1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Hey, Arrow, how are you absolutely fantastic? Before we even 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,240 get started, I got to ask you this question, knowing 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,560 what you know and what you have personally experienced with creativity, 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,039 would you do it all over again? 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:12,839 Speaker 2: There's no doubt I would do it. 6 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: You know, the idea of changing anything seems like you know, 7 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:17,480 you would lose so much. 8 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I fact same. 9 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: See. That's what I love about this book is that 10 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,320 you're coming out there and I mean you're you're giving 11 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:26,960 us everything and you're saying, okay, so thank you for celebrating. 12 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:29,079 But now let me tell you what really what it 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,440 was like to walk in my shoes. 14 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of pain and a lot 15 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,200 of struggle, and a lot of stress and a lot 16 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,039 of challenges, and those things are part of the equation 17 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:39,759 of success. 18 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: How did you deal with that in putting it in 19 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:43,960 the book? Because I too, am a writer and there 20 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,880 are many I mean, we go through a lot of 21 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,200 emotions when we're writing. 22 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,399 Speaker 3: I tried to be as honest as I could, and 23 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:53,759 that was the biggest challenge probably was just to be 24 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,159 as uncensored and unfiltered as I could be, because I 25 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,799 wanted people to really feel what I was going through 26 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:02,079 and these very famous things were happening. 27 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: And one of those famous things was actually writing with 28 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:09,439 Bob Dylan. Oh my god, dude, Yeah, that was an 29 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,359 amazing experience. 30 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,359 Speaker 2: I mean it was like sitting with the Guru who 31 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:14,319 would sit there full. 32 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: In this boxing gym and he was chain smoking twelve 33 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,120 hours a day and we would write together, and I 34 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:22,159 every day I was like, Wow, I'm writing with Bob Dylan. 35 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,439 Speaker 2: I mean it was always every day was like a 36 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,760 revelation to be with him. 37 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: So is it like the theory that my wife has 38 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,840 always told me, because her firs assessment was he was 39 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:31,959 a record producer that worked with Michael Jackson as well 40 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,079 as Madonna. She said they put on their clothes the 41 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:35,799 same way you do. They're just people. 42 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:39,719 Speaker 3: Well that's true, but I mean there is something about 43 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:42,319 Bob Dilan that is different than anybody I had ever met. 44 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:45,040 I mean, he's a savants. He's got some kind of 45 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,239 like inner wisdom. He taught me to trust my instincts 46 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:50,959 no matter what, even if they're wrong. That's all you 47 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,040 have are your instincts. And everything that he said to 48 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:56,040 me wound up being a pearl of wisdom that I 49 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:56,959 was able to carry. 50 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,959 Speaker 1: Speaking of being a teacher, how in a book like this, 51 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:03,319 this is all about teaching people. And we are living 52 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,959 in an internet visionary kind of lifestyle nowadays, where everybody 53 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:08,960 thinks they're a star before even jumping on board. 54 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, well what they find out is, as Andy Warhol said, 55 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:16,000 you'll have your fifteen minutes of fame, the hard part 56 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,080 having more than that. And look at Bob Dylan. He's 57 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,360 been doing it for what sixty years already. 58 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: Think about how hard that is to sustaining that for 59 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:26,280 that long. It's amazing. 60 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: You know. 61 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: That's so funny that you said that, because one of 62 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,000 the things I've been doing lately, especially since this last 63 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:33,680 biopic about him, is I go onto Alexa and I 64 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:36,719 have her play Bob Dylan music and I keep thinking, wow, 65 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,680 I totally forgot he sang that song. 66 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's like Picasso. He has different phases. Yeah, 67 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,280 you know this early folk fase. 68 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:45,479 Speaker 2: There's the electric phase. 69 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: There's a Christian phase, there's the Jewish phase, there's the 70 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,919 blues man phase, there's the current phase. There's a lot 71 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,080 of aspects to Bob Dylan. He's got a tremendous body 72 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,840 of work that you can explore for the rest of 73 00:02:58,879 --> 00:02:59,560 your life. 74 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,479 Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Larry Charles coming 75 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,560 up next the name of the book comedy Samurai forty 76 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,319 years of Blood, guts and Laughter. Larry Charles, We're back. 77 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,960 So what did you do in your life when it 78 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,639 came to setting free your creativity? So many people are 79 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:20,319 I call them hiters. They sit in their houses and 80 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,759 they create beautiful things, but they won't let it go 81 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:23,960 for others to enjoy it. 82 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,199 Speaker 2: I think that that is a hard thing, especially if 83 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:27,680 you're a writer. 