,880
see the plants the most, you know.

1710
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:44,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because so many people do the opposite,

1711
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,960
and I'll never understand that mindset and the way I

1712
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,359
look at it.

1713
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:50,279
Speaker 2: The plants have been there a lot longer, and that's

1714
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:53,039
what's really interesting to me. There's just so much more

1715
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:56,720
context for like the wild plants, you know how they've

1716
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,800
they've literally been built and shaped by the landscape that

1717
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,359
grow in be a natural selection.

1718
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,159
Speaker 3: So yeah, I always get people asking me like, well,

1719
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:06,199
don't you want to grow them all that?

1720
01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: Don't you want to grow all the deadly is don't

1721
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,039
you want to do this? I'm like, not, bitch, I

1722
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:11,239
want to go see him in the wild. Yeah, that's

1723
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:12,039
what I want to do.

1724
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like yeah, man, I'm not going to

1725
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:17,039
try to grow something that's like I'll post I'll post

1726
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:20,239
stuff like cool native plants that grow in South Texas

1727
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:22,239
and someone hits me up from southern California. They're like,

1728
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:24,439
would that grow out here? And I'm like, I don't know, maybe,

1729
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,159
probably not. It's not hot enough out there and it's

1730
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:28,960
a little more humid here. But you've got your own

1731
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,960
cast of cool natives that are related to this thing

1732
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,880
that are out there. You know, you should get into those,

1733
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,279
you know. And then they're kind of like, oh, yeah,

1734
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:39,439
I never thought about that, you know. And then maybe

1735
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:40,840
I'll hear from them like a year or two later

1736
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,720
and they're like, man, I got into all this, you know,

1737
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,039
it's so cool, like all this shit that I I

1738
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:49,000
am learning about now. So yeah, but that's what, you know,

1739
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:52,479
I blame that's what. That's what like modern horticulture teaches us, right,

1740
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,000
like just grow plants whatever's interesting to you, and like, yeah, okay, cool,

1741
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:02,000
But like also what about like having understanding for your

1742
01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:04,880
own ecosystem, right and wanting to know what grows there?

1743
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,880
And like why try to get a square peg to

1744
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,039
fit in around hole? Why try to get a plant

1745
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:13,880
from South Texas to grow in uh, Southern California. If

1746
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,920
it's like if it's like a cool cactus species here

1747
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,279
in do I get it? But like, you know, I

1748
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:20,520
don't know, man, It's just there's they're trying to get

1749
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,039
people to appreciate where they are, but that can be

1750
01:18:23,079 --> 01:18:25,159
hard when all the habitat has been cleared and there's

1751
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,439
just strip malls and bullshit around. You know.

1752
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the worst. I'll never understand it.

1753
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,079
Speaker 3: Like like people that get into horticulture to be like, yo,

1754
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:35,520
I just want to make a different color.

1755
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like show garden shit. You know, it's like

1756
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,600
the showgarden stuff. I was fucking I had a you know,

1757
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,079
you see you go to Botanic Gardens and you see that,

1758
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:49,279
you know, you see Berkeley is fucking amazing because it's

1759
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:52,560
the complete opposite. Like you go everything separated by different

1760
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:57,159
gat you know where it's from geographically. Yeah, But then

1761
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,000
you go to like, god, I went to some like

1762
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,479
Botanic Gardens and Lumbus, Ohio and all and I were

1763
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,760
on tour and I was like, this is fucking brutal, man,

1764
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:09,159
this is like Hallmark Garden. You know, yeah, like look

1765
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,479
at the color. It's everything's planted in a line and

1766
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,399
it's so pretty.

1767
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: Shit, it's so weird. Have you been to the one

1768
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,560
in Mendicino, No, what's it?

1769
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1770
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,319
Speaker 1: It's a Mendocino coast when they have some cool.

1771
01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:22,119
Speaker 3: Data plants, but since it's hard to grow stuff, they

1772
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:24,319
have something as well, like weird shit like that. But

1773
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:27,359
what's cool about them is like it's mainly it's people

1774
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:28,840
go there for mushrooms. So like if you go there

1775
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,720
during mushroom season, we'll find like fifty different kinds of

1776
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,439
mushrooms at the botanical garden.

1777
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,199
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Oh yeah, just just loving all the leaf

1778
01:19:37,239 --> 01:19:39,000
litter and love.

1779
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:43,399
Speaker 3: It's really cool. Like it's almost like a mycology garden.

1780
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:46,119
Speaker 2: What do you doing the summer there in the valley

1781
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:48,439
because it gets hot as balls, right and everything's dry.

1782
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1783
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,159
Speaker 3: I usually will just go to the mountains, Like there's

1784
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,760
really like Kiper's area, like over the Sierras. There's some

1785
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,279
really high elevation places over there that get to like

1786
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,640
I think gets almost eight thousand feet And we'll go

1787
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,319
over there in like August and it'll still be popping off.

1788
01:20:05,399 --> 01:20:06,239
Speaker 1: It's so cool.

1789
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like high elevations are just waking up July

1790
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:10,000
and August.

1791
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice. But so besides hibiscus, that pretty

1792
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,000
much once it gets to like July, I'm not really

1793
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,680
looking for much stuff in the valley. It's just so

1794
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,479
fucking hot.

1795
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were amped. I forgot that you were

1796
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,319
amped in that hibiscus species for a while. Yeah. I

1797
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:26,880
love that.

1798
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: I love that thing.

1799
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 3: You're the only person I've ever talked to that looks

1800
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,439
for that plant too.

1801
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,079
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It's such a fucking cool plant.

1802
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,359
Speaker 2: Have you been growing that at all?

1803
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have like thirty at my house.

1804
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dope.

1805
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: What do you what are you grow them in?

1806
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 2: Do you need to grow them in a like a

1807
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:45,199
tub or something once you've got them poted up, or

1808
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:45,640
what do you doing?

1809
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 3: They're in the ground. They're in the ground. So I

1810
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,039
have I have them like in two different sections. One

1811
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:52,600
is next to the big air conditioners, so like water trips,

1812
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,960
and then the other one is in the shaded.

1813
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: Area by the house where I just water it every

1814
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,720
other day and it does fine. But they actually don't

1815
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,039
need to like in the wild obviously want more water.

1816
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:04,159
But in the ground, I've never really had one die

1817
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:07,119
from not enough water. Yeah, they don't bloom.

1818
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried to grow on in Oakland

1819
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:14,239
on Mendela Parkway, and it like it was not well,

1820
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,640
you know, but then you see them where they grow,

1821
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,520
It's like, oh, yeah, their feet are wet. They got

1822
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,680
wet feet. But yeah, I wonder how that thing. I

1823
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,479
wonder how that thing made it out there though, because

1824
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,079
it's it's so disjunk like the rest of the populations

1825
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:28,920
and you know, like a thousand miles east, Like how

1826
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:29,159
did that?

1827
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird.

1828
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 3: And it's all I'm already like like we've said before,

1829
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,119
like in DMS, like it's already like disappearing because all

1830
01:21:37,119 --> 01:21:40,119
the agriculture and stuff, and somehow it's still fighting through.

1831
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,479
Like we found like I believe thirty, no, thirty probably

1832
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:44,119
actually like twenty.

1833
01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:47,039
Speaker 1: I'll have to look on in at populate random populations

1834
01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:50,680
with them and elk grow Jesus, I swear really like

1835
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,479
we were just yeah, I was.

1836
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 3: I was looking for them. My friend Cliff, I think

1837
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,039
you know him close to the burder he was driving

1838
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:01,960
on I believe it's eighty or it's five over by

1839
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,199
alcro Any messaging is like, dude, all the Frauda's side

1840
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:06,760
of the freeway, it's by.

1841
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,319
Speaker 1: The wildlife area for like the birds.

1842
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: I just saw high biscuits. You need to drive over here,

1843
01:22:11,039 --> 01:22:12,960
and I wasn't able to get to it. So we

1844
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:14,560
pulled to the side of the road where a creek

1845
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,760
was and then I found some and then we saw

1846
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,039
like a water treatment area and we looked over there

1847
01:22:19,079 --> 01:22:20,079
we found even more.

1848
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was mind blowing.

1849
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:24,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is like the fucking flowers are like

1850
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,439
the diameter of a football. Man, It's it's crazy, yes,

1851
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,319
but they're getting choked. No, what's the invasives that are

1852
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:31,000
choking them out?

1853
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:36,199
Speaker 3: I forget it's the water, primrose, the handling and BlackBerry.

1854
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the blackberries. You go to the delta,

1855
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:41,239
A lot of the delta's fucked up. That must have

1856
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:44,720
been a BlackBerry that must have been an incredible ecosystem

1857
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,640
five hundred years ago. Holy fuck.

1858
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, the delta.

1859
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: And looking for him.

1860
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,520
Speaker 3: You get fucked up by the blackberries when you're looking

1861
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:51,880
for him.

1862
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1863
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: I hate those things, man. I mean the fruit's good whatever,

1864
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,520
but there it's one of the most vicious plants. I

1865
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,000
think it's it's I don't even I think that's a hybrid, right,

1866
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,079
I don't even think that BlackBerry is native anywhere. I

1867
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:06,439
think it was created by people.

1868
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think uh, lucid per Bank, right, Luthiber Bank

1869
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:10,359
made it.

1870
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I should look this up. I forget.

1871
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:14,039
I just remember.

1872
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1873
01:23:14,359 --> 01:23:17,159
Speaker 2: I mean they they're fucking brutal, man, They're like uh

1874
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,880
like and they're all over the like track side areas too,

1875
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,239
in northern California.

1876
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,319
Speaker 4: That black lay dude.

1877
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:26,239
Speaker 2: God, it's fucking brutal.

1878
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: It's horrible.

1879
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:27,239
Speaker 1: Man.

1880
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,039
Speaker 3: My gram's property, she has a property that we live

1881
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:33,000
on now. She died, so we're sold right now. It's

1882
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,119
like fixing things and it's on almost an acre and

1883
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,640
there's no bud now by any water, not by anything

1884
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,000
that she didn't water. She had Alzheimer's, you know what

1885
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,800
I mean, she had sprinklers and there's still blackberries everywhere.

1886
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck are they surflying? Yeah, that's

1887
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:46,720
that's the plant.

1888
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: That's that's like another plant where like you need her beside, right,

1889
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,000
you cut it and then apply all side to this

1890
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:55,199
stem and uh yeah, I didn't even know to cut it,

1891
01:23:55,239 --> 01:23:57,920
Like how would you need like fucking industrial hedgeres or

1892
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,520
something and something with a metal blade like a a

1893
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,560
weed whack one of like the more heavy duty weed whackers.

