Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Deplorable Jane and today bringing Mac my
Speaker 1: bestie Westy. Miss Heidi. How are you doing today, darling?
Speaker 2: Wonderful, wonderful. I won't use fabulous because you are fabulous everybody.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm super excited to talk about what we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about today. Probably gonna get some people's
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the wad, Probably gonna get some hate mail.
Speaker 2: For this, but little bit, little bit of hate butesday.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is purposeful and I want you to really
Speaker 1: think about what we're going to talk about and why
Speaker 1: we're talking about it. Because if you are a listener,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to anybody in the quote unquote conspiracy realm, right,
Speaker 1: and you are one who partakes in a little side
Speaker 1: entertainment as far as mushrooms or weed or any of
Speaker 1: the stuff, but your conspiracy theorist yourself, and you're really
Speaker 1: not on board with pharma. You don't like drugs that
Speaker 1: come from pharma, you don't like the medical industrial complex,
Speaker 1: but you're okay with DNA genetically modified, genetically altered for
Speaker 1: an all time super duper high recreational drugs.
Speaker 2: Yes, And as far as me, I was super excited
Speaker 2: to do this because this hit my family in an
Speaker 2: extremely personal way. And we'll get to it when we
Speaker 2: get to it. But this is real. And if you
Speaker 2: don't think they co opt the drug market.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, And I can tell you from being
Speaker 1: in the medical field. I have a very good friend
Speaker 1: who was also a podcaster, has been for quite a
Speaker 1: long time. He works in the clinical trial area of pharma.
Speaker 1: They have been working on genetically modified cybucillin drugs to
Speaker 1: market to the public for ten fifteen years or more.
Speaker 2: So this is not new.
Speaker 1: But I want to raid you this little little intro
Speaker 1: because it struck me. Okay, so what if the mushrooms
Speaker 1: you just took didn't come from the forest floor but
Speaker 1: from a lab. What if the cannabis you smoked wasn't
Speaker 1: grown under the sun, but fermented in a tank of
Speaker 1: genetically modified yeast. Gross We're going to dive into a
Speaker 1: topic that's futuristic as it is agent DNA altered drugs,
Speaker 1: from mushrooms to marijuana to lab made LSD. The biotech
Speaker 1: broom or boom is rewriting what we think of as
Speaker 1: quote natural substances. But here's the dark side who owns
Speaker 1: this medicine? As we're creating a future where big Pharma
Speaker 1: patents the spirit of mushrooms, where ancient plant allies are
Speaker 1: stripped of their culture, their consciousness replaced with sterile lab versions.
Speaker 1: So think about that for just a moment, and how
Speaker 1: these things are studied. Do we have long term safety
Speaker 1: and efficacy studies on these mutated strands that have been
Speaker 1: made mainstream for everyone? Are there studies that show what
Speaker 1: it does to the brain or what it does to
Speaker 1: the body over a long period of time?
Speaker 3: The answer is no.
Speaker 1: So if you wouldn't take a drug from big Pharma
Speaker 1: that hasn't been tested, why would you take the recreational
Speaker 1: version that also has not been tested well?
Speaker 2: And the person that pushed recreational mushrooms, I would say
Speaker 2: the explosion anyway of pushing of mushrooms was Andrea Poohaic
Speaker 2: and Andrea Poohrrick in nineteen fifty nine published a book
Speaker 2: called The Sacred Mushroom, and it became this very woo
Speaker 2: woo hippie blah blah blah. Bye, just fyi, Cia, just fyi.
Speaker 2: Stanford research in Jmudra.
Speaker 3: Interesting connection there.
Speaker 2: It's always like that, who was.
Speaker 1: It that ran all of these psychological experiments on our
Speaker 1: population with LSD and all of those kind of things.
Speaker 2: The Grateful Dead? Oh no, jk.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, probably part two. But but they've been a
Speaker 1: part of that history for a long time. And so
Speaker 1: you don't know who all works in those three letter agencies.
Speaker 1: You don't know how far the tentacles reach, but they've
Speaker 1: made it to the point, especially with marijuana farming, right
Speaker 1: that you can't get it in your neighbor's backyard anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: you have to get it from a licensed grower. And
Speaker 1: you you know that's the thing, and so there is
Speaker 1: no I call it skunk weed whatever people have.
Speaker 3: In wag or whatever it used to be.
Speaker 1: But there was literally only one strand back in the day, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, we have altered that to the point
Speaker 1: where they use crisper CAST nine technology, which is basically
Speaker 1: genetic scissors. And what it does you use it to
Speaker 1: cut out whatever part you don't want to replace it
Speaker 1: with something that you do. So for people who don't
Speaker 1: understand that, think about this. Dog breeders started using this
Speaker 1: crisper technology, and say you had a breed of dog
Speaker 1: like a German shepherd that it was common for them
Speaker 1: to have hip dysplasia. They would genetically alter that piece
Speaker 1: of DEE. They would cut out that piece and replace
Speaker 1: it with new DNA. So you're merging two types of DNA.
Speaker 1: That's like merging humans with mice or cows or dogs
Speaker 1: or whatever. So they're replacing this particular part on the
Speaker 1: German shepherd so that it breeds a stronger breed of dog.
Speaker 1: They're doing the exact same thing with mushrooms, so cybacillin
Speaker 1: and the other types of mushrooms that they grow different
Speaker 1: strands of marijuana, And what they're doing is to lengthen
Speaker 1: the amount of THHC you find in the plant length,
Speaker 1: in the amount of the length of the time for
Speaker 1: the high all of these things through genetic mutation. And
Speaker 1: what are they using to genetically modify these plants with
Speaker 1: is my question.
Speaker 2: And it went in the nineties just for people. No,
Speaker 2: there's numbers behind what Janet is saying. In nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: the average joint had three point five percent THHC and
Speaker 2: now it has over sixteen percent, upwards of twenty percent,
Speaker 2: and that was in twenty twenty. They're not even telling
Speaker 2: us anymore, that's five years ago. That's I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Got to guarantee you it's more than that. And I
Speaker 1: think you and I talked about this before, but.
Speaker 3: Quite a while ago.
Speaker 1: My daughter was like, you never do this with me.
Speaker 1: Take one hit And I'm like, no, that's not my thing.
Speaker 1: Don't like it, don't want to. She kept on, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, one hit. It literally paralyzed me. It
Speaker 1: was not a pleasant high. I could not move my
Speaker 1: arms or legs. I could not get up, I could
Speaker 1: not stand. And so if you think about like we
Speaker 1: talked about before, that there's no one size fits all
Speaker 1: as far as diet or treatment regimens or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So they're making these uber strong strands that are available
Speaker 1: to the public or in brownie form and gummy form,
Speaker 1: you know, joint form, whatever. And so how that affects
Speaker 1: each percentage of the population that's not known either, that's
Speaker 1: not tested. And so is it like the street drugs
Speaker 1: where they have made like you know, fentanyl and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, where it is so strong that literally one
Speaker 1: dose could actually kill someone.
Speaker 2: Right, And and why would they think of it this way? Guys?
Speaker 2: Number one? And why would a drug dealer want to
Speaker 2: kill the person that buys from them, right, that's that's
Speaker 2: not the drug dealer. Sorry, I say, this is all
Speaker 2: co opted. And if if you don't know that, you
Speaker 2: might want to look at Vietnam and what that was
Speaker 2: really about, because it wasn't about what they told you.
Speaker 2: It was about an opium or you know, other drugs
Speaker 2: have been at the heart of a lot of this
Speaker 2: for as long as time has been. But we see
Speaker 2: these things taken over and we saw it with you know,
Speaker 2: fake weed that came out that was super dangerous and poisonous.
Speaker 2: We see this all the time, introduced and controlled into society.
Speaker 2: Buy three letter agencies, sorry to say, and everybody buys it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, why And that's the thing that's like in
Speaker 1: the opening when we talked about, yeah, you don't trust pharma,
Speaker 1: you don't trust the government, but you trust this which
Speaker 1: is still made by pharma by the government. Because natural
Speaker 1: herbal plant growth has been co opted and genetically modified
Speaker 1: being used. Even when you were talking about opium, they
Speaker 1: are also growing opium in a lab in peatri dishes
Speaker 1: so that they don't ever have to use the poppy.
Speaker 1: So they're using mold fungus, and God only knows what else.
Speaker 1: I mean, they use the scum off of sewage plants
Speaker 1: to make spices. So how healthy is that for the
Speaker 1: human body? And what does that do to us?
Speaker 2: And even if you say I do it myself, I
Speaker 2: grow it myself. Cool story, bro, where'd you get the seed?
Speaker 2: Where'd you get the seeds? Because if you got the
Speaker 2: seeds from some kind of you know, like legal way,
Speaker 2: it is not a seed you think it is.
Speaker 1: Right, and you can get arrested for growing it because
Speaker 1: you don't have a license.
Speaker 3: That's regulated by who the government, Yes, the government is
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 1: And now we have like Congress people who are investing
Speaker 1: in weight growers and.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And so you know that there's dark, dirty money involved
Speaker 1: if if our own quote unquote elected selected however you
Speaker 1: want to say it, officials are taking out stock or
Speaker 1: buying into weight growers or mushroom growers or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, and the fact that we know, you know, Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 2: I wasn't kidding about the Grateful Dead. You know, this
Speaker 2: was co opted. This was a big experiment on people.
Speaker 2: And if you think that the government wouldn't do that
Speaker 2: to you, you might want to look at some history
Speaker 2: there because they would.
Speaker 3: And what was it.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Operation Midnight, Yes, that the CIA
Speaker 1: ran where they were taking like hookers off of the
Speaker 1: street and giving them like LSD and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then they would bring a john back to a
Speaker 1: hotel that had like the two way thing where they
Speaker 1: could watch and so the hooker would give the john
Speaker 1: the tainted LSD and watch the effects and stuff. So
Speaker 1: how many of these because we know all throughout our
Speaker 1: history they've done all kinds of crazy ass psychological experiments
Speaker 1: on our people right in different forms or another, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them involve drugs. So can you imagine
Speaker 1: mass scale with the surveillance techniques that they have nowadays,
Speaker 1: how many people they are actually surveilling under a new
Speaker 1: experimentation that they're running and people in fact, yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't even know they're being experimented.
