Speaker 1: Hey, This is Fred Green of golf Smarter with our
spring back into golf season with the late Tony Manzoni.
This episode, originally number four hundred eight, published in October
of twenty thirteen, was the fifth time that Tony blessed
us with his wisdom and insights to the effectiveness of
his single pivot swing. Now, at this point we hadn't
spoken to Tony in about eighteen months, so we brought
him back to pick his brain for two weeks in
a row. His book, The Loss Fundamental is available on Amazon,
and his DVD, which we converted to a private link online,
is also available when you write to me. For the
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Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number four hundred eight published on October twenty nine,
twenty thirteen. Take ownership of your swing, now repeat it
with Tony Manzoni.
Speaker 1: This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers
and golf professionals to help lower your score.
Speaker 2: It's worked for your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to
Golf Smarter, Tony.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Fred. It's great to be back.
Speaker 2: It has been way too long and since you know's
it feels to me like recent history, but it's really
not anymore. But we just surpassed four hundred episodes on
Golf Smarter, and I've been looking for those instructors who've
been on the show numerous times over the last eight
years and said, who can I bring back to help
celebrate four hundred episodes? You know, having the four hundred
episode was kind of like a hole in one, or
maybe even like when the Red Sox won the World
Series the first time. It's like you just an dissipating
it so much and then it happens. You can go,
that's it.
Speaker 3: Yes, you want a duck to drop dollars.
Speaker 2: And guess as a grog, get it right exactly. But
it's amazing to me the response that we've always had
when when you come on the show, because people just
love the loss fundamental, Well, I'm.
Speaker 3: Glad to hear that and and I get kind of
the same results. The great thing that happens is when
I give a golf lesson to someone and then I
get a note maybe a month or two later saying
I'm playing so much better and blah blah blah, or
someone buys my book and calls me or sends me
no saying I'm gonna stay enjoyed. Now. You know, that's
every professionals dream that that you made some sense and
you help them, And that's what that's what we're all
trying to do, is we're trying to take somebody and
improve their game. I think the majority of guys like
me are really in it for the passion of watching
someone grow in the game and get a little better
and maybe even want to play the game more than
than the money that we make.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind
of like where we come from in the podcast world.
It's all about engagement, right, engaging engaging with your people,
whether your customers, your clients, your patients, your listeners, whatever,
it's engaging with them and getting that feedback it's incredible
that you've earned it.
Speaker 3: Well, I like to think so. I've put a lot
of years studying the game, and I made a lot
of drastic changes in the way the way I present
the information and hopefully it's getting better and more succinct. Uh.
It's typical to talk too much when you're giving a
golf lesson, but then you can't talk too little, so
you can't have any dead spots like on the air
when you're when you're broadcasting. Uh. And as I teach
to my golf management students how to teach this game,
it's really important that you create an atmosphere of learning
and allow the person to be relaxed and not worry
too much about hitting a bad job in front of you. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that a lot of people walk away
from lessons, uh overloaded with information.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It feels like on a lesson, especially, most people go
in for one or two lessons and they're like, I'm
going on vacation, fix my swing right, And so there's
this information dump that comes from an instructor, especially that
once to change everything that you do. And you're saying,
I just want to hit my irons better, and you're like,
well you've got to, You've got to change your swing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If anyone's been played for any length of time,
what you really want to do is take what they have,
maybe set them up a little bit better the ball,
but make sure that you can get them to repeat
their action, because in the final analysis, you've got own
your own swing. No matter what the concept you're trying
to do, you've got to be able to repeat that.
I mean, you know when you look at Trevino or
the guys that ain't quite a bit left and blocked
it right, or Furic that has that very loopy swing,
but they repeat it, and that's the key. And that's
definitely the key. Now. I think by not shifting a
lot of weight to the right and then having to
shift it all the way back, that eliminates that big
timing element that most people can't do, especially after you
get passed for it becomes almost impossible. So those kind
of things you need to know. You need to know
where your body is relative to the ball. But if
you hoist it or you take it a little flat,
I really don't think that means much as long as
you do it every time.
