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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I'm Dana Valley coming at you

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without my co host Grant Hughes this time, but I'm

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super excited to be joined by a first time guest. Mister.

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Yosi Goslin of The Third Apron has absolutely been crushing

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just all his coverage, but this all season. Specifically, the

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graphics you put out of every team's cap situation helps

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idiots like me keep track of everything in real time,

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so we super appreciate those resources. Go check him out.

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His links will be after this in the podcast and

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YouTube descriptions where you can go follow him on all

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the socials and subscribe to The Third Apron. Yosi, how

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the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, getting ready for Vegas. Be there

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tomorrow for a whole week. Other than that, pretty good.

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Speaker 1: How long do you try and last in Vegas for

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Summer League? Are you someone who's there for like over

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a week?

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Speaker 2: I'm like Summer League aside, I live in La so

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I've been to Vegas. I can't countless of times. Nowadays,

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I don't like to do more than two nights. So yeah,

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we'll see how this would be a new pr for me.

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Speaker 1: I feel that in my bones, I don't know, Like

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three nights in Vegas feels like the max for me.

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If the people who go there for the entire summer league,

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I don't I think they shave years off their life

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would be my guess. If they're staying there the entire

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two weeks or whatever it ends up being.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to enjoy the extra curriculars there,

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Like I don't really I don't like the gamble, don't

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really care for the nightlife. So it's like just strictly business.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you have about forty minutes here, so

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as we get started, I wanted to This is the

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question that's been just it's not bugging at me, but

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the one that I thought the most about. Is NBA

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free agency going to make a comeback at any point

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in the sense of where we see bigger names change

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teams more frequently or is and I'm just looking at

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the Heat, the Whizzards, the Lakers, the Clippers seeming to

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have these like twenty twenty six or more so twenty

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twenty seven cap space plans. Is that just about prioritizing

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flexibility in general for other stuff they could do, or

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do you see free agency becoming at any point more

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of what it used to be, like I guess a

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half decade or so ago.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think it'll make occasional comebacks. I just can't

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say when. I think teams are eventually going to start

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to push back on extending players all the time. Where

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after COVID, the salary cap froze, so players can then

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make as much money and an extension than free agency

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for the time being, and now they change the rules

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where you can get more in an extension. So on

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one hand, you think, okay, well, now players are never

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going to hit free agency if they could just secure

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the money, now, why not do that? And that's been

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the trend. But the flip side of that is that

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eventually I think teams will start to get a little

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more burned on these extensions because bunch are a risky

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for the risk here for the team. When you're a player,

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you're securing them money like some money. Now in the

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end you they're usually more favorable to the player. I

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think because the team has to make a bed years

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in advance that there this player is going to maintain

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a certain level of production in the future, where when

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you get the free agency you're literally at the final

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end of that player's You know you've made it through

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the very end of that player's evaluation window where you

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have a better chance of giving him a more favorable deal.

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I think we're still seeing a lot of questionable contracts,

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and that's putting in nicely being put out. Like Devin Booker,

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I don't understand the rush to do it. I don't

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have a problem with like him getting the max. It

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just he has three years left on his contract. He

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just started this contract that he's currently on. Why what

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is the rush? What are you getting ahead of by

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giving him max dollars three years in advance for his

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age thirty two and thirty three season. Why not we

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like two more years at least before you consider extending him.

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See how he holds up. And then on the other side,

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he got like Herb Jones, he just signed his extension.

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I think there's some good arguments that he probably should have.

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like he signed this two years in advance. So maybe

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Herb and his camp feel like, well, maybe the offense

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isn't ever really gonna come around to the point where

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he's gonna get anything close to like the mckill bridges

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or out O Janinobi type money, or maybe he they

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have an indication that cap space won't be available enough

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for them for where a team might like spend a

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lot more money. So he maybe he sacrificed some money,

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but I don't know, I don't know how much. Like

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some money now, but like probably would have risked not

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making too much more. So so yeah, back to your question,

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I think teams just eventually need to realize that the

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two things need to happen. One, that these extensions are

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just not that great for them and that they should

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try letting more players hit the open market to get

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a better value. But then also I think things need

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to align where potentially twenty twenty seven might be a

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cap space year because Giannis could opt out. Jokic would

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technically expire if he doesn't extend by then, so that

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that also needs to happen. But we'll see if that

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aligns for twenty twenty seven, if not, maybe another year.

