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Speaker 3: let's get to our special guest. His name is Brian.
Speaker 3: He is joining us from the great state of Arizona. Brian,
Speaker 3: how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 5: I'm doing great, George, how are you.
Speaker 3: Doing doing wonderful? Obviously, we're recording this on Tuesday night,
Speaker 3: October the eighth, so you know, before we pressed record,
Speaker 3: we were talking a little bit about, you know, what's
Speaker 3: going on with the hurricane. Obviously we'll have a little
Speaker 3: more clarity when this actually goes live on Sunday. So
Speaker 3: if people are wondering why we're not addressing it, well,
Speaker 3: it's because we're recording it before it even happens. So Brian,
Speaker 3: please do take some time and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 5: Great George before I go into my introduction. I just
Speaker 5: want to give you, George some you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of accolades. You're you're the one that I You're my
Speaker 5: go to guy. And you know, if any one of
Speaker 5: you out there are listening to this podcast for the
Speaker 5: first time, or you have only listened to this podcast,
Speaker 5: also go into George's other the Fact Hunner. It's a
Speaker 5: it's a wealth of knowledge and I've been loving it
Speaker 5: the last year and a half two years.
Speaker 3: Thanks for that, Brian, and I just want to inject
Speaker 3: one more thing. If you are just tuning into this podcast,
Speaker 3: after you're done listening to this, please do go back
Speaker 3: to the first episode. I think it's important, especially if
Speaker 3: you're new to Flat Earth. Why the Lie and then
Speaker 3: work your way forward.
Speaker 5: Great, Okay, so my introduction. I'm sixty sixty four years old.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be sixty five in a month, and
Speaker 5: I've been a Christian since around nine years of age.
Speaker 5: I'm married to a wonderful woman. She's just really really great,
Speaker 5: beautiful and wonderful for thirty one years and we're still
Speaker 5: going strong, just like we got married last year. And
Speaker 5: I have three sisters and one brother. One of my
Speaker 5: sisters passed from cancer nineteen ninety five. My parents, my dad,
Speaker 5: he's was a World War Two veteran, and he passed
Speaker 5: twenty eleven July fourth, twenty eleven, and my mom will
Speaker 5: be ninety four in January, so I'm still mom with us,
Speaker 5: which is great. And we grew up in southern California.
Speaker 5: Your wife and I met in southern California and got
Speaker 5: married there. After getting married and after I got my
Speaker 5: engineering degree, we decided to move to the Northwest and
Speaker 5: we land ended up in Portland, Oregon for most of
Speaker 5: the time up there up until around twenty seventeen, then
Speaker 5: came back here to Phoenix to help parents out. When
Speaker 5: I was in high school, several times I was tested
Speaker 5: as to be a test had my IQ tested, and
Speaker 5: they wanted to test to see if I was a genius.
Speaker 5: My dad, of course, he was a genius. As I
Speaker 5: would say, dozens, maybe even hundreds of people attested to
Speaker 5: people who really, you know, a lot smarter than I am,
Speaker 5: went and said, your dad's the smartest guy I've ever
Speaker 5: talked to in my lifetime. So he had a photographic mind.
Speaker 5: I don't. But anyways, in school, they kept on determining
Speaker 5: over and over, they said, you're just below genius. So
Speaker 5: my wife and I have this little inside joke when
Speaker 5: we're talking to people and people sort of you know,
Speaker 5: debating me a little bit on things and anything. She
Speaker 5: just looks at me and smiles and just says, JB
Speaker 5: G for just below genius. Little inside oka. Anyways, I've
Speaker 5: worked for twenty years in the grocery business, mostly produced,
Speaker 5: some produce management. I got my bachelor's degree in telecommunications
Speaker 5: engineering when I was forty years of age, and I
Speaker 5: want to mention I graduated at the top of my class.
Speaker 5: I'm not close to the top. I was the top
Speaker 5: person in when I graduated, And I just wanted to
Speaker 5: mention that because a lot of people say that people
Speaker 5: aren't too bright in this in this community. You see
Speaker 5: a lot of this online and and I wanted I
Speaker 5: want to attest it not only myself, but other people
Speaker 5: friends that I have, that that are that are much
Speaker 5: more than I am, that are involved in this movement too.
Speaker 5: They're they're they're they're seeing the truth for what it is.
Speaker 5: So anyways, I worked after game my bachelor degree.
Speaker 1: We moved.
Speaker 5: When we moved to the Northwest, I've worked seventeen years
Speaker 5: in the wireless industry, and hopefully George, we can get
Speaker 5: a little bit of time to to talk about that
Speaker 5: wireless industry and I can you know, expand on a
Speaker 5: little bit because I hear a lot of partial truths
Speaker 5: in that from people. And I don't think there's a
Speaker 5: much fear from the wireless industry itself that we need
Speaker 5: to worry about. It's more the other other other side,
Speaker 5: the other players that are tapping into that that technology.
Speaker 5: I worked five years as an as an art of engineer,
Speaker 5: which is radio frequency engineer, and twelve years as a
Speaker 5: field engineer. And just so people know too, I've been
Speaker 5: I've been doing this a lot of research for for years.
Speaker 5: My dad started me when I was a teenager and
Speaker 5: used to go to to libraries. A lot of people
Speaker 5: don't probably aren't wear this, but you know, you go libraries,
Speaker 5: you get you know, books, encyclopedias and magazines and newspapers.
Speaker 5: There's that microfish that used to get to the motions
Speaker 5: so you could get new get you know, you could
Speaker 5: look up newspapers and newspaper events. Yes, so my dad,
Speaker 5: my dad always tried to keep me to to the
Speaker 5: back pages or whatever was on the back pages of
Speaker 5: almost all the sections. He says, there you'll find the
Speaker 5: most truthful uh bis of information. So he says, skip,
Speaker 5: skip the rest and go to the back. And that's
Speaker 5: what I would do. And it's amazing all the things
Speaker 5: that they they've been telling us for years that have
Speaker 5: been going on, including even experimentation on people MK ultra,
Speaker 5: all that has been in these they've been telling us
Speaker 5: about it. So I've been at this for a long time.
Speaker 5: I've been retired since since I was fifty seven years
Speaker 5: of age, so that was around that twenty seventeen period
Speaker 5: of time. And I've been doing a complete remodel. I
Speaker 5: learned that from my dad too. He knew construction before
Speaker 5: he had done his other bit of his business, and
Speaker 5: so I've learned all aspects of building from the ground up.
Speaker 5: And so I've been a complete remodel of our inside
Speaker 5: and out. And I'm still working on just odds and ends.
Speaker 5: Right now. I've written I'm on my third book. I've
Speaker 5: written two books. One was back when I was in
Speaker 5: the grocery business, and it's called picking Pizazi Produce. You
Speaker 5: won't find it anywhere. It's just something copied and self
Speaker 5: published and gave out to a lot of friends and
Speaker 5: family way back. I have a second one called Three
Speaker 5: three Lines and a Zebra, it self published. It's on Amazon.
Speaker 5: I have currently writing a third book right now. It's
Speaker 5: called A Man Without a Home. And for people who
Speaker 5: don't know anything about writing, I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people that try writing books, and I believe it's
Speaker 5: only that you might want to correct me if I'm
Speaker 5: wrong Church, but I think it's like three point five
Speaker 5: percent of people who actually start completed book. So it's
Speaker 5: about wrong percentage.
Speaker 3: Is it's tough because most people go into it with
Speaker 3: an idea and they get frustrated and they hit a block,
Speaker 3: and it's very easy to just put aside and say,
Speaker 3: you know, let me do something to get the creative
Speaker 3: juices flow and I'll get back to it. And it's
Speaker 3: been something that's been I've been dealing with personally for
Speaker 3: two years. I keep saying I'm almost done, and then
Speaker 3: you make one edit. You know, people don't realize if
Speaker 3: you're three hundred pages into a book, you make one edit.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that has a ripple effect. You have to go
Speaker 3: back and make other make other edits to it.
Speaker 5: It It does and and and the thing that I've
Speaker 5: learned too, because I get a lot of I sort
Speaker 5: of write along that ludlum clancy type style. Uh. And
Speaker 5: I like Stephen King. I like his the way he
Speaker 5: brings stories together. I don't necessarily agree with all of
Speaker 5: his content, you know, being a Christian, it's a lot
Speaker 5: of it goes against what I personally believe. But his
Speaker 5: writing style is really really great, the way he brings
Speaker 5: characters together. And I keep a character character pages. Uh
Speaker 5: And I sometimes I can let that book out the
Speaker 5: three lines in a zebra I've got oh gosh, I
Speaker 5: probably have ten pages on just characters. So it's it's
Speaker 5: like it's like trying to keep track of of a
Speaker 5: small family when you're when in the middle of writing
Speaker 5: a book. And and like you said, there there is
Speaker 5: a lot of ripple effects, trying to keep it so
Speaker 5: that it's the story is true to itself without without
Speaker 5: having any deviations or anything that's incorrect within the book itself.
Speaker 5: One last thing for you know, I do when you live.
Speaker 5: When you live as long as I have, you have
Speaker 5: a lot of interest. So I'd love tennis, golf, photography, hiking,
Speaker 5: four willing woodworking, uh, exercise. I stay in pretty good,
Speaker 5: pretty good shape, only take an occasional asproen and my age.
Speaker 5: So I try to do all of that. So so
Speaker 5: that's that's pretty much it with my intro. George, I, oh,
Speaker 5: you know what, I did have one other thing to
Speaker 5: mention with the intro, and that's something that I wrote
Speaker 5: about before that sort of made it real difficult in
Speaker 5: coming to flat Earth. My best friend growing up Scott,
Speaker 5: his his hisun his great his distant uncle. It was
Speaker 5: great uncle is Neil Armstrong, really yes, And so I
Speaker 5: would go work virtually every week when i'd go over,
Speaker 5: he'd have another something NASA in his in his room.