Speaker 2: On the fact that they legalized it. It just shows
Speaker 2: you what their hand was like. Okay, yes, I understand
Speaker 2: that this can help people. I'm not completely against it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we're going to talk about some really
Speaker 2: severe side effects for overuse. Misuse. It's like anything take
Speaker 2: too much benegerl and see what happened. Righty, it's not
Speaker 2: a good day. Okay, Like we could talk about even
Speaker 2: add like all these things that can kill you, but
Speaker 2: people are notorious for one as good. Twenty is better
Speaker 2: and I need it, so I'm going to take it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's just you know, sometimes we have to even
Speaker 2: look at the receptors. Like me and Janet we're talking
Speaker 2: about this. You know, you can only feed so much
Speaker 2: into your system. Yet you will see people consistently constantly
Speaker 2: be either smoking or having something in your mouth. Look,
Speaker 2: you guys need to look up oral fixation. It's a
Speaker 2: real thing. It is, so many people have it. If
Speaker 2: you bite your nails, you're orally fixated. If you bite
Speaker 2: your tongue or or grind your teeth or whatever, it's.
Speaker 3: The inside of your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like you're some kind but just something. Right.
Speaker 2: We have to work with what we have. We can't
Speaker 2: help that that happened. It forms before the age of five.
Speaker 2: You're not going to most likely break the habit. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying you can't, but it's a hard one. It's
Speaker 2: a hard one to right.
Speaker 1: You have to be very, very extremely conscious of your
Speaker 1: actions before you go in and that's why a lot
Speaker 1: of people like who are smokers and they stop smoking,
Speaker 1: they have to have a sucker or something like that,
Speaker 1: because it's that fixation like Heidi's talking about, where you
Speaker 1: have to do something with your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes, man, you know I get it now always but
Speaker 2: right yeah, I'm always twisting my hair, fidgeting with my
Speaker 2: ADHD and I or shaking my head like I get it.
Speaker 2: I am the epitome of all of those things. But
Speaker 2: we have to find a less harmful thing because if
Speaker 2: you want to participate in these substances, and we're going
Speaker 2: to give you the information about who should who shouldn't,
Speaker 2: probably and you can make that choice from there, but
Speaker 2: you need to be responsible.
Speaker 1: It's just like drinking, right Like you can't just be
Speaker 1: And this is not I hope people know this is
Speaker 1: not a judgment show by any means. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to bring information and what people do with that is
Speaker 1: their own thing. But like these things have been used
Speaker 1: for centuries right in are euvedic medicine and things like that,
Speaker 1: and so they use like ayahuasca and ceremonies, peyote. The
Speaker 1: new thing is iboga and and you know different types
Speaker 1: of mushrooms and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But they were done.
Speaker 1: In in agent healing rituals, right, and so it was
Speaker 1: things to heal like Indian cultures and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Did a lot of these things, Sweat lodges and stuff
Speaker 1: where they use certain substances or even herbs can be
Speaker 1: used as well to promote natural wellness and natural healing.
Speaker 1: So when you genetically alter something that occurs naturally, are
Speaker 1: you getting the same benefits out of that?
Speaker 2: And are we.
Speaker 1: Co opting ancient ceremonies that were done for for healing
Speaker 1: of mind, body, and spirit. Are we co opting that
Speaker 1: to now use it as an instant gratification and a
Speaker 1: feel good situation.
Speaker 2: Abstely And they've done this with things that aren't even
Speaker 2: a feel good thing. They've done with with scopalamine. They've
Speaker 2: done this with weird things that you're like, why are
Speaker 2: they doing that? Right? Like why is the CIA involved
Speaker 2: in a scopalamine study in the middle of Barunda Agana
Speaker 2: something like that? Like right, Look, they've been playing with
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, And for people who don't know, like scopolamine are
Speaker 1: little tiny patches that they put like behind your ear
Speaker 1: for motion sickness. So if people that were taking cruises
Speaker 1: and stuff back in the day. They would give them
Speaker 1: an order of scopolamine patches to take on their cruise.
Speaker 1: Their short term usage. It's not meant to be a
Speaker 1: long term thing. But because of the benefits that they
Speaker 1: saw from treading motion sickness. Heidie's right, they were using
Speaker 1: this and altering it for a high and what can
Speaker 1: we get people to snort this? And people were doing it,
Speaker 1: which I don't understand, and.
Speaker 2: It stops your memories. I mean, like this is the
Speaker 2: now of the ketamine craze, right right right. I mean
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's not a time and place, Okay,
Speaker 2: not saying that. I am saying you have to use
Speaker 2: the brain that you have, because if you don't, you
Speaker 2: may not have that anymore. I'm being serious.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's true, and what you said is spot on,
Speaker 1: and especially with using not just pharmaceuticals but these kind
Speaker 1: of things as well, and without there being long term
Speaker 1: studies on you know what it does to the human body,
Speaker 1: because you can do all the studies you want in
Speaker 1: rats or mice or whatever, and they're known to be
Speaker 1: carcinogens or neurotoxic or whatever. Oh, but you know, humans
Speaker 1: are bigger, so it must be okay, we'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and use it. It's generally accepted as safe, right, It's
Speaker 1: the grass standard.
Speaker 2: And why on earth did they know? They knew these things?
Speaker 2: And this is extremely personal to me. This is why
Speaker 2: me and Janet started having this discussion, is because I
Speaker 2: shared with her and my step son has given me
Speaker 2: the go ahead to go and share this story. But
Speaker 2: you know, underneath a ser age, which is twenty five
Speaker 2: most of the time women sometimes their brain is fully
Speaker 2: developed a little earlier, but twenty five is the gold standard.
Speaker 2: And if you do this at an early age, you
Speaker 2: can have a serious risk, especially now with the concentration
Speaker 2: of the weed that we're talking about, you can go
Speaker 2: into psychosis. And I'm going to tell you, guys, this
Speaker 2: happened to my son and he did not come out
Speaker 2: of it. And I'm not talking about for a week
Speaker 2: or a day or a month. It took over a
Speaker 2: year and he had to be institutionalized. And I was
Speaker 2: finally the one, which I was scared to death to
Speaker 2: do this because I didn't want to say anything. But
Speaker 2: he wasn't home, like, he wasn't showering, he wasn't he
Speaker 2: wore the same shirt for a full year, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you watched it occasionally, or maybe he didn't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really know changed. He was a vibrant, brilliant
Speaker 2: and when I say brilliant, I mean top of his
Speaker 2: class in a gifted program, and just super smart, played hockey.
Speaker 2: He was just super good at all these things. Anything
Speaker 2: he's ever tried to do, boom, he can just do it.
Speaker 2: And it was the saddest thing I've ever seen, let
Speaker 2: alone my husband. He didn't even know what to do
Speaker 2: with that. If I hadn't been a nurse that's involved
Speaker 2: in mental health, I'm scared that he wouldn't have got
Speaker 2: the treatment he needed because just not because his parents
Speaker 2: didn't love him or whatever, they just didn't understand what
Speaker 2: was happening right at all. Yeah, And so finally when
Speaker 2: we did figure out like this is because we could
Speaker 2: not figure it out, because I mean, it's just a
Speaker 2: little weed. Who cares, right, It's just a little weed.
Speaker 2: And then he took mushrooms a couple of times on
Speaker 2: the weekends and he was still had this high dose
Speaker 2: of THHC. He was a chronics poker of it, and
Speaker 2: that was it. Everybody says he had you been doing
Speaker 2: acid or something, and I'm like, no, there are studies
Speaker 2: about this, and he is still to this day he
Speaker 2: goes to like AA and everything because of weed, and
Speaker 2: people can laugh all day long. I don't care like
Speaker 2: it ruined his life. It ruined his life. He wasn't
Speaker 2: even talking like it was like he was watching TV
Speaker 2: with no TV, like really involved in a something, and
Speaker 2: just whoop, he was gone. And so we were.
Speaker 1: Like almost kind of like, let me ask you this
Speaker 1: just to clarify for people. So was it almost like
Speaker 1: he was having like vocal seizures?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, he was so checked out that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: You would almost have to shake him like you do
Speaker 2: with people that have those. And it was really scary
Speaker 2: knowing now what I know that this actually causes for
Speaker 2: certain people. Like maybe you're the lucky person that doesn't
Speaker 2: have this or whatever, but there are a certain percentage,
Speaker 2: especially of teenagers. And they know this and have known
Speaker 2: this since the sixties by doing actual IV testing with
Speaker 2: marijuana to do like these huge doses, and so they've
Speaker 2: known this for a while that this really affects the youth,
Speaker 2: especially boys, and so they knew that it can bring
Speaker 2: on really intense schizophrenia and or bipolar and or cause it.
Speaker 3: Right like, but but how beneficial is that.
Speaker 1: Knowing that they know this because they've ran the experiments,
Speaker 1: is doctor Prouchi, So they knowingly did this and then
Speaker 1: they target who they target kids. It's a fun, fun
Speaker 1: recreational drug, right and then what are they doing. They're
Speaker 1: creating more life and legalize it lifelong pharma customers. Because
Speaker 1: this damaged your brain cells so bad, because it's disrupted
Speaker 1: the neural pathways in your brain. The synapses aren't firing
Speaker 1: like they're supposed to. The the myelener that are protecting
Speaker 1: your you know, your synaptic sheets, those are degenerating. And
Speaker 1: so what you get bipolar, you get schizophrena, you get
Speaker 1: all of these brain disorders that are only what treatable
Speaker 1: by big pharma drugs.
Speaker 2: Right, well, and it's a lifelong commitment to farma hundreds
Speaker 2: and you've got studies that pro this. So for people
Speaker 2: that think we're just absolutely full of it. The Danish
Speaker 2: study that they did on cannabis use disorders like this
Speaker 2: where they've gone and had these problems come out of
Speaker 2: it with youth, they did over thirteen million people that
Speaker 2: they tested. So this wasn't a small study.
Speaker 3: This is definitely not a United States type study.
Speaker 2: No, Nope, Danish. It went from three point seven percent
Speaker 2: in the typical before you know, to ten point three
Speaker 2: percent for actual long term serious mental disorders. There's also
Speaker 2: another one in Canada eleveny teens. It showed the significant
Speaker 2: increase of risk of psychiatric disorders mainly normally bipolar and
Speaker 2: schizophrenia at like a serious level, not like a little bit.
Speaker 2: It went from it went from that to elevenfold for teenagers. Elevenfold.
Speaker 1: Well, and why it's that because teenagers brains are still
Speaker 1: trying to develop, and so especially when you're inserting a
Speaker 1: substance that messes with those neural pathways and the pathways
Speaker 1: are still trying to form.
Speaker 3: What does that do.
Speaker 1: It stops that, It shuts off that growth, It inhibits
Speaker 1: it completely, so that you're relying on this and then
Speaker 1: it's like anything, right, you can't have just one pringle.
Speaker 1: You have to eat the whole hands. So you can't
Speaker 1: have just one joint and be happy. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to continually up your dosage. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: we have so many people that we know today who
Speaker 1: literally like every five minutes, they have to be doing
Speaker 1: that because that's the only way that they quote unquote
Speaker 1: feel the effects is if they're continually smoking.
