WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:22.519 Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to 2 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:28.839 Policy and Rights, the show about DOLCOM policy and human rights. 3 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:03.960 So welcome to the show Motaz and today we're talking 4 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.799 about uh Soji and UH. We we also have clips 5 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.040 that at the end at the end of this of 6 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.359 a anti Soji protest that I was at at the 7 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.719 m l a's office in Surrey on King George Boulevard, 8 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.359 And it was kind of kind of interesting because there 9 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:36.680 was a political candidate there who was calling for banning 10 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:41.959 of books and and they were also talking about disrupting 11 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:49.640 classes at a school, which if you are are are 12 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.439 saying that you're trying to protect the children, then why 13 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:58.799 would you want to ban books and uh and disturb 14 00:01:58.840 --> 00:01:59.319 a school? 15 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.560 You know, her protest was probably a candle right march 16 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:09.759 called one Million March for Children, and what they're basically 17 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.719 marching for is what they call parental rights to protect 18 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:21.680 their children. But what they're complaining about is that they 19 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.800 don't have a say in their children's lives when it 20 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:32.199 comes to their gender preference and their pronouns and something 21 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:35.000 that they're opposed to, which they saying that the school 22 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.840 system and the society is grooming them. 23 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:44.000 But you know, Michael, society has been greeting kids for 24 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.719 a long time, you know, how to be a good 25 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.439 boy and how to be a good girl, and how 26 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:50.960 to dress and things like that. 27 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:57.360 But now they're upset that some parents and society wants 28 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.599 to do children more choices and more rereadom and they're 29 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.840 calling that rooming, which is kind of interesting. Now. 30 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.439 The thing is they're complaining that they don't have parents rights, 31 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.199 which is not true. They do parents rights. What they're 32 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.680 complaining about is they're not finding the what's happening with 33 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:20.560 their kids in school. That's because some children are afraid 34 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.599 of their parents and telling their parents what their gender 35 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.960 identity is or their pronouns. Are A lot of parents 36 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.520 who are supporting their kids don't have that problem, and 37 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.319 they have a right to work these things are with 38 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:37.919 their children. 39 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.599 It's the children who are having problems with their parents 40 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.199 are having the problem, so they're marching across Canada or 41 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.840 a right to control and abuse their kids. Basically, that's 42 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:48.360 what it is. 43 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:55.080 Well, Okay, I think that that's a little bit on 44 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.159 the extreme side, but I will say this much because 45 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.960 it the school system itself and one of the one 46 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.960 of one of the things that we're not even going 47 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:16.720 to get into the uh sexual orientation and gender identity 48 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:20.920 uh part that that that these people are are are 49 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.160 talking about in this particular protest, and I not even 50 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.439 gonna get to that yet. That one of my complaints 51 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.800 out of the school system was that they did not 52 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.199 send homework home with the child. Okay, if my children 53 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.560 didn't come home with homework, they didn't come home with books. 54 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.120 So I wanted to know what they were actually doing 55 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:46.519 in in the classroom, What were they what were they 56 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:52.360 supposed to be learning? So simply put, how I discovered 57 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.120 what it was that they were actually teaching in a classroom. 58 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:59.680 You have a right as a parent to appear in 59 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:07.360 the classroom, and that also told my my child that 60 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.160 who was in the in said classroom that I wanted 61 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.839 to wanted to wanted to be part of that conversation. 62 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.920 And they would tell me. They would come home afterwards 63 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.399 and they would tell me what was happening in happening 64 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:26.519 in school, and I was sometimes excited sometimes not so 65 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.360 that as far as I know, that has not changed. 66 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:35.079 Do you have the right to show up inside the 67 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.160 the classroom and as long as you're not disruptive of 68 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.439 the classroom. You can listen to what is actually being 69 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.120 said and taught. So that hasn't changed, has it? 70 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.439 I don't think so. But I think the issue is 71 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:48.639 also for a lot of. 72 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.600 Children is how comfortable they are with telling their parents there, 73 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:01.680 because some consider you know, not a where a trustful 74 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:05.560 relationship or you know, with with with their parents. 75 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.680 So if there's a child that is going on or 76 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.160 or if they're not, they're they're fearful for what their 77 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.480 parents think or tell them, and then they might need 78 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:16.519 to be comfortable. 