WEBVTT 1 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.280 Welcome back to Midnight Viewing, the Horror Anthology podcast. We 2 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.359 are no longer looking at George Romero's nineteen eighties television 3 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.960 series tell Us the Dark Night, because we finished last episode. 4 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.079 You were there everyone. No, Instead, today we're going to 5 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:04.480 be looking at towns from the Dark Side of the 6 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.359 movie and with me to do another projection boost. Mike White. 7 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:10.200 Oh god, I don't have a line ready. Oh jeez, 8 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:17.159 I'm sorry. Hold on one second. You made a promise. 9 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.319 There we go, There you go, and the culture cast 10 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.200 Chris Statue, La. 11 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.640 La, lulie la. You're welcome for that one. 12 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:28.840 There you go. Okay and okay. As I said, we 13 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:30.640 are looking at towns from the Dark Side of the movie. 14 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:31.439 Here's the trailer. 15 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:46.959 Stephen King, originator of pet Cemetery, Arthur Conan Doyle, author 16 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:57.920 of Sherlock Holmes, Michael McDowell, creator of Beetle Juice, George Ramiro, 17 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:03.159 director of Knight of the Living Dead. Now, these four 18 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:09.240 masters of everlasting horror bring to the screen four tales 19 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:15.280 of overwhelming terror. I won them, but I wouldn't listen 20 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.039 to tales of diabolical fate. 21 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.520 You promise you never. 22 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.800 Tales of ghastly revenge. 23 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:31.879 Grow a light, rise a light, Come forth, a light, 24 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:33.719 open his eyes. 25 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:42.000 Tales of ruthless evil. That cat has killed three people in. 26 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:43.639 This household unbelie. 27 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:50.719 Kill it. There he is and bring me its tale. 28 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.599 Tales are from the dark Side. 29 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:57.840 Well, I just about to take care of that. 30 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:08.759 Let come live the night of your choice. Tales from 31 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.319 the Dark Side. The movie. 32 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.599 Tales from the Dark Side. The movie released on May 33 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:21.479 the fourth, at nineteen ninety directed by John Harrison. Screenplay 34 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:26.159 screenplay by Michael McDowell and George Romero, based on two 35 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.039 short stories, Lot two four nine by Arthur Conan Doyle 36 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.319 and The Camp from Hell by Stephen King and Let's 37 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.439 face It's Quite on and starring Deborah Harry, Christen Slater, 38 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:40.800 David Johanson, William Hickey, James Remar, Raydon Chaw. Cinematography by 39 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.159 friend of the podcast, Robert Draper. And I think it 40 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:45.599 looks gorgeous here here we are at the end of 41 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.000 the line. Gentlemen, where did you first see this movie? 42 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.039 Was it in the theater? Either of you? Chris, you 43 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:52.599 weren't born yet, never mind. 44 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.719 But he did go see it. I saw it's womb 45 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:04.400 uter row. I think I rented this sucker, probably from 46 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.479 the video store where I was working. I know I've 47 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.240 had this conversation with you so many times, father alone, 48 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.800 because I always get this one mixed up with two 49 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.759 Evil Eyes it just because of the cat theme. But 50 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.120 rewatching this, I'm just like, Okay, now I remember which 51 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.000 one that says, I'm glad you said that, the Arthur 52 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.519 Conan Doyle thing, that the Lot two forty nine was 53 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.160 Arthur Conan Doyle. I thought they were going for a 54 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.120 Thomas Pinchon reference with the crying of Lot forty nine, 55 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.000 But then I realized that's just not it. 56 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:36.680 And do you think they were doing that? 57 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.600 Yeah, yeah, that's not this movie. It could be, but 58 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:41.000 it's not. 59 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.839 As we were. As I was watching this, I was 60 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.720 really remembering, especially that first segment. It was funny. I 61 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.920 guess it just went along as the movie went along. 62 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.040 I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this first segment 63 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:57.240 very clearly because I love Steve Buscemi, I love Julianne Moore. 64 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:02.360 Christian Slater's in here as well. And then I remember 65 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:07.399 the David Johansson and William Hickey thing, and then I 66 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.879 really didn't remember the James Riemar and ray Don Jong 67 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.240 thing at all. Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited to talk 68 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:15.040 about this one. 69 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.600 I meant you, Chris, why did you first see this? 70 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.600 For this? This now? For this right now? Yeah? Right, okay, I'm. 71 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.040 Worry you had never seen this one before. 72 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.240 Okay not even now. I still haven't seen it. No, 73 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.279 watched it for this episode. You know it. I've had it. 74 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.279 I've had it on my Plex server for a while, 75 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.720 but I've never watched it. And I don't know why. 76 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:37.920 When I watched Creep Show when I was in high school, 77 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.439 I didn't watch this because again, this is part and 78 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:42.800 parcel with Creep Show. 79 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.360 That shows so much better. Though it's a thousand times 80 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:47.040 better than this. 81 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.839 I think they're checking different boxes. I think they're doing 82 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.759 different things. Creep Show is comic book inspired and this 83 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.879 is a finishing out of the television show and putting 84 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.959 a kapper on the television show, so I think the 85 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:05.680 intention is different. I actually think this movie is very 86 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.959 good and I enjoyed it a lot, and there's shockingly 87 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.600 similarly to Creep Show. I actually think there's very little 88 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.240 wrong with this movie. I think maybe there's some issues 89 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.839 that are just kind of again, you have a film 90 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.480 version of a TV show, and people that were showing 91 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.680 up to see this had to understand that's what this was, 92 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.680 because it does feel very disjointed, but it's just three 93 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.399 stories with some wrap arounds. So it's if you can 94 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.600 just get to that point with it and understand that 95 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.079 you're watching a novella short story novella in film for cool. 96 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.439 I really enjoyed it. I could understand why this wouldn't 97 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.000 be some people's cup of tea. And I think Creep 98 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.959 Show moves through those stories a little faster and gives 99 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.959 you more to chew on in that respect than this 100 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.079 movie does. But they're doing different things. But I enjoyed 101 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:52.000 this immensely. 102 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:56.759 Father Malone, you will hear a lot online that this 103 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.800 is the unofficial creep Show three kind of feels like 104 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.600 and that's because at one point Tom Savini offhandedly said, 105 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.240 this is basically creep Show three, And of course the 106 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.759 entire crew is all the Laurel Entertainment folk who were 107 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.480 responsible for Creep Show. John Harrison, the director of this, 108 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:19.920 composed the score for Creep Show and was the assistant 109 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.639 director on that film. George Romero is one of the 110 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.800 writers on this In fact, the segment that he wrote 111 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.920 Cat from Hell sequence was written for Creep Show two, 112 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.920 and they figured they couldn't do it, so that was 113 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.439 just sitting around and then he rewrote it for this 114 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:36.879 because at the time that this movie is getting made, 115 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:41.040 Romero wants nothing to do with Laurel Entertainment anymore. This 116 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.600 is a situation where they where Richard Rubinstein had already 117 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.600 negotiated like a several picture deal and one of them 118 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.120 was going to be Toastmadark Side. So this is Romero's 119 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.439 basically his last involvement with anything to do with Laurel Entertainment. Now, 120 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.360 as I said, this came out in May of nineteen ninety. 121 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.759 I was working at the Lows in Somerville, Massachusetts. I 122 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.279 was an usher there and this movie came out. This 123 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.360 is the movie theater I met my wife, my late wife, 124 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.240 and I saw this movie one thousand times. 125 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.000 See I saw a Creep Show probably about that much, 126 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.439 just because it was on HBO and like VHS and 127 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.639 those things. That's funny because I was working in a 128 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.040 movie theater in nineteen ninety as well, but I just 129 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.800 this one asked me about I didn't even know that 130 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.559 this was a movie until probably three four years later, 131 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.000 and then the whole thing with Creep Show three. I 132 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.879 think I was on one of Josh Hadley's shows and 133 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:44.480 we watch because he's fucking crazy, crazier than I am. 134 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.399 When it comes to oh, yeah, we're going to talk 135 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.799 about this, so you should watch these five, ten fifteen movies. 