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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: This would have had them in a pretty bloody scene.

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The body had like close to forty some stablings, and

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so somebody to see all that would be probably a

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lot to take airs.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, we got a doozy for you today. I

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think you're gonna like it. It's gonna feel like the

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old days. This is episode two hundred and seventy three

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of Certain Scale, a show that reveals that the worst

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monsters are real. I hate to be that guy, but

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we do have mouths to feed out here. We're not

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state sponsored like that communist NPR. So check out our

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: About thirty miles south of downtown Chicago, is the birthplace

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of Michael Jackson. Gary, Indiana, nicknamed the Magic City for

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its technological advancements in the nineteen sixties, Gary is mostly

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known for being the most significant contributor of steel manufacturing

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in the United States. The city's main steel mill, named

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Gary Works, is the largest steel manufacturing plant in the country.

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At its peak, the city had more than two hundred

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thousand people living there since the nineteen sixties, though Gary

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has seen a steep population decline. What was once a

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bustling city brimming with innovation has largely become a place

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of abandonment and rural decay, much like a lot of

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cities throughout the US, especially in the last four years.

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It has since been dubbed the most miserable city in America.

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But plenty of people still live in Gary, Indiana. Many

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people call it home. The population currently sits at about

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seventy thousand. Back in the late spring of twenty fourteen,

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the year that Sword and Scale started, I might add,

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there was a young woman living in Gary who was

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excited to share some big news with her family. This

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young lady told her mother, father, and two older sisters

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that she was pregnant with twins.

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Speaker 5: While I was the oldest or as the Midland during

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the eight or so.

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Speaker 6: That's a cf one and I had back. He didn't

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have any. So she found out that she was pregnant.

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They think you know, you know she.

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Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, thirty six year old Geraldine Jones worked

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as a census surveyor in Gary, Indiana. She had grown

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up in tight knit Christian family and seemed thrilled to

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tell her two older sisters, April and Tamiko, that she

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was pregnant with twins. Sadly, that exciting announcement was followed

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up with some tragic news. A few months later, Geraldine

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told her sisters that one of her babies had died.

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After Geraldine broke the news about the loss of one

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of her babies, she seemed to fall into a deep depression.

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Then came the day that Geraldine was supposed to give

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birth to her surviving baby.

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Speaker 7: That more than I've heard from her.

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Speaker 6: And then I didn't That Monday, I didn't hear from her.

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Speaker 5: In a war So I call. I called, like with

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a little you know. April Abel was like, well, she

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was leaving work trying to get to that foo. So,

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but the thing is, she didn't.

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Speaker 6: Tell us what happened.

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Speaker 5: She was ever so by this time I.

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Speaker 6: Left work, you know, my dad's.

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Speaker 5: Here, his wife is here, her sisters, and so we

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are kind.

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Speaker 6: Of right around trying to re out what happened.

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Speaker 5: When we lay find her at we caught up to

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North Lake and called. We went out to South late

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because we were already in that area, and then we

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went over to home of the hospital and they had

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no where about.

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Speaker 1: Geraldine's family and friends frantically tried to find out what

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hospital Geraldine had gone to, but they never could. Geraldine

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was missing.

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Speaker 6: Did she ever tell you who the baby?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we know who?

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Speaker 5: Double was twenty years Randy.

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Speaker 1: For much of her life, Geraldine was unlucky in love,

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but in March of twenty fourteen, her luck seemed to

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change when she met a young man named Randy Garrett.

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Speaker 7: My first time meeting Randy was last year or Rochester.

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time meeting him when she when he came to the

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wind and with my sister.

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Speaker 1: As far as to Miko and April could tell, Randy

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seemed like a good, respectable guy, and Geraldine was clearly

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all in on her relationship with him. Unfortunately, after only

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a few months of dating, Randy broke things off with Geraldine.

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Speaker 9: Started out, you told me you met her back around.

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Speaker 10: March into March last year.

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Speaker 9: Okay, we're dating.

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Speaker 11: But I started finding out more things about he was

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kind of being dissionest about something, kind of turning the off,

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things like that it just kept getting up and not

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not jigging, so kind of cut it off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Randy ended the relationship, but he couldn't completely walk

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away from Geraldine. A few weeks after the breakup with her,

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Randy was told that Geraldine was pregnant with twins and

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that he was the fun.

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Speaker 9: How soon after that did she say she was pregnant?

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Speaker 11: Had she called me like at the end of of

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that year and told me she was.

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Speaker 9: So, that's about three months after you made.

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Speaker 1: After learning that he was going to be a dad,

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Randy naturally committed himself to the role, even though he

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had no plans of continuing a romantic relationship with Geraldine.

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and good for him, we need a lot more of that.

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A few months after she told everyone about the pregnancy,

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her sister and friends through a baby shower for Geraldine

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and Randy attended.

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Speaker 9: Actually went. It was actually a nice child. It was

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a nice shower. I think her friends put it on

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for to hand it off, decorated and she had fine.

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Speaker 11: Garrett's girls thought, I'm like, wow.

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Speaker 1: This extravagant baby shower was fun. It was a happy

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time for everyone involved. Unfortunately, the good times didn't last.

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A few months later, Geraldine told her sisters and Randy

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that one of her babies had died. Geraldine slipped into

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a deep depression, and when the day came for Geraldine

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to give birth to the surviving baby, nobody could find her.

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't know what's going on. She okay, you know,

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I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Left work early. So it was a big mess today

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that we thought that she was wanted to have or

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had lost night. We never did fire her.

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Speaker 1: Thirty six year old Geraldine Jones was missing and her

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two sisters, Tomko and April were very concerned. Meanwhile, about

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two hundred miles south of Geraldine's home, there was another

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woman who was having problems of her own.

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Speaker 12: Nine when long words your emergency, ten West claith Street, Anderson, Indiana,

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going on there, I got some random test message and

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my girlfriend kind of came off of suicidal, and I

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was just wondering if you could send someone out there

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at check Lawrence, are you not and down? You know,

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I'm not on the Noblesville all right? What's your name, Phila?

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Her name Samantha Fleming. Samantha Fleming, Yes, And what you

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say in the text something about who was tired of

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all this shit, who didn't want to deal with it anymore.

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She was talking about her mother, and mother just came

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over or just kind of totally Random's never been to

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the title before, but I prefer to be safe.

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Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, twenty three year old Samantha Fleming was

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living in an apartment with her boyfriend in Anderson, Indiana.

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In March of that year, Samantha gave birth to a

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baby girl that she named Serenity. About a month later,

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April sixth, twenty fifteen, Samantha's boyfriend went to the Anderson

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Police Department and reported that Samantha and Serenity, we're missing my.

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Speaker 10: Understanding that you reported to the place that you're.

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Speaker 13: Ristmas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and her name was Samantha, Samantha yes, describer.

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Speaker 14: Jimmy, How how how was she.

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Speaker 13: Birth?

