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<v Speaker 1>It's time for Coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot of really good college basketball matchups. Tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky's taken on ole Miss. Currently, Kentucky is four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half point underdogs. Ole Miss projected to win this

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<v Speaker 2>one by three eighty to seventy seven according to Ken Palm.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we discussed earlier, these Kentucky's been in this

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<v Speaker 2>exact same spot, not as bad, I guess as the

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<v Speaker 2>loss to Arkansas, because again, take away the element of Caliperi,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still, at least on paper, your worst loss. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe it's not it's maybe this isn't something

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<v Speaker 2>that continues to trend. But they've been in the spot

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<v Speaker 2>where they've had a loss that they probably feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they should not have had and then the next thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they got to turn around and go on

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<v Speaker 2>the road and play a really good team and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look great, but then they win. I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>did it last week against Tennessee whenever they were coming

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<v Speaker 2>off that loss to Vandy, and then before that, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Mississippi State game right after they'd lost to Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was, went down there and won in

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<v Speaker 2>Starkville and then beat Gonzaga. After slipping up, well not

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<v Speaker 2>really slipping up, they get blown out by twenty points

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<v Speaker 2>to Ohio State. So Mark Pope's been in this spot

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<v Speaker 2>before and he's been able to bounce back. But doing

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<v Speaker 2>it old miss against Chris Beard much easier said than done. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona BYU. That's not a game that really does a

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<v Speaker 2>lot for me. But Arizona currently a top fifteen team

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ken Palm.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's see who else.

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State UCLA, which I gotta get Mick cronin some credit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he motivated his team by calling him out

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<v Speaker 2>and really just reminding us how miserable he is and

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<v Speaker 2>how unlikable he is. I mean when he just went

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<v Speaker 2>on his rant about how he works hard, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to do anything else, he's got so many wins.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was really feeling himself after losing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was two in a row or three in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. And how how young he was, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so uh, I don't remember, because after that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up losing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think two more.

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<v Speaker 2>But then since then they've actually really turned it on

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<v Speaker 2>and they beat Iowa, a good Wisconsin team, beat Washington USC,

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<v Speaker 2>and then most recently they beat Oregon who was having

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<v Speaker 2>a good season, and man, they're kind of falling apart now.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michigan State is who UCLA place tonight? This will

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<v Speaker 2>be in La So.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's the spread on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Take a guess UCLA Michigan State at UCLA.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say three.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a late tip, so let me see here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so UCLA minus three, you said, yes, it's UCLA

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<v Speaker 2>minus two, and sure enough, Ken Palm predicts that UCLA

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<v Speaker 2>will win by two seventy to sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's taugh But yeah, Cronin, I mean he's certainly responded. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They end up losing five of six games from December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first to January thirteenth, and since then they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>lost and they certainly look to be in much better

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<v Speaker 2>shape for the tournament now, which, by the way, I

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<v Speaker 2>may play this later. There's a good story when these

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<v Speaker 2>two guys were assistant coaches at Louisville, both Mick Cronin

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<v Speaker 2>and Kevin Willard, who's now at Maryland. Previously, Seaton Hall

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<v Speaker 2>and Iona Mick played a prank on Kevin Willard that

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was actually pretty funny. So there's a good

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<v Speaker 2>clip that I can play a little bit later that

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<v Speaker 2>I think you guys will find funny as well. But also,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Purdue in Iowa tonight, Marquette and Saint John's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big time matchup. Really, that's the game to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of determine who's gonna take the lead here in

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<v Speaker 2>the Big East. Because right now, I mean Saint John's

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<v Speaker 2>is sitting at nineteen and three. Their only loss is

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<v Speaker 2>a one point loss to Crayton at Creighton. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they've been on fire, and really Rick's got it rolling

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I mean their loss to George doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as it did when you took it, and

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<v Speaker 2>really that still isn't a bad loss. They lost in overtime,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, double overtime to Baylor, a game that they

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<v Speaker 2>were they really had no business losing. And then again

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<v Speaker 2>that one slip up to Creighton that was in December.

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<v Speaker 2>So they they're rolling right now, and Marquette really good team.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coming off the loss to Yukon, which it's weird

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<v Speaker 2>to say that losing the Yukon is like a bad

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<v Speaker 2>loss because it's not. But you know, Yukon is currently

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<v Speaker 2>thirty fifth in the Ken Palm, and that was I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that was I mean, that was before they just knocked

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<v Speaker 2>off a really good Marquette team. So right now it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like these two teams, Marquette Saint John's are in

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<v Speaker 2>the driver's seat for the Big East. But we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe Dan Hurley gets hot and gets it rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>But really, outside of I mean, let's see, outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Saint John's, Marquette, Connecticut and Creighton, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that league falls off.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've had people mention this here and there on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the on the text line, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>have some numbers that I want to get to later

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think you're right here. The ACC's get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of heat for being bad, and it is bad,

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<v Speaker 2>especially considering what it used to be. And I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even claim that I think that the ACC is like

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<v Speaker 2>better than the Big East, because I don't. But Duke

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<v Speaker 2>is better than any team in I would say, in

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<v Speaker 2>both the Big East in the Big Twelve. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>propping you up like the Big East is having a

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<v Speaker 2>down year, and really, I mean, I'm looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers here. Sorry to be spinning my wheels, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that outside of those four teams, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>even like a decent team in the Big East. They're

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of bad, I mean really bad actually so

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<v Speaker 2>and look who knows, mate, I mean, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>hard time seeing those four teams not making it. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the ACC. Here's what's gonna happen. Let's say the

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<v Speaker 2>ACC ends up getting five six teams in because of

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<v Speaker 2>the bubble bouncing the right way for these ACC teams

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<v Speaker 2>that are on the bubble and in the Big East

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<v Speaker 2>only gets four in. It'll be some people claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>that means that the ACC is better, and it really

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<v Speaker 2>all depends on how you want to look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But my whole thing is like, why are people in

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<v Speaker 2>denial about the ACC? Like there's nothing you can do

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<v Speaker 2>about it, right? You just support your team, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you want your league to be good because

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<v Speaker 2>if your league's good, that's gonna make your team look good.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously, if you lose games in league play and

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<v Speaker 2>your league has respect it is valued, then it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to hit you as much. And if you win games, man,

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<v Speaker 2>and your league is good, then you're getting good wins.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, that's just so obviously not the situation that

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<v Speaker 2>we're in. And it's really not even an opinion, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fact. Like the AEC not only is not a

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<v Speaker 2>good league, it's also crazy different than it was ten

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. And when I say that, people bring up like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know all the coaches, Well, yeah, of course that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm I'm not asking you how it happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe it is worth questioning how did they

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<v Speaker 2>get this bad?

