WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:39.000 All right, welcome everybody. We're back with my good buddy 2 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:42.719 David Patrick Harry, who is now doctor David Patrick Harry. 3 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:48.240 Don't you dare fail to leave out that PhD. He's 4 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:52.240 got the ability to write dissertations, he can do surgeries. 5 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.320 He's a doctor now he can do it all. Just kidding. Congratulations, 6 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.479 doctor d Thanks brother. 7 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.119 I appreciate that. You know, it's been in a long 8 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.280 time in the making, and I remember talking to you 9 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.840 back in like twenty twenty one twenty two about and 10 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.560 I changed my dissertation topic so I had to basically 11 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.519 restart after doing all the research to start on one 12 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.040 which is actually going to tie with today's stream because 13 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.239 the initially I was going to do one on the 14 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:21.400 history of psychedelic mysticism, which then got changed to transhumanism. 15 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.959 So finally glad to be done with that and pretty 16 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.680 anxious to finally get that published and have an actual 17 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.640 physical book to sell and go along with some of 18 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.959 my research and work. So I appreciate the congratulations and 19 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.239 thanks for having me on to it. I really appreciate it. 20 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:42.719 Yeah, I caught the debate that you guys had as 21 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.840 your sort of panel debate with your Gnostic dude, And 22 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:50.079 I was just realizing how like it seems like gnostics 23 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.840 and cult leaders like they all kind of drift in 24 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.000 the domain of looking more and more like Manson. They 25 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.560 all kind of like take they do a Manson vibe 26 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:58.239 and aesthetic. 27 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.480 Yeah, he was convince it's that, you know, the whole 28 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:04.560 Rigman role that Jesus was a mushroom, which comes out 29 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.920 of John Marco Allegro's book. It's like the Sacred Mushrooms. 30 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.439 When you said that, I was going to ask you 31 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.319 about Allegro. But we'll get to that here in a 32 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:11.639 little bit. 33 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.159 Yeah, okay, Yeah, well I'll save it from when we 34 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:15.800 get to it then. 35 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.639 Yeah, well before we get to before we get to 36 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.520 all that. So, uh, you know, you've had a pretty wild, 37 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:26.120 uh exciting journey. I mean you had, you know, time 38 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.599 that you spent overseas. You were in China for a 39 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:34.280 long time. Did you get into a lot of like 40 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.599 did you study kind of Eastern Eastern philosophy during that 41 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:38.520 period in your life? 42 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.479 Yeah? Uh, during my undergrad so I grew up kind 43 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.280 of like conservative Methodist, and I remember I took a 44 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.400 Bible course at my university during undergrad and it was 45 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.639 by a critical scholar who wasn't Christian, and so I 46 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.520 was introduced like the multiple multiple authorship theory of the 47 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.319 Gospels and the syncretism between the Epic of Gilgamesh and 48 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.439 just totally annihilated this naive methodist Christianity I grew up with. 49 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.479 And so I took another course on intro to world 50 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:11.960 religions and became really interested in Daoism, Buddhism specifically, but 51 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.159 also also Hinduism and just Eastern mysticism generally speaking. And 52 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.759 so I did to study abroad trips to southern China 53 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:26.479 at Sunyat, sin junk Shandashue and Guangzhou, and that was 54 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:31.039 really eye opening because Chinese culture is not the antiquated 55 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.159 Confucian Dallas blend that most people think. I mean, they're 56 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.400 very pragmatic, like capitalist oriented people, so they are not 57 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.599 very much interested in some of that ancient history that 58 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.199 I liked. But yeah, I spent two summers there and 59 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.840 was really interested in the Eastern mysts. At that time. 60 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.000 I was like getting into Alan Watts and that type 61 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.000 of stuff and thinking that this perennial spirituality somehow led 62 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:56.719 to like ultimate universal truth. So yeah, that was a 63 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:58.599 go ahead, No. 64 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:00.240 I mean, yeah, I was just trying to refrain, rushed 65 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.639 myself on. I know you spent time over there, and 66 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.199 I remember you saying that when you came back, you know, 67 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:11.039 you realized, like this wasn't really the the mysticism that 68 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.479 I expected it to be. The Chinese people weren't really 69 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.000 that into it that you said. They were very pragmatic 70 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.720 and basically kind of a pretty much just capitalist for 71 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.360 the most part, I guess, but uh, how and then 72 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.120 you and then you kind of got more into focusing 73 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.920 academically on writing originally on shrooms or you said you 74 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.439 changed the original thesis. What did it change from? 75 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.000 So? Uh that was during undergrad and I finished the 76 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.040 capstone project was on theories of magic. So I was 77 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.560 interested in the ways in which some of the founders 78 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.240 of the field of religious studies began to categor categorize 79 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:52.480 the difference between magic and religion and science. That was 80 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.360 a you know, uh, Frasier and Taylor and those types 81 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:01.439 of guys, those early sociologists Durkheim. And during my master's degree, 82 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:04.680 which was at the University of Illinois, I was deeply 83 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:10.759 embedded into the psychoonot psychedelic mysticism worldview, Terence McKinnon, Timothy Leary, 84 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:16.120 Robert Anton Wilson, you know, all those same characters. And 85 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.160 during the master's program, I worked with an early Christian 86 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.720 scholar and focused on really gnosticism and hermeticism during the 87 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.079 time of the kind of the first three hundred years 88 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:29.040 of Christianity and looking at that cultural malu And then 89 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.319 there was a Native American scholar doctor treat at the 90 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.399 University of Illinois, and with him I did a research 91 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.519 project on like psychedelic shamanism, and at that time I 92 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:45.879 was completely convinced of this sort of perennial, hermetic, magical, 93 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.040 psychedelic worldview. But that my time there, especially working with 94 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.720 the early Christian scholar, is that he told me one 95 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:55.120 time he spent like a whole year, year and a 96 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.480 half writing an article, and I was asking him about 97 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.079 it during office hours. He's like, yeah, I essentially write this. 98 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.399 There's one other scholar in Europe then they study the 99 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.519 exact same thing, and he spends all this time to 100 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.199 write articles, and essentially it's just a handful of other 101 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.240 academics around the world that are even engaging in that conversation. 102 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.439 And I realized damn that your whole career is just 103 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.160 doing research for like three or four other people to 104 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.439 actually interpret and understand. I thought, Man, I don't want 105 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.040 to do any historical scholarship. It seems kind of boring. 106 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.279 And so when I applied for the PhD program, initially 107 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.600 I got accepted to study people who are spiritual but 108 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.759 not religious and why they appropriate certain symbols. So anybody 109 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.759 who's familiar with the rise of the nuns inne that's 110 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.839 not in u n Those are people that when they 111 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.040 fill out a Pew Research Center like religious demographic in 112 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.040 the United States, they fill out the very bottom selection, 113 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:52.240 which is none of the above, and that incorporates atheists, agnostics, 114 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.839 but mostly people who are spiritual not religious, which is 115 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.120 like eighty five percent of that cohort. So the majority 116 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.319 of the people who are nuns people who identify as 117 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.319 I'm spiritual but I'm not religious. And I think it 118 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.560 was twenty eighteen that that non category became the and 119 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.519 they differentiate Protestant from Catholicism, but it became the like 120 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.120 thirty eight percent, like the biggest single demographic in the 121 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.759 Pew Research Center, And so it was a kind of 122 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.839 a hot topic that's why I got accepted for it. 123 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:26.160 And during that period I actually read this book right 124 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.199 here of the Psychedelic Gospels, which is going to come 125 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.399 up in our conversation. And actually doctor Jerry Brown was 126 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.920 on my PhD committee. So the people that were on 127 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.600 my PhD committee had to a you know, very different 128 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.839 They weren't Orthodox Christians, they had different interpretations of stuff. 129 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.839 But what his research did was basically show that these 130 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:48.160 frescoes that arrive really from the late nine hundreds and 131 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.279 into the very early thirteen hundreds depicted like this weird 132 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:57.600 mushroom relationship with Christ and people during that time really 133 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.680 began to argue, based on John Marco Legro and tying 134 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.800 all this stuff, well, look, this is evidence that Christianity 135 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.639 used magic mushrooms. And at that time I had a 136 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.759 previous YouTube channel promoting psychedelics and so I thought, oh, 137 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.720 that's great. Well, even as a psychoanod when I read 138 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.519 the book and then did a research paper on that topic, 139 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.839 I came to the conclusion that this really wasn't connected 140 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:22.720 with historical Christianity. I wasn't even a Christian at the time. 141 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:24.879 What it was tied to was the resurgence of a 142 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.480 gnostic heresy that came from the East and entered into 143 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.440 southern France, the Cathars, the Albagensians, and so where they 144 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.879 were finding a lot of this evidence, be it in 145 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:40.080 Germany and France, northern Italy and even places in Turkey. 146 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.639 There were always around these sort of gnostic heresies. So 147 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.080 I wrote a paper not arguing that it was the 148 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:51.480 historical Eucharist, but actually there were Gnostic practices, and that 149 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.480 led to another research paper I wrote trying to look 150 00:08:54.519 --> 00:09:01.159 at gnostic sects like the Carpocrations and the Borbarites, who 151 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.039 were actually engaging in explicit psychedelic and deberating use for 152 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:11.360 these magical gnostic initiation purposes. So from there I thought, man, 153 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.360 I bet because I was familiar with at least Eastern 154 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:19.080 Orthodoxy having icons. I thought, man with all those icons, 155 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.039 because when you look at some of the evidence here 156 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:26.159 it is sort of iconographic if you will, Like this 157 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.120 is in this right here is the depiction of Adam 158 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.679 and Eve at the bottom of the Jesse tree in Hildesheim, Germany, 159 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.000 and clearly they're pulling these little white balls off and 160 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.159 eating them, which again was insinuated by the author and 161 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.480 other people have looked at it at some type of 162 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:47.480 psychedelic aminitemiscaria use. So I thought, man, I wonder if 163 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.360 Eastern Orthodoxy he's gonna have all this stuff. So I 164 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.440 took a PhD Course on the history and theology of 165 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.039 the Orthodox Church, and that didn't and so I was 166 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.240 ingratiated to Orthodoxy from that. Definitely didn't find any of 167 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:05.480 the mushrooms I found in these cathar frescoes, but became 168 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.600 aware of the worldview in the paradigm. 169 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.519 I thought, wow, that let me ask you a question. 170 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.679 Hold on, say, let me ask your question. So, just 171 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.919 for my own interest in research, I remember encountering this idea, 172 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:22.759 probably probably around twenty ten eleven twelve was the first 173 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.600 time I heard this idea, maybe a little bit early, 174 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:26.720 maybe two thousand and seven or eight, And I think 175 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.639 it was like the early early phases of like the 176 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.799 Joe Rogan remember when Joe Rogan started out and he 177 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.559 was doing podcasts on his couch and and I remember 178 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.720 them discussing this, you know, el John Lagro's book, And 179 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.039 so first question is is a Legro the first one 180 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.840 to pause of this theory or this other book that 181 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:50.759 you're talking about and second question, are they actually looking 182 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.039 at frescoes that actually have mushrooms or are they interpreting 183 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.960 the frescoes to be mushrooms? And they and but they're 184 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.919 actually you said they're fresco So how much of this, 185 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:03.960 how much of is bullshit? How much of it's reels 186 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.120 want to try to say. 187 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.320 Sure so John marcro Alegro's book, The Sacred Mushroom of 188 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.679 the Cross is first he worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls. 189 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.639 He was one of the scholars, and he was an 190 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.360 expert in Semitic languages and Samrian and stuff like that. Well, 191 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.240 apparently there was some type of problem he had with 192 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.559 some of the other scholars because they weren't presenting all 193 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.039 the translations and stuff they had found. So he wrote 194 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.840 this book arguing, based on linguistics and etymology, that Christianity 195 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.600 emerges from a mushroom fertility cold, that Jesus Christ was 196 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.480 not a historical person, that the name Jesus actually came 197 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:47.879 from a Samerian word for semen dripping mushroom, and that 198 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.679 this was the sort of origins, and that because of 199 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:55.360 the dogmatization of Christianity and the institutional forming of it, 200 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:00.679 that they cleansed the inebriating Eucharist and made it essentially 201 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.440 a sober symbol as opposed to what the or the 202 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:06.960 early Christians or some of the ancient period that they 203 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:10.000 are engaging with. So that has been totally debunked at 204 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.360 this point. That book is only regurgitated by the psychedelic 205 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.600 psychle Nott culture. There. I double checked today just looking 206 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.879 at like Academia, I cannot find a single linguist, a 207 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:25.679 single classicist, and these are atheist scholars, these aren't Christians 208 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.000 or a single religious studies scholar that that still argues 209 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.120 that John Marco Alegro's book has any validity to it. 210 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.519 I did, and I knew he was actually eventually sort 211 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.120 of kicked out of academia because he had some other 212 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.960 weird theories that he tried to push beyond just the 213 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.480 mushroom thing. But that guy that you guys had on 214 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.879 the stream, he was saying, Christ is the the mushroom 215 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.159 is the flesh of Christ, or Christ is the flesh 216 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:51.879 of God. Is that an allegro idea? 217 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.080 That is an allegro idea. Yeah, and that and and 218 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:58.320 and it's not I mean gnostics were doing that. So 219 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.360 we know for the fact that carp Create and the 220 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.519 Barbarites and some of these other groups they were claiming 221 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.840 the same thing. Now, gnosticism is kind of a dubious 222 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.440 term because there's totally there's so many different schools in 223 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.000 the ancient period, and they're competing with each other. So 224 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.080 the Valentinians and the o Fights or the Barbarites, these 225 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.720 they're not friendly per se. They're actually competing for a 226 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:22.720 sort of dominance on the Gnostic interpretation. So those things 227 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.159 were occurring. They were using aneebriating substances and claiming this 228 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.679 was like the flesh of the gods, which is actually 229 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:31.799 the title of one of McKinnon's books, The Food of 230 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.960 the Gods, which is getting back to psilocyphin much that. 231 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.559 One I've read. Now, when you were showing those pictures, 232 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.080 were you saying those were like frescoes and reliefs that 233 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.240 were Catharai reliefs that had mushrooms or they're. 234 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.960 All in the area, yeah, where the cathars were, and 235 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.639 so like some of the so this like this one 236 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.279 right here, this is the famous one in Plane Crault, France. 237 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.679 This is the depiction of Adam and Eve and it 238 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.919 clearly looks like some type of a mushroom fresco. Now, 239 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.919 the Plaine Krault Chapel, if you look into it, was 240 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.519 actually created by the Knights Hospitallers, which according to at 241 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.440 least my theory, is that many of these crusading groups, 242 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.840 including the Knights Templars, kind of rediscovered these ancient gnostic 243 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.080 heresies when they got to the Holy Land and they 244 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.639 brought them back. So this like Plane Coral Chapel was 245 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.759 built by the hospitalers and it has this really weird fresco. Now, no, 246 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.919 it's not used anymore, but this fresco you can actually 247 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.600 still go visit. Now, another church in France depicts like 248 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:33.000 this is the entrance of Christ, like his entry into Jerusalem, 249 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.080 and you can see all these guys holding what appeared 250 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.360 to be these red mushrooms and like once extending one 251 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.279 out to Christ. And then if you follow that chapel around, 252 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.440 you'll see here is this one is the purification of 253 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:47.919 Isaiah's lips, where it looks like God's handing out a 254 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.840 sort of mushroom cap. And then if you follow the 255 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.840 chapel around at the top, then it gets to the 256 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.600 towers of Jerusalem and these guys look like they're cutting 257 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.960 down mushrooms. And then at the very last depiction in 258 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.480 the chapel is the Last Supper, and of course you 259 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.080 see these same mushrooms then cut up and placed on 260 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.000 the table here. So regarding how much of it is 261 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.840 fake or how much of it is just pure interpretation, 262 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.919 and how much is their actual evidence, I would argue 263 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.159 for some of these churches, I mean, it's hard to 264 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.960 come to a different conclusion. Now, some of this other stuff, 265 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.120 you know, like the Great Canterbury Salter is used to 266 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.919 argue like the creation of plants right here is fun guy. 267 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Now I've actually looked into that and the way that 268 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.559 they're presented as fun guy is actually used in different iconography, 269 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.720 and it's not trying to depict mushrooms. It's just a 270 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.679 sort of esthetic. But the Hildesheim Chapel, as I was 271 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.240 talking to you about this one, right here on the 272 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:52.000 front doors Bishop Bernard who was head of that parish 273 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.840 in Germany, hild his Heim, Germany, the metal doors going 274 00:15:55.879 --> 00:16:01.960 into the church actually have anatomically correct psilocybin mushrooms of 275 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:07.679 that area in Germany. So I think some of it 276 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.879 is legitimate that something was going on in the historical period. 277 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.600 Of all this evidence, some of it I think is 278 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.320 dubious interpretation, claiming, oh, that's a mushroom right there, but 279 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.200 it's all within, you know, we can't I can't find 280 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.159 any evidence before like the late nine hundreds, which is 281 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:29.080 right around the time where these nostic groups. You know, 282 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.000 during the Byzantine period they hated gnostics and so if 283 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.960 you were in like say Anatolia proper, you were either 284 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.039 forced to recant your heresy and convert or you had 285 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.320 to get kicked out of the empire. And so tons 286 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.519 of these nostic groups actually begin to move towards Armenia, 287 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.240 and so you get like the tone Drachians and the Polisians, 288 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.639 and then from there eventually they they moved to Bulgaria, 289 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.759 where you get the Bogomills, and it's believed that the 290 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.759 Cathars are a form of the Boga mills that moved 291 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.080 in further into Western Europe. So the way I look 292 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.599 at as the historical progression is, you know, around the 293 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.960 Mediterranean area northern Africa ancient period, and then it moves 294 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:13.079 eastward and then eventually, through more persecution, it moves westward 295 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.000 and ends in south southern France, southern Germany and northern 296 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.160 Italy that type of area. And then during the Pope 297 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.039 Innocent the Third you have the beginning of the Inquisition 298 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:29.319 and the killing of the Albergensians for these heresies, and 299 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.279 also the leaders of the Knights Templars, which eventually then 300 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.559 go up to Scotland where Robert the Bruce accepts all 301 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.799 these Knights Templars and according to their own legends, they 302 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.519 are the founders of the Scottish Freemasonry, and that they 303 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:47.559 then institute these ancient gnostic rituals into Scottish Freemasonry. And 304 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.640 that's also echoed by Albert Pike. So that's not me 305 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.599 just making a theory. That's what these people actually claim. 306 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.680 And I have this Book of Chemically Stone, which is 307 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.720 by PD Newman, who is a Freemason and is claiming 308 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.839 the exact same thing that freemakes Newery is actually based 309 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.759 off these ancient gnostic and nebriating rituals. 310 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.440 Yeah, for those that are interested in the medieval heresies, 311 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:14.000 there's a really well known scholarly text by Malcolm Lambert 312 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.640 that some years back I read, and I took a 313 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.599 whole bunch of notes on it. If you want a 314 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.759 full sort of three hour walk through of that. You 315 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:25.400 can find that on my channel. It's called Medieval Heresies. 316 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.079 And then we go through the Boggle Mails. We go 317 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.839 through the history of the Cathariye all the way up 318 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.920 to the Waldensians, and how that Gnostic trend actually ends 319 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.160 up influencing a lot of Protestantism. But let's rewind a 320 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.799 little bit, go back to the time of those many, 321 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.119 many Gnostic sects that we were talking about. I remember 322 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.559 reading some years ago Aaronaeus is against Heresies, and in 323 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.440 the first few hundred pages he details dozens and dozens 324 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.039 and dozens of varying Gnostic sects, all kind of competing, 325 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.240 like you noted, and he does mention several of them, 326 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.000 at least a few that can recall. I remember one 327 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.079 of them is a guy named Marcus, and Marcus had 328 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.559 his own cult, and he was a ritual magician, and 329 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:14.279 he was utilizing some form of consciousness altering, inebriating substance, 330 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.039 and Internets talks about this, and when Jamie, now we're 331 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.119 on a journey to Las Vegas last year, on our 332 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:27.000 own little esoteric journey to Vegas. We read on the 333 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.240 way there, on the way back the Cambridge Companion to 334 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.880 Western mysticism and esoterism. And this isn't I'm not trying 335 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.680 to like stump you or quiz you or anything. I 336 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.160 just want to get your take on something that I 337 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.200 had not really seen before, which kind of seems like 338 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.119 it would be obvious and it's right up your alley. 