136 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.039 Like he keeps asking me to do a witchboard thing, 137 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:54.639 and I'm just like, there's no fucking way. 138 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.840 I'm ever so many movies. 139 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.440 I don't want to spend the rest of my life 140 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:05.039 watching movies. So I also watched this again back oh 141 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.559 probably eight years ago, and even still then I was 142 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.639 just like, yeah, like I said, it's not that memorable 143 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.000 to me. But rewatching it for this, I was like, 144 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.559 this is decent, and I really I don't know if 145 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.399 it was just because I was watching like shitty VHS 146 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.559 copy the first time, maybe subpar DVD the second time. 147 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:31.679 It looks great, like this latest transfer looks fantastic, and 148 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:36.080 especially the look of the second segment. But we'll get there. 149 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.559 When it comes to this, I thought, I have problems 150 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:44.000 with anthology movies, especially when it comes to how are 151 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.279 they tying these things together? And this one was rough 152 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.000 because I love Debbie Harry, but I don't think she's 153 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.279 that great of an actress, and the performance she's giving 154 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.279 in this wasn't that thrilled with her performance, So it 155 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.919 was a little tough, a little awkward every single time 156 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.000 she was on screen. And then listening to the commentary 157 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.120 and hearing that the segments were in a different order, 158 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:13.039 I'm guessing that's why we don't see the priest, because 159 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:17.399 they very specifically call out in the credits that it's 160 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.720 the little boy, it's her, and it's the priest. I'm like, 161 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:24.960 did I blink? But I think he must have been 162 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.360 in some of the stuff that they had to cut 163 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.080 out when they rearranged the segments. 164 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.799 Yeah, I believe that's the case. They did the same 165 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:34.399 thing with Creep Show. Initially, the crate was the literal 166 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.200 centerpiece of Creep Show. You would have Jordi Vero, then 167 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.679 right into the crate and then follow it up with 168 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.080 something to tide you over. And they realized dramatically, you 169 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.679 just got to shift that shit around. And I believe 170 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.320 in this one, the Cat from Hell was the original ending. 171 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:51.919 They thought they were going to pull off another ups 172 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.639 and Pratt. They're creeping up on you from Creep Show 173 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.799 here with the giant gross out, leave you on the 174 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.919 floor type of ending, and then I assume wisely saw 175 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.559 what they had and went, oh Jesus, put this in 176 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:03.000 the middle. 177 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.039 Yeah, because it's such a weak ending with this with 178 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:09.559 the gargoyle story. But I don't want to jump ahead. 179 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.240 All right, let's get to it. It's not this wrap 180 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:13.000 around story. No. 181 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.559 Wait, Chris, wait, why I had something that I had 182 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.120 something that I want to mention before we get too 183 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.759 far in about the timing of when the show Tails 184 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.399 from the Dark Side ended was eighty eight, when this 185 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.679 movie came out was ninety. Something came out in between 186 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.600 that greatly affected. I think even the way that this 187 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.159 looks and the tone of this. Tales from the Crypt 188 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.919 started in nineteen eighty nine, that is the first year 189 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.639 of that show, and this movie I think benefits from 190 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.279 Tales from the Crypt being out and keeping that interest 191 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.840 in horror and especially anthology horror out there. Because this movie, 192 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.480 like you mentioned, Mike, it looks great. I think it 193 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.840 looks really good because it's also copying from the Tales 194 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.240 from the Crypt's look at the time, like it is 195 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.440 leaning into the easy comic a little bit of it, 196 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.639 which I think works because it again, if that's the 197 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.600 other thing that's on that's really successful at the time, 198 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.240 why not lean into it a little bit? And this 199 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.080 this comes out when the second season of the show 200 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:10.440 of Tales from the Crypt is on. 201 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.559 And respectfully, I disagree with you on both those counts. 