1 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,399 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,960 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections correspondent at The 3 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,559 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:30,239 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:34,520 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,200 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,200 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:44,560 Our guest today is Don Brown, joining us to talk 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,399 about his new book Kangaroo Court, How dirty prosecutors and 10 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:55,159 sleazy lawyers destroy political opponents, attack free speech, and subvert 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,520 the Constitution. Don, thank you so much for joining us 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,320 on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Man, thanks for having me, Thanks for the great work 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,920 that you do with The Federalist on the podcast, in 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,200 the paper, and for what Molly does. You guys had 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,359 a lot of real in debt, intellectual conservative analysis to 17 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:16,840 the conversation. I really appreciate you well. 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for those kind words. And you know it's 19 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:23,000 authors like you examining some of the darkest chapters now 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,519 in American history that make this so important. But let's 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,280 be up front right away, we're not talking to Don 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,480 Brown here, Dan Brown, excuse me, there's no there's no 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,640 symbologist or cryptologist or murders that we know of in 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,599 the Louver Museum in your books. Am I correct on 25 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:44,079 that front. 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: It's like they say, what a difference a vowel makes? 27 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,200 And I guess a vowel makes a difference in a 28 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,280 number of millions in the bank account there. But no, 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,920 I joke around that. Dan is my younger, better looking 30 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:59,200 and wealthier cousin. I've written a lot more books than 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,959 he has. In fact, kantgrew Court was number sixteen. He's 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,799 written about three or four. But you know, when the 33 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:06,439 bell rings, it rings, so there you go. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, well step it up. Dan, you're kind of a 35 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:13,560 piker here. But perhaps we will have Tom Hanks play 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,919 the lead role in your latest book. And it is 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,680 a compelling book because we've lived it and you've studied 38 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:25,479 what we lived. There are no mincing of words here 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,360 how dirty prosecutors and sleazy lawyers destroy political opponents. But 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,560 I guess let's begin with how we got here in America. 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:44,439 Why is lawfare now so integral to politics, particularly on 42 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,280 the left in America? 43 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, and that's a great question and the Democrats. The 44 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,879 short answer is a Democrats to discovery that they can 45 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,199 bastardize the course, they can use the course as a 46 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,639 political weapon. And in the Trump cases, which hopefully are 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,439 now on down, we've seen the dismissal of the DC 48 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,520 case with just Shukin. Trump's attorneys are now trying to 49 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,520 get Mershan to dismiss the Newark case, the Rico case, 50 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,680 and George's all but dead because of Trump Vus. And 51 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:17,240 by the way, in Kangaroo Court I address all these cases. 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,479 The book was released about a week before the election 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,759 and predicts, based on these three significant Scotus decisions over 54 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,000 this past summer, they're going to unravel, and they should. 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,319 But the Trump cases have brought our attention to just 56 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,439 prosecutoral misconduct through political prosecutions on steroids. It is clear 57 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:40,199 in my judgment that while the Democrats used COVID as 58 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:42,919 an excuse to bend election rules and get away with 59 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,439 bloody murder during the twenty twenty election on many many fronts, 60 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:50,719 in particular six states Georgia, Pennsylvania, and I could go 61 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:55,599 down the list Wisconsin etcat C. At this time it 62 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,680 appeared that they tried law heir, and of course President 63 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:04,000 Trump was subjected to criminal prosecutions in four different courts 64 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:07,000 in Florida, in the in the. 65 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:10,159 Speaker 3: Document's case, which is bobush from the the beginning, because 66 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,400 you know, Jack Smith never informed the grand jury that 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,120 the Presidential Records Act is the defense to a former 68 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:21,800 president specifically is right to his records. 69 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,199 Speaker 2: That's specifically enumerated into President's Records Act. Then we had 70 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:27,680 in d C, of course, and we of course that 71 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,920 was the so called January sixth case with Judge Chucklin 72 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,560 and Jack Smith. And of course Fanny Willis enters the 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,879 fray in Georgia with this imaginative, ridiculous, rico type of 74 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,839 theory she comes up with her boyfriend, and then of 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,000 course in New York. So you're looking at four criminal prosecutions. 76 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,720 Then you're looking at multiple civil cases, including Latissia James, 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,279 the Attorney General of New York, basically trying to bankrupt 78 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,519 the president and his organization when there's no victim, when 79 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,480 the banks involved in the loans were happy to be 80 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,000 in the loans, when everybody made money. It's totally ridiculous. 81 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,040 Then you had in Colorado and several other jurisdic This 82 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 is the Colorado in particular, where they tried this ridiculous 83 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,199 use of the insurrection clause of the fourteenth Amendment to 84 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,519 try to take the president off the ballot. And of 85 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,279 course all this was aimed at trying to get him 86 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:13,360 off the ballot so that they knew they could not 87 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:17,639 beat him at the ballot. So we see all this 88 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,240 in the just the position of these cases against the 89 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,000 president all of the country. The American public did not buy. 90 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:25,639 They looked through the bs and the president won an 91 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,839 electoral landslide. But here's the thing, Matt, because you asked 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,439 the question, the Democrats have been doing this for a 93 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,959 number of years. It's just that the Trump prosecutions have 94 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,639 brought it to life. So in Kangaroo Court, what I 95 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,319 wanted to do was lay out the case case back, 96 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,720 case by case. About a third of the book, probably 97 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,040 toward the end, deals with the Trump cases, but two 98 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,519 thirds before that we're looking at easy to read chapters 99 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:54,639 involving cases that were in the news, probably covered by 100 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,120 the Federalists and Fox and others, but have sort of 101 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,759 faded into oblivion. So, for example, the Democrats prosecuted the 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,279 former governor of Texas, Rick Perry for vetoing a bill 103 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,000 which he had absolutely right to do that the Texas 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,639 constitution gives a governor the line on in vito, which 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,920 we should have in the US Constitution. Prosecuted that guy, dismissed. 