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, there's gonna be new hires made, and

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<v Speaker 3>they got to get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Dave Jennings earlier, who's a big

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<v Speaker 2>Florida State fan, and you know, the big if big

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<v Speaker 2>jobs open up, and we were just in this position, right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if big jobs open up, who are they going to get?

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<v Speaker 3>There was a time where you just could feel, you

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<v Speaker 3>could just you know, you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel there were guys that were clearly gonna be ready

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<v Speaker 2>to take the next jump up to a job. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Dusty May was the guy, and he did. He went

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<v Speaker 2>from fau to Michigan. You know Pat Kelsey did that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there wasn't I mean, let's be real, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of hype about ho, who's gonna hire

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<v Speaker 2>this guy? He's the next star and so far he's

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<v Speaker 2>been great. But you know, back in the day when

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Stevens was at Butler, Shaka Smart was at VCU,

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<v Speaker 2>even Chris Macket Xavier. I mean, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks that thought he'd never leave Xavier because he

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<v Speaker 2>played there is from Cincinnati, and he did get a

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<v Speaker 2>number one seed, brought in a top ten recruiting class

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<v Speaker 2>at Xavier. But it's Xavier, so it didn't really surprise people.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when he took the Louisville job, I think people realize, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that was a great story. It's Xavier, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Louisville comes calling, you take the job. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know, like there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna be a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are already are openings right now in the

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<v Speaker 2>acc that I mean, you've got Leonard Hamilton's upping down

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year, Miami's open, Virginia's open.

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that Syracuse is going to open up

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<v Speaker 2>at least it should and then I doubt they move

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<v Speaker 2>on from Damon stodhomire at Georgia Tech this early, But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of it. I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 2>other job. There's other schools that I feel like are

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<v Speaker 2>going to have an opening in the ACC. But either way,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you go out and hire a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that has good resources built in and I don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you know he's got top five inile money, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>not I mean only the elite programs seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to really do that. So, but if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a competitive nil situation and you've got a coach who

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<v Speaker 2>has a formula that has worked at a lower level,

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<v Speaker 2>like a Charleston like of Utah Valley State, like Pope

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<v Speaker 2>was how Pope was winning, like you could if you

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<v Speaker 2>have good resources and you were at a place that

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<v Speaker 2>has had success in basketball, you can go hire a

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<v Speaker 2>proven good coach. I guess what I'm getting at is

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<v Speaker 2>the whole Well, I don't know if he can do

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<v Speaker 2>it at this level. He was good at the mid major,

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<v Speaker 2>but can he do it at the big time? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think things have changed to where you don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to have that larger than life vibe about yourself to

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<v Speaker 2>walk into a high school kid's house and recruit him anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you got money, you can make up for

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not being super famous, right and if you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're selling an opportunity and you look I think you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be relatable. You have to be charismatic. Players

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<v Speaker 2>have to want to play for you. But like, you

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<v Speaker 2>can go get a guy that is successful in the

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<v Speaker 2>lower levels, maybe not even like to maybe not to

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<v Speaker 2>Dusty May's level as far as going to a final four.

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<v Speaker 2>But if your job has good resources, they can win

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<v Speaker 2>because you can go buy players. Now, you can use

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<v Speaker 2>the you can use free agency essentially, which is the portal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the ACC is going to be back,

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<v Speaker 2>I really do. But anybody acting like it's not in

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<v Speaker 2>a bad way right now, I guess it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in denial. So again, a lot of good games tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Only one good game last night as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>big time matchups, and it wasn't a good game because

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<v Speaker 3>And this is just a crazy, crazy stat.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill self is now thirty seven and zero at Kansas

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<v Speaker 2>on Big Monday when they're at home. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that is a I mean, the fact that he's coached

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven Big Monday games at home at Allen Fieldhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it does speak to how long he's been

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<v Speaker 2>last night Iowa State was there because they're their top five,

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<v Speaker 2>not something you hang a banner for, but it proves

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<v Speaker 2>how good he is in those kind of matchups and

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<v Speaker 2>also that you know, that's a tough place to play.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be there all the time in the

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<v Speaker 2>like last night. I mean, Virginia, by the way, gets blown.

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia blows out Pitt at Pitt like that. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of loss that if Caple and Pitt don't make

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<v Speaker 2>And they were a team that I feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>But when you lose to Virginia like that, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>to be, oh man, you kidding me. We got Louisville

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, I mean ESPN's probably reconsidering where they're putting

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<v Speaker 2>that game. I mean it's kind of tied into you know,

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<v Speaker 2>SEC network, that kind of stuff. But like that game

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<v Speaker 2>last night, I mean, not a good look for the league.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, like somebody asked this last week's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from now until selection Sunday? And I think the answer

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<v Speaker 2>the teams that are on the bubble continue to work

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<v Speaker 2>towards being on the right side of the bubble and

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<v Speaker 2>getting in the tournament. And that way you really just

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<v Speaker 2>have I don't know, five to six teams that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of maybe all beat up on each other. Duke's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in a world by themselves, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you just don't slip up and lose to teams like

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia at home, or don't slip up and lose to

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<v Speaker 2>teams like Georgia Tech anywhere. And Louisville did that, Pit

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<v Speaker 2>did that, and Louisville did such a good job in

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<v Speaker 2>January at really improving their situation that that loss isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a killer. But you know, you can't have many more

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<v Speaker 2>of them or any more of them really and not

