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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious podcast D. Today we are going to continue this

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three parter and we're going to go track by track

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through Usual Illusion two.

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Speaker 2: We okay, everybody, we are recording on the thirtieth anniversary

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of the day that User Illusion one and two were released.

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How mind blowing is that. I realized that you guys

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aren't going to hear it for a few days. But

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mind blown. We are recording thirty years to the day

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that people went out and bought these things in swarms.

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Speaker 1: There's no way these albums are thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: Thirty years old, I'm afraid.

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Speaker 1: Today is September seventeenth, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I am really pumped. I hesitate to say since we

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haven't given final judgment yet, but I am not surprised

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by the fact that this album outsold Use Your Illusion

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one whenever they were first released.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's not just because of the Terminator song.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, No, there are a ton of great songs

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on this one. I can't wait to get into it.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that we got these two albums based on

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where the band was. I mean, they were in drug

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problems and reab trouble and Steven Adler's fired and axles

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off the rails.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this kind of brings something else up. You know.

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Dayton Johnson is one of the guys who is on

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a Film by podcast. If you guys haven't checked out

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the Film By podcast, go check those guys out. Dayton

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helps them out. They're doing a all the movies of

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nineteen eighty six basically, and he's on those episodes. That's

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a lot fun. And he's just gotten a new podcast himself.

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It's called Docking Base seventy seven. Go check that one out.

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But he hit us up after he listened to our

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Metallica episode and we're comparing Metallica and Guns N' Roses

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ninety one albums here, and he said, just finished with Metallica.

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He told me some stuff I did know, which is

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that they were in that little roach motel that they

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were staying in when they were recording. They were staying

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with Anthrax. But something I didn't know, the band Anthraxx, Yes,

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the band Anthracs, not the disease. He said that they

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actually had contemplated firing Lars right around the time that

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Cliff Burton died and had Cliff not died, Lars might

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not have been a member of the band. That's past

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that point.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about.

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Speaker 2: I know I had no idea, but that is fantastic.

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Before we get going, I just have to say I

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was listening to our last episode and I heard our

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Manskate dad, and I was thinking, Okay, this is getting

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a little old and crusty. You know, it's getting a

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little old and crusty. That's my yard.

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Speaker 1: The yard of the.

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Speaker 2: Summer is winding down, and my yard needs to be mode.

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We're getting a little out of control in some areas.

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Some bushes need to be hedged back, some lawnmowing needs

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to be done, some weed whacking needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what. I like my lawn mode and trim.

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Speaker 2: My tree always looks taller. Whenever I cut my grass shorter.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me. We've got this new product that we

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want to talk to you about. It's called the lawnmower

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and the weed whacker for Manskate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lawnmower four point zero. For the other things that

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might be a little bit old and crusty on you

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right now, let's trim those things up. In addition to mowing.

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You probably also need to put some conditioning on your

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other parts that are mode and so there are products

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that they have that make things smooth and comfortable there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you we're starting football season. You know

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what Tom Brady takes care of every week his balls.

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Tom Brady makes sure his balls are in shipshape.

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your nose or in your ears, they have got the

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Speaker 1: Whack it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Another guy who is a big supporter of ours

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is David Wright. He's an author and an outstanding source

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of suggestions and information on some of the episodes that

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we've done. He encouraged us to watch Southern Comfort, which

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we brought up in the Aliens episodes, which I'm guessing

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he's going through right now Aliens Versus Terminator, versus Alien

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Versus Terminator two. All that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a great episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys should go check that out. But then

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he gave us a ton of suggestions. Let me just

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throw some of these out here. War Games versus Tron

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Great Love It Last, Starfighter versus Flight to the Navigator.

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I think that was one of our original matchups that

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we still haven't done it together yet. Dead Poets Society

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versus School Ties, Rob Stoker's Dragula versus Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.

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But one of the best ones we were supposed to

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do this year is Hoosier's versus Rudy, both of them

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by the same writing directing team. Hoosier is going to

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be thirty five this year, and so it would have

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been a great year to do it, but we'll just

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have to take it up whenever, you know, whenever Rudy

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has an anniversary. And then he had one which we've

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talked about doing. Fight Club versus Seven. Yes, he suggested

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fight Club versus the Sixth Sense, which twist ending great

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idea great man there. I don't know which of those

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two matchups would be better.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, So that's a really good one as well. So

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let me just say to our Shirley fans out there,

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if you are interested in proposing some matchups for us,

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do a review for our podcast on Apple Podcasts or

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whatever podcast app you use, and on the review put in, Hey,

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you guys should do you know secretive nim versus Watership Down,

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which is another one of David Wright's suggestions. But do that,

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or if you've got a question, if you're like, man,

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I really wish I knew this about some eighties or

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nineties or seventies or whatever. You got any question at all,

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just go ahead and put that in the review, and

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I promise we will take up your question on the

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next episode that we have. We forgot to say, everybody,

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right now, choose your illusion, right, this is the time

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as we go through this album, think about use your

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illusion one, use your illusion two. And this is I

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took quote. I shouldn't do that, No, terrible, That was

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Jason's baby right there. Choose your allusion.

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Speaker 1: Choose your illusion one or two. Yeah, all right, it's

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time to go track by track through Use your allusion two.

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Speaker 2: Song number one, Civil War.

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Speaker 1: What we've got here is failure Milk. That line right there,

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that's from the movie Cool Hand, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic movie. The imagery continues. He's whistling the tune

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of when Johnny comes marching home again, and it's all

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steeped in this kind of political comment on the fact

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that all war is civil war and there isn't any

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war that's civil.

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Speaker 1: What's so civil about war anyway?

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Speaker 2: Right? So part of this did you know that Chicago

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helped write this song? What I just wanted to say

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that I just want to say that, No, not Chicago,

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the band. Okay, Chicago, the town. So this one of

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the quotes in this song is from this Peruvian gorilla

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and the only place that you can find that quote

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is in this article that was in the Chicago Tribune

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back in nineteen ninety And the band we know was

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they did some recording and some songwriting out there. So

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I have to say Chicago Tribune at least helped them

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come up with some of the lyrics for the song.

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Speaker 1: That is interesting and that is interesting. So this song

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actually appears in nineteen ninety on a compilation album called

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Nobody's Child The Romanian Angel Appeal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so real quick on this song. Part of the

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inspiration from this song came from back when Axel was

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still married to Aaron Everley. He had a brother in law.

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This is what this is. These are his words he

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had a brother in law who was an arms dealer

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who was talking about how stupid all these countries were

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because he could sell them all these machines to kill

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each other with. And so I'm just thinking brother in law.

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So I started looking, and her brother, Aaron Everley's brother

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is a musician. I don't think it was him. And

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she had a sister named Stacy Everly, who if she

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was married, that would have been her brother in law

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and his brother, right, So I'm thinking it's got to

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be that guy, but I could not find anything about it.

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So shout out to anybody who knows who the brother

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in law arms dealer of Axel was back in the eighties.

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Who he would have been inspired? Right? Part of Civil War?

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. I think I'm just gonna go ahead

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and carefully spike the football. I think this is the

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best song on both albums.

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Speaker 1: Then my first member, Kennedy, I when no when I

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know so wow? Wow, Okay, I know our buddy James Buckley.

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This is his favorite song.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, of course he told me beforehand.

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Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I'm prepping for the pot, and he

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said I listened to it all the way through us

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your lusion one, use your alusion two. He said there

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were some skippers, and there are, and he said, but

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I listened to Civil War four times.

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Speaker 2: You know how I know that this is because when

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I'm doing searches for this, instead of saying use your Illusion,

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I'm like Civil War two, I'm like, oh wait, no wait,

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it's not that the album isn't called Civil War, It's

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called use your Illusion.

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Speaker 1: All right. So the birth of this song is really cool.