79 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:22.120 With their parents coming. I think consent goes both way. 80 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:27.000 Is I think you know, you need pers continue what's 81 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.560 going on for sure, but you need to also consent 82 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.439 from from the young people, uh that it's okay for 83 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:34.360 their parents to be there. 84 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.879 Well, yeah, like you said, the key, the key to 85 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:45.600 that is is not to be disruptive, right, Okay, So 86 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.680 so if you're not if so, but having having seen 87 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:55.120 the footage that came back from our camera crow, which 88 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.920 you if you're listening to this on on the audio, 89 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.319 you will actually hear some of what they actually had 90 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:05.800 to say. It does sound like they were they were 91 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.519 making a point of saying that they would they were 92 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.759 going to disrupt what is going on in the school 93 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.040 and disrupt the learning of the children. So which in 94 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.360 of itself is that's not good. That's that is not 95 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.279 our role as parents to disrupt the classroom. Our role 96 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:29.839 as parents is to participate in the classroom and so 97 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.600 that we ensure that our child is being treated fairly. 98 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:37.399 Right, right, And I'm really think you know, whether what 99 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.000 we're talking about in terms of surgy or this marsh 100 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:46.160 for children, it should be about the children and their 101 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:49.839 their protection and their right to learn and to be 102 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.040 aware so they can make better choices. So it's not 103 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:58.959 about the parents, It's about the children. I'd say, yeah, now. 104 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:06.879 Too. I did another interview with with a BC school 105 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:16.079 district teacher and she and she and we had we 106 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.839 had a bit of a discussion around that. But how 107 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.879 I introduced that was I said that teachers should be 108 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.040 allowed tools to open minds. 109 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:27.879 Yes, uh. 110 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.039 Now I want to address address sexual orientation and gender 111 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:40.360 identity protections in the in the school. In the school 112 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:46.840 system itself, which otherwise known as SOG SOGI, according to 113 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:52.480 the British Columbia website, is there in place to protect 114 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:59.279 the children from being bullied, right, and it. 115 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.480 Is all it's more aware because you know, I mean, yeah, 116 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:05.919 I mean my memory of school, the school since them 117 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:12.519 is they've always been talking about sexual orientation and gender enterity, 118 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:16.159 but in a very limited way, and you know, they 119 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.159 grooming children to be boys and girls and behave a 120 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.399 certain way with limited choices and the judgment. 121 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:30.000 Well, what's changed now is that you're giving more education 122 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.840 and awareness of different ways of being. 123 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:38.840 Yeah, I do remember. It was like forty some years ago, 124 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.919 of course for me for the end of my high 125 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:51.919 school or my school age years, but I remember school 126 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.320 as far as sexual orientation was concerned, there was no 127 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.600 such thing as sexual orientation. There was one simple thing 128 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:04.879 students mm hmmm, and that was the only thing that 129 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.120 was going to be taught was abstinate that you should 130 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.360 not It doesn't matter if it was with male, same 131 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.960 sex or with opposite sex. 132 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.120 Well, I went to public schools. I think there's a 133 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.399 little more liberal. I mean it's been changing over the years, right, 134 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.759 They talked about sex and and things like that, and 135 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.039 they talked about protection and so coming out of high 136 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:31.000 school and things. 137 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:35.960 Like that, I had some idea of sexual orientation. 138 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.519 And gender but it was in the in that that 139 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.159 in that time, it was still very limited that there 140 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:47.480 was you'd either straight, eight you're a gay, or trance. 141 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.200 There was nothing in between. 142 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.879 It was yeah either. 143 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:59.360 So there was limited choices even then. But when I 144 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:04.320 started practicing my counseling, when he went into youth, they 145 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:08.200 started using long languages like non binary and and it's 146 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:13.440 just it's oh, so there were more choices and it's 147 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:17.600 not so limitted, you know, I mean there's other more 148 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.000 language always changing that the term gender fluid has become 149 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.919 a little bit more in use and things like that, 150 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.519 but it is says but it think is that I 151 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:32.799 think that doesn't matter how you try to groom kids 152 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.399 or adults. They are who they are and they will 153 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.080 be who they will be. Because when I was young, 154 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.159 when I was six years old, I used to wear, 155 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.720 you know, a veil and play with the girls and 156 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:49.080 nobody said anything. But when he came to Canada, you know, 157 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.679 I was a feminine, and they got bullied and harassed 158 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:59.240 because I wasn't, you know, presenting as our boys should 159 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.639 you know, I wasn't groomed properly to be a boy, 160 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.480 so I was not trained to. 161 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.399 Be a proper boy and I got bullied and harrassed 162 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.080 because of that, and I get question. 