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<v Speaker 1>This is the other side of midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Running a strange program, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>With Walter Sterling.

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<v Speaker 2>Lost in stays.

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<v Speaker 1>Nature Nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I work for a very unusual company in that

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<v Speaker 2>it's owned by John and Margot Katsimatitas pronounced Katsimatitas, as

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<v Speaker 2>Margo taught me in no uncertain terms, it's Katsimatitas. She

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<v Speaker 2>was very clear. In fact, I'd have to say that

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<v Speaker 2>Margot is very clear about everything, just everything. And the

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<v Speaker 2>best thing, well, they're many best things, but among the

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<v Speaker 2>best fringe benefits is the Red Apple Audio Networks has

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<v Speaker 2>the most stunning breakroom in American media. There are many

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<v Speaker 2>companies that feed you. They'll make a deal with hot

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<v Speaker 2>and crusty, and they'll have a nice buffet twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day because they don't want you to go outside.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Catsimatids are grossers at root, and therefore they

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<v Speaker 2>understand our dietary requirements better than most. Everything in the

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<v Speaker 2>breakroom is a snack, a truly great snack. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>really healthy in there. I didn't say damaging, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, there's every type of eminem ever made, Every

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<v Speaker 2>type of eminem you could ever want is in there

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<v Speaker 2>mixed with every other type of mix that you could imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she upped it, she leveled up, and she

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<v Speaker 2>started stocking tasty cakes, tasty cake products Philadelphia. If you

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<v Speaker 2>know about tasty cakes, you know what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>free array of tasty cake products. And therefore I consider

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<v Speaker 2>myself a lifer. Now there's Dave Scott, a known Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there wildfires near you, Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the biggest wildfire that is said to me, by

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty eight miles is about the size of about

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and twenty thousand football fields right now, so

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<v Speaker 3>it is pretty big, and it continues to roar. I

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<v Speaker 3>apologize that my voice is a little hoarse, but we've

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<v Speaker 3>had twenty four hours a really heavy forest fire smoke here,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it just doesn't taste good.

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<v Speaker 2>Walt, No, we've suffered in the northern part of the

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<v Speaker 2>northern part of the lower forty eight. We have suffered

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<v Speaker 2>with that smoke very very often through the month of

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<v Speaker 2>July and August. It burns, It makes it difficult to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>makes it difficult to breathe, and there's nothing that we

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<v Speaker 2>can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. If Canada would learn how to put them out

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just have a bunch of bureaucracy fires burning,

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<v Speaker 3>we might be able to actually save that air quality

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's review what the benefit is to the Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>bureaucracy to have wildfires. What is the benefit Number one?

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<v Speaker 3>Employment? Number two, pushing a climate change effort politically. Number three,

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<v Speaker 3>it makes a lot of companies money. Number four it's

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<v Speaker 3>and I told you so to jack up prices on everything,

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<v Speaker 3>which means more tax dollars because the companies like giving

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<v Speaker 3>an example, when the fire first hit in a town

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<v Speaker 3>south of me called Clinton, British Columbia, was evacuated, they

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<v Speaker 3>bumped diesel prices up to two dollars and sixty three

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<v Speaker 3>point nine cents a leader, which is about eleven dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Again Allen, Wow, wow, yeah, wow yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what about these college students? How are they involved?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you look at the firefighters, they're all over town.

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<v Speaker 3>They're heroes in our in our estimation, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>putting your life on the line when you've got a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one thousand plus degree fire burning just ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of you, you know, they are heroes. But the big

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<v Speaker 3>thing about them is if you look at their age,

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<v Speaker 3>they're all college student ages. I guess when they go

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<v Speaker 3>back to school after Labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, right, and what happens then?

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<v Speaker 3>Usually the majority of fires have been put out.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that amazing? Why does it happen every year?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to use the word stupidity. I talked to

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<v Speaker 3>someone yesterday whose husband is working on the fires, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of standing around. We there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of crews who could be out working putting out the fire,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're waiting for orders. A lot of the fire crews.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when we burned up here in twenty seventeen, we

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<v Speaker 3>had fire trucks from all over the province of British

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<v Speaker 3>Columbia coming to help, from the Vancouver area, from Vancouver Island,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, volunteer firefighters. They were coming out because our

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<v Speaker 3>town was very close to burning down, and up here

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<v Speaker 3>we don't see that this year, we don't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a helicopter looked. A helicopter carries a bag

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<v Speaker 3>that could there's two different sized bags I believe they use.

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<v Speaker 3>One can hold four hundred gallons of water. One can

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<v Speaker 3>use a hold six hundred gallons of water. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>can refill anywhere, but what damage are they really doing?