106 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,199 Tom Delay, the former House Majority leader, was prosecuted and 107 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,720 of course convicted there. In fact, I made the argument, 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,000 you could look at Travis County, Texas, which is where 109 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,319 the state Kapa Austin is located, may have have been 110 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,040 sort of like ground zero for these things because they 111 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,480 went after Rick Perry, they went Tom Delay there, they 112 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,920 went after former Centaer Kay Bailey Hudges in there, and 113 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:39,759 it has been just a cesspool. But it's been one 114 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,160 case after the other. Ted Stevens, the former Alaska Senator 115 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:45,680 who was the longest serving Republic senator at the time 116 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,959 when Obama came in, democratated that seat. So they come 117 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,480 up with his wild theory that Ted Stevens did not 118 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,319 report some work done by a contractor on his house. 119 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,759 They prosecute him, They get him convicted by the skin 120 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,639 of his teeth. He loses that seat. Within six months. 121 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:05,439 The federal judge finds prosecutor of misconduct throws the case out. 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,600 One of the prosecutors commits suicide. It was so bad, 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,360 and it goes on and on, and so the book 124 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,920 is looking about twenty five or so of these cases. 125 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:16,759 And it's not just you know, political figures like the 126 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:19,800 names that I've mentioned, you know, Hunches and Stevenson, you 127 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:24,160 know Governor Perry, Governor Bob McDonald of course, the former 128 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,800 governor of Virginia, who was prosecuted by the Saint Jack 129 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,240 Smith reverse eight to zero by the US Supreme Court 130 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,439 after spending twenty seven million dollars and appeals, but also 131 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:37,240 average Americans. So when when Scotus reverses Roe v. Wade, which, 132 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:40,439 as I believe Ruth Bader Ginsburg said once was on 133 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,360 a collision course with itself, we have a few intellectently 134 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:46,319 honest Democrats who understood that it was a constitutional train wreck. 135 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,279 So when it's reversed in a Dobbs case, you see 136 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:53,519 the Biden Justice Department essentially anger, you know, feeling anger 137 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,920 and retaliating. Has two pro life fathers, Mark Halck got 138 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,279 a Philadelphia and Paul Vaughan out of Tennessee, going after 139 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,720 them under the so called Face Act. The backs. Yeah, 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,240 so they get one convicted. Unfortunately, Paul Vaughan, excuse me, Paul, 141 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:12,279 Paul Vaughan, Mark Half both are defended by the Thomas 142 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:16,600 More Society and great organization in Philadelphia. Fortunately, there's video 143 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:22,120 footage from nearby stores there that show that it was 144 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,199 a pro abortion activist that antagonize a shoving match between 145 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,480 Mark Holt, which the DOJ held from the grand jury there. 146 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,759 But he was acquitted. But these are average guys. They're 147 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:38,120 just Christian guys, just fathers of many children who were 148 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,039 going out expressing their faith, exercising their rights to the 149 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,080 First Amendment. Weren't breaking anything, won't harm anybody. And you 150 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,200 have Douglas Mackie, of course, the cartoonists who in twenty 151 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:52,039 sixteen does a cartoon lampooting Hillary's voters as being kind 152 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:53,919 of dumb. And I have to agree with him on 153 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,679 that point. And then in twenty twenty one, nearly five 154 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:02,639 years later, the Biden Justice Department prosecutes him for a 155 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,279 cartoon when the Supreme Court had clearly you know, in 156 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,279 the famous case of Hustler Magazine versus Fallwell, when Jerry 157 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:14,080 Falwell went after Hustler Magazine for some derogatory images that 158 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,960 were placed there of Jerry Fowell. The images showed Jerry Fowell, 159 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:20,720 he thought having incestors. The mother and Fallwell sued them 160 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,720 when always Supreme Court. Supreme Court essentially said, hey, this 161 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:26,679 may be repugnant, but it is protected by the First Amendment. 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,480 But when it comes to art against a Democrat, they 163 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:34,159 get prosecuted. And that's what the Biden the Justice Department 164 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,639 did to Douglas McKay. So the point of the matter 165 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:40,039 is it isn't just a Trump cases. They've been using 166 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:46,799 this as their modus operandi for preservation of political power 167 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,080 and attacking opponents. Now going on over thirty years. It 168 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:53,720 seems to have accelerated in the age of Obama and 169 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:57,039 just exploded. I mean, they went after the first two Congressmen, 170 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,559 Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins that endorsed Donald Trump in 171 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,360 twenty seventeen, and they went after you know, they went 172 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:11,080 after you know, Steve Mannon and Steve and Navarro and 173 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:15,200 General Flynn mothers simply for their association with the president. 174 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,519 So I wanted to write Kangaroo Court because I felt 175 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,279 like that the case needs to be laid out against 176 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:28,399 the Democrat showing the frequency of these ridiculous political prosecutions 177 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,279 leading up to an including of course, the Trump prosecutions 178 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:34,840 that we're now hopefully finally getting through. I'll feel much 179 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:39,120 better when the Manhattan case is gone, and when the 180 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:42,080 Georgia case is gone. They are dead on arrival. But 181 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,679 we need to understand that these prosecutions are basically number one, 182 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,679 and I argue this in the book, they are an 183 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,799 attack on the United States Constitution because this is a 184 00:10:53,879 --> 00:11:00,480 bastardization of our judicial system for political purposes. But they're 185 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,000 an attack on the in this case, look at the 186 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,960 Trump case of the president's First Amendment right of free speech. 