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you how much impact that little
piece that you just tossed away had on me, not
just when I came down and played with you and
had a friend of mine take a lesson from you
as we videotaped it, and the golf Smarter TV video
that we put on called Ben Hogan's Secret revealed that
is just short one. It's received more views of any
video that we've ever done here. It's it's so incredible
that it's it's not about Oh, I'm talking about the
hips way and that the slide to the right. Once
I started keeping my lower body quiet, I was making
much better contact and my back ache, my back aches
at the end of a round were gone.
Speaker 3: Sure, because you're not indianping to reverse city. You're ended
up what we call posted up in the swing. And
you know, it's really nothing new. I mean the old
times to stay stay in the barrel, Well, there's a
lot to that. There really is a lot to say
staying center to the ball. And if you look at
film of Sneed or Hogan or Palmer or Nicholas or
the guys that had long careers, they didn't move off
the golf ball. They stayed on the ball, and they
didn't purposely try to stay on it. It was the
way they moved that kept them on the ball. And
that's the key. You can't tell somebody don't move your
head in the swing. That that's counterintuitive. What you want
to say is, Okay, if that right side goes behind you,
then the head can't move right if you if you're
turning from the left side, you're going to you're gonna
push back a little bit away from the ball, and
then you have to get back to that starting position
and get a little open and hit the ball. That's
a lot to do in that millisecond. The down swing cakes.
So uh, I hope it was just he figured this out,
and I know he took it to his grave. But
there is film that you could look at and if you,
if you're a crazy person like me that will sit
in front of a camera video and watch it over
and over and over and slow it down and keep
looking at it, you'll start seeing little nuances of the
things that that man did. And he for sure played
off the left side.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're a crazy person, then we're all crazy.
I think.
Speaker 3: You got to really want to learn, you know, because
as I tell my students, there's never a day that
I don't I don't learn something about the golf swing,
some little thing. I'll be teaching someone and I'll say
something and I'll think to myself, I got to keep
that as a mental note, and as soon as I'm
done with this lesson, I got to grab a ball
in a club and try that, because it's it's like
it's like jazz singers. You know, you're improvising constantly. You're
not hitting that same note you're on the melody, but
you're hitting a bunch of different notes. Teaching is kind
of that way, because that light bulb goes on with
a phrase, but that phrase could be totally different for
each and every person, even though you mean the same thing.
I've had people take lessons from me for four or
five lessons and I and I am repeating the same
thing over and over again, and they'll say, oh, you've
never told me that before, And I said to them, well,
I guess I'm gonna have to tell you to you
in another language because we've been speaking English most of
the time and have been saying it over and over.
But people here at times and don't. And as a teacher,
you have to really be cognizant of that. That you
have to be really clear, and you have to even
ask the question you understand what I mean. And not
only do you understand what I mean, I want you
to show me what I'm trying to get you to do.
When you can get on that kind of a basis
with someone, then they're learning and you're teaching.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to do a quick recap for people
who are just being introduced to you to the first time,
because you know, there are always new people discovering golf
smarter and I greatly appreciate that. And you have been
on so many times. We've been face to face, we've
been on the phone. But I'll give me a brief
history of when you started playing golf and what your
golf career was and where you are today.
Speaker 3: Well, I started as a caddy like most people from
my era. I was about eleven years old, went through
the caddy ranks, borrowed clubs from the pro that he discarded,
got a mixed bag of club to start playing the game.