1894
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,439
It's got like a cable instead of a because those

1895
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:07,359
stems are care.

1896
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,079
Speaker 1: Fucking woody, ridiculous.

1897
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got worth.

1898
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: Jean, I'm worth thick jeans because they fight back. Yeah.

1899
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: I remember when I was going out into northern California

1900
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,159
when I was really getting into first getting into body,

1901
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,720
and this was like two thousand and seven, maybe after

1902
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,520
it because I got my first current two thousand and

1903
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,880
six and it was a Honda prelude. Then I was like, fuck,

1904
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,319
I can go anywhere. And when I was first going out,

1905
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:36,039
I remember I was so terrified at ticks. I was

1906
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:39,159
just terrified. Oh my god, no, no, you know, I

1907
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,239
wouldn't go into bushes because I was worried i'd get

1908
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:44,079
a tick. You know, it's just like fucking go in

1909
01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:47,359
there and just just check yourself after. But I was

1910
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,319
too Yeah, it took me a few years to get

1911
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:53,920
over it. But uh, our show was so funny, man,

1912
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,199
I don't know, I forgot that used to be a thing.

1913
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:58,079
I used to have, like this fear of ticks. You know,

1914
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:00,359
first time ever got fit was on my nuts and

1915
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:02,279
then I found like another one on my arm and

1916
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,000
I would just be ah because I was all freaked out.

1917
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,319
I'm gonna get lime disease, you know. But yeah, man,

1918
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:11,600
I don't know. Now it's just like just pull them

1919
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:12,119
off just.

1920
01:25:12,119 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: To get in my chests. Yeah, that's that's what I hate.

1921
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,640
That's an armpit area ches. Yeah, that's where I always

1922
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,560
find them. I think, like rub my chest and like,

1923
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,000
oh shit.

1924
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 2: I think the ticks get really bad too because of

1925
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,960
fire suppression. I know that's the case out east. I

1926
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,640
mean that's why ticks are so bad on the East

1927
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,279
Coast because fire has been surpressed, like your fire when

1928
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:34,359
you get sixty inches of rainy year as opposed to

1929
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,000
you know, a long dry summer. You know, like the

1930
01:25:38,039 --> 01:25:40,920
fire intervals out east need to be in a lot

1931
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,760
of the wild lands out there need to be like

1932
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,880
between two and five years, like Florida, Like a lot

1933
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,159
of fire dependent habitat in Florida, like on a Lake

1934
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:52,119
Wales ridge, and there were fire returning intervals like one

1935
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:56,680
to three years, whereas out west it's like every twenty

1936
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,319
to fifty years, depending on where it is. But I

1937
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:01,840
mean you see out of the plants in California fire

1938
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,840
that dude, like the man's the needst exactly won't germinate

1939
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,800
with a fire, you know. And when you suppress all that, yeah,

1940
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,239
then you get fuels build up and you get catastrophic fires.

1941
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:13,960
But then you also get the fucking ticks rid.

1942
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,159
Speaker 3: Yes, and right here also, you know how like we

1943
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:20,000
had the drought for so long here we had no

1944
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:23,359
like mega fires obviously, but we had the drought and

1945
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,800
now we've had like four years in a row with

1946
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:26,520
some good rain.

1947
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,119
Speaker 1: The chinks are fucking everywhere. Dude, it's so bad this year.

1948
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 3: That's like I find him on my legs every time

1949
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,920
I get down to like take a picture of a flower.

1950
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: There's so many.

1951
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: Does anybody control burns in California? Yeah, Northern California.

1952
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend's scorch does it on properties. And uh

1953
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:51,359
there's a guy named Zeke his channels called the Lookout

1954
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,399
on YouTube. He does controlled burns and he works with

1955
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,800
an organization called the Bute County Prescribed Burn Association. And

1956
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,119
what they do is they get landowners to do it

1957
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:01,920
and they teach them how to do and they do

1958
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,119
like group burns.

1959
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: Burns or when I guess, if you're not burning in

1960
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,520
the lake winter, it's not that bad.

1961
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly.

1962
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, winter and like anything after May is a no.

1963
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Usually, that's how I usually see it. Yeah, before May good.

1964
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 3: After May they say no, and then May their CalFire

1965
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,479
does it? The verna pools, May cal fire burns.

1966
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,199
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, I mean out there you have to

1967
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:31,600
because otherwise the fuels build up and the only other

1968
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,600
option is I mean it's insane to think you can

1969
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,800
just go in there with a bunch of people cutting shit.

1970
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,199
I mean that's I guess you could, but it's so

1971
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,439
it's so intensive and it would require so much mandpower

1972
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,279
and time. Yeah, it's fucking nuts man, just burning at

1973
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:47,079
the right time of year, you know, like it was

1974
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:48,640
exactly thousands.

1975
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:52,239
Speaker 1: Of years and it's nothing's going to go. Like, there's mistakes,

1976
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,159
but it's worth it. Like you remember the moon Have

1977
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:56,479
you heard about the moon fire? Yeah? Where was it?

1978
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,359
I can't remember what county it was.

1979
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,159
Speaker 3: I think it was over by Chico, so it was

1980
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:07,760
probably Butte County or Tama And it was started by SPI.

1981
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: The ser Pacific Industries fucked them.

1982
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:14,279
Speaker 3: They were doing a cleanup burn, you know, like they

1983
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:17,000
clear clotted everything and did a cleanup burn, and it

1984
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:19,279
got it got out of control, and so the government

1985
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:21,600
charged them. I don't want to give the wrong number.

1986
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,000
I believe it's like one hundred million dollars. It's what

1987
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:27,239
they had to pay. And the effects from that is

1988
01:28:27,359 --> 01:28:30,479
now a lot of these private lumber people and even

1989
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,840
private like homeowners, they don't want to do because they're scared.

1990
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,399
And so when you do a controlled burn in California

1991
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,039
sometimes most of the time you have to have cal

1992
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:40,520
fire there, but CalFire won't start the fire.

1993
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: You have to start the fire, and then they help

1994
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,560
because they don't want any legal liability.

1995
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun, well, because they can just get so

1996
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,079
fucking it's so gnarly there because it's just so much fire.

1997
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a lot of people houses and ship.

1998
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,239
Speaker 2: When you have this summer, when you got the summer

1999
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,600
being the dry the hottest time of year being the

2000
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,000
driest time of year, that's it's it's fucking brutal man.

2001
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:08,800
I mean, it's just the risk is so high. And

2002
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,600
I had friends and friends that lived in Weed that

2003
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,720
were doing they and they bought the friend of mine

2004
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,119
and bought like forty acres turn into like a nonprofit.

2005
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:19,720
They were doing a lot of restoration and planting native

2006
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,760
and stuff. It was really cool, but it was an

2007
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,279
old It was an old pine plantation. So everything was

2008
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:27,800
planted and all the pines were planted in uniform lines

2009
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,600
and they kept growing, but they hadn't been limbed up,

2010
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,920
so all the branches down below die as the pine

2011
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,000
grows up, especially when the pines are planted close to

2012
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:38,119
each other and the lower branches aren't getting light anymore,

2013
01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:40,000
the tree just abbs scizis them and says fuck it,

2014
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:41,960
you know. And so it was just you get these

2015
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:44,159
ladder fires. And it took them a few years of

2016
01:29:44,359 --> 01:29:47,239
going in there, limbing everything up and then having and

2017
01:29:47,239 --> 01:29:49,079
then setting it in a burn pile and then letting

2018
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:51,199
it sit there till winter when it was safe to burn.

2019
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,560
And then oh yeah, and there was there was. Percy

2020
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,399
had tried in Tata and Arctostaphelos, the manzanita and the

2021
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,640
antelope brush in the understory, and that it all died

2022
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,800
once they got the private light. And those are like

2023
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,079
four or five foot tall shrubs that are just cages

2024
01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:09,119
of these you know, poky branches that would then dry

2025
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:11,840
as fucking just like total tinder box man.

2026
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:18,159
Speaker 3: So Mantanita burns hot like I didn't really fully realize

2027
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,079
until I saw it once when my friend was doing

2028
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:20,760
the RX burn.

2029
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,079
Speaker 1: The what the fuck?

2030
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, and it's it's a yeah. It's like

2031
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:29,520
a lot of species are they need fire, Like their

2032
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,119
seeds won't germinate without it. They won't you know, they've

2033
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:35,159
got those big ass burrows. Yeah, that will re sprout

2034
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:39,039
after a fire.

2035
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: The fire stuff is tope. Man, it's so interesting.

2036
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 3: My friend Scorch what he does is he goes to

2037
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,720
light in Nevada County and he convinces hoa communities that

2038
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,000
like build like hellscapes where they shouldn't in like the

2039
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,319
middle of the forest.

2040
01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: And the.

2041
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: And he does RX burns around their prop like around

2042
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,720
the entire community and he's he's ship, I'll.

2043
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Send you his stuff. That man is to go. He's

2044
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,880
so cool. Yes, he hates cow he hates cal fire though,

2045
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,119
how come just because they deny him permits all the time,

2046
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:13,880
And they tried to get him in trouble before for

2047
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,279
doing a burn, so they like showed up and tried

2048
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:18,640
to get him in trouble and then the DA dropped it.

2049
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,600
So it's just like he's sick of the drama.

2050
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Like one time, they denied him a fire permit because

2051
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,920
they said it was too hot, and then they changed

2052
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,680
their mind and they were driving over and it started raining,

2053
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,840
and apparently instead of giving him a permit, they stopped

2054
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,760
and started fighting people that were trying to do burns. So,

2055
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,399
like the bad of count he's crazy. It's just a

2056
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:39,239
crazy area of California.

2057
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh is that where it is?

2058
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's valley area. Damn.

2059
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:47,319
Speaker 2: I found a fucking I found the naturalized population of

2060
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,720
cranberry's there, you know, because really yeah, because they're that's

2061
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:54,680
an East Coast species. But uh, the ground there was

2062
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:59,479
so acidified because it was all tailings from hydraulic mining

2063
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,239
from the the forty nine ers. The ground was so

2064
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:08,159
acidified that, yeah, I guess cranberries had naturalized in this

2065
01:32:08,279 --> 01:32:10,520
bog and it was like a low lying boggy area.

2066
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:12,640
It was wild, man, there was a bunch of it

2067
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,840
was a highly crazy, highly ascetic soil. Yeah, and then

2068
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:20,279
vaccinian vaccini and macrocarpon growing there. It's just pleasant memories

2069
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:22,479
of living out there. I miss it, man. I just

2070
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,239
it's so fucking expensive, you know, I think, Yeah, I

2071
01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:28,560
know I can see what you get people like, you know,

2072
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,680
living under bridges and over there.