339 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.319 But the person that wrote the first chapter on the 340 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:53.519 Ancient Mysteries goes into great detail discussing the the Elusinian 341 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:59.200 mysteries and the Greek esoteric cults maybe a little bit 342 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:05.039 prior to Gnostic era, the Mythra cult, and what the 343 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.720 conclusion that this person came to was that most likely 344 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:11.039 in the Elusinian mysteries, and you might take you may 345 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.039 have a different view. I'm not sure, but that's what 346 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.759 I want to ask you about it. They argue. This 347 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.599 person argues that it's a death and resurrection journey of 348 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.799 the soul sort of ritual that goes on when you're 349 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:29.359 given the Kaikion, which is a hallucinogenic drink, and then 350 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:34.720 you sort of go through the demeter persephone underworld resurrection 351 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.640 sort of rituals. And I think there's even like a 352 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.319 crazy dance involved, just wanted to know if you if 353 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.359 you came across anything like that, or what do you 354 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:43.240 think of the kaikion. 355 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.599 No, I actually think that there is some legitimacy to 356 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:51.440 the kekion theory. And so what you're referring to, the 357 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.319 book that founded this is called The Road to eleusis 358 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:58.319 unveiling the secret of the mysteries, and so our Gordon Wawson, 359 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.960 who will probably come up, he's famous for actually re 360 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.720 if you want to say, rediscovering, but at least popularizing 361 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:09.000 psilocybin mushrooms. In nineteen fifty seven he wrote an article 362 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.759 in Life magazine. He did this shamanistic retreat with Maria 363 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.640 Sabina and he wrote about it. And this was kind 364 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:17.759 of the first time, at least in the modern period 365 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.240 in the West where there's explicit discussion about these psychedelic mushrooms. 366 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.279 He sends those mushrooms then to Albert Hoffman, who is 367 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.720 the synthesizer of LSD in nineteen thirty eight, has his 368 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:32.759 famous bicycle day April was it nineteenth? Nineteen forty three, 369 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.480 where he accidentally consumes it and then rides his bicycle home. 370 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.519 And then Karl A. P Ruck, who's a classicist who 371 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:43.240 all of his work is trying to validate even Christianity. 372 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.119 His thing is trying to validate the legitimacy of psychedelic 373 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.519 use in all this ancient period. He uses his skills 374 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.920 as a classics collar to do so. So this book 375 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.480 argues that based on pottery that they found that the 376 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.680 kikkion is some type of ergot fungus. So ergot is 377 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.279 a fungus that grows on barley and ryegrain, and it's 378 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:08.359 common in again across Greece and where the Alasinian mysteries 379 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.240 took place. And as you said, it's that's where they 380 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.839 talk about persephones. Quest it's about persephones, death and rebirth, 381 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.799 going to Haitiites and coming back. It's believed that anybody 382 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.000 who is a who's who in the ancient period participated 383 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.359 in these mysteries and they were taken into some type 384 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:28.079 of enclosed almost like a theater space yah they would 385 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.519 consume the beverage, they would be revealed the mysteries, and 386 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.359 then hours later they would leave and then they would 387 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.799 be initiated into this ancient mystery. I actually think that 388 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:43.920 there's something legitimate about about that. And ergot in ergamine, 389 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.319 which is found in some of those potteries is a 390 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:50.759 precursor to LSD. So Albert Hoffman, who synthesizes the psilocybin 391 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.680 mushrooms from Maria sabina by way of our Gordon Wawson 392 00:22:54.079 --> 00:23:00.680 and discovered LSD about twenty over twenty years previously, they 393 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.119 start synthesizing various forms of ergamine and come to the 394 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.400 conclusion that in a lab at least they could construct 395 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.000 an LSD like beverage through this. And so it's believed 396 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.839 that they don't know the exact process, but somehow they 397 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.279 would allow this ergot and they would mix it with 398 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.599 probably wine, and then some measure that we don't exactly know, 399 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:23.720 they're able to take out the toxins because there's actually 400 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:26.119 quite a few toxins in the fungus, and then you 401 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.319 could consume this beverage and get, you know, initiate inebriated 402 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:32.799 through this and get initiated into the mystery. So I 403 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.519 actually think that there's something there. Now I don't support 404 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.640 some of the larger conclusions that these scholars have made, 405 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.720 but I think it's the best explanation for what was 406 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:48.680 going on in eleusis because it was some type of beverage, 407 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.240 and I think that at least through some of the 408 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.759 chemistry that they've done, that's that's probably most likely of 409 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:55.920 what they actually well. 410 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.559 Probably you're tripping balls. They take you sort of underneath 411 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.400 the temple or something, and then it's that the book 412 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.880 describes it as like then they bring you out. The 413 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:05.799 climax of the ritual is sort of like a light 414 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.920 comes on and then you see like the goddess you 415 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:13.880 see isis or something, Yeah, or persephone. But it's funny 416 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:15.359 you say that, because yeah, I just looked in the 417 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:21.160 footnote of disguised paper and first footnote is R. Gordon 418 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.200 Wasson Albert Hoffman, the very book that you cited at 419 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:27.039 the bottom is right, So yeah, you're absolutely right that 420 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.440 that's where they're pulling from. Did you a little side 421 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.160 note did you know or did you come across anything 422 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.000 pointing out that according to John Marx and his book 423 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.960 on the history of mk Ultra, that it was Gordon 424 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.519 Wasson was funded by the Macy Foundation, and then that 425 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:48.599 was kind of a original sort of m k ultraca project. 426 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:53.160 There are some I've looked into the R. Gordon Watson connection. 427 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:58.079 He was clearly funded by some of the major moguls 428 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:02.279 at the time, and of course he was working for JP. Yeah, 429 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:05.759 which makes it very again, very strange that this high 430 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:11.240 level banker working for JP Morgan just so got contacted 431 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:13.519 and told to go to this place and meet this 432 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.400 shamanis in Mexico and then him and his wife Valentina 433 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.880 go and participate and then kind of make it now 434 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.960 known to the first time in the Western world about 435 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:29.480 these ancient psychedelic mysteries through through shamanic practices. I do 436 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.079 think that there's something something behind the funding, and they 437 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.440 traveled all over the world. I mean, his big thing 438 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.279 was trying to solve the Soma mystery, which is one 439 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.720 of the gods in the rig Veda, and Soma is 440 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.599 mentioned over a hundred times. It is a god that 441 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:47.960 you consume. It strengthens you, it illuminates you, it gives 442 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.279 you courage. Again potentially a connection even back with the 443 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.759 berserkers in Europe who took mushrooms because they felt like 444 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.799 they were strengthened, they had courage and they could go 445 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:04.119 fight in battle. But our Gordon Wawson, along with Timothy Leary, 446 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.200 I mean Timothy Leary also made a comment that he 447 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.240 was you know, you got to pick teams like the 448 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:11.039 Yankees or the or the Dodgers, and he chose the 449 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:16.039 CIA and so so there is some real interesting, potentially 450 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:20.680 nefarious connections with an mk ultra. By the way, this 451 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.039 is the interesting thing to your point. His article, our 452 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.799 Gordon Wawson's article about Maria Sabinez in nineteen fifty seven, 453 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.359 and we know that the mk ultra project began in 454 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.680 nineteen fifty six. So hmm, interesting little timeline there that 455 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.079 mk Ultra begins a year before our Gordon Wawson goes 456 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.079 to Mexico and makes all this stuff famous. 457 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:46.799 Yeah, exactly. Do we know if there are any other 458 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.440 if we go further back, is there any evidence of 459 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.440 you know, if we go back to like Babylon or Egypt, 460 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.839 is there evidence in those ancient cultures of something like 461 00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.839 a consciousness altering initiation? 462 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:07.720 Certainly their scholarship arguing for that. There's different different plants, 463 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:16.279 you know, cannabis, hayoma, progomenharmla iminio, mascaria, psilocybin, mushrooms, There's 464 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.039 all these different plants that people have speculated. I've seen 465 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.519 multiple scholars argue that ancient Egypt was participating in some 466 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.599 of these inebriating rituals. I would assume Babylon is noted. 467 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:33.640 They're occult and magical orientation and ritualistic framework for those practices. 468 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.720 I would absolutely imagine they were the earliest historical evidence 469 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.160 that we have really comes out of the Indian subcontinent, 470 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.319 as I said, through the rig Veda, and this whole 471 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.480 Soma thing, and so soma which in Persian is known 472 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:54.079 as hayoma, which hayome is also another inebriating substance. After 473 00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:00.200 you know, hundreds of years pass by and Soma it 474 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:04.119 develops and in my estimation, my argument is it then 475 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.480 is incorporated into these Mithraic rights. And so Mithra is 476 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.759 not a huge he's in the rig Veda, but he's 477 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.759 not a huge figure. And we really don't get these 478 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:20.480 devotional cults until later. But Haoma wine drinking, like these 479 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.480 these inebriating wine beverages, we know that that was being 480 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.319 taken place during these Mythraic rituals. I've looked at evidence 481 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.240 from some scholars arguing that also orgiastic activity, which is 482 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:37.759 typically associated with like collective groups anebriating experiences, they participate 483 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.079 and this was true for the Manicheans. So we have 484 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.759 descriptions from China that the Manicheans went all the way 485 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:47.599 to China and they said they're constantly consuming mushrooms, they're debatrous, 486 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.920 filthy people, they don't shower enough, and that they participate 487 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.799 in these weird sexual practices. This is according to Chinese sources. 488 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.519 So there was Chinese. There was hippies back then. 489 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.720 Yeah, the Chinese where yeah, they're like these Manichaeans are. 490 00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.799 Filthy, Manichey and Hippi trying to get the ancient Chinese 491 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.720 to go to Grateful Dead concerts. 492 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.960 Pretty much pretty much. And so there's an article that 493 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.720 I found, and this is the is the only scholar 494 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.960 that I've seen make this connection. His name's Robert Bedrosian. 495 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.200 He's an Armenian scholar, and he actually has a paper 496 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:28.160 where he argues that Armenia is the key to solving 497 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.880 the Soma mystery. And I have not seen anybody but him, 498 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.240 and I haven't even seen other scholars pick up this article. 499 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.559 But he argues that Armenia, being in that Caucus region 500 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.319 before it converted to Christianity, was actually the mountains in 501 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.440 Armenia were a fertile place for growing these amineomuscarita, these 502 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.400 red and white mushrooms that could be used ritualistically. He 503 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.519 claims that the mithraic rituals and some of the ancient mythology, 504 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.519 the pre Christian pagan mythology of Armenia was deeply embedded 505 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.799 within these psychedelic cults, these mythic these mythraic cults and rituals, 506 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:05.440 and he claims he's got evidence, and he writes about 507 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.319 this in his article that the Persian elite, the Zoroastrians, 508 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:13.000 were actually purchasing massive amounts of these mushrooms from Armenia 509 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.519 to have for these ritualistic purposes, and that you know, 510 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.319 some of the elites of the Zoroastrian Persian society would 511 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.680 could consume these in a ritualistic manner every year, and 512 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.279 that they were purchasing these from Armenia. And then he 513 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.960 claims in his article that he's found the continuation of 514 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.799 the preservation of these mushrooms all the way up to 515 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.359 towards the end of the twentieth century in Armenia. We 516 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.359 already just mentioned that Armenia is an interesting place because 517 00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:43.240 that becomes a hotbed for some of these gnostic heresies 518 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.359 during the Byzantine period because the Buzinest teams weren't having it, 519 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.119 so you either had a converter you're getting kicked out. 520 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:50.640 And a lot of them went there. And it's that 521 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.759 cultural malu that then goes and infuses it within the 522 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:58.119 Bogomils in Bulgaria. So I think there's actually something really 523 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.720 there that Armenia is the sort of historical key that 524 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.200 unlocks the Soma mystery that so many people have been 525 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.640 trying to say what it is. Terence McKinnon believed it 526 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.359 was like the psilocybin mushrooms. Our Gordon Watson argued that 527 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.680 it was the aminy to mascaria mushroom. Others have argued 528 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.079 it's actually cannabis. Others argue it's pugamen harmla or hayoma. 529 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.599 So we really don't know what it is. But according 530 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:28.319 to Robert Bedrosian, he he claims that it is psilocybin 531 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.880 eminy myscari mushrooms and that when the Mithraic cult was 532 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.519 at its height in Armenia, that this infused their culture 533 00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.799 and that they were actually providing these mushrooms and these 534 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.559 rituals for the Persian elite. 535 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.960 Yeah, one thing, just a little bit of a shift 536 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.640 of focus I noticed as I read through this text 537 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.160 from the Cambridge Companion on all the esotery stuff, whether 538 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.920 it's the ancient inebriating ritual cults, or whether it's the Gnostics, 539 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.559 or whether it's even Greek philosophy at times. And then 540 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.279 if you fast forward all the way up to modern 541 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.160 resicrution mysteries, or if you go all the way up 542 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.359 into Gerjeff and Blovatsky, there was a commonality in this 543 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.160 book that I didn't expect, which was that the tendency 544 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.680 in Western Hermeticism, even the Middle Ages, with some of 545 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.599 the weirdos like Jacob Boem and Gertrude the Great, some 546 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.400 of these so called mystics in the Historyonic, crazy Roman 547 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:33.319 Catholic sphere, they end up in the same revelation, which 548 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.640 is that the meaning and the answer of all the 549 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.480 mysteries is you are your own God. 550 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:40.759 Bro. 551 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.400 And I'm not joking. That's like common throughout this book. 552 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.480 It wasn't something I don't think that the author's planned. 553 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.240 I just think that as they worked through these different traditions, 554 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.160 there's this underlying tendency to basically come to the revelation 555 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.519 that you're your own God. You determine your own reality. 556 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.680 Even when we get into krawl, Young Kraljung just basically 557 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.720 thinks as a gnostic sort of platonic figure, projecting your 558 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.960 subconscious is projecting your external reality. You're creating your own reality. 559 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.400 Is that a feature that you see as well? Did 560 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.759 you come across this kind of stuff and does that 561 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.000 maybe lead us into the transhumanist side of things? 562 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.359 I would certainly say what you picked up on that 563 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.640 thread is absolutely the case. After the ancient period, I 564 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:29.680 would argue, at least from my reading of some of 565 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.160 the Ancients, I mean even some of these gnostic groups, 566 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:39.160 they were on a path of deification. From their perspective, 567 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.200 I think they would be submissive to say that they're 568 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:47.319 not God or equate themselves in nature to God. But 569 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.119 especially after the Renaissance, so much of everything that you 570 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.440 mentioned once we get Renaissance humanism and the Zohar, the 571 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.160 capitalistic text of Judaism that gets written in the thirteenth 572 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.960 century in Spain, and that's during the me A Caliphate 573 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.079 where they allowed the Jewish mystics, the Cabalistic mystics, the Sufis, 574 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.639 and then these Christian mystics to actually form what I 575 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.000 would argue becomes the Zohar, and that's where you get 576 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:18.360 Giovanni Piccadella Marendola and what they call Christian Kabbalah, and 577 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:24.119 it sort of re reinterprets man and his relationship to God, 578 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.119 and that then becomes I would say, the foundation for 579 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:34.480 the Rosicrucians vice shop in the Illuminati, eventually the speculative 580 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:40.360 freemasonry that emerges. So the worship of oneself, I think, 581 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.000 is tied with this sort of general tendency as we 582 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.719 move closer to modernity and especially post the Enlightenment. Yeah, 583 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.480 that's exactly. Every single psychedelic teacher or author that I've 584 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:56.039 read believes that you're on a process to realize of 585 00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.920 your unity with collective consciousness or collective divinity, something abstract 586 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.199 like that. That's the case with everyone that I've come across. 587 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.639 So I would say that's sort of this residue of 588 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:11.880 Renaissance humanism mixing, mixing with the Hermeticism and the Cabbalism 589 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.760 and all these occult theories that emerge. So you got Paracelsus, 590 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.519 you know, he was this very famous alchemist. He's the 591 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.559 inventor of Laudanum, and so getting high on opium was 592 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.840 part of his part of his magical process. We know 593 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.719 Henry Cornelius Agrippa, like a lot of these major magicians. 594 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.039 I've got up empress also that are on the shelf. 595 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.400 I was gonna get those out. But what would you say, 596 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:43.039 sort of the the the underlying feature of the Renaissance 597 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.199 era magicians in Italy and other places in Europe, and 598 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.440 then the rise of Rosicritianism is this focus inward towards 599 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.239 a man himself. Is that what you're saying. 600 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.199 Yeah, And it's tied with a millinery and expectation. I 601 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:03.400 think Yakima Fiore's dispensational tripartite understanding of history. I mean 602 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.159 that's going to connect with actually my research on transhumanism. 603 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.239 But that millenarian ethos that somehow were like moving towards 604 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.960 collective utopia. I mean, that's what the ro Secrutions were. 605 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.519 And you can't fully understand that Malu without understanding the 606 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.280 impact of the Protestant Reformation and that these Protestants in 607 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.840 the North were seeking some sort of legitimacy against the 608 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.920 Catholic Church. And that's why I always say the sixteenth 609 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.239 century is like one of the most magical centuries in 610 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.280 European history. And it's during this period where you get 611 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:42.719 these rosicrution confessios and the Vishop and the Illuminati, John 612 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.400 d all these different figures, Paracelsus, Grippa, all these different 613 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.119 people are during the sixteenth century, and so Protestantism when 614 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.360 you look at somebody like Frederick the elector Palatine, he 615 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.400 was trying to incorporate cabalistic hermeticism and the re secrution 616 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.400 ethos with a form of Protestantism. I mean, this is 617 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:08.280 what is ended at the first Battle of the Thirty 618 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.119 Years War when he's defeated at the Battle of White Mountain. 619 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:19.320 So that whole Ethos was tied with like this Protestant Christianity, 620 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.599 which is less sacramental, combining with like the sacramentality of 621 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.760 ritualistic magic. We're going to create this brotherhood, this utopian king. 622 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:34.400 Well, a lot of the early first generation Rosicrucians were Lutherans, 623 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.719 and they were in the spheres of the Lutheran Church. 624 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.480 I think Johann Andre who is believed to be one 625 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.800 of the compilers of the you know, Rosicrucian Manifesto or 626 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.639 whatever was a famous Lutheran. Other famous Lutherans were also 627 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.360 in that sphere. Sometimes people sort of make the assumption 628 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:55.039 that Luther's Cross, you know, the famous Luther Rose, just 629 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.159 happens to also be a Rosicritian, simple right. I don't 630 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.679 know that Luther himself was into Rosism. I think you 631 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.400 predated that a little bit. However, there is evidence that 632 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.880 Luther was influenced by the Theologia Germanica, which is another 633 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.800 one of these mystical texts that tends to focus on 634 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.079 sort of what you get in some of these medieval Latin, 635 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:18.239 Roman Catholic mystical texts is basically, the union with God 636 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.519 is so intense, and it's almost because of absolute divine 637 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:26.199 simplicity and other kind of weird esoteric ideas well. If 638 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.599 I become one with God truly, then I am God. 639 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.920 And so in other words, because there's no essence interdistinction, 640 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.840 there's an uncreated grace. They don't maintain the creator creature distinction. 