187 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,639 They're an attack on the president's associates such as Bannon, 188 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,039 Navarro and others. First Amendment right, the freedom of association, 189 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,360 that's that the Supreme Court is held the First Amendment 190 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:20,440 and bodies freedom of association. They're an attack on the 191 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,480 president's Fourth Amendment right. When you look at the mar 192 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,000 A Lago ray, and then when you look at the 193 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:28,440 attack and the prosecutions that Fanny Wilson has brought against 194 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,440 Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and my friend Jack Smith 195 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,679 and others there in Fulton County. When you attack a 196 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:42,039 defendant's attorneys because your real target is their client. So 197 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,559 Fanny Wilson is prosecuting these lawyers because they want the 198 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 lawyers to flip to go on Trump. What you're doing 199 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,080 is your attacking the attorney client privilege. And think about that. 200 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,440 When you go in to talk to an attorney, matt 201 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,320 you have the right and the expectation in English and 202 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,399 American jurisprudence, especially American jurisprudence to what you say to 203 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,320 a lawyer is confidential. Ninety nine percent of the cases 204 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,799 is confidential, and that and that that whatever you say 205 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,559 won't be used against you. So the attorney client privilege 206 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,000 is wrapped up in the Fifth Amendment right against self 207 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:17,639 incrimination and also the sixth Amendment right to effective assistance 208 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:21,799 of council criminal cases. So when they prosecute lawyers, they're 209 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,720 attacking the fifth and sixth Amendment because they're trying to 210 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,039 erode through attorney client privilege. Then you have you you 211 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,720 mentioned law fairbship, the fifteenth Amendment, you have the nineteenth Amendment, 212 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:35,039 and you have the twenty sixth Amendment, all guaranteeing the 213 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,559 right to vote. And the right to vote is also 214 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:40,000 set forth as you know, in the in the first 215 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,039 in article one and two, when we talk about the 216 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,200 Electoral College, the election of the direct election of members 217 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,919 of the Congress, and article one, you're looking at a 218 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,320 direct attack against your right, am I right to vote 219 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,960 to the franchise. So it is an attack on the 220 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,879 constitutional right of every American to choose and to vote 221 00:12:55,919 --> 00:12:57,200 for whom they would wish to vote for. 222 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: But done, But done. Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. 223 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,399 Speaker 2: That's what we've. 224 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,879 Speaker 1: Heard over and over and over again from the left, 225 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:17,279 from Kamala Harris and Tim Walls and the DNC and 226 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:21,960 all of their surrogates. That's what they campaigned on, Donald threat. 227 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,399 Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. But what you 228 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:31,120 have just laid out extensively is a real legitimate threat 229 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,480 to democracy coming from the radicalized left in America. You know, 230 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:41,159 it reminds me of Harry Reid back in the Romney 231 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,679 Obama election, you know, in the irs case or the 232 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:50,120 tax situation. You know, Mitt Romney not reporting his taxes 233 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,120 and the big lie that was attached to it was 234 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,639 a massive lie. And Harry Reid acknowledged after Obama won 235 00:13:57,279 --> 00:13:59,399 that it was a massive lie. And they asked him 236 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:03,600 why did you lie? And he said, effectively, well, we won, 237 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,000 didn't we Isn't that what this is really all about. 238 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:11,480 At the end of the day, love left trying to 239 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,159 take over power, consolidate power, consolidate power and keep power. 240 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: You know. I have a friend who had a conversation 241 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:22,960 with Dable to ask a Rod, and they were talking politics, 242 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,720 and the friend told David Astrod, you guys don't play 243 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:30,960 about the rules, and Asterod responded to words, it is 244 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,799 effect I didn't hear the conversation. There are no rules. 245 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:37,320 And the Democrat and that may be, you know, a 246 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,440 legendary thing or why, But nonetheless, the Democrats do not 247 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,360 play by rules. They do not respect the Constitution. The 248 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:47,559 Democrat Party, in my opinion, at the national level, now, 249 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:51,240 there are fine people, Richard Democrats, that are Goden country 250 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,559 and sauted the earth folks out there that don't think 251 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,679 twice about anything other than putting food on the table. 252 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:58,840 But the National Democrat Party has become largely criminal syndic 253 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,519 It has become it has become the biggest threat to 254 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:05,440 the United States Constitution that there is on the face 255 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,720 of the planet day because they're seeking to subvert it 256 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,960 from within. They will use rhetoric that is exactly opposite 257 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,879 of the truth. And so what you were saying there, 258 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,279 Trump is a threat to democracy. First off. In an 259 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,200 article for Session four, the United States and Constitution of 260 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,200 Republic not a democracy in James Madison said democracies must 261 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,440 bile form of government. But I won't go off on 262 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,480 a tangent there, but you get the point. They the 263 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,279 the real threat are these political prosecutors. And I make 264 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,639 the argument that we need to shut these political prosecutions 265 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:38,159 down because they're a bastardization of the court system. You 266 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,600 look at them, millions and millions and millions of dollars 267 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:43,919 that are spent in everybody. The public knows you take 268 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:46,399 Jack Ford Smith for example, the public knows are Fanning 269 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,679 Wells or Alphaband that these cases are brought primarily for 270 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,879 political motivation. And so what is a political prosecution. It's 271 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:59,360 a case primary for political you know, motivations. People say, well, 272 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,799 if you're probably secute, the prosecutors, you know, want that 273 