163 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.320 Like are you gay? You're like boying. I didn't know 164 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.320 about gender and sexuality. I just felt comfortable dressing the 165 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:22.440 way I did. 166 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:29.120 Well. I totally understand that because at the same time, 167 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:36.000 like I said, during my entire time of I didn't 168 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:44.639 discover a personally. I didn't discover a sexuality until I 169 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:49.320 was almost twenty one years old. So through school I 170 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:55.759 was bullied because I didn't. I was completely asexual. 171 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:02.480 I didn't res outer here, you know, even like you know. 172 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:07.840 You know, is is a gender identity being a sexual. 173 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.399 Right, but even like in in media, even when we 174 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.639 grew up with television, now we have got multiple media 175 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.320 sources and things like that, you know. 176 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.720 Uh, and it's so sexualized. 177 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.159 And that's part of the problem that the idea of 178 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:23.480 being a. 179 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.639 Sexual was like what's that? Yeah, like you know that 180 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.039 you have to be sexualized and that that that that 181 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.720 that that that the normality of being a sexual. It's 182 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.919 not even an option that people can see exactly. 183 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:44.399 So so we just get through our adulthood, which I okay, 184 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:49.720 going back to going back to the social policies as 185 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.919 for teachers. They need to have as many tools as 186 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.840 they need to open up a mind. And this is 187 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:04.360 what I think is is with some of these people 188 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:08.240 who were participating in this march. It isn't that they're 189 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.840 against soji, although that is the tool that they are attacking. 190 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.679 It is that they are against their children thinking differently 191 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:18.240 than they do. 192 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:22.639 Well, this is it. Yeah, And like you know, I mean, 193 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.480 I I want to this website, you know, one million 194 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.639 marched for children. And they thought that they're talking about, 195 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:36.519 you know, marching for uh the worry whether that what 196 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.039 children to be exposed to, that that they're too young 197 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.159 and impressionable. And I understand an argument, right, but but 198 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:50.039 but they're using language like uh Peter files and and 199 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:56.080 uh uh you know this kind of language. Uh and 200 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.639 and they're being saying, oh, this is about the kids, 201 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.480 but but this this Facebook page, this is completely transphobic. 202 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.320 So they're not even just talking about soli. They're they're 203 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.399 prevading people for how they dress. Like a random woman 204 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.320 is being berated. And I mean, look like, oh they. 205 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:19.440 Can be like that. Kids, they spenc kids, they act 206 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:24.559 like bullies, right and and and and they're saying that only. 207 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:30.639 LGBT folks are Peter files and predators, and we know 208 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.799 that it's not the case, right, I mean, I think 209 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:36.159 they they think we don't. 210 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.600 Care about our kids, but of course we care our kids. 211 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.039 The kids will We want your kids to be safe 212 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:44.799 from predators. You know, it doesn't matter what their gender 213 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.720 identity is or their sexual orientation is. We want our 214 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:49.639 kids to be safe. 215 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:54.000 And they they they think that we are the problem, 216 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.759 but really do the problem. 217 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:03.240 So yeah, the problem isn't isn't us or them. The 218 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:10.279 problem actually is is the corporations that are actually perpetuating 219 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:16.120 the two polarized agendas. So the day they actually make 220 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.720 the profit. But that's but we're not going to go 221 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.919 too deep into that. Well, I mean, the reason is 222 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.120 that they give this large is happening. 223 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:31.000 You know, this manch was across Canada, but actually coincided 224 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:35.360 with the launch of the BC provincial election. So this 225 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:40.399 issue was yeah the day before is becoming all they 226 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.080 wanted to be an election issue. But interestingly, but the 227 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.799 turnout was less this year than it was last year, 228 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:51.360 So the interest of anti SOLGI stuff is getting less, 229 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.720 maybe because people are not very happy with the tactics. Uh, 230 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.759 the kind of the. 231 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:05.920 Scale well, okay, so let's let's discuss that for a second, 232 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.960 because one one of the pieces of footage, and unfortunately 233 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.519 you can't actually hear this on on the radio portion 234 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:21.119 is that as a group they stepped out into traffic 235 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:26.839 in two on on King George Boulevard. Well, as you know, 236 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:34.200 King George Boulevard is a multi lane street at at 237 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:39.039 of course, across this particular m l AS and I 238 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.039 don't don't really want to mention who the m l 239 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:47.400 A is, uh, whose whose office sits on the on 240 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.000 the street at that point in the street, it's it 241 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:55.079 is two lanes of traffic going in either direction, so 242 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:01.279 four lanes of traffic in total, and the these people 243 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.599 stepped out into traffic, causing the police to have to 244 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.240 stop traffic on the street. The police were not going 245 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.440 to stop the traffic, but because these people started stepping 246 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.640 into the street, the police stopped the traffic for the 247 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.839 safety of the people. And then they started chanting something 248 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:26.400 about about about the police are protecting the pedophiles. But 249 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.279 they were the ones who enacted the police to actually 250 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:32.039 make their presence more known. 