641 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.239 Absolute divine simplicity if you don't believe in creative grace, 642 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.400 requires that you become the essence of God. So you 643 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.639 become God. And you actually see that in the chapter 644 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.920 in this text, for example, on Jacob Boheme and on 645 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.599 Gertrude Bell, both of whom tended to say that basically, 646 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.079 in the mystical Union, you actually become God. So they're 647 00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.960 they're throwing out sort of you know, needed theological nuances 648 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.679 here and basically just sort of falling into a kind 649 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:05.599 of apotheosis, which I know you've talked a lot about 650 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.079 on your channel and probably in your thesis, where man 651 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.199 just becomes his own God, not by grace but by 652 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.119 his own will, knowledge, gnosis, tech, etc. All these are 653 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.440 different pathways to become your own God. One book, I 654 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.880 I'm curious if you've got a chance to look at 655 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.559 or ever heard about what's Michael Hoffman has a book 656 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.920 called a Cult Renaissance Church of Rome. Have you heard 657 00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:27.119 of that? 658 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.079 I have not. 659 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.000 It's really good. It's right up your alley. I mean, 660 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.679 even though Hoffman ended up, I think he's still a 661 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.679 trad cat or something. But as Orthodox we would actually 662 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.920 pretty much agree with his critique of the Renaissance era 663 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.840 papacy because he's basically just arguing that as a trad cat, 664 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.920 he's trying to make sense of Rome and what happened, 665 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.760 and he basically ends up reading all the way back 666 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.599 into the Renaissance papacy and saying here's where things take 667 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.119 a noticeable change. Even though Hoffmann doesn't know a whole 668 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.800 lot about the first thousand years of Christianity, he's accurate, 669 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:03.000 I think in pinpointing the turn towards the esoteric in 670 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:07.519 the Medici Renaissance era papacy, which is definitely what happened, 671 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.760 and hence why they promoted and love they love the 672 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.119 idea of magic, Christian cabalah, etcetera. That was all super 673 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.079 popular at that time, and I think that's part of 674 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:23.760 the influence and trek of Western civilization, at least Europe 675 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.760 in the second millennium, the papal Europe. 676 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.760 Right, And to your point about this the absolute divine 677 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:36.679 simplicity being a type of presuppositional framework for this form 678 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.559 of mysticism. It, I mean, all of this magical stuff 679 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.280 is tied with neoplatonism, and so this privileging of monism 680 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.960 is essential. And then once you incorporate inebriating substances, now 681 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.559 people can go from a rational articulation of neo platonic 682 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:56.159 values and monism to in a phenomenological experiential union with 683 00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.920 like divinity or something. And I think though both those 684 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.000 together are a huge catalyst. I mean, Terrence McKinnon is 685 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.480 famous for saying, you know, psychedelics dissolved boundaries. Yeah, I 686 00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.239 would agree with him. That's exactly what they do. That's 687 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.719 not necessarily a great thing for him. This is how 688 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:17.280 we dissolve the the you know, the deleterious framework of history, 689 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.440 so we can return back to the archaic goddess. Uh 690 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.320 and I we can talk about the archaic revival. I 691 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.159 think actually, given the trends in culture with the LGBTQ 692 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.840 and and the whole Skittles community and what they're doing, 693 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.320 it kind of does feel like we're returning back to 694 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.320 a pre Christian period and that you know, Marshall mccluban's 695 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.760 theories about the the you know, the global village and 696 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.719 how digital technology was going to actually take us from 697 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.719 the literate man back to a primitive style culture. It's like, Wow, 698 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.960 I think there's some validity there because it feels like 699 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.559 that's where we're going, is that people are becoming less literate, 700 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.159 more impulsive, and since becoming more iconic. 701 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.320 To savages people on the savages. 702 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.440 Yeah, So I think all those things are working together. 703 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.239 So here's a question. I have something I've wondered about. 704 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.559 I had several brad classes where we talked about Elizabethan 705 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.599 Renaissance era alchemy. We focus on you know, John Don, 706 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.559 Ben Johnson, Edmund Spencer, a lot of these you know, 707 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.960 Shakespearean era writers and poets, and a lot of them 708 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.320 were obsessed with Esotero's and a lot of people don't 709 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.440 know that. But what I've never really heard about. We 710 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.679 know about this possibility of maybe something going on in 711 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.320 terms of the Renaissance Middle Ages era with Templars and 712 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.400 Pico della Mirandola and these characters, and maybe they experienced 713 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.440 something to do with shrooms and drugs. Is there any 714 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.440 evidence after this period? We don't hear about drugs or 715 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.440 substances for so many centuries until more recently. So I'm 716 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.360 just curious, like, do we have evidence of like experimentation 717 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.559 in British Empire. I mean, we know about opium being 718 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.960 you know, used as war against you know, China, and 719 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.639 British Empire uses opium war to syops and whatnot. What 720 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:11.159 about are any of these is Elzabethan poets experimenting? You know? 721 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:18.840 Yeah, so what during the Elizabethian era, Opium was certainly 722 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.800 one that was going around and potentially cannabis and hashish. 723 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.199 We know for a fact, multiple scholars have documented that 724 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:30.840 hashish used for quote unquote mystical purposes was already present 725 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.199 in Spain by the thirteenth century, by the time the 726 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.119 Zohar was written, and that all these practices, all these 727 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.480 practices actually moved from Syria, Egypt, across northern Africa and 728 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.320 then entered into Spain. So we know for a fact 729 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.639 that before the re conquista of Spain people were using 730 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:56.039 hashish and ritualistic practices due to Islamic Sufis. Actually either 731 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:56.800 is this. 732 00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.800 From the Hashimites, the Hashashen the assassins. 733 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.440 It's tied with that, and obviously it's people question whether 734 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.800 the Nazari Ismaili's were they really high on hashish when 735 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.280 they committed these assassinations. It's a debated topic. But what 736 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.800 is a fact is that cultural that the culture Malu 737 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.159 that the Hashashins come from were actually using these practices, 738 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.559 and that you can literally trace the Sufi use of 739 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.239 hashish and then certain communities actually saying okay, no more 740 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.320 of that, and then it just continues to move eventually 741 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.920 across northern Africa, where in Morocco we have cases in 742 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.119 the twelfth century where we people go and are saying, yeah, 743 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.920 the Muslims are literally consuming hashish before they enter in 744 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.840 the mosque and getting high and then going to the 745 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.639 mosque for various ceremonies. When the rika Quista happens, they 746 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.159 try to stamp all this hashishi use out, but be 747 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.320 it with geodonno Bruno, for example, it speculated that he 748 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.480 was actually high on hashish when he came up with 749 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.360 his the belief that all the stars were actually sons. 750 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.159 And so by the time that in France in particular 751 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.239 was very infatuated with the Oriental and so by the 752 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.599 time the English, I forget the englishman's name that wrote 753 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.960 One thousand and one Nights, but by the time that 754 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.920 was written, and especially into the Victorian era, people were 755 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.880 absolutely experimenting with cannabis and hishish and it was very popular, 756 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.519 specifically in France, and that's where you get people, you know, 757 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.119 poets and stuff in the English period going down to Paris. 758 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.639 I like some of the Irish and you know, famous 759 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.519 British poets were you know taken opium and stuff like that. 760 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.280 But that was the only thing I really ever. 761 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.840 Heard, and it came from this belief that from again, 762 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.679 the book the One thousand and one Nights was actually 763 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:51.199 incredibly influential in Europe for the normalization and consumption of 764 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.079 Haiesh in the belief that it actually elevated you to 765 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.159 these ancient spiritual beliefs and truth to some sort. And 766 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.039 that's what people, famous poets were actually traveling to France 767 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:07.440 during that period to engage in these pract these practices 768 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.519 believing that the Oriental was able to preserve something that 769 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.119 Christianity tried to stomp out. Again, we just talked about 770 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:14.960 the Rican Quista, and they were not in favor of 771 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.119 these practices. So by the time just before the Victorian era, 772 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.480 they were like, oh, well, now we have these practices back, 773 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.400 just like the Orientals had, and now we're not tainted 774 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.800 by you know, the Catholic Church can't control everything we 775 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.280 do anymore. And so then you start getting into the 776 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:37.320 eighteen hundreds and the experimentation with nitrous oxide and anesthetics 777 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.840 becomes a huge thing for people to engage for mystical 778 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.039 spiritual purposes. I mean, this is you know, by the 779 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.360 time of William James. So this is late eighteen hundreds, 780 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.559 early nineteen hundreds William James. That's his first experiment. So 781 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.480 the whole book on his belief on definition of religion, 782 00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.079 it has to do with his nitrous oxide experiences and 783 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:04.480 arguing that the getting inebriated actually again for them, allows 784 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.960 you to bypass the rational mind so that you can 785 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.280 then engage or interact with the sort of spiritual I 786 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.519 guess you could say super rational or irrational entities. So 787 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.519 you can literally trace even though our Gordon Wawson in 788 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.679 nineteen fifty seven really makes psilocybin mushrooms come onto the 789 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:28.239 stage for the first time, all before that Western Europe 790 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:34.599 was engaging in opium use, laudanum, drinking various form of anesthetics, 791 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.840 nitrous oxide and then hashish. So those things were absolutely 792 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.039 being used from the Renaissance forward. You can find evidence 793 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.400 of that throughout Western Europe. 794 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.760 And of course, you know, we know that Afghanistan is 795 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:56.840 a region cashmere region, very important going back to ancient 796 00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.599 times for poppies for opium, so that and that's an 797 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.519 ancient thing too, And there's a whole there's a whole 798 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:05.920 book on this called a visible Empire. That's really good 799 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.920 from Golden Fitztrail, where you know they kind of theorized 800 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.079 that for a long time, empires and kingdoms have sought 801 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.320 to really try to control that region, not just because 802 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.840 it's the gateway to Eurasia, but also because of this 803 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:23.880 you know magical poppy that grows there that you know 804 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.800 can be used for these for these rituals and whatnot. 805 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.800 We got we're gonna super push ahead. 806 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.320 Push comes from from that Central Asian area where all 807 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:36.639 that stuff grows, and it's believed by scholars that's actually 808 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:41.280 how the Indians got it. So you know, spoking ganja 809 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.360 in the Indian context, like that whole tradition comes from 810 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:51.599 their proximity too to cat Cush in that Central Asian area. 811 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.519 And then they've incorporated into their Hindu practice, so now 812 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:59.280 you can find various practices and spiritual men that that's 813 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.519 literally all that they do is they get high and 814 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.239 then do these meditations or perform yoga all day. So, yeah, 815 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.760 that region is incredibly important in regards to opium and 816 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.679 marijuana or cannabis used. That's where that stuff really comes from. 817 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.119 Jarhead Orthodox ten dollars says this is a great topic. 818 00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.400 Can people like Joe Rogan and his guests stop trying 819 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.880 to convince everybody the early Christians were on shrooms and 820 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.320 then icons are all shrooms because there's a cow in 821 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.960 the icon. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I didn't even 822 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.519 realize until that guy was on with you guys that 823 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.159 I heard the cows somehow. Oh, because cow's poop, that 824 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.920 that means that there's That was the dumbest argument I've 825 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.960 ever heard. But I mean, that is that just a 826 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.840 I mean, are they just like making up stuff? Like 827 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.119 where does this idea that because there's a cow it 828 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:52.280 means I mean, are there even hallucinogenic mushrooms that grow 829 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:53.880 in the Middle East? Maybe they are, And I just 830 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.039 don't know, but it seems like a climate maybe that 831 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:57.800 wouldn't foster this. I don't know. 832 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.639 I I mean, I'm not sure I would. I wouldn't 833 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:08.320 be surprised, given again, my understanding of Hinduism. If you know, 834 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.880 some people think it's an astrological thing of why they 835 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:11.280 don't eat. 836 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:16.119 Not Hinduism. I'm talking about the the like Middle East, Israel, Palestine, 837 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.239 like that region that area is is there a growth 838 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.079 of a mushroom or hallucinogenic. I mean, I know there's 839 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:22.599 not a pot. 840 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.280 Yeah, they don't have payout. I am not sure. I 841 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.559 know they have like the Acacia bush. Like, that's the 842 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:34.840 argument from actually Rick Strassman. He's the he's the the 843 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.400 d MT researcher that really was behind the Spirit Molecule 844 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.360 documentary of Joe Rogan. It's all based on this book. 845 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.519 And in this book they put them on IV drips 846 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.519 of d MT. And in this book he claims that 847 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.000 the Acacia bush has d MT and if you could 848 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.119 distill it in the proper way, that these people could 849 00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.119 be inebriated. He makes the argument which I've never ever 850 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.880 seen another scholar actually try to validate that the burning bush, 851 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:06.800 what he calls the myth of the burning bush with Moses, 852 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.719 was actually in Acacia bush and that he was getting 853 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.880 high on d MT in front of that burning bush. 854 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.519 And that's where this whole thing comes from. 855 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.760 Okay, So I was gonna say, I mean, the rest 856 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:18.800 of these things, it seems like they have to be imported. 857 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.599 You know, maybe they were. I remember some druggy Gnosticish 858 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.360 person at one time trying to argue that, you know, 859 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.000 when the Israelites are in the desert and they wake 860 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:35.360 up and the the mana is there. Oh, the mana 861 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.920 must be you know, shrooms or something. And I'm like, 862 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.800 I'm pretty sure that there wouldn't be mushrooms in the desert. 863 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.599 That doesn't seem like a thing that would grow in 864 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:44.159 the desert. 865 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.639 Yeah, in the desert, I doubt there's I Again, according 866 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:49.840 to some of the these guys find the most minuscule 867 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.960 amounts of anything that's psychoactive and then and then create 868 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.800 a theory of how this could be ritualistically used in 869 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.679 some manner in regards to psilocybin, Obviously it grows out 870 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.800 of cow dung, so I could see potentially. But again 871 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.199 with the Alasinian mysteries, that's in the Mediterranean, and that 872 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.280 just has to do with a fungus. And so if 873 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:12.679 the Alasinian mystery in the Kokon is some sort of 874 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:18.280 ergoamine fungus, well maybe there's something going on around that 875 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.519 period or those areas. I wouldn't be surprised. But I 876 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.519 do not know of any specific psychoactive substance that is 877 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.239 indicative or exclusive to that region. 878 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.440 What about this has kind of changed the focus a 879 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.360 little bit because of something that pops in my head. 880 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:38.480 A lot is a lot of the Russo Finnish Nordic 881 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:45.559 stories and tales have this sort of father mushroom father. 882 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.679 It's not Father Christmas, but he's like, I don't know, 883 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:55.480 like ice Claus, like snow Claus version of Santa. There's actually, 884 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.519 I forget the Russian name for like father snow time 885 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.920 whatever he is. But there's like an older pagan version 886 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.480 of like you know what I'm talking about, Like yeah, 887 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.960 and then sometimes in the Russo Finish sort of pagan traditions, 888 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.119 this is linked to mushrooms at times. 889 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.280 Have you heard this, yeah, the uh it's kind of 890 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.880 it's kind of like the John Marco Legro where this 891 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.159 is it's blown out of proportion where people argue that 892 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:29.760 Christian Christmas is rooted within this pagan amitito muscaria mushroom ritual. 893 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.880 But at least from what we actually do know regarding 894 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.440 that argument is that these these Eskimo people that lived 895 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.280 closer towards the North Pole and the Siberia, that they 896 00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.440 do practice a form of shamanism, and that they do 897 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.760 ingest amity and muscaria mushrooms, and that they do pluck 898 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.920 these things and that they drink the urine of reindeer 899 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.880 because it filters. So the amity muscary mushroom is actually toxic, 900 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.039 has muskemol in it, and so you have to let 901 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.559 it sit and dry for an extensive period of time 902 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.599 before it can be consumed or you'll get really sick. 903 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.360 This's why they say it's a toxic mushroom. You can 904 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.239 kill you. Well, if you just eat it when it's wet, 905 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.440 it can kill you. And so they have to let 906 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.280 this thing dry or another mechanism is allow the reindeers, 907 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.599 which we do know that reindeers do eat this particular mushroom, 908 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.400 and then you drink their urine, which we know that 909 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.199 they did. And so there's an argument that the mythology 910 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.400 of Santa Claus flying around on a sleigh behind reindeer 911 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.559 dressed in red and white is tied with this sort 912 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.440 of ritualistic use of the aminimscaria mushroom. They claim that 913 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.960 the reasons we put presents under the Christmas tree is 914 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:45.519 because these mushrooms grow under coniferous trees, and that they're 915 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.239 like the gifts that the gods have given the people. 916 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.039 And then they take the presence and they set them 917 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.320 on the tree so that they can dry in the sun, 918 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.119 and that the reindeers consume them, and because the reindeers 919 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.480 can get high along with the people, that they fly 920 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.599 the world together, and that Santa Claus is like shaman 921 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:08.719 Clause or something like that. Certainly those practices do exist. 922 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.920 But once you then try to say that's the origin 923 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:16.199 of Christmas, like, that's just an an achronistic ahistorical argument. 924 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.519 It just doesn't hold up to then then argue, which 925 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.519 they do, is that the entirety of Christian Christmas is 926 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:27.280 a solar ritual that's tied with these pagan practices that 927 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.719 is reincorporated into the birth of God, which is really 928 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.280 due to the death and rebirth of the people that 929 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.320 ate the Aminymuscary mushrooms. So regards to the grand narrative, 930 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.159 there's no historical evidence for that. In regards to the 931 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.639 specific use of the Siberian Eskimo native peoples, yes, but 932 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.320 then to take what those people did and then say, 933 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.400 look at Christmas, it's all that. No, that's not a 934 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:52.320 strong argument at all. 935 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.239 What I was trying to remember the name I couldn't 936 00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.280 think of is he's called dead Moreause, and that's that's 937 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:04.760 the Russian pagan name for Father Frost or Grandfather Frost. 938 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.280 And if you look at him, it's funny because he 939 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.760 looks kind of like the way he's drawn and the 940 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:11.480 way they make him up, he kind of looks like 941 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.679 a pagan version of like Bishop Nicholas. He's like, he's 942 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.039 an interesting character, but it reminds me too of there's 943 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.400 a really funny kind of classic episode of Mystery Science 944 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.800 Theater called Jack Frost and then riff tracks the more 945 00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:30.320 recent instantiation. They redid the old Mystery Science Theater version. 946 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.239 It's a nineteen sixty four movie that they kind of 947 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.599 riff on and make fun of. It's really right up 948 00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.079 this alley because they basically take a bunch of the 949 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.199 Russo Finnish pagan myths and tales and they put it 950 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.920 into this really weird, trippy movie with Father Frost and 951 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:52.280 with Father Mushroom, all these weird sort of pagan characters. 952 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.800 Everybody should watch it because it ties in perfectly what 953 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.440 we're talking about. I'm gonna put in the checks. I 954 00:56:56.440 --> 00:57:00.159 actually found it on YouTube, but every time we talk 955 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.039 about this, I think of Father Frost, and it makes 956 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.559 me think of this movie because in the movie, before 957 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.519 Father Frost arrives, you have to have this encounter with 958 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.599 with Father Mushroom, who's this little weird, sort of trippy 959 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.280 dude out in the He's a little trickster deity who 960 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:19.119 exists as a gnome in the forest. And this is 961 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.159 again a combination of a bunch of the mythology from 962 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:26.239 that region. But Thomas trezier Be can remember what's up? Man. 963 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:27.719 Guys want to support the stream, you can do so 964 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.559 by using super chats or stream labs. The stream labs 965 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:36.000 link is penned. And remember, guys, stream labs does not 966 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.440 take a cut. So if you would like to support 967 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.320 the stream, and I will give a portion of this 968 00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.119 to uh. 969 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.119 Doctor, I appreciate you have me on. You don't need 970 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.039 to what's that You don't need to split it, man, 971 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:49.599 Just I appreciate you having me on. 972 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.280 Well, you guys, if you want to also, I've got 973 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.199 in the in the show description. We'll begin into this 974 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.599 here in a second, but doctor Patrick Garry has also 975 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.639 set up Logos Academy, so I'll go ahead and give 976 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:01.920 you guys that link right there. It's also in the 977 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.000 show description. And this is going to be kind of 978 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:11.239 his sort of private tutoring approach to what the way 979 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.119 he's going to do education. I think this is the 980 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.800 future of education. As you guys know, I offer a 981 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:20.679 course on philosophy through Richard Grosse's outlet as well autonomy 982 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.679 or a marketplace. That's in the show description too. You 983 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.360 can get my philosophy course. We'll talk about that in 984 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.559 a minute. But a Panini says for five pounds, ritual 985 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:33.280 abuse and mind control The Manipulation of Attachment is a 986 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:38.199 book by ort Epstein, Joseph Schwartz, and Rachel Schwartz. Okay, 987 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.320 we'll have to check out that book. This kind of Actually, 988 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.239 I think this is the book that Jamie, my wife has, 989 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.639 I think she has that book. Me and Eugene five dollars. 