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Speaker 2: Let's do some swamp watch. Swamp is horrible.
Speaker 3: The government doesn't work. Come man, gonna make us like
Speaker 3: a reality TV show.
Speaker 2: Was a bad doo, always a pleasure to be anywhere
Speaker 2: from Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: Hey Joe, a town all too clearly built on a
Speaker 4: swamp and in so many ways.
Speaker 3: Still a swamp. I have a watch of Maworkee, he said,
Speaker 3: Drained the swamp.
Speaker 2: I said, Oh, that's so, I'll keep happen.
Speaker 1: You know the thing, it's kind of weird twist this
Speaker 1: story on how things go the Trump.
Speaker 5: Are we looking at the same story it's from right here.
Speaker 5: No not, I'm looking at the other one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Trump concedes twenty twenty loss could if he
Speaker 1: conceding that twenty twenty loss could mean legal trouble, so
Speaker 1: says former Deputy.
Speaker 2: Ag So.
Speaker 1: Former President Donald Trump recently changed in how he characterizes
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election results. Maybe good politics, they say,
Speaker 1: because if he can see you know that hole.
Speaker 2: I was robbed. I was robbed.
Speaker 1: I was robbed doesn't always play well, but it's a
Speaker 1: bad legal strategy. According one of the former Justice Department officials,
Speaker 1: this is, you know, there is some point where and
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this yesterday, the Lincoln quote that
Speaker 1: if you don't lie, you never have to remember anything.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 1: And if you're throwing things out that aren't always factual,
Speaker 1: or you go down a path where you're beating a
Speaker 1: particular drum, you're going to be held accountable for that
Speaker 1: unless you make an honest reversal and say, new information,
Speaker 1: new evidence has come to my attention, and this is
Speaker 1: where it's at.
Speaker 5: But one of his most recent quotes, Trump I'm referred into, uh,
Speaker 5: not long ago August thirtieth. He says, quote, we got
Speaker 5: the most votes of anybody of any sitting president in history,
Speaker 5: and he beat us by a whisker. He's made similar
Speaker 5: comments and other you know, appearances in the past few days,
Speaker 5: in the past several years.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And Tom Dupree, who was a deputy assistant Attorney General in.
Speaker 3: The George W.
Speaker 5: Bush administration, he said, quote, it was probably politically smart
Speaker 5: for Trump to admit he lost the election, but legally
Speaker 5: that sure could have consequences.
Speaker 1: Well because some of the statements, I mean, being sued
Speaker 1: now by people have said, you gosh, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of the former mayor of New York, oh oh,
Speaker 1: Juliani sounds like yeah, and that he was sued by
Speaker 1: He stepped to it as one of the todies of
Speaker 1: and said, you know, this is what happened, and then.
Speaker 2: He would he was sued. Were they folks from.
Speaker 1: Georgia that said that they besmirched them and all of
Speaker 1: that and he got nailed for that. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, is that in this particular case,
Speaker 1: if now you're saying, yes, we lost, then there is no.
Speaker 2: You know, there is no mess.
Speaker 3: You're just shown your cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that's gonna come back to bite
Speaker 1: him in the ass.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I would assume that the Trump team is
Speaker 5: categorizing this ruling by Judge One Rashaan today as a win.
Speaker 5: And that is the sentencing in the hush money case,
Speaker 5: the thirty four counts of false buying business records that
Speaker 5: the president was found guilty of the former president was
Speaker 5: found guilty of back in May. That sentenceing has now
Speaker 5: officially been delayed to November. The twenty sixth, so post
Speaker 5: the present ssidential election, it was supposed to happen in
Speaker 5: the coming days, expected by September the sixteenth, while that
Speaker 5: delay officially approved today until November twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: That's got to help, you know, Yeah, just that it's
Speaker 1: not a less heavy lifting prior to the election, and
Speaker 1: obviously less negativity prior to the election and moving in
Speaker 1: a better direction that is probably well welcomed. All right,
Speaker 1: Neil Savedro marlatez in for Gary and Shannon more Swamp
Speaker 1: watch to come to go nowhere. Also, Wayne Resnick is
Speaker 1: going to join us at the bottom of the hour
Speaker 1: to talk about Hunter Biden. He was twenty eight years
Speaker 1: as a federal probation officer and.