251 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:41.079 They were in and they're they're forcing the police to 252 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.279 support them. 253 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.839 I was, but uh, and I was just like in 254 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.240 I do remember one of the one of my cameramen 255 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.640 said that you did stop the police and he thanked 256 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:58.880 them for them being there, and he said, I I 257 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.720 hope and pray that it does to escalate to anything 258 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:07.599 more than just them talking. But if but that was 259 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.599 the vibe they were looking for a reason for it 260 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:13.079 to escalate further. 261 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:17.839 Yeah, but what Michael, what really you know? And then 262 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.880 we've been talking about this program. What pretty worries me 263 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.200 is that there are different minority groups that are involved 264 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.640 in this protests from different religious background some of my 265 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.160 own community, South Asian community, Muslims, Sick, Hindu and so on. 266 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:36.240 Who who are saying that we should be living choices 267 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:40.920 or educating our kids about transgender identity. But the fact 268 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.240 that is this transcender folks live in our societies back 269 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.720 in Pakistan, in India and places like that, and they're 270 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:56.160 partly with your life. So what's wrong with educating young 271 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.920 people about the reality of how people live and choices? 272 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:05.480 Then make so when when they when I decided that 273 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.839 I wanted to dress like a girl and with a veil, 274 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:13.400 and nobody questioned me that was my choice. 275 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.920 So when a young person wants to present themselves or 276 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:20.319 to dress in a way that they feel comfortable, that 277 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.480 they should not be traumatized to think otherwise. 278 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:27.079 Or or or or or learn from their their colleagues 279 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:32.440 that they can change their change their name or their 280 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.319 gender pronouns, and that they shouldn't be told that you 281 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.200 can't do that. Interesting these people are saying that they 282 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:43.839 the kids are being told that they should be this 283 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.920 or if they're like you know, they're in group. But 284 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:51.279 it's on the contrary and it's anti grooming. It's actually 285 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:54.240 the choices are being who they. 286 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.240 Are, that they want to dress like a traditional boy 287 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:58.839 or a traditional girl or something in between. 288 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:02.920 That's their choice, is right. Nobody should be told you 289 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:04.960 should be dressed like this, or should dress like that, 290 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.039 or maybe you are you know, this gender, or maybe 291 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:08.759 you're that gender. 292 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:13.200 It's let people know what what's out there and they 293 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:14.640 can make their own choices. 294 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:15.480 Well. 295 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:19.799 The thing the thing is is one of the when 296 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:26.559 we start talking about gender fluidity, which you where I 297 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.440 discovered through time is that gender doesn't even really matter 298 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.240 in the workplace. It doesn't matter what gender. 299 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.279 But but my colo does and where gender does matter 300 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:47.759 is influenced by culture and religion and also also media 301 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.279 and social media and Hollywood and Bollywood and so on 302 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.599 tell us how we should dress and how we should act. 303 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.400 And you know, whether it's a culture and diligent culture 304 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.400 or somewhere into fined right, So that's where that's what's 305 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:04.759 telling us how to do that. 306 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:08.759 But it's no small portion of our lives. That isn't 307 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:13.119 That isn't our everyday life, our everyday life. It's like 308 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:21.480 that it it doesn't. It doesn't matter as much as Okay, 309 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.880 so I apply for a job, does it matter that 310 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:32.599 I am one gender or another gender, or somewhere on 311 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.160 the scale between all of them. It doesn't matter as 312 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:37.039 long as I can get the job done right. 313 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.680 When I'm thinking back to my name was like you know, 314 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.279 six seven, eight years old, and where I do wonder 315 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.319 across a certain way or going to my mom's room 316 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.359 and where I jildren things like that, It is like 317 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.000 I saw other girls wearing that, and I thought that 318 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.960 that looks fretting and I want to wear it too. Yeah, 319 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.240 And I saw when there jewelry and I want to 320 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.960 try it on too. Nobody told me that that's what 321 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.920 I should be doing or shouldn't be doing right. 