Speaker 5: His dad was a uh he worked for North American
Speaker 5: rock Well and was he would he was the lead
Speaker 5: rocket engineering uh for for North American rock Well. So
Speaker 5: between the two of them I had he had. You know,
Speaker 5: it filled my head too with all this, like you know,
Speaker 5: NASA is real, going to the Moon's roal, all this,
Speaker 5: and it was it was a very big, big, big
Speaker 5: big ball so to speak to to to sort of
Speaker 5: let go of and uh, you know coming over into
Speaker 5: the flatter So but yeah, it was amazing. I mean
Speaker 5: he had he had pictures, he had the latest models
Speaker 5: of whatever they're working on. He had all there. He
Speaker 5: had dozens of photos that were signed by all the
Speaker 5: different astronauts during the time Neil was there, all up
Speaker 5: over his wall. So you know, it's really hard to
Speaker 5: it was a hard thing to let go at.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, and even subconsciously, I think people do kind
Speaker 3: of realize how life changing it can be. So it's
Speaker 3: it's easier to ridicule and mock than it is to,
Speaker 3: you know, take take the red pill. As they say,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what they talk about. Pardon me. If
Speaker 3: you could have a conversation and outside the obvious answers
Speaker 3: family members, you know, Jesus, if that was possible that
Speaker 3: we say, who could you have a conversation with? You know,
Speaker 3: I will tell you that, how interesting would it be
Speaker 3: if you were able to sit down with Neil Armstrong,
Speaker 3: let's say, nineteen ninety five, ninety six, doors closed, no CIA,
Speaker 3: no ear peer, no ear pieces, and just to be
Speaker 3: able to get honest conversation from him. Because I know
Speaker 3: I've mentioned this before, but going back in hindsight, being
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, you can see the weight of the world, literally,
Speaker 3: the weight of the world on his shoulders during those interviews.
Speaker 5: Can't oh sure, and all that was true about you know,
Speaker 5: his his his heavy drinking and stuff like that, and
Speaker 5: and and you know, the handful of times that I
Speaker 5: knew that he came to visit Scott with his with
Speaker 5: Scott's dad, I would usually be over there, but I
Speaker 5: know that his mom sort of dismissed us and let
Speaker 5: us had us, had the kids from the neighborhood leave
Speaker 5: before instead of you know, you would think that he
Speaker 5: would say encourage or say, you know, hey, hey, what
Speaker 5: one of the group of kids come around and I'll
Speaker 5: do you know, sign photographs and this and the other.
Speaker 5: None of that. We had to leave. It was like
Speaker 5: about a half an hour before their time of arrival.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is interesting.
Speaker 5: So so it sort of tells you little something that
Speaker 5: there's something something going on there, because you you know,
Speaker 5: when I look back on that, I go and think, gosh,
Speaker 5: if I was in his shoes, I would have told Scott, hey,
Speaker 5: why don't you invite you know, invite twenty thirty of
Speaker 5: your friends from that from your neighborhood, and I'll do
Speaker 5: a little presentation and sign sign things for them.
Speaker 3: I do want to move forward with this line of questioning,
Speaker 3: but I better ask two questions before we get too
Speaker 3: much further. As going back to your intro, you said
Speaker 3: you've been married for did you say thirty six years?
Speaker 5: Thirty one?
Speaker 3: Thirty one years? So how is your wife? Basically the
Speaker 3: same line of thinking as far as these conspiracies quote unquote, No,
Speaker 3: she isn't.
Speaker 5: And that's you know. She she and her best friend
Speaker 5: they sort of like to stay in their mode to
Speaker 5: to get along with everyone. And she, my wife knows
Speaker 5: how I am. She gives me a whole lot of
Speaker 5: a lot of leeway. But uh, but now she she
Speaker 5: I think she knows because she's heard me talk to
Speaker 5: several people about about things, and she knows about my
Speaker 5: background or that you know, I have a you know
Speaker 5: that I'm that I'm not a not a toll moron.
Speaker 5: That that she she she trusts what what I'm what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, And I can see her looking at me,
Speaker 5: and I'll give these real good examples of a couple.
Speaker 5: I'd like to actually give a couple, a couple of
Speaker 5: simple examples that I haven't heard people talk about that
Speaker 5: maybe can help others that are on the fence. But
Speaker 5: she she's she looks at me and she says, you
Speaker 5: know what, I really trust what you're doing. But she
Speaker 5: seemed to be more accepting of me when I was
Speaker 5: in that realm of going through you know, like with
Speaker 5: George George Norry coast, the coast, uh big you know,
Speaker 5: big bigfoot my sauses. I accepted that realm. It was
Speaker 5: so much easier for her, for she except, and much
Speaker 5: easier for my siblings to talk to me as opposed
Speaker 5: to flat Earth. And then and then some of the
Speaker 5: other things that I've been getting into with all this
Speaker 5: all our tainted history, which I'd like to get into
Speaker 5: down down the road too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So interesting. And you had mentioned that
Speaker 3: you were in Portland for quite some time you moved
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. What were your thoughts during the summer
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty as you witnessed the events going in
Speaker 3: the city you once lived in for so long.
Speaker 5: Well, especially because you and I when I was there.
Speaker 5: One of my positions were my largest position as a
Speaker 5: field engineer, or the market that I had. I had
Speaker 5: different markets on the west, I had some out of
Speaker 5: the coast at sometimes, but my largest one was downtown.
Speaker 5: They kept me downtown because I did real well stat wise,
Speaker 5: and they liked the way I improved that that part
Speaker 5: of the market. So I was I was almost stuck
Speaker 5: there because you know, when you do well, bosses like
Speaker 5: to keep you in a certain position. And so the
Speaker 5: driving down there was really a lot of things have
Speaker 5: been changing even before that, you know, all that COVID
Speaker 5: stuff that went on, which which was horrible. People used
Speaker 5: to think of going downtown Portland as you know, they
Speaker 5: go down People would go down there with their with
Speaker 5: their kids, with their little kids. It was always very
Speaker 5: family oriented. There was always a lot of parking well
Speaker 5: in the in the In about twenty fourteen twenty fifteen,
Speaker 5: they started changing everything downtown to make it very difficult
Speaker 5: for people to even go down there. They would put
Speaker 5: it was like one one lane for the cars. You
Speaker 5: know some of the roads have three four lanes, one
Speaker 5: lane for the cars, one for buses, and then the
Speaker 5: other two would be for like bikes. They so they
Speaker 5: eliminated the vehicle traffic. And it's this whole thing that
Speaker 5: they're trying to get people to take public transportation. They
Speaker 5: don't improve the roadways, the freeways, and those are a
Speaker 5: lot of the reasons why we thought we'd leave, in
Speaker 5: addition to helping our helping, you know, our elderly parents
Speaker 5: here in Arizona. But it was starting to get to
Speaker 5: a point where it was very difficult to was it
Speaker 5: was difficult to continue down down that road there in Portland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's sad to hear because I know a
Speaker 3: lot of people who grew up there in the seventies,
Speaker 3: and we used to be considered like the jewel city,
Speaker 3: what's called the Rose City of the entire West Coast.
Speaker 3: It was just a gem. And it's really sad to
Speaker 3: see once great city deteriorate so quickly.
Speaker 5: Mm. Yeah. And from friends that still live up there,
Speaker 5: they said that they don't they just don't go. They
Speaker 5: avoid downtown as much as possible now, which is opposite
Speaker 5: of how it used to be. You never used to
Speaker 5: think about it before you go down there. They'd have big,
Speaker 5: big festivals and celebrations, and you have that Saturday Market
Speaker 5: which is Saturday and Sunday, things like that that people
Speaker 5: just went to, I mean, just the majority of the
Speaker 5: people on the outskirts. And it's sort of sad that
Speaker 5: people have to think about going to downtown. And I
Speaker 5: know Seattle's got that same way too from friends that
Speaker 5: I have living up there too, same exact thing too.
Speaker 5: It just spoiled a lot of things after that, the alls,
Speaker 5: riots and protesting, tearing down statues.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's tough. That's tough for sure. Your
Speaker 3: road to the journey. First question, at what point in
Speaker 3: your life did you start to realize what you were
Speaker 3: told and what you see are two different things.
Speaker 5: Well, my dad had me doing that when I was
Speaker 5: a teenager, when I do all that research, and when
Speaker 5: I was probably probably junior high high school, I was
Speaker 5: doing all that research and he he, he literally told
Speaker 5: me there were there were two worlds. He told me
Speaker 5: about about about the the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the I.
Speaker 5: I M, f uh, you can't can't can't trust the Fed.
Speaker 5: The Fed's not uh you know fed, federalis there is
Speaker 5: not this, It is not not government the irsh and
Speaker 5: be taxing us all these things. He told me that
Speaker 5: way back, you know, sixties and seventies, and so he was,
Speaker 5: he was, he was way ahead of his time, had
Speaker 5: me had me looking and he and he and he
Speaker 5: always said that he said, he said, there's two worlds.
Speaker 5: There's one one world that the majority of people see
Speaker 5: that is presented to him through the media and propaganda,
Speaker 5: and the other world that is that is actually actually
Speaker 5: going on behind the scenes, that is controlled by by
Speaker 5: people of money. And he mentioned that the Rockefellers and Bankers.
Speaker 5: It was he always mentioned Rockefellers and Morgan's they're controlling
Speaker 5: behind the sands.
Speaker 3: That that's great. So that leads me to think, and
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have this answer, but do you
Speaker 3: think he came because back then he didn't have the internet.
Speaker 3: Obviously there were books, but those kind of books like
Speaker 3: Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse, they were hard to find.
Speaker 3: They weren't putting out in front of the bookstores. You
Speaker 3: had to go back and find them. How do you
Speaker 3: think he came on that knowledge? Do you think it
Speaker 3: was through what he saw in the military or was
Speaker 3: it something after that?
Speaker 5: Well, okay, give me give me a little bit of
Speaker 5: his background, which which is what you're asking he okay,
Speaker 5: before he went in the military, he went in and
Speaker 5: he he he did construction. That's where he learned construction. Afterwards,
Speaker 5: when when he when he was in the military, he
Speaker 5: h he was in there all four years. He was
Speaker 5: front lines. He was he was working. Uh he worked
Speaker 5: those you know that big big artillery, those big guns
Speaker 5: where you have to uh plug, plug your ears, jump,
Speaker 5: you know, so you don't break your knees and open
Speaker 5: your mouth so your teeth don't fall out. So he
Speaker 5: had he did that. He wired communications, so he had
Speaker 5: uh he was he was up on polls, wiring for
Speaker 5: communications being shot at. And every person that he went
Speaker 5: into the service with died. So he he get he
Speaker 5: got promotions. He saw a lot of death.
Speaker 1: He uh.
Speaker 5: So, so coming out of that, he was he had
Speaker 5: all this animosity and uh, you know what you know
Speaker 5: that things aren't what you with what they appear. He
Speaker 5: looked into a lot of things, you know, with Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 5: he knew that they knew about Pearl Harvard before and
Speaker 5: use that to to to get into the war.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I think the thing that he did is he
Speaker 5: back then he searched for books, search for books either
Speaker 5: in library or would or he would have to talk
Speaker 5: talking to some of his his friends, a lot of
Speaker 5: his very intelligent friends. They would trade books, you know,
Speaker 5: and a lot more than these church going uh guys
Speaker 5: who had their their degrees or you know, doctorates and degrees,
Speaker 5: and and did a lot of research. And he would
Speaker 5: get these recommendations and books to either borrow or or
Speaker 5: to purchase. So so that's so that's the kind of
Speaker 5: stuff that he that he that he did in you know,
Speaker 5: to help him learn about all this.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. God bless them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Could could I also go on just just two
Speaker 5: more things about that, you know, because I because I
Speaker 5: I could probably write a book about him. You know,
Speaker 5: he he not only did have that photograph of memory,
Speaker 5: and he would he he was the eldest of twenty
Speaker 5: one kids.
