Speaker 1: Get up the bags, get up bags times, get off
the face. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the
geek First podcast. Six hundred and thirty two is the
episode that you're listening watching, however not tasting, not yet.
Maybe one day in the future it would like eating
up aisode by I am the clown Prints of the
Red Wine Supernova tress now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I Am Mostly Scrapped, Pat Sir.
Speaker 3: I'm the Green and the Gills Dylan.
Speaker 4: Mus I'm beyond the gills.
Speaker 1: Oh God, gills, skills, gills, gills. A's and gentlemen. Yes,
we're here to do a little impromptu newscast because things
are piling up. We got trailers, we finally got a
director for a big time movie coming up. We got rumors,
we got lots of good stuff. So we're not gonna
waste too much time. We're gonna get into it soon,
but quickly, mister Field, what have you been watching?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: While we're still continuing down the path of the Bear.
That's what we've been focusing on. And I feel like
there was something else that I tapped into. I can't
remember what that is, though, although I did come close
to starting Shit's creek, uh, hearing hearing individuals talking about
it close where I was gonna like click the play button,
but then I clicked play on the bear instead. You
found it though, you you know where I found it.
I found it. I know where it is, and I
think there's a high chance that I will revisit. I'm
we're almost on the Bear. So once that's over and
done with old dude, Ship's creak because I keep hearing
lots of people really enjoying the show, and we're watching
the show and done.
Speaker 3: Quite a few years at this.
Speaker 4: How many seasons is it?
Speaker 1: Like? There's five?
Speaker 2: That was a guess, put.
Speaker 4: My money down the five. Well, I'm excited to get
into it.
Speaker 3: Then yes, you need.
Speaker 1: And that's it. Just that's the only even watching It's just.
Speaker 4: I mean, I did watch Abigail. I stayed up late
pop that on and I was like through the roof
ecstatic on that movie. I already I want to watch
it again, desperately.
Speaker 1: I really really want to watch any time.
Speaker 4: That's why I watched the first time. I am planning
to watch Immaculate. I see that on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: Amazon Prime has got a lot of good freebies right now,
which he paid freebies. Well, you pay for the sub
but the movie is free in itself. I don't got
to pay that rental price.
Speaker 1: It comes with the paying.
Speaker 2: It comes with the pays like a Netflix purchase as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say you got lots of great additions,
but you're still paying for Netflix. You're still paying for
if you were to, well, if you were to not
sub to Amazon Prime, you would not just get these movies.
But all look at these freebies from Amazon. You know
you would cease to be access those films.
Speaker 4: I would cease. But it's the same thing like I
pay for Amazon, but I also have to pay for
the items I order off Amazon too, But I don't
have to pay for these movies.
Speaker 1: You already are, though.
Speaker 4: Debatable, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm paying.
Speaker 4: I see it as I'm paying for other services and
the movies are just free.
Speaker 1: This is the best debate going on tonight, right, There's
no other debates this, This is it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: So are you at season three the bar yet?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes? Are are people's warnings to you? True? I'm something
that's not got to the bear. Season three. I also
talked about the big decline.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I mean, in terms of like
an intensity and high octanus, i'd say that is declined.
But I feel like the character arcs, they're really diving
into a lot more of the backstory and specific characters,
and I feel like it's been a lot more emotional,
which I like. But I definitely like I can see
why the people probably like it too. In the other
seasons where it's just like one whole half an hour episode,
it's just you're pulling your hair out because it's so
stressful with the shit that they're dealing with and going on.
Speaker 1: So you don't tweet much and you tweet about randomly
John Barenthal winning.
Speaker 4: The Uh that was as because I just saw that
episode like not too long ago, and then I see
that on my feet, I'm like, oh, well this is
great because yeah, he was fantastic in that episode. That
was just he's throwing the fucking fork like it's such
a great episode, it's so intense.
Speaker 1: Does that make you more excited? You know, Daredevil Punisher's
in that what he should have won a m ME
four a long time ago, but.
Speaker 4: Very excited like that tweet, Uh pumped for this retro
we're gonna do Kirkland.
Speaker 1: You have to got to watch. I tweeted out that
that was Emmy Warp winning performance. I remember John Bernheal
lights that tweet back in the day. So got no nomination,
but in my heart, that's that's what we won for first.
You know, So, mister Muss, what movies are you watching?
Not for free on Amazon?
Speaker 3: So what I'm watching for free on Netflix? Uh No,
I don't know. I don't want anything to do with
this free versus.
Speaker 1: Page debait the discord.
Speaker 3: The only thing I've watched is on the weekend, my
parents are here and with them I watched get Out,
which I haven't watched in quite a few years. I
feel like I don't know if I've seen it after
watching US and Nope and all these things, it's been
it's been quite a quite a long time before I
revisited that movie, and wow, it really it it. I
think it hit me harder than it ever has before.
I feel like there's just so many little details strewn
about that movie. When you know what everything is that's
already going on, just seeing all these details connect together.
So yeah, I don't know. I think that's that's just
a movie. That I've just enjoyed every time. I've enjoyed
it more every time i've rewatched it, And yeah, just
so many great details. The tension of it really holds up.
It's just so much fun. So shout us to Jordan Peel.
I'm very excited for because it's like two years away
his next movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's still twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a bummer, but I just love
what he's doing. So I think that's the only thing
I watched, so, you know, just an old bit of goodie.
Speaker 1: I know you at least watched it one other time
because I think you and I talked about that. We
both liked it more on a second watch, and I'm probably.
Speaker 3: The fourth time I've watched it overall. But I do
feel like it has been quite a good minute since
since I have rewatched it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that movie gets better and
better every time. I think I got some issues still
that third act, but it's still still good stuff. You know,
it's not nope, you know, his best one yet, but
it's no Nope. People don't don't want to say that.
But what about you, Kirkling?
Speaker 2: What about me? I think get Out might be better
than nope, I fear to ask me for what I've
been watching. I am on the final episode of Queen's
Gambit now, so just about rounded up that series and
just fantastic. It's really really good. I feel like there's
a lot of actors and actresses that I hadn't really
seen before that, Like they're just really popping off in
the show. It's like, damn, like where have they kind
of been my whole life, because I think they're really stellar.
And yeah, I just think it's really good and I'm
glad I finally jumped into that show and it's just
about over here. And other than that, nothing, nothing too much.
We got a you know, podcast movie talk about I'll
save those thoughts for that day when that happens.
Speaker 1: Watch another movie from that director though recently.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, thank you for reminding me. I recently watched
Saltburn with Shake. She had never seen it before, and
she reluctantly she kept saying she was never going to
see it, and then, you know, I just whittled her down.
She made a promise that once we were done at
Reno's she would watch with me, and we watched it,
and I fucking love that movie. So much. I like
it more than the first time I saw it. I
think it's just super stellar ten ten. I just I
love that movie. It's such a visual masterpiece. I love
the soundtrack, I love the characters, I love I just
love that movie. And Shaye really enjoyed it too, So yeah,
it was a fun watch there. What else I kind
of did like a rapid fire of Disney movies, just
like a random little collection. I did Zootopia. I hadn't
seen that in a very very long time, but I
really like it. I really like those characters and surprised
they haven't done another one so like well like sooner,
I feel I feel like it's been so long since
Utopia one has come out. What else I did Tangled.
I really really loved that movie. I think it's fantastic.
Atlantis Lost Empire. That's like s tier childhood cartoon of mine.
I love that movie. And Leland and Stitch just just
the first one I feel like around the live action
news time, I like try to think about Leland Stitch
and I wanted to jump back into that movie. I
uh yeah, another favorite of mine. So just some nice
little easy watches with some Disney flicks and beyond that,
just Queen's cambit.
Speaker 4: The Me and Mason were talking about this a few
weeks ago. I can't remember, but we were casting for
a live action Atlantis movie, and I think we were
picking Tom Holland as like the main main lead. We
casted everyone, and I wish I could remember. I have
to ask her another time who else we cast. We
had Chris Pratten there too.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have Zendia is the aist?
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 2: He's Chris Pratt. Is he the moullman?
Speaker 1: No, you can't.
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Disrespects Pratt. You're the leader of multi billion dollar franchises.
You're gonna be moullman. Geez. That's the other thing. You've
been watching, Kirkland some football you did? You know you
watched that?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's actually that's true. I got my first experience
of Opening week football and COM's down. Yeah, oh yeah.
I'd beat Travis in that first.
Speaker 1: One play one. I literally looked at the points and
if Hill did not catch that ball, I fucking had you.
And I'm so bad by one play. You know, the
police couldn't keep them detained for like just another hour.
Your boy would have got the win. But I find
it kind of funny that like the veterans of football,
me Maddy clay all lost the first week, all the
people that are like, yeah, you've been talk about football
since the beginning and stuff, but no good job there.
So you had those points this week. So it's been
it's been funny. Even if you're not in the fantasy,
if you watch football, join Discord. We have a channel
for so much. Now we have the regular we got
Star Wars, we got Marble stat we got video games,
got NFL. So it's it's been great. I had that
realization this weekending and we're talking about the nine years
like man, that's why I love our community. It's like
now we've had like which I'm sure all the other people
were happy, the football talks have the main channel, and
now we just got like the football talk like popping
off and air. Oh this is this is great because
I don't talk football with much people, and I feel
like when I talk with Emily's daddy thinks I'm an
idiot because he watches every single game, knowing to man,
so I try to talk with him. I watch as
much games and I as I can, but I feel
like I just can't like keep up with his stats
and everything like that, you know, but he is a
good he's a good barometer. Last year he wasn't right
about the forty nine ers winning, but he said they're
gonna go all the way. So he's a good barometer.
So I should ask him, actually what his opegans are on.
Speaker 2: He's probably winning his fantasy league.
Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, he's probably win his fantas in the league
and wishing in the sun low. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: I will say that the discord chat it's really fun
to have, just like watching the games and like just
getting live reactions with people and then of course the
trash talk that comes to the fantasy league. It's been
it's been fun. So yeah, it's gonna be a fun
How many weeks is it? Fifteen seventeen, oh seventeen weeks? Yeah,
and then.
Speaker 1: Playoffs there you go. But yeah, oh yeah, no, I've
just been in the Halloween season. I think I told
this last year. I made it a rule that I
start watching Halloween scare moves in September because if I
save it for October, it's always like then you run
out of time, right and this and this. I watch
them all year round, but I'll just rifle them off.
I watch Don't Breathe Today, great, five out of five.
I meant to watch that after Alien. I've just been
in a fetti mood, so I'm not sure if Evil
Dead twenty thirteen is gonna pop back up, but I've been,
like I said, in a fetti moods. I think it's
probably gonna happen. Watch fourteen oh eight. I talked about
Kirklaing with that. I give that a four out of five.
These are all rewatches. None of these are new watches,
except for one I'll talk about. I guess still have
a good time with that movie, you know, great haunted
hotel house situation, some good twists, and just some good
moments everything. I watched The Black Phone again for the
first time that came out to twenty twenty one. I watched
it for the first time since then. I remember being
like let down by it, and I still felt the
same way. I love Ethan Hawk in that movie. I
think he's so good. But I don't know they're making
that second one, and I'm very curious what they're gonna do.