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<v Speaker 2>start thinking about, all, right, does this put us where

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<v Speaker 2>we really are thinking about a sweaty evening on selection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, you've got in the ACC three teams that

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<v Speaker 2>as of now are safely in Duke, Clemson and Louisville,

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<v Speaker 2>and then after that you've got SMU, Wake Forest, Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>and North Carolina. Those are the teams that you know

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<v Speaker 2>are alive essentially in the tournament as far as the bubble.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean with Pitt, I mean, you gotta keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, Pitt is now lost. You know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize this, Pitt. They lost four in a row, Duke, Louisville,

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<v Speaker 2>Florida State, Clemson, and then they beat Kees and they

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<v Speaker 2>beat Carolina. Looked like that was going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and by the way, that was a pivotal

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<v Speaker 2>game last week because Carolina and Pitt kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>the same exact spot. Put you in a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>if you end up where your neck and neck with

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<v Speaker 2>each other when it comes to resumes, whoever ruins that

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<v Speaker 2>head to head might get the nod. But Pitt got it,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't turn around, lost to Wake Forest. Now they lost

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<v Speaker 2>to Virginia. So they've lost six of eight games since

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<v Speaker 2>January seventh. So like, I gotta be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think pits in I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>And and again it's you got plenty of time left,

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<v Speaker 2>right we're in early February. But what the ACC has

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<v Speaker 2>now that I've never seen before is such a lack

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<v Speaker 2>like if you put yourself in a tough spot in February,

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of cooked unless you just go on some

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<v Speaker 2>crazy run in the ACC tournament. I mean, if pen

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<v Speaker 2>ends up winning out and you know, they end up

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<v Speaker 2>having you know, a really good record and they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and eight or thirteen and seven in the ACC,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll get back into the good side of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I just don't know how you could look

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<v Speaker 2>at pitt as a bubble team. And again, Carolina, They've

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<v Speaker 2>got good metrics for a team that you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen and ten. Like, I mean, Carolina still keeps getting

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned as a bubble team that could maybe get there,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's Carolina. They do have a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to play Duke, and their numbers aren't bad for a

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<v Speaker 2>team that's thirteen and ten, but they're thirteen and ten,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how good? How are they even sniffing the bubble?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just don't think Carolina can be six

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<v Speaker 2>and five in an ACC this bad and still be

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<v Speaker 2>at as a team that might make the tournament. So

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<v Speaker 2>then you get to smu who and I guess Wake Forest.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, Wake, I'm not even gonna get into them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're their own worst enemy as far as

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<v Speaker 2>how it came because again, after they lost to Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>They went and beat Pitt which was a good win

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<v Speaker 2>for them, you know, comparatively speaking. So they are sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and six and they have no bad losses and when

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<v Speaker 2>better than most ACC teams have, but they're not in

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<v Speaker 2>the top seventy five like in again, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to sound like a broken record, but like that, that's

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<v Speaker 2>easily avoidable if you just you know, know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe WAKE ends up getting there, but if not,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't be surprised. And then SMU again, they're the

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<v Speaker 2>tricky team because they don't have really any bad losses either,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just taking advantage of a down ACC like other

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<v Speaker 2>teams like Louisville Ar. I mean, like right now, this

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<v Speaker 2>SMU team, they're currently in third place in the league

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<v Speaker 2>behind Duke Clemson in Louisville. So you know, with that

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<v Speaker 2>eight and three, fourteen and six overall, top forty five

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ken Palm, like I'd say they're they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>the most likely team to get in outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>three Duke Clemson in Louisville, but like even there on

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<v Speaker 2>the bubble. So anyways, whoever these coaches hire, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it has to be some big name.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can see, I think you can see

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<v Speaker 2>certain guys that you know have shown that they've been

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<v Speaker 2>successful and maybe not because again what happens, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is I've always argued this was this was stupid. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's examples that show you that, Like, you shouldn't hire

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's one thing on his resume is one

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<v Speaker 2>specific run in the tournament, because doesn't guarantee that he

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<v Speaker 2>that he will you know, fail. But man like Shaka Smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Shaka Smart is doing well at Marquette now, but like

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<v Speaker 2>he's never really won in the tournament in the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that like you remember about him is that he

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<v Speaker 2>went to the final four a VCU. Like Dusty May

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<v Speaker 2>is doing a fine job at Michigan right now, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>other than that, there was really nothing on his resume

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<v Speaker 2>that made it seem like he was that special other

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<v Speaker 2>than he made a final four at a FAU, which

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<v Speaker 2>again that has value. I'm not acting like that doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't we shouldn't include it. But we are so

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<v Speaker 2>crazy when it comes to college basketball that there is

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<v Speaker 2>so much emphasis on what you do in March and

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of runs you make in the tournament. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that like we overvalue it, like it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter, but we also kind of just lose context

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation to where that doesn't define if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a good or bad coach. Like, for example, Pat Kelsey

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<v Speaker 2>and Mark Pope had never won a tourna neither of

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<v Speaker 2>him ever won an n SAA tournament game, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They may not who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think both will probably be just fine

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<v Speaker 2>at both Louisville and Kentucky. But my point is they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have that deep run. Therefore, they weren't being talked

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<v Speaker 2>about as next guy up. Right when somebody is looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a new coach and they're a big time program

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<v Speaker 2>that has high expectations for basketball, that's who they're gonna call.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we only said that about guys who make the tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's one year. And yet, if you really

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, I'm not taking away final fours because again,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a lot of value and they matter, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy to do either. But Pat Kelsey winning

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<v Speaker 2>like he did at Charleston and Winthrop and Pope winning

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<v Speaker 2>at Utah Valley and then winning at BYU, like, am

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<v Speaker 2>I crazy to think that's actually more impressive than a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's been mediocre at best and then getting hot

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<v Speaker 2>and making one tournament run.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I'm not saying you can just.

