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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty and this is KFI bill Handle here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Tuesday morning, October the twenty ninth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Taco Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>There is what happened yesterday two ballot drop boxes, one

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<v Speaker 2>in Portland, Oregon, another one in Vancouver, Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>They're right next to each other, where hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>Of ballots were destroyed because an incendiary device was put

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<v Speaker 2>into the ballot box which burned all of the ballots.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA and one official called it a direct attack on democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>which it is because it's throwing votes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this morning we had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversation during one of the news breaks about was it Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>was it democrats?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this political or was it just straight anarchy?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I hope it is straight anarchy, because

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<v Speaker 2>if it's straight anarchy, you just go after the bad guys,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all. And it doesn't have political implications because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want political implications. Can you imagine we've reached the

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<v Speaker 2>point now this is only three of these that have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've reached the point where now votes are being

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed and it has gone crazy. It is nuts now

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<v Speaker 2>Vancouver happens to be the biggest city in third congressional district.

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<v Speaker 2>And why this may be political, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the closest US house races in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>So where two things I want to point out, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of them something I didn't know at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is, in anticipation of these ballot boxes and the

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<v Speaker 2>ballots inside them being destroyed, there are actually fires depression.

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<v Speaker 1>Systems in the box.

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<v Speaker 2>Where if a temperature is reached a lah a fire starts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an automatic sprinkler system in there, except it's not water,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a chemical. It's a powder that covers up the ballots.

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<v Speaker 2>You can still count them, and that suppresses the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a matter of fact, in one of the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot boxes in which fire was detected and the fire

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<v Speaker 2>suppression system in fact was effective, only three ballots were damaged,

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<v Speaker 2>not even destroyed, just damaged. And the officials were able

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out very quickly who voted, which of those

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<v Speaker 2>ballots belonged to which voter, and it was very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to simply contact those voters and say here, vote again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the anarchy part, right, someone just goes in and

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<v Speaker 2>it is a prank, but a criminal prank. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a prank in which our very democracy is attacked. Now

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<v Speaker 2>comes the politics. Can this be political? Yeah, unfortunately you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And that brings in the fight that we're having across

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<v Speaker 2>the country in terms of the presidential election, in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the lawsuits that are filed or.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be filed. And let me take a.

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<v Speaker 2>Break, and I'm going to explain that, because if it

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<v Speaker 2>is political, then the issue becomes which side is attacking

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<v Speaker 2>the ballot boxes, which side has a bigger interest in

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<v Speaker 2>invalidating the votes that go into the ballot box. And

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<v Speaker 2>what are the lawsuits about, and which states have them

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<v Speaker 2>and don't have them? And the changes that the states

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<v Speaker 2>are in fact entering into incurring because of the fear

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<v Speaker 2>of the ballot boxes in and of themselves are an

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<v Speaker 2>attack on democracy. The story of these drop boxes, one

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<v Speaker 2>in Portland, Oregon, one right across the river in Vancouver, Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and three drop boxes were fried. An ignition device on

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<v Speaker 2>scendiary device was thrown in the drop box, dropped in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and fire started. Now in two cases, the fire suppression

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<v Speaker 2>system inside the box shut it down. Where you only

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<v Speaker 2>had slightly damaged ballots that were easily figured out as

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<v Speaker 2>to who did it, as to who voted in one

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<v Speaker 2>it was destroyed and all the votes were gone, all

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<v Speaker 2>the ballots were gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said earlier, I hope it was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight on anarchists who wanted to screw things up, just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to screw grew up the election and weren't politically motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the problem with drop boxes, and this is why

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<v Speaker 2>we go if there is a political motivation, which side goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Drop Boxes have been part of the conspiracy theory conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>theories that have gone just rampant since the last election

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<v Speaker 2>when Donald Trump lost. Part of the rigged election has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with drop boxes, and that is this harvesting.

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<v Speaker 1>People can collect these votes.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, let's say I can't go to vote at

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<v Speaker 2>the at the polling booth and at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, I'm not mailing the ballot. Well, those

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<v Speaker 2>people tend to be Democrats. People that just don't vote

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<v Speaker 2>by mail and don't vote to the voting booth, they

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be Democrats. There are people that don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the wherewithal. They are folks that don't have the money

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<v Speaker 2>or they don't have transportation.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you've got these.