I was a pretty good baseball player, so I had
good eye hand coordination, so I immediately hit the ball
pretty far from my size and that carried on through
my golf life until now. I'm a little older, so
get along the two that don't hit it as far
as I work on my shirt gain. But during that
period of time, I came up with what I saw
and what I heard is how to deliver the golf
club to the ball, and not knowing that the majority
of what I saw and what I heard were cliches
that had been passed on through the years and not
really based on any real truth fact. There was really
more theory or what someone felt they were doing. And
we know that a lot of terrain pros will write
a book and they'll say this is what I do,
but then when you watch them in film, they're not
doing that. It's just that's the sensation they have. So
you have to be careful about words. Are they actually
are they actually the motor that drives a swing? And
as I continue my education, you know I was a
very handsy arm swing player free arm swing. I bought
it into that and I played pretty good, but under pressure,
I always hooked the golf ball. I always hooked it
and got myself in trouble. And through the years, you
know I played, I was good enough to play by
qualifying to play the tour, and that we didn't have
the right to qualifying systems that they have today. You
just went on Monday and like they call us rabbits,
and you try to qualify and I did on a
number of occasions, and I got to play, but I
always hit that wall. I was. I was quick out
of the gate two three hundred, real quick, and then
whip one out of bounds and then blocked the next
one right because I'm trying not to ofk the next
one and so forth. So that fought that, and I
realized that I didn't have you know, and and not
rightly so, because I felt like, well, I just don't
have the talent for this. But the truth was I
didn't have the information, and unfortunately for me, I got
the information too late to do anything about it. So
I decided, you know, I'm going to give this information
to people that have had the dream of being a player,
to have the dream of playing, or somebody that just
wants to play better and not have to practice so much.
So as I evolved as a teacher, one lucky day,
a gentleman came in my office and said, I've got
a letter copy of a letter written by Ben Hogan
about the golf swing, and also video that really wasn't authorized,
was kind of home video, and you know, Hogan didn't
like his swing video. After I read the letter, you know,
it said something in there that was read flag to me.
He said, when I'm at the top of the swing,
I'm on the instep of my left foot, and I thought, well,
doesn't he mean right foot? And then I watched the
video and it was exactly that. And I went out
and I started hitting balls that way because in my
mind I was thinking, well, am I going to reverse
my wight shift? But I didn't. I got more on
the ball and address, and I moved through the ball
during the impact, and all of a sudden, my iron
play got real crisp. I quit it in a thin
and fat and I started. I started using some students
of minus guinea pigs, trying to set them up more
left sided, and so that they because you know, no
matter how you take the club back, you've got to
be on the left side of where you're hitting the
golf ball. So I got them a little bit more
on the left side, I say, sixty forty, and I
did that, and this thing started evolving. I thought, Holy Macro,
I got lightning in the jar. And a bunch of
my students said, you've got to write a book. You've
got to get this information out. And in the process
of writing the book, stack until came out, which is
it's similar and so out of but not in the
action action because they they really finished in kind of
a reverse sea and I don't believe in that. I
think that creates a lot of strain on the on
the body, and I think that's actually an unnatural way
to finish. I think posted up as better. Uh, and
my elderly players who never get off the right side
found that they could get to the left side for
the first time in many, many years. And that's the
proof of the pudding for me.
Speaker 2: Amazing. And then you went on and started coaching on
the college level after you know how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I told you, I got involved. I got
involved with Callowey Golf. It wasn't Callowey Golf and I
was involved with it was called Hickory Stick and I
made the cold call to Elee Calloway to get him
involved with increased the golf club company. In the first call,
he came down to look at him, walked away and said,
I wish you could luck. And then about two weeks later,
because we couldn't make payroll, I called him again and
he said, it's funny that you call. I've been thinking
about being involved with you, and he bought up partners
out and then made myself, Richard Parrenti and Elie Calloway.
We were all thirty three and third partners in a
new company called Callawai Stick and then it became Calallei Golf,
And of course the story is a beautiful story because
it's a billion dollar company. And I think I made
one of the great cool calls in golf, for sure.
And then from that point after I left, Calloway cashed
out in my stock and so forth, I wanted to
do something in golf give back. College of the Den
had a piece of property that I raised the money
to build a golf facility on a driving range, classrooms
and a little museum, and it's continued to evolve. I
got lucky and got the golf team, and this is
our twenty seventh year in a row. We won the
conference championship. That's going to be a record somewhere.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven years in a row. You've won the conference championship.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven years in early and we're going to try
to win it this year, the twenty eighth. We won
the state championship a number of times under my tutelage
and we won. We won what we call the Southern
California Regional Championship a number of times, and I've you know,
I've been blessed. We're in a wonderful area. We were
one of the few campuses that as a driving range
in a golf academy on campus, so that helps. I'd
like to think that a percentage of the success came
from me, from my teaching. But it's been a win
win for me. And as I tell everyone, this is
the best thing I ever did in golf. And I
mean I qualified for the Senior Masters, and the day
I qualified, I think I probably called everyone I ever
met to tell them that I qualified. And I've had
some moments in golf, but nothing has fulfilled me like
working with young people and teaching them golf and teaching
them what how they're supposed to act when they win
and lose, teaching them, you know, character and some of
the things that I've seen from the greats how they acted.