Speaker 3: He knows his stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just an.
Speaker 1: Excellent breakdown of it on the Morning show today, and
Speaker 1: we invited him to come in and he said yeah,
Speaker 1: So he'll be joining us a little bit later at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour as well.
Speaker 3: Ah oh, mart I have to do the heimlig Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, I was laughing.
Speaker 1: You were You're you're so just the facts.
Speaker 2: I love it, And you're like, what.
Speaker 3: How do I respond to? What is the best way?
Speaker 2: What the hell happened. Oh my gosh. The old joke,
Speaker 2: hey were you hit by a car? No?
Speaker 3: You got to post that photo.
Speaker 1: Oh no, the old joke was, hey were you hit
Speaker 1: by a truck? No, it was a car. I'll post
Speaker 1: one of the spiked hair ones. That's amazing because Steve
Speaker 1: Gregory we were talking about high school or whatever, and
Speaker 1: he sent a picture of me from like ninth grade
Speaker 1: a yearbook. He knows a police officer apparently that I
Speaker 1: went to school with. He didn't give me the name
Speaker 1: of the fellow, but it would have been. I was
Speaker 1: only there the first two years. So he sent it
Speaker 1: the yearbook picture, and I said, it's funny because my
Speaker 1: hair is down, and I'm like, I wonder if my
Speaker 1: either that or I could have been wearing a hat
Speaker 1: or something and took it off.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let me wear it. But my hair was
Speaker 2: down and not spiked.
Speaker 5: Did you did you blow dry your hair back then?
Speaker 5: I mean, like style it? No, that just as natural.
Speaker 5: Why does that happen? Do you know how much we
Speaker 5: have to do for our hair, like in terms of
Speaker 5: and that's just natural hair.
Speaker 2: No, that was just natural.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have to hang upside.
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, sure, but that hair, Okay, you don't throw
Speaker 5: that hair was just natural.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. You got to throw that up on the socials.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's funny. Okay, your face.
Speaker 3: Hey, I know people around here.
Speaker 5: I've never It's like, for context, I've never seen you
Speaker 5: except for now.
Speaker 3: I've never seen any older pictures.
Speaker 5: There's some in the hallways here at KFI, but you
Speaker 5: look exactly the same.
Speaker 1: There's there's no no I had hair when I came
Speaker 1: to KFI, but I took it off not long after.
Speaker 5: But the pictures that I've seen, all the stuff you see,
Speaker 5: so I've never seen that before.
Speaker 3: So it's shocking.
Speaker 5: It's literally it's like the heat when you go outside
Speaker 5: after being into ac it takes your brother.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Your response was just like what I thought you were
Speaker 1: going to cuss? And what that have happened?
Speaker 5: Okay, speaking of cussing, that brings us to our continued
Speaker 5: conversation in swamp watch swamp watch?
Speaker 2: All right, where were we? Oh my god?
Speaker 5: Well, let's let's we're we're what four days move down
Speaker 5: to four days until the debate.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's coming up on the tenth. Uh, and
Speaker 1: you know things are heating up. They went ahead and
Speaker 1: agreed to the everybody agreed with everything they're going to
Speaker 1: do the debate. It's not just uh Trump and Harris though.
Speaker 1: When you break this stuff down, is to have a
Speaker 1: lot at stake. ABC News has as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal in every it's hard to do
Speaker 1: these things without getting nailed. It's hard to moderate without
Speaker 1: getting nailed, and to be as unbiased as possible to
Speaker 1: try and keep control.
Speaker 2: It's almost a losing situation as well.