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<v Speaker 3>To the fire, right, I mean by the time they

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<v Speaker 3>by the time they drop, fly back, grab another bucket.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's like a tease. Absolutely, yeah, there's no there's

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<v Speaker 2>no impact on that. So are these Union fire crews?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that why they're standing around just watching?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're Union fire crews. But what's happened

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<v Speaker 3>over the time is they've created contracts with these companies

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<v Speaker 3>who hire people to fight forest fires. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day, like a lot of the old

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<v Speaker 3>timers in my town one hundred mile House, British Columbia,

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<v Speaker 3>you know when there was a forest fire, when you

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<v Speaker 3>live in a forestry community like I do. Back then,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a few things that would happen. Number One, we

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<v Speaker 3>weren't spraying round up or glycophates on the forest to

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<v Speaker 3>kill bugs that kill evasive species. We weren't doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Number Two, we were also having crews go in and

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<v Speaker 3>thin out the dead fall that has If you go

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<v Speaker 3>in any forest, you see dead fall. They would clear

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<v Speaker 3>out those trees. Okay, those dead fall trees. How do

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<v Speaker 3>you think we always had firewood? Dry firewood? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go camping, you stop at the gas station,

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<v Speaker 3>you pick up you know, a couple bags of firewood. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's because it was deadfall. We had people doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's nobody doing that. Number three is with these

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<v Speaker 3>government contracts going on. Back in the day, there was

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<v Speaker 3>no government contract, so the loggers would get in there.

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<v Speaker 3>They would bulldoze in the area of trees, cut down

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of trees to create a fire line so

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<v Speaker 3>that way the fire couldn't burn past that line. Now

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<v Speaker 3>we don't do that. We wait and wait and we see.

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<v Speaker 3>So this big fire that's south to me, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get a crew on it for five days. For the

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<v Speaker 3>first five days that was able to burn. And they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to come over the ridge of the mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what it did. It came over the ridge

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<v Speaker 3>of the mountains, putting a community in potential peril. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's where it gets ridiculous. These people are standing down.

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<v Speaker 3>You have people in Vancouver, the majority of them have

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<v Speaker 3>never lived in a rural community with a logging background,

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<v Speaker 3>and here they are making decisions for people who know

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<v Speaker 3>how to put out the fires but aren't allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>because they don't have a government contract.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to see an end to these

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<v Speaker 2>far as far as ruining our lives in North America

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<v Speaker 2>at least till the end of August.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's my prediction, all right, that's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>They've Scott, the host of Spaced Out radio broadcaster journalist

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<v Speaker 2>updates on UAP's UFOs and mysteries.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Scott, we had a hat trick of bad news

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<v Speaker 3>in the UFO world. Yeah. Number one, the speech that

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<v Speaker 3>everybody was talking about that Donald Trump today was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be making a speech on UFOs.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, Walter, I didn't hear any speech at UFOs.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there was none, There was none. It was all

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<v Speaker 3>hype and no action once again. So that's disappointment number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Disappointment number two comes from Time magazine, who actually put

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<v Speaker 3>a UFO on the cover basically said that, hey, we

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<v Speaker 3>need to start taking this story a little bit more seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>which is great because Time magazine is massive. But the

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<v Speaker 3>reporter who wrote on this story was a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>late to the party because everything in this extremely long article,

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<v Speaker 3>although eloquently written, was from nine years ago. The news

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<v Speaker 3>that broke nine years ago that the New York Times

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<v Speaker 3>article on the UFOs basically came out. He was talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the original videos that came out in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>the tic TAC, the Go Faster, the gimbal videos, talking

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<v Speaker 3>about all these interactions with UFOs, the same people who

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<v Speaker 3>have said the exact same things for nine years in

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<v Speaker 3>a row. Highly disappointed there was nothing updated on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a problem for the UFO world because

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<v Speaker 3>every time we seem to take a couple of steps forward,

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<v Speaker 3>something major happens, whether it's doctor Phil, whether it's Joe Rogan,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's Time magazine, that goes right back to the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning of nine years ago, and we're all sitting there saying,

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<v Speaker 3>what does this do to help move the subject forward?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you not been paying attention as a journalist on

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<v Speaker 3>what is happening today and not nine years ago? So

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<v Speaker 3>that was disappointment number two for the hat trick. Over

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<v Speaker 3>the UK, the British Parliament said the Ministry of Defense

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<v Speaker 3>will no longer be looking into the UFO phenomena. According

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<v Speaker 3>to them, there is no they're there and so they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be wasting time and resources.

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<v Speaker 2>Who who said they're not going to be wasting time

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<v Speaker 2>on this? What organization was this?

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<v Speaker 3>The British government?

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<v Speaker 2>The UK government Oh they're done. The British government is

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<v Speaker 2>done with this.

