WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.080 Here he comes out, hunk. He's like, you know, give me, 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:07.879 give me anybody. I'll take anybody on and uh, you 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.359 know the end of the look at his face is like, 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:12.800 oh shit. 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:17.839 It's the Golden Age. I'll tell you me tongue. 6 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.600 Rocha then like the fantasy. 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:25.679 Sat in the Rafield History the gold. 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.640 And tell me Dewie. 9 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:33.159 From Megabucks to the Mega Powers A SummerSlam nineteen eighty eight, 10 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.479 right here on the Golden Era Podcast with Sean Mooney, Sean, 11 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.159 where is your little, you know, little dab of cream 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:41.479 to make sure you don't burn at the beach? 13 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:47.119 Oh yeah, well I'll tell you where I am. You 14 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.119 always need but yeah, out. 15 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.560 In Arizona we would be eighty degrees here next week. 16 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.719 But yeah. 17 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:58.399 It was definitely warm at Madison Square Garden in nineteen 18 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.799 eighty eight for US Summer a Slam, and it was 19 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.879 It's special to me, as you know, Steve, this was 20 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.680 my first pay per view event. I hadn't been with 21 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:15.959 a company very long. I'd kind of gotten my feet 22 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.760 wet as they say that, you know, in the event center, 23 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:25.239 performing horribly. I was trying to figure out this business 24 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:29.120 at the time, and I remember I was a wreck 25 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:29.959 going into this. 26 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.599 I mean, come on, you're not too long before that. 27 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.439 I was barely on TV and then here I'd been, 28 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.480 you know, I'd been a fire hose of you know, 29 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.000 learning and trying to take it all in. And then 30 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.359 you're going to be going to Madison Square Garden and 31 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.159 it's not it's it's a it's live right going out 32 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:59.319 to all these people. So I I and I wasn't 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.120 really privy to what was going to be going on 34 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.040 in this thing. I knew the matches and that kind 35 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.400 of thing, but I didn't know what my place would be. 36 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.919 And too had some pretty good. 37 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.439 Interviews as far as what you that they trusted me 38 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.960 to do, especially with the Ultimate Warrior as we'll talk about, 39 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:22.280 but it was it was special to me for a 40 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.560 number of reasons, and certainly at the top of that 41 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.479 is that, you know, this is where I was really 42 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.879 put to the test and could I could I do it? 43 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.919 So yeah, this is And then and for the company too, 44 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.919 I mean there was a lot going on at the time. 45 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:42.000 They already established some of these big events, but to 46 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.000 add this one and and do it in New York City, 47 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.360 I knew it was very important events as well they 48 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:53.240 wanted to see. It wasn't in anybody's mind thinking it 49 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.479 was going to be a one off. I really think 50 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.240 you know, everybody knew, Okay, you know, we're doing this, 51 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.719 and now we're going to have it was like seasonal 52 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.039 became seasonal. We had these events, you know, WrestleMania would 53 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.159 kind of be the way it would all come together 54 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.080 at the end of whatever that see that we begin again. 55 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.520 I guess springtime, right, yeah. 56 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.360 Royal Rumble and all the you know, as we started 57 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:21.960 to have those, and it's funny today because they. 58 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:21.400 Have them every month. 59 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.800 Back then, it just seemed that we just finished one 60 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.319 and I, oh my, oh my god, I'm going to 61 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:32.000 start this other one. So but it was a really 62 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.879 exciting times, especially in the world professional wrestling and what 63 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:39.120 Vince McMahon was doing. And but as we saw in 64 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:42.000 this one, there was still a lot of rough edges, 65 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:42.960 which we'll get into. 66 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.639 Yes, that was the first thing I noticed when I 67 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:49.960 was watching on this because it's the opening of SummerSlam 68 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.599 and you see virtual counting money and it's very very 69 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.800 crude editing of the megabudget of the Mega Powers in 70 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:00.560 them kind of doing their thing flexing counting money Andre 71 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.560 looking strong. But when you have commentary like Gorilla Monson 72 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:08.719 and Superstar Billy Graham, it really stands out to me 73 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.280 as a wrestling fan because you're like, I don't recall 74 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.240 this group. You always remember Gorilla or Jesse. This is 75 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.360 a different one. Now. You personally worked with Superstar Billy 76 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:23.360 Graham on a few events. What was your personal relationship 77 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.199 like with him? But would you think of him being 78 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.360 on the first Summer Slam doing commentary because that's like 79 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.360 a Trivia night question later on if you're going to go. 80 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:38.480 Out, yeah that you know, Superstar and I work together 81 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:43.160 more than I mean a lot of events along with Alfred. 82 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.600 We were, you know, a three man team that would 83 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.199 regularly do the Garden shows. And when I say that 84 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.680 Madison Square Garden, that we'd also do Boston and we 85 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.800 would go up there and do these events. And I 86 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.560 really loved the Superstar he was was really gracious to me, 87 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:07.839 very you know, good helping me, you know, become educated. 88 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:12.800 And you know, at that point in time, he was 89 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.079 pretty broken down. 90 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.319 I mean he was later in his career. 91 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.079 He wasn't going into the ring, and I I just 92 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.120 remember that he had a lot of hip issues at 93 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.560 you know, he was walking around with a cane and 94 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:31.399 you know, had mobile issues getting getting around. But as 95 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.480 far as you know, working together, he was great. I 96 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:39.560 really loved him. And but as far as as a 97 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.399 commentator goes, he was he was pretty much that real 98 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.879 old school where you just you would just pump in 99 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.439 and you know, like, oh, that was a great whatever 100 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.399 it is, you know, and instead of providing some layers 101 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.639 or or some you know, levity to it, or you know, 102 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:02.279 going more than that. And so I think you look 103 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.040 back there and I think he got a lot of 104 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.160 criticism for his his commentary because I think it was 105 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.759 kind of that feel of, you know, the old TV 106 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.639 studio kind of commentary. And this was before I remember, 107 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:23.480 this is before the announced teams really started to you know, 108 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.680 work together. As far as Jesse and Vince becoming what 109 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:29.639 I always thought, and I've said it before, a very 110 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:34.000 good team together. I love that dynamic between them and 111 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.600 the banter and Jesse being able to put the boots 112 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.160 to Vince all the time, and and and that he 113 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.519 could you know, switch gears or there would be it 114 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:48.759 was a different dynamic between him and Gorilla. And then 115 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.439 eventually we would see that the team of Gorilla and Bobby, 116 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:57.360 which to me, you know, nothing really compares. But that 117 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.360 wasn't really you know, Bobby's gig, main thing going and 118 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.360 had not really established himself as what he would become 119 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:11.120 with his value to the w WE. So there they're 120 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:18.480 still experimenting and uh, you know, uh, Vince, this was 121 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.000 a really special event to him. I don't think he 122 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.560 wanted to be necessarily featured as the as the main 123 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:33.079 commentator for it, and so that's how that team came together. Uh, 124 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:37.360 Gorilla and Superstar had worked together before, and other things 125 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.240 you know that maybe weren't necessarily uh you know, big 126 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.160 fanfare or where they've got a lot of play for it. 127 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.720 But yeah, it was it wasn't to me, it wasn't 128 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.160 terrible by any stretch. 129 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.240 Uh. You know, Superster could do, could do, you know, 130 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.759 great calling matches. It's just that we were we were 131 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:02.120 already starting to see this transition to what announced teams 132 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:07.439 would become at the WWE, and that matchup was really 133 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.680 was definitely old school. So you really did have that 134 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:15.480 feel that you know, the old TV studio or very 135 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:21.000 small arena with the with the metal chairs, you know, so. 136 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:23.480 That's kind of the. 137 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.920 Way I felt about it. It was it wasn't terrible, 138 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.680 but it certainly wasn't. I mean, I didn't I didn't 139 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:35.080 see Superstar becoming you know, part of this, you know 140 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.039 this group that we were going to continue to use 141 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:37.720 all the time. 142 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:42.480 You know, Yeah, Vin'ce loved bringing wrestlers randomly and Bruce 143 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.039 commentary for a little while. Obviously you had Macha Man, 144 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.559 Piper the Anvil, Hockey talk Man, Sean Michaels and ninety four, 145 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.720 Like there's always a group of wrestlers he just brings 146 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.720 in randomly. I think, because if they're so good at talking, 147 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.279 they should be good at talking about other wrestlers. But 148 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:01.279 sometimes I think it's more difficult to discussed someone else's 149 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.000 attributes than yourself. Obviously, you can put yourself over. When 150 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.960 you have to talk about other people on commentary, it's 151 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.919 very different. And I want to say something too, is 152 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.000 he doesn't get enough credit Superstar Billy Graham. That is 153 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.960 because you listen to the way he speaks, you hear 154 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.200 so many different wrestlers like wait a minute, oh, wait 155 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:25.120 a minute, the way he's phrasing words, using daddy, the 156 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.720 way he's speaking and saying brother like, dude, all the 157 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:32.080 greats borrowed or stole, depending how you look at it, 158 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.440 from Superstar Billy Graham. 159 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:39.320 Yes, absolutely, and he was also uh in you know, 160 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:46.080 Hulked many times credited Superstar Billy Graham as one of 161 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.600 the biggest influences. He wanted to be just like him, 162 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.759 and also Jesse. You know, Jesse was you know, just 163 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.159 I don't know how at least in the initial beginning 164 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:02.039 of his career. He was basically a total knockoff of 165 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:06.320 Superstar Billy Graham, but they weren't the only two, You're right. 166 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.200 Superstar set a standard he and he. 167 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.840 Was unique really of the first you know, there were 168 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:20.480 other muscle men in in uh in wrestling, but nothing 169 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.879 like what he would do with the you know, the 170 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.759 tye die and uh and he was already doing the 171 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.360 kerchiefs and. 172 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.559 And and his different colors. 173 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:36.120 Yeah, yeah, different colors, and and his rap that he had. 174 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.080 H'm you know, I'm sure Dusty stole some of that too, 175 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.519 from you know, I mean, they all did, and you're right, 176 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:47.519 he never really got the credit that that he deserved. 177 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:50.519 As far as you know, he he started an entire different, 178 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:57.000 you know lineup of of of wrestlers that would you know, 179 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.320 take a little piece from watching what he did and 180 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.240 with his pros and you know the whole posing thing, 181 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:10.120 you know, where the Hulkster definitely took that in and 182 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:14.519 where it wasn't just you know, you saw muscled guys, 183 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.960 right who had good physiques and obviously they worked out, 184 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.799 but then you didn't see these guys that were just 185 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:27.120 you know, massively cut with the help of science, as 186 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:34.039 I say, to the extreme, but absolutely and you know 187 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.840 Superstar was was you know, led the way. He was 188 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:45.919 a truly unique personality and set the stage for many 189 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.279 many wrestlers to come and still influence today. I mean 190 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.759 there there are you know, I'm sure people can go 191 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.200 back and they look at that stuff and you're going 192 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.759 to see, you know, a band. He was doing it 193 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:04.080 back then and really owned that stage. He paid him 194 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.240 a terrible price for it because in the end, you know, 195 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.840 his body was just a wreck. And even when I 196 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:15.879 worked with him, you know he had issues because of 197 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:18.919 not only the way he performed at the ring, but 198 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:23.000 you know from what he put into his body, right. 199 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.279 Yeah it's true too, but yeah, he know he I's 200 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.559 a DVD that came out like twenty years ago. Now 201 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.960 they did a documentary about him. The WWF did that 202 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:34.000 is and very well done. And again it really shows 203 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.879 you that a lot of people borrowed from him, and 204 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.440 so the other characters took what they got from him, 205 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.600 they made it bigger and larger. So if anyone saw 206 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.480 the difference, he'd be like, oh, well, Holman's not copy 207 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.720 and superstat Billy Graham if anything, And Billy Graham's copy 208 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:48.440 and O Coody. 209 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:52.879 Doesn't work that way history. 210 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.080 Yeah, and they and they admitted, I know, you know, 211 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.279 Jesse's talked about him many times, his influence, and same 212 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:01.799 with the whole Sure, that's you know. 213 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.440 That's what the actors, that's what the actresses, musicians, it's 214 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.840 it's not like you stole, it's like you were inspired. 215 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.000 So now you're borrowing from certain people, certain jokes, stand 216 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.879 up comedians, all that stuff. So it's nothing new, it's 217 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.879 nothing new in wrestling. This Summer Slim is new. It's 218 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.399 the first ever Summer Slam headlined by Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, 219 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.799 Miss Elizabeth, Jesse, Ventour onto the Giant, Lindel the Man 220 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.240 I Guess Virgil too. So the Mega Bucks versus the 221 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:37.159 mega powers. Now this is you gotta get the the 222 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:42.399 hen chake. We don't know how to shake you, you know. 223 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.240 And I and you see these you know, the Baxters. 224 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.440 Well when they go in the ring and uh, Randy's 225 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:55.840 wearing the yellow uh brief whatever you want to call it, 226 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:57.879 and you know, with the mega powers of the back. 227 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.960 And I just can't help but think of that probably 228 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.679 killed him, you know, because you weren't Hogan. Well it 229 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.759 was Hogan, it was Histy. He wasn't. 230 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.559 It wasn't the Halkster coming out with the Big Cape 231 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:11.679 or the Bengals or you. 232 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.519 Know it was and and uh, I'm sure that that 233 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.679 just was like you know, but necessary. 234 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.279 Also Randy was the realist and knew when it came 235 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.679 right down to it, that's that's what they were doing. 236 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.679 It was the mega powers and uh so. 237 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.159 But but I I that was one of the first 238 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.559 things I thought of, that that that must have just 239 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.000 killed him. It's like that he had to you know, 240 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.919 that costuming, whatever the whatever they were going to wear, 241 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.240 it was going to be all Hulkamania themed. 242 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:46.679 It certainly was. 243 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:48.840 I'll put on the tugs, but I'm not putting on 244 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.720 the bend I'm not gonna do it. 245 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.200 Wave his finger. Yeah, this one. I love the fact 246 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:00.799 that it's off the back of Hogan, Savage, Mandela Man 247 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.000 Andre because I want to travel back to WrestleMania three, 248 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.679 Hogan body Slam and Andre. From that point on, the 249 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.120 WWF business just goes up. There is no like oh, 250 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.879 business was doing okay, like no, it becomes a household name. 251 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.679 We're having wrestling buddies, we got action figures, we have 252 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:22.360 video games, board games, workout systems. It's endless in merchandise. 253 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.639 And that's what Vincent Caama will always get credit for 254 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.200 for being a promotional machine. But we have to give credit, 255 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.320 I think to Hogan and Andre. That body Slam led 256 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.159 to the birth of Surviarvys Series eighty seven, which also 257 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.960 led to them trying to screw Crockett. But then that 258 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:42.279 built up to this double referee situation, WrestleMania fours built 259 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.240 around Hogan Andre one more time in the ring. Here 260 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.639 we are again. It's been like six pay per reviews, 261 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:52.519 well four pay per views, with them headlining events, selling 262 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.120 tickets and putting butts in the seats. Can you describe 263 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.759 to me how important Andre and ho Cogan was to 264 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:04.279 just wrestling, but the w business. 