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PW torch dot com slash Go VIP, go 26 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.239 all the way, Go VIP, PW torch dot com, slash 27 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:39.359 Go VIP Now, PW Torch and Speaker bring you the 28 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.480 Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show. 29 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.439 It's time to talk this week's WWE Friday Night SmackDown. 30 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.599 Our Derek had finally happened, or it's happening Kevin owens 31 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:56.439 against Cmpunk. In the modern WWE era, it's not a 32 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.159 surprise to see two babyfaces talking trash to each other 33 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.760 with gray hair, And that's what we got again tonight. 34 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:08.280 I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out another two babyfaces 35 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:09.879 where the fans are like, we like you, we like you, 36 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:11.199 and then by the end you're like, oh, you made 37 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.000 some good points. Maybe Punk is a phony who was 38 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.800 a nice beep behind the scenes, and blah blah blah 39 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.840 and all that, But honestly, I mean if we're gonna 40 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.759 have an if we're gonna have an exception, and that's 41 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.960 kind of been the case. Like these are compelling matchups 42 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.800 between babyfaces, and you know, Kevin Owens is great. He 43 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.120 was great aunts punk and he was he and Sammy 44 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.919 were magic again. So you know, for a post Summer 45 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:40.599 Slam kind of fresh set of circumstances, this is a 46 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.000 good one. Give me your thoughts, Derek. 47 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.599 I'll start positive and then i'll hit the negative, but 48 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:50.400 I think you express both points. The positive is it's fresh, 49 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.599 it's novel. We've never seen him wrestle, and I think 50 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.680 it will be interesting not only to see them in 51 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.400 the ring square off, but just tonight there is an 52 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.280 energy when they were looking at each other, they're My 53 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.080 favorite part of the promo is actually before they've talked 54 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:04.800 on the mics, when they were just looking at each 55 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.639 other and talking like it felt tense. It felt tense, 56 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.599 and there probably is some some underlying tension there. 57 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.240 He counts friends with the bucks in you know, that's like. 58 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.719 You bring out good stuff if you can remain professional, 59 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.439 which I think both guys are being or committed to do, 60 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.000 and then it will be fresh in the ring as well. 61 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.639 The negative is once again, as you mentioned, it is 62 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.560 forcing fans to, at least some extent, to pick aside 63 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.439 who they agree with more or who they agree with 64 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:37.080 the most. 65 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.039 Did you it didn't seem like Punk had a lot 66 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:45.360 of material for Ko. It was more Ko saying things 67 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.879 about Punk that is kind of a theme. I'll even 68 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.120 throw up Chris Rucker's comment here in the chat. It's 69 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.319 funny every restler Punk has feuded with since returning, even 70 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.039 in AW has a beef with him for being a 71 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.479 piece of shit to them. I mean, yeah, you know, 72 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.199 I mean there, you know, it's like if everybody, yeah, 73 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:04.240 I mean, what's the saying about if everybody you meet 74 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:06.479 all day as an asshole, you might beat the asshole, 75 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:08.120 you know. 76 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:08.479 I mean. 77 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.000 And so, I mean I thought there were some biting 78 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:17.040 comments from Ko, but I also thought it didn't enter 79 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.160 any like meta nonsense like you know, like I mean, 80 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.439 and so like Seth set the bar for that, Like, 81 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.040 no one's gotten to that level where it's just, you know, 82 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.959 there's a rebellion. And I do think there's a bit 83 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.439 of a course correction. I think that would be has realized, Yeah, okay, 84 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.319 we're not going to do that. We're we're going to 85 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.879 do callbacks to indie seeing gripes Punk. You should wear 86 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:37.639 a T shirt when you wrestle, Kevin Owens, like, that's 87 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.519 not in w Cannon, but there is, like people can 88 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:42.600 find out online. And as Cody Road says, and I 89 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:44.720 was quote them, you shouldn't each older content to understand 90 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.000 what's happening on the main show. And I get that, 91 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.519 but like you said, you could tell there's tension here 92 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.759 and they introduced enough that said okay, Punk paved the way, 93 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.160 and Kevin Owens says, I appreciate it, and Punk did 94 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.519 not need to say. I mean self there said they 95 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.759 called me skinny fat, they meaning Paula Back, just to 96 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:06.519 be clear. I mean I could have been others, but 97 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.000 Paula Back. And then he's like, and you So they 98 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.360 didn't want me, But I managed to get here because 99 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:13.600 I called myself the best in the world and I 100 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.319 had the bravado and the arrogance at the confidence to 101 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.439 make it happen. And you're here because of that. Do 102 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:18.959 you think they were waiting around for you? And then 103 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.360 he looks at his gut, like Kevin Owen's gut, and like, 104 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.360 look at you. If you think Skinny Fat wasn't gonna 105 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.680 get a contract. Bear gut, bear gut McGee isn't gonna 106 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.720 get one either. He didn't say that, I said it, 107 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:35.959 sorry so, but yeah, I mean the off mic stuff 108 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.519 I didn't pick up on, so I'm not quite sure 109 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.560 what they said. I tried to replain, I couldn't pick 110 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.199 up on it. And the off mic stuff can seem 111 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.600 a little performative or you know, like it's the new work. Oh, 112 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.000 they're really mad at each other and they don't want 113 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.079 us to hear what they're saying, and it's a little 114 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.800 bit of an eye roll. But I mean visually, the 115 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.879 optics of it worked. And I'm with you, Derek. I 116 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.879 think this feels, you know, just my phrase of the summer, 117 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.120 let us buy in. And I felt that this segment 118 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.079 allowed us to without taking us out of the like 119 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:03.120 breaking down the fourth wall. 120 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.279 And as well as not only did they not like 121 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.920 dive into the meta, they still made it about winning 122 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.040 the championship is the most important thing. 123 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:12.519 Here, yep. 124 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.240 And I don't mind the meta as long as as 125 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.720 at the end of the day, we're talking about the 126 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.519 importance of winning and becoming the champion, because that is 127 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:25.439 the goal, and that's why we watch the matches for clarity. 128 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.680 When you when I'm against meta, I'm against meta. When 129 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.199 it says they made you world champion because you're Marketaville 130 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.839 and you look the part for on a poster better 131 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.079 yemen that in that, I'm never okay with. I don't 132 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.040 think ever on a wrestling show should you talk about 133 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.040 the result of a match is determined by somebody else. 134 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.519 You should't allude to that there, especially because the easy fixes. 135 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.800 You got more opportunities than you deserved because you look 136 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.279 good on posters. Easy way to fix it. So don't 137 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.959 say you were made champion because of XYZ. Say you 138 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.519 had more opportunities to win the championship and they look 139 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.319 the other way when when they went with me. That 140 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.399 stuff works and these two are smart. I mean, say 141 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.959 what you will about what Chao say. Dude, you must 142 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:04.879 be so lowly on the pedestal you put yourself on 143 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.639 and good line, good line, yep, yep, yep. I mean 144 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:10.439 Kao's going to have them. And I wish money in 145 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:12.199 the bank was three months away. I don't well, maybe 146 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.639 i'd be sick of it, maybe less, it's more, but yeah, 147 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.040 so just I want to be clear. The meta that 148 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.439 I'm against is not references to the indie scene. The 149 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.959 meta when I when I am making references and maybe 150 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:25.639 I should have a better term and not overuse that. 151 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.879 It's when you introduce into the narrative the idea that 152 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.639 championship matches are not determined based on a real fight 153 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:33.680 in the ring. That's a story they're telling. They should 154 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.639 stick to it and then fans can buy into that 155 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.279 world that they create. And it's so cheap and lame 156 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.079 and eye rolling to try to go, well, I'm going 157 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:42.800 to do what see I'm pump did in a way 158 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:44.639 with a pipe bomb, and I'm going to break the 159 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.319 fourth wall and talk about how fake it is to 160 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.680 score points with you. And it's like, stop that that's 161 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:49.199 an utter not. 162 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:53.319 Just a blanket statement I'll make. Is anything that you 163 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.480 say that undermines the competition that occurs in the ring 164 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.079 is a net negative in allowing me to buy in 165 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.959 to pro wrestling, and I will always push back against it. 166 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:09.759 Exactly yep. So what do they Well, first of all, 167 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.639 anything else stand out in the promo exchange for you? 168 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.040 There's anything else you want to bring up that that 169 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.000 you liked or didn't like in this. I know you 170 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:17.600 sayt're gona talk about the good and the bad and 171 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:19.199 anything else you want to add here. 172 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:22.920 I like that Kevin Owen's got the final line. I 173 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:24.800 like you know, and it was it was like a 174 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.680 biting comment and it led to the shove and then 175 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.439 I also I liked that they didn't brawl. It almost 176 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.960 was more tense and more aggressive because it felt it 177 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.879 feels more real when guys aren't throwing work punches at 178 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.720 each other on day one, and I this was like 179 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.759 an opening, like this is the opening shots, and then 180 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.440 you can allow things to either heat up or cool down, 181 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.519 leading to their first encounter, which I think they said 182 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:52.519 was at the end of the month, and then going forward. 183 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.320 I wouldn't mind. And they haven't done this for a while, 184 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.799 so I think it would feel fresh where if they 185 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.960 had more dominant hit bills, you could have CM Punk 186 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:07.240 and Kevin Owens be partners of convenience where they earn 187 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.440 each other's respect and then fight off heels. 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Just give us, 265 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.080 give me a little bit of notice and we'll arrange 266 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:59.919 for a time that works for you to be on 267 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.600 all right, join us live in the chat, you watching 268 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:05.600 us on YouTube, Email us at weakelor Posho at gmail 269 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.960 dot com if you'd rather do that. And I'll now 270 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.279 introduce my coast Derek Hubbard. He's a PW Torch contributor. 271 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.600 He is watching his parents' dogs and we're great. It's 272 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.720 great to have him in the Coast chair again. Derek. 273 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:23.159 Welcome, wait, thanks for having me. I enjoyed talking and 274 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.200 pro wrestling. I don't get to do it enough. Most 275 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.159 of the time I just watch by myself, so having 276 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.759 someone to talk to you about it is definitely different 277 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.279 for me. Most of the time, I'm just having dialogue 278 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.360 with myself about the stuff I like or hate. So 279 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:38.279 it's good. 280 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.279 Love it, love it. You're welcome and appreciate and enjoy 281 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.320 your analysis in our conversations as a caller, and now 282 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.440 more long form, tell people by the way about you 283 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.919 joining the PW Torch Team, and the columns that you 284 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.240 that you write, the theme and also the latest one 285 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:53.919 that you just put up. 286 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:55.080 Yeah. 287 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.000 So I write an article weekly called Then, Now, and Forever, 288 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.279 where I choose a theme that hopefully is somewhat relevant 289 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.559 to what's happening in wrestling today and then show examples 290 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:07.840 of that scene from back in the day, something recent 291 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.240 and probably the best example of it. So the one 292 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.240 I did this week was about Summer Slam show stealers, 293 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.960 those matches in Summer Slam's history that were the matches 294 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.000 that everyone was talking about the night of and the 295 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.480 night after the event was over. 296 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:27.360 Awesome, All right, Well, I said, we'd include some check comments. 297 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.039 So let's see by the way, just so people know, 298 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:35.679 my browsers reframing slowly, so if I'm trying to I 299 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.360 don't know if it's my am I sounding good, is 300 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:38.759 my picture good? Or is it kind of glitchy. 301 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:41.639 There was a little glitchy at the beginning, but I 302 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.000 haven't noticed anything since. 303 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.600 Yeah, I'm switching. I switch Wi Fi like a week. 304 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.639 And now it just kicked them off. So it might 305 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.759 just be me talking about pro wrestling. So maybe I'll 306 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.200 look at some of the maybe I'll look at I'm 307 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:07.440 of the channels wrestling. So it looks like Mark thinks 308 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.679 that Ko has a chance of taking the strap Toronto. 309 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.840 Isn't a bad choice. I would say that seems a 310 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.200 little bit early for his journey, but I think it 311 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.879 would definitely appease the live crowd, so it would be 312 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.480 excited for then. The fact that he's in the title 313 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:27.080 picture right off the bat, I think is promising for him, 314 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.679 especially given the fact that given how long he's been 315 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.399 in pro wrestling, we don't know how many years Ko 316 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.720 has left. So as for your comment, Mark, if Kao 317 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.600 was to win, I would be satisfied but somewhat surprised. 318 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:45.639 I would say they're interested in hearing my thoughts on 319 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:50.200 Jade's ring performance tonight. I'm not gonna blame all on Jade. 320 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.320 I thought the match was shaky at best. The worst 321 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.480 part of the match was the finish. The last two 322 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.759 spots they hit were botched, and I think if they 323 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.720 would have stuck the landing, I would have said it 324 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.559 was passable. But because they didn't, I think it left 325 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.840 people with a bad taste in their mouth, even if 326 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.399 they got a quite exciting debut from Tatum Pasley, who 327 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.559 if you watch your journey on NXT, you're probably like 328 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.039 me where you're excited to see what she does, and 329 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.799 it was quite promising that she was introduced at the 330 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.799 end of the show in a top level main event. 331 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:28.720 So for Tatum, I hope that that's a good sign 332 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.799 for things to come. She's definitely a quirky, interesting character who. 333 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.200 If you've watched NXT, it's one of those exciting stories 334 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.200 where you've seen her progress and get better from year 335 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.120 to year, where now that she's on the main roster, 336 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.120 if you've been watching her journey, you probably feel like 337 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:51.240 I feel, which is she's ready. Let's push play and 338 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.080 see where she goes. So I'm excited for Tatum, and 339 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.639 it seems like a lot of you guys are as well. 340 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:59.919 Adam kitt agrees the main event was sloppy. 341 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:04.960 Thanks Seric for taking over as my my technical issues 342 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.319 whatever they were kicked in go ahead. Finished with that. 343 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.920 I didn't mean to well, there was some comments about 344 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:16.240 the main events they mentioned. The sloppiness of it definitely apparent, 345 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.559 and I know Jade will take the burden of the 346 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.319 blame for it, but I won't lie. A lot of 347 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.039 times Charlotte looks very shaky to me as well. It 348 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.799 almost feels like she doesn't have her feet under her anymore, 349 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.559 and a lot of times she lacks confidence. I think 350 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.839 if they would have hit those last two spots after 351 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.880 Tatum's debut, it would have been a passable match. But 352 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.200 the fact that they didn't stick the landing, I think 353 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.200 leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. 354 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.960 Yeah, yep, all right, so let's throw some comments up 355 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.839 on punk Ko and comment on those again if I 356 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:54.200 can get my browser to cooperate. Durrell says it was 357 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:59.640 good they started. There's such an annoying like here apologized 358 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:06.680 to listen for that with my issues here hold with me. 359 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:12.039 Is okay? Now things seem to be rolling here. Sean 360 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:13.759 Push just says yeah, Kao has not been likable as 361 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.279 a character for most of his run. I actually i'll 362 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.960 throw to you, Derek on that. I don't think we 363 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.799 kind of covered like, did you do you think there's 364 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.559 a desire to steer us one way or the other 365 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:34.240 in how that they are presenting this so far? Or 366 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.160 is this just a pick them? You guys go give 367 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.960 it your best shot. Kao says bring it. Punk says 368 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.240 bring it. We'll let the fans decide. I'm confident I 369 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.480 can hold my own and and there's no like and 370 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.000 I'm not, by the way, I am in favor of 371 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:48.920 promoters having an idea who they want fans to cheer 372 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:51.799 it boo in most cases, but you know, sometimes you 373 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:53.359 just don't. What do you think is happening here? 374 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.279 My initial thought was a pick them, But then when 375 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.279 I think of how the segment played out, and I 376 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.240 know how they're does the fact that they gave Kevin 377 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.880 Owens the last line, I think they want they were 378 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:11.200 asking the fans more to give him the ending favorable response, which, 379 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.839 if anything was to steer somebody one way. It would 380 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:16.960 be to steer on Owen's side because he got the 381 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:17.680 last line. 382 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.720 Do you how do you think the crowd will respond? 383 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.240 Punk's been around more, He's been a stand up guy, 384 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:28.759 you know. I mean, he says, you know, I'm not 385 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.119 happy Cody, and we'll talk about Cody and Punk. Obviously. 386 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.559 That's another big segment here, followed to the summer slam 387 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.880 matsh but Punk was a stand up gual. He goes, Cody, 388 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.160 I'm mad. I'm not as mad as you, but I'm 389 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.400 mad at at Randy Orton interfering. He said something along 390 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.160 those lines on the Post show too, So I mean, 391 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.839 you know, Punk is not like saying outlandish things, are 392 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.039 acting selfish or anything like that. 393 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.880 Yeah, And I think also Sam Punk's one of those 394 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:57.440 teflon characters where his qualities that as a human you 395 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.039 would say are vice are some of the reasons that 396 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.400 people like him. Like if I call Seampunk a prick 397 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.440 I think that's the people who are the most ardent 398 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.240 fans of CM Punk. His prickliness is what they like 399 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:10.720 about it. 400 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:11.400 Yeah. 401 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.839 Well, it's like criticizing for something, criticizing somebody for something 402 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.599 to take pride in, and they kind of just own it. 403 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.680 So as long as he doesn't become too defensive, I 404 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.519 think the fans who support him that is the reason 405 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.279 they support him. And Kevin Owens is kind of the same, 406 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.519 Like he's got this toxic sarcasm that when you see 407 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:35.400 a toxic sarcasm, if it's played off against a babyface 408 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.680 that people like a lot, it's healish that even when 409 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:40.799 it's helish, you're like, well that was a good line. 410 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.039 Well that was a good comeback. And it's a likable 411 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.240 quality because it's a defining characteristic that makes him. 412 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.799 Who he is and Keo is what he's just you 413 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.319 shouldn't being entertaining, shouldn't like be the be all end 414 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:56.759 on in terms where you get sheirt or booed. But 415 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.519 there is something so self confident, matter of fact and 416 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.880 and and distinct about Kevin owens delivery that it makes him, 417 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.960 you know, somebody who you want to you have you 418 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.680 want to be sympathetic to whatever argument he's making when 419 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.400 he makes it, because he is there is a quick wit, 420 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.440 just a matter of fact, dry delivery to to what 421 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.319 he does. And and so yeah, I mean it's it's 422 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.160 it's fascinating watching these two go at it. Derek Mitchell says, 423 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.079 Punk and Kao, we're like a first round boxing match 424 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.279 for both boxers are just feeling each other out. I 425 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.240 think that's a really good analogy, dere I appreciate that. 426 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:32.359 And and and we'll get we'll get more. 427 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:32.799 Uh. 428 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.599 Derek Mitchell also says, I find myself rooting for Ko 429 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.880 in this title chase, but ultimately no, Kevin Owens won't 430 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.839 win the w W title from Punk. Do we know that? 431 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.319 The fact that Sammy Zaine won the title out of nowhere, 432 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.559 the fact that they do that every now every so 433 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:54.039 often allows for those possibilities to still be on the table, 434 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:56.559 which makes you invested in the match is even if 435 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:57.880 you deem it to be unlikely. 436 00:21:58.599 --> 00:21:58.680 Hm. 437 00:21:58.759 --> 00:22:01.440 So, I think it's smart to have those out of 438 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.039 the blue changes every now and then because it keeps 439 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:06.480 us on our edge, in the edge of our seats, 440 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:10.160 wondering could it happened this time? And that's how I 441 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.440 feel about Ko winning the championship. It's a great feel 442 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.799 good story. And if it happened in Toronto, you know 443 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:20.119 that that would be that would be an astounding pop 444 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.680 and a huge feel good story for a lot of 445 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.319 the long term fans of Kevin Owens, who the guy 446 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.200 who was almost lost his wrestling career and came out 447 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.680 back after seventeen months. I mean, that's a story that 448 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:35.960 even the most jaded fan would cheer for, right. 449 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:40.079 Yep yep. Another comment from Derek, and then we'll go 450 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:41.720 on to some other people's comments. It's a really good 451 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:43.799 forward to this. From Kale's perspective, it's easy to see 452 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:46.000 why he'd resent Punk as he comes across his condescending 453 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.160 and full of himself, much like Aaron Rodgers and hard 454 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.440 to root for. I've heard Aaron Rodgers comparison with see 455 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.279 on Punk before. I I don't think it's entirely wrong. 456 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.160 I think they're different people, and I don't think they 457 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:58.200 go to the ballot box with the same issues in mind, 458 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:03.480 for instance, But you know, I get it. 459 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.240 Yeah, their opinion they're they're stubbornly. Their opinions are there's 460 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.720 a stubbornness to how they see themselves and see the 461 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:14.279 world that's probably at odds with a lot of other people. 462 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.480 And they're not willing to change even if they say 463 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:16.880 they are. 464 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.240 Yeah, And and like as I said, with Punk, I 465 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.440 think there's so many times he's been right, and like, 466 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.039 I think he's right about most things in wrestling, and 467 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.839 otherwise like not all. I mean, I obviously I don't. 468 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:35.279 But by the time he's done explaining how right he 469 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.799 is and how foolish you are not to see things 470 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.599 exactly as he sees them, you resent him being right. 