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about the extensions of like a Herb

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Jones type player specifically, do you think that him and

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his camp does it? Are they looking at what this

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summer's market maybe was, and seeing how few teams have

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had cap space and maybe how little actions happened in

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free agency over the recent pass and saying, well, that's

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why we want to lock in these longer term dollars now,

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and like they do have the flexibility that player option

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for him. But it seems like at one point I

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felt like it was like kind of the stars that

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were just signing these extensions because their capped at what

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they could make anyway, and they could force trades. But

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now it feels like it's becoming a little more commonplace

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to extend the non stars. And I'm just wondering if

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I've looked at Herb Jones's deal, was like, yeah, he

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left money on the table, Like that's someone who in

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free agency I would expect, just his archetype of player

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teams would always be interested in two years down the line,

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the lower cap increase forecast where it went from ten

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percent to now it's seven percent in twenty six twenty seven,

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and I know a lot of people are now basing

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a lot of what they're doing off that seven percent.

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non stars are operating when it comes to their financial security.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another factor that could be motivating players to

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extend now. Like I said, if the earlier a player extends,

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usually the more favorable for the player, because I like

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just locking in money now without really having to show

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if you're going to hold it up in like a

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year for at least another.

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Speaker 1: Year or two.

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Speaker 2: With with HERB I maybe, yeah, could the cap space

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now rising could play into it because in a sense,

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if he gets you know, one, if the cap doesn't

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go up and he kind of stagnates or no guarantee

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that extension is still on the table. I think it

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probably is. But then if the cap stagnates as well,

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then there isn't there's no there's less of a chance

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that there might even be caps like enough cap space

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teams when by the time he's set to hit the

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open markets. So I think they're looking at a lot

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of things. But maybe also he and his camp have

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an idea of like, hey, like you know, uh, maybe

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you're you're not going to be you know, you're not

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gonna be the kind of player who develops enough offensively

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where you're gonna get like, oh, gen and Obi mhill

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Bridges type money. Maybe you could get closer to Jada

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McDaniel's money as a free agent, but that's not too

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much more than what this extension is. So in this case,

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like it's understandable to lock this up. Now.

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Speaker 1: Do you look at any of the teams that I

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think have been mentioned the most, or maybe there's one

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that you've just seen their cap sheet and are kind

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of monitoring as, Oh, they're kind of really banking on

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year X free agency class doing something for them. Or

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the Clippers, is it more about that flexibility or maybe

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that you know, you look at their timeline the Clippers,

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it's just everybody's getting older. That's a good time for

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maybe a reset. Is there any team that kind of

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stands out as they seem to be investing a lot

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in like free agency becoming a thing again, or that

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cap flexibility maybe getting them more than we've seen in

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years past.

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked too deeply, but definitely Lakers and Clippers

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are trying to position themselves for cap space. It seems

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like the Clippers, definitely for next year they're going to

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have max cap space next year only like Luca and

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the Aaron Fox if they don't extend, would probably be

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the top free agents. Maybe Trey Young. We'll see who

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becomes available. The Lakers twenty twenty seven sounds like they're

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trying to get Yannis. So it just we haven't seen

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this kind of alignment since twenty nineteen for particular stars,

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and a lot of it depends on these players not

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signing any extensions ahead of time, which would which hasn't

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been the trend. So we'll and ultimately I think these

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teams could only get these stars with like the player

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kind of like facilitating stuff now, where Daron Fox essentially

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let the Kinks know, Hey, I'm not extending and if

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I'm a free agent in twenty twenty six, I'm going

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to sign with the Spurs trade me there Now. I

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think I feel like nowadays some of that might be

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necessary because teams ideally like would like to get ahead

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of their player hitting free agency and get something for

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him if he's gonna leap.

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Speaker 1: Does it also have more to do bad as I'm

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listing those teams like three of them Miami, and they

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did eat into their projected cap space a little bit

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by giving Daveiell Mitchell to guaranteed years. But Miami Los

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Angeles is this still more of like a market thing

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where it's like, oh, you're not going to see like

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they're not on the horizon. But Washington like they're not

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going into this thinking, oh, like maybe we could poach

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Lebron James next summer now that he's going to be

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a free agent. So there's a lot of it's still

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just these are the teams that if anyone's gonna benefit

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from like having this flexibility, it's going to be these

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types of markets that can bank on those types of transactions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lakers, Clippers, Heat historically have benefited from having uh

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from from like Chase, They've they've successfully chased stars with

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cap space, where yeah, teams like the Wizards, there's just

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their books are just lining up. I don't think they

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really care about having cap space next year. If anything,

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then might end up doing trades where like they have

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big expirings like Middleton McCollum, smart, I wouldn't be surprised

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if they traded them for players that are going to

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be under contract next year, and I think they'll probably

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still have cap space. But I think it's just more

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a coincidence that they have all these expiring contracts. I

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think they'll be they'll try to be proactive now to

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get as much value, as much picks as they can

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between now and through next reagency.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is only a question that I have and

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we've talked about in this podcast a little bit. Do