Arnold Palmer is a perfect example of a guy that
conducts himself so well. Everyone loves Arnie. You can't help
but love him. He's just a great man. And I
try to pass those things on to the especially in
today's world where you got kids with their pants down,
you see their underwear, all that stuff like that, And
I try to explain to them why that's to turn.
I understand. When I was a kid, my folks hated
the music I listened to, and I think that's with
every generation. But I try to tell them, you know,
how you have to prioritize and how you have to
have a goal now and you have to start working
towards that goal and these other things like music and style,
those are okay, but that can't be unless you're a
hip hop artist or you're a music artist or something.
You can't go well looking like that because everyone's judged
the first cliance, know so, So I found my niche.
I really like mentoring and I love coaching, and I
love to watch some of these kids hit that ball
farther than I ever dreamed.
Speaker 2: Wow. All right, and you've you've revealed a couple of
things here, but I hope you don't mind me asking
how old are you.
Speaker 3: I'm a seventy seven as of July Tause when you.
Speaker 2: Said from my era, no one says that unless you're
from that era.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well there was there was big animals walking the land.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's because you're in the Palm Springs area
and it's just everyone's away.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm very lucky. I I want to say, knock
on wood, but it's hard to find wood nowadays, but
knock on plastic. I am in really good shape and
I work at it. I have to work at it.
And being around young people helps me work at it
because typically they're all pretty fit these days, and so
we can of about nutrition and doing all the right things.
And you know, I love to hear Gary Player talk
about put Kouman on everything you eat. You know, he's
a marvel that guy. And more people that would copy
him and some of these other artists, they'd be better
off for it.
Speaker 2: And at seventy seven years old, I'm sure you know,
like this is going to enhance credibility for you, Like crazy,
what are you shooting these days?
Speaker 3: I still shoot far?
Speaker 2: And how far do you drive the ball.
Speaker 3: To sixty five? Well? I pop it. I can get
it off for about to ead. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody gets really well downhill. I mean, when
you're on a normal drive, is that really what you're
doing on normal.
Speaker 3: Di My normal drive is in the it's over to fifty,
you know. With me, I'm in that to sixty range.
Like I say, every now and then, I cook one
and you know, you get a turnover a little bit
and it'll get out there. I can get out there
pretty good still. You know, I can still reach par
fives and stuff. I used to hit it well over
three hundred yards and I was just a skinny kid,
but I was very flippy wristed, and you know, and
that was with a percimon would. But I can still
move it a little bit, you know. I mean my
golf team, everybody hits the three hundred yards. They got
arms three inches around and they hit a three hundred yards.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2: So what kind of new things have you discovered with
your recent crop of young studs over at College of
the Desert.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm finding, they're not so reluctant
to listen. They're more curious about the golf. So again,
part of it is because they see the record we've compiled.
And I'm not going to say that every player that
plays for me plays off the left side, but a
lot of them have changed to it. And when I
explained it to them, they realize that mathematically it could
makes sense. It's not very It's just that, look, if
we got to get to the left side, and when
we hit the golf ball, the farther we get to
the right, the harder is to get to the left.
There's a whole bunch of things happening on that downsling
that you've got a time and we want to eliminate
timing as much as we can in the golfling. And
so if we can rotate on a axis instead of
two but one, if we can trap the club against
our body via the connection of our arms to our body,
then as we rotate, the club face stays square through impact.