990 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.079 Let's go fellas. Rachel Wilson sends twenty bucks. Thank you 991 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.960 so much. Rachel Wilson, appreciate that. She says, Number one, 992 00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:58.679 c K, what's up to one of our growing black 993 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.280 audience members, as you guys know, identify as a black man, 994 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:03.840 and that's bringing more and more. 995 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:04.960 You're huge in that community. 996 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.320 I am growing. I'm gonna be like the I'm gonna 997 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.079 be basically the next Tyler Perry when I do some 998 00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.400 stand up for the black people in the black community. 999 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.519 Thank you, c K appreciate that Harvest five dollars. Somehow 1000 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:21.559 I came across this channel in the last week or two. 1001 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:23.599 I'm still trying to figure out what it is, but 1002 00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:26.360 I'm here. Well, we do all kinds of stuff, so 1003 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:27.960 that might be what's throwing you for a loop. So 1004 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.039 sometimes I do comedic streams. Sometimes I do very focused 1005 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.360 geopolitical streams. Sometimes we do interviews, like with the great 1006 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.400 doctor David Patrick Harry. Sometimes we just you know, joke around. 1007 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.400 It's all over the place. We do it all here. 1008 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.800 But thank you for being with us Harvest chairs for 1009 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.719 twenty sex, which is some shitty currency that ends up 1010 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:51.079 being about thirty cents, But thank you for that. Dph 1011 00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.400 are you let me preface this with I don't know 1012 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:56.800 if he is, but I am familiar. Of course, we 1013 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.679 had a bad interaction with this individual some years back, 1014 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.360 and I think this person has ended up in Mormonism. 1015 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.000 But Kotail, are you familiar with Jan Irvin and gnostic 1016 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.599 media claims? And he was one of the characters that 1017 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.360 was on those early Joe Rogan podcasts when Joe was 1018 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.360 first talking about alegro and all. 1019 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:23.760 That I am familiar with. Jan I've never interacted or 1020 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:27.840 engaged with him. From my understanding, he was big into 1021 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.559 the psychedelic stuff, and then he was like big into 1022 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.920 calling out the intelligence agencies behind mckinna and Leary. And 1023 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.719 then last I was aware he like changed all of 1024 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.480 his stuff to like logos media and was Christian. 1025 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:41.880 He's Mormon. 1026 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.960 He's Mormon now, okay, so yeah, I really don't follow 1027 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.360 that guy. He was. He actually wrote a book that's 1028 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.960 mentioned in this one, The Psychedelic Gospels, where he tried 1029 01:00:53.960 --> 01:01:01.159 to argue for this eucharistic mushroom theory within Christianity. So unfortunately, 1030 01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:06.079 his book for him, unfortunately was never touted in no 1031 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.239 academic actually used it or cited. Even Jerry Brown says 1032 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.719 that the research and it's very dubious, and that is 1033 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:16.760 him literally interpreting anything that he could pull in regards 1034 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:20.000 to mushroom or psychedelics, trying to argue that this is 1035 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.199 the origin of Christianity. 1036 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.039 Hush Tone says, for five dollars, we all know that 1037 01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.920 you're honorary black because you always show up later than 1038 01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:30.599 your life. Trams are set for well The explanation for 1039 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.119 that is that Jay Dier time just also happened to 1040 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.239 coincide with Black people time, and so we actually linked 1041 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.800 up on being late, and we decided that we're all 1042 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:44.119 one people. Bro jet for five bucks, we need David 1043 01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.719 Patrick carry on Sam Tripoli's tenfoil hat. That would be 1044 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.280 an interesting conversation. I know Sam likes to go out 1045 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.320 there in the weeds in terms of the psychedelic speculations, 1046 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.639 So maybe I don't know if Cotel would you be 1047 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.159 interesting going on some of the comedian streams. Yeah, absolutely, 1048 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.360 help me to suggest. 1049 01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.400 Yeah, please, Okay, I'll. 1050 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:11.239 See if Tripley is interested. Seamus twenty dollars says, have 1051 01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:15.400 you ever thought about consulting for Orthodox or Roman Catholics 1052 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.440 on the issue related to converting pagans and occultis? Both 1053 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:24.800 churches have seen their exorcism ministries grow, and they say 1054 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:29.039 that the growth of occultism is an issue. I'll answer 1055 01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.760 this and then I'll let Cotail answer. I don't really 1056 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:38.400 know that the priests need consultation from myself. I wouldn't 1057 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:41.320 call myself an expert on the occult. I've read a 1058 01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.559 lot about the occult, written some books on it in 1059 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.559 terms of Hollywood and symbolism. But I don't really think 1060 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:53.639 typically for catechisis anything like that's really necessary. Maybe just 1061 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:59.320 more so, perhaps awareness that occult traditions are growing and 1062 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:01.840 becoming more popular. We probably will need more and more 1063 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.679 exorcisms as time goes by. But in the Orthodox Church, 1064 01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:10.000 exorcisms are typically just part of baptism. They're not. It's 1065 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:13.360 not like this special ritual like in the Roman Catholic world, 1066 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.880 the Latin rite of exorcism and all this kind of stuff. 1067 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.280 It's a little more hollywoodized. Cotel, what do you think 1068 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.280 about consulting Roman Catholics on occultism. 1069 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.639 I think that's a dubious idea. And really, for catechisis 1070 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.239 the only thing that an Orthodox priest needs to make 1071 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:35.119 aware of to a Catechuman is that occultism and the 1072 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.039 effectiveness of actual occult rituals is real. And I get 1073 01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.480 people that are Catechumans and they ask me that quite well, 1074 01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:43.480 what do you think about magic? And it's like, well, 1075 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:47.239 our paradigm said that this stuff is actually real. You 1076 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.480 don't need to learn about it. And especially I wouldn't 1077 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.320 recommend anybody until you're brought into the church and really 1078 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:56.320 understand and gain a fronom of Orthodoxy, because I've talked 1079 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.639 with a handful of guys that had like one foot 1080 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.599 still in this occult match spiritual world and then one 1081 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.719 foot in the Orthodoxy, and Orthodoxy for them is very 1082 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.920 like a rational argumentation. And then I talk with them 1083 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.559 and lo and behold. You know, six months goes by 1084 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.360 and the asceticism and the spirituality of Orthodoxy isn't as 1085 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.400 appealing as being able to still take drugs and do 1086 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.320 all this other stuff. So I think for anybody getting 1087 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.199 in the church, just focus on Orthodoxy and once you're in, 1088 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:24.840 if you want to, then go back and look at 1089 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:26.360 the history of this stuff. Feel free. 1090 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.880 John of San Francisco since twenty five dollars says, thank 1091 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.440 you for this all this help. You've helped me learn 1092 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.559 a lot and sent me kept me sane at my work. 1093 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.519 God bless Yeah, a lot of people listen at work, 1094 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.360 and I'm glad that it helps keep you guys sane. 1095 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.960 That's good to know. Ellie's W's became a member for 1096 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:51.840 three months. Welcome Ellie. Guys. Be sure and check the 1097 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:54.280 member section over here, and of course also have the 1098 01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.480 member section at the website, it's largely the same material, 1099 01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.360 but of course I haven't been able to move everything 1100 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.360 from the website over here on YouTube because we've only 1101 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.559 been remonetized for a few months now on YouTube. But 1102 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.920 anything new, of course goes into the members section on 1103 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:11.199 YouTube as well. And yes, overall it is pretty much 1104 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.760 the same material, but the full archive is available at 1105 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.400 the website. Feels for days five pounds, we evolve from monkeys. 1106 01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.599 They was eating magic poopoo peepe mushrooms. Also, Father Frost 1107 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.920 is a Communist version of Santa I think Father Frost 1108 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.480 is way pre communism. He's an older pagan version. But 1109 01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:34.280 perhaps the Soviets did utilize Father Frost as some sort 1110 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:37.719 of way to kind of war against the Saint Nicholas 1111 01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:42.440 or something in the church. But communists, interestingly, they tended 1112 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:46.440 to socialists, and communists have tended, at least in the 1113 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.760 terms of the party, to be anti drugs. Isn't that 1114 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:51.559 what you find to be the case? 1115 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:55.960 Yeah, hardcore communists tend to be kind of anti drugs 1116 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.599 because that could give you some pernicious ideas that are 1117 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.159 anti communists. They can't control that. 1118 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:05.239 Yeah, I mean, it seems like, you know, I'm pretty 1119 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:11.639 sure the Soviet Party didn't want, you know, drugs going 1120 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.159 on on a larger scale, but maybe early Bolsheviks were 1121 01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.480 super party oriented, and then you know, I don't know. 1122 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.159 I don't know the whole history of exactly how they 1123 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.239 viewed drugs, but I would think that my guess would 1124 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:22.360 be there. 1125 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:25.920 I think alcohol, alcohol was definitely warmly welcome, but I 1126 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.159 don't know if any at least me personally. I don't 1127 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:34.760 know of anything regarding inebriate substances and communism. Typically, from 1128 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.239 my understanding, the Bolsheviks were not interested in allowing people 1129 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.920 to get anebriated. You could drink as much alcohol as 1130 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.039 you want, they didn't care about that. 1131 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:46.559 Yeah, Dance Commodore two hundred and fifty rons. I love 1132 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:49.679 David Patrick carry Also, thank you for your comedy Jay 1133 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:52.519 the only place where I laugh and get educated at 1134 01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:53.280 the same time. 1135 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:53.559 Yeah. 1136 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.480 I think that's kind of what we've always wanted to do, was, 1137 01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:01.119 you know, synthesize both of those both of those things. 1138 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:05.320 Have it be edutainment infotainment, and have it be you know, 1139 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:08.639 funny and fun at the same time. Let's see, we've 1140 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.519 got some more super chats. Cholo Mechicano ten dollars. When 1141 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:14.519 are we gonna slaughter some of those sacred cows and 1142 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:18.519 make hamburgers? Yeah, I mean I've always wondered. I can't 1143 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:22.679 prove this, but I've always wondered if India's worship of 1144 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.440 the cow was somehow related to like the ancient you know, 1145 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.559 you know an erin when Moses goes up on the 1146 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.000 mountain and they're worshiping the calf the god of Egypt, 1147 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:37.599 Like maybe Egypt bequeathed this you know, deity in some 1148 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:40.559 some way to India. Maybe India was reverencing the deity 1149 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.840 earlier and it somehow got into Egypt. Do you know 1150 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.519 much about that? Any theories on that? 1151 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:50.320 Uh No, there, I mean the theories regarding the veneration 1152 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.239 of the calf. Some believe it has to do with 1153 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:55.840 an after the zodiac, that these practices originated in that 1154 01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.760 it may have been a veneration of was it aries 1155 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.559 which one's the ball no Taurus during some like the 1156 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.599 Taurus period. Again, this is kind of in the wheelhouse 1157 01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:12.079 of the Graham Hancock like looking at the maderial time 1158 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.079 and the zodiacs and trying to figure out mythology and stuff. 1159 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.520 Like that. Some people argue that's where this stuff comes from. 1160 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.720 Others have argued, like the gnostic guy that was on 1161 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:25.000 my open panel, that this has to do with psilocybin, mushrooms, 1162 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:31.000 with cow dung. Potentially, it's kind of an unsolved mystery 1163 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:35.119 as what is the actual reason why cows are so 1164 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:38.279 highly venerated within Hinduism Because at least historically, at least 1165 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.399 like in the rig Veda period, that wasn't the case. 1166 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.520 Let's see, we got jets and five bucks and says, no, 1167 01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.439 we wade those. Excuse me, bust down, Jubilee. Okay, Joe 1168 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:55.960 one dollar. Let's give doctor Dph some flowers. How much 1169 01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:00.279 do you guys love and watch dph? Jay? I watched 1170 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:04.359 pretty much. I would say ninety percent of dph's streams 1171 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:10.159 I end up watching. Let's see John Jason Cassell. Wow, 1172 01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:12.119 he sends a hundred bucks. Thanks man. I appreciate that. 1173 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:15.560 He says, hello, gentlemen, I'm a new Orthodox, But I 1174 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.359 am wrong? Am I wrong to assume that people that 1175 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:24.920 claim to have spiritual awakenings and finding God are suffering 1176 01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.840 from pre list? Well, we don't know. I think time 1177 01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.399 usually tells you know whether that person was having a 1178 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:37.079 real experience. I think it's possible that even a bad 1179 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:41.359 drug trip could spur a person on to go to 1180 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.279 church or to seek God. I mean, that's possible. I 1181 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:48.079 just think that time is the ultimate sort of determiner, 1182 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:51.520 because if a person isn't really serious or interested in it, 1183 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:55.600 and they have some sort of ecstatic drug experience, that 1184 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.399 tends to fade and then people move on to other things. 1185 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.319 But will ask doctor David Patrick Carrey, to what degree 1186 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:08.279 in your life did hallucin engens indirectly maybe point you 1187 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.239 in the direction of Christianity in God, or maybe it didn't, 1188 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.359 And do you think these things can potentially be ways 1189 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.880 where people accidentally wake up to real Christianity or something. 1190 01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.600 So Obviously, because of my background, I've dealt with a 1191 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:25.720 lot of Orthodox converts that come from the sort of 1192 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.520 psychoonot area, and there are a handful of cases in 1193 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.720 which people had some type of mystical encounter that changed 1194 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:38.239 their direction and orientation. I had something similar. I would 1195 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.000 never say that taking psychedelics like brings you closer to God, 1196 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.560 because I also had a lot of weird things that 1197 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.600 I thought were going to come true that never did. 1198 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.520 I mean Terence McKinnon his time wave zero theory. He 1199 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:53.920 thought that like time machines were going to be invented, 1200 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.520 or the apocalypse of some sort of the end of 1201 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.680 history was in the year two thousand and I think 1202 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:01.560 this is consistent with like these weird fabrications you get 1203 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:04.800 when you go into altered psychoanatic space and then you're 1204 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.199 totally convinced because of the phenomenological experience that something is 1205 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:11.760 getting ready to occur, and then it never does. For 1206 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.319 me personally, it was actually after I did that PhD 1207 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.439 course on Orthodoxy, history and theology, and I began watching 1208 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.239 some Josiah Trenham videos that summer, and Jay actually told 1209 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.159 you that it was the first video I watched of yours. 1210 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:27.600 Now I'm blanking on the title, but it was on 1211 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:32.039 logos and theories of numbers or something of that. I 1212 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:35.239 forget exactly what the title was, but I clicked on 1213 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:38.960 your video and you were talking about sort of the 1214 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.119 paradigm and really doing a kind of presuppositional approach to 1215 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.800 philosophy and theology. And I was still psychedelic, but I 1216 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.359 really liked this paradigm of Orthodoxy. But again, I'm a 1217 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:53.039 non believer. I'm not interested in joining a man made institution, 1218 01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:56.640 and that just kind of wore on me. Towards that 1219 01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.479 last semester that I took, I did a high dose 1220 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:04.319 LS the trip in my apartment in Berkeley, California, and 1221 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.399 at the end of it, I had this quote unquote 1222 01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:11.600 epiphany that all these things I liked about psychedelic spirituality 1223 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:16.720 or the New Age, be it fractal mathematics, sacred geometry, psymatics, 1224 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:22.279 the unity of peoples, that actually all this stuff is 1225 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:28.119 reinterpreted and properly expressed within Christianity regarding logos metaphysics, and 1226 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:31.720 that's where your video on numbers like actually influenced this 1227 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:36.880 realization later. But loving your neighbor as yourself as opposed 1228 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:40.920 that we're all one, like this sylopsism of psychedelics is 1229 01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:44.880 properly interpreted. Is that, no, you love your neighbor as yourself, 1230 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.880 but actually you're just think peoples. And so I had 1231 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:50.239 this quote unquote epiphany. And it was that night in 1232 01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.199 twenty eighteen that I began to pray for the first 1233 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.880 time since again that I lost my naive Methodist faith. 1234 01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.680 And then I was convinced that I was John Cyril 1235 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:02.720 for those who don't know. He's a famous analytic philosopher, 1236 01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.199 arguably the most famous still living. And he was fired 1237 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:08.880 from Berkeley, California when I was there, and I and 1238 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:11.319 as as he was fired. That next semester, I did 1239 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:13.920 a chorus on person in Neuroscience where he presented his 1240 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.399 Chinese room thought experiment, which kind of debunks the functionalist 1241 01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:22.199 definition of AI Syndian intelligence and stuff like that. But 1242 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.439 he talked a little bit about being fired and how 1243 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:27.479 he again he asked like some woman who was like 1244 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.720 almost fifty years old out to dinner and he was 1245 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:33.199 in his seventies, and yeah, he's probably the biggest, one 1246 01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.199 of the biggest figures at Berkeley. Well they fired him 1247 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.720 for that, for sexual harassment. And so I'm sitting there 1248 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.399 in Berkeley with him also being an instructor now at 1249 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:43.239 the Dominican School because he can't teach at Berkeley. 1250 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.319 You're also a straight white male who's going to get 1251 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.720 fired for as you know exactly. I mean, that's what 1252 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:50.840 they do. Like I think, I mean, you know this, 1253 01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.479 but like when I decided that I didn't want to 1254 01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:55.479 be in academia, I wanted to get a PhD. And 1255 01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.079 all that you know, I was in grad school, and 1256 01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.840 I was like, okay, I realize it's very much a click. 1257 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:04.199 And you know, these feminists, these radical liberals, like they 1258 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:07.079 don't want anyone like us in the in that sphere. 1259 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:11.039 No, no, and I and that was very palpable being 1260 01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:15.479 in the Bay Area. And so after that experience, I decided, 1261 01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.640 holy shit, I got to do something because I cannot 1262 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.600 depend on working for a university. And that's actually what 1263 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:24.279 eventually led to me creating Church of the Eternal Logos 1264 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.640 Is I thought. And I had this pro psychedelic channel, 1265 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.960 but my whole again as that journey from Orthodoxy and 1266 01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.439 then you and Josiah, Father Josiah, and then eventually now 1267 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.600 in my heart feeling like Christianity is the truth. I 1268 01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:39.920 didn't want to keep making all that content promoting Terrence 1269 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.720 McKinnon and Timothy Leary. So I thought, man, the only 1270 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:44.840 option for me is to create a new YouTube channel. 1271 01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:50.600 And so I my my mom got diagnosed with an 1272 01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.119 illness at that time, and I was kind of going 1273 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.920 through a crisis. I needed to decide if I was 1274 01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.079 going to stay in Berkeley to finish my dissertation and 1275 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.319 use their resources or just do it remotely, and so 1276 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.840 I went. The last time I took quote unquote psychedelics, 1277 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.800 I did an ayahuasca ceremony and Joshua tree. And this 1278 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:11.399 is before becoming Orthodox. But during this whole transitional phase 1279 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.239 and during that experience, I had done a lot of psychedelics, 1280 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:17.840 but I never had the experience I had during this 1281 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:21.000 ayahuasca ceremony, where I consumed the eyewasking why who's done 1282 01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:23.359 these things? Again, don't do it. I'm not advising any 1283 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:26.119 of this stuff. I'm just sharing you what my journey 1284 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.800 and my experience was consumed it. I got people around 1285 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.319 me at this ceremony, this female shaman, the shaman is is, 1286 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:37.760 She's singing songs and doing her ekeros and all this stuff. 1287 01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:41.119 I got people crawling around the floor acting like jaguars, 1288 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.279 and I'm not feeling anything. So I asked for another cup, 1289 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.359 and I asked for another cup. I do three cups 1290 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:50.960 of ayahuasca. The trip comes on, and the realization I 1291 01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.800 had was if we're going to be judged, which almost 1292 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.880 every religious mythology has some type of judgment after death, 1293 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.039 well it only makes sense of God took on human form, 1294 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.600 and so I became fully convinced in my heart that 1295 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:09.159 Jesus Christ was a historical person and it was God incarnate. 1296 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.239 And then the second realization was, if I want to 1297 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.279 be like Christ, it's time for me to build something 1298 01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.760 and stop consuming consuming drugs, consuming the ideas of McKenna, 1299 01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:23.560 consuming culture. And I felt compelled to create Church with 1300 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:28.840 Eternal Logos. So that was in July of two thousand nineteen, 1301 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.600 and then in August of twenty nineteen, I launched Church 1302 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.960 of Eternal Logos, and in September twenty nineteen, I move 1303 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.359 home from Berkeley and try to begin finishing all my 1304 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:42.520 PhD stuff while starting the new YouTube channel where I'm 1305 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:44.920 no longer doing what I'm doing. I'm producing my own 1306 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:47.359 content and I'm trying to present it from the lens 1307 01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.359 of Orthodoxy. And so once I moved back to Indiana 1308 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:53.640 in September twenty nineteen, that's when I got became a 1309 01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:58.199 catechumen in the Orthodox Church and never done that since. 