WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.080 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bubo. These 2 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.439 guys are your favorites, so like to say subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.199 raid it live star s and me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.239 Grates on us today. 5 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.359 And listening watching Lin always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay, 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.359 Hey Bobes. What's happening? 8 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:34.000 Hey Cliff? How much? How's it going? 9 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:36.840 It's going alright, just be another beautiful day hanging out. 10 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:38.920 Gonna talk to a great guest today about a great 11 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.600 subject I'm kind of excited about. But we should probably 12 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.479 let Darby talk about that. So why don't we just 13 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.960 bring Darby on and we'll start talking. How you doing Derby? 14 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.399 Hi, I'm doing well? 15 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.520 How are you good? All right? Pushing forward? So thank 16 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:52.119 you so much for coming on, and you have such 17 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.640 an exciting project here. But before we get going on that, 18 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.079 I was looking up. I was gonna try to familiarize 19 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.840 myself with your biography. And the nearest I correct me 20 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:04.599 if I'm wrong, but the nearest I can figure is 21 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:07.359 you're kind of You're a librarian of some sort. You're 22 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.719 a research of a variety of subjects, and it seems 23 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.040 like you're a facilitator more than say an instructor or 24 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.799 something like that. Is that is that correct? That a 25 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.319 good way to categorize you. Well, I am an instructor 26 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:24.040 as well. Yeah, I'm on faculty at North Carolina State University. 27 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:29.319 My primary faculty appointment is as a librarian. But as 28 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.680 as you know, Cliff, not not doing the sorts of 29 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:33.680 things that most people think of when you think of 30 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:38.359 a librarian. But also I do teach, and I am 31 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.640 very much involved with research and my work as a librarian, 32 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.560 especially for many many years, my job has been to 33 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:53.040 help put together and support highly interdisciplinary research teams to 34 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.319 tackle really tough questions. So to put together the right 35 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.079 people and to help translate between feel in such a 36 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:07.000 way that people can deal with real world issues that 37 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.039 require expertise that's coming from a number of different areas. 38 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.080 Now that is this is this is your role here 39 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:19.280 needed Because the disciplines don't tend to speak to one another. 40 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:24.639 That is sometimes the case. Experts in different disciplines oftentimes 41 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.879 either don't know how to speak to one another or 42 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:32.080 sometimes don't realize that they're asking questions along similar lines 43 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.240 or about similar subjects in ways where they could be 44 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:40.639 working together and getting further that way. Sometimes they don't 45 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.120 know how to speak one another's language, and so I 46 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:50.520 play this role of matchmaking and translating and facilitating. 47 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.919 For you. You must be kind of familiar with a 48 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.159 huge number of disciplines then to even know what's going 49 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:00.840 on to any of them, realize that there might be 50 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.639 connections that could be made between them. 51 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:08.199 Yeah, very much so. In fact, I'm usually the person 52 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:13.599 in the room who knows the most about everything and 53 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.919 the least about any given subject. 54 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.039 I am also one of those people, which is why 55 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.599 I became an elementary school teacher. I was pretty good 56 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:26.000 at everything, but not really great at anything in your 57 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.039 career path or in your personal life, because obviously these 58 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.159 things intersect on a regular basis for everyone. What led 59 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:37.120 you down the path to sasquatch Well? 60 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:41.039 I had been teaching courses for a number of years, 61 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:46.000 and particularly been teaching courses about how science works. Not 62 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.199 just the sorts of things that say you might have 63 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.520 taught your students in elementary school of how science says 64 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.240 it works, no hypothesis and testing and experimentation, those sorts 65 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:04.759 of things, but also culturally speaking, how science works. What 66 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:10.280 are the economic structures that underlie scientific research. What are 67 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.719 the ways that people communicate with one another, How do 68 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.839 scientists communicate with the general public as well as with 69 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:23.680 one another, with funding agencies, with government, with industry, and 70 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:28.959 how science scientific discoveries are applied in the real world. 