And it's easy to do physically. So you know, for
the older generation out there, they say, yeah, but that
you've got to be young to do that. Know, it's
the opposite. The older you are, you know, you're going
to find it much more efficient. And the key here
is that you can square the club to the ball easier,
so you get a lot of square hits.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I've got clients, believe me, late in their eighties that
are said, tell me, they're hitting the ball farther now
than they did fifteen twenty years ago because for the
first time in their life, they know they they're hitting
the sweet spot. When you're throwing that club from the top,
they're trying to roll your hands over. Good luck, Charlie,
because you may hit on a year, or if you're
practicing out eight hours a day, then maybe you can
do that. But who practices over a half hour a day,
you know, So it's a godsend. I was very lucky
that someone walked in my office and gave me a
letter in a video because it changed the way I teach,
and consequently it's helped everyone I work with, whether they're
I've got a girl that I worked with two years,
player of the Year last year. Her name is June Jangs.
She's on my video and she's winning everything and she's
now going on to the regionals of the state. And
I mean, you watch you hit a ball, you just
go crazy. I mean, she's a fifteen year old girl
that can hit it to sixty two seventy. And that's
not an exaggeration because when we play, she keeps it
up with me. When she busts, when she's got to
ride by her buy me and I tell her don't
do that anymore. But it's it's wonderful. And I just
took on a seven year old Korean boy that I'm
going to tell you. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm
going to film. I'm going to take a film of
the Indian golf ball and I'm going to send it
to you, and it's going to shock you.
Speaker 2: Seventies are seventeen seven years old, seven years old, seven
years old and clocks.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he hits an out there where
you say that's not possible, and he puts like a madman.
And I can't take a lot of credit for this.
His dad came to me and I watched this little
boy on the on the driving range, and it was
like watching a little Ben Hogan. And his dad came.
He said, which you take give my boy lessons? And
I said, well, yeah, but you know you've done a
really good job. He says he won't listen to me.
He won't listen to me anymore, which is cracked up.
So I took him on. And of course I don't
charge kids. I'm you know, it's for me. I get
such a reward by teaching him and watch him. And
the first thing I found is when I talked to him.
He was really shy all I. He was a top
of his head. So I said, you know, you have
to look at me and I talked to you. So
at the end of the lesson, I said, sim, okay, Ivan,
what have you learned today? He said, well, you told
me I have to set up a little better at
the ball and take it back a little bit more
with the bigger should return. And I have to look
at you when you talk to me. And you know,
I just I just thought, oh, man, you know that's
that's really cool that he was listening.
Speaker 2: Wow, And can you share his name?
Speaker 3: I don't even know the last name. His name is Ivan,
and he's a he's a I said, Korean. He's a
little Japanese. I excuse me, a little Chinese boy, okay.
And the next time I talked to I'll tell you
that the girl June Jang and she's Korean uh, and
she's going to be you watch. You will see her
on the tour and not only will she make the tour,
she will win on the tour. She's that good.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, please send me video. I want to see
this and we'll definitely put it up on the website
and let people see it.
Speaker 3: If you've got to see this, I got to just
give you a quick little story. After a lesson of
this last Tuesday, I brought him over back to the
We were on the turf way back, and I brought
him back to the front of the range where a
lot of my golf team, where I said, okay, guys,
I'm going to show you how's supposed hit a T ball.
He teed that ball up and he hit it. I
don't know how far he hit it, but it was
crazy far for a kid that and he's a small seven,
but he's got this lag right at the bottom that
God gave him. Okay, and he busted it, and I said,
I just want to show you that that wasn't luck.
I pied another one up and get this a little farther.
I mean, he's got you know, he just can't wait
to show off. So it's it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seven, of course old. He wanted to show
people what he can do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting because I've had many conversations
with people and have asked this question of many instructors
and you know, about getting young people started, because I
you know, people go hi, how much my ten year
old practice? Or how when should I? What should I?
How do I get get interested in golf? And I
always talk about just start at the putting green, the
practice putting green. It's it's free, it's easy to figure out.
It's a way to compete with the kid that lets
them do it. Because hitting a golf ball is so
difficult for anybody, and and you know, it's so easy
to get discouraged by hitting a golf ball. But if putting,
if you can fall in love with putting as a
little kid and it just becomes a second nature to you,
then everything else opens up for you.
