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Speaker 2: It is a Tuesday morning, October the twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: It's a Taco Tuesday.
Speaker 2: There is what happened yesterday two ballot drop boxes, one
Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, another one in Vancouver, Washington.
Speaker 1: They're right next to each other, where hundreds.
Speaker 2: Of ballots were destroyed because an incendiary device was put
Speaker 2: into the ballot box which burned all of the ballots.
Speaker 2: WHOA and one official called it a direct attack on democracy,
Speaker 2: which it is because it's throwing votes.
Speaker 1: And so this morning we had a.
Speaker 2: Conversation during one of the news breaks about was it Republicans,
Speaker 2: was it democrats?
Speaker 1: Was this political or was it just straight anarchy?
Speaker 2: And I said, I hope it is straight anarchy, because
Speaker 2: if it's straight anarchy, you just go after the bad guys,
Speaker 2: that's all. And it doesn't have political implications because I
Speaker 2: don't want political implications. Can you imagine we've reached the
Speaker 2: point now this is only three of these that have happened,
Speaker 2: but we've reached the point where now votes are being
Speaker 2: destroyed and it has gone crazy. It is nuts now
Speaker 2: Vancouver happens to be the biggest city in third congressional district.
Speaker 2: And why this may be political, it's going to be
Speaker 2: one of the closest US house races in the country.
Speaker 2: So where two things I want to point out, and
Speaker 2: one of them something I didn't know at all, and
Speaker 2: that is, in anticipation of these ballot boxes and the
Speaker 2: ballots inside them being destroyed, there are actually fires depression.
Speaker 1: Systems in the box.
Speaker 2: Where if a temperature is reached a lah a fire starts.
Speaker 2: It's an automatic sprinkler system in there, except it's not water,
Speaker 2: it's a chemical. It's a powder that covers up the ballots.
Speaker 2: You can still count them, and that suppresses the fire.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, in one of the
Speaker 2: ballot boxes in which fire was detected and the fire
Speaker 2: suppression system in fact was effective, only three ballots were damaged,
Speaker 2: not even destroyed, just damaged. And the officials were able
Speaker 2: to figure out very quickly who voted, which of those
Speaker 2: ballots belonged to which voter, and it was very easy
Speaker 2: to simply contact those voters and say here, vote again. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the anarchy part, right, someone just goes in and
Speaker 2: it is a prank, but a criminal prank. It is
Speaker 2: a prank in which our very democracy is attacked. Now
Speaker 2: comes the politics. Can this be political? Yeah, unfortunately you can.
Speaker 2: And that brings in the fight that we're having across
Speaker 2: the country in terms of the presidential election, in terms
Speaker 2: of the lawsuits that are filed or.
Speaker 1: Will be filed. And let me take a.
Speaker 2: Break, and I'm going to explain that, because if it
Speaker 2: is political, then the issue becomes which side is attacking
Speaker 2: the ballot boxes, which side has a bigger interest in
Speaker 2: invalidating the votes that go into the ballot box. And
Speaker 2: what are the lawsuits about, and which states have them
Speaker 2: and don't have them? And the changes that the states
Speaker 2: are in fact entering into incurring because of the fear
Speaker 2: of the ballot boxes in and of themselves are an
Speaker 2: attack on democracy. The story of these drop boxes, one
Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, one right across the river in Vancouver, Washington,
Speaker 2: and three drop boxes were fried. An ignition device on
Speaker 2: scendiary device was thrown in the drop box, dropped in there,
Speaker 2: and fire started. Now in two cases, the fire suppression
Speaker 2: system inside the box shut it down. Where you only
Speaker 2: had slightly damaged ballots that were easily figured out as
Speaker 2: to who did it, as to who voted in one
Speaker 2: it was destroyed and all the votes were gone, all
Speaker 2: the ballots were gone.
Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, I hope it was just.
Speaker 2: Straight on anarchists who wanted to screw things up, just
Speaker 2: wanted to screw grew up the election and weren't politically motivated.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem with drop boxes, and this is why
Speaker 2: we go if there is a political motivation, which side goes.
