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Speaker 1: Why is the government covering this up? Last week, former

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airman Jake Barber revealed in an exclusive interview with Ross

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coltart on News Nation that he worked under non official

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cover as part of an elite team of special operators

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tasked with recovering crashed military aircraft and UFOs for the government.

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Doctor John Blitch, a former Green Beret and Special Mission

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Units troop commander, joined us to address questions about whistleblower

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Jake Barber. This week, doctor Blinch returns in part two

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of our interview, exploring the larger question why has the

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government hidden this for decades? Let's get to it. Hi,

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I'm Matt Ford. Welcome to The Good Trouble Show. Today

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we air part two of our interview with doctor John Blitch,

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where we explore perhaps why the government has gone to

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really such great lengths to hide the uap UFO phenomenon

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not only from you, but from Congress. But first, please

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we have today. Okay, here is part two of our

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interview with retired Lieutenant.

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Speaker 2: Colonel John Blinch. Enjoy doctor Blinch.

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Speaker 1: I understand that you are actually working on two books.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about those?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, the first book is the title is called

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The Killer Rescue Robot Not and the word killer is

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through and it's it's the Case for Robot Assistant Rescue

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in the modern World. And that is about my journey

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through graduate school after I had left sort of the

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action world and became a former action guy right on

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your tax payer dollars at the College School of Mind.

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So is my journey into robotics and sort of diverting

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from the classic military killer robot world into rescue robotics.

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And that's what that first book is about. I ended

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up having just split it into two books because there

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was there was so much to it, and my editors

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and the folks that were coaching me really said I'd

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bitten off too much to two. So the second one

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picks up after I had turned over my robots to

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Cybon first Class Dave Platt, another phenomenal hero, and I

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turned over my robust to him at the World Trade Center.

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That's the second book. But yeah, that's the first one,

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And the other one has to do with the up subject,

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specifically the abduction phenomenon. It's called the Abduction Amnesty not

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k n o T. The word not in both of

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those is an attempt to try to capture very complex

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problems like knots can be very complex and they can

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be very difficult to untie, and you can use them

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to take a life with a noose or rescue a

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knife with a bullet. Right of all the notes out there,

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the bowl and is unquestionably the knot that has been

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used to save more lives than anybody else because it

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doesn't slip and compress on your chest right as you

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lift somebody up off the cliff or into alicot or

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whatever I asked. So that's what that's what they both

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are the second one. I think I've already made the

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case for during this, during this interview. But it's basically

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that government's got to come clean. They haven't been able

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to protect us, and that's why there's is all a secret.

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And once they do come clean, then I'm willing to

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forgive you. I'm willing to grant your amnesty, but you

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got to come clean and admit that you weren't able

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to do what you were supposed to be able to do.

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So that's the gist of it.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jake Barber's claims as far as like,

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you know, what what happened to him, what what he observed?

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You know, the physical injuries that he and his teammates.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh uh, you.

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Speaker 1: Know we're subjected to during this, during this kind of thing.

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What about all of that or what about his story

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do you find the most disturbing?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Wow, this this gets right back to this whole

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corrosive leadership aspect of things, where you hang your guys

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out to dry, you separate them so that they can't commiserate,

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you know, one of the most important aspects. Now I'm

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getting into the cognuro side of things, right, one of

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the most important aspects of resilience is cohesion, right, And

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so when the air Force separates these guys afosi separates

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people and harasses them or exposes them to what seems

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pretty clear to me to be a radiological issue. And

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again I defer to the big brains that the Gary

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Nolan's of the world, and his point was spot on.

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I think from a scientific basis, you four guys who

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are suffering this, Right, it's not one guy that got

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too close to a directed energy source or whatever. Right,

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that's a little bit too easy to dismiss, you know,

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in terms of quantum assessment, right, or in terms of probabilities. Right. So, uh,

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that is detestable to me that that somebody let them

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carry that thing and set it up. There are procedures. Now,

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what Jake tried to say was that his higher headquarters

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or whatever levels of that. You know, he's a civilian

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at that time that company that they must not have known.

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Again as a as a five time commander, Hey, it's

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you're the captain of the ship. It's your responsibility to

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ensure your troops are safe. And so there's all all

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sorts of ways with robots to go put a detector

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on that thing and set it around that before us

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and the humans in and for them to do that,

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I mean that the technology, it's it's it's laughable, how

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cheap that is relatively speaking. So I hold his chain

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of command accountable for his injuries. And that's that's that's

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what I'm blowing the whistle up is the corrosive aspect

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of this where we are are intervening, we are interfering

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with the natural, uh natural development of a cohesive unit.

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And Amalgalladet is another example of good leadership because he's

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calling that out right, and so I want to jump

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on his bandwagon. You know, I think the world of

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him and his courage for putting his career at risk,

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uh with with you know, his testimony. So you know,

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that's the guy. That's the kind of guy we need

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as leaders in today's environment. Not this cover your butt,

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you know, you know, interrogate them, separate them, get the

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most out of them, and bring them out to drive.

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That's uh. I find that imhorrent and whatever little piece

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of leadership training iPad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've said said up many times on this program.

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It it just boggles my mind that the Department of Defense,

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or the Intelligence community, or or anyone for that matter,

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would throw American veterans under the bus.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's take anomalous health injuries. I'm good friends

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with Olivia Troy who worked for Mike Pence. She is

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a victim of She was targeted by you know what

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people refer to as as Havana syndrome or you know,

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we call now anomalous health injuries. And for you know,

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during this entire past administration, they said, not there's you know,

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nothing to see. I know, I believe it was a

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CIA put out a report or perhaps ODE and I

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that set up.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing going on here. And meanwhile, all.

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Speaker 1: Of these folks that are have worked for either state department,

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various three letter agencies, et cetera, have all been injured

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by this stuff. Olivia still still suffers from this to

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this day. And then finally, at the very end of

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this last administration, the Biden administration, they came out and said, well, yeah,

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maybe there is there is something is something to it,

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but this it seems to be in just where I sit,

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a a not a not a trend. It seems to

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be sort of standard operating procedure when our veterans are

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injured by either being close to UAP or whatever the

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Havannah syndrome anomalous health injuries are. It seems that when

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when the people that serve our country are physically injured

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by this what ever it may.

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Speaker 2: Be, our country turns turns their back on them.

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Speaker 1: You know, these folks that have given everything to serve

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their country, some that have given all. I just I

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don't understand it. It's I don't know if it's a.

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Speaker 2: Just a.

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Speaker 1: Cancer that has infected our democracy or our leadership.

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Speaker 2: What do you I mean, what do you think? I

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just I can't wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the reason I'm writ I wrote this book, Matt,

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because I answer that I am. I try to answer

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It's it's one approach, it's one potential answer to it.

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A lot of folks, you know, especially in the ethology world,

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once they get in there and start making money with books,

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and I have the answer. Now, I have one potential answer,

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and so my You know, there are a lot of

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very very good people in government and in the military

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dustrial complex that are all about just defending us right.

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And there is a threat. However, it's a very narrow

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slipper where the vast majority of these interactions are benign

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less than malevolent. And so I do believe that as

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far back as nineteen forty seven and beyond that, as

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carlin Nel said, it is well known, you know, within

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the program, within certain circles that we have been visited

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by a wide variety of other species. And let's be clear.

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If you can bend space time so that you can

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travel faster than light, then you can bend time, space

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and time. Einstein showed us that that fabric as it

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bends and you skip from here to here, you're bending

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time if you go this way instead of the full fabric.

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So it's inherent that if you can can bend space,

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you can bend time. So if you're, if you're and

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there's plenty of Star Trek episodes where they accidentally go

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back in time, whether they're warping along. So the reason

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I bring all that up, mat is that I do

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believe that there has been an undeclared state of war

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since the World War Two and food fighters and all

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that was discovered, especially in the context of the induction phenomenon,

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and I don't know how much time you have to

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discuss that. But to get to the point is lights

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in the sky and even interdimensional beings or the fact

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that some of these objects might be carrying beings or

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any chi they might be biological robots. And that's the

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primary reason for going from the term et or extraterrestrial

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or interdimensional to NHI. It's to draw a bigger circle

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around it. Right, the ven diagram needs to be bigger

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because you've got to have you know, cylons and terminators

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in there. Right, there might be robots in there, artificial

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life forms that that might be mixed in with this.

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book and Agendas he has, he's devoted a couple of

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pages to it of descriptions of all of these beings

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that have been described. A lot of somewhat common or

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have common features. Others are radically different. And that's what

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I would expect with trillions of trillions of not just stars,

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but galaxies. It turns out, you know, he went from

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Hubble to Kepler, and you know the magnitude. So here's

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the thing. It's all it takes is one abduction to

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be real, and that is terrifying, right, Yeah, that I

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that there's nothing I can do to prevent my kids

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from getting taken out of their bedroom or off their

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bike or whatever it happens to be in the middle

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of the day. This sleep paralysis excuse is ridiculous. Yeah,

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that might cover what five percent, but it doesn't explain

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Travis Walton being gone for five days and coming back

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with a shave with a beard, right, I mean, it's

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just so there's a lot of these aspects of it.