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So they this was an instrumental song at one point

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that they would do during sound checks and Slash would

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play it actually came up with some stuff. Duth McKagan

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went to a like protest as a little kid because

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mom took him to a protest. Yeah, and he's like,

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you know, oh yeah, I remember all that. So it's

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kind of a war protest song. The line is did

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you wear the black armband when they shot the man

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who said peace could last forever? And that's in a

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reference to Martin Luther King. I think it's interesting that

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George Harrison and Tom Petty personally called Axel and asked

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him for a song. That's how we get this song

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on that compilation. Of Yeah, this song was first played

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farm Aid in nineteen ninety and it was the first

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and last song that was played with Steven Adler.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is the only song

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and from what I understand.

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Speaker 1: They pulled him off of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, they it's him on the drums, but it's about

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sixty different takes where they would just piece together what

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he had done because he could not make it through

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the song from beginning to end and have a quality piece.

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Speaker 1: This was the song where they realized, this guy's not

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functioning right, he can't be our drummer anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, farm Aid was the last. Was that the last?

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Speaker 1: So here's the funny part. They say that they fired

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him because of his drug use, right, which is laughable

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because Axel was using, as he was using, Slash was using,

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Duff was using, and they bring in Matt Sorom as

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his replacement.

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Speaker 2: Who immediately starts doing grogs with Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that he was a drug user,

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it's the fact he couldn't play his drums anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so bad that he couldn't play and

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I think on that farm aid when if you watch

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the video on that, you'll see him trip and fall

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as he's going up to his drum set.

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Speaker 1: It's really too bad. This was the one that didn't.

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Civil War reached number four on the mainstream rock chart

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in nineteen nine.

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Speaker 2: So it quotes the speech by this Peruvian shining Path Gorilla.

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He says, we've practiced selective annihilation of mayors and government officials,

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for example, to create a vacuum. Then we filled that

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vacuum as popular war advances peace. It's closer creepy.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna to think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get rid of people and then put our

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Speaker 1: Okay, civil War love it? I agree with you. One

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of the best songs on the album for sure, maybe

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best on both albums.

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Speaker 2: So this one was written by slash Stuff and Axel,

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and like we said, it still had Steven Adler on it,

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but it did not have Izzy on this No is

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he on this one? No is he on this one.

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We've got piano by Dizzy Reid, and we've got background

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vocals by Duff and Dizzy.

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Speaker 1: But I know Izzy is already working his way toward

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the exit at night.

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Speaker 2: To night right, And so speaking of Izzy, I think

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it's time to jump into song number two. Song number two,

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fourteen years.

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Speaker 3: Shine are you? You chime down the complain?

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Speaker 4: You try?

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Speaker 2: All right? Real bluesy right out of the gate. And

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this is is he singing?

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Speaker 1: Is he on lead vocals?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Izzy is playing the rhythm guitar and singing the

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lead vocals and way bluesier than our standard guns n' roses.

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Speaker 1: Fair let's keep going, all right?

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Speaker 2: So this song is this song is fourteen years. This

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is about how they were not an overnight success, right,

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this is their idea is we've been doing this for

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fourteen years before all of the fame happened to is anyway,

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Izzy and Axel both had a song called fourteen years

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that they just kind of like were like, wait what

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And they're the two that started together right way back

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in Indiana, So.

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Speaker 1: They were friends in Indiana. This song they think was

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written in nineteen eighty nine because at that point they

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had been friends for about fourteen years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they stopped playing it when is he left the

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band because not really friends anymore? Right' not really going

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to celebrate my friendship with Izzy on stage?

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Speaker 2: It is crazy though. I mean, how many of these

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songs they don't play after the album comes out.

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Speaker 1: You have to wait until the Not in this Lifetime

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tour to hear some of these songs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you really like this one?

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Speaker 1: I love this song.

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Speaker 2: This is not one of my favorites. It is, okay,

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but it's just not not It's just.

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Speaker 1: It's so diverse. It's different than Guns of Roses.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on on usual illusion one. We had

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a song by Paul McCartney when it was with Wings,

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and now we've got a song when he was with

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the Beatles Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not a cup, it's not the same. No,

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it's different.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yesterday's yesterday. There's an as in the.

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Speaker 6: End Today the man was not anything.

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Speaker 1: This song's beautiful right out of the gate man, It's

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just smooth.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love the simple, consistent drum beat.

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It's great.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of poppy.

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Speaker 2: It's poppy. It's it's got a country feel to it.

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It's not appetite for destruction at all.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's like a pop song with Axel's

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voice and slash guitar, which for me really works.

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Speaker 2: This makes me think of the guy from Infectious Grooves Russ,

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who was talking to us on our last episode about

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the variety that you see in this album. This is

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so different and so good. It's just showing that this

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band can do more than just rock your balls off.

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They can also make you groove, man. They can also

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like make you feel like hanging out.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: This is a song that you can make out with

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your girlfriend. This song. We talked last week how they

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filmed the video for Garden of Eden the same day

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that they filmed the video for Yesterday's. Yeah, because they

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had the camera set up and well, crap, why not

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just film two videos and one?

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Speaker 2: Why not, let's just get it all done.

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Speaker 1: So this is a song that was written by Axl Rose,

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west Arkeen, Del James, and a guy named Billy McCleod.

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We've talked about del James before. He's the guy who

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wrote the short stories that November Rain was based on.

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West Arkeen, He's written all kinds of songs with them. Yeah,

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he was like, yeah, stuff on Appetite for Destruction. Yeah,

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So yeah, they were good friends and he helped with

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the writing of this song. Okay. Yesterday's was released as

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a single November ninth of ninety two, beautiful song. Love

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it three for three out of the gate for me.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to say something about the music video. Okay,

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we talked about how it was filmed the same day

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as Garden of Eden. This music video there's two different versions.

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There's a black and white and then there's another version

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that shows clips and photos of the band, including Izzy

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who had left the band and Steven Eddlert.

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Speaker 2: Fired who again fired, but still they were a part

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of the process. Put the song again.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, We done with this one, yep? All right?

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Moving on to Knocking on Heaven's Store.

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Speaker 2: You recognize it right off the bat, you know it's

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Bob Dylan, but then they come in with that smashing,

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crashing guitar. This is one they had been covering for

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a long time, Like I think even pre Appetite days

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they were covering this song.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's video of them, like in nineteen eighty

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seven at the Ritz I think, playing Knocking on Heaven's

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Star and it's one of those things where they interact

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with the crowd, right. Axel would sing Knock Knock, Knocking

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on Heaven's Door and then the crowd.

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Speaker 2: Would they do the echo, they would do.

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Speaker 1: The kN knocking on, that's go off.

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Speaker 2: Awesome song. I would have loved to have seen them

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perform this live. The backing chorus that they have toward

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the end of the.

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Speaker 1: Song, I love the gospel chorus is amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's you know what it is like man in the

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mirror is what it is?

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Speaker 1: Guilty? What can I say?

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Speaker 2: Right? That's why you love this song so much so.

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This song was originally written by Bob Dylan for a movie,

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and that movie.

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Speaker 1: Was called Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, had James Coburn, had Chris Christockerson, had Bob Dylan

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in it, and it had Slim Pickens in it. And

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Slim Pickens. As he was dying, says the lines that

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inspire the song to his wife, who he called Mama,

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get out, Yeah, and why do we have this song?

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Speaker 1: Axel said he wanted to introduce this song to the

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next generation, and.

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Speaker 2: He totally did right, Like I knew this song. I

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mean I in ninety one, I was listening to classic

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rock like I wasn't. I had given up on modern rock.

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So I think I actually of the two I owned

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us your illusion too. I did not get user illusion one,

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but there's a lot of classic rock feel to use

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your illusion to which I was vibing on at the time,

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and so I was familiar with the Bob Dylan version.