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we read anything into the situation with Damian Lillard where

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he gets waved in stretch? I know Joannis is a

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special case, but now we're seeing potentially something similar with

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Bradby Beal if he gets a buy out and then

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gets waved in stretch. Could that become more of a

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trend where teams are more comfortable just having these massive

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amounts of dead cap hits on their books. Or is

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this sort of going to be a relic of We're

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at the beginning of this era of aprons and teams

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are now recalibraing in the face of that, and they'll

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you know, reorient their books for the longer term more

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cleanly after this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's mostly a result of, like for the Suns,

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for example, just bad management and trading all their draft picks,

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not having anything left to trade, already, having too much money,

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too many bad contracts, not be not being able to

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move off those. So if they do it with Beal,

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that's mostly a result. Same thing with the Bucks, I think.

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I don't think they've a lot. They've been very leverage,

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trading almost all their pick throughout the years. They've had

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a lot of bad money. Now like their books got cleaner,

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and then this opportunity for Miles Turner came along, which

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I don't think he's good enough it's worth doing this,

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but they did it anyway. So I think it's mostly

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a result of a combination of not having any assets

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to trade and having a lot of bad money. So

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when I look around the league, like, well, who's a

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team that could potentially be in this situation next? Maybe

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the Sixers. They have Embiid with four years left on

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his contract, Paul George for three years left on his contract.

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They're making max money, Like odds are one of these

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guys are just not gonna work out. At least one

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of these guys are not gonna work out. So what

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if in a year from now they missed the playoffs again,

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they need to they decide it's over. You're probably not

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gonna get the flexibility by trading both those guys, you

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might have to consider stretching one of those guys. So,

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now that we're seeing the Bucks and the potentially the

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Suns test the fullest limits of the stretch provision, which

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has never been done quite at this level, maybe we'll

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start well, we'll probably start to see more teams do it.

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But they have to have that those bad, those deadly combinations.

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Speaker 1: As someone who's so into the weeds from a cat perspective,

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when you look at the Yanna situation, where it seems

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similar to they're not as well positioned as Oklahoma City

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with Kevin Durant. But okay, see followed his tenure until

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the end. They said, until the wheels fall off, Like

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if he leaves, he leaves. Do you like, I understand

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why the Bucks are going that route, and I've said,

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just given their assets right now, I can't imagine trading

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Giannis unless he pushes for it, because otherwise, what's the

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point where do you land on that whole type of

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discussion knowing, Okay, now they've done this to get Miles Turner.

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When you look at just they don't control their own

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first and till twenty thirty one, just from that front

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office perspective, how do you view that type of It

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feels like they're delaying me inevitable situation.

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Speaker 2: Basically, it's tough because you can't just trade gi Honest.

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We've seen what happened when the MAVs, for example, traded

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their franchise player. Now, I do think it's a little

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different because there was no warning, like you didn't there

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was no rumors that Luca might be available. MAVs fans

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didn't have time to even like mentally divorce, if that

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makes sense, where like Bucks fans have been going through

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this for so long that if Jannis finally requested a trade,

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like they'd understand there wouldn't be some sudden rug pool.

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But yeah, you still need to you know, you still

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for like the sake of just future moves, having goodwill

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with the stars, showing other stars how how you treat

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them to attract potentially more in the future. Yeah, you

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can't just trade you, honest. I'd be very curious to

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know like what exactly ownership values, because for them to

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approve this stretch and then sign Miles Turner feels like

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they value keeping Yannis for as long as possible and

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they don't necessarily care too much about how the highest like,

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what are the highest end outcomes? Maybe they you know,

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in their view, this is a championship contender. Well I disagree,

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So that's what it seems like they ultimately, if you

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as long as the honest wants to be there, they're

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gonna write it out. Maybe there's people in management who

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deep down would just already want to trade the honest

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and get as much value as possible before it's too late.

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But it's Yeah, it's a very delicate situation. But I

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do think if ultimately they wanted to move on, they

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could communicate that in a way that would be fine

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and not upset ruffle any feathers.

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Speaker 1: What have you made of how the aprons being intact

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have affected just the way that teams transact. I've seen

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a lot of X players have been hurt by this,

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whether it's role players, mid end players, and a bench players.

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I've seen. It does feel like it's made the trade

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market wonky because everyone's trying to figure out, like, well,

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how do we not take back more money than we

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send out? Because if we're trying to be good, we

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don't want to be hard tapped necessarily at the first apron.

