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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever felt, you know, like programming languages are

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<v Speaker 1>handed down from on high by these unapproachable wizards.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely, Like there's this mystical council of language designers

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere right.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, the lowly programmer, you just have to accept

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<v Speaker 1>their arbitrary rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the rules about type systems or memory management or

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<v Speaker 2>scope exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a super pervasive mindset in software engineering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is. I mean we're conditioned from our

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<v Speaker 2>very first Hello World tutorial to view a programming language

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<v Speaker 2>as this, well, this unyielding law of physics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You just memorize the syntax, you parse the documentation,

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<v Speaker 1>and you try your best to operate inside the sandbox

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Built for you, which is incredibly limiting, honestly it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So today's deep dive is about entirely shattering that illusion.

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<v Speaker 1>We're using the classic computer science text Essentials of Programming Languages,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically the third edition by Daniel P. Friedman and Mitchell Wan,

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<v Speaker 1>a total classic. Yeah, and we are going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the foundational mechanism of language design. We're exploring how an

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<v Speaker 1>interpreter is actually, when you get down to it, just

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<v Speaker 1>another program, right, It's not magic exactly, and mastering that

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<v Speaker 1>concept shifts your mindset from being a mere consumer of

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<v Speaker 1>a language to being an architect. Okay, let's unpack this.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do we even begin with a paradigm shift like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Well, we start by dismantling that artificial wall, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the one between a program and a programming language.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>In the forward to the book, hal Abelson shares this

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<v Speaker 2>really revealing story about his early career. He was building

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<v Speaker 2>this massive data entry and information retrieval system using PLI. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>using PLI, which was this notoriously heavy, feature rich language

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and he viewed PLI as this rigid rule book like.

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<v Speaker 1>His job, as he saw it back then, was to

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<v Speaker 1>pick through this massive manual, select predefined features, and then

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<v Speaker 1>painstakingly fit them together into a monolith exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>He describes a resulting program as a mosaic. Mosaic yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning every individual piece of logic had to be carefully

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<v Speaker 2>chiseled to fit exactly into place. It was fragile, it

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<v Speaker 2>was inflexible.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he never considered that there was an underlying architectural

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<v Speaker 1>logic to how PLI was organized, or that he actually

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<v Speaker 1>had the agency to override those original designer's decisions right to.

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<v Speaker 2>Better suit his own domain. But you don't question the

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<v Speaker 2>wizards who wrote the compiler.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you just pray you don't trigger a syntax error, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But the revelation Ableson ultimately shares is that the interpreter

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<v Speaker 2>for a computer language is literally just another program executing instructions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just code, just code. I mean, almost every complex

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<v Speaker 2>software system you interact with today, whether it's a sophisticated

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<v Speaker 2>CAD tool, or a modern web browser's rendering engine, or

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<v Speaker 2>even the logic loop of a video game engine, they

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<v Speaker 2>all contain an embedded interpreter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I guess I never thought about it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that interpreter acts as the dynamic glue, allowing users

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<v Speaker 2>to combine individual operations into customs patterns. And what's fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>here is that once you internalize this, you realize that

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<v Speaker 2>advanced programmers don't just write monolithic programs in one fixed

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<v Speaker 2>general purpose language they don't know they view themselves as

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<v Speaker 2>creators of custom embedded sub languages, like domain specific languages

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<v Speaker 2>tailored specifically for the problem they're trying to solve.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I picture the traditional mindset like building a Lego

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<v Speaker 1>set using only the instruction manual that came in the box.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you follow the predetermined steps, you build the specific

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<v Speaker 1>spaceship on the cover, and you stop. But this master

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<v Speaker 1>programmer mindset they're describing, it's like having a plastic molding

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<v Speaker 1>machine in your living room exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making your own pieces, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're inventing entirely new Lego shapes with custom interlocking mechanisms

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<v Speaker 1>to solve a problem the original Lego designers never even anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, if we're inventing our own Lego bricks, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we systematically describe their shapes? I mean, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>just throw melted plastic at the wall and hope a

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<v Speaker 1>valid expression emerges.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, you definitely can't do that. To build a

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<v Speaker 2>language that a computer can actually execute, we first need

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<v Speaker 2>a mathematically rigorous way to define the data, the new

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<v Speaker 2>brex that our language is going to parse and manipulate.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and this is where the math comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The book grounds this in the concepts of inductive

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<v Speaker 2>definitions and grammars.