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<v Speaker 2>Go easily recreate Pope and Kelsey, because I think we

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<v Speaker 2>got luckier in here. I think these guys are pretty

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<v Speaker 2>special as coaches. Maybe that's just you know, me being biased,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's other guys that have probably been successful at

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<v Speaker 2>that level, but without that tournament run, they're not being

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned for these jobs. That doesn't mean they can't take

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<v Speaker 2>their formula that's succeeding at the lower level and make

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<v Speaker 2>it work at the higher level. And again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that transition is actually easier now than it's ever been

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<v Speaker 2>because what you may lack and experience with big time recruits,

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<v Speaker 2>what you may lack and experience in like big time environments,

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, you could make up for

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<v Speaker 2>it with money in il and you know, flipping your

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<v Speaker 2>Who knew a Microsoft Windows prompt would actually hit with

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<v Speaker 2>So super Bowl will be here in what five days,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm excited about everything that comes with Super Bowl commercials.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to a Super Bowl party with

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<v Speaker 2>some friends and family and that's always a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But the game itself, I mean, I'm just I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that it's the Eagles that keep the Chiefs from three peating.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd be a liar if I said I had

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<v Speaker 2>an real doubt about the Chiefs, you know, And this

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<v Speaker 2>is where like, this is where they'll just come out

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<v Speaker 2>and be good and will have to just accept it

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<v Speaker 2>because they haven't been flashy this year by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>They have had performances despite being wins where they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't look scary and uh, you know, they still win though,

418
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<v Speaker 2>And I think the Eagles have had a phenomenal season.

419
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<v Speaker 2>But the Chiefs I think are the deserving favorites until

420
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<v Speaker 2>somebody can can take them down.

421
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<v Speaker 3>Endured that down it is there we go Micro it's

422
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<v Speaker 3>just it's just uh, it's just uh.

423
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<v Speaker 2>When it's it's when it's the tiny little amount of

424
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<v Speaker 2>sound that's coming into the headphones, it makes it feels

425
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<v Speaker 2>like somebody's hijacked my brain. Because have you ever felt

426
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<v Speaker 2>like you heard something and then you can't, like you

427
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<v Speaker 2>wait a second. That that that drafts me insane all

428
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<v Speaker 2>the time.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

430
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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, speaking of the super Bowl this uh this week,

431
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<v Speaker 2>Rodger Gidell guess yesterday he has his h his annual

432
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<v Speaker 2>I guess State of the Union, and he did say

433
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<v Speaker 2>that an eighteen game NFL season is not going to

434
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<v Speaker 2>be discussed until the league starts collective bargaining talks, which

435
00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't ex that does not expire until twenty thirty one.

436
00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So seventeen is a random, weird number, and it seems

437
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<v Speaker 2>like adding another game or two just seems I mean,

438
00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.519
<v Speaker 2>at some point, I think they're gonna have twenty games.

439
00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I really do, because you know, why not. It's more

440
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<v Speaker 2>money for everybody, and you could give us thirty NFL

441
00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:30.480
<v Speaker 2>games and I think everybody's people are going to watch

442
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<v Speaker 2>because the NFL is is king. But we'll get into

443
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<v Speaker 2>some more NFL stuff a little bit later on in

444
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<v Speaker 2>the week, And I don't mean like breaking down the matchup.

445
00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean we could do that, but I

446
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<v Speaker 2>don't think that would be a whole lot of fun.

447
00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I think we kind of know the storylines here, right.

448
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<v Speaker 2>That's you know.

449
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<v Speaker 3>You've got Why can.

450
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<v Speaker 2>I think of his name, Sakwon Barkley, who has had

451
00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.160
<v Speaker 2>his best season really as a pro, and it's with

452
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<v Speaker 2>the Eagles. Clearly they you know, the only difference in

453
00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Barkley is one he's healthy, but also he's playing with

454
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<v Speaker 2>a winning franchise, and man, he's been sensational. Fact, now

455
00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:01.799
<v Speaker 2>that I think about it, if they are, like if

456
00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the Eagles are able to get it done and knock

457
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>off the Chiefs, keep them from getting a three peat,

458
00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.160
<v Speaker 2>get another Super Bowl ring for Philly, I just have

459
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.279
<v Speaker 2>a hard time thinking that it won't be because Barkley

460
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.200
<v Speaker 2>was that same guy he's been really all year for them.

461
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's been special. But you know, the Chiefs

462
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<v Speaker 2>got some pretty good defensive players. To Chris Jones has

463
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<v Speaker 2>got to be the most I mean he is, He's

464
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<v Speaker 2>he's talked about less than all the other components that

465
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<v Speaker 2>you feel like make the Chiefs special. Travis Kelce albeit

466
00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:36.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of a douchebag. He's one of, if not the

467
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.799
<v Speaker 2>best tight ends of all time. And we know what

468
00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Mahomes is, right, Andy Reid is a phenomenal coach, but

469
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<v Speaker 2>also Chris Jones has been one of the best defensive

470
00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.240
<v Speaker 2>players in the NFL for quite a while, and man,

471
00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>is he not a distant fourth when it comes to

472
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<v Speaker 2>being like recognized. I mean he's getting he's getting respect

473
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>from his peers, right, Like, the NFL knows he's great,

474
00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.920
<v Speaker 2>he's winning awards, but you just rarely ever hear anybody

475
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<v Speaker 2>bring him up. And you know that, don't let that, don't.

476
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 4>Let you care about it more every single year in

477
00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.240
<v Speaker 4>the postseason. I mean, he was kind of quiet a

478
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 4>little bit like earlier in the regular season, but he

479
00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.400
<v Speaker 4>just wrecks havoc when it comes to the playoffs, dude,

480
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 4>And it just makes you go like, Okay, well, could

481
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 4>you think about all the weapons that they have on offense. Yeah,

482
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.319
<v Speaker 4>and then you're like, oh my gosh, they have one

483
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<v Speaker 4>of the best pass rushers in recent history on the

484
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<v Speaker 4>defensive end.

485
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<v Speaker 2>And look, I think one of the talking points obviously

486
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 2>is and this is going to leave me to talking

487
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<v Speaker 2>about Chris Jones for.

488
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<v Speaker 3>Just a second.