Speaker 3: My goodness, they my my grandmother.
Speaker 5: There were fifty six kids that that died before they
Speaker 5: were They were five to a set of twins. There
Speaker 5: there are fifteen of them that lived to be an adult.
Speaker 5: One of my uncles, my uncle Emanuel, died in Vietnam.
Speaker 5: He died in Vietnam one week before he was he
Speaker 5: was supposed to return and just one of those things
Speaker 5: that happens, and they got ambushed and uh and killed
Speaker 5: everyone in his infantry. And then and then when my
Speaker 5: when my when my father was in the service, he
Speaker 5: he he used he used his I guess you know,
Speaker 5: his his ability to to see and memorize, to play cards.
Speaker 5: He was really well good cards. He he always beat
Speaker 5: all of us in cards, even until until the day
Speaker 5: he died. But he he would, he he would. He
Speaker 5: would earn money on the side to do that. He
Speaker 5: sent his check back winter percent of the time when
Speaker 5: he was in the service to my grandmother to help
Speaker 5: out with the other other kids, food and food and such,
Speaker 5: food and clothes and such. And when he got home,
Speaker 5: my grandmother had saved up just a little bit from
Speaker 5: each check and he had enough money to go buy
Speaker 5: a car brand new. So he bought a car brand new.
Speaker 5: He a brand new car. What it was it was,
Speaker 5: It was a fairly expensive one too. It is a
Speaker 5: nice one that he had my grandmother had saved up for.
Speaker 5: He he went and took it home. He got boxes
Speaker 5: and little cans, you know, the coffee cans and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. And he took the car apart one percent
Speaker 5: from the head to from from the lights to the
Speaker 5: tail headlights of tail lights, and then put it all
Speaker 5: back together with that one parting leftover.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 5: So then so then what he did, he went went
Speaker 5: up to a local shop to to Oh he had
Speaker 5: also quit in ninth grade, so so he did only
Speaker 5: had ninth ninth grade or not even a they had
Speaker 5: an eighth grade education.
Speaker 3: When still a lot people did back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah they did to help families. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what they did. So so he went in. He
Speaker 5: he took his knowledge that he learned from putting the
Speaker 5: car back together. He went down and he told the
Speaker 5: guys at a local auto repair stop garage, he said, hey,
Speaker 5: why don't I work here for a week and if
Speaker 5: you think that my work is worth it, then you
Speaker 5: can hire me on and pay me. So he worked
Speaker 5: the whole first week and it didn't take him. It
Speaker 5: didn't take him but a few days. And going for
Speaker 5: them to hire them, he learned mechanics real well. He
Speaker 5: did that for a year, saved up enough money and
Speaker 5: he and one of his friends went in together and
Speaker 5: they bought a car dealership or they started a car dealership.
Speaker 5: So he did that for it was a twenty five
Speaker 5: to thirty years and then he retired. He retired a
Speaker 5: selfhamany manse a millionaire did. And then when he was retired,
Speaker 5: he got his real estate license just to get just
Speaker 5: to have it and he passed his first time he
Speaker 5: went in. He he went. When I was doing my
Speaker 5: my studies for engineering, he helped me with my calculus
Speaker 5: and my physics had physics on physics two and the
Speaker 5: math was more difficult my physics class than in my
Speaker 5: in my calculus class, and he helped me with them.
Speaker 5: He knew how to speak six languages fluently. He knew
Speaker 5: he learned Greek and Hebrew because of bustaying the Bible
Speaker 5: and doing tribunal like a walking So yeah, so he
Speaker 5: he he, he learned all this stuff. And I would
Speaker 5: I would have to say that he probably by the
Speaker 5: time he by the time he was probably about probably
Speaker 5: probably probably about my age, he probably had about three
Speaker 5: three doctors worth the knowledge in his sense.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 5: It's what I was just just learning on his own.
Speaker 3: What an incredible person and what a resource that you
Speaker 3: have at the ready when you can talk to to
Speaker 3: gain that type of knowledge, you are truly blessed. He
Speaker 3: sounds like a great man.
Speaker 5: He was, and he was. He was a great father.
Speaker 5: In addition to that, Uh, he just seemed to do everything.
Speaker 5: You know, God God really blessed him, bless our family
Speaker 5: and just he he, he was like an encycled like
Speaker 5: a walking encyclopedia. You can just about ask him anything
Speaker 5: and if he didn't know where what it was tub
Speaker 5: his head, he could he could direct you to it.
Speaker 5: So it was, it was, It was really really amazing.
Speaker 5: So but you know, and I do have a thing
Speaker 5: later to to to reference later when we talk about
Speaker 5: maybe maybe the Constitution and stuff like that, and something
Speaker 5: that my dad got me looking at because because he
Speaker 5: in additioned to all the books books in the library,
Speaker 5: he used to always keep up on the wall we
Speaker 5: always had the Constitution. Bill Whites was always laminated up
Speaker 5: on the wall next to his his his, uh, the
Speaker 5: next to our bookshelves.
Speaker 3: Very very good looking forward to that.
Speaker 5: So so okay, and oh gosh, you know, I know
Speaker 5: I'm going you know, this way and that way and everything.
Speaker 5: But another thing that's sort of a family relating and
Speaker 5: growing up, and I think it's really really a big
Speaker 5: importance because it sort of gives you the mindset of Okay,
Speaker 5: what what drove my dad to a lot of this?
Speaker 5: What drove me to a lot of that? When we
Speaker 5: were it was about two years after I became a
Speaker 5: Christian as ten or eleven years old, something like that.
Speaker 5: My father yells just and has this go out into
Speaker 5: the balcony. So we we go on the balcony of
Speaker 5: our house. We go and we're looking. We're up on
Speaker 5: the corner one block. We're up on the first block,
Speaker 5: but it's also a raised block, and it was a
Speaker 5: pretty high raise block, so you could see the whole
Speaker 5: valley across from our house. There there was a UFO daylight.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people say say all these
Speaker 5: things that, oh you can see the lights and you
Speaker 5: can't make it out. It was sitting out about one
Speaker 5: half mile from our house, straight out of our house,
Speaker 5: same level as our house, one half mile from our house,
Speaker 5: and you could see it because it was big. It
Speaker 5: was you know, I don't know, probably seventy five hundred
Speaker 5: feet in diameter, and it's just it's just sitting out
Speaker 5: there and you can just hear a low hum in
Speaker 5: the distance. Sat there for about ten minutes, about ten
Speaker 5: minutes over the Carter farm, and then when it took off,
Speaker 5: it took off towards the opposis side of the valley,
Speaker 5: which you know, we're on mountains on one side and
Speaker 5: there are mountains across the valley and it got to
Speaker 5: the side slowly and then it sort of turning. You
Speaker 5: could see it sort of parallel the mountain, and you
Speaker 5: could count to ten and it was gone.
Speaker 3: Now do you consider that some type of technology we
Speaker 3: don't know about, or do you think that's something more
Speaker 3: nefarious than that?
Speaker 5: Well being that, I being that I don't believe in
Speaker 5: space any any longer, and I think because of all
Speaker 5: my research I've done over the years, I think that was.
Speaker 5: You know, when people say our government is ten twenty
Speaker 5: thirty years ahead of what we actually see in manufacturing,
Speaker 5: I think they. I think they could have been fifty
Speaker 5: two hundred years ahead and reverse engineered things. But I
Speaker 5: think these are from things that they've done. I think
Speaker 5: they're from other space, but not outer space. I think
Speaker 5: there's another world in our world. With all this studying
Speaker 5: that I've been doing on Anli Tartaria, but on all
Speaker 5: the old world structures all over the world, I think
Speaker 5: there are civilizations much more intelligent than our own that
Speaker 5: preceded us and had things like this before. So I
Speaker 5: don't know if it was from just previous civilizations or
Speaker 5: maybe other lands that aren't allowed to associate with our
Speaker 5: own our own countries, countries and continents.
Speaker 3: There's a lot people other land. There's a lot of people,
Speaker 3: whether it be John Levi or many other channels, my
Speaker 3: lunch break who talk about the architecture specifically in DC,
Speaker 3: they say, we didn't build it. It was old Roman
Speaker 3: architecture that we found again.
Speaker 5: Right right, yeah, you know, and and all all of
Speaker 5: this is all around the world, all around the world.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's there's no disputing you can find it
Speaker 5: in every little country around our our so called realm,
Speaker 5: the realm of the world allowed to go to. Yeah,
Speaker 5: every every every city, every country, every every every piece
Speaker 5: of land has has these.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I saw a program the other day and I was
Speaker 5: just really really astound. I was watching with the wife.
Speaker 5: We're watching this called Hit It Hit in Ireland. You
Speaker 5: know that Ireland has over thirty thousand castles just in Ireland.
Speaker 3: Really, I didn't know that over.
Speaker 5: Thirty thousand just just in Ireland. So there were something
Speaker 5: big that was going on before and and so many
Speaker 5: of these things are not only just still standing, but
Speaker 5: then the bottom floors if you if you look at
Speaker 5: all over the world, they talk about the mud flood
Speaker 5: and go into mud flood. There's twenty thirty feet of
Speaker 5: mud every every square inch of our of our earth.
Speaker 5: I always have to be careful, not not I don't
Speaker 5: want to say the same plane out of the wall
Speaker 5: or anything, but you know, it's it's it's amazing when
Speaker 5: you start looking, when you start looking and you start
Speaker 5: looking at photographs and older photographs, and a lot of
Speaker 5: these older photographs are starting to turn up that are
Speaker 5: that are older than what they said cameras. Actually we
Speaker 5: were built the the the the quality photography is one
Speaker 5: of the things that that I'm really big on. The
Speaker 5: quality of the photography is incredible. When you start seeing
Speaker 5: some of these panoramics stuff, I mean they they they've
Speaker 5: got equivalent to uh, you know, our our best cameras right.
Speaker 3: Now, yep, and so and so.
Speaker 5: You know, you have to be real careful about what
Speaker 5: people you know, you know what what what people actually believe. Yeah,
Speaker 5: here's the one thing I always like say, and I
Speaker 5: know you say it all the time too. Don't just
Speaker 5: take my word for it, don't take George's word for it.
Speaker 5: Search for yourself, Research for yourself. That's the one thing
Speaker 5: that that why why I really enjoy you George because
Speaker 5: everything that you post, all your links, I can go
Speaker 5: into it. I just find all kinds of other things
Speaker 5: I can it. Just it gets me going on another
Speaker 5: down another rabbit hole and connecting something else that I
Speaker 5: hadn't connected before. Just you can you use what people
Speaker 5: talk about to help you get to another point in
Speaker 5: your own life.