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<v Speaker 1>Which involves defining complex structures from the ground up using

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<v Speaker 1>rules of inference. So, if you're listening to this and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to visualize it. Picture like a horizontal line on

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<v Speaker 1>a talkboard. Above that line you write your hypotheses, the

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<v Speaker 1>axioms or previously proven facts you know are true. Below

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<v Speaker 1>the line, you write your conclusion. If the conditions above

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<v Speaker 1>the line are met, the statement below the line is

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<v Speaker 1>mathematically guaranteed to be true exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And by using these rules of inference, you build these

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<v Speaker 2>complex nested data structures out of simpler atomic ones. And

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<v Speaker 2>to handle this systematically for programming languages, the book Formal Grammars,

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<v Speaker 2>right the grams. Yeah, So a grammar consists of non

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<v Speaker 2>terminal symbols, which represent the abstract sets of things being defined,

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<v Speaker 2>like an expression or a statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have terminal symbols, which are the literal strings

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<v Speaker 2>or characters in the source code.

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<v Speaker 1>So a terminal symbol is your literal parenthesis, your comma,

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<v Speaker 1>or your your let keyword yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally you have productions, which are the actual

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<v Speaker 2>rules connecting them. They're typically denoted with a double colon

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<v Speaker 2>and an equal sign along with notation like the clean

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<v Speaker 2>star for you know, zero or more repetitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So a non terminal is the overarching concept like

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<v Speaker 1>a list of integers, and the production rule dictates that

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<v Speaker 1>a list of integers can be an empty list, or

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a single integer attached to another list

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<v Speaker 1>of injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's inherently recursive, right, And that recursion brings us

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<v Speaker 2>to the first really monumental takeaway slogan of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>which is follow the grammar.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow the grammar. It sounds like a mantra.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a mantra, but it's also the architectural secret

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<v Speaker 2>to writing code that processes complex nested data safely. How So, well,

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<v Speaker 2>when you write procedures that operate on inductively defined data,

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<v Speaker 2>the control flow of your interpreter must perfectly mirror the

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<v Speaker 2>recursive structure of your grammar.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh perfectly mirror it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, For every single non terminal in your language's grammar,

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<v Speaker 2>you write exactly one corresponding procedure, and inside that procedure,

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<v Speaker 2>you write one specific branching alternative, like a case in

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<v Speaker 2>the switch statement, for every single production rule that defines

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<v Speaker 2>that nonterminal.

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<v Speaker 1>And the authors pair that with a second equally strict slogan. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>no mysterious auxiliaries, yes, meaning, if you introduce a helper

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<v Speaker 1>function into your interpreter, like maybe something tracking the current

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<v Speaker 1>index position. While you're traversing an abstract syntax tree. You

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<v Speaker 1>are required to formally specify the behavior of that function

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<v Speaker 1>on all possible inputs, not just the initial starting state.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, you have to be exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit, as developer, my instinct is to push.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on this. Oh really, why?

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<v Speaker 1>It just feels unbelievably pedantic, Like if I write a

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<v Speaker 1>complex grammar for a binary search tree, are you telling

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<v Speaker 1>me I must write a dedicated function for the interior

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<v Speaker 1>nodes and a completely separate dedicated function just for the

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<v Speaker 1>leaf nodes, even if they share some logic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's exactly what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like baking a three tier cake and being

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<v Speaker 1>told my recipe must have explicitly separate standalone chapters for

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom tier, the middle tier, and the top tier,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise the kitchen will literally catch fire.

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<v Speaker 2>This raises an important question, why demands such strict, pedantic

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<v Speaker 2>rigidity from the programmer?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Why?

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<v Speaker 2>The answer lies in the mechanics of a mathematical concept

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<v Speaker 2>called structural induction, which is honestly your only defense against catastrophic,

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<v Speaker 2>hard to trace bugs in compiler design.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, lay the mechanics of structural induction on me.