Speaker 3: That's right. And then when you search for an instruct instructor,
find someone that really really enjoys teaching young people that
that's that they have a passion for it, because they'll
be patient and they won't overload them, and they won't
it won't be don't do that and don't do this,
It'll be it'll be taught positively. Most PGA professionals have
some idea about this, but there's a lot of people
that are not PGA professionals that are wonderful teachers. You've
got to be real careful with that first one. And
the reason I say this with June, her parents came
to me and said, will you teach her daughter? And
by the way, she hates golf. And I said, why
doesn't she hate golf? Well, she had a lesson and
she just couldn't do it. She couldn't hold the club,
she just couldn't do it. So I sat her down
and I said, I understand you really don't like golf.
She says, no, it's too hard. I said, well, how
about if I give you a lesson and then you
make a determination if you want to continue, and she
said okay, and we hit it off. And I knew
what to do with her because I've done this enough
to know what to do. And now if you ask
her the question, what do you think about golf, she says,
I love golf. And so it's, you know, it's that
initial moment when someone is helping them that they understand
that this is such a great game and you can
really do this, and you have to instill those feelings.
And it can't be penal, especially in the SOTY. I
should never be penal number one. But you just can't.
You can't make them worry about performance. Initially, it's like
a dance. I'm teaching you a dance, and we all
look a little funnier, and we dance, and I always
do a little dance and they laugh and and we
break the eye sole. I really caution people this. First
of all, this is one of the greatest games a
young person could learn. For business, for pleasure, for a
social you meet quality people. So get your kids on
the golf course, get them playing this great game. But
make sure that, like going to a doctor, pickoff someone
that that that knows what they're doing. Don't be looking
for a bargain basement deal. If you're if you're in
palm desert, and the deal's real good because it doesn't
cost you anything.
Speaker 2: Go to donuts.
Speaker 3: You know a thousand kids are going. But no, I
you know, I have a rule. I always have had
that rule. I won't charge up until about six ten
years old, and really sixteen, I can't. I just can't
do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I, well, it's very generous with you.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that's it's my time. I can do
what I want with it. Really, that's how I feel
about it. And I promise you I get as much
out of as they do. You know. You know, as
I tell my students, when you're generous, you get a
lot more than the person you're giving to. And that's
what I can tell you. That should be written in stone.
And I really believe that. And when I even comes
as shows Up or June or whoever I'm teaching, and
I can't wait, I'm chomping at the bit. And that's
how you should be. I'm not special. That's the way
you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Well, if anybody ever is considering taking a lesson from
Tony or wanted to take him up on this offer
about you're under sixteen years old, do me the favor.
If you're going to book time for your child with
book an hour for yourself too. I mean, give the
guy something, throw a bone. You can both go out
and get a lesson. He's not going to charge you
for your kid, but let him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Anyway that you should know is that Tony has a
book and an accompanying DVD that the only place you
can find these are on Tony's website and at golfsmarter
dot com.
Speaker 1: It really is?
Speaker 2: Is that still true?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So the book is called The Loss Fundamental One Simple
Move Better Golf Forever. And then there's a complimentary DVD
called The Lost Fundamental. You can buy as a combo
or you can buy individually whatever you'd like, but please
go to golf Smarter dot com or go to the
golf Smarter app. You can purchase it right off of
the app, the free app that we now have for
both Apple and Android, and you can buy it from
there and Tony will send it to you directly. Order
comes to me, but I send it to Tony and
he sends it out. I don't fulfill it, but you
should really consider it's not a thick book. It's an
effective book and it's same with the DVD and check
out on our When you're in the app, go into
videos and find Ben Hogan's Secret Revealed to find the
video that Tony and I did together. Tony, I have
based on the things that we've already discussed. I had
so many more questions that I want to get into
details on swing mechanics, which I don't do a lot,
but I trust you there's some questions that I have
and some things that you said, you know, like when
you talked about when you were under pressure you hooked
the ball that to me is absolutely fascinating. So can
we spend some more time doing a member's only episode?
Absolutely awesome. All right, Tony, we're going to do this
again for at least another thirty minutes, starting in just
a moment. All right, thank you very much. I really
I really enjoy talking to you, and I'm so glad
you're back on the show.