1310 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:04.239 So did psychedelics lead me to Christ? Not really? If anything, 1311 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:07.520 I almost felt convicted when I got into those spaces 1312 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:11.079 the last two times I did it, one reaffirming Christianity 1313 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.439 is actually fulfilling the things that I believe to be true. 1314 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.159 And then the second one, it was time for me 1315 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.199 to start my own business and actually become a man. 1316 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.279 And if Christ was you know, if he built things, 1317 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.720 if he was a carpenter, it was time for me 1318 01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.600 to begin to build something. And the iron the irony 1319 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:31.079 of that experience is that the ayahuasca stopped and this, 1320 01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.359 you know, and people said, oh, that's because you were 1321 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.399 doing too much drugs. Man, your serotonin levels were no 1322 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:38.920 we this had been a long long period before I'd 1323 01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.840 done psychedelics before this. I'm very aware of how all 1324 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.439 that stuff worked. We even did like the spiritual fasting 1325 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.960 before the ceremony, but it shut down like there was 1326 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:51.199 no trip at all. I was completely sober. The shaman 1327 01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:53.840 was surprised. She couldn't believe it because I was telling her, look, 1328 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:55.920 I'm not feeling it anymore, and she's like, you just 1329 01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:57.920 had three cups, like I can't. I'm not going to 1330 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:01.479 give you any more. And then there's a second night. 1331 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.680 There's in the second night, it just didn't work. And 1332 01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:05.880 so to me that was God telling me, look, you 1333 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.920 got to stop doing this stuff. And to me, it 1334 01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:10.800 was almost like a mystical experience in the sense that 1335 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.079 the drugs didn't work, because that had never ever happened before. 1336 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:18.600 So did Christ meet me in that state? Potentially? I 1337 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.680 think he can meet people anywhere. Do psychedelics take you 1338 01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:22.920 towards Christ? Absolutely not. 1339 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.359 Yeah, I would say it reminds me of you know, 1340 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.880 you and I both have been on your Mate Tooms's 1341 01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.439 channel and podcasts, and you know, we did some pretty 1342 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.119 in depth interviews with him, and you know, there was 1343 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.720 a period where he was really interested in Orthodoxy and 1344 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.119 Christianity and it was because he says he had had 1345 01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.840 this really dark sort of demonic trip and he was 1346 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.359 seeing you know, demonic entities and stuff like that, and 1347 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:49.439 you know, and then he ended up for whatever reason. 1348 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:51.199 I'm not knocking the dude, it's just you know, he 1349 01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:54.159 ended up just not continuing in the direction of Christianity. 1350 01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.560 So you know, even when you have these sort of 1351 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.119 bad trips or intense experiences and you think you're seeing 1352 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.279 spiritual realities or you're experiencing demons, I'm not saying or not. 1353 01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:08.720 I'm just saying, like, these trips kind of I would 1354 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:10.239 take them with a grain of salt, as I guess 1355 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:12.000 what I'm trying to say in terms of drug trips. 1356 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:14.119 I've had bad trips. My first trip was a really 1357 01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:18.039 bad trip. It didn't immediately make me, you know, go 1358 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:21.760 to church or seek out Christianity maybe a year or 1359 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.079 two later because of a bad trip and sort of 1360 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.720 I guess I would say in my situation, it did 1361 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.359 kind of wake me up to spiritual realities, but I 1362 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.760 wasn't moving the direction of Christianity after it. Maybe it 1363 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.159 did make me start asking some questions that I maybe 1364 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:44.319 wouldn't have asked before doing LSD, but I definitely wouldn't 1365 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:51.319 attribute conversion to drugs. Panos, what's up? Panosis? For five dollars? 1366 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:56.399 Congratulations on the PhD. Cotel, you guys should consider a 1367 01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:02.000 collaboration with doctor Nathan Jacobs. Know he's buddies with FDA. 1368 01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:05.159 I'm just not yet. I haven't met him, we haven't spoken. 1369 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:08.159 I'm sure he's a cool dude. I think the conversations 1370 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.640 that you guys would have would be beefy. What are 1371 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:15.079 your recommendations for people outside of academia in terms of 1372 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:20.800 something to look into to say, sharp informed and constantly learning. 1373 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:24.399 I'm sure Kotel would recommend his course which is linked 1374 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.960 Logos Academy, which is linked in the show description. Why 1375 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.199 don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit 1376 01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:29.920 about that, because I do want to get back into 1377 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.199 some more of the topics. I want to talk about 1378 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.319 Esslin Institute. You know, you've recommended a lot of books 1379 01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.279 over the years, uh, and one of those that I 1380 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:41.840 got was this history of Esselin that you recommended. Most 1381 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.159 of the books that you mentioned on these topics, I 1382 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:47.279 do end up buying this one. Maybe is not for 1383 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.039 people trying to stay up on top of things. Just 1384 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.239 just a book that I that I heard you mentioned 1385 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:53.640 that I wanted to get, but. 1386 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:55.840 I would argue it's the it's the bet now. It's 1387 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.960 written by doctor Jeffrey Kripele who runs a gnostic Esoteria 1388 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:02.399 mystical institute out of Rice. It's kind of one of 1389 01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:04.399 the only programs in the US like it. There's a 1390 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.520 few in Europe where you can get like a PhD. 1391 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:09.800 And Eric Davis, who's a famous author. He was like 1392 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.000 the last one to interview Terence McKenna. He just got 1393 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:16.000 a PhD from Rice under doctor Kreipel. Jeffrey Kriipel was 1394 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:21.279 asked by Michael Murphy, the founder of the Esslin Institute, 1395 01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:24.239 to write the sort of ultimate historical overview. And so 1396 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:27.560 if you're an academic like Jay or myself, it's a 1397 01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:30.000 useful book. Not that you agree with like how the 1398 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.520 author is presenting it, but it's really useful in seeing 1399 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:35.079 the historical trajectory and narrative of that institute. 1400 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:37.920 Are you going to take your thesis and put it 1401 01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:41.479 into something readable or like, what's what is there a book? 1402 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:43.399 Maybe there was a different book that you would recommend 1403 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:48.760 that's like the best overview of like hallucinogens and spirituality 1404 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:50.560 and what do you think? 1405 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:58.000 I have not found a great overview of Most of 1406 01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:00.960 the work that gets into psychedelics is almost always written 1407 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:06.239 by somebody who so it's very biased most of the stuff, 1408 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:09.279 and even amongst the scholars, because in academia most people 1409 01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.479 don't engage with this stuff unless they're like closely associated 1410 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:15.520 with the practices of it. Almost every PhD that's involved 1411 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:22.079 with psychedelic studies is themselves a psychoonot. So my plan 1412 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:27.039 is to eventually write some type of book, be it 1413 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.960 about one hundred and fifty to one hundred pages, it's 1414 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:35.319 for an average reader on a literal historical overview of 1415 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:39.800 these substances and their relationship to mysticism and how it 1416 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.680 then emerges in the twentieth century and kind of take 1417 01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:44.880 you up to the twenty first century. It's really just 1418 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.520 a historical overview. I do plan on doing that. I 1419 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:51.880 have a paper titled Technologies of Transcendence that I wrote 1420 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.000 during the PhD program that I want to rework and 1421 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:59.600 expand on for that, and it's basically arguing that drugs 1422 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.439 are form of technology for mystical transcendence. I'm not arguing 1423 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:05.000 in favor of them. I'm just and then I just 1424 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.960 document from the ancient period. The paper only goes up 1425 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.199 to Alistair Crowley, but adding a whole another chapter, a 1426 01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:16.279 whole couple sections on the twentieth century. Yeah, that's something 1427 01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.479 that I want to do, and I'll probably make that 1428 01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.560 turn that into a course for the Logos Academy. Eventually 1429 01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:25.880 you're muted. I can't hear you. 1430 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:29.239 Tell us about Logos Academy. I'm looking at it over 1431 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:32.880 here the link long form lectures Private Breakdown's Philosophical Training. 1432 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:35.880 What are you envisioning here? Is there a course already up? 1433 01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:38.600 I see you've got already eighty six Members's the what's 1434 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.880 the overall plan? Here? 1435 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.920 So the idea is this is a men's community. So 1436 01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:49.399 I'm sorry women out there, this is for men and 1437 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.159 it's a male only space. And the idea of the 1438 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:55.279 Logos Academy obviously I've you know, I don't run a church, 1439 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.479 but my YouTube channels called Church of the Eternal Logos. 1440 01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:01.079 It's just a theological perspective from Logo on various topics, 1441 01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:06.239 and Logos Academy is trying to basically build an environment 1442 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:10.479 for men, young men, but most of the people in 1443 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:14.520 there already like established men where we can talk about 1444 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:18.760 and discuss anything, and I can then utilize my academic 1445 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:24.079 or educational skills for that community specifically. So the first 1446 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:25.680 thing that we're going to do, I mean right now, 1447 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.600 what we have is I have all my exclusive members 1448 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.760 content and part two streams that I actually have to 1449 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.439 think Jay for because he's the one that gave me 1450 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:34.960 the idea, and then we actually need to think Jamie 1451 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:38.439 because she's the one that gave him the idea. But 1452 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:41.760 all those streams that I've done, those are over on 1453 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:46.039 the Logos Academy now much more accessible and easily to access. 1454 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.159 The goal is for to take the dissertation, which is 1455 01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:53.239 very very academic. This is not a mass reader. This 1456 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:58.840 is like three hundred pages of DNSE academic intellectual history 1457 01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:03.760 on the relationship of technology from really the medieval period, 1458 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:07.600 and it's tied with millenarianism and how transhumanism. I make 1459 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:12.800 the argument actually emerges out of a Christian ethos beginning 1460 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.800 with John Scoto's Irregina. He was one of the court 1461 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.960 philosophers for the Carolingian Empire right in the middle of 1462 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.359 the eight hundreds, and he was a neil Platonist. He 1463 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.479 was an Irish Neil Platonist, and he developed this idea 1464 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.279 that the mechanical arts because during the Carolingian era there 1465 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.880 was referred to as the Carolingian Renaissance, where like the 1466 01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:36.439 plow and the watermill and these things emerge as technologies 1467 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:39.239 that allowed labor to be easier. And of course during 1468 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:41.640 that period you have the rise of the Benedictines of 1469 01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:44.880 the Ara at Lebora, tying a sort of spirituality with work. 1470 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.640 And I argue that John Scott's Iregina then presented that 1471 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:53.960 technology was going to redeem all the lost attributes of Adam. 1472 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.600 So Adam was a perfect spiritual person and what everything 1473 01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:01.840 he lost to become the rupted man. Technology was going 1474 01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:04.880 to redeem in us. And then I trace that concept 1475 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:10.359 and the dispositions towards technology through people like you of 1476 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:14.880 Saint Victor Roger Bacon. And this gets tied with Yakima 1477 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:17.880 Fiore's Millenarianism, where he believed this Third Age, the Age 1478 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:22.119 of the Holy Spirit. Sacraments were no longer important, the 1479 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:25.199 priesthood was no longer Essentially, it's a form of Protestantism 1480 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.560 because it was the Age of Holy Men. As long 1481 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:31.239 as you were virtuous and spiritual, the Holy Spirit would 1482 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:33.760 inform you. And this was going to be a utopian age. 1483 01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.520 It was kind of a millinery and disposition. Well that 1484 01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:40.199 literally informs somebody like Francis Bacon when he writes The 1485 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.520 New Atlantis where he develops a new understanding of science 1486 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:49.880 and he does away with the Aristotilian understanding of categories 1487 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:52.359 and logic. Not that he's against that stuff, but he 1488 01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:55.399 presents a new utilitarian form of science, that science and 1489 01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:00.159 knowledge is all about practical utility. And I traced that 1490 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.119 into then the founding of the Royal Society, the founding 1491 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:06.319 of speculative Freemasonry, and the rise of the engineer. You 1492 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:10.520 get people like Henry Saint Simone and Augusta Kompt where 1493 01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:15.760 now you have this positivist scientific philosophy which is still millenarian. 1494 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.279 And then I tie that with America being the city 1495 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:22.760 on the Hill, and that many people theologians, whether it 1496 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:26.680 be John Edwards moving forward, believe that America was going 1497 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.399 to be the millenary and kingdom. And so that dissertation 1498 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:32.840 traces that idea into then contemporary transhumanism as a form 1499 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:37.720 of post secular deification Orthodox theosis. And then I demonstrate 1500 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:41.239 how both of these are basically two competing narratives coming 1501 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:43.960 out of the Christian world regarding deification. One is pre 1502 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:48.159 modern the Orthodox theosis, which maintains the old metaphysical order 1503 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:51.720 and essentially Aristotelian categories and all this stuff. Where the 1504 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:56.079 new one is coming out of this historical thread where 1505 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.800 technology and existential pursuits are going to lead us towards 1506 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:04.279 you topia, and that orthodox he views transhumanism in its 1507 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:07.079 own eschological terms related to the Antichrist. 1508 01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.640 Yes, well, we both you and I both covered in 1509 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:14.279 our videos the Peter Teal interview, where Teal seems to 1510 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:18.680 seems to sort of take Christianity as this allegory for 1511 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:22.640 technological transhumanism and immortality. That's kind of my reading of 1512 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.640 that weird interview, and he mentioned what was a Renee 1513 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:31.199 Garard I've not read. I have the book, somebody recommended it, 1514 01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:33.319 but I have never gotten to it yet. So I'm 1515 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:36.880 assuming that he just sort of takes the Christianity in 1516 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:38.680 this sort of a symbolic way, kind of a Jordan 1517 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:39.560 Peterson style. 1518 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:44.479 Yeah, you know, yeah. And so to wrap up that 1519 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:48.439 whole dissertation, that is basically an orthodox Christian critique of 1520 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:53.920 transhumanism utilizing the methodology of intellectual history. That's what that is, 1521 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:56.920 and my goal is to have that published by the 1522 01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:00.399 end of August. So the Logos Academy that is a 1523 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.359 separate project obviously tied related to it, and that may 1524 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:05.359 turn into courses. But the first thing we're going to 1525 01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:08.319 do in the Logos Academy we have bi monthly meetings 1526 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:12.439 where we have free form conversations and then we just 1527 01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:14.079 had one last night, and the members want to do 1528 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:19.560 like topic themed two hour conversation, So maybe I post 1529 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:21.840 an article or something and then if people want to 1530 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.319 read it, you don't have to read it, but you 1531 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:25.119 can then join the meeting and we can talk about 1532 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.279 things like a classroom setting. And then we have a 1533 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:31.319 fitness group that kind of holds people accountable for fitness, diet, 1534 01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:34.199 spiritual life, and then career or life goals. And so 1535 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.079 those are the three meetings we do every month, and 1536 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:40.000 my goal is to create The first course will be 1537 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:42.920 a history on the logos, beginning with the pre Socratics, 1538 01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:46.840 people like Heraclitis and this idea of logos, moving into 1539 01:29:47.119 --> 01:29:49.239 eventually the Gospel of John and the ending of the 1540 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:53.640 Neoplatonic academies, and that will be tied with My goal 1541 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:56.920 is to create an ebook related to that, and then 1542 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.720 another course on the history of metaphysics essentially from the 1543 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.880 Midia Evil period to the postmodern turn in the twentieth century, 1544 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:07.359 and that is the kind of continuation of the same conversation. 1545 01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:09.119 And then I want to build out a course that 1546 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:12.159 is going to go into deeper to regards to that ebook. 1547 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:16.520 So those are kind of the two big projects that 1548 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.800 we talked about last night in the group that I 1549 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:21.319 want to try to get done by the end of 1550 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:23.840 this year. So by the end of twenty twenty five, 1551 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:27.079 there should be two full courses on the history of 1552 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.800 logos the history of metaphysics, tied with ebooks that are 1553 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.239 kind of introductions to those topics, and then Part two 1554 01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.439 streams exclusive videos all my show notes or study guides 1555 01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:39.840 are available for the group, and then of course our 1556 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.560 three meetings each month, plus sometimes Q and a's. So 1557 01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:45.319 that's kind of what we do at the group, and 1558 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:47.880 it's kind of themed like an ancient academy. I mean 1559 01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:50.199 we want I mean last night, some of the guys 1560 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:56.880 are like professional powerlifters, and it's an interesting amalgamation of 1561 01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:59.600 different guys and it's just a place for us to 1562 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:02.119 come to get other as you know, adults, as men, 1563 01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:04.439 and be able to learn and discuss things that you 1564 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:05.600 really can't with other people. 1565 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:10.319 Yeah, it's good to reclaim men's spaces. That's such a 1566 01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:14.640 neglected thing given you know, the dominance of feminism in 1567 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:16.600 our era. I want to remind you guys that I 1568 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:19.439 will be speaking to the third annual Ludwell Orthodox Fellowship 1569 01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.840 Conference in Stafford, Virginia. This is outside of d C, 1570 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.319 so if you're in the DC region, this is September sixth, 1571 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.880 twenty twenty five. I will be speaking there along with 1572 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:34.079 Metropolitan Jonah Jim Jatras, our good buddy, Buck Johnson, our 1573 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:39.000 good friend Proto Decon, doctor Patrick, Father Turbo, and some 1574 01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:42.119 other priests and people I'm not familiar with. I'm sure 1575 01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:43.840 they're all great people I'm just not familiar with, and 1576 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:47.039 of course Rebecca that runs Dissident Media. It's going to 1577 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:52.119 be a great conference Saturday, September sixth, twenty twenty five, Stafford, Virginia, 1578 01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:53.920 and you can get the tickets in the link in 1579 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.319 the show description in the link right there. We'll also 1580 01:31:56.319 --> 01:32:00.600 be having a upcoming conference here in Florida. Again. This 1581 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:05.479 will be our second conference at my church here in Florida. 1582 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.600 The first conference that we did on Iconography with Father 1583 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:11.920 Deacon and Father Vladimir was a big hit. We had 1584 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:14.000 a lot of a lot of fun. We had a 1585 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:16.439 nice crowd. So we're going to have an even bigger conference, 1586 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:19.520 bigger crowd this year. This year's focus, I don't have 1587 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:22.199 the ticket page up. It will be in November, just 1588 01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:25.039 let you guys know. So we do have plenty of time. 1589 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:28.079 But the theme this year will be Athens in Jerusalem. 1590 01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:33.279 So we're going to be contrasting these two approaches to 1591 01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:39.439 reality to society civilization. One of course focusing on human 1592 01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:44.039 reasoning and philosophy, and of course Jerusalem focusing on the 1593 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:47.720 person of Christ, the Messiah and divine revelations. So what 1594 01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:51.720 is the relationship. Is it an antipropy, is it an 1595 01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:56.880 antithesis as Tratolian said, What have Athens to do with Jerusalem? 1596 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:00.119 Or is there a possibility of overlap or or what 1597 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.159 that will be? The focus will also be getting into aesthetics. 1598 01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:07.319 Of course, by the Vladimir lectures on art history. He's 1599 01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:12.760 an art history teacher. He focuses on the techniques and 1600 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:17.520 styles of the Renaissance masters and how they put certain 1601 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:22.640 structures and geometric patterns and forms into their works, and 1602 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:29.279 that also of course influences later Russian art styles. Dance commodore, 1603 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.880 no way we did that one textas became a member 1604 01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:37.479 shout out to textas Jonathan Britton two dollars. This is 1605 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:41.159 a kind of a complicated question. Basically, he asks what 1606 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:50.800 is the Orthodox Church's idea on THC, CBD, silo, cybin, 1607 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.960 et cetera. In short, I will answer it as saying 1608 01:33:54.039 --> 01:34:00.000 that I think that anything can be medicinal, because every 1609 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:04.119 thing that exists God created and created it good. But 1610 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:08.000 any of those things could also be conceivably abused. This 1611 01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:10.439 is a great question though, that I'm gonna ask a Cotel. 1612 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:17.079 I'll ask doctor dph is it are there any potential 1613 01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:22.399 medicinal usages for mushrooms and these kinds of things. I 1614 01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:26.000 know we have this maps thing going, which is I 1615 01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:29.319 think Soros funded. And I'm not talking about minor attracted persons. 1616 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:32.079 I'm talking about a different things. The thing that has 1617 01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:35.880 to do with like studying hallucinogens. I would say, like 1618 01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.279 I knew a guy who was a severe alcoholic. He 1619 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:41.640 was a good friend of mine from high school. He 1620 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:43.880 ended up dying a couple of years ago, one of 1621 01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:47.399 my good friends, and I would say, like, in his case, 1622 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:53.279 he's at such an advanced state of extreme alcohol addiction 1623 01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:59.880 that I don't think some extreme measure, like perhaps some 1624 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.720 program that might have utilized this to to help him 1625 01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:07.840 break free of extreme alcoholic addiction. Maybe in some of 1626 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.920 these extreme cases, something like that could work. But doctor 1627 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:13.399 David Patrick Harry, what do you think? 