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:06,320 want that to ter, you know, prosecutions against lawless, lawless 274 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,799 figures in government. Well, no, there's a difference between a 275 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,480 political prosecution. And I've been a prosecutor myself, so, and 276 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:14,879 I've been a lawyer, I still am. So when I'm 277 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:17,399 when I'm seeing dirty and sleazy lawyers, I'm working in 278 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,320 this profession, so I know when I see them versus 279 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,879 a meat and potato crime, what do I mean by 280 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,279 meat and potato type crime. I'm talking about crimes that 281 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,639 are direct injury to person, property, murder, larceny, rape, breaking 282 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:35,360 and entering, you know, ribery, whatever. These are meat and 283 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:39,600 potato type crimes. But these these political crimes usually start 284 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:42,519 with conspiracy to and then fill in the blank. And 285 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:44,519 in the book can Report, you know, we look at 286 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:48,440 we have a couple of chapters looking at political prosecutions 287 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,240 and other you know, Banana republic type of governments, going 288 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,759 the way back to the fall the Roman Republic, when 289 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,080 the Roman Republic devolved in the Roman Empire, all the 290 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,159 way through Cambodian Venezuela, the Commonist China, the Wymer Republic, 291 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,599 you know, bleeding into to the Nazi to Nazi Germany 292 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:10,000 to Soviet Russia to the Chia comps and conspiracy that 293 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,160 the charge of conspiracy is a common denominator that basically 294 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,279 floats from uh, you know, the first political prosecutions from 295 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,480 time immemorial up into what the Democrats have been doing. 296 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,480 So you can stay conspiracy and fill in the blank. 297 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:25,880 So he's trying to find a way that as Jack Smith, 298 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,119 to prosecute the president, you know in in in d C. 299 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,720 So it's conspiracy to defraud the United States. What kind 300 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,279 of bs is that, Matt, Conspiracy to defraud the United States, 301 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:38,599 to fraud of the United States and what. But see 302 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,839 they use conspiracy as a pitch, as a kind of 303 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,960 like a pitching tool to move forward these political prosecutions. 304 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,240 I made the argument in the book, and I'll stand 305 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:49,920 by this that we need rogue prosecutor laws. Watch the 306 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,519 rogue prosecutor law wrote prosecute law is would be a 307 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:54,440 law in Congressly jump on this. I know they're gonna 308 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,119 have a lot of their plate, but we've got two 309 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,039 years Republican Congress. I don't know if we can get 310 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:01,160 the rhinos to go along. But any pro secutor who 311 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:05,720 is in retrospect you two have brought a prosecution primarily 312 00:18:05,799 --> 00:18:09,759 for political purposes, that prosecutor, that prosecutor should be subject 313 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:13,799 to funding prosecution himself. So Jack Smith should be worried 314 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:16,720 if political if we're going to road prosecutor laws in place. 315 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,079 He should be worried that, Pam Bonni, it appears our 316 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:23,079 next Trade General can review this conduct guard on the 317 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,119 same thing. If they are if they if they are 318 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,440 found to have brought a prosecution primarily for political purposes, 319 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:32,880 they ought to be subject to prosecution. Look, here's the 320 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,000 reason for that. These prosecutions are an attack on the 321 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,359 United States Constitution. And I laid out several of the 322 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 amendments that are in play and that are vulnerable as 323 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,519 a result of these prosecutions. They are a serious threat 324 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:49,359 to our I'll say it correctly, our constitutional republic. They 325 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,279 are far more in it. It's like it's like whether 326 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:54,079 where the Biden says, I'm not going to pardon them all, 327 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:55,759 part of them all, and then she pardons them, and 328 00:18:55,839 --> 00:19:00,640 then and then and then and then Kamala says Trumps 329 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,960 he's tired, he's getting tired and fatigued. And Trump's out there. 330 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:06,799 You know, he's sleeping three hours a night. You know, 331 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,319 he's running, He's campaign in twenty hour days. You know. 332 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,839 But they accuse you what they're guilty of themselves. These 333 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,720 are a real existential threat. And when the other problem 334 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,279 from a practical standpoint. You know, our judicial system should 335 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,880 be Sacker saying, you know, there's the image of lady 336 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,279 liberty and being blind, and especially the criminal prostitutal system 337 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:32,440 should not be ever brought based upon someone's desire to 338 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:36,240 destroy a political opponent simply to gain power themselves. It's 339 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:38,519 what the Democrats try to do these and to me, 340 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,960 that is that that is a much much. First of all, 341 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,440 there is none. I looked at every charge brought against 342 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,720 the president and look and have come to this conclusion far before, 343 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,039 long before Supreme Court got ahold of two cases and 344 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,799 a third that you know between the you know, the 345 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,480 USB Trump and the Fisher case, the Earlinger case, those 346 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:57,720 are the three I'm talking about before the tru the 347 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,640 court got a hold of those cases. It's very clear to me, 348 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,680 every one, every one of these charges, these criminal charts 349 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,839 are absolute bogus. And we can spend the whole you know, 350 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,119 interview on those and explaining why, but they're brought bogus. 351 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:10,759 You know, you look at in New York you have 352 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:13,319 Cyrus Vance turning that case down. You know, they they 353 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,319 typically have two year stash limitations on falsification of records, 354 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:20,319 so they have to stretch it into a felony, so 355 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,359 they they have to put some sort of felony intent 356 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,759 to you know, to to defraud the taxpayers or to 357 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,319 violate the UH, the UH the elections statue of the 358 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,200 United States or New York. And they're still they're still 359 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:36,799 you know, short of the stash limitations. So they stretch 360 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:39,559 it out by virtue of the fact that that Colomo 361 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,559 by executive or extend the statue limitations for COVID, which 362 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,119 he doesn't have a legal right to do, and the 363 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,240 Democratic judge and do it. That just just how they 364 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:49,279 stretch it, just stretching it to get in there. And 365 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:53,319 these are criminals, These prosecutors are criminals themselves. They are 366 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,400 a danger to the constitutional. 