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Do you see like of the main criticisms that are

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out there. Is there one that you think is legitimate,

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or is there fallacies out there that we need to

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sort of course correct on, or is there even anything

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flying under the radar in terms of how the way

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that the CBA is set up has impacted the way

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that teams are transacting now, there is.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a lot there's a lot more restrictions now. But

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I think the term second apron just become this buzzword

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where people just like to say it without really fully

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understanding what it means. Where being above the second apron

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isn't necessarily something that it's penalties alone is going to

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cripple a team. It's more so the maybe like the

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new tax system which no one ever wants to talk

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about that now it's even more expensive the deeper you go.

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So technically, if you are in the second apron, that

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means you're really deep in the tax which means you've

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hit a bunch of multipliers with your tax payments. And

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that's like something that might be potentially getting teams who

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used to spend so much money, like the Clippers nets Warriors,

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maybe thinking maybe having second thoughts about how deep they

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want to go but they mostly just add restrictions to

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how you're building the team. So I think with these

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all these restrictions being implemented, where are seeing teams kind

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of resetting their books, taking a step back, but then

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eventually being a position to spend a lot of money

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for a certain amount of time, like the thunder about

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to they're gonna. I think they'll continue with this most

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of this team for like the end of the decade.

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I think their position to do that ownership showing a

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willingness to spend. They have all the draft ass enough

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draft picks to start replacing players at the bottom, Like

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if you if they want us try to avoid the

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second Apron one of these years, you're not gonna. They're

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not gonna. It's not gonna be by trading their top

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three guys. That's gonna gonna start the bottom. They're gonna

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start with like Wiggins and Joe. Maybe they draft their

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replacements eventually got to pay case on Wallace, Okay, we'll

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trade Alex Crusso, so they've got other ways to balance

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all this. I think a lot of what we're saying

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with some players not getting as much money as they

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maybe deserve. I just think this is mostly a result

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of bad decisions from teams in the past five years,

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like too many extensions, too many players like, and then

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too many like undeserving max extensions, guys like Zach Lavine

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Bradley be I think that these guys eating up a

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bunch of a team's cap is probably taking away money

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over these past few years from certain from certain players.

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I think there's also there's another there's a bunch of

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things like but I think it's mostly from just decisions

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that have already been made that's leading up to this now,

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like you know. And then there's like market forces that

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are not exactly under the NBA's control. Uh, the salary

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cap only went up three percent last year. That's gonna

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impact the market, but it'll impact players more so when

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their teams have been on a spending spree just extending players,

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signing certain players to max is that probably don't deserve it,

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and the and then what else. There's one other thing then,

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like you know, guards, for example, the most saturated, oversaturated position.

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Most teams are set at guard. I think that's what's

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playing into guys like Norman Powell, that he'd be able

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to get him for just Kyle Anderson and Kevin Love.

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The Clippers had to trade a second round pick with

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Powell to get John Collins. The Jazz had to trade

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con Sexton with the second round pick to get use

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of Nurkic.

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Speaker 1: So the sc.

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Speaker 2: Positional scarcity, that's another thing, but it's mostly impacting guards

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right now, and there's like a pretty decent amount of

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NBA talent level talented guards who are available right now

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will probably just get the minimum.

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Speaker 1: My favorite, because you mentioned the Colin Sexton trade, my

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favorite NBA conspiracy theory that I've now heard a bunch

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is that the Jazz made that trade with the Hornets

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to prevent them from trading down so that Utah could

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still get Ace Bailey because Washington would have wanted to

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trade up to get him. I hope that's true because

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it feels like a very well thought out conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: So I think wasn't that after the draft?

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Speaker 1: They are, well, it could have been in place. I'm

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sure teams, I know they never talk about deals that

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get push through afterwards, but do you think that we've

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already kind of seen the limit of how long teams

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will spend time in the second apron just because even

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throw the tax penalties out the window. Just the idea

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of like your draft pick getting frozen and then the

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penalties that but like get getting moved to the end

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of the round. After that, I thought the Celtics were

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going to be sort of our test for well, how

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long are teams willing to go into the second apron

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and stay there? But then now they get out of it.

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I don't know if they would have stayed in it

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because of the Tatum injury. It's out Brad Stevens made

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a team like they wouldn't have. But do you think

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we've already kind of seen the limits of how long

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teams would be willing to spend there? Or is that

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is there another team you look at and say, well,

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maybe they'll be the limit or it is just we

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don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: I think it's too early to tell. But based on

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how the those drift frozen draft pick things work, it's

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it's basically there's two things that can influence that, the

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frozen draft pick versus and then eventually once you're in

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the second apron long enough, then you get the first

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round pick dropping to the end of the first round.

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But then also there's entering the repeater tax, where once

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you're in the repeater tax, and three of your previous

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four seasons you pay the higher rates. So those kind

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of coincide because Yeah, basically I believe also when you're

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in the repeater tax for three and four seasons, then

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the first pick that got frozen, that eventually drops to

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the end of the first round. So there's a way

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to time how you'd go about the second apron where

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you kind of like the thunder. I think they're gonna

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so they'll be under the tax this year right now,

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based on how things are looking, they're projected to be

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over the second apron for twenty six to twenty seven,

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but they could figure out a way to get below it.