2073
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,319
Speaker 1: It's funny.

2074
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my family's like a calm, a calm that sounds bad,

2075
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,239
but like it's like my sister's my mom and they're fit,

2076
01:32:38,319 --> 01:32:39,399
like we all have to pay together.

2077
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:41,079
Speaker 1: It's expensive.

2078
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's nuts. It's a fucking you know,

2079
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:46,399
I don't.

2080
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 1: Know, just like gas here is so expensive right now,

2081
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,479
it's like almost six.

2082
01:32:50,359 --> 01:32:54,199
Speaker 2: Dollars since since since Trump started.

2083
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: It's heartburn. God, what is it?

2084
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,079
Speaker 2: It's like seven bucks a gawn?

2085
01:32:59,159 --> 01:32:59,399
Speaker 1: What is it?

2086
01:32:59,479 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: Right now?

2087
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,399
Speaker 3: It's six it's five point fifty five at some places,

2088
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:05,840
and then once you get on like away from like

2089
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,840
the inner city, then it's a towards six.

2090
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 1: It's so bad.

2091
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,079
Speaker 2: Then you're well you're forced to drive everywhere by the

2092
01:33:12,079 --> 01:33:14,520
the infrastructure too, if you don't live in a city.

2093
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's especially Sacramento. The public transit Sacramento is like hilarious.

2094
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:20,880
It's so bad.

2095
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I know they got those little those

2096
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:28,000
like dinky little street cars, but uh I remember that,

2097
01:33:28,079 --> 01:33:30,479
but I mean it's like it's just shitty buses.

2098
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:33,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just like stops right when you get

2099
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:37,079
out of like downtown. They extended it to like towards

2100
01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:39,640
folsome area because that's like they wanted to go in

2101
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,960
the richer areas. But like and considering like the size

2102
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,039
of the socker probably covers like thirty percent of this

2103
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:46,720
the metro area.

2104
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 4: Damn, that's fucking brutal.

2105
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,239
Speaker 2: What so wait, but going back into when you started

2106
01:33:51,279 --> 01:33:52,680
doing this, So what did you How did you get

2107
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,319
the name Sacramento food forest because that's like a.

2108
01:33:55,359 --> 01:33:59,319
Speaker 1: Permontrol people the way I know, control people control people.

2109
01:33:59,479 --> 01:33:59,800
You don't know?

2110
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 2: Were you, like, did you start off originally into like

2111
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,800
permaculture stuff and then only got more into like ecology

2112
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,640
or what I would a little bit.

2113
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 3: I guess for me more, it was like I was

2114
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,119
just like grocery stuff. I always like the native plants,

2115
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:16,119
and then I started growing like bananas and different fruits

2116
01:34:16,119 --> 01:34:16,439
with it.

2117
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: And then I started like watching videos on it.

2118
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,079
Speaker 3: I started noticing this permaculture dude just talk out of

2119
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:24,039
their fucking ass, and like it would just bother me

2120
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:25,840
how they promotevasive species.

2121
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Like I can go on for hours about this too.

2122
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,680
There's so many things about the permaculture movement that dry.

2123
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 2: So the name Sack food Forest was a joke.

2124
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, to stroll them because I have a food forest,

2125
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:40,680
but it's for the animals, for native ecology.

2126
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing, right, I should.

2127
01:34:43,359 --> 01:34:45,760
I should next time some permaculture guy, no offense to

2128
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:47,479
them comes up through Oh have you heard of a

2129
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,119
food for you? I got a food forest, but it's

2130
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:53,560
for the native animals and insects that live you, not me.

2131
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:56,800
I want to get some broccoli or some ship. I

2132
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,399
go to the grocery store. I'm not going to learn

2133
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,600
how to breathe like a heat tolerant, you know, pheno

2134
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,319
type of broccoli buddy.

2135
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, But I mean it's that's cool.

2136
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,319
Speaker 2: That's just a whole other skill set. I think being

2137
01:35:07,319 --> 01:35:09,159
able to grow your own food is cool, but that's

2138
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:12,600
not ecology. You know, there's ways to do it ecologically

2139
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,000
where you grow mixed natives in there or whatever. It's

2140
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,760
just not for me. It's not my interest. But I'm

2141
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,199
not knocking people that do it. When I do knock them,

2142
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:21,520
it's when they don't have any They're interested in just

2143
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,640
growing human food, but they don't have any interesting awareness

2144
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:28,039
of the impacts that might have. If you're say, planting

2145
01:35:28,079 --> 01:35:31,960
invasive bullshit, you know, and you're only planting the invasive

2146
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,359
bullshit because uh, it's it's edible or blah blah blah.

2147
01:35:35,239 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 4: It's so crazy.

2148
01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:39,079
Speaker 2: What about its repercussions? Right, like view yourself as part

2149
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:42,479
of this living web and do it that. I say,

2150
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,920
I don't know, but most crops tend not to be

2151
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:49,159
too invasive, but.

2152
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,039
Speaker 3: The way they justify invasive species is fucking crazy. Like

2153
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,319
the whole did I send you a picture of the book?

2154
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:57,000
I gotta find it that one of the like one

2155
01:35:57,039 --> 01:35:59,000
of these permic culture people who didn't realize, like I

2156
01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:01,239
don't give a five what they think, walked up to

2157
01:36:01,279 --> 01:36:03,560
me and gave me this book because you're trying to

2158
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,319
get me to like start caring about using evasive species.

2159
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:08,560
And it's literally called evasive species, like how it will

2160
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:09,239
save the world.

2161
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fucking it. Stuff like that as fuck,

2162
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,520
Like permaculture doesn't have to have those connotations. It's just

2163
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,279
unfortunately it does. Like you, you know, you there's some

2164
01:36:19,319 --> 01:36:21,199
people that are really into like they get it. They're

2165
01:36:21,239 --> 01:36:24,159
into like the native they're into permaculture and they're but

2166
01:36:24,199 --> 01:36:27,359
they also understand native plant ecology. But then there's this

2167
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,079
huge segment. I mean, anytime I read a book by

2168
01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:34,640
some fucking new age you know, person from Oregon. Uh,

2169
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,319
it just happens to be, right. It's always they're always

2170
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:41,079
like a permaculture that's denying invasive species. It's always it's

2171
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:43,520
always someone associated with permaculture.

2172
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,159
Speaker 1: You know.

2173
01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:47,399
Speaker 2: It's okay, you're given perma culture a bad name, you know,

2174
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:48,560
and they're.

2175
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: So snobby, they're so snobby about it. If you try

2176
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:52,319
to talk to them.

2177
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:54,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna tell you how you're wrong and all

2178
01:36:54,399 --> 01:36:56,399
the data that, all the all the ship you've read,

2179
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:01,960
all this wrong too, right, Yeah, it's well, they'll anthropomorphize

2180
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,359
it and compare it to human xenophobia, which is like

2181
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,439
ultimate shit for brain, like just lowest common denominator analogy.

2182
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,600
It's just something a ten year old would say, you know,

2183
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,359
like when.

2184
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 3: The humans are invasive, that's then they're the ones who always.

2185
01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Well, humans are invasive, aren't they humans? They're not.

2186
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 2: Humans are invasive.

2187
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,119
Speaker 1: Humans create the invasive species by moving them, you fucking idiot.

2188
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,000
Is so hard not to get mad when they say that.

2189
01:37:25,239 --> 01:37:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just tired talking points. I just

2190
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,840
you know, politely tell them that's not really what the

2191
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,439
word means. It's a little bit more complicated than that.

2192
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,479
It's got an actual definition, and you know it's not

2193
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,479
the same as like the Miriam Webster definition. It's the

2194
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,039
definition you know, in the field of ecology. So and

2195
01:37:43,079 --> 01:37:46,159
it has to do with right, Yeah, it has to

2196
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:48,279
do with a plant evolving for millions of years in

2197
01:37:48,319 --> 01:37:50,279
a place as a member of a certain ecosystem with

2198
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:53,720
its own checks and balances that don't exist. Those checks

2199
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,159
and bounces don't exist when that species gets to a

2200
01:37:56,199 --> 01:38:00,399
new continent. So yeah, it's fucking but I think I

2201
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,359
see more, I see more awareness around that and things

2202
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:05,840
slowly starting to change. That's the best you could do. Yeah,

2203
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:10,359
tell people kindly, unless there being a huge twat kind

2204
01:38:10,359 --> 01:38:11,760
of they tell me what's up, Like, no, man, it

2205
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,279
doesn't work like that, Like it doesn't. I'm just gonna

2206
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:15,319
tell you what's going on.

2207
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: You know.

2208
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,079
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Jeff Lawton who's like one of

2209
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:21,000
the top permaculture people that says.

2210
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:21,600
Speaker 1: A lot of bullshit.

2211
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,039
Speaker 3: Like one of my biggest dreams is to see like

2212
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:26,840
someone like me or someone like you debate him like

2213
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:27,880
an Ashal debate.

2214
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it would be so entertaining. I mean,

2215
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,279
it would be so entertaining.

2216
01:38:33,079 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 2: There's someone not knowing's fine, but it's that's when I

2217
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,159
with any argument right, no matter what it is. Someone

2218
01:38:38,199 --> 01:38:40,600
not knowing is fine because I'll say stupid shit sometimes

2219
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,880
I don't know about but that'll also like, you know,

2220
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:44,479
I don't know. I don't know about this, I don't

2221
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,960
know enough right, or if I'm if I'm given data

2222
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,600
that shows that I'm wrong, I'm like, oh, yeah, I

2223
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,479
fucked up. Okay, I stank correctly. But when someone just

2224
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,760
doesn't want to give it up, it's just the ego,

2225
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,159
won't you know. That's when it's like, well, fuck you, man,

2226
01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:58,720
I'm just not going to waste time with you. You

2227
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,720
want to believe that the sky is orange, and I'm

2228
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,680
not gonna there's debating you anymore. Man, they tell you.

2229
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: They get upset. They feel like you're going after their grift,

2230
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:07,960
so they get upset.

2231
01:39:08,279 --> 01:39:10,239
Speaker 2: I think the man a lot of it is important,

2232
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:13,359
especially but like the when the whole New age, like

2233
01:39:13,399 --> 01:39:17,439
in the field of New age, uh, you know healers

2234
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,279
or grifters or whatever. Yeah, it's a whole there's a

2235
01:39:20,319 --> 01:39:22,439
whole grifter selling there really is, man.