322 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.839 But there was nothing learning wrong with you you trying 323 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.319 on the trying on the jewelry, right, there was nothing 324 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.160 wrong with you putting on putting on the scar for 325 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:19.480 what I feel good? 326 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.880 You know, I felt like this is nice. I know, 327 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.160 part of me is programming was knowing that this is 328 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.720 scandalous and this is wrong because your boy and you 329 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:37.000 shouldn't be doing that. But debate right whether whether what 330 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.680 feels good or what it feels right, you know what I'm saying. 331 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.200 Yeah, so so basically right. And and this is what 332 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.440 what I read on the on the BC government website 333 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:54.200 is that what they want is is for the kids 334 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:59.400 to believe that that they are safe and comfortable to 335 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:03.599 be who they want to be, you know. 336 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.240 And as a psychotherapist, I think that's very healthy. 337 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.359 And when I was growing up, I was made to 338 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.640 believe that what I was doing is wrong, and that 339 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.559 traumatized me, and that that trauma stayed with me until now. 340 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.519 Yeah, so if you want your kids to grow up healthy, 341 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.119 you should let them know that it's okay to be 342 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.279 whatever you want to be, whether you're a boy or 343 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.119 a girl or something in between. Me and that's fine, 344 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.279 and that's rich voice, and nobody should be telling you 345 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:38.920 a group. 346 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:45.880 No, no, they And I, honestly, I think think the 347 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.880 problem is is not that the teachers is not the 348 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:56.079 not necessarily with the teachers are saying in the classroom. 349 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:01.799 Some of what it is is is they these these 350 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:05.119 videos on TikTok and Instagram and all and all this 351 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:11.920 social media stuff where you have someone on social media. 352 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.799 He puts his digitized mask over his face and says, well, 353 00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.599 if you're gay, that you know you know this is true. 354 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:22.839 You know this is true that if you're gay, that 355 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:29.319 someone touched you as a child, someone someone abused you 356 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.240 as a child, that's why you're gay. And he doesn't 357 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.839 the person who who does this in question doesn't even 358 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.799 have enough He doesn't even have enough bravery inside of 359 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:48.079 enough courage to remove the digitized mass his face. It's 360 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.559 like because he knows what he's saying is offensive. 361 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.880 Michael. The thing is that the social thing is so new, 362 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.880 and you know, not all parents, not all teachers are perfect, 363 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.519 and so maybe don't have the writing for me, you 364 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:08.440 nor media overzealous to not be so tactful, to present 365 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.799 things in a way that's more ualized. 366 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.720 Right, and and and think that maybe so and not 367 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.720 like I don't think you know that they've had the 368 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.559 kind of preparedness and awareness for. 369 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.440 The teachers to do this properly in a in a 370 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:27.680 in a respect. 371 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:33.920 Yeah, so I can see where some some maybe overseel 372 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:39.559 teachers might get overboard with information which can be kind of. 373 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:42.400 Overpowering. 374 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:44.799 But I think, I think, I think, I think there 375 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.759 needs to be more balance in that approach of how 376 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.599 this is taught and how it's taught properly so that 377 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.720 the kids, the children are getting the right information in 378 00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:00.319 a balance to way. So they're not being there, so 379 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:05.559 they're not being Yeah, so they're not being confused or 380 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:10.759 pressured or forced to think one way the other. Just 381 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.160 because they might be androgynous or or they might be 382 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.599 presenting one way or the other, doesn't mean. 383 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.799 That reflects or affects the gender identity or they are 384 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.680 sexual orientation, you. 385 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.559 Know that perfect. And I met people like I met 386 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.799 this woman, you know who doesn't know where. 387 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:33.119 Women's clothes, you know, wear shorts, hair and jeans Punjabi 388 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.160 woman And I'm like, oh, diet. 389 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.000 Right, But she's got five kids and she runs like 390 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:40.759 these are. 391 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:48.200 Stereotypes just pointed out a line of your identity, all 392 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:50.920 your sexual orientation, which. 393 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.640 You pointed out was a line of fashion. 394 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.319 To be right, right, it's just. 395 00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:58.799 A way of dressing. 396 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:04.079 I think you know in the in the twenties, thirties 397 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.000 and forties, when women start dressing up and then's clothes 398 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.960 and performing and doing things, which is where it courageous. 399 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.359 Was great. It was an acting evolution. 400 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:18.799 Okay, and and and and to be free. But that 401 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.720