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<v Speaker 3>They're done, got it, They're done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to know.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't surprising though, because Commonwealth countries, okay, and way

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day when you guys were one, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean before you had your little treason to act there

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<v Speaker 3>on July fourth, Yeah, seventeen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 2>We were wrong, right, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. One thing Commonwealth countries are very good at,

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<v Speaker 3>Canada included, is they are very good at the old adage,

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<v Speaker 3>if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. So

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<v Speaker 3>basically what's happening within the UK now is they are

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<v Speaker 3>pushing UFOs back under the rug. Nobody wants to deal

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<v Speaker 3>with it. They don't want to waste their time and

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<v Speaker 3>resources on it, and they're which basically signals they're not

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<v Speaker 3>giving up their secrets, they are not giving up their story.

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<v Speaker 3>And that could be very telling for what happens in

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<v Speaker 3>North America here coming up, because, like I said, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people were expecting Donald Trump to give that

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<v Speaker 3>UFO speech today. It didn't happen, and this is what

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<v Speaker 3>the result is. Maybe, as I've said previously on this program,

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<v Speaker 3>that maybe just maybe this is the goal in the endgame. Overall,

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<v Speaker 3>keep it to what happened nine years ago, and that

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<v Speaker 3>way nobody asked questions about today, and that way it's

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<v Speaker 3>easier to throw the secrets back under the rug, so

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<v Speaker 3>nobody knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>How do I find you online?

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<v Speaker 5>Why I grew up playing hockey, You know, I played

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<v Speaker 5>all the way up to Junior double A.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked in the trades.

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<v Speaker 5>I was an elevator mechanic for twelve years. Drive a

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<v Speaker 3>You are listening to the biggest all night show in

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<v Speaker 2>A vital a vital news story coming up in just seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>who wear sports bras. That was the original title. Now

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<v Speaker 2>and I are going to discuss an amazing story about

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<v Speaker 2>sports spras. In new cycling cheat scandal, sportspras were introduced

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<v Speaker 1>The other side of midnight with Walter Sterling. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Sterle is on the air up, bend down the

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<v Speaker 2>Smile, Yeah, midnight misfits A no that Walter is always right.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello. By the way, my phone screen or computer has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to worry about, because I have a more important story.

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<v Speaker 2>You ready. Cycling's newest performance enhancer isn't a syringe, but

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<v Speaker 2>a sports bra. Accusations of padded bras that can give

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<v Speaker 2>women's Tour de France competitors and aerodynamic advantage are flying

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<v Speaker 2>through the cycling world. Dutch News, of course, the Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>The Dutch news outlet has said several complaints have been

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<v Speaker 2>in their bras during time trials. A professor of aerodynamics

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<v Speaker 2>aerodynamic drag through cheat chest faring. Chest faring chest firing

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<v Speaker 2>the body. This is a scandal. You and I have

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<v Speaker 2>discussed the power of sports bras for many years. The

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<v Speaker 2>in the mind of most men. The first time we

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<v Speaker 2>heard the phrase SPORTSPRA. We viewed it as a viable competition.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of competing that you have done to get

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<v Speaker 2>not about you getting into her bra with consent. It's

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<v Speaker 2>participate in sports. I don't know what those spras are

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<v Speaker 2>that they wear in the WNBA. I believe they're overdone.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe there's too much bra involved in the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 2>But now in cycling competition, the bigger the bra, the better.

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<v Speaker 2>The bigger the chest, the better. It helps them aerodynamically

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<v Speaker 2>win cycle races. How much would this help them win

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<v Speaker 2>if they go from an A to a D? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they guaranteed to win? Yes, you're guaranteed to win. But

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<v Speaker 2>A to a D? I think it's a fair question.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the big news in the world of cycling. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what if they decided to resolve this? How have they

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<v Speaker 2>decided to resolve this? Let's see this very important piece

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<v Speaker 2>of sports reporting. In complaints made to the u u S,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is. In complaints made to

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<v Speaker 2>the official people, let's see padded brought. Oh oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a job for you. In complaints made to the UCI,

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<v Speaker 2>teams want female padded brought inspectors to come in and

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<v Speaker 2>that they are not hiding anything in their bras or

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<v Speaker 2>under their arrow clothing. The Tour de France has long

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with cheating controversy, long dealt with blood doping, having

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<v Speaker 2>previously infiltrated the cycling world. The Tour de France Femmes,

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<v Speaker 2>which started August first, runs through August ninth. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to have inspectors in a tent by the starting lines

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that their bras are not overwhelming, that

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<v Speaker 2>their bras are not rigging the results. And yet, in

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<v Speaker 2>every other aspect of life, a woman's bra does rig

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<v Speaker 2>the results, doesn't it in every other aspect of life?