2236
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, whether it's.

2237
01:39:24,319 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: Simple supplements or buy my book or or you know,

2238
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,159
I'm doing classes on whatever the fuck I think there's

2239
01:39:31,239 --> 01:39:33,119
there is a whole grift. So it's.

2240
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,159
Speaker 3: There's a hell of funny video on TikTok where someone's

2241
01:39:37,159 --> 01:39:39,479
talking about like like the Carnivore Diary, and it's all

2242
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,760
that energy. It's like, I've shipped my pants three times

2243
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,399
this day, but I feel great.

2244
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:51,359
Speaker 2: Us Christ yeah, so fucking high high blood pressure cholesterol.

2245
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, it's crazy to me. I don't understand

2246
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:56,119
how that thing.

2247
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: So where are you gonna go? So where are you

2248
01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:02,079
gonna go next? You're gonna basically you're gonna be in

2249
01:40:02,119 --> 01:40:04,039
the mountains this summer. And then what are your Like,

2250
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,159
I guess what else are you? What else are you

2251
01:40:07,159 --> 01:40:09,239
interested in highlighting in the next few months?

2252
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,279
Speaker 3: For this month, For the rest of this month, it's

2253
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:16,319
gonna be mainly probably just like fritillarious occasional like early

2254
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:20,159
bloom and Califortis. Then when it gets towards like April,

2255
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:22,079
that's when I like to go to like ver Yes,

2256
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,720
Napa County, to show like for me, I at first

2257
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,640
I'd like to just show like the rare plants, but

2258
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,560
then I realized sometimes it doesn't do it was good.

2259
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,159
So now I like to show like everything, like all

2260
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:34,800
the plants growing in a community, certain plants if they're

2261
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,760
rare and cool, but mainly just like filming what I see,

2262
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,600
like the different habitats. Yeah, I think I'm going to

2263
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,439
spend it like a lot of time in Cash Creek

2264
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:44,359
Wilderness area.

2265
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,560
Speaker 1: I fucking love it over there. Is it?

2266
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: What county is it in?

2267
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:52,239
Speaker 3: That's in It's technically Lake County, but it's also Napa.

2268
01:40:52,279 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: It's a it's like a weird are right in there.

2269
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,359
Yeah for sure.

2270
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, that's yeah, there's uh, there's

2271
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,960
should be the sleepy at Solanajana there should right now.

2272
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:06,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2273
01:41:06,199 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 2: Do you use Nationalist do store stuff?

2274
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2275
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing about heat is I have a

2276
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,000
lot of like follower people that like look for I

2277
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,640
could tell they're like trying to find for a plant.

2278
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,000
So I move a lot of locations.

2279
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:22,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I obscure everything, obscure, obscure or just privatize it,

2280
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,600
you know, because it's you you want it to be.

2281
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,720
I mean, you want to keep the location for yourself too.

2282
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:28,399
Other people don't need to see where it is, you.

2283
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:31,399
Speaker 3: Know exactly there's like I won't say any names, but

2284
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,239
there's like a certain group of people like when I

2285
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:35,520
post their ship, they always like confirm it within like

2286
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:35,920
an hour.

2287
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you boys are sleuthing right now.

2288
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:43,399
Speaker 2: Man Herpers the Snake, the Snake and reptile people do

2289
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,279
that ship. They're mad about it. It's nuts. They're always

2290
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:50,880
trying to There's some guy that's just uh, he's like

2291
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,079
a well night, like a million followers and shit, I

2292
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:55,399
guess he just blew through Texas. And one of my friends,

2293
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,760
a buddy of mine, close friend of I was like, yeah,

2294
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,119
he just he you know, he had a picture of

2295
01:42:01,159 --> 01:42:04,199
this all this flipped over ten and ship and he's

2296
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:06,720
like he named it Hurricane, you know, such and such

2297
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:10,039
the dude's name. He's like, yeah, he just comes through town.

2298
01:42:10,399 --> 01:42:12,960
He films some some ship for his for the Gram,

2299
01:42:13,039 --> 01:42:15,920
for the content and fox up all the habitat, all

2300
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,600
the stacks of tin that we've put out there, and

2301
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,079
and that's ridiculous.

2302
01:42:21,159 --> 01:42:22,279
Speaker 1: That's so ridiculous.

2303
01:42:22,319 --> 01:42:25,079
Speaker 2: If it's just it's fucking it's just jerking off. It's

2304
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:26,720
like if you're if you're putting stuff out there to

2305
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:30,279
educate people and actually you know, hope people up with info.

2306
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:32,079
That's cool if you're just doing it for likes, and

2307
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:35,880
what the fuck is the point? Like I guess, I guess,

2308
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,239
but you're not You're not contributing to the greater good.

2309
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:39,279
You're not helping anything.

2310
01:42:39,319 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to even do it like that, Like,

2311
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,920
if you're going to be in nature films and ship,

2312
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,640
you shouldn't want to actually not make it worse than.

2313
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 2: A well yeah, and also there's there's just so much

2314
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,159
cool ship out there that people don't know about that

2315
01:42:53,239 --> 01:42:55,399
you have the opportunity to show them, you know, and

2316
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,439
then that makes the world you live in better because

2317
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,520
now people know about this ship and have an interest

2318
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,039
in it. And you know, Alan Rockefeller used to that

2319
01:43:02,039 --> 01:43:03,760
you got me thinking about it could always be like

2320
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,079
because I would try to gate keep certain things when

2321
01:43:07,079 --> 01:43:08,800
I was younger, and he would be like, well, it's

2322
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,119
good to have more people interested in nature because then

2323
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:12,960
you have more people that want to, you know, stand

2324
01:43:13,039 --> 01:43:16,560
up for it when ship bag developers or you know,

2325
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,359
the more wealth worshiping members of our species come for it.

2326
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:24,039
And uh, I think it's good and it's just it

2327
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:26,319
feels good for people obviously to have a connection to

2328
01:43:26,359 --> 01:43:28,359
the living world. It's a nice antidote to all the

2329
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,079
bleak shit out there, you know, when you've got to

2330
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:35,479
drive a concrete consumer healthscape filled with billboards and car dealerships,

2331
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,199
you know, it's nice to be able to look at

2332
01:43:38,199 --> 01:43:41,279
some fucking trees afterwards and be like, yeah, Okay, I

2333
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:43,039
forgot this whole other world is here.

2334
01:43:43,079 --> 01:43:43,279
Speaker 1: You know.

2335
01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:47,199
Speaker 3: I feel like so many people if they didn't have

2336
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:49,079
to like drive through that every day would be so

2337
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:49,760
much happier.

2338
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's horrible, man, it's terir. Hey did you ever

2339
01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:56,039
get into the cypresses, any of them, like McNabb Cypress

2340
01:43:56,119 --> 01:43:58,199
or Baker Cypress or those cools.

2341
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been learning about them. You message about him,

2342
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,000
and that's the guy that was on my list for

2343
01:44:02,119 --> 01:44:03,800
this year. Yeah.

2344
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 2: I got into them because I was using them as

2345
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,319
as street trees, you know, and uh.

2346
01:44:08,199 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: That's sick.

2347
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 2: You can get you can collect the cones at any

2348
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,039
time of year since they need fire to open, so

2349
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:14,720
they just stay closed on the tree for the.

2350
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,159
Speaker 1: Whole the whole U sack.

2351
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, McNab cypress will yeah totally. Yeah sure, and then

2352
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,720
but then it's their stuff, the ones that grow near

2353
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,880
the coast are a little different because the different closer

2354
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:30,600
to the coast, like the ones in Oakland, like I

2355
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,159
had to use Santa Cruz cypress and Sergeant cypress and

2356
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,279
you know, but there's like ten native species in California. Man,

2357
01:44:36,279 --> 01:44:38,319
they're all fucking dope. They're all really cool.

2358
01:44:38,399 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 3: Can you find like some really crazy rare Santa Cruz

2359
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:43,159
cypress or something once?

2360
01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: Oh?

2361
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but cypress. Yeah, it's it's got like it's more blue,

2362
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,359
the foliage is more bluish, and it grows on that's

2363
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:52,920
a really fucking wild spot where it grows. It's like

2364
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,119
this this uh redwood, this slope of redwood and tanook

2365
01:44:57,159 --> 01:45:00,720
that faces the Pacific, and then there's just this little

2366
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:05,239
opening that was a real cool eye opener for me too. Ecologically,

2367
01:45:05,239 --> 01:45:09,920
there's this little opening where the substrate just becomes sandstone

2368
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,960
and all the soil's gone, and so the redwoods and

2369
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,720
the tanuks can't grow on this bare rock, but the

2370
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:18,479
cypresses can. The seeds fall into the cracks in the rock,

2371
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:22,319
the divots and shit, and then they can hang in there.

2372
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,680
And and yeah, this is like it's like, you know,

2373
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,479
it's it's related to Santa cruz cypress, but it's disjunk

2374
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,760
by like forty miles and I think it was originally

2375
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,359
discovered in like the early nineteen hundreds, then it was lost.

2376
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:37,520
No one could find it for like forty five years,

2377
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:40,520
and then they found it while doing like aerial surveys

2378
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,279
or something, because it's like a football field sized patch

2379
01:45:43,319 --> 01:45:47,840
of just open sandstone on this slope, like forty five

2380
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,800
degree slope in the Redwood forest. You know, it's such

2381
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,000
a fucking cool spot, but it's like a fifteen it's

2382
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,079
like a ten mile hike to get there one way,

2383
01:45:55,359 --> 01:45:57,720
oh then ten miles out. Yeah, you'll be out there

2384
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,880
the whole day. It's cool. I could. I can give

2385
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,239
you the point later if you want to go check

2386
01:46:01,279 --> 01:46:04,960
it out. But you're walking past massive fucking tan oaks

2387
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:09,199
and redwoods. It's a cool forest, you know, it's a

2388
01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:10,239
really cool forest.

2389
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 3: That must be a mindfug especially since like with the

2390
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,520
red Woods, it can get so dark and then you

2391
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:15,399
find this open patch.

2392
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 1: You're like, oh shit, oh yeah, it's nuts.

2393
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,239
Speaker 2: And then there's other shit growing on that barren patch too,

2394
01:46:20,319 --> 01:46:24,359
like fromanodendron, like Fermano dendron needs hot, dry sun, right,

2395
01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:26,439
what's it doing in a redwood forest? Well, it's found

2396
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:30,199
the only place to grow on this barren patch of sandstone,

2397
01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:31,399
and that's where it pops up.