Speaker 2: Right, and then you see them not treat This is
Speaker 2: the other bad part. Trying to get him help for
Speaker 2: weed addiction, right was the nightmare thing. Right, No, And
Speaker 2: so they they basically laughed at us, us everywhere we
Speaker 2: would talk to them, but he was literally suffering and
Speaker 2: still craving that. And they have proven that even jama
Speaker 2: studies at this point have proven and this I have
Speaker 2: it's actually American medicine. Oh sorry, yep, I always forget
Speaker 2: that they have proven that an increase in your cannabis use,
Speaker 2: so increased dose like this, higher amount, increase risk immediate.
Speaker 2: They've even correlated it and they still allow it. Look,
Speaker 2: we don't let kids drink for a reason, do they
Speaker 2: do it? Yeah? But this has looked at so differently,
Speaker 2: Like you know, the way he got it was through
Speaker 2: a family member, and that that family member did not
Speaker 2: ever I'm sure think that this would be any big
Speaker 2: deal because it's just a little weed, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, just a little weed to call your nerves or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I want to I'm going to throw this out
Speaker 1: there because the people that I talk to on a
Speaker 1: regular basis, especially people with addiction, this becomes their favorite crutch.
Speaker 1: I can't create without it, I can't think without it.
Speaker 1: I can't xyz without it. So you are automatically having
Speaker 1: that one hundred percent craving control in your brain telling
Speaker 1: you your subconscious is saying you basically cannot function or
Speaker 1: do anything without me, So you have to use me.
Speaker 1: Oh you're anxious, use me. Oh you're sick, use me.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't you know you are eating too much,
Speaker 1: you don't want to eat at all, Oh you're whatever, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 1: It's always an excuse because it shuts off that common
Speaker 1: sense that comes from your neural pathways.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they want you to believe that and let
Speaker 2: alone your emotional or for me, you know, like outside
Speaker 2: sources of attacks. Like I'm Christian, so I believe that
Speaker 2: it opens up just like alcohol. I'm not demonizing one
Speaker 2: over the other, and I'm saying, yeah, I don't drink ever,
Speaker 2: I don't smoke pot because it makes me psychotic. I
Speaker 2: tried it twice, and twice was good enough for me
Speaker 2: to say, Yep, that's not for me. That for me,
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the hospital, you know, like
Speaker 2: it was that bad and it doesn't matter for me,
Speaker 2: like when I ate it or smoked it whatever. Psychotic,
Speaker 2: complete psychosist. So is that because I have PTSD and
Speaker 2: people need to know that if you have these certain things,
Speaker 2: they think, like you said, that's going to help them.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Right, And why is that?
Speaker 1: Because especially people that do like the ayahuasca ceremonies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Right, speaking of other entities entering your body.
Speaker 1: So when Native Americans were using this in ceremonies in
Speaker 1: the sweat lodges and stuff, it is literally to talk
Speaker 1: to their ancestors or to get guidance from ancestor type people.
Speaker 1: Ayahuasca ceremonies are sold to the public as ceremonies that
Speaker 1: will open you up, right, open up your personality and
Speaker 1: reveal what your purpose is. Okay, So think about that
Speaker 1: ancient times talking to relatives now opening you up to
Speaker 1: reveal whatever. So when we're at our weakest, whether it's
Speaker 1: during one of these ceremonies, whether we're emotionally unwell for
Speaker 1: other circumstances, whatever it is, that is when you are
Speaker 1: more susceptible to an attack from a spiritual enemy.
Speaker 2: So they call them familiar spirits. Why do they call
Speaker 2: them that? And they look like your grandma?
Speaker 1: And why is that though? Because Satan is a trickster, right,
Speaker 1: And so dark entities, demons, whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 1: will do the same thing. They'll take the shape of
Speaker 1: something you know that you know that you love. It's
Speaker 1: a tiger, it's you know whatever. And these things attached
Speaker 1: to you during your weakest time. And those things are
Speaker 1: very very difficult to get rid of of.
Speaker 2: Ye because you invited them in, Yeah you did.
Speaker 3: It's like, what is it like?
Speaker 1: You can't like a demon can't get you if you
Speaker 1: don't open the door, right, And that's the same kind
Speaker 1: of situation. So in this state, you're very vulnerable. You
Speaker 1: have all kinds of emotions and things flying around. So
Speaker 1: think about a patient like Heidi said, that has PTSD
Speaker 1: from war or you know, whatever the situation may be.
Speaker 1: You put them in this state, what do you think
Speaker 1: that is going to do to their psyche?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you've got to do it again and again
Speaker 2: and again to keep it then at bay because now
Speaker 2: you've lit this. I mean, I had a really good.
Speaker 3: Third time bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he told me, like, luckily, he said, if
Speaker 2: you are happy, if you have repressed your memories and
Speaker 2: you are not being affected by them at all, you're
Speaker 2: not having unknown anxiety attacks for no reason or whatever
Speaker 2: this thing is. Because I couldn't remember my childhood a
Speaker 2: lot of it. But the stuff I do remember isn't good.
Speaker 2: And he said, if you don't, if you remember that,
Speaker 2: I hate to know what you blocked out. And he's like,
Speaker 2: if it's not affecting your daily life, go, I will
Speaker 2: treat you if you want, but you open it up
Speaker 2: and it's there forever, that's all. Now you have to
Speaker 2: deal with this and so. And I know there's controversies.
Speaker 2: Some people say you can't move on really and truly
Speaker 2: until you figure it out, deal with it, forgive the all.
Speaker 3: That right, until you confront the issue.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a thing with PTSD, especially for military veterans,
Speaker 1: people from home invasions, stuff like that. And it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily like you going and confronting your enemy or the
Speaker 1: person that was trying to shoot you or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: confronting the situation and realizing that in your current state
Speaker 1: you are safe, that situation is done. It's over with.
Speaker 1: You know, we brought it up, we saw the memory.
Speaker 1: But where am I at right now in the space
Speaker 1: that I'm at.
Speaker 2: Am I safe?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm safe?
Speaker 1: Okay, Then I can let go of that memory because
Speaker 1: it happened, it's over, it's in the past, and I'm
Speaker 1: safe now.
Speaker 2: Right, But if you don't have any symptoms, right, like
Speaker 2: I just couldn't remember. And so he's like, honestly, you
Speaker 2: have to make that decision whether you want to have
Speaker 2: to deal with this because it could ruin your life.
Speaker 1: He was right, and stuff like that. Repressed memories are
Speaker 1: super uber painful.
Speaker 2: And why do you do that unless you need to
Speaker 2: do that because you're going through unexplained pts, unexplained you're
Speaker 2: having all these problems. Then yes to that, But why
Speaker 2: open a can of worms? Like he said that you've
Speaker 2: obviously protected yourself from Do you really feel it's that
Speaker 2: necessary to remember going to the zu at ten or something?
Speaker 2: You know? Like right, I waited out. He gave me
Speaker 2: the option, and I definitely decided against it because I
Speaker 2: don't want to retraumatize myself where I'm not currently experiencing
Speaker 2: a thing. If I do in the future, then I will,
Speaker 2: you know, but we don't want to do these things
Speaker 2: at home. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, A lot of times those repressed memories will come
Speaker 1: up when they need to write, and not necessarily when
Speaker 1: when we want them to or when they we think
Speaker 1: they should or whatever. But most people, they're the main goal.
Speaker 1: Getting somebody over PTSD or any kind of trauma like
Speaker 1: is helping them to realize that they are safe and
Speaker 1: they don't have to live as a victim. So if
Speaker 1: you have somebody, especially veterans and stuff, because there's a
Speaker 1: huge push to use you know, genetically modified mushrooms and
Speaker 1: whatever and microdose and where you have to do this
Speaker 1: every day and blah blah blah. Not saying that it
Speaker 1: can't be beneficial for some right, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: no treatment is good for everybody. And if you have
Speaker 1: to be on something like this the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: what is safer to your organs? Right, it's at long
Speaker 1: term dosing with DNA crisper altered stuff that we haven't
Speaker 1: studied to know what the long term effects are or
Speaker 1: is it dealing with whatever emotional trauma it was or
Speaker 1: physical trauma was and getting past that safety marker.
Speaker 2: Well and The fact is is like when you look
Speaker 2: at this stuff, this is highly there's no control over it.
Speaker 2: Right as far as the illegal part, yes, there's control
Speaker 2: in pharmaceuticals. But where do they get it? Do they know?
Speaker 2: Do they even know? You know? Are they co opted
Speaker 2: into the same type of government situation you know? And
Speaker 2: are they getting this from growers that might hate you,
Speaker 2: like in another country that hates us, you know?
Speaker 1: And think about that because like we had talked about
Speaker 1: when we talked about the Pharmact, stuff about generic medications
Speaker 1: and how little of a percentage of the active ingredient
Speaker 1: that has to be in it. Where are ninety percent
Speaker 1: of our generics make overseas China? And so it's no
Speaker 1: different when with situations like this where they're using fungus
Speaker 1: and molds and stuff like that. They literally you can
Speaker 1: buy stuff like that over the internet coming from India, China, Afghanistan, whatever,
Speaker 1: and then they're growing it here or you know, mass
Speaker 1: producing it here from something and a source they don't
Speaker 1: know anything about.
Speaker 3: It's I dare say, in our pharmac system.
Speaker 2: I dare say, this is why they won't pass They
Speaker 2: passed the drug laws state to state, but they don't
Speaker 2: allow it federally because they know they'll get their ass
Speaker 2: suit off because in bringing it in.
Speaker 1: But it's no, it's no different than like you said before,
Speaker 1: Like the Vietnam War is not what it was sold
Speaker 1: as they have pigs.
Speaker 2: Why did they want a panamal canal thing?
Speaker 1: It was about drugs, like all of these things have
Speaker 1: been about drugs. The war in Afghanistan was about drugs,
Speaker 1: Like all all of these things were about drugs. And
Speaker 1: either we are trying to take somebody's drug supply or
Speaker 1: we are trying to supply our drugs to someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the real drug lords. You want to know
Speaker 2: who is the real drug lords? Just look up any
Speaker 2: three lettering exactly.
Speaker 3: Government.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: But it's like and that's why they're so heavily involved
Speaker 1: in this and so heavily involved in in the altering
Speaker 1: and the crisper technology and stuff. Like I said, Congress
Speaker 1: are doing all their giant buy ins and buying stock
Speaker 1: and all these companies and you know, making it so
Speaker 1: it's okay for all of these you know, grow places
Speaker 1: to pop up. But what kind of regulatory action or
Speaker 1: oversight is there for these facilities?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And what if you get some crazy you
Speaker 2: know guy like a little short Italian name with an
Speaker 2: F that likes to kill puppies. That's making your stuff. Like,
Speaker 2: let's be honest here right, like what is happening? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's scary to me, Like the fact that we don't know.