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<v Speaker 2>Job interviews, Oh no, no, we're equal, dating, jealousy, competing

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<v Speaker 2>where they actually want to have inspectors in a tent

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<v Speaker 2>to review this. I know you want that job. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no reason you can't have that job. I'm Walter Sterling.

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<v Speaker 2>Lets you and I talk at eight hundred eight four

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<v Speaker 2>eight nine two two two. Eight hundred eighty four eight

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<v Speaker 2>Perez Hilton, right, Perez Hilton is this online video gossip columnist,

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<v Speaker 2>and for a long time I didn't understand what that was. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with his nom de plume. I'm speaking French now

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<v Speaker 2>that we're worried about the Tour de France. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>when Perez Hilton decided to knife himself. And this week

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<v Speaker 2>he knifed himself. Fortunately there were enough paramedics nearby, enough

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<v Speaker 2>imagine anything more selfish. Suicide is selfish, but suicide with

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you're a decent human being. It's about thirty

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<v Speaker 5>While for Sterling, the biggest all night show in American race,

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<v Speaker 2>I get to talk about Tartaria. Tartaria was a country

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<v Speaker 2>there was Tartaria about the size of China, and by

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<v Speaker 2>much of Tartaria there were violent weather events, including mud floods.

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<v Speaker 2>Mud ran down the streets like a river, thick, horrible mud,

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<v Speaker 2>One of the traits of Tartaria around the world, outposts

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<v Speaker 4>In seventeen ninety three, the French government renamed multiple major

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<v Speaker 4>date September one, eighteen fifty nine. That's the date they

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<v Speaker 4>that auroras, those ghostly ribbons of light typically confined to

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<v Speaker 4>The official explanation is elegant, almost suspiciously so. A British

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<v Speaker 4>telescope at his private observatory in Redhill, Surrey. He witnessed,

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<v Speaker 4>They struck Earth's magnetosphere. The magnetosphere in turn induced electrical

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<v Speaker 4>currents in every conductive material on the planet's surface. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the textbook summaries and the Wikipedia entries and the reassuring

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<v Speaker 4>And a world that, after September eighteen fifty nine, started

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<v Speaker 4>geomagnetic storm in recorded history. Carrington, himself, a wealthy English amateur,

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<v Speaker 4>structures were everywhere. They were identical in their basic configuration,

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<v Speaker 4>across cities that had no reason to coordinate their architectural choices. Paris, London,

419
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<v Speaker 4>Saint Petersburg, New York, Chicago, Buenos Aires, Bombay, Shanghai. The

420
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<v Speaker 4>same motif, the same vertical metal element, the same connection

421
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<v Speaker 4>to the sky. This raises a simple but critical question,

422
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<v Speaker 4>what exactly were all those rods and spires for? The

423
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<v Speaker 4>official answer is lightning protection. Benjamin Franklin. The lightning rod

424
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<v Speaker 4>protection from electrical storm, simple, elegant, rational, and for a

425
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<v Speaker 4>single copper spike above a barn in rural Pennsylvania. I

426
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<v Speaker 4>might accept that. But the deeper I went, the more

427
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<v Speaker 4>the lightning explanation started to collapse.

428
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<v Speaker 2>You know what he's talking about. That on the farmhouses,

429
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<v Speaker 2>the barns, the cathedrals, the churches built before nineteen hundred,

430
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>built before nineteen twenty, they had lightning rods about every

431
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<v Speaker 2>twenty feet along the roofline of these buildings, on top

432
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<v Speaker 2>of the spires of these buildings, and we were told

433
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>those were lightning rods, except there's still lightning and those

434
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<v Speaker 2>rods are not put on new buildings. They in fact

435
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<v Speaker 2>were not lightning rods. What they did was capture ether,

436
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>captured energy from space, captured energy from the ground, sent

437
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 2>it through an elaborate series of copper tubing in these homes.

438
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<v Speaker 2>In the walls of these homes homes, the copper would

439
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<v Speaker 2>heat up. That's how the homes were heated. And then

440
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<v Speaker 2>they gathered in what looked like a fireplace to you

441
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<v Speaker 2>and me, but it was not a fireplace. It was

442
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<v Speaker 2>a gathering point for this energy that could then be

443
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<v Speaker 2>redistributed through the house for hot water, for cooking, for heat.