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There's a lot of Yesterday when the extensions were announced

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for Chad and Jalen, there were a lot of discussion

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and my mentions on how they people think the Thunder

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are gonna go about getting below it. Like a lot

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of people think they'll just let Isaiah Hardenstein go, a

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lot of people think they might let lou Dort go.

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I don't necessarily see it quite that I could. I

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would guess they start even further at the bottom because

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if the thunder repeat again, I think they're gonna want

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to keep Doordan Hardenstein. Maybe you trade Caruso because then

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you gotta, like I mentioned earlier, Cason Wallace, it's time

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to pay him. Maybe you trade Wiggins and Jalen William

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j will By then I'm sorry enough Joe and Wiggins

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by then, so then you and maybe you've drafted their replacements,

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like maybe aj mitchell is. He might even be ready

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to take over for Joe's role this year. Honestly, that

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could make trading so uh yeah, I think they'll try

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to stay below sake in Apron one more year, and

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then after that maybe you just because then Asga's extension

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will kick in, there's not gonna be any avoiding the

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second Apron. So twenty seven and twenty twenty nine, I

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would guess they just spend as much as possible to

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get over the second Apron. After that, Okay, maybe they

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consider taking a step back, resetting their books a bit.

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But keep in mind, the thunder have all the draft picks.

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There's the case that they're immune to those draft pick penalties.

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What's a first round pick in twenty thirty six dropping

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to the end of the first round. How much does

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that hurt them when they still have at least two

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draft picks in every single draft. So that's the thing

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the Thunder might be like very uniquely position to not

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to just blow over the second apron for as long

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as they want.

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Speaker 1: That's where Sam Presty's tendency to trade those picks like

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for more distant picks and continuing maybe making that trend

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to where it says you're mentioning like if a pick

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gets frozen out in twenty thirty six, like they just

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might have a way to have acquired a pick in

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that draft already that has higher value than their own pick.

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And so that's where what they've done, it's not just

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accumulating the assets, but their ability to kind of maintain

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the flexibility of turning them into different kinds of assets

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where like getting creative about like they actually traded away

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a first round pick to get what could be a

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higher value swap. That might be why they're set up

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to And so I liked that you because I saw

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00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,519
a lot of oh, this is like a one or

479
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:32,079
two year thing for them, and then they're gonna have

480
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,559
to blow it up. And I'll never rule anything out

481
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,680
because the NBA, like when the NBA windows are just

482
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,640
fleeting now, even when you think they're not, Like they're

483
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920
just fleeting for some reason. But they more so than

484
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,519
any of their team. It's like, I don't know, like

485
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,519
the next three or four years, like this just might

486
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,759
be a like their core just might be already in place,

487
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,960
and not only they prepare to pay for it, but

488
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,519
they're built to kind of weather any of the at

489
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,720
least like the functional penalties. We could talk. Whether their

490
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,119
ownership wants to pay deep into the tax is a

491
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,559
different story, but they're definitely built to kind of navigate

492
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,839
all those transactional and functional limitations that come with being

493
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:04,720
in the second apron.

494
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that secondary draft pick market, Yeah, they're always

495
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,480
trying to get the best value picks, like project what

496
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
draft picks from other teams they think could be something

497
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,599
that hits, because they've done really well getting draft picks.

498
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,240
A day, they had a pick from the Heat that

499
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,799
was almost the lottery pick. In next year, what do

500
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,079
they have a Sixers pick? Maybe that's like middle of

501
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,759
the first round. So every year they just have like

502
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,440
a pretty nice pick on their hands and maybe like

503
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:43,799
for example, they have a Nuggets pick in twenty twenty seven,

504
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,759
I believe Yeah.

505
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,279
Speaker 1: They have one of theirs in twenty twenty nine too.

506
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,480
The Nuggets, I feel like you shave them picks like candy.

507
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: So maybe now you're thinking, well, maybe we can figure

508
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,759
out a way to start doing something with those, maybe

509
00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:01,039
get different picks because the Nuggets, they he went ahead

510
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,480
and Swapporter Junior for Cam Johnson, which saves a lot

511
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,559
of money, and that can buy a couple more years

512
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,480
because that can let them have a deeper team. So

513
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480
when you factor in things like that, they're always going

514
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,039
to be then are always gonna be proactive, trying to

515
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,640
not just have as many picks as possible, but try

516
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,920
to have the best, most valuable picks they possibly could.