489
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<v Speaker 2>But the Chiefs getting preferential treatment from the referees. That

490
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<v Speaker 2>has been a storyline all postseason in the NFL, and

491
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.039
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly a storyline to an extent, or maybe a

492
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>big extent when it comes to this matchup, because there

493
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>are people who are still going to watch, but they,

494
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, they just assume that the Chiefs are going

495
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>to win because the refs are in on it.

496
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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think this was productive. This is what

497
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<v Speaker 3>they did today.

498
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<v Speaker 2>The NFL Referees Association, their executive director Scott Green, put

499
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<v Speaker 2>out a long memo basically stating that they, you know,

500
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<v Speaker 2>they feel disrespected.

501
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Here's the quote from it.

502
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.799
<v Speaker 2>It is I'll just read directly from Tom Pellisara's reporters,

503
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 2>a statement from the NFL Referees Association executive director Scott Green,

504
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 2>who says it is insulting and preposterous to hear conspiracy

505
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>theories that somehow seventeen officiating crews consisting of one hundred

506
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and thirty eight officials are colluding to assist one team.

507
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I just maybe I'm naive, but I

508
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<v Speaker 2>never I just can't imagine a scenario where referees would

509
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<v Speaker 2>like intentionally be doing it. I think what this all

510
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 2>boils down to is a couple of things. One, the

511
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Chiefs are just really good at not making the same

512
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>mistakes that other teams make. And when you make that mistake,

513
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>they're going to make you pay for it, and you're

514
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<v Speaker 2>gonna feel like it's luck. Now, not to say they

515
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 2>haven't had I mean, Pat Mahomes does clearly have an

516
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>ability to trick people to make it look like he's

517
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna slide, and then they hit him, and then they

518
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<v Speaker 2>get the target, and then they get the roughing the passer,

519
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, unnecessary roughness penalty, and that's just something he's

520
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.319
<v Speaker 2>utilizing to his advantage. In the NFL is looking into it,

521
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and they're aware of it. They realize that's something they

522
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 2>got to fix. But you know, I just I not

523
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.799
<v Speaker 2>only do I am I naive, I guess, but I

524
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>also would never want to believe that, like what we're

525
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:14.759
<v Speaker 2>watching is not legitimately a competition that that nobody knows

526
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>is going to win. I mean that the integrity of

527
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>sports is something that I just you know, it wouldn't

528
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 2>We wouldn't have this if there if the results were

529
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>already you know, determined before these two teams play in

530
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>any sport. So anyways, I'll bring all this up to

531
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 2>say Chris Jones. I mean, I could think of at

532
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>least a few playoff games in their run here, as

533
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.079
<v Speaker 2>they've been dominant in the last I don't, however, many

534
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>years to where it wasn't a bailout by the officials.

535
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 2>It's that, you know, the defense came up huge and

536
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.400
<v Speaker 2>made a play, probably led by Chris Jones, and then

537
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>mahomes gets another opportunity. And when mahomes gets an opportunity late,

538
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna he's gonna put the nail in your coffin,

539
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Like that's just what he does, so you know Jones.

540
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I can't remember which game it was, but

541
00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>there was one game where it might not have been

542
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>last year, but maybe the year before, where like mahomes

543
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>ha had a not so great series, right, I don't

544
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.039
<v Speaker 2>think he turned it over, but like they needed to

545
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.880
<v Speaker 2>keep it moving and keep you know, try to go score,

546
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.440
<v Speaker 2>and they couldn't do it, so they had to punt it. Well,

547
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>sure enough, they made great plays on defense to get

548
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>the ball back and they were able to but nobody

549
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.400
<v Speaker 2>thinks about that. They just think about well, hell, you know,

550
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Mahomes is so great, he's so lucky, and the officials

551
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>help him. Look, I hate the Chiefs as much as anybody,

552
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 2>but I just it's become such a talking point that

553
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to realize that people truly do believe that

554
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a conspiracy that like the refs are out there

555
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>doing their job, which is to do what Roger Goodell wants,

556
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and that's for the Chiefs to win.

557
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I just, I don't.

558
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe people say it that much and it's

559
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:49.799
<v Speaker 2>tongue in cheek, but like I mean, clearly some people

560
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 2>believe it, and I maybe you're right. Maybe I'm the

561
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 2>one that's a fool and I'm wrong, and I'm I

562
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 2>guess I'm not saying you're a fool. If you believe that,

563
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 2>you can believe what you want. But I just you know,

564
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 2>the scenario, this is one of those things that because

565
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 2>the NBA has been accused of being rigged, right with

566
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 2>certain things that happened as far as storylines, But in

567
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 2>this day and age, if that was the case, we

568
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.319
<v Speaker 2>would know because nobody would be able to keep that

569
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>quiet this day and age like that would get out and.

570
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>You'd hear about it, so yeah, and you got to

571
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 3>keep in mind.

572
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Like again, now I feel like a real dummy really

573
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>just entertaining it as much as we have, because I mean,

574
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>do you realize how much trouble the NFL.

575
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Would get in? Oh yeah, that wouldn't be good, Like

576
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 3>they would ruin. I mean I don't.

577
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean like the league would have to shut

578
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>down because it's corrupt. I mean like criminal charges like

579
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you know of of you know, fooling people, fraud like all.

580
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean think about the sports.

581
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>But if even if they weren't benefiting from it from

582
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 2>like a sports wagering standpoint, like if they're if they're

583
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 2>out there letting people gamble on something that they know

584
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>the result to like that you can't. I mean, I

585
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the legal charge would be. So again,

586
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 2>nobody's out there conspiring. What happens is when you are

587
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>a dynasty and you are in this tier that the

588
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>chiefs are in, and you are Patrick Mahomes probably gonna

589
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>be maybe the best that ever did it. When it's

590
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 2>all said and done, you're gonna always end up probably

591
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>getting more calls than you're not gonna get. And that's

592
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>really how sports has always been, and it's not because

593
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of a conspiracy. It's because referees are human beings and

594
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>we oftentimes you know, forget that.