1628 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:17.960 I agree with you? It's that that's the always the 1629 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.600 response whenever I do a stream on psychedelics, people in 1630 01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:22.960 the chat go, well, what about the John Hopkins research 1631 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.880 and the point is that these things are nuanced, and 1632 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:34.279 so has psilocybin or MBMA shown signs of effectiveness regarding 1633 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:39.720 PTSD or severe forms of addiction even I begain, Yeah, 1634 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:42.920 they have. Well I thought you just told me that 1635 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:46.600 these things are spiritually you know, problematic. Why Well, clearly 1636 01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:48.920 it's helping people. Well, as I would argue, is that 1637 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:52.319 they do dissolve boundaries. And if you have a boundary 1638 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:56.760 due to post traumatic stress disorder that you're constantly reliving, 1639 01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.359 you're constantly moving through every single time, every time a 1640 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:02.239 firework goes off. That Yeah, it has shown that if 1641 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.279 you get into these altered states and you sort of 1642 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:08.000 kind of dissolve these boundaries and have a phenomenological experience 1643 01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.560 where you're able to sort of move beyond them when 1644 01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:15.439 you become sober, you're not as throttled with that same 1645 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:20.039 stress and that trauma. So are they beneficial in that way? Yeah? 1646 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:23.920 I could see how somebody who's in extreme mental anguish 1647 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.319 due to trauma that this might be beneficial. Same thing 1648 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:31.119 with potential CBD use. I mean, obviously that's not anee 1649 01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:36.800 grating THHC. You know, everybody points to glaucoma or appetite 1650 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.720 suppression for people that are cancer patients. Yeah, I could 1651 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.680 see how that could be beneficial. At the same time, 1652 01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:46.640 every time you alter your consciousness, you open yourself up 1653 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:51.159 to spiritual warfare. I mean, as orthodox, we're being inundated 1654 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:54.439 with thoughts that aren't entirely are all the time. When 1655 01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:58.960 you dissolve the ability of self awareness and even recognize 1656 01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:01.319 things that are infiltrating your mind, you are way more 1657 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:05.199 susceptible to believing and falling victim to prelast than ever before. 1658 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:09.000 So they are spiritually dangerous, even if there are potential 1659 01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:12.800 medical applications in certain circumstances. But just because there are 1660 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:16.800 potential benefits doesn't mean that that should be a free 1661 01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:20.920 pass for your own consumption or use because you're self medicating. 1662 01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:25.159 If you have a really strong tide to these things 1663 01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:26.840 and you find it hard to give them up, well 1664 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:28.520 there's probably a deeper problem there. 1665 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:35.520 Yeah, let's see. Pano says again five dollars. Thank you guys. 1666 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:38.680 Listening to you guys talk about this. I'm reminded about 1667 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:46.039 the horrors of narcissistic abuse, where the victims are made 1668 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:50.520 to doubt their perceptions of reality. Would you say that 1669 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:57.079 these substances destroy the gnomic will. I would say that 1670 01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:05.960 any addiction or any mind altering substance could conceivably maybe 1671 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:11.439 not destroy the will, but enslave the will. M what 1672 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:11.960 do you think? 1673 01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:15.560 No, I totally agree. I mean anybody who smoked weed. 1674 01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:18.319 I had a bad habit through my twenties, smoked every 1675 01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:22.800 single day. Once you get sober, despite what a pothead 1676 01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:24.880 will tell you that, well, it helps me be creative, 1677 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:27.359 it help it helps me come up with ideas. If 1678 01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:31.880 you're sober, you have a stronger drive for work, to 1679 01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:37.439 accomplish things, to achieve goals. That yeah, absolutely, it makes 1680 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:41.000 you apathetic to some degree. And so if you're sober 1681 01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:43.760 and living a healthy life, I promise you the quality 1682 01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:46.920 of your work and the desire to actually accomplish something, 1683 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:49.000 and your testosterone is going to go up. Marijuana is 1684 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:51.479 a female plant. It lowers It's been shown to lower 1685 01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:52.439 your testosterone. 1686 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.680 I might have missed this super chat. A couple of 1687 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:02.359 days ago. Jeff cast five dollars. American Eagle releases an 1688 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:05.880 ad that isn't super gay, and people complain neat. 1689 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:08.159 Me and Eugene. 1690 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:18.600 I think we read that one. Let's see here here 1691 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:23.159 we go storm the cat ten dollars. My dad's friend 1692 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.359 and other friends have encountered witches in the woods. They 1693 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:29.800 were standing in a circle, and there they had drawn 1694 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:33.159 in the mud a circle, and there was a Ouiji board, 1695 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:37.279 and they were moving in unnatural ways, and supposedly one 1696 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.920 of them levitated, well, I would just stay away from 1697 01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:46.119 the witches. J Mal thirty dollars. Why would Kraljung think 1698 01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:49.880 Christianity rose out of a mythri cult? Do you think 1699 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:55.960 Jordan Peterson believes that? Well? Um, I mean probably in 1700 01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:58.079 the case of kral Young, who I've read a decent 1701 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:00.359 amount of kral Young, I think he probably was just 1702 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:05.960 looking for alternative explanations and why he's settled on this 1703 01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:10.960 one or that one. Who knows? I think probably out 1704 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:16.920 of just pride and academic, you know, arrogance. And I 1705 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.640 would say maybe in Jordan Peterson's case, I don't know 1706 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:23.880 if he thinks Christianity is mithra or not, but he 1707 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:28.840 just still, you know, can't he can't bite the bullet 1708 01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:35.920 on Christianity in Toto. So what do you think. 1709 01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:38.800 The phenomenon first launched off? I think there's a video 1710 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.159 on my old YouTube channel before I became christian I 1711 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:47.359 posted a video from Jordan Peterson essentially spouting the you 1712 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.640 know this mushroom type theory related to Christianity, So I 1713 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:54.560 can find it on my old YouTube channel. I can 1714 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:55.279 find it download. 1715 01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.720 So you're saying Peterson has in the past endorsed this 1716 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:02.079 type of an allegro theory. 1717 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.640 Yeah, some type. I mean, it's been a while since 1718 01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:08.119 I watched it, but it was tied with the connection 1719 01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:15.000 between mushrooms and Christianity and essentially was promoting the benefits 1720 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:19.560 of this sort of inebriating spirituality to enlighten oneself. And 1721 01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:23.600 he refers to the John Hopkins research and stuff like that, 1722 01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:27.720 but pulls basically from everybody that we've already discussed presently 1723 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.079 about this sort of general theme of how Christianity may 1724 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:37.760 be tied with inebriating substances. But maybe his opinion has changed. 1725 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:41.159 I just remember downloading that and posting it like twenty seventeen, 1726 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:43.199 and it was when he became popular. He had like 1727 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.279 tons of videos already on his YouTube channel, and it 1728 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:48.119 was an old video that I found on there. At 1729 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:50.760 the time, I was into psychedelics and I thought, oh, wow, Peterson, 1730 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:54.119 he knows what's going on. But now it makes you 1731 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:58.439 think his gnostisism and his unwillingness actually identify as Christian. 1732 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:00.840 It's like, Okay, maybe he's actually still in that camp. 1733 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:07.640 Santo's Bnacci is an insane person. I don't know what 1734 01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:10.319 people in the chat like, I don't know. You put 1735 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:12.600 this topic in and and it just attracts like the 1736 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.520 most ridiculous people in the jet. No, we don't deal 1737 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:16.640 with insane people over here. 1738 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:21.039 Yeah. I remember. 1739 01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:26.960 We went through on my channels quite a bit of 1740 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:33.159 Jordan Peterson's Personality lectures, and in those there's a significant, 1741 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:36.039 maybe an entire lecture on Christianity and the Trinity and 1742 01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:38.960 the person of Christ. And basically it was just Zeitgeist 1743 01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:43.239 level stuff that like Isis and Horace and Mary's Isis 1744 01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:47.119 and Jesus is the Son of Raw. It was like 1745 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:50.880 Zeitgeist level stuff. So maybe he's still sort of hung 1746 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.760 up in that mindset. I remember the when you debate 1747 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.800 a z Zec in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty. You know, 1748 01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:02.840 Jesus isn't divine, but he's like this, he's like a 1749 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:05.880 symbol for suffering and overcoming or something. 1750 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.159 Yeah, and he's like the the Adam Kadman of the 1751 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:14.960 astrological cycle. So I remember Santos stuff. It's all tied 1752 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:18.159 with this astrology. It's a mixture of like Jordan Maxwell 1753 01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:23.359 and you know a lot of this like New age spirituality. 1754 01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:26.279 So I haven't I haven't seen or heard of Santos 1755 01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:27.960 in a while. I'm not sure what what he what 1756 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:33.279 he does, but his spirituality is a gnostic illuministic framework 1757 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:36.239 where Christ is an archetype for who you're supposed to become, 1758 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:39.359 and all the religions are pointing towards this perennial truth, 1759 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:44.720 and that the zodiac is the the sort of ultimate 1760 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:48.720 rubric to understand medicine and healing and and the passing 1761 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:54.119 of seasons, time history, all these different things. So it is. 1762 01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:00.479 We get I appreciate you guys being so supportive. It's 1763 01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:02.680 a good sign when we can't move along because there's 1764 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:05.680 so many super chats. Appreciate that you guys are being 1765 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:09.399 the beloved pay piggies that we appreciate. Involving double monkey 1766 01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:11.880 twenty dollars, I spoke to Charismatic. He said that God 1767 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:15.399 sent him a dream about his knee surgery. He looked 1768 01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:19.359 for a doctor who agreed that he needed knee surgery. However, 1769 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:21.520 the surgery didn't work. I asked him how he knew 1770 01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:24.840 the dream wasn't from the devil, and he didn't say anything. Yeah, 1771 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.680 it's I mean, that's why in the Orthodox Church we 1772 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.560 just don't focus and pay attention to this kind of 1773 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.880 stuff because everybody in the charismatic world, and the Roman Tholicism, 1774 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:38.279 by the way, has accepted charismaticism holds from the papacy down. 1775 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.159 It just leads to everybody being diluted, and they follow 1776 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:44.000 their dreams and their visions, which, as Jeremiah says, are 1777 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:48.319 from their hearts and not from God. So exactly, any 1778 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.920 thoughts on dreams and visions, And I mean, I think 1779 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:53.560 psychedelics are a big part of prelest too, Like they 1780 01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.800 give you this like you think you're seeing these great insights, 1781 01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:00.359 and it's like, nah, dude, like the seven ten year 1782 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.399 old staring at a candy wrapper realizing that reality is 1783 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:05.720 all one is not some great mystical insight. 1784 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:10.319 Right, No, I agree. I think you know, just be 1785 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.640 cautious at dreams. I've seen too many people, even Orthodox Christians, 1786 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:18.239 try to make like ultimate conclusions from a dream. Obviously, 1787 01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:21.439 we know the prophet Daniel was able to interpret dreams, 1788 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:24.840 so dreams do have some significance. But who are you. 1789 01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:28.319 You're not the prophet Daniel. You know your ability to 1790 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:32.800 interpret the you know, the walking dog headed entity that 1791 01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:34.640 you encountered in your you don't know what that means, 1792 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:35.520 so just stop. 1793 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:39.039 I think also, like probably Deacon says, like if if 1794 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.840 if you were given dreams from God, from the spirit 1795 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.760 or something like that, like you would be interpreting this 1796 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:48.800 in the context of your spiritual father kind of helping 1797 01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:51.560 you in guiding you, and He's gonna not let you 1798 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:56.039 be diluted or fall into some you know, prelust, So 1799 01:45:56.079 --> 01:45:57.720 it would be in the context of the church. It 1800 01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:02.520 wouldn't be you know, I don't know, like I mean, 1801 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:05.760 for example, Sam Schamun, Sam Chomun's whole ethos is a 1802 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:09.119 bunch of dreams and visions and nonsense and orbs flying 1803 01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.439 around his room. All that's pre last No. One five dollars. 1804 01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:15.159 You should investigate all the people who claim to see 1805 01:46:15.199 --> 01:46:18.880 visions of Christ and angels during the time of Joseph Smith. 1806 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.359 This is a very odd part of history. I think. 1807 01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:23.520 In the in the case of Joseph Smith at number one. 1808 01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:25.920 He's just a con man. I mean it's impossible. It's 1809 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.239 possible that he saw some sort of angelic entity claiming 1810 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:33.640 to be Moron I or he just understood the power 1811 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:37.359 of uh you know, of the con and just claiming 1812 01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:41.880 to have seen visions. Any comments on Joseph. 1813 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:46.239 Smith, I totally agree. I mean Joseph Smith, Yeah, I mean, 1814 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:49.800 that's a mixture. His dad was deeply interested in the occult. 1815 01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:51.800 I mean, I would argue Mormonism is the mixture of 1816 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:57.039 Western Asotericism, Protestant Christianity, and Freemasonry. It's kind of the formation, 1817 01:46:57.199 --> 01:47:01.399 the foundation of what Mormonism is. So you know, yeah, 1818 01:47:01.640 --> 01:47:04.119 anybody who believes are that, or believes in the revelations 1819 01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:09.319 of Joseph Smith has problems with their critical reasoning skills exactly. 1820 01:47:09.399 --> 01:47:12.840 Maximus Pike seven pounds, Thank you, gentlemen, Thank you, Maximus. 1821 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:16.920 Appreciate that. A panini two pounds. Jay, they're euros, not pounds. 1822 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.199 Excuse me, that's a euro nine a pound whatever. That 1823 01:47:19.319 --> 01:47:22.600 to me, it's all fake. They're all fake, unless it's bitcoin. 1824 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:24.520 It might be spirit led. Paul, ten dollars. Do you 1825 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:28.000 have any thoughts on Zoroastrianism and the claims that it 1826 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:33.039 influenced Christianity, or any videos about Orthodoxy debunking this. Well, 1827 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:36.279 I'll say that that's something that was very popular in 1828 01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:40.399 like older one hundred year old scholarship, like late eighteen hundreds, 1829 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:44.520 early nineteen hundreds. I don't know that that's that popular 1830 01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:48.239 anymore in academian scholarship, and you'll learn, I think, if 1831 01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:50.680 you get deep into academic stuff, that a lot of 1832 01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:54.720 these things are fads, right, So academia has fads, and 1833 01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:59.319 they'll say things like, oh, early Christianity is influenced from Zoroastrianism, 1834 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:01.560 and this is really popular in that you're nineteen hundred, 1835 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:04.800 and then by nineteen seventy nobody believes this anymore. So 1836 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.600 I don't think that's really happening in academia anymore. But 1837 01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:10.800 I don't keep up with academia because it's a bunch 1838 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:15.479 of nonsense anyway. So any thoughts on Zoroastrianism, doctor David 1839 01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:16.199 Patrick here. 1840 01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:21.119 I mean outside of it being an early monotheistic faith. No, 1841 01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:27.079 I've seen the arguments on Zorastrianism influencing Christianity, but the 1842 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:32.880 very different paradigms the presuppositions are different. You know, people, 1843 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:37.560 I think the word concept fallacy is problematic because maybe 1844 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:41.079 there are similar things that are meant, but they're interpreted 1845 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:45.880 by those traditions very differently. So outside of Zoroastrianism being 1846 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:49.560 an early form of monotheism at a period in which 1847 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.760 it wasn't prevalent, I think it's historically significant for that 1848 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:57.319 it allowed for more literate culture in Persia, allowed for 1849 01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:00.199 a little bit more cultural cohesion compared to the myth 1850 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.960 rhythm of previous times. But no, there's not a there's 1851 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.159 not a huge correlation between the same thing, like as 1852 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:07.960 you said with the Zeitgeist, I mean, the whole thing 1853 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:12.760 with Christ being another form of Mithra or Apollo or 1854 01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:14.960 sole invictus. I mean, yeah, that was cool in the 1855 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.439 early two thousands, but that's just not taken seriously anymore. 1856 01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.039 Let's see the last super chet here that I see, 1857 01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:23.520 and then we'll get back to the some of the 1858 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.600 books and the text here. Yeah, Kubi and Yapper type 1859 01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:30.079 one dollar Doctor David Patrick Curry, you should do a 1860 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:34.159 drama stream after this? What's love? I love the drama streams. 1861 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:35.520 By the way, what's the next drama stream? 1862 01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:39.720 I don't know. Whenever something I think I get enough 1863 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:43.039 interesting news that comes up, But I mean, right now, 1864 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.399 I don't know what the big drama is to do, 1865 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.319 but yeah, those are fun. I just kind of go with. 1866 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:50.199 Well, apparently the only big drama is that Sydney Sweeney 1867 01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:54.000 wore blue jeans and reference genetics and that's somehow, you know, 1868 01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:55.319 the third Reich or something. 1869 01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:57.760 So that's the Well, then Arby's just did a commercial 1870 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:02.960 and some US company just did a commercial, both kind 1871 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:06.159 of playing off the same theme. So that is a 1872 01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:10.680 little cultural drama because we're seeing even major corporations like RB's, 1873 01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:13.880 American Eagle and whatever that smoothie place was that the 1874 01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:16.680 white guy did, that's all kind of saying the same thing. 1875 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:20.439 So it feels like there's kind of a cultural shift 1876 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:21.640 in some way that's going on. 1877 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:26.039 Jeff coasts five dollars. Yes, I've answered this question many times, 1878 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:29.359 not being a douchebag. It's come up a lot. Have 1879 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:31.560 you seen the people that claim that Yahweh was a 1880 01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:34.960 storm god then he became the god of the Bible. Yeah, 1881 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.479 so basically there's a great I don't usually recommend this person, 1882 01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:40.920 but Weemland Craig does have one good book that's called 1883 01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:45.039 Creation x Nilo, where he shows that the way that 1884 01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:49.720 God has presented in just the Torah shows that he 1885 01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:53.800 is not at all like the surrounding ancient Near Eastern 1886 01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:59.199 deities that encompassed the nation of Israel, and he lists 1887 01:50:59.199 --> 01:51:04.840 I think about ten different distinctives that set that God off. Furthermore, 1888 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:08.439 within the text itself, Baal is a storm god, and 1889 01:51:08.439 --> 01:51:12.079 that is not Yahweh. One reason that very low IQ 1890 01:51:12.399 --> 01:51:15.640 low tier people think this is because the word by 1891 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:20.279 all can mean something generic, like just a lord. And 1892 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:24.119 so you might call you know, Jesus lord, you might 1893 01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:29.079 call Satan lord, you might call something you know, Elohem 1894 01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:31.199 is another one of these terms that can just be 1895 01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:35.479 a generic word for a deity. And so very stupid 1896 01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:38.319 people who don't know about language and how word concept 1897 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:41.439 felacies work, they will think that that word always refers 1898 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:43.439 to the same thing. So if you have an Old 1899 01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:47.680 Testament statement of Lord in one sense section referring to 1900 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.279 you know, Yahweh in another section where the Lord of 1901 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.479 the Canaanites right byal or whatever, they'll think it's the 1902 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.600 same reference. It's just a generic term like lord. Lord 1903 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:00.800 can be You could call Satan lord. You could call 1904 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:05.640 Jesus lord. It's a very very simple grammar mistake. Harvest 1905 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:09.119 two dollars. Is this a Christian YouTube channel? We're both 1906 01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:13.119 Orthodox Christians. Yeah. 1907 01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.399 I think the icons kind of give it away. 1908 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:18.560 Unbound. Five dollars, Jay, I thank you for everything. Can 1909 01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:23.199 you explain the jays Analysis membership and what a subscriber gets. 1910 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:26.079 It's very simp simple, very boomer friendly. You just when 1911 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.640 you subscribe, you just go to the one single tab 1912 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:32.239 called member tab, and everything is under the members tab. 1913 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:35.239 There's no going all around. You just have one tab 1914 01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:37.840 where there's the part one of the part two. Very 1915 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:40.840 boomer friendly. That's it. You get access to all of 1916 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:43.039 the interviews and talks that I've done for the last 1917 01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:45.760 i'd say ten years. I think Jay's Analysis is about 1918 01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:51.119 ten years in terms of the archives. Okay, so let's 1919 01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:55.119 we'll get another super red Fox. Ten dollars Jay, Doctor dph. 1920 01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:59.359 What is the subtle way that spiritual warfare manifests in 1921 01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:04.479 our cult culture and how does orthodox practices like prayer 1922 01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:08.720 and fasting equip you to counter the influences? Well, I 1923 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:14.920 would just say that, you know, really fasting and that 1924 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:18.840 kind of stuff is only a useful tool in terms 1925 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:23.840 of helping us to maintain and keep self control. Fasting 1926 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:27.239 itself doesn't do like we don't pay God with fasting. 1927 01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:30.520 God doesn't benefit from us not eating. It's really just 1928 01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:33.840 a way for us to discipline ourselves, to attain to 1929 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:40.319 and maintain self control and the means of grace, like 1930 01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:43.520 prayer and especially you know, the Eucharist. That's the way 1931 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:47.920 in which we obtain the actual ontological power to not 1932 01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:52.439 fall prey to the cultural influences, the demonic influences. And 1933 01:53:52.479 --> 01:53:56.199 that's because we're participating in the uncreated grace and life 1934 01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:59.319 and love of God through the sacraments and prayer and 1935 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:02.119 so forth. That's what I would say, Cotel, Do you 1936 01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:03.319 have anything to add to that. 1937 01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:09.600 I mean, basically what you said, I would add that prayer, fasting, 1938 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:12.159 the Eucharist, participating in the sacraments. This helps give you 1939 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.159 spiritual discernment, allows the Holy Spirit to be present within you. 1940 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:17.760 If you have more discernment, you're going to be able 1941 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:23.039 to navigate, whether it be propaganda, internal thoughts people you 1942 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:28.079 encounter much easier. So basically, what Jay said, the practice 1943 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:31.399 is the spiritual practice of Orthodoxy allow you to be 1944 01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:36.239 a carrier of the Holy Spirit and have more discernment 1945 01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:39.239 regarding the things that are happening. That's how you navigate 1946 01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:40.439 and offend yourself against it. 1947 01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:45.399 Jacob Kaba ten dollars. I was watching doctor David Patrick 1948 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:49.960 Carey's talks on Saint Paizios and the prophecies. What are 1949 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:53.399 your opinions on in times and the prophecies and could 1950 01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:58.079 they be used by elites or are they more guided 1951 01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:02.119 by God's will? Well, I mean, this is an area 1952 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:03.960 that I don't really delve into. I don't know a 1953 01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:05.840 whole lot about it, so I don't have a positive 1954 01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:09.199 or negative opinion. I know that Cotail spend a lot 1955 01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:11.840 more time in this domain than I have, so I 1956 01:55:11.840 --> 01:55:14.960 would say that when the end times come, will know. 1957 01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:17.039 I don't think we have to worry too much about it. 1958 01:55:17.119 --> 01:55:20.640 I'm not saying that people can't study, you know, the prophecies, 1959 01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:24.720 the elders and whatnot. They absolutely can. That's up to 1960 01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:27.520 you and what you know, what you get into, what 1961 01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:34.279 you find interesting. It's possible that elites could fake prophecies, 1962 01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:36.680 there could be forgeries, or any of these things are possible. 