265 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.000 Oh no, no question about it. You know, I think 266 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:13.759 if you talk about pinnacle moments that you know, launched 267 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.159 the WWE to what it would become even today. 268 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.159 That was a slam heard around the universe. It wasn't 269 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:22.759 just I mean. 270 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:23.360 It just. 271 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:26.600 Changed everything. 272 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:32.039 And I can't imagine, you know, two other personalities that 273 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:33.960 you could have put into the ring where you could 274 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.960 have made that happen. People probably you know, you could 275 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.919 come up with other superstars, other personalities that did great, 276 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:44.720 But I you know, I couldn't have seen like a 277 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:45.519 Rick Flair in. 278 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:47.360 There doing that. You know, it was. 279 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:56.279 This Hulka mania and uh and this giant of this 280 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:01.159 icon in professional wrestling. They really wonder of the world 281 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.079 when it came down to it and pulled it off 282 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:12.799 perfectly and in front of a crowd like that, just 283 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.680 everything about it. And you know, Terry would say how 284 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.519 that slam ruined his body forever he. 285 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:23.200 Everybody knows. 286 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.680 Okay, it's a work and Andre had to cooperate when 287 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.119 you go up when you weigh five hundred pounds. But 288 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.880 the Holkster said, you know that that his back was 289 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.720 a wreck after that and they were working every day 290 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.359 and never had any time to take care of it. 291 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.559 But it was worth the price overall when it came 292 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.640 down to it, because my god, look what happened from 293 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:54.039 that point on, and I mean really professional wrestling was 294 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.759 never the same again. And then you had a promoter 295 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:02.640 like Vince McMahon who had that vision, uh, you know, 296 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:06.400 the the you think about it. We've all had great 297 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.359 ideas when we want to do these things, you know, everybody, 298 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:17.400 but the obsession and the idea that you know, they 299 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:20.319 always say the you know, failure is not an option. 300 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.960 There's nobody I think on the planet who lived that 301 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:30.519 and and made it happen. Then Vince McMahon, I you know, 302 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:36.720 look where the business was barely five years even before 303 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:41.400 that ten you know, ten years absolutely it was you know, 304 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.279 the way it was divided up, and you're still seeing 305 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.559 these small little shows and suddenly it is a world 306 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:52.519 event and every and then to have that that foresight, 307 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.160 that that vision of saying, Okay, this is going to 308 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:01.319 happen and then we're going to uh take full advantage 309 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:06.359 and then start having not just these house shows across 310 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.079 the United States, which like how dare you? And then 311 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.079 then on top of you, We're going to have these 312 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.119 other more world events taking place four times a year 313 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.680 where people are going to pay money to have it 314 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.599 brought to their living room or they're going to go 315 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.039 down to their favorite pub or whatever it is and 316 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.519 they get to watch it, like. 317 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.119 Who does you know? How do you even see that? 318 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:38.960 And it's all happening very quickly, within a couple of years, 319 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.400 and it's it's just incredible to think. 320 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.440 I remember, you know, being there and thinking like. 321 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.920 What how do they keep coming up with this stuff 322 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.039 that we that you know that you can't and being 323 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.799 in the event center and them bringing all this stuff 324 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.559 in and these house shows and as we'll talk about 325 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:05.720 schedule this event for Summer Slam at Madison Square Garden, 326 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:11.200 well sure it was a big event, but nobody realizes 327 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.480 that in the meantime, all these guys are on the road. 328 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.319 We've talked about the what the formula was back then 329 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.559 was that guys, the boys made their living going to 330 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.440 house shows. They would go and get their percentage of 331 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.720 what they would make dependent on the gate how many 332 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.839 people showed up. And as this thing kept getting bigger 333 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.839 and bigger, those house shows they're doing, you know, twelve 334 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:44.160 to sixteen thousand people a night at some of these places. 335 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:46.880 So when they're doing they're like, well, we got to 336 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.759 do more. At one point and I think by the 337 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.039 time of Summer Slam eighty eight, they were doing three 338 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.799 tours across the country. 339 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:01.279 Now you've got I don't know, maybe. 340 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.680 Sixty or something superstars, you've that you're that are going around. 341 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:06.519 You got an A AT, B and a C tour 342 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:13.200 and you're doing shows. You're here, You're in the ring 343 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.759 probably eight to ten times in a week sometimes, and 344 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:21.440 these guys are going and they end up they had 345 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.920 to be at this pay per view for you know, SummerSlam. 346 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.000 It was just for them and many it was just 347 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.960 another house show, a big one. 348 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.039 But you have to. 349 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.119 Understand that that that's the way the machine was grinding. 350 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.920 And Vince knew, you know, maybe in the back of 351 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:43.920 his mind he didn't know if there's going to be 352 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:45.799 a dip or if this is going to take off, 353 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:46.960 it's going to keep going. 354 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:53.160 But it was just push push push, push, go go go, and. 355 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.359 Uh, you know, this was an event and it was 356 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.400 as I said before going into it, it was like 357 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.519 they were saying, we'll see how it goes. This is 358 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:05.400 already in his head that this is okay, this is 359 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.039 we're going to be doing four of these a year. Uh. 360 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.519 And so that wasn't to say, you know, see how 361 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:13.519 it does, and and it did really well. 362 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.440 I mean the numbers on this were great. 363 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:17.359 Yeah, I want to bring up that house. 364 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:20.039 Show four hundred thousand buys or something. 365 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:22.440 Ye, yes, let me just bring up this house she 366 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:24.720 brought the house shows. I'll mention it. So the day 367 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.759 before SummerSlam, Summer sims on a Monday, by the way, 368 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.920 So the day before it's a weekend. You have Toronto 369 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:35.920 A Show, b Show, Montreal, and Sea Show Indiana. So 370 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.519 all these wrestlers who are on going to be on 371 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:40.960 the show on these house shows need to get to 372 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.839 now New York City the day or the next day 373 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.039 to make it to SummerSlam. You have Toronto A Show, 374 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.319 Hogo Versus Bad News, Brown, Montreal B Show, Savage re 375 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:56.799 Ass Dino, Bravo, Se Show, Bruce Pecake versus Hercules. Well, 376 00:22:58.039 --> 00:22:59.079 Brugus was pretty popular. 377 00:22:59.119 --> 00:22:59.799 There were big names. 378 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:01.319 But you know, if you're in a and if you're 379 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:03.680 in a small town somewhere, which so those guys have played, 380 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.039 you know, some of these smaller venues. You're pretty excited 381 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.160 that Brutus Beefcakes come into town and then Birk So yeah, 382 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.559 and they and that's the way they played. 383 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.799 That, you know. 384 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:20.160 That, And it was you know, based on uh, you know, 385 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:24.119 the whole business was based on a carnival card in 386 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.920 a sense where if you got on that a tour 387 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.599 with Hulk, you know, you were one of the top 388 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.960 superstars and and and because you know if he's there, 389 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.240 that gate's going to be big and you get a 390 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:38.799 piece of that. 391 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:41.680 So yeah, you want to be in that tour. 392 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.000 But at the same time, if you go to these 393 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.519 uh you know, your these smaller venues and you're they're 394 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.119 putting four or five thousand people there, that's a hell 395 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.720 of a lot more of these guys who ever used 396 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.440 to doing. Many of these guys on those tours, so 397 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.519 they were happy to be there. And and then you 398 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.240 would you work your ass off because you'd hope you'd 399 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:03.359 get elevated. 400 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.440 So that's that's kind of the way that work. But 401 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:10.319 it was just. 402 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:15.200 Exhausting and to go there and then this is a 403 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.000 huge event, but nobody else knows that you've been on 404 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.640 the road for three weeks without a day off but 405 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:24.799 you got to keep you got to keep finding a 406 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.880 way to do it and get out there. 407 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.160 Yeah, the circus never stops. The no, keep on keeping going, 408 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.720 I guess with three circuses going around. But yeah, you 409 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.000 brought it up. The buyer rates too, is all right? 410 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.039 This pay per view did four hundred thousand buys. Okay, 411 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:46.039 WrestleMania four did four hundred and eighty five thousand buys, 412 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.519 all right, talk about eighty five thousand different to me, 413 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.119 that's not but of a dip because we are WrestleMania 414 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.839 is a non name, a known brand, a commodity some 415 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.240 of simese brand news, but it's attached to the brand WWF. 416 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.200 So it really shows you that it doesn't matter right 417 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.559 now what we do. If we put the w w 418 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.119 F logo on it, we're gonna make money. 419 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.359 Yeah, absolutely, And it showed it showed you that people 420 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.960 were hungry. Uh, it's it's it's funny to think now 421 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.200 where you would go, Uh, you know, is it going 422 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.000 to be too much? You know we're going to get 423 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:22.039 you know that we need to spread this out more. 424 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.359 And they quickly found out no, they they'll take everything 425 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.039 you give them. And that's when they started to take 426 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.400 full advantage. I'm surprised that they didn't, that that model 427 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.839 really didn't change for a very long time where they 428 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.839 didn't do more. But I loved it because it gave 429 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.240 us an opportunity to really build up these storylines to 430 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:51.480 where you got to the point where it's like, I 431 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.839 gotta have it. You got to give me, I gotta 432 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.640 see what happens here and and wrap it up and 433 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.200 then either you know, start some thing that would carry on, 434 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.720 or you give them the finish and you could move 435 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:09.200 on from there. So I thought of the the timing 436 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:13.839 of those events and where they were apart were perfect. 437 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.880 You know, I think that we could really do a 438 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.839 lot in between. And then of course the machine is 439 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:27.039 rolling because all these house shows. Yeah, and it was 440 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:33.160 a gigantic promotional tool. Superstars and Challenges said that we 441 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.079 didn't really ever give anybody anything for free. You got 442 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.039 to see these guys, but the whole purpose of that 443 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:43.319 wasn't necessarily to drive people to pay per view. It 444 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.319 was to get them to the house shows when we 445 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.039 came to town and we were everywhere, and no one 446 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.039 knew that better than me, you know, sitting in that 447 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:58.839 chair every day, customizing all of these markets, and I 448 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:01.640 just kept thinking, like, how can we how can we 449 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.240 keep doing this? At one point I think I did. 450 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.759 It was you know, ninety three different events or that 451 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:11.799 we were, you know, cities and stuff that we were 452 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.039 promoting at one time. You know, they were you know, 453 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.920 spread out, and remember I told you how I would 454 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:17.480 do these, you know. 455 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.960 Three weeks from tonight or you know, whatever it was. 456 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.799 But we'd get the you know, and everything was we 457 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.200 didn't have the computers and they would come over in sheets, 458 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.720 you know. Howard was in charge of all that and 459 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:37.160 kept track of it, and it was overwhelming. It would 460 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.519 take me four solid days of doing one after another 461 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:46.039 of these events just to get caught up, and then 462 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:48.880 you know, there would be something else. I'd be shooting 463 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.640 coliseum or whoever. But it was four solidays in that 464 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:56.799 studio doing it over and over and over again, and 465 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.799 something would happen and then I have to change the 466 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.359 car or whatever, and then. 467 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.480 Then we in the. 468 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.519 Meantime, we'd be plugging an upcoming pay per view, which 469 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.359 was also part of it. 470 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.799 So yeah, at the time, it was. 471 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:20.519 Here where we're talking, it's eighty eight and uh, it's 472 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.920 coming together, but we're still ways. 473 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:28.160 Away from what the w W would become. 474 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:35.720 And it also showed Steve the network influence that you 475 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:40.119 started to really see here. And I've spoken before about 476 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.960 you know, Vince's idea of bringing other people in. 477 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.039 He wanted our programming to look. 478 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.599 As good as network sports. That was really important to him. 479 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.319 And so in any you know, machine would come out 480 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.079 that did some kind of special effect with you know, 481 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:05.799 the video or what they got it, and that was 482 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.359 an edit one and they had some you know, brilliant people, 483 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.680 and there Kevin Quinn. I don't know if he's ever 484 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.440 really been talked about much, but he was his kid, 485 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.559 uh editor in there, and of course, you know, initially 486 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:24.359 it was Kevin Dunn and Larry Rosen was the audio 487 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.400 guy in there, and it was this small team and 488 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.839 these guys did all of. 489 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:32.880 This and that was it. And I also want to 490 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:35.119 wish I want to mention too, we. 491 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:41.119 Should mention Kerwin, Sophie's who passed away recently here and 492 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:46.960 and uh, you know, Kerwin was the director for for 493 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:53.359 decades and never I don't think he ever really got 494 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.400 the credit for what not only what he did for 495 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.519 the live events, but Kerwin had a tremendous influence on 496 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:05.400 what we did with our other programming as well. And uh, 497 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.519 just an awesome guy, I mean really and a great 498 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.160 sense of humor. And he didn't come from the world 499 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.680 of wrestling. He was another guy that Vince you know, 500 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.160 brought in and uh didn't have a huge role first 501 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.000 coming in, but then became essential and would was that 502 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.960 way for decades. And I really I tried to get 503 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.559 him on the podcast The Prime Table show me a 504 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:34.240 few times. 505 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:34.880 I seen it. 506 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.279 I saw him at whenever I would go to uh, 507 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.599 you know shows or something that invite me in, I 508 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.720 always would find him. And because I just love the guy. 509 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.839 He was great and I would always say, come on, 510 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.319 you gotta gotta come on. You've got some great stories 511 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:53.039 and uh. He he did do some interviews with the 512 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.359 w W for some of their docs, but he was 513 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.279 just not comfortable. It's like, you know what I'm done, 514 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.960 When I'm done, Will will do it. And I just 515 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.200 regret I never never got him in front of that microphone, 516 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:11.240 because you know, we I saw it all happening and uh, 517 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.839 and and I really wanted to give him credit for 518 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:20.440 you know what he did, so but at that time 519 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:25.119 it was a very small crew Steve that that put 520 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.920 this this all together. And my point is that it 521 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.920 you mentioned the greens, there's a green screen there that 522 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.000 wasn't sharp. 