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<v Speaker 2>So when your code structure perfectly mirrors your grammar's structure,

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<v Speaker 2>you unlock the ability to mathematically prove your program's care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Structural induction works in two steps. First, you prove

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<v Speaker 2>your procedure works on the base cases, the simplest, smallest

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of data, like an empty list or the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>leaf of a binary tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, the absolute boto right.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, you prove the combination step, meaning, assuming the procedure

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<v Speaker 2>works on a small subset of the tree, you prove

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<v Speaker 2>it will correctly process a node that combines those subsets.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see. By forcing the interpreter's code to look

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like the data's grammar, you automatically eliminate those bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>edge cases where nested structures mysteriously cause a stack overflow

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<v Speaker 1>or just you know, silently fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, if the base cases are sound and the combination

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<v Speaker 2>logic is sound, the entire infinite tree is sound.

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<v Speaker 1>But once we have defined all this incredibly detailed data,

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't want to look at those messy structural

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<v Speaker 1>details every time I write an evaluation step. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when building a language. We need a mechanism to hide

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<v Speaker 1>that underlying complexity, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We we do, and that requirement pivots us directly into

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<v Speaker 2>data abstraction. Data abstraction is the practice of strictly dividing

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<v Speaker 2>our data types into a public interface and a hidden implementation.

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<v Speaker 1>So the interface dictates what the data can do, the

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<v Speaker 1>constructors used to build it in memory, and the observers

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<v Speaker 1>the raw memory management and pointer logic operating under.

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<v Speaker 2>The hood, exactly. And to demonstrate the power of this separation,

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<v Speaker 2>Friedman and Wand used this great conceptual example of natural numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the interface for a natural number requires very little.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need a constructor for zero, an observer to

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<v Speaker 2>check if a value is zero, and constructors to generate

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<v Speaker 2>the successor or predecessor of a given number.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So the client code just calls successor five and

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<v Speaker 1>expects six exactly, But.

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<v Speaker 2>The underlying implementation of those natural numbers can be wildly different.

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<v Speaker 2>The book introduces a unary representation where numbers are essentially

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<v Speaker 2>represented as linked lists of boolean values.

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<v Speaker 1>Low my mind. So under the hood, the number two

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a binary integer it's literally a list containing two

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<v Speaker 1>true values.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and zero is just an empty list.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is incredibly inefficient for computation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh terribly inefficient, but it flawlessly satisfies the required interface.

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<v Speaker 2>A more practical implementation they discuss is big nums. So

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<v Speaker 2>instead of relying on the host machine's standard memory registers,

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<v Speaker 2>which might overflow if an integer exceeds sixty four bits,

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<v Speaker 2>big numbs represent massive integers as lists of smaller digits

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<v Speaker 2>in a very large base. Wow. This allows your language

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<v Speaker 2>to handle astronomical calculations without the client code ever knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the memory allocation strategy actually changed.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of the interpreter remains blissfully ignorant. It asks

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<v Speaker 1>for a number, and it gets a number. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>where it gets really interesting, at least for me. It

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<v Speaker 1>was when the authors applied this abstraction concept to environments. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, environments are crucial. They're the mechanical backbone of lexical

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<v Speaker 2>scoping in any.

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<v Speaker 1>So, an environment is simply the data structure that associates

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<v Speaker 1>variable names with their bound values. Like when your language

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<v Speaker 2>Right and you could implement an environment as an a list,

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<v Speaker 1>But then the book introduces the procedural representation.

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<v Speaker 2>Break down the mechanics of the procedural representation because it's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So instead of representing an environment as passive data

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of it like this. The traditional data structure approach

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<v Speaker 2>Right flipping through them.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>When queried, they immediately execute their function and speak the

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<v Speaker 2>Assistant is literally a closure holding onto state. You are

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<v Speaker 1>But suppose your underlying implementation language like C doesn't support

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<v Speaker 2>Smart assistant, right, You're stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to take the exact instructions that assistant would

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<v Speaker 2>And that mechanical transformation is the technique called defunctionalization.

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<v Speaker 1>So by defunctionalizing, we convert dynamic procedural behavior back into

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, we're separating the pure executable meaning of the code

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<v Speaker 1>Which perfectly maps to the broader architectural separation of abstract

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<v Speaker 2>And by combining data abstraction, defunctionalized environments, and abstract syntax trees,

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<v Speaker 1>The interpreter recipe which dictates the control flow of the

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<v Speaker 2>And armed with procedural environments to manage state and that

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<v Speaker 2>in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is where we bring the theory to life.