444
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<v Speaker 2>That's what it was. Because if you were to look

445
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<v Speaker 2>at those fireplaces in these mansions built in eighteen ten,

446
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>eighteen fifty, eighteen seventy five, if you don't look in

447
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<v Speaker 2>those fireplaces, what would you see. You would see no

448
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<v Speaker 2>carbon residue, You would see no carbon residue, you would

449
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<v Speaker 2>see nothing that indicated that wood had been burned in there,

450
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<v Speaker 2>nothing in there that would indicate that coal had been

451
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>burned in there, because it wasn't. Instead, it was a

452
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>gathering point. Remember those fireplaces had big thick, heavy iron

453
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<v Speaker 2>plates on the front and the back, the front and

454
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>the back, those are capacitors. Those gathered the energy, aided

455
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:13.039
<v Speaker 2>in the redistribution of the energy, helped turn it into heat.

456
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Those heated up turned it into heat, hot water energy.

457
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>Now why don't we have those? It worked fine, they

458
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>worked really well. In fact, there's nothing draftier or lousier

459
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>than a home that has to be heated with wood,

460
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>with carbon, with coal. It is a terrible way to

461
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>do it. That isn't how those mansions were heated. That

462
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>isn't how the Vanderbilt mansion in New York City was heated.

463
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>It was heated with ether, It was heated with ley

464
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<v Speaker 2>Line energy, heated with the copper wires, the copper tubing

465
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<v Speaker 2>through the walls. We've had plumbers on this show who

466
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<v Speaker 2>talk about how they, when working with old homes, would

467
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<v Speaker 2>tear open the walls around those fireplaces, and that's what

468
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 2>they found. They found a tremendous amount of copper tubing,

469
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<v Speaker 2>not for plumbing, but for heat, not for hot water,

470
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<v Speaker 2>not for traditional plumbing. But for the plumbing of heat.

471
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<v Speaker 2>I believe that one of the weirdest things about our

472
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 2>energy today always struck me as odd, Like what really,

473
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<v Speaker 2>if you have trouble with your gas line, who do

474
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<v Speaker 2>you call? You call a plumber? Why do I call

475
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 2>a plumber to fix gas? When you install a new stove,

476
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>a new range that's gas powered, you call a plumber.

477
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>What I thought they just dealt with water. Well, no,

478
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 2>what they dealt with and what they were trained with

479
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>for two hundred years, was how to deal with copper

480
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>tubing and how do we get gas from the gas

481
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>company copper tubing. Plumbers have two hundred and fifty years

482
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>of experience in dealing with that copper tubing when it's

483
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>relative to heat and energy. But it started with the ethernet.

484
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>It started not the ethernet, with the ether from the air.

485
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Until nineteen hundred, ether was on the periodic table. Ether

486
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was on the periodic table, and then around nineteen hundred

487
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>it disappeared, disappeared from the periodic table. All of this

488
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>is amazing, But why did this happen? Why did it happen?

489
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>It happened because the elites did not want it to continue.

490
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't the elites wanted to to not continue. Well,

491
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that coming up in just seconds. You

492
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 2>have a cut in there called Grand Canyon. I want

493
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 2>you to look for the cut in there called Grand

494
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Canyon or something canyon. Would you do that? I wish

495
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I could call a number, but that's just impossible. I'm

496
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Walter Sterling. This is the other side of Night the

497
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>mystery we also wanted to discuss. We'll get back to

498
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the mystery of Ether, but we also want to discuss

499
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>the incredible mystery of the Grand Canyon.

500
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<v Speaker 5>Today, I am at the north rim of the Grand Canyon.

501
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm here because somebody sent me an article for this

502
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 5>person claims this is an underground base. But I'm just

503
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 5>as curious as everyone else. At least maybe we can

504
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 5>solve one mystery of the Grand Canyon. That's why I

505
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 5>came out here to see what we can find. If

506
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 5>it really is an ancient underground alien base, we know

507
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 5>where this thing is. Hello, I'm Jeff at the Track Planner.

508
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Today.

509
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 5>I am at the north rim of the Grand Canyon

510
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 5>trying to solve a mystery. I'm here because somebody sent

511
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<v Speaker 5>me an article from unilad Am I saying that right.

512
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 5>So what is unilad. Unilad is a website that is

513
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<v Speaker 5>a major youth platform for breaking news and relatable viral content.

514
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 5>Unilad is based in the UK, and I think they

515
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 5>have offices in New York. Just by visiting Unilad's website,

516
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 5>you can see how they creatively market their titles and

517
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 5>pictures to grab attention and get clicks like this article

518
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 5>that was sent to me. So what does this unilad

519
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 5>article say? The article starts out with this an ancient

520
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 5>doorway spotted in the Grand Canyon using Google Earth as

521
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 5>conspiracy theorists convinced it's a sign that aliens are real.

522
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 5>Here is bona fide proof that aliens exist, and they've

523
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 5>been leaving behind doorways carved into the very ground itself.

524
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 5>As for what lies beneath the mysterious door, we don't know,

525
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 5>but we can have a lot of fun speculating, and

526
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 5>we sure did have fun speculating Mongolians, Chinese, Egyptian, you know.