Speaker 3: You know. It's it's very interesting that you mentioned that,
Speaker 3: because I don't remember where it was, if it was
Speaker 3: on social media or on a YouTube video. I saw
Speaker 3: this camera. It was an Eastman View number one. The
Speaker 3: model is called Bellows, and it was this panoramic camera.
Speaker 3: It's like made of wood, and of course all the
Speaker 3: scopes and everything, and it's on I looked it up.
Speaker 3: It's on eBay for like five hundred bucks. And you
Speaker 3: see the pictures that these old cameras produce. These really
Speaker 3: their majestic panoramic view cameras. And while it's really cool
Speaker 3: to have this device where you can talk to people,
Speaker 3: text people, look at the score of the ballgame, and
Speaker 3: record videos, there's something to say about taking such minimal things,
Speaker 3: putting them together and creating a beautiful a picture, especially
Speaker 3: you know, something as old as that, right, so amazing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, the quality is much better than people had.
Speaker 5: You know, if you listen to the narrative, you we
Speaker 5: you know all that shouldn't be available to us, that's right,
Speaker 5: you know, you know everything before the nineteen hundreds is
Speaker 5: going to be blurry. But it's not true.
Speaker 3: That is not the case whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Not the case. And and when you do a lot
Speaker 5: of photography and you notice something that's you know, good,
Speaker 5: better and excellent, you can you can start seeing that, well,
Speaker 5: the quality really was excellent on a lot of the
Speaker 5: old photographs.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting to me that the eighteen eighties
Speaker 3: is really when the automobile, the camera George Eastman was
Speaker 3: he released the Kodak in the eighteen eighties, and that
Speaker 3: was right after the quote unquote reconstruction, So that is
Speaker 3: and I think that was right around the time of
Speaker 3: one of the world's fairs that we talked about quite often,
Speaker 3: World Fairship exactly. So that that is certainly an interesting
Speaker 3: time that I wish we could kind of go back
Speaker 3: and investigate more. Unfortunately, it's really hard to trust the
Speaker 3: authors of our textbooks.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's hard to trust the authors, and it's
Speaker 5: and it's very difficult, like you were saying, you know,
Speaker 5: try try to use brave braves. Braves gotten a little
Speaker 5: worse and than than it was before. Uh, yandex. Still
Speaker 5: use yandex. Like like you you've you've suggested in the past.
Speaker 5: You have to use other other resources. If if you
Speaker 5: just if if any of the listeners are just using Google,
Speaker 5: Google Chrome, uh, you know, any any of your you know,
Speaker 5: Dogpile or any any of your other any of your
Speaker 5: your your search engines that are that are sort of
Speaker 5: approved by the mainstream. You're you're going to get a
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of things canna be hidden from you.
Speaker 5: Most things, most things of truth are going to be
Speaker 5: hidden from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's it's definitely one way that you know that
Speaker 5: you can see the truth for something that uh, you know,
Speaker 5: they go and they tell you by if they spend
Speaker 5: so much money and they spend a lot of money
Speaker 5: hiding flat earth. Oh yeah, it's it's it's not cheap
Speaker 5: what they do, having groups of people working on algorithm
Speaker 5: software engineers to to go and to go and hide
Speaker 5: all this information. Does It costs some money, cost some costs,
Speaker 5: some considerable a considerable amount of money, And no company
Speaker 5: is going to do that unless they actually want to
Speaker 5: hide something that could sort of destroy their their world
Speaker 5: as a as a.
Speaker 3: You know, NASA kind of stepped on their foot today.
Speaker 3: They posted from the I S S. They posted an
Speaker 3: image of the hurricane, but that hurricane appeared to take
Speaker 3: up most of the quote unquote globe. So if you
Speaker 3: did the math, Florida would be two thirds of the world.
Speaker 3: That was mean that many people were quick to point out.
Speaker 3: Once again, that's funny. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always think that.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, can you talk to
Speaker 3: us a little about your journey to to flat Earth
Speaker 3: and what were the series of events that made you think,
Speaker 3: well maybe this is worth looking into.
Speaker 5: Well, okay about gosha It it was two years ago,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two September, around September I had there was
Speaker 5: that video that was being circular ut that flattered Dave
Speaker 5: and that so called professor where they did that debate
Speaker 5: and when I when I listened to that washing and
Speaker 5: listened to it, it was so annoying. How how that
Speaker 5: that so? Well, the guy ended up not being a
Speaker 5: professor from what I understand, if if, if that your
Speaker 5: current is true, But he didn't see to be arguing
Speaker 5: any decent points, and he seemed to be getting angry
Speaker 5: instead of instead of keeping his school and arguing intelligently.
Speaker 5: So so what I did is I went and said,
Speaker 5: you know what, and he's you know, we need the
Speaker 5: guy from science. So I said, you know, I'm going
Speaker 5: to research. Why don't I research for three fourths of
Speaker 5: the year to year and I will cut. I already
Speaker 5: had a date set up in spring of twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three that I was going to contact Dave and I
Speaker 5: was going to I wanted to see if he would
Speaker 5: invite me on to debate him. And of course, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, you know how that how that works comes out.
Speaker 5: You know, I start going through everything and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I can't believe this. This isn't true. This isn't true,
Speaker 5: this isn't true. And then all the things that they
Speaker 5: were saying just were more contradictions. You know, I already did.
Speaker 5: I was I was a guy that everyone was saying
Speaker 5: to shut up in class. Uh, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: and you know, our professors would be lecturing and then
Speaker 5: they open things up for questions, and I keep the
Speaker 5: class after just asking questions after question and file. You know,
Speaker 5: I would debate them because I would say, well, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, you just read a paragraph that has, uh,
Speaker 5: it has three ifs in it. It has it has
Speaker 5: two would be possibility, and that says and then if
Speaker 5: all that works out that then there's a great possibility
Speaker 5: that something this and this will be that. And and
Speaker 5: I went and I told me, I said, what about
Speaker 5: that is scientific? And what or what about that is
Speaker 5: actual science?
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, you start going down these these
Speaker 5: holes and you start searching and I and I found
Speaker 5: that there were just so much, so much research or
Speaker 5: so much truth to all the things that Dave was saying,
Speaker 5: and very little that this professor so called professor was saying.
Speaker 5: And so so so in my searching around from podcasting
Speaker 5: podcast podcasts, I went through dozens of them, and there
Speaker 5: was this one called Cult of Conspiracy. One guy's a Christian,
Speaker 5: the other guy's not. The Christian guy uses a lot
Speaker 5: of cursive language and he's always apologizing for it, and
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, why don't you just not use it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Sony? Anyways, he on their show, they had somebody that said, hey,
Speaker 5: if you haven't seen The fact Hunter, or listen to
Speaker 5: the fact Hunter, I encourage you to listen. So I
Speaker 5: went over to start to listen to you about November
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, and it was shortly after you were
Speaker 5: saying you were going to start doing the flatous files.
Speaker 3: I believe it was November two years next month, correct.
Speaker 5: So I went from the fact hunder to to your
Speaker 5: show and then the rest of their history.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, you know, you know, And then and then.
Speaker 5: You know, after I've just been compiling and compiling, compiling information,
Speaker 5: just same things. So so anyways, you know, you know, George,
Speaker 5: I hear a lot of people say a lot of
Speaker 5: the same things, and I know, you know, it can
Speaker 5: be repetitive, especially for new listeners to hear a lot
Speaker 5: of the same things. And I'll probably say some of
Speaker 5: the same things, you know, you know, like like flight
Speaker 5: pass and flight pass and oxygen you can see too far.
Speaker 5: All those things are correct. But maybe got a couple
Speaker 5: of little things I can give people that maybe help
Speaker 5: them if they're sort of serve on a fence, just
Speaker 5: real simple things. I need to go to my and
Speaker 5: and I put these little my I like to put
Speaker 5: hyper hyperlinks in my article because I got so many
Speaker 5: pages I can I can get to stuff, but I
Speaker 5: get to my my Carl Sagan, hopefully everyone to Karlan.
Speaker 1: You do.
Speaker 5: If you don't look up, look up, Carl Sagan, you'll
Speaker 5: find a whole lot of material on them. So per
Speaker 5: Carl Carl Sagan article, the Earth travels around the Sun
Speaker 5: at one thousand, thirty seven miles per hour. The Earth
Speaker 5: orbits the Sun sixty six thousand, six hundred miles per
Speaker 5: hour to complete one orbit in one day, or or
Speaker 5: complete one orbit in three hundred sixty five days. As
Speaker 5: it's traveling around the Sun, the Sun orbits a milki
Speaker 5: Way miki Way's Galactus center four hundred and forty seven
Speaker 5: thousand miles per hour. Our solar system travels through the
Speaker 5: cosmic microwave background eight hundred and twenty seven thousand miles
Speaker 5: per hour. The galaxy travels at one point three million
Speaker 5: miles per hour. So in my mind here that you know,
Speaker 5: you know when you go and you look at things
Speaker 5: and you look at you look at how fast things
Speaker 5: are traveling and there and I do have something on
Speaker 5: like the moon, how far how far the moon and
Speaker 5: your Sun Sun Moon travel So it's like all my
Speaker 5: contradictions here, Okay, the the Earth. The Earth travels over
Speaker 5: one point five million miles per day, if you if you,
Speaker 5: if you adhere to their narrative, right, the moon travels
Speaker 5: fifty five thousand miles in a day. If the moon's
Speaker 5: traveling fifty five thousand miles a day, how's it keeping
Speaker 5: up with you?
Speaker 3: Exactly behind?
Speaker 5: They throw out these contradictions all of Yeah, that that
Speaker 5: just make you just say, okay, that that that that
Speaker 5: makes zero sense. So science science, when you start drilling
Speaker 5: down into science and you and you learn as much
Speaker 5: as I had physics, I had quantum physics. A lot
Speaker 5: of people never get to quantum physics and it starts
Speaker 5: getting really deep. But it's so much of it's just theory.
Speaker 5: It's serious theory. It's it's it's like one line built
Speaker 5: upon another. So so another contradiction that I found with
Speaker 5: it to that, since I've got it right here, I
Speaker 5: had a couple of highlighted here. Okay, that the big
Speaker 5: Bang theory. So if you believe the Big Bang and
Speaker 5: you look at what happens in big big explosions or
Speaker 5: big big bomb set you know when you see these
Speaker 5: these big bout blasts, and I don't I don't know,
Speaker 5: if I believe in nuclear you know, there's a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of debating as far as whether nuclear is real
Speaker 5: or not, and whether it was used in World War Two.