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<v Speaker 1>The book systematically upgrades our capability by walking through three

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with LED. The LED language establishes our baseline

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So, when a let expression is evaluated, the interpreter

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<v Speaker 2>That new environment exactly. And once the block finishes, that

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<v Speaker 1>It's elegant memory management, but lee T is just the foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>The real paradigm shift arrives with the PROC language.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh PROC is huge. PROC elevates procedures from static top

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<v Speaker 1>Values, meaning in PRC, a function is treated exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can pass a function as an argument to

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<v Speaker 1>But to make first class functions work, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>that a procedure's behavior must be governed by the environment

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<v Speaker 1>not the environment where it happens to be executed later, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The underlying data structure that enforces this rule is called

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's in it?

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<v Speaker 2>That closure captures three distinct pieces of data, the formal parameter,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the input variable name, the abstract syntax tree

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<v Speaker 1>You know, while studying this, I initially questioned the necessity

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't a function just grab the closest available variable

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<v Speaker 1>bindings from the call stack when it is actually executed.

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<v Speaker 1>That avoids storing the environment entirely? Ah? I see, And

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<v Speaker 1>the alternative I was imagining is actually known as dynamic scope.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and the authors include exercises exploring dynamic scope to

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrate exactly why it's considered an anti pattern in modern

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<v Speaker 1>I came up with an analogy for this. Lexical scoping

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<v Speaker 1>is like packing a highly specific lunch box in your

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like this.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if you travel to a corporate office,

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<v Speaker 1>break and open that box, you consume the exact sandwich

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<v Speaker 2>That makes perfect sense, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamic scoping is like walking into whatever room you currently

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<v Speaker 1>are lying around. Oh wow, Yeah, if you're called inside

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a debugging nightmare. And if we connect

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<v Speaker 2>is honestly one of the most mechanically powerful inventions in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of computer science. Really yes, Because a function

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<v Speaker 1>Like currying right named after the mathematician Haskell Curry exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Currying is the mechanical process of taking a function that

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<v Speaker 2>and because of lexical closures, that inner function inherently remembers

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<v Speaker 1>Was bound, so you can chain these closures together dynamically,

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<v Speaker 1>building these complex stataware pipelines without ever relying on global

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<v Speaker 1>variables exactly. But there is a glaring mechanical hurdle when

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<v Speaker 2>Ah the recursive nott.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. If I'm writing a function named calculate factorial, its

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<v Speaker 2>It is the ultimate compiler chicken and egg paradox. A

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<v Speaker 1>So how do they solve it?

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<v Speaker 2>Solving this requires the final language progression. The trick introduces

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<v Speaker 1>Veriic okay, extend on verik yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It solves the paradox by fundamentally mutating the environment structure

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<v Speaker 2>to tie a recursive knot. Mechanically, the interpreter allocates a

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<v Speaker 2>pointer for the function name okay. It then creates the closure,

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<v Speaker 2>pointing the closure's captured environment back to this new frame. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>So it creates a circular reference in memory. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>environment points to the closure and the closure points back

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<v Speaker 1>recursion without unraveling the fabric of the interpreter. It's brilliant,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. So what does this all mean. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>bring this vast mechanical landscape back to you, the listener.

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<v Speaker 1>We started this deep dive by asking if programming languages

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully we've proved they aren't exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You've seen that language design is entirely systematic. If you

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<v Speaker 1>upgrading from unary lists to massive integer arrays. You've learned

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<v Speaker 1>that capture their native state like a packed lunch box,

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<v Speaker 2>Programming languages are not mystical incantations. They're just meticulously structured

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<v Speaker 1>Just data and recipes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. An interpreter is nothing more than a program that

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<v Speaker 2>traverses an abstract syntax tree, resolves variable bindings in an

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<v Speaker 2>essentials of programming languages, you acquire the conceptual blueprint to

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<v Speaker 2>look at any modern language, whether it's Python's dynamic typing,

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<v Speaker 2>Russ's barrochecker, or JavaScript's event loop, and actually understand the

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<v Speaker 1>You transition from a mere user of tools into a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know where this is going.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned today that an interpreter is just a program

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<v Speaker 2>Language you're referencing the compiler bootstrapping paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, imagine you design language X and you write the

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<v Speaker 1>How could that compiler possibly execute for the very first

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you write a crude temporary interpreter an assembly just

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mechanical raboros and it is something for you

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<v Speaker 1>Remember those wizards handing down the rules, They had to

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<v Speaker 1>construct their own wands from scratch first. Thanks for joining

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