367 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: Reput Well that is that is the question then ultimately, 368 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,440 because you talk about all of these cases, what happened 369 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,440 in New York, what's happened specifically in Manhattan, in Georgia, 370 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,440 in Florida, in Washington, d C. And I want to 371 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,480 get to that. Of course, in just a moment. 372 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 4: They allow IRS agents to go after you even though 373 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,640 they don't pay their taxes. The watch Dot on Wall 374 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,960 Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack 375 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,319 the connection between politics and the economy and how it 376 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,759 affects your wallet. The IRS agents audered in you owe 377 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:31,279 a lot in back taxes. Six thousand IRS workers owe 378 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:34,880 a total of fifty million dollars. Whether it's happening in 379 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359 DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 380 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: Be informed. 381 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 382 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,200 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 383 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Our guest today is Don Brown joining us to talk 384 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,000 about his new book Kangaroo Court. How dirty prosecutors and 385 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:56,519 sleazy lawyers destroy political opponents, attack free speech, and subvert 386 00:21:56,599 --> 00:22:00,599 the Constitution. There's a lot to unpack there done and 387 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,880 what I want to ask you is, will anybody ever 388 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,599 be held accountable? Will Jack Smith, Will Alvin Bragg, will 389 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:14,960 these judges who also massage the law to fit what 390 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,799 the prosecutors we're looking for. I mean, you have judges 391 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,799 that are working hand in hand with prosecutors. This is 392 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:28,240 supposed to be an adversarial relationship. That's what makes our 393 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,599 system so, you know, important, so wonderful is that you 394 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,720 have an adversarial legal system. You know, and as as 395 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,160 a decent attorney. I think I know the answer to 396 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,119 this question because I've reported on it over and over again. 397 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,680 There seems to never be any accountability. Can there be 398 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:50,519 accountability this time around? 399 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: That's a great question, man. One of the reasons I'm 400 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 calling forgue prosecutor laws is to give us something with teeth. 401 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,319 There should be an investigation, and I'll talk about that 402 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,759 in a second. Essentially two federal acts that could come 403 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,079 into play. First, there as a Hatch Act, which is 404 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,720 pretty much toothless. But the Hatch Act prohibits any federal 405 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,839 employee and executive department from you know, using their position 406 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,319 to interfere in an election. And when you when you 407 00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:20,240 when you're dropping you know, indictments right to time it 408 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:24,000 with the Iowa Caucuses. That's a violation a Hatch Act. 409 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,599 But there's no real teeth. I think it's like a 410 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,640 five hundred, five thousand dollars five and department from working 411 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,799 for the federal government for years is toothless. Then there 412 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,799 is there is a possibility conspiracy against rights. Now this 413 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,920 is in the United States Code makes it a fellony 414 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,200 ten years for anyone under the color of law to 415 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,599 conspire to deprive a person of their constitutional rights? And 416 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,640 so is there a conspiracy here? Well, it appears that 417 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,880 the Biden you know, Justice Department had had intertwinings with 418 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,480 Alvin Bragg's team in New York. We have seen that 419 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,799 Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch, God bless them, have sent 420 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,680 wanted the fault judgment now in the Fulton County from 421 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,359 a superior court on a Foyer case. Uh, you know 422 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,839 they're going to get access to communications between the January 423 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,920 sixth Committee and Fanny Willis Fannie Fanny, how have you 424 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,920 pronounced it? My apologies if I mispronounced it, but it 425 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,279 was an intentional But I believe that there should be 426 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,799 there should be an investigation under a conspiracy rights theory. 427 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,640 And if there is, if it's determined that there was 428 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,559 a conspiracy amongst multiple more two or more persons to 429 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,720 deprive the president or others of their constitutional rights, then 430 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,200 the the investigation should at least move forward. I'm not 431 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,680 optimistic that there is going to be the type of 432 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,160 justice that we that we need or that is deserved, 433 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720 but these these cases should be investigated very thoroughly under 434 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,279 that theory. 435 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,279 Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yes, And isn't it clear that the 436 00:24:54,799 --> 00:25:00,799 president's constitutional rights were violated over and over again Supreme Court. 437 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,759 You know, just as we talk about Colorado and Maine 438 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,559 and these other places that tried to deny Donald Trump 439 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:14,279 from the ballot and disenfranchised, talk about violating rights, disenfranchising 440 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,079 millions upon millions of voters trying to kick him off 441 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:24,119 the ballot on a bogus insurrection clause argument. I mean, 442 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,319 that's a clear deprivation of rights. But I don't see 443 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,720 you know, the court system in Colorado or the Secretary 444 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,680 of State they're being held accountable for anything. 