71 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.199 So there's a lot that goes into science that oftentimes 72 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:37.680 even scientists are not fully aware of themselves. And so 73 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.040 I've been teaching classes on that for a great many years, 74 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.279 and I came upon this idea that I thought would 75 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:51.160 be really interesting of looking at fringe sciences or people 76 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:57.120 doing scientific work in areas that are oftentimes not considered 77 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:02.199 science that might be might be referred to as pseudoscience 78 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.959 or dismissed in that way, And I thought it would 79 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.480 be very interesting to teach a course and this is 80 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.560 what I started doing that looked at some of these 81 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:18.319 areas and ask these questions of why are these subjects 82 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.800 dismissed by quote unquote mainstream science or the general public. 83 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.040 Are they being dismissed for good reason? What can that 84 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.879 teach us about the ways that we make decisions, the 85 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:37.519 ways that cultural aspects play into our scientific questions and practices. 86 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.720 And so I started engaging with some of these fields, 87 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:49.079 including the field of sasquatch research or sasquatch investigation, and 88 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.279 it was very very interesting to me, and one of 89 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.759 the things that I really wanted to do with my 90 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.079 students was to challenge them to look at the very 91 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:04.240 best evidence in each of these areas, because, as you know, 92 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.879 there are lots of people making lots of claims, and 93 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.319 you can find lots of silly things in any of 94 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:19.480 these fringe or paranormal or edge science fields. You can 95 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.959 find plenty of things to make fun of, but it's 96 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:27.519 much more challenging to deal with the best potential evidence 97 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.480 in these areas and see what it says. Because any 98 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:37.040 potential evidence is actually evidence of something. So the question is, really, 99 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:38.959 let's figure out what it is. 100 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:41.240 Do you have a list of the best evidence that 101 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:42.800 you're going to focus on right now? 102 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.879 Well, you know, I think that there are a number 103 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.759 of areas where there are interesting questions to be asked 104 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:57.639 with regard to potential sasquatch investigation. In my current study, 105 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.000 the one that I'm leading with my colleagues now that 106 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.959 we're talking about today, I really wanted to look at 107 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.639 the physical biological evidence that could potentially yield DNA, and 108 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.040 the reason for that is that DNA is really the 109 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.639 gold standard for the establishment of a species. And that 110 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.319 is of course one of the big questions, or one 111 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:30.279 of the big hypotheses, that the sasquatch phenomenon could potentially 112 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:36.519 be explained at least in large part by a unique 113 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.839 biological species. You don't know unless you look at the evidence, 114 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.120 unless you examine the evidence what it is. And that's 115 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.079 something that I found was that there were people who 116 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.079 were finding hairs, that were people who were finding other 117 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:57.160 sorts of physical samples, and they were asking me, where 118 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:59.959 can I send to have this tested? How do I 119 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.920 how do I go about that? And I really found 120 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.720 that I couldn't find a commercial labor or a university 121 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.480 or any any anywhere really that I could really feel 122 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.079 confident saying, yeah, this is the place to send this 123 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:20.000 if you have a potential unknown And so that's why 124 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:23.920 I got together a team and created that myself with 125 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:24.480 his study. 126 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:30.160 So this is a university sponsored study, Is that correct? Well, 127 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:34.360 it's university sponsored in the sense that most studies are 128 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:40.000 university sponsored. What that means really is that in this case, 129 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:45.320 there are there are four of US faculty colleagues who 130 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.720 have who are collaborating on this, and who have set 131 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.039 the scope and the parameters of the study. And we 132 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:01.120 are all on faculty at NC State University, so it's 133 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.919 university sponsored in that sense. The other thing is is 134 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:09.120 that it is a it is an official study. And 135 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.360 so I've gone through the paperwork. I had to go 136 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:19.360 through what we call Institutional Review Board approval, which is 137 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:23.879 our ethics committee that make sure that when we do 138 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:30.120 any research that we are treating both both humans and 139 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:36.360 animals with respect and care and properly ethically. So you 140 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:38.559 had to fill out probably a mountain of paperwork for 141 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.720 this thing and then somehow still squeeze it back, squeeze 142 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.960 it through rather knowing that this is kind of a 143 