Speaker 5: It's well right, it depends on you're right it is
Speaker 5: it could be a losing situation, of course. Others say
Speaker 5: this is a great opportunity for ABC. And you know,
Speaker 5: the pressure was on for CNN when they did the debate.
Speaker 5: It's the same rules from June to now.
Speaker 2: And I think they did a nice job.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but there's plenty.
Speaker 5: Of people who said that CNN they didn't fact check,
Speaker 5: they didn't interrupt enough, they just let them go. And
Speaker 5: and on one hand, that made it for more palatable
Speaker 5: viewing in that there wasn't the.
Speaker 1: But is it the moderator's job per se to fact
Speaker 1: check all of that, or is it the opponent's job
Speaker 1: it's there debating. They should be able to call each
Speaker 1: other out if they do a fact check at the end,
Speaker 1: I think that's great.
Speaker 5: It well and then post in their analysis shows right, they.
Speaker 3: Always have a fact checker.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say always, but there is a fact checker
Speaker 5: usually or all the publications anyway, how many times did
Speaker 5: Trump say misinformation?
Speaker 3: How many times did Harris say so we.
Speaker 5: Can expect that ABC sees this as a huge responsibility.
Speaker 5: The moderators are David Muir and Lindsay Davis. They say
Speaker 5: that they will be there quote to facilitate, so it's
Speaker 5: less of that, you know, fact checking, in more to
Speaker 5: just make sure everyone minds.
Speaker 3: Their p's and q's. Yeah, that's how I read that.
Speaker 2: I think that's hard. Fact checking is hard to do
Speaker 2: if because it's almost.
Speaker 3: Like, well, so much information.
Speaker 5: Because I when I watch these, I'm always watching it
Speaker 5: from the newsroom.
Speaker 3: I'm always putting myself.
Speaker 5: In that position, you know, if I ever had the
Speaker 5: opportunity to sit there and to be on that stage.
Speaker 3: There's so much information, and again.
Speaker 5: It's so much easier to be on your couch and
Speaker 5: to be able to call people out than it is
Speaker 5: if you're there in person.
Speaker 3: Again, this is their job. This is their job as
Speaker 3: journalists to be up there.
Speaker 5: But when so much information and everyone it's all happening,
Speaker 5: you know, live, it's it's it's one of the challenges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that it's their battle and they
Speaker 1: got to catch each other on it and then the
Speaker 1: news station afterwards, because what if you catch one on
Speaker 1: one side and miss the other on the other side,
Speaker 1: It's you end up being a referee for a fight
Speaker 1: that is really theirs, and they need to be able
Speaker 1: to stand their ground, not only on memorizing their own points,
Speaker 1: but being able. That's a debate is being able to
Speaker 1: go listen, you just made this claim and that's not true.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite features on social media now is
Speaker 1: when you can make an addendum to something. You can
Speaker 1: go on and say, here's the the here's multiple articles
Speaker 1: that refute this statement or that said this was ai
Speaker 1: or said I love when you can attach that to
Speaker 1: something that makes that's you know, uh, makes it fair.
Speaker 1: But during a match like this, where you've got two
Speaker 1: people going at it, it's on them to call you
Speaker 1: out each other out.
Speaker 5: An estimated just over fifty one million people watch Biden
Speaker 5: and Trump in June. That was before many people were
Speaker 5: truly tuned into the election.
Speaker 2: Oh this is going to be bigger.
Speaker 5: Than Yeah, this is going to be well super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Nothing really lives up to the super Bowl. The NFL
Speaker 5: is the most highly watched thing that we can put
Speaker 5: on television these days.
Speaker 1: So if you could dump gatorade on one of them,
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. He's like, yeah, just dune on both
Speaker 1: of them. One gets blue, one gets red, and just whoa, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe not.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to add a little sex appeal to.
Speaker 3: The I'm just I'm visualizing Trump's hair.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it would move.
Speaker 1: Oh but man, that that red would just give him
Speaker 1: a little extra rosiness. I'm tired of them referring to
Speaker 1: Kamala as a person of color and not referring to
Speaker 1: him as a person of color.