445 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: Well that that's the problem, because a lot of a 446 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,440 lot of a lot of this has to do with 447 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,799 where you're picking your jury, you're picking your judge, and 448 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:49,599 of course you know, Manhattan was selected with a calculated 449 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,839 purpose because you knew you're going to get a trumpeting 450 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,799 jury who would would have convicted the president for you know, 451 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,519 making a peanut butter and joy sand, which if the 452 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:03,559 Democrat prosecuted Democrat, that we're a crime. So venue is 453 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,160 certainly a problem, you know, but all that aside from 454 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,039 a strategic standpoint, the new Attorney General should launch investigations 455 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,200 based upon deprophas and rights under the United States Code. 456 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:19,400 In my opinion, because you're correct. The president's constitutional rights 457 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,559 have been violated on multiple fronts, freedom of speech and 458 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,160 the freedom of association. And you know you look for example, 459 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,759 you guys are kind of to publish an op ed 460 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,920 that I wrote about three weeks ago on Jack Smith 461 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,960 stepping down quickly as quickly as he did. Unlike Chris Ray, 462 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,680 who apparently is going to wait until Trump is inaugurated 463 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920 and way to get fired, Jack Smith will plug pretty 464 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,880 quick as soon as the president. You want a landside 465 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,279 victory because what's happened is the federal judgment in Florida 466 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Highleian Cannon has taken her cue from Justice Thomas, whose 467 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,640 concurrence in Trump v. Us said this in emotion that 468 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,279 Jack Smith was appointed illegally in violating the epoyments, and 469 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,640 he doesn't want that in front of the Eleventh Circuit. 470 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,799 He doesn't want this Justice Department under Garland certainly doesn't 471 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:12,240 want a federal appeals court affirming the United States District 472 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,119 Court that the appointments clause has been violated, because if 473 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,359 you think about it, it's one thing to have, as 474 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,680 US District Court judge said, and their nutcase Dustin Court 475 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,759 judges or the judge can is a great one, but 476 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240 having US Appeals Court is another thing. And if that's 477 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,319 the case, you got to think about Robert Muller too, 478 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,640 because Robert Muller also in my judgment, you know, stretching 479 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,680 the logic one more step, was appointed in violation the 480 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,559 appointments clause. And where does that lead. You know, they're 481 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,799 investigating Russia, Russia, Russia. Not one single Trump associate and 482 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,960 that's key freedom of association. The Supreme Court says it's 483 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,599 protected in the First Amendment. Not one single Trump associate 484 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:54,559 who was prosecuted, from Papa Dallas, Papadopoulos to General Flynn, 485 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,119 you know, to man Afford, Just go down list, not one, 486 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,720 not one was ever convicted in connection with any sort 487 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,759 of Russia speculations. So what they do with Manaphort they 488 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,119 go back ten years or so and find a tax charge, 489 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000 you know. With with General Flynn, they make all he 490 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,720 lied to the FBI even though the agents, and we 491 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,359 discussed this in Kangaroo Court as well, even though the 492 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,599 agents on the ground didn't think he was lying. They 493 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,039 threatened to prosecute a son. These are the type of 494 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,240 tactics that be used. But the point is if the 495 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,400 head is cut off the snake. If the argument is 496 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,759 made that Muller was unconstitutionusly appointed, also, then every one 497 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,519 of those prosecutions under his tentacles should be wiped out. 498 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,799 There's something akin to the fruit of the boards tree doctrine, 499 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,480 akin to it. It isn't an evidentary question, but it's 500 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:48,799 a question of constitutional you know, of constitutional vulnerability. They was, 501 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,359 there was never you know. The Justice Thomas points out 502 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,599 the Article two station two claws to officers of the 503 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,039 United States would be appointed by the President, but inferior 504 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,000 officers must be appointed by legislation from the Congress. So 505 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,440 some of the most distinguished positions in the government, for example, 506 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,359 United States Attorney or United States Marshals or others, are 507 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,880 are appointed strictly under a specific sections of the United 508 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,119 States Code. We had such a section for the Independent 509 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,359 Council Statue, which expired June thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine, and 510 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,799 nothing has ever been passed by the Congress. Street places 511 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,880 and Mullard excuse me. Garland claims he has a right 512 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,119 to appoint you know, Jack Smith under the dj regulations 513 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,000 which give him rights of the personnel, manage the personnel. 514 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,119 But I'm sorry. DLJ regulations don't trump the US Constitution. 515 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,359 So there is a method of the madness there, and 516 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,079 I got off a little bit. But the point of 517 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:51,480 the matter is these Democrat prosecutors will use and violate 518 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,839 the law, violate the Constitution in order to to acquire 519 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,519 political power. 520 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: Well, Merrick Garland, Merrick Garland thought that he had the 521 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:06,759 right to harass parents at school board meetings. Merrick Garland 522 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,559 thought he had the right to harass legitimate protesters outside 523 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:18,000 abortion clinics. You know, this guy, scarily enough, could have 524 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,799 been a Supreme Court justice. Just think about that. But 525 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,319 I wanted to ask you too. You mentioned this before. 526 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,720 This is not just about Donald Trump, although certainly Donald 527 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:34,400 Trump has experienced the brunt of law fare and these illegal, 528 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,039 unconstitutional prosecutions. But I wanted to get your take as 529 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:42,480 well on the alternate Electors of twenty twenty. That is 530 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,000 a case that continues to go on in places like 531 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:50,440 Arizona and Wisconsin. And you know, it has been billed 532 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,119 by the accomplice media as the fake Elector's story. This 533 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,599 is one of the greatest injustices. 534 00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:58,599 Speaker 2: I think about. 535 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: You know, these attorneys who were doing their level best 536 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,200 to help their client. In this case, their client just 537 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,519 happened to be the left's most hated enemy, Donald Trump, 538 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,119 following the disputed and quite frankly rigged twenty twenty election. 539 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000 I think of guys like Judge Jim troopis out of 540 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,519 Dane County, Wisconsin, the Madison area, who's been a respected 541 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:30,720 judge forever, and he remains locked into this nasty, clearly 542 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:37,920 political investigation led ostensibly by the Department of Justice in Wisconsin. 