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<v Speaker 1>Are you been listening to to most of the Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Warren John Daton debate. I'm gonna give you my quick

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<v Speaker 1>take on it, and then I'm gonna While i'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>you my quick take, I want to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 1>nine three one ten thirty. It was a pretty good debate. John,

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<v Speaker 1>I think said it was an excellent debate. It was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I would say, uh, it was spirited, it

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<v Speaker 1>was feisty. I think that Elizabeth Warren defended her her

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<v Speaker 1>progressive democratic values pretty well. I think John Deaton criticized

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<v Speaker 1>those values very effectively, and I think that this race

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<v Speaker 1>might be a little tighter. I don't think that there

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<v Speaker 1>was any sort of a huge mistake by either candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>none that I could pick up on. We missed the

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<v Speaker 1>first sadly, the first fifteen minutes of debate debate. I

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for that. Those of you who might have heard

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<v Speaker 1>something in the fifteen minutes while I was filling for time,

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<v Speaker 1>feel free. I'm going to take a quick break. These

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<v Speaker 1>lines are lighting up. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think? If you think there was a winner?

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think want and tell me why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not here to argue with you. I didn't hear the

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<v Speaker 1>whole debate. I heard the final forty five minutes. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have the advantage over me. Let's have at it

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<v Speaker 1>right after this quick break here on Nightside. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting night so far. You now will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>make it very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so when I joined and I heard them talking

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<v Speaker 1>about abortion, very predictable. They were asked about cryptocurrency. Deaton

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<v Speaker 1>is a big fan of cryptocurrency, and I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>a free market guy. Senator Warren comes from the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of a command and control regulatory scheme. Again, Warren talks

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<v Speaker 1>about all the consumer protection laws that we have, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet how many of us are scammed. Government can't even

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<v Speaker 1>stop us from getting these these phone calls. At dinner time,

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about Israel. Deaton very supportive of Israel, accusing

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<v Speaker 1>Warren of being more critical of Israel than she is

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<v Speaker 1>of Hamas. And she sort of backed that up by

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<v Speaker 1>saying she wants to stop the bombing, wants more humanitarian relief,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't say for whom all of us want the hostages release. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And Deeton made the point that a run is closer

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<v Speaker 1>to a nuke, and of course Warren said, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration had followed through some again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was an area where Deton did very well. Cost

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<v Speaker 1>of housing. Warren describes that cost of housing, the way

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<v Speaker 1>to get to resolve it is to pump a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money into it and build the government to build

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<v Speaker 1>three million more housing units across the country. Those of

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<v Speaker 1>you who have lived in government housing, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>great that works out. Dayton, of course, wanted to close

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<v Speaker 1>the borders. He feels that there's too many people here

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<v Speaker 1>for economics one on one on the MCAST requirement, very predictable. Daton,

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<v Speaker 1>who by the way, mispronounced the name Wellesley and referred

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<v Speaker 1>to it as Wesley. That's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>full power on his part. Warren will vote yes to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the MCST graduation requirement. Uh, she's with

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<v Speaker 1>the teachers Union. You could have know that. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>and Deaton said, no, we should, we should keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have some differences. I think it was I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Dton did much better than I expected. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say he won the debate. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>there was a winner. I think it was a good

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<v Speaker 1>exchange of ideas. Uh. And and Deaton was pretty quick

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<v Speaker 1>on his feet. Elizabeth Warren. Uh, that is what she's

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<v Speaker 1>known for. She has her her talking points down and

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<v Speaker 1>she she delivers them very effectively. Agn you have a

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<v Speaker 1>liberal Democrat, a progressive Democrat, and and sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>relatively middle of the road Republican. He certainly tries to

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<v Speaker 1>take the abortion issue off the table because that hurts Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no question about that. And so that's my take

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I'd love to hear from you. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>it off with Dot and Medford. Dot. What'd you think tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Dan, I'll tell you Daton won this hands down.

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<v Speaker 3>He got an A and she got an F because

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<v Speaker 3>she's always the same. And you know, if you remember,

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<v Speaker 3>she couldn't even win the presidency in this state.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, no, I remember it was not a very twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty No, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, she would say that the people of Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to keep her in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we can't have her in there for six more years.

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<v Speaker 3>She's going to be in her eighties. Then we don't

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<v Speaker 3>need this. We need to get a fresh guy. He

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<v Speaker 3>looked good. He'd make a great senator. That's my take.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my thank you for.