517
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,279
Speaker 1: This could somewhat apply to the Thunder moving forward, but

518
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:27,759
you also kind of mentioned this before. Do you think that,

519
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,759
especially when you were mentioning some of these holdover deals

520
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,119
like Zach Lavine's contract, I think is the one that

521
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,319
people point towards the most. Do you see a trend

522
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,759
where the bar forgetting a max contract, whether it's coming

523
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,440
off your rookie deal or you know, I was looking

524
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,519
at Jaron Jackson Junior as kind of the case study

525
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,519
this year is I'll reinterested to see if he in

526
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:47,640
the renegotiating extent, if he gets you know, add or

527
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,960
near the max of what he could have gotten in

528
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,680
free agency. He basically did. So I'm kind of looking

529
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,839
at the Trey Young extension eligibility to where it's do

530
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,759
they not sign him to one? Does he get less

531
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,960
than the max? But do you see like maybe in

532
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,000
another world or if years down the line, Chet Holmes

533
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,119
Grin wouldn't have been a no brainer max extension candidate,

534
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,000
But just knowing what the second apron, and again for me,

535
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,279
it's those tax penalties you mentioned, is like, yeah, those

536
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,119
are huge for ownership, but for me, it's more about

537
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,079
the functional limitations that comes with being in the second

538
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,160
apron for so long. Do you think we reach a

539
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,799
point or are we getting there where the bar to

540
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,519
get a MAX contract is just higher than it is

541
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:22,039
right now?

542
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,039
Speaker 2: So I think now with those restrictions, it's going to

543
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,880
force teams to negotiate a little more. I don't think

544
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,079
anybody really expects tre Young to get a full max contract,

545
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,599
maybe just something a little bit less. I don't know

546
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,599
exactly what that might entail, but yeah, I think they're

547
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,240
going to maybe instead of giving him like sixty million

548
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200
a year, maybe try to get him at like fifth

549
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,240
maybe it's fifty million a year. So and then with

550
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,279
with Jaren, they have the cap space right now where

551
00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:00,000
they could renegotiate him where they're gonna give him less.

552
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:01,880
It's not like a full max deal. What they're gonna

553
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,240
probably do is get his first two years at the

554
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:08,720
max and then they all paid it forward where the

555
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,319
last three years are like a little bit below the max.

556
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,319
Gives them a little bit more flexibility. That's what the

557
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,279
Jazz did with market in last year. So yeah, I

558
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,200
think I think it's a little different with rookie extensions,

559
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,480
where with guys like Chad and Jalen Williams, there are

560
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,279
people who think that's a lot of money for those guys,

561
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:32,680
but like the question is if those guys hit free

562
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,799
agency or they're gonna get max offer sheets. Yeah, so

563
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,279
that's why that though, Okay, that's why, Okay, he gave

564
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,839
him max contracts now. But also it's all about the

565
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,920
percentage of the cap where they're only making twenty five

566
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,519
percent of the cap. They might make a little more

567
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,440
if to get all NBA stuff like that, but even

568
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,720
still like twenty five percent of the cap is like,

569
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,079
when you think about it in terms of percentages, that's

570
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,799
really not that much for a guy. For for those guys,

571
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:02,319
like it's possible that they're worth more when you if

572
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,240
they were able to get more. Once you get like

573
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:10,079
above thirty percent, closer to thirty five, that's where it

574
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,720
starts to get a lot more burdens them for the team,

575
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,720
where if the contract doesn't work then it could really

576
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,039
burn the team. Like Bradley Beal making thirty five percent

577
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,359
the cap, Zach Lavine making thirty five percent of the cap,

578
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,119
Devin Booker may potentially in a couple of years still

579
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:31,480
making thirty five percent of the cap. We'll see if

580
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:39,079
he's still a thirty five percent player by then. So yeah,

581
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,200
I just think as far as like the higher ends

582
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
of the once you get like past thirty percent, teams

583
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,759
are definitely going to start pushing back on that.

584
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: I used to dismiss this take as mostly fans speak,

585
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,359
but now I've seen just a lot of people I

586
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,759
respect kind of throw it out there as hypothetical. Do

587
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:58,400
you think the money when we look at things in

588
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,279
terms of percentage of the salary cap now, which I

589
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,319
think is smart, but when you see the raw dollar

590
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,960
amount like they're getting, like just on paper, they look

591
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,519
so ridiculous. Do you think we have a reach a

592
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,839
point where you're seeing like it's not someone who's in

593
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,920
their age forty season taking less than they could get,

594
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,559
but where we see someone who's maybe closer inside of

595
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,160
their prime to either take less to help a team,

596
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,559
like noticeably less to help a team sustain just because

597
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,160
it is still so much money, or maybe it's af

598
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,039
Fords like a different type of powerhouse if they're looking

599
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:26,759
to leave, or do you think that this is always

600
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,079
going to be just sort of money is kind of

601
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,799
the barometer for okay, like this is where I am

602
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:33,440
in the place of this league, and so we'll always

603
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
be a priority by and large to get as much

604
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,480
as possible.