523 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:36.920 Or wherever it's it was. 524 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.519 It was the the beginnings of really becoming what the 525 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.359 product would look like. And and I felt at one point, 526 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.960 I mean, we were they were watching what we were doing. 527 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.119 The networks were watching what we were doing and copying 528 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.839 what we were doing at these shows with their opens 529 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.720 and the excitement that would you know, be generated before 530 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.880 you went to that opening shot of the arena and 531 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.319 Howard you know, counting people in to you know, when 532 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.839 we're going live and that pop. You know, you wouldn't 533 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.200 do that at a right at a at a football 534 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.880 in an NFL game or something to work to tell 535 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.720 the audience show, Okay, we're going live and you know 536 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.440 five four three. 537 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.079 But we could do that because people do that. 538 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.440 You're part of the show, You're part of this, and 539 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:32.559 but people, you know, they it added to everything we 540 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.319 did there those early shows. If you go back and look, 541 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.359 you know sports was it was always centered on the ring. 542 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.640 It was kind of you know, the boxing mentality where 543 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.519 you had everything was focused. The lighting would be on 544 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.359 the ring, the arena would be dark with the crowd. Well, 545 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.839 w w E changed all that. Chris Chambers, as you know, 546 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:02.039 we're doing episodes with him and backstories, and Chris was 547 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.279 one of those guys that was in on all these 548 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.640 innovations that the WWE was doing at the time, and 549 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.440 and talks about you know the signage. Well, you know 550 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.480 most at most sporting events, you know, people they don't 551 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.160 want you to have a sign because you're gonna block 552 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:25.960 somebody's view or right, Well they invited it was because 553 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.559 it was this interaction of bringing the crowd into it. 554 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.519 So there was so many things going on, and every 555 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.599 time they did one of these pay per view events, 556 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:44.200 we learned something. And as you said, the green screen 557 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:48.400 screen was kind of a new technology then it was 558 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:49.039 was it? 559 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:50.880 It was out there. I did all the events cre 560 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:51.559 in green screen. 561 00:33:52.119 --> 00:34:00.599 Uh yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, folks, but you say, yeah, 562 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.079 that's the way it was. It was a green screen. 563 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.240 I was sitting at a desk and there's this green 564 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:10.280 screen behind me, like the weather guide. But it wasn't 565 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:17.360 perfected at that point. And so some of those interviews 566 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.559 with Jeane because he was in a different set I 567 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.880 was in the real set, the set that was the 568 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.880 locker room set. So my stuff is going to look 569 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.239 better because that when you're trying to set that up 570 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.800 in an arena, you know, and it's to this day. 571 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.280 When you do green screen, the lighting has to be 572 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:39.679 very even. 573 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:40.920 It doesn't have to be perfect. 574 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.119 You can use different kinds of lights in that gut, 575 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.320 but it has to be even. And if it isn't, 576 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.480 and you get shadows or wrinkles or something, and when 577 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.320 they put it in, especially back then, it would tear, 578 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.239 I guess is the best way to describe it. So 579 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.800 you would see through it or or be another piece 580 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.719 of video that would show through it, and it was 581 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.679 or the edges you'd see, you know, around people's heads 582 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.719 would be you know this white when when they move. 583 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.000 It's kind of like those stupid things that people do. 584 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:10.920 Now with the. 585 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.920 Do this now yeah yeah yeah. 586 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:23.280 But then yeah yeah right, yeah. 587 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.199 It's so, but it was it was early technology. There. 588 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.079 The point I wanted to make is that you know, 589 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.599 Vince was not just wanted his product to be great. 590 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.639 You know that people would want to see these guys 591 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.880 in the ring, that the personalities and the superstars, but the. 592 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:42.559 Look of it. 593 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.039 He wanted to change as well, and that's when he 594 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.400 was bringing people in from the network, and that's why 595 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.719 I mentioned that network influence. Well, this was still the 596 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.400 early days of that, but you can see that things 597 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.400 were changing and and for the better as far as 598 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.679 how we how these events took place. And it was 599 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.679 important because Vince wanted to get rid of that old 600 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.920 view of you know, seeing stuff in TV studios and 601 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.920 basically high school type environments and. 602 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.239 Hell, kbuck in. 603 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.039 Madison Square Garden packed to the rafters. This was a 604 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.719 whole new world for professional wrestling fans. 605 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.719 Yeah, you're right, And bring up the green screen for 606 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.480 a minute where you go to Mean Gene in the 607 00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.199 Megapowers and you know they're ramped up, they're clearly on 608 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:44.480 something and they're just having a blast, but each one 609 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.960 is trying to get the last word in as they're talking. 610 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.360 And then the green screen is just bleeding out because 611 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.679 the camp they're two big, So take a wide shot 612 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.719 you can see the edges of it. It looks I'm sorry, 613 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.199 but it looks really really bad. And then later on 614 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.000 when you go the Honky Tonk Man being interviewed before 615 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.320 his match by me and gene. They did close ups, 616 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.159 they realized like, okay, that was bleeding. That was a problem. 617 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.679 We need to fix this. So Hockey got like this 618 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.119 nice close up MCU of him, so he looked much better. 619 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.880 So they're learning even on the fly on pay per view, 620 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.679 going okay, that was bad. That looked really bad. Let's 621 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.480 fix this. And so but we go to you with 622 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.800 Opening a Warrior after he wins the Inner Continenthole title. Backstage, Yeah, 623 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:28.920 you're just in a locker room, so you have no 624 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.079 issues with that. I do want to talk about that later, 625 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.960 but first I want to bring up the itsy bitsy 626 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.440 teeny weeny yellow Poka Dappa Kini that we were promised 627 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.280 for weeks and months building to this matchup where Machu 628 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.280 Man challenge Andre Imlin de Laman for a tag team 629 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.280 match at Summer Slam. They accept. Obviously, they don't know 630 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.000 who the partner is going to be because Hogan's away, 631 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.360 his daughter was just born, he's away filming No Holds Bar, 632 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.840 so he's not on TV that much. But they report 633 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.639 that Jock Tunney has announced that Jesse the Body of 634 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.679 Ra is going to be the special guest referee for 635 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.559 this matchup because he's the only man who can lay 636 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.400 down the law for both teams. So I kind of 637 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.039 want to talk about two things here jessevn Tora. Why 638 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.039 would he be added to this matchup? I get it, like, oh, 639 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.440 he is on TV, he's a character. He doesn't like Hogan, 640 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.599 so will he side with the million Dollar Man like 641 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.119 another storyline in this matchup? But why do you think 642 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.039 he needed to be added to just give this match 643 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:36.639 more Gaga? 644 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.400 Yeah, well, I think you just said it there, just 645 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:46.400 added added to it. And you know there was no 646 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.079 love lost between the two. And even if you're talking 647 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.039 about as a work work, you know, Jesse always put 648 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.719 the boots to the Hulkster, you know as always that 649 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:04.199 he wasn't by it comedia and uh so you know, to. 650 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.039 Have that element in there, and then. 651 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.360 You know that well, you know, Jesse has been in 652 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.880 the ring, and so he knows all the tricks of 653 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.480 the trade here and he might pull some fast you know, 654 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.480 uh Shenanigan's here and and knowing Jesse, he'll be able 655 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:28.159 to justify it somehow because he always did when in 656 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.719 his commentary. 657 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.000 So and and also. 658 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.800 Vince putting Jesse over whether whether or not you know, 659 00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.519 I think it was begrudgingly because I think you know, personally, 660 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.440 you know, it was always business to Vince, But at 661 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.800 the same time it drove him crazy that Jesse kind 662 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.159 of had that the attitude of really I. 663 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.039 Could, well, I'll walk tomorrow, I don't care. 664 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.239 And and and Vince knew it it was, you know, 665 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.280 but he also they also were started starting to see, 666 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.480 you know that Jesse was over, you know that there's 667 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.079 an announcer and and uh, you know, and and really 668 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.079 was helping the company. 669 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.280 So uh, it was The Predator too, so that I 670 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:17.840 just want to make sure everyone understands he was in 671 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.039 The Predator a year before this SummerSlam. So I think 672 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.480 you're bringing it up like Adam in there, because people 673 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.320 recognize him not just from wrestling, to recognize him from 674 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.679 a hit The Predator exactly. 675 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:33.679 And uh, and you know, I don't know if it's 676 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.320 felt like we're gonna be able to keep him around 677 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.000 all the time, but I want him to keep to 678 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.760 be part of this, maybe you know, bring him into 679 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.360 the big events or whatever. 680 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:43.119 And uh. 681 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.719 And so yeah, that was a chance to profile him 682 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.920 and also add another element to this, you know, could 683 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.320 you know Jesse really be you know, call it down 684 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.239 the middle. Could he really be fair or would he 685 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.400 find a way to you know, help the other side. 686 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.719 He's here, so to speak, And so it did, you know? 687 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:04.519 It wasn't It. 688 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.280 Wasn't really to me, just a little throwing, you know, 689 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.119 But I mean you could make that work with the storyline. 690 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:13.119 I think it did, you know. 691 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.960 And I thought Jesse as a character was tremendous, you know, 692 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.639 I really did, I think. And I liked his commentary. 693 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.559 I didn't like with other people that besides Vince. He'd 694 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.679 worked great with Gorilla, But I thought him and Vince 695 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.119 were great. 696 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.440 I really did. I just thought that that dynamic was great. 697 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.079 It did work. You did accuse him in the Night 698 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.000 of SummerSlam nineteen eighty eight or a backstage interview on 699 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.320 the green screen that looked so good for you? 700 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.480 And do you ask me I always look good? 701 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:44.679 Then? 702 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.480 Well I know I always look good, even right now 703 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.199 with our new cameras. So I just want to say, 704 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.000 you look amazing right now, and I think I look 705 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:54.880 pretty good too. But with Jesse, though, you ask him like, hey, 706 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.159 so we saw some video like Mendel A man's offered 707 00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.239 you money over the past few weeks on TV. You know, 708 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.119 are you taking money? And just even Tourra kind of 709 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:05.719 he gets mad at you a little bit, but he 710 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.599 brings up like, Wellison, I'm here to be the referee 711 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.440 for this matchup. I ought to make sure that Andre 712 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.400 understands because they even tease building up this match that 713 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.400 Andre going to Jesse and like you better do the 714 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:19.519 right thing or you know, bad things are gonna happen 715 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.440 to you. Jess is like, wait a second, don't you 716 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.480 dare say that shit to me because I'm a heel 717 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.960 and you're a heel. But you're threatening me. No, no, no, 718 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.880 Like I'm still a badass. I'm still the body. Don't 719 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.079 screw with me. So there was nice elements of buildings 720 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.960 that storyline, But the other part is building that Hogan 721 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.840 and Savage have a secret weapon and it's Miss Elizabeth, 722 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:45.880 but it's her. It'sy Betsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bakini. 723 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.079 That bikini is supposed to defeat a million dollar man 724 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.159 in Andre in this matchup. It does, but it turns 725 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.440 out it's just like you know, old lady panties. I guess, 726 00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:01.039 but yeah, was macho man Like was there ever a 727 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.039 design to actually have this it'sy bitsy teeny weenie like 728 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.800 like I don't know, like a thong back or something 729 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:11.360 like really edged out there in macho man's Yeah. 730 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.760 No, yeah, yeah, that was. 731 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:22.519 I mean, come on, they're bloomers, basically granny bloomers, and 732 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.079 it wasn't like they were wanting to be wearing a 733 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.159 thong or something. Yeah, just something that would be like 734 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:39.239 a real bikini. Can you imagine, Randy, I mean, come on, Elizabeth. 735 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.519 I remember they had a poster because the aerobics thing 736 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.639 was big, and they had a post and I think 737 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.159 it was one of the top selling pieces of merchandise 738 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.239 they ever had at the time of her in this 739 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.519 aerobics outfit, you know, with the headbands or the ands, 740 00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.400 the weights in her hand or something. I remember. But uh, 741 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.360 can you imagine if they it could have been a 742 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.199 nice bikini just see you see that skin? 743 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.719 That My god. 744 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.599 I don't know why Randy, because Randy liked making money 745 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:18.400 and uh he signed off on that one. 746 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.840 But yeah, it was. 747 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.199 That was such a letdown for people, you know, to 748 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.599 see that, because it was it was even beyond what 749 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.559 people could have expected, even like a tight pair of 750 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.400 shorts would have been better or something, you know, just 751 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.559 give us, give us some, give us some some you know, 752 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.840 inside here type shorts. 753 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:51.079 But yeah, but these Boltie Bloomer things with. 754 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.760 Yeah I was and and uh yeah, and Randy, that 755 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:57.519 Randy had that. 756 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.079 Influence ruined it, damn you you know right, And. 757 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.159 I think it was It was a personal thing too. 758 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:07.840 But I think Brandy didn't want. 759 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.719 To make Elizabeth come up as like this piece of meat, 760 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.119 you know, or you know those But come on, why 761 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.239 why do you think? Why did people like Elizabeth so much? 762 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:21.079 Yeah? 763 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.840 She was sweet, she was loyal, but she was also 764 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.519 freaking beautiful, you. 765 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.480 Know, like she was hot. 766 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:33.280 And I can imagine how many teenage boys and that's 767 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:34.840 you know, we love the families then. 768 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.400 But dads were having a good times. 769 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.480 Yeah I had, they were their first crush, you know. 770 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.639 So what a missed up, what a missed opportunity? I mean, 771 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.239 come on, show a bikini, Show her in a bikini. 772 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.079 That poster is more seductive than what we saw here, because. 773 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.920 And isn't that funny how you think back now, how 774 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.119 risque that would have been. Let's say, you know, if 775 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.039 she would have you know, just dropped it in like 776 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.599 a cart one of the ring card girls or something, 777 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:15.119 you know, just like that place would have played. It 778 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:16.960 would have blown the roof off the place. That might 779 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.960 have been like the biggest spot of the whole night. 780 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:24.960 And if she did, you know, a photo shoot like that. Man, 781 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.639 I'm not saying she had to do Playboy, but man, 782 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.039 she could have done a fitness magazine in bikini or 783 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.039 something like that. It would have the amount of publicity 784 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.320 it would have gotten over that one again, phenomenal. 785 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.280 She always had the face of. 786 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.000 This missmissed opportunity. 