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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind podcast.

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Speaker 2: Word from our sponsors. My name is Bill Thomas. I'm

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a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now

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trying to use my experience as the brother of a

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murder victim to help other victims of violent crime. I'm

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working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders.

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Are administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together

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with Kristin Dilly.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kristin Dilly.

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Speaker 3: I'm a writer, a researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate,

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as well as the social media manager and co administrator

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for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner

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in crime, Bill Thomas.

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Speaker 2: We're back here for part two of our conversation with

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retired Virginia State Police Detective Danny Plott. We'll be talking

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about the Colonial Parkway murders and the American detective series

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on the Colonial Parkway Case with Joe Kenda. This conversation

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will probably make more sense if you've listened to part

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one last week here on Mind over Murder. I hope

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you enjoy. What do you think went wrong in the

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Colonial Parkway Murders?

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Speaker 4: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about a case that's still only partially solved

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and it's been thirty eight years. What's your take.

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Speaker 5: I think what went wrong is first, when your sister

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and Rebecca were killed. I think there could have been

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some real good evidence taken from the scene, but the

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park rangers overreacted, even though it was clear from anybody

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with any kind of training that both ladies were deceased.

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A trampled the crime scene. They took the ladies out

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of the car, just all over it. And then I

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forget the time sequence, but from the time they found

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it till the time they finally contacted the FBI was

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hours later.

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Speaker 4: So the FBI was behind the eight ball big time then.

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Speaker 5: And then you turn around with Ragged Island and basically

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the same thing happens. They find that out of way,

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deputy finds the truck. He thinks it's unattended. And I

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know this deputy. I think he's the chief deputy now

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or he was very good police officer, But I'm not

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sure why he would think it was unattended because the

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radio was playing, the keys.

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Speaker 4: Were in it.

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Speaker 5: There's just but anyway, he contacts Newport News. Newport News

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shows up there, and it was the same sort of thing.

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In a way, it gets inventory, it gets touched, it

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gets If I'm right, I think it either they towed

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it and brought it back, or they were getting ready

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to tow it.

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Speaker 4: They did.

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Speaker 2: I think they actually moved the truck the driveway of

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his family home.

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Speaker 5: And then when they finally realized, oh shit. And I've

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worked for a lot of years with a lot of

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great police departments or state police included. You had canines,

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you had personnel, you had a helicopter. How those bodies

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were missed, Bill, I don't know to this day, but

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to have Carl Noblin find those bodies when they were

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out there the whole time. Now, granted robbing her position

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when she was found, she could have drifted a little

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bit in and out with the tide. But David was

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not at He may have been touched slightly at high tide,

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but he was not at the tideline. And so there again,

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crime scene gone, then gone. You get Keith and Cassandra,

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so many things. The park rangers again, they find this car,

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they find.

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Speaker 4: The clothes in it.

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Speaker 5: It's April as cold as you know, what they think,

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the people abandon.

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Speaker 2: It and when skinny dipping.

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Speaker 5: I can't get in their minds, but anyway, the biggest

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thing withay inventory and then they realized, oh shit, maybe

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this is more than we thought, tried to put it

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Speaker 2: What shocking to me, though, Danny, is it's a year

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and a half after Kathy and Becky had been murdered.

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They find they find Keith tay Oslica, and you've.

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Speaker 4: Had two murdered. You had them murdered, then you had Robin.

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Speaker 2: And now this is the third couple and he's missing.

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Why that car was.

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Speaker 4: Placed there by Wilmer?

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Speaker 5: I think are Wilmer's associates because they would not have

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been on that parkway. There were so many things that

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you know, and there's at least one witness that says

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Wilmer's truck was seen in the parking lot that night

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where they were. So again, not only this time, do

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you not have crime scene? Really you don't have bodies

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And then you turn around. Probably the most intact crime

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scene we had was New Kent and they disappeared Labor

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Day weekend nineteen eighty nine and were found the middle

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of October nineteen eighty nine and six day skeletal remained

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so you had two jurisdictions. Ragged Island New Camp were

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Virginia State Police and the Parkway was FBI. And yes,

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we worked together, but it's still the FBI who I

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have the utmost respect for the FBI. There's a lot

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of great things about the FBI, but in my experience,

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they're not the easiest people to work with. Even if

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you're working with them, you usually feel like you're working

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for them.

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Speaker 4: They really they wanted to solve this.