605
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,359
Speaker 2: I think we are staying. We are seeing some cases,

606
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,119
not too many, where the where teams are willing players

607
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,000
are willing to take a little less than what they

608
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,519
probably could. We just saw it last year with Jalen Brunson,

609
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:54,559
where him taking four for one sixty was considered a

610
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,119
huge underpay. If he hit free agency this summer, he'd

611
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,279
get the max for sure, like the Knicks would have

612
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,160
had to give it him. So I think the money,

613
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,079
even though even though like the Caps, the percentages of

614
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,200
the maxes are still the same, the money still is

615
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,799
the row dollars is growing up to a point where

616
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,680
some players are willing to that were a lot of

617
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,200
players max extensions amounts are like high enough that it's

618
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,079
like just it's it's good enough. It's it's it's high

619
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,160
enough for them to accept it. It's still a lot

620
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,519
of still a lot of money these players are making.

621
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,279
Speaker 1: This is also maybe only a question that I have.

622
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,799
How do you think front offices view when it comes

623
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,519
to like the acquisition of distant draft picks to where okay,

624
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,000
the Nuggets sending out the twenty thirty two first rounder

625
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,160
to get off of Michael Porter Junior's money and bring

626
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,039
in Cam Johnson. I always look at those as crown jewels,

627
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880
especially when it seems like a team is maxed out

628
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,960
of their assets, and by that point, Akole Yoakhich can

629
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,920
be like age thirty seven or whatever it is up.

630
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,880
But I think you could also make the argument that

631
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,599
a lot of these front office executives will look at

632
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:04,799
that pick and say, well, I'm not going to be

633
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,359
the one either trading it or making it. And so

634
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,519
is there like a discrepancy between how those like ultra

635
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,319
distant first round picks are are valued around the league?

636
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:13,799
Do you think?

637
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,319
Speaker 2: I feel like for the most part, they're kind of

638
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,119
just the values just in the time, so in ways

639
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,839
they're all valued the same. Like I don't see how

640
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,960
you can really measure how, I how a Nuggets twenty

641
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,880
thirty two pick is any different from Michael Hornet's twenty

642
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200
thirty two pick right now, like other than the Jokic

643
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,359
having Yokic. But for the most part, when you're comparing

644
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,799
like any team with each other, you really can't project

645
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,599
like what what it is. You could only so all

646
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,559
you could do is get the pick, and you have

647
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,559
so much time to figure out what to do with it,

648
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:57,519
keep it, trade it for something else. So I think

649
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,400
we've just seen team tas for the most part, they've

650
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,519
they've done okay. Where when you're a team like yeah,

651
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:14,519
like Denver Milwaukee, who has a generational player who's going

652
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,239
to be playing for a long time, when you're trading

653
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,880
picks very far out, as long as you have that player,

654
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,599
then by then then those picks, then you know you

655
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,760
should be in a decent position to not have the

656
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,199
worst case scenario where when you're like Brooklyn in twenty thirteen,

657
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:40,199
they traded three first round picks for two very aging vets,

658
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,320
and then the Suns I think did an equally destructive

659
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,639
trade trading for Kevin Durant that age thirty five.

660
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: It was, and then one of the worst trade negotiations

661
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,639
I've ever seen from a team where they were the

662
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,079
only team he wanted to go to, and they just

663
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,000
kept get like it harkened back to what the Knicks

664
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,960
did with Mellow. It felt like just kept giving Brooklyn stuff.

665
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and then the Sun's followed that up by

666
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,760
trading everything else they had for Beal on a really

667
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,719
bad contract. So we've seen so then like so we're

668
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,880
seeing teams like the Wolves, the Calves that have done

669
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,480
their trades for go Baron Mitchell, those it looks like

670
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,480
those have already paid off for them, and like just

671
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,239
seeing where things are because they have bad words, because

672
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,880
the Calves have all their young talent, Like it's there's

673
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,360
not going to be any like worst case scenario at

674
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,920
the level of the Nets or or the Suns. We'll

675
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,320
see what happens with the Magic, but same thing it's

676
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,239
like they have two young all star level guys. They

677
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:50,039
have a really nice young team. So I just feel like,

678
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,800
for the most part, as long as you do have

679
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,079
a young cornerstone that you could look to by the

680
00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,679
end of that last pick obligation, you it'll work out.

681
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,360
Though it does limit how much you can do to

682
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,199
build the team going forward. We've seen like all these

683
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,480
teams that I just mentioned. Once you make that trade,

684
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,320
that's like you're kind of out of moves to make.