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<v Speaker 1>Being as clear as you always are.

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<v Speaker 5>Dot.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, thanks, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta keep rolling. I'm going to get as many

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<v Speaker 1>people in as we can. All I gotta do is

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<v Speaker 1>keep island. The only line open right now is six one, seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty. Uh, Nico in the thou and Nico next

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<v Speaker 1>on nightside. How are you sir?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi Dan? How are you sorry? I don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>waste too much time. I really called it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say hi.

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<v Speaker 5>Today because I want I wanted to talk about housing.

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<v Speaker 5>But I you know, I really that m Cast thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually I was. I took they had park back

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<v Speaker 5>when I was in middle school. They were switching over

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<v Speaker 5>from Mcast to Park. I don't know. But the point

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<v Speaker 5>is I was, I was in fourth grade reading at

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<v Speaker 5>a third grade reading level, right and I'm now at

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<v Speaker 5>a I'm now in the second best college in the world. Babson.

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<v Speaker 5>If anybody was curious, so the fact that the notion that.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, you're correct, a great school and people

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<v Speaker 1>who graduate from Are you currently a student there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, I'm an I'm an honor student.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me tell you something. It is a great

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<v Speaker 1>it is a great college. And I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the starting of salaries for Babson graduates

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<v Speaker 1>is the best in the country.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it is. It's it's around seventy seventy seventy ballpark

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<v Speaker 5>of seventy thousand plus and minus five. Yeah, okay, Well, besides, besides,

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<v Speaker 5>besides MCAST, which I mean, I intend to vote in

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<v Speaker 5>favor of keeping the MCAST standard. I believe Senator Warren vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a no vote. Yeah, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to be clara. Yeah, that's all, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yes, absolutely, thank you. I was actually unsure of

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<v Speaker 5>myself whether no, but so thank you for But I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to talk about housing because I have a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of an interesting insight into this. I actually and.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, John Beaker, Nick, not to interrupt you again,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I misspoke. I think it's question two.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm not mistaken, I don't have it in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me. Someone can correct me on that. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the m test, uh, and it is the Union wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of the the the graduation requirement, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the union vote yes, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>business interests want you vote no. Go ahead. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>qu keep quiet. Go ahead. I apologized, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know what you're You're I don't. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>mislead people, either whether you intend to vote yes or no.

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<v Speaker 5>But I wanted to talk mainly about housing because I

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<v Speaker 5>actually go to Washington, d C. I've had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>to on behalf of the Massachusetts chapter of the National

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<v Speaker 5>Associational home Builders. And you know, I am a Republican.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say that, so I'm going to discredit myself.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm also gonna say this. I've talked to Laurie Trahan.

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<v Speaker 5>I've talked to Jake Auchincloss. I've talked to Paul Keat

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<v Speaker 5>and Jim McGovern, I mean, Stephen Lynch. I talked to

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<v Speaker 5>all the Democrats. I really would tell you if Democrats

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<v Speaker 5>were four housing Elizabeth Warren, we don't even take a

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<v Speaker 5>meeting with her because it's not worth our time, all right.

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<v Speaker 5>The notion that you can build a house in mass

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<v Speaker 5>is chuses for one hundred and eighty thousand dollars ladies

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<v Speaker 5>and gentlemen is the most absurd notion in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>all right, And the lie that she just proposed that

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<v Speaker 5>that they're going to be able to do that, I

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<v Speaker 5>never mind building a house. Whoever built that plan should

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<v Speaker 5>be anywhere near a house, because that's so it's so

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<v Speaker 5>palpably false. You really, when Dayan said it takes six

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<v Speaker 5>hundred thousand dollars to get started on building a house

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<v Speaker 5>and then it takes another two years to get all

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<v Speaker 5>the permitting processes, He's on the money. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>say this right now. I've lobbied for housing policies. He's

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<v Speaker 5>it's just the it's Swiss cheese. Her plan is Swiss

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<v Speaker 5>cheese Dan, and I couldn't. I couldn't let her get

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<v Speaker 5>away with saying that without at least trying to tell

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<v Speaker 5>people that she's on this issue. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 5>twenty years ago she wented a documentary and talked about

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<v Speaker 5>how greedy banks were before the two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 5>crash on this issue and this issue alone, which and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the question was kit was coined by a kid

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<v Speaker 5>who wants to live in the Bay State and all

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<v Speaker 5>that I'm that kid. I didn't write that question. But