Just the way it ends, It's one of those movies
like in multiple ways. So it's like, this doesn't feel
like it needs a sequel unless they do that thing
where it's like all the Black Phone too, but it's
like a prequel and it's like they're just you know,
doing that thing. But I watched a movie called The
Deliverance on Netflix. It's a new Exorcism movie. It was
all right. It had some really strong performances and some
cool moments at times, but it was kind of all
over the place, not in a good way of like
very serious and not comedic like haha, but just I
don't know, trying to not light hearted, because they do
with some serious moments. I don't know, I'll say, goofy,
That's what I'll say. Sometimes just came off as goofy
and didn't enjoy that. But it's like an Academy Award
winning director, and I've liked his other stuff, so I
checked it out, but yeah, nothing really there. Watch Adam
Sandler's you Know Stamp Special. That was good. I rewatched
Long Legs that went same score as last time, but
it went higher up in the the the rankings for
the end of the year, like my letterbox rankings before,
I had it in the lower top ten. Now I
got it in the higher top ten, so it was
a it was good. I don't think I can ever
get to like a five out of five. I still
have issues with it, but the rewatch and then knowing
some stuff in the third act definitely helped kind of
going along, and there is some fun stuff to notice
once you know what's happening. So uh yeah, no, that's
that's been a weekend. I guess I'll shout a couple
weeks ago I forgot shows out I saw in a
Violent Year, remember that movie where the it just is
the POV on the serial killer the whole time, like
the Jason like figure. Very fun. I recommend anybody that's
a slasher fan to see it. The ending's kind of
a little meh. I think they're gonna lose focus along
the way, but some really fun stuff and the fun
the way they do lower Taylor. You gotta see this
cause I think you're gonna love most of that on
my list. Yeah, I think you'll agree with me that
the third act gets a little like okay, they maybe
could end that's like twenty five minutes ago, but really
really good time. So yeah, that's about it. So what
we are also watching is Rings of Power. We reviewed
that every week. This week will be h you three gentlemen,
because I'll be my way to Seattle, so you guys
could talk about tom Bamba Dill and all that good
jazz and then side quest. You guys did a little
just catching up what you're playing with, right.
Speaker 3: Dylan muss mm hmm, Yeah, has been playing Rotch and
Clankroft Depart, which is fun to hear about. I've talked
more about Star Wars, Outlaws, and then a couple other
fun things. It was a nice, nice episode.
Speaker 1: I forgot I'm gonna say next that's what it is.
This week we will be if you've never listened to it.
We will be re releasing the Batman Review, which features
all four of us, because next week is Penguin, so
reviewing that every week and we'll follow the schedule, so
next week you'll get a double and I guess I
kind of forgot about Agatha will be next week that
might just be Kirkland and Dylan because Taylor's unavailable, and
mind just depends on when I am moving, So it
all depends on when I'm moving stuff, So we'll see
you might get a oh boy, what do we whalers
Whalers the whalers. Yeah, that's what it is. Check out
Patreon because we do have the originals up there. We
have Brent Butter and there is new Patreon tears. We
talked about that. I made a post about that. So
right now, eventually the Fat four Fantastic retro retrospectable on
the Phase two tier, but right now, you pray Chomp
producers you get that a month early. So we have
reviewed fantastic for the nineteen ninety four unreleased version, and
I think we said this last week. It's definitely one
of my favorite retrospectives. We had a lot of good
time on there, brought up multiple clips. It's something to behold.
So take a look. Lots of good stuff coming in
the next little bit here in October November. Jam packed
good stuff, so you know it's jam packed. Is something
this spidy news. So we've been talking about this for
a while. There's been I guess someone's ever dropped out.
I guess what I'm thinking about dropped is because the
director is doing Spider Man four, has been someone that
was dropped out of a bigger project as well. So
Destin Daniel Creann, he is now the director for Spider
Man four. There was a litany of names, but I
feel like we never ever talked about this is like
even us theorizing it or wasn't even rumored. So I
kind of love when that happens, when there's all these
names and then silently there's been someone behind the scenes
just working and stuff. But obviously he was going to
direct Avengers four. We don't know if that changed because
of just stuff with him Marvel or with the Kyg stuff,
because that was the original version was very Kang heavy,
and maybe he had a certain pitch you want to
do and they're not doing that obviously now, so he
is doing this. We don't have much details. There's just
rumors that it is a street level movie that features
multi verse stuff. I have a theory, but I want
to hear these guys thoughts. First, Tom Holn ends and
they are expected to be back, and the people that
wrote the entire trilogy of Homecoming, Far From Home, No
Way Home, they are back as well. So I will
throw it to the one of the Spidy boys first.
But mister pats or what do you think about this?
As a pick for sung She and I will mention
that they still say he is attached to direct Sun
She too, but as somewhat with Brent and Chris and
some other people in the Jewey Sung She has never
ever gone a date. They've said like, yeah, we're making it,
but they've never had on the slate. They've never made
a date. So just keep that in mind that I
don't know what that means, but yeah, what are your
thoughts and all this going on?
Speaker 2: I like it. I think it's I don't know if
it's a good parent, but in my mind, I think
it's a pause to pick. I really like Shang Chi
and I every watched it, and honestly it holds up.
I think I've I haven't really swayed too much on
my initial ranking of that film, which it's kind of
rare for that to happen. But I think it's just
really solid across the board. It's got good humor. For me,
it's got some really great action, some not so great
cgi but you know, I can give a four, yeah, exactly.
And I don't know. I don't really know what I
would expect from like his version of a Spidy Tale,
but I like what he's done in the past. It's
really just the shang Chi project that I have seen
by him, But yeah, I don't know. I like it.
It's it's someone that I feel like I can expect,
like at least a good enough rating and and like
that being said, that's not like a low six out
of ten or something like, like my good enough is
like eight point five and higher, and I I definitely
h think that that is going to be the case,
and I would be really heartbroken up that it's not
the I am.
Speaker 1: Curious, would you say what the number would be?
Speaker 2: Eight point five or higher? That's expectations?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is that too high? Is that too low?
Speaker 1: I guess it's too high for me. But you like
Sung more than me, so I get. I'm in the
brom I'm like a seven out of ten, like if
you can hit that, Like, but you might be right
that I kind of maybe has to be an eight
point five because like I feel like Spidy warns that, right, Like,
I feel like maybe a seven out of ten Spider
Spider Man movie is kind of a letdown, especially obviously
it's not the same, but the Spider Verse movies they're
killing it, and you know, live action whatever, so but
I just, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe it does gonna
have to be in that realm of.
Speaker 2: A strong B plus so and I know not everybody
loves like the Holland movies, like in comparison to some
other Spiddy films, but like to me, those are still
like eight point five and better like to the most
minimum of it. So uh, yeah, I don't know. I
like it and can't wait to see his.
Speaker 1: Version mis from us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just checking in on the writers of
this movie. Does that confirmed at this point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the same writers of the trilogy they're doing four.
Speaker 3: Okay, well Homecoming is different than the other ones.
Speaker 1: So Homecoming had like five writers, but two of those
writers did Far from Home and No Way Home. So yeah,
not everybody, but at least two people that have.
Speaker 3: Been involved, so right, yeah, because I feel like with
Spider Man, for me, the writers are almost like more
important than the director here. I don't know if I've
ever watched those movies and been like, man, John Watts
in this like beautiful direction, like.
Speaker 1: No one's saying that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like, Oh, what a weird director choice
in this movie. I feel like it comes down to
other things in terms of like where they wanted to
fit into the mcuh and connect to like the greater world,
and like what they're choosing to do with some of
these characters or not using some characters like a uncle
Ben other things. Right, So yeah, I honestly, I don't
think this really changes my excitement level one way or
the other. I think it's a I think it's a
decent pick. I think it makes sense. It's funny that
when when he kind of dropped out of Avengers for
I think me and many other people were like, oh yeah,
probably like he's going over shunk she too, like they
got someone else to do the Avengers combo. There's a
lot of shake ups there. It kind of makes sense,
but I never really expected him to go and do
a different movie that wasn't that And once again, as
you said, like maybe that is still in his future.
But obviously Spider Man seems like whenever they get the
rights lined up and they want to get rolling on that,
it seems like they drop everything else on the priority
list and they make that happen, even like Avengers stuff
like can go to the wayside, Like Spider Man seems
to be so important for them, and I'm sure Sony is,
like you know, pushing some of that stuff too, wanting
it to happen within certain timelines and all that stuff.
So it makes sense, and maybe they just had him
ready to go. They're like, we want you to direct something.
It's not gonna be Avengers. We're trying to find what
the fit is, and maybe this kind of just worked out.
Like I kind of we had that discussion about the
new Jurassic Park movie coming out next year. Yeah, I
think it's coming out next year where they were just
trying to find someone just to shoot it, you know,
like they're just looking for anyone. It didn't really matter much,
and I kind of get the vibe that's like what's
going on here. Hopefully we do see like what his
style is because obviously those first three with Tom Holland
were all directed by John Watts, right, so it's gonna
naturally be a little bit different. So yeah, I mean,
I'm curious to see what that is. I'm excited for it.
I haven't watched junk She again in a very long time,
so I should definitely do that. I think it's primed
for that. Do you guys think that this means potentially
that Shunk She would appear in this movie that they
want him in there for that purpose. I don't know
what that would be other than like Tom Holland's bumped
in a wall a couple of times. Wong you know,
picked Shunk she up in a portal the post credit.
So I don't know if there's any anything there.
Speaker 1: I think there's a I'm a sixty to forty on
it happening. I think they easily could make it. I
don't know, like justifies because we always talk about that
where with each Sony movie they want someone from the MCU,
right like Ironman, Nick Fiery and then doctor Strange. I
don't think Simu Lee is any of those levels. But
we've always heard rumors of multiple So I've said that
before where it's okay if it's Kingpin, if it's Daredevil
and sanct I think if you get enough of the
B tier characters, that equals one a character, so I
could see that. I can't remember where was song she
living in the first meet. Was it San Francisco? Yeah?
I think so, yeah, Okay, so it's on New York
so there. Yeah, but you know, maybe lives in Eddie
Brock lives there, Michael Keaton lives in one of those
New York you know, Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I think
they could have good chemistry and everything like that. So
I think there's a I think.
Speaker 3: The tone is pretty fitting in the level of humor.
And then as for the story side of it, I
think I'm kind of in the same as I've been
for a while where, Man, I really wish this movie
was like a smaller scale thing. I think it'd be
really fitting for the character and like a good route
to go, But they don't want to do that. They
want to go and make things bigger and better and
badder than they ever have been before, bringing in a
bunch of characters, probably bring back Toby and Andrew if
they're willing, and just go all out with it. Uh,
it's still street level, I guess, But like I don't know,
I guess you could say no way home street level too,
even though all that crazy stuff happens because it I
don't know, I guess you could. I'm not really sure
one way or the other.
Speaker 1: So it's not a world ending threat though, right, like
you are kind of right where it's the threat is.
We want to like Tom's fire Man is conflicted because
he wants to help the films and they want to
kill him, and then it's a result rights none of
them are after none of them are even there, like
blow up New York. They're all there for their personal reasons.
So that's multiver stuff. But it is technically not world
ending or anything even city ending, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess maybe maybe it's even just a
bit smaller scale and like, oh, we don't have seven
villains this time or whatever that we brought back for that.
So I'm sure it's gonna be a very fun movie
no matter what, even if it's not exactly what I
think would make the most sense for the actual character.
Well once again that they got to set up for
secret wars here, so secret invasion or not secret invasions.
Speaker 1: No, no, let's let's not do that again.
Speaker 4: The doomsday doomsday?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? And the rumor is this what which is interesting?
It's just rumored right now because you're talking about the dates.
Don't forget. I'm sure Sony is just froffing at the
mouth for a Spider Man movie because noy Home, sorry, Homecoming,
far from ho noy Home all only two years apart.
Now we're getting into I don't know, already three years
since the Spiderman movie. I don't think it's coming out
next year, so that's four. It's gonna be five years
since we've got Spider Man movie, which is kind of ridiculous.
But I the rumor is it would be July, so
it would be after doomsday. So I really don't know.
Speaker 3: Neither kind of epiloguy sort of thing, even if that's
a part one part too interesting.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy spier Man is not gonna be
in doomsday though. That's the thing, Like, I wonder if
they find a way.
Speaker 3: To Wow, Yeah, how did they get around that?