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So I want to I want to give the military

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industrial complex the the I don't know what you want

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to call it, the uh, this, this group and out.

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I want to forgive them, but but for the for

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me to forgive them, they have to adm that they

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have been incapable of preventing abductions from occurring around the globe.

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It's not just us. We know when the walk came

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down that we had the former Soviet Union and all

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those little Sunds lots of very similar situations. You know,

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their nuts were shut down, their nuts we were put

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on short countdown and then stopped at the last minute.

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So it's the abduction phenomenon that really breaks it wide open.

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The met and the irony of it, I call it

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the paradox is that for us humanity to forgive them,

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they got to come clean and say, hey, kids, you

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know they treat us. A lot of folks Michael Seldenberg,

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a lot of folks have said, you know, they're sick

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and tired of being treated like children by the people

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in this this this group right that the chattel government

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or whatever. And I'm sick of it too, you know.

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gay teenagers. Thanks to the Internet, we now have access

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to a lot of stuff, and we're not. You know,

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you got to you gotta come clean. People do get

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raped in college, right, people do get murdered. We've been

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protecting you, protecting you, protecting you. There's nothing there, there's

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nothing worry about. And ninety nine percent of people go

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away to college or go to their first job, or

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move across the country and get married and they're fine.

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But that one percent, that one percent of rape victims,

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of abduction victims, you gotta address it. And so you

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don't send the USS Enterprise out without photon torpedoes and facers, right,

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I mean, that's ridiculous. So that's what I think, and

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hopefully that will help you make sense of it. That

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good people, good you know, morally straight people, you know,

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legal scouts like me that that that you know, took

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all those oaths there, they stayed good people, and then

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when they were exposed to this notion that oh crap,

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we're getting we're being kidnapped, we're getting yank, we're lab rats,

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and then you feel justified that Okay, sorry, taxpayer, we

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got to charge you three thousand dollars for a toilet

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seat on a C seven, right, And that's how this

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stuff gets funded. And so now now you start to realize,

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you know, what if I was in that same position,

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and I was given irrefutable proof of abductions while they

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are current with video or body parts from human beings

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that you know, after a firefight that were collected up

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and put someplace, that sounds any horrific to me. And

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so maybe these these treating these people to keep this secret.

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Even even while I can some folks, you can, I

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can see where people might rationalize that as collateral damage

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with this sort of intergalactic war that we've declared on

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anything flying up there, which is ridiculous. It's a it's a.

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It's a bad way to go, and we can talk

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about that some other time. But that's my take, and

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I'm hoping that helps you resolve it a little bit.

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That good people can do bad things with that rationalization

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that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of

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the few. So the one or two people that you

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treat badly collateral damage.

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Speaker 1: And and that is something that I wanted to touch on

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because you know, you mentioned earlier talking about, for instance,

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David Grush having his life threatened. I believe you mentioned

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that the that Jake and the other folks that were

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you know, that came to meet you on on your boat,

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that that you know, they were concerned that perhaps you

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were the military industrial complex there to take them out.

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What is is there a difference between in your mind

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and I know all of this is a sort of conjecture,

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is there a difference in the what may be the

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motivations of folks involved in the Deep Legacy crash retrieval

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program in terms of contractors, be it theoretically theoretically Northrop

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Grumman or or or or Lockheed Martin, what would be

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their incentive to, uh, you know, to threaten the lives

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of these of these former Special operators, if you were

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in their shoes.

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Speaker 3: Sure, well, a lot of this boils down to the compartmentation,

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right you you know, the big secret is the abduction phenomena. Right,

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And if you're not read into that, if you haven't

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been given evidence of that, and you're just told that

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this person is a trader, and here's this dossier to

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support that, here's their oath, and they violated that oath.

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Take them out. I could see where somebody could be justified.

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Imagine that that if if you don't, you know, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna rewind back to the Meli massacre in Vietnam.

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I was just falling orders, the tenant cality, I was

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just following orders. He was recently uh released, by the way,

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the last few years. Anyway, I can easily understand that.

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And that's why this corrosive compartmentation is such a problem.

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Is you could carry out a horribly immoral act thinking

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that you're morally justified because of this compartmentation. And so

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that's why I am still a strong champion for disclosure,

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but I'm also willing to grant amnesty if they just

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come clean. And this is the problem, This is why

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it's such it's so difficult, is you have to admit,

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as a senior Department of Defense official or even a

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scientist working on the weapons that we're going to use

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to protect our own you know, global citizens are fellow

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humans from being taken that you failed. You haven't been

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able to do it. Travis Wallon got taken, kids got taken,

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you know, Linda Napolitano got taken out of her what

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thirteenth story apartment in downtown New York City. I mean,

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so these are horrific things to have to admit. You

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have to admit failure. And again that's a lack of leadership.

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A good leader ship polls. They are willing to be

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vulnerable and say, you know what, guys, I screwed up.

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I made a mistake. I should have been better. I

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wasn't up to it. Shuck it up and drive on,

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you know that sort of thing. And so that's why

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I keep claiming it's an issue of corrosive leadership, especially

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when you know you're having these these people commit these

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AIN'TUS acts without understanding the background behind it.

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Speaker 1: So so it is completely reasonable to assume that either

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whoever be it, you know, security contractors or or folks

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in the government in order to protect this secret, to

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protect this program.

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Speaker 2: It is. It is not.

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Speaker 1: Out in left field that they would resort to kinetic options.

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Speaker 3: H No, I think I think you know, we're all

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brought up again as I point to those those military

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military leadership over there, there are a lot of military

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decisions where collateral damage was rationalized. And so I believe

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the folks that ordered the hit on on Dave and

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Lou and and others consider them collateral damage.

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Speaker 1: So if I heard you correctly, you were saying that Lou,

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Dave and others were on a kill list.

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Speaker 3: I find no inconsistency with that claim. And and I

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can imagine, I can imagine in trying to put myself

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compassionately in my fellow military people now retired military people,

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in the military industrial complex, or in this this cabal,

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if you will, I know that term has been used

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a lot. I want to be compassionate towards the cabal

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as well, you know. And and there's there's a Christian background,

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you know, with with JC saying, hey, look forgive them God,

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they don't know what they're doing, right, or to that effect,

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And so so I want to feel for them and

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and give them an out if if they would just

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come clean. That this is why we were doing it.

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This is why we are reverse engineering these stuff. This

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is why we're even shooting these things down, because we

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got to grab the weapons so that we can defend ourselves.

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And so you know, again, I think the reason why

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Blew and Dave may May are still alive is maybe

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those reverse engineering programs have been partially successful. Maybe we

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can shoot some of them. Now. The question now is, okay,

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what about identifying friend or foe? Who's the bad guys?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Doctor dealing? How do we do that? I don't know.

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I got it now neuro scientifically, you know it is

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the thing. And you don't need me to tell you

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this as a lousy scientist, because as soon as I

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graduated I went to work at the Air Force Research Lab,

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I lost all faith and confidence because I became aware

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of this. And I'm like for crying out loud, and

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as soon as I got to Rek Patterson, you know,

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and I'm not I'm not giving access to the big

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vault right and read in on all this stuff, I'm

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shoved in a corner. In fact, you know, I talked

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about this in the book, I was I was encouraged

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to work from home. This is long this three years, no,

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five years before COVID. Yeah, I want to just stay

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at home, just you know, come in, come on base

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every now and then. And and maybe it was because

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I don't I don't know this, but you know, there's

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there's lots more to that story unpacked. But but that's

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that's my underlying premise under which I am willing to

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forgive the folks in this cabal. But they got to complete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think it speaks volumes when these

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you know, uh, these special operators are coming to meet

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you and they are concerned for their lives or you know,

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you know Lou or Dave are concerned for their lives

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and you know, and these these are these aren't like

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civilians or someone that uh that you know, lacks counter

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intelligence training or whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that if can all those folks be touched?

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Speaker 3: Well so so in terms of of fighting the fear, right,

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here's the thing and this I would tell this to

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anybody who's coming after me. Number one, you know, use

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the Jason Board thing. Well, look at what they do

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to us. You know who's coming after you? Right, when

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when do you use lose your utility? Look, it only

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takes two pounds of finger finger pressure, pull pull a trigger, right.

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I mean I could be eighty five years old and

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freaking whack somebody you know, So who's coming after you?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Down the line? And and here's the thing. If you

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threaten me or my kids and you you tell me

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that I gotta I gotta stop doing what I'm doing

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or you're gonna kill my kids, dude, that is on you.