2398
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: But you know they just.

2399
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,640
Speaker 2: Had a fire there. That would actually should actually go there,

2400
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,039
Like I would like it if you went there, because

2401
01:46:37,039 --> 01:46:39,520
I'm curious how everything recovered after the fire, because there

2402
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,680
were a fire burned through and decimated it. But it's

2403
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:46,479
a fire adapted landscape. Yeah, fire adapted tree. The cones

2404
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,479
literally don't open unless they get fire. And I remember

2405
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,239
the last time I was there before it burned, I

2406
01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,079
was like, this spot needs a fire anyway, Man, this

2407
01:46:53,159 --> 01:46:54,000
is fucked, Like.

2408
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 3: This is just it wasn't crazy how many times that happens,

2409
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,760
where you walk through a spot you're like, this place

2410
01:46:58,800 --> 01:46:59,479
needs a burn.

2411
01:46:59,560 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2412
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fuel, the fuels build up, the fuel builds up,

2413
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,960
and there's dead branches everywhere, and I mean, you know

2414
01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:09,159
when you're in that kind of landscape and you're like, man,

2415
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:12,520
this has been fire suppressed for decades and it's you

2416
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,640
can see how the fires get out of control because

2417
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,720
there's so much fuels build up. You know, this shit

2418
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:19,640
is building up faster than it can decay.

2419
01:47:21,159 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 3: That's something you could teach like people who aren't super

2420
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:25,520
into nature too. I have a bunch of friends that

2421
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,840
are like musicians and stuff, and so many of them

2422
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,359
will like send me pictures like, bro, I want to

2423
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:31,880
hide with my girlfriend. Look at the shit forest. It's

2424
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,000
ready to burn.

2425
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,600
Speaker 1: And I start laughing. Yeah, Like you could pick up

2426
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:37,800
on that pretty easily.

2427
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,239
Speaker 3: Once you explained them, like, oh, look how close the

2428
01:47:39,319 --> 01:47:41,159
streets are, Look at the ladder fuel. Look at all

2429
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:43,920
that shit on the ground, you know, like it lets

2430
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,680
you know? Yeah, with that the same fire as a

2431
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:47,279
big basin.

2432
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember. It was maybe five or six years ago.

2433
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,880
I think I actually went back there right after it burned.

2434
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,039
But none of the cyper seeds that germinated yet, but

2435
01:47:57,079 --> 01:47:58,600
there's probably a few going right now.

2436
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,039
Speaker 1: I bet either is for sure.

2437
01:48:01,319 --> 01:48:04,119
Speaker 2: Buttano Yeah, but what does bhutano mean? I don't even

2438
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:07,079
know what that means. It was named after a Putano creek.

2439
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:13,199
Speaker 1: That sounds like a type of cheese. What is ite?

2440
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 2: It just means butane in Spanish.

2441
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fire that means. It's good?

2442
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 2: Oh wait wait now it was in Portuguese. The fuck

2443
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,600
it's not. Why isn't picking up. The Spanish probably means

2444
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,239
the same thing. Yeah, it just means butane. Yeah, that's weird.

2445
01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:33,479
I don't know that's anyway. Yeah, I don't know some

2446
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:33,840
of those.

2447
01:48:34,079 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it smells like just smell like gas or smell good.

2448
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 2: It smells good, it smells like lemon, like a lot

2449
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,600
of the coast range cypresses, Like along along the coast

2450
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,720
you got Monterey cypress, which is planted everywhere, in invasive

2451
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,000
overseas and some similar climates. And then but it's like

2452
01:48:50,159 --> 01:48:52,520
rare where it's native, just like monterey pine, which is

2453
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,039
also invasive in like New Zealand and ChIL And then

2454
01:48:56,079 --> 01:49:00,680
you get Hespero cyprus pigmya pygmy cypress up north Mendocino

2455
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:07,319
and Kupressus or Hespero cipprus now Goveniana going cypress, Santa

2456
01:49:07,319 --> 01:49:09,800
Cruz cypress, which is a bramsyana like all those will

2457
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:13,600
grow in like the coastal California climate. And then inland

2458
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,279
where it's hot as balls and dry in the summer,

2459
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:20,760
you've got Payute cypress, which is southern Sierra Nevada Mcnabs cypress,

2460
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:25,199
which is you know, Chico area, grows on serpentine and

2461
01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:30,279
then yeah, Baker cypress up in uh like Ciscu. Baker

2462
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:33,520
cypress smells the best. It's just it's got these glands

2463
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:37,199
in it. Yeah, it's fucking smells incredible, like these little

2464
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:40,439
white dots on the scales that like contained this really

2465
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:44,439
pleasant smelling resin. And it's got bark that kind of

2466
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,760
looks like a madrome like smooth and red. They grow

2467
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:48,680
in Chicago. I got I planted one of my mass

2468
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,560
yard in Chicago. They're super cold tolerant, yeah, because it

2469
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:56,279
gets fucking cold in Plumus County and Ciscu and they

2470
01:49:56,319 --> 01:49:59,960
grow on this like timbered crater and this mountain call

2471
01:50:00,119 --> 01:50:02,960
Goose Nest Mountain because it's it looks like a goose nest.

2472
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:03,119
Speaker 1: You know.

2473
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 2: It's an old volcanic cinder cone and sisky. There's so many,

2474
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:08,439
it's so much good ship up there there.

2475
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 1: You got.

2476
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all that cool volcanics. Man, you got to

2477
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:16,800
go check it. Check that area out. Iamna Iliamna Baker eye.

2478
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,359
That cool mallow. It's like a native hollyhock, another fire

2479
01:50:19,399 --> 01:50:22,199
dependent plant. Seeds will lay in the seed bank for

2480
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,319
eighty years until the fire comes through, and then they'll

2481
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,520
they'll germinate. It's like a four foot tall shrub with

2482
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,039
big pink flowers. Yeah, there's so much good ship up there, man.

2483
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,239
Speaker 3: You need to come down here for like like four

2484
01:50:33,279 --> 01:50:37,319
weeks when it's the season for like the Sierras.

2485
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2486
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: I want to take my daughter because she needs to

2487
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:41,319
see that stuff.

2488
01:50:41,319 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 4: She's five.

2489
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 2: You know, you see a tree when you're fucking when

2490
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:47,560
you're like, I can imagine because I saw when I

2491
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,399
was nineteen for the first time. When you're like five

2492
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,119
years old and you see a tree that's the size,

2493
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:56,600
like especially you know, the Sierra Redwoods, because they're bigger

2494
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,600
than the Coast Redwoods, you know, at least at the base.

2495
01:50:59,079 --> 01:51:02,000
You see that when you're that's gotta be fucking mind blowing, man.

2496
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: To see a tree that made me pick nature, my

2497
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,720
mom showing me that it's a kids. It's you're completely right,

2498
01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:10,960
mind blowing.

2499
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,199
Speaker 2: To see a tree that's, you know, as big as

2500
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:16,439
a fire truck around. I mean, that's fucking nuts, man.

2501
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,319
Speaker 3: It's gotta be I prefer this year, if to be honest,

2502
01:51:21,359 --> 01:51:23,479
Like the Sequoias, I like them more, even though I

2503
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:24,600
film in the red Woods a lot.

2504
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I like this.

2505
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I like those more too. Yeah, they're just

2506
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:31,640
it's a I mean, they're both beautiful trees, but that

2507
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,800
one is like that with that bright red bark, and

2508
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,359
it's got a cooler form I think. And they're just

2509
01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:37,640
fucking bigger too.

2510
01:51:38,039 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 3: And always growing in a mixed conifer for it. So

2511
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:43,880
there's like more varieties of big ash sugar pines and stuff.

2512
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah.

2513
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: And then when you plant those in full sun and

2514
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,600
you give madequate water and they're in the right you

2515
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,640
know habitat where it cools off enough at night, they

2516
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,520
fucking take off. You can get you know, eight feet

2517
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,319
a year out of those things. The same thing with

2518
01:51:59,399 --> 01:52:01,960
coast red wood eight ten ft a year out of

2519
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:02,880
coast redwood trees.

2520
01:52:03,279 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2521
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,359
Speaker 3: I got to send you a picture of my grandma

2522
01:52:05,359 --> 01:52:08,119
as a coast redwood in her front yard that broke

2523
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:09,800
the water main and she had all summer's in it

2524
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,439
now and it's the largest redwood in Sacramon County.

2525
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 2: Bro it's a ball what they do about the water

2526
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:15,720
and they have to move it or something.

2527
01:52:17,239 --> 01:52:19,399
Speaker 1: We had to fix it, so we cut a tree

2528
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:20,920
that was by it and then paid the victo was

2529
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:25,319
so expensive. Oh, just moved it around like yeah, yeah,

2530
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:29,640
to the side because yeah, because the city had to

2531
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,319
help pay for it too, because it was their waterman

2532
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:36,000
and they made that decision. They're like, probably that's fucking brutal.

2533
01:52:36,199 --> 01:52:38,039
Speaker 2: That's cool. They didn't cut the tree though.

2534
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would have been pissed because dude, it's

2535
01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:44,199
so big, and I hate planning, like plants in our

2536
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:45,119
native to your region.

2537
01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:47,399
Speaker 3: But oh my god, it's amazing to wake up every

2538
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,239
morning and just have like a humble size of redwood in.

2539
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:53,560
Speaker 2: Front of region. But it's native to the state, I mean, you.

2540
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

2541
01:52:54,159 --> 01:52:56,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people get real about that.

2542
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, if it's not a restoration site or inhabitat,

2543
01:52:59,359 --> 01:53:00,399
who gives a fun you know.

2544
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: Like exactly one hundred percent agree?

2545
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, actually all locally sourced within fifty miles of this thing. Yeah,

2546
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,319
Shadow cares the fuck Like we're in a six mass extinction.

2547
01:53:10,319 --> 01:53:12,159
Don't worry, but just get in the ground and provide

2548
01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:12,840
some habitat.

2549
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,079
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, those people are insane.

2550
01:53:15,079 --> 01:53:16,800
Speaker 3: When I did that video where I planted the end

2551
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:20,479
danger hibiscus seats, I remember like like some page was

2552
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:21,520
like he has a good following.

2553
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: I think like fifty thousand followers. The dude was just

2554
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,439
trying to lecture me. I just want to be like, Bro,

2555
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:26,840
I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're

2556
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:27,760
completely wrong.

2557
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 2: Right now about what he was actually about what.