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. Maybe is there a way.
Speaker 3: They make started scenes that's how they make it work,
I guess, Or.
Speaker 1: Is there some multiverse thing of whether because even though
the street level doesn't make sense, but is there some
multiverse way of the movie dooms? The ends with him
getting kicked in either Peter two or Peter One's universe
or what my pitch was. But now I'm walking back
because the doomsday think I forgot about that. I thought
the multiverse elements might do. They may do. It's still
like tom holl And City yet and Miles shows up
because everyone you know, for people that don't read comics,
Miles and Peter they eventually were the experiment at the
same time, but only because their universe is melded together.
And it's like a similar situation as Spider Verse right
where his Peter Parker dies. So I was wondering if
that's what's the way where Okay, Miles is there, but
it's like, noay homework, it's all street level stuff, but
he's the multiverse aspect where it's a Miles. He gets
kicked to, you know, r Peter's universe and they kind
of and then when you get Secret Wars, that's melding
of universes. You can bring in Miles instead of like,
I don't know what the maybe Peter does just meet
some kid and he becomes Miles. But that's just like
an easy jump to right of like, oh, how do
we get a fully conceived Miles Morales, Well, here's the
Miles from another universe, PLoP them in. You're good to go,
you know, and everyone knows. Not everyone, but I think
enough people to know Smiles story now where it's kind
of like home coming. I don't think you got to
do a full origin for Miles. Now you know, people
know the whole thing with his uncle and uh his
dad being a cop and everything. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're onto something there. I feel like
in terms of these Spider Man movies, Miles May it
makes sense to do that in like five at this point,
just even kick it down the road a little bit
further to introduce a character like that. But yeah, if dooms,
like there's so many shakeups right now that they got
to make something work and they definitely want a Spider
Man in that movie, I would imagine if they can
make it happen.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: What about you, Taylor, I'm just happy to have the
end of the day more news on another Spider Man.
And the fact that it's not necessarily that's street level,
I'm okay with that. The street level stuff that we've
gotten in Echo. I mean, if that's just a yeah,
Like so far, the only the street level level that
I'm seeing with Marvel the MCU is what we got
in Echo, and that's not really my kind of street
level that I really want. Like running with Hawk Guy,
Yeah that's yeah, that's street level.
Speaker 1: That definitely start street level for like two episodes and
then there's a giant Alligator, but it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know street China all you know, that's definitely
not street level. That's subway level. I'd say though, with
this being multiverse involved, I'm totally all there. I'm for it.
I love everything multiverse. I think we can have a
lot of fun with that. I would be concerned that
maybe they would run the risk of maybe repeating what
could have happened before with the multiversal stuff. I'm hoping
that's not the case. Uh, it's just it would be
interesting to see how they weave it into the story.
But as far as it goes with the director who
Sung She being attached to this project, I think it's great.
I love Sung She. I own it, and I've not
rewatched it since the first time in theaters for some reason.
Interviews non steal book, okay, but it's definitely on my
watch list eventually to get around to enjoying it again
once you're done The Bear, of course, and once the
Bear Daredevil and know so much more. But yeah, he's
I didn't realize he's got the Naruto movie he's working
on too.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: That's uh, that's that could make her break a guy.
I mean, that's God, that's a.
Speaker 1: Big deal that's going to the wayside now though unfortunately
the Naruto thing is gonna get kicked down the Can.
Speaker 2: You think so sure people hope?
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I think that they're gonna people hope.
So you don't think he's gonna do Spider Man over Naruto?
Speaker 4: Well depends.
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like if you're a director and
you're looking at everything and like, unless Naruto is your
dream project, I feel like you go with Spider Man,
you know, and hope that Naruto.
Speaker 4: Is still I thought Naruto has already started and he's
been working on it.
Speaker 1: What does the same line nubiad does it say? What
does it say for production? I don't think he is
out tomorrow? Yeah, oh shit, I can't wait for that.
Reviews Taylor Soul review Aruto. I think it's just a
pre production or development. If it's one of those, then
it ain't happening.
Speaker 4: It's like when in production at lions Gate currently in production?
Speaker 1: Is he the director?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 4: Directs the film? Dustin Daniels Christen directs the film.
Speaker 1: There's no way they cast Aruto and people didn't like
talk about this. This doesn't make no sense here. I
don't get it. And you went time to be.
Speaker 4: That's that's first thing I popped up on Google. I
typed a Neudro live action current movie production. It's like
Lionsgate boom.
Speaker 1: Wait no, no, no, no, that's not what I ask you. What
did you type in search.
Speaker 4: The Ruto Live action movie current production?
Speaker 1: But did you go to IMDb? No? Okay, that's what
I asked you to do, because currently it is pre production.
There you go.
Speaker 4: Last updated.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I'm to be is literally like to
like cause you know, a couple of weeks ago we
talked about we won like a film ward, and they're like,
you guys should add us to your IMDb account. I
was like, well, we don't have that, so we gotta
get on that. It's like it's an industry like it's
for us to use, but it's also like an industry thing.
So his age and everything update that. So Naruto is
not happening with him. I guarantee, it's just not happening,
like it's gonna be one of those dead projects. Might
happen in a little bit, but yeah, that's why you go,
I'm to b it's not currently in production. I feel
like we would have got so much cast, and I
feel like with Kirkland Salts he would have a problem
with some casting or some news he heard about it.
Are you a Nuruto fan.
Speaker 2: Kirkland, No, I'm just like foreseeing people having issues. Tyler's
a big narudo guy, so he would be the on
that I would have to ask. But yeah, he was
really looking forward to the Cowboy Beatbop live action they did,
and then I didn't hear from him a little while
after it came out, and he's like, I couldn't get
through the second episode, So yeah, that was that was
a show. It was a show, and it got canceled
swiftly after release, kind of like Accolte did that, kind
of like a yeah, yeah, So with anime live actions
non production.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Nrudo fans, so I mean, if
it does get kicked for Spider Man, I think that's
definitely a good choice because you're just gonna be careful
with these adaptations. I don't know if One Piece did
very good, but I think that's.
Speaker 1: It did again season two, that one did get season two. Yeah,
I haven't watched it, but I've just heard from a
lot of people that aren't fans of that show that
end up liking it, so it might be an outlier.
But yeah, it worked out. So Aaron says, maybe Doomsday doesn't.
And like in Finnie War, cliffhanger suspiamne form makes sense
to like Street Level, it could. It's just it's interesting. Yeah,
if it's not a big clif, I think there has
to be some cliffhanger. I'm not saying it's gonna be
like Infindi War where it's like all the heroes are dead,
but I feel like with the Avengers Secret Wars being
the year after, they gotta leave some cliffhanger. But maybe
it is enough that Peter can just go do his stuff.
But yeah, I'm all for this. I think this is
more of the same what we've talked about where I think,
you know, we didn't talk because it's not a big
thing to have in the news, but like Ultron's coming
back for Vision, right, and then we got Downy back,
and we got the Russles back, and now, okay, we've
heard all these random and new names for Spiremen four
and it's not a bad thing. But who do we
get like another person that's directed a Marvel movie, Like
I feel like we're clearly seeing that, I think you're
gonna see a very safe Marvel until twenty twenty seven.
And there's an argument for against that, right because some
people be like, oh, they took risks and it didn't work,
or you could argue that the risks may weren't done correctly, right,
But I think that you're gonna get a lot of
that going forward, a lot of in house people. I
don't think they're gonna take. Now that's a like not
that they were taking massive risks again the aria ass
or direct Avengers, right, but still like I think they're
gonna keep it like with their people that they trust
and go from there, which is a good thing in
the sense of Marvels had some iffiness in the past
little bit, so maybe get back on track. But the
same point is like a little less exciting for me,
Like Okay, like I feel like I kind of know
what I'm gonna get with a sung Chi movie and
I like something or the Spider Man sung Chi movie,
Like I liked what I liked enough in that movie
until we get to like the third act Magic City,
Like I feel like that's when we go downhill real hard.
But there's like that one good fight scene where they're
like in the there's like a tower or something and
a Calafina falls off or something, right like, there's a
and even the bust scene, right Like, I feel like
there's lots of things where I go, Okay, if it's
him and his team, you know, the second unit direction
directors and the action coordinators. If he's working with similar
to those same people, his style could work very well
with a Spider Man action scene, right, which that could
be cool and that could be fun, especially in street level. Well,
this is just me hoping, and this might be a
bad thing to hope for, but in my opinion, like
much like Black Panther, Sung Chi was all about diversity, right,
And my really big hope is part of this pitch
of why he's there. I really want mister Negative to
be the villain, and I don't think that's gonna happen.
I'm just saying like that would be a great way
of Maybe that was the pitch and because they wanted
someone that could attribute or kind of find something within
that culture to go, hey, let's talk to Destin because
you know Sung Chi, we know how it works. And
mister Negative to me is like a perfect street level character,
but he still has like bigger things about him, but
he's also getting on a world ending thing. And I
can think even with his powers, you could find some
way to make them multiversal or something, right, Like, he
just has an or about him. So that's my like,
that's my fan pick right now, as I would love
like even if Kingpin's in there, but like mister because
like Kingpins, Scorpion, like those are good, but they aren't
like those aren't big foes that can beat Spider Man, right,
you need some more sauce and more juice going on.
So that's my Earth prediction. So for the most part,
I do wonder because Aaron brings up and I asked
you guys, like I don't think Sung She will be
happening till Secret Wars. I don't know if Sung She's
gonna happen at all really in my opinion too, Like
sure it was successful in COVID times, but I think
with them they look at a lot of those movies like, well,
we don't know if or but it would have worked
out right. And I think with Iger, it was a
couple of months ago he said that Marvel's gonna really
get back to focus on their big ips. They might
look at Sung Chi as like a risk. Even though
it made almost half a billion in COVID, they still
might go well. A couple months later, Spider Man made
one point whatever billion, right, and they might go well
like Eternals. And I don't agree with that because the
turnals you could see it was mixed Sung Chi. I
feel like I'm always in the minority that most MCU
fans got that in their top ten. They love it.
I understand some of those, you know, the pros that
they list. I don't necessarily have them all, but I could.
Like to me, it's like after Secret Wars, What that's
two thousand and twenty eight, Like that's a like seven
years in between a sequel. Like at that point, I'm
just wondering. I don't think Sung Chi, even for the
people that loved it, I don't think it was that
good where people are dying to see it again that
after seven years, seven to eight years a big man.
I've been waiting for Sung Chi too. I think it's
a reverse appeal forget about it. Maybe he's an Avengers
because I know, like doctor Strange along.
Speaker 3: I think more people would want to just see him
with other people at this point, see him team up
with your favorite Marvel characters at that point, and I
feel like they set it up enough. The post credit,
you know, works enough you can parlay that into whatever
you want. So I feel like with it what you're
saying there, we're just how long it's taken to get
that sequel out by the time, you know, looking at
the current slate like it just yeah, it seems like
it's gonna be many, many more years away. I think
at this rate, just throw him in the in the
Avengers and call it a day, and I don't think
anyone's gonna complain about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was always wondering this always. I just wondered
this just a second ago. But I think I meant
to say we always talked about this where it did
work out in one way because Doctor Strange first one
was twenty sixteen and the second one was twenty twenty two,
so that's like a six year gap. So I think
as long as they do the same thing with Sung Chi,
if they tell me, hey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that character was highly relevant for multiple movies
beyond that, or.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though. If they do that with
Sung Chi, if they say, hey, Travis, Like, you know,
let's say I was in the meeting Fly on the Wall,
they go, hey, we know we're not making a Sun
Chi sequel for seven years, but he's gonna be a
key main character in Secret Wars and Doomsday. Then I'd
say okay, because you can make more people fall in
love with them and they will want that. I just
don't know if that's gonna be the case, and I
don't know. We don't know what the Avengers lineup is right,
so if we get that announced, then maybe I'll feel
a bit better and go, okay, you can revitalize that.