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I was also familiar with the Eric Clapton version, which

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is in another movie.

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Speaker 1: That's how I know it. It's in the last scene

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of leitha Weapon two, right, like Riggs's shot Murtaz down there.

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Don't you die, Riggs, right, you understand you can't die?

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Speaker 2: Right? And then in true form, the Guns and Roses

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version is also in a movie. It was in Days

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of Thunder, and that is the first release of this

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song was on the soundtrack to that movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just say the summer of nineteen ninety,

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I wore out the Days of Thunder soundtrack because I

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love this song so much.

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Speaker 2: That's the first time you see Nicole Kidman and Tom

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Cruise in a movie together. Of course, they you know,

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ultimately get married and have kids that had to get

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returned with Ropshot whenever they got divorced.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so here you go. They started playing this June

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nineteenth of nineteen eighty seven. Slash Loves the guitar solo

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is he loved playing this, called it special. Now listen,

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there is a phone. There's like a sound effect in

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the middle of this song where there there's like a phone,

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like an old style dialing of the phone. Right, Yeah,

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there's a speaking part, yes, right, right, So here's the deal.

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The phone number, the uh huh that's six five nine

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eight eight nine zero.

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Speaker 2: Does that lead anywhere?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the area code? Okay, I've listened to

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this song ten thousand times, right, Okay, what does he say?

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Right there?

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Speaker 2: So this is by Josh Rickman, and he says, you

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just better start sniffing your own rank subjugation Jack, because

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it's just you against your tattered libido, the bank, and

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the mortician forever man. And it wouldn't be luck if

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you could get out of life alive your own.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. They spit that out. He spits it

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out pretty quick, knocking on Heaven's door.

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Speaker 6: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate this. It's one of my

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favorite songs of the nights. It's one that I keep

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coming back to. I can play this a million times

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in a row and continue to love it. It's my

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favorite song on this album. Wow, I mean it's a cover,

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but it's still the one I keep coming back to.

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Speaker 7: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned that this They had played this

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song a lot and it had kind of been around.

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On the B side of Welcome to the Jungle, there

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is a live version of Knocking on Heaven's Store. Oh nice,

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if you were lucky enough to have that Maxie cassette.

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Speaker 2: I just like the word Maxie.

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Speaker 1: So somebody asked Bob Dylan. They're like, hey, Guns and

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Roses did a song knocking on Heaven's Doore. What do

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you think. He's like, it was okay, but it's kind

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of like being an invasion of the Body Snatchers. I

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don't really know what that means, but that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So invasion the Body Snatchers is when the people

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are replaced with soulless robots. So I don't think it

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was a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he and Slash had actually done a song together,

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so he's kind of friends with Slash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's a huge fan of this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it doesn't sound like it.

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Speaker 1: This reached number sixteen on the Hot Rock charts in

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nineteen ninety and Adam Sandler does a great impression of

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this song.

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Speaker 6: GoGet out and yo.

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Speaker 1: Hurt right there, right.

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Speaker 2: There, right, I can see that.

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Speaker 1: We done with this one in the gospel car Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: I think he stand for you me get in the

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ring Okay. And it sounds like this is a live song,

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but it's not. This chant that you have is from

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one of their live shows.

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Speaker 1: It's really cool the Guns Spin Roses. It's not live,

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but it still sounds really neat the Guns.

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Speaker 2: So you know the story behind the song, right, you

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tell me the story behind the song.

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Speaker 1: Well, so Axel takes out his anger on all the

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journalists who he perceived as sliding the band. So one

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of the particular people that he calls out is Bob

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Guccioni Jr.

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Speaker 2: Yes, from Spin magazine.

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Speaker 1: From Spin magazine whose dad is the founder of Penthouse magazine.

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Speaker 2: Right. Spin was kind of like this more edgy version

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of Rolling Stone Magazine. They had even said the future

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of music and they listed off three bands, one of

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which was Guns N' Roses, so like they're promoting them

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to a degree. But then after a while they did

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kind of a dirt like a mud smear thing on them,

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and to sum it all down to two words axle

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as asshole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is three words.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yes, I think that's pretty clear. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Bob Guccio and Junior in Spin magazine, they actually

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went back to Indiana and they started interviewing people in

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his past. Yeah, which he didn't appreciate.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: He also called him Bill, which is a no no

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when you're talking to right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you know the rest of the story. No,

473
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,160
So he actually challenged, like Bob Guccioni was like, do

474
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,440
you want to actually have a fighter? And Axel was

475
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,880
like yeah, yeah, yeah, until he realized that Bob Guccioni

476
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,000
had been trained as a fighter for like nine years.

477
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:57,799
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

478
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:58,559
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

479
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't have time for your stupid fights anymore.

480
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm above it. Yeah.

481
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,079
Speaker 3: Right.

482
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: So, just a few guys that he mentions by name

483
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,079
in the song are Andy Setcher, Hit Parator, Mick Wall

484
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,599
of Kerrang, and then of course Bob Gucchann and Jane

485
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,039
from Spin.

486
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you would think that this was an actual

487
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,200
like Axuals the White Jumping, This was actually Duff that

488
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,200
was like, hey, we need to write a song to

489
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,839
address these problems. The song was originally called why do

490
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,480
You Look at me when you hate me, which I

491
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,759
can understand, like the meaning of you know, you guys

492
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,920
are getting all of this business from us, so why

493
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,000
are you suddenly trashing us? That doesn't make sense. But

494
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,559
then it changed to get in the Ring, mf or,

495
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,480
and then it just changed to get in the ring.

496
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: Right, So this is the song like when my friends

497
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,039
and I first got this album, this is the one

498
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,599
we played for each other, like, oh my gosh, check

499
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:52,480
it out. He's calling these guys out by name. It's

500
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
calling everybody you know, f you, mf or get in

501
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,160
the f and ring. But thirty years later, this, to

502
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,839
me is the biggest crime on the album save one.

503
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,039
And we'll talk about that at the end.

504
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,319
Speaker 2: You're saying you don't like the song.

505
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:07,039
Speaker 1: I like it. I think the music's good. I think

506
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,240
it's got sort of fun tones to it.

507
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

508
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,039
Speaker 1: But I just find it classless, you know.

509
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's petty. It is. It is definitely petty.

510
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,240
But why are we surprised that guns we would be petty?

511
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,039
So Mick Wall had a book called Guns N' Roses

512
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,240
the Most Dangerous Band in the World, and that was

513
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,759
where he did the interviews and stories about the band.

514
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,480
There were claims that the real reason was an interview

515
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,400
he had conducted back in nineteen ninety for Kerrang that

516
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,319
included Actual's threat of harm to Vince Neil of Miley Crue.

517
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,480
But the full story on that one is on our

518
00:26:43,519 --> 00:27:04,319
next song. So that song is Shotgun Blues. Okay, although

519
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,720
the story behind the song is pretty interesting, I would

520
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,400
get rid of this song.

521
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: The song sucks.

522
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've established you and I are not punk fans, right.

523
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,039
This is the punkiest of the Guns N' Roses songs.

524
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,960
I think that you can get. If you love punk,

525
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,240
you probably like this song. It's not for me.

526
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: It's not for me either. You know who does love

527
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,799
this song? No Duff, and Duff is like the most

528
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,319
punky of the group.

529
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,319
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, And we'll talk a little bit later

530
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,640
about one of his idols that from the punk days

531
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,279
and his inspiration behind another song. But let's talk about

532
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:37,240
the story behind.

533
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: This one, okay, which got.

534
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,599
Speaker 2: So Apparently vince Neil's wife met up with Izzy Stradlin

535
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,920
at some point is he made some remarks to her

536
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,279
that vince Neil did not like.