Speaker 2: Drop Boxes have been part of the conspiracy theory conspiracy
Speaker 2: theories that have gone just rampant since the last election
Speaker 2: when Donald Trump lost. Part of the rigged election has
Speaker 2: to do with drop boxes, and that is this harvesting.
Speaker 1: People can collect these votes.
Speaker 2: For example, let's say I can't go to vote at
Speaker 2: the at the polling booth and at the same time,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I'm not mailing the ballot. Well, those
Speaker 2: people tend to be Democrats. People that just don't vote
Speaker 2: by mail and don't vote to the voting booth, they
Speaker 2: tend to be Democrats. There are people that don't have
Speaker 2: the wherewithal. They are folks that don't have the money
Speaker 2: or they don't have transportation.
Speaker 1: And so you've got these.
Speaker 2: Therefore, if they are, if drop boxes are used, then
Speaker 2: it is primarily Democrats who are using drop boxes, poor
Speaker 2: disenfranchised Democrats. Well, Republicans don't like that because Democrats use
Speaker 2: drop boxes more. As a matter of fact, Republicans who
Speaker 2: vote on the day of the election. Far more Republicans
Speaker 2: vote that day.
Speaker 1: Than do Democrats.
Speaker 2: And this is one of the reasons the conspiracy theorists
Speaker 2: and even Donald Trump has said, we only count votes
Speaker 2: that day. We don't count votes afterwards, we don't count votes.
Speaker 2: He hates early voting because that's rampant for fraud.
Speaker 1: Early voting meets fraud.
Speaker 2: And it is the Democrats who like drop boxes because
Speaker 2: anything that makes it easier to vote, the Democrats push anything,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Matter what it is.
Speaker 2: Why because there are more Democrats registered Democrats than are
Speaker 2: Republicans in the United States.
Speaker 1: So that fight continues.
Speaker 2: So what happens now, Well, let me tell you about
Speaker 2: the states that no longer use dropboxes. Six states have
Speaker 2: banned them since the twenty twenty election. Southern states Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri,
Speaker 2: North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota is north, but it
Speaker 2: might as well be South in terms of its politics.
Speaker 2: The other states have restricted their use, including Ohio and Iowa.
Speaker 2: And we do know that the two fires on Monday
Speaker 2: were connected, and then the was an October eighth fire
Speaker 2: that also was connected. So this is going to be
Speaker 2: one of the lawsuits that is going to be filed
Speaker 2: that the drop boxes in and themselves are rampant fraud machines,
Speaker 2: and lawsuits have already been.
Speaker 1: Filed saying that they this is not election.
Speaker 2: Putting votes into a drop box is not mailing votes
Speaker 2: directly to the polling counting the counting facilities, and that's
Speaker 2: the argument.
Speaker 1: And we don't know which way they're going to go.
Speaker 1: So far.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty election, as bitter as it was and
Speaker 2: is conspiracy theory is conspiracy the theory argument that it
Speaker 2: has democracy actually worked. The guardrails were there. The courts
Speaker 2: backed up, the courts ended up what's the word I'm
Speaker 2: looking for here, the validity. The courts backed up the
Speaker 2: validity of the validity of those votes. Even though there
Speaker 2: were sixty four lawsuits that were filed to invalidate the
Speaker 2: votes in various counties in various states, sixty four and
Speaker 2: all of the votes were certified, all of the votes
Speaker 2: were counted.
Speaker 1: Which is it going to happen this time? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: There have already been one hundred lawsuits filed, over one
Speaker 2: hundred as of today, to invalidate certain ways of voting,
Speaker 2: invalidate drop boxes where they are, invalidate the way votes
Speaker 2: are counted, invalidate the way votes are certified. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: it is the Republicans that are doing that. And I
Speaker 2: know I attack the Republicans a lot. And here's the
Speaker 2: reason I attack the Republicans is because unfortunately the conspiracy theories,
Speaker 2: theories and theorists have taken over that party. That's the
Speaker 2: shame of it is we no longer regard our election
Speaker 2: system as free. That's the problem. Too many people simply don't.