But if he's not, if he's just a I don't know.
I'm trying to think of Infinity War who had like
who was in it but had like a smaller role
I don't know, like a vision per se where he's
important to the plot, but he doesn't have a screen time.
Not doctor Strange can Strange me big role in Infuneral.
If he's like a vision role where okay, he's around
important to the plot, but he's not like a top
five screen person, then I don't know. I don't really
know if Sung Chi too happens at that point, because
we'll be in the Mune saga. They'll be hopefully trying
to do Blade and Midnight Suns Like, I don't know.
I hope so, but I don't know. That's a long
it's a long way. And that's also saying that nothing
gets delayed again, right like Avengers is coming out twenty
twenty six, twenty twenty seven. There could be a universe
where that doesn't happen, right, and it's still late another year,
and then you're waiting, like a what a decade for Sung?
She too, Like that feels very like that feels odd
to me. Yeah, I don't know, And I feel like
you could just like not saying like rush it, but
I feel like this could have been one of the
easier ones to get a sequel out, too, Like, not
to be mean, but it's not like similarly is like
the Biggest Star, and I feel like you can make
it a smaller type of scale. He doesn't always have
to fight a dragon. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, even if we do get another Shing,
she moved, I think it would be a much different
sequel than what initially would have been the case, Like
if it was just him and Aquafino or his familiar
faces from his first film. Now I think it would
be a more collaborative type thing, just because I don't know,
the MCU has kind of changed quite a bit since
that first movie did happen, obviously the whole Avengers shake up,
but also just I don't know, Like I think around
the time of the first Shunshi release, like I would
have assumed we would have had a sequel by now already,
just because of how I don't know, how exciting that
movie was of like introducing a new character, and it
seemed like most people were really like receiving it well,
and just because it has been so separated or not
so separated, just it's been a long time since that
first one already now, and I definitely don't I don't know.
I think coming out with the next Avengers movie, I
don't think like shun Chi is going to be like
the most urgent one to release after the Adventures film,
so that that's where.
Speaker 1: Which Avengers do you think it's like tom Doomsday or
just secret War like it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: In general, Like I I just think our trajectory that
we're going towards is like or X Men. Yeah, Like
I obviously don't know what they have planned for the
character of shung Chi. But I don't know it just
it's not as obvious that that that he's going to
be like a big focal point moving forward. Is he
right now?
Speaker 3: Could you fit in like the champions lineup, the young
Avengers thing.
Speaker 1: I think he's too old. I think he's like the
college high school kids. Yeah, he could be like a
if we talk about always that like trainer person.
Speaker 3: Hayley Steinfeld's like thirty or something, right.
Speaker 1: That's I think you're right there.
Speaker 2: It is twenty nine.
Speaker 3: It's my guess, Okaya Field, but I don't know. I
guess Kate Bishop like I meant to be young ish.
Speaker 1: So he's thirty five years old.
Speaker 3: And then what's he looks, you know, twenty nine and
a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's probably twenty eight. Actually she's birthday? Are you
that's my guess. That's my final guests.
Speaker 1: Can you just pull up the age? It's very easy.
Speaker 2: I thought you were looking it up.
Speaker 1: No, I said, when you do, Haley, did you actually
say that? Yeah? I did, at least in my mind.
Speaker 3: Go tob IMDb seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, I said, okay, so there's almost ten years apart
difference with them.
Speaker 3: Okay eight.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, so almost ten years.
Speaker 3: Almost ten years okay, but ten. It's also when you
say almost ten and when you say.
Speaker 1: Eight something that almost like what you're talking about their
Kirkland Buster Barnes says, I feel like Marvel's Wade. So
long you Sung She and Sam Wilson their last appearances.
There have been so much in between, I just lost interest.
And I agree with that. I think, as I said,
I'm very curious how Brave New World does because I
think they fumbled a little bit with Sam, and I
think they're kind of fumbling with Sung She because I
think Sung She would have people excited for a sequel.
But if you wait too long. But again, like we said,
all you need is some great appearances in the crossover
movies and you can make it that no one, I
want to say no one, but I'd say with it
being the lowest grossing movie for about nine years, Hulk
was whatever. And then when he was an Avengers, everyone
fell in love with Hulk again, right the like oh
my God, like Ruffalo and the whole Hulk smash. Like
all you gotta do is give him a good story
and give some She a badass scene and people will
be like, oh, I want to see more of that.
Same with All you need to do is Sam now
is make sure this movie is good. I hope it
is that they reshot it eighteen times that it can
be something good. So but again, asked me, in a
couple of months, I still think that it was No.
I guess again, some of the strikes happen so not
on tirely their fault. But still it's a took a
moment there, you know, mm hm. Aaron says, if Daniel
is the director's scrim him for do you think he does?
He is the director of the new trilogy. I would
say if what they say in the report is if
he is still attached to Sung she too, I'd have
to say no, right in my opinion. And if that's
the thing that happens.
Speaker 3: Well, he's gonna be busy with uh Naruto.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I think crime production.
Speaker 3: He'll be busy for a bit. So they're gonna get
Ryan Johnson to do the second one, then he'll come
back to the third one.
Speaker 1: Crinson w Man. I would love to see the day
Ryan Johnson was hired for a Marvel movie and just
to see what the heck would happen to Marvel twitter.
Speaker 2: The second movie too?
Speaker 3: He used to come in the fifth Really, I.
Speaker 1: Guess, well that's what he did last time though kind
of right the well, no, I guess the prequels. But
in my mind, you know, so he don't exist. Let's see.
Uh yeah, I wouldn't. I'd be down for like a
Spider Man trilledy with all different directors. That'd be kind
of fun, you know. So I'm getting there, like because
like you're saying, don't probably one just foggy in the
brain trust and then the writers are maybe more important here,
so just come someone, get their style, like, get him
in there, and then I don't know, next two that's
another conversation. But just some some flashy directors that have
some good style, you know.
Speaker 3: Bring back because I think the writers of Dungeons and Dragons, Yes,
the directors of Dungeons and Dragons were the writers of
the First Spider Man. Like bringing them back, bringing them
back for one of them, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: And they were in conversations for this, right, so I'd
be down bring them back, give them a hit, and
I don't know, that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Taylor Kirkland, I would like I would like that a lot,
and I love that D and D movie. Give me
some spiddy action there, D twenties.
Speaker 1: I will go ahead, Taylor.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like, I'm with you, Kirk
D D and D movie. I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I get concerned about the cohesiveness of having different directors.
I'll tackle one cohesive trilogy.
Speaker 1: Bryan Johnson.
Speaker 4: Yes, speak Brian Johnson. Again, I'm trying. I was trying
to think of my head. Okay, what other trilogies do
we have that at different directors. I guess there's World
Star Wars, Drastic.
Speaker 1: World because the original Star Wars.
Speaker 4: Tavar didn't do well. Yeah, the Original Star Wars. But
Tavarrow didn't do all of the those films. He directed
the last two I think, didn't he.
Speaker 1: No, he directed one and then three, did a JJ.
Speaker 4: One three, and he wrote to didn't Row two? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: World Review.
Speaker 4: It's it's tricky. I feel like if you put all
the directors in one room, all three of them, and
just yeah, let them all three directors. There's three Spider
Man movies. We're doing a new trilogy here that I
want to they're.
Speaker 1: Not doing that.
Speaker 4: I thought we were talking about a trilogy.
Speaker 1: No, but I mean like they don't know who the
fuck's directing Spider Man five right now, Like they're not
thinking that far ahead.
Speaker 4: Well they should. I mean, that's that's where I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to tweet out something.
Speaker 4: You know, That's where I can get you can get risky.
I think, Okay, if you you do a large roadmap
for Okay, we're gonna do three Spider Man movies, what
is just kind of the over and overreaching, not overreaching,
the overarching kind of general plot that we're going to
have in the background as uh, Spider Man's journey progresses.
And I think you have the three directors at least
communicate and talk. Otherwise you're gonna have director do the
first one. First one is gonna be a big hit.
Then the director next directors can come along to the
second one do something they really don't like, and they're
going to fire the third director and bring back the
director for the first movie, and he's gonna come in
and do the third movie and it's just gonna be Uh.
Speaker 1: That's how it works there. I think it's like as
long as Figging Company they did.
Speaker 4: It once with Star Wars. They'll do it again with
the other.
Speaker 1: Said, which is just yeah, start as a mess. Marvels
never canceled the show, you know, they might not renew them.
Then they were coming to like we were canceling the show. No,
I I think the plans always fig I think you could.
That idea is great, but you also got to remember
it's not it's not just them over there, it's also Sony.
They got their toes in the water.
Speaker 4: There got their toes. Well, then you know what, It's
kind of like you put the three directors in one
of those rooms where the police. You put them in
a room like you know when you're at a police station,
and use the one way two way glass. Sorry I've
never had two way mirror, And so you have the
directors in the one side all talking, and you have
the Sony people on the other side where they can't
actually like talk, but they're viewing and hearing what the
directors are saying, so at least they feel like.
Speaker 3: They're a part of voyeurism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Sony, they're voyeurs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's happening, but I would,
you know, sure, it'd be great we'll see, we'll see
what happens. Yeah, like the theory, but yeah, we'll see
Tom Hollens comebacks and Day has come back. So we
know that spell's getting broken. That's the rumor that they're
gonna dive in and break the spell. So good for that.
And then finally the story buster, Barnes says, I think
he'll have a decent part because aren't the rings quite important?
Same as the Marvel bangles? And like Aaron pointed out,
I don't think they are anymore. I think that was
the plot of King, that those begles and the rings
were gonna be something. They're tied together, but I really
don't think that has anything to do with anything. Now
they might maybe tie together in like a sequel to
the movie, but I don't think I think the whole
dude even like, you know, he made a joke. They
asked on child about Armour Wars and he said, what's
Armour Wars? And my thoughts exactly, but he literally said
that he doesn't know what's going on over there. They're
reshaping everything, and I literally think that's most of the
projects that weren't done. They tore them all down and
started over and I don't think the rings and bangles
have much to do, which is uh. I'd love to
see what the initial plans were with King and everything.
But maybe one day, maybe if we get to you know.
Speaker 4: You could do one random knockoff story or just wrap
it up easily where Mark Ruffalo's Hulk concluded and figured
out what the rings were. Nothing, Yeah, it's nothing. Yeah,
And I could I could absolutely see them like, oh,
what happened to those rings? Bruce like, oh, there's nothing,
you know.
Speaker 1: Just wrap the face to the character. What was so
important rings? Oh? Nothing, nothing at all. These rings are
just magic and that's it. You know, there's nothing. You're
not important to us, You're nothing, You're nothing. It's like
the Kyla Ren speech to Ray and last Jedi back
to Ryan Johnson. Also in some of these reports, what
we'll take off for sad bring action. We'll get into this,
so we'll bear it back and we're back. And some
of these reportings that there's a scooper that put out
that Spider has mostly been scrapped, like the stuff they
were working on. They're working on new stuff now and
we're not going to see at least till twenty twenty seven,
but then the composer came out and so don't believe
everything you read. And then one of the I can't
remember as Phil Lord Chris Miller, when the producers came
out and said, nope, that's not the situation that you know,
everything's looking great, which is interesting because I think it's
very much like a he'sa she said situation because none
of them even talked about the date, saying, oh, for sure,
it's not gonna hit that date, which twenty twenty seven.
Again talking about dates, that feels like a long time.
But it's funny because, like I do think they're trying
to save face because the last time we talked about
them was there was that rumor going around remember that
Sony and then weren't renewing their contract together, that they
weren't going to be continued working with one another after
they'd finished this stuff. So I feel like it's just
maybe them playing cool. But I was gonna say, do it.