537
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: That's true, Yeah, And so backstage at the video Music

538
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,240
Awards in ninth ninety nine. We talked about this a

539
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:56,160
little bit two weeks ago.

540
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,319
Speaker 2: I think yeah, we may have even mentioned it. I'm

541
00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:59,720
not sure if we did. We may have mentioned it

542
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,279
on our Motley Crue episode as well.

543
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,079
Speaker 1: I think we did, Yeah, I think we did. It's

544
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,319
interesting because that Video Music Awards, Don Henley had to

545
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,119
play drums for Steven Adler, who was in rehab is

546
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,720
he said something that Vince didn't like to his wife.

547
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,160
So Vince punched is he backstage? And of course Axel

548
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:15,839
jumps in.

549
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,519
Speaker 2: And Molly Cruz, the one that presented the award that

550
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,000
Guns N' Roses won, He's like, Okay, here's your award,

551
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,160
see you backstage.

552
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Vince knocked him out, and then Axel said,

553
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,000
let's go Vince anytime, and so Vince is like, kind

554
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,559
of like Bob gets you in a junior. He's like,

555
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,039
name the time, name the place, we'll put it on

556
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:37,680
pay per view and we'll duke it out.

557
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,039
Speaker 2: I would have paid the pay per view money to

558
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,440
watch that fight for Shore, I know, right. So anyway,

559
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,559
so anyway, great story, not a great song.

560
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Great story not a great song. So this song needs

561
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,839
to go like, this album is better if this song

562
00:28:51,880 --> 00:29:11,720
goes next song break down. Okay, Dan, this is the

563
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:12,920
hidden gem on this album.

564
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,359
Speaker 2: You like this. I love this song and like, I

565
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,119
didn't really know it before we started diving into this.

566
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,799
Speaker 1: This is like climbing the Guns n' Roses ladder for me.

567
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640
On best songs, their catalog come in from the cone,

568
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,279
we come down from the way.

569
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,119
Speaker 6: They have a mana wong. They don't know what you mean.

570
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you. Hidden gym on

571
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:46,839
this album that I was not familiar with before we

572
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160
started doing this. I love it. I love the banjo

573
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,960
which Slash didn't know how to play the banjo, so

574
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,680
he just strung a banjo like guitar and it plays

575
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,480
that way. This is the second song that we have

576
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,200
with Whistling. It's the second song that's got that kind

577
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,279
of rat tat tat like the like the Soldier march

578
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,319
in it, and it's when you listen to this piano

579
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,559
come in, it totally makes me think of a swinging

580
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,759
country version of the piano that's in the second part

581
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,680
of November Ring.

582
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: I totally agree.

583
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:16,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

584
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: And then at about a minute in when the guitars

585
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,640
come in. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like

586
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,160
Leonard Skinner Freebird. This is fantastic. Love it, Love what

587
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,799
they did with it. Great song.

588
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: It's like southern rock. Here's the thing. You could play

589
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,000
this song. You and I like to go to Silverdoff

590
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:35,119
City and Branson. If they played this at several dollars city,

591
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,319
You like to go there.

592
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:37,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would like to.

593
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: He's too cool for city.

594
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:41,759
Speaker 2: Oh I just.

595
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we've got some We got some friends

596
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,440
down south now Van Allen Plexico and David Riot. These

597
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,160
guys are like Alabama guys. Yeah, so down there. I

598
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,359
think they have Dollywood. I went there this summer. Yeah,

599
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:55,200
they could play this at Dollywood.

600
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

601
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,519
Speaker 1: This is a great Guns n' Roses countryfied swing. The song.

602
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:05,559
Speaker 5: I love it.

603
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: The lyrics are about our relationship gone bad, which is

604
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,680
almost every song Guns and Roses makes. But the guitar

605
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,640
work on this, the whistling, it's it makes me happy

606
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,359
to listen to this one.

607
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,759
Speaker 2: And you mentioned fan Allen Plexico, be sure and check

608
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,160
out his podcast. It's on Well, he.

609
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Has a Van Allen Plexicode does a podcast called White

610
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,000
Rocket and it's on it they cover Battle on five,

611
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,119
but they also dip into the movie thing. But he's

612
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,519
written some books on Auburn football. I mean, he's like

613
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,720
an expert on Auburn football, A great fan.

614
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,559
Speaker 2: Love all of the interactions and the bits of wisdom

615
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:00,599
that he gives this. I love it.

616
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: Yes.

617
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Slash said that this was the most difficult song on

618
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,720
the entire album to record.

619
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:06,359
Speaker 2: I can see that.

620
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I guess it's because he didn't really know how to

621
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,759
play the banjo.

622
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:09,519
Speaker 2: Probably.

623
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,319
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing, Spin Magazine. Yeah, you know

624
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:16,240
Bob guccien and JR. I love how they describe this song. Yeah,

625
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:20,440
this song is like Elton John singing Wanted Dead or

626
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Our Lives.

627
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: Love it, love it cool, perfect captures it absolutely all right.

628
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: This is the hidden gem for me.

629
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: Totally agree, me too. All Right. The next song we have.

630
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Is called pretty Tied Up the Perils of Rock and

631
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,079
Roll Decadentes.

632
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a great bit of music with some

633
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,640
truly horrifying lyric.

634
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we're gonna try and keep this one. Pg. Thirteen.

635
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Yeah. I don't know what to say

636
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,240
about this. Great to listen to. If you don't listen

637
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,039
to what the words saying.

638
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I really have studied the lyrics. I

639
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,279
like the song, Yeah, yeah, I like the music.

640
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:33,759
Speaker 7: Yeah.

641
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: This is written by.

642
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: Isy Yeah, Izzy wrote this one. And this is one

643
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,000
if you've got the CD or the liner notes that

644
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,759
write in the middle of it. There's this very weird

645
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
thing that's almost like a skull and crossbones, where you've

646
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,559
got the crossbones, but instead of a skull, you have

647
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:54,200
like a dismembered female, naked body with her hair being pulled.

648
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,359
Speaker 1: So Izzy tells a story. Here we go. I'm gonna

649
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:58,119
try and keep this PG.

650
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,559
Speaker 2: Thirteen.

651
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,279
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I go, okay, is he tells a story.

652
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,039
He had a buddy named Tony and they went over

653
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,720
to this girl's house. Her name is Margo, and she

654
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,599
was just hanging out with him, and she said, hey,

655
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,039
you guys wanted tequila? Sure, And they walked into the

656
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,400
next room and they saw a man tied up like

657
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:18,840
duct taped to the wall, wearing women's underwear with an

658
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,639
onion in his mouth, and they're like, what is what

659
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,719
is going on here?

660
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,039
Speaker 2: I don't think I even would have gotten the words

661
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,119
out of my mouth. Oh, I'm sorry, this is the

662
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:28,800
wrong house.

663
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Goodbye, see later. I have no interest in this. I

664
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,559
will be leaving now.

665
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: Wow.

666
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,519
Speaker 1: She said that's a client and that's all I'm going

667
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:38,159
to say about that.

668
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

669
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this song, slash has stated that

670
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840
this song was written at at Izzy's house okay, before

671
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,480
the band went to Chicago in eighty nine. According to

672
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,440
slash Is, he was so high in Heroin that night

673
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:02,000
he made a sitar out of a symbol, a broomstick

674
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:02,960
and some strings.

675
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 4: Wow.

676
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,039
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's interesting though. This one has a gitar too.

677
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,400
Remember in the black album we Have Wherever I May Roam? Right,

678
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,480
You've got two albums that were comparing both with this

679
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,480
random citar in the in the middle of the album.

680
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,119
Speaker 1: Good Call, Good Call. That's awesome. Yeah, how do you

681
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:20,760
like this one? Mixed feelings?

682
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,639
Speaker 2: Good music? I don't. I could believe it because the

683
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,920
rest of it's too creepy for me.