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Speaker 6: Uh July eighteenth, nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Ninety three, Samantha and her boyfriend Rainie Stanley had only

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dated for less than a year, and Rainie wasn't the

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father of Samantha's newborn baby girl. The couple met online

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just a few weeks after Samantha learned that she was pregnant.

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They quickly became close, though, and moved into an apartment together.

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After the birth of Serenity, Rainie planned to formally adopt

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the child.

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Speaker 13: Tell of you and Samantha together?

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Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, proud about eight?

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Speaker 13: Help do.

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Speaker 2: I never probably for about welling talk for about a

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Speaker 13: So what do we talked? We talked on.

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Speaker 6: Online chat app. Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 13: Do you hear Joe?

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Speaker 1: Me?

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Speaker 13: Did not? Did?

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Speaker 10: She just did? The twenty fourth of March, What's what's this?

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Speaker 13: What's this?

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Speaker 10: Jos name Serenity?

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Speaker 1: Funny, Samantha and her baby girl were reported missing. Unfortunately,

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since Samantha was an adult and presumably with her child,

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an Amber alert could not be sent out. Just didn't fit.

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Samantha's mom began handing out flyers asking everyone and anyone

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to help her find Samantha. On those flyers, she wrote

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the following. According to her boyfriend, Samantha and Serenity disappeared

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from their home and Anderson, Indiana, on Monday sixth, around

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twelve to fifty pm. Samantha left with only a few diapers,

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one sleeper, and some formula. Nobody has had any contact

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with Samantha. Her wallet was found near Fifth Street in Gary, Indiana.

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We suspect foul play. Eventually, the local media picked up

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on this story and began reporting about the disappearance of

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Samantha and her baby tonight.

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Speaker 8: On the night Dde Anderson's leis are searching for a

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missing mother and her infant. Samantha and Serenity Fleming were

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last seen Monday morning.

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Speaker 11: Twenty three year old Samantha Fleming and her newborn Serenity

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were reported missing by her boyfriend. Earlier this month.

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Speaker 1: Two Indiana women, Geraldine Jones and Samantha Fleming, went missing.

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They lived nearly two hundred miles apart and seemed to

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have no connection to each other at all. The only

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similarity they shared was that Geraldine was expecting a baby

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in Samantha just had a baby. Weird For Indiana investigators,

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this was a baffling case that only became more bizarre

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and troubling as the events unfolded. As the police worked

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to make sense of things, so two did Geraldine's sisters. Ultimately,

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their paths converged. On the same day and at about

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the same time, Geraldine's sisters and police investigators came upon

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a horrific scene.

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Speaker 13: Together.

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Speaker 1: It came upon the aftermath of a brutal and senseless murder.

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In April of twenty fifteen, twenty three year old Samantha

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Fleming and her three week old daughter, Serenity were reported

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missing by Samantha's boyfriend, Rainie Stanley. Samantha and Rainey lived

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together in an apartment in Anderson, Indiana. According to Rainey,

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on the last day that Samantha went missing, a mysterious

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woman came to his apartment, claiming to be a case

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manager for Child Protective Services, which is also known as CPS.

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If you've paid attention to any episode in the last

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ten years, so did she.

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Speaker 6: Disappeared Monday about twelve fifty So.

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Speaker 10: This past Monday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: What did she do? How does she leave?

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Speaker 13: All? Right?

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Speaker 2: Caseworker camp in my house? I opened the door. She

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identified herself as a case manager. She was here to

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do a surprise visit. She looks she's yours in business life.

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Speaker 13: She let herself in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can ever consent to walk into my house.

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She takes it upon herself to sit down at my table.

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Speaker 12: Didn't get her in good.

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Speaker 10: She just says he was a case manager with DC's good.

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Speaker 13: I told her.

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Speaker 10: Samantha was sleeping. She told me I needed to wake

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Speaker 6: No, I didn't go on the way at Samantha.

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Speaker 2: Samantha gets up and then she went on to mention

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a cinemata to courtate.

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Speaker 10: Never seen him before in my life.

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Speaker 1: Rainny explained to investigators that Serenity wasn't Samantha's only child.

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Samantha also had a son named Stephen. Before meeting and

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ultimately living with Rainie, Samantha had dated a different man.

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Allegedly that relationship was abusive.

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Speaker 2: Supposedly, he held her, her friend and the baby seamen

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hostage in his house and wouldn't let him go.

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Speaker 10: Punsibly, he'd beat her. I guess she done it a

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couple of times and the comp's been called out. At

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that time, he was.

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Speaker 2: One called criminal confinement. Was charged criminal confinement for holding

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Prent hostage.

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Speaker 1: With leonter Bleed after several domestic incidents. At court ruled

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that Samantha and her ex were unfit parents, so Samantha's

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son was placed into foster care. That ruling left Samantha

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completely devastated. She knew that she was and could continue

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to be a good mother in her mind, so she

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broke up with her boyfriend, moved out of their apartment

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and began doing everything she could to regain custody of

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her son.

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Speaker 13: She will show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because she has to meet certain standards before she

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get a sumback. She has to meet with a therapists,

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me with a case manager.

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Speaker 1: Given Samantha's child custody situation, it wasn't unusual for case

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managers from Child Protective Services to just randomly show up

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at Samantha's home. So Rainie claimed that he didn't find

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it strange or suspicious that this woman showed up at

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his door asking to see Samantha. Supposedly, this woman told

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Samantha that there was a scheduling mix up in that

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Samantha was due in court later that day. She explained

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that a hearing was going to be held about her son.

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In fact, a judge could rule that Samantha's son should

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be released from foster care and could go home with

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Samantha on that very day. Big news.

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Speaker 2: She starts getting everything ready and help her clean out

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a bottle so she has a double of bottles to

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take you whether she gets the thri She was getting

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ready to go with her because this lady told her

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she has a court at three Lot and Gary, Indiana.

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Speaker 13: She get brought.

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Speaker 2: She was taking her girl, Frid. I don't think to ask.

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DCS comes around all the time. It's kind of normal.

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They're allowed to take her places.

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Speaker 10: I don't think much of.

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Speaker 6: It until I got outside.

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Speaker 2: And what's funny is this lady came into holding up

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folder of paperwork.

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Speaker 5: So she exactly, you know, she had.

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Speaker 10: These papers for a reason.

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Speaker 2: It's something to do with samanthas So she was trying

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to look professionally.

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Speaker 10: She did a decent job of it.

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Speaker 2: She knew more than what you would think someone else

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would know.

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Speaker 13: Could talk to that she's been able to do.

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Speaker 10: She sounds well did. She knows a lot about the case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my understanding is that they won't release that

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information to visit anybody.

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Speaker 6: She knew about Stephen.

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Speaker 1: According to Rainie, this CPS worker knew a lot about

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Samantha and her case. She seemed completely legitimate and suggested

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that Samantha should bring her baby daughter to the court hearing.

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Speaker 13: And then she says something wizard.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, she told her she had to take the time.

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It looked good for the judge.