Does anyone think we're seeing Spider Verse three before two?
Like we have no date. The day's just indefinite, you know,
And I just feel like if we have no date,
that's like, again, it's like a B tier Scooper. But
I tend to lean that it is because I just
feel like, to go from twenty twenty five or two
twenty was supposed to be all this year, Right, was
supposed to be at March.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it was to be supposed to be
back back years, right, they were working on them together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then for all of a sudden, I have
no date. It's like to me, I do have some
like I give some credence to. There's probably a lot
of shakeups over there, and we already got those reports
last year, remember of those bad working conditions and everything.
So I'm just like, hopefully it's happening, and hopefully the
staff is being you know, treated fairly. But kind of
a bummer. We might not see this for quite a while,
you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess because it was five years between
the first one and the second. Right, it was twenty
eighteen for that first.
Speaker 2: Bad Boy, My gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was yep.
Speaker 3: So I mean twenty seven sounds of a long time.
That's less time than that's true between the first and
the second. Now, it is weird if they were working
on them in tandem, But it seems like from what
I understand, eventually they just realize that, ah, it's not
really viable. We're just gonna make this one, and like
maybe that a few scenes like left over that they
can work on. But I'm sure with the way the
animation process works, they just have to redo a lot
of it anyway or touch it up anyway. So I
don't know. I think twenty twenty seven like it sounds
far away, but it's I don't know, it's less than
the first one.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: If I'm to believe these directors in this this composer,
then I would probably throw twenty twenty six on the
on the dart board. That's where I would be aiming.
So I guess I go with that a person. I'm
not really too bothered about this center like the second
one a whole lot, so my hypes unfortunately kind of died,
but hopefully they can revitalize it with this third one.
Speaker 1: Just one it ends. You know, Miles Morales left in
a particular situation. See how he gets out of it.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, we've been there before.
Speaker 1: You know, No, he's not that that worried about it,
crrectly worried about it.
Speaker 2: I'm not really worried more so just sad it's gonna
be a long time untill I see this. But uh,
as Dylan mentioned, like when you put it in perspective
how long it took from the first to the second one,
it's like, okay, you know, I can hold my breath
a little bit longer. I I really love that second one,
not quite to the full level of what the first
one was, but it was kind of just surprising news
because it's just like if they really had that many
issues with with the because what was the main what
was the main spiel about it, It's just they'd creative
differences or something or they couldn't figure.
Speaker 1: Which like the Sony.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for the delay of all this, I think they.
Speaker 1: Just they are reasoning. Was some I can't remember, we
did some bs about like we need to just need
more time. But then, like I said, a couple of
weeks ago, came out that Lord Miller aren't renewing their
contract because they've One of the reasons was listened that
they're having issues over the Spider Man Noir budget, which
I do not fully believe. I don't I don't think
they're fighting over the Spider Man Noir budget. That feels
a little silly to me, like who cares, it's just
this Amazon show, Like it's great in the cages. I
feel like there's probably more. So I feel like there's
definitely something hasking for more money. Just useaw long legs, right,
biggest independent movie in the past fifteen years, I get
more money. But like I think there I think there's
some scuttle but happening at Sony right now all over
you know perty usual. Yeah, And I will say that
that the report was that the minimum of twenty twenty seven,
So it's not that that's the for sure year. It's
just that like it won't be seen at least till then.
So if we I hope it's like at least out
before the twenty thirties, that if we get to the
twenty thirty mark, then we're they were pushing it a
bit much in that seven year again. It's like the
song She's Sequel again. It's like that again.
Speaker 2: So that'll be getting close to Elders goes six to
twenty thirties.
Speaker 1: Will it?
Speaker 2: I mean, like twenty forties, it'll be getting closer.
Speaker 1: Dare any thoughts on Spierus before we move on?
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the fact that they're they're clean
up house a little bit while hopefully and trying to
like fix the problem areas in the mistreatedness of the staff.
I think that's good. And if that means the movie's
gotta be delayed over them trying to rectify certain inequities,
then by god, let's do it. But damn when you
think about twenty twenty seven, and we're in twenty twenty
four right now, although we are going into twenty twenty
five very soon, true, So that's all a blur. Last
five years, just like Bano snapped like crazy, so I I, uh,
you know, five years is just but here we are.
Speaker 1: And you know, did he just have a matrix station
of boh moment where he just repeat himself. He just
exactly did the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: You know, last five.
Speaker 4: I think though, yes, it is far and to say
like that's the minimum that we would actually see that movie,
it's it's unfortunate because then I just I love those
movies and I really would love to see it sooner
rather than later. But there's a lot of time and
a lot of energy that goes into animating something like that,
and it's such a unique and visual masterpiece, so take
the time they need. I would hate to see it
kind of get fudged up, especially because, like you said,
don't you like that first one more than the second one?
And I don't think you're the only one. There's a
lot of people that probably do feel similar to you
in that regard. So I would love it if they
could just ace that third one to cap out that trilogy,
and it just kind of had the whole community just like, yeah,
this movie is fantastic, This is great, just like that
first one has. So that's that's kind of where I stand.
Speaker 1: As suppose as at least Sony can say they're not
doing the worst that now there's Lions, yeah, because what
was his Borlands? They got Megalaplas coming up, which has
like tracking it four to five million opening weekend after
like a like a whatever that huge budget was. And
there was another movie they put out, Is it a
supposed can you confirm? I think it might be The Crow.
I think they might have been The Crow, And like
they're probably really mad they pushed Saw to next year.
Casaw usually makes some like a good amount of money,
and they're they're doing really bad right now. What you're
looking at what you.
Speaker 4: Mean you said lions Gate? Right, yeah, well you know
they are the ones they're doing the film.
Speaker 1: I bet they wish the Narudle film's coming out right
about now, you know our director who's been stolen from me.
I would I would hope that an Udal film would
do better than Borderlands and the Crow I.
Speaker 3: Make a lot of it does better than Borderlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just like there has to be some cachet
with that fan base, right.
Speaker 4: What it better between the two? Did Crow lose to
Borlands or Borlandes beat out the Crow in box?
Speaker 1: It's really close? Yeah, let us know, and I don't
know if we have time. Oh we don't. I put
draft updates. I did not do any draft updates. So
next newscast in a couple of weeks we got the
Joker two predictions. So even if it's just that in
draft updates, we will do that. So was my bad.
But I don't know, did any of us someone had Borlands?
It was I think we got a good lad begging
a solid seven bucks. You know, that's always good for
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I I forget to say, we talked to elsewhere abou
Kirklands scared me because he's talking about the Queen's Gambit,
and I like, man, it's a ten or tenth. We
gotta start getting extra. Life is just around the corner.
I've not even thought about that because there's so much
stuff life in general. But you know, I just stop
out right right. You and Dale gonna play some chess.
So that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: That's one thing on the calendar.
Speaker 1: And Monopoly and Monopoly, Me and Hansy and who an
he else wants to join at some point we're gonna
do the monopoly, because how.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna what are you gonna? Is there a
switch game for that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna do that. I'm gonna defend my
I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It's like a here's the mopoly can take hours, uh
not even just hours, sometimes days.
Speaker 1: There is monopoly, go is there a hard.
Speaker 3: No, that's a different thing. Is there is there a
fine limit in this stream if it goes? If it goes,
Because if you're saying that you're the best, Hantsy things,
she's the best, and you're two are going at it
like a couple of fucking landlords, and it just goes
on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and I don't. I don't want to have.
Speaker 3: Any the most money at the end of you know,
two hours.
Speaker 1: No, I'll talk to Hantsey. I would rather punt and
make it its own event and have it like have
other patrons, because you can have multiple monopoly people like
there's multiple players, right, So I'll welcome anybody. I have
to do the math. I got like a fifteen year
streak going on. I almost lost it to Gwen a
few months ago when we're playing Blue Monopoly, just buying luck.
But then she made a few bad purchases and you
know who.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, buy this property.
Speaker 3: By that one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't remember because I know it was before. I
think my record is like past sixteen years. It was
I was camping and I wasn't graduated. I have to
ask my mom, but that's when it started, and I
legitimately have just been on a roll. Even when we
did our gee first one. We did an Afro nine one.
I won there like I I got the And I
never want to be the banker because everyone tries to
do that. Oh yeah, you'd be the banker. No, I
don't want anything, so okay, so take that off. Extra
life Dylan chrome Borlands. Before we move on, did you
get those tallies?
Speaker 3: The Crow has made eighteen million dollars Jesus, and Borderland's
almost doubling it with thirty one million.
Speaker 1: Okay, how that makes sense? Yeah, thirty one.
Speaker 3: It sounds big when you say doubling it, but then
when you rise as a small number, it's not very
not very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kirkland, I don't think you got the draft going on.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, we know. Let's move along, Kriklin.
Speaker 3: At least it's not box office relative to budget, because
if that's the case, you'd be losing points, I guess.
But in this case you're just not gaining as many
as you could have.
Speaker 2: Feel so much better from knowing that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if Krooklam feels better about this topic,
Lord of the Rings. So, man, what a journey we've
been on here for a little bit, right where Okay,
they do the Gray Trilogy all time, and then a
few decades go buy or just a decade and we
do the Hobbit right which Krookland has not seen, but
hopefully one day they Either way they go out make
a bunch of money. You have to yacht Rings the Power,
but then Embracer Group buys the film rights for Lord
of the Rings and then lo and behold, somehow they
end up back at Warner Brothers. It's like, all right,
So then they announce that they're doing this Hunt for
Gollum movie with Andy Serkis and Peter Jackson's directing, and
obviously Circus is starring in this, and no plot details
other than okay, yes, there's a chapter about Hunt for
goalm so we kind of get some semblance to what's
going on. So the past few weeks, there's been a
few things talked about, Uh this, I think we might
have covered this, but I'll just throw it in for
the whole overall that Vigo had talked about He never
specifically said that he was asked, but he sure was
talking about it, like, of course, ago, there have to
be a reason for me to come back, and I
have to be invested. But he said he would do
it right. And I imagine he's saying that because they've
probably had some conversations, so he got that. But then
you have in a more concrete way, especially e mac killt,
who she's given away shit just doesn't care. But he
got Legolis himself saying Okay, Orlando Bloom he was at
a film I can't remember his Venice or Tiff last week,
but he was there. They asked him about it, and
he said that he has had conversations with Andy Serkis
and he said, well, how can we do that? And
Andy Serkis said, well, which you know, made a bunch
of people grow. But so clearly they've talked to him
about coming back and they're gonna do like a deaging
thing if it all works out. And now before I
think we did cover this like a couple months ago,
where Ian said like he thought he would be coming back,
he pretty much just said, like they're writing the script.
They talked to me, and he made some joke about
like they got to make sure there's enough money for
me to put the hat back on. But he's he's
in this, like Dandal's just one hundred percent in this.
And now today he's spilt the beans that they're planning
on splitting this movie into two parts. So again I
went to you first last, I'm gonna go to first again.
Cook compats or what do you feel about this? Where
just a merely oh, we're just do a hunt for Gollum.
You know, Circus and Pat Jackson are back, and now
it's we got three of the original members back. Might
be splitting this into two movies. How are you feeling
right now?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't feel super strong for or
against this news, other than just I like the idea
of having more projects of.
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings realm, go the Hobbit. You
got three movies simply right there, hypocrite, go watch them
because I don't believe you. You gotta you gotta feel
the pain like us before, Like, yeah, I want more,
I want more.
Speaker 2: Of this, you know, Yeah, I mean, I don't know
what I'm missing and what I'm what I might uh,
I don't know not missing. So I don't know, I
I I I'm hoping that they're making the decision on
a better way to tell a story on like as
opposed to trying to cut out a lot of fuff
and and shit to just have it all in one project,
to have multiple projects. I would like that. I'd like
it to just be more palatable to ingest.