684
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: You got me all interested?

685
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: Now do you want any what the lyrics aren't She's

686
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,000
pretty tied up, hanging upside down. She's pretty tied up.

687
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,239
You can ride her. She's pretty tied up, hanging upside down.

688
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,039
I can't tell you she's the right one. Okay, moving

689
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:46,039
on already to a song called Locomotive.

690
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: A great musical intro to this one that's kind of

691
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,519
funky metal, right, Yeah, I love the bassline guitar comes in.

692
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: It's strong. So this one was one that Slash had

693
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,280
written the music for, and Axel has some trouble coming

694
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,960
up with lyrics.

695
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

696
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said to his manager about this?

697
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:27,719
He calls and complaints. He's like, how am I supposed

698
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,239
to write lyrics to songs like this mean? And he

699
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,000
named this one specifically it's musically intricate, but where did

700
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,559
the words go?

701
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? This was Doug Goldstein, and Doug Goldstein's response to

702
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,320
him was, well, that's your job. Actual I managed the band.

703
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,519
Speaker 1: Can't help you.

704
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're the singer of Guns N' Roses. Let me

705
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,400
let me check my job listing here song song right, Nope,

706
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,159
not on, are not gonna help you.

707
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Slash writes music, you write the words. That's how it works. Okay,

708
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,840
So for me. The interesting thing about this Slash recalls

709
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
writing this song and coma kind of working on them

710
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,079
both at the same time, around the time that they

711
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,280
filmed the video for Patients. Okay, and I looked it

712
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,679
up and the date that they filmed the video for

713
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,719
Patients Valentine's Day nineteen eighty nine. Pretty cool.

714
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you doing on Valentine's Day nineteen eighty

715
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:27,280
nine try and solve the mysteries of the Broadclast? Probably

716
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,559
probably listen to a little fifty one to fifty.

717
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:34,039
Speaker 1: Maybe my go to at that time was I'll be

718
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,119
there for you a bunch of.

719
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: I love it all right.

720
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: So there's some interesting lyrics in this song. This is

721
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,039
the only song that mentions the words use your illusion.

722
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: What does that mean, Jason?

723
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything, right. It just says you can

724
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,639
use your illusion, let it take you where it may.

725
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,480
We live and learn, and then sometimes it's best to

726
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:03,159
walk away. It's deep, not really, no, no, this is

727
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,199
about a relationship going bad. Some people thought that this

728
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,719
was directed at Stephanie Seymour.

729
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Down great and.

730
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 6: Look them out?

731
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:42,559
Speaker 2: Okay.

732
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: You know we talked in the previous song about is

733
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,639
he walking into a room and discovering a naked man?

734
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,480
Doug Goldstein, the manager for guns Roast, we talked about

735
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,880
last week how the first time he met Stephanie Seymour,

736
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,599
he opened the door and she was standing there.

737
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 2: Buck naked.

738
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: That's a little more pleasant than the than the guy to.

739
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: Yes, a little hair hair more pleasant.

740
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,079
Speaker 1: So Locomotive is one of those songs that comes up

741
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,360
when people talk about use allusion to like the off

742
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000
the beaten track songs, and I get it.

743
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a quality song. Great.

744
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 1: The guitar work on this is really strong. It's funky,

745
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,639
it's upbeat. I like it. I know. Our buddy Russ

746
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,400
from the Infectious Grooves podcast mentioned this one specifically as

747
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,519
one that he loves.

748
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: From this album.

749
00:39:30,920 --> 00:40:00,079
Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to a song called so Fine.

750
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: So when I mentioned punk earlier, this is the song

751
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,400
I was referring to. Surprised.

752
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because.

753
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: It's not punk at all, right, it's not remotely punk,

754
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,519
but in the liner notes and the lyrics that are

755
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,440
on the paper here on this album, this is written

756
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,079
by Duff and it is dedicated to Johnny Thunders. So

757
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,719
Johnny Thunders was a guy who was a leader in

758
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,920
the punk movement back in the early seventies. He was

759
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,800
with New York Dolls and then he went on to

760
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,639
another group called the Heartbreakers, not Tom Petty, different Heartbreakers,

761
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:35,519
and it was sometimes called Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers,

762
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:39,320
but Duff has dedicated this song to him. He died

763
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,280
April twenty third, nineteen ninety one. Most people would guess

764
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920
it was probably drug related, but there's a lot of

765
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,960
mystery surrounding his death, like d d ramone of the Ramones,

766
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,559
talks about in his book, calling and saying he got

767
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,159
involved with some bastards who ripped him off for his

768
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,519
methodonie support and gave him LSD and then murdered him.

769
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,719
And so I mean, it's this thing that nobody's looked into, like,

770
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,880
it's very, very strange. He had a neighbor called Willie

771
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,079
Deville who when the people started calling him because he

772
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,599
lived next door, he made up story. He said, well,

773
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,360
he died with his guitar in his hand, but he

774
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,119
said that was completely not true. He came out in

775
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:20,880
the shape of a you like he was.

776
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 8: He was a bad shape, like the rigamortis made his

777
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,199
body as you. Yeah, not a good picture, not with

778
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,480
the guitar, not with his guitar in his hand. Okay,

779
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,679
So that's what this song is about.

780
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how he looks so fine when he's

781
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,920
in the shape of a you riga mortis, But I

782
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,440
think it's really about when he was alive and the

783
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,880
inspiration that he was to deaf in his punk days.

784
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: That's nice. I've got a funny story about this song.

785
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with that.

786
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: Let's you want to on air funny story? Yeah, okay.

787
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,760
So one of the crew members, this guy's name was

788
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,119
Craig Duswald, right, yes, and his job was to put

789
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,039
the words on the monitors for Axel in case he

790
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,719
forgot the words or got lost or whatever.

791
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,159
Speaker 2: I loved this story.

792
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: So normally Slash would yell out the song title to

793
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,239
him off stage. So the night that they played this,

794
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Slash yelled.

795
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,559
Speaker 2: Used to lover Right.

796
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,199
Speaker 1: So he puts the words to use to lover up

797
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
on the screen. But when the song starts, he doesn't

798
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,039
recognize it as used to lover right. So he's scanning

799
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,719
his song list in his brain, like what is this song?

800
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,639
I don't understand it. And he's like, oh crap, oh

801
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:22,840
my gosh, this is not used to.

802
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,519
Speaker 2: Love right, but used to love her still on the teleprompter, right,

803
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,760
And so he's like, actually, is gonna freaking kill me

804
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,440
if I don't get the words up here? Yeah, he

805
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,280
hears him start singing, and he's like, wait, he's not

806
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,480
singing these words.

807
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: And so he's like, well, that's okay, I'll just wait

808
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,719
for the chorus. There's no chorus in the song, so

809
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,119
he starts to panic and Slash is cracking up.

810
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, all Craig can think is okay, when they

811
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,519
fire me after this, are they gonna fly me home?

812
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,719
Or do I have to fly my own dollar?

813
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: I like this song. It's it's got a sweet feel

814
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,199
to it. It's nice. It's not my favorite, but I

815
00:42:59,239 --> 00:42:59,559
like it.

816
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,039
Speaker 2: It's it's good. Okay.

817
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,199
Speaker 1: Moving on to maybe the masterpiece of this album. HM,

818
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,599
this song is called stretched.

819
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,639
Speaker 6: I don't nobody have a dollar by how now?

820
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:38,519
Speaker 2: Okay?

821
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: So d this is a musical symphony to the ears.

822
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,639
This is like a Guns n' Roses November Rain like masterpiece.