471 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.039 And that happens when he tries to get things to 472 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.640 change behind the scenes in a w or WWE we 473 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:50.599 see it. There's something about his delivery that comes across 474 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:53.599 as you're right. But now, just despite you, I'm going 475 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.519 to go against my own beliefs because you piss me off, 476 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.440 you know, because you're you're you're you're being a punk. 477 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.240 And I think most people in their lives, whether it's 478 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.960 a coworker or a parent when you're younger, has had 479 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.279 that experience. Where is that somebody who you just want 480 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:13.160 them to be wrong you It doesn't even matter if 481 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.559 you lose, because they're wrong. 482 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:19.599 You just want them to be wrong exactly. Yep, yep uh. 483 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.480 Vinnie Glakin says, I think Kao's the latest to call 484 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.400 Punk out for being a thin skinned fraud. Everybody has 485 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.559 their like summary of of Kao's characterization of Punk here. 486 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.880 But it's all accurate. 487 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.559 Yes, I mean Punk has been thin skinned. I don't 488 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:39.119 want this to turn into a whole psychoanalysis of Punk, 489 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:41.759 but I mean that, you know it is. It's right, 490 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.680 it's here tonight on SmackDown. I mean, we're not like 491 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.319 out of know, we're bringing it up. That is, That 492 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:50.519 is how Punk's being portrayed. I don't know, you know, 493 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.240 you wonder. I know this is sort of parandetical to this, 494 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.440 but how much more popular and how much more of 495 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.319 a draw would Punk be if he didn't spend every 496 00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.839 feud having wrestlers who people respect and like or are 497 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.480 just really articulate and persuasive. Make a case that maybe 498 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.680 you're worshiping a Punk is ignoring a lot of things 499 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:10.279 that if you knew him a little better, you wouldn't 500 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:10.920 like him so much. 501 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.319 It might it might kind of start erasing some of 502 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.559 his authenticity though, because once again, I think, like the 503 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.000 things that I see in him that are our vice 504 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.319 from a human perspective are some of the reasons that 505 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.000 people like him unapologetically. 506 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.599 Yeah, I mean there, and he owned it tonight, you know, 507 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:35.440 I mean he did say that his it was in 508 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:37.519 the in the storyline of his character, but saying I'm 509 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.160 the best in the world might great on people, might 510 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.920 rub people the wrong way. But that's that is that 511 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.400 arrogance is what got me here with my skinny, fat body, 512 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.240 you know. I mean, that's what got me into a 513 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.480 company that hired people who look different than me. Mister 514 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:51.359 Rock City eighty six, Welcome to the chat. He says, 515 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.599 I need to see Ko beat Punk. He deserves another 516 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:55.720 tut of run after all the amazing work he has 517 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.880 done this past decade. Yeah, I mean, I don't want 518 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.960 to out title shots because someone deserves it because they 519 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.799 worked hard. I think that you should be world champion 520 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:07.880 because it's the best story that they can tell of 521 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:09.920 all options. When you start giving it out like gold 522 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.240 watches or because someone was a good a good employee 523 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.640 or it's been a long time, I don't that is 524 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.119 it that that will help break a tie? Like if 525 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:20.880 you're not sure, you know, I should We showed me 526 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.440 while this guy's been X y Z, let's do it. 527 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.319 If somebody has been the opposite, then you might not 528 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:26.720 do it. 529 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:27.400 Uh. 530 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.079 That said, I'm not I'm not against it, but and 531 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.200 I'm not even against hot potato with title belts. Derek. 532 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.599 You know, like I'm every once in a while, I 533 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:39.400 kind of like the idea that in a eight month 534 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.119 period or fourteen month period the title changes six times 535 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.279 and then have someone to hold it for a year 536 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.359 and a half or two years. You know that that 537 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.759 cadence is I think makes keeps you on edge a 538 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:55.400 little bit. So it's like having your secondary moves win 539 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.200 a match every semi regularly. H Yeah, so you don't 540 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.240 just got what wasn't as so he's gonna kick out. 541 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.240 There's things you do just to keep people on edge. 542 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.440 So I'm not against Ko. And then we've got Sammy 543 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.200 in the mix, and their interaction was great, so you 544 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:14.000 could have Ko beat Punk and then Sammy got a 545 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.000 shot win or not, and then you got Cody waiting 546 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.599 in the wings, and who knows what happens with Randy Orton. 547 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.200 So and I'm not like you mentioned, follow the story 548 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.119 if it's the if it's the best story to tell 549 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.400 at the time. I'm also a guy who says followed 550 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.240 the momentum, where if that story has momentum and you 551 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.240 can feel it building from week to week, and even 552 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.200 if it's not in your plans, that's sometimes where you're like, 553 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:37.799 screw the plan. We got to play the hot hand, 554 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.000 and and I'm I'm for that sometimes not always time, 555 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:43.640 but sometimes yep. 556 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.519 I don't think Titus O'Neill should have been out to 557 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:48.559 be champion, but I think when there was that little 558 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.440 slever of time, when when the crowd is really really 559 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.799 into him, they could have gotten more out of them. Yes, 560 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.440 but they told themselves, well, he's got two left feet 561 00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.559 and he's you know, it doesn't take whatever all the 562 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.519 I don't want like. They had their criticisms of him, 563 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.240 and it came over time. We kind of said, Okay, 564 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.599 you're not a guy who want to build around, but yeah, 565 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.279 sometimes you just go for it. Now we're in the 566 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.079 danaus In phase where they've overdone it, you know. 567 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.480 And and but never on the show tonight, though I know, yes, 568 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:19.680 in fact, I don't think there was any frivolous comedic 569 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:20.920 segment tonight at all. 570 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.799 No, there was our truth thought in at Doom, the 571 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.519 Rotors and Hocket Animal are three teams. 572 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.160 But I laughed at that though. 573 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.720 I'm just sometimes some weeks ar truths better than others. 574 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.640 But we had every week. Archer says something in Priest 575 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.799 corrects and we still had that. So okay, I. 576 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.839 Like Priest that dynamic though, Priest playing the straight man 577 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.400 who's not mean to truth per se but does like 578 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.359 correct him. And he's like your friend who's annoying as 579 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.240 all hell, but you keep him around because it's hard 580 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.400 for you to admit that you're amused by him as well. 581 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.799 Yes, yeah, his exasperation and instant forgiveness is his is 582 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:58.279 a trait with see Weekly. 583 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.200 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts, 584 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.519 will come join me Alan fororel Over in the Progress 585 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.119 Paradise at Pterboo Torch vip as we mask on the 586 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.799 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 587 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.799 great matches and shows from around the world, be it 588 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.279 the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 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And yes, 598 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.559 all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast apps on 599 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:58.200 iPhone and Android devices, or you can stream them directly 600 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.519 from our ad free VIP mobile side. See you in 601 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.200 the Paradise. 602 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.880 Mark Bisquetti says punk Ko have their own versions of 603 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.519 the realist guy in the room characters. They didn't feel 604 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.160 like they tore each other down so much as making 605 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.480 me feel like I'm a fly on the wall of 606 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.160 a heated moment. I think that's fair. I think that's 607 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.440 what they're going for. Yep too, Yep, I felt it. 608 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.720 That was that was the the tense atmosphere that was 609 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.039 created from the start. 610 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:28.839 Yep. There's a comment along those lines here that I 611 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:35.359 will scroll to if I can. Well, um, I'll get 612 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.759 to it. When I get to it, I will not 613 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.279 go out to order here. JF. Pollard says punk and 614 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.720 Owens are two of the few in the industry who 615 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:46.799 can make it feel real and personal. Sean Plickeda says, yeah, 616 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.680 they need to let it simmer. I love Punk, saying 617 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.319 you can handle it without fighting. Mark Bisketti says Punk 618 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.319 look to all this to do something before it got physical. 619 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.160 It was subtle, but it added a nice touch interesting 620 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.920 standard Vase said, Punk Owens was absolutely fantastic. One of 621 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.880 the best promos I've seen in a year. Uh Pilder 622 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.680 Repeat says, I agreed. I think the best part about 623 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:15.279 Punk's promo is making the title mean the most. Yeah, um, 624 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.279 all right, No, I had something else highly here though, 625 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.720 oh here, here, Here's what I was looking for. Vinet said, 626 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.240 I liked the little subtlety of trying to hear Punk 627 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.359 and Kao trash talk without Mike's in the beginning. Anytime 628 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.319 Derek you can get someone to lean into the soundbar 629 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.880 because they want to hear what's being said, that's a win. 630 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.839 I mean that means, you know, there's a lot of 631 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.240 shouting and you kind of can tune it out or whatever. 632 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.480 It feels performative. And but like if you're leaning in 633 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.160 to try to pick up on what Russells are saying, 634 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.160 you care and it means you're, yeah, you're you're you're 635 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:49.799 buying into it, all right. Sue let's see. I know 636 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.720 we've got some more comments here. Standobation says Punk and 637 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.640 ducts himself as a consummate professional on camera, so the 638 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.839 repeated jabs at his personal flows in real life began 639 00:31:57.880 --> 00:31:59.880 to feel less authentic the longer viewers see him as 640 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.240 a professional on TV. Interesting, So he is on good 641 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.240 behavior on TV except that one week a few months 642 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:09.720 ago where he was mad at somebody online and he 643 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.440 was just in a mood and he was just raging 644 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.440 on TV and I asked around and I was like, 645 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.920 I heard, oh, yeah, he was really mad at somebody 646 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.960 in social media, and that's where that that comment came from. 647 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.559 And a couple a few weeks ago he said something 648 00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.640 about some you know online people have things to say 649 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.599 about him. So everyone's while it slips through that like 650 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.480 it feels like it if with everything that's said just 651 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.200 in Cannon and WWE, it feels like it takes a 652 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.279 lot of will power for Punk to beat the professional, 653 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.319 level headed, plane spoken, calm guy that he is the 654 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.599 best majority of the time on TV. But there's something 655 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.839 to what standard Debation says in the chat, which is 656 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.759 is it gonna start to ring hollow when people go, oh, 657 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.160 you're a jerk when they don't really see a lot 658 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:49.440 of that. I mean, there's a footage of him in 659 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.720 the elevator lobby and you know, years and years ago 660 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.000 with a fan and the crowd, and what happened with 661 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.319 that press conference in AW I mean, there's plenty four 662 00:32:56.319 --> 00:33:00.480 ice to see. But on WTV, I mean he is 663 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.400 he gets a you know, five out of five score 664 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:07.960 on you know, the good Employee ranking. 665 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.960 Yeah, and it's in canon as well. The other part 666 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.319 of the promo that I appreciated is when Cody came 667 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:18.000 out and they didn't hide from the fact that Randy 668 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.680 Orton changed the outcome of the title match. They brought 669 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.599 it up, and they brought it up in a respectable manner. 670 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.279 And also he was the honorable champion who says you 671 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.680 deserve a rematch and I didn't know Randy was there, 672 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.680 and I appreciated that, like that was something that should 673 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.319 have been underlined and highlighted. It highlighted, and they underlined 674 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.839 and highlighted it in the opening problem before they went 675 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:40.680 on to the next thing. 676 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.000 Yeah, yeah, standy Ovation says, I rewound and turned up 677 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.720 the volume when they were talking off mic, So it 678 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.640 worked on me lol. Ur La nineteen eighty four says, wait, honestly, 679 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.160 I don't try to think about the behind the scenes 680 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.359 characters when analyzing promoles because I probably hate every one 681 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:57.880 of them in different ways. Hey, you know what, there's 682 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.240 something about love the art, not the artist, don't ye 683 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.720 The ignorance is bliss is a is a cliche saying 684 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.960 for a reason. 685 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.159 There's that saying too, don't meet your heroes or don't 686 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.199 and nowadays it's more like, don't look up your heroes 687 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.719 online to see the skeletons in their closet and to 688 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.599 find out the things about them that are unsavory that 689 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.239 make you like them less. Yeah. 690 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.960 Yeah, it's enjoy the entertainment. I mean, obviously there's a 691 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.079 line someone can cross, you like, I'm going to go 692 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.360 out of my way to not support them. But there 693 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.719 is something about how public Like there's a lot of 694 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.760 things in the pre Internet era about people who are 695 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.480 famous and a lot of unfamous people who you know 696 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.199 in other eras. It's just there wasn't a way to 697 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.639 find the stuff out in now. It is just it's 698 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.920 human humans on earth, you know whatever. All right, Standarvation 699 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.800 says I feel like they've sufficiently signed posted to me 700 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.000 that chaos a guy's supposed to get behind. Tonight's framing 701 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.639 was clearer than usual for me. 702 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.199 Interesting, I can feel I can feel that too. I 703 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.000 could feel that too. But the default from the guy 704 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.199 who's coming back from a career ending neck injury, the 705 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.440 default is you should have kind of an aura of 706 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.800 good feeling about their return and wanting to see them 707 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.239 to succeed at the highest level. 708 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:17.119 Yep. Back to Aaron Rodgers, Vinnie Watkin says, yeah, see 709 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.000 I punking Aaron Rodgers are very similar characters. I say 710 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:20.480 this as a Steelers fan and someone that used to 711 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.639 love punk as a kid in twenty eleven. Yep, yep. 712 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.599 It comes up semi regularly for a reason for sure. 713 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.960 All Right, Chris Rucker says Punk made fun of Rock 714 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.960 about his Goosebumps motion, but then he did it tonight 715 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.880 during Kao's entrance. What an asshole. 716 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.159 So you're saying he's a hypocrite, he is a hippote. 717 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.480 Let's be honest in many ways. 718 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:51.079 Yes, I thought I probably don't have the context here, 719 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.639 but Sean, I thought Punk was genuine, but it did 720 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.679 look awful. Lol, will ask him what that's about Adam 721 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.199 Kid says, yeah, punk just naturally comes off as an asshole. Oh, 722 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.920 this is something standard AASI said Punk mock clapping Kevin 723 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.880 Owens after KAO spoke about me on for seventeen months 724 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.880 position KAO is the guy who's supposed to cheer the most. 725 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.800 So there's a specific example. 726 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.239 And I had a hard time reading that, Like I 727 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.639 didn't know if it was like a legitimate clap or 728 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.719 like a sarcastic yep clap, because initially I was thinking sarcasm, 729 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.480 but then it almost seemed a little bit more like 730 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.039 heartfelt congratulations. So I didn't know how to read that. 731 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.320 I was about to say the same thing I like, 732 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.920 cause I type up reports for people who don't see 733 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.199 the show or they want to see what I'm saying 734 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.840 about the show online while the show's on the air. 735 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.840 By the way, check out my reports at PW Torch. 736 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.760 You know, have a Tabor browser open, get away from 737 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:41.760 social media or whatever. 738 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:42.000 I mean. 739 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.039 If you've just actually just watched the show without a 740 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.239 second screen, that'd be my first recommendation. If you're watching 741 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.400 the show, just settle in and watch at commercial breaks, 742 00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.559 open up your phone laptop, see what I'm saying about it, 743 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.920 that's cool, And in my report I struggled to characterize it. 744 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.719 I think I took out sarcastic or mock, but I 745 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.480 had it typed in and I deleted it, and for 746 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.199 the I was like, because all of a sudden, I 747 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.480 heard thumping and I was looking at my computer screen 748 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.360 and I looked up and it's like, what's that thumping noise? 749 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.880 Like someone is hitting a bastrum, but it's punk clapping 750 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.559 and the mic was making a bass rum sound. And 751 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.960 the cadence was slow, which is normally when you're mocking somebody, 752 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.800 but nothing else about it said mocking. It almost came 753 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:26.760 across like I Am going to respectfully acknowledge that I'm 754 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.119 happy that you're back without being obnoxious to interrupt your 755 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.719 cadence Kale while you're talking, like, I just think it 756 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.719 could have been red wrong. And by the way I'm told, 757 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.400 one of the things that has frustrated punk over here 758 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:41.280 again gain a psychoanalysis here is he feels like he 759 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:46.159 gets bewildered at people's reactions to him because they get 760 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.039 interpreted either differently than he intended or they reveal more 761 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.079 than he think he revealed. In the way he reacted 762 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.280 to something, and that is a source of frustration. According 763 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:56.719 to people I know who have talked to him and 764 00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:01.400 been around him with him, that he doesn't understand people's 765 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.159 reactions to what he does, and it kind of gets 766 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.840 into I think he sees himself as very socially aware, 767 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.480 very self aware of how he comes across, very confident 768 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.400 as a communicator. So but he also it's I don't 769 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:14.840 know if it thin skin is the right word, but 770 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.519 he really reacts poorly to people misinterpreting what he meant 771 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.960 or reading more into what he did. And and this 772 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.159 might be like a small example of that, Like there's 773 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.440 something about the way that he interacts with other humans 774 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.159 that causes that leads to misunderstandings, which then sets them 775 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.039 off because it's so frustrating for him, and it's super 776 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:36.880 but I think it's subtle enough where you could kind 777 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:38.960 of see like, again, I'm maybe I'm making more out 778 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.000 of this than I should, but maybe this is the 779 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.679 type of thing that happens where he does something he 780 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.239 needs nothing by it, and we think he's being a dick. Yeah, 781 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.800 So I feel like I'm kind of defending him and 782 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.360 saying that I'm not sure I'm just I'm just talking. 783 00:38:53.039 --> 00:39:00.960 All right, let's see. Okay, Well there's a couple more 784 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.840 Commson will get to calls. Adam Kidd says, I love 785 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:05.639 Punk and Ko. I'm happy either way. I'm just gonna 786 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.840 enjoy the ride. Yeah, the ride to the match. That's 787 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.559 kind of how I feel. I mean, I just they're 788 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.199 so good on microphone, and I mean there's a chance 789 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.880 they get under each other's skin in a legit way. 790 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.159 I don't think they should like aim for that to 791 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.800 be part of the story. But bought reading body language, 792 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.360 and you know, it's like Rock and Sina and punkin 793 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.400 Sena and all the all the things we've seen where 794 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.800 it's like, huh, you know, if these two aren't best friends, 795 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.639 maybe that's a moment where you know you're gritting your 796 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.880 you know, one of them is gritting their teeth, not wanting. 797 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.679 I think I think Kevin owens It genuinely is secure enough. 798 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.199 Like I think he's like, I got my I got 799 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.320 my family, I got my career. I'm grateful to have 800 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.239 this chance to be back in the ring. I can't 801 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.280 believe with my gut that w We ever hired me 802 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.280 in the first place. You know, he'd be there dating 803 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.000 about that, and the. 804 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.079 Piggyback on a lot of the positive comments. I think 805 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.559 this was like one of those we always kind of 806 00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.280 wanted to see what it would be like when Kevin 807 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.159 Owens and see him Punk stood face to face. It's 808 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:03.519 set the right mood and now it's going to be 809 00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:09.199 open for over psychoanalysis and over analyzing things and all 810 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.079 of these other nuances. And that's because we're so interested 811 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.480 in it, because it's set that standard of Oh, I 812 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.119 want to see this. This intrigues me. This definitely has 813 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:23.119 my engagement and at this point my enthusiasm. 814 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.920 Yes, as entertaining as Sammy is being insecure. There's something 815 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.440 fascinating about two extremely well spoken, quick witted, quick thinking, 816 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.159 clever people going back and forth on the mike who 817 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.719 both want to be seen as I mean, I think 818 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.039 Ko knows his career won't match seam Punks in whatever 819 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.239 sort of stand old newstand magazine, realm of title reigns 820 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.280 and drawing power in main events and all that. But 821 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.519 I think, like I said, I think Kevin Owens is 822 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.239 super happy with this life. I don't know, I mean, 823 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:53.599 I think it's happy with his life. I think you'd 824 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.320 rather not have missed seventeen months with the health issue. 825 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.559 But he comes across as somebody who just he's happy 826 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.679 with himself in his life, and Pump comes across as 827 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.480 somebody who's soone happy with other people he can't be 828 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.480 happy with his life too often. 829 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.960 Yeah, and there's a healthy competition and also a nice 830 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.639 juxposition to They have similarities, but it's their differences that 831 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.239 is going to distinguish them from each other, which is 832 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.760 going to make it. It could lead to conflict, but it 833 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.960 also could make it very complimentary and building fan interest. 834 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.199 I want them to not get infatuated with what you 835 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.119 just said, even though that will inevitably be part of it. 836 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.599 I want it to seem like that's happenstance, almost accidental, 837 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.079 and a parenthetical, a sidebar. I want I want the 838 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.880 focus not to be how can we get under each 839 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.920 other's skin. I want it to be what can I 840 00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.760 say about this match that will give me a mental 841 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.960 edge going into it, and then it just happens to 842 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.480 be what we're talking about. That's fascinating. But I want 843 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.280 Kevin Owens I wanted to come across. I don't need it. 844 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:58.119 I don't need the announcers to explain it to us 845 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.599 in an expository sort of way. Look at Koh, he 846 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.760 is trying to get under into Punk's mind and overdo it. 847 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:06.920 But I don't mind a little hint, Like Kevin Owen 848 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.000 said that you can see in Punk's face that threw 849 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.840 him off. Ko knows one of his advantages. After all 850 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.320 his time away from the ring, and Punk's been I mean, 851 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.599 he's been gassed in the ring lately, but that's whole. 