527
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 5>Temple entrance a secret stairway, a temple sponsored by the

528
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 5>Smithsonian underground alien base, Romans building fords here. The article

529
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 5>doesn't talk about specifically where the entrance is, but it's

530
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 5>actually right here in your point Imperial just below it.

531
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 5>This person claims on UNILAD this is an alien base,

532
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.039
<v Speaker 5>and so obviously that caught my attention. I came all

533
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 5>the way out here to find out for myself, because

534
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.360
<v Speaker 5>these people don't post themselves hiking to these places, and

535
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 5>there's no answers. There never will be answers for a

536
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 5>lot of this stuff because most of it's just so remote.

537
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 5>But this one we can actually see use binoculars, and

538
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 5>unfortunately Keny's the drone on National Parkland. But at least

539
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 5>maybe we can solve one mystery of the Grand Canyon.

540
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 5>So let's go. Before setting out, I wondered how I

541
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 5>would get there. The terrain looks steep and likely inaccessible.

542
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 5>Consulting a map, I plotted a route that would allow

543
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 5>me to hike to a vantage point directly across from

544
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 5>the entrance. From there, I plan to use binoculars to

545
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 5>get a closer look. I live pretty close to the

546
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 5>Grand Canyon, so it was easy for me to make

547
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 5>a day trip out of this mystery. So I'm here

548
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 5>at the guard station to the north Rim entrance station.

549
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 5>Can't wait, I'm getting closer. So we're gonna see what

550
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 5>all this weird stuff is. Is it aliens?

551
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Is it some portal to the universe?

552
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

553
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna find out soon.

554
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 5>Enough messing around, it was time to figure out where

555
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 5>that secret ancient Egyptian alien entrance was located. So supposedly

556
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 5>that entrance is right below me, so I'm gonna circle

557
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 5>around and get a view of it from this other side.

558
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<v Speaker 4>By the economic logic of extraction, exposure is destruction. The

559
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 4>hope he Elders who declined to discuss the tunnels in

560
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 4>the years before and after nineteen oh nine were not

561
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 4>protecting a secret for its own sake. They were protecting

562
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.880
<v Speaker 4>an archive, a physical record placed in the most inaccessible

563
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 4>terrain in North America, maintained by a tradition of silence

564
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 4>that had for centuries successfully kept it intact. In the

565
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 4>spring of nineteen o nine, an explorer floating through the

566
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 4>Grand Canyon noticed something that should not have been there.

567
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 4>It was not the cave that caught his attention. The

568
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 4>canyon contains thousands of caves. It was the iron, more

569
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 4>than a thousand feet above the Colorado River, fixed into

570
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 4>the cliff face itself. Was what he later described as

571
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 4>an iron fitted entrance in a place where no entrance

572
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 4>should have existed at all. The climb took hours. What

573
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 4>waited at the top kept people arguing for more than

574
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 4>a century. According to the report published weeks later, the

575
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 4>passage behind the door led into an underground complex containing

576
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 4>copper weapons, sealed grain stores, carved chambers, and human remains,

577
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 4>unlike anything the explorer had expected to find in Arizona.

578
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 4>The strange part is not that the story was printed.

579
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 4>The strange part is that after nineteen oh nine, almost

580
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 4>everything connected to it seemed to vanish, except the newspaper

581
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:17.079
<v Speaker 4>that printed it. The expedition records vanished, the artifacts vanished,

582
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 4>the follow up investigation vanished. Only the canyon remained, and,

583
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 4>according to Hopi traditions recorded long before the newspaper story existed,

584
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 4>some places beneath the canyon were left sealed for a reason.

585
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 4>Tonight we're looking at the iron Door, the explorers who

586
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 4>opened it, and the question that has followed the Grand

587
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 4>Canyon ever since. What exactly did they wake up in

588
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 4>nineteen o nine. Oh By the spring of nineteen oh eight,

589
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Speaker 4>ge Kincaid had already spent months alone on the Colorado River.

590
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.280
<v Speaker 4>His assignment was simple enough on paper. Follow the river

591
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 4>record the terrain document anything useful for future surveys. The

592
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 4>problem with the Grand Canon is that it does not

593
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 4>behave like paper distances lie. Cliffs that look climbable from

594
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 4>the river become walls when you reach them. Shadows hide

595
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 4>entire ledge systems for most of the day. There are

596
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 4>places inside the canyon where two people can stand less

597
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 4>than a mile apart and never know the other exists.

598
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 4>Kincaid understood this better than most men of his time,

599
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 4>because he was seeing the canyon from the only angle

600
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 4>that mattered from the water, According to the Arizona gazettea

601
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 4>count somewhere in the Marble Canyon section. He noticed an

602
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.199
<v Speaker 4>unusual discolouration high above the river on the north wall.