84 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: And I kind of forced myself out there and I 85 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,280 learned to deal with rejection and I had I developed 86 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,240 resilience because rejection and failure is. 87 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,039 Speaker 2: Part of the equation. 88 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:41,719 Speaker 3: And I got rejected and I failed many many times, 89 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,120 but in a way, it spurred me on and it 90 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:45,759 propelled me to succeed. 91 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you face that rejection, are you like me? 92 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,159 Did you just kind of laugh it off? It's like 93 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:52,599 whatever your loss. 94 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:54,599 Speaker 3: Well, it took me a while to get to the 95 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:56,919 place where I could laugh it off. But I took 96 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 it very hard for a while. But I realized that 97 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:03,479 nobody cares, so I was going to move on. I 98 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,759 had to keep going, and I finally figured that out. 99 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:06,560 I figured that out. 100 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:08,879 Speaker 1: Speaking of figuring things out, now, when you were writing 101 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:11,199 this book, did you come across anything that you were 102 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:13,039 writing that just shocked you, Because I mean when you 103 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,560 start uncovering the layers, it's like, oh, I forgot about that. 104 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were things that I've forgotten that kind of 105 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,800 came back into my memory and that I was able 106 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,680 to write about. And again, I had to kind of 107 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,279 excavate my own soul to write a good version of 108 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:31,279 this book, you know, to be honest and not just 109 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,600 having to be a recounting of all these great, you know, projects, 110 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,279 but to sort of tell a kind of deeper story 111 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:40,920 about life during the projects. 112 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: And that was my goal. 113 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: See, I've always believed that writers are profits in a way. 114 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,639 And in other words, we experienced the good, the bad, 115 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,759 the ugly, the twist, the spins, and all of a sudden, 116 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:50,199 now we have to go teach a lesson. 117 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't set out to teach a lesson. 118 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,720 I mean, on Seinfeld, we used to say no hugging, 119 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,360 no learning. I wasn't interested in a false morality. I 120 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:04,360 wanted to be unvarnished and true, even if I didn't 121 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:06,079 come off looking good in the process. 122 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,879 Speaker 1: What is it like for you to see your words 123 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,560 and thinking patterns come out of someone else's mouth. Was 124 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,759 that easy to accomplish? 125 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: I had dreamed about that before it happened. I was 126 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,279 really I was very pleased to hear that it was 127 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,600 a great experience. 128 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,439 Speaker 1: I was shocked when I learned that. You say that 129 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240 a lot of comedians don't make it big on television 130 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,199 for many different projects and reasons. I mean, but stepping back, 131 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,279 it's like he's speaking the truth. 132 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 133 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: Well, some comedians are very good at sort of condensing 134 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:42,560 their act and sort of making it very TV friendly. 135 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,959 Speaker 2: Other comedians really. 136 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: Need the spontaneity of a nightclub where they're dealing and 137 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:50,040 they're interacting with the live audience, and that's what makes 138 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:50,600 it special. 139 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: It's just like music in a way. I mean, if 140 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,839 you go see The Grateful Dead, they're going to be. 141 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:58,079 Speaker 3: Every show would be different, you know, Whereas some musicians 142 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,759 want to play exactly what's on the record, and that's 143 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,160 the difference in comedy as well. 144 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:02,439 Speaker 2: Well. 145 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: So many of those comedians, they it takes them years 146 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,040 to craft their jokes. But for you, as a writer, 147 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:09,560 how did you trust that. Yep, they're gonna laugh at 148 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,800 this one. 149 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: I had no idea. I hide that. 150 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: One of the great uh typerrope walking feats of comedy 151 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,480 writing is you really don't know it's funny. You never 152 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,720 know it's funny, and you will find out the hard way. 153 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Please come back to this show anytime in the future. 154 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:27,720 The door is always going to be open for you. 155 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: Okay, man, thank you so much. That's very nice of 156 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,519 you to said great to meet you. 157 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:32,439 Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today. 158 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna try you too.