202 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.000 I don't think this has any easy influence and I 203 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.480 definitely don't think this has any Tales from the Crypt influence. Don't. 204 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:22.919 I just don't see it at all. And I think 205 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.600 John Harrison is an accomplished and sort of for who 206 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.240 came out of Laurel Entertainment. He's the most muscular of 207 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.320 the directors. He's the one with an actual eye. I 208 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.279 think you see that in a lot of the transitions 209 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.080 and everything we're going to see in The Cat from Hell. 210 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.679 I think he was the most innovative filmmaker on Tails 211 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.559 from the dark Side. I think he came in with 212 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.759 a plan, and his plan was to make this as 213 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.200 stylish as he could without making a creep show, because 214 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.000 let's face it, he's standing in George Romero's fucking shadow. 215 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.679 Romero's producing this movie and is on set a lot 216 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.679 of the time, and as far as Tales from the Crypt, 217 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.159 you got to know that these guys probably hated that 218 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.879 fucking thing because there is no show with a creep 219 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.399 show like they basically already did that, and now here 220 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.720 they are with the with their million dollar budgets and everything. 221 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.360 It's like amazing stories too for these guys. So I 222 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.879 don't think John Harrison is looking to ape them at all. 223 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.720 Again, I again, I don't think I would maybe walk 224 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.480 back me saying I wouldn't say I would say aping. 225 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.600 I'd say, it's just it's benefiting. Let me rephrase, it's 226 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.519 benefiting from being on. Tales from the Crypt is helping 227 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.399 this out by just keeping the idea of horror anthology 228 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.480 as a mainstream idea going. Would you would agree with that? 229 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:36.159 Yeah, totally. 230 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.279 Yeah, Yeah, And like the biggest fucking thing there for 231 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:40.919 the first five years that it's. 232 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.879 On, Like Kils from the Crypt still is a big thing. 233 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:47.679 Everyone still remembers it very badly. But all I'm saying 234 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.200 is I don't think there's any influence going on Biley 235 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.080 or visually here, specifically visually. 236 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:55.879 Well, Mike, you said about the people who are in 237 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.879 the horror world not agreeing with Tales from the Crypt. 238 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.200 Tales from the Crypt was not That was our One 239 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.440 of our big things with Chronicles from the Crypt was 240 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.799 that was a show not made by horror people. And 241 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.679 that is the thing that I appreciate about everything that 242 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.960 we've done with Midnight Viewing is the people involved are 243 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:16.320 horror people or sci fi people, and they're invested in 244 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.480 that genre already. And yet to your point like that 245 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.039 that is that that's a very apropos point that they 246 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.320 would not be super thrilled and with those budgets squandering them. 247 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:27.960 You gotta be a kick in the fucking teeth, I 248 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:28.480 gotta tell you. 249 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:29.000 Yeah. 250 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:30.919 But they do have George Ramiro with this, so it's 251 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.279 it's not like they're just out in the cold. You 252 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.440 have the King of Horror here. Oh I think that. 253 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.240 I think they're doing just fine. 254 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.679 Yeah, oh yeah, I think a lot of ways if 255 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.480 they tail Tales from the Crypt movie, could wish in 256 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.120 a lot of ways it was as good as Tales 257 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.080 from the Dark Side. But the Tales from the Dark 258 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.000 Side movie, like genuinely, oh, it. 259 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.279 Is so nice that they have so many not just 260 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.799 the talent behind the camera, but in front of the 261 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.480 camera as well. The episode with Debbie Harry wasn't that 262 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.840 long ago? A do I remember right? That a very 263 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.240 young Christian Slater was in like one of the first. 