787 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.320 Really yes, yes, but she like she just takes off 788 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.079 the bottom and then Jesse Andre, you know the man, 789 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:55.960 They're all acting like a cartoon Like God, I've never 790 00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:01.280 seen a woman wearing Bloomers. Yeah, like it was. I 791 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.559 get what they're going for, because in a wrestling match, 792 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.639 how often does a woman just get a and rip 793 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.440 off her skirt and reveals that she's wearing underwear tights. 794 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:11.599 I guess it doesn't happened off. 795 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.599 The payoff was awful. The payoff was awful. The build 796 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.800 up was way over the top, and then the payoff 797 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.519 was was dreadful because I know everybody you could just 798 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.000 see the crowd reaction to It wasn't. There was not 799 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:32.679 anybody that the crowd want. They're like, that's that's it. 800 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.280 That really not that's it. 801 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:37.599 You know. 802 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.400 Oh, there was a lot of the binocular is ready 803 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.760 and then what what? 804 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.440 Just what? And I knew and I knew, I knew it. 805 00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:53.920 I knew it. I was but yeah, this is not 806 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.280 gonna be good. You're gonna you let these You're gonna 807 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.280 let these people down. 808 00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:59.400 They were waiting for this. 809 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.559 It was awesome and then you do that, like, you know, 810 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:05.599 like it was even too far. 811 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.400 It was like even worse than you could have made it. Well, 812 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.599 let's say let's say they just could have. 813 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.320 Done, you know, do one of those like a bikini 814 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.880 like bikini bottom that that is a you know, goes 815 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.599 up to the navel, you know, not not a string 816 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:21.440 kind of bikini. 817 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.679 People would have loved that. They said, Okay, let's see. 818 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.079 You know, I swear to wearing like she was wearing. 819 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.039 I swear to god she was wearing something underneath the bottoms. 820 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.239 Because yeah, it just looked like, I'm like, you look 821 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.079 frumpy and you're not from. 822 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.159 That's the that's the look like you know, school marm. 823 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.840 We don't want to collection I don't want to see you. 824 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:48.360 But from the school Marm collection. 825 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:53.760 Yeah not no. Again, it's fine for what it is, like, 826 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.400 it does its job and the bad guys fall over 827 00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.199 and the good guy's winnings distracted by uh, you know, 828 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.159 a lady. Oh my god, a woman in the ring? 829 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.079 What's happening? Not none of nobody. 830 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.079 That's that's another thing, like you said. 831 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:13.119 They're like like, oh yeah, they're like definitely that dude. 832 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.320 They're going wrestlings, fake, We're going We're going home, kid, 833 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:18.760 We're not buying that ship. 834 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.639 No. But Jesse is the Victoria is the referee. He's 835 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.320 he plays down the law a couple of times, even 836 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.920 changes the ring ropes from corner to corner in the beginning, 837 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.119 just to show that he's the law and the ring. 838 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.840 But he's reluctant. He's reluctant about kind of that three, 839 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:40.159 but he does Megapowers obviously win. And this is again 840 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.840 the big even more teasing of Savage and Hogan and 841 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.360 Elizabeth and the dynamic between them three, because Savage is 842 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:49.800 kind of like, why are we still why you celebrate 843 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.599 with Hogan? Like what you you're in your underwear lady already? Yeah, 844 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.159 what's uh, what's going on here? Why don't you come 845 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:56.800 over here and hug me too, Like there's a lot 846 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.400 going on. So they're already teasing this. And you brought 847 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.719 up earlier about pay per views is only a few 848 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.199 in the year. So when you look at each one 849 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.519 of these pay per views with Macho Man and Hogan's 850 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.320 side by side, each one of them as a bread 851 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.719 crumb to the story of the Mega Powers exploding, it 852 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.119 to me that is brilliant in keeping to it. You're 853 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.639 talking about event centers taking four or five days to 854 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:24.119 record multiple towns, multiple cities, advertising matches. Vince mcmah had 855 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.760 a vision and he stuck to it. He didn't go, oh, 856 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.800 it's a bumpy road, maybe I shouldn't do this anymore. 857 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.079 Like no, he stuck to it. Took a year from 858 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.960 me to go. So again, it's probably the greatest storyline 859 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.719 that actually had extra pieces allowed to be grown out 860 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.719 of it. What do you think about the Mega Powers 861 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.039 Exploding as a storyline because you have you know, you 862 00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.159 have Austin and Rock and McMahon and Stone Cold and 863 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.079 all these things. But I don't think anyone can touch 864 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:50.599 this one. 865 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.760 No. And also because they had the time, the time 866 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:55.320 to do it. 867 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.800 Yes, and your analogy there you said bread crumbs. That's 868 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.159 the It's a great way to look at it is 869 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.719 that you would you just keep dropping these breadcrumbs and 870 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.400 people were just lapping them up. 871 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.719 And bringing them along. 872 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:15.039 And it really was one of those those storylines of 873 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.719 how they knew they had this payoff way down the road, 874 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.800 this is where we're going to get to and and 875 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.920 and you know, Bruce talks about that being in those 876 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.239 meetings back then where you know that Vince would lay 877 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.599 this out. I think Vince was at his best then 878 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:40.079 when he was, you know, really putting this all together. 879 00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:45.559 And but they had the time to do it. And 880 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.599 even as we would see later and certainly some great 881 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:53.199 storylines you mentioned the Stone Cold and Vince and you know, 882 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.519 but they didn't have the layers that this one did 883 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.039 as far as that that dynamic between hul Cogan and 884 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.079 Randy Savage. 885 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.159 And then you have Elizabeth. 886 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:11.719 The oldest you know, the great story of all. 887 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:13.039 Story of Yeah, that. 888 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:22.440 Certainly bounced along reality there because of Randy's obsession and 889 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.480 his relationship with Elizabeth was always talked about. You know, 890 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.400 people would would wonder, you know, is this a work 891 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.719 with her, that he the way he treats her, and 892 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:37.880 he's so obsessive and he's very so protective, and it 893 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.639 was always you know, what what is it between them? 894 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.920 And for the most part, everybody will always say this 895 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.840 is he really is like that? And so that would 896 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:56.519 bleed over into the character that Randy Savage had established. 897 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.360 And then you bring in someone like Hull co Logan, 898 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.079 who's this uh you know, all American American uh each 899 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.239 you you know, say your prayers, each your vitamins, and 900 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.639 he's just assault of the earth. And he would never 901 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.559 be sure betray a friend or have that lust in 902 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.840 his heart for someone else. But then you're thinking, well, 903 00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.079 it is Elizabeth and it's you know, and he kind 904 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.719 of sees the way Randy treats Elizabeth, and he's just 905 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.559 trying to be a friend. And things happen happened to 906 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:30.159 me before, and I was you know, and so I 907 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.360 get it, you know that whole you know, you've got 908 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.000 people out. 909 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.760 There thinking that what's going on here? Maybe there is 910 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.920 some truth to this. So that's why it works so well. 911 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.159 And it was so subtle, like you said, when they're 912 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.559 celebrating and and why would. 913 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.159 You know, Hopes puts Elizabeth up on the shoulder. 914 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.239 Or whatever, and Randy's kind of like, well, I get 915 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.960 I get it, but what's he doing? 916 00:53:58.400 --> 00:53:59.880 Why is his hand there? 917 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.320 Remember, there was always a thing like right and it 918 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.000 was So that's why that that worked so well. And 919 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.360 honest to god, there was some truth to it, you 920 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:18.400 know that, you know, Randy not necessarily thinking that that 921 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.480 he thought that, uh, Terry had eyes for Elizabeth, but 922 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:29.440 that whole idea of you know, overshadowing him and always 923 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:33.199 getting the you know, Hogan must pose and always getting 924 00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:37.000 you know, here there he's wearing the whole the whole 925 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:43.400 breeze the Yeah, so there there was. That was another 926 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.679 part of it. So that's why that works so well. 927 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:48.920 And at the same time they had the time to 928 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.679 tell that story and keep it going along and and 929 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.239 and it was great and megapowers and then everything exploding 930 00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.920 it eventually, so one of the greatest Yeah, I agree 931 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.239 with you, one of the greatest storylines in the history 932 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:05.719 of professional wrestling. 933 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.159 Yeah, it's hard to have. 934 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.400 Never seen anything like that before where you could take 935 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.559 it that far and find so many different ways to 936 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.400 entertain with it. That's what it came down. 937 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.880 To well, especially a storyline that carries over generations, because 938 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.960 you know, there's been so many wrestling storylines or so 939 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.559 many wrestlers that say a wrestler a fan who just 940 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.840 are today, if they're getting into it now, they're only 941 00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.239 watching today's wrestling. But some storylines are so powerful that 942 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:33.480 they cross over and suddenly like, oh, I do know 943 00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.320 about Hogan and Matriman, or I do know about Austin 944 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.840 McMahon or the bloodline, like there's all these little things 945 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:44.119 that people can know because it's so powerful it carries 946 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:48.159 over into new generations, which I think Hogan in Savage 947 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:52.119 one hundred percent two, but also this Summer Slam has 948 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.559 the Ultimate Warrior winning the Intercontinental title and thirty one 949 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.119 seconds against Hunky talk Man, who held it for a 950 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:03.400 long time, was the longest Randy Intercal champion for about 951 00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:08.360 I think twenty something years until Gunther. We beat that record, 952 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.000 and it was one of those things where like will 953 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.760 Gunther actually do it? And he did it, and so 954 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:17.079 congratulations to him. But Honkey had that for a long time. 955 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.159 But the big storyline is Bruce de Barbara Beefcake is 956 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.639 the one who's supposed to be fighting Honky talk Man 957 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.920 here and gets pushed out, gets replaced in storyline, Ron Bass, 958 00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.559 who really had nothing going on, shows up on a 959 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.719 TV episode and stabs Bruce Piefcake in the face of 960 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.280 one of his spurs, and uh, there's blood everywhere, but 961 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.079 the the infamous Big Red X covers the screenere you 962 00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:44.719 can sort of see blood, but you can't see blood. 963 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.239 It's in and out, but Warrior replaces him, winning the 964 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.719 Intercontinent title in thirty one seconds. Now, there's so much 965 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:56.320 around this because months before the Mega Powers even got together, 966 00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.239 Honky was going to lose the Intercontinental title to the 967 00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.000 Macho Man an episode of Saturday Night's Main Event. Honky apparently, 968 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:07.960 according to rumors, refuses to do this, So then that's 969 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.679 when Savage eventually wins the world title. At wrestling you 970 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.199 have four because Hogan's got to go film a movie. 971 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.239 Who can be World Champion? But Honky agreeing to lose 972 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.559 to the Ultimate Warrior but not Savage to me is 973 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.800 one of the shocking, most craziest moments ever, because why 974 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.679 wouldn't you want to put Savage over when he seems 975 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:28.719 like a man's man when it comes to business, Because 976 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.519 we've seen him do it time again. But let's talk 977 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.000 about it. What do you think about all this happening 978 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.719 because Warrior winging the championship pretty big moment for him. 979 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.400 Yeah, oh god, no, absolutely, and uh yeah and then 980 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.039 thirty seconds thirty plus one second. 981 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.000 Was a thirty one thirty one. 982 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:54.159 Yeah. For Wayne to do that is what was a big, 983 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:59.239 big deal. And you know, to him, it was all 984 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.480 about respect. And it's amazing that he was able to 985 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.519 say no, I'm not going to do a job for 986 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:10.559 Randy Savage and get away with it. So I think 987 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.679 that there there had to be some logic behind it. 988 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.000 I mean, if that's something Vince really wanted to happen, 989 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:18.960 it was going to happen. You know, honky Tonk wasn't 990 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.079 that big of a superstar where he could make those 991 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:23.719 kind of demands. 992 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.800 And I think and honky Tonk Honky talks about it. 993 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.840 I've heard him in interviews before about you know that 994 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.280 a lot of it was about respect, and I think 995 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.519 was the way they wanted to do it initially for 996 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.159 the Intercontinental Belt that he didn't agree with. 997 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:43.760 I don't think it was so much personal with Randy that, 998 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:49.719 you know, but he had worked with Warrior. 999 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:54.239 I think, you know, six months, had worked with him 1000 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:59.360 before and talked about how, you know, incredibly stiff he was. 1001 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.960 You know, everybody hated working with with the with Jim 1002 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.599 because he was just just wasn't getting it and he 1003 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:08.639 and in a lot of ways he didn't need to 1004 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.199 because he was getting you know, such a big push. 1005 00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:17.039 The boys eventually corrected that old school. 1006 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:25.079 But when when Wayne talks about Dent's coming to him 1007 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.840 with that the idea that they wanted to put the 1008 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.840 warrior over and that he said that this guy, we're 1009 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.280 gonna we want to really push him and and we'd 1010 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:36.960 like to have. 1011 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:37.840 You help us do it. 1012 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.920 And he said that they asked me when I said, 1013 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.440 you know, okay, uh, he said, when they asked me 1014 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:47.119 how I wanted to do it. 1015 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:48.159 That made the. 1016 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.559 Difference because it wasn't just this is what's going to happen. 1017 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.280 You're gonna do it and you're gonna like it. 1018 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.920 It was we respect you as you know, a veteran, 1019 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.079 We know the this is a big ask, so you 1020 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.960 tell us how you think it should be done. Which 1021 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.199 for him, you know, everybody has their their what do 1022 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.599 they call it, their their love words or their you know, 1023 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:16.400 the how do you approach somebody? And that was what 1024 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.239 it was for him, that it was the respect and 1025 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.280 he said, okay, let's make it quick. 1026 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.239 And you know, we know he knew the business, he 1027 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:28.400 knew the pop it was going to get. And here he. 1028 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.960 Comes out, Hunky's like, you know, give me, give me 1029 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.679 anybody off, take anybody on. 1030 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:40.679 And uh, you know, the look at his face is like, oh. 1031 01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:42.480 Shit, because it got him, not him right. 1032 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.079 And he comes out and it's a freaking squash and 1033 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:50.440 thirty you know, thirty seconds and it blew the freaking 1034 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.880 roof off that place because it was just like that, 1035 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.159 and it was that was a gift, you know, Honky 1036 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.519 tom Man, that was a gift for him to do that, 1037 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:06.639 you know, giving up the belt for one thing, and giving. 1038 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.679 It up in that fashion. 1039 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.199 It was a It was a huge It was a 1040 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.199 catapult for the warrior. I mean, especially as you said, 1041 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.320 look how long he was he held out of that belt. 1042 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.800 Now he didn't that belt. 1043 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.480 He lost the rick rude for a brief moment and 1044 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:23.119 then got it back. 1045 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.639 But you know what I mean, but that that. 1046 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.800 Whatever his ways of maintaining that belt, he had it 1047 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:33.239 for a very long time. 1048 01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.960 So he obviously had to had some. 1049 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.079 You know, cred in the ring for people fans wise 1050 01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.360 that he didn't have the belt just because he was 1051 01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.079 danced well and couldn't play a guitar. 