823
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: I could see this as like a song in a

824
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,239
musical theater like on Broadway, like this is this is

825
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,480
not anything like any not only Guns n' Roses song,

826
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,400
but anything anybody else was doing at the time. It

827
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,199
is more melodic, there's no chorus. There is so much

828
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,760
emotion that he's got going on in this song, right,

829
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,199
I could totally see it being you know part of

830
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,519
Les miz or something. You know? This is this. This

831
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,000
is an emotional, powerful, musically complex song.

832
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: There's multiple piano solos, there's multiple guitar solos. Axel wrote

833
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,679
this song when he and Aaron Everley were getting their

834
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,960
marriage annulled. Oh I mean you get the title Estranged.

835
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where you get this emotional subtext to all

836
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,119
of these fronts and moans even in this song. It's

837
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:34,599
truly amazing. Okay, I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna

838
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,079
You're gonna it's gonna blow your mind. You're ready. Yeah, Okay,

839
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:38,599
I told you I wasn't really listening to this kind

840
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,519
of music in ninety ninety one. Right, I've never seen

841
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:41,920
this video.

842
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So the video is the real story here, Okay, Okay, yeah,

843
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,599
I mean I say that the video is a major

844
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:51,599
part of the story.

845
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,039
Speaker 2: Okay.

846
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 1: So you have this beautiful, complex, masterfully done song and

847
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,400
then you match it up with a video. Remember we

848
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,599
said last November, Rain's budget was one point four million,

849
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,719
which made it one of the most expensive videos ever made.

850
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:11,679
Estrange costs four million dollars. Holy crap to make the video. Okay,

851
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,960
I need to watch this let's we're gonna take a moment.

852
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:16,800
He's gonna watch this video and then we're gonna come

853
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,880
back and talk about it. While I'm looking this updep

854
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:23,079
Chris Cornell of Soundguard. Keep in mind, Soundgarden actually opened

855
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,280
for Guns N' Roses on the Usual Lusion tour, So

856
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,199
this is not somebody who's not familiar with these guys.

857
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,079
They're not friends with them.

858
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:29,599
Speaker 2: Right.

859
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: He took issue with the level of decadence on display

860
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,840
in this video. Okay, with actual in particular. He's like,

861
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,800
who does he think he's appealing to other than Donald Trump? Right?

862
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,679
So there's there's scenes of him at his house. It's

863
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,880
his actual house showing off as wealth. They rented a

864
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,880
freaking tanker, like an oil tanker, and there's dolphins and

865
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,440
all this stuff. He said, I was offended by it.

866
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,639
It takes a lot for me to get offended when

867
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,960
who gives a crap about all this stuff and yet

868
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,239
Axel puts it on display.

869
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,079
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you bring up Chris Cornell because

870
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,280
I didn't realize the close connection. Soundgarden opened up for

871
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,800
Guns N' Roses for a large part of their tour, right, right,

872
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,239
And he formed a friendship with basically everybody in the

873
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,719
band except Axel. He said, you never saw him, He said,

874
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,840
he only remembers actually seeing him like in the hallway

875
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,159
one time, and it was this weird like he's dressed

876
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,719
in like this spandex short short spandex and he's like

877
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,039
hey man and goes by and he's like, I felt

878
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,800
like I was in a comic book. It was so bizarre. Wow.

879
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,480
And so I watched, you know, I learned this literally,

880
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,519
you know, listening to this as I'm driving I go

881
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,360
to academy to buy some sports stuff for my kids.

882
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,280
And as I walk in the door, the song that's

883
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,920
playing is Patience, as covered by Chris Cornell, and I

884
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
was like, oh wow, this is altol. So if you

885
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:56,920
haven't heard that version of Patients, Chris Cornell's beautiful voice

886
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,360
and does something different with the melody. It's truly a

887
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,400
beautiful song. You have to check out. Let's listen to that.

888
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: A little clip of that right here.

889
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:13,039
Speaker 9: So take it so little work itself fine only it's

890
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,199
just a little paces.

891
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,519
Speaker 7: Searching out.

892
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 6: Make it so we will come again, Finn.

893
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,599
Speaker 7: Only little place.

894
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: Let's see.

895
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I love it all right. The check out the video,

896
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:41,440
The strange here.

897
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: The way the day.

898
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: All right, you've seen the video, now what do you think?

899
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: Okay, favorite part was when the dolphin came swimming out

900
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,599
of the back of the jumbo jets. What the heck

901
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,199
was that?

902
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 10: Dude?

903
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: It's just excess, you know, it's just rock and roll excess.

904
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: James Cameron did not direct that video. You know how.

905
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,079
I know how's that because I could not see four

906
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,679
million dollars on the screen, That's right, I could. I

907
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:41,280
couldn't see a book fifty on the screen. That was terrible.

908
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: I think they rented that tanker, which costs like one

909
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,360
hundred grand an hour, yes, and then that they had

910
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,199
the like the Coastguard helicopter.

911
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,159
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and what was the beginning with the

912
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,000
ambulance coming in at the same time as the swat.

913
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: Team in standard two by two formation and the quarterback.

914
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,599
Speaker 2: What was that? That was terrible. As much as I

915
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,960
love this song, that video was a steaming pile of

916
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:08,519
doo doo.

917
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just rock and roll Lexis, you know,

918
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:11,840
it's terrible.

919
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,639
Speaker 2: This song, though, Terror.

920
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: Is incredible, Slash really doing his part to make this

921
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,199
song epic.

922
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guitar is good. Slash on a dolly going

923
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,760
down the sidewalk next to the rainbow bar is a

924
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,239
bit odd, but whatever.

925
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, that beautiful house in Malibu, but

926
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,719
you see that's Axel Rose's actual house.

927
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: Or was right?

928
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:35,599
Speaker 4: Yeah?

929
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,159
Speaker 2: I like this Converse shoe.

930
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: They were cool. They actually had an axle on the

931
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,119
on the rear of this of the shoot. This is

932
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,079
the best song on the album.

933
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: I disagree, but it's good.

934
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 1: My favorite is still Knocking on Heaven's Door, but this

935
00:49:48,679 --> 00:50:13,639
is the best one. Okay, all right, we're done with

936
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:14,119
the Strange.

937
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can move on. Oh but we need to

938
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,920
know that this is part of a trilogy, right, thank you.

939
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.

940
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: So we have November Rain, Don't Cry, which both are

941
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,239
on usually one one, and then we have this one,

942
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,280
which comes along and usually your illusion to Now, both

943
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,159
albums came out at the same time. Videos were not

944
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,400
done at the same time, right, And you noted that

945
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,079
there's a notable missing character in a Strange studio.

946
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: Right, if you've seen part one of the trilogy, Don't Cry,

947
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,719
you have Stephanie Seymour all over that part two November Rain,

948
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,679
she's all over that actually attend her funeral, and then

949
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,119
she is supposed to be in part three estranged, but

950
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,719
they had broken up, and so she was absolutely.

951
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: Ironic that they had become estranged at that point. Yes, yes,

952
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,719
I also really like the dictionary notes that we would get.

953
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400
It's like a pop up video, that's right.

954
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: And I think at the very end of the song

955
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,880
it says lose your illusions.

956
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,119
Speaker 2: Right, And I was distracted by the dolphin sitting next

957
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,840
to actual in the back rope. What a weird.

958
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 10: Wow.

959
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,039
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to a more fun song.

960
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:21,960
The next song.

961
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 10: Yeah you could be mine?

962
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking about Brad Moore in the back of

963
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,039
the theater rocking out to this song and just waiting

964
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,159
to pull the last hand off. This is such a

965
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,760
good song and I just a all want to throw

966
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,039
this out there. Brad mentioned that his fifteen year old

967
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,599
son is also listening to us, which we deliberately make

968
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:09,360
ourselves family friendly so that you can listen with your

969
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,320
teenage kid. But Brad Moore says his fifteen year olds

970
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,599
listened to us, and he's friends with James Buckley's daughter

971
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,960
who is also in that age range. And I saw

972
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,679
on Facebook that she went as her favorite decade to school,

973
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,039
and she was decked out.