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Speaker 1: Rainie explained that Samantha was excited about the prospect of

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getting her son back, so he helped to pack a

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baby bag. A few moments later, Samantha, Serenity and this

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mysterious CPS worker, whoever she was, walked out the door.

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Rainie followed them outside, and it was only after he

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saw the caseworker's car that he started to think something

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about this situation just didn't feel right. The car was

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a white Ford Sedan, which wasn't unusual for a caseworker

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to drive, but Rainie noticed that the tag on her

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license plate was expired. Now that's odd. Rainy claimed that

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he didn't say anything about the tag, but he took

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a mental note of it and later wrote down the

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license plate number.

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Speaker 15: Who are admitted the personal cast this plate the play

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number U gave us for in the end in two thousand.

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It was inspired right, was expired and that cars in

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there's white.

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Speaker 13: People that said they didn't even to renew the plate.

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Speaker 2: The players, I said, on attack, but they still have

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the play.

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Speaker 10: They just didn't renew it. And they liked it because

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his wife subverse.

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Speaker 7: So they got to play, and they talked.

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Speaker 13: To both parties.

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder if I didn't get the plate number,

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all you could.

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Speaker 1: Have When the police followed up on that license plate number,

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the one that Rainey gave them. It led them to

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a middle aged couple who clearly had no involvement with

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Samantha Fleming at all. Essentially, Rainy sent the cops on

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a wild goose chase, which called his story in the question. Still,

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the police knew that Rainy was telling the truth about

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the CPS worker because Samantha and Rainey's neighbor also saw

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the one. In fact, this neighbor led her into the

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apartment building.

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Speaker 16: She said she was from CPS, and I showed her

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upstairs and she had a paperwork, like, you know, a folder,

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a briefcase, stuff like that. She was dressed professionally. She looked,

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you know, like somebody who worked for CPS or something.

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Speaker 1: The police also determined that whoever this woman was, she

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did not work for Child Protective Services. The CPS office

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and Anderson confirmed that there was no court hearings or

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home visitations scheduled for Samantha Fleming. One theory that investigators

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entertained was that this whole thing might have been orchestrated

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by Samantha. Maybe she arranged to have this fake government

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worker show up at the apartment so she and her

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baby could leave and escape another abusive relationship. But Rainy

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didn't come off as the abusive type, and he seemed

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to genuinely care about Samantha.

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Speaker 10: Not that makes any dance sense that she's working for me.

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Speaker 2: Wards, the only thing that's off was a suicidal time,

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and like she said, she just needed to. Then I cold,

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I don't want about it, and then I.

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Speaker 10: Canceled the golf.

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Speaker 1: Samantha Fleming went missing on April sixth, twenty fifteen, and

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by April sixteenth, there was still no sign of her

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and no news about who the fakes CPS worker was. Meanwhile,

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back in Gary, Indiana, the family of Geraldine Jones was

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finally able to find and make contact with Geraldine.

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Speaker 17: Both of her.

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Speaker 1: Sisters had frantically tried to find Geraldine on the day

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she was supposed to give birth, but they could never

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find out which hospital she went.

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Speaker 6: To General Act.

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Speaker 5: At this point, she wasn't talking to that anymore yet.

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I guess understand, you know, you know Wenerneder.

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Speaker 1: When Geraldine first announced that she was pregnant, she told

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her family that she was going to be having twins. Later,

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she told her family that one of her babies had died.

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Somehow in her womb. The other one's fine, but this

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one's dead. How does that work? And that nobody seemed

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to care that she lost one of her children.

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Speaker 17: Woe is me?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, You'll never believe how hard it is

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to be a mother, especially if they're currents.

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Speaker 7: She wasn't talking to us, so all of a sudden,

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you know, she said, out a bad text message to

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It was a big text, get involved with my sister,

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my dad, me and and she said she didn't mean it.

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But I call and told that. Well, you know, I

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think it's not that message. I said, but you know,

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everybody was acting out of being concerned, you know, I

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told her, I said, you know that's not a message

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you send the people, but that's concerned about you. I said,

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you know, people only act out to be a concern,

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especially if it's a family member.

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Speaker 12: You haven't a baby, right.

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Speaker 1: Geraldine made amends with her two older sisters. Both of

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them were eager to meet their new niece. They wanted

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to see Geraldine's new baby girl.

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Speaker 7: A couple of days later, I said, and I said,

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you know what, you know, I try and tell her.

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I said, well, I I guaid I want to come

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see the baby. So you know, I went back there,

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me and my daughters.

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Speaker 13: We go by there, and so do you know about

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when the first time you saw the baby was?

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Speaker 1: That Monday, Tamiko visited Geraldine's home and met with the baby.

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A few days later, Geraldine's older sister, April did the same.

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Speaker 6: She finally said, you want to talk, So she changed

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my job with Bella.

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Speaker 5: I living baby, and I wasn't there right to golf.

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Speaker 6: So I told Toya to kill her.

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Speaker 10: I was shipping her out.

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Speaker 6: I told Toy to kill her.

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Speaker 5: I'll be home in about an hour.

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Speaker 4: Told Hi about the house, my house.

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Speaker 8: My partment?

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Speaker 6: Really is she in my apartment? And broke Bella. We

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talked and she apologies at Grabians. She came by, which.

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Speaker 1: Geraldine reconnected with her family. Her sisters, April and Tamiko

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were thrilled to meet their new niece. In a perfect world,

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this would have been a happy occasion, but this certainly

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wasn't a perfect world. April and Tamiko noticed that Geraldine

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wasn't acting like herself. She was distant and strange. Something

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was clearly bothering her. There was also another and much

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bigger problem, the baby that Geraldine introduced to her family

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didn't belong to her. In case you haven't figured it out,

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that baby belonged to Samantha Fleming. In the late spring

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of twenty fifteen, thirty six year old Geraldine Jones told

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her family that she had given birth to a new

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baby girl. Geraldine named the baby Bella and introduced Bella

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to her older sisters, April and Tamiko. After they met

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the baby, Geraldine did something strange. She left Bella with

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her sister April and flew to Texas.

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Speaker 5: Let's she usually telling her that she's ready to pressed

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and the people.

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Speaker 6: And they've always been a first like.

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Speaker 5: The whole part of or you know.

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Speaker 1: Geraldine told her family that she was severely depressed and

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she wanted to be with her mom, who was living

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in Texas, so she left her home of Gary, Indiana,

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without her baby and flew to her mom's house. Once there,

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Geraldine tried to kill herself by taking an overdose of

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sleeping pills. Thankfully, her mom was home at the time

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she found Geraldine was able to call for help before

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the worst happened.

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Speaker 3: Anything else I need to add she never said anything

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about wanting to hurt her son anything like that.

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Speaker 10: The thing, I had been sick and I just wasn't

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able to get there.

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Speaker 12: I really don't know anything in which she lost the baby.