595
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, if you remember in the NBA a few years ago,

596
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 4>remember that that crooked ref Tim Donnahy, he came out

597
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 4>and like wrote a book about it and said, there

598
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 4>are some calls that the league wants us to make

599
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 4>at least here in the chief situation. It's not like

600
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 4>you know that they're getting favored all game. It just

601
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 4>always happens sort of like at pivotal moments of the game.

602
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 4>And maybe just a lot of people because I like

603
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 4>to think that myself, I'm a huge, huge conspiracy guy,

604
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 4>are you? But I love conspiracy?

605
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love them, but I don't like I

606
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 2>just I'm I'm very love to entertain them. Yeah, and

607
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>my fiance doesn't love it. But you don't seem like

608
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 2>tinfoil hat kind of guy though with it, you.

609
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean.

610
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 4>I just always look, I'm a wrestling fan too, and

611
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 4>I always know what's called a work when you see one,

612
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 4>and what could be what could lead on to a

613
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 4>major storyline, what's the cause and effect to some things

614
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 4>that happened so anything can happen, and I just always

615
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 4>like to think, hm, what could this really have been

616
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 4>done for?

617
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to think of sports conspiracies that I've

618
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 2>actually kind of really got gone all in on like

619
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>others have.

620
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure there's.

621
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 4>The Michael Jordan uh and his father thing with him

622
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 4>his father getting whacked for gambling and his his big

623
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 4>uh what do you call it?

624
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 3>His his debt with the Sharks.

625
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>So that's one of those things that like they're just

626
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's no like evidence of it.

627
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<v Speaker 3>It's just right, these are things we.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Know that his father he loves gambling, and his father

629
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<v Speaker 2>was kind of randomly murdered, and it's you know that.

630
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, but then there's other things to

631
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<v Speaker 2>where there's like evidence to where it's okay, you're gonna

632
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<v Speaker 2>have to explain that. I don't think we I don't

633
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 2>think the Jordan's there. I'll find In fact, I'm gonna

634
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 2>look it up because I want to. I want to

635
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 2>thought one that that because I'm sure there's a conspiracy

636
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 2>out there in sports that that everybody says that's insanely

637
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that that's insanely stupid. It's who would believe that, but

638
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 2>then like I would say, no, I'm let.

639
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Me tell you this is this is not a conspiracy,

640
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.039
<v Speaker 3>it's real.

641
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:15.839
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, real quick, speaking of gambling, we got to

642
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.039
<v Speaker 2>get you a break coming up in just a moment.

643
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>But this this, this whole, I mean, it's not surprising,

644
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>but the gambling ring that of course was involved in

645
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>John tay Porter, who has since been banned from the

646
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>NFL for life, he is I mean, I don't know

647
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>if he's had his trial already, but he's going to

648
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 2>go to federal prison. And we heard last week that

649
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Terry Rozier is alleged to have been you know, well

650
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Terry was is being and I guess I don't know

651
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>if the investigation has has ended, but he's not going

652
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>to comment on it, which is good thing for Terry.

653
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure his attorney told him that. But they don't

654
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>really have any evidence. They just think it's very unusual

655
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 2>that that same gambling group was also betting on his

656
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>his props, and you know, they're looking in to see

657
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>if he if he manipulated his performance during certain games.

658
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>They've been looking into this for a long time. So

659
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it came out and yet they haven't

660
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 2>actually done anything. Terry hasn't been suspended Terry. I mean,

661
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he did it or not, but

662
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like if they were going to

663
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.759
<v Speaker 2>be able to take him down, they already would have.

664
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>But then again, you know, maybe they're maybe they're still

665
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>working on it. But anyways, I'll bring it up because

666
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 2>according to ESPN, it's now this same exact gambling ring.

667
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>They've also apparently been betting on college basketball games. So

668
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>according to ESPN, sportsbook accounts connected to the same gambling

669
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>ring bet against North Carolina, A and T, Mississippi Valley

670
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>State and Eastern Michigan in games this season. So look

671
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>that I'm not saying that those guys are guilty and

672
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 2>somebody's in on it, but those are the kind of

673
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 2>game like that. That's that's where that would happen, by

674
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the way, one, because you wouldn't think that people would

675
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>pay that much attention to that. But also you can

676
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>probably get players to do it more so than you

677
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>because they don't have the NBA future to jeopardize. They're

678
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 2>still really stupid for doing it, but they don't have

679
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the NBA future to jeopardize, and they're nil payday is

680
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 2>not what others is. Therefore, if they're already terrible and

681
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 2>they're just told to, you know, make sure you know,

682
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 2>we lose by twenty seven instead of you know, instead

683
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 2>of twenty four, and they could put some money in

684
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>their pocket. Like I'm not saying they should do it

685
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 2>or defending it, but like it isn't crazy at all,

686
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>especially now that other players that play college basketball are

687
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>getting paid and these guys probably are not making much

688
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of anything. So they're seeing you know, they're going on

689
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the road and playing bigger schools and they're playing against

690
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>guys who are clearly better players, but you know, they're

691
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 2>making six figures easily. I mean, I could just see

692
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody wanting to get their piece of the cut and

693
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe this is how they do it. Again, not condoning

694
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it by any means, but I wouldn't be shocked if

695
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>if they determined that those teams had some guys shaving points.

696
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>Right quick break, We'll come back on the other side.

697
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Hamilton is going to retire at the end of

698
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.279
<v Speaker 2>the season. That news broke yesterday on the show I

699
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 2>want you guys to hear a story he shared before

700
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the season started that I think is really really, really good.

701
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 3>So stick with us.

702
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Right here, it's coffee and company, feel bou Thornton's on

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708
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<v Speaker 2>tried all the delicious food items that Thornton's has, I mean,

709
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710
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711
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<v Speaker 2>great food options they have. But one thing they've had

712
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<v Speaker 2>for quite some time, and it's kind of been overshadowed

713
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<v Speaker 2>because of all the delicious breakfast sandwiches that they've given

714
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<v Speaker 2>us over the years. They still have really good donuts.