Speaker 2: Orange is a color touche. Boom tip your waitresses, everybody.
Speaker 3: He's here all week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more to come the wee folks.
Speaker 3: You can be glad, I.
Speaker 2: Know, sliding slowly into the weekend.
Speaker 1: So some twists and turns in the Hunter bidened trial
Speaker 1: and or pre trial or pre pre trial.
Speaker 3: The trial that never was there.
Speaker 1: You go and it was so eloquent the way our
Speaker 1: very own Wayne Resnick, as a twenty eight year veteran
Speaker 1: of the Federal Probation Program Department. He did such a
Speaker 1: great job we thought we'll invite him on. So Wayne,
Speaker 1: how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 4: Thank you, you are too kind. And of course, Marla,
Speaker 4: welcome to the KFI family. I haven't had a chance
Speaker 4: to meet you before. I know, very nice to meet too,
Speaker 4: and you're quite awesome.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, thanks Wayne, I love listening to you, and
Speaker 5: no kidding this morning.
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready.
Speaker 5: And when you broke it down with Bill and you know,
Speaker 5: of course we covered it yesterday with our own reporter
Speaker 5: at Fox eleven who was there for the Hunter Biden thing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You you're just a master. I felt like I was
Speaker 5: in school and you.
Speaker 3: May all make sense. Thank you very much. All right,
Speaker 3: well you want to get into it, let's get into it,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: So you said, Neil, you said like twists and turns
Speaker 4: you referred to, and this has been a case with
Speaker 4: some crazy m Night Chamalan level twists and turn in fact,
Speaker 4: maybe even twisty or because his Chamalan's twisted turns you
Speaker 4: can kind of see coming now and the first one
Speaker 4: was a long time ago, and you'll remember he has
Speaker 4: a gun case. He has the tax case, and a
Speaker 4: long time ago they reached a deal Hunter Biden and
Speaker 4: the special prosecutor to wrap up both of those cases
Speaker 4: in a deal, and a lot of people said the
Speaker 4: deal was too lenient.
Speaker 3: And the judge in the gun.
Speaker 4: Case, who was hearing the whole thing, said, Hey, I've
Speaker 4: got some questions that no judge judge ever really asks.
Speaker 2: But I want to ask him.
Speaker 4: And it has to do with whether or not he
Speaker 4: can be charged in the future with certain other things,
Speaker 4: or whether this plea agreement makes him immune. And there
Speaker 4: was a disagreement between Hunter Biden's team and the prosecutors
Speaker 4: about whether it did make him immune from future tax charges,
Speaker 4: and the whole thing blew up. Now we fast forward
Speaker 4: to just yesterday, they're getting ready for trial. All this
Speaker 4: time in the tax case, Hunter Biden has been saying
Speaker 4: I'm not guilty, We're gonna go to trial.
Speaker 2: They actually have a jury pool.
Speaker 4: And Hunter Biden's team walks into court and says, surprise, everybody,
Speaker 4: I want to plead guilty. Now I have seen plenty
Speaker 4: of people plead guilty at the jury selection stage, because
Speaker 4: what happens is it's all abstract to a defendant until
Speaker 4: you see the faces of the people who may judge you.
Speaker 3: And it is not uncommon at that point.
Speaker 4: For a defendant to say, oh my gosh, I don't
Speaker 4: want to go through this.
Speaker 2: I just want to plead guilty.
Speaker 4: But Hunter Biden's surprise was a little different because he
Speaker 4: wanted to plead guilty under this case called Alfred An
Speaker 4: Alford plea is a plea where you're convicted, but you
Speaker 4: affirmatively maintain that you're.
Speaker 3: Innocent, sort of the best of both worlds. For a defendant.