1963 01:55:37.319 --> 01:55:39.880 I don't have any evidence necessarily of that, but it 1964 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.560 is definitely within the realm of possibility. Are they more 1965 01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:47.079 guided by God's will? I think holy men absolutely are 1966 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:50.239 are more guided by God's will, But I would I would. 1967 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.560 My take on this would just be that I think 1968 01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:58.680 that divine revelation as a public binding thing ceased. That 1969 01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:01.920 doesn't mean that there aren't and clairvoyant people in the church, 1970 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:04.680 but I don't think you can like bind everybody to 1971 01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:07.279 these private revelations. That's my understanding. 1972 01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:12.319 Yeah, I would. I would agree, and also say that 1973 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:15.840 I've done a lot of streams regarding looking at some 1974 01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:19.239 of the eschological visions of various saints and elders, and 1975 01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:22.159 if this stuff gives you anxiety, like, that's not the point. 1976 01:56:22.439 --> 01:56:27.479 And really these aren't these aren't timelines for history. And 1977 01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:30.159 as that Jay said, these are private revelations among some 1978 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.560 holy men. Some of them are very insightful, and it 1979 01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:37.359 appear based on a third party, that they've been fulfilled, 1980 01:56:37.359 --> 01:56:40.119 that they've come true. But really, if you read this stuff, 1981 01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:43.920 uh in St. Piecios included was that these are just 1982 01:56:44.039 --> 01:56:47.359 signs to be aware of. Uh. Saint Piacio's was big 1983 01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:51.079 on the encroachment of technocracy and ecumenism, and that these 1984 01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:53.479 are signs that every orthodox Christian needs to be aware 1985 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:56.000 of because they are going to move towards uh the 1986 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:59.079 new Babylonian kingdom, you know, the kingdom of the Antichrist. 1987 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:01.680 Does that mean I mean that you know something he 1988 01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:04.760 said in the nineteen eighties. You need to be like 1989 01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:08.239 searching the news every day and concerned and trying to 1990 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:14.000 pinpoint like no spiritual discernment, participating in the sacraments of 1991 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:16.800 the church, and then just hearing what the saints and 1992 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:20.000 elders have to say and looking for signs when they emerge. 1993 01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:21.079 That's the point of it. 1994 01:57:22.039 --> 01:57:24.840 Let me ask you this because I overlooked this question. 1995 01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:28.119 Red Fox originally said. The first line in his super 1996 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:32.239 chat was doctor or David Patrick Harriet, what are the 1997 01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:36.239 subtle ways that spiritual warfare manifests and culture that we 1998 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:37.159 don't notice? 1999 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:43.319 I would say, obviously your imagination. That's the one that 2000 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:47.000 I talk with guys the most about is they get 2001 01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:50.199 weird thoughts, and everybody's had the experience. You know, maybe 2002 01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:51.680 you're on a tall building and you kind of walk 2003 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:53.000 towards the edge and all of a sudden you get 2004 01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:56.079 a thought like to jump like to just kill yourself. 2005 01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.560 We would believe that that's not you thinking, that that 2006 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:02.239 is a suggestion, that's low giz me, that's a suggestion 2007 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:06.119 from a demon or the evil one, and that these 2008 01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:08.840 are the subtleties that are occurring every day. But also 2009 01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:11.720 those subtleties can emerge through the music you listen to, 2010 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:15.600 through propaganda, through if you're believing news or mainstream news 2011 01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:18.600 like these are another ways in which subtle subversion can 2012 01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:22.239 take place. And you just have to believe a lie 2013 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:24.479 to move in the wrong direction. And that's the whole 2014 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:28.039 point of the sort of subtle spiritual warfare. I want 2015 01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:31.479 to say one last thing on the eschatology thing is 2016 01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:35.199 this stuff isn't for everybody. I know people love to 2017 01:58:35.640 --> 01:58:39.000 hear about in time for the apocalypse, But the whole 2018 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:41.079 point is just to get this stuff available with what 2019 01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:43.279 I work with with the Escaton Vigil in English. A 2020 01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:45.680 lot of this stuff. Almost everything we've translated has been 2021 01:58:45.720 --> 01:58:48.520 either in Russian, Serbian, Romanian or Greek, and they've never 2022 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:51.640 been in English. So our goal is just to try 2023 01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.880 to get this stuff in English. And if you're wanting 2024 01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:57.399 to participate in a community of men that are aware 2025 01:58:57.439 --> 01:58:59.840 of these things and can interpret them in a way 2026 01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:03.359 that doesn't cause anxiety and stress, which is absolutely not 2027 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:05.880 the purpose of any of it. Then you can join 2028 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:08.720 the Logos Academy because the Escaton Vigil, the founder of that, 2029 01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:13.239 he's in our group. And if you sign up today tomorrow, 2030 01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:15.560 the price is going to go up. I told for 2031 01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:17.560 the first week it was a founding members price, So 2032 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.279 right now if you join, your price will be locked 2033 01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:22.720 in for twenty five dollars a month. Again, that includes 2034 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:25.800 three meetings a month, all the exclusive content, and then 2035 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:29.399 the courses that I'm going to build out. So my 2036 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:32.680 estimation it's a great value compared to what other people 2037 01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:34.399 are doing with the amount of time that I'm putting 2038 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:38.199 in with actual Zoom meetings, because as Jay knows, those 2039 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:42.199 are actually very time intensive and it takes you away 2040 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:44.880 from doing other work. So but if that's the kind 2041 01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:46.479 of community you want to be in, where if you 2042 01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:48.760 have a question Jacob on stuff like this, like we 2043 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:51.079 actually have guys that are reading this stuff and are 2044 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:55.000 not consumed by anxiety about it and can talk to 2045 01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:58.319 you in a very rational and well tempered way. 2046 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:02.880 Spirit led Palfi dollars, do you have blessings to debate 2047 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.319 so that I can send crazy people to Please do 2048 02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:09.479 not send crazy people to me. I mean, I don't 2049 02:00:09.479 --> 02:00:12.039 think that you need a blessing to do a debate. 2050 02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:14.439 I mean I think that the more that you move 2051 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:20.199 into trying to teach people, uh you know, spiritual life 2052 02:00:20.640 --> 02:00:23.159 stuff and to try to be like a spiritual father 2053 02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:25.800 or something like that, you need that that blessing. But 2054 02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:28.239 I think everything that we do, you know, people know 2055 02:00:28.239 --> 02:00:30.479 who our priests are, we know they know, you know 2056 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:33.720 where we go, what we're up to. You don't have 2057 02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:36.600 to get your priests or your bishop's blessing for everything 2058 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:39.279 that you do. It really and also kind of depends 2059 02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:43.079 on the context of what you're doing it, Like you know, uh, 2060 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:47.159 you know doctor Cotel, you calling you doctor doctor David Patrick, 2061 02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:50.039 Harry and I we both went on whatever and debated 2062 02:00:50.159 --> 02:00:51.800 kind of crazy feminist. 2063 02:00:51.439 --> 02:00:54.039 Chicks that'll either we don't need we don't have to call. 2064 02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:56.079 The bishop that you know, see if we can debate 2065 02:00:56.199 --> 02:01:02.880 some crazy chick on whatever podcast. But but no, please 2066 02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:06.119 don't send crazy people my way. Please don't tennis racket 2067 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:07.960 eleven dollars and forty one cents. That guys, thank you. 2068 02:01:08.039 --> 02:01:13.039 For the stream. Bless God, bless you both. David. I'm sorry, brother, 2069 02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:16.880 I wanted to say something hurtful in your stream. You 2070 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:21.159 are great well. I think we're both men here. I 2071 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:23.319 don't think your word. Your words are not going to 2072 02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:28.119 hurt us. We're rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces 2073 02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:30.239 off of us and sticks to you, so our feelings 2074 02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:33.680 are not hurt. We're big boys. Let me see him. 2075 02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:35.840 Make sure I'm not missing a super chat here. Okay, 2076 02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:40.680 let me ask you about the Esslin Institute because you 2077 02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:43.000 recommended this book. I have read some of it by 2078 02:01:43.039 --> 02:01:46.039 Jeffrey Krippall. It is a very enlightening and I think 2079 02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:47.880 the thing that really first stuck out to me that 2080 02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:49.359 made me want to get it as I was sort 2081 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:54.000 of flipping through it was the chapter Sex with Angels, 2082 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.920 the Non Local Mind UFOs, and the end to Ordinary History, 2083 02:01:58.119 --> 02:02:00.800 where we talk about this figure of Russell targ the 2084 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:05.920 Cia psychic spy who became a mystic. Once I see that, 2085 02:02:06.039 --> 02:02:09.600 I'm enthralled. Esalin seems to me to be the sort 2086 02:02:09.600 --> 02:02:14.600 of the boomer think tank that births almost It's sort 2087 02:02:14.600 --> 02:02:19.960 of the the brains behind the sixties counterculture revolution and 2088 02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:22.439 it even gets into this out there sort of alien 2089 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:26.079 and CIA stuff. What about Essline? What about this book? 2090 02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:31.199 And how does Esslin play into your thesis when it 2091 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.640 comes to hallucinogens and transhumanism? 2092 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:38.840 So, I mean Eslin is the foundation of what's called 2093 02:02:38.840 --> 02:02:42.600 the human potential movement, and whether you're talking about transhumanism 2094 02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:47.039 or psychedelic mysticism, the human potential movement is essential to 2095 02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:50.239 both of those. And the belief is that we're capable 2096 02:02:50.520 --> 02:02:54.119 of way more than we're actually presenting now, and that 2097 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:57.000 these are sort of spiritually latent abilities and stuff. 2098 02:02:57.239 --> 02:02:58.520 By the way, By the way, I'm sorry, let me 2099 02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:00.520 just at one point, I don't I don't forget this 2100 02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:03.319 human potential thing, because Jamie asked me about this last night. 2101 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:06.239 She said, who's Norman Vincent Peel? People don't know that 2102 02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:09.520 Norman Vincent Peel is the father of positive thinking, and 2103 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:11.600 I'm assuming that also is going to tie into what 2104 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:15.680 you're saying with Esslin, And don't forget that positive thinking 2105 02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:19.880 is also what influenced people like Robert Schuler the first 2106 02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:24.439 big megachurch Crystal Cathedral stuff, to take Christianity and turned 2107 02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:28.239 it into a positive thinking with a cult with a 2108 02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:29.640 Christian Veneer. 2109 02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:32.840 And that's the official Christianity according to the White House 2110 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:34.960 right now? The was it Paula White? 2111 02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:35.880 Oh? Is she part of that? 2112 02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:38.600 Yeah? So, And that's how I know that Trump is 2113 02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:41.560 because Trump was a big Peel fan, and he's all 2114 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:44.000 into positive thinking. That's part of his rhetoric is that 2115 02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:47.359 he always wants to rhetorically display something in the way 2116 02:03:47.399 --> 02:03:50.079 in which he wants it to be. He's very convinced 2117 02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:52.920 that this positive thinking and the law of affirmation and 2118 02:03:52.960 --> 02:03:54.600 the way you the words, Hey. 2119 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.600 Dude, I manifest that stuff. I just manifested. I want 2120 02:03:57.600 --> 02:03:58.560 it and I'm manifested. 2121 02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.800 Bro. Yeah. Well, and that's why Paula White was his 2122 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:04.880 personal pastor. I mean, she's one of these prosperity Gospels, 2123 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:08.840 but she's all positive thinking. And that's why Trump latched 2124 02:04:08.880 --> 02:04:12.600 onto hers, because she basically validated his secular law of 2125 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:18.439 attraction into a form of Protestant Zionis Christianity. So regarding 2126 02:04:18.520 --> 02:04:20.960 the Human Potential movement in Eslin, though, Esslin is a 2127 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:26.319 fascinating little piece of history that most people, as the 2128 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:29.159 average person, has never even heard of. But this was 2129 02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:31.439 really the think tank, I mean, in nineteen sixty three, 2130 02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:34.680 so just you know, everybody knows the nineteen sixties counterculture, 2131 02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:38.359 but it's nineteen sixty three that Leary gets fired from 2132 02:04:38.359 --> 02:04:41.960 Harvard because ram Das was having a gay relationship with 2133 02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:49.319 an undergraduate student. Rams, yeah, exactly, So they get fired 2134 02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:51.840 from Harvard. So from sixty to sixty three is the 2135 02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:55.680 early Harvard research on psilocybin. Sixty three is also then 2136 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:59.239 when the Esslin Institute begins to have people like Aldus 2137 02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:03.800 Huxley come and present his sort of perennial philosophy, and 2138 02:05:03.880 --> 02:05:07.560 so you know, sixty seven is the Summer of Love, 2139 02:05:07.680 --> 02:05:10.159 sixty nine is Woodstock, and so that gives you a 2140 02:05:10.199 --> 02:05:12.479 little bit of a timeframe. And so through the sixties, 2141 02:05:12.600 --> 02:05:16.439 the Esslin Institute is where the people of the counterculture, 2142 02:05:17.720 --> 02:05:19.880 you know, essentially, and Krypel talks about that, it's a 2143 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:21.840 it's a who's who. I mean, everybody who goes there 2144 02:05:21.840 --> 02:05:24.920 basically as a PhD. So this isn't like the average, 2145 02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:27.840 you know, run of the mill kind of person. This 2146 02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:32.600 is an institute dedicated to advancing humanity to its like 2147 02:05:32.760 --> 02:05:37.439 ultimate endpoint and its capabilities. So they're using gestalt therapy, 2148 02:05:37.479 --> 02:05:41.079 they're using psychedelics, they're using tantric forms of yoga, anything 2149 02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:45.880 in regards to the elevation you know, of personal consciousness 2150 02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.720 is being used there. There's a famous story that you 2151 02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:55.760 probably read of Hunter Thompson actually being pissed because they 2152 02:05:55.840 --> 02:05:58.880 have there's like a natural spa there at Esslin, and 2153 02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:01.439 even in the early six these gay men would go 2154 02:06:01.479 --> 02:06:05.039 there and Hunter s Thompson, who was not fan of 2155 02:06:05.039 --> 02:06:07.880 homosexual he was part of the counterculture, and he was 2156 02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:10.199 actually hired by Michael Murphy to be the sort of 2157 02:06:10.720 --> 02:06:13.159 security guard for the premises and allowed him to stay 2158 02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:14.840 there while he worked on some of the different stuff. 2159 02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:18.359 He actually went out there to confront four gay men 2160 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:22.119 who were frolicking with each other in the bath and 2161 02:06:22.319 --> 02:06:24.479 actually got beat up by them, and he never returned 2162 02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:25.399 to Eslin again. 2163 02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:29.000 No, I did not know that we have. Jamie and 2164 02:06:29.039 --> 02:06:31.840 I took a road trip some years back when we 2165 02:06:31.840 --> 02:06:34.960 were first dating, and we did drive up Big Sir, 2166 02:06:35.239 --> 02:06:37.600 and we drove past it, but we didn't go to it. 2167 02:06:37.600 --> 02:06:39.119 It's beautiful the area, I mean. 2168 02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:40.479 It is gory, Yeah, Big Sir is awesome. 2169 02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:43.720 I mean you literally look out there's whales, dolphins. I 2170 02:06:43.720 --> 02:06:47.039 mean it is like an ideal scenic Yeah, it's perfect, 2171 02:06:47.119 --> 02:06:49.560 yeah place, and it's built on the ruins of a 2172 02:06:49.640 --> 02:06:50.439 Native American. 2173 02:06:52.399 --> 02:06:56.119 I don't know, well, this becomes I mean, it becomes 2174 02:06:56.119 --> 02:07:01.479 a hub right of the counter culture. You've got Deepak Chopra, 2175 02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:05.279 You've got like all of these sort of big counterculture 2176 02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:08.880 figures at some point have gone and done lectures and 2177 02:07:08.960 --> 02:07:10.359 seminars at Esslin. 2178 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:15.520 Yeah. Abraham Maslow, I mean for his his hierarchy of 2179 02:07:15.600 --> 02:07:18.479 values again, that's all that was tied with the Human 2180 02:07:18.520 --> 02:07:21.239 Potential Movement because they're trying to get the you know, 2181 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.479 what do people need, which then kinds ties with socialist ideas. 2182 02:07:24.479 --> 02:07:27.279 While they need they need food and shelter, they need education, 2183 02:07:27.359 --> 02:07:29.840 we need to provide all these things so that each individual. 2184 02:07:29.479 --> 02:07:31.880 That was also part of M culture too. Maslow was 2185 02:07:31.920 --> 02:07:35.000 part of M cultra. The Human Potential Movement was studied 2186 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:37.880 in mcultra too. In fact, they even put that into 2187 02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:41.800 military studies where they were experimenting on certain troops and 2188 02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:46.720 certain special operations divisions where they tried to inculcate them 2189 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.720 with like extreme forms of positive thinking to see if 2190 02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:53.119 it could like alter how well they performed in battle. 2191 02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:57.720 Yeah, and so the Esslin Institute, to your point, I 2192 02:07:57.720 --> 02:08:00.720 mean we're talking like a skinner and his behaviorism, like 2193 02:08:00.760 --> 02:08:03.600 he went there to give lectures. This this whole thing 2194 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:07.800 was about advancing and acquiring like supernatural abilities. And this 2195 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:12.199 gets tied with quantum physics. You know, Russell Targ he's 2196 02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:15.479 like a remote viewer and they have this research. So 2197 02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:18.520 one of the interest things about Esslin is that during 2198 02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:22.159 the Cold War, somehow they had permission by the CIA 2199 02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:26.079 to be involved with other mystics in Russia. Now we 2200 02:08:26.079 --> 02:08:28.399 were told, you know, there was no communication between Russian 2201 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:28.760 and America. 2202 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:31.600 Wearing a sky spies. Mark Hackert is a good essay 2203 02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:34.399 on Russian psychic spies called sy Spies. 2204 02:08:34.720 --> 02:08:37.399 And there's a whole section in that book talking about 2205 02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:40.680 how somehow, you know, they were they were able to 2206 02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:44.239 take trips government sanctioned to Russia, Russians coming to Esslin, 2207 02:08:44.680 --> 02:08:47.840 and that they performed some remote viewing experiment where one 2208 02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:51.159 of the mystics in Russia was able to hold some object, 2209 02:08:51.239 --> 02:08:53.880 it was like a toy elephant or something, and that 2210 02:08:54.520 --> 02:08:57.039 one of the remote viewers at Esslin could then tap 2211 02:08:57.079 --> 02:09:00.039 into his awareness and they accurately described the thing that 2212 02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:02.359 they were holding. And so Russell Target is one of 2213 02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:05.920 these individuals that really big and promoting remote viewing and 2214 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:08.039 access to these supernatural abilities. 2215 02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:10.720 Well, this is like verging on like X Men levels, 2216 02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:15.039 you know, stranger things, you know, super kid type stuff 2217 02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:19.640 that they were evolving these like latent powers. 2218 02:09:19.720 --> 02:09:23.079 Right, yes, Well Krepel has a famous article talking about 2219 02:09:23.159 --> 02:09:27.000 superheroes and comics and how this was actually the again 2220 02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:31.359 that forties, fifties, sixties culture of science fiction was absolutely 2221 02:09:31.479 --> 02:09:34.479 influencing what they thought they were doing at the Eslin Institute, 2222 02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:39.079 and it was literally to create these supernatural humans through 2223 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:43.560 psychological process against stalt therapy, different things like that to 2224 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:45.600 raise conscious. 2225 02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:48.319 Oh, if you've seen that Brian De Palmer movie called 2226 02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:53.439 The Fury, you should watch that. We did a SIOP cinema, 2227 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:56.840 the SYP cinema guys and I we did an analysis 2228 02:09:56.880 --> 02:10:00.000 of We called it MK Kids, which was the idea 2229 02:10:00.119 --> 02:10:04.039 of like movies that dealt with gifted children evolving to 2230 02:10:04.079 --> 02:10:08.960 have these sort of X men abilities. Three come to mind, 2231 02:10:09.359 --> 02:10:11.520 one of which is from nineteen seventy eight, and it's 2232 02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:14.760 like Brian De Palmer's version of the Exorcist. But it's 2233 02:10:14.800 --> 02:10:18.520 actually worth watching because I mean it's there's some crazy 2234 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:22.000 like Cia intelligence type stuff in there, Like it begins 2235 02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:26.840 with Michael Douglass in Israel faking a T E R 2236 02:10:26.920 --> 02:10:32.399 R O R attack on like an Israeli beach from Palestinians. 2237 02:10:32.439 --> 02:10:34.399 It's it's very bizarre, and then it turns into this 2238 02:10:34.439 --> 02:10:39.199 whole big intelligence drama where they're experimenting on his son 2239 02:10:39.319 --> 02:10:43.359 because his son has these sort of latent telekinesis abilities, 2240 02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:45.119 so it turns into it like a total sort of 2241 02:10:45.279 --> 02:10:49.119 MP Ultra style thing. There's also The Stephen King Fire 2242 02:10:49.159 --> 02:10:52.800 started with Drew Barrymore, which is about children developing these 2243 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:56.199 things being studied by secret government projects telekinesis and whatnot. 2244 02:10:56.199 --> 02:11:01.119 And then there is The New Mutants with Anya Taylor Joy, 2245 02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:05.800 where uh, it's a backstory to The X Men, where 2246 02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:09.479 it's like they're putting these children in this like secret school, 2247 02:11:10.479 --> 02:11:12.279 which is kind of what Professor Ax is doing, but 2248 02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.279 in that case it's more explicitly that trauma based mind 2249 02:11:15.319 --> 02:11:20.520 control is believed to spur on and cause these psychic abilities, 2250 02:11:20.560 --> 02:11:22.960 which is something that does come up in this literature. 2251 02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:25.520 So I'm not trying to get off into the weeds, 2252 02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:28.439 but there's actually quite a few movies that touch on 2253 02:11:28.520 --> 02:11:30.039 this theme, right I. 2254 02:11:30.039 --> 02:11:33.239 Mean we did a whole stream on Project Stargate. Oh ye, 2255 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:40.800 good point, exactly well documented CIA funding project on again 2256 02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:43.880 really research we talked about. This research coming out of 2257 02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:46.720 Eslin is what influences in the CIA in the eighties 2258 02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:50.039 developing Project Stargate, which is ironically the same name of 2259 02:11:50.119 --> 02:11:53.079 the new AI project that Trump just oh right, right, 2260 02:11:54.159 --> 02:11:58.239 So yeah, there a lot of interesting connections in Eslin 2261 02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:01.800 was essentially the intellectual catalyst for all this stuff. This 2262 02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:03.920 isn't I mean, you can go as a regular person's 2263 02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:07.279 very expensive, but as Crypel talks about in that book, 2264 02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:09.640 I mean almost if you go in, you know, on 2265 02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:12.720 a regular day, almost everybody there's an academic or some 2266 02:12:12.800 --> 02:12:15.800 type of professional. This is kind of an elite place 2267 02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:19.960 for elite people that are interested in these projects. And eventually, 2268 02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:21.880 you know, by the eighties you get somebody like Terence 2269 02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:27.920 McKinnon who becomes a resident lecturer there, and so you know, 2270 02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:31.600 by the eighties and into the nineties, psychedelics and psychedelics 2271 02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:36.439 being something that can liberate you from the historical constraints 2272 02:12:36.479 --> 02:12:40.119 of man is part and parcel of the Esslin Institute, 2273 02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:44.039 and where it connects with transhumanism is by the nineties, 2274 02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:46.520 Leary is kind of given up on being the psychedelic 2275 02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:49.840 LSD guru. He writes a book like Your Brain Is God, 2276 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.560 where he's arguing that computers are the new LSD and 2277 02:12:53.600 --> 02:12:57.039 that transhumanism is the future, and that everything that happened 2278 02:12:57.079 --> 02:12:59.159 in the sixties and seventies that he was a part of, 2279 02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:02.359 he's saying is going to be fulfilled through through technology 2280 02:13:02.399 --> 02:13:03.319 and computer and AI. 2281 02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:06.680 Did you ever there's a great documentary that's pretty famous. 2282 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:11.680 It's called The Unibomber, the Net and mk Ultra or 2283 02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:12.720 something like that. Have you seen that? 2284 02:13:13.479 --> 02:13:13.600 Oh? 2285 02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:15.199 You got to see that because they actually go and 2286 02:13:15.239 --> 02:13:19.039 interview people at Esslin Institute, and they they even get 2287 02:13:19.079 --> 02:13:21.920 into stuff like the Vienna the positivists of the Vienna 2288 02:13:21.960 --> 02:13:26.960 Circle and how it all ties into LSD and the 2289 02:13:27.159 --> 02:13:29.159 It's it's a really good documentary. I'll try to dig 2290 02:13:29.159 --> 02:13:30.800 that up and find that you should definitely watch. Everybody 2291 02:13:30.840 --> 02:13:33.279 audius to watch that too, And everybody should watch the 2292 02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:36.439 movies that we just mentioned, including The Fury. They're they're 2293 02:13:36.479 --> 02:13:38.960 all very relevant to what we're talking about and demonstrate 2294 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:41.079 I think that this is this is all real, This 2295 02:13:41.119 --> 02:13:44.600 is not conspiracy stuff. This's actually very legitimately, Like I'm 2296 02:13:44.600 --> 02:13:46.800 not saying the Telekinese's powers are real. I'm just saying 2297 02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:49.640 that they really do study and are interested in this, 2298 02:13:50.199 --> 02:13:53.920 and it's infected the society so far as to like 2299 02:13:54.079 --> 02:13:59.119 literally be the origins indirectly of as he pointed out, 2300 02:13:59.399 --> 02:14:04.119 the Prospect Gospel all coming out of positive thinking. New thought, 2301 02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:05.560 I think is one of this too, is a new 2302 02:14:05.600 --> 02:14:06.159 thought part of that. 2303 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:06.920 Yep. 2304 02:14:07.520 --> 02:14:10.439 Okay, So anything else you want to tell us about this, 2305 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:12.319 and then maybe we can tie it into you know, 2306 02:14:12.880 --> 02:14:15.520 transhumanism and anything else you want to say about your 2307 02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:18.640 your thesis here, because this is all this is how 2308 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:19.720 we got in the modern world. 