715
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<v Speaker 2>So keep that in mind. Among many reasons, don't sleep

716
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<v Speaker 2>on the donut. Thornton's donuts are a phenomenal. So again

717
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<v Speaker 2>we appreciate our.

718
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<v Speaker 3>First regular glaze guy.

719
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<v Speaker 4>Or do you kind of like the like the chocolate

720
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<v Speaker 4>on them, or like the little Homer Simpson.

721
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<v Speaker 2>I can do one glaze donut. Anything more is just

722
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 2>too rich. Sure, yeah, like a chocolate glaze is good.

723
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But if I've had like two bites. I just feel like, man,

724
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>that's enough sugar for the year for me, you know,

725
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 2>but donuts are delicious.

726
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I like donut holes. Oh yeah yeah, big donut hole

727
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<v Speaker 3>guy of course.

728
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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, we are proudly fueled by Thornton's So let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to the text line really quickly. Here this is

730
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<v Speaker 2>and by the way, you can text it on the

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<v Speaker 2>Ellen and Federal Credit Union text line five h two

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<v Speaker 2>six five three zero seven ninety these textas, Nick, do

733
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<v Speaker 2>you think we see Chris Mack back in the ACC

734
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>with all of these jobs currently open? I would say

735
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 2>probably not next year. I don't know maybe. I mean, look,

736
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>if Mac ends up going on a run and you know,

737
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>making the Sweet sixteen or something, which you know, that'd

738
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 2>be easier seve than done, because even if he makes

739
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the tournament and they win their league, they're still likely

740
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>going to have a you know, a very high seed

741
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>to where they're gonna play probably one of the best

742
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 2>teams in the country. So like right now, he is

743
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 2>currently they did lose a tough one the other night

744
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that they shouldn't have lost to William and Mary, but

745
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 2>they're currently seventeen and six overall and in their league,

746
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you'll projected to go twenty two to nine, twelve and

747
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 2>six in their conference according to Ken Palm and the CAA.

748
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, it's going to come down to UNC, Wilmington,

749
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 2>William and Mary and Charleston. I would say, I guess

750
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>you could have a team that ends up maybe getting

751
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 2>hot and winning that tournament. But you know, if they

752
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>win that league and he makes a run, maybe, But

753
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I would you know, I I think he will try

754
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to go to a bigger and better job when the

755
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>timing is right. But I I don't you know, if

756
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I could give you a better answer, I would, But

757
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't shock me at all that just making the

758
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>tournament and being there again will remind people that the

759
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 2>guy has been a good coach really throughout his entire career.

760
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>He just didn't work out at Louisville for some obvious reasons.

761
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And when you look at Louisville's real demise, I mean,

762
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't responsible for it. You know, he got out

763
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>of here and and really took half the money when

764
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 2>he could have taken more, and you know, clearly he

765
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't work out.

766
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't the right fit. He didn't want to do

767
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 3>it anymore.

768
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not trying to make the case, you know,

769
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>he should still be the coach, But what I'm getting

770
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>at is, if you really just look at his resume

771
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 2>top to bottom, I mean, there are a lot of

772
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 2>programs out there that would be lucky to have him.

773
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>And I know the Dino thing was kind of weird,

774
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 2>but like he was extorted by his assistant coach and

775
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>we all heard it. Like, I don't know how you

776
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>could hear that and not think Dino is a lunatic.

777
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, wouldn't shock me if he ends up back

778
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>in the ACC at some point. I just don't know

779
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 2>if it'll be after only one year back at Charleston.

780
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine he'll probably want to stay there for

781
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years and really, you know, wait for

782
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>his best team that he has to potentially make the

783
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 2>tournament because his daughters are going to play volleyball there,

784
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and I mean that alone. I think we'll make it

785
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to where he may not even look to leave anytime soon.

786
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 3>But we'll see.

787
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 2>But at Florida State, that job will be open at

788
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the end of the year because Leonard Hamilton announced yesterday

789
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>that he will be stepping down at the end of

790
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the season, and you know, makes total sense just given

791
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the way things are. But I wanted to let you

792
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>guys hear this really quick. This is him talking about

793
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a recruit that he once recruited back in the day.

794
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>This was on the field of sixty eight whenever they

795
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.159
<v Speaker 2>did their coverage at the ACC tip off. And this

796
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>is just a really funny recruiting story as far as

797
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, coaches really doing whatever it takes to get

798
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>a kid to say, yes, I'm gonna come and play

799
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 2>for you. This is him talking about Fly Williams.

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<v Speaker 5>I was twenty three years old my first I was

801
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 5>a graduate assistant at Austin p and the full time

802
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 5>assistant coach became ill at Christmas and had to resign.

803
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 5>So now it comes to the spring and I ask

804
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 5>the coach would he let me go on the road recruiting.

805
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 5>I had never been in New York in my life,

806
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 5>so he gave me some money and say go. So,

807
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, he had never been to New York. Neither

808
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 5>have I. So we didn't know what I was I

809
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 5>didn't know what I was doing. I heard there was

810
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 5>a tournament in New York City Community college, and I

811
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 5>know that's where I wanted to go because they said

812
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 5>them players in New York were good. I said, look, sir,

813
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 5>can you please make arrangement for me to meet this

814
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 5>young man y'all talk about coming in and it was

815
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 5>Fly Whims and so he said, well, if you recruit

816
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 5>his buddy, you might have a chance. So now I'm

817
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 5>walking around New York all day until seven o'clock. I

818
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 5>supposed to meet Fly, supposed to be getting home at seven.

819
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 5>I go to his home. He's not there at seven,

820
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 5>he wasn't there at eight, he wasn't there at nine,

821
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 5>And the gentleman said, I got to go. So now

822
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 5>I'm over wherever I am? I don't know where I am.

823
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 5>I shure, don't want to leave. So now I'm stuck

824
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 5>with the mother, just me and her. She don't know

825
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 5>who I am. She just met me, and I'm in

826
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 5>New York and do not want to leave the house.