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That's You're not going to use me to guilt me

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into you doing something harmful to my kids, or my

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brothers or my sisters in arms. When you meet your

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maker where whatever that is, whatever, whatever concept of grand

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deity or or just your next lifetime, whatever you believe,

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you're going to be accountable for that. And that's what

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I told them out on the book, and they I

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feel it seems like that might have had a buzz

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of impact. So anybody out there that is, you know,

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you know, sort of doing the doing the hitman for

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money thing, and I can understand how they can justify it,

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but it's a justification. It's not it's not an adequate rationale.

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And they're going to have to deal with that somewhere

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down the line.

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Speaker 1: And if you heard of instances where not only the

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person on the program or whatever was threatened, but it

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was also made made explicitly clear that their family would

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be a target as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, yeah, Eric, many on this side in the

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UFOO literature, there's a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: And you you believe that would certainly be true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But but again, you know, there's a there's the

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ratio of good to bad that you hear in the

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media and that you see in these these books. It's

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it's here's the here's the statistic, Matt, and you look

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this up yourself. Anybody hope your readers do less than

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one percent of violent crime across the board, it's not

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just the United States, across global statistics is committed by

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let me see, No, it's the other way. I had

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it wrong. Ninety percent of violent crime is committed by

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less than one percent of the population. Right now, there's

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there's less than violent crime where you're just ripping people off.

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You know, uh, that ain't good either, right now, shout

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not you know, steal or you know, so it's our good,

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but it's not the violent stuff you're literally, you have

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to be a psychopath to do that type of thing,

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or you have to have been brainwashed or bludgeoned into it,

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are so wounded psychologically that you can rationalize it in

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your head that this person deserves to die. So that

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we gotta we got to push back against the fear.

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You know that the rum the only fear is fear itself.

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So let's bring the discussion down here a little bit, right,

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And and look the fact that Mary's lewis still a lot.

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You're talking to him tonight, I think right, right, Yeah,

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talked today yesterday. I think it was so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking to him today, right.

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Speaker 3: But there are others that that that unfortunately got escorted

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into their their next life a little prematurely, and whoever

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whoever did that is going to have to face it

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somewhere down the line.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that former like we'll just say, like

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former special operators that were either working for as uh,

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you know, as a for a private contractor or still

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working for the government, do you think that there's any

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hesitancy on their part to come forward out of due

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due to fear of the safety of their of their

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own life.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, I think that I think there's plenty

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of that going around. UH. David lou and others related

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that to me. But it's not it's not a high percentage.

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It's it's few and far between, and and you know,

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it's a I guess it's just a an unfortunate aspect

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of humanity spiritual evolution that this stuff is going on.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the private or the defense

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military and defense complex, the private contractors. Now, I had

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always thought that one of really the primary reasons for

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the level of secrecy around all of this was the

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00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,079
entire legacy crash retrieval.

475
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: And reverse engineering program.

476
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,599
Speaker 1: And I always sort of imagined a good bit of

477
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,519
corruption between between like the government and UH and these

478
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,079
defense contractors.

479
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: How much of the how much of the overall problem.

480
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:31,039
Speaker 1: Are these defense contractors or that relationship or the fact,

481
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,880
excuse me, the fact that you have leadership in the Pentagon,

482
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,160
exit out of the Pentagon and then go right into

483
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,599
working for Northrop Grumman. How how much of that aspect

484
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,559
of that is it? Is it greed?

485
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:45,319
Speaker 2: Is it no?

486
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Grumman doing some maybe not so good things to make

487
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,039
sure that that they have the advantage in terms of

488
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:54,000
the cr program?

489
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: Any any thoughts on that.

490
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I just want to emphasize that even though

491
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,839
when I left, I took a vice president position at

492
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,000
SEICE in their rumored to be you know, part of

493
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,279
the cabal, and they've since split and now partner Lighthouse

494
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,160
or whatever. Look, the vast majority of people in those

495
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:22,240
positions are good, morally straight folks and ensure you know,

496
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,400
part of free market enterprises. Competition, right, this is part

497
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720
of the problem with communism. You know, looks good on paper,

498
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,680
but it just doesn't work. People are naturally competitive.

499
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: You know.

500
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: It's and so the notion of being an entrepreneur, and

501
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,440
I've got no issues with that at all. But again,

502
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,240
when it gets to the point of using lethal action

503
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:56,920
or deplorable activity against other human beings, other American citizens,

504
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:04,279
under the guys of defending America, well then what are

505
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,559
we doing? You know, are we rotting more on the

506
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:11,199
inside protecting us? You know, so you can run from

507
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,000
the inside as well. And that's why the ELS says

508
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:17,679
foreign or domestic, all enemies foreign or domestic, right and so.

509
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239
But but but here's the thing. You know, those folks

510
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,400
are are keeping us technologically advanced against other potential adversaries.

511
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,800
But here's another, you know, conundrum that that I wonder

512
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,519
as we zoom out right into sort of the galactic society,

513
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,480
at what point, Well, let me ask you this, if

514
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:49,920
if Minnesota had nuclear weapons, right, and I'll pick a

515
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,400
let's say, let's not not assign a specific state. If

516
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,559
the red state had nuclear weapons and a blue state

517
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,880
had nuclear weapons, are we going to start a nuclear

518
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,679
war inside the United States? Yeah? And are we going

519
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,039
to nuke each other? So back up that one level

520
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,880
or maybe two levels outside the solar system to our galaxy.

521
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,360
Are we going to let that happen? I mean, at

522
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,960
some point the Red States and the Blue States got

523
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,559
to start being friendly to each other. And so I

524
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,039
hope that took Yes. So I go back to Reagan's

525
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:35,000
famous speech about with Gorbachev, Right, wouldn't our differences look

526
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,519
so trivial if we took a step back from you know,

527
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,199
sort of a galactic point of view. So at some

528
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,239
point in our human evolution, we're going to have to

529
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,480
make friends with China and Russia and whoever the enemy

530
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,280
the tour de jour is. And look at look at

531
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,239
you know, the last twenty years of American warfare. Who

532
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:09,559
are allies work, Germany, Japan, Poland, right. And so it's

533
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,679
just such a shifting you know, set up here that

534
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,519
we've got to kind of tamper it all down. And

535
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:21,719
so this again part of the rationale for my book

536
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,119
is we got there is an opportunity here to use

537
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,719
this issue to unify everybody, not just red states blue

538
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,239
states here in our country, but everybody. And so if

539
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,519
we come clean with this, this notion that some of

540
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,440
them up there are kidnapping us and treating us like

541
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,960
lab rats, that has the potential to unify us and

542
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,920
start getting us to play nice as kids in the playground,

543
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,159
the same little blue marble we call Earth that has

544
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,239
that potential. And so I really want to inspire with

545
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,639
this book to get that. This military industrial complex, and

546
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,559
let's be clear, it's not one country's military industrial complex.

547
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,599
We got we got folks making weapons on both sides,

548
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,280
you see it all sure, right, And so there's an

549
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,800
opportunity here to do that. And the longer we trickle

550
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,960
this and the longer we keep the core of this secret,

551
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,480
the abduction phenomenon at the core, the longer we continue

552
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,760
this this you know, infighting among humans, and it's a

553
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,119
it's a silly thing.

554
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: And you you feel certain that it is the abduction phenomenon.

555
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,960
It's not the fact that we're reverse engineering this stuff

556
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,639
and knocking you ap out of the skies. And in

557
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,239
your opinion, it is the abduction part. That is is

558
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,559
literally the third rail. The reason that they have kept

559
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,239
this so incredibly locked down.

560
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Uh yes, and and but to elaborate a little bit

561
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,400
it it's the reason why you can get high level

562
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:16,880
scientists and morally straight, good American military folks, government officials

563
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:27,360
to do this, to carry this malevolent streak into suppressing truth.

564
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,039
That's because money alone doesn't do it. Money can buy

565
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,679
you a lot, but on your deathbed. The reason why

566
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,559
you're going to keep it a secret is it's for

567
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,440
the best benefit of humanity. We have to shoot these

568
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,039
things down and we have to reverse engineer the technology

569
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,599
so that we can defend ourselves because they're way more

570
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,519
advanced than us. That's the only way we can That's

571
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,039
the only way we're going to do it. That's that's

572
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,280
not the only way we're gonna that's the only that's

573
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960
not the only way to do it. Another aspect that

574
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,119
I proposed in the book is to you know, we

575
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920
need to get the d D from being in charge

576
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:10,639
of this thing. I'm very excited that a disclosure pro

577
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,239
individual like Marco Rubio may end up as Secretary of

578
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,880
State because we need to start this negotiation process. We

579
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,920
got to quit shooting down on one of the best,

580
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,599
most heartwarming things I heard at the Soul conference that

581
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Gary and he escape Yoush and all those guys put

582
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,639
together phenomenal that you and I linked up briefly before

583
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:42,199
I leave. But Ryan's most important statement that I think

584
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,559
I've ever heard from him, another true American er, just

585
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,480
like David Fraber, Alex Dietrich, all of them, you know,

586
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,960
risking their entire careers with this type of thing and

587
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,360
post careers, is he said, the reason why he can

588
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,960
he uses the word threat is not because that the

589
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,079
UAPs are threat being us, they're so advanced, you know,

590
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,440
It's because our reaction to them is a threat, right,

591
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,079
And he said, it's never a good idea to shoot

592
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,000
down something that you don't know what it is, right.