543 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,359 The leftist Attorney General Josh call who I believe has 544 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200 visions of running for governor in twenty twenty six, and 545 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,359 that's what this case is really all about. But he's 546 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:51,160 getting his marching orders from Washington, d C. Can you 547 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,720 speak to this, because what I'm hearing from folks is 548 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,359 that this is a prime example of why this kind 549 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,440 of leftist led lawfare that has nothing to do with 550 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,759 the actual law but mainly politics, will continue to go 551 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:06,440 on and on. 552 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, you bring up a great point, and I've touched 553 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,079 basically briefly on this in the book, but an entire 554 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,680 book could be written on the persecution of these alternate electors. Listen, 555 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,440 this is a class example of the tyrannical federal jack boot. 556 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,200 Whereas they simply make up and state also depend on 557 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440 the state, they make up crimes that are not there. 558 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,920 You won't find any statutory crime listed for being an 559 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440 alternative elector. In fact, you and I both know that. 560 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,359 In the nineteen sixty election. 561 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely right, Yeah, Hawaiisan's two sets of delegates, one for Kennedy, 562 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,359 went for Nixon, and Richard Nixon, who has just lost 563 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,160 the lection to JFK makes he makes a discretionary call 564 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880 based upon what he believes or his powers under. 565 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: The constitution, to recognize one of the sets of delegates 566 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,440 or the other. My rec collection is he recognized the 567 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,319 Kennedy del It wouldn't have mattered. But nonetheless, there is 568 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,440 no crime for you know, autun of election fraud for 569 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:13,400 alternative electors. These these folks were acting under precedent, under 570 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:18,960 historical and constitutional president to challenge and to make challenges 571 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,160 that needed to be made in every one of these states. 572 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,920 I was doing some work on the ground, you know, 573 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,519 working with some Republican witnesses, and we were taking affidavits 574 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,400 from folks there in the I think it was a 575 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,039 TGF center in Detroit that've changed the name of it. 576 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,119 But I can tell you we had Republican you know, 577 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,160 observers on the ground who saw multiple ballots from military 578 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,079 guys born in nineteen hundred being brought in and the 579 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:51,359 Democrats were just counting in, counting and counting, and the 580 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,680 disaster goes on and on, and no court actually looked 581 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,519 at any of that substantively. So the Constitution gives us 582 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,599 a right, I mean, there's absolute First Amendment right to 583 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:06,680 speak out. But this whole alternate elector's prosecution scheme and 584 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,800 the prosecute these prosecutor me to be prosecuted, and they 585 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,880 need to be there needs to be federal there need 586 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,480 That's why we needed at the federal level, so that 587 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,760 if we hadn't we had road prosecutor loss Pam BONDI 588 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,239 could then look into the actions of these of these 589 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,199 crazy Democrats in Wisconsin or I believe in Arizona. They're 590 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,320 trying the same thing now where they're trying to go 591 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,920 after you know, decent Americans or Republicans who simply let 592 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,800 their names be be put on an at lectures list, which, 593 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,760 if you follow the president from the president excuse me, 594 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,079 from nineteen sixty would have been up to you know, 595 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,840 the Vice President of the United States, either to accept 596 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,599 or not accept or or or by the way Pence 597 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,519 himself could have There are a number of things you 598 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,360 could do when he comes on. Disingenuously, says I, I 599 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,880 on that day the President asked me to put himself 600 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,960 over the constitution. President Trump never did that, you know, 601 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,480 I mean, never did that. But this is just another example, 602 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,280 like the j sixers that are still sitting in prison, 603 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,239 they never been brought to trial. Federal, the tyrannical federal 604 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,880 jack boot is being used to crush innocent Americans for 605 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,840 political reasons. Because those innocent Americans are exercising their First 606 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,760 Amendment rights and calling them fake electors is just like 607 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800 you know, you know, if you and I are we 608 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,599 ask a question about what happened, we get called election deniers. 609 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:32,920 That is just it's just a textbook gobiles. You know, 610 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,400 you just repeat the lie enough and enoughing of people 611 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,079 started believing it. Which is why I appreciate what y'all 612 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:39,639 are doing here at the Federal is to continue to 613 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,360 bring these issues to bear. But those prosecutors need to 614 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,559 be dealt with harshly. You ask a question a few 615 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,039 minutes ago will have happened and may or may not, 616 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,320 probably not, but nonetheless they need to be investigated, and 617 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,920 under a deprivation of rights theory, there should be an 618 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,079 investigation against every one of these prosecutors. Bringing a fake 619 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,920 elector charge is under a federal deprivation of right's theory, 620 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,599 and they at least ought to feel some of the heat. 621 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,880 Even if you can't get the hook into debate, they 622 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,840 need to feel the heat because they have thrown the 623 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000 Constitution in the trash can with these cases, as far. 624 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,679 Speaker 1: As i'm and that leads us, I think to my 625 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,119 final question, and it is back to accountability because there 626 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,239 is an opportunity, there is a window, as you noted, 627 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,800 with Republican control of Congress, Republican control of the White House, 628 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,840 and a Supreme Court that is steeped in federalism, in 629 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:41,760 federalist values. Thankfully, that this is an opportunity to rectify 630 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:49,599 some things. It's going to take one significant situation to happen, 631 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960 and this is the one that worries me the most. 632 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,079 If we are going to see accountability of the rogue 633 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:04,639 prosecutors and the law, it's the Republicans themselves you talked about, 634 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,800 you know, recognizing the fact that the left will never 635 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,559 play by the rules and they will never stop. It's 636 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:19,000 like rust. The radical left in this country will never sleep. 