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:49.399 sasquatch study, but you couldn't put sasquatch in the forefront, right, 144 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.840 So how did you get around that? You know this 145 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:52.559 is and. 146 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.519 This isn't a sasquatch study, and what we're really interested 147 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.919 in in this case and this is what the name 148 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.879 of the study is. It's a study of allegedly morphologically 149 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:10.799 anomalous physical samples. So what does that mean? Basically, that 150 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:17.039 means this is a study of biological specimens that people 151 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:23.519 have found that they claim have unusual traits or unusual appearances, 152 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.600 or something unusual about them, and that is what we're 153 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:34.360 studying now. This comes from my own hearing and talking 154 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:41.559 with folks, particularly in the Bigfoot community, who have found samples, 155 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:47.519 for example, found hair samples that folks who are actually 156 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:52.240 very good at identifying hair of known species in North 157 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.840 America cannot identify. There are certain properties to these hairs 158 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:04.519 that they reportedly have in common, and yet they don't 159 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:10.000 look like those of known species. That's an interesting question. 160 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:14.440 What are these So these are the types of questions 161 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.360 that we're trying to answer. What are these things? Every 162 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:23.600 physical sample that will be submitted to us is a 163 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:28.080 sample of something we don't know what it is unless 164 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.600 we look at it. Why wouldn't we want to look 165 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.039 at these? 166 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.960 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 167 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:44.200 Bogo will be right back after these messages. So three 168 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.679 to six months doesn't seem like a long time right 169 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.799 in Bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been 170 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.919 looking for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. But 171 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:54.600 when you think about what can happen in three to 172 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.919 six months, Like, what would you do in three to 173 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.039 six months? 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We've had a trickle of offers coming 219 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.679 in thus far, and it's just started to pick up 220 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:19.440 over the last couple of weeks. So at this stage, 221 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.679 as of this recording, I am starting to reach out 222 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.080 to those folks, starting to arrange brief interviews with them. 223 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.759 I have some questions to learn and make sure that 224 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.679 we understand a bit more about the samples and the 225 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.600 circumstances under which they were found, and then at that 226 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.960 point we'll be giving those folks instructions as to how 227 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:49.720 to physically submit the samples that we're prioritizing at this time. 228 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.919 So I imagine that certainly by early September or so, 229 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.639 I imagine we will have the first sam bulls in 230 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.240 hand on campus and in the lab. 231 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.879 So let's think about it from a user perspective first, 232 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.960 and then we'll talk about it from the mechanical side. 233 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:15.320 I guess your side of things. So if someone likes say, 234 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.759 I found sasquatch footprints and they went by a tree, 235 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:21.919 and there were a number of strange hairs on the tree, 236 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.480 and I collected them. Now of course, I'm perhaps slightly 237 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.039 better equipped than your average Joe in the forest. I 238 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.159 would put these underneath the microscope and take a look 239 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:32.600 at them. If I couldn't easily identify them as bear 240 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.399 deer or anything like that, and I wanted to submit them, 241 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.240 what would I do? Well, what you would. 242 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:42.000 Do is you would you would go to the intake 243 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.279 survey form that's online. 244 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.480 Okay, And by the way, we will have that. We 245 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.600 will have that link in the show notes below, so 246 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:49.120 anybody who wants to take a look at it, whether 247 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:50.679 you have samples or not, the link will be in 248 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:51.519 the show notes below. 249 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.600 Thank you very much for that. I appreciate y'all getting 250 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.360 the word out. So the first thing you would do 251 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.360 is fill out well, I mean, the worst thing you 252 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.919 would do, obviously is collect the sample. And folks ask me, hey, 253 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.960 what's the best way to collect the sample? And there 254 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.720 are certainly lots of folks out there who describe good 255 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.879 techniques for sample collection, But the most important things to 256 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.320 do are to try to collect the sample if you can, 257 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:25.120 in a sterile way, so with sterile gloves or sterile instruments. 