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Speaker 5: I was made a Deputy US Marshal and put on

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a task force for I don't know a year and

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a half probably, and we ran down any leads we could,

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but it just it went cold and we were on

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that task force. Is when you've heard the.

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Speaker 2: Name Bob Meadows many times.

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Speaker 5: He was both agreed, why was Wilmer cleared? What besides

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the polygraph? That must have been it? And the FBI

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has experts in so many fields, and I just to

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this day can't understand why somebody would say with everything else,

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they watched him cleaning out his truck with soap and

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water and bleach.

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Speaker 4: They he was.

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Speaker 5: Cooperative, took the polygraph, But you have the nautical rope

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with Kathleen and Rebecca, you have the knife wounds to

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them with a very sharp knife. Who carries a very

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sharp knife? Waterman, they la seafood, dogged dust.

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Speaker 4: And to just say.

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Speaker 5: And then when we went back a second time and

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said something like let's go see him again or let's

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bring him in here, because brought in a lot of people,

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and they said, no, it's you're going down the wrong road.

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Speaker 2: So what's shocking to me is, Danny, I've spoken to

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the man who gave the polygraph examination to Wilmer, and

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he told me privately, he's not sure why they let

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him go. He told me that he gave him two

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polygraph exams. One he passed and one was inconclusive. He said,

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you know what I'm saying, Bill, is I can't tell

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you whether he was telling the truth or whether he

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was being evasive.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and that's not a perfect sign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he himself admitted that, And he said, I

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don't know why they let him go. Do you have

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any sense of why they never revisited Wilmer, because Wilmer

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checks a lot of boxes when you're looking at.

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Speaker 5: I really don't because it's just there were so many suspects.

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I think I made this statement somewhere everybody was a suspect.

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Nobody was a suspect. You thought that you had a

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line on someone and looking good, looking good. No, And

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I don't know, And I know I've made the Noblin

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family mad by saying that David took off running and

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that's why he got hitting the shoulder. And I'm not

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argue with anybody about that, But I also understand being

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a relative or a brother and hearing that because I

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tell people, if David Noblin had made it to the

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top of that bank, there would be five people alive

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today that are dead. Both, yeah, Keith and Cassandra and David,

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and then Anna, Marie and Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I agree with you, and I don't think you

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ever implied that if David took off running, he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Running because he was afraid. He knew what was.

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Speaker 2: Coming, or maybe it had already happened, and you're not.

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Speaker 4: Going to.

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Speaker 5: He's not running because he's scared when this starts happening.

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I think he probably ran the minute they shot Robin.

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I really think that all the forensics say it was

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an upward shot. He was I'm in that bank and

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he was. You've seen a picture where he's bout his

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body's lying and he was ten fifteen feet from being

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able to grab and maybe get into those woods, and

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they'd have never found him.

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Speaker 2: But I think the family took some offense. I understand it.

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ever implying cowardice. No on his part, and he's also

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scrambling for his life. Rob may have already been dead

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by that point, and who knows what he's already witnessed

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the time that they were under Wilmer's control. I guess

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you could say, yeah, it.

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Speaker 5: Didn't absolutely and no, if I did not imply to

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David was coward what I implied to David.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure all of them at one time or the

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other realized, oh my lord. But I think David was

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in the position whatever happened, he broke away. I think

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Wilmer had help.

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Speaker 5: I tay that he got away and got a run

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and start, and by the angle of the bullet, he

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was climbing that bank when they got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't doubt it. None of us can put

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ourselves completely in that position. All you're reporting on is

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the ballistics, the angle of the two shots, likely a

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shot to the shoulder, and then it's where.

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Speaker 4: David was found.

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Speaker 5: David wasn't found near Robin as such a general area,

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of course, but he was above the tideline, right at

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the base of that clay bank.

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Speaker 2: Knowing what we know, which is still not everything, obviously,

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how do you think Robin and David ended up in

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that location? Were they shot and their bodies thrown in

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the water or do you think they were marched there somehow?

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Speaker 4: I think they were walked down there. Remember all the

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shoes in the car.

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Speaker 5: At that time, Ragged Island was basically a lover's lane hangout.

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but it was in lousy shape. Put it, you had

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to be really careful. And then it wasn't like you

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were walking on beach sand, walking on river sand, which

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is just as many rocks as sand. And I think

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whoever took control of them realized, no shoes, their movement's

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going to.