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Speaker 8: She wouldn't contact anybody, Yeah, not even no family, remember,

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so I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 1: About after this failed suicide tempt, Geraldine was committed to

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a mental hospital in Texas. Her mom assumed that the

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loss of one of her babies, and perhaps the postpartum

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depression that came with the living baby, had caused Geraldine

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to do what she did. Meanwhile, back in Indiana, Geraldine's

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two sisters were starting to realize that this whole situation

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it was a little weird.

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Speaker 13: Right when she left. Did you guys feel like something was?

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I mean, not that, but did you guys?

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Speaker 3: Was you guys still like thinking, man, something is wrong here,

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like the saying all, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that was wrong.

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Speaker 7: But I just I was kind of upset because I

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was thinking that, you know, my thing was she had

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just had a baby, and then she didn't tip off

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to texts and I said, is a new baby? That's

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that was my main thing. I was upset that she

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had left the baby, right. I just thought maybe you know, right,

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people and some women go to the postpartum I thought

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maybe that was it.

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Speaker 1: Geraldine's oldest sister, Tomiko, was mostly able to chuck things

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up to postpartum depression, but Geraldine's other sister, April wasn't

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satisfied with that. Na no, no, no no. In an

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effort to hopefully make sense of things, April decided to

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go to Geraldine's house in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: And so then you went to Geraldine's house. Yeah, okay,

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what were you going there for?

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Speaker 13: Exactly? Della galwa okay. And then Tomiko showed up.

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Speaker 3: She kind of said this, and she wasn't saying nothing

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about it, but she said, April is the one that

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will dig for information.

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Speaker 13: I'm the one that just kind of stand by.

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Speaker 3: This was after you guys had received the call that

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Geraldine tried to commit suicide.

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Speaker 13: That was all that.

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Speaker 18: That's because I feel like something must have happened and

480
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,960
soon had to happen where she felt at no point

481
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
of return. So I need to figure out what I'm

482
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getting myself.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what's going on.

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00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: April arrived at Geraldine's house and she brought along the

485
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new baby. A short while later, Tamiko showed up there

486
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as well. As soon as they walked in the house,

487
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they knew something was wrong. They found empty bleach bottles

488
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,920
scattered on the floor, and there was an unexplainable eeriness

489
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,519
about the place. Everything just felt off.

490
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Speaker 5: So she was just saying, it was just things that

491
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were there that just didn't really April here. And so

492
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when I sat elegent, it's on the table, you know,

493
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,519
on the couch, I was looking.

494
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,799
Speaker 6: So she's, you know, she shows me the bucket and.

495
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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was bleach and.

496
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 19: Mullane and stuff in there.

497
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Speaker 5: And far as the kitchen anything, I don't, you know,

498
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I just wanted to wash a bottle and.

499
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Speaker 10: I set that bottle on the counter.

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Speaker 6: But and I know it didn't know right, had I

501
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,319
known that it might have been something, then.

502
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,279
Speaker 1: I got my head hig for April and Tomiko. Perhaps

503
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,000
the most unsettling thing about Geraldine's house was a smell,

504
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:15,319
A rank scent of rotting flesh mixed with pungent chemicals

505
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,440
and bleach filled the house.

506
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Speaker 5: And then like when I came in there and I

507
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,839
was sitting there, I mean, you know, like you know,

508
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,559
when the dark he came out, and it didn't it

509
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,039
didn't really smell like dark.

510
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,119
Speaker 6: It smelt like something else, that is the pul damp.

511
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,519
Speaker 5: And she said she's been up, but it was like

512
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,599
she just like it is.

513
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,279
Speaker 16: Yea other than the weird snows or anything out.

514
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: Of the house that she served well, my sisters, no

515
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,440
and well. And once she pointed out, I looked at

516
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:55,079
the table, it was like a leech or and all

517
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:56,279
the other stuff in there.

518
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,759
Speaker 8: I don't know.

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00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: Why did you think that?

520
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:02,799
Speaker 9: What made you think that?

521
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: She said that? Little things?

522
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,039
Speaker 10: I mean, whatever you noticed like.

523
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,079
Speaker 6: This just a snail burst of all.

524
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,799
Speaker 5: Into right, I don't know it by human.

525
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,559
Speaker 1: April and Tomiko spent some time looking around the house,

526
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,359
but they never could locate the source of the awful smell.

527
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,160
A short while later, April left while Tomiko remained at

528
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,519
Geraldine's house with the baby.

529
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 13: Where did she say she was going.

530
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 7: To wire my nephews the money because he was coming

531
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,839
He lived in Chicago and he was just coming home.

532
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,279
Speaker 1: As Tamiko waited in Geraldine's house, she looked out a

533
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,279
window and noticed that a black car was slowly and

534
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:55,279
repeatedly driving by the home. It seemed like the driver

535
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,839
was lost in trying to find Geraldine's address.

536
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: The banking and first time, I was sitting there outside

537
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,000
of the black carve pad.

538
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: And I just.

539
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 13: You know.

540
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 5: But then when I come back again and he had

541
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the police officers walking.

542
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,519
Speaker 1: It turned out that the black car belonged to the

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00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,160
lead investigator who was trying to find Samantha Fleming. Through

544
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,799
sheer coincidence, his path had converged with Tamiko and they

545
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,799
both arrived at Geraldine's house on the same day.

546
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: At the time, this lady is basically a missing person

547
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,160
until we can, you know, prove otherwise. And we you know,

548
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720
we don't automatically assume something bad, So we're starting on

549
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:48,200
the bottom.

550
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,079
Speaker 13: And we had this block number.

551
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,519
Speaker 3: With that block number come back to Geraldine and I

552
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,240
just unblocked it the night before.

553
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 13: So I called her phone and just said, hey, it's

554
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,759
I told her who I was and what police department

555
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,960
I was. Well, she never answered. I left it on

556
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,240
the board.

557
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask her, you know, I know

558
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,079
you're the one that came that called and you're the

559
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,400
one that came to Anderson to get her. You know,

560
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,079
where is she at? Were you just trying to help

561
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,679
her get away from this guy? Did you know her

562
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,559
from Gary? And this was kind of like a setup.

563
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,079
I was thinking, maybe she just tried to lure him

564
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,920
away from this guy, and Samantha knew about it.

565
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,599
Speaker 13: Samantha still on the run somewhere.

566
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 1: A few days before Samantha went missing, Samantha's mom received

567
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,679
a phone call from a block number. When she answered,

568
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,840
Samantha's mom spoke to a woman claiming to be a

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00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Child Protective Services case manager and this woman was fishing

570
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,599
for information about Samantha. When the police unblocked the phone

571
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:50,639
number that led them to gerald Deine Jones, she was

572
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,440
the fake CPS worker.

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00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,119
Speaker 7: What's so strange? Like I said, I was sitting on

574
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,159
the couch with the baby and I'm talking to her

575
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,559
like she's gonna talk, I said. I said, they must

576
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,599
be looking for somebody, right, But because I had no

577
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,519
food that you you were looking for Burrus address.

578
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,159
Speaker 13: Before, No, just that day.