Speaker 4: It is because it usually allows them to dispose of
Speaker 4: a case. Usually it's because there's some kind of a
Speaker 4: deal with the prosecutors to get a break on sentencing
Speaker 4: or to plead to a lesser charge. And yet, as
Speaker 4: you point out, Marla, the person is able to walk
Speaker 4: around and say, hey, I am innocent. I just took
Speaker 4: this deal because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Want to deal.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go through that. And the prosecutors
Speaker 4: went crazy.
Speaker 5: They did not like this in one bit because they
Speaker 5: have they've been preparing for this day. Jerry selection was
Speaker 5: to start yesterday. All of their hard work sort of
Speaker 5: all for.
Speaker 4: Not yes, And and look, I don't know these this
Speaker 4: particular team of prosecutors, but I've known a lot of prosecutors,
Speaker 4: and I can tell you as a general rule, there
Speaker 4: is a type of prosecutor that if you make them
Speaker 4: prepare for trial, and you get that far into the process,
Speaker 4: and then you deny them the opportunity to show what
Speaker 4: a good boy they were with all of their homework,
Speaker 4: they are this is the legal term, but hurt to
Speaker 4: the extreme. Wow, So they were. They were upset. They
Speaker 4: wanted to Judge Scargy to not allow Hunter Biden to
Speaker 4: even do it. So that was your next big Remember
Speaker 4: you had the kaboom all that time ago when the
Speaker 4: p deal blew up.
Speaker 3: Get a kaboom.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Wayne, Who would have allowed that that Alfred plea?
Speaker 2: Who who with a judge would have to.
Speaker 3: Both sides have to agree, right?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, okay, No, the process com cuter doesn't have the
Speaker 4: legal power to stop it. They can try to persuade
Speaker 4: the judge who could decline to take such a plea,
Speaker 4: but the prosecutor can't actually make it stop. But they
Speaker 4: wanted him to not accept it, or to not even
Speaker 4: allow it. To be pursued and scarzy. The things that
Speaker 4: he said were pretty right on. He said, well, there
Speaker 4: might be a way to do it if he's willing
Speaker 4: to agree to enough facts in the record, even though
Speaker 4: he then says I'm not I don't think I'm guilty.
Speaker 4: That somebody else could look at the facts that he's
Speaker 4: agreed to and say, well, those facts make you guilty,
Speaker 4: then it might be okay. He said, go file something
Speaker 4: and uh, and then I'll read it and then I'll decide.
Speaker 4: And then apparently Hunter Biden doesn't want a trial so
Speaker 4: much that when it looked like there was even a
Speaker 4: possibility he would not be allowed to plead under this
Speaker 4: Alford system, he went in and said, ah, forget it.
Speaker 4: Let's just plead. Let's just plead regular. It's called an
Speaker 4: open plea. He pleads to all nine counts. There's no
Speaker 4: agreement about anything. He cannot expect any kind of leniency
Speaker 4: from the government, he cannot expect any kind of leniency
Speaker 4: from the judge. He will have to take the lumps,
Speaker 4: whatever they are.
Speaker 2: So that strategy is basically, I don't want to go
Speaker 2: to trial.
Speaker 4: That strategy is I don't want to go to trial.
Speaker 4: So bad that I am now willing to plead guilty
Speaker 4: without any hope of any deal and literally throw myself
Speaker 4: at the mercy of the government with their recommendations and
Speaker 4: the judge who was appointed by Donald Trump his decisions
Speaker 4: about what should happen to me.
Speaker 3: And it's because of all the.
Speaker 4: Salacious personal things that would come out at a trial,
Speaker 4: because one of the charges that has to do with
Speaker 4: tax evasion has to do with taking deductions for things
Speaker 4: that were actually non deductible, like and I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to pile on Hunter Biden. I actually feel kind of
Speaker 4: bad for Hunter Biden, and I'll tell you why in
Speaker 4: a second, because there's a fact that hasn't really come
Speaker 4: out that to me looking at it legally changes how
Speaker 4: mad I am at him for not paying his taxes.