974
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: In eighties year she wore a purple Raine shirt to school.

975
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,039
Speaker 2: Love It, Love It.

976
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can take credit for that,

977
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,119
but we did run the Purple Raine episodes this summer.

978
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 11: Right, Okay, let's talk about you Could Be Mine.

979
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: This was in the Terminator Too movie. Arnold Schwarzenegger actively

980
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,760
campaigned for these guys personally to contribute a song Terminator two.

981
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: He invited them to his house to finalize the deal.

982
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,239
Let's we want this song to be a part of

983
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:07,599
the movie.

984
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,679
Speaker 1: The Governator called them up. He gave them each leather

985
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,079
jackets that had bullet holes in them, just like you

986
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,400
see in the movie. Ah sweet, And he actually personally

987
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,639
selected this song. Now, I wish I knew more about

988
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,840
the selection process. I don't know whether they gave him. Hey,

989
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,800
here's ten songs, what do you think is the best?

990
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,960
But he chose you could be Mine. This song was

991
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,360
written in nineteen eighty seven during the Appetite for Destruction Days.

992
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,599
So this was originally written by Izzy about a woman

993
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,400
named Angela Nicoletti. She was a girlfriend who ended up

994
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,599
marrying the lead guitarist for Hanoi rocks.

995
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 2: Oh right, that we talked about before.

996
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: Yes, the song as it was originally written was called

997
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,199
Cocaine Talking. Okay, Okay. Now Douve gave an interview like

998
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,599
in nineteen eighty eight talking about this song Cocaine Talking.

999
00:53:54,639 --> 00:54:01,800
He's like, people think we're druggies, but we don't do drugs. Okay,

1000
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840
the only thing were cocaine users. Because there's a song

1001
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,679
called cocaine Talking. Well, that song became you could be mine.

1002
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: So the lyric with your bitch slap rapping and your

1003
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:35,559
cocaine tongue you get nothing done that appears in the

1004
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,119
inner sleeve of Appetite for Destruction.

1005
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I was hoping to blow your mind with that.

1006
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: I am sorry. I know it's it's tragic, but if

1007
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,440
you look at the liner notes for use your Illusion,

1008
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:48,360
it's got ain't hit.

1009
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:52,199
Speaker 1: Fun, which they later play on the Spaghetti Incident.

1010
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: Yep, this one in the In the lyrics, they do

1011
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,519
a special thanks to Bernie Topin and Elton John, and

1012
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,119
then they have a lie in the song that says

1013
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,440
we've seen that movie too. This is a reference to

1014
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,760
the Elton John song I've seen that movie Too from

1015
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,280
the album Goodbye yellbrick ro.

1016
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, cool. So you mentioned that line bitschlap

1017
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,159
rabbin and cocaine tongue and get nothing done was in

1018
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:19,039
the liner notes for Guns n' Roses first album, Appetite

1019
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:19,559
for Destruction.

1020
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: Huh.

1021
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,159
Speaker 1: You should have seen my friend's eyes fall out of

1022
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,199
his head when I pointed that out back in ninety one.

1023
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,280
So we're sitting around as people used to do, right,

1024
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,719
and we'd pop in our CDs and we were listening

1025
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,400
to it. He's like, what is he saying? There? As

1026
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,679
soon as I spelled it out what he was saying,

1027
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,480
his eyes got big. He's like, that's in the line

1028
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:40,599
or rose for appetite.

1029
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, that's awesome. So you want to

1030
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,480
talk about the video on this one? Sure, So we

1031
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,639
of course get Terminator all over the place, right, But

1032
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,599
in the video, the terminator is after Guns and Roses.

1033
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,679
Speaker 1: Yes, he's terminating excellent.

1034
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: So shows him. It shows a bunch of clips from

1035
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,679
the movie, of course, and then it shows him at

1036
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,760
the concert and he's in the front row, and then

1037
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,079
he goes backstage and he's doing his little you know,

1038
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:08,000
computer analysis on everybody and basically ends up with a

1039
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:09,519
decision waste of Ammo.

1040
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: You know what song this replaced in the Terminator. The

1041
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,039
song that was originally in that spot was I Want

1042
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,079
to be Sedated by the remotes, and when Arnold was

1043
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,719
able to recruit guns n' Roses and get them to

1044
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,280
produce something quickly enough to put in the movie, they

1045
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,480
replaced it with you Could Be Mine. Good cool, Yeah,

1046
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,840
great song, fun song. I associated a lot with Terminator two.

1047
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:37,039
Flashback to our Terminator two episode that we did this

1048
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:41,039
summer versus Terminator one on Let's move on. Okay, okay,

1049
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,800
So this brings us to Don't Cry, the alternate.

1050
00:56:44,480 --> 00:57:36,639
Speaker 4: Version yet.

1051
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,079
Speaker 2: Now, Russ mentioned that he liked the lyrics better in

1052
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,360
this version than in the version from usual Earls.

1053
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: One right, what do you think? I don't really care

1054
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,079
because I listened to music. It is different. It does

1055
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,960
strike my ear differently. I think I got to stick

1056
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,159
with the one I'm more familiar with, So I'm I'm

1057
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,320
going to take the one off USUALLYS one. But I

1058
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,760
do think it's fascinating how Axel came up with this.

1059
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,559
He said, Hey, guys, there's something happening in my brain

1060
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,480
when you play Don't Cry. I've got these words appearing

1061
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,519
in my head so roll tape, and he just riffed

1062
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:59,559
these lyrics and the music is the same from this

1063
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,519
beautiful songs. I love them both. It's the same song.

1064
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:03,920
It's just different lyrics. What do you think?

1065
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I like the one that I'm

1066
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,840
used to, which is off of usually Illusion one, but

1067
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,320
this is still scrat It's a beautiful song. Beautiful song

1068
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,800
is a beautiful song on there twice this one.

1069
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:15,199
Speaker 6: That's right.

1070
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,599
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the alternate to h November Ring. Okay.

1071
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,639
The last song on Usual Lusion two HU is called

1072
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,760
my World you want to seven.

1073
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: And five World.

1074
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:30,559
Speaker 10: It's just stay up the place in the real world.

1075
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:32,519
Speaker 6: How many songs.

1076
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,039
Speaker 1: Can't show what the crap I want to?

1077
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: Is this? This is their attempt at rap? Gangster rap?

1078
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:41,880
Is that what this is?

1079
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,719
Speaker 1: The story is is that Axel was into nine inch

1080
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,440
Nails and progressive rock and it sounds like rap. And

1081
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,559
you know, n w A and body Count had been

1082
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,519
on the tour with them, so maybe they had some influence.

1083
00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:03,159
I don't really know. It's just he's weird, dude.

1084
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: It it doesn't belong on this album, right.

1085
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,679
Speaker 1: Axel finished this in three hours he was on mushrooms

1086
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:15,079
when he did it, so you know that could be

1087
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:18,119
a factor. Sure, sure, so listen to this. This is

1088
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:19,880
so how crazy ac is?

1089
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,119
Speaker 4: Right?

1090
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: Axel believes that Duff actually likes the song. Duff has

1091
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,159
said I like the song. He thinks that Slash just

1092
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,599
said that, so Axel would put it on the album

1093
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,920
and then people would hate it. It's the double secret

1094
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:40,159
probation thing. Okay, is he hated this and in fact,

1095
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:41,400
he didn't even know it was going to be on

1096
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,480
the album until the albums were like printed and handed

1097
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,639
to him. And when he listened, he's like, what the

1098
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,079
F is this? How did this get on there?

1099
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,559
Speaker 2: Right? I'll see you guys later.

1100
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has never been performed live and this is

1101
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,360
considered a completely Axel song and scene. Okay, this song

1102
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:01,920
is awful. Needs to go.