1052 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.320 You know here, did you hear that Honky refused to 1053 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.239 get the press slam because when they were working together, 1054 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:59.800 Warri were grabb you by your nuts and squeeze. So 1055 01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:03.559 he was like, I will not take that press slam, 1056 01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.360 Like I'm not gonna take I'm not letting you pick 1057 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.159 me up like you can. And if you wash the 1058 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.880 clothes line, he punches Honky right in the face with 1059 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.079 a clothesline. It's not a light boop. He goes He's 1060 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.199 like boom and he just goes down. 1061 01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:21.360 Imagine taking that every single night, right, You imagine doing 1062 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:22.800 that when you're on the road, Like that's stuff that 1063 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.760 people don't even get to see. Right, and when you've 1064 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.760 been doing that, you know, five previous nights where he's 1065 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.320 taking your freaking head off. 1066 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:37.119 I mean yeah, or taking your nuts off that and 1067 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:37.880 and they. 1068 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:41.480 Credit they credit Rick Rude for the one who really 1069 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.639 changed Jim's attitude. 1070 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:47.559 I think that's a nice way to put it. 1071 01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.599 And and and and I'm not saying it wasn't in 1072 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.960 a way where Rick just beat the hell out of them, 1073 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:59.280 you know, and and and literally there were altercations behind 1074 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.400 back in the the locker room where he I know 1075 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:09.280 one time that he took him out, But it was 1076 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.519 because they worked together for quite a while, and they 1077 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.000 credit Rick Rude to you know that he had the 1078 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:21.559 patients that you know, he could have. Rick could have 1079 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.760 ruined his career, could have ruined Ultimate Warriors career if 1080 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.239 he wanted to. He could have he could have heard 1081 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.800 him seriously where he was going to be put out 1082 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:37.360 of action or but that was another gift that one 1083 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:41.719 of the guys gave to Jim Helwig, that Rick Rude 1084 01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:46.440 had the patience and the willingness to do it to say, look, 1085 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.320 we can do this the easy way or the hard way. 1086 01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.239 Every night, I'll go out there because I'm gonna win. 1087 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.039 I'm I know. 1088 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:56.039 I mean, the guys talk about you know that group 1089 01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:01.480 from Grandma Bees, the you know the guys that they 1090 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:06.039 talk about, tough guys, and they say that when it 1091 01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:07.960 came down to it, you know, like Rick may not 1092 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.360 have been the one that would be left standing because 1093 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.639 he wasn't a huge guy. But he'll swing until his 1094 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.880 body stops letting him do it. And and so you know, 1095 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.079 Rick was a legit tough guy and and didn't like 1096 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.599 to mix it up. So the fact that he got 1097 01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.840 to the point where with Jim and said, look, dude, 1098 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.719 we can do this, you know, every night, and I'll 1099 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.119 beat the living ship out of you until you get it. 1100 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.360 And then at some point Jim started to say, Okay, 1101 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.159 I guess I better change. You know, no matter how 1102 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:50.280 bigger the influence I might have with Vince McMahon, this 1103 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:51.559 guy is not going to let up. 1104 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.760 And it hurts. And that's when they say that. 1105 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.280 It really he changed as a as a wrestler in 1106 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:02.079 the ring. And h I don't think he ever could 1107 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:07.400 stop being that stiff, because that's just what's his the nature. 1108 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.679 But he did start to learn how to work. And 1109 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.159 credit to Rick Rude for making that happen. 1110 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.320 Yeah, well, credit to Honey time Man for putting them over, 1111 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.360 because this Summer Slam moment of Warror winning on a 1112 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.679 continental title will be played still to this day of 1113 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.199 highlighting just a quick Summer Slam moment like oh, let's 1114 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.840 go back and check out this amazing moment. Boom, Boom Boom, 1115 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:34.000 runs down, shoulder block, clothes the line, punch in the face, Boom, pina. 1116 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.559 The crowd never goes down. The crowd never sits down. 1117 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:41.440 They don't have time to it's music. When boom, we celebrate. 1118 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.280 So it was grateful for that. But you got to 1119 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:49.079 interview Ultimate Warrior later on the evening with the Intercontinental title. 1120 01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:52.760 And this is your first thumb big interview with Warrior 1121 01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.840 because there's classic moments of you guys, well I consider classic. 1122 01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.960 You probably considered completely different feelings. You watch this one. 1123 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.480 You're a brand new to the game. You just you're 1124 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:07.119 just there, hold the microphone. What was your first reactions 1125 01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.559 to this character? Because you told them before you did 1126 01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.320 study up on these wrestlers. You had cute cards with 1127 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.840 pictures and names and attributes. You knew who they were. 1128 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:21.000 But now you're next to him interviewing him. What were 1129 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:21.920 your emotions like. 1130 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.119 Well, I'd done some stuff with him prior to that. 1131 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:28.199 This wasn't just you know, all of a sudden, it's 1132 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:32.800 room with him, and but and Geene would say the 1133 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.559 same thing. It was one of those you'd set them 1134 01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:40.079 up and then just get out of the way. You 1135 01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:42.400 might still be holding that microphone, but you're not doing 1136 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:48.039 you're not interacting, you're not your your reaction to what 1137 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:51.280 the person is saying is not important. It's it's just 1138 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.159 it was just okay, I'm back here with Ultimore order 1139 01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.599 and go ahead and say what you're going to say, 1140 01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.760 because that's what I am. I'm a definitely a mic 1141 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.159 stand during that and and that is uh, as we say, 1142 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.639 we're still trying to translate some of those promos, but 1143 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:16.239 you know, but it came with that high octane delivery 1144 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:22.519 and uh, you know, the intensity and people who became 1145 01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:23.920 Ultimate Warrior. 1146 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.320 Fans love it, love it. 1147 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.719 And so that's that was pretty much, you know, my 1148 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.559 whole mentality that was just you know, get to him, 1149 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.559 make sure you let him do his thing, and then uh, 1150 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.320 you know, throw it back or whatever it was, whatever 1151 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.280 the out was. And most of the time it was 1152 01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:48.239 just Jim you know, oh, you know, just finishing and 1153 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.199 they would go back to wherever they were. 1154 01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.440 So that's that's kind of the way that one went. 1155 01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:57.639 And and like you said, I didn't want to I 1156 01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.280 didn't want to hit a home run or a triple 1157 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:02.119 or whatever. I just wanted to single that night, just 1158 01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:06.519 get through make sure the gets done and I do 1159 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.239 my part and I don't make him do it again 1160 01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:12.440 or anything like that. And that's what happened. So it 1161 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:13.800 was it was a good night. 1162 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.000 You were not sacrificed to the Skeletons that evening, folks, Yeah, 1163 01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.279 you will safe. But Bruce Beefcake being removed from this 1164 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:24.039 matchup because of the Rom Bass storyline. I imagine if 1165 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.479 I'm Beefcake, you know you're still working house shows. As 1166 01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.319 we talked about, he is on the C Show as 1167 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.279 the main event against Hercules, but here he was gonna 1168 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:35.039 win or possibly win the inter title. This is on 1169 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.640 pay per review. That means big money in his pocket. 1170 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.119 According to a shoot interview he did years ago, he 1171 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.199 said he lost over one hundred grand by not working 1172 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.000 this event and so if he did win or did 1173 01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:48.640 lose here, he would have still continued on, probably on 1174 01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:51.960 house shows against Hockey Talk Man. Instead, he goes off 1175 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.119 and works with Rom Bass on TV, eventually shaving rom 1176 01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.640 Bass's head on an episode of Saturday Night's Main Event. 1177 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:02.000 So if your Beefcake, would you thinking, you're like, okay, 1178 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.439 well that's great. This guy Warrior is now in a 1179 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:07.640 Collin Champion and I gotta go work with Ron Bass. 1180 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.680 And again nothing against Ron Bass, but he is no 1181 01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:10.640 honkey talk man. 1182 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:19.720 Yeah, and you know, and I love Brutus, but as 1183 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:24.560 we've talked about before, you know that he was not 1184 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:28.119 going to be at the top of the car. He 1185 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:33.479 got the character. I think he took that characters, you know, 1186 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:39.520 to great heights, and you know, his association with the 1187 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:46.399 Halkster certainly helped him. But you know, the people that 1188 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:50.239 were booking that did not see that as being a 1189 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:51.560 really good. 1190 01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:53.560 Money maker. 1191 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:55.319 You know that they didn't know that was gonna think 1192 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:57.359 that was going to put butts in seats, And it 1193 01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:59.479 was always about once we get these guys out of 1194 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:03.279 the road, are people got to come to see him? So, 1195 01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:08.039 as I said, you know with the you're talking about 1196 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:13.479 those tours, well, Brutus could could headline those, you know, 1197 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:16.760 maybe even the B Show, but the C shows. And 1198 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.399 he was he had great name recognition as far as 1199 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:27.279 you know, you know, Brutus the Barber, but uh, thinking 1200 01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.119 that that was going to be a great run and 1201 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.720 they obviously maybe if there wasn't an Ultimate Warrior around, 1202 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.880 they might have gone with that, but this was uh, 1203 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.000 you know, the pairing for them. They wanted to push 1204 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:42.920 him and he wasn't ready for really prime time of 1205 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:48.000 the Warrior, but he was on his way, and uh 1206 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.399 so that was that. 1207 01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:53.800 Was where they were going to go. We've given that choice. 1208 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.439 You've heard superstars talk all the time. 1209 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.479 If I would have gotten that, if I would have 1210 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:02.199 gotten to go with this guy, I would have made 1211 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:06.560 all this money whatever. But that's just not the way 1212 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.520 they saw it. And most of the times they were 1213 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.880 they were pretty much right on with with guys that 1214 01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.840 they put in these runs. So yeah, I would have 1215 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.199 loved to see him make some good money and stuff 1216 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:25.359 like that. But that what you think were people outraged that, 1217 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.960 you know, the Brutus didn't get that shot and get 1218 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.239 to go and go up against You know, I don't. 1219 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:35.600 Think so, No, I don't. I don't think it would either. 1220 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.479 One of the big things about this event, though, is 1221 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.760 the brother Love segment where there's gonna be a big surprise. 1222 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.720 We don't know what it is. According to rumors, Vince 1223 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:46.920 Mann is trying to get Rick Flay to jump over 1224 01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:50.319 and join the WWF. He's going to make his debut here. 1225 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.119 That does not happen. We get the return of Hacksaw, 1226 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.880 Jim dug In after what recently happened with him and 1227 01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:00.319 Iron Cheek. So you just with a company you got 1228 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.079 you came in May of eighty eight. So here we 1229 01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.159 are in August of eighty eight. Are you hearing the 1230 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:07.039 rumblings that you know, Hulk Hogan, you know he's here, 1231 01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:09.760 but we might get Ric Flair might be coming too 1232 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.840 now and he's going to show up, because that's what 1233 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.520 the segment's really based around. But Vince, according to rumor, says, 1234 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.880 well we got we don't have Flair, but you know 1235 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:20.399 we got Hacksaw goddamn it, so let's get Hackstack. 1236 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:28.720 Well yeah, yeah, that that there was always That's the thing. 1237 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:32.159 There was always those rumors that you know that Rick 1238 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:35.000 Flair was going to come, even you know for years 1239 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.039 and uh and and I think we all knew at 1240 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:45.000 some point it's going to happen. But uh we're people, 1241 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:48.279 you know, amazed that it didn't happen, No, because that 1242 01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:50.279 stuff happened all the time where they would have these 1243 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.399 uh and and a lot of times, you know, Rick 1244 01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:55.920 would do that just to you know, be able to 1245 01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:01.159 help you know, get management, get more money, or wanted 1246 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.600 to stick around longer or get in another position or 1247 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:06.720 something like that. You know, people did that use that 1248 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.439 leverage all the time, and all it took was a 1249 01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:10.760 phone call if anybody heard, you know, they he talked 1250 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.600 to Pat Patterson or something like that, which they would 1251 01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:16.359 make sure they put out there just you know, we 1252 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:22.119 worked together way friends or you know whatever. So how 1253 01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:26.399 how close that was to happening, we'll never know, but 1254 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.279 there was always that room and I know that. And 1255 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.199 it's too bad because maybe when if it would have 1256 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:36.880 happened earlier like that, maybe that Hulk Flair collision would 1257 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.960 have been you know, much more than it would become 1258 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:43.800 later when they tried to make that happen and it didn't. 1259 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:49.359 But yeah, you heard those rumors all the time the 1260 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.279 when it didn't. I mean, obviously we're kind of making 1261 01:13:53.319 --> 01:14:00.039 plans for it. But you know, Hexa stepping in and 1262 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.039 you know, right, but he was welcomed back with open 1263 01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:09.520 arms and it very well for Jim when when he 1264 01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:10.640 did make that return. 1265 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.800 So and he's discussed that too. You know, he would he. 1266 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.720 Have liked to have been able to back literally back 1267 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.800 that car up and not have Sheikh in the car. Sure, 1268 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:28.319 but it changed the trajectory of his career and he's 1269 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:33.520 still reaping the benefits from it from today, you know, 1270 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.520 because of when he came back and then it kind 1271 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:42.079 of became this character, fun loving and all American and 1272 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:44.079 never looked back. 1273 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:45.199 Oh my god. 1274 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:46.880 I always love Hacksag Jim. 1275 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:49.920 Because you know, before that, prior to that, he was 1276 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:51.960 you know, down mid South and all that. He was 1277 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.199 a badass, tough guy. You know, I mean literally, he 1278 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.439 was always a tough guy. But he wasn't the funny, comical. 1279 01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:05.039 He was just a badass brawler. So that was that 1280 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.640 was good. That worked out really well for him. But 1281 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.039 it's too bad the pain he had to suffer in 1282 01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:13.159 the meantime. But you know, it really did work. 1283 01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.039 No, well, he got brought back instead of the iron cheeks, 1284 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:17.239 so nothing, you know, and. 1285 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:22.279 I was at the highlight of the show. No side 1286 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:23.920 did come out. 1287 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.399 I don't think it would have been the highlight of 1288 01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:27.399 the show if Rick Flair showed up in the w 1289 01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.439 and just be like, WHOA, this is cool because if 1290 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:32.399 you're a wrestling fan, you don't get every channel in 1291 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:35.680 the entire world. Just because wrestling's in the South doesn't 1292 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:37.319 mean I get it in the North. You know, that's 1293 01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:40.520 a whole different ballgame of cable and television at this time, 1294 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.880 so it's not like everyone gets everything. So yeah, but 1295 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.640 it's a little different story. But also on this event, 1296 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.920 Powers the Pain make their pay per view debut against 1297 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:54.520 the Bolsheviks. Powers the Pain have the Baron, Baron von Rosky, 1298 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.520 who is a star before this, but he looks like 1299 01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.800 the executioner. He's got a hood on, he's got weird 1300 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.159 pain on his face. But originally Vince Man is trying 1301 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:06.560 to bring in the Legion of Doom, the Road Warriors. 