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Speaker 2: Be restricted, and that's way of establishing control and preventing

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someone from making a run for it. More about this

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than we do. What's the point of marching them down

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the beach or marching them down those gravel paths through

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the marsh towards the beach area. You got two routes

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to get there.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: I think it could be tied somewhere with a boat. Possibly,

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he could have had so much speculation. Wilmer could go

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anywhere in that boat. If you were looking to do

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what he did to Robin and David. He had plenty

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of chances at least before that, because that was always

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full of cars and people wanted a little alone time.

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Speaker 4: How's that for politically correct?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and for whatever reason, he picked Robin and David.

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And again, you have two kids that weren't the only yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,

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thank you sir, and please kids for Keith and Cassandra.

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I think the other six they were just gonna say yes, do.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you want. All eight of them were very smart.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think David and Robin were gonna do

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any silly shit without having no.

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Speaker 2: Choice, having a fight on your hands somebody with a firearm.

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Investigators have told me that Wilmer burned his boat, the

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Denny Wade. It was probably up at his house for

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a number of years. When he got out of the

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waterman business. He chose to burn his wooden hulled working boat,

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I believe in his yard, and the investigators have confirmed

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this to me, Do you think that's an effort to

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hide evidence that may have been aboard the boat.

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Speaker 5: She wouldn't make any sense not to do it. If

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he just wanted you rid of it, why didn't he

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sell it? But if you burn it, they say, And

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where Lizzie Borden killed her parents, Ohio, maybe Massachusetts, Massachusetts,

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there's still you can go in the basement and there's

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still a blood stain from the blood seeping down and

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staying in. They would if it was a wooden boat

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and he had some of those victims on the deck

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way to get rid of hair, body fluid blood, just

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Speaker 2: So you don't think it's much of a stretch to

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say that. Years later, Wilmer realizes he's got potentially a

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treasure trove of evidence sitting right there in his yard.

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Speaker 4: And I've been away from it a while. Did he

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burned his boat long after he passed a polygraph? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think one day he decided, Hey, if

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they started looking at me again, watch the one thing

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that could hang me, and it could be that boat.

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think that's what happened with Keith at Cassandra. Either took

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control of them and took them on the boat or

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killed them and put them on the boat and then

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took them out towards the mouth of the bay and

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just through the body was a nor'easter. He didn't have

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to go far. Throw the bodies in the water and

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they get washed out to sea.

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Speaker 2: Now, the couple who were the dog handlers who were

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brought in searched that area. Their dogs took them to

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the edge of the water. I think that lines up

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with the Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That lines up with his boat was big enough where

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he couldn't have come on shore, but that boat could

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have sat out in the water a little bit and

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just take a little job boat or a little rowboat

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and bring it in.

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Speaker 5: Well, another thing I think with if I remember with

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Kathy and Becky and Keith and Cassandra both it was rainy.

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I know with Keith and Cassandra it rained, and it

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had also rained with Becky and.

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Speaker 4: Kathy, hadn't it. That's correct, Yeah, and that washes away

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a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 5: And I think also if you look at the sequence

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of these murders and what happens, it's almost like the

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person who killed Becky and Kathy were rushed.

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Speaker 4: It was let's push it over the bank. I don't

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know if that'll work.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it didn't work, And then I guess the

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only thing that doesn't make sense is that a waterman

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would pour some diesel fuel all over something to try

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to light it.

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Speaker 4: But when you're in a hurry, you do stupid stuff.

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Speaker 2: Because the diesel fuel, and early on I remember they

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sometimes said kerosene or diesel fuel.

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Speaker 4: Takes a lot of heat to start it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to be able to ignite the match.

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The thing has always thrown me off because who has

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access to diesel fuel but doesn't understand the ignition properties

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of diesel fuel whereas you and I both know and

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I remember being on a camping trip or somebody poured

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gasoline on a smoldering fire. Yeah, watching the fire go

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up the gasoline and into the can, and then of

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course the dumb kid I was with threw the gas

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tank across the woods and the woods went up. It

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was crazy. If it hadn't been so rainy that week

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and we were on a scouting trip, and we should

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not have been using gasoline to get the stubborn fire started.

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That's completely opposite what happens with diesel fuel, where it

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typically will not ignite. Some people have said to me, Bill,

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inside the Honda a very hot newspaper torch and perhaps

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with closed windows that might have been able to elevate

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the temperature of the diesel fuel to the point where

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you might have gotten a smoky fire started. But they said,

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typically it's not going to light no matter what you do.