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<v Speaker 5>I'm him. I want to live here, but I can't

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<v Speaker 5>because it's about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 5>a ranch that fixs a rupper. So just this, this

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<v Speaker 5>this idea that she can say something as absurd as that,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it shows the lack of the lack of

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<v Speaker 5>intuition and the lack of knowledge that he has about

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<v Speaker 5>this subject. I mean, she could say thirty mayors. I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty mayors. Even if you get this stuff in front

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<v Speaker 5>of in front of a town meeting or in front

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<v Speaker 5>of a city councilor they're gonna, they're gonna. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>tell you right now, there's gonna be at least ten

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<v Speaker 5>to fifteen, depending on the side of the town, there's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna be done at least ten to fifteen residents to

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<v Speaker 5>go in front of it and say, this is a

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<v Speaker 5>this is a massive developer who's gonna ruin the land.

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<v Speaker 5>They're gonna ruin everything else. There's a there's this permissive

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<v Speaker 5>attitude of not in my backyard in this state that

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<v Speaker 5>is permeated throughout residential communities across this state that has

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<v Speaker 5>inhibited the building industry from doing anything and Elizabeth Warren,

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<v Speaker 5>for some reason, even though she claims to be the

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<v Speaker 5>champion of working people, has stood idly by and dismissed

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<v Speaker 5>the mere and absolute attitude that exists in the state currently.

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<v Speaker 5>So I I that's that's the main reason I called today,

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<v Speaker 5>and I want to thank you for allowing me to talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I assume you're not voting for Elizabeth Warren.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm not. I should have. I should have, Claire,

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<v Speaker 5>I should have clarify, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not clear for the context of the reports. Thanks, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>you much, great night, Thank you, Thank you. Six ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>triple eight nine to nine, ten thirty. The only line

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<v Speaker 1>is open right now six one, seven, two, five, four

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty. We're gonna go next to Alex in Abington, Massachusetts. Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>you and next one Nightsiger right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Dan, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 4>I honestly, I think tonight it was it was very

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<v Speaker 4>very clear to any Massachusetts voters that John Deaton is

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<v Speaker 4>the right man for the job for Massachusetts US Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>See the biggest takeaway from me. There are two things.

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<v Speaker 4>Number One, that John Deaton is the embodiment of the

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<v Speaker 4>American dream, pulling yourself up from the bootstraps. Elizabeth Warren,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, she's an establishment person. She is, and she

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<v Speaker 4>she has done absolutely nothing for Massachusetts. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 4>look at the reaction on her face every single time

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<v Speaker 4>she had the same talking points that she had in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen and twenty twelve, and actually to clarify on

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<v Speaker 4>something that in twenty eighteen she called born burned. So

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, people make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I understand that. But guess what I just

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<v Speaker 1>I strive to be fair. Okay, Oh yeah, absolutely of

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren. Okay, but if yeah, he called Wellesley Wesley,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know again, I look, oh yeah, gotta be fair.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh absolutely no. And the last thing, Dan that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I've advocated for survivor and victim legislation here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 4>younger and the biggest takeaway from me was when John

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<v Speaker 4>Deaton asked Elizabeth Warren point blank about how she sat

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<v Speaker 4>the question. John Keller did not ask for a follow

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<v Speaker 4>up on that with her. He did, however, she asked

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<v Speaker 4>and John Keller said, okay, you know, John Daton, please

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<v Speaker 4>she's a champion for LGBTQ people. John Deaton was supportive

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<v Speaker 4>of marriage equality before, long before she was, back when

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<v Speaker 4>fact that she couldn't couldn't, couldn't answer the question why

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<v Speaker 4>let money control children, and and and people who let

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<v Speaker 4>sex crimes go throughout this entire country is appalling. She

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<v Speaker 4>should never hold elected office ever. Again. That for me

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, I got it. Alex. First of all, what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to you is terrible. Uh, you sound to me

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<v Speaker 1>like you have recovered it, meaning you sound extraordinary. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to be quite a person to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with that. Get get it, you know, get it

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<v Speaker 1>behind you. And look, I just want to say thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for having the guts to call in and express yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very Have you called my show before?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what you do is you do a little little

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<v Speaker 1>applause for first time callers. And I really hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you will call more often or call often. And I

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<v Speaker 1>people who have overcome addictions, which in some cases you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it can be that can kill you. You overcall,

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<v Speaker 1>You overcame a set of experiences which never you never

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<v Speaker 1>should have been subjected to. But it sounds to me

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<v Speaker 1>like you were, you were on solid footing right now

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<v Speaker 1>and you you you just really do. Uh. Everybody should

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<v Speaker 1>understand how how much you must have struggled with what

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to congratulation and I hope you become

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<v Speaker 1>a regular caller to this program because I need voices

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you Dan. No, I mean, I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>alive here today if it weren't from my my wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>family and friends and actually my state representative Alison Sullivan Almita.