Speaker 2: And people say, well, I know because I get it
Speaker 2: from the pharmacy or I know because I grow up myself.
Speaker 2: Where did the seeds come from? Please answer me? Answer
Speaker 2: me where you don't know? And as far as mushrooms go, hey,
Speaker 2: if you want to go get them yourself, they're under
Speaker 2: cow patties. You knock yourself out. But I'm telling you
Speaker 2: that it's not what it is anymore. And then you
Speaker 2: have to question, were these like dropped by like you know.
Speaker 3: Before with the.
Speaker 2: Air but they poisoned to mosquitoes to come get us,
Speaker 2: so get real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and they've done that with like Operation Sea
Speaker 1: Spray and stuff like that where they're actually spraying you know,
Speaker 1: particulates with red matter particulates.
Speaker 3: I won't say what it was, but.
Speaker 1: Spraying stuff like that to see how it affects the population.
Speaker 3: So could it did.
Speaker 2: Recently in the New York subways for people that don't
Speaker 2: know I can't remember the project name, but it's it
Speaker 2: happened and they just went sorry about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's that's why like when I ask about
Speaker 1: what regulatory oversight do we have on on these facilities
Speaker 1: that the government is allowing? Why centure two right, because
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be selective licensure not everybody
Speaker 1: can get one.
Speaker 3: It's just do they approve?
Speaker 1: And then what do they There's no laws governing it,
Speaker 1: so nobody's watching out for anything. So are they or
Speaker 1: is it possible that there might even be using these
Speaker 1: things as bioweapons?
Speaker 2: They definitely are using these things to their their money,
Speaker 2: their pockets and to their advantage. And a lot of
Speaker 2: them use drugs, but they don't use the same ones
Speaker 2: you use. Believe it. I think no way. And if
Speaker 2: you guys want to learn about it, read the Rockefeller
Speaker 2: Commission report about this.
Speaker 1: They but this is kind of like you know, with
Speaker 1: their they can do whatever they want and are like
Speaker 1: I said, are they using this as a bioweapon? Think
Speaker 1: about what we talked about on our show about statins,
Speaker 1: where the statins that are most common that everyone is taking,
Speaker 1: they're making from asparillogus fungus. What are mushrooms mushrooms or fungus?
Speaker 1: Are they able to use those mushrooms and bioengineer and
Speaker 1: biosynthesize those into something else that inhaled is toxic because asparillogus,
Speaker 1: like we talked about on that show, is very toxic
Speaker 1: to people with any kind of lung condition.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if you do have a lung condition, And
Speaker 2: just to let people know this when we speak about DAP,
Speaker 2: where I work, I work at a drug uh in
Speaker 2: patient drug facility to help people come off. I also
Speaker 2: work with people in the military that have PTSD. All
Speaker 2: these things we're talking about, this is my job, yep.
Speaker 2: So when we're seeing this and we do the intake
Speaker 2: for these people, they ask about your drug use to
Speaker 2: know what's going on with you, if you might be
Speaker 2: in psychosis for meth or whatever. But one of the
Speaker 2: questions is is DAB and it is not the same
Speaker 2: as pot. The pot isn't a different thing altogether if
Speaker 2: you eat it, if you regular smoke it, but the
Speaker 2: DAB is actually in where we put the meth. And
Speaker 2: just so people know, speaking of lung diseases, the DAP
Speaker 2: vapor contains toxic methacrolian MC is what it's got, like
Speaker 2: the little abbreviation for it's similar noxic to poison gas,
Speaker 2: causing pulmonary edema, which can be irreversible if you just
Speaker 2: happen to be a certain person that has like a
Speaker 2: weaker lining or some situation. There's also benzene which is
Speaker 2: in there, and it's a well known carcinogen, one of
Speaker 2: the most significant air carcinogens. That there is an acro
Speaker 2: which is another carcinogen which is caused by the oxidization
Speaker 2: and actually causes DNA damage. To your point earlier about.
Speaker 1: DNA damage, So isn't that interesting because what has there
Speaker 1: been a big push of lately, Oh you do your
Speaker 1: pot and adapt.
Speaker 2: Dab pen yep, how many of these people are going
Speaker 2: to have chronic It's not going to kill you and
Speaker 2: as an asthmatic, I'll tell you it's not fun. So
Speaker 2: how many of these are you guys going to have
Speaker 2: like I do just to live every day? Plus any pen?
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I was just thinking about because
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I know that use the
Speaker 1: DAB they have chronic respiratory problems. They've always got a cough,
Speaker 1: they've always got a sore throat, they've always.
Speaker 3: Got like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, constantly like that stuff. But they're also big, big
Speaker 1: users of the dad pin.
Speaker 2: So really get interesting. Yeah, And if you guys want
Speaker 2: to just look at three operations that involve drugs and
Speaker 2: your government, Operation Amidaeus, Operation Pegasus, Operation water Tower or
Speaker 2: Watchtower let alone, mk Ultra itself, and Operation Midnight.
Speaker 3: Operation Midnight Climax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is so many. And you know Operation c
Speaker 2: Spray where they drugged people against their will, Tuskie where
Speaker 2: they drugged people against their will. Well, like, really, if
Speaker 2: you honestly believe that your government wouldn't do that to
Speaker 2: you might want to think again.
Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to my original question. Right, So
Speaker 1: you you don't trust the government, you don't trust the
Speaker 1: medical industrial complex big pharma, but you trust the high
Speaker 1: that you're getting from these genetically modified things. But you
Speaker 1: don't question it. Why is that shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be They've been taught. It's like the rebels that are
Speaker 2: doing a rate. It's not the rebel.
Speaker 3: It's not a rebel. If you were a rebel, you
Speaker 3: would be improbably well yeah, and you would probably question, like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, who goes to prison the drug dealers that aren't
Speaker 2: working for the drug dealers.
Speaker 1: And and that's what my point was earlier, that the
Speaker 1: ones that are approved to have a license to run
Speaker 1: these grow facilities, and then they're arresting mom and pop
Speaker 1: people where it grows naturally on their property or you
Speaker 1: know whatever. They're arresting those people, but they're allowing only
Speaker 1: the ones that the government okays to have a shop, yep.
Speaker 2: And they're making mad money off of that, by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's huge money in it. And so think
Speaker 1: about like how many states have allowed legalization.
Speaker 2: Even Utah folded, even you taught us.
Speaker 1: Right, And do those do those states use that as
Speaker 1: a large percentage of their state income? Like what are
Speaker 1: they getting from these growers as a percentage to run
Speaker 1: the state? You know, got to agrease the palms, right,
Speaker 1: So how much money are these states getting back from
Speaker 1: the growers that they've approved.
Speaker 2: And also, it wasn't because of the goodly Mormons here. Look,
Speaker 2: it was the Mormons that kept it from being accepted.
Speaker 2: It wasn't on they're standing with religion. It was because
Speaker 2: they own most of the pharmaceuticals and they'd rather have
Speaker 2: you on xanax so don't think this was some pariah
Speaker 2: of positivity. No, we have one of the highest overdose
Speaker 2: races races in America. Probably we're all white here, we're depressed.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, I am telling you guys,
Speaker 2: like as far as that goes to the dopamine receptors
Speaker 2: are actually damaged in your brain when you start this
Speaker 2: too early, and it actually speaking of depression causes some
Speaker 2: times depression that you wouldn't have because it causes you
Speaker 2: to have a flood, especially like think of ecstasy. Back
Speaker 2: in the day, people would die like over this because
Speaker 2: they'd get so depressed it released all of everything they
Speaker 2: had and then the next day they are just hysterical.
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't common. They had to take them
Speaker 2: to the hospital. I treated people like this where we
Speaker 2: had an instant utilize them for a week until they
Speaker 2: started mellowing out because they were not okay.
Speaker 1: So here's a question, and this is a medical question
Speaker 1: since we're talking about dopamine, and you know dopamine receptors
Speaker 1: and dopamine in turn, you know has something to do
Speaker 1: with your serotonin and your melotonin.
Speaker 3: And all these things.
Speaker 1: But if those cells and those receptors are damaged in
Speaker 1: people because the THHC level is too high and because
Speaker 1: this DNA altered little experiment is corrupting our normal system
Speaker 1: and our normal flow and dopamine is involved. What does
Speaker 1: that mean for people developing Parkinson's then, M.
Speaker 2: Well, I know that the cure that they're handing out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty has had a market increase in parkins.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. I'll tell you also that it
Speaker 2: causes lifelong issues with other things as well, right, autoimmune issues.
Speaker 2: Think of this, You're putting something inside of your body
Speaker 2: that you don't know where it's been or what they've
Speaker 2: done to it. What if they're doing weird stuff like
Speaker 2: we talked about before with the flu where they were
Speaker 2: using chicken, you know, parts of the egg, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden everybody's allergic to eggs. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys have got to put two and two together.
Speaker 2: When you start deleting DNA chop chop, you're filling it in.
Speaker 3: You have to from something.
Speaker 1: And so that's my point is if it's altering the
Speaker 1: stretcher and the makeup of the brain and the way
Speaker 1: that it normally works, and the amount of chemicals and
Speaker 1: hormones that are released by the brain is substantial that
Speaker 1: controls the whole rest of the body. So what does
Speaker 1: that look for neurological stuff in the future. For brain damage,
Speaker 1: you got all your optic nerves and cranial nerves, so
Speaker 1: facial paralysis, vision, hearing issues like respiratory like you said, numbness, tingling,
Speaker 1: loss of you see your limbs, paralysis, all of the things,
Speaker 1: or just flat out hormonal imbalances.
Speaker 2: And for impossible infertility, think of think of the person listen,
Speaker 2: think of the person in a eugenic situation that they
Speaker 2: would want to make sure they affected. Is it the
Speaker 2: woman that can have only one baby per year, maybe
Speaker 2: two if she gets lucky and has some twins, right,
Speaker 2: or is it the man who can have children up
Speaker 2: until he dies. Not like women, we ran out of
Speaker 2: time frame, we ran out of eggs, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It would be healthy young males. They can pro create
Speaker 2: the world literally mean well.