603
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<v Speaker 4>Not a cave opening, not from below at least. What

604
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 4>caught his attention was the way the morning light reflected

605
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 4>from the cliff. The surface appeared smoother than the surrounding rock,

606
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 4>as though part of the wall had once been cut

607
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 4>rather than broken from the river. It looked unnatural enough

608
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 4>to justify a closer look. That decision changed the direction

609
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 4>of the entire expedition. He secured the boat and started climbing.

610
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<v Speaker 4>The newspaper account estimated the entrance sat roughly fourteen hundred

611
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 4>feet above the Colorado River. Anyone familiar with the Grand

612
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Canyon immediately understands what that means. This was not hiking,

613
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 4>This was not scrambling. This was exposure loose rock, narrow ledges,

614
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 4>sections where one mistake would send a climber all the

615
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 4>way back to the river floor. Even today, with modern

616
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 4>equipment and established climbing routes, sections of the north Wall

617
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 4>remained dangerous enough that rescue teams regularly refused recovery operations

618
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<v Speaker 4>until conditions improve. Kincaid was making the ascent alone in

619
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 4>nineteen oh eight. Hours later he reached the opening, and,

620
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<v Speaker 4>according to the account, the first thing he saw was

621
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<v Speaker 4>the reason this story survived at all. The entrance did

622
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<v Speaker 4>not look natural. The gazette described it as fitted with iron,

623
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 4>not an iron gate, not a wooden door, reinforced with metal.

624
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Iron worked directly into the entrance itself, as though whoever

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<v Speaker 4>used the site had wanted to strengthen, protect, or possibly

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<v Speaker 4>seal whatever lay behind it. That detail changes the entire story.

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<v Speaker 4>A cave is geology, an iron doorway is intention. An

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<v Speaker 4>iron doorway means tools, metal working, planning, labour. It means

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<v Speaker 4>somebody reached this cliff before Kincaid did and expected somebody

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<v Speaker 4>else to arrive after them. That is not how caves happen.

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<v Speaker 4>That is how entrances happen, and entrances imply occupants. Kincaid

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<v Speaker 4>entered with a lantern, expecting a chamber. Instead, he found

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<v Speaker 4>a passage extending deep into the canyon wall itself. The

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<v Speaker 4>floor was level, the ceiling remained high enough to walk comfortably.

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<v Speaker 4>The air was dry still. Older explorers often described ancient

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<v Speaker 4>caves by smell before sight, because sealed spaces carry their

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<v Speaker 4>own atmosphere. This place apparently did not smell abandoned. It

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<v Speaker 4>smelled preserved. As he moved deeper, side chambers began appearing

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<v Speaker 4>at regular intervals along the corridor, not random hollows, rooms

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<v Speaker 4>placed where rooms should be placed if somebody had planned them.

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<v Speaker 4>By the time Kincaid reached the first major chamber, he

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<v Speaker 4>had already stopped thinking like a surveyor. Because surveyors mapped landscapes,

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<v Speaker 4>they do not expect to find architecture hidden inside them.

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<v Speaker 4>And somewhere in the darkness ahead of him sat the

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<v Speaker 4>object that convinced him this discovery was bigger than anything

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<v Speaker 4>he could investigate alone, not gold, not treasure, something much

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<v Speaker 4>more dangerous than treasure. Evidence enough evidence that his next

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<v Speaker 4>decision was not whether to continue exploring, It was whether

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<v Speaker 4>to leave the canyon and tell someone what he had found.

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<v Speaker 4>The first chamber looked exactly like what Kincaid expected to

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<v Speaker 4>find in a cave system, bare stone, dust, natural walls

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<v Speaker 4>shaped by water and time. Then he stepped into the

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<v Speaker 4>second chamber, and the expedition stopped being geology. According to

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<v Speaker 4>the Arizona Gazette, a count the walls inside the complex

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<v Speaker 4>did not follow the irregular patterns normally found in limestone caves.

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<v Speaker 4>The corners were too deliberate. The passageways met each other

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<v Speaker 4>at angles that suggested planning rather than erosion. Some chambers

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<v Speaker 4>appeared to have been placed at regular intervals along the

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<v Speaker 4>main corridor, as though the entire complex had been designed

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<v Speaker 4>before the first section was ever excavated. Kincaid later described

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<v Speaker 4>a layout as extending far deeper into the cliff than

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<v Speaker 4>he had expected possible. The main passage reportedly continued hundreds

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<v Speaker 4>of feet into the canyon wall. Smaller rooms opened on

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<v Speaker 4>both side sides. Some were empty, others were not. The

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<v Speaker 4>first objects he reportedly encountered were storage vessels, large jars,

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<v Speaker 4>some sealed, some broken, several still containing what appeared to

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<v Speaker 4>be remnants of grain preserved by the dry air of

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<v Speaker 4>the canyon interior. That detail alone creates problems. Storage implies planning.