Speaker 4: But for one year, the year twenty eighteen, that tax year,
Speaker 4: he took a bunch of deductions, when in fact, he
Speaker 4: spent one hundred thousand and three hundred and thirty dollars
Speaker 4: on adult entertainment and three hundred and eighty three thousand
Speaker 4: plus in payments to various women. And that's right from
Speaker 4: the indictment. So you know, he was a busy fellow
Speaker 4: in ways that he really at this point doesn't want
Speaker 4: to put his family through, doesn't want to embarrass them,
Speaker 4: and probably himself is tired of being embarrassed by these things.
Speaker 4: So that's how badly he didn't want to go to trial,
Speaker 4: whether or not he did feel sincerely that he had
Speaker 4: strong legal case in his defense.
Speaker 2: Now here's the.
Speaker 4: Thing that to me changes the complexion of the case
Speaker 4: a little bit. These problems with his taxes are generally
Speaker 4: confined to the second half of the twenty tens, twenty
Speaker 4: sixteen through twenty twenty, well before that, before the drugs
Speaker 4: in his life went off the rails. This is what
Speaker 4: he did in order to make sure that he did
Speaker 4: pay his taxes properly. He set up a company, the
Speaker 4: sole purpose of which was to collect all of his
Speaker 4: income and make sure that enough taxes were withheld to
Speaker 4: meet any tax burdens. He also had his people set
Speaker 4: up a separate account called the tax account, where money
Speaker 4: was put in case he ended up owing more taxes
Speaker 4: than the withholding would cover. He was hyper diligent for
Speaker 4: a while about taking care of his tax liabilities. And
Speaker 4: that's not me saying it as some way of trying
Speaker 4: to spin things to try to make him look better.
Speaker 4: That's in the indictment as well. That is the prosecutor
Speaker 4: saying that he did those things now and I'll finish
Speaker 4: up with this. They're saying that to prove that he
Speaker 4: knew that he was supposed to file and pay taxes.
Speaker 2: That's their reason for bringing it up.
Speaker 4: But it also shows somebody who did not have a
Speaker 4: criminal mindset his whole adult life about taxes, but rather
Speaker 4: something happened and he became kind of a different person,
Speaker 4: and then he went off the rails. And I have
Speaker 4: no I'm not saying he shouldn't have been charged and
Speaker 4: that he shouldn't be punished.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying he's different than a lot of tax evaders
Speaker 4: that I have seen.
Speaker 5: Okay, two points, Speaking of his upcoming punishment, if he
Speaker 5: were found guilty on all these charges, he would face
Speaker 5: I think up to what seventeen years?
Speaker 4: Well, that's what that's the statutory maximum, which represents the
Speaker 4: absolute most time that a judge can legally give him
Speaker 4: under the federal sentencing guidelines, which is the starting point
Speaker 4: to consider a sentence. He's looking at between two and
Speaker 4: four years under those guidelines, it depends on how much
Speaker 4: more tax loss they could they throw into the case.
Speaker 4: And then the judge has pretty much unfettered discretion to
Speaker 4: impose whatever sentence the judge thinks is most appropriate.
Speaker 3: Okay, so at most two to four years.
Speaker 5: And then of course there is a question on whether
Speaker 5: or not his father would pardon him. Of course the
Speaker 5: White House is saying the Biden administration is saying no.
Speaker 5: They double down on that yesterday. I'm not mistaken saying
Speaker 5: that that wouldn't happen. You brought up a point today
Speaker 5: that that doesn't mean that a madam president wouldn't pardon him.
Speaker 4: Sure, Joe Biden is not going to break that promise
Speaker 4: to not pardon his son.
Speaker 3: But Kamala Harris has not made any statements about whether
Speaker 3: she would or not.
Speaker 4: So I know somebody who really wants to come up
Speaker 4: Harris to be the next president, and his name is
Speaker 4: Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2: Well we shall see.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will go over like a turd and
Speaker 1: a punch bowl if that happens, But we shall see.