Speaker 1: And thinking about user wise, more males use substances than females.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a general rule. That's not bullshit. That's
Speaker 1: literally from a treatment standpoint, males are more likely users
Speaker 1: than females.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just I mean a couple things
Speaker 2: that play there. A more women will seek out help
Speaker 2: for emotional issues before men, right, So it just leads
Speaker 2: into that and not saying that it's better or worse,
Speaker 2: it's just how it is. Right, Men don't cope the
Speaker 2: same as women. Women will reach out to friends, family,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. I think men are com along,
Speaker 2: but you know, notoriously it's been covered up. Go on
Speaker 2: with your day. So yeah, covering it up is going
Speaker 2: to lead you to a world of issues, respiratory issues.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, as you guys see, I'm
Speaker 2: full of tons of allergies today. I keep muting my mic.
Speaker 2: You know, I was born this way, but many people
Speaker 2: become this way. And like she said, like it's not
Speaker 2: just your your lungs, think about your mucus system in general,
Speaker 2: and then remember this if it doesn't get you with
Speaker 2: carcinogens and all this other stuff we've already talked about,
Speaker 2: and bacteria, God only knows what they're doing where they're
Speaker 2: growing it everything, honestly, but on top of it, chronic
Speaker 2: sinus issues. Your sinus is the closest thing to your
Speaker 2: frontal lobe that you have. That's why they used to
Speaker 2: do lobotomies by sticking a big fat nail up your
Speaker 2: nose and bye bye brain, like it will change you completely.
Speaker 2: And so are I I'm just postulating here? Are they
Speaker 2: lobotomizing people in a kind of a way, right, Like
Speaker 2: not fully?
Speaker 1: Well, that's that is something I can tell you that
Speaker 1: I have seen in the people that we know that
Speaker 1: are I'm going to say aggressive users, right.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about the occasional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's the other people at bedtime, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: these are people aggressive users. Is people that I mean
Speaker 1: literally have to do it all day long, every day
Speaker 1: and whatever. That's their routine. They don't remember anything they
Speaker 1: tell you. They're more aggressive. That's why I call it
Speaker 1: aggressive behavior, right, or aggressive users because they become physically
Speaker 1: and emotionally aggressive, abusive, verbally memory impaired, confusion, belligerent at times,
Speaker 1: literally all the things. Now, this is you're not going
Speaker 1: to notice this as much in people who do not.
Speaker 3: Partake constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't and we're not talking about demonizing it. Look,
Speaker 2: if you are over the age, I would say twenty
Speaker 2: one at least because of all these brain synapses that
Speaker 2: we're talking about, especially if you're a male. My husband,
Speaker 2: the sad part is, my husband spent so much time
Speaker 2: sitting our sundown because he was so worried about how
Speaker 2: young he was. When he started that, he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, this thing can happen, and it can cause
Speaker 2: your schizophrenia and you can lose your mind. And then
Speaker 2: he laughed at that, and then it really did happen.
Speaker 2: That was literally awful to go through as a parent
Speaker 2: because he really really really tried, and also it's super
Speaker 2: it's rare to go that far over and he he
Speaker 2: was just like, that's never going to happen to me.
Speaker 2: And everybody thinks that.
Speaker 1: That's what we always think, right, we're very invincible, and
Speaker 1: it's our ego telling us that, just like it's your
Speaker 1: ego filled with entities that are telling you that you
Speaker 1: can't function or move or create or think or whatever
Speaker 1: without it.
Speaker 2: So let you can.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to you your son.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he's having like the vocal seizure type thing
Speaker 1: where the lights are on but no one's home, blank
Speaker 1: stares all of that stuff. Well, what else, what else?
Speaker 1: Behavior wise? What else was going on with him?
Speaker 2: He was suicidal the point that I intervened, he because
Speaker 2: of what was happening. And he was also having which
Speaker 2: he still has to this day, residual effects of things
Speaker 2: that only happen normally for acid, which is weird. He
Speaker 2: has the wavy like lines of doorways and carpets, and
Speaker 2: I thought this must have been laced. No, I looked
Speaker 2: it up. It's a thing with this really concentrated weed.
Speaker 2: It's not even the mushroom, right, because.
Speaker 1: Your cranial nerves are in here, and so what is
Speaker 1: in your grayil nerves.
Speaker 2: It's really messy.
Speaker 1: There's this vision and you're when you take in light
Speaker 1: and it refracts off of the back and comes back out,
Speaker 1: so that we visualize you have all kinds of receptor
Speaker 1: cells behind your eyeballs. Oh yeah, that rely on the
Speaker 1: brain to make the equilibrium.
Speaker 2: Because of what you're saying, Like as equilibrium was off,
Speaker 2: he he was a shadow of himself. I'm telling you guys,
Speaker 2: he has barely gotten kind of back to himself. He
Speaker 2: attributes this somewhat to a demonic situation as well. And
Speaker 2: he has always made music and he makes music now.
Speaker 2: He just got back from Germany and his band well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you call it, but anyway, because
Speaker 2: he just does it. But it's Balduvi and Bear's and
Speaker 2: he says this Bear was like the negative dark side
Speaker 2: of him when this was all happening, and it's very cureosque.
Speaker 2: You guys can check him out. He's on ig and stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's was really sad to see him
Speaker 2: cease everything that he cared about everything, no creation, no music,
Speaker 2: no sports, just he was just not functioning in this world.
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't showering, so he didn't care about anything,
Speaker 2: you know, and he knew that that wasn't normal, but
Speaker 2: he said I can't. I can't do anything about it,
Speaker 2: which then made him suicide. So we were in this
Speaker 2: horrible and this was a month after he had He
Speaker 2: kind of figured that. I mean, he just stopped everything
Speaker 2: because he was like, something has messed me really bad up.
Speaker 2: And all he ever did was those two substances and
Speaker 2: drinking a kate very occasional, and he said, I just
Speaker 2: stopped everything because I didn't I didn't know what was
Speaker 2: wrong with me. But I thought that he's very hippie dippy,
Speaker 2: like a certain shampoos and everything, and he said, I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out. I don't even take advil. Like
Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't know what was happening to me.
Speaker 2: I thought I was going crazy.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm curious, like what in the world because there
Speaker 1: is no like like you said, there's no impatient treatment
Speaker 1: or no treatment center that's like okay, well, oh it's marijuana. Well,
Speaker 1: no problem, we'll treat him. What was it like and
Speaker 1: how many places did you have to get to before
Speaker 1: somebody was like, oh, maybe we should probably like take
Speaker 1: him in.
Speaker 2: They well, because of how bad his psychosis was at
Speaker 2: that point, and we wanted him to go under drug addiction,
Speaker 2: because in patient psych is scary. If you are somewhat
Speaker 2: still functional human being and you're barely He was like
Speaker 2: nineteen when this happened. That would have terrified him because
Speaker 2: I know, it's very scary.
Speaker 3: It's scary for step.
Speaker 2: For fritics, and especially where he's just kind of introverted
Speaker 2: to his own psychosis, right, He's in his own mind.
Speaker 2: He wasn't disruptive or anything like that, So that literally
Speaker 2: would have scared the shit out of him. And so
Speaker 2: we were lucky enough that I already worked at the
Speaker 2: place I worked, so I had connections, But honestly, if
Speaker 2: I had not, I don't know what we would have done.
Speaker 2: And it was quite the situation to get insurance to
Speaker 2: cover it or weed.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was. And that's not that's not just
Speaker 1: your facility. That is literally nationwide treatment facility guidelines do
Speaker 1: not qualify for marijuana. It is literally cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine.
Speaker 1: What's your jug of choice, you know, And it's all
Speaker 1: on all the intake forms and you will not find
Speaker 1: one that says marijuana.
Speaker 2: Except for now they are starting to do it for
Speaker 2: DAP because it has gotten so bad with people having
Speaker 2: psychosis after doing dabs.
Speaker 1: But as a biz as a general rule, if somebody
Speaker 1: comes in and they're you're like, oh, no, I'm a
Speaker 1: marijuana user. Do you use a dab pin? If you
Speaker 1: say no, they're going to turn you away.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I think we kind of told him
Speaker 2: to fudge on the drinking because they'll help you for that.
Speaker 2: And I knew the game to play, and I he
Speaker 2: didn't come to my actual facility, but I knew enough
Speaker 2: people to like at the intake people send other people
Speaker 2: other places, so they helped me a hundred, but honestly
Speaker 2: we were at such a loss, like we were scared
Speaker 2: to leave him alone.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: When you when you.
Speaker 1: Watch somebody like him going from a vibrant, energetic.
Speaker 2: Creativetain of the hockey team.
Speaker 1: Super intelligent, you know, all of these things to like
Speaker 1: you're staring at like a hollow being.
Speaker 2: It was like something took him over. Honestly, it was
Speaker 2: very scary. And even at the time he said, you know,
Speaker 2: he was having hallucinations, like he didn't know. He kept
Speaker 2: saying this, I didn't know if I was real, And
Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? And he said, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in a video game, and like it's
Speaker 2: it's not real. You're not real. This isn't real. I'm
Speaker 2: not real. Everything wasn't real. He got really like and
Speaker 2: no matter what you did to try and explain it
Speaker 2: to him, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Well, And it's it's funny that you said that because
Speaker 1: we had done a show a long time ago on
Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland syndrome, which is a neurological thing that
Speaker 1: deals with your reality or perception of reality. So imagine
Speaker 1: like how many people that do these things that go
Speaker 1: through that same type of thing where they're seeing things
Speaker 1: that aren't there, so they're kind of hallucinating their you know,
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent I think he had that, and I
Speaker 2: think it was created by the drug use. He absolutely
Speaker 2: had Alice in Wonderlands. He I forgot about that. He
Speaker 2: would think his hands were too big. He was really
Speaker 2: dug about it or his feet, and it gave him
Speaker 2: this weird like mentally. He's a very good looking boy,
Speaker 2: and he did not like himself. That was partially aiding
Speaker 2: to this suicidal thing because he was like, I'm ugly,
Speaker 2: my hands are too big, my nose is too bid,
Speaker 2: like all these weird things, and nothing you could do
Speaker 2: would help him understand, like you wear a normal sized shoe.
Speaker 1: Right, Because he's not seeing what people on the outside see.
Speaker 1: His his cortex and his brain was so messed up
Speaker 1: that it's like and for people who have no idea
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, like you look in the mirror
Speaker 1: and you think that your nose is like ten times
Speaker 1: larger than what it really actually is, and it is
Speaker 1: literally a problem with your brain cortex that deals with reality,
Speaker 1: where it is so chemically altered and messed up that
Speaker 1: you're seeing things that aren't real life.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter what you tell them, it doesn't
Speaker 2: You could show them like, look, most men in America
Speaker 2: were this size of shoe. Blah blah blah. See where's
Speaker 2: a very normal sized shoe. And we would do that.