2558
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 3: He was like, you need to stop planning hybiscus seat

2559
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,920
and not tell people to grow high biscuits at their

2560
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,520
house if they're in California. I'm like why, he's like,

2561
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,359
because you're messing up the local eco type, Like you're

2562
01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:42,039
gonna mess.

2563
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,079
Speaker 1: Up the wild seed. Like, bro, there's none in the

2564
01:53:44,119 --> 01:53:46,079
fucking wild. I found them all in my.

2565
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 2: But you're you're planting thing. You're planting a plant that's

2566
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:52,159
native to California. What was this issue that it was

2567
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:53,560
one hundred miles away?

2568
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: He says, I was encouraging.

2569
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 3: He was trying to act like it's bad to encourage

2570
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:58,359
people to grow where.

2571
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it was occasion, I take it, right. Yeah,

2572
01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:08,640
Caucasians in California you probably, oh, yeah, those are well.

2573
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:10,399
There was another thing too, like a lot of like

2574
01:54:10,399 --> 01:54:15,720
the Caucasians, the Caucasian California syndrome, like the Caucasian liberal California.

2575
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:16,279
Speaker 1: That's what they do.

2576
01:54:16,399 --> 01:54:19,399
Speaker 2: They need a reason to lecture and you know, finger

2577
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:21,960
waged people, and it's just it's just a compulsion. They

2578
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,479
think they're like changing the world by doing it and

2579
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,079
just being cunty, and it pisses people off. And it's

2580
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,279
you know, it's like it's it's a common thing. It's

2581
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,640
just now it doesn't bother me anymore because I I

2582
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,640
have identified it, like, oh yeah, that's just that's what

2583
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,159
Like people in Berkeley do I get it now? It's okay,

2584
01:54:38,479 --> 01:54:41,640
the rich kids from northern California, it's that they need.

2585
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,239
It's they don't even know they're doing it, probably right,

2586
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:47,680
they're just like finger wagging and it's but yeah, it's

2587
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:52,319
it's fucking insufferable, man. It's it's uh, you know, it's

2588
01:54:52,479 --> 01:54:54,399
it's and it's predictable.

2589
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 1: So always predictable.

2590
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,359
Speaker 2: I agree, But that's that's it turns people off too.

2591
01:54:59,439 --> 01:55:01,159
Speaker 1: Man. I don't know all about it.

2592
01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's like learn some fucking people skills,

2593
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,600
you know, where if you existed in your own social

2594
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:09,439
bubble for so long, you forgot how to like, you know, uh,

2595
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:15,600
attract people to your cause. You know, actually actually you

2596
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:16,920
should be doing it this way.

2597
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 1: But that's nuts.

2598
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:21,079
Speaker 2: What that hibiscus that hibiscus is native. That's a native species.

2599
01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:21,920
You know, what's he.

2600
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 1: Want to Yeah, what does he want?

2601
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,279
Speaker 2: He wants to be like ten miles away from you

2602
01:55:25,399 --> 01:55:27,520
instead of fucking one hundred and fifty Like who gives

2603
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:27,840
a shit?

2604
01:55:28,479 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

2605
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 3: I was just getting so confused off at his points

2606
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,880
because I didn't like tell him, but I'm like, dude,

2607
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,159
these are seats I collected from a while playing a

2608
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:37,239
few years ago in my area that I grew them,

2609
01:55:37,279 --> 01:55:39,800
that took seats from my house, like I'm keeping the

2610
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,880
g the local eco tags. I don't know what the

2611
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:43,119
fuck you're talking about.

2612
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:47,039
Speaker 2: Just so you knew, just so you knew, they always say,

2613
01:55:47,079 --> 01:55:48,399
like just so you knew.

2614
01:55:49,279 --> 01:55:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't stand trying to be rude, but

2615
01:55:52,319 --> 01:55:55,359
I think I should tell you this. Yeah, oh god yeah.

2616
01:55:55,359 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 2: And they're always fucking quiet too, And it was, you know,

2617
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,000
those are the people like whatever, man, don't get me started.

2618
01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:03,000
It's like those are the people I have. I fucking

2619
01:56:03,079 --> 01:56:05,800
have fun fucking with those people, you know, because they're

2620
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,119
so reserved and quiet, and I'm just like, you know,

2621
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:10,159
they don't know what to do.

2622
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: They're like a.

2623
01:56:12,479 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 2: Violence not even like you shout at those people. They

2624
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,880
tell you're being violent, right, and then they're gonna lecture you.

2625
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:21,680
They're gonna lecture you about whatever. Yeah, whatever, And they're

2626
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:22,399
not even worth pantings.

2627
01:56:22,479 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 3: And they always respond like, why are you responding so

2628
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:27,359
angrily even if you're not being angry trying to explain

2629
01:56:27,399 --> 01:56:28,039
it full to them?

2630
01:56:28,239 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Why are you typing so much if you're not angry,

2631
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,560
Why are you typing so much? Pitch, I'm trying to

2632
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:32,039
teach you.

2633
01:56:33,319 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, man, they're they're just they're they're

2634
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,439
fucking oh god, it's so gross. It's just so fucking

2635
01:56:40,439 --> 01:56:42,960
they they got to be plants, you know, they're like

2636
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,840
CIA plants to their cause or something exact. Especially when

2637
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,760
you get them in like anything political. They're just so

2638
01:56:48,319 --> 01:56:51,439
and they have no class consciousness. They're all fucking up

2639
01:56:51,439 --> 01:56:53,399
each other's asses. They're all like rich kids who went

2640
01:56:53,399 --> 01:56:54,920
to school for too long, and they're all up each other.

2641
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:56,239
Speaker 1: See, I'm getting heated right now.

2642
01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 2: I gott to tone it down, Like I'm gonna go

2643
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:02,960
fucking find dried dog shit and put it in these

2644
01:57:03,039 --> 01:57:06,840
kids mailboxes or these people. Yeah, grind it into a

2645
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,479
fine powder and a and a coffee grinder, and then

2646
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,399
you know, make it into some sort of powdered form

2647
01:57:12,399 --> 01:57:16,079
and just like with a blowgun it but.

2648
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:19,439
Speaker 1: In Oakland, so you got to deal with way more

2649
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:20,199
the me too.

2650
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was those are the people that ruined my neighborhood.

2651
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,279
They move in, they think they're they think they're they're legit,

2652
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:27,439
and okay, because they put a sign in the window,

2653
01:57:27,479 --> 01:57:29,800
we're allies now. Like now you're still like a rich

2654
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,800
twat that you know is making it hotter for everyone

2655
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,800
else here. He just wants to live in peace. Shut up.

2656
01:57:35,319 --> 01:57:39,640
But but with with that hibiscus though, that hibiscus species

2657
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,880
was God. I was so fucking into it for a while.

2658
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,119
I remember we got a kayak, me and my my

2659
01:57:44,199 --> 01:57:47,560
friend Raquel, we got a kayak and we I forget

2660
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,119
where we put into the Delta, but we we we

2661
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:53,239
launched out there and we were looking for this hibiscus

2662
01:57:53,279 --> 01:57:55,880
species and we fucking found it. We found like one

2663
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:59,960
plant after paddling around for like three hours and just

2664
01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:04,000
seeing invasive bullshit in the arundo and that BlackBerry, and

2665
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,319
we found one plant like two or three feet tall,

2666
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,840
and it was on this little island in the Delta,

2667
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:14,720
and we put the the kayak there. It was like

2668
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,720
a floatable sit on top kayak. And then we were

2669
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,800
we were like messing around on the on the little

2670
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:23,039
island looking for stuff. And we came back and I

2671
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:26,600
hadn't tied the kayak up enough and it had floated away.

2672
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:28,600
It was like one hundred and fifty feet out into

2673
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:29,560
the delta.

2674
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, fuck.

2675
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 2: I fucking took my pants off and just jumped in

2676
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,680
the water and went and pedaled out to it. And

2677
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,279
I guess when I was out there, you know, because

2678
01:58:39,319 --> 01:58:42,239
there's sea lions out there, they'll come further up the delta.

2679
01:58:42,399 --> 01:58:46,079
And she's like, yeah, yeah, she was like, this sea

2680
01:58:46,119 --> 01:58:48,000
lion popped its head up when you were out there,

2681
01:58:48,039 --> 01:58:49,840
and I was worried. It was because they can fuck

2682
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:53,560
you up if you get too close, the sea lion

2683
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,000
will fuck you up. But anyway, but I went and

2684
01:58:56,039 --> 01:58:58,039
got this thing, and yeah, it was good, you know

2685
01:58:58,079 --> 01:59:01,359
because that gid like I get a little phobic around uh,

2686
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,560
you know, dark water that you can't see the bottom end,

2687
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,079
you know, and y it was fucking especially when there's

2688
01:59:07,079 --> 01:59:10,039
plant life around and ship. But yeah, yeah it was funny.

2689
01:59:10,039 --> 01:59:11,880
But yeah, we found that one. We found that one

2690
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:14,039
or two hibiscus, you know what else is cool out

2691
01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:16,760
there is that? Have you seen that evening primrose? That

2692
01:59:17,079 --> 01:59:20,560
Antioch Dunes evening primrose? It grows all throughout like the

2693
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:22,680
shores of the Delta wherever they're sin. Have you seen

2694
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,279
that thing before?

2695
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: No, I have it. I know what you're talking about.

2696
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:27,279
I haven't seen it, and I haven't seen the sweet

2697
01:59:27,239 --> 01:59:28,640
peas either, the rare sweet peas.

2698
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:33,199
Speaker 2: You should get seed Annie's annuals, the nursery in Richmond.

2699
01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:34,760
I don't know if they still do. I think it's

2700
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:37,600
changed the ownership, but they used to sell that evening primrose.

2701
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,119
You know, it's a fucking dope big white flower smells

2702
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:43,359
like jazmine, opens at night, it's pollinated by moths, and

2703
01:59:43,399 --> 01:59:45,760
they would sell that because they're easy as fuck to

2704
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,079
grow from seed. There's no reason it should be endangered.

2705
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:52,560
But the reason yeah, but yeah, and we get big

2706
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,600
as fuck. I grew them on my illegal garden at

2707
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:56,479
Mandela Parkway for a while. The can get like three

2708
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:59,399
feet wide by like eighteen inches tall, and just you know,

2709
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:04,159
fifty white flowers the size of baseballs that open at night.