852 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.360 But they can tell the story Punk is Punk has 853 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.679 his legs under his restling legs in Ko has been 854 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.719 gone for year and a half. Ko deep down might 855 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.159 be a little insecure about what he if he if 856 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:27.519 he's going to be able to keep up with Punk, 857 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.000 or how everything's gonna healthwise, is going to work out 858 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.400 for him, so he needs the advantage to get in 859 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.079 Punk's head and under his skin, and then vice versa. 860 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.320 Punk is a master at mind game, so I want 861 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.079 I want the story to be they're playing head games 862 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.440 with each other to try to get a mental ledge 863 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.199 going into the match, not Hey, let's all hold up 864 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.400 scorecards to see who won on insults. And I think 865 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.400 it's a small difference, but it's it makes all the 866 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.559 difference in the world. I think for fans fuel to 867 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.679 buy in and be thinking about the right thing when 868 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:53.320 they're watching it. 869 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.079 And the one way you can always correct course if 870 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.840 you start veering off what you just said is make 871 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.199 it about the match. Make it about winning the match. 872 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.599 At the end of the promo, that's what we should 873 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.320 take is this is a very important match, and it's 874 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.599 very important for each of these guys to win because 875 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:11.960 not only is it beating the other guy, but it's 876 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.119 beating the other guy for the biggest prize in the industry. 877 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.519 That should be very important. 878 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:18.599 Uh. 879 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.000 Speaking of which, piler E repeat in the chat says, 880 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:22.599 Punk says he's the best in the world. He old 881 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:26.159 is a top title. Hard to disagree. My issue with 882 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.360 that this and I want to table this for later 883 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:30.800 in the show because it's a whole other topic. But 884 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.320 Punk acknowledged he did not beat Cody and really settle 885 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.760 the score clean. But I also don't think you can 886 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.119 do that and then concurrently say you're the best in 887 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.519 the world when you won because of interference. It's sort 888 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.800 of like Kathy Kelly going you upset trick twice. Baron 889 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.440 Corbin talk about it. How about how about the interviewer 890 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.360 goes up to Baron Corben and says, you know, you 891 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:53.920 got a two to zero record against Trick, but you 892 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.519 know what, nobody thinks you're better than him because both 893 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.400 times were tainted. That's what the interviewer should say, that 894 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.519 they are report or they shouldn't be sitting here treating 895 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.880 everything neutral. And that's what the announcers are doing too. 896 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.159 They just everything is like this neutral headline, like there's 897 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.480 no right or wrong. That would be biased and we 898 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.440 can't be biased. It's like, no, we didn't learn who 899 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.920 the better restaurant was between Punk and Cody, and I 900 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:17.800 want that to be an outstanding issue, and frankly, I 901 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.760 want it to be something that seems like it's eating 902 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.280 up Punk that Punk's like, all I want to do 903 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.239 is beat Cody without Randy Orton's interference. And now Kevin 904 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.360 o'ds you're number one contender and I got to focus 905 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.159 on you while everybody's thinking do I even deserve this title? 906 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.239 Because Randy Orton took that from me? And I know 907 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:33.760 Deboie's like, oh, we don't want the focus to be 908 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.320 on things that aren't right in front of us, But 909 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.360 I want to buy in to these real human beings 910 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.360 having complex thoughts that they express, and they don't just 911 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.320 turn the page because it's the next time. It's where 912 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.199 it's time to promote the next match. I think viewers 913 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.719 can handle it. It doesn't be talked about constantly, but 914 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:55.079 the five days six days after this tainted victory where 915 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.639 nothing was proven, I want punk to be kind of 916 00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:58.320 hung up on that. 917 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.880 Yeah, and this doesn't one hundred percent mitigate what you're 918 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.360 talking about. But I did appreciate the line he said 919 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.480 where he said I'm mad about it, but I'm not 920 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.119 as mad as you are, yep, because that, to me 921 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.440 is like a champion who takes pride in proving without 922 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.519 a shadow of doubt that he's the best totally. And 923 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.760 I'm glad he brought that up, and. 924 00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:20.920 I mentioned that, I think earlier in the show or 925 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.360 unless I thought it, and I like that. My issue 926 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.000 is take it the next step further. And when you're 927 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.719 saying I am the best in the world, and this 928 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.519 is it is triggered because pol of repeatzas he holds 929 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.519 a top title, it's hard to disagree it's best in 930 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.519 the world right now. In the realm of w W 931 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.440 E the world that we that we get a window 932 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.800 in two every week. We don't Punk is. Punk's not 933 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.519 the best in the world. He's not not the best 934 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.119 in the world. It's just that's why I said it 935 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.440 was gonna get in it. But the whole point of 936 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:48.880 that Delwdie sells us on this match, find out who's 937 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.519 better between Cody and Punk, and then Joe Testor can't 938 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.800 express an opinion that that got cheat, that we got 939 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.119 cheated out of that, and they're scared that it's going 940 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:58.199 to bounce back. It's kind of like when in De 941 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.920 Wite Unreal where Paula echoes John Cena wanted to have 942 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.519 intentionally bad matches and we told him that's not gonna 943 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.559 get heat on you, that's gonna get heat on us. 944 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.239 In twenty twenty six, twenty five, they're gonna know we're 945 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.719 booking it and we're boring. Then we can't do that. John. 946 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.840 John's wrestling IQ not the highest. I will stand by 947 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:19.280 that for a top guy, very very much well below average, 948 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.880 and that's I think an example of a lot of 949 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.679 things John presents. It get like he gets tucked out 950 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:26.239 of it, but people make him think it was his idea, 951 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:35.360 and so you you ought to have a willingness to 952 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:40.280 tell the right story regard if telling the right story 953 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.639 is gonna make people think you're booking sucks, then don't 954 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.599 make your booking sucks so that you can tell a 955 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.119 good faith story after what you do. My point is 956 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.079 own what you do. Have characters react naturally to what happens, 957 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.360 and if that reflects poorly on you as a booker, 958 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.599 because you're scared fans are going to go, well, yeah, 959 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:56.559 we didn't really solve anything, and I paid one thousand 960 00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.480 dollars for my sorce. I'm taking in fluid to Minneapolis, 961 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.719 and you're right. I was cool to Randy, but I 962 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.159 didn't the whole point of the match. We'll see who 963 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.800 is better between Cody and Punk. And I'm mad at 964 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.280 Paula Vack for booking that finish. I think they're genuinely 965 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.519 worried about drawing attention to that and having the lead 966 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.440 announcer go, we didn't really solve anything on Saturday, but 967 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.320 it's still there. And so now not only did you 968 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.199 have a booking decision that took away the whole selling 969 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.519 point of the match, but now you're conning the fans 970 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.519 gaslighting the fans. You're not You're chipping away at goodwill 971 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.360 by not owning what happened and framing it the way 972 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.000 that it should be framed. This were a real sport, 973 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.000 which is I want Joe Tessitur to say the fans 974 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.960 are channing Randy, But there are a lot of fans 975 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.159 in Minneapolis who who they were excited to see Randy, 976 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.400 but when all the dust settled, Randy cost them a 977 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.440 chance to find out who was better between Punk and Cody. 978 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.920 I don't think that's her. I think there's more good 979 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.119 than bad that comes from that. Introducing that officially into 980 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.000 the narrative, and then I want Punk to lean a 981 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.280 little more into it and go I wear this title. 982 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.400 I believe I'm the best in the world, but my 983 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.599 first title defense is tainted and beating Uko is step 984 00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.960 one and getting improving it. But I gotta beat Cody again. 985 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.119 But now you're standing in front of me, like there's 986 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.039 a way to frame it, Derek, where you're getting people 987 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.280 excited about two matches, and you're also letting them know 988 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.920 we're owning what we did. 989 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:12.440 And I think you in that last line that you 990 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.599 just gave is what I prefer if you're going to 991 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.920 do it, own it, yeh, don't hide from it, don't 992 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.679 run from it. And it was made that finish was 993 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.039 made to at least get some heat on Randy Orton 994 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.280 to set them up as the heel going into a 995 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:25.519 feud with Cody Rhodes. 996 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:25.840 YEP. 997 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.079 Announcers could underline the fact that this makes Randy Orton 998 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.320 a heel not only because he's a jerk, but because 999 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.519 he ruined the title match. 1000 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.920 Yep exactly. And if you acknowledge it, it feels like 1001 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.760 you're aware enough to try to protect it in the 1002 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.559 future instead of it feeling like a con where we're 1003 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:44.840 going to tell you the reason to be into this 1004 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.840 match is this born total control of whether we give 1005 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.719 you the answer to the question that we say is 1006 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:51.679 we are selling you that is vitally important and we 1007 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.599 are telling you go to the building by ESPN Unlimited 1008 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.280 watch this match. You can find out who's better. But 1009 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.679 we're also in control of taking that away from you. 1010 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.079 And now next time you sell us on the importance 1011 00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.000 of a match, you lose goodwill. It's just whether people 1012 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.280 are revertly thinking about it or not. That sense of 1013 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.519 I'm tuning in and I'm going to see the outcome 1014 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.559 that they're selling me on is there or not there, 1015 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.239 depending on how they follow up on it. 1016 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.840 All right, Also, if you don't do it too often, 1017 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.840 I think maybe one of the problems is they've just 1018 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.480 they've done these cop out finishes so often that they 1019 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.679 don't want to highlight them and draw attention to them, 1020 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.159 because then it's obvious that you do them too often. 1021 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.199 So that's an indicator that you're doing them too much. 1022 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.880 So pull back absolutely. Jase Scooby says, by the way, 1023 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.599 Seampunk's nothing like Aaron Rodgers. You can elaborate on that. 1024 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.639 I don't think like politically their views on all kinds 1025 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.320 of things. Punk's right, Aaron's wrong. 1026 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.400 Personality traits, their personality traits have similarities. 1027 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.800 Yeah, and they're not mirror. I mean, there are things 1028 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.639 about Aaron Rodgers that are different than Punk beyond just 1029 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.880 there's an arrogance to how right they are. And it 1030 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.039 just so happens. Punk is right about the vast majority 1031 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.559 of things that he has a strong opinion on, and 1032 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.039 he makes you resent him for it by the time 1033 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.199 he's on, you know, convincing people who don't get who 1034 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.400 don't see what's apparent him. Aaron Rodgers is wrong about 1035 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.840 almost everything, but you also resent him because he's so 1036 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.960 arrogant and he thinks he knows everything he doesn't. 1037 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.880 All right, And both guys will never admit they were 1038 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.239 wrong even when they find out they are, which is 1039 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:29.519 like one of my biggest, uh my biggest complaints about 1040 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.320 the society in which we live in. Yeah, just if 1041 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.599 something comes out and you were wrong about it, just 1042 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.840 say that you made a mistake. For goodness sake, we 1043 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.519 can be adults. 1044 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.519 When your whole identity is wrapped up in how smart 1045 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.320 you are and how ahead of the curve you are. Like, 1046 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.880 I know people who their pride is being ahead of 1047 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.679 the curve, and so they'll jump on anything that Joe 1048 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.000 Rogan has a guest who doesn't have any foundational science 1049 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.079 to back up anything they're saying. But it was a 1050 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.519 compelling conversation and it made me think, so now I 1051 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.119 want to be ahead of the curve on the modern 1052 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.199 snake oil theory of the day. And it's like when 1053 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.719 when Aaron Rodgers and t Umpunker, I think, now we're 1054 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.679 very psychoanalyzing punking. And I didn't want to do this 1055 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.199 but I think Punk does want to be right, wants 1056 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:12.440 to be a little ahead on this stuff, and Aaron 1057 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.320 Rodgers certainly puts himself out there. Let me let me 1058 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.320 pontificate about something that I'm not an expert on. But 1059 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:18.159 I read a couple articles and talk to somebody, and 1060 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.559 now I have this thing that everyone should follow me on. 1061 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.159 And it's just like he couldn't be like more proven wrong, 1062 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.519 like you say, Derek over and over, but he'll he's 1063 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.119 just many you got me clever enough to ignore a 1064 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.119 distract or deflect from it. Adam Kid says, yes, there's 1065 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.599 just an arrogance about everything they both say, and he's 1066 00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:39.119 talking about Ko and Punk and storyline more so. But 1067 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.920 Jason Scooby underlines, yeah, Ko got the last word, but 1068 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.679 the champ gets the music. The music at the end 1069 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.280 and the segment walkout, So in that sense, he's saying, 1070 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.360 you know, maybe it even out a bit. You know 1071 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.599 that last segment you're just listening to and the next 1072 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:57.639 one that you're waiting to listen to, those can be 1073 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.320 one second apart. With a VP membership, you can lock 1074 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.639 our commercial free versions of our shows pw Torch dot com, 1075 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:05.960 slash Go VIP tells you how to do it. That's 1076 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.079 pw torch dot com slash Go VIP options exist within 1077 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.679 the Apple podcast app using your Apple account through Patreon, 1078 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.559 which by the way, you can sync up with Spotify 1079 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.400 or just about any iOS or Android app. With a 1080 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.719 full VIP membership, you can customize the feed for individual 1081 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.119 shows and clusters of shows and themes. Go to pw 1082 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.880 torch dot com slash go vip for full details on 1083 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.800 all the options to listen commercial free and with upper 1084 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.000 tier options unlock our VP exclusive podcast run throughout the 1085 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:43.239 week every week. All right, all right, let's uh, let's 1086 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:48.199 go to good Fellow. I'll put this up. I'll love 1087 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:49.960 it and to wait. He doesn't want to talk about it again, 1088 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.239 but always does. I enjoyed every time you do, though, 1089 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.000 thank you, I thank you, I thank you. 1090 00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:00.320 It's very similar to my mother and politics. Time she 1091 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.880 says she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. I 1092 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:09.400 know a fifteen minute, and I mean in. 1093 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.159 My defense and in this context, not all contexts, but 1094 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.719 in this context, I am just putting chat comments up 1095 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.559 and I want to give everybody a voice, and so 1096 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:16.679 when I get to it, I don't want to when I 1097 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:17.639 say I don't want to talk about it, and then 1098 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.320 there's a chat comment, and then I want to like 1099 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.039 comment on the chat comment. That's when I sort of 1100 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.039 apologize for it. I hope I'm not repeating myself, but 1101 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.400 adding new dimensions to it. Hopefully all right. Derek says 1102 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.079 punkin Sissy is best in the world. That rings hollow, 1103 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:31.719 considering Roman is still the top guy in the company. 1104 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:33.480 They weren't the Maine to mant A Summer Slim Night one, 1105 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.960 as that honor went to Ober versus Brocket Helena Cell. 1106 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.599 That's an ongoing issue. It's problem with having two world 1107 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.719 title bults. Try explaining that to a non fan, you know. Uh, 1108 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.960 Standardation says by framing Punk's current title is the top 1109 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:47.480 prize in the world, they're no selling the meaning of 1110 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.000 his lost to Roman in the biggest match of the 1111 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.679 year at Wresselemania. Yeah it's fair. Yeah again, Yeah, that 1112 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.760 should be brought up. Crofton says, I thought it was 1113 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.679 interesting that wayde Berrett mentioned that kone Punk had a 1114 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.199 lot of history, but they were asked not to go 1115 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:01.639 into it. 1116 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.719 I kind of like that too. You don't have to 1117 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.960 tell us everything when it when it happened outside of 1118 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.199 the company, right. 1119 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.559 Yeah, and then but he goes it might have it 1120 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.679 was a bit odd, but it might have been a 1121 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:20.480 strategy to get us to google it interesting maybe, Yeah, 1122 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.000 I mean, it works either way, it works either way. 1123 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.400 Good fellow ads, by the way, thank you for the community. 1124 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:26.519 Wait. 1125 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.119 I love being able to come on here and talk wraps. 1126 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.159 Of course, it's it's so fun. All right, let's let's 1127 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.079 go to uh Sean Plicta and get his thoughts. He 1128 00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:36.679 loves that. I trip over his name as I try 1129 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.960 to actually get it right. He's laughing. It's hard to 1130 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.199 break a hap. I'm just gonna go Sean from Tennessee 1131 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.079 again and just not even not even deal with it. 1132 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.400 But but see, if you do, Wade, then you gotta 1133 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.159 at some point in time, playing my song. It's my song. 1134 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.239 Mike gave me my song. I gotta get my song 1135 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.440 every every once in a blue mood. Come on, come on, I. 1136 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.599 Got it, I got I get you. We'll see, we'll see. 1137 00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.400 I mean, I it surprised me. It'll be great. And 1138 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.000 whenever it happens, it'll be great. I'll be thankful. I'll 1139 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.599 just be very thankful, very humble. No, a lot of 1140 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.559 good points tonight, a lot of the chat has been 1141 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:16.639 on fire. It's been fun to be in the chat 1142 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:17.480 for a little bit. 1143 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:18.440 Now. 1144 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:19.719 I just want to bring up with Punk and Kao, 1145 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.880 like we've all been talking about. I just want I 1146 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.239 still even though they had good things like Ko of 1147 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.239 course talking about being on for seventeen months, like you said, Derek, 1148 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.719 it makes me want to get behind him. But then 1149 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.960 he's still saying, you know, Punk's a piece of crap 1150 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:37.079 and all this stuff. It's like my goal again, and Wade, 1151 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.960 You've talked about it and I want you to be consistent, 1152 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:44.280 and I'm more than you on this. I want somebody 1153 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.639 to cheer in, somebody to boo. And there's still Punk 1154 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.480 is still making me want to get behind him. He's 1155 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.480 still saying I think I'm the best in the world. 1156 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.400 I'm still like he's the Cody stuff before showed that. 1157 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:56.880 He's like, hey, I'm mad that this happened. I wish 1158 00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.719 I want it the right way. It didn't, you know. 1159 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.119 I still we don't like both guys generally, and I 1160 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.320 want to root against somebody and root for somebody, and 1161 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.559 they always do that right now, and it's driving me 1162 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.719 crazy and it's good promo. And the promo was good. 1163 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.159 I enjoyed it, but I want it to lean more 1164 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.480 in the next coming weeks of who am I supposed 1165 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.360 to truly get behind the one person I want to 1166 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.840 root for, and I want it to be Ko in 1167 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.760 a lot of ways because I KO just got back 1168 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.039 and I love them, but I hunk I like too, 1169 00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.920 So just make it clear, goad there. 1170 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.199 So, Sean. I think the one thing that I can 1171 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.599 kind of set my head on that might make it 1172 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.840 all right, which they did actually do with seth Rollins 1173 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.119 and Roman Reigns, is at the end of the day, 1174 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:42.880 as long as they show respect for each other. I 1175 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.679 don't need everybody to love each other and hug it out. 1176 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:47.719 But at the end of the day, after they have 1177 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:49.920 their match, if they show respect to each other, I 1178 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.559 actually like them both more. And if you can have 1179 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.400 that babyface babyface match. I mean, that's what Chad Gable 1180 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.360 and Pensa did. They have a competitive match. Seth Rawlins 1181 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.320 and Roman Rans have a competitive match, but at the 1182 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.639 end of the day, one guy wins, the other guy loses, 1183 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:05.440 and then they show respect for each other. And then 1184 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.199 I'm like, even if the guy I like lost. I 1185 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:11.960 have respect for him more because he put up a 1186 00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.440 good fight and then he was honorable in defeat, which 1187 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.119 is one of the best qualities you can have as 1188 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:17.519 a human. 1189 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.800 Well, and I want true heels too, like I mean, 1190 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:23.800 obviously Orton didn't and I'll talk about that in a 1191 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.280 minute too, but yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, I 1192 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.119 just want there to be other than you know, I mean, 1193 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.360 Gunther's done a great job and Sammy's you know, turning 1194 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.440 into that, which has been great, but you know, just 1195 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.119 give me some good guys to get to root against. 1196 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.239 And I think one of these guys can do that, 1197 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.119 and I just I just want them. I'd rather them 1198 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.079 because again, Cody Punk kind of did that. I mean 1199 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.719 they kind of did even though they were having issues, 1200 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.199 but they still had respect for each other. It was 1201 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.559 still overall like I have respect for you, and tonight 1202 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:50.280 they did that. I mean, they had respect for each other. 1203 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.679 But like every match, big match can't be that way, 1204 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:54.639 you know, every once in a while do it. So 1205 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.320 I want to go to Randy and Cody because I 1206 00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:58.920 loved everything about that tonight. 1207 00:57:59.000 --> 00:57:59.800 I love that. 1208 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.400 I just I love again Cody Adam's gonna hate me. 1209 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.679 But Cody's genuine. I love everything about Cody. Tonight he said, 1210 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.480 you know, asked him? Just asked him? Or do you 1211 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:10.920 did you know it wasn't gonna happen? 1212 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:11.599 Did you know? 1213 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:16.159 He's like, no, Okay, I respect that, Sam Punk, You're champion. 