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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp, the

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<v Speaker 1>House Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty Live everywhere in HD on the iHeartRadio App. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to home Where. Every week we help you better

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<v Speaker 1>understand that place where you live. I am Dean Sharp,

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<v Speaker 1>the house Whisperer, custom home builder, custom home designer, and

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly today, your guide to transforming your ordinary house

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<v Speaker 1>into an extraordinary home and talk about needing guidance. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be talking about now that we've rounded

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<v Speaker 1>the corner into the holidays. It's the very first Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>very first weekend in November. Halloween just behind us, now,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but holidays before us. The weather is shifting everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit everywhere, a lot in some places. The

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<v Speaker 1>point is this, we're gonna be talking about fireplaces today.

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<v Speaker 1>Fireplaces are emblematic, they are nostalgic, They can be practical.

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<v Speaker 1>They are often problematic when it comes to your home

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<v Speaker 1>because of furniture layouts, all sorts of stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and making the most of a fireplace that you've got

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. We're going to try and discuss today

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<v Speaker 1>to help you understand your fireplace better, making a place

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<v Speaker 1>for your fireplace. That's what we're calling today's show. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course we're going to take some calls. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we take calls, we take calls about anything that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about regarding your home. You set the agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be a construction question, a design question, DIY,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. Or you can call me

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about your fireplace, whatever you want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever is scratching your head regarding your home. I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to help you through it. The number to reach me

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<v Speaker 1>eight three three two. Ask Dean A three three the

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<v Speaker 1>numeral two ask Dean eight three three to ask Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>The phone lines are open, Yes now, yes they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And producer Michelle Cube standing by ready to take your calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we do all of this right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bring some light into your morning, even though it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be dark outside, and we're gonna make you feel glad

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<v Speaker 1>that you were here. The team is here for you.

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<v Speaker 1>There they are, those crazy kids. Good morning Sam, Good

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<v Speaker 1>morning Dean. How you doing. I am exhausted. I stayed

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<v Speaker 1>up way too late last night, but I'm on my

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth cup of coffee, and so as a result, you

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<v Speaker 1>when the Dodger hangover, doing real real well for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh uh oh, my goodness. Glad to have you with

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<v Speaker 1>us as always, Sam as I mentioned producer Michelle Cube,

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<v Speaker 1>the legendary Michelle Cube. I wish she was near mic

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but she is busy standing by to take

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<v Speaker 1>your calls. The number again eight three three two. Ask Dean,

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<v Speaker 1>give us a call, even if you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Michelle. She's ready, all right, KF I am

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<v Speaker 1>six forty live streaming live like I'm here for real

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<v Speaker 1>go into it technology, right, it's great until it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's great again. So we're here. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were listening right at the top of the show and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I thought Dean was going to talk about fireplaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we just took a right turn and abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. No, we didn't. We just had to

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<v Speaker 1>run a little fill And now we're here. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking fireplaces today. Plus we're going to be going

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<v Speaker 1>to the phones taking your call. Let me give you

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<v Speaker 1>the number eight three three two ask Dean. Yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really here. Eight three three the numeral to ask dean.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer Michelle is standing by, ready to take your call.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything you want to talk about regarding your home today,

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<v Speaker 1>anything at all, construction diy, you know, design questions, anything

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<v Speaker 1>that you're scratching your head about about your home. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>put our heads together. I'm here to help. That's our

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<v Speaker 1>goal here. Okay, let's dive in and get to where

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go about a half an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The fireplace, you know how, is a fireplace kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like an appendix. I like always starting fireplace shows with

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<v Speaker 1>this question. It's it's here's how. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>vestigial organ for a house from a homes When you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, it's inefficient, it's outdated. Some people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>why do we even have this thing? That's how. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like an appendix. Right, It's no longer needed to cook

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<v Speaker 1>food on to light a room or to keep most

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<v Speaker 1>most houses warm unless you have a mountain cabin, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and everybody knows that story. But generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of human beings here in North America

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<v Speaker 1>are not fireplace dependent homes. And yet there they are,

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<v Speaker 1>right and for good reason, because a fireplace is so

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<v Speaker 1>iconically the former center the very heart of a home. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was so central to all things home

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<v Speaker 1>that you know that came with the phrase a hearth

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<v Speaker 1>and home. Hearth and home inseparable, right, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>the warmth, this is the source of food, and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so forth. So most people these days can

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<v Speaker 1>be divided into two clear camps. People who are sick

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<v Speaker 1>and tired their fireplace and want to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>it or wish they could. Other people who don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do with it but really like the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there we are. Most people also don't use

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<v Speaker 1>their fireplace. I would say upwards of seventy percent of

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<v Speaker 1>homeowners with a fireplace never touch the thing, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it just sits there. I'd like to change that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you why. I think the idea of fire

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<v Speaker 1>is powerful magic for human beings. As a designer. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it as somebody who encourages you and coaches you

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<v Speaker 1>to build a beautiful home. I love fire, fire and water,