Speaker 2: Mister Wayne Resnick, thanks so much. Of course.
Speaker 1: You can hear him now when he jumps on with
Speaker 1: Bill Handle every Monday. Do they have a case at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, and whenever we're lucky to have.
Speaker 3: You, I like to learn from you.
Speaker 4: Wayne.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: So good to meet you.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, talk to you soon, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Wayne Resnick, Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, I'd love for
Speaker 2: you to follow us.
Speaker 1: You can follow find Marla Tayas at Marla Teas on
Speaker 1: Instagram all the socials.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I most like you. I'm most active on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Instagram, so you can find me there
Speaker 2: at four Reporter.
Speaker 1: At four Reporter, I'm going to post a picture for
Speaker 1: Flashback Friday of me with spiked hair because we talked
Speaker 1: about the punk rock stuff.
Speaker 3: You're not going to post the one that I saw.
Speaker 2: What you saw that one too, I've.
Speaker 3: Already forgotten with the spiked hair.
Speaker 2: With the guitar and the that was the first one
Speaker 2: you saw.
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, I'm getting old.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: That was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, tell your face that.
Speaker 1: But I'll post that up there shortly because I was
Speaker 1: talking about being a little punker back in the day.
Speaker 2: This stuff sucks.
Speaker 1: A woman loses nearly one million dollars life savings in
Speaker 1: what they call a pig butcherin scam.
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that phrase.
Speaker 1: It makes sense either, So do you want to describe
Speaker 1: what that is?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: So, just as a farmer fattens up a pig for slaughter,
Speaker 5: in this so called pig butchering scam, the scammer gains
Speaker 5: a victims trust over a long period of time, fattens
Speaker 5: them up, if you will, and then goes in for
Speaker 5: the kill by stealing their life savings.
Speaker 1: So it's low and slow. It's the long game, low
Speaker 1: and slow.
Speaker 3: Like barbecue, barbecue, not brilliing.
Speaker 2: Got it girl? Yep?
Speaker 1: So he says he's working on an oil rig. Something
Speaker 1: broke down. You know, can you send me twenty grand?
Speaker 1: She says, whoa? You know what I need to pray
Speaker 1: about this second time she sent thirty five grand. Then
Speaker 1: two weeks later another thirty five.
Speaker 3: Her husband.
Speaker 5: So that's it has passed away, passed away decades ago,
Speaker 5: and recently this woman out of Illinois, she met a
Speaker 5: man online.
Speaker 1: She had saved one million dollars in investment accounts.
Speaker 3: And her kids had no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had no idea that she had that kind
Speaker 1: of money. And you know, when you're feeling. We all
Speaker 1: want to be loved. You all want to love someone,
Speaker 1: be loved, be connected with somebody. And if she's feeling
Speaker 1: a connection, she may be embarrassed to say these things.
Speaker 2: And you know what's going to come when it involves money.
Speaker 1: What should come is like, no, nah, don't, you're not
Speaker 1: scamming anybody.
Speaker 5: And well, you know, the scammers often prey on those
Speaker 5: who have lost a spouse and would love attention. And
Speaker 5: so the scammer asks or not asks, tells her that
Speaker 5: they love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing you start with that.
Speaker 3: The flowers come and so she's just enamored.
Speaker 1: And then they and this person played on her faith
Speaker 1: as well, saying that, hey, my pastor is sending me
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: Can you match it? Oh my god, ask sir.
Speaker 1: So now you're, you know, implying, hey, my pastor trusts me,
Speaker 1: even though you don't know any of that. And so
Speaker 1: over all that time it reached a million dollars.
Speaker 3: It is so sad.
Speaker 5: She was sending one hundred K, three hundred k, fifty
Speaker 5: thousand at a time, left and right. She's down from
Speaker 5: almost a million dollars. She has four hundred dollars left
Speaker 5: four hundred.