Speaker 3: I feel like every word that sounded like you didn't
believe it. I think no thing you were saying.
Speaker 1: And I feel like all three of us who did
do the Hobbit retrospectives are just look good. Even Tay
I like some more. But I feel like we're just
shaking our head because, like, I don't know about these
two gentlemen, but this, this is, this is exactly what
happened in the Hobbit of Well, we're doing one for
a while, now we're doing two, and now we're doing three.
I'm not saying we're gonna get to three, but I
don't even think the Hunt for Gollum. I mean, that's
a two film, and you know these things are gonna
be fucking long. You're telling me that's five and a
half to six hours worth of content. No, and I
hate this idea. Is this Hobbit all over again, getting
Orlando Bloom back, getting Vegel back and again.
Speaker 4: It's just you're a big battle in the heart of it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your god the Battle of five Armies
times ten. So I don't know do that math, but
either way, like the Battle of fifty goalm Armies, Bobbits,
you're gonna get fucking Elijah.
Speaker 3: Doers or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get like Elijah Wood back. And they're just
doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: Now, Elijah Wood's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I think he will. He already said like he's very
interested in what they're gonna do. I think they they're
in a big fat check. He's there, and that's what
sucks with the gonna do In his story, bill Bo
tell me about this garlum character, And right he was,
because that's what they didn't hal it. Remember, bill Bo
tell me about those trolls. Oh yes, young lad like
and you Holmes dead, But that doesn't matter. Look at
fucking Alien Romis. They'll bring his ass back too, like
I just were. I can't remember someone fact checking this
for me. I know the first Halt made a billion,
but I think the other one's made all over seven
hundred million after that. These films make a lot of money,
and I think Warner Brothers, who's still tons of dead,
just look at what's the only way to make a
bunch of money. Because I guarantee you they've seen the
tracking for We're Here, and I guarantee that thing's gonna
eat shit. So like to me, when they got this
huge hype, they want to do the Star Wars thinger
bring everybody back.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, you can't do that you know
why there's no more stories and it is it's fucking
butter stretched over too much bread.
Speaker 1: There's not enough to do here with these characters. You're
doing your Rings of Power. Not the same company, but
that's what that's the things you can do with how
you feel that show right to bring the whole band
back together. Maybe it's gonna palp money and that's all
they care about. That's great, But for me, it's just
like that idea of how he oh Ai and it's like, man,
now I gonna see We're gonna watch a whole fucking
Hunt for gall movie and we're gonna see Legless looking
creepy the whole time, and it's gonna make Rominus where
it's like, oh, in half the shots he looks good. Here,
half he doesn't. Like Kirk, I'm telling you. Watch the
Hobbits and then come back and tell and it's the
same crew everyone when they are like, oh, Peter.
Speaker 3: Watson nine hours of the Hobbit movie, ye yeah, come back.
Speaker 1: And they're like and to reassure us, like, oh, well,
Peter Jackson and his wife are writing and producing. It's
like they did that the last time with the Hobbit
and Circus is worse because at least Jackson gives a
Lord of the Rings Circus. The last thing he did
was Venom the last dance, Like this is like a parody.
This is like it feels like someone's making a parody
of what happened to the Hobbit, like in a movie.
But they're not. They're just doing it again. And my
excitement went from I was still intrigued to worry to
now I'm just fucking man, I'm preparing myself for the
absolute worst. And maybe that's a good thing to go
in because my expectations are so low. But this just
feels all it feels like a money ground. I think
I agree with clayrom Discord. It just feels gross now.
And there's still a lot that's fine, but I just
feel like they're just okay. Every product is made for money.
I do understand that, of course there's a business top
of all the time, but there's still like a level
of care and sometimes it just feels this feels so
in your face of we're just trying to make a
billion bucks real quick? How do we do that? We'll
get the original actors because we I think we talked
about like oh, look at all the exciting things they
could do with Lord of the Rings, and to me,
it's just like, let's just do the Hobbit again. Pretty
much is the least exciting. So that's my ted talk.
But I'm just like, I'm so upset about like the
way this has gone down, and yeah, it's disappointing for me.
But maybe again, maybe that's something great happens.
Speaker 3: So maybe it's unlike, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 1: They all made over nine hundred million, fifty million. That's
why you do it, right, That's why you do it.
Speaker 3: So people were super hyped for that, and it's now
been long enough that people are gonna go do it again.
So yeah, I mean, this is definitely cash grabs city,
and you know what, it's probably gonna work, wonders. It's
probably gonna be a billion dollar movie. And you know,
is there enough story there for two movies? Probably not,
but they're still gonna do it, and they're probably gonna
make over nine hundred and fifty million on each movie.
And you know what, all four of us we're gonna
be there for both of them. Even if we didn't
do this podcast, we would still all be there for
it because they know what they're doing, so it's gonna work.
It's I just have so little faith that's gonna be good.
I don't really trust Peter Jackson with this. I think
throwing Ai deaging on all these characters is gonna look
awful and make the movie look really bad. And you know,
Peter Jackson's is just gonna go absolutely ham on the
CGI two in general. So I yeah, I'm not I'm
not excited for this. I think it's just definitely cheap.
Cash grab will not cheap. Sounds like gonna be really
expensive to pay for all these people, So it probably
gonna be a very expensive movie, but not in the
ways that you want a movie to be expensive. Uh,
And it's gonna make a shit ton of money, so
they'll do another one and then fuck it. They'll probably
split it into a trilogy because why not. Yeah, because
people love the word trilogy. So yeah, I'm not not
excited for this, but honestly makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love what can talk about, Like Peter Jacksons,
Ceega and everything I have said before, I feel like
this feels like it. What if George Lucas got to
direct or be a part of episode seven to nine,
you know, and I feel and not like it's just
weird to hear when you say, oh, I don't have
much faith in Peter Jackson. I'm with you there, unfortunately,
but it's just like a weird thing to like say
out of my mouth, you know, of like, and then
I said, I think we've had this conversation before that
maybe the Lord of the Wings trilogy was literally just
lightning striking. Like obviously it's it's not three times because
they all film it once, but it's just like the
most perfect things all lined up somehow where maybe you
just can't recapture that. People might even argue that the
Star Wars trilogy, right, like, even if you don't love it, Dylan,
it's like it had such an impact and prequels lots
of people hate those. In the sequel lots of people
hate those. So it's just that thing where's just like
you can't get that back in the bottle again, you know,
as much as like financial and I guess again they
don't care as long as it pays off money wise.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just one of those things where
it's like, Okay, he's for the original trilogy. He could
adapt these books and of course that was the same
thing that was happening with the Hobbit, but they also
stretched it and added a bunch of random shit in there.
And it was like the probably the perfect time in
terms of the limitations of technology and having access to CGI,
but it was also still a time in Hollywood when
they you know, went for practical stuff to some extent,
and so I just feel like that was a lot
of things. And I guess I just don't see him
coming back because he's really passionate to tell some story
and once again, like even the stories that he was telling,
and I know it's different writers and stuff, but and
it's the same writers as the original ones, but it's
very different when you're adapting a book trilogy into a
trilogy of movies. Then when you're adapting, you're not adapting anything.
You're just making a new story all these years later
and trying to hamstring all these characters into it because
of like the actors and how iconic they are. So
it's just not a great grounds for a really well
written story. It's just straight so far from the source
material at that point that you know, it's still a
world that we love, of course, but and it's gonna
look and sound and feel like that world. But well
it's probably not gonna feel like it. It's gonna look
and sound like it at the very least, I guess,
is all we can say.
Speaker 1: Well, remember though, it is based off like a chapter,
so you got a chapter.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool? So chapters now being split into two.
Speaker 1: Movies all movies five hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that worked great for the Hobbit.
Speaker 1: Taylor's someone that I you know, we did those retros.
You were a bit more fond and kind on the Hobbits.
You are are you like Kirkling? You're giving a bit
more fond, like he's a done ail here. We need
to sit in clockwork orange style, tape them to a chair, eyelids,
and make them watch the Hobbit. Then you'll be like, yeah, right,
but how are you Taylor taking this snooze? Are you
just happy the whole cruise back together? Or I feel
like you've been through this with Star Wars, right, We've
seen what happens, We saw it went down. Mm hmm uh.
Speaker 4: Well they all got tattoos, so that's a good thing.
Not not Gamblay. No, but he's not in this. He
hasn't been asked apparent's not yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't gonna put the mask on this time?
Well just a I'm a mass don't worry, we know
you hear it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, I think that one movie. I I I
stand partially with my thoughts all those years ago, because
you found that cast Travis a long time ago, and
I think, Okay, this story necessarily does not intrigue me.
And of all the stories revolving around Middle Earth that
they're focusing on, but the ability to see these characters,
I've actually to see these characters returning cast crew members.
I am liking that.
Speaker 1: Uh it's you know, they just released a couple months ago,
right top on the cast. They re released all the
movies in the theaters you could have. You could see
them all again.
Speaker 4: Absolutely right, And those stories never get old, they never
ever ever do. But I am partially interested in seeing
these characters just doing other different things in this world.
I do get scared because the idea of this story
is being stretched out over two films and maybe inevitably
a trilogy is pushing the margin a little bit too much.
I don't like that makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't,
I just don't. I don't want it to be such
a filler filler stuff. And I feel like when you
look at the Hobbit movies, they parallel the events in
the original trilogy. Was just how certain things at least
with how certain battles and complex and where the characters end,
and those films, it feels very similar to that original trilogy,
and I don't want that to be here, Like I
don't want them like again, I's gonna recruit Eric Gorn
and that Glass and form a little bit of a
fellowship of his own. Remember that's exactly what they did
Strider character. Feel like they're going to do that in
in this and that does worry me. But as long
as it's original, it has its own kind of just
vibe to it. I would love it if it's just
heavily focused on Gollum and then we get those other
characters appearing, not as mains but just just appearing throughout
the throughout the journey and just so we're focused focused
on Galum and we just have them appearing up as
he's like tredging along doing his thing. I think that's great,
and then throw in like characters of more more dork
going trying to hunt him too, because we've only been
hearing all the light families or families I want to.
I absolutely want orcs that are not CGI. That was
the one biggest con I have with the Hobbit. I
don't want heavy CGI volume stuff like just give me
oh Naturelle and just the orcs and Rings of Power
look fucking great, like the orcs in that last episode.
Speaker 1: My god, they look Amazon money.
Speaker 4: That is, maybe they need to borrow some of that.
Speaker 1: But hopefully. Yeah, I'm curious about that because it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna borrow millions.
Speaker 1: Hey, they're already in debt, right, might I will add
a bit more millions to it? So I am curious
because I guess I do always make these comparisons to
Star Wars and Star Wars are that right? We're prequels.
Everyone's like, oh, this looks bad, too much CGI, And
they right away went, okay, we're gonna go practical.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, we're using sets again, we're using animatronics and makeup.
I wonder if they're gonna do that or if w
B just gonna, yeah, we don't have the money for that,
like you're using the volume. I hope so, But that's
what I'll be curious to see and also just like
I feel like hopefully that would be like, Okay, you
guys took those criticisms to heart of like Peter Jackson
one of them saw, I'm like, hey, we don't want
to do that again, versus if they just like, I
don't know, stick their nose and no, you're getting the
CGI orcs again. It's like, because those orcs fucking sucked
in the Hobbit. Man, They're just so generic. They just
look video game orcs look better than them.
Speaker 4: So yeah, my last note here is you said that
they could just ceg I Old Bilbo back in there.
I have an inkling that they could bring Martin Freeman back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could do that, or they could do like
a weird combo. Right where did they I guess it's Tarkan,
who Disney's now getting sued for Tarkan. Now funny enough
because really, ok yeah, I guess there's something that they
found that maybe he didn't give permission for it.