1214 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.440 You know, even though he doesn't feel, probably in his 1215 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.639 part that he that he is because he knows he 1216 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.039 got screwed. But he's not gonna complain like a whiner 1217 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:24.400 and be a baby about it. 1218 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:25.239 He wasn't. 1219 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.800 He was very genuine about it. And then when Cody 1220 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.280 and Randy started having their stuff and Randy just is 1221 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.400 leaning into the heel, which I love. He can do it. 1222 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.320 The fans will get go against him. They will. It'll take, 1223 00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.400 you know, a couple of weeks, but they will, and 1224 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.639 he'll have some vicious attacks on him. It's gonna be great. 1225 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.760 But Cody just seeming so genuine, but then having that 1226 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.079 that mean side, that mean streak, and he didn't and 1227 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:46.519 he's when he said, I'm not a good guy anymore. 1228 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:47.679 It's not that I'm a heel. 1229 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:47.960 It didn't. 1230 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:48.320 It wasn't. 1231 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:48.840 I'm a heel. 1232 00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:50.719 And so I'm gonna go to this dark side. I'm 1233 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.760 gonna get revenge on you, and I'm gonna beat you, 1234 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.480 and I'm gonna, you know, do all, And it was 1235 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.239 just great. I just loved everything about that segment. What 1236 00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:57.800 do you guys think? 1237 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.880 So I I I'm still angry at Randy for his 1238 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:07.239 go home promo leading into WrestleMania. He needed he ran 1239 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.079 in it, and tonight was a continuation of it. So 1240 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.360 there's some baggage there, But in context, Randy's promos are 1241 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:17.440 built around Randy's story and at a fascination that he 1242 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.920 or the writer of his promos has with Randy's story, 1243 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:23.280 and it's disconnected. I would argue more than it should 1244 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:27.119 be too often and almost entirely sometimes from the greater good, 1245 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.679 which is what's the crowd reaction goal, Not selling a 1246 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.079 new T shirt with a slogan on it, not making 1247 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.440 the best case you can. That sounds entirely reasonable. So 1248 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.320 Sean from Tennessee calls up and goes, I liked it. 1249 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.840 You want Randy to if his he should be a 1250 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.599 heel here, and because Cody could use a heel opponent, 1251 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:47.559 and I know they're like, oh, but Randy's bigger than 1252 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.079 the he'll face construct there's too many people, you know, 1253 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.880 Roman bigger than the he'll face construct whatever. No, Randy 1254 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.320 should not make a good case for you gave me permission, Cody, 1255 00:59:58.360 --> 00:59:59.920 so I did it. It's your fault. You told me 1256 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.639 to do it, and that version didn't work, so and 1257 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.239 this version will. And I'm being selfish and of course 1258 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.880 deb to be just in their narrative, and people go, well, 1259 01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.039 the fans don't care about right and wrong, or they 1260 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.039 don't care about integrity to finishes, so it therefore that 1261 01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.440 proves that it doesn't that you shouldn't try, and it would. 1262 01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:19.519 It's a it's a failed philosophy that isn't current with 1263 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.559 the time. So I'm like, no, it's a product of 1264 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.239 the narrative that fans don't care because it feel foolish 1265 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:27.199 to care, and the people who did care stop watching, 1266 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.400 and the people are still watching watch for a different 1267 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:33.400 reason than being invested in a certain outcome because somebody 1268 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.679 does it the right way. If w to B invests 1269 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.519 in that narrative structure, again, the fans will buy into that, 1270 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.880 and he might end up with more fans too. So 1271 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:46.440 Randy is just is making a case for what goes 1272 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.519 on in his head. To do it, but it's to 1273 01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:50.719 what ends is he doing it. It's not to get booed, 1274 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.239 it's not to get Cody cheered. It's to just it's 1275 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:55.159 like he said on the he's on the stand as 1276 01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.559 a defense. He's defending himself on the stand at trial. 1277 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.599 Here's why I did it. And the fans are you know? 1278 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.079 I mean, Cody should have known better, Randy should know. 1279 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.519 Randy's just being Randy. And we love Randy because he's 1280 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:08.719 a star in the r KO and the music, and 1281 01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.440 so I want Randy's goal and I wanted to be 1282 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:15.239 going into WrestleMania get Cody cheered, and it's not. It's 1283 01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.199 just Randy making the best case he can for himself. 1284 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.960 So that's the downside of what he did tonight. And 1285 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.960 it was a continuation of something that was more greed 1286 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.719 just going into WrestleMania. But because this is the next 1287 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.280 time we've heard from him, I'm saying it's a continuation 1288 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.239 of that. And I don't want him to make the 1289 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:30.800 best case for Randy. I want him to make a 1290 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.800 case where we go screw that. He's telling himself a 1291 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:37.079 story and and and and that story he's telling himself 1292 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.679 is just excuse making for his own shortcomings, or he's 1293 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.760 trying to rationalize being insane and unreliable and a bad 1294 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.440 friend and taking advantage of Cody is a good person. 1295 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.880 And but I thought Cody was strong, and I like 1296 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:57.519 I you know, Adam in the in the chat, Uh says, Uh, 1297 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.199 well sether vision. Three verstays Cody was good to his 1298 01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:03.199 promo's good tonight. He's great out of making the best 1299 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.440 out of bad situations. He has a lot of practice. 1300 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.119 By the way, on that Crafton says Cody had a 1301 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.559 good night. Overall, Powder of Pete said face Cody and 1302 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.159 r k o heel is good as long as the 1303 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.679 fans play along. And here's a comment I'm looking for. 1304 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.840 Adam kidd Sean says Cody is faker than some of 1305 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:20.880 Tiffany's anatomy. 1306 01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.039 That's just I'm sorry. I mean, you can have be 1307 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.280 fun with it, but I mean that's ridiculous. I mean, 1308 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.760 you have fun with it and say that that's Adam's opinion. 1309 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:29.480 That's fine, You're allowed to have your opinion. I just 1310 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.360 that's a little ridiculous. I mean, I just Cody does 1311 01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:34.239 not seem fake to me. I mean, again, you could 1312 01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:35.440 say he's not whatever. 1313 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:37.719 But to say he's fake is yeah, I think it's 1314 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:39.239 a little too far, but that's again, that's just my 1315 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:40.119 view on it. 1316 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.639 And I agree. Let me sneak this in just Jac 1317 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.280 Scooby says, probably the best promo Cody had on a long, long, 1318 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:52.320 long while Chris Rucker says Cody is fake. Jac Scooby says, 1319 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.400 I think Cody's character needs to evolve. I get that 1320 01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.719 this is an issue, right, What's that it. 1321 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.199 Might be tonight because the night there was more fire 1322 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.239 and he even gave the line than I'm sick of 1323 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.159 being the I'm sick of being the white night. I'm 1324 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.000 gonna if you want to go dirty, I'm gonna take 1325 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.480 it there too. My favorite part of tonight's angle, which 1326 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.159 I think they might have found the special sauce that 1327 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.960 will keep Randy a heel, is I think it's really 1328 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.639 hard in twenty twenty six for a lot of the 1329 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:23.960 things that historically made someone a heel being attacking someone 1330 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.320 from behind, hitting them when they're not looking, an over 1331 01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:32.480 aggressive beat down, an excessive violence, sarcasm, cutting comments, all 1332 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.880 of these things that used to make someone a heel. Now, 1333 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.199 if you're good enough at him, they get you cheered. 1334 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:40.599 But one thing that I think is timeless and pro 1335 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.400 wrestling is no one wants to cheer a coward, and 1336 01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.880 so I think the special sauce to ensure that Cody 1337 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.480 remains a babyface and Randy remains a heel is what 1338 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.199 they did tonight. Cody is trying to fight him. Randy 1339 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.280 is the coward who is running absolutely and I love 1340 01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:58.679 that part of it is Randy's not standing up to him. 1341 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:01.199 Randy bows out of the so he's this guy who 1342 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:04.039 talks up this huge fight and then he bells and 1343 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.519 then gets all aggressive on the mic. And then the 1344 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:11.400 other magic point is Randy was cutting a great promo that, 1345 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.519 like Wade says, was so good, it was kind of 1346 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.159 a babyface promo because it got the crowd fired up. 1347 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.719 It creates this atmosphere of intensity, and then Cody matched 1348 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:24.119 and exceeded that atmosphere of intensity, which made him win 1349 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:27.960 the segment. So if this segment for a babyface hill segment, 1350 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.119 the babyface should be designed to get the best of 1351 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.519 the heel in most of the segments, unless the heel 1352 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.360 undercuts her cheats to get the best of the babyface. 1353 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:39.480 Randy Bell's like a coward. I think what they should 1354 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.719 do for the next three weeks, Cody's trying to fight Randy, 1355 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.559 and Randy avoids it at all costs because not only 1356 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.000 does it make it a coward, but fans want to 1357 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:51.440 see them fight. So if it's Randy who's avoiding the fight, 1358 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.280 he's taking away what the fans want to see. That 1359 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.079 is a heel characteristic that's going to get you boot 1360 01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:57.800 in the arena. 1361 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:02.039 And I absolutely love that. I mean, Randy teasing coming 1362 01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:03.480 in the ring and back in the way, teasing, coming in, 1363 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.639 backing away did make him the heel and I want 1364 01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:09.320 his and let's give him credit for that. And that 1365 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.519 is something that in the end, you know, all's well, 1366 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.480 that ends well in a way. But I'll and I 1367 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.960 know it seems sort of hack or whatever, but it's 1368 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:19.480 not like they don't do it enough with playing to 1369 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.559 the crowd by name in the city. I want Randy 1370 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.480 to say, part of me not being, part of being 1371 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.519 the worst version of myself is looking at you. You 1372 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:32.519 fans were channing r KO and telling you some version 1373 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.519 of screw off, like I don't need you when you 1374 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.039 guys are chanting for me, and I start eating it up. 1375 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.480 It gets me off my game, and my game is, 1376 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.920 through any means necessary, take out somebody like Cody and 1377 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.840 then say something about Cody that people like that Randy doesn't. 1378 01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:48.039 And now he's psychological. Fans are going, well, God, I 1379 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:49.679 thought I liked Randy, but now he's saying he doesn't 1380 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:51.800 want our cheers, and he's saying something about Cody that 1381 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.519 I that I like, or that is a good trade 1382 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.639 in people that he's now demeaning. Whatever, there's there's a 1383 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.519 way to add a little bit more to the context, 1384 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.519 to the content into his promo. So he's not cool Randy. 1385 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.159 And one of the problems that would he has right 1386 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.440 now is the communal crowd response, which is we love 1387 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:11.760 to chant and cheer and sing and pop for entrances 1388 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.960 and songs and catch phrases and all that, but then 1389 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.119 they'll turn and they'll they'll they'll then do the boo 1390 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:23.320 you or or whatever, and I just like, let's try 1391 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.199 to create a consistent emotion with your audience so that 1392 01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:28.920 they're they takes. I want fans take their own feelings 1393 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.480 seriously and not be jerked around having to kind of 1394 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:34.440 check themselves and change back and forth. One other thing 1395 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.400 about this. People saying, oh, Cody said he doesn't have 1396 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.960 to be the good good guy anymore. Well, Cody said, 1397 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.280 is I don't have to. Derek Mitchell said, biggest thing 1398 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:43.320 Cody said that I was I don't need to be 1399 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.039 a good guy. You mentioned that earlier. What Cody really 1400 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.199 said is I don't have to abide by the standards 1401 01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:51.840 of being champion. And when people say Cody, Yeah, when 1402 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.480 people say Cody's phony, I don't know what they're referring to. 1403 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.840 I think what you're saying is I don't like a 1404 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.920 than to Cody. That doesn't mean he's phony. You cannot 1405 01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.239 like him. Chris Rucker in the check goes he's tries 1406 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:07.800 too hard with the suits and he tries to fit 1407 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.039 big words in every promo. He's such a try hard Yes, 1408 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:15.960 the suits are kind of weird and the you know, 1409 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.760 and then he would look upwards, you know, words that 1410 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.119 didn't flow naturally, and he'd misuse them, and it's made 1411 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.519 it something It came across as in insecurity like, oh, 1412 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:24.920 I need it sound smarter than I am. So I'm 1413 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:26.840 gonna use words that I don't naturally flow, but I'm 1414 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:28.440 gonna look it up to sound smarter thing. He hasn't 1415 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.840 done that like a year and a half, so that's 1416 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.920 not a thing he does anymore. The thing is is 1417 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:37.639 what you see in Cody's promo tonight is Cody who 1418 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:43.639 believes in himself and knows what his character is and 1419 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.719 is admitting in this promo. Yes, when I'm champion, I 1420 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.239 feel a pressure to represent the company. It is what 1421 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:51.719 I when I was hanging man page when he first 1422 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.559 one aw world title at right afterwards at the media 1423 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.880 Q and A are you gonna show up one day? 1424 01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:57.079 At time? 1425 01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:58.760 Am im feeling different? He's like, I haven't really thought 1426 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.440 of that. Cody thought about that every night of his 1427 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.880 freaking life. He's woken up going, Man, if I'm champion someday, 1428 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:06.119 how am I going to enter the locker room and 1429 01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.400 lead and b QB one and and try to represent 1430 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.280 the sport that my dad raised me? And how how 1431 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:14.599 am I going to represent myself as champion? Because I 1432 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:16.840 when I walk in public, I'm going to represent this 1433 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.079 brand in this business. That's all Cody thought about when 1434 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.359 I asked Hangman. It's like the thought had never crossed 1435 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.359 his mind that that's even a thing. He didn't know 1436 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:26.920 wrestling history enough to know that's a thing in WWE, 1437 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:29.680 and aw is new then aim as a great guy. 1438 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:31.920 But I'm just saying in that case, it was like, 1439 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.920 so when you say Cody is a tryhard that is authentic. Yeah, 1440 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:39.800 Like he buys it and he does so in a 1441 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:45.000 way that it's a lot, but it's kind of admirable 1442 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.680 if you love pro wrestling. Guess what, Cody loves it 1443 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:49.520 more than anybody. 1444 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:49.960 And he. 1445 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.880 Wants to represent it in what he believes is the 1446 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:58.119 best way to represent it, which is a decade's long 1447 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.319 representation of what the lea the QB won the World 1448 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:05.479 Champion Babyface should be. And it revealed itself tonight when 1449 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.199 he says I don't feel that burden anymore. And it 1450 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.399 worked perfectly for the story with Randy, but it's also 1451 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:12.479 saying if you didn't like me when I'm champion, or 1452 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.560 there's certain things about it, I had to kind of 1453 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.560 hold back. It's like a teacher who loses their job 1454 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:20.079 and they can say what they want to say to 1455 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:21.560 the parent of the kid who annoyed the hell out 1456 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.000 of them for three years. You know what I mean, Like, 1457 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.239 I'm not a teacher. I'm not on the school. I'm 1458 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.560 not on payroll anymore. I'm not employed by the school district. 1459 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.279 So guess what, dad of Johnny, You suck as a 1460 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.760 dad and you don't appreciate the work that teachers go through, 1461 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.520 Like that's kind of what Cody went through tonight. That's genuine. 1462 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.560 I do think he thinks I now can act differently 1463 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.960 to Randy in character on TV because I don't have 1464 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.439 to represent myself in a way that I had to 1465 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:47.760 whenever I'm champion. 1466 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:52.000 So and I think some people might misinterpret fakeness for 1467 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.079 being kind of a goodie two shoes and maybe I 1468 01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:57.800 mean Cody that's Cody Roach's character. I mean, he is 1469 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.920 the goody two shoes. But to me, is that fake. 1470 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.520 It's no more fake than what Trick Williams does. He's 1471 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:09.079 not wearing like a feather a white feathered massive coats 1472 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.359 with a tail that was fifty feet long at WrestleMania. 1473 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:13.920 That's trying hard. 1474 01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:18.880 Yes, yes, yep, yep. Sanitation says Cody is epitome of 1475 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:23.159 fake it until you make it. Yes, No, Chris Rocker says, 1476 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:24.800 if Cody is anybody else would be calling him a 1477 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:28.560 mark for himself. I mean, I think that's worth pondering 1478 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.680 and commenting on it. I don't think I think there's 1479 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:36.159 something different with Cody because it's this is what I 1480 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:37.920 say to Chris and then sewn I prompts story you. 1481 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:41.000 I think what Cody is doing is he's not a 1482 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:48.000 mark for himself. He feels anti I don't want to 1483 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:50.000 relabel as antiquated because I don't think it is, but 1484 01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:54.439 by it sort of has become. Unfortunately, this antiquated notion 1485 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.159 that even though the booker decides your world champion, that 1486 01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.520 is you are given that on of holding that title 1487 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:04.039 and being the top guy because you've earned it. There's 1488 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:09.560 merit and with it comes responsibility and also being a 1489 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.720 lead babyface who kids look up to him. Mean, he 1490 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:13.680 didn't want to turn heel in aw because I put 1491 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.920 the kids and the charity and all that. I believe 1492 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.760 that's way more sincere in this than a lot of 1493 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.479 this won't ames but a lot of babyfaces. So I 1494 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:23.760 think did a lot of stuff for you know, they 1495 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.319 chose the quickest, easiest way to get the good pr 1496 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.960 to build their brand, to sell merchandise. And I think 1497 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.119 Cody off camera is the real deal a lot more 1498 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:34.359 than most people are. 1499 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:37.239 And I think he inherited a traditional mindset of what 1500 01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:40.720 it means to be a wrestling champion that he's internalized 1501 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.039 to be incredibly important to him and the company he represents, 1502 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.319 and that is what his character is. 1503 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:47.239 Yep. 1504 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.279 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 1505 01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.319 some wrestling history, don't miss the Nineties Past cast every 1506 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.680 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. 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Well, 1515 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:40.600 I'm hoping, but I'm just throwing back to Sean. 1516 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:40.840 No. 1517 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.520 I mean, I mean Adam, No, Adam and I are friends. 1518 01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:46.359 I just I disagree with him on that topic, but 1519 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.000 I mean it's fine, You're I mean, I think Cody 1520 01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:51.720 always his field I mean, I see the reasons why 1521 01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:53.920 some people would say that, but I just feel when 1522 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.079 I watch him, he does not come off like that. 1523 01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:58.199 To me. He comes off as like a baby face 1524 01:12:58.199 --> 01:12:59.119 that I want to get behind. 1525 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.680 And tonight the other thing said he was talking about 1526 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:03.239 by the way Adam Kitson, it was. 1527 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:05.039 Somebody brought up too, and it was perf And it 1528 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.520 was so true when Ko came out when he was 1529 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.159 in the aisle and Cody, you know, they looked at 1530 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:13.399 each other because they'd had the feud before he left, 1531 01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:14.920 and he just handed him the mic. 1532 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:15.399 Yeah. 1533 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.520 Gone, I mean that's a genuine thing to do, man. 1534 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:18.960 I mean, he didn't have to do that, but he 1535 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:21.159 was like, you know in Canaan, like, no, I'm here, 1536 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.239 you go, You're then Num One contender, Man, go do 1537 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.920 your thing. You know, I hate it, but it kind 1538 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.079 of is what it is. But I said, I like 1539 01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.720 that segment a lot. And then I wanted to bring 1540 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:35.000 up we were talking to the you brought up Derek 1541 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.520 when Wade was having the issues about Charlotte and Jade. 1542 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.319 I mean, I've said this many times. I don't want 1543 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:42.880 to harp on it. I just everybody's gonna give Jade 1544 01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.880 crap and it pisses me off. Charlotte is not good 1545 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.199 in the ring right now. I'm sorry, Like you cannot 1546 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.880 sit there and sit there and say Jade is bad. 1547 01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.720 This match was bad because my friend, you know, who's 1548 01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:56.279 been in the chat before, said, oh, Jade sucked tonight. 1549 01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.000 I'm like, no, Charlotte sucked too tonight. She did stupid 1550 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:00.800 moves that she doesn't need to be doing. The natural 1551 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.560 selection sucks and she did it from the top rope. 1552 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.680 It looks terrible. It's gonna look terrible. Why are we 1553 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.560 doing that move? Like, do moves that makes sense in 1554 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.800 the midst of a match that I want to actually 1555 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.079 get behind. I want to get into it. I told 1556 01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:16.479 you Wade, I like Jade. She's improved. To me, I 1557 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.760 think she's gotten better. Is she slow, Yes, she's very slow, 1558 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.000 but she's improved. She's gotten better. Charlotte, if it's not 1559 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.359 a main event match on WrestleMania, she stinks in the ring. 1560 01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:29.159 I don't like any of her matches. When I'm just 1561 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.640 watching her in the ring, the kicks look bad. They 1562 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.560 show so much light. Could be both people, but it's 1563 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.199 I feel like Charlotte is a lot to blame for it. 1564 01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.800 And you know, again here's my other thing too. So 1565 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:44.479 the finish happened, which again I'm still it still pisses 1566 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.199 me off because I just don't think they need all 1567 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.680 the interference when Jade doesn't need them to fight for 1568 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.479 her in any way, but that they're going to. They're 1569 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:55.119 her baddies I gotta fight for They obviously did it 1570 01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.479 because they wanted to get Tadum Pasley and Alexa Bliss back. Okay, yes, reason, 1571 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:02.880 but I still don't like it. Don't do these kind 1572 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:05.239 of finishes. It takes you out of these matches and 1573 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.279 it's annoying. So that's a lot to harp on. But 1574 01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:10.000 I just that was at that end to the show 1575 01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:12.399 for me. But it's not just Jade people, it's Charlotte. 1576 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:13.760 She has a lot to do that I want to 1577 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:14.640 get on her for it. 1578 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:16.640 A couple of check comments, I'll throw it out. Derek 1579 01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.279 for his assessment of this, Mark Basquetti says, Charlotte wrestles 1580 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:22.920 like she's afraid of getting injured. Maybe for good reason, 1581 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.960 especially against Jade, but really against other people who are 1582 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:28.479 different than Jade. We're there's a risk too. Adam Kidd 1583 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.840 goes I think Charlotte has lost her fastball. Derek, what 1584 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:38.840 are you seeing in Charlotte's in ring work? Yeah? What 1585 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:39.880 jumps out to you? 1586 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.840 She's not sure footed. That that would be the first 1587 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:46.159 thing I said, the first thing that comes to mind. 1588 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:48.520 And it seems to be a confidence issue too with 1589 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.640 depending on who she's in there with. But there was 1590 01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:54.159 stutter steps on all the spots that didn't look right. 