2710
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:07,600
And there's no reason it should be in danger because

2711
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:10,560
it's so easy to grow and every flower produces you know,

2712
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,800
a little follicle fruit that's got you know, fucking however,

2713
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:16,880
many seeds and thousands of seeds. But the habitat is

2714
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:20,199
you know, the invasive species and then just agriculture of

2715
02:00:20,279 --> 02:00:24,439
just fuck the habitat and so, but there's still spots

2716
02:00:24,439 --> 02:00:26,880
where you can find it. Like after a rain throughout

2717
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,079
the delta, there was one spot right over I think

2718
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:31,000
it was near Benizia. I forget where it was. But

2719
02:00:31,239 --> 02:00:34,479
these sandy areas, you know, where the sand that's accumulated

2720
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:37,079
from the Sierra Nevada is weathering down one hundred and

2721
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:40,920
fifty miles to the east, has washed up and accumulated

2722
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:42,920
right there at the delta, and so that's created the

2723
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,000
substrate for this really cool.

2724
02:00:45,079 --> 02:00:46,079
Speaker 1: That's such a mind fuck.

2725
02:00:46,199 --> 02:00:48,359
Speaker 2: Oh not, there's a species. Yeah, you should go find it. Man,

2726
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:51,920
it's dope, and you collect seeds like it's super easy

2727
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:56,039
to grow. So I'm so they don't need sand. They

2728
02:00:56,119 --> 02:00:58,079
grow in sand, but they don't need sand. They were

2729
02:00:58,199 --> 02:01:00,680
I was growing the ones on Mendela Parkway and like

2730
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:04,439
shitty old landfill, you know, decomposing concrete and glace.

2731
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,199
Speaker 1: Huh, whoa, that's sick.

2732
02:01:07,359 --> 02:01:09,560
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna try to grow that then, because I

2733
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:11,560
don't know, I love collecting seats. That's the other thing

2734
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,560
that my girlfriend loves you now too, is collecting seat

2735
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:15,079
It's funny.

2736
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, growing sh it's fun, man. And then especially when

2737
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,680
you you can put it in the ground and watch

2738
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,560
this like habitackt create and all this cool shit show up,

2739
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:25,760
like cool fucking insects and birds and shit.

2740
02:01:26,359 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2741
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 3: My neighbors always asking me like why, They're like, you

2742
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:32,039
garden so much. I always see your planets, so they're like,

2743
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:32,720
why do you.

2744
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:33,319
Speaker 1: Like this so much?

2745
02:01:33,359 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, I grew up in Elkgrove, California, where I

2746
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,319
couldn't even plant a lettuce in my backyard without getting

2747
02:01:38,479 --> 02:01:39,920
right to get kicked out, you know what I mean,

2748
02:01:40,079 --> 02:01:42,560
from the hure ways, and because we were renting. So

2749
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:44,359
once we moved here with land, I'm like, bitch, I'm

2750
02:01:44,399 --> 02:01:45,880
growing anything I could grow.

2751
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:49,319
Speaker 1: It's freeing.

2752
02:01:50,199 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 2: Well, so because it's fucking great. I remember I was

2753
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,960
a bike messenger in San Francisco like twenty years ago,

2754
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,680
and I worked with this cholo dude who it just

2755
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:00,439
got out of prison. I remember talking to him once

2756
02:02:00,479 --> 02:02:03,319
and he was like he was telling me about when

2757
02:02:03,399 --> 02:02:05,000
when he went to jail, and she never told me

2758
02:02:05,039 --> 02:02:08,640
what it was for, but he was like fifty at

2759
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:09,960
the time, and he was like, man, I just want

2760
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,479
to I don't even want to work this job. I

2761
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:15,319
hate this job. I just want to go, like, you know,

2762
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:17,600
you know, work in my garden, man. That's all I want.

2763
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:17,800
Speaker 1: You know.

2764
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 2: He was like this big tough dude with the you know,

2765
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:21,600
fucking neck tattoos, and he's like, I just want to

2766
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:25,079
go work in my garden man. And and I was.

2767
02:02:25,159 --> 02:02:26,800
I remember thinking about it. I was like, yeah, like,

2768
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,359
what the fuck. That's a fucking cool Like I wish

2769
02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:32,880
more people, you know, obviously this dude's been through some shit.

2770
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,720
And I think the reason that it was so I mean,

2771
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,800
the same reason it's so rejuvenating for so many people is,

2772
02:02:39,399 --> 02:02:41,560
you know, it was like he'd he'd had a fucked

2773
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:43,119
up life, he'd been through a lot of crazy shit,

2774
02:02:43,159 --> 02:02:45,119
he'd spent a lot of time in the can, and

2775
02:02:45,159 --> 02:02:47,279
then it was it just made him feel good to

2776
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:49,720
be around growing things and being you know, it was

2777
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:51,760
like as close to nature as he was able to

2778
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:56,119
get since he didn't live he lived in the city. Yeah,

2779
02:02:56,359 --> 02:02:59,239
that's a human compulsion. That's a human compulsion. That's what

2780
02:02:59,319 --> 02:03:02,199
we've been been that for you know, a million years

2781
02:03:02,279 --> 02:03:05,319
or more ever since we've been a species. Right, It's

2782
02:03:05,359 --> 02:03:07,560
like it's yeah, it's within us. You take people out

2783
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:09,680
of that and they don't have any access that anymore,

2784
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:11,319
starts to fuck them up. They may not know it,

2785
02:03:11,359 --> 02:03:13,680
but it starts to fuck them up. Take away the nature,

2786
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:14,920
it starts to fuck people up.

2787
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I think there's so many issues

2788
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:21,000
from us just being in concrete. We all were all

2789
02:03:21,039 --> 02:03:23,880
just in boxes all day. A house, a car, abuilding,

2790
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:25,800
They're all just little boxes everywhere.

2791
02:03:28,479 --> 02:03:29,239
Speaker 1: It is brutal.

2792
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:32,000
Speaker 3: I've been like there's so many people like and say,

2793
02:03:32,039 --> 02:03:34,319
like you're a rich person in the Bay Area or something.

2794
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:38,119
You see like these tribal people in the Amazon or Africa,

2795
02:03:38,279 --> 02:03:39,880
they get like, oh my god, I feel so bad

2796
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:40,199
for them.

2797
02:03:40,199 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 1: They're probably happier than you, bro in my opinion, at

2798
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,600
least living their life.

2799
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,560
Speaker 3: Like if your whole life is just you know, hunting

2800
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:51,079
and sporing, nature survival.

2801
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,560
Speaker 2: And everything they need is supplied there, you know, the

2802
02:03:54,039 --> 02:03:55,760
hambitat hasn't been fucked up.

2803
02:03:55,720 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 1: Or no jobs, nothing you trade Like that sounds way more,

2804
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:01,479
what are you grow?

2805
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:03,319
Speaker 2: So you're growing a bunch of stuff in your yard?

2806
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:04,399
I remember you were sending me.

2807
02:04:04,520 --> 02:04:08,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I grow a lot of stuff in my yard,

2808
02:04:08,279 --> 02:04:09,680
like plant native plants.

2809
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,039
Speaker 1: I got like some fruit trees and bananas in too.

2810
02:04:12,079 --> 02:04:15,239
But I like my lawn last year. I like my

2811
02:04:15,279 --> 02:04:15,960
wildflower A long.

2812
02:04:16,079 --> 02:04:18,359
Speaker 3: We have fifty eight different species and this year we're

2813
02:04:18,359 --> 02:04:21,720
gonna try to give the seventy.

2814
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:24,439
Speaker 1: It's fun, dude. Well, like I said, my grand got

2815
02:04:24,439 --> 02:04:26,439
a property like that. It was like an acre when

2816
02:04:26,439 --> 02:04:29,399
she was like a long time agoes is that property

2817
02:04:29,439 --> 02:04:31,560
is still cheap and it's not in a rich area,

2818
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,159
and it's on it's just like land. I guess I

2819
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,439
don't know. You know, three cornered garlic. You know what

2820
02:04:37,479 --> 02:04:37,800
that is?

2821
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:39,439
Speaker 2: No, what's it?

2822
02:04:39,439 --> 02:04:42,800
Speaker 1: It's an invasive onion species. Her whole backyard is basically

2823
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:45,039
invasive onions that I've been ripping out for like the

2824
02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:47,560
last eight years. But the good think about onions, though,

2825
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:48,680
is once you get the ball bout, you know what

2826
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,039
I mean, it's not going to come back other than

2827
02:04:50,039 --> 02:04:52,159
the seeds, and you can give rid of that. Yeah.

2828
02:04:52,279 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 3: But so I there's areas in Lawana that's all high

2829
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:58,079
biscus and then I have a bunch of lilies, a

2830
02:04:58,119 --> 02:05:02,479
bunch of cal cortis. It's fund and I also because

2831
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:06,039
my long fun Yeah, it's like, as I always tell

2832
02:05:06,079 --> 02:05:09,279
people that plan a fucking state park or national park

2833
02:05:09,279 --> 02:05:11,319
in your yard, like all these people saying they that

2834
02:05:11,479 --> 02:05:13,319
all these people going to like super booms and laying

2835
02:05:13,359 --> 02:05:19,399
on them and fucking everything up, And I'm like.

2836
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,520
Speaker 1: You, like.

2837
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:24,119
Speaker 2: California influencer with the yeah, the heavy face filter and

2838
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:26,439
the fucking wide brand of hat, going to lay down

2839
02:05:26,439 --> 02:05:29,840
in some flowers. And it's such a Yeah, that's such

2840
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:31,239
a thing.

2841
02:05:31,399 --> 02:05:35,159
Speaker 1: Man. There's there's a Hall of Funny Vice article about

2842
02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:37,600
it that you should watch. I did superlo man.

2843
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,079
Speaker 2: The last time I did acid or the main I

2844
02:05:40,119 --> 02:05:41,520
think it was the last. I can't remember when I

2845
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:43,479
last did it. No, that's not true. One of the

2846
02:05:43,479 --> 02:05:45,960
first times I really did acid, though, was that Carrizo

2847
02:05:46,039 --> 02:05:50,319
plane in a massive wildflower. Oh fuck. It was life changing.

2848
02:05:50,359 --> 02:05:52,600
And we had found this spot on like up in

2849
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:55,039
the on the other side of the hills where nobody

2850
02:05:55,119 --> 02:05:57,319
else showed up the whole day. We dropped acid like

2851
02:05:57,319 --> 02:06:01,000
ten in the morning, uh till and we didn't come

2852
02:06:01,039 --> 02:06:03,600
down to like eight, you know, and it was just

2853
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:06,560
looking out at like I think it was monolopia, and

2854
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:08,520
I forget what the species were. I'd have to look,

2855
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,159
but they were a fucking there to be five million

2856
02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:15,199
flowers on these undulating hills in front of us, with

2857
02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:18,000
these incredible clouds. It was just this beautiful spring day.