264 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.360 Season episodes, a Case of the Stubborns where his Bandpot 265 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:08.720 would not believe he was dead. 266 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.720 Oh, the one with yeah the guy from those oh shit, 267 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.759 those old time comedies. Yeah, that was. 268 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:19.200 Fantastics, written by Michael McDowell, who wrote his segment here. 269 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:21.679 I had a lot of crossover with this movie and 270 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:23.799 a lot of the things we've watched, Steve u Semi's 271 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.000 Entails from the Crypt. James Remar was in Tails from 272 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.840 the Crypt that, Yeah, there's a lot of cross Like 273 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:32.720 we've already said with Christian Slater, a lot of crossover. 274 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.399 With the Debbie Harry rap around what I was hoping for. 275 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.679 And I know again thanks to the way that they 276 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.759 had to rejigger this, but this whole idea of this kid, 277 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.200 this kind of Shaherazad wrap around, where he's telling her 278 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.840 these stories in order to keep himself alive, keep her 279 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.639 from cutting him open and viscerating him, cooking him in 280 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.200 the oven and everything. I was really hoping because they 281 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.519 prominently show that clock and I really had hoped that 282 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.639 every time a segment was over, that clock would be 283 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.120 moving and it would be the length of time until 284 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.399 she had to put him in the oven. I thought 285 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.120 that would have been a really nice thing. Unfortunately, they 286 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:13.200 just couldn't pull. 287 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:13.679 That one off. 288 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.519 They did say an hour and a half at the 289 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:16.360 beginning of a movie. 290 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:16.679 Truly. 291 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.320 Yeah, to your point, I was like, they're going to 292 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.000 try to do that. You keep saying that kid, that kid, 293 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.960 brotherly Love's own Matthew Lawrence, the most gifted of the 294 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.120 Lawrence brothers, the true child actor amongst them, not turning 295 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.559 in his best performance though he's just here. I was 296 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.960 surprised it was him because when it's when they were 297 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.159 they have that shot of her and then they reveal 298 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:37.759 it to him. I was like, oh my god, it's 299 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.639 a little distracting from someone my age because he's so precocious. Yeah, 300 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.480 it's a little much. I mean, Harry is not yet. 301 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:47.320 She's not as good as she is in Video Drome, 302 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.080 that's for sure. I think that we might be a one. 303 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.759 Off in this the rap around segment. Look, if you 304 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:55.519 haven't seen it, we're spoiling the fuck out of everything. 305 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.639 So what they do here is they try and subvert expectations. 306 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:03.039 We get like the perfect suburban housewife and she's waving 307 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.119 to the priest and the neighbors and the mailman, and 308 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.039 she comes home and she has a fucking dungeon with 309 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.079 a kid in it who she's going to be cooking 310 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.440 and eating, and the kid is trying to forestall her 311 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.799 by reading her stories from the book of Tales from 312 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.559 the Dark Side, which, by the way, makes Tails from 313 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.160 the Dark Side fake. 314 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:23.559 Watching up to this point. 315 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:25.640 It reduces the series to that book. 316 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.599 So it was my interpretation as well, we're. 317 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.880 Watching Tales from the Dark Side, but they're reading talns 318 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.079 from the dark Side. But that no longer. I don't 319 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.799 know anyway. But what we have is a somnambulance performance 320 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.039 by Debbie Harry and a fucking Disney Kid performance from 321 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.640 the Lawrence Kid. And it's just a mess. 322 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.279 It is a mess. And again you're talking about subverting 323 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:50.680 expectations when you've got the cage and all the cookies. 324 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.880 And I was expecting that that little creature from was 325 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.160 that season two or one, the little thing that was 326 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.319 living in the closet. I was hoping Lizzie would make 327 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.039 a reappearance. I was like, yeah, Lizzie and then no, 328 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:05.839 here comes this stupid kid. 329 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.200 Yeah, but you're right, they should have had some appearances 330 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.880 from characters in the show that would have made this 331 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.200 a little bit better, I think. 