Speaker 2: And I want to know, And this is the question
Speaker 2: I have. If Kamala Harris loses, which I think there's
Speaker 2: an excellent chance, are we going to see lawsuits on
Speaker 2: the other side attacking the election?
Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2: If there are lawsuits, certainly not going to be hundreds
Speaker 2: of them, where there will be hundreds if Donald Trump loses.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go back to my original premise
Speaker 2: even though Republicans tend to do better if there are
Speaker 2: no drop boxes, and Democrats tend to do better if
Speaker 2: there are drop boxes, and that is simply putting your
Speaker 2: vote or someone putting your votes like a mailbox, someone
Speaker 2: putting your vote in there.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping, hoping that it was just some crazy anarchists
Speaker 1: that wants to just.
Speaker 2: Screw up our election process and the politics of it
Speaker 2: are are gone.
Speaker 1: I hope that that's the case. And now we're not
Speaker 1: going to know.
Speaker 2: Probably there's a video of a Volvo that was pulled
Speaker 2: up to a drop box and someone unidentified came up
Speaker 2: and put the insidiary device, and they don't know who
Speaker 2: it is, and maybe they'll find out.
Speaker 1: The investigation is going crazy. Okay, we're done with that.
Speaker 2: We're done with politics, and I know I'm just going
Speaker 2: to the ground on this one, you know, and beating
Speaker 2: a dead.
Speaker 1: Horse and a live horse and a horse.
Speaker 2: That should be fine, all right, and I'll be it
Speaker 2: all it ends, it ends next Tuesday. Okay, you don't
Speaker 2: have to hear from me after next Tuesday. Now, let's
Speaker 2: have fun. Halloween's coming up on Thursday, Neil, You're joining me,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throw you some stories, myth or not,
Speaker 2: and we start with you know, I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 2: what you are doing for Halloween in terms of trick
Speaker 2: or treating home. I hate Halloween. I hate giving out candy.
Speaker 2: I always turn the porch light off. I go in
Speaker 2: the back so no one is home.
Speaker 1: Also with the kids. You know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I used to go on my own.
Speaker 2: I'd go with a friend or my brother and we
Speaker 2: go out and trick or treat. Today, I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all helicopter parenting. I remember when my
Speaker 2: kids were six and it was time for trick or treating.
Speaker 2: I'd go, all right, it's five thirty now, we'll see
Speaker 2: you in a couple of hours. All right, dad, we're
Speaker 2: only six. I don't care go trick or treating.
Speaker 1: Leave me alone. It's a very different world today, Neil,
Speaker 1: What are you doing for What are you doing for Halloween?
Speaker 3: I do what I normally do.
Speaker 4: I usually decorate a little bit in the front yard
Speaker 4: and have family over and we sit on the front
Speaker 4: porch and hang out and pass out candy.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 4: My wife and my boy go locally and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: because we do a lot of different things. We go
Speaker 4: to Disneyland to do theirs thing earlier in the month,
Speaker 4: and so you have he has a lot and he's
Speaker 4: not a big, big, sweet kid.
Speaker 1: That's so nice of you to do that. That's just
Speaker 1: really terrific. Good for you.
Speaker 4: Okay, nice, Yes, I see it's bringing out your smiley side.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: I do. I love I love Halloween.
Speaker 1: All right, Amy, what do you do.
Speaker 5: Well this year? I'm going to be sleepy because you.
Speaker 1: Know, so, what do you do? Kids knocking on the door?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't there's no kids. There's no kids in
Speaker 5: my neighborhood, in my old neighborhood. I loved it. I
Speaker 5: loved handing out candy and sometimes door.
Speaker 1: It's it's ringing the doorbell all night long.
Speaker 5: Well only till about eight o'clock.