2858
02:06:18,079 --> 02:06:20,359
This was my friend Ivy and my friend Tara. Yeah,

2859
02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:23,359
it was fucking nuts, man. And I just remember and

2860
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:27,560
like looking at the cause it's all these uplifted marine

2861
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,520
sediments from like the last few million years. They're not

2862
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,359
that old. I remember looking at these road cuts and

2863
02:06:33,479 --> 02:06:35,960
just being you know, it was like hitting me, like wow,

2864
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,199
this shit I'm looking at was like out in the

2865
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:42,279
ocean five million years ago, like in a near shore environment,

2866
02:06:42,279 --> 02:06:44,920
and got uplifted by thousands of earthquakes, and now it's

2867
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:49,880
here with all these like you know, millions of flowers

2868
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:51,640
that are just going off and they're all going to

2869
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:53,880
be gone in three months, you know, because they're annuals.

2870
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:56,600
And it was so fucking cool because it's you go

2871
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:58,800
to Corrizo Plane when it's not blooming and it's just

2872
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:02,039
it looks quote like a barren wasteland, right and yea

2873
02:07:02,479 --> 02:07:04,720
with one of someone from the Square community might call

2874
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:08,520
a barren wasteland. But then all those seeds, all those

2875
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,039
plants are still alive. They're just in seed form, laying

2876
02:07:11,079 --> 02:07:12,960
in the in the sediments.

2877
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:13,199
Speaker 1: You know.

2878
02:07:13,359 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 4: Right there, it's just waving.

2879
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,239
Speaker 2: Have you you've been there before?

2880
02:07:16,319 --> 02:07:19,399
Speaker 1: Right? No? I haven't. I want to go so bad.

2881
02:07:19,479 --> 02:07:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah it's so cool. You might have trouble getting to

2882
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:24,760
some of the higher spots than the civic, but but yeah,

2883
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:28,800
I don't know, there's still plenty. I have a Takoma now,

2884
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,359
but I mean I need to I don't. I tried

2885
02:07:31,359 --> 02:07:33,159
to not get a truck for so long because I

2886
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:35,119
was I just was, you know, cheap with the gas.

2887
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,359
I was like, I want to fucking pay because you

2888
02:07:37,439 --> 02:07:39,880
only need the four wheel drive in high clearance when

2889
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,680
you're out in the spot, when you're on the freeway,

2890
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,920
you're just it's pointless, you know. But but yeah, I mean,

2891
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:48,039
I I like get vehicles and I just beat the

2892
02:07:48,039 --> 02:07:50,159
ship out of them for six or seven years until

2893
02:07:50,199 --> 02:07:53,239
they fail and then I resell them or whatever and

2894
02:07:53,239 --> 02:07:55,479
then have to get a new one. I don't understand

2895
02:07:55,479 --> 02:07:57,560
there's people to get these trucks and like are afraid

2896
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:59,800
to scratch it, and it's kind of fucking you fucking

2897
02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:04,600
know all right, Princess, Yeah, you get a truck to

2898
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:07,479
you know, it's like that. It's it's like you know,

2899
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:10,239
your own piece of art. You get a blank canvas

2900
02:08:10,279 --> 02:08:12,840
when it's new, and then you slowly painted with scratches,

2901
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:15,640
dings and dents for the next how many years you

2902
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:17,239
personalize it.

2903
02:08:17,399 --> 02:08:19,560
Speaker 1: I hell, I need to get a truck or something eventually.

2904
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:22,479
Speaker 3: I like having the gas stuff, but there's so many

2905
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:27,560
places like in like Plumus County, Lasson County areas where

2906
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:30,199
like I can't get without like parking on the side

2907
02:08:30,199 --> 02:08:32,319
of the road at hiking for like five hours to

2908
02:08:32,319 --> 02:08:34,239
get somewhere where I could park if I had a truck.

2909
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I did for years until I

2910
02:08:37,079 --> 02:08:39,159
finally got one. And I before I got a truck,

2911
02:08:39,159 --> 02:08:40,800
I was like, I'll just get a CRV because it's

2912
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,560
a Hanna so it's still good on gas. And then

2913
02:08:43,239 --> 02:08:45,319
I just would I was taking a thing where it

2914
02:08:45,359 --> 02:08:47,119
wasn't meant to go, and I just I fucked up

2915
02:08:47,119 --> 02:08:51,039
a couple of vehicles. Like yeah, but uh yeah, man,

2916
02:08:51,079 --> 02:08:54,720
it's you've taken your your civic into some gnarly places

2917
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:55,479
though and gotten away.

2918
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, Like I think I told you this before,

2919
02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:01,199
but they found like a in my oil plant before,

2920
02:09:01,319 --> 02:09:01,920
like dent it.

2921
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:07,199
Speaker 2: In Jesus, so like it like javelin through the.

2922
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:10,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't leaking too bad. Yeah, it wasn't leaking

2923
02:09:10,439 --> 02:09:12,119
too bad though, Like it was like a slow leak.

2924
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:14,359
And then I went to get an oil change at

2925
02:09:14,439 --> 02:09:16,359
like the local place and humble and he's like, hey,

2926
02:09:16,399 --> 02:09:17,960
you know you have a hole in a dent in

2927
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:18,600
your oil pan.

2928
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:21,359
Speaker 1: I was like, what what they do? What do you?

2929
02:09:21,399 --> 02:09:22,359
Speaker 2: What do you do to fix that?

2930
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:24,479
Speaker 1: They put like this putty ship, a bunch of putty

2931
02:09:24,479 --> 02:09:27,399
stuff in it. It looked like seal. And then when

2932
02:09:27,399 --> 02:09:29,199
I got home I fixed it. Yep.

2933
02:09:29,279 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 3: But when I got home, I just fixed it myself.

2934
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,880
Just got like it went to pick and pole took

2935
02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:34,680
one off. It's good thing about the civic. So if

2936
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:36,399
you got a pick and pole, there's like fifty of them,

2937
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:38,920
so you just take the oil pan off, putting on

2938
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:39,359
the new.

2939
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:44,600
Speaker 1: Two thousand ship the best year, the best year?

2940
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:47,439
Speaker 2: Man. How do you listen to music? You got like

2941
02:09:47,479 --> 02:09:48,880
a Bluetooth story or some ship.

2942
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.

2943
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:53,720
Speaker 2: Damn that ship doesn't get jacked.

2944
02:09:55,039 --> 02:09:57,600
Speaker 1: No, I think it's it's a piece of ship.

2945
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:00,279
Speaker 3: Well, like I love it, but like, yeah, I don't

2946
02:10:00,319 --> 02:10:02,159
think it's worth it when you see the car, Like

2947
02:10:02,199 --> 02:10:03,640
if I was like a robber person, I.

2948
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:06,199
Speaker 1: Like, there's probably like the crack.

2949
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,159
Speaker 3: Pipe in there and a bunch of cans.

2950
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 2: Somebody stole my prelude when I had it, I was

2951
02:10:13,039 --> 02:10:15,199
living in Oakland, and I think they just used it

2952
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:17,039
to commit a felony. And then I found it parked

2953
02:10:17,039 --> 02:10:19,479
around the black like a week later. All right, oh

2954
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:22,600
my god, I just needed to borrow it, okay, whatever,

2955
02:10:23,279 --> 02:10:25,920
you know. And then but then I had to call

2956
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:28,960
the cops because I reported it stolen. But then I

2957
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,880
had to call the cops before I could drive it again. Actually,

2958
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:34,159
I think I drove for a while before, because you know,

2959
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:37,000
if you're in it when it's stolen, if they see

2960
02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:39,359
a plate, they run the plates, and it's a stolen vehicle,

2961
02:10:39,359 --> 02:10:42,159
they automatically pull you over at gunpoint, right.

2962
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that.

2963
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,000
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm gonna get pulled over in

2964
02:10:45,039 --> 02:10:47,119
my own car by the fucking you know.

2965
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:50,640
Speaker 3: That would be hilarious though, the dad lord telling your

2966
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:51,960
kid about that when she's older.

2967
02:10:52,279 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 1: We tell you. At the time I was driving my

2968
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,760
own stolen car.

2969
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:57,960
Speaker 2: I got so many crazy stories to tell her.

2970
02:10:58,039 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait, but unlimited.

2971
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 2: Well man, yeah, check out I own and check out

2972
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:06,560
the timbered Crater and all that, and keep educating to

2973
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:08,720
zoomers about plants to please.

2974
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:08,960
Speaker 1: Man.

2975
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:12,159
Speaker 2: It's it's it's really nice to see more people getting

2976
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:14,199
into this stuff. And I appreciate what you do.

2977
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:16,159
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you do too.

2978
02:11:16,199 --> 02:11:19,439
Speaker 2: Really, we'll hang out when I'm next time I come

2979
02:11:19,479 --> 02:11:19,960
out there.

2980
02:11:20,199 --> 02:11:23,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll try to head out that way sometime too,

2981
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:25,840
because I would really love to go see Texas.

2982
02:11:25,399 --> 02:11:28,279
Speaker 1: At Alabama with like Kyle. Kyle makes Alabama.

2983
02:11:28,319 --> 02:11:31,039
Speaker 2: Look, there's some really cool stuff out there. Yeah, there's

2984
02:11:31,079 --> 02:11:33,479
some really cool shit out there. You should definitely check

2985
02:11:33,479 --> 02:11:34,960
it out. And then yeah, if you come out here, yeah,

2986
02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:36,680
hit me up. I mean, I'm I go back and

2987
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:40,359
forth between South and West Texas, so perfect, all right, brother,

2988
02:11:40,399 --> 02:11:43,239
all right, we the take care and uh yeah, man,

2989
02:11:43,239 --> 02:11:45,359
I don't know if there's anything else. I guess people

2990
02:11:45,359 --> 02:11:48,319
can always just check you out on uh TikTok and

2991
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:50,039
Insta sham and whatever else.

2992
02:11:50,119 --> 02:11:52,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just remember fuck permaculture.

2993
02:11:54,279 --> 02:11:56,840
Speaker 2: It's well intentioned, it gets people in the door, you know,

2994
02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:00,279
it's I got a couple of ideological flaws in it

2995
02:12:00,359 --> 02:12:01,439
as it existed, but yeah.

2996
02:12:01,279 --> 02:12:02,079
Speaker 4: All right, all right.

2997
02:12:02,439 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 2: Takes a lot of sacked food, forced everybody, all right,

2998
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:05,000
go funk

2999
02:12:05,159 --> 02:12:06,840
Speaker 1: Up by man hit my bite.