579
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: I actually come to Gary that day to try to

580
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,599
find Geraldine.

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: When the investigator arrived at Geraldine's house, he met with

582
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Tomiko in the driveway, who then let him into the home.

583
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 13: I could smell the smell.

584
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: You know, you know, I thought it was and this

585
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:32,239
is my aunt.

586
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 7: Because I had never smelled a body before, so I'm thinking, like, Okay,

587
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,639
it's a.

588
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: Dead mountain, right, I mean I smelled that, you know, mice,

589
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,119
but that smell itself would have been uh, there was

590
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:48,119
a lot and it was kind of like it was

591
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,320
kind of like a like I couldn't really tell one

592
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,159
hundred percent it was because there was some chemicals and.

593
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 15: April.

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00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 7: April was like with me, she said, do you smell that?

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,320
I said, And that's I thought.

596
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: Maybe.

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00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: Once inside the house, the investigator performed a search and

598
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,760
he was able to find what Tamiko and April couldn't.

599
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,000
In the back bedroom closet, there was a dead body

600
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:23,400
wrapped in plastic and duct tape. The body had been

601
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,679
folded in half, stuffed into a plastic tote, and was

602
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,440
soaking in a shallow pool of bleach. Unsurprisingly, the body

603
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,360
was later identified as twenty three year old mother of two,

604
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Samantha Fleming, and her death was determined to have been

605
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,159
caused by multiple stab wounds.

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00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: This would have had to have been a pretty bloody scene.

607
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 13: The body had like close to forty some stab wounds, right,

608
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:58,800
and so.

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00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: Somebody to see all that would be probably a lot

610
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,039
to take in, you know, just never dealing with that before, so,

611
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:08,559
you know, that's a lot of stablishings.

612
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,519
Speaker 1: At this point, the truth of the situation started to

613
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:19,639
become apparent to everyone. The baby that Tamiko and April

614
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,199
had been caring for didn't belong to Geraldine. The baby

615
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,480
was Samantha Fleming's missing daughter, Serenity. While disguised as a

616
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:37,519
CPS worker, Geraldine lured Samantha and her baby away from

617
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:43,440
her apartment. Then Geraldine stabbed Samantha to death and claimed

618
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:49,119
the baby as her own. The investigators who were working

619
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,199
on this case had a basic understanding of what had happened,

620
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:58,079
but there are still so many questions, questions that only

621
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:03,480
Geraldine could answer, like why or how did Geraldine choose

622
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Samantha as her victim, how did that happen, what was

623
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,679
a connection between these two women, and obviously why did

624
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Geraldine do all this? After Samantha's body was discovered, Geraldine

625
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,639
was promptly found in Texas and arrested a few days later.

626
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,800
She was transported back to Indiana, where investigators attempted to

627
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,480
question her.

628
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 20: All this says, right here is just as you understand

629
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,559
what your rights are, right.

630
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,119
Speaker 10: It's not saying you're waving the rights.

631
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 20: It just says, you've read the statement and you understand

632
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,360
what they are, and it says that we haven't made

633
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,960
any threats, version or anything.

634
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 10: All this says is that you just understand what they are. Okay, Okay, Okay,

635
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,559
that's fine.

636
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 20: Here's what we come down here, Ford, Okay, we come

637
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:52,800
down here to talk to you.

638
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,079
Speaker 10: To try to get your side. There's two sighs to

639
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:55,760
every story.

640
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: Okay.

641
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:01,559
Speaker 10: There's a lot of un answered questions. Question you don't

642
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,000
want any answering them run out at home, Okay.

643
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Geraldine refused to talk to investigators and give her

644
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,719
side of the story. Smart for her, bad for society.

645
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,719
So in order to make sense of this homicide, the

646
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,639
investigators spoke extensively with Geraldine's neighbors, friends, and her two

647
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,800
older sisters.

648
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,039
Speaker 13: I mean, I know, you guys for the most part,

649
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,639
believed that she was pregnant. I'd be it for all

650
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,000
the part, Okay.

651
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: Says she knew she had gained weight, but she wasn't

652
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,280
like one hundred percent, you know, never really thought about it.

653
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 13: Just took her word for it.

654
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,639
Speaker 18: But I'm the most in the family. I would say

655
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,639
that I would be the most with the rowan tile

656
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,760
glasses all, so something really happens.

657
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 7: Then I find out everything.

658
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 18: Like I've been found it out since she's been in jail.

659
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,320
I've never had a doubt that.

660
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,119
Speaker 7: She was not pregnant.

661
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:59,079
Speaker 1: Ever, eventually, investigators learned that Geraldine was never pregnant. It

662
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,480
was all a lie. She was a liar, and you

663
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:06,599
should never trust liars. The lengths she went to keep

664
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:12,960
that lie going were baffling. For nine months, Geraldine repeatedly

665
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,119
posted updates on her social media about her fake pregnancy,

666
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,360
which included sharing sonogram photos and updates about her frequent

667
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,960
doctor visits. She was basically mommy blogging without being a mommy.

668
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,039
Geraldine purposely gained weight and accepted maternity gifts from her

669
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,800
friends and family. She even let them throw her a

670
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,239
fucking lavish baby shower.

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Speaker 6: What a cunt her those fake was not on the

672
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,400
right term, or her attorney who attorney thing whatever.

673
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: She was doing all whole things.

674
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 8: But you know, and yeah, I mean she appears to

675
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,559
be pant me and I never questioned it.

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00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:00,199
Speaker 1: April and Tamiko fully believe that Geraldine was pregnant it,

677
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,480
but there was someone who had some doubts. Geraldine told

678
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,519
her ex boyfriend Randy Garrett that he was the father.

679
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 9: She kept insisting that she was pregnant.

680
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,559
Speaker 10: So I'm like, okay, I don't you know.

681
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,559
Speaker 9: I want to be responsible if she is.

682
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 13: I want to know.

683
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,639
Speaker 9: So I was, I was saying, okay, I'll.

684
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 11: Go to the doctor's pointing with you. But every time

685
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,360
I would like try to go with her, something would

686
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,639
come up. She'd be like, oh, I went yesterday. Oh

687
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:30,400
I didn't tell you I went yesterday, or or she

688
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,960
might have the point when she's like, okay, meet me

689
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,800
out there. Then when when when I meet her out there,

690
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,440
she might be already out there, she's coming out. Oh

691
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,320
he had to reschedule. He had to he had to

692
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,800
deliver a baby. Or would always be something pregnant enough?

693
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,920
I mean she looked she looked.

694
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 9: Stach in the stomach. It seemed like her face is

695
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,440
getting more fuller. Did you ever touch your stomach at on?

696
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,559
Speaker 10: No, I never really touched her stomach. I never really

697
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:58,639
touched her stomach, but.

698
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 11: It it looked like she was pregnant.

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00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,119
Speaker 1: Geraldine lied and successfully convinced everyone around her that she

700
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,840
was pregnant. That much the investigators knew. But the big

701
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,760
unanswered question was Why why do you do these things?