1591 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.479 There was the one and in that walk over, that handstand, 1592 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.800 walk over clothesline thing she does. Someone needs to tell 1593 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.960 her that that's just not a move that works in 1594 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:04.600 the way that you're doing it. You don't have to 1595 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:06.760 strip it from your arsenal. If you did it from 1596 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:09.600 the corner and gave somebody more space, you could probably 1597 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:11.640 hit it. But the way it is now, it's a 1598 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.039 bad timing move that it forces you to stutter step 1599 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.039 and forces the other person to stutter step, which loses 1600 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:21.600 the aura of athleticism that you used to present that 1601 01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:24.479 you're no longer presenting. But even when she climbs up 1602 01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.239 to the top rope, she just doesn't feel confident with 1603 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:31.159 her feet under her and about being afraid to be hurt. 1604 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:34.079 I see that too, where when she's doing the strike offs, 1605 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:37.000 she's asking the person to bring it, but then she's 1606 01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:39.640 dipping her shoulder in front of her face so they 1607 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.439 can't make contact with her because she doesn't trust them. 1608 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:46.039 And that all makes the cadence of your strikeofs look 1609 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.560 bad as you're not opening yourself up to give somebody 1610 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:51.720 to hit. It's like, Sean, if you are going to 1611 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:55.039 forearm me through the screen right now, if I do this, 1612 01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.279 you can't hit me. I need to give you this 1613 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.800 so you have something to hit. Otherwise you have a choice. 1614 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:04.479 You can either hit my shoulder that looks like crap, 1615 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:06.319 or you can hit me in the head and then 1616 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:07.119 it's gonna hurt me. 1617 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.000 Or as a former karate guy who sparred a lot, 1618 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.640 I'd score a point by using my left leg to 1619 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:13.399 run kick you in the chin because you're bending over 1620 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:14.640 and making yourself vulnerable for that. 1621 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:16.960 But it's that kind of stuff where a lot of 1622 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.319 and I'm not just gonna say it's Charlotte or Jade, 1623 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:21.880 I'm going to make a general statement a lot of 1624 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:25.079 the female wrestling has been really bad for the last 1625 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:29.840 two months, where there is definitely a major disconnect between 1626 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:34.199 what's going on in NXT where they're performing rehearsed matches 1627 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.119 and then they transfer over to the main roster, and 1628 01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:38.920 I really think they need to sit down with their 1629 01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:42.520 agents and they need to stop making things so damn complicated, 1630 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:46.199 because that match with Roxane Perez and Sol Ruka, which 1631 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:49.239 wasn't terrible, but I was watching spots and they were 1632 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:53.359 having like between two and three counters and reversals before 1633 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.439 anybody takes a bump. And if you screw up any 1634 01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.359 of those counters and reversals before somebody takes the move, 1635 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.199 move loses all of its effect. Why are you doing 1636 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:07.920 things so complicated? Jade's best matches were against Rhea Ripley, 1637 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:11.039 where there was two or three complicated spots and a 1638 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:14.600 lot of it was just impact. They almost won the 1639 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.640 crowd with the one move that had impact tonight, which 1640 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.399 was the power bomb off the top rope. They hit 1641 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:22.680 the big power bomb off the top rope and fans 1642 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:25.039 were like, we're going to give you another chance to 1643 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.720 win us over, and then they did two or three 1644 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:29.800 other complicated things that didn't go well. 1645 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:31.880 Did you like the set up for that or did 1646 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:33.760 it cause it look like a struggle. It was a 1647 01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:38.000 real struggle, but sometimes a real struggle can make it. 1648 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:40.640 The key is is not everything should go so smooth 1649 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:43.159 that it looks like a well rehearsed acrobatics exchange. But 1650 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:45.479 if it looks like you're struggling to set something up 1651 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.159 unnaturally in order to achieve something that looks choreographed, and 1652 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.079 that's a bad thing. And that's the category I thought. 1653 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:50.239 This was it. 1654 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:52.800 Yeah, And so the way it was taught to me 1655 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.640 that I think is important is everything you do in 1656 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.880 a transition should look like a move that you're going 1657 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.520 that gets countered, and you have to frame all of it. 1658 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.359 So she's going for her trist stratus hurricane ran or 1659 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.119 the stratus whatever it was called, the leg scissors thing. 1660 01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:11.760 She goes for that move. You should see that she's 1661 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.840 trying to go for that move. You can see that 1662 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.039 Jade blocks it, and Jade gives the look that I 1663 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.119 just blocked it. And then Jade needs to hoist her up, 1664 01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:22.680 not Charlotte do a do a sit up. Because Jade 1665 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.920 hooks her up like she's going to power bomber. Charlotte 1666 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.239 acts like she's gonna do a hurricane rada, and then 1667 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.720 she power bombs her. That's what we should have should 1668 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.159 have seen instead of this thing where it was, I'm 1669 01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:37.119 gonna throw you my legs. I'm gonna grab him. You're 1670 01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:39.800 slowly gonna do a sit up onto me. I'm gonna 1671 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.039 make sure that I got you stand up slowly and 1672 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.960 power bomb you. So you need to frame all of 1673 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.399 those counters for them to actually come across to the 1674 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:48.880 audience as counters. 1675 01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:51.000 What stood out to me as Charlotte went for the 1676 01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:53.640 leg scissors and the look on Jade's face is like, 1677 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:56.560 oh my god, her legs might not grip my head properly. 1678 01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.199 Let me pull her leg up so that it can 1679 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:00.560 get a proper position, so that I can look like 1680 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:02.920 she's doing the move, so that when I counter it, 1681 01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:05.000 it'll have a flow to it. And all of that 1682 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:07.720 like to me conveyed in her face like a panic 1683 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:09.640 that her leg's not where it needs me. So let 1684 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:11.359 me lift her leg up and put it in position 1685 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.039 to set up a move that now I'm going to counter. 1686 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:15.319 And I don't you know, I don't know where it was. 1687 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:20.560 Yes, exactly, And there's if that was your move, there's 1688 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:22.439 there's such an easier way to get up for it. 1689 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:24.680 Have Charlotte go up for a upro perk and run 1690 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:27.359 to jump on her shoulders, catcher and power bomber. You 1691 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:28.640 don't need all those other things. 1692 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:32.079 Yep, I simplify as it's a really good I would 1693 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.840 a lot of wrestlers, which is just be simplify some 1694 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.239 check comments here on this Sean that will throw to you. 1695 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.239 Oh my god, I finally grew Sean. Charlotte is really 1696 01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:45.000 not good in the ranks, says Chris Rucker. Uhell good 1697 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.560 good Fellow says, I really like this Jade Flair match. Damn, 1698 01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.600 I didn't always in the minority point. Do you feel 1699 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:50.880 like a fool good Fella after all that? 1700 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:51.119 Wow? 1701 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:51.640 Yeah? 1702 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:56.199 And uh for good Fellow. In Goodfella's defense, there was 1703 01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:58.880 parts there was There was probably two or three parts 1704 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:02.119 on the match where I started feeling like, Okay, they 1705 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.640 found their stride. Yeah, they found their stride. And I 1706 01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:07.439 filled out a lot with matches where it might be 1707 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:09.920 shaky in different places. But as long as they find 1708 01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:14.319 their stride, especially after the commercial break, if you if 1709 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:16.920 you hit the landing, I'll call it a good match, 1710 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.279 especially if it told the right story and it accomplished 1711 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:21.840 its goal. They didn't stick the landing which made the 1712 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:22.760 story fall flat. 1713 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:29.399 Yep. Jacon Scooby said, Charlotte wrestles like she lost her confidence. Yeah, 1714 01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:32.199 another variation on what we've been saying. Mister Rock City 1715 01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:34.479 eighty six says, everything Charlotte does from the top rope 1716 01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:39.239 looks terrible. Proved me wrong. Lol. Adam kids say Charlotte 1717 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:40.920 has to carry her in that match as a veteran, 1718 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:45.239 and she failed. Father of pizzays Jade is improving, but 1719 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.880 at what rate? That's fair? Rude Dog says, I feel 1720 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:51.399 like Charlotte's body type isn't doing her any favors. She 1721 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.159 just seems kind of skinny and fragile. 1722 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:56.359 She does look skinnier, I mean just you know, not 1723 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.600 you know, in a in a good way in normal life, 1724 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:00.199 but in wrestling. I don't know if that's good for 1725 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.800 her her body type. Yeah, that's that's fair. 1726 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:07.600 And it sounds mean. But I'll even say this. I'll 1727 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.399 even say this, when I wrestled, when I would drop 1728 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:13.399 below ten percent body fat, that is always when I 1729 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:17.560 tore my bicep. Muscle wrestling, it's your your body needs 1730 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:21.479 fat on it to be more hearty. And I do 1731 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:23.640 think some of these females like it might even be 1732 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.720 Ria Ripley's why she got a recent injury. You don't 1733 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.399 have as much patty, you don't have as much padding 1734 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:31.760 on you, more susceptible to injury. 1735 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:33.319 That's a good point. 1736 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.600 Yeah, that's why we're like people complimenting Finn Balor being 1737 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:39.119 in the best shape of his life right now. Derek, 1738 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:41.359 I think he looks like he needs some body fat. 1739 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.000 That looks at like an unhealthy a cut. 1740 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:48.720 Yeah. In his defense though, because he's got smaller muscle bodies, 1741 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.399 I'm not I'm not afraid of him ripping them off, 1742 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:54.039 like as soon as like Triple H got really jacked. 1743 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.159 It's just a matter of time, and it's natural. 1744 01:22:57.640 --> 01:22:59.760 Batista all these injuries, Yeah. 1745 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:03.079 Exactly, like nobody ever should tear their lad off their body. 1746 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:07.680 Batista tore both of his lats because he had huge 1747 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:10.640 lads and no body fat to keep them in blaze. 1748 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:12.840 So I think Balor's actually in a better place because 1749 01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:15.640 he doesn't have massive muscle bodies, which puts a massive 1750 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:16.800 strain on your tendons. 1751 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:21.840 Yeah, I just I even saying it's a higher risk aside. 1752 01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:28.319 I think Finn Balor looks dehydrated, emaciated, but muscular underneath, 1753 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.760 but like I kind of want like some body fat 1754 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:36.760 like it. It feels like it's unnaturally transparent just to 1755 01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.840 the muscles. Like I don't know, I don't think this 1756 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:41.920 is the best look for him, but I mean it's 1757 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.600 it's it's subjective, but it's like I a little body 1758 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:47.119 fat on Finn balor is Is. I think looks more 1759 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:49.439 athletic and less I cut for a bodybuilding competition. 1760 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.720 To each to each their own, but I know I 1761 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:55.680 don't even diet down that severe anymore ever, because I 1762 01:23:55.720 --> 01:24:00.479 don't feel like my mental acuity, my my my dura ability. 1763 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.399 I know his compromise when I get too lean. 1764 01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:08.479 Yeah yep, Celevision three. So Charlotte's like the Eli Manning 1765 01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:10.359 of wrestling, great in big matches and has a huge 1766 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.239 name recognition, but week to week normal matches are mediocre, 1767 01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:19.319 too bad yep. Good Fellow says suplexes herd punches high 1768 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:21.520 MPEx spot from Jade. I liked it tonight, so that's 1769 01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.239 a good fella liked about it, mister rock City. He says, 1770 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:27.039 Charlotte can't bring a below average wrestler up to a 1771 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:28.920 good match. He's not a good leader in that sense. 1772 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:30.600 She needs someone on her level or better to have 1773 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:32.880 a standout match. I think that's true. 1774 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.760 Yes, I think that's fair too. I think that's fair. 1775 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:39.359 Yep. Jacon Scooby says Charlotte didn't even lock her figure 1776 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:42.279 four leg lock on. Yeah, it's like Miz not knowing that. 1777 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.760 I'd never forgive him for that. But like I could 1778 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:46.159 do a figure for a leglock on my friends when 1779 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:48.760 I was thirteen. It's not hard like I mean, it's just. 1780 01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.479 Practice. You got to say, though. We were practicing a 1781 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:55.840 lot to the very young age on how to apply 1782 01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:56.960 those sorts. 1783 01:24:57.000 --> 01:24:59.640 But if it's my finisher, I like I would practically, 1784 01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:02.359 I would, I would find people to practice that. Chris 1785 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:05.079 Ruckers twenty three forty two says that figure four is awful. 1786 01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:08.119 How do you not know how to do your own finisher? Well, yeah, true, 1787 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.760 I know, Pather be Goles, I'm en tired to show 1788 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:14.560 it for a while now. Then Derek Mitchell a super chat. 1789 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.920 Thank you Derek, Thank you Sean As I feel there's 1790 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.279 a segment of people, no matter what Jade does, think 1791 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:22.960 she can't do anything right. And I think Jade has 1792 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:23.680 gotten better. 1793 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:28.239 I think I don't think the agents do her any favors, 1794 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.760 to be honest, like they make her matches more complicated, 1795 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:35.279 and it doesn't have to be. Like brock Lesner is 1796 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.680 a great example. And because I was, I'm writing an 1797 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:41.199 article for my next column. Wait, we'll be on brock Lesner. 1798 01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:43.920 And the thing I admire about brock Lesner is the 1799 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:47.560 simplicity of his matches. He never messes up a spot 1800 01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:51.000 because he doesn't do spots. Why does Jade need to 1801 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.279 do complicated spots. She looks like she carries a punch 1802 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.439 and packs impact. Let her carry a punch and pack impact. 1803 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:58.800 That's when she's effective. 1804 01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:04.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean Jamee's best match, which is weird 1805 01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:07.079 to say. It hurts me to say in a weird way, 1806 01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:10.159 it was against Naomi. Her best matches were against Naomi. 1807 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.039 In my I liked her matches against Rhea. 1808 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:14.479 Yeah, no, in Ria too, you said, Ria, that's why 1809 01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:17.359 it's brought a different one. But but and Ria has 1810 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:19.199 lost a lot of weight. You're right, I mean, that's 1811 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:20.159 a good point she has. 1812 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:20.800 She looked. 1813 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.840 I was looking her and Io were together. I was like, 1814 01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:25.720 oh my gosh, she really does look like she's and 1815 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:27.920 it's you know, it's okay. And like I, you know, 1816 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:30.159 to want to lose weight, but in wrestling it does 1817 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.079 hurt a little bit in the way you're trying to 1818 01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:34.239 come across as a bad ass. Like, it does hurt 1819 01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:35.119 a little bit, But. 1820 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:38.600 I think it makes you more Like they said, I 1821 01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.520 think it makes you more fragile, and you don't find out. 1822 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:45.039 It's like being injury poem prone. Never nobody knows their 1823 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:46.880 injury prone until they start getting injured. 1824 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:51.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great way to put it. 1825 01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:53.399 It is a it is a lesson learned the hard way. 1826 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:57.840 Yeah yeah. I like did some like seven straight days 1827 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.439 of trail running this summer earlier summer, and I hadn't 1828 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:05.680 jogged for like ever, like a long time. I've been 1829 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:09.119 biking and in pickleball, like the when I first sart 1830 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.079 playing pickball for years ago, I had all I couldn't 1831 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.039 get out of the car after a drove home, like 1832 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.640 I I like people, if neighbor saw me getting out 1833 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:17.079 of the car to playing pickleball for like two hours, 1834 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:19.399 I'd think was he in a car rerecord? Like I mean, 1835 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.600 it was not pretty, and I'd go ice my my 1836 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:24.960 feet and my knee, especially my feet. So I trail 1837 01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:26.680 ran like seven or eight days of my dog did 1838 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.039 two miles to rail runs. I paused like I was 1839 01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:30.640 watching my heart rate and overdo it, so it's gonna 1840 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.520 like collapse in the heat. But I could not walk 1841 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:36.920 upstairs for like three weeks, like it's couldn't I should 1842 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:38.479 have taken two days off in between, because I was 1843 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.800 I got into it too quickly, and but I probably 1844 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.119 I probably could have gotten away with it into my 1845 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:45.279 twenties when I was in karate in my twenties, I 1846 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:47.840 always had ailments then too. It's just natural if you 1847 01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:52.920 overextend yourself and so but I was like, okay, testament 1848 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:54.600 to this. You don't know how entry prone you are 1849 01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.279 until you do something that feels good doing it, and 1850 01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:58.840 then a week you know it was about four day 1851 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:02.279 delay and suddenly my niece have never hurt like that, 1852 01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:04.680 And I was like, okay, I gotta be smarter about this. 1853 01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:08.720 In the show A wrestling perspective, when I was indie wrestling, 1854 01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:11.920 there was three different occasions where I took a few 1855 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.359 months off. Once to finish up my degree. I didn't 1856 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.399 wrestle for about eighteen months. And the thing that surprised 1857 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:20.239 me when I got back in there and started training 1858 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.479 is over time, I had hit the rope so many 1859 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:26.640 times where I had this callous on my lap and 1860 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.319 to the point where running the ropes didn't feel like anything. 1861 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:32.439 My first day back running the ropes, doing just basic 1862 01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:36.039 running the ropes drills, I have these terrible bruises right 1863 01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:39.560 above my armpit. Yeah, and I peed blood for like 1864 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.880 two days. And that was because that callous was gone. 1865 01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:45.560 And running the ropes, which doesn't hurt when you're doing 1866 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:47.359 it all the time, but boy, do you find out 1867 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:50.359 what that does to you when you don't do it. Yeah. 1868 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:52.479 Yeah, a couple of ore comments on the shot, and 1869 01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:53.880 I'll throw to you for anything you want to say. 1870 01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:56.840 In response to our convo here, jac Scooby says, Charlotte 1871 01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:03.319 Jade feud needs to end like yesterday. Uh, mister rock 1872 01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:05.399 City says, the walk over, handstand, clothes line, the moons 1873 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:07.279 off from the top to the outside, natural selection, They're 1874 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.359 all moves. Charlotte needs to drop. Do they not watch 1875 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:11.760 their matches back or do they just think look at 1876 01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:15.439 the acrobaticness of it as opposed to the believability of it. 1877 01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:18.479 So I mentioned this way when I was talking to 1878 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:23.399 Greg Parks on Saturday for SummerSlam. But I finally watched 1879 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.800 WWE unreal, I hadn't watched any of the seasons, but 1880 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:29.640 I finally watched it. Yeah, and because I met my 1881 01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:32.079 parents' house with nothing to do while they're in Scotland, 1882 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:36.199 and uh so I really enjoyed the show. But the 1883 01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:38.840 one thing that if there was anything that bugged me, 1884 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:41.399 it's not the comments that get taken out of context 1885 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.119 and put online to piss people off. That stuff is 1886 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.760 silly to me, But it was how congratulatory they are 1887 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.439 to each other every time they come back from the back. 1888 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:52.600 And I know it's a show, so they might not 1889 01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:56.720 be showing those hard conversations. But a lot of the 1890 01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:59.479 matches that to me didn't go well, where if I 1891 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:01.720 was a compet in that match and I came back, 1892 01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:06.279 I would be pissed off and I would not want 1893 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:09.159 my boss to say tell me that was great, because 1894 01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:11.479 I know it wasn't. Like A good example was like 1895 01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:13.800 Randy Orton and Cody Roase, They're like, yeah, it was great, 1896 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:15.880 it was this and that I'm like, no, youre WrestleMania 1897 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:18.920 match was bad and someone needs to tell you that 1898 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:22.119 it was bad. Like the fans didn't resonate with your story. 1899 01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:25.359 It was slow, it was plotting, it didn't resonate with people, 1900 01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:28.560 and you got a bad crowd response. But the fact 1901 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:32.279 of how congratulatory they are to everybody, and especially with 1902 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:35.760 younger competitors. I mean, you don't have to tell someone 1903 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:38.680 they suck and everything they did suck and tear them 1904 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.640 down and they should never rustle again for their life. 1905 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:45.760 But constructive criticism from the right voice needs to be 1906 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.720 happening all the time if you expect people to improve. 1907 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.880 And I hope we are only seeing a glimpse of 1908 01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:56.119 unreal that's not showing those conversations. But I worry those 1909 01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:59.159 hard conversations with people like Charlotte, who to them is 1910 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:02.560 a veteran, are not happening. Happening because they know that 1911 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:06.159 she's emotionally fragile. No, if you're gonna put it on 1912 01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:08.359 TV and it looks bad, someone needs to tell you 1913 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:10.840 it looks bad. And a lot of her offense it 1914 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:11.439 looks bad. 1915 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:14.199 Yeah. I was thinking when when she they did her 1916 01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:16.560 arrival shot and there two three guys in the back 1917 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:19.159 just started bowing to her, and I was like, you know, 1918 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:21.680 you just you're around long enough, yeah, Ron, long enough, 1919 01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:23.560 you have like these big matches, and then people just 1920 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:27.560 start like sort of worshiping like what your character is 1921 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.199 supposed to be, and you can kind of lose sight 1922 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:31.640 of there's things you still need to improve upon her. 1923 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.159 There are things that you were barely passibly before and 1924 01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.399 now they're not and no one's telling you the truth anymore. 1925 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:39.560 And plus once you put a camera on something like 1926 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:43.159 this back after the match, backstage, congratulations, it's not real anymore. 1927 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.000 Like that's what people said about MTV the first like 1928 01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:47.159 live in you know camera of twenty four r will 1929 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:51.479 edit into a reality show type thing, is you know, yes? 1930 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:56.359 What was their catchphrase? You know, things start to get 1931 01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:58.680 real after a while whatever. I can't remember the catchrase. 1932 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.199 But when a camera is there, it's never real. Like 1933 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:03.359 people are always in the back of their mind, no 1934 01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:05.880 matter how much it becomes invisible and kind of just 1935 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:09.159 wallpaper on the wall. You know, you're representing something that 1936 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:11.359 could be edited and put out there that will define 1937 01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:14.199 you in the public. Guy, you're gonna change as yelling 1938 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:17.119 my dog earlier like and I'm like, I'm like, oh 1939 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:18.479 my god, I hope the neighbor can't hear yell because 1940 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.039 they're gonna thak, I'm crazy, you know, but you know 1941 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:21.600 you get friend. So but if I had a camera 1942 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:23.399 on me for reality show, I'd walked up to him 1943 01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:24.720 and I would have had a com talk with him 1944 01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:28.399 instead of telling him like stop it. So, you know, 1945 01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:30.920 like cameras changed who we are, and so when a 1946 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.520 camera is present, they're like Paula X's oh there's camera. 