332 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.119 Yeah, oh yeah, but yeah, I'm surprised that they didn't 333 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.279 recycle segments from the show, just because they might have 334 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.039 thought the show. The audience for the movies different than 335 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.599 the audience from the show. I'm glad they didn't do that. 336 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.680 You mean, like they did with the third Tales from 337 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.839 the Crypt movie. That wasn't a Tales from the Crypt movie, 338 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.200 but they just put Tales from the Crypt wraparounds on it. 339 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.119 Yeah like that? Oh okay, Yeah, that's what they did 340 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:36.680 with Ritual, which I believe had James remar in it 341 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.720 of all people. Yeah, I was gonna say about the 342 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.000 wrap around. I guess the question I have is, given 343 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:43.880 how many of these that we've seen with wrap rounds, 344 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.880 would it have been better to just have a host 345 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.240 wrapping around the movie or would it be better to 346 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:54.319 try and do this and it not workness, Because for 347 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.359 the most part, anytime we've seen the three of us anyways, 348 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.279 we've seen just someone going hello and welcome him to 349 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.400 the show, or not even acknowledging that this is a show, 350 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.319 but presenting the information or the story. Would that have 351 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.839 been better or is this trying to contextualize it within 352 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.200 the narrative? Is that a better idea? Because this is 353 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.599 the first time we've really seen this, though there are 354 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:16.880 other things that do it just is just the first 355 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:17.960 time we've seen it together. 356 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.119 I think to the tales from the crypt angle, having 357 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.720 a host would have been too much, and I think 358 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.799 Romero and Harrison talked about it the great by the way, 359 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.160 great audio commentary, especially if you'd like to hear George 360 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.759 Romero laugh. He's got such a great laugh, and he 361 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.839 laughs a lot. It seems like he had he just 362 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.440 came in and wrote a segment and necessarily have to. 363 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.319 There was no pain for him here. 364 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.599 Not a lot of pain for George for this one. Yeah. 365 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.559 He I think he was talking about the whole idea 366 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.920 of the true nature of having a host and all 367 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.319 that stuff. So I'm glad that they did the wrap round, 368 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.920 and I'm also glad that they respect the story that 369 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.599 it's inside of these stories, the whole idea of her 370 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.240 being like, oh that was I almost wish that she 371 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.319 had made more commentary about the characters, because she just 372 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.200 says things like, oh, that was a horrible story or 373 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.000 oh that was a good one, and I was hoping 374 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.519 she might say, I wonder if that Mummy ever came 375 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.279 back around. There's whatever it was. 376 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.400 Yeah, it's too much and not enough. Here's how I 377 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.400 would have solved the wrap around segment problem. I would 378 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.240 have called Paul Spearer and said, and you did, to 379 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.359 say a lot of more spooky shit and freakd theiry 380 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.200 fuck out of people in between segments. If I would 381 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.359 have opened this movie exactly like the television series and 382 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.839 then gone right in and then had Paul Spare continue 383 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.200 to talk to us and then bring us into the 384 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.680 first segment, it would have freaked everyone the fuck out. 385 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:46.759 You're right because they could have updated the graphics from 386 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.759 the opening of the show, because those graphics after a while, 387 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:53.000 you're just like man video toaster. Yeah it was good 388 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.119 in eighty six, but eah, maybe not now. Yeah, I 389 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:01.160 totally agree. I'm I was a little like, oh, that's 390 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.440 nice that they did the new with the music, but 391 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.079 I really love that score, and I especially love him 392 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.839 and that voiceover. Like for these the last couple episodes 393 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.119 that we watched with our last episode, I was just like, 394 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.920 I'm not doing skip credits, man, I want to hear 395 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:19.000 these intros and outros. 396 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.960 Donald Rubinstein, who composed the score for the original Shoes 397 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.319 from the Dark Side series, he does the overall score 398 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:31.400 for the entire episode. And what's funny is I remember 399 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.640 seeing the movie in the theater for the first time 400 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.559 and the light's coming up halfway at the end when 401 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.480