Speaker 5: But if you, if you, if you believe in the
Speaker 5: Big Bang, they say that everything compressed to the center
Speaker 5: and then went out. It went out, and it supposedly
Speaker 5: bands of perfectly round planets evolved from this. But go
Speaker 5: out to go out to a pile after just even
Speaker 5: just like an M eighty for yourself, you know, just
Speaker 5: a small piece.
Speaker 3: Of dynamite, quarter stick of dynamite, go, go, go and
Speaker 3: load that.
Speaker 5: By by by a bunch of rocks. Go there, loaded
Speaker 5: underneath it, and explode a couple of these, and you
Speaker 5: tell me how many perfectly round rocks you see?
Speaker 3: Zero? That's the zero.
Speaker 5: You know that from the military, all these things that
Speaker 5: you I mean, you just it's it's it's it's a
Speaker 5: near impossibility to get a perfectly round anything from an explosion.
Speaker 5: So there are explosions, okay. Uh so, so amay is
Speaker 5: one of a couple of these little experiments. One of
Speaker 5: them I did with photography, and I wrote it. It
Speaker 5: was in my first letter that I've written to you,
Speaker 5: when I worked in the wireless industry, which we which
Speaker 5: we need to get to sometime. You will work the
Speaker 5: wireless entry. I was at the top of the mountains
Speaker 5: a lot. It's one of the best jobs in the world.
Speaker 5: You get paid a lot of money. I'm up here
Speaker 5: at the top of these mountains and I can just
Speaker 5: see I see forever, see my miles and miles and
Speaker 5: miles miles. They always put the cell sites that are
Speaker 5: in the rural areas at the very very top of
Speaker 5: the mountains, you know, the top the tallest mountain on
Speaker 5: the mountain chain, and you can see three hundred and
Speaker 5: sixty degrees all the way around. So what I did
Speaker 5: is I took a camera out there one time, and
Speaker 5: this was before I was you know, I had signed
Speaker 5: on to flat Earth, and I put my camera on
Speaker 5: there in a tripod and I'm just moving it back
Speaker 5: and forth, and I have this focusing screen on there
Speaker 5: that has all these parallel lines on it, and you
Speaker 5: look out across the ocean and I could go from
Speaker 5: left to right, and that's several hundred miles from left
Speaker 5: to right that I could see from the top of
Speaker 5: some of these mountains. If I go farthest left to
Speaker 5: the farthest right, and I could go on the center
Speaker 5: line and go all across from the horizon and it
Speaker 5: never move off that horizon. No curve isn't there, No
Speaker 5: curve ye. So this is why I say to people
Speaker 5: who are on the fence there there, you can't have.
Speaker 5: You can't have two things when it's there, when they're
Speaker 5: not equal, you can't. You can't have you can't have
Speaker 5: curve and no curve. There's either curve or there's no curve.
Speaker 5: A a a plate is never going to be a ball.
Speaker 5: A ball is never going to be a plate.
Speaker 3: That's right, right.
Speaker 5: My sister, my sister, one of my sisters, is very
Speaker 5: hung up on that that circular of the circular where
Speaker 5: God look upon the circular of the earth, or.
Speaker 3: The grasshoppers look down upon it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, look at look, look look at looking at
Speaker 5: And I was saying, you know, I said, put a
Speaker 5: plate on the ground and stand up over it. What
Speaker 5: do you see? You see a circle, but you don't
Speaker 5: see a sphere. It's just it's basically that, It's basically
Speaker 5: that simple. It's it can't be. It can't be both,
Speaker 5: can't be, can't be a ball, can't be a plate,
Speaker 5: see the plate or ball. So and a lot of people,
Speaker 5: I would think most people, because I still I still
Speaker 5: have one, I still have have cloned out to it.
Speaker 5: I won't I won't. I won't get rid of it
Speaker 5: just for it. It's more of a souvenir for anything.
Speaker 5: It's it's a toy souvenir. I won't get rid of
Speaker 5: my globe. So if you so, just taking what Carl
Speaker 5: Sagan said, in those speeds, you take the first speed
Speaker 5: and you take the second speed. Okay, so you so
Speaker 5: you take your you're just over one thousand miles an
Speaker 5: hour that's spinning around in circle. Okay, we'll take that speed. First.
Speaker 5: You go and you take your globe, put it in
Speaker 5: put it in your hand, and tilt it towards towards
Speaker 5: the wall. You can just tilt it a little bit
Speaker 5: towards the wall. Put a piece of tape on the
Speaker 5: wall where the north star is, and on the center
Speaker 5: of the room or an island or something that you're
Speaker 5: going to be walking around, put put a ball there
Speaker 5: that's supposed to be the sun. Now now, now put
Speaker 5: the sixty six thousand, six hundred miles per hour in
Speaker 5: motion and start walking that globe around the Sun, you
Speaker 5: can no longer see the North Star.
Speaker 3: That's a great observation. I'm not sure too many people
Speaker 3: have said that before.
Speaker 5: You're You're You're You're north is not just with the
Speaker 5: two those two speeds, you cannot you cannot see you
Speaker 5: can't you cannot see the North Star anymore. So, so
Speaker 5: you know, And and there's five speeds acporting per Carl Sagan,
Speaker 5: per science that we're supposed to be going through space.
Speaker 5: So so you know, you know, science falls apart pretty
Speaker 5: fast when you start looking at things logically. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of logic in science, in the math behind science,
Speaker 5: and when you start looking at like that, and you know,
Speaker 5: and I hear a lot of people talk about but
Speaker 5: I don't hear them talk about talk about that either.
Speaker 5: Now I did talk I did mention the thing about
Speaker 5: the moon and the Sun and how how's the how's
Speaker 5: the moon traveling less? And distance is still keep it
Speaker 5: up with the Sun. But you can do apply that
Speaker 5: to all the different so called planets and science. There's
Speaker 5: another it's more with the Apollo Apollo love and now
Speaker 5: you were you were in did did things with engineering
Speaker 5: and flight? Didn't you George.
Speaker 3: Well, I was as combat engineer. I didn't do a
Speaker 3: whole lot of engineer. I was in an aviation unit.
Speaker 3: But we were black Hawk helicopters.
Speaker 5: Black okay, so so so you were at least acquainted
Speaker 5: with absolutely went with them. Okay. Well, uh, here's here's
Speaker 5: the thing that I never that I don't hear anyone
Speaker 5: say about going to the moon, because you know, there's
Speaker 5: still millions of people that are clinging onto We went
Speaker 5: to the moon, went to the moon absolutely, Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: even even though the Bible says that the moon, moon,
Speaker 5: the stars and the suns in the in the in
Speaker 5: the firmamat. So here's okay, you've got I've got it here.
Speaker 5: Listen as gravity and a pol eleven, so a poll eleven.
Speaker 5: When you start doing some research on a Paul eleven,
Speaker 5: they go and they say that that their capsule going
Speaker 5: through space was traveling on an average to the Moon
Speaker 5: at about seventy five hundred miles pro. Now they have
Speaker 5: these different speeds where they said when they're coming back
Speaker 5: it was more about ninety five to ninety eight hundred
Speaker 5: miles apart, that they're coming back faster. Now they say
Speaker 5: that they can get they can go these speeds because
Speaker 5: there's zero there in zero resistance. Now, I don't believe
Speaker 5: that if you get out in the air anywhere, I
Speaker 5: don't think you can prove and I don't think that
Speaker 5: sciences have approved or shown proof that you can have
Speaker 5: it work like in a test tube lab environment where
Speaker 5: you can create you can create a perfect environment. Once
Speaker 5: you go out out of that perfect environment, I don't
Speaker 5: think we have any perfect environment, whether it's Earth, our air,
Speaker 5: and within the dome, you go outside the dome. So
Speaker 5: let's just entertain that thought for one second. Say, okay, well,
Speaker 5: what if they're a space. What if they're a space,
Speaker 5: and let's say let's say they could travel faster speeds
Speaker 5: over there. Well, they said that they're traveling at at
Speaker 5: almost ninety eight hundred miles an hour back to Earth.
Speaker 5: It took them less time they got back to Earth.
Speaker 5: And as they were coming into our atmosphere, they said
Speaker 5: they traveled to get break into our atmoster twenty four
Speaker 5: thousand miles per hour exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I was about to mention that they claim
Speaker 3: it speeds just under twenty five thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 5: Twenty four thousand miles. Okay, Now if you look at
Speaker 5: the fastest jets, now do you find different things for
Speaker 5: fastest jets? One of them says the fast jet. And
Speaker 5: you look at these things and they look intense. They're
Speaker 5: like a suit up a sports car. If you go
Speaker 5: look look at these fastest jets. This one showed the
Speaker 5: North American X fifteen was forty five twenty. I found
Speaker 5: another one that went up to almost seven thousand miles
Speaker 5: per hour, about seven thousand miles power. But it's still
Speaker 5: it's still slower than they're saying that this spit that
Speaker 5: their spacecraft was traveling. Okay, so let's just give it
Speaker 5: to them and say, okay, twenty four thousand miles an hour. Okay,
Speaker 5: you win, twenty four thousand miles an hour. I say,
Speaker 5: in my question, how can something traveling twenty four thousand
Speaker 5: miles an hour catch and earth that's traveling sixty six thousand,
Speaker 5: six hundred miles power trying to get on a freeway.
Speaker 5: And let's just put in numbers that most people, because
Speaker 5: see they talking big numbers of them. Let's just say
Speaker 5: you're traveling twenty four miles an hour in your car
Speaker 5: and you're getting on too non rep in the freeway
Speaker 5: and you're trying to catch a car that's going sixty
Speaker 5: six thousand miles and there's six miles an hour. Can
Speaker 5: you can a twenty four mile car ever catch a
Speaker 5: sixty six milear car?
Speaker 3: Of course not, of course not.
Speaker 5: See, they don't. They don't even back science or put
Speaker 5: numbers into their equations or into science to go and
Speaker 5: make their overall story true. It's just it's just all
Speaker 5: full of holes, literally full of holes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and according to NASA, you can still go back
Speaker 3: and look, the Saturn five rocket is still they claim,
Speaker 3: the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. According to
Speaker 3: the story it had where was my notes here? Oh,
Speaker 3: it had over three hundred thousand liters of liquid oxygen.
Speaker 3: But the big one is that had eight hundred thousand
Speaker 3: liters of kerosene, which is incredible when you think about
Speaker 3: how many. You know, you look at the flames coming out.
Speaker 5: It's just right, I know, it's just you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, and you and you'd have to carry a lot,
Speaker 5: you have to carry a lot of fuel. Although they
Speaker 5: say in that perfect environment once they're in space that
Speaker 5: it takes hardly any hardly any fuel to go that fast.