2309 02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:22.479 Yeah, this is this is how we got to the 2310 02:14:22.479 --> 02:14:26.039 modern world. And I mean, I don't have much more 2311 02:14:26.039 --> 02:14:27.800 to say about Eslam. We kind of hit it. I mean, 2312 02:14:27.840 --> 02:14:30.680 unless you want to get into minutia that maybe some 2313 02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:33.479 of the people would be interested in. But generally speaking, 2314 02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:36.359 I mean, Eslin's just an important spot. I mean, when 2315 02:14:36.399 --> 02:14:40.039 you start talking about like Alan Watts and his Asian studies, 2316 02:14:40.399 --> 02:14:43.439 I forget exactly what it was, the American study of 2317 02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:46.600 Asian culture or something in San Francisco. All this stuff 2318 02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:50.119 is spawned out of the Esslin Institute, which was closely 2319 02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:53.439 tied with Stanford University, which Stanford University is, and it's 2320 02:14:53.479 --> 02:14:58.039 closely tied. And this is the conduit of how all 2321 02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:01.439 this stuff is connected. And when you read the history 2322 02:15:01.479 --> 02:15:03.520 of Eslin, you see that the government was not interested 2323 02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:05.399 in shutting all this stuff down, you know, the way 2324 02:15:05.399 --> 02:15:07.640 that it's present as the counter culture, right, they're fighting 2325 02:15:07.680 --> 02:15:10.880 against the man. But even in Kreipel's book, which is 2326 02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:16.079 celebrated by the founder of the Eslin Institute, it clearly 2327 02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:18.720 shows that the government was retarded. 2328 02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:21.199 I hate that narrative so much. Just like the CIA, 2329 02:15:21.439 --> 02:15:25.319 the Foundations, the Thing tanks, the military, the Pentagon bankers, 2330 02:15:25.359 --> 02:15:29.439 they're all putting zillions of dollars into those exactly exactly. 2331 02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:32.880 And just like you you pointed out about maps, Maps 2332 02:15:32.960 --> 02:15:36.600 is now the academically respected study of like psychedelics. So 2333 02:15:36.640 --> 02:15:38.960 if you are an academic, you're going to be affiliated 2334 02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:42.079 with this group and publish your research and association with them. 2335 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:45.680 And again that is all tied back to the Eslin Institute, 2336 02:15:45.880 --> 02:15:48.399 which as you said, is tied with Soros funding and 2337 02:15:48.399 --> 02:15:52.800 globaliss initiatives and all that different stuff. Because it's fundamentally perennialus. 2338 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:56.319 So the thing about Eslin that they don't accept is 2339 02:15:56.359 --> 02:15:59.479 if you to say one religion is absolutely. 2340 02:15:59.039 --> 02:16:01.520 True, the way the truth life John fourteen six. Right, 2341 02:16:01.960 --> 02:16:03.880 that's the only thing that you can't see kick out. 2342 02:16:04.119 --> 02:16:07.039 But if you're interested in perennialism, which is the basis 2343 02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:10.279 of that entire project, you're warmly welcomed and they don't 2344 02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:11.920 care where you come from or what you're into. 2345 02:16:12.720 --> 02:16:16.600 I would add too, people overlook that Crowley is also 2346 02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:21.960 the father of the modern drug counterculture, right because Croley 2347 02:16:22.039 --> 02:16:26.439 wrote his drug Diary way before even Huxley was doing stuff, 2348 02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:30.039 and Huxley would go and do that. They would go 2349 02:16:30.119 --> 02:16:33.280 to orgies and drug parties together, him and Crowley, and 2350 02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:37.399 so doctor Richard Spence theorizes that Huxley got the idea 2351 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:40.959 for drug experimentation, which is what would become in k Ultra, 2352 02:16:41.639 --> 02:16:44.520 through reading Croley's drug Diary. And remember that Crowley was 2353 02:16:44.600 --> 02:16:48.360 of course an asset for British intelligence, so these things 2354 02:16:48.399 --> 02:16:51.719 always overlap, and this is decades before the existence of Esslin. 2355 02:16:52.639 --> 02:16:56.879 And even tied with that general history is Jack Parsons, 2356 02:16:57.040 --> 02:16:58.959 who was a member of the Hermitic Golden Downs with 2357 02:16:59.000 --> 02:17:02.399 Alis Da Crowley. They have of falling out because Parsons 2358 02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:05.479 was more radical than Crowley was here according to Crowley. 2359 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:08.879 And a little tidbit about l Ron Hubbard, founder of 2360 02:17:08.920 --> 02:17:14.239 science uh Scientology is they he he documented an attempt 2361 02:17:14.239 --> 02:17:17.479 that Jack Parsons had to give birth to the Antichrist, 2362 02:17:17.559 --> 02:17:21.079 in which him Babylon Work committed, yeah, participate in a 2363 02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:24.719 sexual ritual with Jack Parson's girlfriend at the time, which 2364 02:17:24.840 --> 02:17:27.559 ended with l Ron Hubbard being ashamed of himself because 2365 02:17:27.559 --> 02:17:29.600 he's watching Jack Parson masturbade. 2366 02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:33.120 Well. Also in Craig Heimbinger's book, he even alleges that 2367 02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:37.600 Parsons was sleeping with his mom because in one of 2368 02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:41.760 the Suckybius rituals he believed that you know, I n 2369 02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:43.959 c E. S. T. Was was required for that. 2370 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:46.600 They're into weird stuff. 2371 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:49.120 Red Fox ten dollars d. Do you remember what the 2372 02:17:49.120 --> 02:17:51.520 military study was called? If you're referring to the one 2373 02:17:51.559 --> 02:17:57.680 that I mentioned about, uh like black ops and positive Thinking, 2374 02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:01.399 It's it's from a one book that was published I 2375 02:18:01.440 --> 02:18:04.920 think by an Australian guy, and I did a podcast 2376 02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:07.440 on this because this is a really obscure, hard to 2377 02:18:07.479 --> 02:18:10.479 find book and if you go to my rock fin 2378 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:12.840 I don't. I think it's it's probably for members too, 2379 02:18:12.879 --> 02:18:15.479 but it's like at Rocktin. It is something like MK 2380 02:18:15.680 --> 02:18:20.879 Ultra in Australia because people don't even know that M 2381 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:23.959 culture wasn't just in America and Canada, it was actually 2382 02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:27.559 at universities all over the world. And uh, I mean 2383 02:18:27.600 --> 02:18:30.319 it's a lot. There needs to be like new research 2384 02:18:30.399 --> 02:18:33.639 done on this because I didn't even realize that like 2385 02:18:33.719 --> 02:18:35.879 Carl Jung and you and Cameron were they were at 2386 02:18:36.200 --> 02:18:40.719 they were at Bergoldsey in Switzerland doing experiments and people 2387 02:18:40.719 --> 02:18:42.319 don't even talk about or know this. 2388 02:18:42.680 --> 02:18:46.319 Well, the Sandoz lab where Albert Hoffman created LSD was also. 2389 02:18:46.040 --> 02:18:50.600 In Switchland, exactly exactly, and some guy wrote this book. 2390 02:18:50.760 --> 02:18:53.200 I'll have to I found it just randomly on like 2391 02:18:53.239 --> 02:18:57.319 a message board somewhere. I don't even remember the name 2392 02:18:57.319 --> 02:18:58.559 of it. I'll have to dig it up. But he 2393 02:18:58.600 --> 02:19:02.680 wrote a book about the history of M culture projects 2394 02:19:02.719 --> 02:19:06.639 in Australia basically, so there was all this research that 2395 02:19:06.799 --> 02:19:11.479 was done, even supposedly that serial killer who was doing 2396 02:19:11.520 --> 02:19:14.399 sleep studies and basically killed dozens of people at a 2397 02:19:14.399 --> 02:19:17.040 psychiatric and instead he's a famous He's most famous serial 2398 02:19:17.079 --> 02:19:20.120 killer in Australia. That was actually part of mkultr. He 2399 02:19:20.200 --> 02:19:23.840 was studying putting people to sleep to the point of 2400 02:19:23.879 --> 02:19:25.520 death and then bringing them back so like they're when 2401 02:19:25.559 --> 02:19:27.559 their heart rate would go all the way down to death, 2402 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:30.959 and then bringing them back to see what he could 2403 02:19:30.959 --> 02:19:33.159 figure out. I mean, but he was actually just a 2404 02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:35.879 serial killer. He's getting off on doing it. I forget 2405 02:19:35.879 --> 02:19:40.280 that guy's named doctor Henry something. But that's all basically 2406 02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:42.840 all of it. Australia is a bunch of m kults 2407 02:19:42.879 --> 02:19:44.799 stuff is all it is. But I did not remember 2408 02:19:44.799 --> 02:19:46.680 the name of the book. I'd have to dig it up, 2409 02:19:47.079 --> 02:19:50.479 but it is in my archive under m Cultra stuff. 2410 02:19:50.520 --> 02:19:52.120 You could find it in there. And in that talk 2411 02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:57.280 I referenced the book random Name two dollars. Mister Mythos 2412 02:19:57.440 --> 02:20:00.959 did an excellent video on stargate. I don't mister Mythos, 2413 02:20:01.000 --> 02:20:04.120 but I will say that doctor David Patrick Harry and 2414 02:20:04.159 --> 02:20:06.239 I did a really good talk on stargates, so I 2415 02:20:06.239 --> 02:20:08.559 would say, check out ours. I don't know this other dude. 2416 02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:14.040 A penny two euros. What is your SBD? What does 2417 02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:20.920 that sound for? We don't know what that means? Death 2418 02:20:20.920 --> 02:20:25.959 culture ten dollars, what do you guys take on intentional communities? 2419 02:20:27.159 --> 02:20:29.440 What are your thoughts, if you have any, it would 2420 02:20:29.479 --> 02:20:33.799 be get to develop social capital for Orthodox You know, 2421 02:20:34.559 --> 02:20:36.840 this does exist to a degree amongst Orthodox there are 2422 02:20:36.840 --> 02:20:42.079 people who are almost experimenting but attempting to create Orthodox 2423 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:45.760 only communities sort of outside of town. And I mean 2424 02:20:45.799 --> 02:20:50.399 I think that that's probably there a wise approach in 2425 02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:53.840 terms of this country sort of going downhill. I don't 2426 02:20:54.040 --> 02:20:56.639 think that would be a problem. But I think when 2427 02:20:56.680 --> 02:21:01.280 you talk about intentional communities with like yoga chicks and 2428 02:21:01.399 --> 02:21:07.040 you know, man bun dudes doing you know, meditation, that's 2429 02:21:07.040 --> 02:21:09.680 probably not going to work out too well. So what 2430 02:21:09.719 --> 02:21:11.319 do you think about intentional communities? 2431 02:21:13.719 --> 02:21:15.959 I mean, I think long term it's it's probably a 2432 02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:18.719 good idea. We talk about this in some of our 2433 02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:23.360 group meetings about in an ideal world, it'd be nice 2434 02:21:23.399 --> 02:21:25.799 if there were hubs of Orthodox all across the United 2435 02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:30.520 States that theoretically Orthodox Christians could travel and stop from 2436 02:21:30.520 --> 02:21:34.399 community to community. Obviously, there's one kind of already growing 2437 02:21:34.440 --> 02:21:38.680 and exists outside Saint Anthony's in Arizona. I mean, they 2438 02:21:38.760 --> 02:21:43.559 basically have their own neighborhood. So I think if if 2439 02:21:43.680 --> 02:21:46.840 people were able to actually organize. That's the difficult part. 2440 02:21:46.879 --> 02:21:49.559 I think. First we need to begin with some type 2441 02:21:49.559 --> 02:21:54.719 of some type of document that can demonstrate all the 2442 02:21:54.799 --> 02:21:57.360 Orthodox business owners. So if you live in upstate New 2443 02:21:57.440 --> 02:22:00.200 York and there's an Orthodox guy that follows Jay and 2444 02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:03.399 he's a plumber, go hire him. We need to create 2445 02:22:03.440 --> 02:22:06.479 some type of economic incentive first of all, which we're 2446 02:22:06.479 --> 02:22:08.719 so disconnected, we're so small in the United States. It's 2447 02:22:08.799 --> 02:22:12.280 kind of hard. But you know, one of the ideas 2448 02:22:12.280 --> 02:22:15.600 I had a place like Mississippi. There's like old towns 2449 02:22:15.719 --> 02:22:18.159 that have like one hundred to two hundred people that 2450 02:22:18.319 --> 02:22:20.200 used to be thousands of people live there, and so 2451 02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:25.440 they have like an infrastructure old, kind of decrepit. But theoretically, 2452 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:28.920 imagine like one hundred Orthodox families move into a town 2453 02:22:29.479 --> 02:22:32.399 that has infrastructure like that and begins to rejuvenate it, 2454 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:34.399 and then we can elect our own mayor and we 2455 02:22:34.399 --> 02:22:36.719 could kind of build our own local government with something 2456 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:41.360 that already exists. But again, making that happen logistically is 2457 02:22:41.440 --> 02:22:45.520 just pretty difficult. But if you know people that are 2458 02:22:45.520 --> 02:22:48.760 interested have the same values, yeah, absolutely, we need more 2459 02:22:49.200 --> 02:22:51.559 of community and we need places where people can actually 2460 02:22:51.840 --> 02:22:54.360 have reassurance with each other and their neighbor. 2461 02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:59.760 Big iron Fi dollars Jay, Doctor David Patrick carry, there's 2462 02:22:59.760 --> 02:23:04.200 an arrative that early Christians use psychedelics. I doubt it 2463 02:23:04.280 --> 02:23:06.680 was ever accepted. Do you think this is credible? Well, 2464 02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:09.520 you must have missed the first hour, because we covered 2465 02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:11.360 all that in the first hour. And no, we don't 2466 02:23:11.360 --> 02:23:17.639 believe that. A Panini says SBD means squat, bench deadlift. 2467 02:23:17.719 --> 02:23:21.719 So doctor David, what is your SBD? Silent but deadly. 2468 02:23:22.879 --> 02:23:26.479 I don't do any maxing right now, so everything I'm 2469 02:23:26.520 --> 02:23:30.120 doing is like eight to fifteen reps, so squats, a 2470 02:23:30.159 --> 02:23:34.159 couple forty five's on each side, same with bench, and 2471 02:23:34.200 --> 02:23:37.920 probably three plates and a twenty five on deadlift stuff 2472 02:23:37.959 --> 02:23:40.239 like that. But I'm not a powerlifter, so I really 2473 02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:42.600 don't do any maxing out and try to find the 2474 02:23:42.639 --> 02:23:43.639 max amount of weight. 2475 02:23:43.479 --> 02:23:47.559 I can lift. Yeah, Also, I would say, I mean, 2476 02:23:47.559 --> 02:23:50.799 this is just my opinion, but there are some issues 2477 02:23:50.959 --> 02:23:54.440 like for example, ro Coorus had some issues with the 2478 02:23:54.639 --> 02:24:01.120 monasteries in Arizona, and when Laity go or confession or 2479 02:24:01.159 --> 02:24:03.399 they go to the monasteries, think they thinking that they're 2480 02:24:03.440 --> 02:24:06.680 being like super pious, and then they get advice that 2481 02:24:07.079 --> 02:24:11.840 monastics give to other monastics. There have been multiple problems 2482 02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:15.040 with this. Yes, so it may not be the best 2483 02:24:15.120 --> 02:24:17.360 idea to try if you're gonna set up an intentional 2484 02:24:17.360 --> 02:24:21.040 community to necessarily think that we have to move next 2485 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:24.399 to a monastery. And I mean, I'm not saying you can't, 2486 02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:26.760 but I'm just saying that may not be like the 2487 02:24:26.799 --> 02:24:30.920 ideal situation. But that's because I'm in rocorps and there's 2488 02:24:30.959 --> 02:24:35.680 certain issues with that. Bon Jovi nineteen twelve, fifty dollars 2489 02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:37.920 and says nothing, Well, thank you so much. Appreciate that, 2490 02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:41.559 sir Jeff cost Us. I'm sorry about the Galway storm 2491 02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:43.399 gut question. You don't have to apologize. That's just a 2492 02:24:43.520 --> 02:24:46.200 question that you know. We have answered that. I appreciate 2493 02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:49.200 you answering it in different ways, detail ways. Keep up 2494 02:24:49.200 --> 02:24:50.680 the good word. Yeah, I would just say riad A 2495 02:24:51.000 --> 02:24:54.120 creation x Nilo by William Lane Craig, even though I 2496 02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:59.040 don't typically recommend William Lane Craig. But okay, so guys, 2497 02:24:59.040 --> 02:25:00.719 don't want to remind you to. I have a show sponsor, 2498 02:25:00.760 --> 02:25:04.440 which is chalk dot comchoq dot com, the best in supplementation. 2499 02:25:04.920 --> 02:25:07.719 You've got Oshawa Ganda for mental focus. You've got the 2500 02:25:07.760 --> 02:25:11.559 Tonkatilie for boosting testosterone, You've got the Chad mode for 2501 02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:14.079 pre workout. All those great products over at chalk dot 2502 02:25:14.079 --> 02:25:17.639 com choq dot com. Also to remind you guys that 2503 02:25:17.760 --> 02:25:21.319 next up, I'm halfway through Siphadin almost is excellent book, 2504 02:25:21.719 --> 02:25:24.520 the Bitcoin Standard. The first half of the book covers 2505 02:25:24.559 --> 02:25:27.000 the history of money. I didn't even realize that you're 2506 02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:30.399 basically getting an entire history lesson on money. Of course, 2507 02:25:30.440 --> 02:25:34.239 he is coming from the Austrian school of economics largely, 2508 02:25:34.280 --> 02:25:36.760 which is I would say about eighty to ninety percent correct. 2509 02:25:36.799 --> 02:25:40.600 I have some reservations about Austrian economics, but overall it's 2510 02:25:40.719 --> 02:25:45.479 definitely way better than socialist or Keynesian economics, of which 2511 02:25:45.799 --> 02:25:48.639 the first half is a great critique. The second half 2512 02:25:48.680 --> 02:25:53.159 then gets into the value proposition for bitcoin as a currency, 2513 02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:58.239 so we're gonna be covering that next maybe tomorrow. We'll 2514 02:25:58.239 --> 02:26:00.479 see when I'm ready to do a part one, So 2515 02:26:00.559 --> 02:26:02.959 be sure and come on over and listen to our 2516 02:26:03.040 --> 02:26:06.360 defense a bigcoin. I'm gonna be dealing with all the objections. 2517 02:26:06.680 --> 02:26:08.200 I've heard them all a million times for the last 2518 02:26:08.319 --> 02:26:09.959 nine years. I'm sure all of you and the audience 2519 02:26:10.000 --> 02:26:12.319 are going to have all the same thought objections, so 2520 02:26:12.399 --> 02:26:15.040 go ahead and bring it. I'm ready. Let's get into 2521 02:26:15.040 --> 02:26:18.840 Siphidine's book. And then of course we have a doctor 2522 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:21.000 David Patrick. Harry's channel is linked to be sure and 2523 02:26:21.079 --> 02:26:24.360 follow him, and he is in the show description and 2524 02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:30.280 his logos academy. Do you have any other issues, any 2525 02:26:30.319 --> 02:26:32.079 other things on your mind you want to get? By 2526 02:26:32.079 --> 02:26:34.680 the way, who remind everybody? The last time that Cotel 2527 02:26:34.719 --> 02:26:36.040 and I did is stream. It was one of my 2528 02:26:36.079 --> 02:26:39.280 favorites because he brought me on to talk about British 2529 02:26:39.319 --> 02:26:43.040 intelligence and Islam. I love talking about espionage and spy stuff, 2530 02:26:43.040 --> 02:26:45.440 probably more than anything else. Well, I said that it's 2531 02:26:45.479 --> 02:26:47.959 equal up there with I mean, obviously I talk about theology, 2532 02:26:47.959 --> 02:26:50.239 but I'm saying like, other than the theological stuff, I 2533 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:52.200 like to talk about the spy stuff and I like 2534 02:26:52.239 --> 02:26:54.680 to do the comedic stuff. So that's up there. So 2535 02:26:55.239 --> 02:26:57.479 be sure and check out our stream on British intelligence 2536 02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:02.479 and Islam. That was a fascinating topic. Kotol, What is 2537 02:27:02.520 --> 02:27:05.120 on your mind? What are you doing next? What should 2538 02:27:05.159 --> 02:27:05.920 we be looking for? 2539 02:27:08.239 --> 02:27:09.840 I mean the big thing that I'm doing next is 2540 02:27:09.959 --> 02:27:13.120 as I mentioned earlier, is trying to get this dissertation published, 2541 02:27:13.520 --> 02:27:17.440 and so some of the stuff, as I kind of 2542 02:27:17.440 --> 02:27:20.079 gave an overview, I don't want to repeat myself, but 2543 02:27:20.719 --> 02:27:24.959 if you're interested in a detailed and then again, this 2544 02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:30.680 is very academic take on comparing Orthodox deification theosis and 2545 02:27:30.719 --> 02:27:32.680 how this has kind of been bastardized and how we 2546 02:27:32.719 --> 02:27:36.120 got to a point in which transhumanism is actually competing 2547 02:27:36.200 --> 02:27:40.000 with other Christian sentiments. And so there there is like 2548 02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:44.600 the Christian Transhumanist Association. It's actually I think headquartered in Tennessee, 2549 02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:46.239 maybe around Nashville. 2550 02:27:47.319 --> 02:27:49.280 Even though so that's in our neighborhood. 2551 02:27:49.680 --> 02:27:56.159 Yeah, yeah, it's and it's not it's not really super influential, 2552 02:27:56.760 --> 02:27:59.440 but they are very outspoken and they try to they 2553 02:27:59.479 --> 02:28:02.959 try to corporate like Saint Maximus the Confessor and Orthodox 2554 02:28:03.000 --> 02:28:06.879 Saints as like oh look again, they're not Orthodox. It's 2555 02:28:06.920 --> 02:28:10.200 a very progressive form of Christianity. It's non denominational. But 2556 02:28:10.399 --> 02:28:14.280 they are constantly appealing to Orthodox theosis as being the 2557 02:28:14.360 --> 02:28:19.520 continuity and strand that transhumanists is emerging from. And so 2558 02:28:19.600 --> 02:28:22.280 the dissertation, like, if you're interested in theories of mine, 2559 02:28:22.319 --> 02:28:26.280 we're talking about functionalism and what is the metaphysics of 2560 02:28:26.280 --> 02:28:31.200 a transhumanist paradigm, and these various groups that are explicitly 2561 02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:35.000 religious in they're transhumanism. You know, there's the Alcore Life 2562 02:28:35.040 --> 02:28:37.959 Extension Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, this where they're doing cryonic 2563 02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:41.040 freezing and stuff like that. And the head philosopher of 2564 02:28:41.040 --> 02:28:46.280 transhumanism is Max Moore. He's an atheist guy who actually 2565 02:28:46.319 --> 02:28:49.120 has an article that I quote in the dissertation called 2566 02:28:49.120 --> 02:28:52.200 in Praise of the Devil where he appeals to Satan. 2567 02:28:53.079 --> 02:28:56.920 He argues, not an ontologically real figure, but a perfect 2568 02:28:57.000 --> 02:29:02.559 archetype to rebel against this constraining system of Christian morality, 2569 02:29:02.559 --> 02:29:05.479 and Christian it's almost like a Nietzschean thing, like the 2570 02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:09.719 Christian slave morality. So that transhumanism can actually elevate us 2571 02:29:09.799 --> 02:29:14.000 to the promise that Lucifer, the true inspiration of human liberation, 2572 02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:20.680 can move us towards. And so that dissertation, like I said, 2573 02:29:20.680 --> 02:29:22.920 it's going to be a book titled Return to Babylon 2574 02:29:22.959 --> 02:29:26.239 From Adam to Antichrist is the kind of working title 2575 02:29:26.280 --> 02:29:28.879 that I got. I'm trying to come up with a 2576 02:29:28.920 --> 02:29:32.520 book cover right now. And so we haven't fully landed 2577 02:29:32.559 --> 02:29:36.239 on one that's perfect. But the general theme I was thinking, 2578 02:29:36.399 --> 02:29:38.639 and anybody has advised, feel free to reach out to me, 2579 02:29:38.799 --> 02:29:43.760 was something like an apocalyptic dystopian wasteland where a Darwinian 2580 02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:46.840 evolution of man actually begins with like fallen atom and 2581 02:29:46.920 --> 02:29:51.079 leads to the transhumanist Antichrist, and behind them is like 2582 02:29:51.120 --> 02:29:55.680 an Orthodox Byzantine church or something, and it's not affected 2583 02:29:55.719 --> 02:29:58.520 by the detritus and all the debris of the dystopian 2584 02:29:58.559 --> 02:30:02.680 scene behind it, because there's not really again the academic 2585 02:30:02.719 --> 02:30:06.440 title so long and verbose that it it's not catchy. 2586 02:30:06.520 --> 02:30:08.680 So I came up with return to Babylon from Adam 2587 02:30:08.719 --> 02:30:11.920 to Antichrist, and I hope that's something of that theme. Again, 2588 02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:13.959 we haven't landed on something. I've been trying to use 2589 02:30:14.079 --> 02:30:16.879 AI and stuff to get a template, and then my 2590 02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:19.440 thumbnail guy who is going to help actually create the 2591 02:30:19.479 --> 02:30:23.319 actual book cover, so it's not just AI generated. But 2592 02:30:23.399 --> 02:30:25.760 I hope, as I said, to have that out by August. 2593 02:30:27.319 --> 02:30:29.680 And so I launched the Logos Academy. That was the 2594 02:30:29.680 --> 02:30:32.520 big one after the whatever podcast, is trying to launch 2595 02:30:32.559 --> 02:30:36.200 the community, get all the content up there again. If 2596 02:30:36.239 --> 02:30:38.639 you joined today, it's it's the last day. To get 2597 02:30:38.680 --> 02:30:40.959 the founding member price, which is just twenty five dollars, 2598 02:30:41.040 --> 02:30:43.079 and if you purchase for the full year, it's two fifty. 2599 02:30:43.120 --> 02:30:45.000 So you get two months free and you get a 2600 02:30:45.000 --> 02:30:47.079 free week. So if you sign up, you automatically get 2601 02:30:47.079 --> 02:30:48.600 a free week trial. So if you get on there 2602 02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:48.959 and you like. 2603 02:30:49.159 --> 02:30:55.000 Get free weed, yeah, free weed, it sounds lot. Free week. 2604 02:30:55.159 --> 02:30:55.600 That was a joke. 2605 02:30:55.760 --> 02:30:59.079 Free week. Yeah. So you get on there and you're like, yeah, 2606 02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:02.639 this deep h is full of shit, he doesn't you know? Okay, 2607 02:31:02.920 --> 02:31:05.280 you can leave and not spend any your money. I 2608 02:31:05.280 --> 02:31:07.319 would assume if you spend your time and you actually 2609 02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:08.959 engage with the guys in the community, you're going to 2610 02:31:09.040 --> 02:31:11.280 appreciate it and find it worth your value. I mean, 2611 02:31:11.319 --> 02:31:13.680 this is gonna My goal is once we have three 2612 02:31:13.840 --> 02:31:17.079 four courses, you know, the price to be a member 2613 02:31:17.120 --> 02:31:19.719 is going to continually to go up. So if that's 2614 02:31:19.719 --> 02:31:23.440 something you're interested in, and so, as I said, trying 2615 02:31:23.440 --> 02:31:25.159 to get some ebooks out. So by the end of 2616 02:31:25.200 --> 02:31:28.559 the year, my goal is to have one academic book, 2617 02:31:29.920 --> 02:31:32.120 which I know is not going to be a popular seller, 2618 02:31:32.440 --> 02:31:35.520 a couple general books for regular people, tied with courses 2619 02:31:35.680 --> 02:31:40.040 on the on the Academy. But then I was speaking 2620 02:31:40.079 --> 02:31:42.399 with and I mentioned, actually, Rachel thought this was a 2621 02:31:42.440 --> 02:31:45.159 great idea. Is I was thinking about writing a book 2622 02:31:45.319 --> 02:31:48.719 for an eighteen year old mail because you look at 2623 02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:52.079 like Relo Tomolo, he's got the rational mail or you know, 2624 02:31:52.079 --> 02:31:53.600 a lot of the people in the manosphere are these 2625 02:31:53.639 --> 02:31:56.440 online contents. I think Ruslan has his own book. They're 2626 02:31:56.559 --> 02:31:59.079 very general books for the average reader, yea. And so 2627 02:31:59.680 --> 02:32:02.040 everything that I've written is not for the average reader, 2628 02:32:02.079 --> 02:32:04.879 and it's not going to be popular. It's very academic. 2629 02:32:05.000 --> 02:32:09.159 So I thought for something more popular oriented, is I 2630 02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:10.399 was going to do it write a book called The 2631 02:32:10.440 --> 02:32:13.719 Crisis of Man, and I want to start on this 2632 02:32:13.760 --> 02:32:15.879 by the end of the year and basically bring an 2633 02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:18.719 eighteen year old male who knows nothing up to speed 2634 02:32:18.959 --> 02:32:23.079 on the state of the world, so central banking, federal reserve, 2635 02:32:23.200 --> 02:32:27.280 Fiat currency, the meaning crisis, the death of God, you know, 2636 02:32:27.360 --> 02:32:29.159 the history of philosophy, how we get to the post 2637 02:32:29.159 --> 02:32:32.959 modern turn, the death of masculinity, the destruction of a 2638 02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:36.200 nuclear families, all this different stuff that we're dealing with 2639 02:32:36.280 --> 02:32:39.920 in culture, and write it not so much for somebody 2640 02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:42.680 who has a background knowledge in this stuff, but assuming 2641 02:32:42.840 --> 02:32:46.079 an eighteen year old guy knows absolutely nothing to have 2642 02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:47.959 like a one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy 2643 02:32:47.959 --> 02:32:50.520 five page book that kind of brings them up to speed. 2644 02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:53.680 And then the conclusion is orthodoxy. But it's not going 2645 02:32:53.719 --> 02:32:56.639 to be marketed as an orthodox book. It's just going 2646 02:32:56.680 --> 02:32:59.520 to demonstrate everything that we're dealing with again, the crisis 2647 02:32:59.520 --> 02:33:02.840 of man, why orthodoxy is the ultimate solution. So my 2648 02:33:02.959 --> 02:33:06.200 goal is that will be a general reader, a physical 2649 02:33:06.239 --> 02:33:09.360 copy book, and I hope to have that done by 2650 02:33:09.399 --> 02:33:13.040 like next summer. So that's kind of the big things 2651 02:33:13.239 --> 02:33:16.879 on the agenda. And of course creating streams so you know, 2652 02:33:17.000 --> 02:33:19.600 church eternal logos, that's always gonna kind of be the 2653 02:33:19.639 --> 02:33:22.360 same thing. And then I have an old YouTube channel 2654 02:33:22.360 --> 02:33:24.440 that we mentioned, the one on Psychedelics that I've kind 2655 02:33:24.440 --> 02:33:27.680 of rebranded as doctor David Patrick Harry, and I think 2656 02:33:27.719 --> 02:33:30.360 that's gonna be more of like whatever's the popular topic 2657 02:33:30.360 --> 02:33:32.680 people are talking about. Do like video reviews. I mean 2658 02:33:32.680 --> 02:33:35.079 you look at like the Daily Wires level of content. 2659 02:33:35.079 --> 02:33:37.760 It's really just commentary on things that the people are doing. 2660 02:33:37.959 --> 02:33:40.000 I watched it one hour of Ben Shapiro, and I 2661 02:33:40.040 --> 02:33:42.200 was just sick because I've never watched it, and it's like, 2662 02:33:42.280 --> 02:33:44.479 basically he just watches a clip and then tells you 2663 02:33:44.520 --> 02:33:46.000 what was in the clip that you just watched, And 2664 02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:47.840 I'm like, well, why are people paying for this? I 2665 02:33:47.879 --> 02:33:50.799 don't understand, literally, what's the value in this is so lame? 2666 02:33:52.600 --> 02:33:54.680 Basically the Daily Wire, Yeah, p. 2667 02:33:54.760 --> 02:33:58.799 Man two dollars. Is there an Elamite Islamistan, Mason, Persian 2668 02:33:58.920 --> 02:34:02.559 caa connection? I don't know. It's a lot of things 2669 02:34:02.600 --> 02:34:04.959 strung together. I think the CIA definitely has an interest 2670 02:34:05.040 --> 02:34:09.159 in Shia Islam and Iran and in that sense Persia. 2671 02:34:09.239 --> 02:34:11.120 I don't know about all that other stuff though. V 2672 02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:15.239 Scott two dollars. Is the site something that women can 2673 02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:16.959 eventually join or only men? 2674 02:34:18.440 --> 02:34:21.280 It's only for men right now. So last night we 2675 02:34:21.319 --> 02:34:24.680 had our first group meeting and it was overwhelmingly supported 2676 02:34:24.680 --> 02:34:27.799 by all the men that no women can join our meetings. 2677 02:34:29.200 --> 02:34:31.760 It's just an all male space. It's for male formation, 2678 02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:34.799 and we got guys that are very successful, like mature men, 2679 02:34:36.280 --> 02:34:39.319 and so the goal is to get young guys, established 2680 02:34:39.319 --> 02:34:41.879 men together and then talk about and learn about a 2681 02:34:41.920 --> 02:34:47.399 variety of different things. So no, no women are allowed. Unfortunately, 2682 02:34:47.440 --> 02:34:50.600 I'm sure there's women only spaces, but the logos against. 2683 02:34:50.280 --> 02:34:52.239 It's a woman. It's a black woman only space over 2684 02:34:52.239 --> 02:34:55.559 here on my channel. So all of you ladies, especially 2685 02:34:55.600 --> 02:34:57.799 black ladies, You're all welcome over here on my channel, 2686 02:34:58.200 --> 02:35:02.159 even though co Tell doesn't want you. I do, right, 2687 02:35:02.399 --> 02:35:04.639 I'm like Lady Liberty over here. I got that torch. 2688 02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:09.079 Bring me all of your sullen masses and your black 2689 02:35:09.159 --> 02:35:13.440 ladies over here on my channel. I'm just kidding. You 2690 02:35:13.479 --> 02:35:17.200 look mad? Is that making you? You look like you're mad. 2691 02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:19.680 We've been making jokes on my channel for a while 2692 02:35:19.719 --> 02:35:24.520 now that like there's only like nine percent female audience 2693 02:35:24.520 --> 02:35:26.959 of my channel in terms of the demographics, but I 2694 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:29.280 keep saying, like black people popping up in the comments. 2695 02:35:29.280 --> 02:35:31.120 So I'm thinking, like maybe I just have like nine 2696 02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:38.639 percent black girl audience. But I'm just joking. I'm just joking, 2697 02:35:39.239 --> 02:35:41.719 you know. I think we need more all male spaces. 2698 02:35:41.799 --> 02:35:45.959 It doesn't even exist anymore. And that like feminist will 2699 02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:47.719 like sue you if you try to create that kind 2700 02:35:47.719 --> 02:35:50.639 of stuff on a big scale, Like if you try 2701 02:35:50.639 --> 02:35:53.239 to create a business, you know, like a cigar bar 2702 02:35:53.399 --> 02:35:56.079 that's only for you know, guys, and then you'll get 2703 02:35:56.079 --> 02:35:59.120 feminists it'll sue you. It's it's just insane. V Scott 2704 02:35:59.159 --> 02:35:59.440 says to