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<v Speaker 4>Planning implies permanence. Nobody builds food storage for a temporary

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<v Speaker 4>shelter fourteen hundred feet above a river unless they expect

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<v Speaker 4>people to remain there for a very long time. Further

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<v Speaker 4>inside came tools, copper implements, blades, points, objects whose exact

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<v Speaker 4>purpose Kincaid apparently could not identify. The important detail was

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<v Speaker 4>not what they were. The important detail was where they were.

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<v Speaker 4>This was Arizona inside the ground canyon in nineteen oh nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody expected to discover worked metal hidden inside an inaccessible

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<v Speaker 4>underground complex in the American Southwest. The find was strange

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<v Speaker 4>enough that Kincaid reportedly contacted the Smithsonian almost immediately after

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<v Speaker 4>returning from the expedition. Then came the objects that transformed

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<v Speaker 4>the story from unusual archaeology into something much larger. Metal tablets,

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<v Speaker 4>thin sheets bearing symbols that Kincaid could not read and

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<v Speaker 4>could not compare with any writing system familiar to him.

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<v Speaker 4>The Gazette a Count never published the symbols, no drawings survive,

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<v Speaker 4>no photographs were ever released. The entire existence of the

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<v Speaker 4>tablets rests on the testimony of the men who allegedly

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<v Speaker 4>saw them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Other Side of Midnight with Walter Sterling The Other

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<v Speaker 1>Side of Midnight with Walter Sterling.

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<v Speaker 5>Talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Wel the Other Side of Midnight Terry in New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Other Side of Midnight. Hello Terry.

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<v Speaker 6>Walter. Your show is magnifico and in the Latin term magnificous,

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<v Speaker 6>unbelievable show.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you on a speaker? Are you on a speaker? Terry?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I am not doing a speaker. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>sound like you're not on a speaker. You shifted quickly.

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<v Speaker 6>Well to the other show is fabulous. Also, when they

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<v Speaker 6>built houses maybe seventy five years ago, one hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 6>they weren't really putting the right They weren't really doing insulation.

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<v Speaker 6>I would say one hundred years ago they probably infancy

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<v Speaker 6>was you know, insulation, And then after World War Two

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<v Speaker 6>they started catching on with insulation, but they were very

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<v Speaker 6>skimpy and cheap on the insulation, and that's it, just

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<v Speaker 6>because because oil and coal and wood was all cheap

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<v Speaker 6>back then, and they figured people could buy much as

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<v Speaker 6>they want and they'll make money. And then when we

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<v Speaker 6>had the oil embargoes and the oil prices of the

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen seventies, then you saw the oil prices go through

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<v Speaker 6>the roof. I know there are people in the audience

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<v Speaker 6>who drove cars back then, heated their houses, and they

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<v Speaker 6>felt that pinch during the seventies. And I just feel

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<v Speaker 6>that they just turned the Middle East oil producers into

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<v Speaker 6>multi billionaires and they know they could play with us.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I ran I really doesn't care that they are

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<v Speaker 6>navy's in the bottom of the ocean, because after the

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<v Speaker 6>war is over, the oil will flow and they'll buy

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<v Speaker 6>a new navy from the Soviets like they did the

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<v Speaker 6>last time, and now the Chinese will help them out.

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<v Speaker 6>So they couldn't care less if you put their air force,

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<v Speaker 6>you ground it permanently. They're gonna buy planes and jets

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<v Speaker 6>from Soviet from Soviet Russia and from China too. They're

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<v Speaker 6>going to be supplied, so as that oil flows, they

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<v Speaker 6>become multi trillionaires again. And I'm just fascinated by your show,

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<v Speaker 6>because the other night I heard you mentioned Darky killed

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<v Speaker 6>get Ellen. She's the only one who ever interviewed Jack Ruby.

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<v Speaker 6>She did it twice. She interviewed him, and she did

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<v Speaker 6>let onto people say that she was going to break

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<v Speaker 6>the Kennedy case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we covered that when she said that, you know

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<v Speaker 2>she went to bed, and yes, she went to bed

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't wake up.

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<v Speaker 6>Weeks weeks she got the same treatment. I believe both

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<v Speaker 6>of them were helped along the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe both of them were murdered. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for the call. I appreciate it. Walter Sterling

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<v Speaker 2>at eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two.

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<v Speaker 2>The show is the Other Side of Midnight from the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Apple Audio Networks