Speaker 2: We would try to do like reality therapy, but it
Speaker 2: didn't work that we tried for four months. Well, I
Speaker 2: was very apt to make him go earlier, but his parents,
Speaker 2: including my husband, I mean, you don't want to believe
Speaker 2: that that's real when you're very close to you son,
Speaker 2: and like you know, he he's always been able to
Speaker 2: shake things off like this is gonna You do think
Speaker 2: that at first, you're like this is going to just stop.
Speaker 2: And it didn't. Yeah, it was months.
Speaker 1: So what kind of what kind of things that they
Speaker 1: do to help him? Did they do like a lot
Speaker 1: of cognitive behavioral type therapies with him or what what
Speaker 1: was their treatment plan?
Speaker 2: And just real quick for people episode two oh six
Speaker 2: on Janet's episode ninety for me, you'll catch that Alis
Speaker 2: in Wonderland syndrome. It's a really good one to watch.
Speaker 2: They did a lot of cognitive therapy with him because
Speaker 2: he's very against medicine, that's the whole reason I think
Speaker 2: why he ended up where he was because he's mister
Speaker 2: all natural and I think he had some hockey aches
Speaker 2: and hurt his back and blah blah blah. So you know,
Speaker 2: he ends up where he ends up like this isn't
Speaker 2: some kid that goes to ragers or I mean captain
Speaker 2: of the hockey team. Like he he was very smart.
Speaker 2: He was the kid that could do all his work
Speaker 2: in one day, which annoyed the shit out of us
Speaker 2: because you know, he really didn't need to go to
Speaker 2: school and then like last minute, it would be like,
Speaker 2: oh now I have an a like I was failing it.
Speaker 2: It used to drive us crazy. But he was very
Speaker 2: good kid, you know, really a good kid. And then
Speaker 2: to see that a evolution like of not carying like
Speaker 2: he's mister if you guys look him up. His hair
Speaker 2: is much like Janet's. He has this great hair and
Speaker 2: it's all curly and fantastic and fabulous, and he just
Speaker 2: quit caring about his hair. He quit like it just
Speaker 2: was everything nothing mattered anymore. It was actually, I think
Speaker 2: the saddest I've ever seen my husband.
Speaker 1: Well I think too that because it it chechmically alters
Speaker 1: the processes in your brain that tell us like hey
Speaker 1: you need to shower, Hey you need to brush your
Speaker 1: teeth or whatever. Those processes also come from your brain, right,
Speaker 1: or it was confusion like he.
Speaker 2: Would shower but put on the dirty clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff, And that's that's part of you know, that
Speaker 1: that whole thing when your brain chemistry is altered, like
Speaker 1: you can't rationally or critically think a process through.
Speaker 2: No. No, he definitely like.
Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for people like that who have had
Speaker 1: some kind of brain trauma to like it was like
Speaker 1: literally like touch touch the stove and don't realize they're
Speaker 1: going to get burnt. It's because that that critical thought,
Speaker 1: that rational thought process is not there. It's missing, and
Speaker 1: so people do really dumb things.
Speaker 2: And he to this day he goes to a uh, well,
Speaker 2: I guess it would be na right, like not aa,
Speaker 2: but you know, he and his partner go, he's my
Speaker 2: son that had the baby. His whole life has changed now.
Speaker 2: But he says, to this day, even when I told
Speaker 2: him we were going to be doing this subject, he's like, good,
Speaker 2: you need to. He's like, somebody needs to tell kids.
Speaker 2: He's so passionate about it because it ruined his life
Speaker 2: for a time, you know, so he's still they are
Speaker 2: like over involved with the AA and A stuff now
Speaker 2: like they are over it. They're like constantly at meetings.
Speaker 2: I guess not over I don't know. That sounds like
Speaker 2: a bad term. They're extra involved. They're super involved. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so now they help other people, and I think
Speaker 2: it really has helped him understand like it's okay. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, he at first felt weird in therapy. He
Speaker 2: would call us and be like, I don't belong here
Speaker 2: because these people have real problems and I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't fit in, Like I just had this weird thing
Speaker 2: with pot and I'm like, dude, Like he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: in therapy thinking like these people have really had it hard,
Speaker 2: and it was weird for him. There was no right fit.
Speaker 2: You're right, But I'm so glad he got into the
Speaker 2: addiction program because I will tell you I saw it
Speaker 2: from an early age with him, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I think he, you know, one is good. Ten is
Speaker 2: better with him on things if he feels they're safe,
Speaker 2: and he did. He felt it was safe because it
Speaker 2: was natural.
Speaker 3: So well, and I'm a firm believer in.
Speaker 1: God works and moves in our lives in very mysterious ways, right,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we have to go through something awful not
Speaker 1: only to strengthen us, but to give us what our
Speaker 1: purpose is and what our will is. And so would
Speaker 1: he be an excellent person to go out there and
Speaker 1: educate on this and teach people about totally Yes, because
Speaker 1: does this exist in the realm of substance abuse treatment. No,
Speaker 1: it is not acceptable. This is not part of a program.
Speaker 2: As far as his life changing. I know this is
Speaker 2: counterproductive most of the time. But he did meet his
Speaker 2: partner in rehab, which is funny, and she is great,
Speaker 2: and we were super worried it's been years. At first
Speaker 2: we were like, oh my gosh, this is like the
Speaker 2: worst thing ever because yeah, got a good idea. But
Speaker 2: actually she's amazing and it wasn't one of those bad situations.
Speaker 2: We know how that could have gone right. They were
Speaker 2: just super careful about it and she you know, they
Speaker 2: weren't to jump in. They were just friends for a
Speaker 2: long long time and then it evolved. But now they
Speaker 2: have this sweet little baby and actually have another baby
Speaker 2: on the way. I'm going to be a grandma get Intocember.
Speaker 2: So it's been really nice to see him relove himself
Speaker 2: through his son. I think even though he was super young,
Speaker 2: that baby kind of helped save his life because he's like,
Speaker 2: look at how handsome my son is, and he knows
Speaker 2: the son looks it's like almost like yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's like, wow, I guess I was cute too, or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, it's returning that reality and that
Speaker 1: perception back to normal.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to see because he'll say, oh, look
Speaker 2: at you're such a handsome boy, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: it's super nice to hear because it was really hard
Speaker 2: to see. You know, no matter what we said or
Speaker 2: what we did, nothing helped. Nothing helped.
Speaker 1: Well think about too, like in the realm of people
Speaker 1: that have like body dysmorphia, and it's the same kind
Speaker 1: of thing where they have a very warped or wonky
Speaker 1: right perception of reality and so they could literally weigh
Speaker 1: ninety pounds and they see themselves as like three hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: It's that same thing. It's from the cortex of your
Speaker 1: brain where you just can't process your normal stuff self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was hard to watch that with him,
Speaker 2: like being his parents, We just he'd never been like that, Like,
Speaker 2: he wasn't conceited, but he definitely knew he was a
Speaker 2: good looking kid. I mean to see that. And honestly,
Speaker 2: for people that are hearing this, that journey for him,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. Yeah, he was impatient for two months, extended
Speaker 2: for multiple months, extended to a sober living house. He
Speaker 2: was in therapy like a year. It was awful. It
Speaker 2: was awful, like and we never knew what was super
Speaker 2: going on because he was old enough that he wanted
Speaker 2: to deal with his shit. Yeah, and they were teaching
Speaker 2: him that that independence, you know, not that you know,
Speaker 2: that's what we understand. But we were very helicoptery parents.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We wanted to help him so much that we helped
Speaker 2: him right off a cliff, right, Like that's not a
Speaker 2: good idea either, And I mean, I knew right from
Speaker 2: your husbands it was too much. He just wanted to And.
Speaker 1: It's really hard as a parent to like sit back
Speaker 1: and watch this unfold and not want to do everything
Speaker 1: that you can in your being to help that person.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is that sometimes, and I've said
Speaker 1: this before, you have to let.
Speaker 3: Them do their thing.
Speaker 1: Even if they're making mistakes or even if you know
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea, because that's the only way that.
Speaker 3: They learn from stuff. What do you think.
Speaker 1: Since he had to do like the cognitive stuff, which
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, it's like retraining your brain
Speaker 1: to think about behaviors in a different manner. That's what
Speaker 1: cognitive therapy is. But what do you see a possibility
Speaker 1: since you work in the substance abuse facility, do you
Speaker 1: see a possibility of this conversation ever coming up with
Speaker 1: the administration where they add these kind of substances to
Speaker 1: their because mushrooms are also not included on no admissions
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: Nope, they don't care. And by the way, if you
Speaker 2: come there for math, they also don't care about that.
Speaker 2: They're just going to stick you in a room for
Speaker 2: forty eight hours and send you to behavioral therapy. So
Speaker 2: just FYI, they're not They can't do a whole lot
Speaker 2: for that, you know. Oh, there's just you've got to
Speaker 2: come down. And that's how it is. And as as
Speaker 2: a nurse watching the changes, I will say this, every
Speaker 2: single substance abuse that I've ever seen take place starts.
Speaker 2: It's not the vets come from all over the world,
Speaker 2: okay where I am, and the number one trauma that
Speaker 2: they talk about is not their combat trauma. Yes they
Speaker 2: have combat trauma, Yes they speak about it, but it's
Speaker 2: not the root cause. The root cause, especially your childhood,
Speaker 2: it's parents or bullying or something that has happened when
Speaker 2: they're young that has happened. And I'm not saying and
Speaker 2: this goes to a double edged sword with me because
Speaker 2: I have a daughter that cut me off for apparently
Speaker 2: how bad of a parent I was. We also have
Speaker 2: to remember parents are doing their best and you know,
Speaker 2: even if we do it wrong, cut off therapy is
Speaker 2: such a bout. You have to deal with things, just
Speaker 2: like he had to deal with that. We did step back.
Speaker 2: We understand our place, but you know he didn't. I
Speaker 2: mean we felt super abandoned and sad about it, but
Speaker 2: we knew he was there, you know, and it was hard,
Speaker 2: but also you know, we have our place in his
Speaker 2: life at a different measure now because he was moved out.