1302 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:08.800 They don't want to leave where they're doing because they're 1303 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.560 making a lot of money off of Japan and other 1304 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.399 different organizations that exist. So instead we get the Powers 1305 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.560 of Pain. The Powers of Pain. We're in a storyline 1306 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.760 with the Road Warriors a few months even before coming 1307 01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:24.840 into the WWF. So it's very interesting because Rick Flair 1308 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:27.520 doesn't come in now, he comes in later. It's okay. 1309 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.520 Leader of Doom doesn't come in now, they come in later, 1310 01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:36.119 It's okay. You know, was Vinces trying to grab all 1311 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:39.319 the talent from all the territories right now, and each 1312 01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.600 one of them was like, well, I'm very valuable. So 1313 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:43.960 if you want me, it's going to cost you. Instead 1314 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.359 you got Powers of Pain, which are probably a discount price. 1315 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:52.359 Yeah, but would he have liked to had you know, 1316 01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:56.159 Animal and Hawk. Sure, you know it wasn't. I mean 1317 01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:59.760 he did like to, you know, pill for some of 1318 01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:03.039 the tent from other territories. Of course, you know, anytime 1319 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.239 you could weaken them a little bit. But there were 1320 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.840 are there were guys that he really you know, just 1321 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:13.199 personally wanted to get in and Rick Flair was one 1322 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:16.520 of them. And then uh, you know, uh, the Road 1323 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:22.840 Warriors definitely they were the hottest tag team in the 1324 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:28.640 world in every territory and in Japan. So to have 1325 01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:32.399 gotten them over, yeah, absolutely, and the and people talk 1326 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.279 about the Powers of Pain were his answer to it. Yeah, 1327 01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:43.279 but as we've discussed before, to me, you know, demolition was. 1328 01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.319 Was definitely was the answer for the w W E. 1329 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:51.720 And they were you. 1330 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:54.039 Know, similarities, but at the same time they were unique 1331 01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:57.439 in every in their own ways. 1332 01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.680 And uh, I when we have. 1333 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.960 These discussions about you know, was there not enough room 1334 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.159 for both of these tag teams? And I always thought 1335 01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:10.439 like this is you could have these two tag teams 1336 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:12.560 going against each other for years. I mean, you can 1337 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:17.119 have a storyline between those two and to think that, 1338 01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.479 well I got to get rid of one because now I. 1339 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:20.199 Got these guys. 1340 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.840 I was like, that makes no sense to me, because 1341 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:28.520 they were you know, big tough tag teams, but still 1342 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:34.680 very different from each other and tremendously over come on 1343 01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:40.439 Accent Smash were just yeah, they were right there at 1344 01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.319 the top. And we know how popular tag teams were then, 1345 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:50.600 so there was plenty a room. And you know, that 1346 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:54.199 whole discussion never made sense to me that you couldn't 1347 01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:59.680 have both, Like, please bring them in and I love them. 1348 01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:03.720 They're just going to add to this this whole uh 1349 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:09.239 you know, giant division we've got of tag teams. 1350 01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.479 I loved Powers of Pain, especially now too, because their 1351 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.159 baby faces are huge or strong. Well when they come 1352 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.439 out the Artist of God, dude, I swear it was 1353 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:20.520 like watching a video game, not the one that you 1354 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:22.680 were in European Rampant. 1355 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.319 Okay, just put the knife in a little different. 1356 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:27.880 Commented on. Someone commented they were like, why would you 1357 01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:29.479 do that to Mooney? I was like, I didn't mean 1358 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.079 to do that to Mooney. I love money, but. 1359 01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:39.840 Seriously, folks, it's. 1360 01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:38.960 Good that one. 1361 01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:40.199 Yeah, Yeah, it's good. It's good. 1362 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:42.520 Here. I told you I had it all over on 1363 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:44.640 Lynda McMahon when I made that colony. 1364 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:48.479 You're right, You're right, you one up on that one. 1365 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:52.279 You got them, yeah, but with powers of Pain. Though 1366 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.520 it was not more obvious to me watching this event 1367 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.199 last night that powers of Pain was Vince Man's being like, 1368 01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.760 all right, go out there and do all the road 1369 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.760 Warrior tons like it was, honest to god, like watching 1370 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:06.920 a video game where they were just took all the 1371 01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:09.640 talents from Legit of Doom, shoved them inside Warlord and 1372 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:12.920 BARBERI and was like, all right, just go be them, 1373 01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:15.359 but we'll call you something different. And people might be 1374 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.319 offended by that, but honestly, after watching this last night, 1375 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.000 it was not. It was so obvious that Demolition is 1376 01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:25.119 not the the Legion of Doom ripoff. For thirty years 1377 01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:28.520 people thought it's Bars of Pain. The evidence is there, 1378 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:29.399 your honor. 1379 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:35.520 Yes, absolutely, But you know and love those guys, but 1380 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:43.399 they were not Hawk and Annim. Their promos or lack 1381 01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:47.960 of were not by any comparison to what you know, 1382 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.720 mikeah Joe could do. And you know, and I've talked 1383 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:58.319 before too about about Hawk that he he had. I 1384 01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:03.039 loved his voice well, you know that whole I mean 1385 01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:06.079 his you could have been a great voiceover guy. I 1386 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:08.560 always thought, you know, there's a few guys in there. 1387 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:11.319 Bill Edy is another one who I always thought had 1388 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:16.479 great pipes and being an announcer, I could appreciate that. 1389 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:22.199 But they, as we know, back then, you know, promos 1390 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.880 were everything too. You know, it wasn't just what you 1391 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:26.960 did in the ring. You had to be able to 1392 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:30.960 get in front of a camera and sell it. And 1393 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:34.960 and those two and Mike was one of the best, 1394 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:39.560 you know, and and and the creativity, not just the delivery, 1395 01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:42.479 but the creativity and stuff they would come up with. Yeah, 1396 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:48.079 so sure, yeah, there's no question you're right that Powers 1397 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:50.479 of Pain was Vince's answer to. 1398 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.199 The Road Warriors. But but as. 1399 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:58.199 Far as how they did it in the ring, the 1400 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.960 way they could move in the ring, and the promos 1401 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:04.960 they did, there was no there was no comparison. 1402 01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:07.159 They were very, very different. 1403 01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:09.560 So in a sense of as far as selling and 1404 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.479 doing interviews, because Action and Smash were really. 1405 01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:17.920 Good at it too. That was why to me to. 1406 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.600 Putting those two against each other or you know, on 1407 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:23.920 their own, it didn't matter. 1408 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:28.279 They sold tickets, no question agreed. 1409 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.119 Also in this pay per view is an amazing moment 1410 01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:33.880 that's controversial to a lot of people out there. It's 1411 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:36.520 Rick Rude defeating Junkyard Dog. This is the end of 1412 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:40.760 Junkyard Dog in the pay per view. Don Morocco has 1413 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:44.199 the same distinction here in so does Kipetera, who holds 1414 01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:48.880 up November. But in this matchup with Rick Rude, he's 1415 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:52.920 wearing Junkyard Dog tights. It's his face, it's airbrush, it's beautiful. 1416 01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:54.760 But when Rick Rud goes to the top rope in 1417 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:58.000 the middle of this matchup, it looks like he's about 1418 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:01.239 to just like rip his clothes off, like expose himself. 1419 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.479 And he pulls off his tights on the top rope 1420 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:06.880 a little bit just to show his crotch. It's Sheryl Roberts. 1421 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:10.039 It's Jake the Snake's wife's face on his crotch. So 1422 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:14.439 apparently it is Pat Patterson's idea. When Jake sees this backstage, 1423 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.600 he runs out, he attacks Rick Rude. Junkyard Dog loses 1424 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:23.279 bibes qualification because of Jake. I have interviewed Jake and 1425 01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:27.000 he was not happy at all having his wife involved, 1426 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:29.840 having the wife involved with the boys, or having his 1427 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.720 wife's face on Rick Rud's crotch. What did you see 1428 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:38.880 backstage this evening where Jake's reactions to this, because it 1429 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:40.079 didn't look like he was happy. 1430 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:43.560 Well, I don't will. 1431 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:55.079 Jake say all that, But nobody likes a good storyline 1432 01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:59.159 better than Jacob rock and I and he knew. 1433 01:23:59.239 --> 01:23:59.439 Now. 1434 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.439 Uh as far as trying, you know, separating his personal 1435 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.399 life from the business, I totally understand that. 1436 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:12.159 You know, it wasn't the probably initially, you know, him. 1437 01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:17.119 Seeing what Brandy dealt with in his life, probably didn't 1438 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.640 want to have that part of his business either. But 1439 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:26.119 I think that he saw and then she had to 1440 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:28.439 agreed to to become part of it. 1441 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:30.680 You know. 1442 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:33.760 It wasn't like they just did this and said for 1443 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.079 the first time when Jake's backstage and he says that, 1444 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:43.079 and that's what. Yeah, it runs out there. So I'm 1445 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:47.239 sure they made it worth his while. And it was 1446 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.359 a great storyline. I mean, come on, it was really 1447 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:54.800 it was really clever. And and Rick with those the 1448 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:01.359 airbrushed tights that he had, Yeah, he could do a 1449 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:02.039 lot of those. 1450 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:04.199 We've talked before. 1451 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.159 You know when they went on the Kathy Lee and Regis, 1452 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:10.680 Regis and Kathy Lee and and he went on there 1453 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:15.199 with her face on his crotch and she walked off 1454 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:19.479 the set. But this was you know that this is 1455 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:23.640 a great storyline. And I think that, like I said, 1456 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:27.199 you know, when it came down to it, Jake's businessman, 1457 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:31.399 and he also understood the business really well and was 1458 01:25:31.439 --> 01:25:35.199 really good about, you know, whatever. 1459 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.760 It was making it work. And so at some point 1460 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:38.920 he had to agree to it. 1461 01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:43.560 And but I don't doubt for a meit he probably 1462 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:47.399 wasn't real happy and probably there was some trepidation in 1463 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:49.600 his mind of what's this going to do? You know 1464 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:53.399 as far as my personal life is, you know, exposing 1465 01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:57.520 more of that. I don't like people knowing. 1466 01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:58.199 About that part of me. 1467 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:04.359 But you know, like anything else, Jake Roberts was brilliant 1468 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:09.159 at you know, making storylines work. And you mentioned Jy 1469 01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:16.119 Duh and it's just amazing to me. And I get 1470 01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:20.319 people who know about his career or followed uh mid 1471 01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:28.279 South and those other territories that he never really you know, 1472 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.159 he was popular, but never really got over to the 1473 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.680 anywhere near the heights that he reached in these other places. 1474 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:39.439 Why do you think that is though, And it's the 1475 01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:40.279 combo things. 1476 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.800 I think that it was kind of a regional thing. Okay, 1477 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.000 it says like down south man, he was gigantic. 1478 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.920 You know, Hacksaw talks about what Hexau was there too 1479 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:54.239 with him, and and you know he. 1480 01:26:56.399 --> 01:26:58.880 Talks about the crowds that would come in there. I 1481 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:03.119 mean the jay I d owned the place, you know 1482 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:03.479 he did. 1483 01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:06.439 He knew how to work those crowds and and just 1484 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:12.359 was tremendously over blew the roof off every time. And 1485 01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:14.720 and you know he talks about the fights that would 1486 01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:16.600 be in the crowd before they went out there. 1487 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:20.319 You know that there was like a rabbit uh you know. 1488 01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:26.159 House and I think coming up and uh, you know, 1489 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:30.680 people not really understanding that that it was kind of 1490 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:34.880 that old school that that Junkyard Dog was a part of. 1491 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.600 And it was his character was kind of thin, just 1492 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.880 junk j white, you know, junk yard Dog. 1493 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:42.439 He was a. 1494 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:47.199 You know, rough and tumble guy. They had the uh, 1495 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:52.880 you know, barking and it just people never really got it. 1496 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:58.079 So uh that that always was kind of amazing to me. 1497 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.880 And I didn't understand it at the time. How big 1498 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.399 he was down south. You know a lot of these 1499 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:06.920 guys would come up and I didn't know their rich 1500 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:11.720 history or you know, the dues they had paid. So 1501 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:14.479 I would always look at it from Okay, how they 1502 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:16.840 kind of reaction they get from the crowd, how do 1503 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.640 they earn you know, the coming in because you know 1504 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:22.640 a lot of them people didn't know. Sometimes you know 1505 01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:26.760 that they because people didn't they were the WWF fans, 1506 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:31.119 as we talk about, and so they have to really 1507 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:34.319 almost start from scratch. And then if they didn't get 1508 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:38.239 that push or that they had some gimmick, that was 1509 01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:44.439 you know, kind of just thin. They might be one 1510 01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.159 of the greatest workers in the ring, but we all 1511 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:50.800 knew what it was all about showmanship back then and 1512 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:55.239 cutting promos, and you know, for whatever reason, it just 1513 01:28:55.479 --> 01:29:00.600 it just never happened. And you know, maybe was it 1514 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:05.880 was later in his career and he was beat up 1515 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.520 and had some issues outside of the ring. 1516 01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:12.840 Well he doesn't look here either, though. I think if 1517 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.600 you look at like you in two years ago, he's 1518 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:16.680 musclier here. 1519 01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:17.359 He doesn't. 1520 01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:19.359 He doesn't look very like. I'm not the greatest man 1521 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:23.199 in shape e there're gonna but he doesn't look like 1522 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:25.680 the way he did a few years ago, and he doesn't. 1523 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.039 He just looks like a big guy versus before he 1524 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:29.840 looked muscular. 1525 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:30.880 Mm hmm. 1526 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.279 Maybe that's it. I don't, I don't know, you know, 1527 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:35.520 maybe we did it a whole dark side of the 1528 01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:40.239 ring about him, I believe. So it's not the junk 1529 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:42.720 yard we saw in Mid South or the a couple 1530 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.159 of years ago. He was in that rock and Wrestling 1531 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.560 cartoon with hul Coogan, so he was big enough to 1532 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:48.720 get a caricter and. 1533 01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:50.439 I thought that I think they thought that he was 1534 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:52.359 going to you know, that it was going to be 1535 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:54.760 he was going to be able to stay up with that, 1536 01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:57.520 but just it just didn't work out like that. 1537 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:02.159 Yeah, and we Jake, we mentioned Jake and Rick Rude. Well, 1538 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.640 Jake beat Hercules later in the night. Just a simple match, 1539 01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:08.920 you know, nothing very special, just this Summer Slam. I 1540 01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:11.079 see a lot of comparisons online saying, well, this is 1541 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:14.800 like a house show versus a like a Wrestlmania, like 1542 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:19.279 a big event where each match is here because of storylines, 1543 01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:22.239 you know. And I can see that comparison. But also 1544 01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:25.199 I thought this was a fun event in general. But 1545 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:28.840 since we're talking about the Junkyard Dog and his kind 1546 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:32.039 of run ending bad news. Brown defeated Camp Peterra. Dino 1547 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.159 Bravo defeated Don Morocco. When you think of those names, 1548 01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:39.000 Camp Peterra, Don Morocco, and Junkyard Dog, it's like they're 1549 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:42.039 not part of in my eyes, this golden era of 1550 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.039 the WWF. They're part of the rock and wrestling era 1551 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.680 of the WWF, and some people put those together, but 1552 01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:51.760 I don't. Russellia one to three are part of rock 1553 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:55.239 and wrestling. After three, to me, it becomes golden era. 1554 01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.079 And it's interesting to see these three wrestlers are gone, 1555 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:02.840 but yet they help build a foundation. But yet with wrestling. 1556 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:05.479 You noticed as well with wrestling, once you were out 1557 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:08.800 of the machine and you're not part of that machine anymore. 