593
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,559
But the key that and he told me this at

594
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:23,079
lunch during a break, was that that we're the threat

595
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,519
the way we react to them. So if you have

596
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,360
two f eighteens that's that run into other fa teens

597
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,840
kind of like Adams inside of the nuclear core. And

598
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:37,719
now you start this cascade of you know, uh, of collisions.

599
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,119
It's the way that we react to them. It's the threat.

600
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:42,920
And we just gotta we've got to settle that down

601
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,519
and and and sort of you know, calm this whole

602
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,840
thing down and come together in unity with what we're doing.

603
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320
And so I do believe that we we do now

604
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,119
have And that's why some of this is allowed to trickle, right,

605
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:02,679
that's not you know, we're still probably trying to squash

606
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,679
some elements that haven't gotten the word. Again, this is

607
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,599
part of this, this compartmentation is always that percent that

608
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,719
didn't get the word, you know, within the organs. Hey

609
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920
we're having a birthday party for jail this week, right, Well,

610
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:17,920
I love Joe. How come I didn't get that? You know,

611
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,039
so somebodys didn't get the word. They were not whacking

612
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,599
people anymore, right, Hey, we're not suppressing you know, we're

613
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,320
not tampering with emails anymore. Guys, knock it off, right,

614
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,519
And so we're in that you know thaw, the trickle

615
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,719
thaw that that carlll you know kind of has mentioned

616
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,800
another great great American, great American patriot and hero in

617
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,280
this world. I you know, I happen to disagree at

618
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,800
the speed I want it now. I want to cost

619
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,119
a feet party's you know I'm clean. Yeah, we couldn't

620
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,880
protect all you guys. Sorry, it wasn't us, it was them.

621
00:41:55,519 --> 00:42:01,960
We couldn't defended Bob. Sergeant Major Robert Odean. I went

622
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,840
to him in two thousand and eight, okay, and confronted

623
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,760
him in a ufology conference.

624
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: And who is this, by the way.

625
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:17,199
Speaker 3: Sergeant Major Robert Odean, Okay, who was got famous for

626
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:23,559
talking about this assessment report that he read while he

627
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:29,400
was on staff duty at Shape Headquarters back in the sixties.

628
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:33,239
He was falling asleep. This full colonel who was you know,

629
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:39,039
in charge of all military activity in Europe at the time.

630
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,320
So that the four star general could sleep all night,

631
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,360
this guy's got to stay up all night and sergeant

632
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,800
major had to stay up all night. They were the

633
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,320
nine to one one guys if there was an emergency,

634
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,320
and they would determine whether or not, well do we

635
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,280
wake up the four star or maybe this is only

636
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,639
a two star problem, right, And so their fall asleep

637
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,960
is born in duty. You really would rather pull that

638
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,039
pull up several times. Of course, you'd rather pull it

639
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,039
on a weekend, because at least you get somebody you

640
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,159
know that was drunk and got a dui. You get

641
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,960
to go down and bail him out of jail, or

642
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,039
call his commander to GoGet and whatever. So his board

643
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,079
is hell. One night and the colonel went into this

644
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,480
triple ox safe, pulled out this report, slapped it in

645
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,960
front of him and say, here you go, starry Major,

646
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,239
maybe that'll keep you awake for a little while, because

647
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,880
he was falling asleep at his desk after you know,

648
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,159
a whole pot of coffee or whatever. And it was

649
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:42,679
this summation of you know, our relationship with a variety

650
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:48,679
of species over decades or not decades, centuries, millennium. Anyway,

651
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,840
he became a very well respected upologist, and he had

652
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,320
been pushing for disclosure. Some was a FA team pilot.

653
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,679
I'd really like to talk to him, naval aviator. Uh Anyway,

654
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,559
so I went to him with this heavy heart that

655
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:13,000
I had heard about these military abductions, and uh I

656
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,000
asked him flat out charge man. I told him a

657
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,639
little bit about background, and uh I asked him to

658
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,880
point blank his armed military involved in any of this.

659
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,199
Uh So what I what uh I told him is

660
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,320
I was really worried about it. And I got to

661
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,559
tell you, Matt, he was. He was the kind of guy,

662
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:37,440
this magnificent, old soul, gentle guy who you know, he's

663
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,360
the guy I expected to be up on the alternate

664
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,920
given a sermon to me every Sunday. He was that

665
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:48,199
kind of powerful, you know, presence, and he and he

666
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,800
looked at the floor, which I was not expected because

667
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,599
he's always a straight shoot, always looking at me straight

668
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,880
in the eye. And then he looked up at me

669
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,000
and he stared at me straight and rye and he said, yes,

670
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,760
but you got to understand, we had no choice and

671
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280
we're gonna do it anyway. And so they allowed us

672
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,440
to be observers. Just to make sure that they're claimed

673
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,519
that they never permanently harmed anybody, they would have to do,

674
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,679
you know, some uncomfortable procedures, just like my labrador retriever

675
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,519
had done at the vet. Right, that's have to cause

676
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,920
some pain in order to see where the problem is.

677
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,320
Because they can't speak to the dogs, right, we haven't

678
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:38,400
developed a telepathic capacity yet, despite the science supporting you know,

679
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,480
peer reviewed science that says telepathy is real. I mean,

680
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,559
that's nothing new. I think Ross mentioned that any case.

681
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:54,480
He said, yeah, but you know it is spot checking

682
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,119
and we're partial observers. We are not the ones doing

683
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,800
the procedures. I just can't get my head around that.

684
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,280
Here you have these guys and Gale signing up to

685
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,800
sacrifice their lives and defend to this country. Now I

686
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,360
have out of time with them, but it is defensible

687
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:23,039
if we need to at least align ourselves with some

688
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,519
of these folks so that they help us protect us

689
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:30,000
against the other bad guys, right, right, And so having

690
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:34,239
the Department of State involved in this starting to get

691
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,719
involved to at least start to sort out, Hey, we

692
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,800
may want to negotiate with this country, we may not

693
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,400
want to align ourselves with these guys. They're not along

694
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,719
our values, right, And so I'm really optimistic for the

695
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,480
future that hopefully that Department of State will at least

696
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
get involved, if not take over the whole thing. Because

697
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,119
if as and it's not me, don't listen to me, Hey,

698
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,239
listen to Himashed and all these other folks that have

699
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
claimed that we are on the verge of being dragged,

700
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,119
kicking and screaming into a galactic society. I mean, it's

701
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,760
there are a lot of much smarter people than me

702
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,639
that are making these claims, and again that that's where

703
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,400
the dots lead to, the data leads us in that direction.

704
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,400
It's it's the only thing that connects all the dunts

705
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,079
that I had.

706
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things that I'd been told very

707
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,639
early on was the targeting of individuals to protect the

708
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,880
deep Legacy program. That wasn't done by primarily by or

709
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,000
or at all by Jaysock, but it was rather farmed

710
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:53,440
out to the security contractors working for the for the defense,

711
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,199
you know, the defense aerospace companies. If that is true,

712
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,960
what is it done so that there's a kind of

713
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:07,119
a level of separation between the government and uh a

714
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,599
security contractor maybe doing some bad things. Are they essentially

715
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:15,519
using the contractor, let's say that CIA office glow of

716
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:20,119
BLA access or whoever is ordering these things to happen.

717
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,679
Are they then using would they potentially then use a

718
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,360
defense contractor's security outfit as kind of a cutout?

719
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm way out of my lane on that, Matt.

720
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,639
You know, I was only I was only at se

721
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,800
C for six months, and then I had to take

722
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,679
a leave of absence when I went back to work

723
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,480
to back to work for DARPA as a GS fifteen

724
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,960
as a civilian. And then when I got back from Afghanistan,

725
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,360
I resigned my position with them, and so I was

726
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,920
I was never privy to any of that from s C.

727
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:01,000
I C. I do. I do have friends, uh and

728
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,039
and former you know, colleagues and teammates who who did

729
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,400
leave special ops and went into security firms. But I

730
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:18,119
have strong, uh, strong feelings that these are morally ascended

731
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:22,119
people with strong values. And I have a hard time

732
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,880
thinking that they are the hit you know, doing this

733
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,360
kind of thing. So I just don't I just don't

734
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:36,519
have any knowledge. I will say that in terms of

735
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:43,400
you know, high value targets and and get getting rid

736
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,320
of you know, quote evil people. Uh, this this one

737
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,000
percent of psychologically damaged people. I want to be I

738
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,639
want to be compassionate to them. You know, I'd much

739
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,039
rather use the star Trek phaser. Right, That's where Star

740
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,480
Trek gets rid of all these moral dilemmas. You just

741
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:06,800
send them on stun. Right. Well, stunt isn't working. If

742
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:13,880
you've got a K five, you know a plate that

743
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,360
it can't penetrate, right, and so we don't have that option,

744
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,159
right and so, but I want to be compassionate in

745
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,360
their realm and understand that if they aren't pretty to

746
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,800
all the the other information, that maybe this person isn't

747
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
as quite as bad as you think, and maybe they

748
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,679
don't deserve to die, you know, especially if you haven't

749
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,320
personally observed it. You know, my heart goes out to it.