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Speaker 4: And there's so many questions. What the first one is

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where were Kathy and Becky killed? They weren't killed in

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a car, No, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And at least by the time the FBI got there,

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which was several hours later.

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Speaker 4: The human body has a lot of blood. Yeah, where'd

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all that blood go?

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Speaker 5: It did not appear that it was anywhere near the car,

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and it wasn't in the car.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I have a personal theory that Kathy and Becky were

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attacked at the Ringfield Plantation picnic area, which was much

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more isolated from the Parkway. I think they were killed

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there and then the car was moved. But again, now

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we're back to something that has always bothered me, Danny,

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as you can tell, which is, how is if this

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is Wilmer or any offender, how are they moving two

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vehicles at once.

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Speaker 4: They've got to have help, got to have help.

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Speaker 2: One thing that's really disturbing, and it starts to take

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on the sound of a slasher film, is Wilmer using

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his boat to get close to these places and then

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like you say, using a rubber raft or a little

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dingy or whatever to come in to the shore and

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then attacking couples. But he's actually coming by sea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I still think that with at least six of those

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eight kids, they're not going to be docile. Especially it's clear,

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at least it's clear to me that it's not like

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Robin and David were shot simultaneously. Any of those kids

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once you unless you separate them, and if you separate them,

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you got to have more than one person. And if

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you only have one person, once you attack or kill one,

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the other one's going to fight any human will for.

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Speaker 4: The most part, and there was never.

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Speaker 5: Any indication of skin under the nails are bruising on

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the hands where they were fighting. So I just think,

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and that's why I hope this show we're talking about,

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the Parkway Murder show on idd Discovery goes out to

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a wider audience where somebody remembers something.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and I know the FBI and the Virginia

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State Police don't like this kind of media coverage, but

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from my perspective as the brother of a murder victim,

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I find that whenever we've done a show like this,

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people come out of the woodwork and somebody may know something,

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which is why I want to urge people to listen

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to Mind Over Murder, Talk to your friend, to ask

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people about it, particularly anybody that was around back then

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if they have any insight to offer, because I still

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think there are living people that know more about this case.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure there are two.

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Speaker 5: They're probably up there, probably as they say, long in

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the tooth, but they're still around.

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Speaker 2: No question about it. How do you feel overall about

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the show. I know you mentioned earlier that you make

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points while they're interviewing you, and they interview you they

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did for me, truly for hours, but they only end

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up using a few minutes of the conversation. Are there

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things that you wish that had been included your observations?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because at the end of that show, from what

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they aired, I'm saying, and Joe is too.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Joe could give a shit what the

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FBI thought of him, and I don't either.

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Speaker 5: But I don't like the fact that they think I'm

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blaming everything.

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Speaker 4: On the FBI because I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I sayd during my interview that there were almost every

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department that worked that in some form or fashion made

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a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Some of them were terrible.

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Speaker 5: But the bottom line is the two on the Parkway,

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through lack of training or lack of knowledge or maybe

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I'm not going to say they didn't give a shit,

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the park Rangers ruined both crime scenes and the FBI.

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One of the things they do a lot of things well,

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and I don't want to get on this.

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Speaker 4: Let's kick the FBI. They kicked themselves.

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Speaker 5: These days, they have excellent crime scene people and they

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might could have come out there and found something that

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got washed away or got picked up or got taken

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off on somebody's shoe, but we'll never know because people

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didn't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: And what really bothers me is it was bad.

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Speaker 5: All of them were bad. Kathy and Rebecca was bad.

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But then you have Keith and Cassandra same parkway and

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it's an unintended vehicle. They went skinny dipping in April.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it never made any sense to.

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Speaker 5: Me now, and I wish, you know, I wish they

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have played that more. And say, I watched myself and

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I'm my own worst critic.

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Speaker 4: I think we all are.

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Speaker 5: I watched myself being interviewed and they asked me this question.

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I'm saying, Okay, I'm going to say this and this,

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and I only say this and this, and then I say, hey,

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that makes it sound like this, But it's television. It's television,

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and hey, you reach a huge audience. And I think

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it tells the story. It tells the story of eight

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young people's lives were snatched through no fault of their own,

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and the family and friends and law enforcement for thirty

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something years wanting to know something, and hey, at least

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we know who, And it gives the fair family some

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closure to a certain extent, especially the Noblin and Edward's families.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know you rightfully. You speak with other

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family members all the time.