1103
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did slease you that. I love. I love

1104
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,239
bands who are smart enough to tempole their songs put

1105
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,119
a great finish on it, and they totally watched this one.

1106
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm a Rocket Queen is a great finish to appetite.

1107
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:14,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1108
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,199
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk black versus. Use your allusion to

1109
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,760
one versus, use your allusion two. Rank them one, two, three,

1110
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,480
Race st Go.

1111
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a lot more torn than I thought I

1112
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,559
would be, right, I like it's coming into this. I'm like,

1113
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,880
without hesitation, black love it. Okay, I can't. You can't

1114
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,119
beat it. Okay. I listened to it over and over

1115
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:38,599
and over again. I had forgotten how good use your

1116
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:43,360
Allusion two is. It's really really good, and so I

1117
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,360
got to look at it here and I got to say, Okay,

1118
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,199
civil War huge winner, Yesterday's really dang good. Knocking on

1119
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,239
Heaven's door huge. It doesn't make it. It's close, it's

1120
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,760
a lot closer than I thought. But I've got to say,

1121
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,400
top album of the three has to be Black. User

1122
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,199
Allusion two is a close second. User Allusion one is

1123
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:08,440
a distant third.

1124
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. I think I think that's fair. And

1125
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:13,360
I'm glad that you that we move the needle for

1126
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,960
you a little bit, for sure. Okay, So here's how

1127
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,840
I rank them.

1128
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,519
Speaker 2: If I'm walking out the door, I'm going on a

1129
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,079
road trip, I can grab one of these.

1130
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,239
Speaker 1: My first choice is Usual Lusion two.

1131
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: Okay.

1132
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:28,239
Speaker 1: It's diverse, it's beautiful, it rocks, there's so many great

1133
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,239
songs on it. It's just it really works for me.

1134
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,800
Next one is the Black album. Side one of the

1135
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Black album is all Killer, no Filler. There are some

1136
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,960
songs on the backside that aren't as good to me,

1137
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:47,320
but there's so many wonderful, beautiful, heavy melodic metallica songs.

1138
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:50,400
And then, like you usual Illusion one is kind of

1139
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,159
a distant third.

1140
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1141
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: We reached out to our buddy Brando who runs the

1142
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:58,039
Appetite for Distortion podcast and it's just a guns and

1143
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,960
Roses podcast, and so we asked him to weigh in

1144
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:03,360
what he thinks about the User Illusion albums, and here's

1145
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,119
what he had to say.

1146
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 12: September seventeenth, nineteen ninety one. Where was I when User

1147
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,519
Illusion one and two came out? Was I at Tower

1148
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:13,920
Records midnight ready to buy them? Well, if I was

1149
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,239
old enough, I would have. I was eight, so probably

1150
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,199
seeing Secret of the Ooze and Nature Turtles two movie

1151
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,119
for the lyteenth time, asking my parents to take me

1152
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:22,559
to that. So I was too young. But as soon

1153
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,400
as I was cognizant of Guns and Roses and I

1154
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,960
saw especially November Rain, specifically November Rain an MTV, it

1155
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:30,639
changed my life forever. And as soon as I can

1156
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:33,480
buy my own CDs. You bet I bought User Illusion

1157
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,679
one first. I couldn't afford too right away because one

1158
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,159
had November Rain. These are albums I listened to well

1159
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,920
thirty years later, and it bothers me when people say

1160
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,239
it should have been one record. No way, for a

1161
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,039
variety of reasons. If you chip away at anything that

1162
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:50,199
these records had, it takes away from the exact reason

1163
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,519
why we're still talking about it thirty years later. Even

1164
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:55,920
My World, yes, even My World. My world is a

1165
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,039
precursor to Chinese democracy. Think about that one. But it's

1166
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:03,079
a it's a perfect road trip soundtrack. It has aged beautifully,

1167
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:06,360
it really has. From the artwork, each song could mean

1168
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,920
something to you different at different times of your life.

1169
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,360
Guns of Rosies, Use Your Illusion too. There are no

1170
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:13,960
other records that we're going to talk about in another

1171
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:14,639
thirty years.

1172
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: Think about that.

1173
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 12: If you're like me thirty eight years old, I'll be

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talking about Use Your Illusion one and two when I'm

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sixty eight old. That huh, But I'm only sixty eight,

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you know what I mean, young and hard only twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: If you if you know the records, you know what

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my terrible joke is about. Because brilliant albums, and Axel

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famously said in one of his interviews to Kurt Loder

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that he wanted to bury Appetite, that he wanted to

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go through use your Illusion one and two with a

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fine tooth comb. I think he did that. He went

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through it with a fine tooth comb. And I think

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as a whole, use your illusion one and two, whatever

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you prefer, as a whole, I think he buried Appetite.

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Speaker 2: And Mike Drop. He came strong with that, didn't he?

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It was strong. Yeah, I want to kill Appetite for

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destruction and it did. There you go, I mean he

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mentioned and a few things in there. I mean he

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called it life changing, you know, November Rain one of

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his favorite songs of all time, and that my world

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is something that should be cherished and included. It's pretty strong. Yeah,

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I love it. I love the strong take. I don't

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know that I agree with everything that he said, but

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I surely liked the way that he said. It's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: Brando, Thank you very much. If you guys like guns

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n' Roses, you need to check out his podcast, Appetite

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for Distortion. He's a big guns n' Roses guy, and

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we asked him on as a g n R expert, Brando,

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thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Here's the one thing that I will say that I

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totally agree with. This will be an album that we're

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still listening to thirty years from now.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right too.

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Speaker 2: I think you're lute.

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Speaker 1: November Rain is time less.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thanks very much man. That was great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brando. Now, we would definitely want to hear from

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our listeners. Where do you guys rank these three?

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Speaker 2: Right? And you mentioned this. You mentioned this, so if

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you took the twelve best on user Illusion one and

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two and put that against the black album, so I think,

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I mean this is I don't want to delve too

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deeply into this, but we've got to have dust and Bones, right,

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We've got to have Live and Let Die. We've got

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to have probably both versions of Don't Cry. I would

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pick Double Talking Jive certainly November Rain. A lot of

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people would say The Garden, and then of course you've

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got Civil War Yesterday is knocking to Heaven's door, Locomotive Estranged,

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and you've got to finish the album with you could

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be mine. Yeah, absolutely, that's a really strong album. If

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you took the greatest hits. Of these two, I would

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have to say that Guns N' Roses beats out Black Album.

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Speaker 1: Slam Donk, I'm spiking the football on that one. The

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twelve best songs from Use Your Illusion that album is

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better than the Black Album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Tell us what you think, guys. Check

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us out on Twitter at Shirley Podcast. Check out our

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Facebook page. We're constantly putting stuff up there just to

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be silly, but also some good questions and don't forget

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to leave a review. Ask us any question you want

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if we will answer it on our next episode. Okay,

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another great take. There's so much smart stuff going on here.

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Speaker 1: Branda, thank you for taking the time to do that

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for us. They run a great podcast over there, Appetite

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for Distortion For you Denzi Roses fans.

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Speaker 2: Guys, be sure to hit that subscribe button so that

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you can hear our next episode. We're going to be

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covering some major horror movies come October. We're going to

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be hitting m versus Silence of the Lamps. M is

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a movie from nineteen thirty one. This is definitely the

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oldest movie we've ever covered, right, but it's fantastic. It's

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part of a Ozzy Osbourne video Mister Tinkertrain, which we covered.

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That's how we came across it. Yeah, we think it

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fits so em versus Silence of the Lambs. We've got

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American Werewolf in London versus the Howling Bill turning forty

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this year, fantastic movies. Can't wait to get into that.

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Be sure and check those out.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you here next week on the Surely you

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can't be serious podcasting