827
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 5>So about twelve thirty she had to go use the bathroom,

828
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 5>so I turned the clock back to ten thirty so

829
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 5>she wouldn't know what time it was, and then it

830
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 5>was literally but happened. So we talked, and we talked

831
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.559
<v Speaker 5>about North Carolina. We talked about fishing, and we talked

832
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 5>about chicken, and we talked about we talked about everything

833
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 5>I can think of. It to about six thirty, and

834
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<v Speaker 5>the sun is coming up six thirty, Yeah, sixth there

835
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<v Speaker 5>in the morning, the whole night, Yes, And so the

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<v Speaker 5>stum's coming up. She went to the bathroom. I pulled

837
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<v Speaker 5>the shades down and closed the curtains so she would

838
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<v Speaker 5>not know that the sun was coming up.

839
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<v Speaker 3>So it ended up working out.

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<v Speaker 2>Fly Williams did, in fact end up committing to Leonard

841
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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton at Austin p when he was an assistant back

842
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy two. I think it was, so it

843
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>paid off. But yes, he he waited all night for

844
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Fly Williams to get home, and it never happened, I guess,

845
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't come back till the next day. So in order

846
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 2>to keep the mom engaged to where he could you know,

847
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>keep her attention until his sun got home so he

848
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 2>could recruit him, he turned the clocks back and manipulated

849
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the blinds to make sure she didn't you know how

850
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 2>late it was actually getting. And hey, it paid off

851
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>because Fly Williams you know, ended up having a you know,

852
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>a really good career at at Austin p What do.

853
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.039
<v Speaker 4>You think ended up going wrong for Leonard Hamilton? He

854
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 4>seems like, by all accounts, he's a good guy, a

855
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 4>really fun storyteller. He was beating Patino, he had max number.

856
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 4>He always got big athletic guys, so he had was

857
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 4>it nil or just like the way that things have

858
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 4>been done the last few years.

859
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>You're right about him getting the best of some. I

860
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.760
<v Speaker 2>mean he was winning in the ACC when the ACC

861
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>was in a great spot, right we used to hate playing, Yeah,

862
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean they were they were just I mean he

863
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 2>had I feel like he had many teams where everybody

864
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was the same size, not even kidding. They had some

865
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>teams right right towards the end of the mac era.

866
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean they always had like two three seven footers,

867
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 2>but then they would have like one through four would

868
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>all be like six seven and six nine between there,

869
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>and they were really tough matchups physacal. I think what

870
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>happened is really it's a product of the New World.

871
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>But I think when you look at Leonard Hamilton and

872
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 2>when he did get it rolling at Florida State, he

873
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>had guys that had been there three four years, Like

874
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a system kind of thing. Scottie Barnes is

875
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>the one guy that he got that was a phenom

876
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 2>freshman that ended up being a one and done and

877
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>he's a great player in the NBA. But the other

878
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>guys that were really good for Florida State ended up

879
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 2>playing there and developing under Leonard Hamilton to where they

880
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.840
<v Speaker 2>were physical. You know, they clearly had a system in place,

881
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and I just think with the portal that was, you know,

882
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't keep those guys and develop them. And really

883
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.639
<v Speaker 2>where it got really bad for him is the whole

884
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>nil thing where he was out here telling players they

885
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>were going to make this amount of money and obviously,

886
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's currently in a lawsuit with those players

887
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 2>who were told by him that they'd be paid this

888
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and that, and yet it never happened.

889
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 3>So really good coach, a guy who did it a

890
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 3>long time.

891
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Seventy seven years old, he'll be in August, so he

892
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>had a great career as a head coach. I mean,

893
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember him at Oklahoma State because I was young,

894
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>but he was there, and did you know that he

895
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>coached the I gotta be honest with you, I didn't

896
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>realize that he coached Miami for ten years.

897
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't know that.

898
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was at Miami for a while and made

899
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the tournament a bunch of years there and went to

900
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the Sweet sixteen, and then took the Florida State job

901
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and two and did make an Elite eight,

902
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>made a couple of Sweet sixteen. So was an assistant

903
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>for Jobe Hall from seventy four to eighty. And that's

904
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 2>one of those things that when you consider that he's

905
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 2>been I mean, he's been coaching forever. I mean, he's

906
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven and he just told that story that he

907
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>was an assistant at twenty three and you know, recruited

908
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the best player maybe that ever played at Austin p

909
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So he's been and he's been doing this a long

910
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.039
<v Speaker 2>long time. I knew that he was an assistant. A

911
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>knew part of his story was that he was an

912
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 2>assistant at Kentucky for Jobe Hall, because I remember whenever

913
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Hamilton brought his team in here a few years ago,

914
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 2>right before joebe had passed, or I guess you know,

915
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years before that Jobe had passed, they

916
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>got together and caught up and again I knew the connection,

917
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I knew the history. I didn't know that he was

918
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.280
<v Speaker 2>an assistant at Kentucky for twelve years. I mean, that's

919
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 2>a long stretch to be an assistant coach. But hey,

920
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're at Kentucky, You're probably feeling like, hey,

921
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll wait it out till I get a really good opportunity.

922
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>And he went from an assistant at Austin p for

923
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>four years, then at Kentucky for twelve years, and then

924
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>in eighty six is when he got his first opportunity

925
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>to be a head coach at Oklahoma State and he's

926
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>been doing it ever since. Had a stint in the

927
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 2>NBA with the Wizards. Totally forgot about that, but yeah,

928
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>hell of a career. And I think that job will

929
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>have no problem finding a coach that can succeed there

930
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>now making deep runs in the tournament. Who knows, But

931
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think there are a lot of coaches

932
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>out there that have similar paths, similar resumes, really to

933
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say a lot, because I don't act like

934
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope and Pat Kelsey.

935
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Those guys grow on trees. But I think you should be.

936
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Able to if you trust in your resources, your situation,

937
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>you go hire a coach that has been able to

938
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.599
<v Speaker 2>succeed at a lower level and sustain that success. I mean,

939
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 2>those are the kind of guys that think that could

940
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 2>really thrive in this new world. All right, quick break,

941
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<v Speaker 2>We got the five o'clock out coded up next, keep

942
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<v Speaker 2>it locked right here on Sports Talk seven ninety