258 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.399 Most samples, if they're hair or something like that, something 259 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.960 that isn't moist wet, you know, like blood or something, 260 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.320 but hairs. Most of the samples that folks are offering 261 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.200 thus far, it's best to collect those into a paper 262 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:46.720 envelope and stick them in the refrigerator or the freezer. 263 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.320 So that's the best way to store samples. Collect and 264 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.840 store samples. So then you would fill out the online survey, 265 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.799 at which point, like I say, I'll be reaching out 266 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:06.200 to people to then schedule a brief interview by phone 267 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.480 or on the computer or what have you. And at 268 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.799 that point we'll be asking folks, will be identifying, you know, 269 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.640 which samples we want to get in some priority order, 270 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.039 and we'll be testing those. Anyone who submits a sample 271 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.960 in that form can choose whether they want to be 272 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.559 identified publicly identified with their sample or whether they want 273 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:38.359 to be completely anonymous, because some people want to be 274 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.400 identified and some people just want to know what something 275 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.599 is and they don't want anybody to know that they 276 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:48.119 had anything to do with sasquatch. Either one is fine. 277 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:56.160 Under no circumstances will we be disclosing specific locations where 278 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:04.559 samples were acquired. Will be giving general locations, but everybody 279 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:10.400 who submits a sample will receive the results for their sample, 280 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.720 and what sort of timeline would that be. Well, here's 281 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:18.119 the thing, Cliff, real science is not a speedy process. 282 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:25.000 So I'm trying not to promise a specific timeline to 283 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.160 folks other than we'll do it as well. We will 284 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.880 do these things as quickly as we can. But that 285 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:37.400 could depend on a large number of factors. So if 286 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.559 the sample, if the sample that's submitted is something that 287 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.079 we come in, we look at it, we run a 288 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.839 test and oh it pops up. Oh this is a 289 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.000 black bear, and it's very clearly black bear. And you know, 290 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.559 you may get a response in a matter of a 291 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.359 couple of months. If it's a sample that is more 292 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:05.000 degraded that we have were having trouble pulling sequencing information 293 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:10.039 out of, we may be working with it for a while. 294 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.079 It really just depends on so many things that are 295 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.000 beyond our control or the control of the people submitting 296 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.680 these things as to how long it could take. But 297 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:26.319 I do promise you you will receive response, You will 298 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.559 receive a report for your sample. 299 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.640 Yeah, you would have to be extraordinarily careful, of course, 300 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.400 because if you say, for example, it happened a sasquatch 301 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:42.160 hair is submitted, it's in good shape, it passes the 302 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.799 microscopic analysis, and the DNA comes back, is what the 303 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.920 hell is this? Right? Even then it would have to 304 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.400 be tested and retested because a false positive in this 305 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:58.200 particular scenario could sink everything. It could just make the 306 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:01.839 subject and the study just a laughing stock. So you'd 307 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.680 have to be extraordinarily careful and just very very conservative 308 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:09.359 in how you assess the samples. Especially if it seems 309 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.160 that we're onto the right thing for the first time. 310 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:17.279 Well absolutely, and if that is, if that is a 311 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.799 finding of the study, that's one of the reasons that 312 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.920 one of the reasons that I have recruited the team 313 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:29.279 that I have, because these folks are absolutely tremendous and 314 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:34.039 this team is when you receive a report, you're going 315 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.680 to know that that's what it is. If what you said, 316 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.519 If if there is a sasquatch out there to be 317 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:47.799 found and there are samples submitted and we find that, well, uh, 318 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.359 this team is going to you know, very carefully document 319 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.559 that and present that again if that's if that's the finding. 320 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.319 You know, at this stage we haven't looked at any samples. 321 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:06.279 The salient point here is is that we don't know 322 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.400 what the samples that will be receiving are until we 323 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.359 look at them. And that's what makes this really exciting 324 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:19.359 is that there are a lot of rather interesting sounding 325 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.880 samples out there that have not been looked at by 326 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:28.920 a credible scientific team, and so I'm really excited to 327 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:30.839 see what our results are. 328 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.599 So, so there's four of you on the team. Who 329 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:35.640 are there are three people with their credentials. 