1947 01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:36.239 Though I'm going to be the uncle who says good 1948 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:38.720 match to everybody because I'm a good, positive guy. But 1949 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.000 if the camera wasn't there and there weren't other people 1950 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:42.800 be like, oh, let's let's go talk, you know, or 1951 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:45.039 if it's ally night, you just do it anyway. 1952 01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:47.880 Yeah. Well and two like like I'm a I'm a 1953 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:51.600 high school teacher. Is my job, and so constructive criticism 1954 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.079 is what I have to give students, and a lot 1955 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:56.079 of times I think of it as in their writing, 1956 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.720 where that's where I see the biggest range from kids 1957 01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.119 where some are really good and so are really struggling. 1958 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:04.359 But my students who are really struggling, I always want 1959 01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:07.319 to say something good before I give them the constructive 1960 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:11.239 criticism because it starts the conversation off where oh, well, 1961 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:13.239 he thought this was a good idea, but now I 1962 01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:16.640 need to fix these things. And there's probably a lot 1963 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:18.880 of I mean, we look at all these people as adults, 1964 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:24.119 but adults, adults take criticism worse than kids a lot 1965 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.479 of times, you know. But I hope they have trust 1966 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:30.399 in their agents and producers where I hope right now 1967 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.920 they're talking to Charlotte and Jade and saying, this is 1968 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.720 what you should have done. This was wrong, this was 1969 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.359 not done. Well, why did you do this? We shouldn't 1970 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:41.119 have decided to do that, because that's how you get better. 1971 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:46.640 Yeah, before pushing play on the way Keller Pro Wrestling 1972 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:49.079 post shows, check out pw torch dot com and our 1973 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:52.279 TV review section and skim through a full rundown of 1974 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.000 the TV show if you didn't see it, that's your 1975 01:33:54.039 --> 01:33:56.479 way to get an overview of what happened before you 1976 01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:00.000 dive into our in depth analysis of the key happening 1977 01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:02.800 on the show. That's pw torch dot com. You're home 1978 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:06.239 for live TV coverage every Monday, Wednesday and Friday with 1979 01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:08.399 my TV Reports, and also check out our NXT and 1980 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.239 Impact coverage on Tuesdays and Thursdays our Collision Reports on 1981 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:13.079 Saturday nights and of course our live pay per view 1982 01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:16.039 and PLEE coverage on weekends, all waiting for you at 1983 01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:20.720 PW Torch dot com. H Sadler's goes. I've been saying 1984 01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:22.680 for months women's division on the main roster has been 1985 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.279 awful in the ring. And Derek, I hope what you 1986 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.279 just said is true. I hope I like it. I mean, 1987 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:29.199 just out of fairness of soul, Ruka cent her away 1988 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:32.560 until she gets better, Like everything's wrong about what she's 1989 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:36.520 doing in the ring, and it's it's not it's not transferring. Well, 1990 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:39.279 mister rock City says, I believe the setup looks so 1991 01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:42.239 choreograph because Charlotte never actually does that move that's part 1992 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:44.239 of it. In the corner spot setting up the part 1993 01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:48.039 part on the corner. Yes, uh, Jade appeared to hold 1994 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.039 her wig. I don't know did did did that happen? 1995 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.920 Derell says. In Charlotte came back from her knee injury 1996 01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:56.680 and have been wearing that knee break. She has been 1997 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:58.960 unsure and especially with her changing her body to be 1998 01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:03.439 smaller and slimmer, and I will say, I mean, if 1999 01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:05.000 we stipulate to the fact that it can make your 2000 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.680 matches suck if she literally is going, I don't want 2001 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:11.880 to go through another your rehab, yeah, you know, And 2002 01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:14.279 so I'm gonna people bow when I walk in the building. 2003 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:17.640 I'm a legend, I'm a flair. I got my signature moves. 2004 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.279 Nobody hears all that good anymore, you know, Like I 2005 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:23.479 mean not some people are better than good, but there's 2006 01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:25.159 a lot of people aren't good here getting TV time. 2007 01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:26.920 I just I don't want to go through I mean, 2008 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:28.960 Robert Smith on this little Vikings running back when the 2009 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.000 Bikers are having their great fifteen one season back in 2010 01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.800 the late nineties, he had like multipleknee injuries. We can 2011 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:35.479 get tackled out of bounds and his knee, but pop, 2012 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.039 finally he could have gotten another He could have gone 2013 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:40.399 through your rehab after his last kne injury and played 2014 01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:42.119 three more years and made a lot more money. He's like, 2015 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:45.359 I'm done, Like, I don't want to risk any injury. 2016 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:46.479 I want to be able to walk when I'm in 2017 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:49.079 my fifties and sixties, and it's I have enough money 2018 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:50.640 to be happy enough. I don't want to risk another 2019 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:54.000 knee injury there. But that's football. But Charlotte doesn't have 2020 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:54.600 to make that choice. 2021 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:54.920 She can go. 2022 01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.359 I just won't do those moves that put me at risk. 2023 01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.560 I will be more careful than what I do now. 2024 01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:01.800 You can still get injured. But I think that might 2025 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:03.920 We don't know, but that might be the mindset, Derek. 2026 01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:06.399 Well, and I think you just touched it. Wade. Is 2027 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:09.239 instead of doing the old moves that you used to 2028 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:11.760 do and not doing them as well, or doing them 2029 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.079 in a way that looks cautious and safe and hence 2030 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:18.640 not part of competition, have the courage to try something 2031 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.159 new and do do the things you can do better. 2032 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:25.119 Yep, yep, yeah, absolutely. I mean there are things Chris 2033 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.199 Jericho can't do, but he can do a Judas effect 2034 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:29.479 because it's just spinning around with your elbow in the air, 2035 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:33.079 you know, Like I mean you you introduce Ricky Steamboa 2036 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:34.439 used to cross body and then he said, no, I'm 2037 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:35.680 going to do a chop to the I'm gonna jump 2038 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:36.920 on top rope and to a chop to the head. 2039 01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:39.279 And for Charlotte, I just be like, stop jumping off 2040 01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:42.760 the top rope, start throwing better sup plexes. Yep, and 2041 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:46.319 I'll give you and work on your work on your chops. 2042 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:49.920 To where instead of you know, like chest taps the look, 2043 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:54.079 they look like they have impact and that can absolutely. 2044 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:56.479 Or don't do the move your dad did if because 2045 01:36:56.680 --> 01:36:58.840 in the crowd goes, we just get them engaged in 2046 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:02.239 a different way. Adam Kid says, ask any bodybuilder single 2047 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.359 digit body fat is unhealthy for any reasons. This goes 2048 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:06.760 back to a Fin Ballar conversation. Good Fella says, Fin 2049 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:07.880 Baller looks healthy to me. 2050 01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:11.760 Looks amazing. I don't know if it's healthy. 2051 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.199 Yes, yep, that's what pother repeat says, Finn looks amazing. 2052 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:18.199 Chris Rucker goes, My girlfriend thinks Finn Baller looks just 2053 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.960 fine whatever that means. But Staturady Debation says Fin looks 2054 01:37:22.039 --> 01:37:25.920 unnatural to me. And by the way, if you if 2055 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:32.800 Chris Rucker didn't know, Crafton says, it means she likes him. Adam, Uh, 2056 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:34.840 you need fat for your for your brain as well 2057 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:35.720 as hormone balance. 2058 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:38.000 So uh and wait, if it makes you feel better 2059 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:40.680 about Finn Balor's physic I just listened to a podcast 2060 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:42.920 with him and why he probably looks more ripped now 2061 01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:46.960 surprisingly is he just reintroduced carbs into his diet. So 2062 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:49.319 he was like a keto guy who wasn't eating any 2063 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:52.239 carbs for so long. And if you're if you've conditioned 2064 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:55.520 your body like that and then you start introducing carbohydrates, 2065 01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:58.720 then often your muscles actually pop a little more. And 2066 01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:02.960 it looks like like his probably more because he's eating carbohydrates. 2067 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:06.840 Wow, okay, body, I heed his weird things with when 2068 01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:09.239 you go one direction and and change up, Yeah, you 2069 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:14.640 can have almost a counterintuitive effect at first at least. Yeah, 2070 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:15.800 So Sean, go ahead. 2071 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:20.279 I've been Chris brought up something else that I I 2072 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.039 disagree in the sense of he brought up I would 2073 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.680 I wanted. I wish they would have had the Charlotte 2074 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.279 Jade matches SummerSlam. Not me, Chris, Sorry, buddy, imagine that 2075 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.119 match being a Summer Slam. Oh God, bless America. That 2076 01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:35.520 would have been bad. And I know, I mean, I'd 2077 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:37.239 rather have it on this show than have it on 2078 01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:39.800 a Summer Slam. I mean, yes, it's a SummerSlam tight 2079 01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:42.239 match of two stars. I get what he's saying. But 2080 01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:44.880 after watching the match tonight, no, I'm so glad it 2081 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.640 was not on Summer Slam. I'm thankful that it wasn't. 2082 01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:50.159 But Alexa. Another thing I didn't like is Alexa bringing 2083 01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.119 out the stupid Lily doll. Oh my god, I thought 2084 01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:54.439 we were past that too. I really thought that was over. 2085 01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:56.279 And I know Tatum came back and that's part of what, 2086 01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:58.399 but I was just like, man, I don't need that Lily. 2087 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:00.159 I know it's merged. I know they make a lot 2088 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.159 of money. I get it, but I don't need Alexa 2089 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:06.159 with the Lily. Though I like Alexa, I don't like Lily. Geeesh. 2090 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:08.600 Stop. But the last thing I was going to bring 2091 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.760 up before I transition, here's a comment worth talking about. 2092 01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:14.720 Chris Rucker goes, I do feel annoyed they wasted the 2093 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:16.880 first Charlotte Jade one on one match on a random SmackDown. 2094 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:19.079 If you're building it for nearly a damn y're are 2095 01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:20.960 we missing the big story here? We're talking about a 2096 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:26.199 move or whatever, Like why is this on a random SmackDown? 2097 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.600 So I'll introduce an idea why it might have been? 2098 01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:32.880 Yeah, is you you. 2099 01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:35.880 Show a match that gives people like a taste of 2100 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:38.800 what it could look like with an inconclusive finish, where 2101 01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:41.239 you feel that people will get excited enough about it 2102 01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:43.159 the next time it comes around, they want to see 2103 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:46.600 it again. Unfortunately, because the output was not what they 2104 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:49.439 had hoped. This doesn't make anybody want to see the 2105 01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:50.800 match on a bigger steak again. 2106 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:54.840 And I am I'm putting this on a pedestal. It 2107 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.159 doesn't belong on, but it is. I think it's still 2108 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.439 appropriate for the sake of the analogy. They did not 2109 01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:02.399 put hll COGD against Ultiate or against each other on 2110 01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:04.960 TV so ever, this time with an inconclusive finish to 2111 01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:08.479 get tease people for their Wrestlemanium match. Like, I think 2112 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.680 that's what Chris Rocker's getting at that this isn't just 2113 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:16.640 another match. This is a match that if WWE like said, 2114 01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.039 this is special, think about Charlotte's stature, think about Jade's 2115 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:25.000 or the egos the like I mean, just like sel 2116 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:27.079 the first time the bell rings in these tour opposite 2117 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:30.800 is seen a rock like make it that and it's 2118 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:32.840 it should have been summertimes. They were willing to do 2119 01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:35.720 this match six days later. There shouldn't have been a 2120 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:39.359 ladder match that that's just been a showcase match at 2121 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:42.640 Summer Simon. Instead, if if the ideas, we need to 2122 01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:44.600 get to it quickly and then do a conclusive finish. 2123 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.640 I that's that's what sucks, is they got they painted 2124 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.479 themselves into this corner that they feel like can't do 2125 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:53.600 clean finishes because that's the end of it. It's like 2126 01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:56.720 it doesn't have to be. You know, best of seven 2127 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.479 series in the NBA do not end after one game. 2128 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:01.119 Nobody goes, oh, it's over after it's one zero or 2129 01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:03.800 even two zero, like it's okay, Like no, it's a 2130 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:07.359 seven game series for a reason. Jay can beat Charlotte clean, 2131 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:10.720 and that becomes a sports story. What happened? How did 2132 01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:13.199 it happen? Can it be repeated? Was it a fluke? 2133 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:18.000 Did Charlotte have a mindset here? Like there are sports 2134 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:19.960 stories to tell, but you have to do clean finishes, 2135 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:23.720 not run ends constantly in distraction finishes, tell sports stories. 2136 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.119 And they could have done that here anyway. 2137 01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.760 And Charlotte's character, and that's why I wanted to go 2138 01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:31.880 back to Really Fast is Charlotte's I appreciate what they've 2139 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:34.920 done to make her characters seem a little more interesting. 2140 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:37.119 I've liked that part of it, like they made the 2141 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:39.520 fans have gotten behind her and that no granted that 2142 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:42.079 she was a star. They technically did, but they were 2143 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:44.239 not getting behind her, and when the Reea stuff happened, 2144 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:45.920 they were not. They wanted a boo her and so 2145 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.800 now they're behind her. They cheer her and that's cool. 2146 01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:50.760 So I like that, But I want her to be 2147 01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:52.880 more confident in what she's doing too. If she's gonna 2148 01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:54.800 be in the ring, be more confident what you're doing, 2149 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.319 have trust, and that it's gonna all work out. 2150 01:41:58.439 --> 01:41:59.840 Root Doog says, By the way, I think the dollar's 2151 01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:01.960 just brought back because of Paxley and her doll obsession. 2152 01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:04.439 I think so too. They need to in truce that 2153 01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:07.680 and SmackDown Cannon. You know, yeah, there's. 2154 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:10.600 People, there's time before there's no. 2155 01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:14.319 I'm not being critical. I'm just saying they need to Yeah. 2156 01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:16.399 Yeah, right, no. True. The last topic I was going 2157 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.079 to bring up, and I was curious what you guys 2158 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:20.119 thought about it was, you know, going to the Tag 2159 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:23.079 Team and Fatal Influence again. I love what Fatal Influence 2160 01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:25.439 is doing. I like them a lot. I liked again 2161 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.279 Jay C's on the mic was so good tonight. I 2162 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.159 is a you just want to do the heck out 2163 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.640 of her. It's awesome. I love it. And then the 2164 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:36.119 match was what it was. Of course, I'm not gonna 2165 01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.279 you know. It was not the greatest, but it was. 2166 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:38.600 It was. 2167 01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:38.960 It was. 2168 01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:40.720 I mean, it was passable, but it was just that's 2169 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:45.399 what it was. I I think Chelsea. I love that 2170 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:47.279 she got her moment at at SummerSlam. I thought it 2171 01:42:47.279 --> 01:42:49.640 was a cool moment. I was totally good with it. 2172 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:52.039 I thought it was the right move. But I don't 2173 01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:53.920 need Chelsea to have a long rain. That's not what 2174 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:56.800 she's there for. I think she's there to have Tiffany 2175 01:42:57.399 --> 01:42:59.840 them Tiffany's I think it's gonna lose to jac Jan 2176 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:01.760 Jacon needs to win the US title. I think that's 2177 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:03.800 a good start for her to start on the main roster, 2178 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:06.399 get a one A mid car title and build that up, 2179 01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:10.079 and then I think Tiffany again should turn on Chelsea. 2180 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:11.920 I think Tiffany should turn She needs to be a 2181 01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:16.319 heeled badly, badly, and I think it's gonna help people 2182 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:18.479 get behind Chelsea in that way. She might she'll lose 2183 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:20.159 the title, I think the Tiffany, but I think it's 2184 01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:23.079 okay because Tiffany I could have her with a title 2185 01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:25.520 as a heel because it fits into her character and 2186 01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:27.840 then when Ria gets back, that's fine. I don't like 2187 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.560 title switches like that, but I think that's a good 2188 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.680 way to do it because I think Chelsea got her moment, 2189 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.279 but she's not ready to be a long term champion 2190 01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:39.479 right now. She's not there yet. She can get there 2191 01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:41.760 maybe down the road. I'm not saying it's not impossible, 2192 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:44.079 but Tiffany needs to turn heel and that's how you 2193 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.039 would get there. But I wanted you to think of 2194 01:43:46.039 --> 01:43:48.319 what they've done with fatal influence Chelsea, all that, just 2195 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:50.000 going into that whole stuff. 2196 01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:53.399 Go ahead, Derek. 2197 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:57.439 So my I thought the match was fine. My only 2198 01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:00.479 misgiving about the match was in the planning, and that 2199 01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:03.760 is if I think we all all know that Tiffany's 2200 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:06.119 a lot more likely to turn on Chelsea than Chelsea's 2201 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:09.960 going to turn on Tiffany, right, And so then I 2202 01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:12.640 was like, well, why is Chelsea taking the heat and 2203 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.840 why was the hot tag and all the shine spots 2204 01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:18.760 given to Tiffany, And also why does Chelsea take the loss? 2205 01:44:19.239 --> 01:44:21.680 Because I think I know a lot of people support 2206 01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.600 Chelsea being champion. I'm not one of them because I 2207 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:27.520 think she's a valuable character on television. I don't like 2208 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:32.239 her as a credible champion because just that she lacks credibility. 2209 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:35.600 But if you're going to fix that, first of all, 2210 01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:38.680 her ringwork needs to be better to prove credibility, but 2211 01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:41.199 also the way that matches are set up can help 2212 01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:44.880 her build credibility. And giving her the hot tag and 2213 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.600 have all her nice moves and then tagging into Tiffany 2214 01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:51.079 and having Tiffany take the fall. First of all, that 2215 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:55.000 serves the purpose of Chelsea getting the shine right, and 2216 01:44:55.039 --> 01:44:57.840 then also it takes it where Tiffany's the one taking 2217 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.239 a loss who doesn't need to be protected. She's the 2218 01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:02.960 one who's gonna turn on Chelsea anyways. So the way 2219 01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:07.159 that was set up was confusing to me counter counterintuitive too. 2220 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:09.159 If you know that Chelsea is the one that the 2221 01:45:09.199 --> 01:45:11.840 fans supports, why not have her build up to the 2222 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:14.800 hot tag to her and let her shine because that's 2223 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:16.000 what he wants. 2224 01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:19.000 Yeah, and the theory is sad. I think the story 2225 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:20.520 is going to be that Chelsea's a week champion, so 2226 01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:22.399 that there's a huge target on her back, and I 2227 01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:28.279 don't mind that it's a unique story. So they're they're 2228 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:34.239 they're deciding to portray Chelsea as weak as a fluke 2229 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:40.279 interim champion, and maybe that turns into something I don't know, 2230 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:42.000 you know, I'm I don't I don't know. I don't 2231 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:43.520 have a vision for how to see it through. But 2232 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.720 it doesn't make sense otherwise, you know what I mean? 2233 01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:49.319 Like that, that seems like that. That is whether it 2234 01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:51.880 is a good decision that makes sense in a few 2235 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:55.079 weeks or not. I think that might be why, because 2236 01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:58.319 otherwise you're right there, why would you do it? Durelsea's 2237 01:45:58.319 --> 01:45:59.720 Tiffany needs to be a heal but she used to 2238 01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:01.560 before from any title because she needs to come back 2239 01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.720 from how bad she's been as a wrestling character. 2240 01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:09.000 Yeah, I mean a hill could fix that though, Yeah, 2241 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:11.680 oh absolutely absolutely. 2242 01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:15.319 And I'm interested, Like I think most people would agree, 2243 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:19.720 Tiffany has been a feled babyface. She was floundering, and 2244 01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:22.399 now it went from she was a floundering babyface to 2245 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.800 now I would say that she's a failure as a babyface. 2246 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:29.119 But the Hill run might be the thing that reinvigorates her. 2247 01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:32.319 And if you put her against Chelsea, that's like the 2248 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:35.520 perfect combination to give her real heat. Is if she 2249 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:39.079 turns on Chelsea, she's turning on her friend and then 2250 01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:42.880 all of those characteristics of her that kind of get 2251 01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:45.359 people not to like her. They are just going to 2252 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:49.279 have a flashlight shined on them and they're going to 2253 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:52.199 be highlighted with glitter. I mean, it's going to be 2254 01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:54.479 hard to ignore, and I think that may be the 2255 01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:57.359 best thing for it. It might reinvigorate a wrestling ability too, 2256 01:46:57.439 --> 01:46:59.920 because wrestling is a heel is a lot different as 2257 01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:01.279 wrestling a baby. 2258 01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:04.960 Wait, can I ask a question too? When they were 2259 01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:07.520 when Tiffany was kind of giving her not giving her 2260 01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:11.000 the light at the time of day, did I miss something? 2261 01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:14.760 Because they did all of a sudden become friends very quickly, 2262 01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:18.239 Like did I miss like where Tiffany really decided, Hey, 2263 01:47:18.279 --> 01:47:20.640 I want to be friends with Chelsea, like in storyline, 2264 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:21.840 did I miss something along? 2265 01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.439 I almost feel like you're you're asking a sarcastic joke 2266 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:28.439 question because you didn't miss You didn't miss anything. And 2267 01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:31.000 you know, when Hobbyer was on, He's like I asked him. 2268 01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:32.960 I said, I know, you just were catching up. So 2269 01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:36.399 we watched like six shows in four days. Gosh, did 2270 01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:39.600 you miss Was there something that I fast forwarded past 2271 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:42.199 or forgot about? He's like, nope, I watched. 2272 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:44.640 They should have told that story better. They should have 2273 01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:45.079 done a bet. 2274 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:50.560 They skipped that chapter there. There were so uh the 2275 01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:55.119 story tonight was Chelsea was very gracious to Tiffany and said, 2276 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:57.199 you know, you're a blonde bombshell of a best friend. 2277 01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:01.119 Tiffany came out in green said for what happened, you 2278 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:03.359 know what happened, but our friendship is stronger. You know, 2279 01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:05.720 just because I won, that doesn't have to be a problem. 2280 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:07.960 And she wanted to make a toast to a strong 2281 01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:10.800 female friendships. And then that's when Tiffany said, I actually 2282 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:12.439 wanted to talk to you about something, and then fatal 2283 01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:18.840 influence interrupted. So Tiffany is likely going to say I'm 2284 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:20.960 not at peace with it. I want a chance to 2285 01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:24.399 beat you for this title. And now does Chelsea go, 2286 01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:26.279 but I thought our friendship but you know, I don't know, 2287 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:29.520 like they have to maneuver that, navigate that in a 2288 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:31.840 way where they don't want to fight the headwinds. So 2289 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:34.319 Tiffany should be healed. Chelsea the babyface. So what is 2290 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:36.199 Tiffany gonna say and how is she going to say 2291 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:38.880 it so that fans don't think she has a good case, 2292 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:40.399 like Cody has a good case. She's going to remach 2293 01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:42.319 against Punk and Punk's cool with it. How are they 2294 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:44.640 going to make the case that Tiffany's a heel for 2295 01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:46.720 asking for it? And I don't know how they're gonna 2296 01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:48.640 do it, but I think they clearly showed that's the 2297 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:51.680 direction they're going. And Fatal Influence interrupted before we could 2298 01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:56.279 get what Tiffany wanted to ask her. Okay, Sean, go ahead, yeap, 2299 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:56.680 real quick. 