Speaker 2: Same thing for any of your kids going through this stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean I always say, you have to talk to
Speaker 2: the people like this unless they're actively still abusive, right, Like,
Speaker 2: there's like if you went and had therapy, they would
Speaker 2: slap you in the face. Okay, don't do that. Maybe
Speaker 2: you could do a zoom call right like what exactly
Speaker 2: and and so. But I always think that it's important
Speaker 2: to never just slam that door shut unless the person
Speaker 2: is completely And there's so few people that are actually
Speaker 2: really criminally insane like that where they would just have
Speaker 2: no heart. Not saying it doesn't exist. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: the word toxic is overused in this society. And what
Speaker 2: they're doing is they're creating a division in family, which
Speaker 2: is part of the communistic They told you they were
Speaker 2: going to do it. Just look at Hegel. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: education is coming in i e. Therapy you know, to
Speaker 2: take over the parenting role. Does it have its place
Speaker 2: one hundred percent? Do you need that to take over
Speaker 2: your parenting role so you never fix anything because you
Speaker 2: hate your mom until the day she friaking dies. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's a good idea. If you have a
Speaker 2: person willing to go to therapy with you that doesn't
Speaker 2: want to cause chaos like slapping in the faces, okay,
Speaker 2: and also can have extreme boundaries like I just feel
Speaker 2: like nowadays there is too much division and they know
Speaker 2: what it does to your inherent core. And I'll tell you,
Speaker 2: guys something. If you don't believe me, go to talk
Speaker 2: to adopted kids about why they absolutely need to find
Speaker 2: their birth parent. Every single time. It almost is is
Speaker 2: very rare that kids will say I don't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with them ever, or meet them or know
Speaker 2: anything about them. Doesn't mean they have a huge relationship, right,
Speaker 2: but that eventual thing that happens deals with that, just
Speaker 2: like people need to deal with that with abusers. Like
Speaker 2: I was very abused as a kid. If the guy
Speaker 2: came to me tomorrow, I would be like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's a dick, but I would still go and talk
Speaker 2: with him, Okay, and he's he's yeah in a safe setting.
Speaker 2: Like was every memory bad? Was he doing the best
Speaker 2: he could? I don't know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know his story well.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that it takes a lot for
Speaker 1: people to understand, especially anybody that's been traumatized in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form in their childhood. Your parents learn their
Speaker 1: parenting from their parents, so it's a generational thing, right,
Speaker 1: And so if your grandparents didn't know how to properly
Speaker 1: parent and didn't teach your parents. Your parents only know
Speaker 1: as much as they were taught, right, and so sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to be the one that changes that in
Speaker 1: your generation and be like, Okay, I'm going to do better,
Speaker 1: Like these are the things that are going to be
Speaker 1: better that I'm going to do differently, whatever, whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: going to raise my child in a different manner than
Speaker 1: the way that I was raised.
Speaker 3: Like if you don't grow up.
Speaker 1: With the affection and attention, then make sure that you
Speaker 1: show affection and attention to your child.
Speaker 2: Here's my thing, too, Like people change so much. Like
Speaker 2: I have every reason in the world old and Janet
Speaker 2: knows my story, all of it, to have never spoken
Speaker 2: to my father, especially again. Okay, ever ever, yea, And
Speaker 2: my mother was half of that, okay. And here's the
Speaker 2: thing that I do know. My mom is such a
Speaker 2: beautiful person now, Like it almost makes me cry because
Speaker 2: of how different she is. And my dad has passed now,
Speaker 2: and he passed super young, and had I missed the
Speaker 2: opportunity to really get to know him. And it was
Speaker 2: through the phone, okay, because that was mostly the safe
Speaker 2: way to do it. And also he lived far away,
Speaker 2: but also he was around my kids. Was he unsupervised? No, No, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was there, but my kid's relationship with him was
Speaker 2: so much different, right, And it was so beautiful actually,
Speaker 2: and they love him to this day, like seriously, any
Speaker 2: any kind of memory they have of him is a
Speaker 2: wonderful memory. And they would have missed everything had I
Speaker 2: been as ignorant as I am being treated, with my
Speaker 2: granddaughter never having met me and missing out on that.
Speaker 2: And there is something genetically that ties us all together,
Speaker 2: like really in family lines, where if you do that
Speaker 2: to somebody, you can say that you're doing it because
Speaker 2: you're helping them be better and away from those horrible people.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Unless it is really significant actively, not
Speaker 2: in the past. Actively, you might be creating something that
Speaker 2: turns completely around on you in your older age. It's
Speaker 2: a bad idea. And I just feel like too many
Speaker 2: times we throw people away like garbage and that just
Speaker 2: isn't what God wants us to do. It's not. And
Speaker 2: so you know, with everything that we see here, with
Speaker 2: all of the traumas we know that we all go through,
Speaker 2: like I'm not special, Like there's so many people that
Speaker 2: are abused in our generation, especially right, absolutely, Yep, and
Speaker 2: so I didn't abuse my kids, but I yelled at
Speaker 2: them too much, and they do call that abuse, and
Speaker 2: so do I see that as abuse? No, but I'm
Speaker 2: sorry that it hurt them. I am sorry for that.
Speaker 2: But to me, that was such an insignificant thing. When
Speaker 2: you're being beaten, right, like, that's like not a big deal.
Speaker 2: And so I had to also retrain myself like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a big deal for her, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: understand that because that never mattered to me. Getting yelled
Speaker 2: at was not a thing like.
Speaker 1: Right, like I was bell or the switch or a
Speaker 1: hand that I was somebody's mouth, right.
Speaker 2: And especially when the belt's not just for your butt,
Speaker 2: you know, you're just getting beaten in a corner like crazy.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like I did change things for my
Speaker 2: family and my kids. Some of them say I'm the
Speaker 2: best thing in the world, and some of them hate, well,
Speaker 2: one of them hates me. You know, do I think
Speaker 2: that normal? No? I think we're better than that. I
Speaker 2: think God really requires us to be better than that.
Speaker 2: What does he say about people, you know hitting you?
Speaker 2: What should you do? You turn the other cheek and
Speaker 2: let him hit that one too. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like just sit there and be abused. But I am
Speaker 2: saying there's better ways to deal with things than drugs
Speaker 2: or whatever. It doesn't just.
Speaker 1: And going back to the cognitive behavioral therapy that is
Speaker 1: an amazing tool.
Speaker 3: For all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So for your behavior and habits during the day, like
Speaker 1: writing down a plan of how you're going to change
Speaker 1: things so you sleep better at night, or you know,
Speaker 1: no social media in the.
Speaker 3: Morning or whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: You don't have to turn two synthetic options to have
Speaker 1: that kind of retraining.
Speaker 2: And it's for pain, right, like irresponsible, don't over Like
Speaker 2: would you take twenty five pain pills in an hour
Speaker 2: if you're hitting that thing twenty No, you wouldn't. Let's
Speaker 2: be real here, you know, and evaluate yourself. Like I
Speaker 2: know two people that smoke pot all the time. One
Speaker 2: is not very functional, the other one extremely functional. Maybe
Speaker 2: that amount for that person is fine and that amount
Speaker 2: for that person is not fine.
Speaker 3: Or is it the stranding?
Speaker 1: Is it the particular brand that they use, because there
Speaker 1: are so many now it's like hungry.
Speaker 2: There are a couple, so I think it might actually
Speaker 2: be the situation because they both smoke the same thing.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, obviously clearly this is helping her
Speaker 2: hurting you. You guys gotta modify your behavior. I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's food, right, care, exercise, right.
Speaker 1: Waters, anxiety, literally anything, any behavior can be modified.
Speaker 2: And why it's so important to Janet's point.
Speaker 1: And things that you can do or if you're somebody
Speaker 1: that has depression, anxiety issues, things like that. Not just
Speaker 1: cognitive behavioral therapy where you're consciously changing you know, the
Speaker 1: way you're thinking about things. But instead of focusing on
Speaker 1: everything awful throughout the day or everything that you perceived
Speaker 1: was awful, focus on positive stuff. Start journaling, write it down, Jodd,
Speaker 1: What is so many things, five things or whatever that
Speaker 1: you like about yourself? What are ten things that happen
Speaker 1: during the day that were positive. It's that again, frequency
Speaker 1: and tension and what you focus your energy on. And
Speaker 1: so create, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Create something like I don't care if you look. One
Speaker 2: of my favorite things to do. Two things. Get the
Speaker 2: hell out of Wi Fi wherever you are occasionally. Please
Speaker 2: Every year on my birthday, everybody knows I go up
Speaker 2: the canyon where there is no service, and I'm there.
Speaker 2: They know where to find me for my birthday. And
Speaker 2: this is like something that I like to do. It's
Speaker 2: and my husband's always like, it's so much work on
Speaker 2: you because we have such a big family to cook
Speaker 2: for all these people, and there are kids, and they
Speaker 2: don't have money and stuff. So I'm definitely ending up
Speaker 2: doing it right and so I don't care. But it
Speaker 2: makes me so happy just to be there with them. Right,
Speaker 2: It's like it feels different, it feels better. Get away
Speaker 2: from it somehow. Sometime I'm not saying you have to
Speaker 2: be a whole week like I do, but like I
Speaker 2: don't get to the rest of the time, so just
Speaker 2: go way somewhere. And one of my favorite things to
Speaker 2: do is play cards with somebody else or color, which
Speaker 2: seems like a ridiculous thing for a grown up personlar
Speaker 2: is a thing, but you're creating. You're creating, and even
Speaker 2: if you aren't an artist or whatever, draw I don't know,
Speaker 2: like write a poet. What happened to all of these
Speaker 2: things that used to be like poets and philosophers and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It went away because they don't want
Speaker 2: you doing that. They don't like it that you can
Speaker 2: do that. That's a god given thing that we have
Speaker 2: that other things do not have. We get to create
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent and it's very useful. So color therapy, journaling, cooking,
Speaker 1: sound therapy. Some people respond very well to sound. You
Speaker 1: don't always have to go see a therapist. These are
Speaker 1: things that you can try.
Speaker 2: But a sleep machine. Sleep machines are amazing. We use
Speaker 2: those that work so much. Light therapy. Go out of
Speaker 2: your house for Keven's sakes. If you are depressed and
Speaker 2: you're spending ninety eight percent of the time in your house,
Speaker 2: yup might.
Speaker 3: Be able to get out in this get some vitamin D.
Speaker 2: Not good and it doesn't nothing more than twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Like people think you have to go on this giant No,
Speaker 2: just go out for twenty minutes. Like it's really not
Speaker 2: that long, you.
Speaker 1: Know, And especially if there's something that you can do
Speaker 1: while you're out there, you know, where you're creating or
Speaker 1: doing something, do an art project, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: make some crochet cleaners or drawl or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these things used to be done by people, and
Speaker 2: I think too much of the time we just want
Speaker 2: to be entertained and do nothing, you know, we want
Speaker 2: to sit on our ass and be entertained. And that
Speaker 2: is just even for stuff we do. Go go have fun.
Speaker 2: Oh what'd you do? Went to the movies where you
Speaker 2: sat again. I'm not dissingc that those things are fun.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying sometimes it's good to go do something
Speaker 2: not inside. Yeah, not screen time. Like people say they
Speaker 2: can't sleep, and I'm like, put your phone away from you,
Speaker 2: turn it off, you know.
Speaker 3: Put it in another room to do something.