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<v Speaker 4>She's she's been absolutely fantastic. But I'm surrounded by blessings.

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<v Speaker 4>So no, thank you, thank you, Dan, and I'll definitely

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<v Speaker 1>Thank thank you so much, Alex appreciate the call, and again, congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Well, I'll tell you when you hear other

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when I heard that last question, that is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind even a PCP in Massachusetts takes a up

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a break. We will continue with our

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and our calls. I want to get your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to the debate. Whether you watched it on Channel thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>it should have been on Channel four. I will say that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that when Channel four has a debate

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<v Speaker 1>to interrupt their regularly scheduled programming. That's what that's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>That debate should have been broadcast on Channel four. It

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<v Speaker 1>was obviously on Channel thirty eight, but it should have

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<v Speaker 1>been seen by a wider audience. We'll take it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>come right back here at Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 2>Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I have any corna Valley who is called

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<v Speaker 1>back in Amy. I'm going to jump into the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the line. Rob will bring you up here. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that John Dayton did a very good job tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I thought that John had a fantastic performance. And

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with your last comment, Dan, that about this

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<v Speaker 6>really should have been on Channel four versus Channel thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, this is, you know, really in the public

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<v Speaker 6>interest to see a US Senate debate that the person

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<v Speaker 6>will serve for the next six years. So I really

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<v Speaker 6>felt that that it should have been on Channel four.

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<v Speaker 6>And for those who tuned in and watched, I know

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<v Speaker 6>most of your listeners did, I think they really stopped

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<v Speaker 6>saw a strong debate focused on policy issues. I thought

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<v Speaker 6>the debate about the border was particularly important. I also

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<v Speaker 6>caught I don't know if you've talked about this yet,

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<v Speaker 6>but I caught a moment where Senator Warren talked about

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<v Speaker 6>it takes quote taking the seat away from me and

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought back to the debate between Martha Buckley, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and and Scott Brown, when, of course Martha Cokeley referred

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<v Speaker 6>you know, kind of infamously at this point, said no,

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say infamously, I'd say it famously. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was the right thing to refer to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it helped.

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<v Speaker 6>Him exactly, and it exactly helped him. And I thought

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<v Speaker 6>back to, you know, it's kind of a similar attitude

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<v Speaker 4>And of course it's not not an individual seat.

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<v Speaker 6>It is the people's seat, and the people have a

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, this is I miss I missed the

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<v Speaker 1>first amy. I must admit to you, I missed the

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<v Speaker 1>first fifteen minutes because we had a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>of vamping for fifteen minutes. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how they started the thing that.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the first question was related to immigration, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We came in when when when abortion was being discussed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I believe the first question was immigration, and they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure they hit They each hit their their

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<v Speaker 1>talking us. I thought Datan was very strong, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who had never been I think he'd never run

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<v Speaker 1>for office before. I thought he represented himself very well tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not that, you know, makes him a winner

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<v Speaker 1>on November fifth, it's up to the voters at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>but he acquitted himself very well tonight, I thought, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, Amy, Thanks for being with us earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for getting for coming back tonight. I have full

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<v Speaker 1>lines of going to get back to all those callers

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So far, it's been a very positive reaction

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<v Speaker 1>from my listeners to to your candidate's performance. Thanks again, Amy,

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<v Speaker 1>talks soon. Thank you, Okay to all of you in

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<v Speaker 1>after of the ten o'clock news, and all of you

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<v Speaker 1>one of you just dropped off, so I have one

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's talk about this debate. It's it's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>it look Senate. Senate elections don't come along that often,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one, now, I think it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an election tonight. Certainly Elizabeth Warren would have

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<v Speaker 1>in a democratic state. But I think John Deaton had

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<v Speaker 1>a very respectable performance tonight, and I think I'm understanding

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<v Speaker 1>it when I say that we'll take a break, coming

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<v Speaker 1>right back here at Night'side. Please stay with us. We

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear from any of you in all

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