702
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,239
What's the fucking point? How dumb are you that you

703
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,079
don't realize you're gonna get caught eventually? Why had Geraldine

704
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,760
done any of this?

705
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 13: You know, there's gotta be some underlying things going on.

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00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:39,119
Speaker 3: And basically everybody I talked to, and it's mainly her

707
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,119
family and friends, all say the same thing.

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00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 13: It's to me, she's carried this lie on so far

709
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:47,039
with so.

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00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: Many people that had left her no alternative but to

711
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,480
finish it.

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00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:55,159
Speaker 1: In June of twenty fourteen, Geraldine told her family and

713
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,519
ex boyfriend that she was pregnant. Nine months later, in

714
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:04,440
April twenty fifteen, Geraldine needed to produce a baby if

715
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,280
she was going to keep this lie going, because that's

716
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,159
the thing about lies, You got to keep lying to

717
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,239
protect the lie. But liars are usually pretty short sighted

718
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:20,199
type people and don't really plan ahead much. They just

719
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,199
plan for you to believe their bullshit.

720
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 13: That's it.

721
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,079
Speaker 1: That's the extent of their plans. So Geraldine began hunting

722
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,280
when she found a woman on Facebook who had just

723
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,119
given birth to a biracial baby. This one checked the box.

724
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,360
There weren't a whole lot of requirements put it that way,

725
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,000
that woman was motive and opportunity. Motive and opportunity. That woman,

726
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,840
by the way, was twenty three year old Samantha Fleming.

727
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760
But you already knew that, you know, trying.

728
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 13: To figure out the connection.

729
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 3: I don't think she knew the victim, and I don't

730
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,920
think her and the victim of Matt. I think Geraldine

731
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,320
smart enough. She was able to find out about this

732
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:06,119
person either you know, online, Facebook, whatever, and had a

733
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,880
lot of time to kind of and I'm just thinking

734
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,320
myself the whole time. I keep thinking, somehow I think

735
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,000
Geraldine ran across her herself because she spent she put

736
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:20,760
a lot of time and effort into this pregnancy thing.

737
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,000
I think she's pretty smart. I think she's very it smart.

738
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,920
She's able to get in there and Facebook and all

739
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,239
this stuff and somehow found this girl. But she had

740
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,480
to know a little bit about her DCS history, and

741
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,760
that's where I don't know, right.

742
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 1: Samantha Fleming was very active on Facebook, and investigators would

743
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,280
eventually come to find that pretty much everything Samantha was

744
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,199
dealing with in regards to regaining custody of her son

745
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,480
was spelled out on social media.

746
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 13: Again.

747
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: More mommy blogging Mommy, blogging can kill folks. Her Facebook

748
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,960
posts and subsequent conversation in the comment sections went into

749
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:08,599
great detail about her situation and the struggles she was having.

750
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,920
Woe is me, got to tell everyone about it, So

751
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,079
listen up, ladies. If there was ever a cautionary tale

752
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,320
to warn people not to share their personal problems online,

753
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:30,079
this is it. Pay attention. Geraldine used this information that

754
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,800
Samantha posted that Samantha had shared online to pose as

755
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,880
a CPS worker who was overseeing Samantha's case and take

756
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,920
advantage of her. You see how the internet works? Are

757
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960
you starting to figure it out?

758
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: She called the victim's mother two days before this incident

759
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:57,320
happened anonymous, and they the mother gave her because she

760
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,480
was claiming to be a DCS worker and knew enough

761
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,480
information to make a sound good. The mother actually gave

762
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,719
her the girl's number, so she was sinking her out.

763
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,519
And then she called the victim and only said, I'm

764
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,679
a new caseworker. I'm actually the supervisor. The other girls

765
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,440
wasn't going to be on vacation, so I'm taking over.

766
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: When Geraldine showed up at Samantha's apartment, the details that

767
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:27,159
she knew about Samantha's case made Geraldine's disguise that much

768
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:31,519
more convincing. Her act was so persuasive, in fact, that

769
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,840
she was able to lure Samantha and her baby from

770
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,320
her home into her car. Think about that. Geraldine told

771
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,719
Samantha that she needed to appear at a courthouse in Gary,

772
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,480
Indiana later that day because a judge was going to

773
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:52,519
rule if Samantha could get her son back. When Samantha

774
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,239
was in the car, Geraldine drove three hours from Anderson

775
00:46:56,559 --> 00:47:02,440
to Gary, Indiana. Investigators believe that after they arrived and Gary,

776
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,599
Geraldine was able to lure Samantha into her home. She

777
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:08,679
may have claimed that she needed to make a quick

778
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,840
stop before going to the courthouse. Who knows what kind

779
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,639
of lie she sold. Apparently she was very good at it,

780
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,480
many criminals are. When Samantha stepped inside Geraldine's home, she

781
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,800
had no clue as to the horror that awaited her.

782
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,920
Geraldine attacks Samantha, stabbing her over forty times and killing her.

783
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,280
Then she wrapped the body in plastic, folded Samantha into

784
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:43,880
a plastic tub, and filled that tub with bleach. After

785
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,159
the murder, Geraldine claimed Samantha's baby as her own. This

786
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,800
story is insane. If you saw these events play out

787
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,840
in a movie, you'd probably laugh your ass off for

788
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:03,079
it being too unrealistic. It's like something you'd see on

789
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:08,519
the Lifetime network in between reruns of Christmas in July.

790
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,639
Maybe not Lifetime these days, maybe more like Oxygen, you know,

791
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,639
the formerly gay network that now just plays true crime

792
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,199
all day. Huh my nanny is a serial killer or

793
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,639
lethal Soccer mom, those kind of titles. Yeah, that sounds

794
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,199
kind of like this story. The major difference is that

795
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,039
Geraldine's story is actually true. These are facts. I'm not

796
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,000
making them up, and it's more outlandish than anything that

797
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:42,800
could come out of a Hollywood producer's un original brain.

798
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,360
Given how horrifically absurd this whole situation was, it begged

799
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:54,440
the question, what in the world could possibly drive someone

800
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:55,440
to act this way.

801
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 13: I don't know if it's because of the boyfriend.

802
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 3: Maybe she couldn't let it go and she was trying

803
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,239
to hold on to him, so she kept this baby

804
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:03,760
thing going.

805
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 13: So then she has to find.

806
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 14: A baby because the boy the Randy guys he said,

807
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,800
we started dating, he goes I really liked her, but

808
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,719
then it just seemed like, every time I turned around,

809
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,360
she was wandering about something, and it was like, well,

810
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,400
you know what it so, lie man, it's a habit.

811
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:28,159
Speaker 7: So I don't know if that's a part of you

812
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,280
know what, of the issues she may have, you know whatever,

813
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:31,840
let it.

814
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: The prominent theory about Geraldine's motives is that she was

815
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,960
desperate to hold on to her ex boyfriend, so she

816
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,440
lied about being pregnant to keep him in her life.