1558 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.840 The machine doesn't need you. It just spits you out 1559 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:13.159 when we're done with you. It's sad to see that 1560 01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:16.760 happened to wrestlers like this. Kept Peterra, you know, going 1561 01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:19.760 to jail for two years. Vince though, paying his wife 1562 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.840 and his kid money for those two years, but he 1563 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:24.119 was in jail, giving him a second chance, and he 1564 01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:26.520 came back like there's a lot of good things that 1565 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:29.159 happened with these wrestlers, but this is the end fall 1566 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.600 three of them. And did you have any relationships with 1567 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.399 these guys? I know you just came in, but they're out. 1568 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.560 No, not really, you know, And it was kind of 1569 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:40.920 like that they were on their way out when I 1570 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:43.520 was basically getting established there. 1571 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:45.399 But I did work with them a. 1572 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.039 Few times, you know, Don Morocco, and I remember, you know, 1573 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:52.439 Ken Peterra. But you're you're right when you mentioned that 1574 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:58.920 rock and Wrestling, which was very necessary and very beneficial 1575 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:07.079 to the WWE then, but it was definitely an end 1576 01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:09.359 to it. And then, like you said, we started the 1577 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:15.960 Golden era where you know, MTV wasn't going to really 1578 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:20.319 help anymore, but it was a great way to kick 1579 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.000 things off and get people's attention because I remember living 1580 01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:25.600 in New York City at the time working for Major 1581 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:30.439 League Baseball productions, and even I becoming very aware of 1582 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.439 what was happening with the WWE WWF and you know, 1583 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.920 the Cyndi Lauper and the MTV connection, and it was 1584 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:39.840 like a big deal. 1585 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:45.680 Everybody was hearing about it. So a very necessary part 1586 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:51.000 for an a brilliant marketing strategy and get and connecting 1587 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:53.239 to that and drawing in a lot of young people 1588 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:59.439 and just exposing them to it. And I think even 1589 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:02.239 vinced that it wasn't going to last. And so. 1590 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.760 You know, you knew that that was going to at 1591 01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:12.640 some point come to an end, and Vin said plans 1592 01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:16.479 beyond it and was already putting that in works. But 1593 01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:18.399 there were some that just weren't going to be able 1594 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:21.680 to go along for the ride. And the guys you 1595 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.960 mentioned we were part of that, as you said, kind 1596 01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:28.159 of that rock and wrestling, and. 1597 01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.039 Yeah, it's it's sad to see that happened to wrestles, 1598 01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:32.760 but again happens with sports. 1599 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:34.920 Yeah, but there was you know, but it was also 1600 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:36.319 there was other things going on. 1601 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:41.039 Well yeah, it's not like. 1602 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:39.640 The like that. 1603 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:43.840 Yeah, they might have survived if other things weren't going on. 1604 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:46.920 Of course. The first match above the evening is the 1605 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:51.720 British Bulldogs versus the Fabulous Rougeos. This match happened before 1606 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:55.680 the infamous fight between Jacques and Dynamite Kid backstage, but 1607 01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:58.560 they're clearly his tension because the rumor is neither team 1608 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:00.479 wants to loose to each other. So we have a 1609 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:03.239 time limit draw and if you watch this This probably 1610 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.000 is the best matchup of the night. It was incredible. 1611 01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:08.760 It was great to see him wrestled. But the fabulous 1612 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:12.760 rouge os and their little baby American flags is just 1613 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:16.199 one of the greatest things ever because we're all American boys, 1614 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.960 do you Why is your American flag so damn small? 1615 01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.720 But is that an indication that wrestlers don't respect each 1616 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.760 other by saying like I'm not going to lose to you, Well, 1617 01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:28.720 I'm not going to lose to you either, Like, how 1618 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.319 is it really up to wrestlers to choose who loses 1619 01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:32.039 and who wins? 1620 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:38.399 Well, it isn't when it comes right down to it. 1621 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:44.000 So it's a balance. I think you're trying to keep 1622 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:50.199 everybody happy, and then it's one of those things. Maybe 1623 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:52.560 you want to keep this storyline going and make people 1624 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:53.960 are going to go on and go see these people 1625 01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:54.680 at a house show. 1626 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:57.520 So sure. 1627 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:04.079 There can be this tension between tag teams or or 1628 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:06.279 they don't like the storyline where they're going, or they 1629 01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:08.880 think that it's going to hurt their image or something, 1630 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:10.520 and they're like, come on, look. 1631 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:11.760 Look at it. How about this? 1632 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:14.359 You know what if we have this you know where 1633 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:17.319 there's really no conclusion and then we can start the 1634 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:21.840 storyline between them. So it bottom line like if they 1635 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.399 want like, no, you're doing the job. You gotta you're 1636 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:26.079 going down to this, what do you think they're going 1637 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.399 to do, They're going to either have to walk or 1638 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:31.840 you know, so it's a it's a balance because what 1639 01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:35.840 is their value to the company. And then we can't 1640 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:38.239 be seen giving into these guys every time and then 1641 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:40.720 everybody else is going to want to do that they 1642 01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:44.520 don't like the storyline, so you got to be you know, 1643 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:48.720 very careful where you tread. But as we would see 1644 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:53.239 that this would become a very real issue between these 1645 01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:56.760 two tag teams. They would not did not like each other. 1646 01:35:57.640 --> 01:35:58.960 And as we know. 1647 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:03.319 Whole British Bulldogs podcast it's up on the Primetime with 1648 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:07.600 Sean Mooney YouTube channel right now and people are really 1649 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:09.399 enjoying it. You know, we're bringing back a lot of 1650 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:11.800 memories from the past and they're loving to hear you 1651 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:16.640 share your amazing insights on you know, British Bulldogs the Rockers, 1652 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.920 so check that out as well. Of course, Instagram is 1653 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:23.119 live and well, Facebook, TikTok everything, all the socials, all 1654 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:25.359 the socials are back in a live and people are 1655 01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:28.600 loving Sean Mooney interacting online, so thank you for that. 1656 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:30.840 And later on we will read some questions that were 1657 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.880 sent in on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube on the Primetime 1658 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:37.439 with Sean Mooney channels, because people will have some questions 1659 01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:40.000 for you about this event, so we will toss them 1660 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.479 out later on in the evening. So we appreciate that 1661 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:46.720 for interacting with us. But Frenchie Martin, I love him 1662 01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:49.520 so much because he has a sign here that says Usa, 1663 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:55.199 not Okay. It's a giant sign. His giant rugos so small, 1664 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:58.760 so small. We have Bolsheviks loving Russia. We have Fablius 1665 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:02.079 Rujo's pretending the love of we got USI and not okay. 1666 01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.000 Man hating America is just a just a pride and 1667 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.399 true gimmick. We have Demolition to Tag Team Champions. They're 1668 01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.279 heels taking a Heart Foundation. Who are baby Faces? They 1669 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:15.359 recently fired Jimmy Hart after they found out in the 1670 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:19.880 contract that Jimmy was taking a large portion of their winnings. 1671 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:24.000 How dare you Jimmy? Dirty? Jimmy so bretton Inval turned 1672 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:28.279 baby face by firing him. But in this matchup, Jimmy 1673 01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.039 runs down with a Megaphone hands it to Axe ax 1674 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:33.760 hits Brett in the back of the head demolition pick 1675 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:35.439 up the win here. It's funny. In two years from 1676 01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:38.920 now they'll have a Summer Slam nineteen ninety rematch and 1677 01:37:39.079 --> 01:37:42.279 it's probably the best matchup of that evening. So it's 1678 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:44.560 just strange. Do you think it's like when you have 1679 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:48.760 the Heart Foundation going from heels to babyfaces. It's so 1680 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.199 easy at this time. All you have to do is go, hey, 1681 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:53.920 my evil manager, well I don't like him anymore, and 1682 01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:55.840 all the fans go, all right, well then we. 1683 01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:58.800 Like you too, yeah, you know. 1684 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:04.560 And I always thought my feeling was always that the 1685 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:07.319 Heart Foundation were baby faces. I don't know, you know, 1686 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.439 even with Jim knightheart being you know, the kind of 1687 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:16.039 you know, crazy with them. But I always thought that 1688 01:38:16.079 --> 01:38:20.960 they'd make better baby faces. And I think it was 1689 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:25.000 always very difficult for people to, you know, accept Brett 1690 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:25.680 being a heel. 1691 01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:29.840 You know, Brett is that Brett. Everything about him. 1692 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:35.159 He's kind of like that, you know, that big brother, friend, 1693 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:38.239 protector kind of guy, even though you know he's not 1694 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:44.399 he's not fun and you know, fun loving and and 1695 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.680 jovial or you know, joking or something like that. But 1696 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:51.319 he's always a very serious guy that you'd love to 1697 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:55.600 have in your corner. So, you know, could he play 1698 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:59.119 a bad guy, sure, but he was just this guy 1699 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:03.239 that he felt like he thinks that he knows the 1700 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:07.000 difference between right and wrong, and that's the side he's 1701 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:10.520 always going to be on. So you know, you don't 1702 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.000 have to like it or not, but that's just me. 1703 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:21.279 So I to me, that always translated to a popular babyface. 1704 01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:28.479 So I wasn't you know, the turn because Jimmy's embezzling from. 1705 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:31.760 Okay, damn you, Jimmy well. 1706 01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:34.880 And it was kind of like people just needed an excuse, like, oh, okay, 1707 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:36.479 that's why they're going to be good guys now. 1708 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:39.840 You know, they would have been fine if Jimmy wasn't 1709 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:42.960 stealing money from them. They were upset about that part. 1710 01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:45.760 So they're like, no, we're out, We're we're done with you. 1711 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:49.199 Right and and and the thing is with in Demolition, 1712 01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:54.359 and Barry Darzel talks about this too, that you know, 1713 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:58.640 they would do stuff that was underhanded, but sounds like 1714 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:04.119 they didn't have to, you know, they they just they 1715 01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:06.319 got away with it, and they were really good at it. 1716 01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:08.920 You know, like he never caught them doing it. That's 1717 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:13.359 what he would say, you know, like that, So no 1718 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:17.399 matter what, it always seemed legit. They you couldn't blame 1719 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:21.600 the ref because they were so you know, it could 1720 01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:25.640 be so dastardly and so conniving to do it. So 1721 01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:31.840 you know that that Uh, the old megaphone. 1722 01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:37.239 How many times was that used? But it worked right? 1723 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:41.359 So many so many megaphones, so many megaphones. Also, the 1724 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.279 Big Bossman in the feed of kokooby Ware, I think 1725 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:45.880 kokooby Ware might have the worst pay per view record 1726 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.600 in the w WFS history. I don't think he ever 1727 01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:51.039 won a match on pay per review. But so Big 1728 01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:54.760 Bossman just came in and he dominates, And you know, 1729 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:57.520 that's pretty much what happened at SummerSlam. Except a fun 1730 01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.720 note that the theme song for this event actually turns 1731 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:05.000 out to be later purpose as the Royal Rumble theme 1732 01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:08.600 song from nineteen one through nine twenty four, so the 1733 01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:11.920 song just changes a little bit, which is a fun fact. Again, 1734 01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.640 on a Friday night, if you have trivia about SummerSlam, 1735 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:17.640 that's your that's your trivia fact. But we have questions. 1736 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.279 Moster Mooney from the fans on Instagram, on Twitter, and 1737 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:25.039 Facebook about this event for you. Are you ready, sir? 1738 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:28.680 Yeah, you should mention them before you start firing away 1739 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:32.840 on those. Give credit to Jim Johnston, who we could 1740 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.000 do a whole show on. 1741 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:38.680 We should. I've interviewed him several times and. 1742 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:44.279 Did a actual forum that we did at star Cast 1743 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:45.199 a few years ago. 1744 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:47.840 Fascinating guy, and. 1745 01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:51.720 You have a credit he's do you have a copy? 1746 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:56.279 Yeah, it's it's it was up. I know that you 1747 01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:59.199 o'conrad has it and wow. 1748 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:01.720 I know. Yeah it was a great with you and 1749 01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:02.359 Jim on. 1750 01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:05.560 The part, and yeah you can also on Prime Time 1751 01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:09.159 Sean Mooney. But you know, like a fascinating guy, I mean, 1752 01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:16.000 just a talented musician and composer. And imagine that, you know, 1753 01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:19.880 he he could go between all these different genres, you know, 1754 01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.720 with different kinds of music depending on who the character. 1755 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:25.039 Imagine how tough that would be because most people that 1756 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.640 are composers, whoever, they have a you know, a certain 1757 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:31.199 mindset or style of music that they're very good at. 1758 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:34.319 And Jim could do, you know, he could whatever it was, you. 1759 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:42.000 Know, heavy metal, you know, grandiose, fun and uplifting, whatever 1760 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.319 it was, whatever was called for it. He could sit 1761 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:48.600 there and make that stuff come up, and so he 1762 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.520 certainly deserves an awful lot of credit for changing how 1763 01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:58.359 wrestlers were welcome to the ring just by a few 1764 01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:01.319 notes as we know that were. 1765 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:03.920 In professional history. 1766 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:09.159 So Jim Johnson really and a great guy, but deserves 1767 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:11.680 a lot of credit for what he did for making 1768 01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:15.840 the WWE sound like what it did back then and 1769 01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:19.720 and helping it become what it what it did at 1770 01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:20.119 the time. 1771 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:24.199 Yeah, people still in today's world complain about entrance music 1772 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.600 and the w because when someone comes out, they're like, 1773 01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:28.880 who and then they see them, Oh, it's that person. 1774 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.880 There's only a few recognizable entrance musics now in today's world. 1775 01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:35.920 When in the Jim Johnson era, one note boom, oh 1776 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:37.720 I know who that is? Yes, I know that is 1777 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:40.000 you know they They used to sell CDs and cassettes 1778 01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:43.000 and albums based off of these people's entrance music, so 1779 01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:47.439 we recognized who they were immediately. In today's world, even 1780 01:43:47.479 --> 01:43:50.760 I as a wrestling fan, I'm like, I watch everything 1781 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.039 and who's that? Oh okay, and then I know who 1782 01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.199 it is because I see them, not I hear the 1783 01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:56.119 music and go, oh, I. 1784 01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:58.439 Know that is so and you know who else deserves 1785 01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:01.560 credit for some of that music too, was the Mouth 1786 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:05.159 of the South, all righty, and we talked about today 1787 01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:10.520 all American boys. That was Jimmy. And you know, we 1788 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.520 don't like rock and roll. We'd rather listen to Barry 1789 01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:16.640 Man I low h just look at the lyrics of 1790 01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:21.720 that sometimes. But that's another story. But Jimmy, Jimmy really 1791 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:26.039 was a very talented songwriter too. So anyway, that's another 1792 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.039 We should do a whole episode just on music. 1793 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:33.479 I know we'll get su pretty quick playing it. But 1794 01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:37.159 let's get to those questions so the fans can find out. 1795 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:40.840 Where are we From Twitter? This is from Andrew Haino 1796 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:43.800 with Macha Man Randy Savage in the top spot. How 1797 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:47.680 good was his friendship working with Hulk Coogan around this time? 1798 01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:56.359 Yeah, well, you know, I think that there was a 1799 01:44:56.399 --> 01:45:00.199 lot of respect. I think that's pretty much. You could 1800 01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:04.840 say that was a big part of it. They were, 1801 01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:06.319 you know, at one time, I. 1802 01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:11.199 Think, very good friends, and uh. 1803 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:15.560 You know, the circumstances of the business and and and Elizabeth. 1804 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:19.680 Not that it was because Randy thought that there was 1805 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:24.239 some affair or something going on, but Randy felt let 1806 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:29.399 down later on when when they started to break apart, 1807 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:35.079 and she was good friends with Linda Hulk, Hogan's wife 1808 01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:39.600 at the time, and uh, I think Randy felt that, 1809 01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:45.279 you know, they were closer or better friends, that Hulk 1810 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.640 should have brought more information to him. 1811 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:51.279 Go through I'm trying. 