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<v Speaker 1>the two most natural elements that just kind of creep

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<v Speaker 1>into our souls as human beings. We are simply evolved

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of it. So I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of purging fire from a home, open flame

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<v Speaker 1>or the flame effect because of all the benefits that

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<v Speaker 1>it has on us, just psychologically and emotionally. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things you need to know about those benefits, those

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<v Speaker 1>things that are physically ingrained in us. Now. Eighteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>K what does that mean? Eighteen hundred K. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a color temperature, not heat temperature, but color temperature of

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<v Speaker 1>lights and things like that. You've heard me talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this on lighting, Like three thousand K is a bright light,

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<v Speaker 1>not really blue tinted, not really amber. If you get

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<v Speaker 1>below three thousand K three thousand kelvin, then light begins

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<v Speaker 1>to warm up and go amber. If you get above it,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to go bluish and kind of weird toward daylight,

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<v Speaker 1>which is five thousand K. Well, fire, the color temperature

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<v Speaker 1>of open flame, whether be it a fireplace or a

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<v Speaker 1>candle burning is eighteen hundred K. It is the magic

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<v Speaker 1>color temperature. And I say magic because at eighteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>K that dancing light decreases blood pressure, relaxes muscles. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean from the heat, I just mean from

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<v Speaker 1>your visual perception of it. You become calmer and more sociable.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from millions of years of gathering around the

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<v Speaker 1>fire with your tribe to tell stories, to eat food,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be safe at night in the dark. Fire

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<v Speaker 1>light's a limited area which creates what we would call

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<v Speaker 1>an intimacy zone. In other words, that light itself creates

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<v Speaker 1>a little zone that becomes a room unto itself. Bright flames, crackling,

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<v Speaker 1>dancing rhythmically against the dark background holds your attention and

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<v Speaker 1>they induce a state of mild hypnosis. This is true.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not just me saying this because I

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<v Speaker 1>like fire. This is the actually the results of a

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<v Speaker 1>study at the University of Alabama that hooking people's brains

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<v Speaker 1>up and monitoring them as they go a mild state

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<v Speaker 1>of hypnosis induced by staring at the bright flames of

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<v Speaker 1>a crackling fire, and when pupils dilate in soft light,

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<v Speaker 1>faces become evolutionarily more attractive, which you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a candle light dinner that is not just

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<v Speaker 1>a novelty, that is a really really good way to

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<v Speaker 1>feel sexy about the person who's sitting across the table

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<v Speaker 1>from you, large dilated pupils in eighteen hundred K candlelight.

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<v Speaker 1>So for all of these reasons and more, the fireplace

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<v Speaker 1>is something if we can keep it present, irve it

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<v Speaker 1>perfect it, utilize it, and make it work for you,

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<v Speaker 1>is worth keeping. Worth keeping. Absolutely not always in the

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<v Speaker 1>same place, which is hard news that I have to

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<v Speaker 1>break to people occasionally, but to have a fireplace in

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<v Speaker 1>your home, not necessarily to heat the house, but to

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<v Speaker 1>warm your soul, well worth it, all right. So when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, let's talk about some of the rules

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<v Speaker 1>for fireplaces, especially in the state of California, because of

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<v Speaker 1>all states, we've got the most rules in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>open wood fires and such. We'll talk about those rules,

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<v Speaker 1>those limitations, and then I'm going to start giving you

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<v Speaker 1>tips as to how to decode, interpret, and understand your

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<v Speaker 1>fireplace better. All of this and more.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty Kfi.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Jarp the House Whisper. Welcome home on this dark,

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<v Speaker 1>cool what looks to be a lovely November two, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, the first weekend in November. The weather is changing,

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<v Speaker 1>even though you know, it's not as cold as some

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<v Speaker 1>people want to be. For some of you, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you who are listening outside of southern California,

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<v Speaker 1>almost undoubtedly it is. But regardless, the weather has definitely

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<v Speaker 1>taken a turn, and many of us are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe it's time to snuggle up and start getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little cozy next to the fireplace. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>fireplaces this morning, giving you some pearls to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>fireplace that you've got in your home. All right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give you something that nobody's ever talked to

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<v Speaker 1>you about before. Right now, I'm going to help you

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<v Speaker 1>decode exactly where that fireplace really starts and stops so

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<v Speaker 1>that you could understand what your possibilities are in refacing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the majority of folks who have a fireplace in

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<v Speaker 1>their home and actually want to do something with it

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<v Speaker 1>are looking to change out the mantle, change out the

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<v Speaker 1>brickwork around the outside of the fireplace, or they've got

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<v Speaker 1>some funky stone work or some lava rock or something that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever the case may be, that they're just

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<v Speaker 1>like Hugh, I wish I could get rid of that thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the good news. You probably can't. And it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not as involved as you think. Because the fireplace itself

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<v Speaker 1>the structural fireplace, and I'm talking about a masonry fireplace.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a prefabricated fireplace, we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>in just a couple of minutes. But a structural masonry fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>one that's made out of brick and block and concrete