817
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,840
Geraldine wouldn't be the first woman to do that, but

818
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
when you add the fact that she was also a

819
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,239
pathological liar, it made for a very bad situation. Geraldine's

820
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,280
lies painted her into a corner, and for her, kidnapping

821
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,960
and murder seemed like a better option than just coming

822
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,280
clean and admitting the truth. She had to keep the

823
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,400
lies going to protect the other lies. Also, according to

824
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,280
her sisters, Jordine was uncompromisingly desperate for attention. There's a

825
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,320
lot of that going around. And something else that may

826
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,559
have motivated her actions was jealousy.

827
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,559
Speaker 4: So when April got married and all of a sudden,

828
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,440
I just remember coming down and Journie saying she was pregnant,

829
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,639
and my first mind was, okay, she got pregnant on

830
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:42,760
purpose because Abel was getting all attention with her getting married.

831
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 17: Yeah, so as far as when she.

832
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 7: Told me she was pregnant, I'd be believe her as

833
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:47,880
she was pregnant.

834
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't know about April's part of it about being

835
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,960
you know, her getting married and.

836
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 13: The attention, that's probably some of it.

837
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 3: But I think she sees this Randy guy, and miss

838
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,639
Randy says the same thing to Miko April when you

839
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,480
say she couldn't tell the truth for nothing, I think

840
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:04,079
she started feeling like she was starting to.

841
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 13: Lose Randy, and so she had to come up with

842
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,920
because he says, next thing, you know, now she's pregnant.

843
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Had to keep it going.

844
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:18,079
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, was so used to not telling the

845
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,920
truth but getting away with a lot of it that

846
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,840
Randy wasn't putting up with it, and so it tested

847
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,199
her and pushed her to the point where she's like,

848
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,000
I'm going to show him.

849
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 13: I'm going to really come up with a baby. It's

850
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,519
like everything she did was a lie.

851
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: Despite Geraldine's refusal to speak with investigators, they were able

852
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,239
to obtain a pretty full grasp of this homicide by

853
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:49,280
this sick, sick, sick woman. They had the how and

854
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,280
the why. The only thing left to do was to

855
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,079
deal with Geraldine.

856
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 17: This truly is a tragic story.

857
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,599
Speaker 21: Police believe that Serenity, the newborn girl involved in this case,

858
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,440
was less a month old when this all happened. Now

859
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,320
that little girl left to grow up without her birth mother,

860
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,679
twenty three year old Samantha Fleming after officers found her

861
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:11,440
body full of stab wounds and stuffed inside of a

862
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,400
closet in Jones's Gary home. That being said, just yesterday morning,

863
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,639
Jones was extra dded back here to Indiana from Fort Worth, Texas,

864
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,559
until she's currently being held at Madison County Jail. Investigators

865
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,119
believe the motive behind the murder and kidnapping was all

866
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,039
part of an elaborate plot for Jones to raise Serenity

867
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:29,079
as her own daughter.

868
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 17: And when I say elaborate, I mean it.

869
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 21: According to police, Jones post as a child services worker,

870
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,079
faked her own pregnancy and even through herself a baby shower.

871
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,159
Speaker 17: Now she sits in a cell awaiting her day in court.

872
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,639
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, Geraldine Jones was charged with kidnapping and murder.

873
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,880
As she awaited her court proceedings, Geraldine made many jail

874
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,800
house phone calls to her sister April sorright.

875
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 8: You're not sorry, you start, you get sorry, you get

876
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,320
called no, I'm not I'm sorry. So okay, then I

877
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,000
guess you just deal with anything. I guess you. I

878
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,039
guess you deal with you being sorry.

879
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: I did it.

880
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 8: I don't have anything to say. I don't have reathani

881
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,280
to say. I have no compassion. My mind is all

882
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,920
as up. My mind is so messed up from this stuff.

883
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,760
I don't have any cause. And I'm a compassionate person,

884
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,719
but this here, I don't. I don't, I don't. I

885
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,400
don't have any I don't have any words. Everybody talking

886
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,119
about you, everybody talking about your face on fucking everywhere,

887
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,440
and just just would not stop. You just wouldn't stop.

888
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,559
But you know what, that's something you have to deal with.

889
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,159
That's something you have to deal with God with I can't.

890
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
I can't do anything. I can't do anything. I can't

891
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,000
fix it. I can't cover it up that I can't

892
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,239
do anything. But I'm won't do it. I ain't gonna

893
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,119
go into no debt, I ain't want nobody no money,

894
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,920
and I'm not gonna stretch myself. I will go ask

895
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,159
all this and that because I do it all the

896
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,159
same time. I'm always stressing and frustrating myself about this stuff.

897
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:46,599
I know not I'm doing it for somebody that don't

898
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:49,199
even appreciate nothing and just life and then just somebody

899
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,679
and treat me just like you treat men that everybody

900
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,840
and everybody's journey and everybody, and you expect us for

901
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,880
the same people that you fucking live you and that

902
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,639
the for real thank and trying to kill yourself. You're

903
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,239
a fan of Senior, this journey. You are so fucked up.

904
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:06,519
I knew you were glad about a lot of shit,

905
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,960
but I would never think this. And a millionaires, I

906
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:10,440
want to say, would do those shit like this, Jordan.

907
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:11,679
I wonder if if you would be a part of

908
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,119
those shit like this, not in a million years they

909
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,719
even but with any stammer innthing you have ever done

910
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,840
a life, I would never think.

911
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,159
Speaker 2: This about you.

912
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,159
Speaker 8: I don't even know who you are. I don't know

913
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:21,920
nothing about you.

914
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: As you just heard, much of Geraldine's conversations with her

915
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,880
sister involved April expressing her very justified frustrations with Geraldine.

916
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,400
This went on for some time.

917
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,559
Speaker 8: Please don't sorry. The steak fucking quiet because I don't

918
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,760
fucking feel like hearing that ship, and I don't feel

919
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,280
like hearing the whole bunch of shit. I don't fucking

920
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,880
feel like here the whole bunch of lives. I don't

921
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,079
start to hear none of that, because that's all you

922
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,599
have done the whole entire time, is fucking last the

923
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,159
whole entire time. That's all you've done, manipulate, lack and

924
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,199
do everybody all fucked up, and you just let everybody

925
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,159
out here to deal with this fucking bullshit. Everything that

926
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,599
you fucking sand out of your mouth is alive. Everything

927
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,119
the ship you've done is so so fucked up, Jerdan.

928
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:02,679
It is fucked up, and it is so fuck up

929
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,559
because you expect me to be out here trying to

930
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,400
get your money to get a fucking lawyer to help

931
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,159
you get out because you fucked up. I'm sick of

932
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,039
your ship, Jerdan. I'm so sick of your shit. I'm

933
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:15,159
sick of the where you fucking treat me. I'm so

934
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,159
tired of the way you fucking treat me, With the

935
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,960
shit that you do to people you have no fucking regards,

936
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,280
know nothing about nobody but your fucking self. The shit

937
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,800
is so fucked up. Even when you say you fucking sorry,

938
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,599
you fucking line, you sorry, you fucking got caught, You're

939
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,159
not sorry, you fucking sorry, you fucking got caught. You

940
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,519
have fuck the whole family, the family, your friends, your church,

941
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,639
your loved ones, and the people that care about us,

942
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,840
they care about Joe, motherfucking hands because they care about us.