Speaker 5: For long periods of time. But you know, I just,
Speaker 5: you know, I can't even go over there to try
Speaker 5: to see how any of that could work when virtually
Speaker 5: everything they tell us is not true. And you know,
Speaker 5: you just it just seems like that the few people
Speaker 5: that I talked to about science or science talked about
Speaker 5: these things. They go there and they say, oh, well,
Speaker 5: I haven't I didn't think about that. I didn't think
Speaker 5: about well, you know, but but you have to think
Speaker 5: about you have to think about these things because these
Speaker 5: are these are the things that it for for your
Speaker 5: story to be true, for there to be fact in it,
Speaker 5: you have to everything else that falls the line that
Speaker 5: supports it has to be true and factual true. So
Speaker 5: if any part of that isn't, then you have to
Speaker 5: start looking at everything else. And if you can't, if
Speaker 5: you can't substantiate everything that you that you say about it,
Speaker 5: then it's probably probably not true. Soome before I get
Speaker 5: too far along, because I've got I've got several other
Speaker 5: things about even flat Earth and the old world. Maybe
Speaker 5: spend ten minutes if we can on on on the
Speaker 5: wireless industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, And let me add one last thing.
Speaker 3: I did a little quick match of my calculator, eight
Speaker 3: hundred thousand liters of kerosene comes out to like a
Speaker 3: million pounds.
Speaker 5: It's it's heavy, it's heavy. And and and that was
Speaker 5: one of the things that I was sending you about
Speaker 5: about about the fuel. You know, I do think they
Speaker 5: use fuel in planes. I see them refueling. I know
Speaker 5: they use them in planes and just and com marcial airlines.
Speaker 5: But the weight that they say, the weight they say
Speaker 5: that they have on them is camp can't be true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sent me quite a And it's interesting because
Speaker 3: again I was in an aviation unit. The fields accounted
Speaker 3: for down to the to the gallon. Obviously, they allowed
Speaker 3: a certain prevent percentage, just like in carpentry and masonry
Speaker 3: when they're figuring out for that kind of thing. They
Speaker 3: understand there's gonna be a small amount of waste. But
Speaker 3: it is interesting when you hear about how much weight
Speaker 3: all those gallons of fuel takes. It's heavy, It is
Speaker 3: really heavy.
Speaker 5: It's heavy. And and and that one that I sent
Speaker 5: you where they're saying they and and they and they
Speaker 5: tell you on that on that that that big air
Speaker 5: bus where they say where they where they're where their
Speaker 5: tanks are mostly in the wings, some of the tails
Speaker 5: some and some of the back a little bit. But
Speaker 5: having all that weight on the wings, when you go
Speaker 5: and you talk about that, they would they would need
Speaker 5: four tanker trunks on each on each wing of weight,
Speaker 5: I mean that that's a lot of weight and fuel.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 5: I don't see the volume there too. I don't see
Speaker 5: it being able to get off the ground if it
Speaker 5: had that much in there. Now do they use fuel?
Speaker 5: They probably do? And and you and you were involved
Speaker 5: in refueling and helicopters, I mean just about everything, cars,
Speaker 5: everything needs fuel. But what other technology might they be
Speaker 5: using that they haven't told us about that where they're
Speaker 5: in crew you know, cruise control, if they're not carrying
Speaker 5: anywhere near that amount of fuel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point because and then again it
Speaker 3: goes against its own narrative. Well, the plane's made out
Speaker 3: of aluminum. Okay, So this aluminum plane right through two
Speaker 3: buildings on September eleventh. The you know, the narratives kind
Speaker 3: of go against each other sometimes, right right, Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 3: But yeah, let me give you the opportunity to talk
Speaker 3: about the wireless industry.
Speaker 5: Okay. Now, now, first thing I wanted to say about
Speaker 5: it because you know, a lot of I don't want
Speaker 5: people to think and always think things. So this so
Speaker 5: this guy's you know, we're working for the other side
Speaker 5: and everything. I'm not I'm not I'm not totally pro that.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not totally against anyone ever having any
Speaker 5: harm from anything. But I'm saying it's very difficult just
Speaker 5: from what the wireless industry offers, what what they put
Speaker 5: out there for for putting out all the cell sites,
Speaker 5: all the towers all there, all their uh, their antenna work.
Speaker 5: They're doing something that that a lot of people, include myself,
Speaker 5: believe and as being you know, being true being, being
Speaker 5: being something that is that is a positive for for people.
Speaker 5: They're not trying to do anything where people are going
Speaker 5: to be irradiator, get cancer or anything. Now, could somebody
Speaker 5: create something negative or bad that you know, where they
Speaker 5: could inject you with something and it works off a
Speaker 5: five guh signal? Of course it could, you know, because
Speaker 5: because for everything that you make that's good, there's almost
Speaker 5: always something that is that is created that somebody in
Speaker 5: this evil and you know that has an evil mind
Speaker 5: will create to ride upon that kind of technology. So
Speaker 5: so you know, I'm not I want ever to know that,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to I'm going to give you just
Speaker 5: what I saw when I was in it, when I
Speaker 5: when I was working, when I was working in that
Speaker 5: in that industry, we I had five six test phones
Speaker 5: right right behind my seat, behind my head for seventeen
Speaker 5: years or not seventeen the twelve years that I was
Speaker 5: a field engineer, and I did some of the time
Speaker 5: when I was ANORIF engineer, but I wasn't on the
Speaker 5: field as much. But every single day I had I
Speaker 5: had I had two main phones out that were in
Speaker 5: cradles up on the front, and five or six phones
Speaker 5: always going, always transmitting and receiving, driving through the market,
Speaker 5: collecting data. So I did that every single day, Okay.
Speaker 5: I also worked on cell sites up on rooftops where
Speaker 5: we'd have sometimes three different carriers. When I say the carriers,
Speaker 5: I mean three different companies that had complete systems up there.
Speaker 5: They had all the radio equipment, they had the antennas,
Speaker 5: everything was mounted up on the roof and we were
Speaker 5: in the backside of the antennas up there. When you're
Speaker 5: working in that environment, they give you what they call
Speaker 5: is a ratman. This rat menu you wear and if
Speaker 5: it goes off, if there's even the slightest bit of
Speaker 5: anything that's that radiation being your radio on that on
Speaker 5: that rooftop, I it'll pick it up. It picks up
Speaker 5: the smallest amount. In twelve years, it only went off
Speaker 5: two times. Both times I found that a connector was
Speaker 5: left loose by one of our what they call tower
Speaker 5: crew guys, guys working that were doing the actual work
Speaker 5: on the antenna system there, and they someone forgot to
Speaker 5: tighten a connector. And after that went off, I went
Speaker 5: over there and I quickly quickly found the source, tightened
Speaker 5: it and everything disappeared in my monitor went back to
Speaker 5: to UH to a normal normal reading. The rod means
Speaker 5: we got we had calibrated every year. You have to
Speaker 5: calibrate those every single year, and you have to wear
Speaker 5: them all the time when you're in the field. So
Speaker 5: we were in around the sizics, We were in the
Speaker 5: we were in the near field of the antenna systems.
Speaker 5: The antenna systems operate generally in like eight hundred nine
Speaker 5: hundred megahritz range. There are a few that are at
Speaker 5: the low end of the microwave spectrum, but they don't
Speaker 5: There are zero and I say zero with the capital
Speaker 5: zero microwave antennas that are that are radiating out you know,
Speaker 5: microwave dish around dish that is radiating any signal into
Speaker 5: the network. All your round, big round owned microwave antennas
Speaker 5: at higher microwave frequencies are all used for back all.
Speaker 5: In other words, they're faced each other two of the month,
Speaker 5: one tower on one cell site, one another and it
Speaker 5: pulls information back, all information back to our switches, our
Speaker 5: switches that collects all the data, all your data for
Speaker 5: uh you know, you know, your all your call information
Speaker 5: for billing and uh you know whatnot. We have we
Speaker 5: have rooms billion dollars which is in our up in
Speaker 5: the Portland Portland market that serve for for you know,
Speaker 5: keeping everything connected. It's sort of the center brains of
Speaker 5: the whole network. We had over five hundred cell sites.
Speaker 5: We had twelve guys that were working in our market
Speaker 5: there working for one of the major companies. I'll say that.
Speaker 5: And the the thing that we had to do whenever
Speaker 5: we made a change. Let let's say, I'll talk about
Speaker 5: a rooftop side because it's the one that where there
Speaker 5: to be the most effect to me if I if
Speaker 5: I had any radiation of any kind. Whenever you make
Speaker 5: a change, whenever you do whenever you add another antenna
Speaker 5: to a sector, whether you add a different type of antenna,
Speaker 5: whether you whether a new company comes in and says
Speaker 5: we're going to be we're going to do it and
Speaker 5: put it, put a new cell side here, put their equipment,
Speaker 5: put their antennas. You have to have an independent company
Speaker 5: that comes over from Texas. These companies out all came
Speaker 5: out of Texas and they come over and they right
Speaker 5: right away, like you, you're allowed to turn up, but
Speaker 5: only for a certain amount of days until they come over.
Speaker 5: They test it, and they test it within that first month,
Speaker 5: and they tell you, oh, if you have any any
Speaker 5: problem on the roof or outside, you know where where
Speaker 5: it's going to affect any of the general public, you
Speaker 5: have to either turn the power down some. They give
Speaker 5: you the choices of what to do. Raise the antennas,
Speaker 5: choose a choose a lower power antennant. If you can't
Speaker 5: achieve the power that you want by lowering it with
Speaker 5: the intensity up, you have to do windows or just
Speaker 5: shut it off completely. You can't keep on operating on
Speaker 5: something that they deem has a problem. Now if it
Speaker 5: just if it increases an area, let's say, let's say
Speaker 5: the footprint where they had it sort of chained off
Speaker 5: where you where you know, okay, this could be harmful,
Speaker 5: could be harmful. Area is uh, you know three foot
Speaker 5: around the backside of these antennas. They might say you
Speaker 5: have to move out to five feet and everything beyond
Speaker 5: five feet is completely safe for public for someone to
Speaker 5: the HVAC guy to come out and work without you
Speaker 5: having to do something. Now, we we did have a
Speaker 5: few sites that were where on the rooftop it was
Speaker 5: a little bit bigger footprint than then they wanted. And
Speaker 5: they and so then they tell you if you have
Speaker 5: anyone work up there, whether change back or wherever we
Speaker 5: had to turn off our cell site for them to
Speaker 5: work up there, or a sector that the sector that
Speaker 5: might be seeing a lot of times there are three
Speaker 5: sector sites, you might have to off that one sector
Speaker 5: that was a little higher powered that would be affecting them.
Speaker 5: So there were a lot of a lot of things
Speaker 5: that were in place the the cell sites. And I know,
Speaker 5: I know I heard something that I think you I
Speaker 5: think it was on one of your broadcasts that where
Speaker 5: our podcasts that you had, you had it was it
Speaker 5: was like it like an interview or someone someone that
Speaker 5: was doing like a like like a news interview. She
Speaker 5: she was saying that a certain certain cell companies were
Speaker 5: going there and putting up all these antennas without without
Speaker 5: any permission. You can't do that. You can't do that.