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Speaker 5: I think during the whole time I was working the

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task force, we spoke to the families twice, and neither

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time were all of them there. If and I'm like,

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you have a much more potent invested interest. I just

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can't believe that there's not something that can tie Wilmer

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to these other three. The FBI down here, and I

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can't find it. I don't know if you ever found it.

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They put an article out in the paper during last summer,

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maybe basically saying, if I remember right, they were ninety

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something percent sure that Wilmer had murdered Becky and Kathleen.

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And I want to say, really, what gave you that idea?

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But that it was in the paper and then it

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was gone.

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Speaker 2: I don't recall seeing that. And from my perspective, the

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FBI in the Virginia State Police's work is not done,

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because I think there's a lot more work to be No, there's.

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Speaker 5: Three of them that you can speculate in all in

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his speculation, and I'll tell you, and I've told you already.

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Speaker 4: I believe he did them all. But it doesn't really

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matter what I believe.

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Speaker 5: There needs to be something that ties him, possibly to

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the other three, and gives a family some closure.

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Speaker 4: Will never.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we would know what happened to Keith and Cassandra,

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but we'll probably never know, but at least maybe we

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would know that it was him and his associates. And

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I'm like you, I just I don't think the logistics

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work out without some.

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Speaker 4: Kind of help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've felt that for years, and I still feel

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that even more strongly. And there's a few things I

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can talk to you about off the air that make

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me increasingly convinced that woman has accomplices. Sure, so this

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show will also be running, as we understand it, on

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HBO Max in the month of May.

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Speaker 5: Yes, my understanding it will be it will go on Max,

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which is I don't get it, although I think I'm

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going to have to get it. Not because of that.

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I did this terrible. I'll admit this on your nationwide

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radio program, Bill. I have never seen the last season

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of the Sopranos, and.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's good.

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Speaker 5: Somebody says it's good up to the last show, and

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what's a shame is that James Gandolfini died before because

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they had to come back and at least done a movie.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, But yeah, so I'm going to get it.

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Speaker 5: And that's my really hope because I know there's a

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lot of show we call them crime junkies that are

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I meet people all the time when they find out

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I had some kind of tie to the Parkway murders.

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Speaker 4: Oh watch that all the time.

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Speaker 5: I watched nothing but I Deed Discovery and all these

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crime shows. And I want to say, you poor things,

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you poor thing, but I'm like you, I hope it'll

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stir some interest.

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Speaker 2: We can't thank you enough, first of all for doing

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the show and also coming on to Mind of a

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Murder to talk with us.

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Speaker 5: I tell people Bill that anybody that really irritates the

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dog shit out of the FBI is my friend, and

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I give my hard time. But I had some real

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good friends who were FBI agents, And my take on

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the FBI is number one. They are the foremost law

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enforcement agency in the country, I believe. But it's not

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just because it's not because just their personnel, because they're

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like any other large police department. They have people that

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are excellent that are fantastic at their jobs. Then they

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have some that go out every day and do the

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best they can. And then they have some that are

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collecting a paychecking. That's probably business in general, but I

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know it's law enforcement. What the FBI does have is

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that none of us had, is they have the pocket book,

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and they have the toys and the labs and the

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experts like behavioral science. They just have a big bag

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of Oh, what do you need us to do?

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Speaker 4: We can do it.

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Speaker 5: And I hope they can put their heads together and

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tie these other three murders to them somehow.

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Speaker 2: Agreed. What's that old expression you taught me.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna get this on tape two, aren't you, Bill?

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The FBI motto?

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Speaker 2: You mean, yes, indeed.

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Speaker 5: We'll solve no crime till it's time. But if we

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solve the crime, we can expect you at the press conference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Let me hope that God's not an FBI fan. I

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may be in.

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Speaker 2: Trouble, Danny as usual. It's great talking with you, and

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we look forward to having future coming.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed it, Bill, and please let me know if

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I can do anything.

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Speaker 4: How are you all in the future?

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Speaker 2: Thank you and thanks to everybody for listening. Kristen will

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be back next week. We appreciate your time, attention, and

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support for Mindover Murder. That's it for this episode. We'll

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see you again next time.

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