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<v Speaker 2>Therefore, if they are, if drop boxes are used, then

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<v Speaker 2>it is primarily Democrats who are using drop boxes, poor

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<v Speaker 2>disenfranchised Democrats. Well, Republicans don't like that because Democrats use

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<v Speaker 2>drop boxes more. As a matter of fact, Republicans who

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<v Speaker 2>vote on the day of the election. Far more Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>vote that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Than do Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of the reasons the conspiracy theorists

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<v Speaker 2>and even Donald Trump has said, we only count votes

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<v Speaker 2>that day. We don't count votes afterwards, we don't count votes.

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<v Speaker 2>He hates early voting because that's rampant for fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Early voting meets fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is the Democrats who like drop boxes because

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<v Speaker 2>anything that makes it easier to vote, the Democrats push anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because there are more Democrats registered Democrats than are

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So that fight continues.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens now, Well, let me tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>the states that no longer use dropboxes. Six states have

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<v Speaker 2>banned them since the twenty twenty election. Southern states Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota is north, but it

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<v Speaker 2>might as well be South in terms of its politics.

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<v Speaker 2>The other states have restricted their use, including Ohio and Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>And we do know that the two fires on Monday

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<v Speaker 2>were connected, and then the was an October eighth fire

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<v Speaker 2>that also was connected. So this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the lawsuits that is going to be filed

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<v Speaker 2>that the drop boxes in and themselves are rampant fraud machines,

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<v Speaker 2>and lawsuits have already been.

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<v Speaker 1>Filed saying that they this is not election.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting votes into a drop box is not mailing votes

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<v Speaker 2>directly to the polling counting the counting facilities, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the argument.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know which way they're going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So far.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty twenty election, as bitter as it was and

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<v Speaker 2>is conspiracy theory is conspiracy the theory argument that it

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<v Speaker 2>has democracy actually worked. The guardrails were there. The courts

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<v Speaker 2>backed up, the courts ended up what's the word I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking for here, the validity. The courts backed up the

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<v Speaker 2>validity of the validity of those votes. Even though there

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<v Speaker 2>were sixty four lawsuits that were filed to invalidate the

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<v Speaker 2>votes in various counties in various states, sixty four and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the votes were certified, all of the votes

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<v Speaker 2>were counted.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is it going to happen this time? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There have already been one hundred lawsuits filed, over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred as of today, to invalidate certain ways of voting,

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<v Speaker 2>invalidate drop boxes where they are, invalidate the way votes

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<v Speaker 2>are counted, invalidate the way votes are certified. And unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>it is the Republicans that are doing that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know I attack the Republicans a lot. And here's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I attack the Republicans is because unfortunately the conspiracy theories,

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<v Speaker 2>theories and theorists have taken over that party. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>shame of it is we no longer regard our election

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<v Speaker 2>system as free. That's the problem. Too many people simply don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to know, And this is the question

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<v Speaker 2>I have. If Kamala Harris loses, which I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent chance, are we going to see lawsuits on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side attacking the election?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>If there are lawsuits, certainly not going to be hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of them, where there will be hundreds if Donald Trump loses.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to go back to my original premise

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<v Speaker 2>even though Republicans tend to do better if there are

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<v Speaker 2>no drop boxes, and Democrats tend to do better if

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<v Speaker 2>there are drop boxes, and that is simply putting your

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<v Speaker 2>vote or someone putting your votes like a mailbox, someone

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<v Speaker 2>putting your vote in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping, hoping that it was just some crazy anarchists

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to just.

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<v Speaker 2>Screw up our election process and the politics of it

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<v Speaker 2>are are gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that that's the case. And now we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably there's a video of a Volvo that was pulled

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<v Speaker 2>up to a drop box and someone unidentified came up

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<v Speaker 2>and put the insidiary device, and they don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and maybe they'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation is going crazy. Okay, we're done with that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're done with politics, and I know I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to the ground on this one, you know, and beating

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<v Speaker 2>a dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Horse and a live horse and a horse.

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<v Speaker 2>That should be fine, all right, and I'll be it

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<v Speaker 2>all it ends, it ends next Tuesday. Okay, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to hear from me after next Tuesday. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>have fun. Halloween's coming up on Thursday, Neil, You're joining me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna throw you some stories, myth or not,

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<v Speaker 2>and we start with you know, I'm gonna ask you

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<v Speaker 2>what you are doing for Halloween in terms of trick

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<v Speaker 2>or treating home. I hate Halloween. I hate giving out candy.