750
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,440
But I don't have any direct evidence either, which way,

751
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:51,280
logically it makes sense to have plausible deniability, right, Yeah,

752
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,559
you offload it to a contractor and have them do it,

753
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,760
kind of like Monday lawn money laundering in the Caymans, right,

754
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,480
I mean, you know it's offloading. And again it's it's

755
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:10,079
a corrosive aspect of leadership where you're you're dodging accountability.

756
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,760
And I have a real problem with that. I talk

757
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,079
a lot about it in my robotics book about my

758
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:23,559
concern that robots are insulating us from the consequences of

759
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,920
our action. You know, as came and we used to

760
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,800
choke people out and hit them direct, you knew exactly

761
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:33,280
who you were hurting and at what level to choke

762
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,320
them out. And then you let go. So they come

763
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,760
back in the consciences or not, but you were held accountable.

764
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Now you hire some robot to do it, and you

765
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,719
don't even you know, And the real dangerous part is

766
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,440
that the robot decides to do it themselves.

767
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,119
Speaker 2: Right.

768
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:56,119
Speaker 3: That's you know, that's the you know, the slippery slope,

769
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,519
that's the cliff. We're sliding that slippery slope directly that

770
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,400
way now. And that's part of my rationale for that

771
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,599
book is to warn us that we got to put

772
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,360
the brakes on harder. So anyway, much more of that.

773
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,920
But I don't have any direct evidence of that, no understood.

774
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I not that I understand, but I can

775
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,840
see like the justification or or the you know, the

776
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,239
legal reasoning or or or whatever for let's say somebody

777
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,159
that was a scientist or or whatever that was part

778
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:30,280
of the deep legacy program that decides that they want

779
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,119
to talk or they're threatening to talk. I could certainly

780
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,239
see the uh, you know.

781
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Thing then at the very least being threatened.

782
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 1: But I think for me personally, like just like as

783
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,199
a journalist, I've heard Jeremy Corbel speak about this.

784
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: I think Ross has alluded to it.

785
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,639
Speaker 1: But I think when when journalists are threatened or intimidated,

786
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,840
then that are journalists that are not.

787
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,039
Speaker 2: Knox for the CIA or anyone else.

788
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: You know, they are clean independent journalists. I'll share a

789
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,320
story with you, and I honestly don't remember if I've

790
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:18,920
shared this publicly, but this is just an.

791
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: Example of what I experienced.

792
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:25,599
Speaker 1: So it was I think in November of twenty twenty three, myself,

793
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:30,280
Josh Boswell and Christopher Sharp at the Liberation Times, we

794
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:36,000
worked on a story for The Daily Mail regarding the Legacy,

795
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:40,599
the Deep Legacy crash retrieval program, and in particular the

796
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,840
CIA's Office of Global Access, which had been highly highly secretive.

797
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,559
You might find one reference to it on the Internet

798
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,599
at that time, but it was very very lockdown, and

799
00:53:54,119 --> 00:54:01,719
we spent months interviewing different sources discussing specifically how uh

800
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,519
D S and T in a c I A office

801
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,800
gle of black sess was heavily involved in the in

802
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,159
the recovery of these of these uh these vehicles of

803
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:16,400
not non human origin. We were so careful about our

804
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,559
communications and uh you know, we did not speak to

805
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:25,119
a soul. We were We've vetted our sources like you

806
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:26,519
like you, you wouldn't believe.

807
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: And the morning that that came out.

808
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: A UH, a friend of ours that UH had worked

809
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,000
in UH, let's say, worked in the government, said to

810
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,639
all of us that had written this story, Look, when

811
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,599
this comes out, this is going to anger a lot

812
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:52,079
of people in the intelligence community. And from this point forward,

813
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,719
even if you're in a hotel room by yourself, the

814
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,360
the names of your sources must never ever leave your

815
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,760
lips again because CIA and d OD they are going

816
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,039
to want to know how you found out what you

817
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:11,000
found out. And we found out later actually that it

818
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:14,880
was a firestorm in the CIA when we added the

819
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,519
Office of Global Access. So anyway, so that the story

820
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:21,719
goes live on the Daily Mail, I think at seven

821
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,280
am Pacific time, and I aired a pre recorded interview

822
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,400
that I shot where we basically interviewed ourselves, Josh, myself

823
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,639
and Christopher Sharp. That morning, I fly to Las Vegas

824
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:39,920
to do to work on a project. And you know,

825
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,159
so I land about eleven o'clock, so the story has

826
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,440
only been live for just just a few hours, and

827
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,800
so I check into the hotel. I'm actually I'm staying

828
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,159
at the Waldorf Astoria on the Strip.

829
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: You know. Five Star hotel.

830
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying for it, and you know there's no casino,

831
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,960
very very quiet, quiet hotel. So I get to the

832
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,760
hotel and I go up to the bar to actually

833
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,599
answer a YouTube comments, and I'm sitting at the bar.

834
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,000
I don't drink alcohol, so I'm sitting there having a soda.

835
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,800
And this individual that morning that had warned us to

836
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:19,719
never repeat our sources ever again said, look, you know

837
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,599
there's a very high chance a FOSI, CIA, FBI they're

838
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:26,960
going to try and honeytrap you because they're going to

839
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,480
want to know how you found out what you found out.

840
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,599
Speaker 2: They will want to know your sources.

841
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,199
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting at this bar and there were literally

842
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,480
only eight people at the bar, maybe ten at the most,

843
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,000
very very quiet, this kind of U shaped bar.

844
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: And.

845
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: This lady comes comes in and starts chatting me up.

846
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,400
In mid thirties, attractive, very well spoken, and to be honest,

847
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,079
at the time, because I was so laser focused on

848
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:58,920
taking care of work, I kind of blew her off.

849
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:04,400
And so I'm sitting there working and it's this U

850
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,400
shaped bar and this heavy set gentleman, you know, maybe

851
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,599
in like his late fifties comes and sits at the

852
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:17,079
opposite side of the bar, this U shaped bar, and

853
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:18,480
you know, I kind of noticed it out of my

854
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:25,320
peripheral vision, and I noticed that he's talking with this

855
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:27,760
with the lady that was trying to chat with me.

856
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,039
So instantly my hackles go up. So I'm sitting there

857
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,199
typing and typing, and I can hear the guy because

858
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:36,639
he's not being loud, but you could, you know, his

859
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,920
voice was caring, And all of a sudden, I hear

860
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,199
the guy say UFO, and I stop typing, and I'm

861
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:48,599
thinking to myself, well, what are the chances of me

862
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,679
sitting at a bar with you know, eight to ten

863
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,800
people in it at this five star hotel that, you know,

864
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,400
it's not like you have riff raff or casino downstairs

865
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:04,440
or whatever. And so I immediately my alarm bells go off,

866
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:06,599
and then I decide, you know what, I'm going to

867
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:12,519
engage this guy. So I look up Adam and I say,

868
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:13,119
excuse me, sir.

869
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be eavesdropping, but I heard you.

870
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: I heard you talk about UFOs, And I said, did

871
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,639
you happen to read that article that came out in

872
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,760
the Daily Mail this morning about UFOs? And he looks

873
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:35,280
at me and he says, quote no, but that article

874
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,079
about Lou Elizondo being a liar sure sticks out in

875
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:45,400
my head, and I'm sure I completely froze, and I

876
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,119
just so I'm thinking to myself, what's going through my

877
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,199
mind is Number one, Lou hadn't been in the media

878
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,519
in well over a year.

879
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,519
Speaker 2: Two who even knows who Lou is unless you track

880
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,199
this topic, you know.

881
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: Three, what are the chances of me just happening to

882
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,079
run into somebody at some bar with only eight to

883
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:10,000
ten people in it? So I just kind of blurred out, well,

884
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,199
you should look up the story. And so I go

885
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,960
back to my computer. My heart is just racing, and

886
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,880
all I can think about is, you know, what is

887
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,960
going on? Because we were super secure and how we

888
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,639
spoke about everything. Our comm security was locked down. And

889
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,719
all I can think about is how did whoever this

890
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,639
is find out where I was going to be. I

891
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:41,079
didn't publicize that I was going to Vegas or anything

892
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:45,599
of that nature. I was very careful not to say anything.