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. The wall line. Take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the actual wall line, not the build up of the fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>but where the wall is itself. Ninety nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>stroke uctual masonry fireplaces, the real fireplace that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to touch or mess with, starts right flush with

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<v Speaker 1>that wall line, right where your dry wall and studs are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how they were built. Now you can verify this

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. Don't have a fire burning when you

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<v Speaker 1>do this. But what you can do is grab a

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<v Speaker 1>little flashlight and get down on your hands and knees

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<v Speaker 1>and pop your head just a little bit inside that

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<v Speaker 1>firebox and look up at the very top of the firebox.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be a large piece of steel. It's usually

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<v Speaker 1>about four to six inches wide. It's an L to

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<v Speaker 1>piece of L steel L metal. You can't see the

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<v Speaker 1>L because the L is running up the wall, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can see the bottom of it. Okay, that piece

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<v Speaker 1>of steel is the lentil. The lentil. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>structural header kind of like over a doorway, because that

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<v Speaker 1>firebox is a sort of a doorway, right. That lentil

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<v Speaker 1>marks the front of it marks the beginning of the real,

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<v Speaker 1>actual structural firebox. Now what does that mean. It means

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<v Speaker 1>this everything outside that lentil into the room from the

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<v Speaker 1>front edge of that lentil forward. Everything that's there is optional.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything beyond it is a veneer. I don't care if

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like it's built like a tank out of

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<v Speaker 1>brick that runs from Florida ceiling. It is veneer, and

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<v Speaker 1>veneer means that it could all come down. It can

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<v Speaker 1>all come down in a couple of hours without touching

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<v Speaker 1>and having anything to do with the structural fireplace itself

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<v Speaker 1>or the firebox. Okay, so the edges of the firebox

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<v Speaker 1>as they wrap out towards the room at the top

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<v Speaker 1>will terminate in this lentil and where the front of

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<v Speaker 1>that steel is, that's the end of the structural firebox.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can take off relatively easily everything outside of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That usually means taking everything off and flushing it down

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, which means you can start from scratch, which

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<v Speaker 1>means you can get rid of the old mantle. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get rid of the nineteen eighties whatever that's going

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<v Speaker 1>on there, or the old broken up brick or the

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<v Speaker 1>filthy brick, and start again with other veneer. We can

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<v Speaker 1>go up with our own stone, our own tiles surround

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<v Speaker 1>the sky is the limit, and we have cleared the

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<v Speaker 1>decks for a brand new design for the front of

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<v Speaker 1>that fireplace as it relates to the decor and the

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<v Speaker 1>design inside the room. And again we are not touching

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<v Speaker 1>the structural firebox at all. Now this is doubly true

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a prefabricated fireplace, a not a masonry fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people I'm still surprised how many

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<v Speaker 1>people don't realize they have one of these. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing again, no fire in the firebox. Take a

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<v Speaker 1>look inside and you see instead of up above. Instead

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing bricks leading up into a metal damper, you

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<v Speaker 1>just see a lot of sheet metal. And the actual

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote a firebox brick line I'm using air quotes

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<v Speaker 1>for bricks, is actually three panels, a back panel and

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<v Speaker 1>two side panels that are stamped to look like bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>They're made out of a high heat concrete. They're called

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<v Speaker 1>refractory panels. And if you find that you've got oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. It jiggles a little bit when I

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<v Speaker 1>tap on it. Then what you've got there is a

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<v Speaker 1>prefabricated fireplace, which is essentially a sheet metal appliance. And

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<v Speaker 1>again with those, the rules stay just as true. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>with those you have even more options because not only

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<v Speaker 1>could you remove all the veneer that goes right to

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<v Speaker 1>the flush wall, you might even be able to create

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<v Speaker 1>some recesses in that wall above, because all that's coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of the top of that firebox there is likely

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<v Speaker 1>a ten or twelve inch stainless steel pipe that is

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<v Speaker 1>running up a flue pipe running up inside a wood

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<v Speaker 1>chase or stuccoed chimney up to the roof. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of space in there. Now, you can't touch that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't push anything combustible right up against it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can come within a couple of inches of it on

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<v Speaker 1>all sides and have lots of options when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the framing work around those fireplaces. Not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that a fireplace like that can actually be moved.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be raised, it can be lowered because it

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<v Speaker 1>weighs when you remove all the stuff around it, about

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount actually less than a gas dryer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a lightweight sheet metal appliance, and it can

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<v Speaker 1>be moved around. It can be raised up in the

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<v Speaker 1>room so it's more visible, it can be lowered, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the case may be. So there you go. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest tips for a major change of the firebox

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<v Speaker 1>and the fireplace is understanding where the real firebox stops

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<v Speaker 1>and where the veneer begins. Remember only heard it here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, We're going to pick this conversation up again,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're at the top of the hour, so when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, I'm going to take a call or two.

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