Speaker 5: The the the I had when I was an RF
Speaker 5: engineer with URPH engineer with radio frequency which is design engineer,
Speaker 5: I had one three and five year plans and it
Speaker 5: almost nothing was done in one year. It's usually two years.
Speaker 5: Two years was a minimum that I'd go through. I
Speaker 5: had to jump through hoops with the SEC, with the
Speaker 5: FAA in almost every single cells like that I put
Speaker 5: up there. If it was b l M land that
Speaker 5: we're putting on the Bureau of Land Management, it would
Speaker 5: take up usually five years to get a cell site
Speaker 5: interesting and and so so you can't you have to
Speaker 5: go through all these approval and all these hoops. It's
Speaker 5: one of the most regulated industries in the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, r F energy heats up tissue and
Speaker 3: I deally came to learn about it. Doesn't can when
Speaker 3: I got into ham Radio and there's some antennas out
Speaker 3: there that that uh, when not assembled correctly or has
Speaker 3: too much power, it can actually harm your neighbors right right,
Speaker 3: and and and you.
Speaker 5: Know, you know, one of our jobs that we did
Speaker 5: as a field engineer was when we had a bunch
Speaker 5: of interference from from from from something like that, we
Speaker 5: would use we would we'd go out, UH I'd usually
Speaker 5: team up with with a sister of a forearms engineer
Speaker 5: and we would use these zagi yaggy antennas and we'd
Speaker 5: find that where that person was, and and and and
Speaker 5: we had we had the ability with our company to
Speaker 5: we had we we go and tell the guy you
Speaker 5: have to you have to shut it off. You have
Speaker 5: to you have to get approval at at a corrected
Speaker 5: power before you can turn up because you're interfering with
Speaker 5: our sites. And you have to change the band that
Speaker 5: you're transmitting on because it's interfering. Yeah, well what what
Speaker 5: what they probably have to do is not only the band,
Speaker 5: but they probably had a worn out filter that was
Speaker 5: that wasn't keeping there their transmission in the band that
Speaker 5: they were in and they were crossing over into an
Speaker 5: hours and interfering on ourselves sites.
Speaker 3: Now, with the nullification of like Verizon and A T
Speaker 3: and T. Is it one of these things like when
Speaker 3: you post a public notice. Yeah, we made a public
Speaker 3: but was it really public? Did the people really have
Speaker 3: the opportunity to find out that this particular antenna was
Speaker 3: being put in their neighborhood?
Speaker 5: Uh? Yes, yes. In fact, we've had to One of
Speaker 5: the things that I had to do as an orphan
Speaker 5: engineer was I had to do. I did do.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's like tons of cases things that got kicked back.
Speaker 5: Those were one of the things that made almost every
Speaker 5: single cell site take two years to do, because you
Speaker 5: get someone, you'd get you know, let's say, let's say
Speaker 5: miss mister mister Gonzalez, who who wants to put one
Speaker 5: of these cell sites in his yard and all his
Speaker 5: neighbors hear about it, you know, you know, and then
Speaker 5: and then the uh there there you know board Uh.
Speaker 3: They were scheduled.
Speaker 5: They would they would they would get uh uh get
Speaker 5: together and they would file something against the city and
Speaker 5: we'd have to go meet with them. We'd have to
Speaker 5: me in court. We had I had, I had a
Speaker 5: couple of guys that had to work with uh. There
Speaker 5: were there are lawyers that that would work with uh.
Speaker 5: You know, getting things past. And I had I had
Speaker 5: to show everything, show my footprint, show everything that was
Speaker 5: going to happen. And I had to show that there
Speaker 5: was going to be zero harm to anyone, including the
Speaker 5: people that were in the in their yard where we
Speaker 5: were putting, pacing the antenna. Everything was going to be
Speaker 5: at a height that there was going to be zero,
Speaker 5: zero chance of radiation.
Speaker 3: Does it bother you at all? And again I'm not
Speaker 3: the physicists and have the knowledge that you have. But
Speaker 3: does it bother you at all? That they put all
Speaker 3: these antennas on the cities and towns, water towers.
Speaker 5: They've been doing that for years, water toowers, I I do,
Speaker 5: you know, and I do, and all the research I've done,
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of things that all kinds of things
Speaker 5: I say, I'd have to say, yes, do that. You know?
Speaker 5: You know and and you know and and and there
Speaker 5: are things that cause different signal signal levels, but not
Speaker 5: at a not at a harmful harmful level. You know,
Speaker 5: you get you get snow uh from in winter, you know,
Speaker 5: at Pocatello uh Or, I had the Idaho market one
Speaker 5: as the design engineer. And when you get snow, oh,
Speaker 5: signals travel much much further, and I start wanted to
Speaker 5: get into this travel trailing signal for how far these
Speaker 5: things can go. But it would go up some of
Speaker 5: these valleys, and the people say, oh, I get great,
Speaker 5: great signal in the winter, and I get crap in
Speaker 5: the in the summer. It's because the snow wants the
Speaker 5: snow melts there. You know, whatever was bouncing off the
Speaker 5: snow and bouncing back into that valley was with the
Speaker 5: signal was actually reflecting off the snow.
Speaker 3: Interesting, So so we will go.
Speaker 5: Considerably farther up valleys. And but but you know when
Speaker 5: they if they're like the only ones up there, the
Speaker 5: handful of people, you know, they say, well, why don't
Speaker 5: you put a sell site up there. I'd like to
Speaker 5: have one at my house. Well you can't. You have
Speaker 5: to look at the return on investment. The cheapest when
Speaker 5: I was involved in it at as a design engineer,
Speaker 5: which is around two thousand to two thousand and five,
Speaker 5: they the cheapest cell site was was was over half
Speaker 5: a million dollars. Some some our cell sites are ten
Speaker 5: to fifteen million dollars, I believe just for one, and
Speaker 5: we had over five hundred of them now you get,
Speaker 5: you get into one that's up on up on a
Speaker 5: mountain top. You can pay oh, just have power put
Speaker 5: up there. You could pay you know, one point five
Speaker 5: million dollars just to have the power taking up to
Speaker 5: the cell site. So there's a lot of costs involved.
Speaker 5: You have to look at return investment if all we're
Speaker 5: going to serve as just a few people. You know,
Speaker 5: you can you can do repeaters of valleys, but even
Speaker 5: doing a repeat or the repeater cost to do everything,
Speaker 5: and all the people that are working on it probably
Speaker 5: wouldn't be able to put do a repeater without spending
Speaker 5: about about thirty forty fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I listen to We live in a rural
Speaker 3: area and when I drive into town there's spots we
Speaker 3: go through where I lose signal on my phone. And
Speaker 3: it's because, like you said, they're not going to spend
Speaker 3: one hundred and two hundred, five hundred thousand dollars to
Speaker 3: put in a tower to serve one hundred people right.
Speaker 5: Right, And a lot of the five gen through network
Speaker 5: because I was working on five G and doing the
Speaker 5: testing and put in Portland for a company. I was
Speaker 5: doing it downtown. I did a lot of the pretesting
Speaker 5: because they always put out to the most populated places
Speaker 5: when we get new technology. So I was working a
Speaker 5: lot of that, and they were the plans were to
Speaker 5: put more intennas, more places, and and you know because
Speaker 5: because the footprints smaller, you know, you know, with with
Speaker 5: that technology. But but uh, you know, every everything has
Speaker 5: to be I mean, there's so much that you have
Speaker 5: to prove. You know, even a capacity site, the capacity site,
Speaker 5: which could be one of the fastest ones that get
Speaker 5: approved and get put in there is still going to
Speaker 5: be year year longer. You know, I still say it's
Speaker 5: sell in that year two years for for MINIUA site.
Speaker 5: So it took a lot to do to do that. Now,
Speaker 5: one of the things that I was doing, you know
Speaker 5: when a signal, you know, a single signal gets out
Speaker 5: all over the place. When I was because you know,
Speaker 5: there's you know, everything is you know how they always
Speaker 5: you know, you have different groups doing doing different things
Speaker 5: in all these different companies and everything everything is, everything
Speaker 5: is kept. You know, we we work on this, someone
Speaker 5: else works on someone else. Everyone works on a little
Speaker 5: piece piece of the of the pie and puzzle. And
Speaker 5: then you have a project manager that brings everything together
Speaker 5: when we were working on on cell sites over and
Speaker 5: over in Idaho, and I was at one end of
Speaker 5: Idaho to the next, and I was getting you know,
Speaker 5: I was running all these propagation loots. I would tell
Speaker 5: my senior engineers, you know what, I don't know why
Speaker 5: I'm getting interference over here, I said. I said, this
Speaker 5: is up over here by close to Yellowstone, interference way
Speaker 5: over here, almost Boise. And I said, it's all it's
Speaker 5: line of sight. Look at the height of the tower,
Speaker 5: she says, while your signals get in and I can
Speaker 5: see it on the plot. And I said, but what
Speaker 5: about curature of the earth. And because it's line of sight,
Speaker 5: you know, you're a line of sight with the curvature
Speaker 5: that it should be. It should be way overshooting. I
Speaker 5: shouldn't see it. It would be so degragated by the
Speaker 5: time I would get beyond there that I shouldn't see it.
Speaker 5: In fact, it should be so degragated by the time
Speaker 5: it gets sore that it should a interphere. It should
Speaker 5: be a strongest server. You know. You know, if we're
Speaker 5: to interfere, you know, when you're reaching in there and
Speaker 5: you're getting something that has the same channel assigned to
Speaker 5: it as something that's coming in or for more long distance,
Speaker 5: it shouldn't be. It should be coming in there and
Speaker 5: being the strongest, being the strongest server, you know, from
Speaker 5: from two hundred miles away, and being a strongest server,
Speaker 5: and and and try to take over my handoffs.
Speaker 3: But it was doing that, George, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: So I asked these questions all the time, like how
Speaker 5: is it going over there? And you know, because they
Speaker 5: don't say, oh the cursion, yeah.
Speaker 3: I know in the Ham radio world they claim.
Speaker 5: But now now I know, Now I know that it
Speaker 5: can interfere because because that's flat yep.
Speaker 3: In the Ham radio world they claim, Uh, the ionosphere, right,
Speaker 3: we're bouncing radio signal off the honosphere. I wonder if
Speaker 3: it's really the firmament that we're bouncing off of.