893
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,880
And you know, and hours later, this guy is sitting

894
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,679
across from me, and so I'm sitting a think I

895
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:56,039
actually messaged a couple of people on signal and said, hey,

896
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:57,039
this is what's going on?

897
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: Do I need to be worried?

898
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: And folks said, yeah, you know this, this is this

899
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,000
doesn't smell right. So I waited about ten fifteen minutes later,

900
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,599
and he's still there and he's talking to the girl,

901
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,679
and I finally decide I'm gonna I'm going to engage

902
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:16,920
him again. So I look up to him and I said, hey,

903
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,599
did you ever find that article about the Daily Mail?

904
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,119
And he stands up and then he takes a cell

905
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,000
phone and he's kind of like, you know, sort of

906
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:30,440
weirdly fumbling with it like this, and he and while

907
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,039
he's doing it, he goes, no, but that article about

908
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,440
louel A Zondo being a liar sure sure sticks out

909
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,840
of my head, said the exact same phrase. And he

910
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,920
gets up and he leaves and and for the longest

911
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,440
time I was like, what, you know, why was he

912
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,400
messing with his phone? You know, like he looked like

913
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,519
he didn't want to know what he was doing. But

914
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,280
then I realized he was taking my picture and it

915
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,800
was it was it was clearly a message of intimidation.

916
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,559
But the thing that was so frightening about it is, yeah,

917
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,639
there's no way like a private investigator or somebody else

918
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,119
could have known what we were doing and tracked me

919
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,440
to Vegas and and and followed me to the bar.

920
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:14,840
I mean, it was uh and to be honest, it

921
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:18,920
it really it made me mad and at the same

922
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,199
time it made me it made me sad that that

923
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:25,360
that kind of uh, that kind of thing goes on.

924
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:31,639
And uh, yeah, to this day, it's luckily nothing has

925
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,800
ever occurred since then that I'm aware of, and I'm

926
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,079
you know, I'm very very careful. But it just goes

927
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,559
to show you that that I think that there there

928
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,840
are some bad, bad actors out there. And you know,

929
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,840
I was in Vegas, I think for like two, you know,

930
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,280
a week and a half, two weeks, and I have

931
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,559
to tell you, everywhere I went, I was constantly looking

932
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:54,320
behind looking behind my back.

933
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,119
Speaker 2: I never saw the guy again, but you know, it.

934
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: Was it was intimidating and it and at the end

935
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,800
of it, I mean I was mad as hell.

936
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,039
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, fuck him.

937
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:07,039
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to stop what I'm doing, right,

938
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,400
you know, I'm You're not going to intimidate me to uh,

939
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,480
you know, to stop what I'm doing.

940
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: But anyway.

941
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that was just my hopefully one and

942
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,079
and last last experience.

943
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: Classic trade craft intimidation.

944
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:27,239
Speaker 2: So that does sound like that?

945
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,519
Speaker 3: Is that absolutely?

946
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,119
Speaker 2: Okay?

947
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:32,239
Speaker 1: So absolutely that wasn't That doesn't sound like a private

948
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,039
investigator or somebody like that.

949
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,159
Speaker 3: You never know, I don't, I don't. I don't know.

950
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,039
Like I said, I wasn't good at that stuff. Didn't

951
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:42,280
didn't really get into it. I mean I had some

952
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,800
training in it, but I just I couldn't pull it off.

953
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:49,800
I would never have made it in Hollywood.

954
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:51,719
Speaker 2: Exactly.

955
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: One issue that we were you we're speaking of talking

956
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,159
about the whole NHI thing and and really kind of

957
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,840
the sort of ethic or.

958
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,079
Speaker 2: Ethical decisions that are decisions that are.

959
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,599
Speaker 1: Being made that may be ethical and and they may

960
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:14,719
maybe not. Uh, and you know, the motivations for uh,

961
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:18,079
these folks that maybe have done some things that are

962
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:22,119
not so good. I had national security expert Matthew Pines

963
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:25,360
on our show last and one issue that I brought

964
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,800
up with Matthew on this last Sunday was, you know,

965
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,159
Jake was talking about these craft would be summoned by

966
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,800
people with psionic ability, They would be able to summon

967
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,719
summon them and and then he spoke about these craft

968
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,559
either landing or being brought down. And I don't think

969
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,440
he went and went into any sort of specifics about

970
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,400
that about that happening, but you know, one thing in

971
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,119
his story that really touched me was he was talking

972
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:56,639
about when he when he went up to retrieve one

973
01:03:56,679 --> 01:04:01,199
of these craft, he he had this overwhelming, uh sort

974
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:04,239
of emotional connection that it just came out of the

975
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,079
blue with this vehicle, and uh any any one of

976
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,360
the things that he said that he felt was this

977
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:18,039
profound sadness by whatever this intelligence uh was.

978
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: And and it led to this question, And.

979
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: I would love to know what you might think about this.

980
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,480
If if these NHI craft, if these U A p

981
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,360
are being abated uh into appearing by you know, by

982
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,159
psionic operators or whatever, and then these crafts are being

983
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,719
knocked out of the sky or forced to land, one

984
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:49,760
would uh naturally presume that there are in probably many

985
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,280
cases occupants inside n HI pilots or whatever that uh.

986
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: That that would be piloting these things.

987
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: So if we're we're bringing these things down or forcing

988
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,320
him to land or however that happens, that leads me

989
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,000
to the question, what is happening to these occupants, and

990
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,960
how how can that be ethical?

991
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,039
Speaker 2: How can that be right? Well, so.

992
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: I got lots of thoughts on that. Firstly, you know,

993
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:35,559
returning to the to the abduction amnesty not or the

994
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:40,719
or the paradox is, you know, morally, I believe that

995
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,719
every species has a right to defend itself. And so

996
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:49,559
if if we're going after if we're going in to

997
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,679
you know, grab a polar bear cub from the mom,

998
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,000
that polar bear has every right to slice up one

999
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,159
side down the other yours to pieces. It's sort of

1000
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:06,199
an inherent aspect of life to defend yourself and defend

1001
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:11,760
your family, right, And so if I feel like that

1002
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,400
thing is now here's the problem. Feel like, right, if

1003
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,559
I am convinced in my head that that little that

1004
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:23,320
silver disk is coming down here to take my kids

1005
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:28,400
out of their beds and mess with them, I feel

1006
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:33,679
entitled to do everything I can to prevent that, including

1007
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:39,320
shooting them down. You know. So there's there's an inherent

1008
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:47,480
rational justification to shoot things down if you have reasonable

1009
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:53,719
if you have reason to believe that they are gonna,

1010
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:57,920
you know, take you out of your bed. Now here's

1011
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,840
the problem. All flying saucers look alike, right, and so here,

1012
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,679
and even if it's all these little gray guys, well,

1013
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:10,360
this little gray guy may be a good guy, this

1014
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,440
little gray guy may be a bad guy. Just because

1015
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,679
they're gray guys doesn't mean they deserve to get shopped out, right.

1016
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,480
And just because this flying saucer looks like this flying saucer,

1017
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,679
how do you know they're enough totally different species or

1018
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:32,199
one is controlled, guided, driven, flown by a robot. Right,

1019
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:34,679
So you just don't know. And I'm just gonna go

1020
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,199
right back to Ryan Graves, very pithy, very profound statement.

1021
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,480
It is never a good idea to shoot something down

1022
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:46,360
if you don't know what it is.

1023
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,239
Speaker 2: And so and you believe we have the technology to

1024
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,280
take these things down.

1025
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,599
Speaker 3: I believe we have the technology to take some of

1026
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:59,639
them down. Okay, again, this is belief, not knowledge, sure

1027
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,119
belief based on all the documentation that I've read. And now, look,

1028
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,360
there are those that claim that if it's not peer

1029
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,440
reviewed journal article, then it's rubbish. I don't agree with that. Yeah,

1030
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,760
what I told my cadets is, look, if you want

1031
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,960
me to give you credit on an exam question that

1032
01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:24,800
you don't believe was right, or that had an alternate answer.

1033
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,840
I'm not going to give you those points back unless

1034
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,880
you come to me with three peer reviewed journal articles

1035
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:35,880
to refute that statement. And I did that several times,

1036
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,399
and several cadets went they did more research, trying it

1037
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,359
more effort trying to answer that one question that they

1038
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:44,840
did during the rest of the course. But it was

1039
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,279
worthwhile because I'm teaching them the scientific method, right. But

1040
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:54,680
that doesn't mean that a bunch of books that aren't

1041
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,760
peer reviewed journal articles are worthless. It's still evidence. There

1042
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,159
is still evidence in there. It's not strong evidence. It's

1043
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,520
on the you know, the A one scale versus the

1044
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,079
F six scale. It's kind of probably down near to

1045
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:12,680
the bottom. But it is evidence. Stories are evidence, you know. Look,

1046
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,359
every every scientific experiment you do is a story, you

1047
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,239
know about what you saw on these devices and so forth.