685
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,119
So that's like the bigger thing you're losing, Like the Knicks,

686
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,480
not too much else they could do now, Like, yeah,

687
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,199
they have a great team right now, they have a

688
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,079
championship contender, but they literally don't have any first round

689
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,360
picks the trade. Like all they could do is, you know,

690
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,159
get some really good free agent signings and you know,

691
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,960
see what happens. Maybe they have to trade some of

692
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,599
their guys later, but without those picks, it's very hard

693
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:36,360
to make any deal.

694
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,599
Speaker 1: A couple quick ones for you, since we only have

695
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:41,239
you for a few more minutes. Do you look at

696
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920
any teams around the league right now and say, like, okay,

697
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800
like their business like on a pretty like a maybe

698
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,719
a massive scale unless it is a massive scale. But

699
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,039
you look at them and say, like, no, they got

700
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,000
some stuff to still figure out for this offseason specifically.

701
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bunch the Nets. Obviously they still have

702
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,960
like up to thirty million in app space something like that.

703
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400
They could get up to them amount. So are they

704
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,119
gonna They've been able to get to first round picks

705
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,599
with their cap space by taking on Terrence Man and

706
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,880
taking on Michael Born Junior for Cam Johnson. Is there

707
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,960
something else they can do the Raptors there. I think

708
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,880
they're gonna trade r J.

709
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Barrett.

710
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,119
Speaker 2: They need to save some money. That that's just not

711
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,480
a that that fit doesn't make sense. They try to

712
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,400
trade them for Ingram at the trade deadline, but the

713
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Pelicans didn't want him.

714
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

715
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: Is there a trade where they can say, you know,

716
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,599
because right now they're over the tax and first apron,

717
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is there a trade that get them below it and

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maybe get them like a point guard or a backup center.

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The Kings are probably gonna do something, whether that's kaminga.

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Speaker 1: Terrify their fans. The Kings are gonna do something. Yeah,

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it's a red flag.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna do something. I think the Sons were

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just waiting to see if they end up stretching and

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if they end up doing anything with that added flexibility,

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because then they're they're blow of the aprons. They could

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use the mid level if they want, the Sixers, anyone

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who's with a restricted free agent, the Sixers, Bulls, Warriors, Warriors.

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I are they going to find a suitable sign trade

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for Kaminga to fill up their roster? They have They

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have done nothing yet. How much of their flexibilities they

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want to use. My feeling is they're going to try

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to just use the tax mid level on Horford, try

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to so they can go above the first apron. Try

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to get a guy like Melton on the minimum so

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they can try to spend us more money to fill

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up the roster. What is Memphis gonna do to create

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the cap space needed to officially renegotiate your in Jackson Junior?

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Based on Scham's reporting, sounds like something will happen with

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Cole Anthony, whether that's a trade or a buyout or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that just kind of that happened at the very

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early on in the process, and it's just like we

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haven't heard anything about it since.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't done anything, so we're still waiting to

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see what, you know, do the Clippers end up getting

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Beal and Chris Paul? That seems like that feels like

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that's going to happen. And I don't think this is

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probably not Probably nothing will come out of this. But

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is there something to the Lebron situation? Is that something

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where it looks like Lebron's not going to be a

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Laker after this year? Potentially? Maybe is there an early

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exit perhaps between these two teams?

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Speaker 1: You know, that might?

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing?

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Speaker 1: Are there any other like emerging trends or questions that

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you're monitoring or when you're doing podcasts like these that

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you wish people would ask you and that they don't

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that you're just kind of clocking moving forward about the

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way the NBA kind of transacts now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we mentioned them, whether that's potentially

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more teams doing stretches and holding teams holding a harder

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line on thirty percent plus max extensions. I feel like

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we're starting this. I think we've discussed a good amount

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of them.

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Speaker 1: Josie, this was great. Are you just able to tell

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our listeners, subscribers, watchers where they can find you and

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all the great work that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got my podcast Third Aprin, which you can

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find on YouTube anywhere where you get your podcasts, and

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the newsletter with the same name on substack a lot

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of deeper salary cap analysis. You can see all my

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salary cap information for each team on caps sheets dot

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com and make sure you are subpribed to me on

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Twitter and blue Sky on my name have instant salary

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cap analysis as soon as any transaction happens.

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Speaker 1: I just want to echo the work you do is

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great for everyone listening. The links will be when I

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put this out. It'll be in the podcast and YouTube

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descriptions to where you can find and support him. And

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thank you so much for giving me a ton of

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your time during one of the busiest times of the

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year before you I really appreciate it. And rest the

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short I'll probably be pestering you again in the future.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Damn thanks for having me on