Speaker 2: You know, where you are not constantly checking it because
Speaker 2: it's resetting your brain so.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's that repetitive behavior and it becomes addictive,
Speaker 1: just like the things that we're talking about today, right,
Speaker 1: because it's a feel good thing. You get a hit
Speaker 1: a dopamine until you don't because you shut that off
Speaker 1: and then your body doesn't manufacture it anymore because it's broken, yep.
Speaker 2: And it takes a long time to come back from that.
Speaker 2: Like for my son, he still struggles, and he is
Speaker 2: I would say seventy five percent back, you know, but
Speaker 2: we see it sometimes that he's not and that's okay too.
Speaker 2: But he's still working on it every single.
Speaker 3: Day, right, A work in progress.
Speaker 2: Yes, And you're really proud of him and.
Speaker 1: I love that because he didn't give into the psychotropic
Speaker 1: drugs and all the Farmer's stuff, and you know whatever,
Speaker 1: I think for the first.
Speaker 2: Two weeks they may have done some intensive drugs because
Speaker 2: he was suicidal, but then they weaned him down.
Speaker 1: Right, But it wasn't like a long term thing. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I want people to understand, because
Speaker 1: I just had this discussion with somebody the other day
Speaker 1: about rehab, and somebody that uber needs rehab, but they
Speaker 1: refuse to take any kind of medication. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but you have not been able to conquer this on
Speaker 1: your own. I'm not a fan of farmer, but occasionally
Speaker 1: you can do for this short term.
Speaker 2: To get to a different place in your life. Right together,
Speaker 2: my brother and he was so addicted, and he said,
Speaker 2: what difference does it make if I go get on
Speaker 2: subutechs then what I'm doing for myself right now? And
Speaker 2: I said, the difference is you'll be in a safe
Speaker 2: space where they can help you achieve your goal of
Speaker 2: tapering down. Blah blah blah. He's gone. He died. He
Speaker 2: did not win that fight. He was so stubborn to
Speaker 2: the end and trying to fix it with a band
Speaker 2: aid here, there and everywhere. He didn't die of his
Speaker 2: drug of choice. He died of some crazy sleeping pill
Speaker 2: because it mixed with something else and he had, you know,
Speaker 2: sleep apnea. It was just like the combination of the
Speaker 2: dumbest things, right. It was like all the worst possible situation.
Speaker 2: Nothing was really lethal. And so when you see that
Speaker 2: and you see somebody lose that kind of a battle
Speaker 2: at thirty seven and it destroyed my mom, it's almost
Speaker 2: it's it's almost his aniversary date, and to this day
Speaker 2: it's been years and years and years. My mom's not
Speaker 2: okay right now. You know, I only am okay because
Speaker 2: I absolutely know he is with God, and I just
Speaker 2: have to let go because there were people that needed
Speaker 2: me when this happened. But other than that, like honestly,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do not want that to happen.
Speaker 1: Think about what you just said, though, okay, because we
Speaker 1: talked about before how people use these things as an
Speaker 1: excuse or as a crutch, like to get through life
Speaker 1: and do all the things, because you can't do anything
Speaker 1: by yourself. So think about how easy it would have
Speaker 1: been for you, with all the things that you've gone
Speaker 1: through in life, to use that as your crutch and
Speaker 1: your excuse, but you didn't. You chose a different route
Speaker 1: my one there.
Speaker 2: He was a doctor psychiatrist at our work. He was hysterical.
Speaker 2: He would come in at nights. He couldn't sleep at night,
Speaker 2: and he would always come in and do his paperwork
Speaker 2: at night time. And we would talk sometimes just in
Speaker 2: general about things, and he would say, how are you
Speaker 2: here and not here like in here? And it would
Speaker 2: make me laugh every single time, and I just would
Speaker 2: like crack up and say, because I chose.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent and all of this spoils down to that, right.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a choice that you make. Is it
Speaker 1: a smart choice? Is it a wise choice? Are you
Speaker 1: using your brain power to think about the implications from
Speaker 1: the choices that you make, not just this but everything
Speaker 1: in general. And like I said at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show, if you're a conspiracy theorist and you don't
Speaker 1: trust anything, but you're trust in this better looking, maybe
Speaker 1: time to reevaluate and think about the possible future permanent
Speaker 1: ramifications of this.
Speaker 2: And the fact that this may have been actually co
Speaker 2: opted to do exactly what it's doing, to.
Speaker 3: Do exactly have they ever done that to us?
Speaker 2: Oh? Never? And also I chose because I do want
Speaker 2: to mention this. I chose because I was able to choose.
Speaker 2: But if you needed help to first get better and
Speaker 2: then choose, that's still choosing to be okay too, to
Speaker 2: take that first step in the door. If you do
Speaker 2: need more help than what you can do at home,
Speaker 2: that's still a choice in the positive direction, because sometimes
Speaker 2: you just need that extra help.
Speaker 1: Well, and one thing, people who need help, especially males,
Speaker 1: don't ask for help. They don't want to be a burden,
Speaker 1: They don't want to bother somebody. They blah blah blah
Speaker 1: all the things. Yes, that is also a crutch, right,
Speaker 1: It's an excuse that people use because they feel the
Speaker 1: guilt and shame from things that they're doing, but they
Speaker 1: displace it or mirror it onto other people. I don't
Speaker 1: want to tell you because it will make your day
Speaker 1: worse if I tell someone.
Speaker 3: So that's not the thing.
Speaker 1: That is definitely not a thing for Heidi and I.
Speaker 1: If you need help, if you're struggling, if you need
Speaker 1: someone to talk to, doesn't have to be substance abuse.
Speaker 1: It could literally be about anything. You just need to
Speaker 1: get something off your chest, you need someone to talk to.
Speaker 3: That's what we're here for.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also there are suicide hotline numbers anywhere. You
Speaker 2: just have to google that.
Speaker 1: In yours as one of his website as Paranoia Radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll probably put that in the show notes
Speaker 2: because I think that would be helpful. But that is
Speaker 2: not giving in like just because you feel weak because
Speaker 2: you need help, that's stupid. Would you go get help
Speaker 2: if you broke your arm, you would, But mental health
Speaker 2: disorders don't go get help because they feel defective. You're
Speaker 2: not defective. You're in a situation, whether it's addiction or
Speaker 2: a mental health challenge or both. You don't know your
Speaker 2: capability or what you can become without that if you
Speaker 2: never take the first step.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and you have to have that desire
Speaker 1: and drive to want to make that change and to not.
Speaker 2: Use yes, it will be hostes.
Speaker 1: Or crutches anymore. You have to make that a priority
Speaker 1: in your life to be better.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And you if you say you're not going.
Speaker 2: My brother's biggest thing, he was a single dad. He
Speaker 2: would constantly say what will I do with my daughter?
Speaker 2: His daughter found him dead. I promise you the amount
Speaker 2: of destruction that that did to her ways was catastrophic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his ex wife killed herself shortly after he died. Like
Speaker 2: I am telling you guys, if you think you don't matter,
Speaker 2: at least ten people will be absolutely horrifically affected by
Speaker 2: your death if you do not get help.
Speaker 1: Trust me, it's that ripple effect. Yes, and so behaviors, thoughts,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff has a wide effect on people
Speaker 1: that you don't even know that you're affecting.
Speaker 2: And so God yokes us with those that we are
Speaker 2: with for a reason. And if you are gone, I
Speaker 2: don't know that that's something you recover from. So the
Speaker 2: other people in the family, great it is can be avoided.
Speaker 2: You might be a beautiful like my son is so
Speaker 2: different now he's a beautiful father, like all these things
Speaker 2: that he wouldn't have been if he wasn't here, right.
Speaker 1: So one hundred percent, And that's why I said, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that God works in our lives is very,
Speaker 1: very unique and very different, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: we just cannot see the plan. We can't see through
Speaker 1: the pain to see what's on the other side. But
Speaker 1: there's always something better that he hasn't say.
Speaker 2: And you matter, You matter, put yourself first, even before
Speaker 2: those kids because you can't take care of people. If
Speaker 2: you can't take care of you, that's not going to work.
Speaker 1: That's very true. So miss Heidi, where can people find
Speaker 1: you at?
Speaker 2: My dear? Of course, this is always a pleasure to
Speaker 2: do these with you. We got emotional and deep down
Speaker 2: there today. We hope you got to your feel goods
Speaker 2: so that you can go get that help that you
Speaker 2: need if you do need help, because you matter, You matter,
Speaker 2: and God made you here perfect in every way. We
Speaker 2: all stumble, we all fall, but we got to get
Speaker 2: back to our inner perfectness, which you have. It's there,
Speaker 2: you just got to go see it. So your hands
Speaker 2: aren't too big, Yeah, your feet aren't too big. I
Speaker 2: promise you can go and figure out the real you.
Speaker 2: It's like there's nothing that speaks better than that, right right,
Speaker 2: So it shows you that that's an illusion, and that's
Speaker 2: where they want us. They want us sad and all
Speaker 2: those things so.
Speaker 1: Well, they want us in that weakened, vulnerable stay so
Speaker 1: that other entities can enter and tear us down further
Speaker 1: because if we're weak, we can't fight back, right absolutely.
Speaker 2: So I had to say that last thing. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I know we're wrapping up. But I just I want
Speaker 2: people to know that they're special and that they're here
Speaker 2: for an absolute specific purpose, and that you will be loved,
Speaker 2: you will be missed, and you do matter. So and
Speaker 2: with that, you can find me at the Unfiltered Rice
Speaker 2: podcast everywhere podcasts are served Unfiltered Rice podcast dot com.
Speaker 2: My crazy life is why I started doing this, so
Speaker 2: that's why I have some of the crazy stories. Sorry.
Speaker 3: Second, that notion for you and for me as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Janet, in case they're watching you on
Speaker 2: my show, will you let them know where to find you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you can find a Plurable Nation on every podcast
Speaker 1: platform plus on Rumble. You can catch me on Instagram
Speaker 1: at Deplorable Janet. You can catch me on x at
Speaker 1: no Janet Kate. Now there you go.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, always a pleasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Oh love having you.
Speaker 1: We could literally talk for twelve hours and still not
Speaker 1: be talking.
Speaker 2: We should do a lady's marathon sometime. It would be fun. Well,
Speaker 2: I have to get up. We went back.
Speaker 3: We have to take pee breaks and stuff for sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so thank you for tuning in to another episode.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, We hope.
Speaker 1: You had some light bulbs go off in your head,
Speaker 1: or hope you learned something that you didn't know before.
Speaker 3: So for me and.
Speaker 1: Poor Heidi, thank you so much and we'll see.
Speaker 3: You next time. Have a good one.