1812 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:55.159 To let me tell you about husband and wives. Your 1813 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:57.079 on team wife don't. 1814 01:45:57.119 --> 01:46:05.640 Yeah, yeah, but it's also rows and especially in this business. Yeah, 1815 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:11.399 So that's what that relationship was, you know, at one 1816 01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:15.399 point really good and then it really was fractured. And uh, 1817 01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:18.640 I don't think they'd ever recovered. I think that they did, 1818 01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:23.760 you know, reach some kind of you know, friendship again, 1819 01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:27.520 but it was it was never the same that that 1820 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:32.199 whole storyline, you know, as we said, how long it 1821 01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:34.079 went on and everything, But there was a lot of 1822 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:37.840 reality to it as well. There was things that you know, 1823 01:46:38.039 --> 01:46:40.680 changed emotionally for both of them through. 1824 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.560 It, and uh that's that's kind of the way it was. 1825 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:49.880 I don't think that they were ever best friends to 1826 01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:53.600 any stretch of the imagination, but they were close and 1827 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:56.880 and I think they both realized what they both brought 1828 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.359 to the business and and doing business together was was 1829 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:01.279 made them. 1830 01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.000 A lot of money. 1831 01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:08.000 So yeah, but as far as you know, being buds 1832 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.399 and everything like that, I don't think it ever really 1833 01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:12.520 came to that, I think, but I do believe that 1834 01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:14.640 there was always a lot of respect for what they 1835 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:15.680 both accomplished. 1836 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:21.680 They weren't in friendship and said from TJ L six 1837 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:25.800 six sixty six, what are your thoughts on Superstibular Graham 1838 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:30.159 being here on commentary? He felt out of place for me. Interesting, 1839 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:33.600 I also felt that way too, what about you. 1840 01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:37.840 Yeah, Well, as we talked about at the top of 1841 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:42.479 this discussion that you know, it was a time when 1842 01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:45.720 they were still forming that broadcast team, which I think 1843 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:49.520 became one of the best ever when you had Jessein 1844 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:55.479 and Vincent and then Bobby and Bobby Heenan and Gorilla 1845 01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:58.640 and then you know, Gene and I. You know, I 1846 01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:02.239 had the great fortune to have been a part of 1847 01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:05.920 that too, but as a collective there, you know, just 1848 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:06.520 all that. 1849 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:08.119 I really do think. 1850 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:13.720 It became one of the best announced teams ever in 1851 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:17.800 professional wrestling. But this was before all this was happening, 1852 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:21.239 and Vince is still trying to find those pieces and 1853 01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:24.960 Superstar Billy Graham. You know, Vince was very loyal to him, 1854 01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:30.199 that you know, a superstar had worked for him and 1855 01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:35.560 been loyal through those early years there when the transition 1856 01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:40.119 was going on, and so Vince felt that loyalty to 1857 01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:40.880 him and took. 1858 01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:41.920 Care of a superstar. 1859 01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:46.359 And you know, as I said, they were trying to 1860 01:48:46.399 --> 01:48:50.880 find who was going to fit with who. Billy Graham 1861 01:48:50.920 --> 01:48:53.359 had done a lot of he'd done commentary before, but 1862 01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:55.920 as I said, it was kind of this old school approach. 1863 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:59.239 It wasn't where that Vince wanted to go with it. 1864 01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:03.560 Vince wanted more of that kind of you know, network 1865 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:10.439 sports team, and he liked the the you know, that 1866 01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:13.640 banter between the two and how they would mix together, 1867 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:20.279 and uh, you know, Superstar just wasn't that wasn't it, 1868 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:24.760 and being dropped in there, and him and Gorilla had 1869 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:28.000 not worked together a lot, so that's that's always tough too. 1870 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.239 But I think it was pretty clear that that wasn't 1871 01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:33.279 going to be a regular. 1872 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:39.079 Thing from Rick Alcia, since the WWF was running monthly 1873 01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:42.399 house shows at MSG during this time. Was Summer Slim 1874 01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:44.920 eighty eight looked at as just another show or was 1875 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.239 there an awareness that this was going to be a 1876 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:47.800 big event. 1877 01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:51.079 Oh, it was absolute awareness that it was going to 1878 01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:51.279 be a. 1879 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:55.039 Big event, you know if you lived in the area 1880 01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:58.880 and you were used to seeing you know, every month 1881 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.640 us coming down there. Uh and they and we did 1882 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:04.279 great crowds there. I mean I remember that we there 1883 01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:07.640 was always a you know, a pretty good house. But 1884 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:12.239 you have to remember we spent how many months building 1885 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:17.359 this up, So even people in the area knew it 1886 01:50:17.399 --> 01:50:20.239 was a big deal. People that would go to the 1887 01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:23.359 shows every month knew it was a big deal. The 1888 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:26.920 cards that would go there monthly were part of the tour, 1889 01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:29.159 so you would get you know a few of the 1890 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:32.960 big names there, but it wasn't a packed card like 1891 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:37.039 you did for we'd see at SummerSlam. So absolutely people 1892 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:39.439 knew this was a big deal no matter where you were. 1893 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:42.920 But as far as across the country, and you know, 1894 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:48.800 you know, everything was New York City and country, it 1895 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:52.680 was a big apple. It was the mecca. So no 1896 01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:55.840 question everybody, Yeah, no matter where you were, if you 1897 01:50:55.880 --> 01:50:57.800 were in New York City with not just another house 1898 01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:01.560 show for the boys. In a way, it it was because 1899 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.479 as we talked about, they're coming off a loop of 1900 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:09.359 just their the Dragon, you know, but when they show 1901 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:12.319 up there that that day it's got to be like, 1902 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:15.319 I haven't worked for six months and I can't wait 1903 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:18.319 to get into that ring. Right. No, I'm in tip 1904 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:22.039 top ring shape, but I'm well rested and ready to go. 1905 01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:23.279 Let's have a good one. 1906 01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:27.039 Yeah, there was none of the yeah no, no, they 1907 01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:31.560 were exhausted from Bruce Helly Hewison. I'm so sorry I 1908 01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:34.560 bought your name, Hey, Sean. SummerSlam eighty eight is my 1909 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:37.960 all time favorite event over here in New Zealand. Wow, 1910 01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:41.439 New Zealand. It was the first big annual show we 1911 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.560 really heard about. We didn't get it on live TV, 1912 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:47.880 on pay per view, it wasn't available, but they love 1913 01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:50.479 this and they got it from their local video store. 1914 01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:55.199 What's something you remember from backstage at SummerSlam eighty eight 1915 01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:59.760 that never made TV or would instantly surprised fans? Now, 1916 01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.439 that is a good question. Is there something going on 1917 01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:05.319 backstage of this event that you remember that you're like, man, 1918 01:52:06.159 --> 01:52:08.039 I can't believe that wasn't on TV or I can't 1919 01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:08.880 believe this is happening. 1920 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:14.520 Well, first of all, I addressed that that that's that's 1921 01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:19.239 really cool that you know that he brings up that 1922 01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:21.960 you know all the way on the other side, of 1923 01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:25.760 the world down on that as they say that it's 1924 01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:29.319 getting the world's attention, uh, and saying that, you know, 1925 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:32.520 like we're talking eighty eight now and and it really 1926 01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:34.039 is becoming you know. 1927 01:52:34.039 --> 01:52:36.199 We always used to say, what the world is watching? 1928 01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:40.760 Well they were now they were they were watching the 1929 01:52:40.920 --> 01:52:45.000 WWF uh And so you know. 1930 01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:48.680 That's that's very clear. As far as. 1931 01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:54.119 Something happening backstage. The only thing I really do remember 1932 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:58.760 is that when we do when we do these interviews, 1933 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.640 it was you know, because I would did, like you said, 1934 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:03.880 the post interviews, you know. 1935 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:09.279 Jesse about him and stealing money and Warrior backstage about yeah, the. 1936 01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:12.720 Warrior in particular, because as I said, we we could, 1937 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.920 we had to do those live because you you didn't know, 1938 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:18.159 you know, like you were the face paint and everything 1939 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:18.600 like that. 1940 01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:25.039 So that was what what what. 1941 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:29.720 Stood out to me is I remember, like, after that match, 1942 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:34.359 how long it took for him to come back and 1943 01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:36.119 do the to get to me. 1944 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:37.840 And I don't remember. 1945 01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:40.319 I was like thinking like where is he because you know, 1946 01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:42.039 you think like it after the match and I don't 1947 01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:42.640 remember how. 1948 01:53:43.079 --> 01:53:45.920 But but for me, that's what that's what stood out 1949 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:46.840 to me, that that. 1950 01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:51.000 The span of time and maybe it was just because 1951 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:53.880 I was in a time worp, I don't know, but 1952 01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.880 I kept thinking, like, it's not that far from where 1953 01:53:57.880 --> 01:53:58.199 I am. 1954 01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:00.800 He just ran the ring run about here. 1955 01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:03.560 Yeah yeah, and and uh. 1956 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:09.800 That there was no discussion of what he was going 1957 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:11.479 to you know, most of the other guys would I 1958 01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:12.279 would have a. 1959 01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:17.439 Clue, okay, but Jim was in his own. 1960 01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:19.439 World as far as that would and and probably even 1961 01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:21.359 if he wouldn't have told would have told me, I wouldn't. 1962 01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:23.760 I wouldn't have been able to prepare for It was 1963 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:26.439 just gotta, you know, there we go. 1964 01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.840 We're gonna talk about skeletons and sacrifice. 1965 01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:32.840 Yeah, yeah, okay with that right. 1966 01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:37.720 Yeah, So that's that's what stood out to me that 1967 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:41.760 But like, and I was used to where I would 1968 01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:44.079 have some idea where they're going, but with him, it 1969 01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:46.359 was never it was just and and that was my 1970 01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:49.199 first real exposure to what that was going to be 1971 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:50.399 like because. 1972 01:54:52.399 --> 01:54:55.319 That never changed. It never changed. There was no reason 1973 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:57.520 to have discussions about, Okay, where are we going with this? 1974 01:54:57.640 --> 01:54:59.359 It was just said, okay, going then when you're not. 1975 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:03.439 A now, yeah, I can't imagine, like, oh, so you know, 1976 01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:05.520 what are we gonna do today, like you just just 1977 01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:09.479 hold on, all right, That's fine. I forgot to mention 1978 01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:14.439 earlier too, was Alton Warrior on the pre tape because 1979 01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:17.600 they had Superstars and Wrestling Challenges tape two weeks before 1980 01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:20.640 Summer Slam that would air after Summer Slam, So Warrior 1981 01:55:20.680 --> 01:55:24.239 actually has the Intercondinal title on these loops of Superstars 1982 01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:28.000 and Wrestling Challenges on those. So if your kid going 1983 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:29.279 to the event, you're like, wait a minute, why is 1984 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:31.479 he had the IC title. It's because he wins it 1985 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.840 two weeks later on TV and then a later on 1986 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:37.079 because they're obviously pre tape, So I just wanted to 1987 01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:39.039 throw it out there. I totally forgot about that, and I. 1988 01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:42.319 Think what they would do with those, they'd have to 1989 01:55:43.079 --> 01:55:43.720 find a way. 1990 01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:46.000 To give it back to the guy at the end. 1991 01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:50.760 Yeah, yeah, and some disqualification or something like that, so. 1992 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.880 You didn't actually win earlier. Folks, come back next time 1993 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:58.560 and buy the tickets. That's so funny. From from Instagram, though, 1994 01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.279 this guy just wants to tell you he loves the poster. 1995 01:56:01.720 --> 01:56:05.239 Readster twenty twenty five. That poster from Summer Slim eighty 1996 01:56:05.279 --> 01:56:08.000 eight is everything I love about wrestling in that era 1997 01:56:08.079 --> 01:56:11.159 and everything that is missing from it now. Yeah, the 1998 01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:16.319 poster with a yet Liz on her hands on Savage 1999 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:20.880 and Hogan holding Yeah, there's yeah, it's Virgil and Andre 2000 01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:23.760 and it's it's pretty uh, it's pretty nice. From a 2001 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:27.239 from Greenberg though, How loud and insane was the pot 2002 01:56:27.279 --> 01:56:29.840 for Warriors music when it hit because you were there? 2003 01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:32.520 Can you hear the sounds deep inside the arena? 2004 01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:33.520 Oh yeah? 2005 01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:37.000 And that now, you know that didn't matter where you 2006 01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:40.199 were when you started hearing that dunt You know that 2007 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:44.720 it was immediate. It was like what you mentioned when 2008 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:48.439 you know a few notes, that was certainly one of them. 2009 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.279 You know, we always know the undertaken with the Dome, 2010 01:56:51.760 --> 01:56:55.840 you know, but Warrior, it was that beat that dun 2011 01:56:55.920 --> 01:57:01.159 Dun dun d and people would just erupt and Madison 2012 01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:05.520 Square Garden with and I think it holds. 2013 01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:09.119 With twenty thousand but a little more problem and that 2014 01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:09.720 place is. 2015 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:14.279 Packed, it's it feels like one hundred thousand, and they 2016 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:18.800 know that noise in there. And the only pop that 2017 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:23.479 was maybe bigger was when Honky Tonk went down, and 2018 01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:27.279 that was you know, that was I remember that distinctly 2019 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:33.159 that you know that place just blew up because they 2020 01:57:33.159 --> 01:57:35.600 weren't expecting that. They thought they're going to get something out, 2021 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:38.600 you know, like the honkey I means the Intercottinental champion 2022 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:40.800 had been an Intercottinental champion for a long time. He 2023 01:57:40.840 --> 01:57:45.000 always found a way, and the Warrior was just you know, 2024 01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:47.680 this tidle wave that just went in there and. 2025 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:51.199 Just destroying him in seconds. 2026 01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:55.760 And so yeah, there was two giant pops that day 2027 01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:57.800 in there for that involved the Warrior. 2028 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:00.479 Well again, thank you guys so much for your questions 2029 01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:03.520 from Instagram and Facebook. Really appreciate keep them coming. Yeah, 2030 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.439 I really appreciate because from now on, you know, if 2031 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:08.199 you don't know spoiler, we have a lot of episodes 2032 01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:11.359 in the can and so those will be coming esporadically, 2033 01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:14.119 but also new content is coming out connected to those. 2034 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:17.520 We also have of course backstories with Chris Chambers. So 2035 01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:20.560 there's a lot happening here on Primetime with Sean Mooney. 2036 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:25.079 We'll have exclusive audio shows, exclusive video shows, lots of 2037 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:27.960 fun things on Instagram, TikTok and Facebook. So we really 2038 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:30.640 appreciate you being involved here on Primetime with Sean Mooney, 2039 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:34.439 especially SummerSlam eighty eight. Your first Summer Slam, your first 2040 01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:36.840 pay per review. So before we wrap this up, any 2041 01:58:36.840 --> 01:58:40.119 more thoughts about Summer Slam. 2042 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:41.119 Well, it. 2043 01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.159 It was great to talk about because it was kind 2044 01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:49.119 of a pivotal point with the company that here we're 2045 01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:50.520 you know, established the Big. 2046 01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:52.239 Four and. 2047 01:58:54.279 --> 01:58:55.880 It was I don't think there was ever a question 2048 01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:58.800 that once did started putting that stuff in the motion 2049 01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:01.640 that this was going to be part of it, and 2050 01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:04.359 uh and and for many years to come. 2051 01:59:04.399 --> 01:59:06.640 There you know, I was kind of spressed. 2052 01:59:06.760 --> 01:59:08.520 I thought, Okay, when there're gonna add another one, I 2053 01:59:08.680 --> 01:59:10.960 I that's what I thought, maybe be every two months. 2054 01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:13.560 But but no. 2055 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:17.479 But but this was a pivotal time, as we talked 2056 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:21.479 about during this whole discussion of where you know, things 2057 01:59:21.479 --> 01:59:24.560 were changing and every one of these pay per view events, 2058 01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:26.520 every one of these big events that we were doing, 2059 01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:30.640 we were learning and and uh and finding ways to improve. 2060 01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:33.840 And as we saw, you know, the green screens got better, 2061 01:59:33.880 --> 01:59:38.399 the bad the backgrounds got better, the way they shot 2062 01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:42.640 the matches, what we did backstage was changing, you know, 2063 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:48.079 bigger and better, involving the audience. So it was all 2064 01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:52.199 part of the evolution of what the w WE was becoming. 2065 01:59:52.239 --> 01:59:52.760 And this was. 2066 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:56.840 This was a great example of that of of that 2067 01:59:57.039 --> 01:59:58.119 evolution as. 2068 01:59:57.960 --> 01:59:58.800 Things for changing. 2069 01:59:59.319 --> 02:00:02.199 Yep, and next time we well, maybe we'll review this 2070 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:05.640 in five years and we'll wear our it'sy bitsy teeny 2071 02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:09.680 weenie yellow pokadapakinis. But anyways, I'm not going to maybe 2072 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.239 he will. I'm seeing while he sham MOONI have a 2073 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:15.720 wonderful day, and we'll see you next time. Bye bye. 2074 02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:21.479 It's a cold indige, I'll tell you, he tongue. Go 2075 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:26.119 to the light, the fantasy snap in the Rafiel history, 2076 02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:29.880 down to the cold and tell me to buy