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<v Speaker 2>I always turn the porch light off. I go in

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<v Speaker 2>the back so no one is home.

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<v Speaker 1>Also with the kids. You know, when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to go on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go with a friend or my brother and we

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<v Speaker 2>go out and trick or treat. Today, I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's all helicopter parenting. I remember when my

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<v Speaker 2>kids were six and it was time for trick or treating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go, all right, it's five thirty now, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you in a couple of hours. All right, dad, we're

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<v Speaker 2>only six. I don't care go trick or treating.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave me alone. It's a very different world today, Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing for What are you doing for Halloween?

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<v Speaker 3>I do what I normally do.

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<v Speaker 4>I usually decorate a little bit in the front yard

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<v Speaker 4>and have family over and we sit on the front

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<v Speaker 4>porch and hang out and pass out candy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then.

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<v Speaker 4>My wife and my boy go locally and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because we do a lot of different things. We go

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<v Speaker 4>to Disneyland to do theirs thing earlier in the month,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you have he has a lot and he's

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<v Speaker 4>not a big, big, sweet kid.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so nice of you to do that. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>really terrific. Good for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, nice, Yes, I see it's bringing out your smiley side.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I love I love Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Amy, what do you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Well this year? I'm going to be sleepy because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, so, what do you do? Kids knocking on the door?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't there's no kids. There's no kids in

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<v Speaker 5>loved handing out candy and sometimes door.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's ringing the doorbell all night long.

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<v Speaker 5>Well only till about eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 6>fun to see the costumes and we usually have a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's sweet too. Yeah, it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, right, it's sooper fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Cono, I know you have a hard time affording candy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and is a trick or treat opening the door

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<v Speaker 7>At the end of his driveway, they put out a

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but so, but no one is manning the table right.

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<v Speaker 7>Sometimes when we get bored, but we kind of just

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<v Speaker 3>Kno, is still trick or treat?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know that's good. And what do you do

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<v Speaker 1>treating night?

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<v Speaker 5>We we do a whole thing. We decorate the house.

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<v Speaker 5>But then we definitely hand out lots and lots of candy,

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<v Speaker 5>like one hundred dollars worth of cannon we have to

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<v Speaker 2>Now some years, I mean most of the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the porch light is off and I'm gone. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have in the past just taken out a bowl of

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<v Speaker 1>Just say, basically set up.

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<v Speaker 2>The honor system and just a little note that says,

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<v Speaker 2>this is for everybody in the neighborhood. For the first kids,

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<v Speaker 2>please take all the candy and screw the kids that

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<v Speaker 1>And it has worked every single.

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<v Speaker 4>Time, Bill hand open, enjoy to the neighborhood. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 4>fat child at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. All right, let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to continue on because I may have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this on Halloween too, or tomorrow because the the

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<v Speaker 2>drugs or the poisons in the suite. So I'll start

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<v Speaker 2>this because this is fairly long. And there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of myths, urban myths, and are they based in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw those at you and you tell me, ah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a basis for that, or no, that's just crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's an urban myth that has been around for

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years or longer, Neil, True or not true?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here we go. Before we do that, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to point something out. You tell your kids not

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<v Speaker 2>To strangers, right, Neil, Well, of course, okay, And then

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<v Speaker 2>they go out and you're taking your kid around the

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood knocking on doors and they're getting candy from strangers.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so here eat this thing that someone you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know just gave you. Yeah, kind of a slap in

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<v Speaker 4>the face of the admonition you gave prior. But it

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<v Speaker 4>is part of Halloween. And although there are different structures

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<v Speaker 4>to Halloween now than when I was a kid, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of block parties, a lot of things where

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<v Speaker 4>they control that you can go to certain malls or

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<v Speaker 3>The still the age old going door to door.

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<v Speaker 4>Is out there, and with it comes every single year

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<v Speaker 4>the talk of the poisoned candy, the okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>needles in a candy, and these types of things that

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<v Speaker 4>continue over and over every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, uh, poison candy to kids? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>Are there real cases in which poison candy was handed

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<v Speaker 2>out to kids?