2300 01:48:56.920 --> 01:48:58.439 Now let's say I want to get off. I just 2301 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.479 want to say I'll get in the chat. I'll probably 2302 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:02.439 miss a little bit of time with you guys because 2303 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:04.680 I got I'm gonna be going on vacation next week, 2304 01:49:04.720 --> 01:49:06.560 so I probably missed some shows, but it was just sad. 2305 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:08.960 But I'll keep up with them on YouTube. And but 2306 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:10.800 I love what you gotta go VI, I P I 2307 01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:12.960 love It's already been like a few years since you've 2308 01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:14.560 been on YouTube, which is crazy, by the way. I 2309 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:16.079 could not believe that when I went back and watching 2310 01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:19.720 the videos, like, hold, wow, it's been that long. But yeah, Derek, 2311 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:21.640 appreciate you. Always fun being on with you guys, And 2312 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:29.119 I'll get back in the chat. 2313 01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:31.399 I wanted Sean's reaction cut out. 2314 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:37.560 He hung up talking the show, talking the song, talk. 2315 01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:45.920 It is there, it is, I found it? All right, cool, 2316 01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:49.079 all right, Let's let's bring Durrell in and uh, and 2317 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:51.119 we'll after talk to We'll see if there's anything else 2318 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:52.199 we want to sneak in. 2319 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:53.560 Oh. 2320 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:55.600 Shut, but they're shut. I had no idea you were 2321 01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:57.399 gonna do that, Sean. I tried having you not hang up. 2322 01:49:57.439 --> 01:49:58.800 It's like, hold on, hold on, and you we're gone. 2323 01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:05.359 All right. Oh it's a banger, A good fella. Yes, 2324 01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:09.479 all right, Uh Darrell. Uh, we'll talk to Darrell and 2325 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:10.880 then Derek, you and I can see if there's any 2326 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.600 straight comments I want to make. Then we'll wrap up. Drew, welcome, 2327 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:14.199 good to talk here. 2328 01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:19.079 How y'all, how y'all doing tonight? Enjoying the conversation as usual. 2329 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:21.319 Darrell, do you want a song? 2330 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:22.560 Nope? 2331 01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:30.279 Really okay, okay, thank you though, but now I'm okay, Well. 2332 01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:33.000 I can't say you might not get one. I'm not. 2333 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.439 I won't have anything to do with it. I'm just saying, 2334 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:36.840 now that she said you don't want it, someone's got 2335 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:38.920 to suspike Drrell. I'm going to make a song for him. 2336 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:41.920 All right, go ahead, what's on your mind? 2337 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:45.159 You get back to what I was just talking about, 2338 01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:47.520 because this is a big part of what I want 2339 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.760 to talk about the reason why I said Tiffany should 2340 01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:54.039 be far away from the title, and I agree she 2341 01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:58.239 should be a heel, but the digression of her character 2342 01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:01.479 as a whole head had taken down even her n 2343 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.359 ring work. Remember when she first came in, Her n 2344 01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:07.600 ring work kept her while you were like, okay, they 2345 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.079 can keep her up there, even though at the time 2346 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:10.960 she was a heel. 2347 01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:12.199 But her hell. 2348 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:16.079 Character and her face character seemed unrealistic because she's still 2349 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:20.720 talk in that same Barbie type of way, all the 2350 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:23.880 same stuff that people gave Charlotte for years. 2351 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:26.720 She was even worse than Charlotte. 2352 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:30.079 Why do you have to keep bringing that up? 2353 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:33.600 Yes, and. 2354 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:37.359 I think she needs to go away from that main 2355 01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:39.199 have been seen because she's been there since she got 2356 01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:41.279 there and be grassed. 2357 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:44.039 So she can figure out how she wants to present 2358 01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:44.600 her character. 2359 01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:47.800 Maybe look at how she present herself on Twitch when 2360 01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:51.520 she's streaming and stuff like that. Something different just come around. 2361 01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:57.399 As tonight Charlotte and Jaye might had a bad match altogether, 2362 01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:00.760 but the earlier promo that Charlotte gave to me was 2363 01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:03.800 the best promo I've ever seen her give on the 2364 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:08.119 main roster, and that's because of how genuine she feels 2365 01:52:08.199 --> 01:52:11.119 now that people want to see her as a babyface 2366 01:52:11.800 --> 01:52:15.800 chasing a heel or chasing a title or chasing whatever. 2367 01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:18.640 And the things that she was saying before are now 2368 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:21.840 getting nowhere because she feels so genuine because of how 2369 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:22.439 she has. 2370 01:52:22.359 --> 01:52:23.960 Been with Alexa Bliss. 2371 01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:25.760 And I give a lot of that to how Alexa 2372 01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:28.359 Bliss softened her up too. That's why, like they put 2373 01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:30.800 Tatum Paton with it. When y'all hear me say that, 2374 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:35.199 do y'all agree? And I move on to something else, 2375 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:37.560 ask something else to this, I'll see all. 2376 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:42.079 I'm glad that you brought up Charlotte's promo because I 2377 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.920 felt the same thing. And then she did this, which 2378 01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:47.680 is one of my favorite promo styles too. She builds 2379 01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:51.199 up Jay, talks about how good she is or that 2380 01:52:51.279 --> 01:52:54.239 she's special, and then she makes it personal and turns 2381 01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.560 to the camera and then gives her partying line in 2382 01:52:56.600 --> 01:53:00.399 a very effective manner like thirty second promo. That's what 2383 01:53:00.439 --> 01:53:04.000 the teaching thirty second promo class. And so I thought 2384 01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:06.880 that was great. As for Tiffany having to slide down 2385 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:11.880 the card if she makes the heel turn. Part of 2386 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:14.560 me agrees with you, Darryl, because I don't think she's 2387 01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:18.039 earned a main event spot. But I think the heat 2388 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:23.239 when she turns on Chelsea could be so apparent that 2389 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:26.880 the momentum of it would deserve a main event spot. 2390 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:33.039 I would I I want her second from the top 2391 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:35.520 as a heel, but not the champion. I think there's 2392 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.880 I would. I would have the title be represented by 2393 01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.960 somebody who's not in a grudge feud, who's not doing 2394 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:43.960 a kind of performative character heel, who can't back it 2395 01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.479 up in other ways and rise the occasion too. Like 2396 01:53:47.520 --> 01:53:49.720 whatever Tiffany does when she turns on Chelsea and is 2397 01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:51.359 a heel, it's gonna make her character better because she's 2398 01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:54.159 a natural heel. But I don't know that she's somebody 2399 01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:56.960 that you want to be banking on to have those 2400 01:53:57.039 --> 01:54:00.159 matches that a champion should have, And I think are 2401 01:54:00.199 --> 01:54:02.880 just others who are better and I don't I mean, 2402 01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:06.760 it's just I don't know. I mean, I'm hypocritical sayings, 2403 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:08.159 but I don't know if she deserves it like she 2404 01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:10.560 just I'm waiting for a call from Hollywood. Like I 2405 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:14.920 don't give the title too Yeah, like invest in give 2406 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:17.119 the prestige of a tuititle run to somebody who's hungry 2407 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:19.880 and this is their this is their goal. 2408 01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:20.159 Now. 2409 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:22.439 I wouldn't have that view if I thought Tiffany would 2410 01:54:22.439 --> 01:54:24.880 sell tickets like as champion compared to just being a 2411 01:54:24.880 --> 01:54:26.840 second from the top heel. I think she makes as 2412 01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:28.800 much money for deb to be in DRASA much as 2413 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:32.039 she's a snotty heel who fans take joy in seeing 2414 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:35.319 her not become champion, and she takes out her frustrations 2415 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:37.239 on others and acts, you know, like she is better 2416 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:38.159 than everybody, but she's not. 2417 01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:45.159 Hey everyone, longtime PW Toeorge commist Sean raddickin here to 2418 01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:48.399 let you know I've rebamped and renewed their Atticant Worldwide 2419 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:53.199 podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week, 2420 01:54:53.319 --> 01:54:55.640 I break down four or five of the biggest trending 2421 01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:59.640 topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing 2422 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:02.560 insight that helps you understand the story better or see 2423 01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:05.640 it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 2424 01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:08.000 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 2425 01:55:08.039 --> 01:55:11.079 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 2426 01:55:11.079 --> 01:55:13.399 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 2427 01:55:13.399 --> 01:55:16.479 guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out 2428 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:19.560 a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have 2429 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:22.880 included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my 2430 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:25.640 areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I 2431 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:28.600 often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch, 2432 01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:32.399 his own, Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I 2433 01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:34.680 don't just cover the news. I don't just riff on 2434 01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:37.000 the news or give a standard hot take. I'll bring 2435 01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:39.760 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 2436 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.199 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show, 2437 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:46.640 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 2438 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.239 of why get ahead of the news, get ahead of 2439 01:55:49.279 --> 01:55:54.199 the pack with racking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP. 2440 01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:59.199 And I think a positive aspect of Tiffany, I'll say 2441 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:03.079 is and this is in defense of her underperforming for 2442 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.279 the last year and a half. I don't think she's 2443 01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:09.119 got very good opponents who fit style and who were 2444 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:13.760 able to compliment her style. Her best matches were against 2445 01:56:13.840 --> 01:56:17.640 Becky Lynch and NXT. Becky Lynch was one of those 2446 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.479 wrestlers who is going to make you better. And if 2447 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:23.000 I think if they turn Tiffany Hill, Rhea Ripley is 2448 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:25.680 one of those wrestlers who's gonna make you better. And 2449 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:29.079 a babyface Rhea Ripley against Tiffany I think is going 2450 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:32.520 to be a really strong match. A heel Tiffany against 2451 01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:36.079 a babyface EO Sky. I think that's a really exciting match. 2452 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:39.119 I think right now is wrestling a babyface. She hasn't 2453 01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:42.239 been put in there with heels who are who can 2454 01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:45.359 carry her to shining up the way that she needs 2455 01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:48.039 to be shined up to stand out. So she's been 2456 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:51.880 under she's been undercut by a weak division. Is in 2457 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:55.680 defense of her, go ahead now. 2458 01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:57.760 I'm glad that y'all brought up heat and I would 2459 01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:00.960 say one thing today, even though she could probably get 2460 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:04.279 back what's in the ring, But what's gonna immediately hurt 2461 01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:08.119 her is the character and what you have to present 2462 01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:11.079 yourself in the ring on the mic, just around the scene, 2463 01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:14.560 because you gotta think we're in WWE, They're not gonna 2464 01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:17.359 give them many matches, and they're not gonna allow her 2465 01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:20.840 to showcase the matches that probably could get her over, 2466 01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:22.359 but she don't have to talk. 2467 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:23.119 And do that much. 2468 01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:25.760 She's gonna have to carry some of that and that's 2469 01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:29.159 gonna hurt that and not getting the reaction that you 2470 01:57:29.199 --> 01:57:32.079 want from the crowd that you could just genuinely get 2471 01:57:32.279 --> 01:57:35.000 if she was just giving the ring time and show 2472 01:57:35.039 --> 01:57:37.239 people what she can do in the ring. Now going 2473 01:57:37.319 --> 01:57:39.600 to the heat that y'all was talking about this transition 2474 01:57:39.680 --> 01:57:43.479 to the next thing. I think right now, especially on SmackDown, 2475 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:46.319 said SmackDown seeming more like the storytelling show. 2476 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:47.399 They have an. 2477 01:57:47.319 --> 01:57:52.159 Opportunity to make at least four new women. They don't 2478 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:54.199 have to be brand new women fresh out of NXT, 2479 01:57:54.359 --> 01:57:57.279 but just new people. I think one of those spots 2480 01:57:57.520 --> 01:58:02.000 could potentially be Jade, because you have a Charlotte that's 2481 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:03.760 not just on the tail end. 2482 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:05.800 We can say that she on the tail end. 2483 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:08.239 You have no Nay on me, you have no Bianca 2484 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:10.079 and Ria just got hurt. 2485 01:58:10.399 --> 01:58:11.800 You can bring up. 2486 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:14.680 Four new people to get that spot. And I think 2487 01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:19.279 a person who you can use is Chelsea Greens, and 2488 01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:23.279 she's beloved and people are behind her and give her 2489 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:26.039 a month or so run where people been coming at 2490 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:28.279 her like she's an undeserving champion. 2491 01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:29.680 She's not serious. 2492 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:32.439 She we don't believe in her because I think it's 2493 01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:34.960 a character that can morphus out of that, because to me, 2494 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:38.760 she got a little bit of Mike Foldy Captains Jack 2495 01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.279 type of style in her when she feels like she's 2496 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:44.199 the Mickfolder character who Mick Folder was the fan of 2497 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:46.439 the wrestling and stuff like that, and you can make 2498 01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:49.239 it transition that in the to a Captains Jack type 2499 01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:53.159 of feel from ladies perspective that you haven't seen. But 2500 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:55.960 you would want that heat to go to somebody new, 2501 01:58:56.199 --> 01:59:00.000 like a jac Chaine or Blake Monroe or somebody else 2502 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:02.279 that you feel like that that you can pull it 2503 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:05.479 off of and get them a run with the title. Wow, 2504 01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:09.039 since they already building the division right now, it's circling 2505 01:59:09.159 --> 01:59:12.760 between Jay anyway that she carried most of the statements 2506 01:59:12.760 --> 01:59:13.279 as women. 2507 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:15.039 But how do y'all feel about that? 2508 01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:18.239 And who would be like three people outside j that 2509 01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:21.359 y'all will boost up to that? I think Blake Monroe's 2510 01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:26.039 and She's already have something with those two women, especially 2511 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:30.199 if she calls maybe tipping it to lose the title 2512 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:31.279 against Jason Jane. 2513 01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:34.760 That'll help Jason Jane move that title, and then you. 2514 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:38.479 Can build up a few and heat onto somebody like 2515 01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:40.079 her who could probably use it. 2516 01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:46.199 Derek, I want to be more of a fan of 2517 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:49.960 Blake Monroe than I am her NXT run. The best 2518 01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:53.199 way I could describe it is she fit in rather 2519 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:56.159 than standing out. I thought Jay C. Jane is a 2520 01:59:56.159 --> 02:00:00.560 lot better of a performer than Blake Monroe is, because, aw, 2521 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:03.279 the big thing is, they don't focus on the moments 2522 02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:05.520 between the moves, and so she would just kind of 2523 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:08.560 hit moves and then strike one or two poses. When 2524 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.159 she was purposely asked to slow down and take time 2525 02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:13.279 in between her spots and her moves. I don't think 2526 02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:16.520 she stood out nearly as much as I thought she would. 2527 02:00:17.239 --> 02:00:19.119 Not to say that when she doesn't get to the 2528 02:00:19.159 --> 02:00:22.239 main roster, when she's under a new director, with new 2529 02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:25.520 agents and producers, maybe they're able to find that thing 2530 02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:29.119 in to her that allows her to stand out more. 2531 02:00:29.239 --> 02:00:31.479 Because you'll notice this when she came in NXT, and 2532 02:00:31.520 --> 02:00:32.920 I know a lot of people are like, how could 2533 02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:36.000 you talk bad about Blake Monroe? She came in an 2534 02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:39.880 NXT and her level was this high every successive match 2535 02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:42.600 that she had, the heat behind her and the excitement 2536 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:46.760 for her lessened every time. Though she was given substantial 2537 02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:51.239 time on television to stand out, she didn't. Right, So 2538 02:00:51.720 --> 02:00:54.239 if I was given a choice on new people from 2539 02:00:54.279 --> 02:00:56.880 the roster, who would deserve a chance? I think J. C. 2540 02:00:57.039 --> 02:01:00.520 Jane has a lot more attributes that I think would 2541 02:01:00.520 --> 02:01:04.880 get over on television then pretty much anybody else who's 2542 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:07.600 fresh on SmackDown. So that would be my choice. 2543 02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:10.199 You Wade, Yeah. I mean when you look at what's 2544 02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:12.000 going on in NXT, and we had some check comments 2545 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:15.159 on it earlier, I don't have faith that in the 2546 02:01:15.279 --> 02:01:18.920 NXT environment, whoever's getting a push, whoever is having the 2547 02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:21.520 matches in that context, in that setting, that it's going 2548 02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:23.680 to be transferable in a way. I think so Ruka 2549 02:01:23.720 --> 02:01:26.479 is an extreme example because she's so acrobatic, but the 2550 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:28.840 fact that she got called up and others didn't, I 2551 02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:33.560 think is revealing and symptomatic of a mindset, which is 2552 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:35.720 we need women to look a certain way and wrestle 2553 02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:38.520 a certain way with high spots or flashiness, and I 2554 02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:42.920 don't have like great faith in a lot of them. 2555 02:01:42.920 --> 02:01:45.319 But like when you have Julia and Sephanie vakaer like 2556 02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:48.359 and you know, stuff just came back and Julia, there's 2557 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.560 people who are more well rounded. And I to me, like, 2558 02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:57.680 go with the proven wrestlers and try to repackage them 2559 02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:00.359 a little bit more than bring fresh face is up 2560 02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:02.439 for the sake of being fresh faces, because I don't 2561 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:04.760 know with the sample size of what I've seen in 2562 02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:07.439 an NXT and then what we're seeing about the people 2563 02:02:07.439 --> 02:02:10.920 who are called up. I mean, I don't have great 2564 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:13.119 like I should be able to rattle off a few 2565 02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:14.920 names to all that, and I'm like, oh, do that, 2566 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:16.800 but I'm going back to the names that I feel 2567 02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:19.279 have more experience and need to be repackaged. I bring 2568 02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:22.600 freaking Natalia back to have like before, I would push 2569 02:02:22.600 --> 02:02:24.359 some of these NXT wrestls who think it's all about 2570 02:02:24.359 --> 02:02:27.720 acrobatics and awkwardness until you get to your next dazzling spot. 2571 02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:31.920 There's a just a problem with the training and they're 2572 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:34.000 they're not going to bring people in from the outside 2573 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:35.960 very often anymore because they have their whole system set 2574 02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:38.600 up and there's not this robust indie scene and aw 2575 02:02:38.680 --> 02:02:42.039 has the portal to the international wrestlers who can go 2576 02:02:42.079 --> 02:02:43.840 and are more athletic and work a different styles. So 2577 02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:48.439 I mean the chat. You know, good fella, says Jordan Grace, 2578 02:02:48.520 --> 02:02:52.600 you need to figure out, you know, get Blake Pilar pieces. Yep, 2579 02:02:52.600 --> 02:02:54.479 get Blake in the ring and get her some wins. 2580 02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:58.880 I don't know. I don't have a great answer. 2581 02:02:59.800 --> 02:03:01.279 And I don't have a lot of I don't have 2582 02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:03.680 a lot of faith in Julia. In fact, when I've 2583 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:06.520 talked to people about Julia, they all say, well, she 2584 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:08.760 was great in Japan, and I was like, tell me 2585 02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:12.039 a match, give me some evidence, because what I've noticed 2586 02:03:12.079 --> 02:03:14.079 all about a lot of these people, they haven't actually 2587 02:03:14.119 --> 02:03:19.199 watched Julia matches. They've watched Julia highlight reels that was 2588 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:21.760 not having a match, and then they'll point to one 2589 02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:24.279 or two matches, and I was like, that's a different 2590 02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:27.920 context than what you see in WWE. And to their 2591 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:32.479 in WWE's defense of not pushing Julia, when she was 2592 02:03:32.520 --> 02:03:36.319 given more than five minutes on television, the crowd died. 2593 02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:40.319 And so if you're given seven minutes and the crowd dies, 2594 02:03:40.479 --> 02:03:43.760 they're not going to give you twelve next time. And 2595 02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:46.359 that's what they saw. They get made to the US champion. 2596 02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:48.119 They didn't give a lot of chances, but the few 2597 02:03:48.199 --> 02:03:51.359 chances she got she did not succeed. 2598 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:54.920 Kelly well to be co host in I think two 2599 02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:58.640 weeks on our SmackDown post show, and obviously he's the 2600 02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.960 guy to talk to in really to get into all 2601 02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:03.960 this stuff we're talking about about NXT style and the 2602 02:04:03.960 --> 02:04:05.680 call ups. By the way, Sealle version three, I put 2603 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:08.119 this on the screen. I think the flippy reputation of 2604 02:04:08.199 --> 02:04:10.159 NXT women is overstated. The only ones I can think 2605 02:04:10.199 --> 02:04:12.800 of our recently our Soul and Colonie Jordan. 2606 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:14.520 M M. 2607 02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:16.800 It's been more. 2608 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:19.479 I'll say JC rustles a different style and it's to 2609 02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:22.600 her benefit because it's not the flippy stuff. But what 2610 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:25.960 she does has impact. You know, that rolling forearm, she does, 2611 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:30.760 the pump kick. Basic stuff done well to me stands 2612 02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:34.640 out a lot more than flashy stuff that doesn't connect. Yep. 2613 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.680 Derek Mitchell says appears Julian and Jordan Grace both were 2614 02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:40.760 highly anticipated signings. In the sample size has been they've 2615 02:04:40.760 --> 02:04:42.680 been underwhelming in the sample size so far. 2616 02:04:43.399 --> 02:04:46.000 Julian only had one good mansion NXT that I thought 2617 02:04:46.039 --> 02:04:48.159 really stood out, and it was a four way where 2618 02:04:48.199 --> 02:04:50.960 you're just hitting moves. You hit a movie, and you 2619 02:04:50.960 --> 02:04:53.239 get out. And I think that was like the wrap 2620 02:04:53.279 --> 02:04:56.439 on Lash Legend two is when I asked people, like, 2621 02:04:56.640 --> 02:04:58.359 you know, what was the match that stood out at 2622 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:01.880 Lash Legend. They'll talk about the Elimination Chamber last year. 2623 02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:04.960 She just hit moves, she just hit spots, and then 2624 02:05:05.000 --> 02:05:08.239 they talk about these other big tag matches or multi 2625 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:10.520 man she did in n XT. That's just hitting your 2626 02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:14.199 best stuff. That's not that doesn't translate as a champion 2627 02:05:14.239 --> 02:05:15.239 in a seven minute match. 2628 02:05:15.760 --> 02:05:18.479 I would say this though I've watched NXC for a 2629 02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:23.439 long time. I even watched NXC UK Okay, I agree 2630 02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:27.239 with you wade those NXC. That's why I said anybody 2631 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:31.600 just somebody knew represented new because I felt like when 2632 02:05:31.680 --> 02:05:34.000 they went to the original two point oh scene and 2633 02:05:34.680 --> 02:05:38.199 Vince got heavily involved in it, and he sent Bruce 2634 02:05:38.279 --> 02:05:41.359 down there to do a lot, and I think Sean 2635 02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:46.640 in case, yeah, Sewn Michael's in. He just started going 2636 02:05:46.680 --> 02:05:49.439 along with that. He kept that into how he was 2637 02:05:49.479 --> 02:05:53.319 doing because at the time when they had him originally 2638 02:05:53.319 --> 02:05:55.399 started booking, he was booking n X t U K 2639 02:05:55.840 --> 02:05:58.159 and that was a much of the time of Guta's 2640 02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:01.239 reign into it your dragon off. That's when you had 2641 02:06:01.279 --> 02:06:05.840 those ilia and in Guntha matches that was high impact 2642 02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:07.600 and then they had great stories to go. 2643 02:06:07.600 --> 02:06:09.119 Along to him. And he done. 2644 02:06:09.479 --> 02:06:12.439 Since he took it over NXC, he's done totally different 2645 02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.119 and set the people up totally different. I think Last 2646 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:18.119 Legend has gotten better since she came to the main roster. 2647 02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:19.079 Julia. 2648 02:06:19.479 --> 02:06:22.840 I don't think she got the opportunity because they didn't 2649 02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:26.079 what Paul Haynen used to say, I'm ana hide your 2650 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:27.359 weaknesses and I'm gonna. 2651 02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:28.720 Highlight your what you're good at. 2652 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:35.159 They highlighted her weaknesses and didn't give off her what 2653 02:06:35.279 --> 02:06:37.880 she's good at because she has an aura. She had 2654 02:06:37.880 --> 02:06:40.359 an aura about it. The presentation and stuff like that. 2655 02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:44.800 They gave Stephanie the core more of that aura and 2656 02:06:44.840 --> 02:06:48.960 they allowed that to showcase more, especially the move and 2657 02:06:49.239 --> 02:06:51.960 that people liked and stuff like that, and that what 2658 02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:54.159 gave her opportunity to win over the crowd. 2659 02:06:54.600 --> 02:06:56.159 J C. Jane I like her. 2660 02:06:56.520 --> 02:06:59.239 I respect her, but like you know, like those big 2661 02:06:59.279 --> 02:07:02.880 box office movies that sell a lot week one, but 2662 02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:06.880 then they dropped like seventy percent after week one, so 2663 02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:10.680 they don't make that's what happened to her and her introduction, 2664 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:13.800 because even in NXT, she didn't get. 2665 02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:17.079 Over with the crowd because of sometimes how dry she is. 2666 02:07:17.279 --> 02:07:18.880 That's why I would love to see what they could do, 2667 02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:23.159 like giving a true opportunity with Jordan Grace or something 2668 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:25.960 like that, somebody and putting them up against people. That's 2669 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:28.840 why I said, maybe give a Blake Monroe because outside 2670 02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:31.279 of them, they didn't do well with her NXC. She 2671 02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:34.239 knows who her character is. She know who she is 2672 02:07:34.279 --> 02:07:36.760 as a person. So if you know, if you put 2673 02:07:36.760 --> 02:07:39.079 people up against a person who know who they are 2674 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:42.039 as a person, it helps the other person that you're 2675 02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:44.720 trying to bring along, and you give the crowd opportunity 2676 02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:46.720 to see who they like. And that's what they have 2677 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:48.880 been not been doing for the last year and a 2678 02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:52.680 half with the men nor women. Giving somebody that's what 2679 02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:55.079 you were talking about, Randy Orgon. He's telling you a 2680 02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:57.359 Randy Orton story that he been telling for twenty five 2681 02:07:57.439 --> 02:08:00.159 years now and not telling you a base care to 2682 02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:02.640 I'm a heel reindew or and I'm doing this in 2683 02:08:02.680 --> 02:08:06.600 my job to get old Cody, And that's what's hard 2684 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:08.079 with the women right now. 2685 02:08:10.399 --> 02:08:12.560 Yeah, I think an easy solve for it when you 2686 02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:15.399 talk about the transfer from NXT to the main roster 2687 02:08:15.600 --> 02:08:18.079 and a lot of these women are faltering. I think 2688 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.479 one of the issues is, especially when you're working with 2689 02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:25.159 people from scratch, they are at the mercy of listening 2690 02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:27.560 to an agent and getting comfortable with an agent to 2691 02:08:27.600 --> 02:08:30.600 put together their matches. So they have these agents that 2692 02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:33.159 are really comfortable with an NXT who put all their 2693 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:36.760 stuff together, and they're comfortable with the talent, and the 2694 02:08:36.760 --> 02:08:39.479 talent's comfortable with them, and then they get a transfer 2695 02:08:39.479 --> 02:08:42.039 to the main roster where they're working with different agents 2696 02:08:42.399 --> 02:08:47.359 at a different speed, with a different time allocation to 2697 02:08:47.399 --> 02:08:49.720 what they're doing. And that I think is where it's 2698 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:51.720 falling apart. 