Speaker 4: So did he know to give permission for it? I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole like I think it's something where
like the thing he agreed to pull, Like I don't know,
I haven't read the full thing. I just know they're
being sued for Tarkan because there might be some loophole
or something where it's like that didn't line up. I'm
sure they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: His friend is legally challenging Disney.
Speaker 1: Interesting, and who knows, maybe his friend has some sort
of like actual legal thing right like if he doesn't
have a wife or kid.
Speaker 3: Friend's going down.
Speaker 4: Man, he's gonna be that friend is trying to cash it.
Oh yeah, like if you die, I'll go. I'll go
to bat for you. If they use your CGI likeness.
Speaker 1: No, you keep them. Yeah, no one's using him. I'm
dying on my films know that that's where all be
it goes. So yeah, we'll see or they'll just use
his voice. We'll get like but you could, yeah, you
could get Martin Freeman and he could do like a
they could do like a mix of him and old
Bilbo together and everything. But I think, yeah, I don't
know about Bilbo is the true But I think you're
getting Wood, and I wonder if you get Sam too,
and they just do some sort of package.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see some of the other wizards, uh,
because well, Rad of Gas, I've gassed it out, But
don't we have like the Twins and the Blue Wizards
or what else.
Speaker 2: Someone off these other Wizards Wars is not a wizard.
Speaker 1: He could be, he could legitimly they'll be in this one. Kirkland.
I think if they're looking for stuff to stretch and because.
Speaker 2: Lower the rings films.
Speaker 1: Because for for them like stretching stuff like the Hunter go, well,
it's something mentioned the book, but we don't show in
the movie. That's like another thing, right, like, well we
didn't do on Bomba Dell, So like let's do it
there and maybe golm and can fucking it'll began if
bumping into him again the big I'll remember Rings of Power,
or it'll be legless or something.
Speaker 2: I might just actually just just give up. Then at
that point, what.
Speaker 1: It's your hate with Tom Bambatill, Come on, they're doing
good enough. Rings of Power you love.
Speaker 2: There's there's many, many, many interesting characters that they can
they can pull from that doesn't have Blue Wizards. Tom Bombadil, Yeah,
give me some blue Wizards.
Speaker 1: Well, some of us do find it's him interesting, So
he's a great character throw in there. You know, if
they're covering stuff if not, so, yeah, you can't watch
the Hobbits already? Is that? It? Everything like that? All right,
let's take a last at break and we'll be right
back with some trailers, and we're back. So trailers we
got this week is Sonic three, wolf Man Night, Bitch,
Hold Your Breath, Saturday Night, and Unfortunate Wicked. Thank you
Mike for adding that that's what you can do on Patreon.
Uh in a hearing and sending questions and stuff, and
Mike wanted to watch Wickets, So tell us give your
thoughts on all these trailers.
Speaker 3: Honestly, pretty weak batch for me, not gonna lie. These
ingredients did not make the best meal for me. I
think Saturday Night was the most interesting one to me.
I'm sure I've heard this movie, but I kind of
forgot it existed, So I like the concept here. I
definitely spent a lot of time watching Saturday Night Live
over the years. I feel like I'm not really nostalgic
for this very early, you know, start of the series,
but I think it's yeah, but I think it's a
really interesting nonetheless, like as a history lesson if it's
even halfway accurate. And I'm you know, I recognize some
of the people, of course that are part of that
original lineup, So I really like the look at that.
I think they did a really job the filming of it.
They made it feel sort of retro in a way,
and I think they did a really good job with that.
I really like the cast from what I've seen in there,
So yeah, that one looks really interesting to me. I'm
excited for that. And then night Bitch. I've heard so
much about this movie over the last couple of months
from people that I don't know what I was expecting,
but I guess it just seemed like a little more
basic then I wanted, or a little too I don't
know what it was. It just didn't actually grab me
in any way, and I was a bit disappointing, Like
I think there's some interesting ideas there, but it's like, Okay,
I'm absolutely waiting for this one to come out, see
what people think about it on our discord server, and
then I will maybe watch it if it's really good somehow,
But I just I don't know about that. My only
guys saving grace for it is that if Amy Adams
read the script and said, yes, I feel like there's
something interesting there. Maybe so.
Speaker 1: There she's been some stinkers lately. That's a way. Yeah,
watch across the window or whatever the fuck it's called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's called that, but maybe there's
hold your breath, my god, that that looks very generic
and boring. Not into that whatso' sorry? Selection, tiff selection,
Yeah right, wolfman, this is there's been too much of
a teaser. I need more little need a little more
meat on the bone there of that wolfman to decide
what's going on there. There's a finger in the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think about this rumored look of
the wolf that we're talking about the Discord last weeks.
Speaker 3: Some fucking value village level face mask going on there.
Speaker 1: So we were telling us last week in the Discord
where I guess they do like the Universal Horror Nights.
I think at one point this movie is supposed to
be out earlier, so maybe that's why this is happening.
But this is supposedly what the Wolfman looks like, and
if you pause the trailer a few times, it looks
like this could be what the Wolfman looks like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to imagine that the actual movie
doesn't have a cheap value village man.
Speaker 1: No, this is exact costume.
Speaker 3: For all that light, same as the film It at
night then, but I don't know this. I like it.
It's really provocative, like I'm probably gonna wake up in
the middle of the night thinking about this stupid face
now because I've seen it. It's pretty terrifying. So yeah,
so yeah that could work. Sonic three. I haven't seen
any of these movies. This for the Sony fans looks
awesomely you're getting your endgame of Sonic, but I don't
care about that. And then Wicked Yeat. It's too bad
actually because I really like the first trailer, but this
one is like, God, this movie looks boring. I never
want to see this. So I don't know what happened
between the first and the second one, but I think
maybe the the aroma of it has kind of wore off.
And then I realized what this movie actually is. And
even though I think it has some good visuals, I
just don't think I'm gonna care much for the actual
story of it. So uh yeah, a little little bit
bashed for me.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: Saturday Night's like the one exciting one for me.
Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, there you go. I miss Saturday Night,
so I did not actually see that one night. Bitch.
What a twist that trailer has at a certain point,
it just really flips around and uh, I don't know.
I left me a little uneasy. I don't think I'm
gonna watch that movie, but Geek's.
Speaker 1: Peak just so you know, so you guys are gonna
have to watch that.
Speaker 4: Uh wolf Man.
Speaker 2: I actually really really like this this teaser trailer. It
felt like a very very different vibe of a Wolfman movie.
And I don't I haven't even really seen a lot
of Wolfman type movies, but I don't know. It looks freaky.
Speaker 1: So sure Taylor has a bunch to recommend, and London
that one's coat. London's fucking phenomenal. Yeah, The Wolfman, Benisa
del Toro, Tam, I'm sure you love that one.
Speaker 4: Back The wolf Man, which you never mean?
Speaker 1: Which one? The woman? Benro It's I think it's maybe
Emily Blunt.
Speaker 4: That was with the Father, Yeah, Emily Blood Hopkins. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I had like a hunger to watch it
after this one because I can't. I don't know if
I've fully seen it. I think I maybe at one
point as a middle schooler saw it on a cam version,
but I went to watch it, but it's nowhere. It's
nowhere to be found.
Speaker 2: So you go find that cam again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exact version.
Speaker 2: Uh Sonic three trailer. Fuck. I love that trailer so much.
It gets me so hyped as a as a Shadow fanboy.
Oh man, I'm I'm fucking ready for this movie. I
like the first two films like enough, but this one
just looks like it has the potential to be on
an entirely different caliber. So I'm really looking forward to
this film. A little big movies around Christmas time? What
was the last one? Here? Hold your Breath.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It looks okay. I I feel like it could be
extremely disappointing or extremely surprising. I don't think it'll be
anywhere in the middle. I don't know why. I just
kind of feel it'll be polarizing. Like that reminded me
of Interstellar a little bit, the opening fall the fucking dust.
Speaker 1: This is what happened after.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are these the same? Like old actress? Actors
and actress they haven't see.
Speaker 1: Heard that video screen? You know. The man who's breathes in.
Speaker 2: You was Ama it's yeah. Oh, and then Wicked, of course,
the one that was selected specifically because I had no
intention to watch this at all, but for you, Mike,
I put it on and yeah, I don't know. It
wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be.
But I don't really have any intention to see this movie.
I not like a Big Alice in Wonderland, like Fan
or what's it called Wizard of Oz. I don't like.
I don't like either of those ones. I don't I
like either of them.
Speaker 1: Fantasy movies, Yeah, your name, top three females, Underworld Horror,
those are horror movies.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, three underworld movies that this will be
my picks. And then yeah, I don't know. I thought
it was an okay trailer, but like Dylan said, it
just kind of ex boring to me. And no, that's
really pulling me into this one.
Speaker 1: Well, this is where I love that we have our
community and relationships with our patrons and everything. And he
knows that I can say this with all joking aside.
Cool fuck yourself, Mike, you're making me watch these Wicked trailers.
I'm like career, where I have no interest in this movie.
They're they're promoting it so much. And he I think
he even had an eyewink emoji or someone you asked
us to watch. It's like, man, I just I'm the
opposite Dyllan. I think this movie looks ugly. In my opinion,
there's like a cool couple of shots, but I think
in general has that like everything looks completely fake, and
I just it reminds me of Quantumnia. That's what reminds
me of and it's that's not good. And yeah, I
have no interest in like, oh man, the Wicked Witch
is misunderstood. Like to me, it's just like that's a villain.
I think it's fun for a Broadway show, and I
know the idea. It's okay, massive Broadway show, bring it
to the movie. Let's see if we get that audience.
That's just not a question I ever wanted asked, you know,
like we've told abo this before. We're recently. I feel like, hey,
we had so many years of villains are just evil,
and then it was okay, we got five years of
every villain is misunderstood. Now I kind of want like
a happy medium of like I still want just evil
people sometimes and I don't really care and I don't
think Ariana Grande looks good in this movie as far
as like from an acting standpoint. Yeah, there's just nothing here.
And the thing that just makes me most curious because
I think I have it in the draft. I'm just
curious how it's gonna do because I I feel like
there's I actually it could go anywhere. I could see
there being middle ground, I could see it eating shit,
I could see it doing really well. I really don't know.
I've not met a single person in my real life
that is seeing this movie. When I talk about all
the movies coming out, I was like, yeah, but like,
oh there's this and this. It's like I don't see
anyone that excited for Wicked. Maybe it's just too late,
I don't know. But like Wonka did great last year
in December, right, And I think it has that type
of vibe of prequel to classic movie that was a
part of a lot of people's childhood. Look at Beal Juice,
Like there's a lot of people that maybe are still
from that era, even if they're older, that Hey, this
would be the movie i'd go out to see, or
the musical people. Right, So I'm happy to have in
the draft so in case its spikes. But I'm not
seeing this even if my kids want to. I think
it's gonna be like a home watch. I'll happily watch
it at home. But I still think they're showing music,
but they're still showing the characters really sing again and
to that point, like they're not showing off that the musical,
and I think for a reason. So yeah, I'm not
looking forward to this one at some point if I
have to see it, hold your breath. I like that
it's I do love this season. That's one thing I
love about streamers in October. They just like fucking plow
you with horror movies, right and there's gonna be something
good in there. There's gonna be something awful, and then
a whole bunch in between. I hope this is something good.
I do like the setup. I like the idea of
maybe is this woman crazy or is this an actual thing?
I don't know. I think the trailer shows a few
moments that it could go either way. I like there's
some you know that sewing. There's like a good little
jump scare there, gross and scared there. So I think
it's potential, but also his potentially be like a solid
three to four out of ten, like it looks like
it doesn't look like I'm like, man, I can't wait,
but I'm like, well, I kind of hope this is
a surprise that no one can save you. Even though
that had a better trailer, right, but that was the
same thing of like Hulu release that was in the
summer though I guess last year, right, but still like
Hulu released, we saw a prey like, there's times where
it can be good and Paulson's great, So I'm hoping
for something good. So I will watch this because the
Halloween season. Uh what else? Sonic three? Yeah, I don't
have much to add. I'm we'll see at some point
with the kids. It looks like it's doing good with
that audience. It looks like they're gonna make those people happy.