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<v Speaker 4>There are some cases, but interestingly enough, the vast majority

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<v Speaker 4>of cases where probably a lot of these you know

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<v Speaker 4>tales come from, were family members.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, ruesome, and they go back very old.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one in nineteen seventy four, an eight year

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<v Speaker 4>old Timothy O'Brien. He was from Texas. He died after

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<v Speaker 4>eating Halloween candy laced with cyanide. So the police, doing

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<v Speaker 4>their due diligence obviously and investigating, discovered that the culprit

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<v Speaker 4>was the kid's father. He poisoned his son in order

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<v Speaker 4>to claim the life insurance money. So he was later convicted.

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<v Speaker 4>They nicknamed him the candy Man, but he was executed

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<v Speaker 4>for murder in nineteen eighty four. There so some of

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<v Speaker 4>these have some root in these stories. So you have

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<v Speaker 4>two types. Back when I was growing, they were complete

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<v Speaker 4>you know, misrepresentations of a story like this or complete

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<v Speaker 4>fabrications where where because you didn't have the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, on the Internet, you can back.

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<v Speaker 4>Up these false stories with photoshopped images or things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's and that is the problem because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's conspiracy theory time and just taken to a level

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<v Speaker 2>of poison candy. I mean, there was a case, okay

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand, a case forty nine year old James Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>Smith charged with concealing needles in chocolate bars.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually did.

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<v Speaker 4>Conceal needles razor blade, I know, but there are things

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<v Speaker 4>like that, But the razor blade in the apples, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That one is difficult. How do you do that? That's

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<v Speaker 2>a tough one theories.

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<v Speaker 4>All these theories are based on what could you do

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<v Speaker 4>to a package or an item you're gonna eat that

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<v Speaker 4>would be concealing itself. Now, if you use the razor blades,

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<v Speaker 4>not just the cutting blades, but the original one would

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<v Speaker 4>double back to back razors, it'd be tough to push

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<v Speaker 4>it in there, but they're very thin, so the assumption

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<v Speaker 4>would be you wouldn't be able to see it. But

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<v Speaker 4>I've done these stories since the beginning of the four

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<v Speaker 4>Report fourteen years ago or more, and I've never been

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<v Speaker 4>able to find any consistent story of things like that

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<v Speaker 4>where there was a widespread, you know, act like this,

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<v Speaker 4>and they usually are just rumors, and you know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I've talked to Amy King about this and she said

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<v Speaker 4>her father used to check her candy and he, if

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<v Speaker 4>I remember correctly, Amy, he was a fan of butterfinger

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<v Speaker 4>and he'd say, yeah, this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like it's poisoned or whatever. It would take them.

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<v Speaker 4>And they think that's part of what has perpetuated these

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<v Speaker 4>things is that parents kind of use it as an

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would do that, although you know the

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<v Speaker 2>trick or treating. Well, it depends on the neighborhood. I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in a relatively poor, sort of lower middle

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<v Speaker 2>class neighborhood. And so the candy we would get are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the little hard candies that are wrapped up

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<v Speaker 2>and you buy them in bulk and you get two

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<v Speaker 2>or three, and then occasionally people would give out these

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, did we score on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know what's funny is I tend to like

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff and that's what I end up getting. But

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<v Speaker 4>that's not as popular anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the nerds hard candies and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all right, we're done, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll pick this up because we had a whole week

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with this Halloween being Thursday. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow tomorrow we start this all over again. Amy, wake up, call,

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<v Speaker 2>Neil and I jump aboard. We're here till nine. Cono

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<v Speaker 2>and and a part of the show. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they do, but they're part of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you have a good one until tomorrow. Kf

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<v Speaker 2>I am six forty eight live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh news without this.

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<v Speaker 1>Never mind, I thought we were gonna do phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. Now, we'll pick it up on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's smooth? I know, you know it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let me do this, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking phone calls. Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if you have a legal question, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to take phone calls after the show in two minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is off the air, So if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask me a legal question, we can do this

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<v Speaker 2>real quickly. Eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty Saturday, I

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<v Speaker 2>was almost jammed, so you have a chance to ask

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<v Speaker 2>me questions and I do them very quickly. No breaks,

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<v Speaker 2>no commercials, no traffic, weather off the air, and no

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<v Speaker 2>no no patience. All right, thank you guys. Eight seven

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