1048
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,880
So it's an interpretation of those devices. That radar data

1049
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,359
that you know becomes the evidence. So you know, when

1050
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,600
you get back to this morality thing again, it's this

1051
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:40,920
compartmentation that is a real prompt if our government knows

1052
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,039
who's the good guys and who the bad guys, or

1053
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:50,479
folks with psionic ability or telepathic ability knows who who's

1054
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,880
good and who's bad. You know, maybe we should be

1055
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,319
tapping into that and figure out how to deal with that.

1056
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,760
But shooting everything down by default, you know, I talk

1057
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:09,359
about you know, and some other presentations I've given about bees. Right,

1058
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:11,920
Gary Nolan loves to use the little ants are the

1059
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,760
angry monkeys, and I love them, and it's the way

1060
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,319
he brings that out. The reason I use bees is

1061
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:27,680
that our planet, our food source depend on bees to

1062
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:34,239
cross pollening, and many crops are highly dependent upon that.

1063
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,880
So we need these bees with stingers that can kill

1064
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,239
us to help feed us. And so it's kind of

1065
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:47,760
a symbiotic relationship, right that you developed with these bees. Now,

1066
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:53,279
when Africanized bees are killer bees made their way into

1067
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:57,079
North America, big human crime is a big problem, and

1068
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:03,960
we were inspired in this country to eradicate them. Right,

1069
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,640
So if we start shooting down every single visitor under

1070
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,079
the auspices that they're all bad guys just because a

1071
01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:17,279
few did some of these experiments we got, we risk eradication.

1072
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:21,079
And that I do agree with with the folks that

1073
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,720
talk about, you know, catastrophic disclosure. Uh, it's not I

1074
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,840
don't think it's a catastrophe. It's it's a catastrophe. It's

1075
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,319
a catastrophic response to disclosure, to declare war on all

1076
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:37,560
of them just because it's our airspace. This, this is ridiculous,

1077
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,680
this airspace notion. It's like elephants declareing their airspace. You

1078
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,439
know what are you? What are you talking about? So

1079
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,239
it's it's so we risk, we risk with that behavior,

1080
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:56,039
that aggressive behavior, going from a tolerated and in fact,

1081
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,319
in many ways supported you know, look what we do.

1082
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:02,680
We will be hives from northern California all the way

1083
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,439
to southern California, all over the place. And I get

1084
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,399
involved in this when I was a dark guy training

1085
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,840
bees to sniff explosives, caught by some all time. But

1086
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,000
we not only tolerate and we support them, we move

1087
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:18,960
them around. And how do we know that the bees

1088
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,439
aren't like, yes, I got a free fire miles right right,

1089
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,680
You think you're hide one all the way to Ohio.

1090
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,359
Mine went from from the east coast to the west

1091
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:32,520
coast and back. Nanny nanny boo, right, So we don't

1092
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,399
know what that looks like. But if we're overly aggressive

1093
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:40,800
in our response, we do a risk eradication because it's

1094
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,600
clear that from the technologies that have been demonstrated that

1095
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,520
they could do.

1096
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: It, sure, of course.

1097
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: And do you feel that the American public is prepared

1098
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,399
or can handle being told about this, that the government

1099
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,720
cannot control our sky eyes and they cannot protect things

1100
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,840
from coming into your room at night?

1101
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: Do you do you think that they're ready for it?

1102
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:08,960
And do you think they deserve to know? This?

1103
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely flipping lutely one of my favorite things that Josh,

1104
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,520
that not just Jake said on his program. We talked

1105
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,439
about this at like and we are in vigorous agreement,

1106
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:27,840
as we are on almost everything is he said? What

1107
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:35,920
did he say? He said, Uh, I don't agree with Oh,

1108
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,720
what was the what was the phrase he used? I'm

1109
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:42,039
trying to tip of the tongue sign pschology so that

1110
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,880
you know what I'm talking about. It wasn't catastrophic disclosure.

1111
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:49,800
It was oh, I'm trying to blank on it. I

1112
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,560
want to re record this section. On said, uh, let's

1113
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,239
figure it out. But but the notion was absolutely, oh,

1114
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:07,159
ontological shock. He goes, I don't believe that this is

1115
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:11,000
going to be an ontological shock. It's been eighty years.

1116
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:13,199
He didn't say that, I'm saying that we have had

1117
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:16,760
eighty years to warm up to this, and so we

1118
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:24,279
are way beyond having this this catastrophic ontological shock. I don't.

1119
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:26,399
I don't think that's the case at all. And the

1120
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,760
other thing that was so important about what Jake said

1121
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:35,239
in regards to his emotional response, it wasn't just that

1122
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:38,640
he felt sadness. He felt an overwhelming sense of love.

1123
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:42,800
And I have heard that time and time again from

1124
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:48,920
experiences across the board, that it's a sadness mixed with love.

1125
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:57,159
Like your kids, right, You're you're sad that they're going

1126
01:14:57,279 --> 01:15:00,039
to have to get punched in the nose on the

1127
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,640
playground to realize it can't shove other people are out.

1128
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,920
You kind of you kind of don't want them to

1129
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,479
be hurt, but you recognize the inevitable need to go

1130
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,199
through that. And so that's the way I felt in

1131
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:18,920
some of my experiences, and I know it's a really

1132
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,000
common feature across the board. So yeah, I don't. I

1133
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,439
don't think we are on an ontological shock. I used

1134
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,359
the notion of, you know, the angry teenagers now look

1135
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,159
quit cheating us like we're fifth graders for crying out loud.

1136
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:37,720
We are teenagers, and we know it all because of

1137
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,439
the Internet, right right, it's time to time to let

1138
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,920
us go. Yeah, understand, we can handle it.

1139
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: I think he said.

1140
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:47,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

1141
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: I think he said something along the lines of he

1142
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,720
doesn't think it's going to be ontological shock. He thinks

1143
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,199
it's going to be ontological relief. Yes, yeah, yeah, I

1144
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,520
love that. And you know, and and speaking about or

1145
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,920
speaking of whether folks are are ready ready for this,

1146
01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:09,000
I want to read you a tweet that or post

1147
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:12,760
on next that that really addressed it. Because when when

1148
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Ross's story came out and they touched on the SI thing,

1149
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,800
I was like, you know what, we shouldn't be talking

1150
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:20,319
about that.

1151
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 2: You know, I've often operated.

1152
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,079
Speaker 1: From the place of, you know, let's let's just focus

1153
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:29,680
on the nuts and bolts. You know, we can't talk

1154
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,159
about abductions any of that kind of stuff. And a

1155
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:38,560
mutual friend of ours who will remain nameless, uh, brought

1156
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,199
brought something up to me and I'm going to read

1157
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,640
it here because I'm really answering the question that I

1158
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,439
posed to you, and I said.

1159
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:49,239
Speaker 2: Today, I said, quote.

1160
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 1: At first, I thought that perhaps the SI aspect of

1161
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,399
the phenomenon should have been left out of Jake Barber's interview.

1162
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,439
I thought people were not ready for it, and it

1163
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,439
needed to be a conversation at some point far down

1164
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,600
the road, perhaps even years later. Then a friend who

1165
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,039
has worked on worked in the government on the UFO

1166
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:16,880
problem said this to me. Quote just because people aren't

1167
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,920
ready for it doesn't mean they don't deserve it. If

1168
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,119
what Jake claims is true, which appears to be the

1169
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:28,079
case and is replicable, I think he did exactly what

1170
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:31,800
he should have done. Closed quote and I ended, ended,

1171
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:36,239
ended it. I ended the tweet by saying, and this

1172
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,239
is true. And this is how it was. Like a

1173
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:40,800
light bulb went off in my in my head today,

1174
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,239
I said, you know, I said, uh. Then it dawned

1175
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:48,239
on me that my thinking that that aspect of the

1176
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:52,880
phenomenon needed to be postponed to another time is the

1177
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:59,479
exact same thinking the legacy program, gatekeepers and administrations have

1178
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:05,199
used for decades to avoid confronting this problem. The very

1179
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:10,760
thinking I have publicly railed against. I was being hypocritical

1180
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:13,399
and didn't even realize it.

1181
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Speaker 2: So all this time I've.

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Speaker 1: Been, you know, railing on the government and the IC

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and the d O d uh for not coming out here,

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I was finding myself saying to myself, Ah, you know what,

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01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,760
people can't handle this. Let's uh, let's talk about nuts

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and bolts and a few few years later maybe.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about abductions or all of that. And you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, just because people aren't ready for it

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doesn't mean they don't deserve it. And and I closed

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the tweet by saying, the fact is you can't cherry

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01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:52,520
pick telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: The public deserves to know. It's all or nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So first and almost, matt, ah, be kind to yourself.

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This is part of this you know, uh, forgiving process.