Speaker 1: And so she goes, you know, files reports, the FBI
Speaker 1: and the like, and people and the Secret Service. The
Speaker 1: Secret Service is actually part of the Treasury Department.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people that know that,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of odd.
Speaker 1: But agents told them the bankers should have spotted the
Speaker 1: unusual patterns, and you think they should if you're dumping
Speaker 1: that kind of money, if you're taking that kind of
Speaker 1: money out of your bank. I mean, it's not their
Speaker 1: problem per se, but you think they'd say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: having unusual account activity.
Speaker 5: And they never did. They never asked, why you closing
Speaker 5: this whole account?
Speaker 2: This is what she was left with, four hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: In four hundred bucks, if there's a million dollars in
Speaker 1: an account, you're down to four hundred dollars, you don't
Speaker 1: think they'd say, hey, is everything okay.
Speaker 5: So while the FBI and recovery teams they've had a
Speaker 5: lot of success in the years recovering hundreds of millions
Speaker 5: of dollars for victims, she is not one of them.
Speaker 5: They were unable to recover any of her losses, and
Speaker 5: she lost her home, all of her longtime memories, her
Speaker 5: furniture all gone. As a result, she's literally left with
Speaker 5: nothing four hundred dollars and officials they just simply say
Speaker 5: this to avoid becoming a victim of a scammer.
Speaker 3: Never send money to anyone you meet online. Ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's here's the thing. I'm fascinated by security. There
Speaker 1: was a point in my life where I even wanted
Speaker 1: to go into executive security and things like that. And
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by these types of things and have studying
Speaker 1: them for a long time as to how these things work.
Speaker 1: One particular aspect is social engineering. There is zero technology
Speaker 1: on the planet security wise that can best social engineering.
Speaker 1: Meaning if there is, if you have all the technology
Speaker 1: in the world, but somebody can press a button to
Speaker 1: let you in, you.
Speaker 5: Can get it well. And what's sad is this happens
Speaker 5: face to face too. I remember when my god rest
Speaker 5: his soul. My grandfather was passing and in the hospital
Speaker 5: there's a woman who befriended him and it was sort
Speaker 5: of under our nose and.
Speaker 3: He recovered a pardon me, I'm so sorry about that.
Speaker 5: It was my grandmother who was passing, and so this
Speaker 5: woman prays on my grandfather because he's going to soon
Speaker 5: be a widow and so from that and they're literally
Speaker 5: scouring the hospital halls and he did get scammed out
Speaker 5: of several tens of thousands of dollars to this particular
Speaker 5: woman and we went after her to no avail. And
Speaker 5: it's just the praying on the loss, you know, no
Speaker 5: intention of ever loving this person. And it happens every
Speaker 5: single day. It's it's so yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 5: it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah. It happens online, it happens face to face.
Speaker 1: It's the Yeah, it's and because we have emotions and
Speaker 1: when you're a good person, you're not thinking that people
Speaker 1: are doing you. You would hopefully you'd never think like
Speaker 1: that that could happen because it shouldn't.
Speaker 3: No, it shouldn't.
Speaker 5: But in this country we reward bad behavior. Can I
Speaker 5: just get this off my chest? This reminds me of Anna,
Speaker 5: Anna Delvy, Anna reinventing Anna.
Speaker 3: Did you see that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Ikam aware of it?
Speaker 3: Okay, So she is a con artist.
Speaker 5: She's currently wearing an ankle monitor and dancing with the
Speaker 5: stars just cast her as they're one of their new
Speaker 5: contestants on the.
Speaker 3: Show Marca and there is a lot.
Speaker 5: Of backlash against ABC New ABC and Dancing with the
Speaker 5: Stars for putting this out there. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: Disney and yeah, I just I can't believe they're lifting
Speaker 5: somebody up who was a noted con artist and now
Speaker 5: she's part of Dancing with the Stars with an ankle monitor.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's going to affect her dancing.
Speaker 3: They say it's a nice successory.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's gonna have to dazzle it.
Speaker 3: They're putting the spin on it.
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