2699 02:08:52.319 --> 02:08:55.960 What about and I've been thinking about this lately. In it, 2700 02:08:56.239 --> 02:08:57.800 I don't think so many pop are just going to 2701 02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:00.479 discount it without in actually being executed with somebody who 2702 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:02.800 has a vision for how to do it right. But 2703 02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:06.279 this was us I think created by an email last 2704 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:11.800 week about aw and what about squash matches. Let's get 2705 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:15.119 women who really can work, They really can take bumps 2706 02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:18.520 the ring, They know where to be, They're in the 2707 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:20.079 right place at the right time, they get timing and 2708 02:09:20.079 --> 02:09:23.359 they're the jobbers. Go to the indie scene, bring some 2709 02:09:23.399 --> 02:09:25.359 people back who you didn't think you could market well, 2710 02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:28.920 but they can work, and get them in the ring 2711 02:09:29.239 --> 02:09:32.199 on television and people, well, no one to watch. That's 2712 02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:34.840 not true. I just don't buy that. People like ring entrances, 2713 02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:37.800 they like larger live personalities, they like signature moves that work, 2714 02:09:38.319 --> 02:09:40.279 and by the way, they like seeing people take bumps, 2715 02:09:40.640 --> 02:09:44.399 and they like short matches. People like short matches. It's 2716 02:09:44.479 --> 02:09:47.119 an instant gratification. I get to see a ring entrance 2717 02:09:47.159 --> 02:09:50.680 someone I love, their signature moves get established. The announcers 2718 02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:53.359 have a few talking points. You don't do the thirty 2719 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:55.239 second or one and a half minute one. You actually 2720 02:09:55.600 --> 02:09:57.560 tell a little bit of a story. You go three 2721 02:09:57.680 --> 02:10:00.159 or four minutes, no commercial break. So format wise, it's 2722 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:01.399 a little bit of a challenge because of the way 2723 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:03.720 that they're kind of stuck in their format of double 2724 02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:07.319 box breaks. But I think getting women who can really 2725 02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:08.960 work for good hands in the ring and giving these 2726 02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:13.039 women who you believe are marketable a chance to work 2727 02:10:13.079 --> 02:10:16.000 with them, even just for that three four minutes, it 2728 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:18.560 serves multiple purposes. One, you just have a chance to 2729 02:10:18.680 --> 02:10:21.159 these women stand out who they are and what they do, 2730 02:10:21.359 --> 02:10:23.319 because there's so many there's so many sort of semi 2731 02:10:23.319 --> 02:10:26.520 interchangeable looking women now who get called up and they 2732 02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:28.319 sort of have a gimmick. It feels sort of performative, 2733 02:10:28.359 --> 02:10:30.680 and then it doesn't really establish itself before it's thrown 2734 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:34.920 right into a story like we saw tonight. So I 2735 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:36.479 don't know what, Derek, what do you think about that? 2736 02:10:38.039 --> 02:10:40.239 I like the idea, and I don't think you actually 2737 02:10:40.319 --> 02:10:42.279 need to get jobbers. I think you have women on 2738 02:10:42.319 --> 02:10:44.640 your roster who if they're expected to do a match 2739 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:46.640 that's three and four minutes and take good bombs, that 2740 02:10:46.680 --> 02:10:47.680 should be their job. 2741 02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:48.880 Kind of what Julia does. 2742 02:10:49.279 --> 02:10:52.560 Yeah, well ib Nile like Ivy Nile on television. 2743 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:54.960 Well, let me be clear. 2744 02:10:55.319 --> 02:10:57.279 Let me be clear. When I say jobbers, I mean 2745 02:10:57.720 --> 02:11:00.279 women who who they put a lot of effort into 2746 02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:02.800 training or they never hired because they say they don't 2747 02:11:02.800 --> 02:11:05.439 have the right look, and but you don't want them 2748 02:11:05.479 --> 02:11:06.880 to be I mean part of it is a job 2749 02:11:06.920 --> 02:11:11.439 or should be semipathetic or not super flashy, but really 2750 02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:14.600 good at taking bumps. And if you get a handful 2751 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:18.960 of them just like you, they get an introduct They 2752 02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:21.600 don't get a ring introduction. You know they're gonna lose. 2753 02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:23.199 And once a while you tell the one, two three, 2754 02:11:23.239 --> 02:11:27.399 good story, whatever, beer hurt, sorry, whatever, but you can. 2755 02:11:27.560 --> 02:11:29.359 You can use people around the roster. But they just 2756 02:11:29.439 --> 02:11:32.000 always loose, you know, they just always lose. I mean, 2757 02:11:32.359 --> 02:11:35.880 but give reps to women, let them establish. But the 2758 02:11:35.960 --> 02:11:38.119 point is is there's a there's a different structure to 2759 02:11:38.159 --> 02:11:39.800 a matter. You're trying to be even steepened with somebody 2760 02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:42.560 who's also getting a push and they're protecting. And the 2761 02:11:42.600 --> 02:11:45.000 flow of that is you do your spots. Now it's 2762 02:11:45.039 --> 02:11:46.640 my turn. You do your spots, and it's my turn. 2763 02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:48.520 You try to fit in the flashy moves, make it 2764 02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:50.279 more of a one way street. One person's job is 2765 02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:52.439 to take bumps for you, maybe get a hope spot 2766 02:11:52.439 --> 02:11:54.520 in if they're if they're a babyface, and then but 2767 02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:56.399 you get to do your moves, but in a flow 2768 02:11:56.439 --> 02:11:59.439 with somebody who's a good hand, who has though, who's 2769 02:11:59.479 --> 02:12:01.920 given up on pushing to the top. But you shouldn't 2770 02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:03.600 discard them because they have ten And I don't know 2771 02:12:03.640 --> 02:12:05.239 who those would be right off the top of my head, but. 2772 02:12:05.439 --> 02:12:08.720 What I can name a few that's like that's Candas Larray, 2773 02:12:09.119 --> 02:12:13.479 that's Ivy Nile, yep, And there's probably more than the 2774 02:12:14.239 --> 02:12:19.000 even what was Keana James when she's not doing anything. 2775 02:12:19.520 --> 02:12:23.159 And also like when I was training down in Arizona, 2776 02:12:23.359 --> 02:12:26.560 they had what they called the jobber match, and there 2777 02:12:26.600 --> 02:12:28.319 was days in training because a lot of those guys 2778 02:12:28.319 --> 02:12:30.000 in Arizona, they were the guys who would do the 2779 02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:33.760 TV matches for WWF Shotgun back in the day. And 2780 02:12:33.800 --> 02:12:36.279 the jobber match was like this very simple format and 2781 02:12:36.319 --> 02:12:39.000 if you watch it, it's like completely the same every time. 2782 02:12:39.239 --> 02:12:41.399 The jobber has one hope spot, which was either like 2783 02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:43.840 a drop kicker, a job breaker goes up to the 2784 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:45.880 top rope and if it's a more than three minutes, 2785 02:12:45.920 --> 02:12:48.560 you get a crossbody off the top roun they kick 2786 02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:50.920 out and then they hit the finish and it's over right, 2787 02:12:51.479 --> 02:12:54.520 And that was for the babyface who's jobbing to a heel. 2788 02:12:55.159 --> 02:12:57.479 But I think like with Candas Larra or Ivy Nile, 2789 02:12:57.960 --> 02:12:59.800 you pick like the one or two moves that they 2790 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:02.880 get to do, and everything else is one way traffic 2791 02:13:03.199 --> 02:13:05.439 where they get beaten. It's it's meant to highlight the 2792 02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:08.279 one person you add that drop kick or that whatever 2793 02:13:08.399 --> 02:13:10.720 in siguri or whatever, just to give a little bit 2794 02:13:10.760 --> 02:13:12.920 of hope and then you cut it off and you 2795 02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:15.960 take it home. And I think what they would be 2796 02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:19.079 surprised at is by doing those style of matches, the 2797 02:13:19.119 --> 02:13:21.600 person who is doing the job, they get to be 2798 02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:24.279 a good bumper, They get to be a good bump 2799 02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:27.439 and feeder their offense. They make their offense matter because 2800 02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:29.479 there's very little of it, and they get a lot better, 2801 02:13:29.520 --> 02:13:30.119 a lot faster. 2802 02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:33.640 Yeah, it's hard to do an off the radar and 2803 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:35.720 then come back and be credible also, so it kind 2804 02:13:35.760 --> 02:13:38.560 of it almost has to be people you've given up 2805 02:13:38.600 --> 02:13:43.159 on as the baseline acceptance of their role. 2806 02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:45.800 But I think like Ivy Nile is a good example 2807 02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:48.079 because she's just stuck in my head her against Lash, 2808 02:13:48.119 --> 02:13:51.159 where she gets one move or two moves, I don't 2809 02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:54.720 think like barries her any lower than she is now. Yep, right, 2810 02:13:55.119 --> 02:13:58.359 that's like that's not going to hurt her. In fact, 2811 02:13:58.399 --> 02:14:00.359 I think people would see like the one move you got, 2812 02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:01.880 and she's like, oh Ivy showed fight. 2813 02:14:02.479 --> 02:14:04.760 You know, tonight's show would have benefited from another match, 2814 02:14:04.800 --> 02:14:06.279 no matter how short. Like I mean, it's just like 2815 02:14:06.279 --> 02:14:07.760 I was thinking of people who paid tonight or did 2816 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:10.680 they get dark matches like there wasn't a lot on that. 2817 02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:14.560 Yeah, and wrestling fans, I think we need to call 2818 02:14:14.560 --> 02:14:17.359 ourselves on the carpet when we see those matches. Stop 2819 02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.880 like saying this person got jobbed out, like Julia loses 2820 02:14:20.920 --> 02:14:23.520 in three minutes and like this massive crime. I'm like, 2821 02:14:23.520 --> 02:14:25.520 would you rather not be on TV for four or 2822 02:14:25.520 --> 02:14:26.119 five weeks? 2823 02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:31.000 You know, factually speaking, she has sort of become a jobber, 2824 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:34.119 but they don't have a spot. That's respect, that's that 2825 02:14:34.279 --> 02:14:37.680 serves a purpose because if you lose quickly, it's you're 2826 02:14:37.680 --> 02:14:39.600 being buried, as opposed to if you lose quickly it's 2827 02:14:39.640 --> 02:14:42.439 because your opponent was better than you. But you're a regular. 2828 02:14:42.479 --> 02:14:44.199 And that's part of our format, that's part of the 2829 02:14:44.199 --> 02:14:46.399 cadence of how we how we build characters and tell stories. 2830 02:14:48.319 --> 02:14:50.279 iPhone users, if you're listening to us on the Native 2831 02:14:50.319 --> 02:14:54.039 podcast app on your iPhone, you can unlock our commercial 2832 02:14:54.079 --> 02:14:57.880 free versions of our free shows by searching PW Torch 2833 02:14:58.199 --> 02:15:00.600 in Apple Podcasts. You'll see a charcoal Great logo that 2834 02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:03.000 says PW Torch vip on it. 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Enjoy a streamline listening experience 2842 02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:27.199 to our free shows and unlock all the VIP exclusives, 2843 02:15:27.239 --> 02:15:29.520 including our post pay per view roundtables, the Wade Keller 2844 02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:32.600 news bulletins, Everything with Rich and Wade, The Fix that 2845 02:15:32.680 --> 02:15:35.039 I host with Todd Martin, and a variety of other 2846 02:15:35.199 --> 02:15:38.960 VIP exclusives. Just search pw Torch in your Apple podcast app. 2847 02:15:40.560 --> 02:15:44.359 There's also this, instead of looking out for people's feelings, 2848 02:15:44.920 --> 02:15:48.279 is lash Legend and Julia in an eight minute match 2849 02:15:48.319 --> 02:15:50.800 that's meant to get lash over? Is it more likely 2850 02:15:50.880 --> 02:15:53.439 to be successful in eight minutes or three and a 2851 02:15:53.479 --> 02:15:57.079 half minutes? The answer is easy, three and a half minutes, 2852 02:15:57.439 --> 02:16:00.880 So screw somebody's feelings. Do what is meant to accomplish 2853 02:16:00.960 --> 02:16:01.960 the goals. 2854 02:16:02.039 --> 02:16:04.840 Or put somebody different in there who is just there 2855 02:16:04.840 --> 02:16:05.520 to lose. 2856 02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:07.840 Who you can trust, who you can trust? 2857 02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:12.399 Exactly, yes, exactly, what about the standardiation says, so many 2858 02:16:12.479 --> 02:16:14.600 NXTU breasts as stand the same way pots with the camera, 2859 02:16:14.640 --> 02:16:17.079 the same exact thing, gole, wait the same amount of time, 2860 02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:19.920 and then and then their head and spile and their 2861 02:16:19.960 --> 02:16:21.760 head and spile in the same way, and then suddenly 2862 02:16:21.760 --> 02:16:24.399 turn away and go back to their opponent. Yes, I mean, 2863 02:16:24.399 --> 02:16:25.319 there's such a reason. 2864 02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:29.319 But to standard Deviation's point to add on to that, 2865 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:34.040 you practice that enough where it does look unnatural too, 2866 02:16:34.079 --> 02:16:37.920 when you start feeling it, it comes natural because all 2867 02:16:37.959 --> 02:16:40.879 those gots like Javon Evans is a great example. Now 2868 02:16:40.920 --> 02:16:43.760 he's got this great authentic fire up. You know how 2869 02:16:43.760 --> 02:16:46.280 many times that guy was told probably to fire up 2870 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:48.680 in these ways and it just looks silly and stupid. 2871 02:16:49.159 --> 02:16:51.639 Now what you can tell the difference in it. He's 2872 02:16:51.719 --> 02:16:55.159 practiced it and now it's coming natural and he's feeling it. 2873 02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:58.799 So initially it's like bron Breaker is a great example. 2874 02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:02.840 What is the biggest difference to when Brown Breaker debuted 2875 02:17:02.840 --> 02:17:05.399 in NXT two point zero. When he would hit his move, 2876 02:17:05.440 --> 02:17:07.799 he would turn to the camera and he'd be like 2877 02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:11.639 Rah and it looks it looked like so performative that 2878 02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:14.200 now when he like Nail's Joe Hendry and he pops 2879 02:17:14.239 --> 02:17:16.399 up and he goes crazy, it feels like when a 2880 02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:20.000 linebacker sacks the quarterback and gets excited. It's like to 2881 02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:21.760 the point where it became natural. 2882 02:17:21.959 --> 02:17:24.520 Yeah, and and but you don't want to look like 2883 02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:26.920 there's this There is a code written into the video 2884 02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:29.959 game where you drop in a signature move and then 2885 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:32.520 the drop in the lightness of the wrestler, but the 2886 02:17:32.559 --> 02:17:34.879 motion is the same. If you're looking up from above 2887 02:17:34.920 --> 02:17:36.239 down at it. There's a move in the ring and 2888 02:17:36.319 --> 02:17:38.440 you can see them as Sanitivation says turn to the 2889 02:17:38.479 --> 02:17:41.120 camera and ah do their thing, and then they turn 2890 02:17:41.239 --> 02:17:44.200 back and it almost looks like it is part of 2891 02:17:44.319 --> 02:17:47.239 actual code in a video game rather than a human 2892 02:17:47.280 --> 02:17:50.920 being just interacting naturally. And there's there's so much of 2893 02:17:50.959 --> 02:17:53.719 what that that they're doing. There's you know, the same 2894 02:17:53.959 --> 02:17:55.840 it's always to the opposite side of the announcers that 2895 02:17:55.879 --> 02:17:58.600 you do the dives. Now you've got the timekeepers area 2896 02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:00.920 where you do those spots. There's never I want things 2897 02:18:00.920 --> 02:18:03.040 to look a little more awkward, like I want there 2898 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:05.920 to be like something where the hard camera can't really 2899 02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.520 see what's happening. Like I was like a little bit 2900 02:18:08.559 --> 02:18:10.280 more of a sense of chaos and less polish I. 2901 02:18:10.360 --> 02:18:11.840 You know, we see in w W in Real last 2902 02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:14.120 year how proud they are of you know, they did 2903 02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:18.680 it mostly the humiliate Chris Park but and manufactured something 2904 02:18:18.680 --> 02:18:22.280 that wasn't really a big deal, but they're so proud 2905 02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:25.000 of how meticulous it is. And it just feels antiseptic 2906 02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:28.079 and planned out and and I know that, Oh but 2907 02:18:28.159 --> 02:18:31.840 we have TV accues to hit and a network to form, 2908 02:18:31.879 --> 02:18:33.360 you know, fitted it within a format and all that, 2909 02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:35.159 but it's like there is a way to do things 2910 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:39.040 that doesn't doesn't feel like it's just programmed code and 2911 02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:40.879 and so much of that is the problem that we're 2912 02:18:40.879 --> 02:18:43.760 seeing in annextinos. These wrestlers haven't been on the indie scene, 2913 02:18:43.959 --> 02:18:47.399 just working, working, like you say, naturally reacting to a 2914 02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:50.520 crowd without a hard time cueue, and they're scared to 2915 02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:53.879 go over, you know, they're scared, let me not go over, 2916 02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:55.680 like when they're scared to go over their time. They're 2917 02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:59.399 scared to deviate from exactly what needs to be done, 2918 02:18:59.600 --> 02:19:02.559 and everybody's on edge about it, and there's no natural flow. 2919 02:19:02.559 --> 02:19:04.680 There should be more pliability and flexibility. Easy for me 2920 02:19:04.719 --> 02:19:06.440 to say because I'm not trying to get make sure 2921 02:19:06.440 --> 02:19:08.680 the main event segment doesn't get all the time it needs. 2922 02:19:08.719 --> 02:19:12.159 But it's gone too far and I would pull back, Derek. 2923 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:14.239 But I think within those timeframes. And you see this 2924 02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:18.040 development in wrestlers as well. Initially, what you're doing is 2925 02:19:18.040 --> 02:19:21.159 you're just doing it, and then you start actually doing it, 2926 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:24.719 but you're performing, and then you're not only performing, you're 2927 02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:29.159 feeling the performance and matt range from doing to performing 2928 02:19:29.559 --> 02:19:33.680 to feeling. Some guys never get to that feeling mode. 2929 02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:36.559 A lot of people don't ever get to that feeling mode. 2930 02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:39.760 But if you get another enough reps under your belt 2931 02:19:41.000 --> 02:19:44.159 and you reflect on the performances you had, that's when 2932 02:19:44.200 --> 02:19:47.479 you get to that next level. But sometimes reflection requires 2933 02:19:47.920 --> 02:19:50.680 a coach or someone who's telling you, how'd you feel 2934 02:19:50.719 --> 02:19:54.440 about that? What did you feel when you hit that move? 2935 02:19:54.479 --> 02:19:56.760 When did you feel the crowd come up? When did 2936 02:19:56.840 --> 02:19:59.319 you feel the crowd start to come down? But just 2937 02:19:59.399 --> 02:20:02.559 asking those questions and have somebody think about it, that's 2938 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:05.319 when you start actually becoming a master of the crowd. 2939 02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:07.559 That's what Steve Auston always talked about it's like we 2940 02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:10.959 need just like house show matches where there's no you're 2941 02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:12.680 just you're feeling it. You're acting in the crowd, you're 2942 02:20:12.680 --> 02:20:15.200 calling an audible, you're you're calling it in the ring. 2943 02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:17.280 There's a structure to the beginning, there's a couple of 2944 02:20:17.399 --> 02:20:21.319 key points in the match, there's the finish, but just 2945 02:20:21.319 --> 02:20:25.399 just go dance to the music that's playing and. 2946 02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:26.280 And and what you know what's sad is the only 2947 02:20:26.319 --> 02:20:28.840 guys who are allowed to do that nowadays are the 2948 02:20:28.879 --> 02:20:30.680 guys who are at the main event level. 2949 02:20:31.079 --> 02:20:33.600 Who who are self indulgent. 2950 02:20:34.159 --> 02:20:37.120 Well, not only are they self indulgent, but they know 2951 02:20:37.200 --> 02:20:40.520 how to do it already, so they're just yeah, they're 2952 02:20:40.520 --> 02:20:43.239 practicing a skill they've honed. And I even think some 2953 02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:45.479 of them, like I noticed this in Seth Rollins and 2954 02:20:45.559 --> 02:20:50.479 Roman Reigns. They got to this extremely high point and 2955 02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:53.639 then that the crowd actually came down. It's like they 2956 02:20:53.719 --> 02:20:56.159 lost the crowd right there. And you know that how 2957 02:20:56.200 --> 02:20:59.920 long Seth Rollins is rustled. He realized that that moment 2958 02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:03.200 should have they should have sped it up right after 2959 02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:05.760 that because they actually lost the crowd. Now they brought 2960 02:21:05.799 --> 02:21:07.879 them back. The last thing you want to do when 2961 02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:10.639 you're climbing up a hill is to allow yourself to 2962 02:21:10.639 --> 02:21:13.479 lose your footing and start slipping back down. You want 2963 02:21:13.479 --> 02:21:16.120 to continue that momentum up the hill. But those are 2964 02:21:16.120 --> 02:21:18.639 the guys who've done it so long. They probably realize 2965 02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:21.920 that because they felt it, and they're given the opportunity 2966 02:21:21.959 --> 02:21:25.239 to feel it, not someone to tell you, well, this 2967 02:21:25.319 --> 02:21:27.000 is how you feel or this is what you do. 2968 02:21:27.200 --> 02:21:29.239 You think about what a teenager. When a teenager learns 2969 02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:31.200 to drive, like everything, Oh my god, I got to 2970 02:21:31.200 --> 02:21:32.639 think about how to break I gotta think about the 2971 02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:35.040 gear what there's a turn signal, there's a review and 2972 02:21:35.079 --> 02:21:37.760 all that, and like eventually you just you don't even 2973 02:21:37.879 --> 02:21:40.280 I mean, you should be cognizant that you're driving, but 2974 02:21:40.600 --> 02:21:44.040 things just flow. Things are natural, and you're not thinking 2975 02:21:44.120 --> 02:21:46.520 about where's the gear shift, which way I move? What, 2976 02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:50.280 where's the churn signal versus winshield wiper like in wrestler ever, 2977 02:21:50.479 --> 02:21:53.159 so much of what we see feels like a kid 2978 02:21:53.799 --> 02:21:57.479 learning to drive. Yeah, yeah, they're just overthinking it, all right. 2979 02:21:57.520 --> 02:21:59.120 I want to wrap up pretty quick here, Drell. I 2980 02:21:59.120 --> 02:22:01.760 know we did a lot of talking there gone way 2981 02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:06.000 over my time. I hope for plan for It's been 2982 02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:08.840 good conversation. I'm not I'm not thising that, but let's 2983 02:22:09.000 --> 02:22:10.879 I want to keep it kind of short next time. 2984 02:22:10.959 --> 02:22:13.040 Let's instead of you saying I'll take me on last, 2985 02:22:13.040 --> 02:22:14.559 we'll put you on first, so we don't feel like 2986 02:22:14.600 --> 02:22:15.200 a rushing yet. 2987 02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:16.719 Are you cool? 2988 02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:20.159 Hey, I take it last. I stay on and watch 2989 02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:21.000 the whole show anyway. 2990 02:22:21.040 --> 02:22:21.440 That's cool. 2991 02:22:21.639 --> 02:22:23.319 And that's who's the thing that I wanted to talk 2992 02:22:23.319 --> 02:22:25.399 about the most. So hearing y'all talk about it, okay, 2993 02:22:25.440 --> 02:22:27.559 and that was good to do. 2994 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:28.239 So nothing else. 2995 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:30.760 Oh last thing will be just this to add on 2996 02:22:30.799 --> 02:22:34.000 to what you was saying. I think Cannie Ray why 2997 02:22:34.040 --> 02:22:36.399 she can't be like a Joba to the stars and 2998 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:39.920 like top of the mid Card. Now she did that 2999 02:22:40.040 --> 02:22:43.319 and helped EO character develop an NXT when she was 3000 02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:47.000 that person, And why can't some jobs be a story 3001 02:22:47.040 --> 02:22:49.079 that they Finnah tell with that person. That's what I 3002 02:22:49.079 --> 02:22:51.000 felt with Julia, that could have been the story that 3003 02:22:51.040 --> 02:22:53.559 he told and just use that online to add to 3004 02:22:53.600 --> 02:22:54.920 that character, because that's. 3005 02:22:54.760 --> 02:22:56.639 Somebody that you could use and maybe need. 3006 02:22:56.760 --> 02:23:00.479 So stop saying everybody getting jobbed out to be a 3007 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:01.399 story to be told. 3008 02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:06.239 Yeah, don't you said as a derisive pejorative. Yeah, it's 3009 02:23:06.280 --> 02:23:09.000 just like you're not being It's just it's a role 3010 02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:14.239 that you're playing that's valuable. It's like, yeah, cool, broal, thanks. 3011 02:23:14.360 --> 02:23:17.520 All right, joha, good night, Yeah, thanks. 3012 02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:23.120 Derek. Anything else from tonight show? You definitely like court 3013 02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:27.520 Baron Corbin Trick Williams. What are you seeing in these two? 3014 02:23:27.559 --> 02:23:29.440 A veteran against a new guy from NXT. How does 3015 02:23:29.440 --> 02:23:30.840 this play into our conversation about the women. 3016 02:23:32.000 --> 02:23:34.280 I thought it was a better match than they had 3017 02:23:34.280 --> 02:23:39.159 at SummerSlam because it didn't have the Yaudi interference. And 3018 02:23:39.239 --> 02:23:41.159 I think with the success of this match, which I 3019 02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:44.440 did think was successful for these reasons, a lot of people, 3020 02:23:44.479 --> 02:23:46.559 I think, measure success by how many moves they hit 3021 02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:48.680 or how many high spots they hit. But if you 3022 02:23:48.799 --> 02:23:51.319 notice by the end of the match that crowd was 3023 02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:56.600 solely behind Trick and avidly against Baron, yep, that was effective. 3024 02:23:56.920 --> 02:23:59.280 And you know what helped is airing a video before 3025 02:23:59.319 --> 02:24:02.520 the match where Trick said the only reason he has 3026 02:24:02.559 --> 02:24:05.520 the titles because he cheated and took shortcuts. Yeah, like, 3027 02:24:05.719 --> 02:24:08.719 when that's not whining and complaining that's a baby face 3028 02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:12.120 calling out a heel for walking around with the title 3029 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:15.040 that he doesn't deserve, and a cocky heel who should 3030 02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:17.200 be called out on that. That helps set the foundation 3031 02:24:17.319 --> 02:24:20.959 get fans permission to boo the new guy who's back. 3032 02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:23.239 I mean, a parent Corbin's easy to boo. But Trick 3033 02:24:24.000 --> 02:24:25.840 gave people a reason a rally behind him because he 3034 02:24:25.879 --> 02:24:27.680 got wronged instead of just acting like, well, it's no 3035 02:24:27.680 --> 02:24:29.319 big deal. Didn't you know that? That's just the way 3036 02:24:29.319 --> 02:24:29.920 it works. 3037 02:24:30.200 --> 02:24:34.479 And it was fifteen seconds yep, and more than worth 3038 02:24:34.520 --> 02:24:34.920 the time. 3039 02:24:35.280 --> 02:24:35.799 Ye well. 3040 02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:38.079 I thought that was a good and effective match. My 3041 02:24:38.200 --> 02:24:41.040 only misgivings about it, which I think is still an 3042 02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:44.040 issue with Trick, is you saw twice in the match 3043 02:24:44.040 --> 02:24:46.399 where I think Trick is starting to get to the 3044 02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:48.719 point where when he fires up, he is definitely in 3045 02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:51.319 that phase where he's like in the post phase where 3046 02:24:51.319 --> 02:24:54.079 it's like, oh, this is when I pose in the corner, right, Yep, 3047 02:24:54.239 --> 02:24:56.639 it's starting to come a little more natural. I do 3048 02:24:56.719 --> 02:24:58.840 think he's starting to lose the crowd during the heat, 3049 02:24:59.159 --> 02:25:02.360 and because I watched the international feed on Netflix, they 3050 02:25:02.360 --> 02:25:05.399 show you what's happening during the commercial break, and so 3051 02:25:05.479 --> 02:25:07.360 a lot of times that's the heel just putting heat 3052 02:25:07.399 --> 02:25:10.479 on the baby face, where it's the babyface's job to 3053 02:25:10.600 --> 02:25:14.920 continue to fight back so the fans have something to watch, right, 3054 02:25:15.479 --> 02:25:17.440 And there was two times, I think one actually happened 3055 02:25:17.440 --> 02:25:19.799 after the commercial where Baron brings him up and he's 3056 02:25:19.840 --> 02:25:21.280 got him in the clench, where he's got him at 3057 02:25:21.280 --> 02:25:22.879 the back of the head, and you can tell he 3058 02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:26.520 tells at him fight back, and trick like pauses for 3059 02:25:26.639 --> 02:25:29.360 like a second and a half and then like gently 3060 02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:32.040 moves his hands away and then fires back with a 3061 02:25:32.079 --> 02:25:36.319 few lackluster punches. So I think that's like his next 3062 02:25:36.360 --> 02:25:39.120 step is a babyface. It's whoever his coach is. When 3063 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:42.959 that hill says, fire back, you break their hands, you strike, 3064 02:25:43.319 --> 02:25:46.079 fans start coming alive. You strike, fans come alive a 3065 02:25:46.079 --> 02:25:48.000 little more, you hit the ropes, you get cut off. 3066 02:25:48.239 --> 02:25:50.799 It gives those hand the fans the hope where you 3067 02:25:50.799 --> 02:25:53.120 don't have to do anything in those three minutes because 3068 02:25:53.120 --> 02:25:55.639 you gave them a reason to stay in your match, 3069 02:25:55.959 --> 02:25:57.799 And I think that's where he needs to improve. But 3070 02:25:57.840 --> 02:26:01.000 I think Baron Corbin is the right guy when it 3071 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:04.239 comes to size, when it comes to his character to 3072 02:26:04.319 --> 02:26:07.120 get Trick better at those things that he's lacking right now. 3073 02:26:07.399 --> 02:26:10.799 So even though they might need might not be blowaway matches, 3074 02:26:11.200 --> 02:26:13.239 I do think this is a good matchup for Trick. 3075 02:26:14.319 --> 02:26:16.440 I have a super chat from Derek. I don't think 3076 02:26:16.440 --> 02:26:18.120 I got to so let's get this in here. Derek, 3077 02:26:18.200 --> 02:26:20.719 thank you again for generosity in the super chat. I've 3078 02:26:20.719 --> 02:26:23.200 compared Julia's trajectory to w b's attempt to build the 3079 02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:25.680 lightweight division around the Great Saska in nineteen ninety seven, 3080 02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:27.840 much like how that experiment didn't pan out led to 3081 02:26:27.879 --> 02:26:32.520 the company shifting focus to Tako Mitchenoku. Derek, you're not 3082 02:26:32.559 --> 02:26:34.040 in Yeah. 3083 02:26:34.360 --> 02:26:37.600 I remember the Great Sacega match where I thought it 3084 02:26:37.680 --> 02:26:41.120 was awesome and the crowd was silent, And there was 3085 02:26:41.159 --> 02:26:43.520 one I think it was at the Canadian Stampede pay 3086 02:26:43.520 --> 02:26:45.520 per view where I was like, oh, yeah, this to 3087 02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:47.559 me is great, but the crowd does not care. 3088 02:26:48.000 --> 02:26:52.239 Yeah, I mean it is about crowd reactions. I mean, 3089 02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:54.040 but you know, and then w B leans into that 3090 02:26:54.040 --> 02:26:57.760 two hearts of time, it's doing cinema. It's like, well, yeah, 3091 02:26:57.760 --> 02:26:59.719 but it's still okay to like pick up the pace 3092 02:26:59.760 --> 02:27:02.479 and stile and curate your match length down a little bit, 3093 02:27:02.520 --> 02:27:06.120 just out of courtesy and keeping like you said, keep 3094 02:27:06.159 --> 02:27:09.120 the momentum, you know, take away the spots where you 3095 02:27:09.159 --> 02:27:12.799 lose that. Sammy Zana was great tonight and we talked 3096 02:27:12.799 --> 02:27:14.680 a little bit about him, but just want to say 3097 02:27:14.680 --> 02:27:19.040 the interaction with him in Ko his delivery, you know, 3098 02:27:19.760 --> 02:27:22.959 welcome back. No one's happier than me that you're back. 3099 02:27:23.040 --> 02:27:26.000 But I do want you to acknowledge it's a hundred 3100 02:27:26.079 --> 02:27:30.120 percent you screwed me, one hundred percent. You're you're a 3101 02:27:30.159 --> 02:27:33.280 number condemticial, came at my expense. But if you acknowledge it, 3102 02:27:33.280 --> 02:27:36.239 we can move on. Then Kao acknowledges it. And then 3103 02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:38.799 Sammy goes, well you've acknowledged it, but did you say 3104 02:27:38.840 --> 02:27:41.000 you're sorry? Like it can't like it moves the goal 3105 02:27:41.040 --> 02:27:44.200 post a little bit, and and then Kao goes, I'm 3106 02:27:44.239 --> 02:27:47.959 sorry that it affected you that way. And so he 3107 02:27:48.040 --> 02:27:49.959 was a little clever with it with his wording too. 3108 02:27:50.399 --> 02:27:52.639 I just love the way. I love the way Sammy 3109 02:27:52.719 --> 02:27:55.639 talks with his hands. Yes, I think it gets you 3110 02:27:55.719 --> 02:27:57.920 to pay so much more attention to him. I went 3111 02:27:57.959 --> 02:28:00.559 to Italy two summers ago, and you know, the stereo 3112 02:28:00.639 --> 02:28:04.079 type of Italians talking with their hands. And then we 3113 02:28:04.159 --> 02:28:06.719 have these tour guides and they were like all over 3114 02:28:06.760 --> 02:28:09.399 the place with their hands everywhere we went, and I 3115 02:28:09.479 --> 02:28:11.319 just thought, as a high school teacher, I need to 3116 02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:13.319 talk more with my hands because students will pay more 3117 02:28:13.360 --> 02:28:16.559 attention to me, and so like, purposely the last two 3118 02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:19.959 years I've tried to use more hand gestures when I talk, 3119 02:28:20.200 --> 02:28:23.200 and Sammy saying, I'm like, like him, that's what I 3120 02:28:23.280 --> 02:28:24.319 need to do, right. 3121 02:28:24.239 --> 02:28:28.280 Like, yep, cool, All right, I could go on, but 3122 02:28:28.719 --> 02:28:30.040 we'll end there. Derek, thanks so much. 3123 02:28:30.520 --> 02:28:35.479 Really, I always appreciate it. Sorry about my dogs interrupting, 3124 02:28:35.520 --> 02:28:38.159 but that was great. 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