So I think it looks like a fun trailer, but
I don't. It didn't make me like, man, I cannot
wait for Sonic three. It's just like, Okay, they're gonna
make a bunch of money. What else was there that
I'm missing here?
Speaker 3: Saturday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Saturday. It looks really great. I will give
credit to Mike because he said he thought it could
be an Oscar one, and they for a while weren't
putting it in any festivals. Now it's doing a bunch
of festivals, and from these trailers, I was like, Okay,
I think there's a good chance because oh, what's the
new category? Did they add ensemble or cat? I think
they added casting director something in the oscars I thought
they had I have to look up oscar new category
because it's not stunts, but I know everybody wants that.
What is it not? I don't know. I have to
find I thought they were adding that, I'll look while
Taylor's talking, but no, this looks great. Everyone looks really cast.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The main guy playing lower Michaels has like a lower
Michael's vibe. He was great and Fablesman, which I stillought
was a good movie. Yeah. I love SNL to like
I don't know to whatever the Bill Hayter class was.
And then that's when I jumped out, like I watched
my whole life up until that, and then watched a bunch.
I remember one of the first things on Netflix when
my dad got it. They had every single season of
SNL on Netflix except for the musical acts. They cut
them out. I don't know why some episodes did something.
It must have been rights issue, but I remember going
back and just like I don't think I've watched every episode,
but like definitely I've seen a little bit of every
type of era and it was so much fun. So
I love the concept of Saturday and I love just
little things. What's a skit about? And no, it's not
a skit. It's a sketch. Like that's a big thing
for people. And I said, now, you don't every want
to call them skits because they got offended. So I
feel like the people making this movie have an idea.
Jason Wrightman is a great director. Night bitch really disappointed
in this one. I remember this is before we made Adrenochrome.
I think I ta Taylor on Twitter and I was like, Oh,
this is the type of movies we gotta make because
like this is like we like the weird stuff. And
I'm like, oh, when we heard oh Amy Adams is
in a movie where she's turning into a dog, I'm like,
this is gv review written all over, like this is
gonna be a fun time. There's gonna be something really kooky.
I was expecting more a twenty four where this could
be more like comedic, you know, like almost Will Ferrell
vibes in a sense of I could have seen a movie,
like a movie that I guess they did this, like
not the exact same Tim Allen and Shaggy Dog, right,
like this looks like the Ratar version of that. But
still it's just I was expecting something a bit more
heady and a bit more of a just dynamic and
this just looks very kind of basic. So I still
see this not in theaters. This will be a VOD
watch for me unless people say it's like the best
of the year. But I'm not getting that vibe. And
then god, I'm forgetting again. Wolfman not a great not
a great tea. Not everything about this has been great
so far. The looks I don't care as much because
there's other Wolfmen people so fine. The poster is really lame.
It's just like a girl like holding her eyes and
she she's making a W with her hands. I'm like,
all right, I get it. W for wolf and this
teaser I thought I could have had like a bit
more hoodspa. I'm starting to like Christopher Abbott like he
was in U What a Sanctuary, which I Loved and
Poor Things. Yeah, so before I didn't think much of him.
Now he's in a lot of things that I've liked.
I don't think he's something else coming out this year
that looks really good. And then I always want to
what's her Julia Gardner because I always want to say
Jennifer Gardner. She's one of my favorite actresses working today.
I've talked about this before. I loved her An Americans,
So it has little pieces in this one. I'll just
have to say. I have to trust Leewinell. I liked
like to Love Upgrade, I don't know, I need to
watch again, loved Invisible Man. I just gotta look, you know.
And obviously he wrote most of the Saw movies of
that first era, so like, I just kind of trust him.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 1: I think this will be a good movie regardless, even
if the promotion's not that great. Is coming on in January,
so I'm hoping that they think it could be like
a sleeper hit. But that's sometimes time where they throw
movies to die, so it could just not be a
good movie. And maybe they did not swing for the
fences too well. So tay that the floor is yours.
Leave Saturday for a bit because I gotta find out
that Oscar category thing least Saturday.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Sonic three. I am. I'm looking forward to
this and I'm glad that this is gonna be kind
of like a good pick me up turn around because
that Knuckle show was fucking rough and you can check
out Kirk.
Speaker 1: Though it's a good review, it was super fun. I've
never heard Taylor and kirkle more depressed like that opening
is really tough to get through in a fun way,
you know.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, they did something with that show that they
should not repeat. But yeah, luckily we got a great
movie lined up here with this third one. Can't wait
and the trailer is just getting super super excited. I
don't know why, but I really didn't think Jim Carrey
was actually gonna be in this movie. I thought because
he kept saying what he was retired from acting it.
Speaker 1: Was but they announced he was coming back. They just
mad a fat jack.
Speaker 4: Completely went over my head, and I'm so happy because
it was just it was actually a really nice surprise
seeing him the trailer and I'm just I'm open the
moon for that that.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Wolf Man looks pretty cool the way the trailer at
least was shot at definitely kept it mysterious, kept it intense,
and I'm excited for it. There's a few other wolf
movies that I have to watch. There's that Kid Harrington
one where he's turned into a wolf, and I feel
like there's a couple right there's there's It's definitely been
kind of on the upswing, although I mean, I don't
know if it's necessarily there with the vampire movies. I
feel like the vampire movie is definitely and excuse me
and my books are higher than the werewolf ones right now.
But we'll see if the werewolf is looking like the
fucking orc goblin figure there, that's right, he does war
We got a night bitch Now. This one made me
laugh and I really want to take Madison to see
those things. You'll get a good kick out of it.
Just oh man, just the fact that you're gonna put
a on this one. I just I pull a sitter
on this one just because, like I just think I
think Madison would really get a kick out of it,
because when you spend that whole year at home on
matt leave with the baby, and just to see, like
with Amy Adam's character, here. I think that's it's a
very specific demographic that it's targeting, and I think a
lot of moms can watch this and probably think that
there's a lot of humor in this and a lot
of similarities and the fact like the fucking going insane
because it's just you and your your your kid and
you have to find constructive things to do, and it
doesn't look like Amy Adams's character is doing it in
this movie. There's just there's a lot of stuff in
here that looks really funny, and I think it could
be a good time. Ah.
Speaker 1: There's just something in my bones that makes me say, like,
Masson's not gonna like this, and she's just gonna look
at you and be like, why did we waste a
night on this? I just I'm calling that right now.
Speaker 4: That pull my posters down.
Speaker 1: When come home, your whole wall is gonna be gone.
You have no more door so she can hear what
movies you're talking about taking her too, And you're like, no,
I can just see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see what else.
Speaker 1: Do we Saturday Night, which I can confirm was best casting.
So this is one of those where that's kind of
like an ensemble sort of piece. So this is a
movie that I could see getting a bass oscar for
best cast if it all works out when you have
like eight to ten people that are fun actors right
for the role, you know, perfect. Anything of the trailer
you can tell about that was good.
Speaker 3: No, No, he's out of here.
Speaker 1: No, he's look, he's so tired, man, These nights are
really good to him. Yeah, look at it. He fell
asleep live on cast. Man, it's really getting Yeah, it's
so disrespectful to the people. I hope there's no one
star reviews right now. Just sleep man. He's I don't know,
we're supposed to review promising a woman after this from Mike, He's.
Speaker 3: Like, well, at least Mike at least be covered. Uh wicked?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's he woke up. That's good. How's how's your
little thirty second app there?
Speaker 4: It's good. But I don't trust this internet right now.
Speaker 3: Trust it, let it flow through you.
Speaker 1: He said that, and then if he was in a movie,
he would have just been like sniped in the head
or something. I don't trust. He's like, he looks like
someone told him to take his photo and you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, this is like the last photo of a
guy before he goes missing the last they have it's
always pixelated.
Speaker 1: I don't trust the internet right now, Boom gone to
the fuel has never seen five? Yeah, what will be tailor?
There he is? There's that pixels again?
Speaker 4: Quickly that fast?
Speaker 1: Kay? Quickly do sorry all the rest of the trips
go before your internet dies again.
Speaker 4: Saturday Night cool aesthetic, cool vibes. Interested, might not see
in theaters.
Speaker 1: Hold your breaths, like, oh I got another one? No
not seeing theaters.
Speaker 4: Ebon Moss Backrack who is in the Bear. He plays Richie.
It can't He's actually in this movie, so I'm yeah,
that's good, that'll be exciting.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: He's also was in the Punish Shirt apparently I saw.
That's really really cool that too, if you want. And
then lastly it was Wicked. You don't have much interest
in this movie. I think that at the end of
the day, I don't know why they're all trying to
like munchkin Land. Everyone in Emerald City is trying to
befriend the Witch or just like make her look like
she's like Okay, she's fucking evil and.
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, she's not the Did you watch her?
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Alice in Wonderland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in the Wizard of Oz, she's evil.
Speaker 1: But that's not the point. Do you not understand the
point of she's not evil? They make her out to
be evil?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, why does she become evil?
Speaker 1: Because they're because they're trying to say that her being
evil is not actually her being evil. She's the misunderstood
hero of the story.
Speaker 4: But then what is she and the Wizard of Oz
just the mis Yes, she accident, she's absolutely evil in
the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: Though, but they're saying that, no, she's not. She was misunderstood.
Literally the trailers, like you know, Jeff Golden's like, how
do unite people with a great enemy? So that's the
idea of like they're they're gonna frame her to be
the evil with.
Speaker 4: The I'm pretty sure she threatens with death though, to
kill like Dorothy, and but.
Speaker 1: She probably thinks Dothy in a dark place. Yeah, we've
all threatened people, we've we've broke each other's next before.
But like that's what they're doing, is they are making
it she is a misunderstood villain.
Speaker 4: Well, then the other con I have is that you
know the least uh, I don't remember what her name is,
the Fairy of the West, Godmother of the West, or
whatever she is, Aarona Grande's Witch or whatever she is.
She is obviously her characters in the Wizard of Oz,
and then those characters, especially her who she would know
that the Wicked Witch is good and YadA, YadA YadA,
but doesn't bad andy at the fact that Dorothy just
fucking melts her with water and kills her.
Speaker 1: But what if she's not. What if she's in for
the whole uh like uh framing thing in for it.
She's a part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It just totally puts a whole new light on the
Wizard of Oz, where everyone that is good in that
movie are really the fucking enemies and they should all
die like they're all bad like munchkin Land. They're all
fucking evil City, They're all evil. I mean, I grew
up on that movie. My dad actually dressed up as
a Wicked Witch for Halloween once. But this changes and everything.
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't need that detail of all.
I meant, do you like the idea of everyone good
and Wizard of Oz now bad? Like it's flipped? You
like that? Ah?
Speaker 4: It's interesting, But I don't know if I like it.
I just feel like it's a it's an unneeded way
of cashing in and making a story. Are you really,
I don't know. I don't know if it's date night worthy,
not like night bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh laugh And she's like, oh, I would to
take you between this and Wicked, but I chose a
night bitch. And she's like, I would have much preferred
to see Wicked. So yeah, yeah, Well, thank el ladys, gentlemen.
We have done a nice little mini pretty much regular newscasts.
Like I said, in a couple of weeks, we will
do probably many one if there's no news, but we'll
do at least Joker two predictions, and then we'll do
some draft updates before Joker comes up and anything else.
So thank you very much for tuning in. Check out
all the other casts. Uh, and it won't be boring.
Speaker 3: Bye bye bye