Speaker 5: Oh there there they That's that was the other thing
Speaker 5: that I was just reading about that the other day. Now,
Speaker 5: how how the how they're saying, how how they're how
Speaker 5: instead of putting a satellite up, that's what they're trying
Speaker 5: to do, is the bouncing. They're saying, they're bouncing it
Speaker 5: off the amosphere. You can't it's it's got it's gotta
Speaker 5: be something solid. It has to be something solid. I
Speaker 5: bounce it off a satellite then or maybe the balloon
Speaker 5: it's attached to.
Speaker 3: We're down to our last few minutes. I wanted to
Speaker 3: make sure I got in, uh, your your six silver bullets,
Speaker 3: your your little elevator.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, okay, gosh, we didn't even get to ninety eleven.
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have a chance. Yeah, intriguing, Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: let me let me, let me get to my my
Speaker 5: syrup both well, I have I have six plus six
Speaker 5: plus silver bullets there. Okay, I'll try. I'll try to
Speaker 5: go to go to these sort of quick time for
Speaker 5: some of the things there. Okay. The biggest and the
Speaker 5: most obvious one I think is is the amount of
Speaker 5: attention that is that has been given to divert people
Speaker 5: from finding out the truth with with governments, companies, everything.
Speaker 5: And I think I mentioned that a little bit before.
Speaker 5: They just so much that they put out there. They
Speaker 5: put they put the speeches, of videos, documents, the podcast.
Speaker 5: You know, all these people like you Barack Obama saying,
Speaker 5: I was saying, don't, don't don't research the flatter society
Speaker 5: as he's got a symbol of the you know, that
Speaker 5: the flatter symbol on the front of his podium. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, you know, it's it's amazing how
Speaker 5: they do this stuff right in front of us. Just incredible.
Speaker 5: My my second one is definitely we can we can
Speaker 5: see too far as I see that with my with
Speaker 5: things I do with my camera, the lazy light tests,
Speaker 5: the your your your p nine hundred nine and one
Speaker 5: thousand cameras, how you can you can zoom in and
Speaker 5: out of things, and you know, something can dis pueror horizon,
Speaker 5: you can zoom into it. I saw that with ships
Speaker 5: that we even even with the when the older models
Speaker 5: of that, I think it's P five five eighty or
Speaker 5: something like that. Way down the line, it would be
Speaker 5: one of those big, big ships. So they went in
Speaker 5: a story with the wife and said said, look that
Speaker 5: that ship's just about outside there, and she says it's
Speaker 5: I guess going on the curve. And then I zoom
Speaker 5: in and I say, oh, there's no curve. Look at
Speaker 5: all the water behind it. You know. Yeah. I was
Speaker 5: sort of onto it, but never really gave it the
Speaker 5: give it the attention s technologies. My third one is
Speaker 5: the oxygen. We wouldn't be able to breathe, you know.
Speaker 5: I was also that's one thing I did before too,
Speaker 5: is as a scuba diver for a lot of years.
Speaker 5: Also probably where you know that in conjunction with noisy
Speaker 5: work environments and and uh loud concert concert music when
Speaker 5: you talk about music for two hours.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He's also love playing guitar and musician too. But almost
Speaker 5: every engineer is you sort given the oxygen, I mean
Speaker 5: you have to keep you have to contain it. It's
Speaker 5: not just going to go out. It would just all
Speaker 5: disappear out into out into space. In it. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean you can't go you can't just I can't
Speaker 5: spray oxygen from a from a ta in and spray
Speaker 5: into the water and then go scuba diving. I have
Speaker 5: to have it contained in a tank. So everything, you know,
Speaker 5: whenever it's a gas, it's light, it floats up and
Speaker 5: it dissippeates. The flight pass flight pass are massive, big
Speaker 5: thing if you if you go and go and look
Speaker 5: at the flight pass. We've got my wife and I've
Speaker 5: gone to gone to Europe, and the flight pass are
Speaker 5: you know, one of the biggest things. When you look
Speaker 5: at the commercial airlines, you can just you can just
Speaker 5: go on there and just start booking flights from from
Speaker 5: South America to South Africa, and go and go and
Speaker 5: see where they where they make your hop at your
Speaker 5: hops always going to be like in the Middle East
Speaker 5: or something cross equator twice or somewhere like that. Yep,
Speaker 5: it makes absolutely no sense. The and then of course
Speaker 5: the biblical descriptions God tells us you know it, you know,
Speaker 5: I was. I was reading the to my toe one
Speaker 5: of my sisters, well, my sisters the other day. I
Speaker 5: was reading it to her, and I read about how
Speaker 5: God plays the sun the stars and the sun the
Speaker 5: moon of the stars in the firmament. He placed them
Speaker 5: all the ferment. And I said, why why why would
Speaker 5: God say son and stars? Science says the stars are son.
Speaker 5: You know, it's you know, and God, God makes makes
Speaker 5: a distinction of it. So then my sister says, she
Speaker 5: started saying all the stuff that was to go and
Speaker 5: confirm her her personal belief. She was just repeating what
Speaker 5: she has heard from scientists or from that that one
Speaker 5: preacher Giglio. There's got Giglio that she listened to all
Speaker 5: the time. She mentioned that that talks about space and
Speaker 5: all that stuff. And she's saying, she's saying, oh, they
Speaker 5: are sons, you know, they they they they The stars
Speaker 5: lose their their light over times, and sometimes all we
Speaker 5: see is a light of burnt out stars or burnt
Speaker 5: out suns. And I went and said, well, God, God
Speaker 5: wouldn't God would just say sons? Why would he? Why
Speaker 5: would he add stars to it? You know? So you know,
Speaker 5: you know you have to sort of look at little
Speaker 5: things like that. But you know, I was reading that
Speaker 5: to with her, and she finally said, you know, I
Speaker 5: think we're going to have to maybe we shouldn't talk
Speaker 5: for a while, she says, She says, she says, I'm
Speaker 5: more here, you know, reading the Bible with you, but
Speaker 5: you can't, you can't decipher the truth out of it.
Speaker 5: And I said, I'm not the one adding anything to it.
Speaker 5: You're adding something to it and telling me that it's
Speaker 5: true because of all this additional information. I'm saying, reading
Speaker 5: it as as as it is. And then she says, well,
Speaker 5: but I'm one hundred percent right. And I just thought,
Speaker 5: whenever anyone says or one hundred percent right, I think
Speaker 5: start start running nobody right.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: I've never been one hundred percent in my life it's
Speaker 5: just you know, okay, number can I go on just
Speaker 5: a couple, a couple more. I've got got NASA virtually
Speaker 5: everything coming out of Allen is lie uh seven seven?
Speaker 5: The blue skies, You got blue skies?
Speaker 3: Do you think that's the water?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 5: The blue skies? The water behind the firmament would make
Speaker 5: it blue. Otherwise it should just be black up there.
Speaker 5: NASA says space is black, so white, wouldn't it be black?
Speaker 5: Gravity for all intense purposes, you know, can't you can't.
Speaker 5: Can't have it affecting uh, you know, heavy objects and
Speaker 5: then insects at the same time. It's like, you know,
Speaker 5: gravity just is does is? You know, it's it's just
Speaker 5: another contradiction that makes you think, okay, okay, you know
Speaker 5: the Earth is what is? Water is always level. Everyone
Speaker 5: says that.
Speaker 3: It's the.
Speaker 5: Sun, the moon, the ever square law. You wouldn't you
Speaker 5: know if they were flying to the Moon, it would
Speaker 5: be too bright for them to land on. They would
Speaker 5: they would they wouldn't even with sunglasses, you wouldn't be
Speaker 5: able to stand the brightness up on the moon.
Speaker 3: The intensity of a quantity decreases as the distance from
Speaker 3: its source increases, so it would be vice versa heading in. Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 5: Yep. You know a lot of people say how how
Speaker 5: it is when it gets our eyes, But it would
Speaker 5: be so darn bright even even traveling halfway to it,
Speaker 5: if it was one hundred and thirty eight thousand miles
Speaker 5: away from us, you know, on the average, hundred thirty
Speaker 5: eight hundred and forty thousand miles, you just you just couldn't.
Speaker 5: You could even they you know, all these shots where
Speaker 5: they show them heading in towards it, and it's just
Speaker 5: looks it looks the same brightness as it does when
Speaker 5: we're here. That's just it's another contradiction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way you just walk around on supposedly
Speaker 3: the rock that reflects the light of the evening right right,
Speaker 3: and be walking and be walking on a trillion watt
Speaker 3: flashlight looking into it. It would just blind you. That's
Speaker 3: a great point. We're not sure that that has been
Speaker 3: brought up so much.
Speaker 5: Yep, Yep.
Speaker 3: I'll give you one more. I'll give you time for
Speaker 3: one more, and then.
Speaker 5: We have to go okay, okay, oh okay. People have
Speaker 5: said rainbows, I'll just say clouds. I'll say clouds, clouds,
Speaker 5: clouds when they when they when they when they move? Okay,
Speaker 5: they sign says that the Earth moves with clouds, well
Speaker 5: the suns that the Okay, if if the atmosphere is
Speaker 5: moving with the Earth as a spinning over a thousand
Speaker 5: miles an hour, and and if if it's if it's spinning,
Speaker 5: it would be spinning. You know, the Sun's coming up
Speaker 5: in the east, so the so the Earth would be
Speaker 5: spinning towards it. How can clouds be traveling the opposite direction?
Speaker 3: And how are they even staying in place? When gravitation
Speaker 3: they're staying in place? Right that one?
Speaker 5: How is it same place?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, But how.
Speaker 5: Could how could they be going in the opposite direction
Speaker 5: and not be uh you know, not be noticing the
Speaker 5: speed of it?
Speaker 3: So well, I'm sure Professor Geor has the answer. We'll
Speaker 3: just ask him. Brian, this has been an absolute pleasure
Speaker 3: and we need to do it again, whether it be
Speaker 3: here on the other podcast. I'd love to have you
Speaker 3: back here wealth of Information and uh.
Speaker 5: Great, yeah, I think I got through a couple of
Speaker 5: pages of notes.
Speaker 3: Nine more to go. We'll get to them. Yes, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining us, and thanks especially for
Speaker 3: sharing your father's story. Sounds like a like you said,
Speaker 3: a great father and a great man and you know,
Speaker 3: challenging you to to question everything. Certainly I'm sure helped
Speaker 3: you in your journey through life. So again, thanks again.
Speaker 3: We'll be in touch and let's do it again soon, sir.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and to our listeners. I do have Brian's
Speaker 3: email address will be in the show notes, so if
Speaker 3: you'd like to reach out to them, you can certainly
Speaker 3: send him an email and connect that way. For Brian,
Speaker 3: I'm George. Thank you all so much for your continued
Speaker 3: support of this podcast. I hope everyone has a wonderful week.
Speaker 3: God bless all those who are in harm's way, and
Speaker 3: you all take care of yourself. And until the next
Speaker 3: time we meet my friends, we will see it.
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