943
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,159
You fucked them too. And you want somebody to give

944
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,159
your SIPs. You want somebody to run around bagging think

945
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,800
offing a fucking dead, a fucking damn twenty five thousand

946
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,880
fucking dollar lawyer to get your ass out, and you

947
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,360
just kick fucking people, and you're still fucking line. You're

948
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,280
still fucking line. I hope you kill one soul the

949
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,400
fucking truth because you ain't told nobody, because the shit

950
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,679
is fucked up every fucking day. Can't nobody eat he

951
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,800
nobody fucking clay. And then a story just keeps the

952
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,280
fucking unrabbling. Who does fish kind of shit?

953
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:03,679
Speaker 12: To people?

954
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,079
Speaker 8: Who the fuck does this kind of ships? People draw

955
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,880
rane the fucking a damn dear, a fucking dear journey,

956
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,679
You fucking lie a whole damn dear, You fucking lie

957
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,440
about this ship and I feel sorry for your ass

958
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,440
from the beginning, very fucking beginning, very beginning. I feel

959
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,199
starry for your ass.

960
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 1: If this isn't obvious. April was fed up with her sister,

961
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,400
and she eventually told Geraldine that.

962
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:25,519
Speaker 17: She was on her own.

963
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,639
Speaker 19: Athul I have I know I'm messed up.

964
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:32,679
Speaker 8: I didn't have the ship. But you know something about

965
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,280
in my heart that I look at you. You know

966
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,159
what your nay, I don't. I can't tell you that

967
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,599
I know that, and you know that I honestly can

968
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,039
I tell you that. I know that. It is so

969
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,639
messed up. My head has been spinning and going in

970
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:43,800
all kinds of ways. And you know what, you got

971
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,519
a fucking way of showing it. The love that you have.

972
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,079
I don't need a drewe ring and now I love

973
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,599
that you have your evil a coni and you do anything.

974
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,760
It's like you're happy. Well sh is all fucked up

975
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,480
for other people and they lize and all kind of

976
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,679
shit is crazy. That's the love that you're as d

977
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,719
I don't know that time. How do I'll be better

978
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,320
left without it?

979
00:56:58,719 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 16: How can you do it?

980
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 8: I was just I want to pick up it? How

981
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,159
could I try it? That's not think about that. That's

982
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,119
remember about it.

983
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 19: That's not true at all.

984
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 8: I've never liked that about a shoe. I feel like that,

985
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,480
Yes you have. You have act like that when I

986
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,039
sit back and reflect yourself. When you love somebody, you

987
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,000
don't shoot a way with two three people. That I

988
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:20,119
know is true, you don't do it.

989
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 11: Speak.

990
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: In the end, though, April somehow found a way to

991
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,880
forgive her sister and agreed to help her through her

992
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,639
upcoming murder trial. I guess blood is thicker.

993
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 8: Than water and I love you your range and you know,

994
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,880
no matter what you steal, my sister, I don't care

995
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,360
what those are, I still love you. I'm going to

996
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,559
be like I said, I'm gonna do whatever you have

997
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:43,960
I have to do no matter what. You just have

998
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:46,800
to be strong and know that God is doing something.

999
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:52,119
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for Geraldine, there wasn't much that April or God

1000
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:58,000
himself could do for her. Geraldine killed a twenty three

1001
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:03,079
year old mother of kids, and the police found the

1002
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:07,840
body in her house in a closet. The police also

1003
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:12,480
unraveled all of her lies and could easily prove beyond

1004
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,800
a reasonable doubt that Geraldine committed this murder. A potential

1005
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,800
death sentence loomed over Geraldine, and the best she could

1006
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,920
hope for was a deal from prosecutors, which she eventually got.

1007
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,119
In May of twenty eighteen, Geraldine pled guilty to voluntary

1008
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,880
manslaughter and criminal confinement. She was sentenced to thirty years

1009
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:42,760
in prison. Throughout the court proceedings, Geraldine made no statements,

1010
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,079
and after the plea, her attorney gave a brief statement

1011
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:50,519
to the press saying, quote, the state made the offer,

1012
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:54,719
and Geraldine was satisfied with it. She's ready to put

1013
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,880
this behind her. She's at peace.

1014
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:58,119
Speaker 13: End quote.

1015
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:02,559
Speaker 1: Geraldine was at PA. Well, isn't that nice? Isn't that

1016
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:03,119
nice for her?

1017
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 19: Do you know how long it's took for me to

1018
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:05,760
get here?

1019
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 8: Hell, four days.

1020
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 19: I traveled on the bus for two days, went through Louisiana.

1021
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:13,679
I mean, it went through so many different states. And

1022
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,280
then they took us to a holding place in Kentucky,

1023
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,039
and they were so mean to you, like they would

1024
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,679
make you sleep on the floor. They didn't give you

1025
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,880
one small bottle of soap. I mean, it's ridiculous. Even

1026
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,800
now I'm in lockdown. So it us And I ask,

1027
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,920
she said, because of my classification, Because I guess what

1028
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,199
I did. But my blunkie was telling me that because

1029
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:37,960
of what I did, I mean, because of the charges,

1030
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:41,920
that you want to be by yourself. But I'm thinking

1031
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,559
like that, I'm here, I don't see no TV. I

1032
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,599
only get out for an hour, and I was instantly

1033
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:49,280
in isolation, like I'm in one self by myself.

1034
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: During her calls from jail, Geraldine spent a lot of

1035
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,119
time complaining about the lousy conditions of the facilities she

1036
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,480
was transferred to and the poor treatment she received. It

1037
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:05,639
wasn't you know, yelpable. She probably wanted to speak with

1038
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:08,920
the manager or something. Never once in any of those

1039
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,480
calls does Geraldine mention Samantha Fleming. Never once does she

1040
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:16,519
talk about Samantha's two kids, who are now forced to

1041
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:21,159
grow up without a mother because of her. She doesn't

1042
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,840
talk about Samantha's mom or her boyfriend, both of whom

1043
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,920
were emotionally crushed by the murder that Geraldine committed. After

1044
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:35,679
everything she did, after destroying countless lives for no reason

1045
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:44,639
at all, Geraldine's world still only revolved around one person, Geraldine.

1046
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,320
You can call this woman a lot of things. She's

1047
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,039
a narcissist, she's a pathological liar. She's a killer. But

1048
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,760
if you want to encompass everything, you only need one word.

1049
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:16,760
Geraldine Jones is a monster. All right. That's gonna do

1050
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,079
it for another one. Thanks again for joining us. If

1051
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,280
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1052
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