Speaker 6: And the kids are adorable and they're cute, and most
Speaker 6: of the parents are nice. Yeah, it's fun and it's
Speaker 6: fun to see the costumes and we usually have a
Speaker 6: little party and maybe maybe a cocktail or five.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's sweet too. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 5: I know, right, it's sooper fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wonderful. It's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Uh, Cono, I know you have a hard time affording candy.
Speaker 1: But what do you do?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do actually, so go to my brothers who
Speaker 7: doesn't have a hard time a footing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is a trick or treat opening the door
Speaker 2: forty six times a night?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, he actually does.
Speaker 7: At the end of his driveway, they put out a
Speaker 7: table and then the kids can come up because it's
Speaker 7: like a whole neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Okay, but so, but no one is manning the table right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: Sometimes when we get bored, but we kind of just
Speaker 7: walk around. The parents have drinks and then the kids
Speaker 7: go out and go to the door.
Speaker 3: Kno, is still trick or treat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's good. And what do you do
Speaker 1: treating night?
Speaker 5: We we do a whole thing. We decorate the house.
Speaker 5: But then we definitely hand out lots and lots of candy,
Speaker 5: like one hundred dollars worth of cannon we have to
Speaker 5: buy every year.
Speaker 3: Wow wow wow.
Speaker 2: Now some years, I mean most of the time, you know,
Speaker 2: the porch light is off and I'm gone. But I
Speaker 2: have in the past just taken out a bowl of
Speaker 2: candy and just put it on the front porch and.
Speaker 1: Just say, basically set up.
Speaker 2: The honor system and just a little note that says,
Speaker 2: this is for everybody in the neighborhood. For the first kids,
Speaker 2: please take all the candy and screw the kids that
Speaker 2: are coming after you.
Speaker 1: And it has worked every single.
Speaker 4: Time, Bill hand open, enjoy to the neighborhood. Yeah, one
Speaker 4: fat child at a time.
Speaker 1: That's true. All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: We're going to continue on because I may have to
Speaker 2: do this on Halloween too, or tomorrow because the the
Speaker 2: drugs or the poisons in the suite. So I'll start
Speaker 2: this because this is fairly long. And there are a
Speaker 2: lot of myths, urban myths, and are they based in
Speaker 2: reality or are they just crazy myths? And so Neil,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw those at you and you tell me, ah, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a basis for that, or no, that's just crazy,
Speaker 2: and that's an urban myth that has been around for
Speaker 2: eighty years or longer, Neil, True or not true?
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Before we do that, I just
Speaker 1: want to point something out. You tell your kids not
Speaker 1: to talk.
Speaker 2: To strangers, right, Neil, Well, of course, okay, And then
Speaker 2: they go out and you're taking your kid around the
Speaker 2: neighborhood knocking on doors and they're getting candy from strangers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so here eat this thing that someone you don't
Speaker 4: know just gave you. Yeah, kind of a slap in
Speaker 4: the face of the admonition you gave prior. But it
Speaker 4: is part of Halloween. And although there are different structures
Speaker 4: to Halloween now than when I was a kid, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of block parties, a lot of things where
Speaker 4: they control that you can go to certain malls or
Speaker 4: certain areas that have a controlled environment for kids to
Speaker 4: trick or treat.
Speaker 3: The still the age old going door to door.
Speaker 4: Is out there, and with it comes every single year
Speaker 4: the talk of the poisoned candy, the okay, you know,
Speaker 4: needles in a candy, and these types of things that
Speaker 4: continue over and over every single year.
Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, poison candy to kids? Is there
Speaker 1: a basis?
Speaker 2: Are there real cases in which poison candy was handed
Speaker 2: out to kids?
Speaker 4: There are some cases, but interestingly enough, the vast majority
Speaker 4: of cases where probably a lot of these you know
Speaker 4: tales come from, were family members.
Speaker 3: Yes, ruesome, and they go back very old.