330 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.599 Yeah, so there are well, there are four of us 331 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:45.279 on the core team, myself and then two geneticist, genomicists, 332 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:53.440 and one microscopist so microscope expert, think of that. And 333 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:58.119 so this is the core team. And this team also 334 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:02.720 has a lot of expertise in forensics and wildlife forensics 335 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.440 as well. So this is the core team. But the 336 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.400 fun thing about this is is I also have a 337 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:17.960 whole host of experts in particular areas who are ready 338 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:23.160 to come on and join us if and when we 339 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:30.480 find an interesting specimen in their area of expertise. And 340 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.680 these are faculty researchers not just from NC State, but 341 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.960 from across the country. So, for example, I have someone 342 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.920 on board who is a physical anthropologist and an expert 343 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:48.359 in all things osteo. So if a bone or tooth 344 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:54.039 sample that is interesting is submitted for this study, she 345 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.960 is ready to jump on board and get involved and 346 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.160 really excited about it. But again, if we don't have 347 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.519 something in her area of expertise, well she's going to 348 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.079 stay in the bigfoot closet for now. 349 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.720 For that genome, for doing the full genome. YEA, you 350 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.839 always hear stuff like last time we talked to Meldery, 351 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.640 we said about four hundred and thirty four hundred and 352 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.440 forty thousand for a full genome sequencing? Is that like, 353 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:23.359 is us go asked about your budget, like how it 354 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.680 got approve that conmerce they give you, and then like, 355 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.359 when you hear those high numbers, is that going to 356 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.640 be cut way out? Since these guys are on faculty staff, 357 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.079 like they're already paid through the university, How does that work? 358 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.640 I'm sorry, But specifically Meldrum said in the six figure range, 359 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.400 and most of that would be for personnel. 360 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.319 Right, and so that is probably pretty reasonable to expect 361 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.480 if you were going to go out and hire and 362 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.519 hire the work done by someone who might know what 363 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:55.319 they're doing. Now, in this case, since we have the 364 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.880 we have the machines, on campus that are availed to us, 365 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:07.319 where we can do nuclear DNA sequencing for those samples 366 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:12.599 that may warrant it. Then you know, we have an 367 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.279 in house price schedule that looks quite a bit different 368 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:20.799 than that, to be honest, and because my colleagues are 369 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:24.480 the ones with the expertise. Not having to hire my 370 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:29.440 colleagues to work on our own study, that actually reduces 371 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.400 the cost dramatically. 372 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.000 How many you'd run, like further with your budget you 373 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.000 have for the year, like, how many samples do you run, 374 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.039 like twenty or fifty or. 375 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:42.960 Well, see, this is the thing. We don't have a 376 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:47.759 set budget for this project. And the reason we don't 377 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.519 is that there are quite a few different needs and 378 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.119 quite a few different goals that this project can potentially 379 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.000 help us to achieve. One of those that's really important 380 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.960 is training of PhD students in genetics. So our PhD 381 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:10.440 students in genetics who work in the labs of my 382 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:14.759 two colleagues who are collaborators, they need to teach these 383 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.519 students anyhow, and they see this as a really interesting 384 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.240 way of having the students work with true unknowns or 385 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.119 with unusual samples, and so this is a great way 386 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.119 for them to be able to train their PhD students, 387 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.000 like I say, which they need to do anyway, Right, 388 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.319 they need to be studying samples of something, So why 389 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:48.640 not the samples that are associated with this study. In addition, 390 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:55.319 the team we've talked about ideas that might help push 391 00:25:55.480 --> 00:26:01.480 forensic understanding forward, So that might help develop new forensic 392 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:06.920 techniques that could be that could be useful again, not 393 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.839 just for this study or for this topic, but could 394 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:14.480 be very useful in the field for all kinds of things. 395 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.039 And so, and these are just a couple of examples. 396 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.960 There are some other things that some other outcomes that 397 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.640 we are imagining from the types of samples that we'll 398 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.880 be looking at. So a lot of the costs of 399 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:35.880 the study are costs that are already being born. Anyhow, 400 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:37.960 if you have to you know, if you have to 401 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.160