637 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,079 And so with that said, we have had Republicans, we 638 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,559 need conservatives, so to speak, in this country for a 639 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,639 long time saying we're going to play by the rules 640 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,239 and that's great, but you know, we're going to let 641 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,840 bygones be bygones in the spirit of unity. And they 642 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,760 really do believe that somehow the Democratic Party is going 643 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,320 to come along on the unity ride. Do you have 644 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,079 any faith that the new Republican majority in the Senate 645 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,800 and the sustained Republican majority in the House will actually 646 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:03,760 perform as if if they remember what Democrats have done, 647 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,679 what the left has done in this country. 648 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,159 Speaker 2: Well, you you ask a good question, and recall we 649 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,400 had Republican control of the Senate of the House the 650 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,320 first two years of President Trump's first term. Remember John 651 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,199 McCain on the Obamacare question, the famous thumbs down. And 652 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,199 from what we have seen, Matt answer your question with 653 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,320 some of the president's initial you know, uh, suggested nominees 654 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,760 for the cabinet. You've got a cat a handful of 655 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,679 the same questionable characters. Murkowski Collins. Of course, I think. 656 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,079 I think even though you know hughme maybe now the leader, 657 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,960 I think we have a puppet puppeteer situation like doing 658 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,519 the House where McConnell still wants to keep the strings 659 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,039 uh in play as long as you can. But you've 660 00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,719 got McConnell, you got you've got Fune, you've got the 661 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,480 two women, Murkowski and Collins, and you've got John Corny 662 00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,800 who bounces back and forth, been on what day it is? 663 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,960 You got Ron's replacement out in Arizona. So to answer 664 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,920 your question, I don't have confidence that we you know that, 665 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000 I don't have confidence in the US in it even 666 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,599 with a majority. I'm sort of I'm more sort of 667 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,280 in a believer when I'll see that type of thing. 668 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,519 I don't think those six things that I've just called for. 669 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,519 You have the guts to do the things we need 670 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,239 to do. And with the House, you know you've got 671 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,719 you know we have razor film majority. We're still trying 672 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,519 to sort out of the last seat out in California. 673 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,880 The members of the House that have resigned to go 674 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,119 to the President's Cabinet or to attempt to go are 675 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,760 gonna have to be replaced so that's gonna have to 676 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,440 come to place. We don't know who their papments are 677 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,440 going to be there in Republican districts, we assume they're 678 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,199 going to be Republicans. But no, I don't have a 679 00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,119 lot of faith in it. You know, the Rhinos and 680 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,599 the Republican Party have do almost as much damage as 681 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,599 the Democrats in some ways, because the Democrats you know 682 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,199 where they're coming from. You just don't know where the 683 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,719 Rhino's coming from. You know, half the time they should 684 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,679 be a Democrat. Anyway, Rodney's just switch parties and you 685 00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:55,639 know this change should have done a long time ago. 686 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,199 And the list goes on on. So to answer your question, 687 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,000 I'm I am hopeful the president has a very solid mandate. 688 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,480 He's coming in with a position of much more power 689 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,920 and authority than before, and so I have confidence that 690 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719 his ability to put the squeeze on is going to 691 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,480 be more affected than it might have been in twenty seventeen. 692 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,280 But I'm still suspicious of the afore mentioned characters, and 693 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,400 we'll just have to wait to see what happens in January. 694 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: Well, this is a fascinating book and it is written 695 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,840 in real time. I mean as you noted earlier in 696 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,679 our conversation, this was published right before the election. All 697 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,760 of these what we have experienced in this country over 698 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,679 the last more than four years, really since Donald Trump 699 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,119 came down that escalator. But as you track in this book, 700 00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,920 this is a long time in the process, the left, 701 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,679 its law fare and abusive, abusive prosecutions, some of the 702 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,480 darkest chapters in American history. And it covers everything from 703 00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,199 Alvin Bragg to Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Letitia James Kim Gardner, 704 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:13,480 all of those rogue prosecutors and rogue prosecutions in these 705 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:19,280 politically charged jurisdictions, weaponizing the legal system and as we 706 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,039 have so often seen, offering two disparate systems of justice 707 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,880 in America. And really what that boils down to is 708 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,239 in the disparate system is justice and injustice. That's ultimately 709 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,079 what we're talking about here. Thank you so much for 710 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,159 joining us today, Don, I appreciate it. 711 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt, Mary, because you and your family keep 712 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,599 up the google work. Hope chat again. 713 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,559 Speaker 1: Soon, absolutely I look forward to that. Our guest today 714 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,159 once again is Don Brown joining us to talk about 715 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:56,360 his new book Kangaroo Court, How Dirty Prosecutors and sleazy lawyers, 716 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,239 destroy political opponents, attack free speech, and subvert the Constitution. 717 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,920 I think we have a good survey on exactly what's 718 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,880 been going down on all of those fronts over the 719 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,320 last several years in America. You've been listening to another 720 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,400 edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior 721 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,880 correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. 722 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:40,400 Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.