Speaker 4: There was one in nineteen seventy four, an eight year
Speaker 4: old Timothy O'Brien. He was from Texas. He died after
Speaker 4: eating Halloween candy laced with cyanide. So the police, doing
Speaker 4: their due diligence obviously and investigating, discovered that the culprit
Speaker 4: was the kid's father. He poisoned his son in order
Speaker 4: to claim the life insurance money. So he was later convicted.
Speaker 4: They nicknamed him the candy Man, but he was executed
Speaker 4: for murder in nineteen eighty four. There so some of
Speaker 4: these have some root in these stories. So you have
Speaker 4: two types. Back when I was growing, they were complete
Speaker 4: you know, misrepresentations of a story like this or complete
Speaker 4: fabrications where where because you didn't have the internet.
Speaker 3: Now, on the Internet, you can back.
Speaker 4: Up these false stories with photoshopped images or things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that is the problem because you know,
Speaker 2: it's conspiracy theory time and just taken to a level
Speaker 2: of poison candy. I mean, there was a case, okay
Speaker 2: two thousand, a case forty nine year old James Joseph
Speaker 2: Smith charged with concealing needles in chocolate bars.
Speaker 1: He actually did.
Speaker 4: Conceal needles razor blade, I know, but there are things
Speaker 4: like that, But the razor blade in the apples, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That one is difficult. How do you do that? That's
Speaker 2: a tough one theories.
Speaker 4: All these theories are based on what could you do
Speaker 4: to a package or an item you're gonna eat that
Speaker 4: would be concealing itself. Now, if you use the razor blades,
Speaker 4: not just the cutting blades, but the original one would
Speaker 4: double back to back razors, it'd be tough to push
Speaker 4: it in there, but they're very thin, so the assumption
Speaker 4: would be you wouldn't be able to see it. But
Speaker 4: I've done these stories since the beginning of the four
Speaker 4: Report fourteen years ago or more, and I've never been
Speaker 4: able to find any consistent story of things like that
Speaker 4: where there was a widespread, you know, act like this,
Speaker 4: and they usually are just rumors, and you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: I've talked to Amy King about this and she said
Speaker 4: her father used to check her candy and he, if
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, Amy, he was a fan of butterfinger
Speaker 4: and he'd say, yeah, this one.
Speaker 3: Looks like it's poisoned or whatever. It would take them.
Speaker 4: And they think that's part of what has perpetuated these
Speaker 4: things is that parents kind of use it as an
Speaker 4: excuse to call the good stuff out of the bag.
Speaker 2: I would I would do that, although you know the
Speaker 2: trick or treating. Well, it depends on the neighborhood. I
Speaker 2: grew up in a relatively poor, sort of lower middle
Speaker 2: class neighborhood. And so the candy we would get are
Speaker 2: you know, the little hard candies that are wrapped up
Speaker 2: and you buy them in bulk and you get two
Speaker 2: or three, and then occasionally people would give out these
Speaker 2: the many candy bars.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did we score on that.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what's funny is I tend to like
Speaker 4: that stuff and that's what I end up getting. But
Speaker 4: that's not as popular anymore.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: It's the nerds hard candies and the.
Speaker 1: Those are all right, we're done, guys.
Speaker 2: We'll pick this up because we had a whole week
Speaker 2: to deal with this Halloween being Thursday. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: tomorrow tomorrow we start this all over again. Amy, wake up, call,
Speaker 2: Neil and I jump aboard. We're here till nine. Cono
Speaker 2: and and a part of the show. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what they do, but they're part of the show.
Speaker 2: And so you have a good one until tomorrow. Kf
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Speaker 3: Oh news without this.
Speaker 1: Never mind, I thought we were gonna do phone calls.
Speaker 1: You know what. Now, we'll pick it up on Thursday.
Speaker 1: You know what's smooth? I know, you know it. No,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me do this, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: taking phone calls. Let's do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you have a legal question, I'm going
Speaker 2: to take phone calls after the show in two minutes.
Speaker 2: And this is off the air, So if you want
Speaker 2: to ask me a legal question, we can do this
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