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So the undertitle on my book is a Path to

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Forgiveness in the Disclosure Age. And I mean that very

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sincerely because we're all struggling with this, right, And I

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think that that's why I'm so vigorously in agreement with

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Jake's point, that of of ontological relief. And I think

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i'll quote him on that. I love that sound bite, right,

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,520
because here's the thing. You know, you're never ready. You're

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01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,760
you're never ready as a graduate student to defend your thesis.

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01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:52,680
You're never ready to defend your dissertation. They're going to

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01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,079
hammer you, right, with questions every which way, but Luke's

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01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:01,399
as a commander on five separate occasions, I had to

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01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:06,920
take into account what the intelligence analysts were telling me,

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and intelligence officers, ad bonds commanders decide we got to go,

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and that if we waited until we had you know,

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a ninety to ten ratio, or even a sixty to

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01:20:25,079 --> 01:20:29,199
fifty ratio, whatever it happens to be, that they would

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guarantee we never go in on battle. We'd never this.

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Human beings would never have left the cave to take

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01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,880
on a side of the tooth tiger, right, And so this

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01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:46,520
is why the command world gets big egos. We have

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to be over confident. We would never It's like firefighters,

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01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,800
they would never run into that building unless they were

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,640
over confident that their equipment was good enough to prevent,

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01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:02,720
you know, Helmut the acid from dripping down onto their skull,

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,199
or that they would, you know. So there has to

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be an inequality. But it's a fine line. You gotta

1221
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,880
you gotta reign your ego in, but you're still going

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,920
to maintain enough confidence to do these super high risk things.

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So I could not agree more with Jake that we're

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01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:24,439
never gonna be ready. But the problem right now is

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01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:30,920
when we have human beings brothers from the Seals, killing

1226
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:36,119
from you know, Green Berets and back and forth, just

1227
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,680
because they're retired, they're working for different companies. This is

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:45,920
this is madness, right, So we've got to fix that,

1229
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,159
and this is an opportunity to do that. This new

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administration has an opportunity to do that, and I hope

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01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,960
the heck that they do they take advantage of that

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01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,399
to heal us rather than continuing this divide and I

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have I'm optimistic by nature, I'm hoping that they will.

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01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,319
But that's the key is recognizing that we have the

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01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:16,800
opportunity for ontological relief. Finally somebody is going to come

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01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,279
clean and said yes, yeah, and and and there's a

1237
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:26,479
bunch of them, and we want to join this galactic society,

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:32,000
like Himashed stated, like Paul Hellier stated, you know, these

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01:22:32,039 --> 01:22:35,960
are high level defense ministers and we're going to ignore

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them just because they're from Israel and Canada, right, I

1241
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:44,239
mean for Krana Loud. So so that's a that's probably

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of all the things that Jake came forward with, it's

1243
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:55,880
conveying that that deep, profound sense of love mixed with

1244
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:59,640
sadness at the divisive nature of us and this corrosive

1245
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,279
leaders that we're continuing to propagate instead of bringing Tim

1246
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:07,960
Galladett into this and fixing it. I mean, he's served already.

1247
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The guy deserves a break, but I hope he gets

1248
01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:16,880
in ball stays involved. And then third is we gotta

1249
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dismiss the analysts and the intelligence guys that say I

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01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,760
love them. I love them like like the brothers they

1251
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,560
are the heroes they are, But I disagree with you.

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01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:30,439
We are ready. We are ready now. We are ready

1253
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,720
as we need to be. We're never going to get

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01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,159
to the ninety nine percent, so give up on it.

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01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,359
Let's do it now before we continue to corrode. And

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that's that's that's my claim to those guys. I love

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01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,760
all you guys, Jase Dry I hope you listen to this,

1258
01:23:44,319 --> 01:23:50,279
lou Dave, all you guys, but we're never going to

1259
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:51,479
be ready. We got to do it now.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't couldn't agree more.

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01:23:54,119 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: My final question for you, and and thank you so

1262
01:23:57,119 --> 01:23:59,960
much for coming on our show. This is by far

1263
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one of one of I think one of the most

1264
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,640
really gratifying interviews I think I've ever done. Do you

1265
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,600
think do you think that more do you think that

1266
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,880
more members of the special forces community will see other

1267
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:21,520
special forces operators come forward, like like Jake or people

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,800
like yourself speaking speaking up, Do you think that will

1269
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:30,720
encourage other members of our military, of our special forces

1270
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:36,039
community to come out whistle blow and uh and and

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01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:37,960
really try and write this ship.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely hope. So I think it's already happening. Randy

1273
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:44,039
just came out. I talked to him a year ago.

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I'm certainly not. You know, Dave wanted me to play

1275
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:50,760
a similar role with with him as with Jake and

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01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,359
his guys.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 3: He just came out. He did a podcast and he

1279
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:56,600
was talking about, you know, as an eighteen BRABO. Now

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he is a verifiable Green Beret who had a fascinating

1281
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:08,439
experience at the Crane Naval Special Warfare Facility, brought downstairs,

1282
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down deep down into a very sophisticated facility, and was

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01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:23,680
exposed to, incidentally, a very similar looking device that Bob

1284
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,279
Lasar talked about back in nineteen eighty eight, this spear

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sort of thing. So he's come forward. I hope that it.

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I don't I don't want to use the term explode,

1287
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but I hope I hope that it blooms with my

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brothers and sisters in the soft community and elsewhere, because

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I do agree with with Danny Shean, you know, as

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a legal expert, about the use of a of a

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01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:01,560
non disclosure agreement that was intended to prevent us from

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revealing secrets to our adversaries. Right, So that's when you're

1293
01:26:07,039 --> 01:26:10,880
a military person, you agreed not to give up secrets

1294
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,880
that that could, you know, enable the enemy to defeat us. Right,

1295
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,600
That's that's clear, and that's that's that's wonderful logic. It

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01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,000
makes all the sense in the world. But to use

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01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:26,920
that to say that you can't talk about this anomalous

1298
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:30,239
thing that we can't even put we don't even acknowledge exists,

1299
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:37,880
that's ridiculous. That is a bastardization, a misuse and abuse

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01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:44,520
of a democratic legal system. Uh, in an immoral sense.

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01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,960
It's not just illegal like Stephen Griss has all the time,

1302
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,520
never mind legality, it's im moral to do something like

1303
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,840
that to control a society. That flies in the face

1304
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:59,560
of the democratic notion that this country and many other

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:05,039
countries were bothered on. So yeah, I think this. I

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01:27:05,119 --> 01:27:09,560
hope this blooms, and so many of us realize that, hey,

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01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:14,960
we haven't declared war on ets, so that NDA you

1308
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:19,920
signed that does not apply to this, right, so's yes,

1309
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:24,720
that's my hope. I'm eternally optimistic, as you know, Matt,

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,000
and I think that is going to happen, and it's

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,479
going to be ontological relief. Just like Jake says, Now,

1312
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,319
that doesn't mean we got to be broadcast into China

1313
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,800
how to defeat our weapons systems, right, I mean, that's

1314
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,039
ridiculous and for somebody to claim both of those. Eventually,

1315
01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:48,560
hopefully we get to the United States of Earth and

1316
01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:54,319
we treat China like our next door neighbor state. But

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01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,640
it'll take some growth before we get to that point.

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Speaker 1: I think absolutely well, doctor Blinch, thank you, firstly, thank

1319
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,680
you for your service to this great country. Thank you

1320
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,520
for speaking up, and thank you for what you've done

1321
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,399
in terms of helping being a major part of this

1322
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,239
story from from a whistleblower Jake Barber and uh and

1323
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:19,960
uh and then finally, when might we expect your book?

1324
01:28:21,359 --> 01:28:24,119
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, So I'm still polishing up the manuscript. I

1325
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:27,439
have a cover all ready to go, and we're spinning

1326
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:28,319
up a website.

1327
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to give timelines because that's sort of

1329
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,479
just like predicting disclosure, right a little Yeah, we'll be

1330
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:38,039
coming soon.

1331
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Uh uh.

1332
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Speaker 3: And I'm still in doctor review from my robotics book,

1333
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,319
so I kind of want to get that under my

1334
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:47,039
belt before I do this one. So as soon as

1335
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:48,880
I can do it, Matt, I guess that's probably my

1336
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:49,479
best answer.

1337
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:50,359
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

1338
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: Well, I look forward to meeting meeting back up again

1339
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,920
when you're you're in the LA area. We had a

1340
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,279
fabulous dinner a couple of months ago. But but again,

1341
01:28:59,319 --> 01:29:02,159
thank you very much for what you're doing for this

1342
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:06,560
disclosure process and what you've done for this country, and

1343
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,520
we look forward to having you back on the show.

1344
01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you Matt for the risks you continue

1345
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,079
to accept on behalf of your fellow humans. Have a

1346
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:17,319
great night, folks.

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01:29:17,359 --> 01:29:19,800
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1348
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,600
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01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,159
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